Geopolitical tensions escalate as the State Department rebrands the Ukrainian uprising while domestic debates over Common Core and religious freedom reach the Supreme Court.
President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Mark Rutte utilized the Nuclear Security Summit in the Netherlands to finalize a framework for sectoral sanctions against Russia following the annexation of Crimea. Despite a massive Secret Service presence and an Amsterdam lockdown that saw helicopters landing on the Museumplein, two IT security students successfully breached the perimeter using fraudulent student press credentials. The summit, which featured an opening video heavy with triangle and all-seeing eye imagery, focused on the removal of enriched uranium while the President publicly stated that a nuclear detonation in Manhattan remains a greater concern than Russian regional power.
Contradictions in the Ukraine narrative emerged as CBS News correspondent Charlie D’Agata reported from Donetsk that he saw no evidence of the Russian military buildup claimed by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. Meanwhile, the State Department launched the #UnitedForUkraine social media campaign, which critics label as state-sponsored branding for the newly coined Revolution of Dignity meme. In Florida, a prosecutor's report on the FBI shooting of Ibragim Todashev claims the associate of the Boston Marathon bombers attacked agents with a broomstick and a coffee table before being shot in the back of the head. Simultaneously, Secretary of State John Kerry presented Sergey Lavrov with Idaho potatoes as North Korea launched ballistic missiles into the Sea of Japan.
Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the expansion of the LGBTQQIAAP acronym and the hypocrisy of diplomatic visits to Saudi Arabia where homosexual conduct remains a capital offense. The hosts retire long-standing theories regarding Bill Clinton's health to focus on the corporate-led Common Core science standards and the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court challenge. Former President Jimmy Carter admits to using snail mail to evade NSA surveillance, while the city of Santa Clara implements a municipal ban on spilling beer at the new 49ers stadium.
Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from Austin, Texas, and Northern Silicon Valley. Curry describes a photo shoot occurring in his garage involving his wife, Mickey, and a model. The hosts engage in banter regarding the "art shots" and the studio setup at the Travis Heights hideout.
00:00 Hey, when I'm old enough, I'll be lifting the skirts with my cane. There's naked chicks in my garage, so it must be Thursday here in FEMA Region 6 at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin Texas. In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where I am studying STEM, Scotch, Tonic, Eggnog, Marquise...I'm John C. Corey. It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! In the mornin'! Gotta tell ya' its like clockwork John
00:40 Mickey's doing a photo shoot with hot, hot model. She does it on purpose! She schedules it during the show so she doesn't have you in there drooling all over these women. No kidding and this is a girl from the spin class? Oohh, spinner! She's a true spinner. Oh my... So we got like... And you know, you got the makeup girls here and they're doing that And of course, you know I'm in my Thursday attire which is... Yeah a skivvy shirt. Three day beard. Wife beater. Jumpin' bottom. Wife beater! Hey girls!
01:15 How you doing? Hey, you look great. Hey uh... can I come in and watch? Like to watch! I should so totally get a webcam hooked up in that-in that Mickey's uh.. I'm stupid what am I?! Yes make some serious money on the side! I am SO stupid why am I thinking of this now!? Damn Oh well That's the way to do it Yeah that is the way to do it I have webcam A photo shoot There sh-is she gonna be posing nude? Oh yeah So she's gonna be art shots. Yeah, of course yeah wink-wink art wink-wink nudge-nudge No, then Mickey has meetings with these girls too you know but they discuss everything and what they're gonna do Check out her tattoos. She got tattoos all over and she got a sleeve a sleeve Sleeve I could find lampshade one of these days John
The Nuclear Security Summit in the Netherlands featured a high-production "corporate style" opening video commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The hosts analyze the video's use of triangle imagery and "all-seeing eye" symbolism, which they liken to Illuminati conspiracy tropes. The stated goal of the summit was the removal of enriched uranium and plutonium from participating nations.
02:11 That's horrible. It is well all right the new world order had their meeting over there in Gitmo nation lowland yeah Obama man he said a few things that were kind of boring Obama well you know this being the Netherlands I was without even being there just being able to follow the reporting was very interesting This was really a show of epic proportion. Now you should explain to the listeners, producers that you had a, you sent me a copy of a ludicrous... The opening video. What I called corporate video Yes Because it and somebody I was noticing on my blog, well is that corporate? what corporation was i said no it's the style you idiot It's the Corporation Of America of the Gitmo Lowlands Is what it is Yeah so this was a corporate style video That Was So over-the-top yeah with seven minutes And and I cannot find A production house to take credit for it
03:14 But it was obviously commissioned by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands. Seven minutes... They have a link to it? Oh yeah, I've got a link on the show notes actually have an extract from it took about 40 seconds where there's some actual speech and most of time is just the guys... Well its all the sponsors you know All the big corporations in there although interestingly seen a name drop Yes, interesting Siemens popped up with the medical devices which should have been Phillips I thought that was a faux pas or maybe someone paid more than the other guy. I'm not sure but this it was very much like an Olympics type opening video where it interacted with the room and if you didn't see this National Security Summit You need to go look at least a couple of photos
04:02 This thing was they have the Illuminati triangle with the all-seeing eye in the middle They're all wearing little triangle pins this Without you can laugh at the conspiracy theory, but this is come on. Are they doing this just to mess with us? Yeah Here's a check out this little bit in the middle essentially this summit and very little Was published in the news here in America at least about the summit itself Essentially this was a summit to once and for all remove all nuclear material so we really can have no nuclear power anywhere. Under the guise of it's for safety. Oh Illuminati! This is from the video, listen to this track. Hello everybody! Hello delegates welcome Illuminati
04:58 Nuclear material has an important function. We use it to heal the sick and light our arms. The chances of terrorists staging a nuclear attack are small, but if it were to happen... ...the consequences would be devastating. So we have to protect nuclear materials from falling into the wrong hands. We have to protect nuclear material from falling into the wrong hands! And this whole stylized thing and a piece of this triangle falls out of the sky, and a guy finds it. Then there's a whole race to get it into the... I thought that looked like a radioactive rod! Well, it did look like a rad- It was glowing! It was a glowing rod, yeah, it falls out of the sky. It looks like The Simpsons' radioactive rod in The Simpson opening sequence. It was really quite despicable, I would say
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Air Force One Logistics, Amsterdam Lockdown, Rembrandt's Night Watch
President Barack Obama's arrival in Amsterdam involved massive security logistics, including multiple C-5 cargo planes and helicopters landing on the Museumplein. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte hosted the President at the Rijksmuseum. The hosts criticize the use of Rembrandt’s masterpiece, The Night Watch, as a political backdrop for the press event.
05:54 Running around with the rod, giving it from one person to another. Burning their hands off and then they bring it into the stage somehow so what's changed colors to red? Yeah yeah oh yeah! It was glowing huh and well you have to understand that The Netherlands for weeks now were preparing for this summit and the takeover of the country, the lockdown road closings and people could not get to work because of this summit and the president, our president comes in. The show we put on is we had so first we have Air Force One, we had the backup Air Force One We had I think four C-5's and these planes by the way they all had 33. I kid you not they all had 33 in their call signal callsign one of the c-5 was called U-Haul 33 and that contained the helicopters
06:53 So you know we shipped over the helicopters in the 130s of the C5's, I don't know which one they fit in. We had so six or seven cargo planes and his car And a stupid car. Hundreds of Secret Service agents who, of course are all partying because it is one big party I'm sure you heard three guys got sent back Yeah they got thrown out of the country Because this is what it is It's a big party and the commander-in-chief everyone's living it up and then they close all the roads and then the president flies his helicopter to the center of Amsterdam and lands on Museumplein which
07:34 I don't think a helicopter has ever landed there, ever. I don't think the Dutch Marines have ever... not even on Liberation Day to go see the night watch And then to me it was almost disgusting to see him and the Prime Minister of the Netherlands in front of The Night Watch. Using The Night Watch as a backdrop for these douchebags! Explain what The Night Watch is? It's a painting by Rembrandt, and is hailed as one of his most important pieces of work mainly for the way he uses natural light and shadow and realism
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Security Breaches, Student Press Credentials, Prime Minister Rutte's Bicycle
Two IT security students successfully breached the Nuclear Security Summit's perimeter by obtaining phony student press credentials. Despite the massive Secret Service presence, the students were able to photograph themselves within five yards of President Obama. Prime Minister Mark Rutte's habit of riding a bicycle to the summit is contrasted with the American president's heavy motorcade and helicopter detail.
08:11 It's at the Rijksmuseum, isn't it? It's at the Rijksmuseum. Yes I saw it once and its...I think is considered the most important work because they have it Well there's that To be honest about it There's that yeah there's that And what's interesting if you look at all the statements that come out which this really isn't discussed at all what this summit was about it was about removing highly enriched uranium and plutonium from all these countries that joined in And so yeah, there's... Oh! Let us take your stuff. Yeah exactly we're gonna take away all of your nuclear material and I guess we're then going to sell you our gas because Japan oh yeah no when I will give you all that highly enriched uranium please anyways for the show John I can't believe it would land a chopper I know we're not thinking about that one John three and two were hovering No but the thing is
09:14 who were at some point, you know maybe 10 yards away from the president in The Hague. You know just leaning out of their office window so for all of the hundreds of security personnel and all this big show there was even a report this morning that I received a couple of students they wanted...they're studying let me see if i have it here they were studying uh I guess IT security and they wanted to see if they could breach the security of this event So they put up a phony baloney website about their student project and then they submitted for press, student press credentials. And they got it! They're taking pictures of themselves with the president five yards away. You know so this is... The whole thing it's a show Yeah that's your security for you Oh yeah The whole thing as a show and the Dutch by the way I think they love it They love Obama They think he's just the cat's meow
10:13 Oh, he's so cool. Even though they were a little annoyed about all the security and the closure still... Yeah but they've been putting up with stuff like that for awhile. And it's better than Germans taking their bicycles! Well I have to say Obama arrives with his helicopter detail, Rutte, the Dutch Prime Minister arrives on his bike And I think that's, yes! Right on. Right on. That was funny. So here is the press conference that was one of the press conferences of the president and the prime minister. And another thing I like about this prime minister is he just keeps saying Barack, doesn't say Mr President, he says hey Barack! Yeah Barack, I agree with what you said there which is cool. And if you can ride a bike into there where some guys dropped a helicopter you can call him Barack
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Russia Sanctions, European Energy Dependency, Lack of Applause
President Obama and Prime Minister Rutte discussed the framework for additional sectoral sanctions against Russia following the annexation of Crimea. The proposed sanctions target energy, arms sales, and trade, though officials acknowledge these measures may disrupt European economies. A clip from the press conference highlights a notable lack of applause from the press corps following the President's remarks on privacy and the rule of law.
11:06 I think it's outside of protocol, but it's very Dutch and I like it. So they do this press conference and they're answering questions... well I only have two clips here.. And it's very interesting because of course everyone is not asking about the Nuclear Security Summit but about Russia and Ukraine So President Obama goes into this whole thing about, well you know sanctions and hey it could hurt us. It could hurt the economies of many countries but that's what it is we got to do this and you know that Siemens the president of Siemens visited Putin yesterday in the Kremlin
11:48 How does that work? Where's the anger and the outrage over that because they have a multi-billion dollar billion euro deal PepsiCo is all freaked out. They do billions of euros a year in Russia, but okay The president starts talking this bullcrap about oh We'll look to more sanctions it might hurt somebody and then the Prime Minister of the Netherlands jumps in To kind of save the day at the end here But we are also concerned about further encroachment by Russia into Ukraine so what I announced And what the European Council announced was that we were consulting and putting in place the framework, the architecture for additional sanctions. I love frameworks and architecture you know nothing good can come of that Additional costs should Russia take this next step It has not just been my suggestion but it has also been the European Council's suggestion That should Russia go further
12:45 such sex sectoral Sanctions would be appropriate. What does that mean? It means it means nothing, but here it comes. ...potentially like energy... Energy! Aha! Or arms sales... Aha! or trade That's pretty much everything right there. ..that exists between Europe and the United States and Russia And what we're doing now is at a very technical level examining the impacts of each of these sanctions. It's technical, you stupid slaves don't understand it's technical! Pay no attention, we're doing technical stuff Some particular sanctions would hurt some countries more than others Oh well really? You can see that and now they have actually have a shot of the Prime Minister
13:36 of the Netherlands, like a secondary camera shot from the left. And you can see him go... But all of us recognize that we have to stand up for a core principle that lies at the heart of the international order and that facilitated... Why don't just say New World Order? Don't give me this International Order! European Union and the incredible prosperity and peace that Europe has enjoyed now for decades and so prosperity does that include the million people who demonstrated in spain two days ago is that your prosperity although it could cause some disruptions to each of our economies or certain industries uh... what i've been encouraged by is the the firmness and willingness on the part of all countries too to look at ways in which they can participate right jumping in jumpin prime minister
14:36 if economic sanctions would be necessary because this conflict would escalate to a next stage. But if this were to happen, these sanctions would hit Russia very badly and obviously you can never guarantee that the people in Europe, in Canada, in the US would not be hurt but obviously we will make sure that design these sanctions in such a way that they will have maximum impact on the Russian economy and not on the European, Canadian, Japanese or American economy. Show! Damage control! Let's don't mention Germany at all because whatever you do is going to hurt them. It's gonna screw Germany. Now at the end of this press conference there was like a little Q&A something very embarrassing happened
15:21 No one clapped for the president. No one cared America has always believed in, in terms of privacy rule-of-law individual rights Privacy That has guided The United States for many years and will continue to guide us into the future Right there's why he didn't get the applause And here it is Thank you very much everybody thank you again One guy That's it and then we just empties out everyone uh, yeah disappointing when you don't have your shills
President Obama stated that he is more concerned about a nuclear weapon detonating in Manhattan than he is about Russia's actions as a regional power. The hosts suggest this rhetoric provides a pretext for the FBI to manufacture "staged" terror plots to justify law enforcement budgets. They criticize the quality of recent federal investigations and the perceived holes in official narratives.
16:06 Yeah, you'd have to load up the audience with a bunch of them and apparently somebody probably got chewed out for that. Oh of course! For all the people who are supposed to start clapping. A bunch of people begin clapping as they load audiences just to do that but apparently they had one person or nobody? No it was a full room it was press... This is how arrogant these guys are he actually I'm sure nobody even thought well why would we need that?! The Dutch love him What? No one clapped? Well that won't happen again. No, that won't happen again. And of course this is the one... This is actually the first time the president answered something correctly for in regards to nuclear security summit which uh.. For some reason this clip got a lot of play on mainstream news but everyone was focusing on the words Russia being a regional power and not what the President actually said. Russia's actions are a problem they don't pose the number 1 national security threat to United States
17:08 I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan. I can just see the FBI guys going, oh yeah that's a good idea let's thwart one of those for our six-week cycle Let's get some guy to think he's gonna light off a nuke in Manhattan Actually that's not a bad idea It would be perfect for them Yeah, no that'd be a good one. That would keep the budget for... they could actually drop the whole thing if they could do that well If they can really do it well They're gonna have to really do a better job than what they've been doing though It's been quite pathetic I agree You know you can't have some moron or you can't have this story with holes everywhere and the internet is all over it with every Tom Dick and Harry finding errors Right They haven't yet performed
A Florida prosecutor released a report detailing the fatal FBI shooting of Ibragim Todashev, an associate of the Boston Marathon bombers. The official account claims Todashev attacked agents with a coffee table and a broomstick pole before being shot multiple times, including in the back of the head. The hosts question the shifting narrative and the lack of video evidence from the interrogation.
18:01 These have all been lame, these events. Although they did get off on the six-week cycles not that it was unexpected but the FBI I guess the judge came out with his with the judgment and the kill of what's the Ibrahim... The guy in Boston? Yeah. The brother who was run over by his brothers, but then he was shot. No, Toda Chef! No, Toda Chef the buddy that they went to Florida. Right yeah I don't know if everybody must have heard this, give them the background yes so the background is this is one of their buddies one of the so-called Boston bomber buddies
18:50 And he needed to be eliminated because I'm sure he had some information on why these guys never could have really done this. So the Feds, the FBI specifically go to Florida and they go to interrogate him and he wounds up getting shot six or seven times including one in the back of the head by the FBI so the Florida prosecutor wrote the chaos during this interrogation and I find it weird that we don't have video. I'm pretty sure they always run a GoPro. I think they stopped the cameras and killed him, it was that simple. So apparently Todorov flipped the coffee table he was writing on over as he was writing his whatever his confession was He struck an FBI agent who was sitting with them then he dashed to the kitchen And then he came back with a pole holding in the style of a javelin
19:41 With the end of the pole pointed towards the officer as if intended to impale rather than strike. And they killed him. See, that story's changed! Wait so they shot him three times in the right side of his torso? The way this story was he came at them with a butter knife or something. Yeah remember? So they shot him three times in the side of his torso but... He got up?! and tried to make a low-angled lunge, and the special agent fired another three to four shots. And some of the bullets hit him in the back...in the back of the head So there you go A guy armed with a pole. A pole! Yeah well that's just how it is How come on television you always see... Have you seen this True Detectives series on HBO? Yeah I watched the whole thing Don't tell me..I haven't seen the last one
The hosts discuss the HBO series True Detective, noting that residents of Louisiana feel the show unfairly portrays the state as a haven for "hicks and child killers." They briefly touch upon the acting quality and compare the show's violence to the real-world FBI shooting of Ibragim Todashev.
20:30 Don't spoil it for me. So we have the last episode, so we're holding on to that. It's funny you should mention that I'm not gonna spoil it for ya but... Well let me just no. No don't, just don't please don't all right our friends are looking for a funny thing then our friends from who are from Louisiana who have uh you know family in one of those houses one of those big tara houses yeah they think it sucks they don't they think why because it paints louisiana's a bunch of hicks and we're a bunch of hicks and child killers yeah that would be part of it I'm sure now they said the acting was better in the first half Which I kind of agree with. Anyway, it doesn't matter... I don't think that matters. When you look at that, yeah they'll shoot a guy in the head because they don't like him but generally they're beating people up and there's fights and it's not always killing people! And now there are four or five FBI agents interviewing an unarmed dude who is armed with a kitchen table and I guess a broomstick? A pole? There are no specifics on the pole. They have to shoot him in the back of the head. Come on!
21:33 Yeah, whatever. And you think when you know I've always in the movies it's one of those situations occurs the FBI guy put his gun down take his jacket off and they get into a hand-to-hand with him. Yes! I'll show you. It was a broomstick what was the worst that could happen? I'm telling ya yeah well meanwhile um...I had a couple things as we're on this with Holland thing we have to Ukraine did come up in the conversation. Yeah, it did that's pretty much all that It was about wasn't it? I think so. Did you see Kerry with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov that what he gave him but he give them two large Idaho potatoes That was his gift. It looks like his head. Yeah, he said here look at these and you can think of me Oh
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John Kerry's Potato Gift, North Korea Missile Launch
Secretary of State John Kerry presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov with two large Idaho potatoes as a gift during diplomatic talks. Simultaneously, North Korea launched two ballistic missiles into the Sea of Japan, which South Korean officials interpreted as a message to G7 leaders meeting in the Netherlands.
22:27 Yeah, because you can't grow potatoes in a place like Russia. It's the weirdest thing all they grow What kind of gift is that I mean it? It's like Obama giving in the Queen. It's a devious idea of himself Yeah Selfies yeah, that's how we roll ladies and gentlemen We are dicks we have no culture Here's a potato. Yeah, thanks man! And this just in, North Korea has fired two ballistic missiles. CNN reports they fell into the Sea of Japan The South Koreans believe the missile launch is a message to President Obama and other G7 leaders meeting in the Netherlands right now Did it have a little thing on the side spray-painted like... Hey Barack!
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Marie Harf, State Department Social Media, United For Ukraine Hashtag
State Department spokesperson Marie Harf announced a global social media campaign using the hashtag #UnitedForUkraine to mobilize international support. The campaign encourages users to tweet pictures to US officials to show commitment to the Ukrainian cause. The hosts characterize this effort as state-sponsored propaganda masquerading as "truth" on social media.
23:32 What was the message? What was the message?! Was it in the missile, did someone have to go fish it out of the water? We're coming up short. Is that the message? Did they make a phone call instead? Well did you see Marie Harf She was back on the stage. Oh, I haven't seen her for a while! Yeah she's been out for awhile of course you know Jen has been busy. Jen is an egomaniac and she's taking all the jobs. Of course Marie Harf is the girl who sounds like... You know in this one time at band camp? I stuck a flute my pussy And she had the funniest little bit there was almost no one there which is why I guess she was pushed out. And I gotta tell you the more I look at her
24:10 The more kind of sexy I find her. And she had a sweater on which is kind of low-cut and she has this, it's a really geeky thing that's something about her that I kinda dig it. Here's the foreign policy regarding Ukraine from our State Department for the press of the world. The only other thing I have at the top as many of you just saw was the President speech which focused much of it on Ukraine focused on the world, speaking with one voice about the truth about what's happening there. Truth! And bringing international community together to make clear what is happening so you're going to see two photos behind me as part of our commitment... You might recognize these two gentlemen As part of our commitment to mobilizing the international community in support of Ukraine How are we going to mobilize the international community in support of Ukraine John? Do you have any idea
24:59 Sanctions? No! We are coordinating with our partners and allies a global social media campaign with the hashtag united for Ukraine. There you go, hashtag United For Ukraine that's how we're getting everybody together. We are asking the world to show their support for Ukraine on social media by using the hashtag as I just said united for Ukraine Take action by sending US officials and department accounts tweets with pictures showing how committed we are to this. Send tweets with pictures showing how committed you are! United for Ukraine, hashtag unitedforukraine As the president said, no amount of propaganda can make right what the world knows. Yeah! What is this then? This is not propaganda... No amount of propaganda can... Well this is a good start It's wrong So our goal with this campaign and everything else we're doing Is to make sure that the world knows what IS happening What is the truth And making sure people come together again and are united for Ukraine It's on Twitter so it's truth Let me give you I had to play these two clips now I was going to push these off but
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CBS News Discrepancy, Russian Troop Buildup, Donetsk Border
A CBS News report featuring Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned of a massive Russian military buildup on the Ukrainian border. However, correspondent Charlie D'Agata, reporting from the ground in Donetsk, stated that he saw no evidence of Russian forces, only Ukrainian units digging in. The hosts highlight the contradiction between Washington rhetoric and field reporting.
26:05 This is the script, a CBS script as it was...as the truth. The quote-unquote truth and then when they do the follow up segment it kind of goes off script just play these two clips this is CBS. Analysts have been watching the buildup of Russian infantry armored and airborne units for more than a week An estimate, they are positioned to seize three cities in eastern Ukraine. Karkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk all of which have a predominantly Russian-speaking population That would give Putin a direct route by which he could keep his newly acquired province of Crimea resupplied
26:42 In a phone conversation, Defense Secretary Hagel asked the Russian defense minister to explain the purpose of the build-up which Russia officially calls an exercise. He told me that they had no intention of crossing the border into Ukraine But no one is taking that to the bank since Putin has lost all of his jobs. It's unclear what, if any influence the Russian defense minister will have. You can take that to the bank! Alright. So that's the... Wait, wait John is Hagel still in 2008? Is he reading old transcripts? Take it to the bank! Seriously?! You can take that to the bank! So they send a guy out there and this is the report comes back with. So what does it actually look like on the ground in eastern Ukraine one of the cities that David mentioned is Donetsk and Charlie Dagoda is there tonight. Charlie what do you see
27:41 Well, Scott this scenario in Washington doesn't fit the situation that we've seen on the ground here now We have been to the border outside of Donetsk. We've seen Ukrainian forces digging and we have seen some Ukrainian military Units moving toward the border it should go without saying we haven't seen any Russians to speak up No! Shut Up! What? That's not... Whoa That guy's gonna get a memo. Okay, so I told you about Siemens. So Siemens CEO met... this is in the Financial Times... met Putin yesterday and commits company to Russia. You know, Siemens makes gas turbines stuff for gas transmission and storage They make a lot of big gear And let's see two days ago Gazprom and Siemens extended their strategic partnership agreement
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IMF Ukraine Loan, Gas Price Hikes, Privatization
Ukraine has agreed to a 50% increase in domestic gas prices as a condition for an IMF bailout package valued between $15 billion and $25 billion. The hosts argue that the involvement of the IMF will lead to the forced privatization of Ukrainian state assets. Meanwhile, Siemens and Gazprom have extended their strategic partnership despite the ongoing geopolitical tension.
28:36 The Russians and the Germans, they are tied at the hip. And none of this is working out very well for Germany. Meanwhile Ukraine has agreed in their IMF talks to a 50% gas price hike that's for the consumers of Ukraine. Hello! How is all that democracy working out for you? People have no idea what is about to happen to them. They really don't But when you get involved with the IMF like this, and it's now seems it has gone from $15 billion to more like 20-25 billion dollars. Yeah more requirements. It seems... Yeah privatization of everything they're gonna get screwed. I have to say its kind of remarkable that they pulled this off us that is Newland
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Victoria Nuland Video, Romania NATO Anniversary, Article 5
Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland released a video message celebrating Romania's 10th anniversary in NATO. The hosts suggest Nuland is "stirring up trouble" in the region, specifically regarding Moldova and Transnistria. They speculate that military action could be triggered via NATO's Article 5 if Romania is drawn into the conflict.
29:35 So there are more countries in play now, of course we've been looking at Transnistria which is right in between Romania and Ukraine. Romodava I think. Yeah well Romania's now on the way there's a couple of countries in play. In other words were going to send people over here foment trouble like the guy said foment is the key word. Well Romania is a NATO member and Romania Because they're right on the let me just double-check. I think there if i'm not mistaken roma Romania sits on to the west of Moldova mania map you see this is this is the Yeah, Romania exactly Romania is to the west of mold a so Moldova is right in between Ukraine and Romania And we know Transnistria Is that's the one that's really in play
30:32 and Romania is going to have to be a part of it, specifically because they're a NATO member. And what I believe is going to happen if we need to do some kind of military action, Romania will be attacked because of Article 5 if anyone attacks a NATO member. So who's going to attack Romania? The Russians? Well... Or are we just gonna phony up and attack? I would say phony-up, and here is Newland This is an important year for Romania and the transatlantic relationship and she's got her red coat on. As Romania celebrates 10 years in NATO, the United States is grateful for your country's commitment to our alliance and to all we have done together to support peace... This woman is stirring up trouble in Romania? Is that what you're telling me? Stand by! Freedom and democracy at home and abroad
31:27 Today, we are all watching events in Ukraine with concern and we have jointly condemned Russia's military aggression and its attempt to annex Crimea. Together, we also stand with the Ukrainian people as they seek to build a more peaceful united democratic and prosperous future Ukraine was not in a state of disarray. I mean, yeah there were protests going on yes you know there was stuff that happened but it's not like Ukraine was this horrible violent country Over the past 10 years, as NATO allies Romania and the United States have worked together in the Balkans, in Afghanistan, in the Mediterranean. We have killed a lot of people together! Good work everybody! What? The Romanians?! Are you kidding me!? And the Black Sea...
32:18 And as NATO allies, we have made a solemn commitment to each other under Article 5 of the NATO Treaty. Today I want to reaffirm to the Romanian people that the United States honors its commitments The United States stands by Romania as a friend and an ally, and we look forward to continuing to broaden and deepen the very important work that we do together. Attention Romania! You are about to be hijacked! Attention citizens of Romania stand by for trouble! Yeah thats how it goes... The nerve... And to send a message- she couldn't even go there. Ah fuck those guys lets just make a video
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Shale Gas Fracking, French Anti-Fracking Policy, Total S.A.
The geopolitical conflict in Ukraine is framed as a struggle over energy resources, specifically shale gas fields. The hosts discuss a French debate where a socialist politician argued that the crisis is a "scam" to get American gas into Europe. They note that while France has banned fracking domestically, French energy company Total S.A. continues fracking operations abroad.
33:02 Oh, she didn't go there. She just had a video in the video at one of those too much work even though you know she had her red and her face is all puffy now I don't know what's going on with that Of course A lot of this more and more i would have to say is looking like the gas angle Is really where it's at no yeah they did mention I was listening one of the rundowns how great Ukraine is and they mentioned shale gas apparently, you know they got a couple big fields there so we can start fracking. And the more I know... It's just that I was watching French 24 and when they have the debate which is really good show they have these different people in their very diverse nothing like talkers talking heads that we have and there's this socialist woman who is a communist actually and she's all over this scam that you identified with
33:53 get our gas into Europe. And she's like spotted that a mile away, but she went off on of course because the French of course have banned fracking throughout the country right essentially as there is no fracking in France and Total they only do it in England. They only do it when England they do it in Africa with black people yeah total is fracking everywhere they can but they can't do it in their own country because the French have banned it so she went off on that talking about you know why don't just ruin Yeah. I thought she had the good arguments but of course she's a communist. Do you have a clip of this woman? No, no I don't have a clip because what i was kind of focusing on and I do have a couple clips of this. Can I just play Haiku Herman really quickly he is after all the president of the... yeah play him and then I want to play I want to do a little thing on McCain okay good here's that here's a haiku Herman we spoke about recovery in Europe which is taking hold
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Transatlantic Trade Deal, Economic Hitman Scenarios, Alaska Oil Model
President Obama is using the Ukraine crisis to accelerate the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). The hosts compare the situation to an "economic hitman" scenario where the IMF forces privatization of resources. They contrast this with the Alaska model, where Sarah Palin ensured citizens received a direct share of oil revenues, a model they claim the "New World Order" seeks to dismantle in countries like Venezuela and Ecuador.
34:46 The focus now is on reinforcing economic fundamentals and on jobs. And last week saw the finishing touch of a stronger eurozone. That's where the citizens get to bail out the banks! We also spent some time discussing energy, especially energy security. What we can do together Europe's dependency on Russian gas. Our G7 energy ministers will meet on this soon. Today, together with President Obama we reconfirmed our shared commitment to an ambitious transatlantic trade deal." And so that and just to finalize that the president is now using this as I predicted This crisis to shoehorn the TTIP and get this moving although
35:35 I think it's also, you know gas is gas right? And you can trade it without actually even shipping it anywhere or you can store it and ship it later. I mean the way that works so I think if you look at Chevron and their 10 billion dollar commitment in Ukraine to frack the shale gas there essentially they're probably going sideways and grabbing it from Russia who knows I think that while we get all this export stuff teed up, we're just going to essentially grab it from Ukraine itself and sell it back to them. I think that ultimately, well that would be the way you plan this in an economic hitman scenario. Yes! You're like hey i got an idea... Bringing the IMF in there and then you have all these requirements and one of them is privatization because that way the government do it The main thing that these guys don't like and you see it in countries actually see curiously in Alaska
36:31 Where the public gets a piece of the action. Which Sarah Palin did, I might point out Yeah she managed to make it so you if you live in Alaska That idiot! Stupid stupid woman The moron nutjob who's incapable got the citizens of Alaska a piece of the action But you go to places like Ecuador where they, and you're always trying to overthrow these countries because you don't want, you want Shell and Standard Oil and Total and all these other guys took to own these gases. And the shareholders benefit from their mineral rights and all the other stuff that you steal from them in the countries. Yes. And, and these countries that Venezuela is a good example of, and they keep trying to house the new guy because
37:15 Because they gotta get somebody in there that gets, that privatizes the oil. well so you, so they stop even though they do it. The funny the irony of course and I think we can justify that some of our activities...the irony is the job they do have sharing its sucks! Yeah Venezuela doesn't shared they shared but as a piece you know it goes to certain people doesn't go to the public at large now don't do a very good job of sharing in there's that argument but but it still you know also look at if you really look at the setup And the setup is Greece. Everything has been privatized, all the... and Greece is a part of the gas transport system Cyprus You know so it seems like everything was all set up to cut off Russia
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Gazprom Ownership, BP Oligarch Conflict, Russian Isolation
The hosts trace the current animosity toward Russia back to Vladimir Putin's crackdown on oligarchs and the subsequent "screwing" of Western oil partners like BP. They argue the current strategy is to isolate Russia and cut them off from the global gas transport system as retaliation for past business conflicts.
38:03 get it in either from the Leviathan fields, from the Mediterranean or you know any way but from Russia. It's just going to be cut off this is exactly what the president is saying isolate! Just isolated! Just cut everything off! Yeah, isolate is the word he keeps using. Isolate and now so this begs the question which then it begs please... The question isn't begging its begging what Why is it Gazprom or is it Gazprom was taken over by the government? It wasn't privatized at first and then now as the government agency kind of thing, and they're running. Is this just an anti-government ownership? What's the reason we were trying to screw Russia? They play ball! No no do you remember all these guys everyone got f'ed out of their ownership All these... We had BP TNT
38:56 TNI, BP all these collaborations and the oligarchs in Russia which I'm sure Putin was a part of they screwed everybody through people in jail they took away all their shares and you do that with BP? You do that once my friend. Once! That's what happened. That that's why it was like, okay all right you know what? That's exactly what happened now watch watch what we do to you and so there you go it's tit for tat and it's always about the same thing It's about your resources and your hookers There is nothing else matters Well Russia is going to have to decide I don't know what they're gonna do Maybe they should beg for mercy
39:37 They're just in a heap of trouble, in terms of like you know the way they're gonna be cut off but they are the ones who started it. If you use that as the basis and I think you can so let's listen to John McCain who is all-in on all this. Well he just wants war! He has long term traumatic Post-traumatic stress disorder the man is he's not well in the head and it's I understand why because you know whatever happened to him In the camp. Yeah, all we can think about is killing people that's this he's sick
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John McCain's Military Assistance Demands, Intelligence Failures
Senator John McCain has called for immediate military assistance to Ukraine, claiming he predicted the invasion of Crimea. The hosts play clips from *Democracy Now!* showing that only a small fraction of the American public supports military intervention. They further challenge McCain's claim of foresight by citing a transcript where he grilled Secretary Hagel on intelligence failures regarding Russian intentions.
40:15 I feel bad for him now. He's sick. So, I want to play a couple clips one is the McCain this is the first clip was McCain and followed up this was on Democracy Now! who I believe yeah I think so and it's like he has his little speech that he gave that everyone's talking about and then there's a little follow-up but then we go to 24 and there's a French guy who's actually former Russian who used to be in the Gorbachev administration Who discusses what's really going on and how McCain is totally full of crap And I agree with him because I researched this that McCain had predicted That there was the Crimean situation, and he hadn't in fact. I've got a document want to read between clips would play this and I also speak again
41:01 in the strongest terms that we need to send military assistance to this country. We need to help them defend themselves. Russian troops are massed on the border of eastern Ukraine as we speak I don't know whether Vladimir Putin will go into eastern Ukraine, i did predict that he would going to Crimea now I believe he is watching carefully for the reaction of the West led by the United States of America. Of course in part one of our discussion Bruce Stokes you said that 6% of Americans support military intervention does that make John McCain a one-man army?
41:37 Well, it certainly means that he's got a very small choir behind him. Only about a quarter of the public would support even strong economic states. Over half the public does not want to get involved in the Ukraine so one of the challenges facing those who want to get tougher on Russia is that they have yet to convince the American public that that's in the US self-interest Yeah, and that's gonna continue. So they're gonna have to brainwash the public to get us on board apparently Tom Clancy predicted this in his book too He predicted the Russians going into Ukraine It's right there in your story In Crimea specifically? Yeah Well it was not a hard prediction to make but McCain I can't find any evidence that he made it In fact you went On 5th of March I have a transcript where he was grilling Hagel
42:36 And it's obvious that he didn't have any clue about this. He says, McCain says so despite all the media reports our intelligence sources predicted that Lavrov would invade Crimea and Hagel says I don't get into specifics on an open hearing. McCain well how about commenting on news reports? News reports are bullshit says Hegel. Well, not quite. Okay? Okay in other words if the Secretary was not predicted by our intelligence it's already been well known another massive failure because of our misreading total misreading of the intentions of Vladimir he goes on and on and there's never... he never says anything he just making everybody else look bad Wait! A politician who lies?! You kidding me So here is the Russian guy analyzing this situation
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Russian Analyst Perspective, European Union Errors, Khrushchev's 1954 Decision
A former official from the Gorbachev administration analyzes the Crimea situation, attributing the crisis to "terrible errors" by the Ukrainian elite and the European Union. He argues that forcing Ukraine to choose between Europe and Russia was a path to breaking up the society. The segment also references Mikhail Gorbachev's view that the annexation was a redress of Nikita Khrushchev’s 1954 "historic injustice" of attaching Crimea to Ukraine.
43:20 Yeah, well Senator McCain has just said that he had predicted that Putin would go into Crimea I think that in this sense maybe he knew about that before Putin himself because three months ago, Putin didn't have an idea at all of going into Crimea. In a way, Crimea has fallen into his hands as a fruit and as a result of quite a succession of, I would say terrible errors that have been made first by the Ukrainian elite corrupted and delegitimized since already the time of the first Orange Revolution. And then I would say a completely
44:10 erroneous handling of the Ukrainian case by the European Union. And here I would support what Jacob has just said, Ukraine being a kind of decomposite country representing the diversity of peoples. It's not a people or the people yet, maybe you are having the diversity of it and let's not forget about the people of Crimea and so to put Ukraine before any possible choice either Europe or Russia
44:49 That was the direct road to tearing or to breaking up this society. And actually, what makes me very concerned is that this approach approaches or let's say it's moving the situation closer to the analogy with Yugoslavia. Oh where we bomb people into freedom? Yeah, there's that. And now this guy I do have a second follow-up clip to this This guy is kind of interesting and he does have another analysis here which i think is... Who is he again? Who was this guy? He is a former minister in during Gorbachev administration I believe he is now just in France I think it's French now they can barely speak English but he's one of the analysts they bring on Van Cat every so often to discuss Russian stuff
45:39 And I don't have his name unfortunately, but I like him. Yeah He's sitting me. I should watch you know well You know I don't have to watch as you watched it for us. I watched that one yeah I'd like this stuff on there But anyway this guy he has another Follow-up analysis later in the in the program that's interesting at the moment when Putin not yet thinking about invading Crimea has suggested to the European Union and a three-party formula to handle the case of European rapprochement with the European Union, it was rejected. Then next time when Europe in a way in the eyes of Putin had betrayed him was at that time when an agreement was reached in Kiev about a transition period where all of Ukrainian society would have time to prepare for elections
46:31 Well, it didn't stand half an hour before it was rejected by Maidan. So when we are speaking about the necessity for the Ukrainian people to make a choice let's make sure that we are not meaning Maidan people who has still to get the legitimization of the whole Ukrainian society. Let's be more inclusive, I can't let you get away without asking you about what your former boss said Mikhail Gorbachev who says that it was a redress of Soviet era mistake Russia taking over Crimea
47:08 Well, Gorbachev being half Russian and half Ukrainian you can imagine that this is a terrible choice for him but like many Russians and many Crimeans he was living as a kind of historic injustice the fact that Crimea has been attached to Ukraine. But at that time which the decision which was made by Khrushchev in 54 Crimea could, why not become part of Ukraine because both Ukraine, Crimea and Russia were all Soviet. You know if only in schools we would stop beating the stem bullcrap bush and teach our kids some modern history
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Maidan Protests, Hillary Clinton's Long Game, John Kerry "Hatchet Man"
The hosts discuss the Maidan protests, alleging they were orchestrated by the U.S. State Department. They posit that Hillary Clinton spent her tenure as Secretary of State setting up pipeline routes and oil alliances in Georgia and Baku. John Kerry is characterized as the "hatchet man" executing the final stages of this "long game" to secure energy dominance before a potential Clinton presidency.
47:53 Yeah, it wouldn't be useful. It would be very useful to summarize what he said He said and I remember you remember this we both remember this Putin said because the Ukrainians did a deal with with Europe Mm-hmm and Putin said yes And they would do this it was he said why not have a try a tripod? You guys can do the deal in the most state stay partisan We'll give you some money and all the rest of it and then now the Europeans said no into my Dan Which is of course that riots that took place that were orchestrated by the United States State Department from what I can tell yeah Yeah. Were the troublemakers and you know there's another little side bit here that I picked up here in there is that apparently the Crimeans, and they talk about the Crimean Republic, they were on their way to independence
48:36 outside of this entire... Yeah, well they were already autonomous. And they were semi-autonomous but they were on their way to independence and there was the point that somebody made that they were following every single rule that the UN had set down for autonomy if a country wants to split off. There's a bunch of apparently international rules and they were following them through the letter but nobody ever brings this up it is the whole thing is just ludicrous Anyway, yeah this guy was good. Well it's all we need to really realize if this is about one thing and one thing only it's about Putin screwing our Carbon our oil and gas companies the end you know now that everything is set We got our watermelon head guy in the in the State Department the skull on bones Yaley carry
49:30 with the neocons. It's just, okay we're just gonna do exactly what we should have done earlier but you know how he let Barack do his little thingamabobby? We could have done this earlier but it would've been too obvious No no when I look at the grand picture Hillary Clinton was setting all of this up she was more Baku and in Georgia, and in all the pipeline routes and the oil states than anywhere else setting everything up. But of course she doesn't want to you know she wants doesn't want to be directly responsible so she hands it off to Kerry who is kind of like he's like a dumb warrior you know but you give him the pole. He's the hatchet man. Yeah hatchet man thank you go I will go into it like Lurch
50:19 And then once that's all set, it'll take a couple years. You know we get our oil our gas exports everything set up She's gonna jump right in she'll be president and she'll be ruling the Empire yeah, no It's a perfect set of gorgeous. Yeah, it's long game well-played madam But who is it that sent an email in criticizing you for saying oh Carrie? What's that? No, no. That was the O-Bot saying you can't call Kerry dumb. I'm just losing my... Your mind? Losing my mind! Well on that note John i'd like to thank you for your courage and wish you a very happy in the morning
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Value-for-Value Model, Executive Producer Credits, Digital Preppers Book
The hosts thank their "producers" (listeners) for supporting the show's ad-free model. They acknowledge high-level donations from Brad King and Christopher Kilgore. Adam Curry mentions he is working on an outline for a "Digital Preppers" book based on listener feedback. The segment includes "de-douching" rituals and birthday shout-outs for listeners.
51:02 In the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all the ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and all the knights out there. And of course our artist thank you very much Martin JJ he did it once again with the art for episode 602 NoahJennerArtGenerator.com is where you can find all the submissions and in the morning there chat room, noahjennerstream.com, noahjennerchat.net Thank you for standing by and helping us get through our live show We do this program live on Sundays And on Thursdays 9 a.m. Gitmo Nation West time in the morning And of course none of this type of analysis... And in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all... oh I'm sorry. None of this analysis would be possible if we well it you don't see this on mainstream or commercial media because advertisers would not stand for it no they would not stand for this type of talk and subsidiaries and not just that everyone has a stake in this
52:02 We have no stake, therefore no agenda. So the only way we can keep going is through your support of the program and we always thank our producers that's what our listeners are they produce in many ways and of course when you come in at the two or three hundred dollar levels you can become an associate executive producer or executive producer for an episode And just like Hollywood we give you a real credit for that unlike those phonies in Hollywood will vouch for the credit Yeah, we do have a few executive and associate executive producers who saved the show because we have quite a few actually three in four and four Which is another balanced show starting with Brad King $350.05 who writes and I value your time? I value your time more than most so just a single simple Thank You
52:51 He's kind of throwing it to the others to shorten their notes. Take a day off for Easter and the same to everyone running this stream dead or error rules. It happens, yeah does it? Not really a good idea I appreciate the links and tips on the home email server I'm good but shit it looks hard Adams had got a book he's gonna do you know it I have a book that gets finished. I've received so much feedback on this digital preppers book Yeah, that I have actually started an outline and starting to work on it and people are really into it They say they buy the book I'd by the book but we will have to be a giblet
53:35 It'll be an e-book. Yeah, giblet! You can... well actually you might go there I'll yeah you can do it Well, you're the book man is it? I just want to take your if I follow your advice I know that I'll write a great book If it ever gets published, never gets finished. I didn't say it would get finished Christopher Gilgout in Coquitlam Which is a little town, it's one of those Indian named towns and it isn't BC instead of Washington State which most of them are. 34567 which I really like that donation amount 345 dot 67. Nice yeah nice And he just sends another short note He says the truth never lies but when it does it lies somewhere in between Hmm...and he also says at the bottom as kind of PS Karma gratefully accepted Okay and hand it out
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55:19 Yeah, he didn't send the picture. Thanks for the entertainment and the value-for-value service that you provide keep up with good work and I get a de-douching Atlas Shrugged and Huntsman Absolutely You've been de-douched By Ayn Rand You've got karma And by the way, the sound effect is always done live by John What? That sound effect. It's always done live. What are you talking about? Okay, let's play it again. It sounds different every time! Sounds the same to me
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Bettendorf Iowa, Google Fiber Privacy, MILF Photo Submission
A donation from Bettendorf, Iowa, prompts a discussion about the town's history and its municipal gigabit Ethernet. Dvorak recalls an April Fool's column he wrote about Sioux City changing its name to Gateway City. The hosts also discuss the privacy implications of "free" Google Fiber in Austin and acknowledge a photo submission from a listener's wife.
56:07 Dennis goad three three three three from Bettendorf, Iowa He's made email a note which I have here nice indoors by the way is an interesting place It's a kind of a middle-of-nowhere places got gigabit Ethernet that I believe this city put in oh really yeah. It's all gigabit and it's like you know instead of Google or anybody else doing in this I think it's a great idea. Everyone here in Austin is so excited about their free Google Fiber! It's not going to be free? Oh yes sir, oh yes! Yes sir it is FREE! That if you allow them to track you... Oh well screw that! Yeah no everyone's all-in. Oh I don't have nothing to hide?! Anyway Bettendorf's interesting because I wrote a column years ago
56:54 In PC computing is when I'm one of my April Fool's columns that usually get some attention. It used to be hilarious It used to be hilarious and then the internet ruined it. So this one was about how Sioux City, Iowa is gonna change its name to Gateway City because of the gateway 2000 computer company being there and they were buying city name Was that the cow computer? Is that gone now? Is that dead? They're they were bought by a sir or somebody Whatever the case it got in the newspaper on the front page of the local Sioux City Times or whatever it was, right above the fold about the denial by the city council that they're changing their name. This town Bettendorf is maybe one of the earliest examples of a town that did change its name from at the time Gilbert Iowa to Bettendorf because there was the Bettendorf coach works where some
57:52 little company that came and said yeah we'll uh move in and take our fact bring our factories in there but you gotta change the name of the town to us So this is not unprecedented to change the name of the town. That's a nice name, Bettendorf? Yeah I guess...I think the company went long since out of business anyway he writes in I'm a first-time donor longtime boner thanks for all your hard work and making truly the best podcast in universe my conscience can't handle freeloading for another show as and am long overdue in fulfilling my end of the value for value contract NA is a bit of a family affair in our house since my wife and kids often overhear the show while I listen. My two little girls shout, In the morning! Each time they hear it played. My wife makes fun of me because i'm always referencing the two of you as The Guys. As if you were friends that I speak on with on a daily basis. Like we're hanging out having beers
58:49 I just found my first donation towards knighthood of 3333 every time Adam asks for photos of hot women. I crack up probably because i do the same so, I figured I'd include a fun photo of my MILF wife." Did you see the photo? Yeah! Excellent and she's funny...I love it she like-she has no problem just lifting up her shirt yeah Here for the guys. Can I get a de-douching for myself, karma for all the no agenda listeners and a big in the morning from my girls? Absolutely You've been dedouched you've got karma And i would just like to add uh... I'll add a milf to that That's one mother I'd like to f*** And I would prefer us to be referenced as The Boys
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Listener Donations, Mac and Cheese Karma, Claudia Gerber Search
The hosts read through various donations from Red Oak, Texas, and Wisconsin. A segment is dedicated to trying to find a missing note from donor Claudia Gerber, with the hosts expressing concern that they missed a specific request for her husband. They offer "human resource karma" for a listener's upcoming marriage.
59:42 The boys. Instead of the guys, I think the boys. The boys is better. The boys were saying this about Putin! Bill... in Glen Rock, New Jersey 23333. Feels great to contribute and support the value for value model on this show because it provides a valuable service to the public." This pre-donation clip was hilarious! I don't remember which one that was but it was on the last show I guess. Yeah, I think it was one of yours couple shows ago. Steve Carr $201.01 in Red Rock Texas No note that I can find here. Claudia Gerber? It's red oak.
1:00:19 What'd I say? Red Rock. Oh, red oak yes oh actually because the rock was...I can see how that happened and finally Claudia Gerber not finally second to last is Claudia Gerber Lisbon Ohio $200 and Matt Ash Hold on she had a note Do you have it? Yeah i'm pretty sure I do um I sent it I don't want to bitch or anything hold on a second Yeah, it was very important actually that we read this. Let's find it It's in the me mail I am looking I'm looking and I wasn't prepared for this Claudia right here it is what's her name Claudia Gerber? No This is not the right one crap. I have one here But it doesn't just a notation of donation received. I was pretty sure that
1:01:10 She... there was something it was for her husband. That's why I'm feeling crappy Go on read the next one, and i'll look for it Okay but I don't have in my box Alright where am I? Oh I've got to move this spreadsheet Let me go back All right, we'll get back to Claudia in one way or another. Matt Astbury and Wawatosa, Wawatosa, Wawatosa in Wisconsin $200 been a boner too long your show is as critical as oxygen or even CO2 please throw me a mac and cheese funky version and some new human resource karma for my dame to be coming in June
1:01:53 Okay, what is that? What is the funky version I guess? Mac and cheese slaves you gotta do that one. Karma. I can do that one too. You slaves can get us the mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheese. Mac and Cheese! I really feel bad about this Claudia email and i have a real bad feeling that this was like for her husband and now, this is not going well. You're not finding it? No! Maybe I'm wrong? It might be then why don't you go look in your outbox and see if you sent it over That's what I'm looking at...I can't find..I don't understand! Ummm....I dunno. I dont have anything here at all Well... Here's one Nope
1:02:48 Just have the guy to different. No I sent Eric two things and he did both of them, so I don't know well Claudia We'll find it will fix it yeah, we'll find it will fix it of course was that it are we done? Yeah That would be it for show five or five six oh three and want to remind people go to Dvorak org slash na ChannelDvorak.com slash NA no agenda show or no agenda nation is a donate button there to help us out on 604 which is coming up on Sunday this show we had a good amount, we had the right amount of executive producers but after you'll see in the everything else fall off and I think I know the reason why yeah because you haven't opened up the club people need the club that's why it's not that they're doing right you know what the reason is?
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Bill Clinton Health Topic Retirement, No Agenda Player, Clip Shows
Adam and John decide to retire the topic of Bill Clinton's health and the "Hillary killing Bill" theory, noting that it was too "severe" and caused a drop-off in listener engagement. They promote the "No Agenda Player" website created by a producer named Ramsey, which allows users to search the show by topic and timestamp.
1:03:30 I think, well people really enjoy us deconstructing news stories. I think the Hillary killing Bill thing is depressing to everybody and i think we just have to drop it as a topic We made our point and I think were done with it Really? Yeah! I noticed this because of the show The drop off after the show last Sunday where we discussed in detail was obvious and as I mentioned in the newsletter, and the newsletter talks about it even more. And we've talked about it enough. The newsletter failed huh? I think the newsletter failed because it was too...I think that discussion of the bill health and all the rest of it is just to severe. It's pushing it a little bit far
1:04:12 And I don't think it's really our necessary model. This is like an extension of analysis that really is not based on anything except supposition and I just, I think it bothers people. I'm willing to play along Yeah so we don't need to talk about that anymore which is but we've made our statement! We have. And when something happens you know what happens or doesn't happen... We also got a note from I think was it Ramsey? I think he said please plug noagendaplayer.com which we haven't done in a while and indeed this is it is a fine website no agenda player dot com you go to that site and has a rundown of topics yeah of each episode you click on it goes right to that topic in the show. Yeah Ramsey here is the guy who does this No Agenda CDs.com yeah, and he will be doing our clip show. He's going do the clips showing his gonna probably do a second clip show for later in the year
1:05:04 And I've talked him into doing some theme shows that we can use as giveaways or whatever. That would be about one topic What do you mean, giveaways? Well you know either give them away or sell them or put em on... Sell them! What is this not PES? Give it away, sell it Well, what would you suggest? Just as a primer. We need more... Okay well that would be fine too Whatever we do with them which will be of valuable resource for us Yes it'll be valuable He says there are still topics that were dropped into various shows and he can't find a couple of them Oh okay And so he needs that site that you decided to make a little bit more robust
1:05:55 So he can use it as a resource. You can also go to search dot NA show notes calm that That does a pretty good job of searching across all the show notes searched on yeah, but not same as the clips But the clip clips from a three-hour show I know understand but sometimes The topic will be in the show where the clip and then there's then if there's It's a way to find out an episode number. I use it for the very same reason. Yeah, I'm using it for the episode number plus... Alright everybody thank you so much to our executive producers and associate executive producers for keeping this show on the air once again. And please continue to go out there and do the very important work of propagating our formula! Our formula is this we go out
CHAPTER 24 / 55Discussion
Greek Independence Day, Lord's Resistance Army, Joseph Kony Hunt
President Obama issued a proclamation for Greek Independence Day and extended the War Powers Act to deploy 150 additional personnel to assist in the hunt for Joseph Kony. The hosts question why the official notification to Congress uses "approximate" numbers (280 personnel) rather than an exact count.
1:06:43 We hit people in the mouth. Just listening to the stream, who the hell is Christopher Gilgout? The name is Christopher Kilgore! The Americanized version of the name is Kill Gore also named a town in Texas I use the original Scottish spelling Chris Kilgore. Hey we're sorry Oh yeah. Yeah, sorry Chris. Hey man we're sorry. Hey by President's your proclamation today we were talking about it just earlier uh hey everybody on the stream he's listening on the stream everybody by presidential proclamation happy Greek Independence Day how is that working out over there? God love it
1:07:51 I also saw that the president extended under the War Powers Act, is that it? I think is. War Powers Act, sounds right We sent another 150 dudes personnel to fight...I'm sorry To assist in finding The Lord's Resistance Army Yes, I have a clip And we will play this clip after I ask you a question Here's the President sends us He had a question for you Well can I ask a question for you first and then we'll play the clip? Yes, then i'll ask you the question. So the president sends this note to Congress and he says the total number of U.S military personnel deployed to the central African region for this mission is now approximately 280. Here's my question... if it's only 280, is that hard to get the exact number how why is it approximate
1:08:52 Why didn't you just give me the number? Do we not know, we can't keep track of people that he... He can't call Hagel and say how many people and Hagel looks at the spreadsheet and says 283. I have no idea that's a good catch All right, that was my question. You have no idea good work Let's play your clip the u.s Has sent a deployment of soldiers and military aircraft to Uganda in acclaimed effort to assist in the hunt for rebel warlord Joseph Kony The african union has led a campaign To defeat koney and his lord's resistance army A group of notorious uh a group that's notorious for kidnapping children forcing boys to become fighters And using girls as sex slaves
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Kony 2012 Retrospective, NSA Tracking Capabilities, Uganda LGBT Law
The hosts revisit the "Kony 2012" viral phenomenon, labeling it a "hype of incredible magnitude." They question why the NSA and U.S. intelligence, with their vast satellite and RFID tracking capabilities, have not captured Kony if he is down to only 40 followers. They suggest the military mission in Uganda is a cover for other regional interests.
1:09:33 The Washington Post reports the US has sent around 150 special forces and four military aircraft. The US soldiers are ordered not to engage in combat unless in self-defense, the Obama administration says that deployment won't affect a review of U.S ties with Uganda following the country's enactment of an anti LGBT law last month. Okay! What is your question? Well, let's see this Kony thing started it become popular. I mean this guy has been around for a long time but it became popular in 2012 which is
1:10:10 Resulted in that phony movie and the Kony 2012 thing. Let's revisit that properly because it was an internet sensation Yes, everyone what it was a hype of incredible magnitude And I we still believe the YouTube numbers were faked or phonied yeah They're about it, and then this guy who was running the Kony 2012 The whole program the nonprofit freaked out and started running around naked jumping on cars, and that was kind of the end of the whole thing. Yeah That was funny bring that guy back It's a very funny episode especially for our show Yes bring him back Now
1:10:52 Let's say they wanted to get this guy, Coney. And he is out there floating around Don't we have enough? I mean with the NSA spying on every single American knowing where you are and tracking you around the area with RFID and everything else How come haven't like spotted figured out where... The exact location of this Joker From satellite data and some intelligence sources Why don't we know right now exactly where he is and why not just go in and grab him Well the answer is of course, if he's still alive we know exactly where he is. This mission isn't about Coney at all it's something else that going on obviously! There some dig or some exploration or something has nothing to do with this guy who gives a crap?
1:11:39 Who cares? He's enslaving little boys and girls. No, he's not doing that anymore The latest reports or the most recent reports have him down to 40 guys walking around in some jungle they don't mean This is clearly about something else fighter jets Fighter jets to find a guy in the jungle please do not insult my intelligence has nothing to do with Kony No. I'm disappointed that you feel that way, Coney must be stopped! Now the LGBT or LGBTQQIAP angle is interesting in this case The president is on his way now to Saudi Arabia and I would like to revisit something the President said on The Tonight Show when Jay Leno was almost done hosting it
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Saudi Arabia LGBT Hypocrisy, American Apparel Principle Six Scam
President Obama's visit to Saudi Arabia is criticized as hypocritical given his public stance on LGBTQ rights, as homosexual conduct is punishable by death in the Kingdom. Additionally, the hosts call out American Apparel for refusing to disclose how much money was actually raised for Russian LGBT advocates through their "Principle Six" clothing line.
1:12:31 in regards to Putin, and LGBTQIAAP. And I have no patience for countries that try to treat gays or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or harmful to them Well that's really strange because in Saudi Arabia homosexual conduct is punishable by death And gays are often banned from schools, thrown in jail, whipped. So how can he go there? Well I don't know! I think we should either write a letter to the White House and ask! Hypocrite douche! Oh you did that and you just figured this out... I just wanted to point it out and while i'm on that
1:13:22 You'll recall that American Apparel and the All Out organization were selling these sweatshirts and t-shirts and all this stuff for LGBT advocates in Russia during the Olympics. What was it called? Project 6 or what was it called? Principle Six. Making money. They are refusing to Tell anyone how much money they have sent if any. Oh, this was supposed to be like a quasi charity deal? Yeah! So you buy a sweatshirt and so much money is given to the cause... And they have not published it they refuse to publish it They've been there being asked- Not another scam?! Yeah but its American Apparel do not buy anything from these A-holes
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Chelsea Clinton Diarrhea Obsession, Haiti UN Cholera Scandal
In a television interview, Chelsea Clinton stated she is "obsessed with diarrhea" due to the high global child mortality rate from dehydration. The hosts criticize the Clinton family's involvement in Haiti, noting that billions in aid went missing and that UN peacekeepers were responsible for introducing a deadly cholera outbreak to the country.
1:14:12 This is, this is the whole... all these nonprofits all this stuff. NGOs non-profits charities Haiti yeah the whole thing it's all being used. It never ends that what funny about if you want to call a humorous Yeah its sad on Haiti actually have something here's something really humorous hold on second where is it was an interview with Chelsea Clinton And my mind boggled over this little, I think she knows the girl that was interviewing her. It was for some women's cable show not quite sure what it is and The whole well it just mind-boggling and you'll understand why? I hear you are obsessed with diarrhea. I am obsessed with diarrhea Why? I'm so diarrhea because in the 21st century I think it's completely unacceptable that
1:15:07 Still, across the world more than 750 thousand children die every year due to severe dehydration and diarrhea. Hey Chelsea! Why not ask your dad Bill about the Haitians who have diarrhea who he has stolen the money from that we had all these big doohas and big charity balls for? The billions of dollars that never made it there And then the UN gave them poop-it out disease And they have diarrhea! They're dying from diarrhea if you're so obsessed. These people make me mad. Are you done? Yeah That's a good catch though
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LGBTQQIAAP Terminology, Fox News Slurs, New York Times Linguistics
The hosts discuss the expanding acronym for the LGBT community, now cited as LGBTQQIAAP (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Bicurious, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Allied, and Pansexual). They note a *New York Times* piece claiming the word "homosexual" is now considered a derogatory slur, while Fox News continues to use the term.
1:15:50 Not a clip of the day though. No, no you want the clip of it? I think that actually now how i think about that was a crappy clip. Let me just clear out my palette cleanse out the palette I'll do my final LGBTQQIAAP and by the way people that is the full abbreviation Let me write it down. I always forget it and you just let it rolls off the tip of your tongue what is it? L-G-B-T QQIAAP stands for LG what, LGB follow me lesbian gay bisexual bicurious transgendered queer questioning intersex asexual allied and pansexual
1:16:38 So it's LGBBTQQIAAP. Correct sir! Fox News by the way is still using the word homosexual which now has become a slur so H is not in there no in fact homosexual is a slur yes sir yes sir beauty yeah wow yes if you don't say LGBT which is why I like saying LGBTQQIAAP then you and use it if used the word homosexual then the New York Times is now wrote a piece exploring the quote often derogatory connotation of the term homosexual. Yeah, I'm not kidding you can't say homosexual anymore then your Fox so Joe and they just never let oh no this who needs like you might as well just speak Chinese or Wellian yeah so Joe Biden
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Joe Biden 2016 Ambitions, ENDA Legislation, Red Herring Politics
Vice President Joe Biden is seen as pandering for 2016 votes by advocating for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). The hosts characterize ENDA as a "red herring" that has failed to pass for 20 years. They argue that existing civil rights laws are sufficient and that new legislation would only lead to an explosion of frivolous lawsuits against businesses.
1:17:38 really believes he's got a shot at this 2016 presidency. You do you just think about it for a minute, you've watched Joe uh-huh Do you think that he I mean and he has run before did you ever think that he didn't think that he has a shot? just by the way he carries himself. No, in fact I believe he thinks he's the president right now whenever Barack is overseas Joe's walking around strutting his stuff He does all the important meetings and so someone said to Joe Hey Joe! Hey Joe! I got an idea You need to hop on this LGBTQQIAAP bandwagon baby you gotta get on it
1:18:27 Because that's where the votes are. It's a gravy train, I know! Go speak at that human rights convention thing where all the people come out as gay and... Oh i'm sorry, homosexuals, oh i'm sorry LGBTQQIAP And say something really really righty. There is alot of progress in a relatively short time after this fight has begun but guess what? There's so much more to be done. My grandkids, my children and their kids are going to be shocked it shocks the conscience that this very moment in American history in some states an employer can fire you just because of who you are or who you love It's close to barbaric I mean think about it Barbaric? No I really mean this Imagine imagine 20 years from now
1:19:23 as American look back and say how in the hell could that have ever been allowed? The country's moved on. The American people have moved on it's time for the Congress to move out and pass ENDA, pass ENDA now! Give me a double enda Joe So what Joe is talking about is the ENDA, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which for the first time was introduced in 1994 20 years ago and this thing will never pass. It is a red herring white elephant whatever you want to call it because no one if I were running a company I wouldn't want this there's plenty of non discrimination civil rights laws on the books but now someone could say you fired me because I'm gay
1:20:15 I'm sorry, LGBTQIAP. No one in their right mind wants this which is why it's never passed and now Joe is pandering to the community. Passenda! Come on 1994 this thing every single time they try it everyone says oh well it's the stupid Congress these must be the Republicans It's the Republicans. Yeah, just blame them for it. It's the Republicans who do it Those damn Republicans But if you have ever had your a company... You don't want this! You DO NOT WANT THIS No, the lawsuits are already out of control with what the law is on the books already And this kind of brings me to uh and then This is really big here in Texas This Hobby Lobby thing that is now at the Supreme Court and I think it's important regardless on where you might stand
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Hobby Lobby Supreme Court Case, Plan B Contraception, Religious Freedom
The Supreme Court is hearing arguments regarding Hobby Lobby's objection to providing four specific types of emergency contraception (Plan B and Ella) under the Affordable Care Act. The private, family-owned corporation argues that these methods violate their biblical beliefs regarding the beginning of life. The hosts clarify that the company still provides 16 other forms of birth control.
1:21:12 On the issue, it's important to understand the issue itself and to understand the language that is being used by politicians. Cecile Richards runs Planned Parenthood She really takes the cake and I just want to see if i can explain it very simply. The Hobby Lobby is a private corporation It's very successful, and it's like a trinket store you buy stuff for your hobby, whatever you're pasting or doing. Like a Michaels? I have no idea what a Michaels is. Is this like a Joannes? Probably
1:21:49 and it's a, and they are... You don't go to these places. You never been to a hobby? Well the reason why I'm bringing this up is Mickey always went to Hobby Lobby and she stopped going she said because you know they're denying women's health care and I said what?! You know, now it's politically incorrect to say you shop at Hobby Lobby. And I said let me just revisit and tell you because she was... She is just hearing what is being said on NPR and we need to bring up this topic here so people can understand what is going on here. So under the Affordable Care Act they are... This is an extortion racket! Well, well, it has multiple sides to it
1:22:28 Under the Affordable Care Act, they are providing all of their employees with health care and there are 16 or I'm sorry 20 contraceptive methods and products that they are required to carry under the Affordable Care Act. Four of them so 16 they say okay no problem Four of them they disagree with and they all fall. I think under the kind of the plan B Category and plan B is a product which you can buy over-the-counter It is the morning after pill if you will so if you think that you may have conceived Then you take this product are you 486 and it what? Oh
1:23:15 That's what it is. Yeah, so if you think you may have conceived the next morning and for I think three days you take this pill and it's a boost of hormones and any sperm meeting an egg...it all dissolves which by their standards they feel that as a form of abortion If you take into account that life begins at conception Now that is the whole basis for what they are saying we under our, and their private company not a public company. They're very religious and it's well known that they run their corporation to biblical standards they say it on their website. They say hey you know we should be able to not provide that. And the interesting thing about this is they're not saying you can't go out and buy yourself
1:24:07 You can go and spend 30 bucks or whatever, it may cost more I have no idea. And get it yourself that you know It's not about your health care per se but is it? That's really the question that is now before the Supreme Court But here's how it is being discussed on television So here's Cecile Richards daughter of Ann Richards who was governor of The Great State Of Texas The last Democratic Governor And just listen to the words she uses, she's from Planned Parenthood. And I disagree with the framing of the argument. The argument is an interesting one to have but the words they use are bullshit. Now they're taking this fight to a whole new level arguing that corporations should be given a free pass to discriminate against women and deny them access to basic health care. Now couple things with this statement 1
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Corporate Personhood, Planned Parenthood Rhetoric, Media Echo Chambers
Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards is criticized for framing the Hobby Lobby case as a "war on women" and comparing it to anti-gay legislation in Arizona. The hosts discuss the legal reality of corporate personhood and point out that many mainstream media outlets, including CNN and the *Chicago Tribune*, are using identical "echo chamber" phrasing to attack the company.
1:24:58 Throughout American law, everywhere the word person or persons is used it always includes corporations groups anything. So I don't understand why in this case it wouldn't Because you know when Mitt Romney said corporations are people my friend. He was telling the truth Every single law we've looked at if you look at the sanctions against Russia it says persons and it's always stipulates persons are Individuals human beings corporations groups anything that that is a corporation in American law is a person basic health care
1:25:41 I have to say basic health care in my book would include dental healthcare, which is really not a part of the Affordable Care Act. Dental healthcare if you have a crappy mouth that can ruin the rest of your health yet no one complains about dental healthcare ever and it's not in Medicare. Medicare doesn't cover even the cost of dental health care but yet now it's female reproductive basic healthcare where there are 16 other contraceptive methods that are okay with this company? If this sounds familiar, it's because these are the same insidious views we've heard from business owners in Arizona who wanted to refuse services to members of the LGBT community. There you go! It's just like hating gays! That's what it is! No Cecile Richards no! No...it is nowhere near the same But if you open your doors for general public
1:26:39 You don't get to pick and choose who you serve, just like a corporation shouldn't get to pick and choose which laws to... One other point that I think is very important. By the way they're taking this to the court, to the Supreme Court because they object to the law! You're allowed to petition your government on that They didn't say we're not following the law They said they object to it Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, you are entitled to your own opinions but not entitled to your own facts Just throwing some science crap. The woman is off her rocker! A major medical institution confirms that birth control prevents pregnancy from happening in the first place it does not end pregnancy well yeah but you know stop it for a second this why you were doing that I was doing a search mm-hmm took a random sentence from the New Yorker article with a headline Arizona's and again anti gay bill lives on in Hobby Lobby
1:27:34 that search for this sentence found the same exact article rewritten by the classic media outlets you'd expect and I'm gonna name a few of them besides The New Yorker, CNN had the same article. National Post has the same article with its headline Arizona passes bill letting people refuse service to gays but it was about this gay rights activist in LA Times Chicago Tribune America blog It's just a whole there's an article that say opposite bitching about it, but she was in the same phrasing Daily Beast so what you know so this she's winning this war in terms of the mainstream media Absolutely and You can't eat. This is why this conversation Is rarely held in a kind of an objective manner?
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War on Religion, Reproductive Healthcare Definitions, Senator Patty Murray
The hosts argue that the Hobby Lobby controversy is actually a "war on religion" rather than a denial of healthcare, as employees can still purchase the contested products independently. They play a clip of Senator Patty Murray claiming that corporate religious rights should not "trump" employee rights, which the hosts view as an attack on private property and belief.
1:28:27 And this is also a war on belief, a war on religion. Because obviously if you believe in anything you're crazy! Unless of course your Muslim then that's all good... But I find validity in the argument And I'm okay with the argument, with people having the argument but saying things like you're blocking access to health care is just not true. Denying it? Denying it because anyone can go out... No you're no denying it! You're just not giving them money for it. Yeah for this one piece of it
1:29:07 That's all. It is not like, oh you can't have health care. And the fact that the CEOs of these corporations wrongly believe that some birth control methods are a form of abortion is just further support for the fact we're all better off when we leave medical decisions to a woman and her doctor not her boss or politicians So they say so what she's saying you tell she's saying that if you work there I guess is for the employees and you wanted to You wanted to get an abortion. They'll tie you down and beat you or something I mean because they're denying you that possibility well, you can't do it You can't do if you worked every because this contract just signed means you can't do no what she's saying yeah That's what that's a step. That's what she's communicating It's not true
1:30:00 No, and to me the... no. Exactly this is and I believe it's a war on religion if anything i think that's really what this about and it comes down too uh... as far as i understand it plan b is not seen obviously as in abortive product but it is something you take after the fact and contraception do we have a definition of the word contraception? Shouldn't contraception at all times be used before coitus Yes, I would think because I think contra means. I think that we look at the definition We broke the word down the deliberate use of article artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse Doesn't really say you have to use it before deliberate prevention of conception or impregnation
1:30:54 by any of various drugs. This is why we need smart people in dresses to figure it out for us, I guess. Well... It's a hard one. Here's Senator Murray with her view. So a corporation or their shareholders' religious rights trump the right of employees. And this is something she's saying here, the only shareholders are the owners. This is not a public company it's a private company and the shareholders are the family, the Green family I think
1:31:48 So now she's making it look like Big Evil Corporation when this is really an American success story. and it's their choice, not their employer's choice. As sitting in that court today it was stunning to me to recognize that nine people are going make that decision and will decide for a long time to come whether women have to question when they go to work every day what the shareholders of that company's religious views could be." It's a war on religion! And this is happening everywhere with science particularly. Yeah, well science as we had a lot
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Science as Religion, Computer Modeling Fallacies, Global Warming Faith
A discussion on STEM education evolves into a critique of "science as religion," where consensus is treated as an article of faith. The hosts argue that computer models are being misused to establish "facts" about global warming rather than as tools for research. They cite an MIT professor's warning that modeling should not be confused with scientific thesis.
1:32:38 Our producers point out is the way they're presenting it as a religion. You have to have faith in it, you have to trust that science is fact. It's funny I've had an ongoing email conversation with the brain professor ever since our OBOT dinner Yeah and what was the premise for the conversation? Well it started with about STEM and all right well you jumped on it right yeah I showed him a Stanford research that says hey America's not all that dumb. And it kind of moved over to global warming
1:33:17 And he brought it up and was like, you know I believe in this and I know you don't but it's crazy to think that a 2,000 year old book would have precedence over science. First of all, excuse me since when do you think who do you think I am? By the way cherry-picking science is what Bible thumpers say about cherry picking from the Bible so they kind of went on and on And as it progresses, it's very interesting. I'm just going to paraphrase because the email has been pretty long He is kind of really backpedaling and saying well you know scientists often present stuff as fact and we're only humans too We feel embarrassed if were wrong like holy crap
1:34:03 You know there was a thing, I didn't clip it but there was a thing on C-SPAN with a professor of some computer science and he was a PhD in something or other and he's giving his speech. I think is out at MIT somebody may have seen this. He was giving a speech on essentially... It was never about global warming but it was about global warming because he was discussing taking computer modeling and using it as a scientific basis, as a fact in the scientific thesis. He says you're... It's always a bad idea! It never works out that computer models are generally
1:34:39 used to kind of fool around, you know. You create a computer model and you use it so you can kind of maybe point yourself in the right direction and get to some place where you can put together another thesis but it's used by the global warming... To extend the research? To get to the next spot? To adjust the models or come out with new ones? But they what they're doing is they've already established what they do They use it to establish the global warming fact Exactly, exactly. And that's what everyone is all in on and what's funny is that most of the people that are all-in on this or none of them are climatologists I remember we had this clip just one time where Joy Behar was ranting about Rush Limbaugh not being a
1:35:21 warmest he was a it was thinks it was a hoax and she was going on with how who does he think he is? He's not a climatologist. Who does she think she is I mean the whole, its all these people they're all just knee-jerk liberals and hate to use that word but I think it's better than libs who have bought into this as an article of faith and that's exactly what it is, it's a religion. And what's interesting is the professor said well you know as a scientist I trust my colleagues And I'm like, okay. Because you know he was... He literally fucked up he said nearly every other scientist believes in this and I said what does that mean? Like only 50% or less than 50 percent because nearly every other would be like one no one No You know and do that to a math guy they go nuts. They couldn't believe if he messed that one up
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STEM Education Critique, Teacher Certification, Corporate Slave Training
A listener who is a teacher-in-training provides an insider perspective on the STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) focus in universities. The hosts argue that tech giants like Dell and Microsoft promote STEM to create a surplus of "American slaves" and avoid paying for H1-B visas, while failing to value the artistic and poetic nature of great programming.
1:36:17 And I said, you know what isn't it the 3% that aren't all in that are interesting to listen to? Isn't always the single lone guy. You know this says hey the flat-the earth ain't flat! Anyway this all came from a conversation about STEM and it's because I sent him a link to something one of our producers had emailed me about which I need to share with us This is from Mad Tom First off, out of my credentials I returned to college a few years ago to pursue a second Bachelor's of Science degree in science education at one of the schools in a large university system. He asked me to redact some things because if you get caught thinking out-of-the norm and education you can get banned for life You could call me a slave trainer in training! I'll be student teaching in the fall
1:37:11 And after I graduate, I'll be certified to teach any subject biology chemistry physics etc at the middle school or high school level in my state. I was finishing up show 601 this afternoon and heard your discussion regarding engineering and science which really got me going you are absolutely correct engineering is not science but these lines are being blurred in the classroom today The institution where I'm receiving my teacher education is very STEM and for those who don't know that's Science Technology Engineering and Math Very STEM focused, which irks me to no end. In fact science technology and math education students take many of the same classes together as the individual programs are really just sub-programs of the STEM education program Your assessment of STEM is accurate My professor continually stresses that what I teach my students must be useful for students in future when they go get a job
1:38:01 And this is our thesis that's why Dell and Microsoft and all these people are in on it because they don't want to pay for visas anymore, they want American slaves. Well things are about to get worse... Oh I'm going to interrupt you there and this is another pet peeve of mine and they don't want to train anybody No. They don't want to put the effort into bringing somebody, a generalist in and then teach them about this or that because it's just like it's not worth if they're gonna quit anyway And I will point out and I got a lot of feedback on this That if you think great programmers are only scientists and mathematicians You're wrong Artists! I don't think any great programmers are scient...any They're artists and writers They're poets They're musicians Many of them are math flunkouts Thank you
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Next Generation Science Standards, K-12 Education, Banned Chemistry Sets
The "Next Generation Science Standards" (NGSS) are being implemented to align science education with Common Core. The hosts criticize the standards for being "internationally benchmarked" by industry stakeholders. They lament the loss of traditional, "dangerous" chemistry sets that allowed children to experiment freely, replaced now by a more controlled, "religious" approach to science.
1:38:50 Things are about to get worse with the introduction of new science standards, and here it comes! The Next Generation Science Standards. Commonly abbreviated as NSGS Yes everybody, the next generation science standards have just recently been finalized When they ultimately get implemented or when states implement their own version of them It will serve to strengthen the concept of STEM and common core And we have a video Let's play Video 1 In today's ever technologically advancing world, we are living at the speed of science. We need to educate our students to be scientifically literate ready to ask questions define problems investigate analyze data construct explanations and design solutions ready that take on the future
1:39:39 The Next Generation Science Standards provide an important opportunity to improve not only science education, but also student achievement. Reflecting a new vision for American science education creating a context for learning. Comprehending the core knowledge and ideas and engaging in scientific engineering practices helps prepare students for broader understanding and deeper levels of scientific and engineering investigation later on in high school, college and beyond. By states, for states. The Next Generation Science Standards were developed by a team of experts and stakeholders in science and engineering K-12 and higher education And industry In an open collaborative state led process Do you hear this? What they're saying is Industry and stakeholders and douchebags! Process The standards are internationally benchmarked against countries whose students perform well in math and science
1:40:36 Implementing improved K-12 science standards will better prepare high school graduates to succeed in college and careers. Enabling employers to hire workers with strong, science based knowledge and skills, critical thinking, and inquiry based problem solving. Educating students for the future. Educating students at the speed of science. The next generation science standards four states by states Shut up already! Science. Alright, hit it clip of the day. No! Oh, I wasn't expecting that because... I have more! But i'll take it. Thank you. Alright so we also said- Let me before you go on. God, I gotta go on. I got lots to say. No no, I've gotta say something. This bullshit crap and I'm looking at one of the websites TheNextGenerationScience.org Yeah that's the one There is a kid there who is looking at Bunsen burner That's the one. With goggles. That what he doing with goggles on
1:41:38 It's stock. It's a burner blows up stock for time I was a kid he used to have yeah when I was a kid you used to build by a chemistry set and that's right at Montgomery Ward saying you can use huge chemistry there was all kinds of stuff in there You could blow up so it had sulfur you could create stink bombs, you could do all kinds of things It is astonishing and they there were different layers you can get a cheap one a little longer big giant I had him I had a huge one I had him And you could have a lot of... those are all banned. You could kill yourself with that if you drank it When I was a kid, when i was in high school there used to be chemistry class
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Achieve Inc, Common Core Integration, Human Capital Rhetoric
The NGSS website is owned by Achieve Inc., the same organization behind Common Core. The hosts analyze promotional videos for the standards, which use terms like "human capital" and "college readiness." They argue that the focus has shifted from teaching facts to teaching "how to think," which they interpret as a method for state-led indoctrination.
1:42:14 And they would do all kinds of dangerous things in there and you would do experiments and whatever. There was a physics class, there was all these... You know there was the civics classes, now they've dumbed down everybody and now their reintroducing science as something like you said, a religion of some sort This isn't going to be... I can't believe this! It's gonna be terrible Well it's getting better Okay, from the Common Core Math Integration PDF which is found on that website you're looking at. Page 1 Science is a quantitative discipline so it's important for educators to ensure that student science learning coheres well with their learning in mathematics To achieve this alignment the Next Generation Science Standards Development Team work with the Common Core State Standard M whatever-it-is writing team
1:43:05 to ensure the NGSS do not outpace or otherwise misalign to the grade-by-grade standards in the CCSSM. Why? Because it's all coordinated, and as it turns out... People learn at different speeds and they learn different things at different speeds No The point is if you do a whois on the nextgenerationsidestandards.org website You'll see its owned by Achieve Inc And Achieve Inc are the common core people And from that website... When people are first introduced to the Next Generation Science Standards, they're stunned silence. Stunned! And then you're squirming in the chair and people start to get antsy but in a positive way and then people respond with oh my gosh this is wonderful this is cool this is great
1:43:59 This is an unprecedented time in education in the United States. Standards, in themselves, the total document of the next generation has the power to influence all other components of the education system. Normally we teach out-of-context The biology teacher's teaching here, the mathematics teacher there you know the English teacher over here and then when It's time to synthesize, guess what? We aren't there. The next generation standards are based upon research current research and how students learn Science isn't just a mere bunch of facts you know science is about the way we think about the world the way we question the world the way we communicate around the world
1:44:45 And that piece alone, developing that is a huge piece of the new standards. We're really looking at the next generation science standards to propel students into 21st century so you're looking at college readiness, you're looking at career readiness Why is now the time for the next generation science? Come here New Lugans! You will comply with your next standards! Sorry, it's Tourette's. Standards were passed the time for the next generation standards to be competitive globally we need to prepare students We have to have as a solid firm foundation that framework K-12 science education from the scientific community I'm one of the writing team members and my job is To assist with the development of the standards which is connected to the framework Minnesota is elite state What does that even mean?
1:45:38 Who gives a shit? It sounds great. As part of that, I've convened together groups We have some groups that are working as reviewers of the standards. We have two other groups One that's sort of dealing with communications with the business and industry side Also looking at what it would take to implement the standards in Minnesota And then another group who is looking at communications mostly with educators and especially around the framework document. Our standards need to be able to help our students face a world that we're not currently facing right now
1:46:15 We're never going to reach perfection, I don't believe because the world is changing. We need to continue evolving and changing with our ever-changing world When a teacher loves something, students are gonna love it too Teachers have to be open minded they have to be willing to take a risk They have to be willing to get messy. They're going to have to let the students lead a little." This is, it's a very hard thing and it's a very critical thing but its a very rewarding thing too. It's awesome to see the kids working together and talking to each other and supporting what they think with evidence that they've seen. Its so major cool! Its gonna change the way that I teach
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Knowledgeable Consumers, Craig Barrett's Lenin Reference, Shell Science Challenge
Former Intel CEO Craig Barrett wrote a letter defending Common Core, accusing detractors of following "Lenin's maxim" that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. The hosts point out the irony, suggesting the corporate-led education movement is the one using such tactics. They list several science competitions sponsored by Shell Oil, DuPont, and Toshiba, likening modern schools to NASCAR races.
1:46:53 It's scary and yet at the same time it is exciting. I think it will re-indigorate my teaching. I'm very excited to see that transition, that change to actually doing science. Human capital is the most prized resource this nation possesses and we can ill afford the luxury of not developing to its maximum capacity. Fade out! Fade to black Alright, final piece on this from the frequently asked questions section of the Next Generation Science Standards website. Science and therefore science education is central to the lives of all Americans... I need echo hold on one two one two... Science and therefore science education is central to the lives of all Americans
1:47:47 preparing them to be informed citizens in a democracy and knowledgeable consumers. If the nation is to compete and lead in the global economy, if American students are able to pursue expanding employment opportunities in science-related fields all students must have a solid K12 science education that prepares them for college and careers. Informed and knowledgeable consumers Of what? Carbon credits. I know you're- Knowledgeable and informed consumers. Informed citizens and knowledgeable consumers Wow, the fact that they put that consumer's thing in there Yeah it's just shocking Kind of showing the public as just a bunch of mindless buyers of crap Yeah green crap Including crap ideas i might add Buying crap doesn't mean physical things necessarily You buy
1:48:50 The argument about this or that. Yeah, we'll say global warming in this case mm-hmm Craig Barrett front facing letter on the achieve org website Craig Barrett former CEO and chairman of the board at Intel during an era they didn't do that well has been a strong advocate for improving education serving the National Governors Association etc etc here's he writes a letter into Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and he says the following in his first paragraph It seems the common core state standards detractors follow Lenin's maxim that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. We are now communists! You commie, you commie denier, you Putinist, you Pooh-enist
1:49:40 recent forway, their midst, what is this? MDST is what it says. Okay, there's a typo here. Recent foray into trying to take down the effort Spearheaded by the nation's governors and chief state school officers to outline what all students should know and be able to do in reading and math leaves us with no choice but to roll up our sleeves, yet again set the record straight. And then he goes on... Yeah, Lenin. I think if you're going to take that argument it's the old thing where you point out is what you're doing You know you point somebody and say oh he has a douche bag and you consider him a douchebag? Well this is what they are doing They are telling a lie often enough so it becomes the truth And if you look at the NSTA The National Science Teachers Association who of course are part of this They have competitions
1:50:42 And I have a list of the current competitions that you can participate in with your class. We have the Shell Science Lab Challenge from Shell Oil, yes? Okay. Sponsored by Shell Oil Company administered by NSTA encourages teachers grade 6 through 12 in the US and Canada who found innovative ways to deliver quality lab experiences with limited school and laboratory resources with cash prizes up to $93,000. Then we have America's Home Energy Education Challenge which is brought to you by the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Then we have the DuPont Challenge, brought to you by The Dupont Chemical Company. And then we have Toshiba Exploravision Challenge
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Global Warming in Schools, Scholastic Reading Tests, John Coleman Video
A listener reports that his third-grade son came home crying after a Scholastic reading test that presented global warming as an absolute catastrophe. The test reportedly used multiple-choice questions where the only "wrong" answer was a skeptical view of climate change. The parent used a John Coleman video to counter the "government propaganda" taught in the classroom.
1:51:29 Come on people don't you see that the corporate looking like a NASCAR race where the guy comes out of his car with all these patches all over this is gonna be like yeah kids are gonna go to school with their NASCAR outfits, their uniforms with Shell and Toshiba and DuPont all over it. So here's kind of the downside this is from our knight sir Borislav Marinov he sent an email I said was okay to share with you on the show Two days ago after No Agenda Show 600, one of my third graders, No Agenda Knight Sir Simeon came home almost crying and asked me the question whether we are killing the Earth through global warming. I thought I had more time to prepare them for this subject but was surprised it came so soon
1:52:13 By my calculations, they were only going to study climate as part of geography classes in fifth grade. I asked why did they discuss that subject? Turns out it was part of their scholastics reading and comprehension test—exactly what we said Common Core would be doing! They had to read a government propaganda text and answer a multiple-choice question. They did not remember the answers but they had to pick which answer is wrong Three of the answers were how bad global warming is and the fourth answer they had to select, as the only one that is not true was something like The chill spells are on the rise. There was no answer like all of the above is fiction or wrong I immediately showed them John Coleman's YouTube video How The Global Warming Scare Began And next day my wife was wondering why Sir Yassin Is Not Getting Out Of School She found him preaching To a classmate how global warming is A scam and why you don't vote On science Thanks for helping me keep the government propaganda away from My kids
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Marxism and Engels, American Civil War History, Elite War-Making
The hosts suggest that listeners read the original works of Marx and Engels, noting that Engels was the true radical behind "Marxism." They specifically recommend their book on the American Civil War, which argues that the war was orchestrated by a small minority of slave owners against the will of the general Southern public.
1:53:07 Troublemakers is what they are. Troublemakers now, we've created a new class of troublemakers. Yeah we're gonna get in trouble for doing this. Commies! Commies I'm telling you the commies your kids are commies. Luckily the commie thing doesn't work anymore Well, you could be like who is although a Craig Barrett an old guy and hey Lenin I would recommend people go out and read Lennon He's actually kind of boring but the more interesting writers are Marx. Marx is a really good writer he was a columnist don't realize he was writing in the 1850s it was a columnist he was like a Devorak of his time. And so was his buddy Engels who was the real if you read these guys
1:53:46 Engels, in fact was the... and you can get a lot of these books from the Gutenberg project and put them on your Kindle. Yep! Engles was the real... he was the communist per se He was the guy who liked the idea of collectiveness and that and the other thing And he was the troublemaker of the two I'm sorry, I have to stop you You can't say this, the at, and the other thing That's not acceptable Okay So Engels was the guy who really kind of invented what became Marxism and I just think it's hilarious because of the irony, it should be Engel-ism. Yeah correct. Meanwhile this guy he got us here just because Marxism sounds better. And Engels really influenced Marx and Marx wrote about in his column
1:54:37 Yeah, Ingalls was the real radical crazy guy. But he's a very good writer too and I would recommend getting some of these old books and just reading them they're very entertaining they're interesting and their ideas are not being discussed anymore there are actually valid ideas that are thrown about Luckily, because the communist thing has been pulled back so far now I think people can actually go read some of these this material. One of the really great books you should read people should read is The American Civil War Book by Marx and Engels it talks about aspects of the Civil War that very few people understood understood at the time or even bring into the conversation as Why for example to South when they decided to attack the north to start the war? By bombing Fort Sumter it was and create a government of their own. It was really only the slave owners like about 330,000 people total a minority of the public
1:55:40 the time in the South not everybody owned slaves only a few did and these are the guys who made The war happen against the will of the public at large nobody wanted this war and then of course these same guys sent the guys who would have voted no into The war to get killed and this is again. The elites you know pushing the public all right You have to stop stop making sense You can't make sense like that. You can't advocate for history like that, you can't advocate reading books! If I turned it into science would that help? Yeah...that might work Anyway we have to read some of this material and then you can check it out for yourself or do whatever but these writers back in the day are worth listening to worth reading and luckily I think is now acceptable and I think Barrett bringing up a Lenin thing I mean crud geez I mean come on
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Club 33, Hillary Clinton Presidency Predictions, Bot Skepticism
Adam and John discuss "Club 33" donations and the "600 series" of the podcast. Adam reiterates his prediction that Hillary Clinton will be the next president, despite skepticism from his "bot friends" who find her "nutty." They joke about a "flash mob" at the club to avoid police scrutiny.
1:56:35 Anyway, that's my little spiel on getting out more. Are we doing a club today? No, because I was waiting for somebody to come in with $111.11 and nobody did We have a whole list! We'll do the club on Sunday Promise?! I'm not prepared But we're just opening illegally right it's just what you were doing it without... Yes but its gonna have to be like a rave or whatever What do you call when people all show up at once you text them Flash mob
1:57:15 Do a flash mob. A flash mob at Club 33 and then we'll, we can tell the police when it after this that We didn't know anything about this were against it But do we all have to dance the black-eyed peas or can we just watch the girls dance? You know you can do whatever you want Javier, Javier, Javier, Javier, Javier, Javier, Javier, Javier, Javier That's what I'm trying to say Can I tell my theory about Javier Javier Fasquez, this guy in San Diego? No. What's his name? Every single Mexican I know in Austin... male Mexican, his name is Javier Why? Because there was one guy with a passport and his name is Javier and they're all on his passport Yeah that's gonna go over. That's a good one. $100
1:58:01 The last shows have been outstanding and we call this the 600 series, and the shows have been outstanding one after another. Oh a 600 series I like that Yeah it's a 600 series there's only gonna be 100 shows in this series By the way i seriously felt the love in my heart when Adam prayed a few shows ago Your work is always inspiring see that was when I prayed for Hillary Clinton to become president yeah And I do it every night I do. I'm not kidding. Money in the bank with no agenda! You can take that to the bank Well, we'll see. We'll see. So far everything points to Hillary. I see doubt in my bot friends Oh, I know this is bothersome Why is that? Why do they have doubt
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Listener Shout-outs, Plane Crash Survival, The Hague Lockdown
The hosts read notes from listeners, including a plane crash survivor and a resident of The Hague who is experiencing the lockdown due to the Nuclear Security Summit. The segment includes a "de-douching" for a listener and a request to investigate George Clooney as a potential spy.
1:58:47 I think it's, well...I think nobody trusts Hillary. They're like yeah woman! Oh Hillary crap because i always remind them that she'll shoot you in the face if she disagrees you know? You don't do what she says but I see doubt. Do you really think she's gonna- yes. The bots all sense that she's a little nutty hmm That's why we need well..I'm sorry I'm not bringing it up Kristen Smith $70 dollars and blight Lincolnshire Sorry, it's late this month. Not only is my daughter listening but now my 12 year old son James is listening to thank you for your courage right on The group of 69 errs at Ronald a sedeño in Riverview Florida 6969 ray Hoskins and your Belinda California long note Brian Lanning in Grand Blanc
1:59:47 Michigan, he comes in quite often. Mark Kedrowski and Hugo Minnesotanuts. Michelle Cartmell in West Bank BC. We had a lot of BC-ers today. Hold on a second hold on I'm just reading Mark's note? Yeah Long time listener but my first donation was approximately month ago. I need deducing Also, I was in a plane crash three and half years ago. Almost died two dozen plus surgeries to date almost died yada yada point is i listen to you with Why are these notes cutting off? Is that cutting off for YouTube That one cutoff and it's probably PayPal or something Or he did something Let me just give him a deduction Plane crashed You've been Deduced Crazy
2:00:34 Michelle Cartmel in West Bank BC I said her already but she said her again Martin... I don't know what that is. Martain? Martain Pilt? Pilt, pilt! Here's a way for people out there wondering why we can't read this here's what it says on the spreadsheet PI up arrow T well it's like an L with an accent circumflex That could be. It's not Dutch! Looks like an up arrow 6969 and he is in Den Haag Heg, the Hague. He is in The Hague. That's right. 6969 dudes! He has a good story says... And he talks about what you talked about
2:01:29 We're in lockdown in The Hague because of the nuclear security summit bullshit. I've been a long time boner and don't deserve to be de-douche yet, however... ...I would call out my friend Ron Bun Bun Bun as a douchebag! What a name? How do you have it? Is that a Dutch name? No, I think that's probably a nickname. Ah donate your... Donate you mofo?! Please mention my street photography site, thisisthehague.com Anyway... He wants George Clooney as a spy to the head? George Clooney! George Clooney is a spy Give him karma at the end with everyone else Oh you gave him karma I can't stop it, Karma's unstoppable You've got Karma Sorry just slipped out The karma fluked out
A listener reports receiving an unexpected raise after donating to the show, which she attributes to "No Agenda Karma." The hosts also discuss the removal of cursive writing from Common Core standards. Adam gives a shout-out to Sharon Bosworth, whose husband mentioned she has had a crush on Adam since his MTV days.
2:02:26 Now Carolina Garcia sent in $60 and she sent in another 60 dollars. Oh there you go! In the same envelope this was mailed in, uh she wants to say I want to say thank you because your karma works wonderfully on my first donation I asked for karma for the show So you guys, by the way I'm having trouble reading. She writes in a neat block letter very neat but it's all the same X height Did you hear this conversation that was going on NPR about Common Core standards no longer requiring cursive? No I didn't hear that but it doesn't surprise me Okay just mentioning
2:03:12 My well, that's the way everyone looks like they're right like two-year olds on my first donation I asked for karma you guys gave me somebody can have more donations Oh so you I gave karma for the show So you guys can have more donations to my surprise that same week. I received news of a raise I was not counting on especially since there's been rumors of our company wasn't doing so well uh? So they say I completely Contribute this good fortune to the show's karma therefore I will continue donating to knowage in the show for every paycheck. I receive from the day I The raise kicks in until I either lose my job or the show ends I would try my very best To make this happen what she wants a show to end? I don't know oh, I see I said Oh, I'm missing her also. I'm sorry was not able to donate to show 600 anyway She goes on and does say she's gonna go for Dame hood nice
2:04:06 All right, anyway there was two checks so she's actually it's very unusual. Dan Whitecheck in Beach Grove Indiana 55 double nickels on the dime and this is always one double nickels on the dime every show isn't that weird? It used to be so popular Kevin Payne's 5069 Richmond, Virginia Patricia Worthington $50 Miami Florida and these are all $50 donors James Bosworth in West Jordan Utah Peter totes commonly $50 James Thomason in Cherryvale Kansas Shad rich and the Bendigo in Seattle Washington Marcus Kazmarek in Kanai Alaska
2:04:53 and Dame Tanya Wayman who did send us a note, where'd I do it? Dame Tanya's note. It was just this short note she's in the morning and she said of course our famous dame from New York City uh... She wants karma shout out for the producers and all she can afford to donate now anyway that's all it says. I wanted to read James Bosworth's note for moment okay since we're in this is short donation segment today hi guys my first donation to The Cause I was hit in the mouth a few months ago and have listened religiously ever since. This may not be a huge donation, but there's more to come by the way my wife has a crush on Adam! Oh that is why you want to read this? Exactly well going back to his MTV days she loves listening with me and would totally flip if Adam could give a shout out to the lovely Sharon Bosworth send me a picture James please or Sharon send one yourself
2:05:52 And he wants a Putin for himself. Alright, that concludes my- He wants a Pu- Well... How rude is that? If you want a Putin, y'know, real loving couples Putin together. PUTIN! Here's Karma for everybody thank you very much for your donations You've got karma and of course thanks to everyone who came in under $50 for anonymity purposes or your monthlies these are really really really really helpful Keep that up, please. We really hope things go a little better could be a lot we don't mind the longer donation segment for Sunday for org slash and Well, it's only one apparently big oddburn says happy birthday to his beautiful wife Blair She turned 33 yesterday remember to send that picture to Adam at curry calm happy birthday
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Flag Etiquette in Textbooks, High School Existentialism, National Anthem
A high school student producer notes that his economics and government textbooks dedicate the first two pages to flag etiquette and the "American's Creed." He describes a classroom discussion on existentialism where a classmate questioned if the government is "good for us," leading the hosts to call for a high school "revolt" against state-led nonsense.
2:06:53 I know, i'm sleazy but I can't help it. You are sleazy! I am? I don't know what it is...I like it! It's a picture thing. Here's what it is everybody's doing mirror selfies you know if you look at uh what's that uh the chive dot com correct bathroom mirror bathroom mirror yeah so do one for me yeah why not It wouldn't for me, come on. I'm an old guy now." Hey! When i'm old enough, I'll be lifting the skirts with my cane. Let me just write that down... That was 213. That's a good one. I think the one you did with The Echo is better. Nah nah nah. Now let me read a note from one of our producers Andrew Kelly who's a high schooler and this is kind of the opposite of the Common Core stuff which is also annoying
2:07:49 I heard your discussion on previous shows about how ridiculous it is that every sports game or made this is a pet peeve of mine, our major event we have must parade our troops around and honor the United States by singing the national anthem and so on. I thought this might be interesting to mention on the show that my high school's economics and government textbooks both have the first and second page dedicated to flag etiquette. Oh yeah, he sent a picture. Yeah, Americans' Creed, The Pledge of Allegiance in The Star-Spangled Banner...I see no point in including these in an economics textbook! We are becoming Nazi Germany face it don't doesn't people see this?
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Cass Sunstein's Conspiracy Theory Book, Cognitive Infiltration, Samantha Power
Cass Sunstein, husband of UN Ambassador Samantha Power, has released a new book titled *Conspiracy Theories and Other Dangerous Ideas*. The hosts remind listeners of Sunstein's previous academic paper advocating for the "cognitive infiltration" of online groups to spread disinformation. They analyze his interview on MSNBC regarding the Malaysian Airlines flight 370 disappearance.
2:08:29 The other day in class we had a discussion on existentialism and I did what any good No Agenda listener should do and started talking sense into everybody about the government. Oh no, oh this is not good! Some girl sitting next to me spouted out quote wait but isn't the government good for us? It's a sad state of affairs here in high school world and I call on all high schoolers to revolt and not accept this nonsense There you go. Well that flows nicely into a couple clips I got here, um...I have purchased the book, I have started to read it but obviously it- I only heard about it last night uh our friend Cass Sunstein has come out with a new book about conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists
2:09:23 Yes, yes. And he's doing... Now Cass Sunstein is married to Samantha Power. Sam- Samantha or S- Samantha? Samantha. Who was... Sam! Sam Power. Sam Power. Who always has her blouse uncomfortably low unbuttoned at her... That just was weird She is now the UN ambassador The United States Ambassador to the United Nations She still looks like a Berkeley hippie The way she carries herself, the clothes she wears and hair Well, Cass Sunstein has no hair and he is the guy who... I've forgotten because he has been asked by thinkchange.org... No, it was one of these Rutowski guy said hey do you remember that paper you wrote about infiltrating online communities to spread disinformation?
2:10:17 He doesn't really remember that anymore. I can't, i've written so many things he doesn't really remember. I did that? I wrote that?! I don't remember! Even my friend John C Dvorak remembers columns from 20 years ago but no uh so he's on the Alex Wagner show...I like this Alex Wagner although she's on MSNBC so I'm the only one watching yeah you and her boyfriend is she-no Her boyfriend, girlfriend. Let me see Alex Wagner she was wasn't she in that selfie with uh that gay and lesbian I mean sorry i'm sorry lgbbtqqiever yes apparently she is She's a lesbian? Yeah well she's L Shes' L in the list of letters. Yes shes' L on the list
2:11:08 Here is the setup to her interview with Cass Sunstein. In the expert opinion of one Malaysian shaman, it has been hijacked by elves and is suspended in mid-air. Or according to one of the most powerful media moguls on earth a man named Rupert Murdoch world seems transfixed by 777 disappearance maybe no crash but stolen effectively hidden perhaps in northern Pakistan like Bin Laden
2:11:45 Those are just some of the multitudes of conspiracy theories regarding the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight 370. I'd like to point out all these propagated by mainstream media. Yes, and by the way let's get something else straight... If you're going to use the word conspiracy, why don't you define it? You don't have to say anything. That's on its way. ...would seem to point in a direction other than Pakistan or else changing the mind of conspiracy theorists is often very hard to do as with the birthers who deny President Obama citizenship or the truthers who perpetuate the theory that the United States orchestrated the attacks on September 11th these kinds of theories are unusually resistant to correction
2:12:26 As legal scholar and former Obama administration official Cass Sunstein writes in his new book, Conspiracy Theories and Other Dangerous Ideas, conspiracy theorists believe that the agents of the conspiracy have unusual powers so that apparently contrary evidence can be seen as a product of the conspiracy itself. I have unusual powers! Unusual powers! You get people to send you photos. Not many, but my power sometimes do work! All right so this is a very interesting interview because of course why is this guy writing this book? I believe he has many agendas...this Cass and he's not just a former Obama administrative shill He's in it. He still is on all the panels Yeah, he's in the game
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Benghazi Theories, Santa Claus Comparison, True Conspiracy Category
In his book promotion, Cass Sunstein compares "dangerous" conspiracy theories to the Benghazi investigation. He surprisingly admits that "true conspiracy theories" exist, citing Watergate as an example. He also likens the myth of Santa Claus to a conspiracy because parents work together to propagate a fiction involving "mysterious elves."
2:13:20 Now, he's going to... this is just a little thing he mentions here which I'm blown away by the fact that he compares the Malaysian airplane disappearance to this. It feels like there's more of this out there than there has been I think we're seeing a lot of it and there are a couple reasons one is in a time of economic difficulty or in a time when things are going wrong The hookers start betting looking better? Is that what he's gonna say, no? In very visible ways like with the plane for example and the tragic events in Benghazi people try to seize on something awful Now why does he do that
2:13:59 Why does he toss Benghazi in? Yeah, Benghazi there's no the only people who... He is obviously in on that too. Yes because the only people who have an alternative theory about Benghazi is you and I everyone else are just saying oh they knew they knew then if that's not really conspiracy to the level that we take it. I believe that you and I and our thesis which I believed to be the accurate one was also discussed by one ex-military. Yes, no you're right you're correct an ex general. Somebody else came up with it and the rest of them I believe have the same thesis but they won't they haven't got the guts to blow this thesis out because then there'll be labeled as nut balls so they just keep hinting about it. Exactly conspiracy theorists right? So you said we need to define conspiracy theories and the word conspiracy comes from conspire
2:14:54 which means breathing together, conspira. And let me just say one thing quickly as you do the definition conspiracy requires a bunch of people conspiring. Yes, if I come off the blue or we well like what and where what are we conspiring against? If you come up with the idea... No I think it's the other way around that you can have a theory that other people conspired to do something. That is a true conspiracy but you're right it has been turned around to somehow mean that the conspiracy, the people conspiring are the nut jobs who have the theory. Yeah because you're the conspiracy theorist but that is incorrect. The definition has been altered it seems well Cass Sunstein is actually going to say something correct here but he blows... He blew me away
2:15:49 Well, you'll hear it. How do you delineate what is a conspiracy theory and what is folklore or myth? Well I think we'd want to distinguish between true conspiracy theories like the theory that something malevolent was happening at Watergate Okay so you can have a true conspiracy theory Interesting. I found that to be very interesting! That's one category, then there is another set of things which aren't really conspiracy theories but are more like games or fictions or made up fun... I think Santa Claus actually has some characteristics of a conspiracy theory Here we go
2:16:34 This is how this is how you say oh, that's like I was like Santa Claus in the sense that parents work together to Propagate. I hope there aren't children Don't worry there's no children watching MSNBC no worries Santa Claus is watching this, we should have a banner. Maybe it's true so parents do actually work together to spread something for fun it's not something that we should worry over and the tooth fairy the same and the Santa Claus idea also has the idea that there's a mysterious group of elves working
2:17:10 kind of secluded location doing stuff that magically appears on Christmas Eve. So I wouldn't want the idea of conspiracy theory necessarily to have a negative connotation, it might accurately describe something that's true and that its important to get out there and put a spotlight on And it might actually capture some stuff which isn't awful which is part of fun and things parents do or things families do Interesting huh? That's borderline clip of the day. You give two of them out. No, no I can't accept it! Yeah now I have to read this book because this guy doesn't do anything without a motivation that is hidden in his agenda He is Mr Hidden Agenda. Hidden Agenda Show. He's the Hidden Agenda Guy. I think he kind of slips up and explains what his agenda is
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Shattering Theories, Psychological Tactics, Shills and Debunking
Sunstein outlines psychological tactics for "shattering" conspiracy theories, such as appealing to the "basic beliefs" of the theorists or using "allied" credible figures to debunk claims. The hosts interpret this as a blueprint for using government shills to manipulate public discourse and steer people away from alternative narratives.
2:18:06 This final clip I have from your in your expert opinion What is the best way to to shatter a theory that has no basis? Okay. What is your best weight so this is how do you shatter The crazy conspiracy theories that is that is what he's going to say here. How do we do this from your in your expert opinion? What is the best way to to shatter a theory that has no basis and reality there are two things that tend to work or then at least have a probability of working one is if you can appeal In a way, then affirms the basic beliefs or commitments of the people who believe in the conspiracy Did you hear that?
2:18:43 I did, but i'm not seeing how that shatters anything unless there's some sort of a jujitsu move going on here. So that at a level of abstraction they may believe something that everyone believes like wrongdoing should be punished or something and if you appeal to them then it can work. Okay so in order...you need to...it's psychological tactics So you appeal to them, to the crazies. You appeal to them with something that is generally accepted and then you start to... so you hook them and then you kind of move them away How do you do that? This is the this is the here's his true agenda also if you can get people who are Allied with them in one or another respect that isn't it in the sense that they are kind of Credible in a group of people who find most people incredible then that can work to debunk a conspiracy theory, uh-huh Give us the mechanics of this well. He's talking about shills he is talking about so if you hear me start saying yeah
2:19:52 Eppingazi, that was just a video. A crazy Muslim video... Then you'll know I've been had! Yeah well i'm not expecting that anytime soon Or maybe if guys who sell seeds yell really loudly Maybe their shills You think? So this book is something we need to read. Yeah, unfortunately it is I'll get a Kindle version. I don't really feel like collecting it unless I can get an autographed copy. Oh! I'll go to the publisher and get an autographed copy. Well I already bought the Kindle version just that...I've only just started. I didn't have time. I was doing getting show prep
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Margaret Warner's Ukraine Comedy, Putin-Hitler Comparisons, Chechnya Rhetoric
PBS reporter Margaret Warner's coverage of Ukraine is described by the hosts as "comedy" due to the extreme rhetoric of her interviewees. One Ukrainian guard expresses a desire to kill Russians as they did in Chechnya, while a former defense official explicitly compares Putin to Hitler. The hosts criticize the one-sided nature of the reporting.
2:20:34 Okay, well we'll do it. Well maybe you should read it for me I want to just revisit the Ukrainian situation for a second because PBS has still has Margaret Warner in Ukraine giving reports and I think she's given up She's you know she'd rather be in Paris or see was in Paris for awhile there They've moved her that yeah, she's that woman on PBS It used to be an anchor And she's just not quite now what's-her name? What's-her name again Margaret Warner She's the kind of, you know middle-aged looking younger woman. Let's see she hot? No no no no But she's a very good reporter and I like her yes And she but she you can tell she's getting sick of this she looks a little Feinstein esque a little bit Yeah, she does actually she looks very feinsteinsque which is not a positive thing It's not not generally accepted as good
2:21:30 So I've decided, or by listening to her, I figured that she's just decided to turn this into a comedy because she needs to be pulled from Ukraine. And so some of the reports in the first clip is PBS and Ukraine comedy Some of our reports are little weird We do now we know what were fighting for Dmitry Chesnikov, who keeps guard at night says he just wants peace and calm. But when talk turns to Russia's invasion and annexation of Crimea his mood swiftly turns I want the dead for them For the Russians too! I want to take them just what they happen in Chechnya I want to kill them really
2:22:13 Now, with Crimea gone the Kiev government faces a new security threat. A large Russian force massed on Ukraine's eastern border which former Minister of Defense Anatoly Gritsenko sees in the most menacing terms We all must understand Putin equals Hitler He is crazy If that person Mr. Putin is crazy then we could expect everything anytime Hitler. Putin equals Hitler! Putin, Hitler. Putin, Hitler. We need a clip of this like... I'm sorry. This is going too... who? Did she produce this herself do you think? Yeah yeah so she's got this guy that can barely speak and I want them all dead So she's pulling men off the street that are just crazy. Putin-Hitler! Putin-Hitler
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Revolution of Dignity Meme, State Department Branding, Human Resources
U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt introduced the term "Revolution of Dignity" to describe the Maidan protests. The hosts identify this as a new State Department "meme" designed to rebrand the revolution. They note the term has appeared in various documentaries and international dossiers, replacing "democracy" with "dignity" and "equality."
2:23:11 So here's the part two of the comedy which is, it just never ends. Ukraine's military is irretrievably outmatched by the honed Russian force that took Crimea They moved swiftly with overwhelming force to defeat the Ukrainians There's no military answer to that Short term there's nothing we can do in terms military involvement or military assistance that's going to change the basic realities of geography and the balance of power between Ukraine and Russia. What the US can do for Ukraine, says Payet is help it with long-term economic development And he sees great promise there You've got a border with four EU member states you've got fabulous human resources agricultural resources shale gas
2:23:58 What Ukraine has suffered from is bad governance. And this revolution of dignity is an opportunity to correct that." Yeah, we need to show them how to do that! You don't know how to do that? You can't let your citizens have any say... We gotta show you how to enslave them. Have you heard this term before? It doesn't ring a bell with me. Which term? The Revolution Of Dignity. Hmmmm.... No. He dropped the little bomb at the end, this guy. State Department guy. That's interesting. Have you googled it? I just heard it. Let me just listen to that again, the very end right? That was a pretty good one actually. Shale gas... what Ukraine has suffered from is bad governance and this revolution of dignity is an opportunity to correct that. Huh! Revolution of Dignity... And it shows up as a film by ICTV
2:24:55 documentary, Revolution of Dignity and it also has dignified revolution. I know in Ukraine a revolution with dignity showed up in the Detroit News. So but it's a documentary? It's not a film, its a documentary? Yes, a documentary and there is a Tunisia dossier that has the Tunisian Revolution of Dignity which is where they stole it from. Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity showed Spain had a march for dignity. So this is new This is not a common usage But I think it's a meme that we should it may crop up because it just out of the blue shows up in this report Okay state or quality of being worthy of honor and respect Is the definition of dignity? dignity
The hosts discuss the Svoboda party, a right-wing nationalist faction in the Ukrainian coalition. They play a clip of leader Oleg Tyahnybok being questioned about past anti-Semitic and anti-Russian remarks. Tyahnybok dismisses the quotes as "Russian propaganda" and "twisted words," despite the party's well-documented extremist roots.
2:25:57 Yeah, I like it. Revolution of dignity because you know it's not about democracy It's about dignity equality. It's all these words equality dignity yeah anyway there is a third clip You can play this about the Svoboda party which we don't talk about much but this is the right-wingers that's the That's the neo Nazis that John McCain was hanging out with yeah The thugs from the Ukraine John McCain and he had eight suitcases And seven of them were left with those guys. They were filled with, I don't know... Among that motley coalition now holding key ministries one faction has caused alarm in Russian-dominated eastern Ukraine and in Europe the right wing nationalist Svoboda party its parliamentary leader Oleg Tiagnibok was once quoted boasting that Ukrainians fought bravely in World War II against Muscovites Germans Jews and other scum Do you disavow that now?
2:26:56 That is what I said, but my 10-year old words are being twisted by those who profit from it. This is also Russian propaganda. We are neither fascists nor Nazis these are nothing but insinuations What's for voters agenda now? It is very important for us to conduct honest, transparent fair elections for president. It is very important for us to renew people trust in government. That election in just eight weeks holds promise for editor Gorchinskaya too but she isn't sure how long you can... I didn't end the clip properly. Oh it was almost over
2:27:35 Anyway, yeah this douchebag. He says yeah they quoting me but it's propaganda what does that even mean? How is it propagandists? Yeah I said that but it's propaganda the way I said Russian propaganda These people not know Goodwin's law do they're not and they never did they not know God he's a good regard with God Scott went on Mike Godwin I guess they don't. But everyone's doing this, the whole State Department is doing this Putin equals Hitler And i think they're the ones who dreamed up those posters that have Putin with a hitler mustache which by the way is what any good self
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FISA Transparency Act, Mike Rogers, RAS Test Standards
Congressman Mike Rogers is promoting the "FISA Transparency and Modernization Act of 2014," which claims to end bulk data collection. However, the hosts point out that the full text is not yet available and that the bill relies on the "RAS" (Reasonable Articulable Suspicion) test. They note that RAS is a lower legal standard than probable cause, typically used for simple traffic stops.
2:29:48 you know others national security bills to be on the floor other issues and from energy in commerce and other committees that will have to deal with these issues so we felt it was important to put some on the table of people could say that's exactly what were looking for build a coalition and and get it done side when i say timeline by between now and june or july or august all we don't know well we think that uh... more people understand what we've done and how what looks like the morning support we're going to get four moves out this is bull crap They're just standing there saying, oh we're gonna get something done by August. By August! How can you play that guy's clip without playing douchebag right afterwards? Oh I'm sorry. Douchebag! Bullshit! The uh... the... I do know this based upon an excerpt posted on Mike Rogers Senate website um this will all be based on RAS the Raz Test
2:30:46 And the RAS test is nothing new. A RAS stands for Reasonable Articulable Suspicion It is a standard and it actually is a standard that is deemed lower than probable cause In fact, the RAS test as defined by Maryland's courts As less than probable cause significantly less than preponderance of evidence Is typically used for traffic stops So they're pretending that the New York Times everyone's oh well into how can the New York Times say there's going to be an end to anything when there is no text available. There is no text available and how does this play into executive order one two triple three huh? No, and then Snowden!
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Edward Snowden Russian Influence Claims, Mike Rogers, Amy Goodman
Congressman Mike Rogers claimed on *Democracy Now!* that Edward Snowden is under the influence of Russian intelligence services and is responsible for Russian "expansionism." Host Amy Goodman noted that Rogers offered no evidence for these claims. The hosts criticize Rogers for attempting to link the NSA whistleblower to the Crimea crisis.
2:31:43 Says he welcomes Obama's plans for NSA reform. Oh, I'm sorry! Oh no... oh nononono Who is this guy? And what have you done with the original Snowden and what have you done with the real Snowden There are a couple of Snowden things going on. It seems like Snowden is being used as ping pong But my favorite clip, I picked this up from Democracy Now where Rogers goes after Snowden Which is the Snowden clip and then of course this is on Democracy Now so Amy Goodman actually makes a good comment afterwards. No counterintelligence official in the United States does not believe that Mr. Snowden, the NSA contractor Is not under the influence of Russian intelligence services We believe he is I certainly believe he is today
2:32:27 I do believe there's more to this story. He is under the influence of Russian intelligence officials today, he is actually supporting in an odd way this very activity of brazen brutality and expansionism of Russia. He needs to understand that I think Americans need to understand that. We need to put it in proper context. Congress member Rogers has yet to offer any evidence to back up his claims that Snowden spied for Moscow. Snowden remains in Russia after failing to win asylum and several other countries. Yeah, he's clearly responsible for Crimea! That is what he was hinting at
2:33:04 Now this guy is the worst. How do you, the people up there that have him as their congressman how do they live with themselves with this guy? I think he's senator isn't he? Isn't he a senator? No no no Feinstein is the Senator of the Senate Committee and he's head of the congressional oversight. What is interesting about this particular bill that has no number yet as far as I can tell, I know it's going to be called the FISA Transparency and Modernization Act which would probably mean non-transparency and a non modernization act is actually interesting because this will be going not into the Judicial Committee but to the House Intelligence Committee
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Tech CEO White House Meeting, Surveillance Dialogue, Dropbox and Palantir
President Obama met with top tech CEOs, including Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook), Eric Schmidt (Google), and Reed Hastings (Netflix), to discuss intelligence and privacy reforms. The hosts highlight the presence of Alexander Karp, CEO of the government-linked data firm Palantir, and warn listeners against using services like Dropbox and Box following their participation in the "dialogue."
2:33:47 which is a different path. Because it's going to be a secret? Yeah, that would... That is basically it along with the uh with all this bullcrap we finally got uh release of information about the president meeting with senior members of his team and executives from several leading US tech companies Tech! Tech! It's just like math, it's tech! Pisses me off as part of a continuing dialogue with the private sector, civil society and others on issues surrounding intelligence technology and privacy. The president used this opportunity to update the CEOs on progress in implementing the principles and reforms he announced on January 17th including the new presidential directive... Well smoking Cohibas! And drinking cognac Here's we know who was there now that that's really why I don't want to get too... The people in the meeting okay
2:34:56 Reed Hastings, yes co-founder and CEO of Netflix Drew Houston founder and CEO of Dropbox Dr. Alexander Karp founder and CEO of Palanitier ooh That's the big government search system Aaron Levy of Bach Eric Schmidt of Google's Mark Zuckerberg And that's it. No Microsoft, no Apple from the administration? Commerce... Wait a minute! That is a terrible skewed group Well I would say I would question putting anything in Dropbox or Box Yeah definitely I would say do BitTorrent Sync is probably better Twitter wasn't in the meeting
2:35:51 Twitter, they are the administration. Hashtag what was it? United for Ukraine. Hashtag united for Ukraine. Hashtag united. Pritzker was in there of course Valerie Jarrett John Podesta Lisa Monaco she's a national counter-terrorism Jeff Zients. That little twerp that was the UN ambassador and she's supposedly in the White House now what happened to her? She wasn't in a meeting, Susan Rice! I did see her at the NSS, at the National Security Summit she was not in the meeting it's all probably she was probably drinking with the Secret Service guys getting them all liquored up and ready for the party interesting mm-hmm alright well
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New 49ers Stadium Rules, Santa Clara Municipal Code, No Spilling Law
The Santa Clara City Council approved strict new laws for the new 49ers stadium, forbidding tailgating activities like throwing footballs or using kegs. The municipal code also bans "special reptiles," musical instruments (including kazoos), and "spilling" food or beer. The hosts mock the "no spilling" rule as an absurd level of behavior control.
2:36:50 All I got left is one kind of a local clip which i just thought was amusing because it was kind of a shut up slaves if you're coming to our always new stadium. You have to follow new rules oh sorry, I've been pretty good so far this show but this was slow. City council approved new laws for people going to games at the New 49ers Stadium Joe Vasquez has the list adults Once the new 49ers stadium is built, don't expect to treat it like the old one. This sort of thing... throwing a football in the parking lot will be forbidden! Maybe they're worried it'll turn out like that commercial? One big explosive mess. Among other items specifically forbidden? No kegs or flasks. No bugles air horns or other musical instruments
2:37:40 no special reptiles. And by the way, no weapons! A lot of these rules are just common sense but if we don't have rules that are listed in the municipal codes then we can't enforce them We just want to ability to be able to control some of the behavior out at park And perhaps the most challenging law of all, no spilling. No spilling the chili from your chili dog... ...no spilling your nachos and especially no spilling the beer! Hey wait a minute can you have a kazoo? No we cannot have a kazoo it's a musical instrument or band Is a kazoo a musical instrument or is it just a- It's a musical instrument Really?! It plays songs Can I sing can I sing a song was that using my voice as a musical instrument
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Jimmy Carter on NSA Surveillance, Snail Mail, FISA Act History
Former President Jimmy Carter stated in a PBS interview that he uses "snail mail" to avoid NSA surveillance, believing that all his digital communications are recorded. Carter noted that the original FISA Act he signed was intended to prevent the monitoring of Americans, but that the government now records everything and accesses it at will.
2:38:26 Oh, that's a good point. I think that that's kind of a gray area. Uh...I am surprised- And what about the spilling? So you're walking along with a chili dog and you trip and drop the damn thing were they gonna arrest you?! That's right! Well, uh yeah Don't spill and pledge allegiance and salute the troops. I'm surprised you didn't- I know you have the same clip but you didn't bring it up so i'm going to play my version because it was on the PBS hour news this PBS Power Hour, President Jimmy Carter. Oh yeah! Yeah I like this clip where he basically just tells it like it is... He has nothing left to lose this guy. He doesn't care. But you said in an interview just the last few days that you expect at the NSA, the government's been looking at your emails listening and on your phone calls so when you've got something important to say you said you send
2:39:24 by snail mail. Are you sure no one is reading your snail mail? I can't tell, I can't... Well that is constitutionally organized ma'am and I'm surprised you didn't know that. It's against the law! Period Yeah it's constitutionally against the law You cannot do that She should know better than to ask the question and he should have answered it Guarantee that but y'know I don't feel paranoid about it But it's been generally acknowledged that every telephone call made, everyone you make and receive by email including is recorded. And they claim they don't read those messages but they know that you made the call and to whom you made it and how long it lasted. If they later want to see your particular call, they can do so. I think that's very excessive
2:40:11 And I had to deal with that when I was president as well by passing the so-called Pfizer Act and that was designed to prevent any American intelligence agency from monitoring any single call of an American. Now, of course they record them all. Oh there you go! And I believe that to be the truth it is exactly what would you have said on the show? I said early yeah very early on...I think in 2009 It was a long time ago. It surely was it seems just like to like the perfect solution to their problems Just record every cord everything and when you need it go back into and it's real time is really easy by the way I've sat in court, and I've heard someone present evidence And you actually hear that lawyer and you going crap you put it that way I sound pretty guilty That's what these guys do they're good at it Yeah
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Show Outro, Sunday Schedule, Adios Mofos
Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude the episode from Austin and Silicon Valley. They remind listeners to "homeschool your kids" and maintain a "sugar-free, GMO-free" news diet. The show is scheduled to return on Sunday. Adam signs off with his signature "Adios mofos."
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