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00:00 Oh, he's cool. He's awesome. He's awesome. He's Tony Stark. Adam Curry. John C. DeVora. And Sunday, September 29, 2013. Time for your Get Monation Media Assassination episode 552. This is no agenda. common contaminants like GMO polluters that can plague many other forms of podcasting. From the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the drone star state, Austin Tejas, in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And with all the long-windedness from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning! We're kind of drawing those out now, like, W.A.N. Bishy, Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Uh-oh, what is this?

00:50 That what? This is a new instrument. Yes, I have. I bought myself, although I'm not recommending this to anyone. Yeah. A Japanese device called an Otamatone. Wait a minute, is that one of those like, it looks like a pipe kind of thing? It's an electronic device? It looks like a giant note. Otamatone. I think so. Didn't someone... O-T-A-M-A-T-O-N-E. Yeah, somebody recommended it. Yeah, yeah, someone recommended it and you actually went out and got one? Yep, I got one here it is. They're not cheap. No, I thought it was overpriced to be honest It looks like it's a hundred and twenty seven bucks. Is that? Okay, and how is the family dealing with this new purchase they love it Yeah, because they don't live there right now Okay, all right. All right

01:49 You send out an interesting... 35 bucks is still too expensive. That's still too expensive. Yes, indeed. So you sent out a... I could have bought another harmonica. What? Well, you sent out an interesting newsletter, quite shocking actually. Shocking? I found it to be shocking that you had opted out of, I think not one but two beauty pageants to watch C-SPAN. There was two? Wait a minute, which... wasn't there... there was Miss World, was there another one? No, no, Miss World's coming up. I'll try to catch that. No, no, no, Miss World is done. No, that's Miss Universe. No, Miss World. No, Miss Universe. No, Miss Wor... listen to this. Miss Philippines has been crowned Miss World on the Indonesian island of Bali. Oh, right, right, right. It was Miss World. Miss Universe is coming. Yeah, who's the expert?

02:39 You are. Yeah, and by the way, Miss Philippines, she's American. Yeah, scam. It's a total scam. I thought the Panama girl was the best, but you know. Oh man, but did you see, have you seen pictures of this Miss Filipino girl? Yeah, she's very pretty. She's like Angelina Jolie. She's got, you know. I know, she's got actress written on her. Yeah, exactly. Actress, that's what we call it. Actress. Hey-o. Yeah, hey-o. Alright, so um there was I mean I'm just filled to the gills today with all kinds of stuff and I kind of tried to stay away from

03:16 Although I watched it obviously and of course just in case I pulled a couple of clips from the the big Bogative hearing with our buddies. I got a couple of clips from this thing. I just want to tell everyone what I did so that you know that that's coming up later on in the show. I of course am all over the IPCC report, the working group number five. As you can expect from your No Agenda show we've actually read some of it and have some some comment on it. I'm sure you do. That's what you do best. Right. You know, if I hit this bottle and knock it on the floor again, it's gonna be... irksome. Have a... never mind.

03:57 Just cramped in here. It's terrible so I listened to the hearings Explain what hearing this is this is all part of the continuing snow. This was a no no this was the specific C-SPAN 3 Mm-hmm intelligence committee hearings right which it, but that's that's what I call part of the snow job It's definitely part of the Snowden job. Yeah, it's no job. Yeah, I So I got a couple of interesting, I actually have quite a few clips, I got way too many. But set it up just so people understand what this was. Yeah they had Clapper and then they had Director of National Intelligence, the liar, Clapper the liar. And Alexander, he's already that light before Congress. Alexander. Kaiser. Kaiser Alexander. And our buddy Cole.

04:43 Oh! The deputy FBI guy who stands in for a holder who refuses to do these things. Because he knows enough not to answer questions. Right. So Feinstein begins the thing with a bunch of apologetic crap. and also brings in a couple of interesting, what I think this thing is really about is to actually give the NSA more power. Well that's what it appears to be, that what she's proposing would actually give the NSA more power. Yeah, well she's worried about the hole. Apparently there's a donut hole in the law that allows supposedly these people, they're collecting all the data but apparently the one thing they actually follow the rules on is if you're a foreign national who's being tracked

05:32 Yeah, they can't track you in America. As soon as you get to here, they said to stop tracking. Right. Now this makes zero sense, but they're bitching about it. Both Feinstein and Alexander complains about this. And by the way, I'm totally convinced even though I listened, re-listened on the clips and it's not so apparent, but when you watched Alexander, I'm absolutely convinced he was in the can. He was in the bag. He was... What do you mean? Stoned? Stoned? Well, from alcohol. And they also started the meeting a half hour early for some unknown reason. So I think he came right out of lunch. Do you think that's his drug of choice? Or do you think he drinks and maybe he does a line of coke just to wake up? Kind of like... He has no characteristics of a coke user. Well, I wouldn't know how to tell. I'm not skilled at that. He doesn't go to his nose. He doesn't do a million things. He doesn't talk a certain way. He's not a fast talker, that's for sure. No.

06:23 So let's just get the Romer thing out of the way. Here's Feinstein on Romers. Donut hole! Gap! If the government learns that an authorized non-United States person, target of Section 702 collection, enters and remains in the United States, the NSA must cease collection on that target. These are known as roaming incidents. Of course this collection is stopped just as the individual may be of the greatest concern. So we have drafted a provision in law to provide a limited period of seven days under which surveillance may continue while the government goes to FISA court to seek a traditional

07:19 individual probable cause warrant to continue the collection. The thing that really and I have one clip which I think you don't have we can play in a little bit but what really bothered me about Feinstein who is the she's the chairperson of the what do you call it the intelligence committee right, Senate Intelligence Committee. loser next door who is the republican guy and all they did was kiss the ass of the NSA the whole thing except for widening you doll well yeah I mean do you think Feinstein's got enough to hide sure he was also getting these deals or husbands buying post offices and all the rest of it. Exactly. It's a scam. She's the biggest scammer. Yeah. But here's the one here's the clip that I teased in the newsletter which I still think is funny

08:18 This is Feinstein on the mall and the Somalians. Now if you interpret this clip the way I interpret it, because she does nothing to change her statement, she is actually saying that the NSA can't do its job. One, I mean this is the subtext, she doesn't know what she's saying, but this is where you know the truth, that this is the real truth coming out. The subtext is, one, they didn't know anything about this mall thing in advance, even though apparently some people in Kenya did, because even my economic hit man mentioned that people were warned not to go that day. Yeah, exactly.

08:55 But apparently our intelligence agency didn't have anything to do with it. And she says that this could just as easily happen here in the United States, which means to me what she's saying right there is that you can play the clip to confirm this because she never backs off of this comment. She says it could happen here means that this agency is doing nothing to stop anything. And that NSA surveillance programs have prevented dozens of terrorist attacks against the United States and numerous other countries around the world. Just this past weekend, we were reminded that the terrorist threat remains. We watched in horror as a small group of determined gunmen mercilessly killed over 60 innocent men, women, and children at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya.

09:45 The death and destruction we saw at the mall could have been at a mall in the United States. We know that al-Shabaab, the terrorist group that has claimed credit for the attack, has successfully recruited young men from the United States to come to Somalia to train in their jihadist camps and the group formally merged with Al Qaeda in February of 2012. I'd like to say a few things about this. First of all, it's a sad state of affairs when no agenda intelligence is better than that of the NSA, the CIA, and the State Department. They got other things to do.

10:27 We were talking about Kenya three weeks ago. We were already telling you to be on the lookout for something. We didn't specifically know what was going to happen. But you've received it from your economic hit man. I've gotten it from my boots on the ground there in Kenya. There was a lot of warnings. But there's always consistent warnings about that specific mall. By the way, the fact that it's called Westgate Mall is just fantastic. That's why Feinstein is using this to scare people. What I find interesting is that, you know, there were 50 students apparently shot dead in their beds yesterday or overnight. But that's not any news. I guess because, I don't know, we can't relate to it or maybe it's not the right Al-Qaeda fraction. But this Al-Qaeda Inc. thing, which she alluded to, it's Al-Shabaab and it's

11:24 It's a subsidiary and they're all you know franchises and everyone seems to be on board with this You know al-qaeda is you know now? It's a small business. It's a bit. It's a small operation So I'd forgotten that one this yeah, it's a Soho operation, but you read like the Economist and And they're all on board with this. And then, you know, big news over the weekend. Al-Qaeda has opened its first official Twitter account. Are you kidding me? I mean, seriously. And actually, I have it here. What is the...

12:04 Hold on a second. It's not like Al-Qaeda Inc. You know, it's... Might as well be. Well, this is why you can't trust any of this stuff. But people believe it too. We also really only know that it was Al-Shabaab because they tweeted it. And I guess apparently you can't track anything that's done on Twitter. No, it's impossible. So here is... it is Shomokalislam. These guys, they need the Curry Dvorak consulting group. This is not a good Twitter handle, people. So here's from three hours ago. Your governments are responsible for everything that happens to you at the hands of the Mujahideen. Stop the black hate of your regimes. Ask your government why they are still robbing our lands, killing our childrens. Violate our women and discreet our legions. Desecrate, desecrat, I'm sorry, desecrat. Desecrat our legions.

13:01 So this is the uh, and by the way, only 2700 followers? Come on Al Qaeda, you can do better than that. Yeah, that stinks. You should at least buy some, you know, off of eBay. Yeah, go to eBay and pick up some bullcrap followers. Pick up some followers, man, this is not looking right. So this whole thing, it is such theater of the mind, um, and how Feininberg sits there. Just pontificates from her little like what the shambles is that the guy who's sitting next to her no no no the Saxby Saxby chamber with no chambers is the black guy or is it no no no no yeah, yes, yes, axe be shambles axe be shambles the worst yeah I mean here's a little clip from him if you want to hear just him. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it sacks be a clip oh

13:48 I don't have a set says Saxby clip. Let's see where it is. No. No, it doesn't say I got too many clips This is a real problem today. No, I want me to just remove a couple no I do have a point to make on this I know that's why I'm letting you go But well we could do Saxby later go ahead and roll it out cuz I okay Well, let's get let's do this one other thing from Feinstein which is Feinstein makes it worse Okay We know that Al-Shabaab has claimed that some of the attackers it sent to the mall in Nairobi were from the United States and other Western countries. Though the United States intelligence community has not confirmed this information. Wow, everyone knows they were from Wisconsin by now. No, no, Minnesota. Oh, Minnesota, I'm sorry. Yeah, well, where's the NSA?

14:40 How come they don't name names? How come they don't go arrest these people? Yeah, this is the thing that is interesting that it's never asked. They don't ask anything on this. This whole thing... Here's my favorite one. Now, I didn't put this clip in here because there was too many clips. We didn't need to play it again, but I'm going to remind people of the clip. This is a clip from, I don't know, six months ago. So when Clapper lied and when Holder came up and Holder wouldn't lie and the question was, and you remember it, Is it pot? Are they collecting information that can be used by the administration to blackmail legislative people and put them at edge? And he said, well, I can't say he wouldn't say what you know what, John, this is how good the show is. I just ask, could you assure to us that no phones inside the Capitol were monitored of members of Congress?

15:31 that would give a future executive branch, if they started pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage over the legislature? With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more than glad to come back in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues that you have raised. We can only pull these kinds of clips out because we have a staff here of hundreds. A staff of a hundred fingers. A hundred people. Okay, so that is now I'm claiming right now Marco Rubio has been compromised. You have Marco Rubio out of Florida. Now Florida is one of the

16:16 conduit points, in fact there's more Brazilians in Florida and if you go to Brazil nine times out of ten you're gonna fly through I think it's Miami. Yeah. And because they don't have flights, that's how you get there from now on. So everything goes through Miami and he's like the senator from this state. So you'd think that if he's given the opportunity, he's on this committee, to ask a question like, why were you spying on the Brazilian president? Why was, you know, just some interesting question of any sort. And he is like the, you know, he's supposedly this great libertarian Tea Party guy.

16:51 Now you play me this clip, this is Rubio's entire little thing, he only has, he just has a little lead and then a question and then he's done. Which is he, he was given five minutes, he uses two. You tell me that something's not up with this guy. Senator Rubio. Thank you and thank you gentlemen for being here today. This is uh... Doesn't he thank him for their service? That's sad. And on the other hand, I think we understand that people have these privacy expectations. Sometimes they're not privacy rights per se according to the court, but there are certainly expectations. And Americans are very uncomfortable with the notion that the government, if they wanted to, could see every phone call they made and everyone they called. I think all of this is further complicated by a general distrust of the federal government, which I think has been exacerbated, and by the fact that there is a history in this country of abusing intelligence information for political purposes, obviously not in recent times, but

18:05 But in the past so these are things that people are concerned about so now the question is you know how we balance all this and and you know on the one hand i understand the idea that the government could get your phone records anytime they want to see who you've been calling people would think that they could be targeted on the other hand as i've told people you know those some of the line of the making record regular calls to someone on wall street i guarantee you when his stockbroker in fact i bet you it was a stockbroker that was so these are the things that we would want to balance In light of that, I wanted to talk a little bit about the safeguards so maybe the American people have a better understanding of the things that are already there that protect them. So I've noticed in some of the information that's been made available that there's a significant amount of resources at the NSA that are devoted to safeguarding the privacy of Americans. Can you

18:59 General Alexander, can you discuss in more detail the size and the scope of the NSA safeguards to ensure that information about Americans are protected from from these sorts of things? And while you do that... Senator, thanks for that question because we do have extensive safeguards. Could you please spread your cheeks a little bit because I can't quite put my tongue in. I can't quite get it in. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Rubio is useless. Oh, that's great. And he's the great speaker. He was one of the aerodactyls, now he's stammering. So they've got something. Well, it's either that or he's been offered the deal. Well, he might have been offered the deal, but the way he's acting, he had a guilty look, he was like a kid kicking dirt. And he's looking down and he's stammering and he's getting this out, this question that's pre-done.

19:53 question that was obviously asked, you know, it was a set up, a softball question, it was useless, it meant nothing to anybody. He is compromised, he is done, this guy's over. He's got something going on. They busted him. Well let me tell you what I think is going on, and we didn't really talk about it too much, but we had this this FBI guy who has now been put away for 15 years, like three months because he compromised information about another fake underwear bomber in Yemen and then all the rest of the time is for kiddie porn on his computer. This is what's going on. I can tell you now, they've planted some kiddie porn on the guy's computer and it's like Marco Polo.

20:41 That's it. That's all they have then in fact. They only have to look at him and go Marco Polo And he knows what's going on. I think that's what they do this. This is the new narrative It's just we're gonna put kiddie porn on your computer. We've busted you because they busted that guy You know, months ago, before the- before the- actually funny enough it was like five days before they discovered that he had provided the leak to the Associated Press, they bust him for kiddie porn on his computer. Are you kidding me? Sorry to use the pun, but that's exactly- this is what they do! Yes, I didn't get the pun. Yeah, I didn't even intend it to be that way, but so I had a funny thing happen I was I was clipping one of the widen clip and some kiddie porn showed up on your computer Not you know thank God So anyway, so the widen I do you have to play this is the widen with the autoplay my computer cranked up an autoplay

21:35 And it got on the clip and I said, oh this is it was a funny coincidence. You'll get a kick out of it. Gentlemen, you talked in your opening statements about the damage that was done. Does he sound like Bill Gates by the way or what? He does sound a lot like Bill Gates with the bigger lisp. By the recent disclosures. I believe any government official who thought that the intrusive We're not quite sure who to believe anymore. Sources have told people that Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones are on the path to reconciliation after mixed reports for a while now. I mean, I know they don't want you doing the show, but this is going a little far. It's like, maybe we can trick him with some Catherine Zeta-Jones information. Maybe we can distract him from that.

22:21 Before you go on to Widen, I have two quick Feinstein clips which I don't think you have. Okay. So one, and this is the part where she's just grandstanding and she uses, I forget now was it, I think it's Cole, maybe it was the Kaiser, to basically tell the press to shut up! Do not under any circumstance call this a surveillance program. That's not what it is Ask one question and I'll ask it of you if I may mr. Cole Much of the press has called this a surveillance program. It is not

23:02 attention press it is not and what she's gonna use coal to explain why and the general belief out there is that everybody is surveilled they are not This is this is her. This is her her waterloo right here because this will go do we got a we got to keep this clip Oh, that's a keeper Yeah, this is this is this is fantastic and you'll listen to Cole and and Cole throughout this into his entire You know time it on the mic to check one two Is you know, he's he's he's got he's got his shit together. He's you know, he knows how to talk He's getting the words out. He starts to fumble so bad in his answer because he's lying and

23:45 The metadata collection of phone numbers has been described in that form that it's surveillance. Please describe exactly what is collected as metadata. This is for the press, you understand. Hello, journalists. You've been put on notice. You will not be a part of the Media Shield law if you continue to describe this as a surveillance program. You must stop and here's why. Uh, Madam Chairman, what is collected as metadata is quite limited. It's much like what you would see on a phone record. Ah, save it. It is the... Do you hear her go like, say it, just say it, just say it? She bobs in there for a second, just say it. And then he, cause he's, you know, he's not getting to the point. It is the number that a telephone calls, just the number.

24:35 It doesn't include the name of the person called. It doesn't include the location. You don't need to include the name. You can look it up on Google. You can put a phone number in the Google and you'll get somebody's name. It's not that big of a deal. Wait for him to stumble and fumble. It doesn't include any content. of that communication. It doesn't include financial information or anything like that. By the way, I'm listening for more and more of these linguistic tricks they're trying to pull. What he's doing is describing the metadata. It doesn't mean that they don't have the other stuff. Well, he's about to fumble over exactly that where he says

25:12 What you're going to hear him say, I'm paraphrasing, is, well, we have it, but we can't legally go searching for it. But he kind of like brings it around to say, like, you know, where he says we can't do it isn't like it's technically not possible, but legally it wouldn't be possible. You'll hear him fumble because he realizes he's getting tongue tied. It's just the number that was called, the date it was called and the length of the call. If you want any additional information beyond that, you would have to go and get other legal process. He's already realized in his head, he's like, oh, shit, I just kind of said that we kind of have all the information. Yeah, he shouldn't have gone that way. And now he's well, these guys are full of themselves. There's an instance during this hearing where Clapper was babbling on about something and Alexander decided to jump in like they're doing a pitch for a venture capitalist. Unbelievable. Yes.

26:08 to find that information and acquire it. And I think another important point is, while a great deal of metadata is collected, very little of it is actually looked at. It is only looked at and only can be looked at when there is the reasonable articulable suspicion... Okay, so this is where he fucks up. Reasonable articulable suspicion. He's like, why did I say it like that? For a specific phone number, to be queried in this database and then whatever that number calls can be looked at. Otherwise we do not and cannot just roam through this database looking for whatever connections we may think are interesting or in any way look at it beyond the restrictions in the court order. So essentially they roam through the database. That's exactly what they're doing.

27:02 We just roam through the database. If you worked there and you had access to one of these terminals, like apparently Snowden may have had or unless it was FedHAMP, our theory is that the CIA... Here's what you do. Select star from star export. That would work. To dot xls or whatever. Are you kidding this? Okay, I only have one more clip on this and then if you have a final point to make I want to hear this. This is, for me, this was the big revealing moment where Frankenstein reveals they are and but she doesn't she doesn't have all the words right because instead of saying backbone she says the internet background because she's a fucking moron sorry excuse pardon my language but but she means to say the internet backbone

27:51 And here she literally says Upstream collection, which is what we've been talking about on the show for almost since inception It's you know, we know of the building on Second Street in San Francisco. This is what the whistleblower this is silent wind This is a whatever the the project was called. This is where you the fiber optics are literally tapped off from you know AT&T and Level 3 and whoever else is a you know a big tier one provider and they're just sucking all up and collecting all the data. It's called upstream collection and she admits to it in this case because she's so dumb she doesn't understand that email is not bundled like it's some you know like it's a like a UPS package but she thinks it is

28:38 But really she's talking about the just swooping up all packets. I interrupt this just to respond in mid 2011 NSA notified the DOJ the DNI and the FISA court and House and Senate Intelligence Committees of a series of compliance incidents impacting a subset of NSA collection under Section 702 of FISA, known as Upstream Collection. upstream collection. I.e. the companies that own and operate the domestic telecommunication lines over which internet traffic flows. Before I continue, now you agree with me what she's talking about is full-on tapping of all packets.

29:44 Yes, that's what it sounds like to me and what's frightening about this is she doesn't even get it well She doesn't get it obviously internet background, but But she what's frightening was this was the comment that this comprises only 10% only What else are they collecting? In essence, the issue that arose in 2011 was that NSA, while trying to acquire emails to, from, or about an overseas target, realized it and was inadvertently acquiring other emails, including some emails sent between persons inside the United States that happened to be bundled with the email messages NSA was trying to collect. Was that with a piece of string? With some twine that it was bundled?

30:34 old old was it a zip archive what was it Diane this bundling is done by internet companies oh and other to make in order to make it easier to send information quickly over the telecom lines Where's Ted Stevens when we need him? Where's the series of tubes? Exactly. It's the telecom lines that make up the internet. By the way, this show is bundled to you right now with a whole bunch of other podcast to make it more efficient to get them to you that's why that's why AT&T bundles our podcast with Joe Rogan to make sure that you know it's easier to get it to you. Unfortunately NSA's technical systems could not easily separate the individual messages within these bundles. Anyone who has had any any experience with I don't know a computer

31:35 Knows that this woman is is really really full of it and the result was It collected some email messages. It did not intend to acquire Okay, we held a lengthy hearing on the court's ruling on October 20th 2011 at which general Alexander and Lisa Monaco then the assistant attorney general for national security described the court's ruling and what they were doing to address it. Here's my point. It was a mistake. Action was taken immediately to correct it. Oh, okay. That's all. That's really all that I had to, I just wanted, I just needed to point out. Yeah, it was, it was idiotic. Yeah, it was very, very sad. So, so I got, there's a couple, there's a, Wyden has a couple of, one question which

32:28 makes you wonder why he's asking this question. And Wyden is the guy who originally asked Clapper if they were tapping any citizens, citizens, citizens. Because he knew they were. Yes. And Clapper lied in front of Congress. So we have to... By the way, during this committee hearing, how many people would point up? I'm sorry? During this hearing or any of these hearings, does anyone ever bring this up to Clapper that he did this? No. You think maybe Marco Rubio would? So here's Whiten Grand standing and there are these two Whiten clips. One of them has got a very interesting piece of information in it that I think, I'm going to see if you can spot it. Shows that in America the truth always managed to come out.

33:13 Notwithstanding the extraordinary professionalism and patriotism of thousands of dedicated intelligence professionals, the leadership of your agencies built an intelligence collection system that repeatedly deceived the American people. Time and time again, the American people were told one thing about domestic surveillance in public forums while government agencies did something else in private.

33:51 Now these secret interpretations of the law and violations of the constitutional rights of Americans have become public. Your agencies face terrible consequences that were not planned for. There's been loss of trust in our intelligence apparatus here at home and with friendly foreign allies, and that trust is going to take time to rebuild. Now you're gonna have to tell me because I heard a lot in there. Okay, that one wasn't in there. Okay, all right. So it'll be in this clip. The next one which is on the this is the question he asks he can't get an answer and I two things come to mind when he does it by the way One thing comes to mind. Why is he asking this question? And why is he so adamant about it? Something is fishy about this question. I don't know what. We'll figure it out on this show, I'm sure, before anybody gets a clue. But in here he also drops a little bomb I didn't realize. Now with respect to questions, let me start with you, General Alexander, and as you all know... Did he say General Alexander?

34:49 No, it's a general... well he's got... he sounds like a mix between Bill Gates and Sylvester the Cat. I think he said General Alexander. Okay, play. Go ahead, what do you want to say? Well, I'm gonna say... just play and then see if you can identify that little thing. Now with respect to questions, let me start with you General Alexander and as you all know, it's my practice to notify you in advance so there won't be any surprises. Oh, this is like question time. So as you know, why don't you just say it? Page four, page, if you can go to page four, um, and this is a scene interior, uh, at the hearing and fade from black and cue.

35:30 Now, with respect to questions, let me start with you, General Alexander, and as you all know, it's my practice to notify you in advance so there won't be any surprises about the kinds of issues that I'm going to get into. And Director Alexander, Senator Udall, Senator Heinrich, and I, along with about two dozen other senators, have asked in the past whether the NSA has ever collected or made any plans to collect Americans cell site information in bulk. What would be your response to that? Senator, on July 25th, Director Clapper provided an unclassified written response to this question amongst others as well as a classified supplement with additional detail. Allow me to reaffirm what was stated in that unclassified response. Under Section 215,

36:23 NSA is not receiving cell site locational data and has no current plans to do so. As you know, I indicated to this committee on October 20th, 2011, that I would notify Congress of NSA's intent to obtain cell site location data prior to any such plans being put in place. As you may also be aware, I expressed... General, if I might just... I still have a few more because it does... I think we're all... Wait, wait, wait, but I haven't finished reading the script! Hey, hey man! I'm asking, has the NSC... Do you like Vista over XP?

37:08 Or ever made any plans to collect American cell site information. That was the question that we still respectfully general have not gotten an answer to could you give me an answer to that? We did we sent that in both by the way. He says we did yeah We got it allow me to continue as you're also aware. I expressly reaffirmed to this commit this commitment to the committee on June 25th 2013 yeah, oh Liars! Thank you.

38:07 Well, Madam Chairman, the word trust has come up a couple of times here and I think that's clearly something that we're having to deal with that makes it difficult to convince the American people that very significant measures have been taken to protect their privacy. What's disturbing to me is that despite the information that has been provided, declassified, made available to the public, directly available to the media, has not resulted in always accurate analysis and presentation by the media or understanding by the public. Maybe they just don't want to believe it. I was shocked one morning in listening to a major network program on one of the major networks

39:07 having discussed previously with General Alexander, General Clapper and others at NSA that that media outlet had been briefed, given relevant classified information to certain people who were in charge of this programming only to have in a discussion during that program the comment by the lead individual of, look, they're listening to everything we say. This was after a detailed discussion about the programs, what NSA does and what it doesn't do, what the Intelligence Committee does and doesn't do, knowing

39:55 that the leadership... Alright, and here we go. Alright, I'm ready for your question. Okay, so they say they had a classified discussion with broadcast executives and people from some show to set him straight. Now, can you, can I have a, if I have classified clearance, can I just give away classified information unless the other party has classified clearance? Can I just give it to anybody? So I have a bunch of classified information because I have clearance. I have it in my head and I go tell everybody. Can I do that legally? Let me ask. Hold on a second. When I was at, when we were at Uncle Don's house,

40:37 during the first Hot Pockets tour. We were there and one of my niece's, no, one of my niece's friends, and they all kind of live in this DC area, they were up visiting, she has clearance. And I was asking about how long they lived in Japan. And she's 17, and she looked at me and she said, I can't tell you because you don't have clearance. So that would be a no. So that would be a no. So that tells me one of two things. One, well that tells me one of three things. One, the first one, they're lying about the whole thing. Yes, possible. Two, they are illegally revealing classified information to the news media who they're never even supposed to talk to. We have plenty of clips that say that's true. Or, more interestingly, everybody has clearance. The news media is compromised. Oh, whoa, hold on a second.

41:37 the presses. So the news media in other words has clearance and it's a total conflict of interest because they're obviously being fed secret information that they can't reveal so they can't even do their jobs. I can't even find out why my niece's friend was in Japan. I'm kidding. So yeah, I mean, what's the big deal? And he's a kid. We were there three months. Classified. You gave away classified information. She said, you don't have clearance. I can't tell you. I'm sorry. You have to leave the room. I can answer the question. But that's so I think you're a third option is where it's at. And a lot of the news media is not only has the clearance, they are compromised 100%.

42:21 Hello. And so then the guy gets shocked. In fact, probably the people that were on the talk show because of the clearance issues never got the word. This guy's an idiot. This Coates guy. Yeah. And then, yeah, so one of these guys says, yeah, they're watching everything we do. You know, OK, they probably are. But it's beside the point. Anyway, that really bugged me to hear that one. So to wrap this up a little bit with just a couple of things that are taking place in the news as we speak. One in just in under three weeks I think October 18th the brand new movie the fifth estate premieres just in time for all of this this of course is the Movie I'm in a talk and it's a it's a Katzenberg Spielberg Dreamworks thing. So it's a real movie. This is the about Julian Assange

43:13 Called the Fifth Estate and so that'll be out October 18th, so that timing is perfect for all of this. They probably should have another big leak. Oh, wait a minute! Glenn Greenwald has now teamed up with Jeremy Schahel. Schahel? Schahel? with the Bertha Foundation funded Dirty Wars documentary slash movie and they say they are going to be working together and they will come out with a huge story about the US assassination program tying the National Security Agency's role into the US assassination program

43:50 So yeah, yeah, no, it's fantastic for our show. So that will be coming. And now the New York Times, interestingly, is yes, I saw this too. Now all of a sudden they're getting all kinds of inside dope from well, they have no point writing for him. Oh, gee, that's right. By James Risen and Laura Poitras. Oh, and Laura Poitras. And they they put this like rise is very much an intelligence community. So they had this little PowerPoint Page for a little snippet, which is unreadable and made I've tried to blow this thing up. I've tried to zoom in on it You can't actually see what it says. Have you been able to look at this this? No, I haven't really I saw it. It's the

44:33 Cns sy and Cns it think it'd be synapse, but it's not it's the sy an PSE data model the synapse no no no it's sy an PSE cyanapse Hey, man, and the PowerPoint is like these little like blue spider thingies on the side It's all very spooky and lots of diagrams, but it's It you know, if I brought this to a pitch meeting I'd be thrown out This is not this you can't this is not a diagram that makes any sense. You can't read it The only thing you can read is it's Lex hound tasking Txb Paki God knows what it is. But what the what the story of Laura Poitras who has been yeah, my guess now she's from she's gone from filmmaker to New York Times journalist and

45:29 She claims that the NSA has been gathering data on social connections of US citizens, which I don't find to be any big revelation. You can do that yourself on Facebook. Well yeah. What's the thing that Leo Show always promotes? I don't know what are they? It's like the new squares. It's the square space company. They have a new like data thing. Oh yeah. I pay full crumb for me. I don't know. I wrote them. Scrotum data. Well, come on. What's it called? It's like I don't know. I guess zone. I usually leave when I do the commercials. Yeah, no, but it's a service. And then you input your Twitter info, right? Google crap. Right. I think it's scrotum data.

46:16 I have two more clips I want to get out of the way so we can get on with this. Well I just wanted to mention one more thing. By no coincidence I'm sure, the Amsterdam Internet Exchange has decided they're going to put a direct line into the US East Coast exchanges, I guess to make it easier. For the NSA to tap. Yeah, so they used to buy transit the the AM six I guess they were buying transit and now they want to own their own lines between the Amsterdam Internet Exchange and I guess may East some all they would be Yeah, may East which is in Virginia by the way some all is that makes it easier you have to commute Some all some all scrotum data. That's what it is some some all I told you sound like scrotum some all scrotum

47:07 Alright. Okay, so Udall's the only other guy that I asked any questions and he does his thing by asking a blunt question, he gets kind of blunt answers and they're actually frightening. He essentially asks three questions. He says, do you have any upper limits on what you can collect? And the guy says, no, we're collecting everything we can. What? I mean, after all these denials, this question comes up at the very end of the whole thing, by the way. And then he says, is there any, you collected all kinds of stuff. He says, yeah, we, you have to, this is actually kind of astonishing what you get to hear here. General Alexander, if I might turn to you initially. The recently released documents that lay out the FISA court's interpretation of relevance in the context of Section 215 to mean that the government can collect the phone records of millions of Americans on a daily, ongoing basis. If I could, I'd like to ask you three

48:04 Quick yes or no questions. Under the FISA court's analysis, are there upper limits on the number of telephone records you can collect? Is it the goal of the NSA to collect the phone records of all Americans? And finally, do you believe that the court's analysis gives the NSA the authority to collect other kinds of bulk records? Can you stop? The answer is yes, yes and yes. It's astonishing. Yeah, don't you love it? Again, if you could give me a yes or no answer to those three questions, I would appreciate it. And I'm going to ask, because I'm not a lawyer, reading the opinion, I'll give you the answer, but I would ask the Deputy Attorney General to make sure that I say each of these exactly right. I thought you just said yes, yes, yes. If we could.

48:58 Sort of my now right how is exactly right? What does that get to do with anything by the way? It is a little creepy that the NSA and the FBI are essentially in bed together. This is just a Sweep the FBI has always wanted an edge on all this stuff because they can arrest people easier nobody brought up in the hearings whether how the IRS got all this data that they got to go bust people with and I mean none of this came up and this and this all this answer does is just confirm everything. You know this is why I'm opting out. No, I am no no, this is my new thing. I Adam Curry opt-out I opt out I do I no longer carry a cell phone I just don't now no I don't and people look at me like I have my iPod touch You know and it's by the way iOS 6 and it's the previous version So it's the pre Steve Jobs kicking the bucket version the iPod touch because after that, you know that you know, Tim Tim Collins What's his name Tim cook?

49:55 Tom Collins, you know that guy's letting the NSA in we know why because you know we have this document that in 2012 they jumped on board with the program so all I do is I walk around and I've only got a Wi-Fi thing it's off Until I need it, you know, and I have all these little Wi-Fi spots the hot spots I can connect to you know, can they can they trace me? Yeah, you know, can I do it? Is there a Mac address? Yeah sure, but I am opting out and people look at my wow. That's what kind of phone is that?

50:31 Yeah, it's a brand new one man. Wow wow and boy. Oh, I love this is iOS 8 it looks so good No, no, I'd see this is iOS 6. I did not an idiot like you I didn't didn't upgrade that shit all that all the spy shit in there, so I'm opting out I'm opting out of the airport. I'm opting out of cell phones. I'm opting out of new vehicles So did you see the story that? One of our listeners said where apparently the New York Police Department is going from person to person when they see someone with an iPhone handing them a flyer. Yes, a flyer. Upgrade. You have to upgrade. You have to upgrade to iOS 7 so all the...

51:10 And it's not because and here's what I was thinking at first as well. They want everyone to so they can use the fingerprint thing No, no, no, it's only the new phones that got the fingerprint thing. There's no reason to upgrade to iOS 7. No there is it's it's because it has the new Locking system. So you're essentially the phone is registered in this database Which the police have access to right and not only that but it has it has the new ELF transmission system that can talk to your brain and So you hear voices in your head. I haven't heard that one. Well, do you have an iOS 7 device? I don't. No, no. I opt out. That's all I'm saying. I'm serious about it, John. You opted out a long time ago. I know that. Well, I just don't like to do it for other reasons. So we had one of our producers send in this note about the one of our female listeners, as a matter of fact, sent in the note about the

52:03 about the New York thing and then sent a copy of a patent that Apple has, which I believe might be incorporated into iOS 7, but it's a coincidence. And the patent allows the phones to, it allows some communication from the cell towers to basically brick all the phones in an area for a limited period of time. So you got your Apple iPhone, which is typically what a protester would have, because they're all Apple users. I'm sure this is already in the Google phone, so that's why, you know, it's not... Google doesn't use... Android is probably already all in. Who knows about the Windows phones? So you're at one of these events in Wall Street... There's three people with Windows phones, no one cares. You protest with a Windows phone, the protesters will kill you.

52:50 So you have to occupy Wall Street and they want and you're being kettled like they would do in the UK. And then your phone turns off. And your phone turns off and you can't do anything. You can't communicate with anybody. You can't do anything. All the phones in the area get turned off. This is and this is a so this is why the New York Police Department, I totally believe this. Why else would they give a crap about wanting people to upgrade to iOS 7? I think it's the story. It's a known story by now, although not widely reported, of course, but public awareness notice. Yeah, this is about added security to your voice. I like the way they play the O. You give you added security. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I opt. I need a T shirt. I opt out. Just that's it. Frankie says I opt out. I'm just done. I'm done with all you. You don't have to play along with the game television. I opt out.

53:42 I'm not watching it except professionally. I watch the Spanish I got it, but I just hopped out We sat down for three of the new shows and he's like let's watch this Michael J Fox show I like Michael J. Fox. Oh, you made the mistake of not watching the McDonald's commercial that was one entire half hour, the Robin Williams show. No, I haven't seen that. No, it started off as, oh, they're going to lose McDonald's as a client. It was essentially a humorous version of Mad Men. Yeah. And the whole show was about how they're trying to get Kelly Clarkson to sing the McDonald's theme from the 70s and remind people how home

54:23 how good McDonald's is. The entire show was a McDonald's commercial. Oh, no, no, that's called native advertising. We know what this is. It's native advertising. It was a jaw-dropper. Native advertising. I can't believe the public didn't look at that and go, this is disgusting. Now, the public is brain dead, dude. Dude. All right, forget all that. I'd like to say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry. And also in the morning, all the ships and sea boots in the ground, feet in the air.

55:00 Sub committees at work subs in the water and the names and nights out there and in the morning to all of our human Resources there in the chat room no agenda stream calm. No agenda chat net good to have you here on this Sunday Also in the morning to all of our artists who help us out with our art here on the program Joshua pedigree He's been an executive producer before and he also was our artist for episode five five one no agenda art generator comm Thank you very much For that, Joshua, really appreciated that. We look forward to what everyone comes up with for today's show. We do have a few executive producers to thank and a lot of them came in today. It's really very pleasant, including Ryan Merritt with the 66666. But on top of the list is Timothy Dickman.

55:47 who came in with 124070 which makes him an instant night and his birthday so that's why you put it in here. With a note, this is a stretch on the most uninteresting number. Perhaps listeners would love to hear how you two met seeing as you run in different circles. We told the story. We met on Leo's show. No, no. Yes, yes. No, no, no. We met at CNET. Oh no, the first time we met I was intimidated by you. It was the The pilot, it was a weekend I think, a taping of pilots, the entire pilot for CNET, which before it was even a website, was supposed to be a television network. And you're right, but I think we only like said hi or whatever and I was like, God that guy's good, look at he's doing like a McLaughlin group thing and you know, I was like, he's kind of professional.

56:39 Now that I remember and I remember to you I said man that's a good-looking guy with a lot of hair look at that Hey, look at that. Look at that bulge Is that what you thought you were slick talker and I didn't hire you remember. No, no, no, no, I opted out And here's the funny thing They offered me, well of course I had to move to San Francisco and move away from MTV which I was doing at the time. They offered me like a million, 1.3 million options of CNET stock. And I was like, nah, nah, nah. I'm like, nah, nah, who needs that shit? I bet you I have the letter somewhere still. I bet you.

57:30 That's how stupid I was. I'm like, nah, fuck that. This'll be nothing. It was a long shot. 1.3 million options. This'll never turn out to be anything. No good. So yes, but then we met Matt. I think I Skyped in. I think this was before Leo was even doing video on Twitter, wasn't it? No, no, no, no. We had a... No, no. We met again after that. It was at Fringal actually. Right. We had a dinner, but that was only after we... Lunch. Lunch. But that was only after...

58:07 We met on Leo's show and after the show you said to me, I remember you said, Curry what's your deal? You know, you go like, yes, yes, yes. You said, what's your deal? Are you rich? Uh, you know, are you, that's what you said. Oh, that's because I was in Europe and I ran into a newspaper that had a big feature about you, about how rich you were. Are you rich? People seem to hate you. You said something like that and I'm like, oh, by the way, people seem to hate you, mouse man. No, not with such vitriol. Anyway, so that's how we met. So whatever the case, let's get on with the letter. All right, please. Boring everyone stiff. No, people love this. Or as I call them, orange stories. Also how John and Leo got to be friends. Leo and I worked... Oh yeah, that's boring. We don't care about that. It is. And why Adam never gets on Twit. I've been banned. This would take a whole show. I'm banned.

59:08 He's been reading John's DOS books since I was a teenager. Hey, get over him. Perhaps John should throw in a copy of his 949 e-book with my instant night donation. Okay, I'll do that. I have a longtime douchebag but could use some job and girl karma. Well, with your interest I can see why in the second part. If I could be referred to as the Green Knight. Oh, I think we can, yeah. I think that's available. Eric, it's clear. Feel free to make fun of my last name, Adam. He already did. Don't think John will have trouble pronouncing it. Or you can call me a hoser, eh?

59:46 Cheers from the great white north, home of Bob and Doug McKenzie. You guys are always the highlight of my week. Oh yeah, today's my birthday. A request is shut up at science and the Korean kung fu. He means Chinese. Yes. And he wants to karma. Okay, let's do it all in one go. Here we go. Shut up already. Science! You've been de-douched. You've got karma. Nice. Alright Timothy Dickman, we will be knighting you as the Green Knight coming up in a little bit.

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1:05:01 Wanton yeah, Camilla Camilla Hansen in skiing Norway 224 The Norwegians are coming through for us. Greetings, I'd like to make this donation on behalf of my boyfriend, Frederick Eng, or Eng, for this Sunday's show on the 29th. His birthday's Monday, turns 24. As part of his gift, we're both from Norway and he's a huge fan of the show. Please give him a birthday shout out and some karma points for his engineering studies if it's not too cheesy. Tell him I love him. Aww. You know what? We'll tell him and then you should show it tonight. If you know what we mean. Also I'd like the little girl shut up slave for myself to remind both him and myself it's his birthday. Also I should be in the kitchen cooking him dinner donations for 200 making him an executive social executive producer for his age. Hey hey Frederick this one's a keeper. This is a keeper dude.

1:05:56 Don't let this one slip through your fingers! So give them a... Shut up, shut up, he's on the list. So shut up, slave, karma. So we'll do that. You've got karma. And Camilla, send us a picture. We know what we're dealing with here. Meanwhile, we have a lot of birthdays today. Stephen Cogswell at 202.33. Eric actually grouped the birthdays by date. Yeah, it's nice. He must have gotten up early. It's nice. Steven Cogswell. There wasn't a lot of the spreadsheet wasn't a big one. So it was easy. 202. 33 New Brunswick, Canada. It's my birthday on Tuesday. I want to be an associate executive producer or whatever. Now I'm 45 and still a douchebag. Thanks for the show. You're no longer a douchebag. And finally, exactly. You want to deduce him quick so he doesn't go that way.

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1:09:50 Well, really big news, John. Big, big, big, big, big, big, big news. Okay. We have weathermen who are going to no longer fly, going to get vasectomies, no longer have children. What? That's right. Yes. Oh, you didn't hear about this, did you? It's all over the news. Yes, the weatherman, this famous weatherman, Wall Street Journal weatherman, when he read the IPCC report. Wait, wait, wait, wait, the Wall Street Journal has a weatherman? Eric Holthaus, who used to do weather for Wall Street Journal. So he read the IPCC report and decided to cut his balls off. No, first... What kind of, what is the messaging in that thing? First, well I'm gonna tell you, first he decided he was no longer going to fly, he's never going to fly again because of his horrible carbon footprint.

1:10:47 No, I'm not kidding you. This is big news. This is in like, you know, newspapers. Is this guy like, okay, what's his name? Eric Holthaus. H- Eric with a C. Holthaus. H-O-L-T-H-A-U-S. He also has tweeted that he's considering a vasectomy. And this is and this is by the way as a trend because we I know a lot of guys will go out of their way to get laid but this is like ridiculous trying to pick up some of these hippie chicks so he's well and one of the hippie chicks is Tinkle Bell who's a Dutch artist and she recently had a vasectomy Due to you know, none of these people want to continue to ruin the earth and this is this is on plan This is what it's supposed to be

1:11:33 just killing people by not having them killing off the population which i think is fantastic i don't want any more air cold houses on the earth now what's interesting about all this is that and the IPCC uh this is the uh the big uh climate gate guys whoops there we go take it away to the gate to the gate to the climate So they've come out with their fifth edition of the report, but wait, that's not entirely true! No, they came out with an executive summary for policy makers on Friday.

1:12:09 And all of the messaging, the report doesn't actually come out until next week, which is, John, if you and I had been advising them, we would have advised this. I have to say, brilliant, because all the messaging is out there without anyone able to dive into the 2,000 page report, which, by the way, I have been reading, because of course I got the final draft, I have it in my possession, it is almost impossible to comprehend. And I'm going to go through some of it with you just to help you understand why, why the, you know, the bigger the lie, the easier it is to fool everybody. You know, it's, it's incredible how this, this,

1:12:56 bucket of bullcrap is being translated into the messaging. Well, here's the really here's the IPCC itself. What can I interrupt you before? Yes, just a little bit because I just I hate to say this, but I opened up Eric Holdhouse's Twitter feed. No, please. Sorry. Oh, but I just want to ask the question. This could be an ask Adam. So if he makes a big deal in this Twitter feed about he's not flying anymore. Yes, I'm so if I if I'm scheduled to fly on a pack 767 from San Francisco to New York and I decide not to fly you are saving the earth my friend and someone else takes that seat and

1:13:41 So how much carbon am I really saving here? It depends. If you can hold your breath for the entire duration of the flight you would have been on, you're saving carbon. That could be okay. I'm just wondering what the deal is. It doesn't make any sense to me. These flights go on with or without him, so they burn fuel with or without him. Yes, but this is a start. We have to start somewhere, John. If we don't all participate, this is another thing. Bottom line, he says, we can all make a difference. I'm just one person. The world is such a beautiful place. I can't help but doing everything I can. I am opting out. Yeah, okay. Well, you're opting out is probably going to lower your carbon footprint. Here is the release of the IPCC report with El Dushbagios on stage giving you the talking points. This report confirms and you'll hear a lot more about it with even more certainty. Okay, now this is very interesting. Even more certainty. At no point anywhere in this report that I can find do they actually say fact.

1:14:40 In fact there's an entire scale which we'll get into in a minute. So you'll hear words like likely, very likely, virtually certain, very certain, even more certain, but never fact proof that's it. Then in the past it is extremely likely that changes in our climate system for the past half a century are due to human influence and it should serve as yet Another wake-up call that our activities today by the way By the way, that is with the line John Kerry used another wake-up call. So the talking points are propagating we live Impact on society not only for us but for many generations to to come

1:15:24 Multiple lines of evidence confirm that the X-ray being trapped by the greenhouse gases is indeed warming the Earth's atmosphere, the Earth's surface, the oceans, raising sea levels, melting ice caps, glaciers. But we are also changing, and this is of particular concern to my organization, a change in weather patterns and extreme events such as heat waves, droughts, floods. And that was highlighted in the recent WMO report on the global climate for the last decade, 2001 to 2010. This is very interesting. He says the WMO, which is the World Meteorological Organization, so that's actually who puts the IPCC together with support from the United Nations. So it's really a bunch of weathermen.

1:16:11 The Working Group 1 report provides new insight into the possible future occurrences of these events that we are now witnessing on a regular basis. Many of the extremes of the last decades were unprecedented and the report highlights which ones are likely to become even more frequent. The decade 2001-2010 was the warmest on record, continuing the trend of global warming. More temperature records were broken than in any other previous decade. Now this is all disputable and I don't want to get into this, but we have Dr. Easterbrook, we have all kinds of competing data on this, but we'll just let it go for now.

1:17:04 Of course, and that is discussed in great detail in the report, the rate of increase would have been even higher if it was not for the relative cooling influence of La Niña event and the role of deep ocean in absorbing the heat. This is kind of the fun thing about this report is that in the report there is an admission that yeah well yeah it's been kind of on pause recently like the past 15 years but that is just normal variance is how that is explained in the report but that doesn't matter because the key words are global carbon budget and services. The report reflects how much

1:17:44 Our scientific knowledge has advanced since the previous report six years ago. Ah, you see, our science and everything's advanced. So the stuff we got wrong on the last report, it's better now because we have better computers. This is knowledge that can be used, that should be used to produce actionable climate information and services to help society. And as many of you know, the United Nations system has embarked on a major initiative to develop climate services which will help decision makers in all sectors affected by climate change.

1:18:19 Climate services John you can you wait for it for the climate services is going to be Every social economic sector to have available information to make informed decision this is the development of a global framework for climate services and Certainly, it's something which will help decision-making Okay, so what he's talking about here these climate services is part of the global carbon budget and And what the IPCC report claims is that we have, there's a budget, there's an amount of carbon and that's CO2, life itself. That's what I'm exhaling right now while I'm talking to you. That can be spewed into the atmosphere, this dirty, nasty CO2, now only known as carbon. It's important, these are key things that are taking place here. And we have a 30-year budget. We've already used 10 of those 30 years, John.

1:19:17 So what are we going to do? Well this is new. Ah, ah, but let's, let's, let's analyze this. Let's analyze this. Let's say, okay, I've got to do it backwards. First, let's deal with the warming that isn't really warming, it's cooling. CBS makes a valiant effort to work on this problem as they talk about it. Another inconvenient truth has emerged on the way to the apocalypse. I love that opening by the way.

1:20:01 The global atmosphere hasn't been warming lately. Since 1998, while the amount of greenhouse gases continue to rise, the air temperature hasn't. However the apparent pause in global warming is explained, it makes the task for the world's majority of climate scientists who urge urgent action now more difficult. For the skeptics, it's it's ammunition. This has removed the sense of urgency. It has already. For Benny Pizer, who heads a climate policy think tank, the world doesn't need crippling cuts in fossil fuel use. Are you saying that the measures that are being proposed for the

1:20:40 Quite significant reduction in the production of greenhouse gases are unrealistic, unreachable, wrong. What do you say? They are unrealistic and unreachable. And whatever happens to the temperature, the climate change debate is about to heat up. Okay, so I thought that was interesting that CBS would actually help us a little bit by giving us some pieces of the truth. Now, the two documents have come out and again the full report, 2,000 pages, will not come out until sometime next week, which is a great way to mark it. We have the headline statements from the summary for policy makers and then we have the summary for policy makers itself. That's a 36-page document. Both of these documents have been annotated, highlighted, marked up, and you can find them in the show notes at 552.nashownotes.com.

1:21:29 Here is the and I could go through tons of what's in this document how they explain away the natural variance of the cooling Which you could all equally say natural variance of warming, but I guess it only works if it's cooling But most importantly is the scale to which the IPCC report is grading things that will happen according to well, what does it actually mean the working group is assessment considers new evidence of climate change based on this is what the report is based on many independent scientific analyses from observations of the climate system paleo climate archives theoretical studies of climate processes and simulations simulations using climate models

1:22:18 So this is pretty much based on climate models, on computer simulations, the same ones that were not able to predict this warming that we're in. In fact, we're in a cooling, which is kind of what John and I buy into. And, you know, there is... And example, of course, they couldn't predict and they relied on the commentary which you like to harp on which I think is wise that the British children will never see snow again! Only in snow globes and on television. The degree of certainty in key findings in this assessment is based on the author team's evaluations of underlying scientific understanding and is expressed as qualitative level of confidence from very low to very high. Now what this means to me, John, and correct me if I'm wrong, that this scientific report is assumptions and confidence

1:23:19 So it's not like here's proof. More like taking one of those telephone polls. Yeah. You like it very much? Do you like it a little? You're neutral? Do you like it a lot? Do you like it very much? So here are the... it goes from very low to very high and when possible probabilistically with a quantified likelihood from exceptionally unlikely to virtually certain. Confidence in the validity of a finding is based on the type, the amount, the quality and consistency of evidence. And then they talk about the degree of agreement. So this is the consensus of the scientists is measured in something they call the degree of agreement. And there's a footnote.

1:24:08 In this summary for policy makers, the following summary terms are used to describe the available evidence. Limited, medium or robust. And for the degree of agreement, low, medium or high. A level of confidence is expressed using five qualifiers. Very low, low, medium, high, very high. And typeset in italics, e.g., medium confidence. For a given evidence and agreement statement, different confidence levels can be assigned but increasing levels of evidence and degrees of agreement are correlated. So now they're going to break it down into numbers and this is where this 95% comes from. This is what I'm getting to. Unlikely is 0 to 33%.

1:24:54 Very likely very unlikely is like zero to ten percent, but when it is extremely likely It's 95 to 100 percent. So when you see or hear the headline the scientists in who? Scientists the meteorologists who have consensus on this report they are highly confident that it is very likely that That global warming is caused climate change is caused by man that 95% number is not actually in the report that is extrapolated from the quote extremely likely

1:25:34 So first of all when someone says 95% you know it's not in the report. The number 95% is not in the report. It is extremely likely is what they said. Not 95% of all scientists agree. No, extremely likely. But here is Connie Hedegaard, the European Commissioner for Climate and she's going to take this 95% to a whole new level. Planet Earth got its diagnosis by the scientific community and I would make this parallel. If you as a person got a diagnosis from doctors who said that with 95% certainty

1:26:10 you are having a very dangerous disease. Would you then do nothing? Or would you seek a cure? I think the message we have gotten from science today is it's more important than ever to seek the cure. And that's of course also why in the European Union we are now trying to define our targets for the next period, the period up to 2030. This woman should be tar and feathered and rolled in mud. How can you take what is in this report and say that? She's nuts. The planet got its doctor's- Got a disease and now we gotta get a cure.

1:26:48 Alright, so the report is marked up. There's just tons and tons of And it's not even the report. It's the it's the talking points. It's the for policymakers. They literally explain away This warming period into just some, you know normal variation it happens You know, we have better climate models now, please don't look over here. Look over there and Natural anthropogenic man-made substances and processes that alter the Earth's energy budget. This is a new one. The Earth's energy budget are drivers of climate change. So we have the energy budget, John, and the climate budget. This is all being put in there to bring it down to a dumb level. So you can look at your pocketbook and like, oh, I've got a $10 budget for today, so I kind of understand the concept of budget. Now while this is going on, this ludicrous

1:27:42 Stuff which and and you know, and and of course all these people are in on it when you get like this weatherman You know, I'm not gonna fly anymore. I'm not gonna have children great fine. I had dinner What was it? Was it Thursday night? No Friday night with Eric Groten And his wife now we've had dinner with them before and we kind of met them somewhere at some at some event here in Austin like almost like two years ago and They were kind of interesting people and they had an interesting story And so we had dinner once and you know, it didn't really but I remember this guy was doing I couldn't quite remember what he was doing but he was he's a he's a lawyer and he's a an environmental lawyer and

1:28:31 But not the kind you'd expect. In fact, he probably should not talk too much about what he does within the city limits of Austin. Because he is suing the EPA and we're very hopeful that his case will come before the Supreme Court. That announcement will come tomorrow or Tuesday. I have gotten such an education from him on what is really taking place behind the scenes while this report is going to be the headline the lawsuit is I see he's actually he was representing the

1:29:18 What was it the coalition for responsible regulation inc But they ran out of money. He said but he's just doing it on his own dime now because he thinks it's so important uh versus the uh versus the epa And it is a simple question and this is of course is all about the clean air act because what is taking place right now? Is the environmental protection agency is has? huge power by being able to regulate life itself carbon dioxide. So remember when we talked on Thursday about Bill Gates, we have to get carbon dioxide down to zero, that would basically mean that we're not exhaling, that we're all dead, right?

1:30:00 Yes, indeed So the Environmental Protection Agency is allowed to make laws to regulate You know sure it's cars then it's factories But eventually at what point does it come down to well Dvorak you are about 30 pounds overweight You know you're breathing too heavily Do you think that could happen, John? Or am I just off on that? Well, I think they're eventually going to. I would be stunned if at some point they didn't start charging you airfares based on your weight, which always made more sense to me. That makes a lot of sense. But whether they're going to start... I think I'm down on the list here when they start pulling that stunt.

1:30:39 So there was a very important case which was Massachusetts versus the EPA, I think in 2007, and which we missed totally of course, and in that case the EPA was ruled in their favor and the Supreme Court ruled that carbon dioxide is a poisonous gas deadly to human life, which is weird. But, you know, okay, so that happened, that is now the case, and you take the Clean Air Act, which was, well, it's from like 1963, but in 1970 it was reinvigorated, and it was Nixon, I think, who passed that, right? Well, it was 70, it was Nixon. Nixon was president, he signed it into law.

1:31:30 And section 202 of that is specifically about the amount of emissions that automobiles can have, which has without a doubt affected industry and economics in America due to what cars can emit, correct? Yeah, there was a lot of... the cars were basically polluters. Sure they were, but the question is, and this is the question presented that hopefully will come before the Supreme Court, and I'm quoting from the document here, whether the Clean Air Act and this court's decision in Massachusetts versus EPA prohibit the Environmental Protection Agency from considering whether regulations addressing greenhouse gases under section 202 of the Act would meaningfully mitigate the risks identified as the basis for their adoption. In other words, if the Environmental Protection Agency says

1:32:28 You can't, uh, Dvorak, you have to pay more because you're too heavy to fly and it's too much carbon you're using. Does the EPA have to be able to prove that it actually is going to help or damage life in general or the citizens based upon what the regulations they're putting out there? Well, that was a complex thing to try to figure out. But it's really interesting. Well, maybe. Explain it a little better. Okay. So in other words, what here I got it here is all I want to know. What happened in Massachusetts? In Massachusetts versus the EPA, it was determined that carbon dioxide is deadly. It's a poisonous gas. It is an evil, evil, evil gas.

1:33:17 And so the question is, does a department like the environmental... Let me ask this question. I'm getting it. Let me ask this question. I would say I wonder, especially about the attorney you're talking about. It seems to me that if he's taking this case on pro bono, it belies the common, I'd say perhaps misconception or commonplace, that the oil industry's behind all of this. Why doesn't the oil industry pony up his fees? Well it's funny because I said why doesn't the nuclear energy, the nuclear, why don't the nuclear guys own the industries? Either one. And he said no no no, they're all on board. They want carbon to be evil because they have no carbon emission. He says the nuclear guys, they love it when all the... Oh yeah, that makes sense. No, they love it. Not so much the oil guys. No, so I think he's just a bad sales guy.

1:34:13 I just think like that the whatever I'm sure it was a an oil company that was paying or some collection and I think there's nine other similar lawsuits but his seems to be the most concise and they ran out of money like I don't know six months ago or whatever so he just I just got to finish this but it I like what I like about it is is the question to try and simplify it can the government make a rule without knowing if it's actually going to have a positive effect Because that's what's happening. Sure they can. Well, really? Don't you have the laws that are passed? They put up a, you know, they put a, they have an accident prone corner so they put up a red light and put up some traffic signals. They don't know. No, no, no, but that's, no, no, no, no. I think it's different. If you have an accident prone corner then you've had accidents take place there.

1:35:08 We haven't actually died from global warming yet. The tidal wave hasn't actually hit us yet. I have not burned to a crisp yet. No, but Superstorm Sandy has ravaged the place. And Katrina has ravaged the place. No, the problem is there's evidence all around us. You're just blind to it. But even the report... Global warming is killing us. Here's the point. The report from the Meteorological Society, from the same guy who predicts the weather for you on television, think about that, they won't even say fact 100%.

1:35:47 They won't even say that. Very likely, extremely probable, pretty much lots of confidence. Come on! Will someone please just say that the emperor has no clothes? Well I think people have been trying to say that but nobody's... For some reason the agenda is such that that is not acceptable. Anyway... I'm not absolutely sure. I'm actually somewhat baffled by the way this debate has gone since its inception. I mean, well, it's because no one actually wants to stand up and say, yeah, totally. I'm all in. Where is that guy from the report that comes along and says I was the guy that said 100% certainly sure James Hansen, who's that? James Hansen is the guy who invented this whole thing.

1:36:34 James Hansen, why do I not, why does this name not ring no bells? It should be ringing a bell because we talk to him every, or talk to him, we talk about him every so often. He's the NASA guy who dreamed up the entire global warming thing. He's the one with the first evidence. He is the, he's patient zero. Yeah, that's a fact. And he's the guy who does do what you just said. He has said this. He's the one, he's the chicken little. He's the one who's really gotten everybody all worked up. And he's been very effective at it. Well why isn't he out there right now? I don't see him on the TV. He's got the thing going on. He doesn't need to do anything. He's got, in fact I have a clip about him. Oh good. He's now, where's my clip list? Where's the clip list? Here it is.

1:37:26 See what is the sketchy letter to Ecuador. This is where James Hansen's ended up. He's now become a big shot and he's hanging out with these other You replay this clip, you'll see what I'm talking about. Well, environmentalists Vandana Shiva, Naomi Klein, the scientist James Hansen and others recently wrote an open letter to President Correa asking him to not forsake the initiative. The letter read in part, quote, Along with thousands of other world citizens, we look to the ISUNI-ITT initiative as a pioneering step in the international struggle for a post fossil fuel civilization.

1:38:05 We have been inspired by the determination of the Ecuadorian public to rejuvenate the initiative following your government's recent decision to abandon it. Accordingly, we're extremely concerned at reports that your government is attempting to repress the voices of the majority of Ecuadorians who continue to support the SUNY proposal. We understand that efforts are underway to block a public referendum on the question. That press freedom is being curtailed and that students exercising their right of dissent are being threatened with expulsion from their schools. That's what the letter to President Correa read. I asked Ecuador's Foreign Minister, Ricardo Patino, to respond to the letter.

1:38:46 So Hanson has moved on to these other things. He's now hanging out with Naomi Klein. Big shot, big shot. And so now they're making a statement because Ecuador's decided, and this is kind of on topic, Ecuador's decided that look, it turns out we've got a bunch of oil under a couple of our state parks, essentially, and we're going to drill it out because we have it set up so we have a national oil company that will give the money put the money back into the public coffers. They haven't quite sold out completely to the economic hit men although they're gonna this is gonna happen eventually but this is kind of a step in the right direction for the economic hit men but whatever the case is Ecuador and the answer was look we've got this oil

1:39:31 We're a poor country, we need the money. That's it. There's no more to it. We're not going to put up with this. We made the offer, this is a part of an offer that Ecuador said to the world, we won't drill into this little park of ours, which is an Amazonian park with 100,000 species of life and lots of plants. We won't do it if you guys give us the money we would have been making. And they got nothing. Nobody gave them a nickel. They got like $2 million out of the $5 billion they needed. So they said screw you. Did that run through the Clinton Foundation? Is that how that set up? Maybe. So they said screw it, we're going to drill and we're going to take the money and run. And we're not going to wreck the park. It's going to be all angled stuff and hopefully none of it will splurt out.

1:40:17 which of course there always does happen but maybe not I mean there's plenty of clean wells around the world it's not like there's millions of wells and not that many are spewing out goo whatever the case is so Hanson, Naomi Klein and a bunch of other do-gooders are trying to tell people how to run their lives and it's like they said no we're not gonna do it and so what's her name? Amy goes down to Ecuador and meets or meets the guy in New York at the UN and the guy just says no it's we we made the offer and nobody ponied up what are we supposed to do right well so this is this this is the old strategy the new strategy is the earth is sick

1:40:57 If you were sick, would you do something about it? The new strategy is the budget. The budget, we have our carbon budget. This is to dumb it down so stupid slaves and human resources can understand you have a budget. You're one third through the budget. How old are you? You're 20, so by the time you're 60, you're gonna be dead. And your kids will be 20 and dead. So this is the budget you have, and what we need to do is we need to price carbon. And once the pricing, we already know, what was the IMF, where they set it at? Like 27 bucks per ton? Yeah, or something. Yeah, something like that. Something where someone can make money. And in fact... Let's don't get over this fact that it was cap and trade is all part of the scam to create an exchange so Elgort can make money on transaction fees. This is bull crap. It's so obvious because it's a money scam. It's a money grab.

1:41:55 If you look at the Independent who analyzed the report, their headline I liked, the financial markets are the only hope in the race to stop global warming. Yeah, that's exactly the point. This is a great article by the way. The financial markets are humanity's only hope in the battle against global warming. The world's top climate expert declared. That's Pachauri. Yeah, he's probably in on one of these scams. We know he's in on the scam. We've already seen his other companies and all that other crap.

1:42:31 So, the no agenda thesis, I'll speak on behalf of John, he can interrupt me if he so wishes. Climate change, definitely happening. Global warming, clearly not happening. Global cooling, clearly happening. Been warned about since the 70s. This is to kill people. Everyone will be ready for, ooh, it's gonna be so hot, we're gonna get air conditioners and fur, all kinds of, you will get Speedos and Crocs. When you really need heaters, fur coats and you need to be ready for the global cooling so the end result will be exactly what is is desired is the calling of stupid people let's read another tweet from from Eric Holt house yes please and not wait a minute we should be like here's another tweet from Eric Holt house

1:43:28 Things scientists are less sure of than climate change. One, cigarettes kill. Two, vitamins are healthy. And three, the age of the universe. Those are three things that scientists are less sure of than climate change. Another tweet from Eric Holdhouse. Yeah, so be prepared for the onslaught. The onslaught. of how you are denying science, how you are stupid. I wonder, what do you think, John? Do you think they can pull it off this time? Because I think this is kind of the last shot they have at this. They don't have a lot of time left because things are starting to turn around because of the, you know, whatever's the sun or I mean they've negated any possibility, although the sun has been

1:44:20 changing the weather on a 22-year pattern forever. That's actually, it's actually in the report they say part of the reason why it hasn't been warming up as much is because of the 11-year solar cycle. Right. Like yeah, the Sun is kind of the thing that keeps the Earth warm or not. It's just nuts. And of course there will be even more initiative by the way and push to call people out as deniers this will be a This is getting a little old so yeah, I don't know I mean you know I I'm gonna have a dinner pretty soon, and I'm gonna be sitting there. I'm gonna say look I

1:45:05 I'm well, I'm actually I'm gonna ask the professor. I'm gonna say when you have a report. Do you always? report stuff like Likely kinda maybe you should yeah, very likely high confidence or do you say fact? Let me read another tweet From Eric Holdhouse? Yes. Oh, very nice. Hold on a second. Another tweet from Eric Holdhouse. One long-haul flight equals switching from a Camry to a Prius. One long-haul flight equals eating vegan for a year. Oh wow! Another tweet from Eric Holdhouse. Really? How does he calculate that? Ah, he's got computers. Oh, okay.

1:45:56 I was so I am two things one if Eric's case comes before the Supreme Court He'll let me carry his briefcase. Oh, you're gonna go to no. Oh, yeah. He says like he's I can come along You can come along carry the briefcase and watch all these people yak how awesome would that be? I'd be very awesome. Love to be would be in court number one awesome. Yeah to be in the Supreme Court. That's pretty cool as an associate and one of the Justices gonna say hey Adam Curry from MTV Oh yeah, that would be pretty bad. And you know it would be Ginsberg. Kiki Ginsberg. That's her nickname. While I was researching some stuff, I fell into something interesting.

1:46:45 You know because we have all these I kind of got to it as like we have all these you know light bulbs and you know this new Yeah, you know the energy saving carbon to save the earth sickness expensive light bulbs that how long does how long does a light bulb last? What are these new fangled things? How long are they supposed to last what the else LED not the LEDs? No the the ones that we were all forced to buy all those fluorescent things. I'll tell you something. I think they're a scam Now, besides... Okay, yeah? I'll tell you why. They do blow out before they're supposed to. They get dim. They have to be warmed up a certain way when you first get them, even though supposedly the new ones don't need that. My experience is they all need it. And if you light one of them up, especially when they're older, you can see it. You can actually look at it. And then about a half an hour later, it's really bright. Have you ever heard of the Livermore light bulb?

1:47:41 The Livermore light bulb is that oh, that's it. Yes, the Livermore light bulb is I believe one of Thomas Edison's light bulbs from the 1800s or the early 1900s that has been burning forever at a firehouse in Livermore. Yes, Livermore, California. The bulb has been burning for I think 110 years nonstop. And and and if you research the Livermore light bulb and how is how is it possible you will quickly? Discover the Phoebus cartel phoebus the Phoebus cartel and these were the it was like Phillips and Osram and You know all the light bulb companies got together and said here's an idea Why don't we make it so that light bulbs will never last longer than 3,000 hours?

1:48:37 And then they had another meeting and they said, crap, let's make it a thousand hours because the 3000 hours is too long. And they built in what is now, of course, used very successfully. And I'm not against this, by the way, for a number of reasons, planned obsolescence. And light bulbs can live, you can engineer a light bulb that will work for a hundred years. Yes you can. In fact I have bulbs that have lasted forever and they were always specialty bulbs. They cost a lot of money but they last and last and last. Now with the LEDs coming out, we do have the opportunity to actually end this whole planned obsolescence thing because an LED will use less energy at some point, they're still at the crossover point right now, less energy than any fluorescent bulb and last for 25 years. And they give a nice light. The problem of course is that this, the idea of planned obsolescence, I think actually runs a lot of our economy.

1:49:37 You know, this is why iPhones fall apart. This is why cars fall apart. They're intended. Well, here's the deal. The problem with the light bulb planned obsolescence in today's world is now the incandescent bulbs, even though they're trying to ban, they really can't do it. But you can get them for 25 cents, so it's not like it's going to do that much. You know, you exchange a few bulbs. But you take a $500 or $600 product like an iPhone and the thing lasts one year, Jaycee's, for example, those little on-off buttons doesn't work. Oh yeah, oh yeah. The home button breaks. The home button just doesn't work.

1:50:14 And the iPhone users, they buy a new phone every year or two, probably about once every two years. And this is a big ticket item and they sell them by the millions. I think the idea is sound, but it doesn't work with a light bulb anymore. So they're bailing on the light bulb because it's just a two-bit item. And they're making you buy expensive LEDs, which are not cheap. And then they just gave up on that market and we moved on to some more. Well, that was a hundred year old idea. You know, we've got to move on to something else. But what's interesting is I and there's a movie called the light bulb conspiracy. I'll put it in the show notes. You can actually it's like a like an hour long documentary and they talk about this. But I think this plan that which there was a guy at one point at the turn of the century

1:51:00 Who wanted to present this as the I'd actually was the the recession the depression the Great Depression in order to get America out his idea was essentially planned obsolescence, which I think we have slipped into More not because the government has pushed it on us or on manufacturing but because manufacturing is figured out hey or you know, it's easy to trick these stupid slaves and into buying stuff by making television and advertising in general, making it look really sexy and you don't want to be the loser. Right, the television thing is completely in this endeavor. By bullying people in, you're essentially being bullied into it. Yeah, especially with phones. Yeah, but... You have what? If that went away, if we made products that lasted forever, you would have to kill off half the population because we wouldn't have this continuous workforce making new crap.

1:51:55 Well, what's interesting to me is that solid state stuff, I always thought when it first started to appear, that it was going to, because the olden days when I was a little kid they used to, television sets were tubes. My dad would take the tubes out, put them in a bag and go to some tube testing place. It was a series of tubes. It was a whole bunch of tubes. And you take them, put them in a bag, go to a tube testing place. Oh, one of the tubes was no good. You had to buy a tube. And there was, you know, and it just happened on a couple month basis because you're watching these TVs all the time. Yeah, you blew a tube.

1:52:30 you get tubes, you get new tubes. So you get these tubes. So then solid state came around and the solid state had no filaments. It wasn't going to blow up like a tube and you'd think things are going to last. But now it's turns out that very few things last for more and it's always about the same. And here's the story I have. So my M-audio device blew up after about five years of use. The one I was using. I have a new one now. And it was about five... it blew up while I was doing a DHL quiz show. Now when you say blew up, was this like an actual explosion? Was there a flash? A bang and smoke? It just stopped working. Okay, so it just stopped working. Right. So I had this situation with Comcast, which we discussed in the last show. And so I ended up, and I don't know why I didn't do this years ago, which is buy your own modem and you save five bucks or seven bucks a month in the fees they charge you.

1:53:20 So I got myself a nice Motorola. Wait a minute. Are you on the Comcast connection today? No, no, we're gonna test that after the show. I was gonna say Dynamite. Okay, good real. No, this is DSL, but we will test it after the show. So so I got a new DOCSIS modem DOCSIS 3 modem for Motorola and I put it online because the tech guy who came over says I don't know why you're leasing this modem. You should be you should go. No, no, he said first he said And I read all your DOS books. So he because we asked what I did I stole my writer go whoa did you say I do a podcast I'm a podcaster He said that the heiress modems that the typical ones that you get from Comcast are

1:54:13 they go out every five years. Right on cue. Yeah, the first thing I thought to myself was that's exactly what happened with my M-Audio device. And I actually think I've gone through two of them until I changed the model number, which is a five-year process. So this, even though it's a longer period than a few, you know, than a year or so, like a light bulb, why are these things blowing up at all? Yeah, there's no reason for them to blow up. They're low power. Solid state, they run off of USB power, they got nothing going on, it's not like high voltage, and they're blowing up every five years? Why? Planned obsolescence. Apparently. In fact, this show will self-destruct. Well, Wilk, we don't thank some producers. Ah, yes, exactly. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. On No Agenda!

1:55:10 You have some producers to thank Lincoln Millwood to I'm sorry he was one of our executive producers Timo's Weedema Zydema Zydema Zydema in Amstel van I'm still saying they feign Try it all put it all together still feign. Yes, and who what's his name Timo? Zydema Zydema very good Zydema in Amstel vein Holland 10101 He wanted to we have now for a birthday shout out for his wife. Yep anniversary Trent Drake uh... hundred dollars in the suit biaka western australia present ever never knew he does have a nice read carl drake from fema region down under would like to deduce our dad warren on a sixty third birthday doesn't take much to bring him on board but our mother yvonne will still need a few more good punches about it you've been t do we do not encourage uh... punching moms in the mouth on the new agenda show

1:56:12 But I was wonder why you know you listen to this show. I don't think we're unreasonable Maybe we're a little too entertaining, but I don't understand why people reject what we're saying. It's not that we're oh No, it's it's the programming. It's it's You know you know how on Windows Sometimes you you want to get out of something you do ctrl alt delete and you have to hold it down the whole time You know it cuz it does it doesn't I guess yeah, it's the inter you know someone It's funny, let me just find this email and we can get back to the thank yous. The concept was, let me just see, that we are consistently under ELF programming

1:56:58 Seriously, think about it. But you can disconnect. And what happens when people go nuts is because there's a little blip in the system, kind of like your modem doesn't work for a moment there or whatever. But once you're out, once you have trained yourself to opt out, like I have opted out, Once you're there, then you can you can stay out but go ahead and sit down in front of the television and you'll see what happens. You've seen it happen John. You actually you had this experience yourself. You'd read your own newsletter. I guess so. Adrian Taylor $100 from Hastings East Sussex. He calls us the Chuckle Brothers. Along with a kind of an interesting note. Baron Jeffrey Gerling.

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1:59:38 David Zinn, Chicago, Illinois. And by the way, Lehman is in Switzerland. Lehman... Let's read his note here. I think it's time to pull up a new black chair to the round table. I made it to knighthood. You guys missed it. Black Knight, Swiss Senna will be sitting on the ever-growing table of the distinguished ladies and gentlemen. Looking forward to the hookers and blow. Yeah, he's on the list. Yeah. All right, so we're knighting him today. Nice. Yeah. All right. Good. David Zinn in Chicago, Illinois with a birthday shout out. We have it on the list. Sam Harrelson in Columbia, South Carolina. Brian Curry, apparently a relative of yours, in Connell, B.C. That's right. I like saying Connell. Mark Heimerman in Appleton, Wisconsin, another birthday boy. Kevin Thomas in Smyrna, Georgia. Love the name of that town.

2:00:31 Michael Kaney in Raleigh, North Carolina Charles Feitenheimer in Tucson, Arizona Israel Cazares in Houston, Texas I love how everyone's using the sack of sixes meme in these notes. That's really cool. Yeah, and there goes the spreadsheet. What did I just say? Israel Cazares in Houston, Texas, which is not right up the road from me It is if you drive long enough, but I'd like to read his note Okay, please receive this humble contribution from a blind man who desperately needs a job I was going to wait till my birthday to donate to the best podcast in the universe But two weeks or so was too long to wait have this sack of sixes and expect more keep up the great work and know That everywhere I go I hit people in the mouth. Oh, I know that everywhere I go I hit people in the mouth I guess that's his dictation stuff stuff or whatever. It didn't give him a karma. Absolutely. I'm

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2:02:21 uh... which is art in some town i can pronounce and their ever it's a news that goes this is good at it yeah did jersey dust drove yet that's the only dot we got the yucky ma form malaysian xerox with certainly you'll feel that you know you know him you know him davis stravis dillman in red and that's the end of our sixty six sixty six is by the way Long one. Travis Dilman, $60 in Red Deer, Alberta. Red Deer! That's cool. I gotta visit Red Deer, Alberta. Eric Ortner, $55.55, Sioux Center, Iowa. Hey, Eric Ortner, isn't that the, that's a celebrity. Eric Ortner's a celebrity in Sioux Center, Iowa. Eric Ortner is, isn't he an actor? He might be, but I can't imagine him living in Sioux Center, Iowa. Eric Ortner, oh, hold on a second. No, Eric Ortner,

2:03:22 This is how I know about him. Uh, here IMDB. I think he's an ABC executive producer for 2020. Yeah, and he lives in the early show and Good Morning America. He probably has an apartment in New York I would guess. Yeah, you'd think. Okay, well hello Eric, whether you're famous or not. Alright, thank you. James Howie, you're famous to us. Double nickels on the dime from James Howard, Indianapolis, Indiana. Jacqueline Champlin who's got a birthday coming up. Double nickels on the dime from Santa Ana, Eric.

2:04:00 Hockel in Berlin, Deutschland, 52 bucks and all these restaurants. We had two $50 donors. Wayne Richard or Reichert in Tilsen, New York and parts unknown our friend Peter Totes, sir if I'm not mistaken. And I'd like to revisit Jacqueline Champlin's email. Thanks to you my husband punched me in the mouth. By the way, we've never actually advocated the punching of people in the mouth. It is go out propagate the formula we hit people in the mouth. But okay. My husband punched me in the mouth. I wanted to- It sounds great. What is this show? Can you imagine somebody picking this stuff up, finding these old spreads? These people are advocating violence! Violence! I can't believe it! They were really violent back in the 2000s. Um, thanks you my husband punched me in the mouth. Wanted to give him a birthday shout out. I'd love it if Adam could read this in his smooth Delilah casting voice.

2:04:56 And read it. It says, I love you more than words can say. Let's hit it. All right. I was getting ready for it. I love you more than words can say, Brandon. Champlin, you're the crackpot to my buzzkill. Happy birthday. You know what I'll do to you later. I think her voice is better. I haven't even heard it. Quite possibly. All right, well that would be our donors for show contributors for show 552 want to thank you each and every one of them and people who sent in lesser amounts it helps every penny helps a lot does and we want to remind you we got show 553 coming up this Thursday with probably a lot of good stuff because that's all that we're getting which the things are picking up yeah they are picking up and once again ELF transmission commencing now.

2:05:48 It's your birthday, birthday, ay-ay-ay, on No Virtual Day. Alright, group by day today we say happy birthday to Timothy Dickman, our executive producer of the show. Jacqueline Champlin says happy birthday to her husband Brandon, he turns 33 today. Tomorrow Sir David Koss will be congratulating and celebrating. Timo Zaudemars says happy birthday to his wife, she's celebrating tomorrow. Camille Hansen wants to say happy birthday to her boyfriend Frederik Enge, and you know what else he's getting. Along with Mark Heimerman who congratulates his son Luke, all of them celebrating their birthdays tomorrow.

2:06:25 On the list as well, Stephen Cogswell, happy birthday to you on Tuesday. And Trent Drake and Carl Drake say happy birthday to their dad Warren turning 63. David Zinn is also congratulating his imminent human resource Oliver Zinn on I guess his first day here on planet Earth. Which is sick by the way, say 95% of all scientists. Happy birthday everybody! And we have two knightings here. Let me see... Oh, really?

2:07:04 There's the other one. Thank you Timothy Dickman Rolf Lehman step forward gentlemen both of you have contributed to the no agenda podcast in the amount of $1,000 or more we highly appreciate these contributions and therefore are welcoming both of you to the roundtable and pronounce the Sir Green Knight Timothy Dickman and Sir Black Knight Rolf Lehman both of you are welcome as Knights of the no agenda roundtable for you Cookers and blow Geishas and a bucket of fried chicken rent boys and chardonnay hot pants and booze wenches and beer even a swimmer in rose a bong hits and bourbon sparkling sire and escorts and Mutton and mead all here at the table and you can go to no agenda nation comm slash rings We're still handing out rings, even though we're we thought we'd be at pins, but we're still on rings because it's been kind of slow Some more rings. Oh really? Yeah, really? Yeah, that's what happens

2:07:57 Well, you're in charge of all that. I don't roll on the road. I'm part of the peerage, you know. Oh. Um, a little bullying action for you today, John? Well, first, I would like to read one last tweet. Wait, one second. Hold on a second. Another tweet from Eric Holdhouse. This is a retweet. Oh, whoa. Which is prefaced by fully agree. And the tweet is, all evidence points to current economy as dependent on destruction of the planet. Another tweet from Eric Holdhouse. That's right. In fact, this podcast can only be successful if we destroy the planet. Yes, exactly. Give me a toot on that thing. Brand new, John, brand new to the table on our bullying, sibling bullying.

2:09:01 Oh, well that's common. I saw some kid beating up his little brother the other day. It has to be addressed now. Sibling bullying is... I think they should arrest the parents and put the kids in foster care. Well let's see... That's great. Sibling bullying is a type of violence that is prevalent in the lives of most children, but little is known about it. Yes, Robin Kowalski has done an entire report... Not much is known about it. No, little is known about it. We have not done a report on it, but Robin Kowalski has. And she says the phenomenon has long been overlooked. 75% of participants in the study reported being bullied by a sibling. 85% reported bullying as a sibling. My goodness, this has to stop. I agree, I think we need to arrest the parents. Did you bully Willow? Oh, no, Tiffany. I really bullied her. Tiffany? Yeah. She's the one who doesn't donate to the show and now you know why.

2:09:58 I really bullied her. Actually, I bullied them both, but only once and for a year and then that ended. I was actually, I wasn't bullying, I was blackmailing them. You want to hear? Yeah, I think this is a story everyone is well worth. OK, so there was a store in the town that we lived in called the Porcelain Closet and they had, they sold porcelain flatware. and porcelain flatware no I'm not flatware but you know like dishes and stuff oh yeah plates plates yeah and so for my mom's birthday Tiffany and Willow had stolen some plates from the porcelain oh no and they had given those plates my mom for her birthday and I somehow I'd found out about it and I decided I was going to use this to my advantage and all I had to do how old were you

2:10:57 14 13 14 13. Okay, the kids are how old is sister a 9 and 11 at the time and they managed to steal. Oh, yeah Oh god, well, it was an easy steal which I was I found out about it. I don't know It was an easy one I think I was probably I was probably case in the joint went out It's easy to steal stuff here. And then I found out they had already done it. Oh But I was curious, because like, how did you guys get the money for these plates? So for a, I kid you not, for a year, whenever I wanted something or wanted my own way, or what I just look at them, I go like, and I'd whisper, plates. In Dutch actually, which was border. I just say border, border, plates.

2:11:40 For a year until they and until finally they couldn't stand it anymore And they and they went to my mom and said look, you know, we stole these plates, but Adams been black for a year That was let me say that was that was the end of my blackmailing career So the place eventually got paid for then? Oh yeah, they got paid for it. And I never ever ever blackmailed anyone again. That was... Well that's good, that's the good news. So it all worked out! Yeah. But nowadays you'd probably have been thrown in jail. My parents would have been thrown in jail? For being a bully, yeah. And your parents have been thrown in jail for receiving stolen goods.

2:12:20 But we now have several initiatives. Calling All Parents is CAP, is the latest one. They have a whole website, there's all kinds of cool stuff. Here is their public service announcement which I wanted to share with you. It's limited to just the schoolyard. You're such a loser. Do you know how stupid you are? You're a total freak. Or the classroom. Everyone hates you, even the teachers. It follows your kids everywhere And it never takes a break Now the things you're hearing here in this really poorly produced PSA I've heard all of these things when I was in school and

2:13:03 Yeah, of course. Everybody has. Anybody normal. Yeah, it's like, you know, they only pretend they like you. Oh, I hear he eats his lunch at the garden. I still hear that. Yeah. Oh, believe me, it's true. Easy for your child to become a target and easier online. Talk to your kids about cyberbullying and let them know they can't hide behind the words they type or the images they post. Check your child's online activity and block and delete any unwanted texts or emails. To learn more, visit smartcyberchoices.org. Calling all parents keep your kids safe now now pay attention because here comes at the end line in partnership with the San Diego Police Foundation Safety net program creating a safer San Diego online and on the street sponsored by ESET and the securing our eCity Foundation Okay, so the East yeah exactly City

2:13:52 Well, it's a foundation that doesn't exist on record. As far as I can tell, I could not find any entry, no form 990 securing our e-city sponsored by ESET, which is essentially like a, you know, a McAfee type outfit. This is just the beginning, people, just the beginning of the cybersecurity state that you're going to be lured into. It's going to be oh so incredibly important to be safe and you don't want to be bullied and you have to have all kinds of protection. It's just the beginning. Well, that's a depressing little side note. Not really, it's kind of cool. I got a lot of emails about my thing about Bill Gates and I was reminded that his dad was one of... he was... I think he was on the board but for a certain point he was in the top management of Planned Parenthood. Did you know that? I don't know that... I have no idea that that's true.

2:14:57 Yes, in fact, I tried to get the video from this. In 2003, on an interview with Bill Moyers, Bill Gates says, when I was growing up my parents were almost involved in various volun... were all almost always involved in various volunteer things. My dad was head of Planned Parenthood and it was very controversial to be involved with that and so it's fascinating at the dinner table my parents are very good at sharing things like that blah blah blah blah. I tried to get the video of this but guess what 2003 guess what format the video was in Real player. Yes, I even downloaded the real player to try it never works Oh, well now my computer like I got all kinds of stuff popping up and you know, I got all that Oh, yeah, no real player is just just spyware So if you go into the history and not the recent history, but you know like the real history of Planned Parenthood Guess what? You run into pretty quickly Margaret Sanger

2:15:57 Yeah, Sanger who's a eugenicist, she wants to kill people. Yes, exactly. She's the one who founded it, this plan like, you know, there's this guy Eric Holthaus. I'm all in, cutting my nuts off. So here is a brief reading of one of Margaret Sanger's notes from early on about eugenics. Now eugenics as we've discussed on this program many times it's not just something that Alex Jones yells about on his show. The eugenics society was real. And the US of A, we're the ones who pretty much promoted it. The Nazis took all their stuff from us. Yes.

2:16:37 We were the kings of this. We were this in time and motion studies and all this other kind of really dehumanizing approach to management. And the main, and yes, and the main issue at hand was we need to have no invalids. So if you know, if you're, if you've got Tourette's or something like that, you know, basically we don't want you to procreate. We won't kill you. We just don't want you to make more of you. And, oh yeah, if you're black, this is a real problem because you hump like bunnies and make lots of you, but you're clearly inferior. Sanger's admiration for the eugenics programs of Nazi Germany were well known at the time. In 1933, the Birth Control Review published Eugenic Sterilization, an Urgent Need by Ernst Rudin, who was Hitler's director of genetic sterilization and the founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene.

2:17:28 In her praise for the eugenics programs in Germany, Sanger called for the implementation of such programs in the United States, specifically targeting African Americans. The following editorial was published in the 1932 issue of the Birth Control Review. The Negro problem is one of the most complicated and important confronting America. Whatever the ultimate answer may be, such an attitude brings to light the function of birth control as a necessary agency in its solution.

2:18:03 The present submerged condition of the Negro is due in large part to the high fertility of the race under disastrously adverse circumstances. Thus, the question arises to what extent birth control has had a eugenic effect upon upon the Negro race. If any questions should remain about Sanger's racist agenda, a 1939 letter she wrote to Dr. Clarence Gamble should remove all doubt. We should hire three or four colored ministers Preferably with social service backgrounds and with engaging personalities the most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal well that's just a little bit of the the thinking at the time and I thought was kind of interesting to have this is from a documentary or a short documentary that I found and

2:19:06 But if you look at what the eugenics society was and I've put all these links for you in the show notes Especially for you kids in high school if you want to write an interesting paper Yes, these notes and put something together. Yeah, please. How are you get well? Here's here's what I wanted to point out so eugenics genetics, you know eugenics and There was, you know, there was a society and I'm going to wager that there still is a lot of thinking just from the way we listen to what Bill Gates says he is doing is I'm trying to have less people on the earth. He says he's doing it through vaccines and it's a very complicated way of saying because people will not die, people will make less people. They refuse to die on us. Yeah.

2:19:54 So so but he is in we're gonna kill him it is kind of the same Theory is eugenics. It's still the same basic idea. Here's what I want you to be cognizant of When you sign up for 23andme and you get on your little, you know social network and sharing, you know Your little genetic defects be wary as to who else has that information and at some point in the future Bill Gates might be going well, you know, we really don't This is dangerous Yeah, I wonder how he feels about the genetics in him that apparently has Parkinson's. Really? Yeah, it's a little known but somewhat publicized fact. Does he have Parkinson's? Yeah, he's got Parkinson's. Well, not severe yet. No, no. Really? So that's fact?

2:20:48 Apparently yes. Well then we have to do away with him. Well, I mean by the rules So I'm opting out of Parkinson's by the way good Gates was born the dad. Yeah, it's born in Bremerton that they're all know Seattleites William Henry Gates the third or the second is his name. He was actually an Eagle Scout and which is nothing to sneeze at to be honest about I've only known one personally or maybe a couple so he was a boy scout a boy scout and then he when he enlisted in the U.S. Army changed his name to William Gates Jr. to avoid the appearance of elitism which he basically was elitist yeah he was on the board of Planned Parenthood there's no evidence that he ran it

2:21:41 Well, I'm just saying what Bill Gates himself said. Yeah, well, you know, they like to exaggerate. Make their parents more important than they are. I think being on the board is not necessarily... It's not non-trivial. It's not like you don't have anything to say. He's also on the board of Costco. Wow. And the founding co-chair of the Pacific Health Summit. Gates is co-author with Chuck Collins of the book wealth and our Commonwealth why America should tax Accumulated fortunes a defense of the policies promoted by the estate tax. How about the wealth tax? Isn't that what he's talking? Anyway, okay. Anyway, so it's your point Yeah, my point is don't be so happy about your genetic makeup and sharing that with everybody Yeah, just you know, at least just don't give it to Bill Gates. I

2:22:37 Right, I would say that's true. I have a clip from last show I wanted to play. Okay. This is the Obama on guns. Oh, ready? It ought to be a shock to all of us as a nation and as a people. It ought to obsess us. It ought to lead to some sort of transformation. That's what happened in other countries when they experienced similar tragedies in the United Kingdom, in Australia, When just a single mass shooting occurred in those countries, they understood that there was nothing ordinary about this kind of carnage. They endured great heartbreak, but they also mobilized and they changed. Did you edit that? No, it was edited, pre-edited by somebody else.

2:23:18 So this all came after the shotgunning of those people in the Navy base. I want to ask you a question about that. And it seems to me as though since Joe Biden has promoted shotguns, and shotguns are never discussed in any of this gun control stuff, is I don't get to disconnect. Guy comes in with a shotgun, starts blowing people up, and so they go right back into this handgun control thing. As if there was a connection. There is no connection. Well, here's the thing that bothers me. Have you seen the video they've released video and you see a pretty guy sneaking around. Yeah, so let me that's hilarious Okay, so first you see a Prius driving into a garage. Whoa, my god, that is so scary And then you see the guy he has no backpack. I mean, how did he shoot off 40 50 rounds? Where's all the ammo that thing? Remington takes seven shells seven shells. Yeah, where's all this is bullshit. I

2:24:12 He didn't have, you're right, he didn't have a backpack. He didn't have a belt with a bunch of bullets. No, nothing. In fact, you don't even see him shooting that shotgun in the video. You only see him like walking around. Yeah, why is there no shots of him, of the gun actually discharging? And why is every news report when they, when every page it's like, oh, this is chilling video. No, it's not. It's some doofus running around with a sawed off shotgun with nothing. He's not shooting anybody? He has no huge stash of ammo? Why is no- it's almost like the video of the Sarnef brothers, you know, putting- there is this video of them putting the backpacks into the garbage can. No one's seen it, but it exists. Oh, it's too secret, it's too shocking for you to see it, I guess.

2:25:04 Yeah, well it wouldn't be shocking in the least. It's like where's the video of Osama Bin Laden being tossed off the boat? How about this one? Now this is Rachel Madcow. I try to stay away from playing clips of her. By the way, I'm going to stop you right here. You condemned me about a year ago for playing clips from Rachel Maddow and since then you're the only one playing her clips. This is my evil plan to become more popular than you. I play this clip because it is such an extreme example of how the media ties into the lying that it has to be played. There was a lawsuit

2:25:55 about the Sandy Hook 911 calls. As you know, these have not been released. There has been a protectionary measure that they will not be released. There was a lawsuit. The court finally said, okay, they can be released. Now, they still have not been released. But the whole idea is that we can hear what's on these tapes. Very similar to, I don't know, 911 tapes. Have we heard those? Have we heard tapes of calls to 911 from people in airplanes and, amazingly enough, and in office buildings? We've heard those 911 tapes, haven't we?

2:26:34 We actually heard a very sketchy tape of some guy on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, wherever it was, that was shot down according to Rumsfeld, or one of those guys if you recall. Yeah, Rumsfeld. But we've heard, we've heard... To his wife in a situation where I don't think the cell could have gotten out of the... That's a different... Makes no sense. Don't take me down that rabbit hole, right? Please. Okay, so will we agree that 9-1-1 tapes have been played all the time? But but we can't play them from Sandy Hook on the day of the worst school shooting in US history this past December in Newtown, Connecticut On the day that it happened the Associated Press among other news organizations Asked for the recordings of the 9-1-1 calls that were made that day during that crisis from the Sandy Hook Elementary School

2:27:26 And now, asking for the 911 calls, that is a standard news gathering request. It is routinely done in basically all emergency situations that get covered by the press. Even though it is standard practice. In the case of Newtown, Connecticut, the local police that day made the decision to deny that request by the media. They did not allow the tapes to be released. Well, yesterday, a state panel in Connecticut overturned that decision and ordered the release of the 911 calls. I am sort of a free speech purist. Obviously, I work in the news, so I'm inclined to that direction anyway. But in general, even personally, I'm a free speech purist. This is just funny. I believe very strongly that the answer to bad speech or troubling speech is more speech. That it is wrong and usually counterproductive to try to suppress information and access to information. But honestly, it breaks my heart to think about the audio of those calls being released.

2:28:23 This is not a done deal yet. The AP does not have the tapes yet. They may very well never have them. The state is in the process of appealing the ruling and they show every sign of fighting this vociferously because they do not want these tapes out. But if the audio of those 911 calls is released, if the sound is released of people being terrorized while they are in the act of being terrorized in the course of a mass murder of children, I have to say, I hope the media collectively will have the Well, what do you call it? The good judgment, the reasonableness, and the stout enough hearts that no one sees fit to broadcast those tapes if they are ever made available. There is no legitimate purpose for those calls to be heard by the public. No legitimate purpose? If they need to be public, you can put them in public records depositories so people who want to hear that stuff can go seek it out if need be and listen to it privately.

2:29:15 This is where this is how it should go down John you go down to the basement, you know down where the The records are for the insider trading from Congress for all the congressmen and their staff find an old woman down there And then you have to you know, give some blood. Yeah, yeah and sign in and sign out and it will be on cassette tape You see you can't it won't be any digital thing. Can you have your own player? Yeah It'll be a Sony Walkman. You can put the headphones on so you can listen there if you need to hear it But it shall not be broadcast. What is on these tapes? This is you know, they've had nine months to do this. It's gonna be a great production I'm sure it'd be fabulous. I'm sure they have it's gonna be fabulous for this is so uncharacteristic of Any of any news person to say this what is how what is going on with this? She's in the bag

2:30:09 so to speak. Yeah, well. Oh, geez. Woo-hoo! I'd give myself an in the morning for that. Thank you. You deserve it. All right, so Clinton, I guess, is having his little confab, I guess, is ending shortly. Did you see him and Obama with Lucifer introing them? No, I missed that. Oh, you want to hear it? Yes. have fabulous daughters. Fabulous! They each married far above themselves. And they each love our country. And so please join me in welcoming number 42 and number 44, Bill Clinton and President Barack Obama.

2:31:09 Listen to the music. Production, Cut 5, Track 3. It's that cheesy like piano production music. Cheesy recorded crap that's public domain, those cheap bastards. This guy's got 75 billion dollars in the bank, this Clinton Foundation, we were talking about it on another episode. And then there's a report on these guys, it's like something like seven, they got more money than the Gates Foundation. Yeah, oh yeah. And nobody wants to mention any of that because they're just sitting on it. The guy's just making money off the interest. And it's the loops that come with GarageBand.

2:31:51 Yeah, that's the stuff to do. Exactly. Or something you find on a, you find on a, if you play the Yamaha demo button on the Costco organ, 200-pug organ. That's it. That's it. That's it. There's a little tambourine you put in there. Look, and they're walking up now. Mr. President. Listen to this. Are you interviewing me? Thank you for coming it is wonderful to be back and let me start just by saying now this is interesting so the they mess up the script that's why Clinton's like

2:32:42 He doesn't understand what's going on until and the president is waiting Until Clinton says, you know, thank you to be here and then then that's when Barack just rolls Barry rolls into his script Well, it is wonderful to be back and let me start just by saying to all the people who? have for years now supported the incredible efforts of CGI the Saudi Arabians, thank you because wherever we travel and all across the globe we see the impact that it's making every single day. Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Haiti, rubble and poop. And let me say that we still miss our former Secretary of State and I should add that

2:33:42 I should add that there's nothing she said that was not true. Oh, whoa. Particularly the part about us marrying up. What does that even mean? She didn't say they were marrying. Oh, marrying up above their weight. Oh, okay. Ha ha ha. Well, that brings me to my first healthcare comment. So how does that bring you to your first healthcare comment? I know the guy is, he's drunk high, high, high. And listen to him. He, it's the whole thing is so bad. There's nothing she said that was not true.

2:34:22 particularly the part about us marrying up. Well that brings me to my first health care comment. This is going to be a conversation about... That's what we call a great segue. Talk about a crappy segue. Well that brings me to my first question here about health care. Thanks for leading me into that with this stupid remark. Domestic and international health and America's role in it but I want to begin by telling you that I think the first lady's done a great job in this fight against childhood obesity. Oh, okay, so what he's doing now is gonna, excuse me while I blow you about your wife. We have been honored at our foundation to be asked to represent her effort in 18,000 schools where we've lowered the calories and drinks being served in the schools by 90%. She's been great on that. The other thing I think is that

2:35:15 I was a little upset and his house is in school now. Okay, good, you know called one of your administration members when you got to Africa when I read an article that said that you didn't have a big initiative in Africa and I said I can't say exactly what I said, but I said That is inaccurate. That's the sanitized version of what I said anyway, so then he tries to sell Obamacare in one minute And this is how you don't sell Obamacare. So there was in effect no price competition. So what I was terrified of was, you know, we'd open these things and there'd only be one company show up and bid and this whole thing we'd be having an academic conversation instead. It's actually led to the establishment of more companies doing more bidding. And I think part of it is they have greater confidence that they can deliver health care at a more modest cost. So

2:36:17 So far it's good, but I think it's important for you to tell people why we're doing all this outreach because this only works for example if young people show up and even if they buy the cheapest plan then they claim their tax credit so that won't cost them much hundred bucks a month or so and We've got to have them in the pools because otherwise all these projected low costs cannot be held if Older people with pre-existing conditions are disproportionately represented in any given state. You've got to have everybody lined up. So explain what kind of all the work you've been doing on the outreach when we for the opening in October. All right. Why doesn't somebody get Bill some beer or some weed or something?

2:37:14 That's the most incoherent thing I've ever heard. I've been listening to him on this and that and he's, I got one here, he was on PBS and he goes rambling, he did this on Letterman. He starts talking about one thing and then he confuses himself and starts rambling about something else and it's just the weirdest thing to listen to. I think this one here's got some pretty weird crap on it, this clip. Ammunition clips. not having assault weapons. Americans will support reasonable things as long as they don't interfere with the ability to hunt, sports shoot, or defend your home. They will support other measures.

2:37:57 The people who are for these things won't vote against you if you're on the other side. The people who are against them will vote against you if you're on the other side. So that creates a political imbalance. One question about your wife, Secretary Clinton. She... You know, that man who you live with? Confirmed for the first time this week, this past week, that she is wrestling with the idea of running for president. Why did she choose to say this right now? after months of avoiding the press on the subject and how much does she talk to you? You two are so close. How much do you talk about it? I must say until I read the reports of her interview it struck me that she was pretty much saying what she always did. We don't need a four-year presidential campaign. It's amazing how much longer they are now. She doesn't have to declare now or in three months or six months and so I think she should just

2:38:54 enjoy her life and finish her book and do this work she wants to do with this Too Small to Fail initiative. Too Small to Fail. I think she'd make a better decision about this political issue if everything's going well in her life. That's what I think. Yeah, of course the media, they don't like this because they want to start racking up some of that money. Yeah, they do actually. You gotta get to stretch this thing out. But this Ready for Hillary campaign has been going on for at least five, six months. I get two emails, maybe one email every day or two from Ready for Hillary. I'm on their mailing list. It's very interesting. I've been Ready for Hillary for years, honey.

2:39:45 And so they sit there and they're just pushing, pushing, pushing. And this is not like some independent group of people and they're going to try to talk Hillary into running, which is what they try to promote in this, whatever it is, this mailing they keep sending out. They're always asking for, can you just give us $5? And then sometimes they have the $3 thing, which Obama perfected. And it was like $3. Well $3 is not enough so you click on it and you go to the donation page. It's not even on there. It's other. You have to write it in. Other. Yeah, so it's other.

2:40:21 But whatever the case is, this has been going on. They're collecting money. They're by the millions, by the way, for this Ready for Hillary. And they just give her all the money when they officially start the campaign. So they're going to stretch this out. But this is a four-year campaign. Just what Bill said. But it's going to get tiresome. I think people are going to get sick of it. Hillary's got her face lift. She's got everything ready to go. She's got there too small to fail. She's got that happening She's got a book bullcrap book She's gonna put out just before the election and then they're gonna kill Bill and that'll be the that'll be the icing on the cake Well, I think we also have to deal with Anthony. Well, yeah Yeah, we got a deal with Wiener. We got to deal with him and Bill and so Bill can die before you know before we need him and

2:41:08 We need him to well, what's in the book? Didn't I say he had to die before everything so that we could have the whole like a we have a different opinion on the timing on the timing on the timing. What is the time? Do you have the book there handy or we got so many predictions in this thing. I'm going to have to dig by well, you can talk and I'll look because I believe well, first of all, we both believe that they will kill him because he's annoying. Chelsea will take over. Of course, she'll be running the empire doing it for mom. With her banker husband and bill will of course die in the saddle. It's already been set up We know you know, it's already whether we have proof or not The word will be that there was a Russian hooker riding him to death But what I believe that I think I said he has to he has to kick but they have to kill him before Just before the the election we can't you know, so we can have a funeral or a

2:42:01 You know, we need the sympathy vote. I don't know if this is right what you're saying. Yeah, you had a different opinion. I did, but I'm not sure whose opinion is whose now. I have to find it. I'm at the dig through here. We'll have to talk about it on the next show. I want to mention the people out there who help us produce this show by funding it. that nobody else would even discuss such an issue or a possibility except this show. But everybody knows it. Everybody knows it and everybody, you know, they'll talk about it over dinner, but they won't talk about it on their podcast. Openly. On their podcast, openly. Hey, before it's forbidden, because this is all part of the big tolerance push.

2:42:37 Yeah, no, this is intolerant to even discuss such a thing. I'm going to go through page after page to find the little thing in here. You do that. I want to play, on Thursday we read the proposed European Union legislation for tolerance. So you can't talk bad about anybody, you can't say anyone's lame. Right, which will limit the lifespan of the show. In Europe it certainly will. But I think it's a global thing. Here is Watermelon Head Kerry who uses it not once but twice the T word. It is fair to say that unspeakable evil still exists in our world. Yeah, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And dealing with that is the cause that brings all of us here today. We have to remain vigilant, but we have to do more than be vigilant. We have to find a way to prevent, to preempt

2:43:37 to act ahead of these kinds of obscenities. Cowardly attacks like these cannot be allowed to change who we are or shake our resolve to promote peace. By the way, do you hear how he's... We know that he signs his name John F. Kerry. Do you hear him? He's actually now doing Kennedy cadence. Listen to him. And justice for all. So I think that these acts call on us to reaffirm our determination to counter violent extremism and promote tolerance everywhere. And that's what brings us here today. The more I witness these acts over the course of these years, the more I am struck by their emptiness. People who attack in masks disappear, kill people, and you wonder what the statement is that they leave behind.

2:44:37 Are they offering a school? Are they offering a health clinic? Hey everybody, come on down to the Al-Qaeda School of Health! Are they offering education and opportunity for a better life? It seems there's an emptiness in these actions. And I think everybody here feels it. So it calls on us to reaffirm our determination to counter violent extremism And to promote tolerance everywhere. There you go. It's all about the T word. Tolerance. I'm just identifying it. No, I think you're on to something with that. That's a good one. I give that as catch of the day. Catch of the day. It's not quite a halibut, but it's catch of the day. I do want to just point something out to all the techie boys out there. The distraction of the week. Hey! On the whole agenda. Look over there.

2:45:37 I find it interesting that whenever SpaceX does something it's like this is everyone's all oh it's Elon SpaceX! They're going to the International Space Station. Oh they're launching SpaceX! Countdown we're going! But when Orbital, Orbital Cygnus which docked with the International Space Station yesterday it's crickets no one talks about it and Orbital These guys, do you know orbital they make they make rockets that kill people Have you I mean look at orbital orbital? I think it's orbital comm Why does no one talk about orbital when they dock with the space station? They are one of two companies who have a private contract with NASA. Yeah orbital comm and

2:46:26 Yeah, I'm looking at it. They've been around since 1982. That's the reason. They're 31 years in space. Yes, but look at that. Missile defense systems, human spaceflight exploration system. I believe, I believe that the real work, the real business, the real, the real... Let me try to guess what you're suggesting. You're suggesting that the SpaceX is a distraction to keep us from looking at Orbital, which is the company that needs to be examined. Yes. Exactly. And it's being propagated by little techie fanboys and script kiddies who are like, oh it's so cool! Elon Musk has shot a rocket into space! Morons, look at what's really going on here. Well, let's see, the price of the stock, 2130. They've got the Pegasus, the Taurus, the Antares, the Minotaur, that's the one that kills people.

2:47:21 Then they had missile defense interceptor vehicles target vehicles long-range targets These guys are they're building systems that kill people shoot rockets from outer space Nice. Yeah, why is no this is the company? That's cool These guys are pretty much launched every single satellite you can think of Intel sat Korea sat until sat 15 until set 16 and they they're making the real money and Yeah, no kidding. But they literally docked here. Orbital's Cygnus spacecraft successfully burst with International Space Station yesterday. Will this be on Twit? No. No. It'll be, oh, he's cool. He's awesome. He's awesome. He's Tony Stark. Well, dream on, people. So let's take a look here at the, before we end the show, the key statistics of these guys.

2:48:25 So the company's worth 1.2 billion, which is cheap. It's very cheap. Yeah, actually Elon can buy them with pocket change. You could buy this company. Just in the public market. That's their market cap is 1.2? That's very low. I find that to be very low. It's very low. Well, it's because it's not a tech company and they're not getting a lot of publicity apparently. Yeah, well we're trying. This is our pump and dump scheme. So the revenue is, curiously the market cap is 1.2 billion but their revenue is 1.4 billion. Oh wow. So they're one times earnings? That's what it looks like. That's weird. One times revenue. Oh one times revenue. Well, oh yeah, what's their earnings? Their earnings 339 million which makes them like four times earnings. Although their earnings per share

2:49:13 Price-earnings ratio is 18 intraday, so I don't know how that makes any sense. Who's the CEO? David W. Thompson. Oh! No wonder. Look at this guy. What a dick. What a nerd dick. Let's see. Where's the old... A dick nerd. Let me get the profile of the company. He's not sexy. Is he? Well, guess where they're located. Virginia? Oh no, Texas. Texas. They're located in Texas. No, Dulles, Virginia. I thought they were in Texas. They're on 45 101 Warp Drive on Dulles, Tech, Virginia. Oh. They maybe have operations in Texas. David W Thompson is the chairman, CEO and president. He gets paid a million two, which is reasonable. But you know, look at his head. He's no Elon Musk. Well, you got to go to corporate information and then executive profiles. It's another thing. Yeah. Well, we could do so much good for this company.

2:50:07 But I don't think they want it. That's that's no no no no no that's not no They don't they don't want absolutely not they want to be under interest so Then he looks like he looks like an eric schmidt Yeah, wait a minute. Yeah, if I actually got david w thompson the actor and then when this picture came up It was kind of a shocker Now there's a different side definitely thompson um, yeah, so yeah, so I I do believe indeed that particularly if you look at the launching of these two systems one after another that this is rigged. This is rigged to distract us from the company that's doing the real work. It could be. It's not a big shocker to anybody if it's true. I just find it interesting that why is no one interested

2:50:56 in a company that has docked successfully, a commercial company, one, they don't want to be noticed and B, the other guy wants to be noticed. So then you got a discrepancy here. You got a company that doesn't want to be noticed and a company paying to be noticed and so they get noticed and it's like we are stunned by this. No, it's just the way it is. I want people to look inside themselves and ask themselves that question. Why are they tweeting about Spacex and not about orbital because they're idiots. Thank you It's not because they're idiots. It's the only point you tried to make there. No, it's not because they're idiots. It's because they're sucked up into celebrity culture and it's important that people realize what's happening. I would say that's the standard, that's the American way and what you're saying, which I think is the real point you're making here, is that even the most technological, nerdy geeks, the guys who should be above it all, they might as well be watching the Maury Show.

2:51:57 They are just as bad as people who watch Entertainment Tonight. Yes. Yes. And many of them are comic book nuts. And they should be ashamed of themselves. Well, there's that. Alright. No Agenda Producer Update will be coming up on the live stream right after this program, which is ending as we speak. We will return on Thursday to bring you another At minimum, two and a half hours of jam-packed entertainment. We dissect it, we slice it, we dice it, we roll it in the mud, we slap it on its butt, and we present it to you on a silver platter. Anyway, looking forward to it.

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