Episode 552 • • 21:35 - 27:01
552: Almost Certain = Fact!
Ron Wyden and Metadata Collection Definitions
Senator Ron Wyden questions Deputy Attorney General James Cole regarding the definition of metadata collection. Cole argues that the program should not be called "surveillance" because it only collects phone numbers, dates, and durations rather than content. The hosts analyze Cole's verbal stumbling as an admission that the technical capability for broader data access exists despite legal restrictions.