Mipster Intercept

00:00 I just can't see you on a skateboard. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, February 13, 2014. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 5-9-1. This is no agenda. Vaccinating human resources against mainstream melee in FEMA Region 6 at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin, Texas. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, plain and simple, I'm John C. Dvorak. Alright, before we say anything, did you purposely, were you late on coming in or do we have some kind of latency already? Oh, we have latency? Oh yeah, oh yeah, big time. I just waited three seconds for you to reply. Well that's funny because we didn't have it the last time we did this. That is very... We're testing a new package.

00:55 Yeah, yeah, that's very weird. We want this. He's not good. You want to go back to MIT? No, I think we should disconnect and reconnect. I don't think this has anything to do with the quality Of course it does no higher the quality the more latency that's obvious because of the okay I'll go back to me back to mid and you sounded fine on mid. How do you sound back on mid? Yeah, okay? I'm gonna count and you fill in the blank one two three four five six seven five six seven it's horrible It's really bad. I'm gonna disconnect. We'll try it one time and one time only okay there. We go away This is John's idea people. I just want you to know I didn't I had nothing to do with it. Hello

01:36 You didn't disconnect. I sure did Did you hit the disconnect button or close disconnect after hit close? No, you have to disconnect. I'm gonna hit disconnect and we should be done. All right disconnect then. Are you disconnected yet? No one needs to listen to this crap on a podcast are you there I just reconnected. All right. All right. All right. I'm gonna count one two, three four five It's not gonna work Well, the laugh after my five came immediate. I'm laughing because I'm not hearing you. Oh, you don't hear me at all? No, I hear you, but I counted one, two, three, four, five. Five. All right, fine. We'll try this. It may be just as bad as Skype. I don't know. What is this thing we're using?

02:24 This is called Vavi or Vovi or I have no idea. It's like movie with a V. Oh, oh, oh, it's a Silicon Valley thing. We had a meeting. We need to come up with a name. I don't know man. It's like... Let's name it after a shoe store. Yeah, a shoe store? Isn't that what Mevio was? No, Mevio not a shoe store. I thought it was a shoe store. What are you talking about? That's what I thought you said there'd be like somebody like some shoes from this place in South Netherlands. You are making this up. I've never heard of this. No, I just, everyone was told at the meeting. Whatever. All right. No, I mean, okay. Well, what was, how did Mevio come about? I have no idea. There was a, the domain name was available. Who cares? How can I, how do I get rid of it is a bigger question. That's, that's what we want to know. Anyway, so this is a new package. I have to say you sound spectacular.

03:18 It's just that I have a little you sound good to all right everyone's very excited about the new package Well in your package is an alpha so we use the ways off before anyone can use it. Yeah, all right now I good good good all right. Thank you all very much for the 800 emails saying that you believe Victoria Nuland said deets and not deeds I got it and that's actually makes me sadder than thinking that she had some details to work out and with the current Prime Minister of Ukraine. So instead of her actually having some deeds, like oil leases and deeds and something interesting, she's doing hipster valley girl speak and saying deets, which just makes me want to throw up.

04:08 That's horrible. Give us some background on this. Well you remember the clip. This was the clip we played on Sunday right? Yeah this is and I was trying to figure out, because she said, oh yeah why don't you talk to what's his name the prime minister of Ukraine and then make sure the deeds stick and I thought she was talking about the deeds and I don't know did you not get any emails about this? Zero? I got zero about this. Oh, I got a whole bunch. I think she said deets as in D E T S as in Valley speak for details. Oh, that's funny. It's not. It's disgusting. Our state department has to speak like that now?

04:48 Is that what? That is funny. I like it. My goodness. Hey, I got some deets for you. Yeah, it's sad. I can't even imagine some of these other things you could say. All my email was people saying, oh, they killed the guy who made the ring. They murdered him. We had that on the show. We said it was the biggest hoax. Yeah, that was just, that's what my email was mostly. Hold on a second. Let me play the Newland thing because I didn't realize that you hadn't received a single email about this. Which is interesting by itself. I didn't uh, let me just see i'd have to because it was at the end I think uh where she's talking about I think it's my snarky responses that have kept people away. Well, you know It's also just your last name people don't know how to spell it and without they don't even try They just give up back. No, they just give up. They're just like they don't even try. Oh, I looked everywhere for john's email address No, you didn't don't lie to me. I looked everywhere. It's everywhere. Here we go. Let's listen fuck the eu

05:47 Oh, there it is. Exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does, if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again, the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych did that. But in the meantime, there's a party of regions faction meeting going on right now. And I'm sure there's a, lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway, we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast.

06:30 The more I hear this, the more... and she's abbreviating everybody's name Yatz instead of Yatzikachabob. Yatz. I got Yatz and this guy, Jelly... we might land Jelly Side Up. Klitsch. Klitsch and Yatz. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... I think we want to try to get somebody within international personality to... Let's get some heavy guns in here, international personality. Come on, say deets. Come out here and help to midwife this thing. Midwife to midwife this thing? That's almost as bad as what I said during the test of this software. I talked about something being baked in. Yeah, you used baked in. I can't believe I said, hey, we got it baked in. All these metaphors, we've got to midwife this, if it gains altitude, we have to torpedo it, it could land jelly side up.

07:19 You'd think they were talking in code if you didn't know that they were just morons. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we probably regroup on that. Yes, on that. Let me talk about that. So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note, Sullivan's come back to me, VFR, saying you need Biden. And I said, probably tomorrow for an attaboy and get the deets to stick. Get the deets to stick. I guess I guess that's what you said. The deets. All right. We got the deets. Oh, I get the deets to stick. Yeah, the details. Yeah, I guess it's details. I was seriously like these people are high-ranking officials in the State Department of the United States of America. Yeah, they sound like a sorority group of freshman girls at some crappy college. I'm telling you, it's... Yeah. Well, indeed. Just this little

08:12 Doesn't sound right, okay? It's not right. You know he's side up so I started getting a whole bunch of tweets two days ago as it as the news report came out Donald Greg my uncle uncle Don arrived in Pyongyang and with a, that's North Korea. Yes, that's the capital. Yes, with an envoy. Now this is very interesting. How come I didn't get to go on this trip? Well, so here's the deal. So as you know, I had already reached out to Uncle Don and Aunt Meg about hooking up this summer and going to see them, which has actually turned into a little mini family reunion in Aramark, which is great because

08:57 You know, I get to see all of my cousins who have clearance. How many is that? All of them? Well, Lucy used to be married... What about Willow? No, that's my sister. She has no clearance. Zero. She's a relative? No, no, wrong side of the family. But my cousin Lucy, who actually is coming to Austin in April, so we'll see her before then, she was married to Christopher Buckley. Can you do me a personal favor? Sure. Have the place look through a bug detail and make sure that there's nothing planted. So you know who Christopher Buckley is, right? After she leaves. You know who Christopher Buckley is? Yeah, he's Christopher Buckley's, William Buckley's kid. Kid, yeah, exactly.

09:48 And you know, so there's all kinds of clearances and stuff over there. So anyway, I had reached out appropriately because we discussed on the show that one day Uncle Non's not going to be there anymore, he's 84, and you know, it's going to suck because I just won't have any, I need some deets. So I basically emailed and said, hey, you know, before this thing lands jelly side up, I need some deets from y'all. Can we come by? So it turned into a little mini reunion in August, which is great. We're going to go. And so we're going and I just confirmed this and then I see on see you know breaking news CNN Donald Gregg with several other and this is great several other members of the Pacific Century Institute Yeah, you got to look this one up The Pacific Century Institute now I had I was unawares

10:40 It's Pacific centuryinst.org I think Looking at it now, and I've done as much research as I could really get So there was an official envoy from the State Department which was cancelled And I guess these guys were going to try and see if they could get Kenneth Bay Jacked out or whatever And that was cancelled and then the next day Uncle Don with a couple buddies from the Pacific Century Institute show up and the State Department is very quick to say this is not sanctioned. They're not there on behalf of the on behalf of the United States. You know that this is not a wink wink nudge nudge. Well, I have to think John now that we know that you know Uncle Don went on he was ambassador to South Korea amongst many other things by the way his he is the let me see about

11:36 I gotta read this to you. He's the chairman of this operation. Have you seen his bio? Let me read this. On this site? Yes, yes, yes, yes. This is great. Following graduation from Williams College in 1951, he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, and it even has to say CIA in parentheses like we didn't know that. Just in case. Over the next quarter century was assigned to Japan, Burma, Vietnam, and Korea. I thought it wasn't allowed to talk about the Japan thing. Anyway, he was seconded to the National Security Council staff in 79, where he was in charge of intelligence activities and Asian policy affairs.

12:12 In 82, Greg was asked by then Vice President George Bush to become his national security advisor. He then retired, wink wink, from the CIA and was awarded its highest decoration, the Distinguished Intelligence Medal, which means that motherfu- I thought you couldn't talk about Fight Club. Well, when you get the medal, you get to, you know, I wonder what that is. My understanding was no one got to talk about the medal. Distinguished Intelligence Medal. I wonder what that- does that mean he's the best spy ever? Alright, and then he served as they make no mention here of Iran Contra I wonder why they don't put that in his bio that would be appropriate. That's when he became ambassador to South Korea.

12:56 But then you look down here, member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Recent awards include honorary degree from Green Mountain College, Secretary of Defense Medal for outstanding public service. the Williams College Kellogg Award. This guy is so elitist, but yet he's cool, which makes it kind of interesting. I think a lot of elites are cool. Yeah. I do know that he once did a talk for Goldman Sachs and then they sent him stock and he was so appalled because he wouldn't take any payment, he gave the stock back. That was a mistake. It was probably bugged. No, I think with Don,

13:40 As he was the one that essentially said, you know, Dennis Rodman the first time around not this time when he was puking in the hallways everywhere and shitting in the hotel. He said Dennis Rodman basically has the right idea. North Korea just wants, they don't want armistice. They just want to be a full partner. They want basketball. And skiing. And skiing. That's that's because Oon was a basketball nut. We've talked about this before. Yeah, we have all the details of it He liked the Chicago Bulls the most yeah, which is where Dennis played it was in one iteration Yeah, and he loves skiing because he lived in Switzerland so I send over a note to to Meg Please don't click that pan. It's so loud

14:21 We talked about this. This is different. This is me. I'll tell you what I was doing I had the keyboard on my lap, and I'm pulling out the little the little legs And then I'm pushing the legs back down. This is what caused me to keep hitting that stupid button Well could you not do that? I'm fiddling. I'm fiddling. Don't be so mean to me. Well just do it. Fiddle with something softer. No, I put the keyboard on the floor. Very funny. It's never that soft my friend. Okay, let me write that down. What is that? 23. So of course this is very typical cycle for North Korea.

15:01 where they have this kind of the carrot the stick thing like oh we're going to reunify the families but only if you guys don't do military exercises with what is being seen as a surprise invitation from north korea to south korea to take part in high-level talks in the demilitarized village of panmunjom yeah this invite comes as preparations continue for a reunion of separated families later this month And we've just had these pictures that have just come into us within the last few minutes of the South Korean delegation. Just a warning, there is some flash photography on the pictures you are about to see. They show the South Korean delegation departing for the talks to be held at the border. It has been more than six years since such high-level meetings took place.

15:44 with the North. Although an agenda has not been set before the meeting, the two sides are expected to discuss the major inter-Korean issues, including the smooth proceeding and the regularization of family reunions. A news conference there in Geneva, the North Korean ambassador to the United Nations urged Washington and Seoul to suspend their planned annual military exercises. So it's always the same thing. It's always, oh we want to bring everyone together but you have to stop the military exercises. Now I believe that Don is there to really make something work because you know, he's never, they don't show him anywhere. He goes on Fareed Zakaria CNN, Don says hey, you know, these guys just want to participate, you know, don't be such douchebags towards North Korea. I haven't seen him on the news since.

16:30 This is what, two years ago? Well it's because he's not part of the, he's obviously not read into the whatever script they want to run. And so I fire off an email to Meg, I'm like, hey you know, hey looking forward to seeing you. Hey, looking forward to seeing you guys August 16th. Oh just saw on CNN that Don's in NK. Said you know, any info was always appreciated. I should read you her exact email. It was, I don't have it in front of me. It was literally like, Great, the reunion's gonna be fun. P.S. Don trip low-key, which is code for shut the fuck up. Not even Don, just Don trip low-key. Okay. So yeah, and there's nothing, you can't find a single news report about it since.

17:25 This is not three days ago. You spotted the news report with a news report. The guy probably was fired. Hey man, don't do that. Anyway, so you may not have found out about it. So we're scouring the news and you know, so there is some, you know, some speculation. Maybe he's going to try and pop this Kenneth Bay guy free. I don't, I don't think so. I think, I think Don was probably requested by the South Koreans to try and make something work. He's highly respected in both South and North Korea. And he could be... Yeah, or not so much so that I could meet with the old man when he was still alive. Well, we talked about that. And you recall that he had sent movies over and he at least took a recommendation. Do you remember this? No. Yeah, he was going to send a package of movies to Kim Young-il. And we had on the show, we did suggestions. You don't remember this? Oh, I do remember the suggestions for the movies. We had some real prize winners.

18:25 Yeah, that's what we'd get. So that was the closest we got to you drinking Cabernet or whatever the old guy is... Anyway, so here's a Bordeaux. Here's one last little report on... This is all I could find on the North Korean situation. There aren't many ways to relax in North Korea. Here at the country's new ski resort, fun is accessed via military-style checkpoint and a creaky 40-minute crawl up the mountain. There's plenty of room on the slopes. This is a hobby reserved for North Korea's elite. The thing that's interesting about this is they make it sound like this is crazy ski lift. The thing is brand new.

19:09 The creaky, mad... You know, this sounds like a bad report and it's not probably reserved. Anyone who can afford or can get there probably can go skiing if they wanted. How many North Koreans are interested in skiing? None. But yeah, you can go, you can get there. I think they're open for business and this is something you said years ago. You said North Korea wants to be a tourist destination. We nailed it. It's probably in Red Book number one. Totally nailed it. We just have some issues with Yeah, it's like Russia. It's the same thing. All I see... It takes a long time to figure out how to do things and they won't listen to anyone. No, but the way it's being portrayed, if you walk out on the street and you say, what do you think Russia's like? I'm sure people are like, oh, it's all lockdown. It's crazy. They have crap food, drink vodka. They're drunk all day. They got nothing but KGB. And the toilets don't work. And the toilets don't, yeah. And it's like, yeah, in 1985,

20:05 But you'd think that America really does not understand that Moscow, you know, you can there's Prada stores. Whoo. They know who the Kardashians are in Moscow and in st. Petersburg if you travel enough You can especially in these countries that were developing like if you go if you've been I didn't go to Beijing and in the 80s But I was there in the 90s and then within five years It's like a different city and then as Shanghai just popped up out of nowhere is this huge? metropolis is modern metropolis with all this weird architecture and

20:41 And they can turn this stuff around. I mean, we've done it. Every place except Haiti, we can modernize in a drop of a hat for some reason. Haiti's jinxed. Now we rubalized Haiti. We rubalized Haiti. We did exactly what we're supposed to do there. Good work. So the Russian thing is bullcrap, and you see some of the reports from Sochi where they're actually in, it's a resort town on the Baltic Sea for the Russian elites. And they're trying to modernize it, in my opinion, they went through all this effort to modernize and drop the 51 billion in there to keep the Russian oligarchs in the country.

21:18 Because they were all going to San Trope and throwing money away on overpriced bottles of Dom Perignon. Actually, just as soon have actually money away in Sochi. It's no longer San Trope. It's what is the island down there off of off of the Italian coast? There's some island I'll go into now. Not yet. It's not. It's not Sicily. You talked about this. Yeah, we did. I just can't remember exactly. Corsica. Corsica. Was it Corsica? No, I don't think so. Corsica's pretty big. It was some other douchebag yacht town. Yeah, I can't remember. Anyway, it's not it's not Saint-Tropez anymore. It's just not. However, fascinating to of course now we have the gay thing and I wanted to state one more time to my lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, questioning, intersexed,

22:15 brothers and sisters, you are being misused. You are being abused by just by your own brothers and sisters, unfortunately, who are doing anything they can to collect money, all under the premise of Russia is horrible towards gays. And this ABC report which I picked up Really solidifies how out of touch the mainstream media is with what's really going on as apparently the only gays in Russia they can find are drag queens. I mean, this is it's actually offensive. It's really becoming offensive. And it's the same club, by the way, that BBC guy went to visit. We played that clip a couple of weeks ago.

23:01 He's like, oh yes, and now this club boy. I was shot at and you get some he's got some shill Who's just not even understanding the questions as a club been shot at? Because and there have also been but water attacks. Yes, maybe a gas attack. They tore up the roof Yes. Club Central Station, Russia's largest gay venue, is under attack. A shooting, gas attacks, vandalism. Patrons and staff horrified. And now the manager points out this. A bizarre morality patrol van that monitors the club, videotaping. There's like someone's Volkswagen bus on the sidewalk. And it might not even be true.

23:47 It's just a ridiculous report. Shame on you, ABC. Patrons as they come and go. Of course they're trying to make us uncomfortable to hide to not to go out. The names of several Central Station patrons have been changed to protect their identities. Alexei is 20 years old, intelligent, soft-spoken. Here you can't even go outside and say out loud that you're gay and it's not only forbidden, it can be dangerous for you. So it's not only forbidden, which it's not, you know, they just got some kid who dresses up and is a

24:25 is a drag queen performer to just say some stuff. And it's really, it's very disturbing. I think the gay community, even the whole idea of gay community, everything makes me mad. The whole thing makes me mad. Everything just, ugh. Let's see, I had another great example of that. It was, I guess Amazon has their new show. They're trying to compete with Netflix. So they have a show out called The After, I guess. I have no idea what it's about and I was told I should not watch it, but here is a clip solidifying how wrong, how misguided we are

25:07 In gay rights, which are just human rights are human rights and rights that you have, and this should... What shouldn't it... If they're gay rights, it should be lesbian rights and intersex rights and... and bicurious rights and straight rights. What is that? How about just human rights? And crimes are crimes. There's not... Hate crime, it makes no sense. It's a matter of fucking speaking. It's a matter of fucking speaking. Do you even have any friends? In high fucking places, you twink. How do you even know I'm gay? You're gay as fucking Christmas. You are just a hateful human being. It's some fucking parades I hate. You know, hate speech in itself is a crime. There you go. That's what we're teaching people. Hate speech in itself is a crime. Well, whatever it takes. No, it's... We gotta get to- It's the only way we're gonna slam down our, uh, our, uh...

26:02 Freedom of speech is by making everything like you know you got to think through everything. This is what's going on I think that's one of the big news this week I did get mail on this was the the drop of the United States and so far as the free press is concerned a number 46 on the world based on Reporters Without Borders, and of course everyone's all upset about this. I'm said they were number 33 that wasn't bad enough and But you know, we should start to start. When you start complaining about this at 40, 42, I'm not sure. Here's the thing that I found interesting. The Netherlands is number two. I mean, anyone who's from the Netherlands. Yes. Number two. Right. They were like number 10. Number two behind Finland. Go look it up. I have it right here. Number two. I have to go look at them now. Number two behind Finland, which made me laugh. What's the name of their? Yeah, it is funny. Yeah.

26:54 What do you mean? Reporters without boredom? Without boredom? What's it? RPG.org? Reporters without boredom is... that's the new name. Here it's RSF.org. And yeah, the Netherlands is number two behind Finland and I have very close ties with the Netherlands. That's a Stasi state! More than 2 million people were eavesdropped on by the... and this just came out in Dutch parliamentary hearings. I think it was 1.8 million people were eavesdropped. That's 10% of the population, by the way. 1.8, more than 10%. 1.8 million calls were eavesdropped on by the Dutch CIA and then given to the NSA. Just given to them.

27:52 Oh here you go, here's everything we've got. Here it is, Finland 1, Netherlands 2, Norway 3, Luxembourg 4. The government subsidizes journalists in the Netherlands. Yeah, oh yeah, everything's great here. Yeah, I'm not gonna complain. How can it be number two? This is a farce. Well if everything you say is true it is an obvious farce. But of course that made room for something very, very weird. I had not expected this to happen so quickly. I seriously did not expect Glenn Greenwald's first look, the intercept media thing, the 250 million dollar WordPress blog, I did not expect that, the first story out of the gate, to be compromised.

28:52 I mean I was blown away really they're doing this the first story they have is is a complete cover for the government how did you you saw the first story I presume John yeah the story was I have some clips about it The first story was, I thought it was very lame. In fact, I thought the first two stories were lame. The second one was worse than the first, which was exclusive photos of all the spy locations, Fort Meade and whatever. Anybody exclusive, if I take a picture of my thumb and publish it, it's an exclusive photo. You've never seen it before. This is a photo you've never seen before. And it was just a bunch of lame photos. I didn't even see that it was even remotely interesting.

29:32 Well, I'll take it one step further. And I also have a few clips because this was no coincidence as far as I'm concerned and I'm going to I just have to I have to call these guys on being corrupt. So they come out with this first story. And this first story is about how the NSA is apparently by itself responsible for the SIGINT, signals intelligence, which is used for drone strikes and drone targeting. And it effectively, the way I saw it, gave entire cover to the CIA who actually run the drone program, who have the kill list, who actually kill people with all kinds of intelligence. It put this squarely on the shoulders of the NSA.

30:26 In that entire article there was only one mention of the CIA. The rest was all NSA and NSA and NSA and NSA. Now what you're saying is you're reiterating a point that we made some time ago which is that this is a battle between the NSA and the CIA and you're now saying that this is a an example you're stunned. I'm going to take it one step further. You're stunned by this. I am stunned, yes, I am stunned that apparently, I can see it no other way. First I'll give you an example, here's Brolf and this is how the mainstream media, which is what most citizens listen to and watch, here's how he's interpreting this news.

31:09 which should be about the CIA killing people. of this new information, this new report, what are you learning? Well this goes right to the core of the drone program because it goes to how targets are selected. It comes from... This is very important. He's talking about the core of the drone program which is no longer the CIA apparently. Glenn Greenwald of course the source of the Edward Snowden revelations about NSA mass surveillance. He quotes a former drone operator. Yes and we have a new, and by the way John we have now a new unnamed source, a former drone operator, I know some of those,

31:52 So this is a new source, they come out on this day, apparently some rush that they have to get something up and going which is why it looks, you know, their feeds weren't even working for the first 48 hours. Saying that these targets are chosen really by metadata analysis and phone tracking rather than human intelligence on the ground, his reporting partner Jeremy Scahill called it quote death by metadata. and entering an era of pre-crime a reference to the movie minority report okay so while this is taking place right now we are seeing all kinds of movie clips this is another thing that happened in the past 36 hours 48 yeah 36 maybe 48 we're seeing movie footage you know references they talk about minority report he's saying death by metadata which is

32:38 literally connecting the CIA drone killings to the NSA metadata. And what this does is it encompasses two of the programs Obama has expanded while in office, both the drone program, the NSA surveillance program, and of course, Wolf, two programs that he's had trouble defending and has had to backtrack a bit now on NSA mass surveillance. it's really getting into the two of the most difficult areas for president obama in the national security space now this is not as i said the timing of this was very interesting they've rushed this website out this wordpress blog The feeds weren't working, there's a lot of things were wrong, it just it was it was a very... and the story was right, okay, so the terrorists take their sim cards jumble them up in a bag and somehow you know then we can't find them, track them, this is why we kill innocent people, there's no human intelligence on the ground. Sounds like bullcrap but

33:35 It comes out on the same day where we have this news which all of a sudden appears in Associated Press just out of the blue. Another report in the AP today, four anonymous officials basically saying the U.S. is currently contemplating a targeted killing action against an American citizen. This story was strange to me for a number of reasons. One, why are they talking now? Two, what is the purpose? And three, it seemed to kind of Now this is MSNBC and Jeremy Scahill, who of course there is some timing because the Oscars are coming up and his Dirty Wars is nominated. But he's on every single show plugging the death by metadata, connecting the NSA to the dronings.

34:19 And we have this story all of a sudden there's some unnamed terrorist, an American in an unnamed place who we need to go kill and for some reason... Exactly when this cover story comes out, the Associated Press gets the announcement about this from the administration. Interesting timing. Right. I mean, as you know, because you've talked about this probably more than almost anyone on corporate television, you know, President Obama has admitted that the U.S. has killed four U.S. citizens in a drone strike. The most prominent, Anwar al-Awlaki, this American citizen. to

35:13 court should take up very very quickly and that should be the subject of much debate in congress and not just from the ran pauls and the justin amash is of the world it should be something the democrats should actually pay attention to now i think scale is i think he's just dumb but i i i think uh... at least when he when he does interviews is not the smartest guy he always divulges too much i think i think he's right about this and there is a reason that the administration wants to Find out if they can legally kill an American citizen, of course, Brolf is on the other side. He's just doing what he's supposed to do Like a scene out of homeland elite US forces nabbing an alleged al-qaeda leader on the street This is very important like a scene out of homeland connecting your brain to homeland and we're seeing some grainy

35:57 Video footage. In a matter of seconds, the remarkable video is surfacing in the midst of a new debate within the Obama administration about its terror fighting tactics. The key question right now, should the United States kill, kill an American citizen who may be plotting an attack right now against the United States? Kill, kill, yeah, kill, kill. Then we have David Martin of CBS. who's going to give us the very short version of what this is really about and why we have this homeland tv show like look and footage all of a sudden popping up With the news that we're going to kill a citizen, with the news that it's all the NSA is doing. Well, officials confirm that indeed the Obama administration is trying to decide whether it can legally launch a drone strike against an American citizen who is working with Al Qaeda in an unnamed foreign country. In effect, execute him without a trial.

36:52 But the Justice Department first has to make a case that this American is actively plotting to kill other Americans and the Pentagon has to determine there is no chance to capture him alive and that a drone strike would not cause civilian casualties. Okay, so now we have the the Everything is spread and set so we need to prove that we can't capture the guy and we need to prove that there will be no casualties, no civilian casualties. Now, the civilian casualties will be covered by the NSA because we're going to have to change something there so that the NSA is clearly guilty of killing civilian civilians. But at the same time while this is happening out comes this footage from Libya that proves

37:43 that we know how to capture these guys, we just can't capture this guy. as US Army Delta Force commandos jump out and grab Anas al-Libi, an alleged Al-Qaeda operative. Alleged! In seconds, the suspect is captured. But raids like this one aren't always an option for terror suspects. The usual option? Drone strikes. So we're set. So obviously the public now knows we know how to capture guys because you saw the Homeland TV show.

38:25 You saw the footage that you know you saw the closed caption grainy video we know how to do we just can't capture this guy. Let's talk to some real experts. BBC has Alberto Gonzales. Now what do we know about Alberto Gonzales John? Well we know he was the stooge that lawyer that okayed the torture. Torture and wire the wire warrantless wiretapping. Yeah, no, he's just all in on everything. And he actually wrote a large portion of the drone rules of engagement. And the BBC unbelievably asks the right question.

39:09 Well, I think that is the challenge for the Obama administration in terms of the whole process of deeming this person an enemy combatant. He's an American citizen, but deeming him as an enemy combatant is a process or protocol that involves solely the executive branch. And it does call into question whether or not this American citizen is being afforded due process in the process of designating him an enemy combatant. And that's the challenge that I think the president has, the administration has, in the event that this issue ever becomes before a U.S. court. Which, of course, is exactly what we want.

39:47 because we want to have the Supreme Court say this is all okay. Here comes the smart lady from the BBC. You of course were in the Bush administration as the drone policy was being drawn up. It sounds though like you have some concerns about the White House targeting an American citizen abroad. Not necessarily. I'm in favor of the drone program. I think it's been very, very effective. But you're suggesting it might not be able to get through a court of law? Well, what I'm worried about is that when the program began, of course, we didn't target American citizens, as I recall. And also we didn't... Not sure, but that's what I... I'm not sure... not what I recall. We had the benefit of Supreme Court decisions that came about after the program began. So we're wiser today. We now know, I think we have a better understanding and feel as to where the court might go if this issue ever came before the court. See, they're pushing this, John. They know exactly what they want. They need to get

40:46 this for one reason and one reason only, so we can use drones on American citizens in the homeland. Wait for it. So, and I think that prudent decision makers should be cognizant of those decisions and should take those decisions into account in making decisions about how we prosecute the war on terror. But Mr. Gonzales, where does this stop? I mean, you know, what's to prevent one day the administration making a case that it should take out an American citizen who's actually on American soil. Well I think that that presents a much different scenario. There are additional constitutional rights that would attach and I think the administration would say that's not something we have any interest in doing. I love how that's pushed under the rug. No, no, we have no interest in doing that.

41:32 We have no interest in killing you in America. We're not interested. That's not something that we would ever consider. We'd never consider that. However, when you think about the possibility, the very real possibility, that the war on terror will be fought more likely in the future on U.S. soil, may involve more likely in the future. I'm sorry, this is breaking news to me. It seems like the war on terror will be fought on our own soil, John. This seems like everyone's in on this. We're missing the memo. This is very... Well, they would love to have this go off like this. Well listen to... I think these people are so deluded. Oh no no no no. As you can witness by these clips. Wait a minute, this guy. This, you want to hear deluded? Erin Burnett, who's had her baby. Her face looks beautiful by the way. After she had the kid. She's radiant. Very radiant, but they're only showing, you know, neck. They're not zooming out, which is, I'm suspicious.

42:28 So she had General Marks on, whose name is General Spider Marks. This would be a clue right there. He's retired. Spider Marks. Whose nickname is Spider? That's creepy. And he's going to take it one step further. Here is the megalomania that is rampant in our government. It's also the fact, and people have laughed at this point, but to me it's very important. That is, if you're going to have a conversation about whether it's okay to kill an American who happens to be overseas, who's plotting attacks against America, suppose that person

43:03 that person was sitting in Des Moines or in Washington DC all of a sudden people go, oh well that would be ridiculous we would never do it. Intellectually it's the same person plotting the same thing. If we would kill them with a drone overseas it would only be intellectually consistent to be willing to do it on American soil. My answer to that is why not? Why not baby? Exactly correct. In fact, go back to 1996 with Timothy McVeigh in the Murrah building. There he is, there's McVeigh again. We've heard this several times now. In Oklahoma City and the great tragedy that occurred in that. Let's assume for a second that drone technology existed. It did not in sufficient precision and detail back then, but let's assume intelligence was known about McVeigh. His rental truck

43:49 was in route the Murrah building. We knew and positively identified that he was in the vehicle. It was ready to explode and it was moving in the direction of the Murrah building. Why wouldn't we have used a drone to go after that thing instead of putting a bunch of law enforcement folks at risk to stop that? No, instead just- Why should we put law enforcement folks at risk? Yeah. Instead just explode this truck in the middle of, I don't know, the highway. This is truly insanity what this guy's talking about. Who is this idiot? General Spider Marks. I never heard of him. He's a retired general. M-A-R-X? M-A-R-K-S. He's insane. While you're looking that up, I'll wind this up with Brolf reiterating once again

44:36 that uh... it's the nsa droning people and not the cia what i want to make sure we heard from you are correctly about the nsa the white house about these allegations that the drone targeting uses uh... but uh... uh... cell phones better data what's going on in the focus is purely on the city and as they call signals intelligence rather than human intelligence sources on the ground i was able to reach out to a u s intelligence official also to the national security council in the white house and they said that for obvious reasons while they can't comment on specific intelligence methods they do make this point very strongly that quote our assessments are not based on a single piece of information that we gather and scrutinize information from a variety of sources and methods they also pointed wolf to a speech by the president last may when he talked specifically about drone strikes

45:22 strikes as they relate to civilians and he said that we have to have near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured the highest standard we can set. So pushing back very hard on this point that for any strike they're going to rely on any one single piece of information. And there's no doubt the drone strikes have escalated since President Obama took office from the Bush administration. Absolutely, both of these programs he inherited from the Bush administration, NSA surveillance and the drone strikes both expanded under Obama. So here's how I see the whole thing. This all comes out at the same time. We have a rush job of Greenwald's expensive blog coming out with a very... not even like a new story.

46:08 But essentially saying we've got a new guy. We have a new Leaker whistleblower. We can't tell you who he is He used to operate drones and he says the NSA is to blame for civilian casualties at the same time when all of a sudden For some reason we feel we have to announce we're going to kill an American citizen. We need to find out the legality and Well, we can only do that if he's plotting against the homeland, if we cannot capture him. Oops, there's the new capture video that shows we do know how to capture, we just can't capture him. I think what's going to happen, I think it's a red herring. I think what they're going to do is they're going to have some kind of congressional hearing about using SIM cards to track people and they'll blame the NSA and then someone will step up and say, oh no problem, we fixed it, we're good to go.

47:01 Meanwhile the CIA gets a free pass. Yeah, I'm not no I don't know I'm not it's an interesting I I can't I like what you you know I like the basis for I like where you when you get the spider But after that I'm not so sure that this is gonna get anybody a free pass for anything I think it is because for one thing the amount of tension is getting is only on these on CNN and free Now I mean they play a bit of it. Nobody cares. It's not really getting any you know. It's not getting any real traction You're right there will be a hearing and the you know the question of this then by the way And it's so it's such nonsense one of the claims is that oh all these guys get together It's like a swingers party. Yeah, like it seems out party. Yeah, and they throw it into a

48:00 Hat and then you grab somebody else you grab a sim and then you go off your that way you can't be but this bullcrap Because it makes no sense. Hello Abdul is that you know? This is Mohammed. Where's Abdul? I don't know. He just grabbed a random sim. He's just gonna have to make a hundred calls. I know it's not right I heard this too. I was thinking to myself This makes absolutely no sense No, it makes no sense at all. It's just like, oh, you know, yeah, I want to play roulette. I might be the guy who gets the bad sim. Yeah, that's the other thing. I just keep my phone off. Yeah. Well, we know that doesn't matter. Now this bull crap. Yeah. Well, we have, you didn't get any of the, I'm surprised you didn't get any of the clips because they, Scahill and Greenwald were on Democracy Now! talking about this.

48:55 And it was interesting because when you watch this, just as a quick analysis, Greenwald and Scahill are not going to get along. No. They're two different kinds of personalities. Greenwald can't stop talking. Yack, yack, yack, yack, yack, yack, yack. We can play a little bit of the of the clip that is about him coming to America. The Mike Rogers versus Glenn Greenwald clip. After the hearing ended, he reportedly said, quote, for personal gain, he's now selling his access to information. That's how they're terming it. A thief selling stolen material is a thief, said the head of the House Intelligence Committee. Your response? Well, first of all, Mike Rogers is a liar. He's outright lying when he says that I or any other journalists working on this case have. OK, I got to stop. This is not what Mike Rogers said.

49:48 He was very smart about it and this is now being twisted. He never said, I'm not defending the guy, but we played this clip. He did not say, uh, Grant Greenwald stole this. He said if someone steals, uh, fences stolen jewels... Yeah, no, that's what she said. Mm, yeah. That's not exactly what she said. And now... No, she doesn't say Glenn Greenwald in that clip. You can back it up and listen again. Because she read from the transcript. She insinuates something which is not entirely true and Greenwald, he's the liar. He's lying right now. After the hearing ended, he reportedly said, quote, for personal gain, he's now selling his access to information. That's how their... Okay, she said something else. After the hearing ended, he reportedly said. So she has nothing. That's just made up stuff.

50:36 That's not even from the hearing. sold documents or fenced documents. The one thing that's missing from his accusations is any evidence because none exist and I defy him to present any, but that's what Mike Rogers does. It's who he is. He just lies and smears people. With no evidence. But I think the more important point than the fact that Mike Rogers is a pathological liar is the fact that this is part of a broader campaign on the part of the Obama administration, as Jeremy said, to try and either threaten journalists that they will be criminalized or outright criminalize them by prosecuting us for the journalism that we're doing. It comes in the context of this coordinated campaign to call us accomplices by President Obama's top

51:37 National Security Official Keith Alexander... Which is another thing I do want to point out. No one has actually called Glenn Greenwald an accomplice. No one has even insinuated that journalists are accomplices. I have listened very, very carefully and these guys are way too smart. Yeah, but I don't care how carefully you listen. This is what the insinuation is. And I disagree. And this is the point they're trying to make to the American public, that these guys are part and parcel. And you ask people, is he a traitor or a whistleblower? That question alone implies something bad is going on with these people and they're obviously accomplices of some sort. I mean I'm not buying your argument here at all. I don't know how you can defend these guys because even though they're not saying Glenn Greenwald, they are saying... sorry? They're not saying journalists were accomplices. That has not been said once.

52:31 And I'm not defending the fact, John. I hate Gregory Mow. No, you can defend it all you want and I think you're right. They didn't specifically say that but that is just parsing what their implications are. I don't care that they never mentioned Germany. No, no, no. The context in which the accomplices mention was made was in the context of FSB Russia being a traitor not in the context of giving documents to journalists. I'm sorry that's just not the context in which it was said even though I agree that this is now being used that way

53:11 and for specific reasons, but that is not the context in which that specific thing was said. It was in the context of Russia selling to Russia and China and that's the context of the accomplices, not journalists. I'm sorry, that's just fact. That's all. So you don't think, so that's the stuff you played in the last show where Rogers was implying that, and not without using Greenwald's name, he was going out of his way to imply that Greenwald or one of these other guys should be arrested. Yes, he was. Well then what are you talking about now? Because I'm just talking about facts, John. That's all. I'm just saying that's not true.

53:55 This is two separate instances. What he was saying, what Rogers was saying, he was making a connection between selling stolen goods and stolen documents. He did not say anything, what he implied was obvious. He did not say what Amy Goodman just said. Allegedly, there's no transcript of that. I never heard that. And I'm saying that the accomplices piece which was a different hearing was said in a different context. It doesn't mean that it's not so, I'm just saying a fact, get over it. I'm not defending anybody but fact. Not a big deal. Oh I didn't even bring this little clip up.

54:37 for this purpose of debate. I know, but that's why it shouldn't be a big debate. Fine, yeah, they never mention Greenwald and, you know, I don't know what you're... He is, what I'm saying is, Greenwald is pulling this towards himself And he loves it. And that's okay. But he's wrong. That was kind of the point of this clip. I know, but I... Because I want to contrast him with what... Well, no, you're the one that brought all this other stuff up about Greenwald being the liar. He's lying right here. He's lying. That's all. I just want to point out he's a liar. He's lying when he says that what? What's his lie? That Mike Rogers called him an accomplice. That is a lie. That is not... it's what he wants and it was not what Rogers implied in that instance. That's all. Greenwald is lying and he knows it but he likes it. He wants to be targeted. If you listen to it again, he's not saying that. He just says Mike Rogers is a liar. He's a pathological liar and he harps on it.

55:39 Does there anywhere in there that he says that Mike Rogers called him an accomplice? Yes. The hearing ended. He reportedly said, quote, for personal gain, he's now selling his access to information. That's how they're terming it. A thief. So I'd like to know where this came from, because this is nowhere. Selling stolen material is a thief, said the head of the House Intelligence Committee. Your response? Well, first of all, Mike Rogers is a liar. He's outright lying when he says that I or any other journalists working on this case have sold documents or fenced documents. The one thing that's missing though he didn't say that we don't know that he said that but okay from his accusations is any evidence because none exist and I defy him to present any but that's what Mike Rogers does it's who he is he just lies and smears people

56:27 That's what I'm saying. That's not factual.

57:10 documents to the CBC and so what you're really seeing is the Obama administration has been worse on press freedoms than any president since President Nixon as James Goodall, the former New York Times National General Counsel said. You can stop him because he goes on for another hour. So, so Scahill, which is the point I'm trying to make here, Scahill who will not get along, I guarantee it over time, I'll give it six months, will not be able to get along with Greenwald because Scahill is one of these picky guys who likes to throw out little details and like you said talks too much and brings out too much. This is an example of when you Scahill gets back in there he's asked the question but immediately has to rebut Greenwald before he can answer the other question. This is the comparison clip. Jeremy to the JSOC operators account. I'm sorry is this I'm sorry wrong clip.

58:04 I didn't understand. Here we go. And in a later part of the piece, it says, one U.S. official said the Defense Department was divided over whether the man is dangerous enough to merit the potential domestic fallout of killing an American without charging him with a crime or trying him, and the potential international fallout of such an operation in a country that's been resistant to U.S. action. Another of the U.S. officials said the Pentagon did ultimately decide to recommend lethal action.

58:45 Right. You know, I mean, again, I mean, we haven't I haven't seen this this piece yet, but you know, there are a number of of Americans who we already understand have been cleared at some point over the past several years for being hit in these targeted strikes. One of them, my understanding is a guy named Adam Gadon, who is basically a propagandist for Al Qaeda, who is from the United States. It's a US citizen and will This is the comparison clip. Is this, are you playing comparison clip Skahill Betters Greenwald? Yes I am. That's the clip I'm playing. Doesn't even sound like him. But that's the clip I'm playing. No, it is him though. Yeah, we have another minute and twenty- He does in this clip, I mislabeled the clip. In this clip he actually identifies the guy that's gonna be executed or the guy that's under debate which I thought was weird because nobody else has mentioned this guy. He's saying it's Adam Gadon? I thought he was already dead.

59:44 I don't think Adam Gadon is dead. I think he would have been mentioned since he's an American if he's been killed by us. Oh, hold on a second. I always thought he had already been droned. Let's see. I have to consult the Book of Knowledge. That would be very interesting if it was him. We'll play the rest of it because he does have a couple interesting tidbits. with killing American citizens without presenting any evidence against them. And I think that's the real issue here. You know, the current guidelines that the White House is using still permit the killing of Americans and non-Americans on a regular basis around the world using these drones.

1:00:35 To an extent, the White House has started to believe its own propaganda about how precise these strikes actually are, in part because when they get a cell phone or they blow up someone's cell phone, they're told, well, we got the target. And in the jargon of the operators who do these missions, you know, when you get the phone itself, it's called the jackpot. And when you confirm that you've actually killed the target, it's called a touchdown. So how often are these jackpots being passed up to the White House as, you know, touchdowns, as confirmation that they've killed the individuals in question? But I do think it's chilling that we live in an era where a man who won the Nobel Peace Prize and is a constitutional lawyer by training is streamlining and creating a mechanism for making assassination, including of U.S. citizens,

1:01:24 a normal part of our what's called our national security policy. So here's, I agree with you that they will not last together and here's the reason why. Glenn Greenwald is in on this game. He has been in on it from day one. He's been in on it since his days being funded by Adobe at Salon, which is a complete Adobe funded operation. He's been, they must have something on him, I'm sure. He sent his boyfriend purposely through London He leaks his own the his own news to BuzzFeed about his great new venture with Pierre drive my car the guy is in on it and When the script screws up because believe me clappers not he's dumb, but he can he can read most of the script most of the time and

1:02:18 And even the Guardian is drawing all these conclusions and when the script doesn't go right, then Glenn will pull it towards himself. And this is ultimately for the Media Shield Law and Glenn Greenwald will get a license. But he's in on it. This guy is in on it. I'm sorry. And I think Skaehil's not. I think Skaehil, that's his problem. He's real and he's gonna start messing up and saying too much. Which is exactly what happened when this whole venture leaked, so-called leaked, through BuzzFeed by Greenwald himself. He's in. He's in on it. He's in on it with Snowden. It's, you know, call it whatever you want. Limited hangout. Whatever it is. And it's all to

1:02:59 to rein in the NSA and cover up what the CIA is really doing. That's all I can see. Well, I'm not going to disagree with that because I think that's been our premise all along. But Greenwald is so good at, and this is the thing that I think is going to get, here's the problem if you're working in this publication. I am scatheel. Greenwald's really the editor. He even has his own little section there on the masthead. You get like everyone else is under News and he's got his own thing his own button, so he's editing himself Which is always a bad thing for guys who aren't to our gutters an agenda and his the latest thing and what I was getting out of these clips including this one just the clip you want to play now is will Glenn Greenwald come back to the US mm-hmm he is setting himself up as Martyr I mean he's not an idiot. No he is setting himself up for a series of

1:03:55 sub but but close to million dollar speeches on a circuit in the US that's gonna he's gonna walk away with five plus million dollars on the speaker circuit I agree because that's what everything I've watched him do has been leading up to this and this clip kind of to me gives it away that he's got some plans ahead. Our lawyers, they obviously want to keep us in a state of uncertainty and this recent escalation of rhetoric and accusations obviously makes that concern more acute. At the same time, just on principle as an American citizen, I refuse to be kept out of my own country.

1:04:31 for the crime of doing journalism and so I absolutely will come back. I'm gonna pick the time to do it when I feel like I understand the risks and am as protected as I can be but under no circumstances will I allow this intimidation campaign to succeed either in deterring me from doing the journalism I do or returning to the country of which I'm a citizen. Yeah, yeah, he's you know he's gonna get detained and he'll be tweeting about it He's he'll be detained like you were yeah, of course and like Laura Poitras says she's been and like Jacob Applebaum says he always is and all these people. Yeah. Yeah. Where's the videos? Yeah So Greenwald is just in on it. He's just in and he's shwarmy shwarmy. He's icky. He's

1:05:20 And that opening piece on The Intercept was shite. Nothing new with your anonymous source. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not buying any of this. So play this clip because I thought this was the clip that you already played. Kill a third American clip. AMY GOODMAN, The Cook Political Reporter, The Washington Post.

1:06:01 actively planning attacks against American overseas—Americans overseas, U.S. officials say—and the Obama administration's wrestling with whether to kill him with a drone strike and how to do so legally under its new, stricter targeting policy issued last year." Your comment? I haven't seen the article yet, but that first paragraph should be shocking to every American and yet at this point I think we're probably all kind of accustomed to it despite how radical it is. What's that? I just wanted to say that's good. You're mumbling. You stop. Oh, you're mumbling. The last one I just want to play this because again, Scahill's trying to one up. This is the thing that's going to really cause some problems.

1:06:45 Skay Hill shows that he actually has some connections besides just a bunch of papers that Snowden handed over to us a tar ball from from a recursive curl yeah, so he keeps throwing this kind of thing and this is the Scahill, the Scahill track him whack him little thing tidbit and he kind of in this discussion which went on forever mostly with Greenwald talking every time Scahill came in he'd throw in some some I don't know uninteresting but kind of interesting inside baseball the Star Trek-y guy fact that was, you know, oh, he must know somebody to get this, and even though it could be bullcrap.

1:07:38 Talk about the significance of his experience and who he is. First, just something to follow up on what Glenn says. You know, the teams from the NSA that are involved with this program are called geocell, geolocation cells. And their motto is, we track them, you whack them, meaning that the NSA will find these individuals, and then the military or the CIA will actually conduct or carry out these hits. And as to the other question that we were talking about, about the relevance for people in the United States. Yeah, this is not new by the way. We already heard this. This is all old news. Yeah, well he's not gonna let Greenwald blather on for hours. Right. With no facts, just bitching and moaning, which is what he does. I don't know if you listen to Greenwald, there's actually nothing in what he says. And he's on the satellite, and when someone, you know, there's always that satellite delay and he'll be talking. So I'm gonna talk and then you're gonna pretend like you want to, you're gonna go, uh, uh, Mr. Greenwald, okay? Okay, here I go.

1:08:36 So yes, and of course we've been named accomplices and Clapper is an incredible liar and everyone's just a big liar and... Well before... Wait, before you go on... That's how he does it. Have you ever noticed that? He raises his voice. To shout over you on the satellite delay. He's got to stop doing that. We actually have to find some examples of that. Oh, we've played examples of it where we were laughing about it. Yeah, I know, but we didn't think of it in those terms. He just likes to be on, he just likes to yak. He's a guy who has a chatterbox. Yes, that's exactly what he likes to do. And so someone sent me The Guardian.

1:09:18 And so here is, Clapper called on Snowden and his accomplices to return the documents the former National Security Agency contractor took. And now the Guardian, of course, wants to rectify or clarify this. And Clapper spokesman Sean Turner clarified, Director Clapper was referring to anyone who was assisting Edward Snowden to further threaten our national security. But you know, it's drawing the attention to himself is what he does. And he does that through his incessant yakking and it's also horrible. Yeah, it is. Absolutely. If it really was, and everyone loves Glenn Greenwald, where was everybody on the day we fight back? What happened there? That was February 11th. I found out about it the day after it happened. Me too. The day we fight back.

1:10:17 And of course the reason is that Wikipedia and Reddit and Google and no one participated. You put a little banner because they really don't want to stop what's going on. That's what's happening. This was supposed to be the big, oh, you know, this was supposed to be SOPA, SOPA PIPA 2. Yeah, well it wasn't, I don't even know who was behind it. EFF, I think was the main Well, it was supposed to be Silicon Valley. It was supposed to be here we go here at EFF demand progress a CLU reddit credo Greenpeace web we want ThoughtWorks duck duck go Mozilla tumblr The wiki media where was everyone shutting stuff down like the last time they didn't do it Why because they don't really want this to stop that's why the day we fight back org

1:11:23 It was... So I went to an event, I went to an event last night. I got out of the house, I went to an event. It was supposedly, they said, you can't do any reporting on this. Although you could tweet about it, which I figured, well, this is the same thing doing a podcast. So I can report on it. But all the data is publicly available. So it was Richard Edelman, the head of the large public relations company, the largest independent public relations company. His name is on the door. Edelman came out from New York to present this thing, which is the annual trust survey results.

1:12:02 And it's actually, I'll set you up with a link to the slideshow because you can get most of it from that. But it's about how various publics trust or distrust their own government with a list of all the countries that are highly trusted and the ones that aren't by their own people. And then there's cross references, how many people trust other governments and how we don't trust the Chinese to do business with them or the Russians and goes on and on. But he's been doing this for 14 years and The one thing that really showed, to me, showed up as the most important thing that I learned by listening to this, and especially listening to somebody giving PowerPoint slides and talking about it is a little different than just looking at the slides, because they will point things out.

1:12:49 It began when he first started doing this and it's just been growing. The most trusted source of information, Laval just asked you what do you think the most trusted, the most trusted source of information, where does it come from? And this is in the United States for American citizens or for the world? This actually turns out to be worldwide but it is in the United States, profound. The most trusted source of news? Yeah, if you got some news coming, is it just your guy across the street that's tweeting something? Is it a broadcast news media? Is it TV? Is it Howard Stern? I would say the most trusted news is worldwide CNN. No. What is it? No news organizations. Okay, take news organizations out and now give me one. Twitter. No.

1:13:42 The most trusted source period of every of and this is when you think about it because of what we've noticed this on the show but we've never actually seen any data about it NGOs. Oh yeah of course yes non-governmental organizations yes of course of course like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, all these state department funded operations yeah It's until you see the numbers and realize that oh because it is obvious It's the way you reacted to it is the way I reacted to it when I saw it and I said yeah This is the whole idea. This is why these things are so popular and that's is when we start when we start Breaking them apart we find the usual suspects. This is why exactly like Mother Jones and ProPublica which is the same thing

1:14:35 So and at all of these non-profits, you can say I think NGOs is almost... misnomer because people don't even look at them as NGOs. Well, it's a non-profit organization. They're for human rights. I mean obviously Greenpeace is not... No, NGO is an inside baseball buzz term. It is a term, yeah. Nobody calls them NGOs. No, they call them by what they are, Human Rights Watch. Well, obviously they're non-profit. Amnesty International. Yes, of course. They've been doing this for years, obviously. Yeah, what we noticed on this show is that because they're so co-opted they're co-opted that be Southern poverty law Center Southern poverty law Center another great one. It's Edelman spotted this first spotted this trend and it's growing by the way, but he first spotted in in

1:15:27 14 years ago, which would be the year 2000 or so when he started doing these presentations and I think what happened is that because the people that are at this presentation is a real weird mix of public relations folks and journalists and CEOs kind of like a weird How did you get invited? What happened there? Yeah, well One yeah is more stories to be told but somebody gave me said you can come and then they told me late and so you know I didn't realize it, but they're not supposed to be anybody reporting on this and I said well reporting on I won't report it I just want to get the facts and I do know what's there and then I went to and I said and my response is nobody can report on it was What's there to report?

1:16:14 I mean they already put the slideshow out in the public domain which is available and you can anyone could just google it and get it. There's nothing to report really and so I thought that was kind of weird it was just like I don't know make it seem more secretive. It's bullcrap but this the NGO so I figure when they started spotting this at you know 15 years ago or so That's when the co-opting began. Because the smart money is sitting there saying, huh, we can't seem to get our message across as a company. We can't seem to get our message across as a government agency. And by the way, the government numbers are down in the toilet for believability. Nobody just, they just don't believe anything the government says, the worldwide public.

1:16:58 It's like 14% the number is ridiculous. But so what you do is you take a look at this and you go, I got it. Why don't we just create these crazy? Cause there's thousands of these things by and we find one link to another, you know, we start looking at one, Oh, these, the head of the other one. And this is, and they just get a lot of government money or corporate money. And then they tell this corporate story through the NGO and it works like a champ. The public laps it up. I saw this as the media. I saw this firsthand when, uh, In 1996, Reebok was my client of the company Think New Ideas and we built PlanetReebok.com.

1:17:38 And you may recall at the time, and of course there were bulletin boards and the internet was just kind of exploding, people were learning that they had a voice. And all over the Reebok, planetreebok.com site, people saying, yeah, you know, you guys, you use like child labor to put together your stuff. It's all, you know, children are dying of your glue. They were really freaked out and I don't remember who they're It might have been Edelman. They're big enough to hire Edelman they made a sizable donation to human rights now I didn't know that outfit still exists and human rights now put together a Delegation and they went down and they all checked it out and everything's all good and we took pictures and some videos and we put that on the web and and the little kids looking all happy with no glue on their hands and

1:18:26 And human rights now took care of it. And that's just another one of those bullcrap organizations. Unfortunately, a lot of them, there is some, not all of them, some actually do some good things. You wonder now. The other little trend that kind of got my attention, even though I knew this, I kind of knew this, but I didn't know the numbers or see it in action. They had a series of slides and they did a bunch of studies on if you say you're a company and you're trying to get your message across who is the best person within that company that can actually get people to believe you. Oh Bono? That would be close but that's actually on the list but it's not it. It's not Bono, it's not the CEO.

1:19:20 It's not the public relations company. There's a whole bunch of things. It's the guy on the factory floor with the hard hat. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, it's the employee. Yeah, so the idea is so we can see this coming down Broadway that in fact I think a lot of this stems from what Adam Curtis did when he did that documentary showing that the news source the news sources are going to the man on the street. Yeah, and This is an extension of that where you just had a thing blew up. Right, right, right, exactly. And you say, what do you think happened? I don't know, but it's bad. Wow. And this is a news report. So we're doomed here. The only people that are going to... This podcast is one of the few things that's an outlier because it's not falling for any of this crap. And for that very reason, I want to thank you for your courage

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1:32:22 Well the ministry of truth is Becoming even smaller now as Comcast is going to acquire Time Warner cable I think this is quite good or bad for you. I think it's bad for everybody. It's a lot Yeah, I have time is it good or bad for you? Your quality of your connection. Oh, it's not just that it's it's it's who who is the gatekeeper? Yeah, Comcast will pretty much What do we have left? If Comcast and Time Warner Cable... Charter. Yeah, Charter's small though. They're not that big, are they? They actually tried to... In fact, they're the ones who triggered this purchase. Yeah, they offered $130 a share, I believe. And this whole thing is... I would strongly advise our administration to not allow this to happen.

1:33:27 Yeah, I know how silly am I and and the only thing I care about is Is the connectivity because all we'll have well Austin is an interesting town for this Comcast is competing against AT&T AT&T is competing is they're really trying to jump the gun on Google's fiber thing Which is apparently coming this year And they're offering their giga maximum flukum luckensh. They're doing it well because they've got all Austin celebrities kind of musician types and people you'd recognize, you know, with crazy hair. Oh, there's that guy with the dreadlocks. Yeah, I've seen him play at the market on the corner. Seriously. Yeah. And some models that Mickey has actually used for some photography. So it's their local Austin people and they're doing a good job. But man, that's all we're going to have. We're going to have AT&T.

1:34:23 Time Warner slash Comcast I guess and then whatever Google comes up with but Google is they won't really be fully rolled out for years to come before it's all over Austin. Yeah, then they'll sell it to somebody else. Yeah, but the whole thing is you know that's what I'm worried about. It's about the the internet. I'm not so I don't give a crap about the television. Yeah, you have one gatekeeper. You can only subscribe and even get a connection if you only watch NBC. Yeah. That's pretty much what it comes down to. I don't see how they can get away with this all these conflicts of interest and monopolies positioning. It's ridiculous. I don't think they care. No, they care if they were told no. Yeah, well. So the president took his pen and phone campaign on the road which very interesting what he's doing. This by the way is what Barack Obama does best.

1:35:28 He loves going out with a message, something simple, and communicating that to the sheeple. And he did something, there's a lot of mind control going on. So this is really, really quite interesting. Where he, so we had an executive order, he already announced this in the State of the Union. He was going to raise the minimum wage of federal employees and contractors, I believe, to $10.10 an hour. the 10-10 rule, which I guess is put in because it's easy to remember. And this is so Atlas Shrugged what he does here where he's going to connect a great company being Costco to working for the government because they pay a lot and they care about you and they'll keep you in employed for 20 years or more.

1:36:23 This is this is true mind programming going on and there's another little gotcha in here, which is just hilarious To show that anyone who applauded and laughed at this is so out of touch with reality And you know when I was over at the Costco store, I was meeting folks who had started off as bull crap When I was over at the Costco store I was meeting folks who was registered they started the cash register. Okay. Hello. I Mr. President, when you start at Costco, you are not at the cash register. That's a premium job, dude. You do not start at the cash register. You start stacking, which is a dangerous job. So you're wrong.

1:37:12 in supervisory positions and... Oh, they're supervisory positions. I'm supervising you! ...had been there for 20 years and you could see the kind of pride that they had in the company because the company... When did he start talking like this? That's right, that's right. Wait until you hear what he says next. When did this... when did this happen? I don't remember this two years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he'd had different... that was different. This is... No, but now he talks like this. He talks like George Bush. No, it's a little more... there's a hipster thing to it. You go, I don't want to. You got a toilet? It's kind of an up talk with a back flip. Cared about them. I even received a letter the next day from a woman who saw my visit on TV. She decided to apply a job for Costco. Oh, okay. Let me get this straight. So the woman's sitting at home and she has no job and she sees you on TV and went,

1:38:07 I think I shall apply for a job at Costco. That seems like a great place. Is he gonna get a board seat or something on Costco? This is ridiculous. But to insult the millions of jobless Americans who I think stand in lines five deep to get a job at Costco, opening the door for people, And to say some lady just saw him on TV. Oh, I'm gonna go get a job over there. There's so many jobs! It's really, really insulting. She said, let me apply for a job at Costco. Why apply anywhere else? There's plenty of jobs. So across the country, owners of small and large businesses are recognizing that fair wages and higher profits go hand in hand. It's good for the bottom line. Okay. What? It's good for the bottom line, which is exactly not true.

1:39:09 Let me see, more expenses, good for the bottom line. Got it. As America's chief executive. Oh-ha! He's, as he's the runner of the corporation, as the CEO of the United States of the Gitmo. I agree. So while Congress decides what it's gonna do, and I hope this year, and I'm gonna work this year, and urge this year that they actually pass a law, today I'm gonna do what I can to help raise working Americans' wages. So today, Do you hear the the shill in the back trying to get everyone going that's pretty fun Yeah, it's like it one of those good TV studio, and then no one did anything and it goes again. Whoo Ray is working Americans wages so So remember now you've just heard how Costco is so great people are running to go work for them and because they pay more and now

1:40:12 So today I'm issuing an executive order requiring federal contractors to pay their employees a fair wage of at least $10.10 an hour. And these are obviously the people who are going to get this raise. This will make a difference for folks. Folks right now there's a dishwasher at Randolph Air Force Base in Texas now this is where he gets a little messed up because there's a lot of numbers on the prompter and it's very complicated to read all them when you're excited Megan $7 and 77 dollars and 76 cents an hour. Yeah, 776 an hour You can just see how it was in the prompter

1:41:03 Someone did 776 or there was it was there was no decimal or something was wrong and he couldn't figure it out 777 it may have been it may have been written also like they'd like to do so it says it was 776 and he just plowed through it. So he got to the second part of 770 in the read and he said, wait a minute, I just said this. Yeah, it was on a second line. That's right. It was 770. 770 was something an hour. Cents an hour. 776 an hour. There's a fast food worker at Andrews right down the street making $8.91 an hour.

1:41:46 There's a laundry worker at Camp Dodge in Iowa making $9.03 an hour. Making. Once I sign this order, starting next year, as their contracts come up, each of them and many of their fellow co-workers are going to be paid. Oh, sorry, and it ended there. I got bored. As their contracts come up, when they sign that, doesn't he just have to go to that immediately? No, not us. What do you mean, as their contracts? What kind of contract we dealing with here? Yeah, I don't know. Who's making minimum wage? Hey, sign this contract. Yeah, sounds a little sketchy, doesn't it? No, I think he doesn't know. He ad libbed that. This is like, he doesn't even know how it works. I think he means when the contracts come up of the contracting corporations, they're the contractors and their subcontractors. Okay, you're right. So it's 10, 10 an hour starting January 1st, 2015, and then beginning January 1, 2016, and annually thereafter, an amount determined by Secretary of Labor

1:42:47 The amounts will be published. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't see that part. They're going to start at a regular increase rate. What is your view, John, on a minimum wage at all? Do we actually have a federally mandated minimum wage? Does that exist at all in America? I'm unclear if that's state or federal. I always thought it was a state priority because we have in California, I think it's 11 or 12 bucks. As we speak, it's gone up and especially in different cities have a minimum wage. I know that there is a federal minimum wage. So federal contractors in California, well, it'll go down for them. They go down to 10. State trumps federal. Or should. I don't think that there is a, there is a federal man, federally mandated minimum wage. It's all by state. That's, that's the way I've always understood it. Well, we can look it up. Keep playing. I'll look it up. There's nothing left to play on that.

1:43:46 No. I found it. What is it? I just found it to be... what is this? Application to tipped workers for workers covered by section 2 of this order who are tipped employees the hourly cash wage must be paid by name... oh this is interesting. Oh this is very... this is... I hadn't... oh man. Section 3, application to tipped workers for workers covered by section 2 of this order who are tipped employees which means you make no money except for tips. So I guess that's

1:44:22 if you're working at the where the dishwasher is making nine bucks and you're just working for tips. Pursuant to 29 U.S. Code 203T, the hourly cash wage must be paid by an employer to such workers shall be at least $4.90 an hour. I have a U.S. Department of Labor site. It says the minimum wage, there is one federal minimum wage provisions are contained in the Fair Labor Standards Act 725. Here's how they get around the state trumps federal. Listen to this. I love this wording. Many states also have minimum wage laws. Some state laws provide greater employee protections, protections and better price. Employers must comply with both. So if the state says it's going to be 11 bucks, you have to comply with that. So why didn't the president... Because you have to comply with both. Why didn't the president just make the federally mandated minimum wage 10-10? Is he a pussy? What's wrong?

1:45:20 I think this was passed by Congress or some... I don't know, maybe this was done by... He's the king? ...within the Department of Labor. I don't know. I thought that's what he was trying to do. No, this is only for federal workers. So this is why you want to go... Oh, that sucks. You want to go work for the government. This is the whole thing. Yeah, that totally stinks. He should be for everyone. No, this is only for government workers. The federal minimum wage provisions and maybe this is only for government workers. It is only for government workers. That's what I'm telling you. $10.10 an hour for federal. No, I saw but maybe the $7.25 is only for government workers. Oh, that's possible. Yeah, that has to be the case. That's the only way that would make sense what he's up to. Visit to employers. I'll have to look or read this thing over. Huh? Okay. Well, screw him. Yeah, I'm not thinking this is a very

1:46:20 I have my problems. It's not very aggressive for a big talker. No, I have my issues with the idea of a minimum wage. I think it actually hurts. You know, I'm not an economist and people can and will argue. And please just don't send me email about this. I don't need to hear your, you know, I get enough grief from John on the show. I don't need to hear about, you know, that you know it better unless you're Paul Krugman and I'll argue with you. If you have a Nobel Prize in economics, I think I like the minimum wage. I don't think it's a big deal. Everybody makes a big stink about it. Mostly the Republicans. Oh, how am I going to pay my illegal alien Mexican person to clean my yard? No, that's no use a contractor and they'll screw the guy over.

1:47:06 No, I like markets setting the prices. I think that makes more sense. You know what, I'm pumping my own gas and there's less service everywhere, which is because there's less jobs because you don't have college kids working for tips anymore or just running around checking your oil. wiping down the your windshield. No because the last time you in Oregon by the way it's required by state law that you cannot pump your own gas or check your oil. Right well it has to be somebody has to come out and do it for you. Yeah and I and it's a jobs program. Yeah and I think that minimum wage hurts

1:47:49 Lot of job opportunities. I have no I'm not an economist and people argue about this all the time But my gut tells me that that's that that's kind of the case Yeah, you would be that way after listening that Tom Perkins thing I can see where you're coming from very interesting that you bring that up seeing as Scott Adams completely agrees with me He wrote it. He wrote a very interesting piece called nerds are taking your lunch money and And he's, it's in the show notes, he even had to say, because probably people like you are yelling at him, warning this blog is written for a rational audience that likes to have fun wrestling with unique or controversial points of view.

1:48:33 It is written in a style that can easily be confused as advocacy for one sort of unpleasantness or another. It is not intended to change anyone's beliefs or actions. If you quote from this post or link to it, which you're welcome to, please take responsibility for whatever happens if you mismatch the audience and the content. That's exactly what happened to me. Well played, well played. Do a Scott Adams essay at me. Why don't you just play the douchebag thing and aim it at me? Is Perkins sort of a dick? Yes, but I have some respect for the fact that he's not trying to be a phony and based on what I've read online most of his critics are ignorant dicks.

1:49:10 That seems one level worse than being a well-informed dick. The Nazi analogy wasn't politically correct, nor was it brilliant choice because all analogies cause fights and when you throw in some Holocaust references, you're just asking for trouble. My verdict is Perkins' point about escalating contempt for the rich potentially leading to violence is legitimate, in large part because the media contributes to economic illiteracy and highlights the bad apples in the top 1%. He's totally agreeing with my point about Perkins. Okay, I'm glad that he, well you know he's worth millions. I can see why he would do that. I like Skye, nice guy. Oh yeah, well of course. But you know this is also happening in, I guess the people are protesting the Microsoft shuttle in Seattle. I didn't know they had one. Oh yeah, let's see. Well they throw eggs, the big thing in San Francisco now is to throw eggs at the bus. Really?

1:50:07 Yeah, that's like a big deal. So if you're if the bus is in your neighborhood I saw one like yesterday by the way in San Francisco just sitting there parked illegally it seems to me but anyway they yeah supposedly when you're the bus goes by you find out what the times are and then you toss eggs at it as it goes by That's right familiar theme brought back it's the war on unborn chicken Well, in that case, I guess it is. So here's, I have one clip here. I got a couple of miscellaneous clips. I want to get out of the way. One of them is kind of disgusting and the other one is just silly. Do you want disgusting or silly? Dealer's choice. Well, let's start with silly. I've said it before. I'll say it again. This woman needs to get

1:51:05 Go to a speech coach. She needs to get out of the office and do some work. I used to be a big fan of Janet Yellen. I thought that she would be a great head of the fed. Hold on a moment. You were a fan of, were you part of the Janet Yellen fan club? Yes, I was. I was one of, I was the treasurer. And I, Never heard her talk. That's the problem. She sounds like an old woman from Brooklyn It's just a really horrible horrible speech pattern that she has that she's neat needs to fix immediately my colleagues on the FOMC and I Anticipate that economic activity and employment will expand at a moderate pace this year and next I

1:51:51 The unemployment rate will continue to decline toward its longer run sustainable level. And inflation will move back toward 2% over coming years. Okay, now what did you say? She sounds like a what? She sounds like an old battle axe from Brooklyn. Alright, so why don't you- Or Long Island. No man, that's not at all what this is. What is it? This is an old Jewish lady. Here we go again. Yeah, I'm sorry. That would be Brooklyn. That's why Queens Queens Queens Queens no Brooklyn to could be there's a little Italian in Brooklyn But it could be Queens, but when she said would talk like this. Yeah gotta go She talked for six hours Did you watch any of that of the I can't never I couldn't even watch Bernanke when he was doing these things It's so dull

1:52:52 As opposed to this story, which I thought was interesting and for some reason rubbed me the wrong way. Burgers in France. Now when you think of France, you think perhaps beautiful mountains, beautiful beaches and of course, very important for me, beautiful food. The French are famous for their traditional steak frites perhaps or a rich foie gras. But what is France's favourite food? Yes, it is the humble burger with sales going up by around 40%. In fact, McDonald's says that France is even its second biggest market after the US. Here's Siobhan Silk.

1:53:31 Meat on the griddle, sauce on the bun, a few lettuce leaves and a slice of cheese. The burger is ready in one minute flat and it has to be. How many do you make every day? Five thousand. At lunchtime this Paris branch of the fast food chain, Quick, is always packed. It's just a part of our lives now. There are fast food chains everywhere. Like traditional brasseries, it's just a part of France's food landscape. The burger has well and truly conquered France. In 2007, one out of every seven sandwiches sold was a burger. By last year, that figure was one out of every two.

1:54:10 French people chomped through almost a billion burgers in 2013. In the country where gastronomy is king, traditional brasseries are keen to tap into that market and offer a better class of burger. When we opened the restaurant we tried to do a classic varied menu. But people just kept ordering burgers, burgers, burgers. Now 75% of French restaurants offer this quintessential American dish, but with a French twist. I definitely prefer ordering them in a restaurant or brasserie. That's where you find something a bit more original. Not the basic burger you find in the chains, but something with a local touch. It's far cry from the days the burger was denounced as malbouffe, bad food, by French activist farmers.

1:55:02 Okay. You didn't think that was horrible? The horrible development? One and a half of the sandwiches sold in France are burgers? I don't believe it. This doesn't bother you? I don't believe it. I think that if anything that was a native advertising for McDonald's. I don't believe it. No, no. Quick. Quick. Quick. Oh, is that their... that is their kind of their thing, isn't it? That was the one they slipped in there. That was the advertisement. It's possible. Just don't believe it. Okay. That's fine. I don't care. You don't have to believe it There was did you know that holand holland holand holland was in you know? He went to a state one of the seven state dinners. They put on just the other day Yes, I have the guest list and then he would you have you know who is at the head table then? Bradley Cooper one of them mm-hmm Ken Ehrlich

1:56:02 Okay, who's the horrible producer of all these stupid award shows and needs to be replaced Mary J. Blige? She was the singer. Yes. She wasn't at the head table. Christine Lagarde? I would say she'd be at the head table. She was. And Ahmad Rashad, who is dating Valerie Jarrett? It's true. Yeah, I know. I have a report. Julia Louis-Dreyfus who was sitting next to Biden, I bet, because that's really funny when you get the Veep next to the Veep. That would be, yes. I don't think Biden was at the head table.

1:56:40 You have a report along to part one? I have a couple of reports here. The first one is, if you want to hear this, the short... well that's actually too long. Here's the... or the long one is the part two. Play the part two which is a little discussion of who showed up and there was, I thought, a couple surprises at the head table. of these state or official visits during the whole time that Barack Obama has spent in the White House. Now, what this brings together is the great and good of this world, all sorts of fascinating juxtapositions of politicians and celebrities. First of all, let's get this out of the way, the dress worn by Michelle Obama by Carolina Herrera, if that's the kind of fact.

1:57:20 that you're interested in. But in terms of the guests, well look at this, Stephen Colbert for example, the comedian at the head table. He's the author of one of the most stinging attacks on François Hollande on his relationship status post-splits with Valérie Triévala. He was put up at the head table. The actor Bradley Cooper there as well. The likes of the IMF head Christine Lagarde, a lot of cabinet members as well and interestingly enough the head of the NSA as well, Keith Alexander. Now these state dinners, always the chance for a bit of joking around to show how how friendly the relationship really is between these two heads of state. Here's a quote from François Hollande speaking directly to Barack Obama saying this, we love the United States and you love the French although you're sometimes too shy to say so. Yes, it is a little bit dangerous for a US president to get that little bit too close to a socialist president.

1:58:14 A little bit of dancing as well in the end, by the way. The White House delegations and the French delegations all dancing a little bit in that room too. Mary J. Blige, by the way, she was the entertainment part of this state dinner here in Washington. It's good to be the king, man. How come we don't get invited to these things? I got an invite from Hillary Clinton once. I still have the invitation. And the invitation, it went to the MTV, it was MTV days, it went to the MTV offices and some bitch sat on the invitation and, oh, like three days after the event, oh yeah, this came for you at the office. Yeah, so I didn't make, and of course, once you stand them up. You were beloved there at MTV. Oh no, once you stand them up, then you never get asked back again. No, you didn't even RSVP. That's why.

1:59:10 Yeah, you're obviously a dickhead. The first lady requests your presence. I didn't respond to the first lady and now, persona non grata. What was it for? A big dinner or something? I don't remember. A fundraiser? No, it was some... I'm sure it was some internet-related thing. You know how that goes. You got to meet the Queen. Which was also in it when she relaunched her website. That's when I was invited there. Oh yes, this is how we have this American chap here. Something to do with the internet. Put him on the list. So that's how I got on that list. Well the reason it seemed to Olan when they gave a couple of speeches at the beginning, I have the clip but I can just summarize it quicker. He made the point, he says, the one good thing about our two countries is that we respect, tell me what you think this message was, we respect each other's sovereignty.

2:00:03 Yeah, they put Keith Alexander at the head table. I think I think that also may be a little bit about the Central African Republic There's a it's you know, the it's a little confusing what's happening there The French are supposed to be in charge and they're not really doing a great job And then we have Christians now killing Muslims reportedly. That's the key here. That's reportedly I have a couple of clips on that since we were talking about it play us in Africa with French and This is interesting. France has several military bases. So looking at the map then, Armand, just remind us where they've cooperated so far and where they may cooperate in the future. Well they cooperated a lot in Mali because the US had just set up a drone base in neighboring Niger when the French took on the jihadists in northern Mali. So those drones helped France with its intelligence.

2:00:59 US also helping with air to air refueling, that was very important. More recently in the Central African Republic, in that conflict we've seen the US provide African forces with big transport planes, C-17s. In terms of future hotspots, one place that we definitely need to keep an eye on is southern Libya. And last week a government minister in Niger said that this was the new breeding ground essentially for jihadists. So I think we can expect that high-level French US group that you mentioned in your introduction to take a very close look at southern Libya. Okay, hold on a second. Now Niger, which isn't that the Djibouti base in Niger?

2:01:47 No, no, no, no, Djibouti is its own country. I'm sorry. Where's Niger? Is that West Africa? Yeah, it's West. It's part of that whole group of West African countries. Ghana, Niger, all those little... Interesting. Well, so they have a... I had not heard a lot about that drone base. I didn't hear about that was the first time I heard about it. Here's a report I have about the Djibouti base which is huge. The Americans have got an enormous and extensive intelligence and satellite intelligence gathering operation very much centered here in Djibouti. Within this camp, and this is a huge spawning camp, it's got helicopters that fly long-range missions. They're able to refuel using those long pylons out the front. They can fly deep into Somalia. They can even get their planes as far as the borders of South Africa, Mozambique, South Sudan. They even deployed to South Sudan recently.

2:02:41 But essentially what they're doing is they're cooperating with local countries in the region. Countries like Kenya very much of course which suffered the Nairobi attack. Training their soldiers to join AMISOM and go into Somalia and carry the fight out for them and giving them that technical expertise. This is my third visit Nick to this country and unlike in the surrounding countries. I've detected very little resentment against this camp. Now it is probably going to make Djibouti a bit of a target. The foreign minister said we feel we are a target for al-Shabaab here, he said. And there was another one of these congressional scripted hearings with Clapper and who else? A couple other of these guys. And they were talking about the terrorism

2:03:31 And of course, we always are told that Al-Qaeda has been decimated. But depends. Right. Well, that's exactly right. On the convenience of the assertion. Right. So here's Jay Johnson of the part, he's our new Secretary of Homeland Security. Who kind of explains how we're weaseling out of this with all these fuzzy words? He's reading a prompter by the way, so the al-qaeda's core leadership on a path to defeat but

2:04:14 The threat has evolved. Since about 2009, we saw the rise of Al-Qaeda affiliates, such as Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which has made repeated efforts to export terrorism to our homeland. working with others must continually deny these affiliates a safe haven, a place to hide, train and from which to launch terrorist attacks. Okay, so what he's saying is my job is safe because we have all these affiliates who are training and will send them to the homeland here, that's America, to kill people.

2:04:53 Inhofe asked the question specifically at Clapper, who was supposed to know everything about all things intelligence. I keep hearing these things, the different people in the administration is talking about Al-Qaeda is on the run, on the path to defeat. If you look at this chart up here, it depicts that the Al-Qaeda and its allies have a presence that are now operating in it's, to me it's just the opposite of that. What, yes or no each one of you, is Al Qaeda on the run and on the path to defeat? No, it is morphing and franchising itself not only here but other areas of the world. Yeah, it's going to be quick in France. Al Qaeda on the quick. Franchising everywhere, John. Well, McDonald's, look out. Then Clapper.

2:05:48 gave us an incredible new number. How many terrorists do you think there are out there? And of course this would all be kind of in the African region, which is where we're, you know, we're moving out of Afghanistan. I want to hear your poppy thing as a part of this. How many terrorists do you believe think that are in the continent of Africa? 30,000 looking back over my now more than half a century in intelligence I've not experienced a time when we've been beset by more crises and threats around the globe. Thanks Is long my list is long it includes the scourge and diversification terrorism loosely connected and globally dispersed and

2:06:29 to include here at home as exemplified by the Boston Marathon bombing. And by the sectarian war in Syria, its attraction as a growing center of radical extremism and the potential threat this poses now to the homeland. Let me briefly expand on this point. The strength of the insurgency is now estimated at somewhere between 75 to 80,000 on the low end and 110 to 115,000 on the high end. who are organized into more than 1,500 groups of widely varying political leanings. I love this! 1,500 groups! Ah, these guys set themselves up. Why don't we just start firing them? But if there's that many of them, they must be in large... You should be able to just drone them by the hundreds. Yeah. It would be an ant invasion in the kitchen. Niger is very interesting. It seems like there's... If I just look at the map, it looks very brown.

2:07:30 Just like no green, not doesn't look like an attractive place to be. Nor does Libya. Where do you think the best place for the... They go out of their way to... You know, I did this little thing in the newsletter about the ease in which you can move the poppy fields to parts of Africa and there's lots more room and So I'm looking at the Central African Republic, I said, but everything I've ever seen, you watch the news, there's just some guy walking down a dirt road and a bunch of shanties and it's just dusty and everything's, all that's missing is the tumbleweed. And you go and you look up Central African Republic,

2:08:11 agriculture and you start and then you just hit the images and you get it. This a lush green. It's always raining. There's plenty of water. It's more like Myanmar in terms of you can grow poppies and don't have to worry about about irrigation like you would in lots of other parts of Africa. And it's just like this in the image that we have. West Africa is not the Sahara Desert. No. In fact, if you look on Google Maps, you'll see the C.A.R. is beautiful. It's under Chad, Chad. It's green the only greener piece would be the Republic of the Congo That's where you get your jungle green Kale it looks like kale looks it probably is kale a lot of kale well looks to me They got to grow straight, and they grow pretty much everything in the Central African Republic got strawberries and all kinds of stuff It's just it's it looks like a you could have a good meal there if you find somebody could cook oh

2:09:07 We really just need to... what is frustrating to me is this continuous loop and I think people are getting very literally physically ill from what is happening the way we're being inundated with these messages non-stop and you know we're killing Americans and we have everywhere it's everyone's crazy and they're all terrorists and there's hundreds of thousands of them and when will someone say hey why do they want to kill us? Because they don't like our way of life, Adam. They don't like our freedoms. Yeah, they don't like our freedoms. They've already made this claim. Yeah, but I think it needs to be revisited. They don't like our freedoms. They don't like our way of life. They want to kill us. They don't want to take on our way of life or our quote-unquote freedoms. They want to kill us. Okay, it makes sense.

2:10:07 Well, I just wish someone would revisit the question from time to time. It would help people rationalize what is happening. It's not in anybody's interest. No. There's no money to be made by asking that question over and over like you just did. No, I know. I understand. There's no profit in it. I understand. JF Kerry made a weird comment during the Munich conference, the security conference, where all the, I guess, security guys go hang out. And it was interpreted very strangely and aggressively by, mainly by Israel. You see for Israel there's an increasing delegitimization campaign that has been building up. People are very sensitive to it. There are talk of boycotts and other kinds of things. Are we all going to be better with all of that?

2:11:01 Now the way this has been interpreted by a lot of Israeli elites and leaders is, hey shut up Kerry! What are you, are you threatening us with a boycott? But that's not really what's happening. And I've been following a couple of our producers who have Israeli, I think it's IsraeliCool.com and a couple of blogs. There have been some interesting boycotts from musicians Scarlett Johansson has boycotted some soda company she was promoting their drink. Roger Waters I think is being very politically outspoken and what's really happening is explained here by... What did you say about Scarlett Johansson? She's boycotted the drink company she was promoting, SodaStream I think is the name. SodaStream? She's not working for him anymore? No.

2:11:58 I don't think so. I think she said, oh, I because there is there is talk actually in the Palestinian areas, although apparently if you went back to the 67 borders, it would still be within those borders. I'm not quite sure, but there is some talk of a boycott. And that's really what Kerry was referring to. And he's really on Israel's side, which is what's very interesting as Robert Wexler explains. He's former Florida Congressman Robert Wexler. He's president of the Abraham Center for Middle East Peace. Whatever that means. Sounds like another NGO to me. Congressman, good to see you. Good morning. You know, this first popped up on my radar. I get a lot of

2:12:37 Israeli newspapers we get a whole thing but this first popped up on my radar how rats did a Story about this during the Mandela funeral about saying that there is fear in Israel among the Israel business community that there's a tipping point that what happened to South Africa in the 80s could be Globally, what could happen to Israel now in 2014 and 2015? That's really interesting. By the way, I think Scarlett Johansson quit Oxfam or sort of some other thing. I But yeah, no, here's what happened because I factually did a bunch of clips about this we never played Scarlett Johansson went to work for SodaStream for a huge amount of money, then they got a bunch of flack from the Palestinians because I guess SodaStream is making some of these devices in Palestine areas and they don't want the money. I have no idea what the real basis was. But then Oxfam got all bent out of shape because it was somehow anti-Palestinian and they're so hooked in there and she was one of the board members and they said they asked her to quit and she said I quit easily, gladly, and she left.

2:13:38 So that's the yeah, that's the sorcerer. She's still working for SodaStream Okay, so this sounds like it makes sense. What is what is happening? I like what what Wexler just said that there's now this noise that I'm sure it's all NGOs everyone's getting all Upset and saying hey we can turn Israel into what South Africa was with apartheid Which would mean the whole world against Israel Are they, is there something to this? Well of course there is because large European institutions, financial institutions in particular, have begun to adopt policies that are punitive with respect to Israel. And Europe is Israel's still biggest trading partner.

2:14:23 Prime Minister Netanyahu made an extraordinary speech recently at the Davos World Economic Conference in which he outlined this remarkable innovation nation. I mention it because after he was done with the speech, he then did an interview with a European journalist, which I assume the Israeli government chose. All the journalists wanted to talk about was Israel settlement policy. Prime Minister Netanyahu went back to Israel, called an emergency cabinet meeting to discuss what's happening in Europe. That's what Secretary Kerry was referring to. And what's important, three people on this earth in the last four years have done more to stop the boycott effort and mitigate its disastrous consequences. President Obama, Secretary Kerry, and Secretary Clinton. Interesting.

2:15:12 That's our special relationship. But it seems like Europe is having none of it. Oh wow, did I lose you? Oh, John, hold on. I think somehow we blew up. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We're gonna have to... And we're back. Okay, good. Yes, you were saying, which we understood nothing. I didn't, the clip started breaking up and you're gonna have to... Oh okay, I'm sorry. Just tell me, just summarize for me. Essentially, the only three people who've done, really tried to stop a boycott of large European countries and companies are Obama, Kerry and Clinton, Hillary Clinton. But I didn't know that Europe was also, you know, that this was really a big deal. I didn't either.

2:16:13 I don't know, I have to think about what Oxfam's up to. Well, these are all these organizations, man. It's tough. Very very hard to you know, I you can't I don't think you can get a there's Oxfam USA I can get a form 990 from them, but it's very hard anything. Oh, no, it won't really don't help No, no this whole NGO thing which we mentioned earlier is it is this scandalous? I mean there's no way that we can get a handle on a lot of the things going on until we get a real handle on these these Operations and what they're up to been behind the scenes The only thing you can do is you can follow the money you can see which which NGOs are

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2:25:28 The Mipster's trend became something of a talking point after this video was released online. Entitled Somewhere in America, it features young women across the US having fun skateboarding in high heels to the sounds of Jay-Z. The clips intended to challenge the stereotypes surrounding the Islamic veil, often associated with oppression, and to show stylish, edgy and fun-loving women can also practice the Muslim faith. Hipsters share a common philosophy and describe themselves as at the forefront of the latest music fashion art Whilst continuing to seek inspiration from the sacred text of Islam Where do these mipsters live? I have no idea. I've never seen one Muslim hipsters the mipsters. I don't wear four inch heels five inch heels all these women Yeah, let me just check so and the veil you know and they all looking cool

2:26:21 So I have the clip, I think my favorite clip of the day, even though it's not a clip of the day by any means. But you know, you wonder why in the Central African Republic in these places, why, you know, these these these troops probably aren't accomplishing a lot. The WTF clip is what this one is. You hear this clip and then you say, oh, I get it. It's just too ridiculous. Well, French and African troops do have a mandate from the United Nations to use force if there's a direct threat to the civilian population. So if, for example, a Muslim is being lynched by an anti-balaka mob, they could step in. When they've been asked, why aren't you doing that? They answer, well, we can't be seen to be taking sides.

2:27:06 Okay, because of what? Religion? So let me get this straight. You're a cop. Yeah. And you're in downtown Oakland and guys are shooting at each other. What are you gonna do? You gonna shoot at one of these guys maybe to make him stop? You don't want to take sides. This is too much of a commitment. Why don't we take sides one minute in the next minute somebody else is too much work Don't take sides. We really don't what are they doing there? We really don't understand how this works at all What are they doing there? They're just standing around I Know there was a warning Let me see Embassy warning in Kampala, so that's Uganda. They're expecting a terrorist

2:27:58 Umm, let's see... Threat information indicates a group of attackers possibly in place ready to strike targets inside Kampala in February or March. Huh, that's a coincidence. Yeah, why? Our economic hitman happens to be headed toward Uganda for some reason. Yeah, it's... We do not have, you know what we're really missing? We just are missing more people who understand what is really happening in Africa. And I don't even know if people who are in Africa and work for the State Department or, I don't even know if they understand. It's very, the whole thing is messed up. Yes, I would say that's true. I have a question for you. Okay. Here, play this clip, the Syria barrel bomb clip, and then I'm going to ask you something.

2:28:57 All righty, here we go. Okay. Alright, I've noticed I didn't pay full attention to this when it first cropped up so I missed it. But what is a barrel bomb? When did this barrel bomb meme show up and what's got to do with anything? I mean, are they throwing these bombs? Are they using giant slingshots? Are they dropping them from planes? What are they? I don't know exactly. I do know that three of them exploded on... was it the day of the opening ceremonies, I think, of the Olympics?

2:29:48 I think is when they when they were when they first came into the lexicon. What do you have on barrel bomb? Do you have any research on it? Because I know that's what it says right there. Ask Adam because I figure you'd know. I don't know. All I know is that all of a sudden barrel bomb barrel. Oh, it's a barrel bomb. Is that worse than like a one ton bomb dropped from a plane? It's a barrel. Interesting barrel bomb. There must be something to it. There must be a reason for it that we're that we're not figuring this out. Are Syrian barrel bombs really worse than weaponry? There you go. Newsweek asked the same question and let's see what Newsweek came up with. It's oil drums filled with explosives dropped from helicopters. Really? I think that there's a couple things going on which are to be noted, particularly as it comes to Aleppo and Homs. Now both of these places which are to north of Damascus and west, both of these places

2:30:55 major intersections for the pipelines. The Holmes-Tartus oil pipeline was blown up February 3rd, and then right after that they start evacuating people from Holmes, which is not a lot of people, it's a thousand people or whatever. I feel there's something about the strategic location of this particular when we note that Turkey has now opened negotiations for the to take let's see Iran's natural gas via Iran's natural gas via Iraq. It would seem like they are trying to take away some of the business that was supposed to go through that those actual pipelines in Homs and Aleppo.

2:31:51 None of this it just it's it's not of just a bunch of people hurling barrel bombs if anything the barrel bomb is probably to distract from what's really happening just another thing to get NGOs all pissed off about oh, they're throwing barrel bombs. It's I don't know I just found it to be completely baffling. No, I agree with you. So I ran into this group or this was a report on one of the again a foreign source and About these these kind of weird African hipsters called sapo that are all addressing clownish and some Native form and and this report. I just thought was kind of I don't know what there's another weird distraction some another trend in Africa Africa is gonna be by the way a big part of our news coverage in the next year no doubt about it

2:32:42 Now they are called La SAP, which stands for the Society for Party Goers and Elegant People. Sounds fun, doesn't it? Well in fact, it is a social movement centred in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which was created 30 years ago and now has some 50 clubs. Despite their modest means, they spend hundreds on shoes and clothes. And they're now turning even more heads than usual, taking pride of place in a popular television ad. These are the famous Saper, or the Society of Elegant People. Initially under authoritarian ruler Mobutu, wearing bright clothes was a gesture of defiance. Thirty years later, the movement is no longer political.

2:33:26 In SAP you have four rules. You don't become a SAPer, you were born one. You will honor SAP like your father and mother. You will never betray SAP whatever the situation. And you will die as a SAPer like Stervos Niarchos did. First rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club. What? Second rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club. Have you been editing again, John? That's what it sounded like. It sounded like Fight Club. Yeah. Another thing we'd have to kind of I feel like action. Yeah, I'm going to be spending a lot of time today and tomorrow Really going as deep we have a couple of people you obviously have our economic hitman in Africa I have one person who's involved with the legal profession in Kenya We have one of our knights in Accra Right. He never checks in anymore. Well, I

2:34:27 I got an interesting note from producer Patrick about the Panama Canal and Nicaragua. as well as Costa Rica, which this was very interesting. We of course keep our eye on the Chinese and what they're doing. They are without doubt a source of much chagrin for the imperialist leaders of the United States and France and the United Kingdom. We need to kick the Chinese out of Africa and take over and just get everything we can. Patrick says, the first time I heard about the Nicaraguan Canal,

2:35:05 was a while he was living in Costa Rica which borders on Nicaragua to the south. And apparently Daniel Ortega is, he's back? He was good. Yeah he was president. He's always been entertaining. He's been president in the 80s of course. This was the whole Iran-Contra scandal, he was a part of that. But he was recently elected president again in 06 and re-elected in 11. Seems to be pretty comfortable in his position. But here's what's interesting. Nicaragua has threatened to take Costa Rica to international court to dispute Costa Rica's claim to Guanacaste, which is a province that chairs the border. And what's interesting about all this is that the Chinese are in Costa Rica

2:35:52 They've built a national stadium, they've built some roads, donated a bunch of police vehicles which our producer says is hilarious because they actually have a Chinese flag on them and they're driving around in Costa Rica with the Chinese flag on the police cars. A few years back, In the grandiose scheme by Ortega, the canal started to get some backing. There was talk of Japanese backers for a while, then out of nowhere, sizable backing from the Chinese. And what he's saying is it's very interesting to see that we have U.S. companies in Costa Rica, which I always thought was very U.S. friendly, Intel, HP, Microsoft, but the Chinese are taking over. And I think we've taken our eye off the ball there.

2:36:36 You do not want the Chinese to have control of Costa Rica and Nicaragua and building their canal there I think this is a mistake. Well. I don't think it's a mistake as much as of an oversight oversight. Yes oversight I don't think they mean to be doing that. They're just you're right. They're Distracted in one way hey look at this and then what? I don't see nothing huh well that he's looking into mm-hmm Now who does this come from? Uh, Patrick. He doesn't want to... he lives there. Okay. He wants to remain a little anonymous. We need more reports. Yeah, I'm sure he'll be sending it. Just the Chinese, it's just... okay. They'd love it there. That'd be a good little landing spot for them. It'd be perfect. I mean, they got California targeted, but they're not building roads here. Although that would be useful. Wouldn't it? Hey, you know what? If only they would. It would make you happy. Yeah.

2:37:39 One of my little roads over here is now a bunch of potholes. It's not even a road. It's like it's jarring to drive down this little street. Looking at... Bang, bang. Do I need new struts? Looking at the Turkish situation, Fethullah Gulen has been challenged by the Prime Minister of Turkey. He says, hey, if you're such a brave guy, why don't you come home and form a political party and run against me like a man? That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. No, it's crazy talk a writer of the his met movement, which is the the Gulen movement That's another word for it. His met has come out and said yeah We're pretty much all part of an anti-government plot to overthrow it over throw the current government This guy's name is one of these tough. This is a part of the problem. What is his name? Etienne my who pion

2:38:40 And he's been writing for some Gulenist publications. They have a lot of them. They just opened a Dutch language magazine in the Netherlands and Belgium, also run by the Gulenists. So, you know, that's... I don't know if we'll be hearing from this guy much longer, but he said, hey, yeah, well, this is really what we've been doing. And of course, at the same time, we have Something that we love to talk about here and we can just pretty much wait for the NGOs to show up and start talking about how draconian it all is. In Turkey, riot police used tear gas and water cannon to try and disperse protests in Istanbul. The crowds were demonstrating against plans for new legislation which would give the government even more control over the use of the internet.

2:39:34 Now, I thought this was interesting. I've not been able to find a copy of anything of what the actual law is, but I liked the way the Prime Minister of Turkey explains it. This by the way is just fireworks, this protest. There's no Molotov cocktails or anything. Literally they're just throwing bottle rockets and it looks very suspicious. Smoke from fireworks and tear gas fills the air as demonstrators and riot police battle it out on the streets of Istanbul. Water cannon are brought in to try to disperse the crowd, but the protesters are not going anywhere. They're furious about a new internet law that's been approved by Parliament. If it's ratified by the President, internet sites could be blocked within hours without a court order. They'll also force internet providers

2:40:26 to keep the browsing histories of users for up to two years and make it available to the authorities. Now when I heard this, when you hear what they're doing, what is the first thing that comes to mind? What? Sounds like us! Yeah, or thought it was. Yeah, no this is Turkey like all this horrible draconian measures like that's pretty much the way it works here. The Turkish Prime Minister insists that these regulations are the same as the US and several European countries already have. Exactly. We're already keeping your browsing history. We can shut down a website in seconds.

2:41:08 Well, it's the way you... if you do it with drama, it makes it sound worse. Yeah, well, with fire, with fireworks, that's what you got to do. The only other thing I have is we had, and this is all this very underreported, at least I didn't get a lot, didn't find a lot on it, about the Osama bin Laden pictures apparently being destroyed by the Pentagon. What was interesting about this report, which I believe is brawl fun, the CNN's, It's the report of course they have no video of everything, but they have these great animated pieces which they still had on file of how this attack went down and then they they cut to a zero dark 30 and Meanwhile, and if you really just listen to the report it's you you get you you hear what they're trying to program you with and

2:42:04 But it really the programming doesn't work unless you're watching the video where you're seeing this scene Which may not have even have happened because all we have is a movie Literally a Hollywood version and we have an animated version which shows a little stick guys getting out of a helicopter and walking around we really don't know that if any of this happened at all and The thing that annoys me to no end is they talk about you BL and not OBL I still think that there's two different guys or something and It could be his code for something you don't know about. No, we don't know, but the idea here is to paper over the destruction of evidence and just

2:42:46 You know, you know what we don't need to see that anyway because it could just incite violence and it's so well-produced. Cover-up, Brian Todd has been investigating this part of the story. What are you finding out? This is the cover-up is actually this news report. Well this information just getting out two and a half years after the bin Laden raid a Freedom of Information Act request finally bringing it to light. This sensitive email from the commander of the SEAL raid saying to subordinates if you've got the photos get rid of them. Gentlemen, all photos should have been turned over to the CIA. If you still have them, destroy them immediately or get them to the blank. Whoever that was, still classified. If these records were indeed destroyed, there may have been crimes committed. Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch believes it shows a cover-up, the possible suppression of key documents from maybe the most famous raid in military history. There's laws that prohibit the mutilation and destruction of government records

2:43:40 It shows contempt for the law and it shows contempt for the people's right to know. The Pentagon wouldn't comment on those assertions or the McRaven email. A spokesman for Admiral McRaven wouldn't comment, nor would the CIA or the White House. But in the days after the Bin Laden raid, President Obama told CBS' 60 Minutes why he believed the photos of a deceased Bin Laden should not be made public. This is very good, by the way, this piece. And again, you're seeing the visuals. of, you know, Hollywood fabrication and then boom back to this. It is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence. It's not... I, you know, I really love how we can have photographs of GIs pissing on corpses

2:44:37 Yeah, there's no excitement, incitement there. I didn't, and I didn't see anything, anything really in any increased violence anywhere. But this just brings you back to the bull crap that we've been fed, and I'm glad that Brouh brought this back in his report, that it is, makes no sense whatsoever that we're not allowed to see this proof, but it's now going to be papered over. Clear whether any photos of Bin Laden were actually destroyed. Could any of the SEALs depicted in the movie Zero Dark Thirty have taken personal photos? CNN military analyst General James Spider Marks says it's likely they were ordered not to by their commanders. That wouldn't be surprising if they shook them down. We don't know that. And they said, okay, I want to make sure you don't have something that's hidden away someplace. Why, hold on a second, stop. Why would that happen?

2:45:27 Why would there be... what would be the point of that? Of having something hidden away? No, what would be the point of a command order not to take photos? Because it's not true. Yeah, that's the point. It's just bullcrap. They wouldn't say that. These guys are on their own once they're in there and there's no commander barking orders. They're just saying, you know, the whole thing was scripted to come in there and grab the guy. A guy. And people I'm sure were taking photos. A guy. These guys have GoPros. They got everything. Yeah, there's a movie of the whole thing, I'm sure. Well, yeah, the movie is called Zero Dark Thirty and that's what you're supposed to believe, you see. This is how it works. And they said, okay, I want to make sure you don't have something that's hidden away someplace.

2:46:16 But Mark says the SEALs would have designated some member of that team to take official photos and video for posterity and training purposes. He believes that if Admiral McRaven ordered photos destroyed, he was trying to protect operational secrets, sources and methods, and trying to protect American troops in dangerous areas. Wolf. I love the sources and methods. Okay, first we crash the helicopter. This is our highly secretive stealth helicopter, which looks like it couldn't fly in a million years with all that metal hanging off of it. Yeah, we crash that and then we go in and we go get him. He's watching the T-satellite.

2:46:55 We shoot him in the head and we don't take a picture and then we dump him in the ocean real quick. What about photos of Bin Laden buried at sea? Could those be made public? Well Judicial Watch says that it has asked for that as maybe some sort of compromise. If you're not going to release the photos of Bin Laden himself, at least give us those. Be on the lookout for a sheet being dumped into the ocean photo. The Obama administration has steadfastly said it is not going to release those. It is very concerned about incitement to violence. Now listen to Brolf wrap it all up. I'm afraid it would incite a new generation of terrorists. Right. Who would be outraged by seeing those pictures. Ari, thanks very much, Brian, for that. That's right. It would incite a whole new generation of terrorists if that were to come out.

2:47:35 So let's just not do that. Wasn't one of our original theses on this at the beginning when it happened or actually even before it happened Because there's a lot of reports of him already being dead. Yeah, years before. This was not an assassination because that SEAL team was an extraction team. It wasn't an assassination team. We isolated that piece of information. And this was just an extraction of an asset because we've always thought it's possible this guy was a CIA plant in the whole operation that was, you know, he was

2:46:55 We shoot him in the head and we don't take a picture and then we dump him in the ocean real quick. What about photos of Bin Laden buried at sea? Could those be made public? Well Judicial Watch says that it has asked for that as maybe some sort of compromise. If you're not going to release the photos of Bin Laden himself, at least give us those. Be on the lookout for a sheet being dumped into the ocean photo. The Obama administration has steadfastly said it is not going to release those. It is very concerned about incitement to violence. Now listen to Brolf wrap it all up. I'm afraid it would incite a new generation of terrorists. Right. Who would be outraged by seeing those pictures. Ari, thanks very much, Brian, for that. That's right. It would incite a whole new generation of terrorists if that were to come out.

2:47:35 So let's just not do that. Wasn't one of our original theses on this at the beginning when it happened or actually even before it happened Because there's a lot of reports of him already being dead. Yeah, years before. This was not an assassination because that SEAL team was an extraction team. It wasn't an assassination team. We isolated that piece of information. And this was just an extraction of an asset because we've always thought it's possible this guy was a CIA plant in the whole operation that was, you know, he was

2:48:14 ended up leading, and this was just getting him out of there. And maybe...and the guy shaved, you know, and to give him a shave and a haircut and a little new nose job, and boom, he's a professor someplace at Georgetown as we speak. We discuss that as a possibility. Well, the thing that interests me is why has no one put in a freedom of information request For the live helmet cam video that everybody was watching in the situation release everyone was in a Thousand of these requests I'd have never heard of one. I you know, but I'm

2:48:51 I can guarantee there's a whole bunch of guys that do nothing but just crank out these Freedom of Information requests and they get the same form letter back. We can't do this because of one thing or another. You never get the information. It doesn't mean it works. Some guys have waited a decade to get some stuff, the old crap from the 60s. It's a bogus system. You're not going to get the helmet cam. It'd be Ben Laden turning around saying, what takes you guys so long? Hey, did you bring my M&Ms? I love those M&Ms. I love them with the peanuts. They're the best. Right. You want us to bring this device? Nah, it's bullshit. It says dialysis machine. Eh. Alright, uh... Where's the dialysis machine? There's a little tidbit that got lost in the shuffle. Oh yeah, no, no, no. Why even bother? People ask us all the time, so y'all, you should revisit that and...

2:49:56 You know, yeah. He was on dialysis in what, 2009 I think? No, no, no, I'm sorry. Way, no, no, way earlier than that. I'm crazy. No, no, like... It was right after 9-11. I thought it was even before 9-11. With, no, I think maybe, maybe it could be. I'm a little fuzzy on that, but yeah, you know. And there was always, remember all the ridicule from the media? How come they can't catch a guy who's 6'5 and has to bring a dialysis machine everywhere he goes? You can't find that guy? Yeah, yeah, then that went away. Yeah, that went by the wayside. Somebody in the office of propaganda went, oh man, this is getting on our nerves. Can we get them to stop talking about the dialysis machine? Okay, let's see. Seems to be trouble in Bitcoin paradise, which is, I don't know if you've been following that.

2:50:50 Yeah, a little bit. It appears that you can you can DDoS something and then the bitcoins it'll look like it wasn't confirmed and taken out of the wallet And then you can do it. It seems like a flaw in the system Right which will destroy the system. Yeah, which if that's not fixed very soon that well the system is kind of destroyed No one's paying out anymore and the current price according to what is it Mount Gox I guess they're at six hundred and seventeen dollars but you know we've always kind of been waiting for the to see what happens and it looks like here it is you know here's here's the issue but of course you know I don't know I'm reading this from Forbes who claim that we have a subscription app so I don't know who knows

2:51:43 You know, Forbes is not the best source of this stuff. You know, this is... I don't think I was... They're loaded with native advertising. Yeah, I don't think I was asked or you were asked to comment on this Forbes piece which was about podcasting and I guess the crux of the article was you don't need ads to make it in podcasting and there was a huge bit about Patreon which I think it was like a native ad for page yeah it seemed like a native ad for patreon and then we were kind of lumped in down the bottom saying you know other people sell subscriptions and apps which we of which we do neither I might add no we don't sell anything no so I the show yeah so I found that to be interesting the same time both you I and the gay crusader were and I god I hate this we're asked by Russia today to comment on

2:52:39 to come on Skype and comment on the LGBT laws in Russia. I'm declining this. No, I'm declining this. I'm not going to do this. Oh, I thought you were going to do it. First of all, Brian the Gay Crusader should be on. He wrote the white paper and if he's nice he'll give us a plug. The problem, here's what I don't like. So the producer reaches out to all three of us independently, not on one email but all independently, And it's for an edited piece and you know we want to talk to you for 30 minutes And then we're gonna make it and like no I'm not gonna do anything that's edited if it's not live I'm not interested. This is how they screw you yeah, they can do that Yeah, but I want no part of that

2:53:28 Okay, then you should be Brian the gay crusader anyway. That's what I did on right I thought they were gonna talk to him and you yeah, but I'd why would I do that? Why would I be why would I talk to them for 30 minutes when he wrote the whole white paper all I'm going to say is Yeah, I had a chance right. Yeah, exactly I had it translated and looked like it was bullcrap. He's gonna make the points He's it's his piece Yeah. I'm just skeptical. I don't know where is this word? Where are we? Where is this? Hopefully Brian's going to do it, but the producer keeps bugging me and I'm not so I'm like, I really don't want to do this. Yeah, well, when they asked me, I said you were the man. Now you didn't. I said you I BCC. You're even better than that. You're like, we're available for comment all for all types of issues. Yeah, well, no, I plug the show. I know. I know.

2:54:22 Alright, we should definitely get out of here. There's a lot to a lot of stuff I got to catch up on See what else do we have? I fool man on Sunday show more cultural Marxism more gas stuff to look at I am we'll be looking at the Cyber security framework which has just been released the background briefing which I only got oh man Don't you love it when? You get a document and it says, hi, good morning everyone. We're delighted to launch a cybersecurity framework. Just so you know, all the information on this call is embargoed. This is the government. Does the government get to embargo information? That's interesting. That's a good question. That's a good question I can't answer. Just as a reminder, the information in this call is embargoed until that event begins.

2:55:19 Well, I think they do that with speeches. They give you Obama's speech in advance, but you can't like put up some black guy and have him read it in advance of the speech. As if he was Obama. Just some random dude. It's a funny idea. That's what would happen, you know. Yeah, the onion. I could just see him doing it. All information is attributable to senior administration officials on background, really. So you don't even hear who they are. But this cybersecurity framework, this is what we've been waiting for. And this is how, this truly is the fascistic government at work, how commercial companies and the government will be working together to share your information. And the standards are being written by NIST, and the framework is going to exist of standards and practices to help organizations understand, communicate, and manage their cyber risks.

2:56:29 And that reminds me, wow, that's kind of interesting, it reminds me exactly of this douchebag. Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework. Legal framework. We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it. In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people. In ours, it only exists to protect their freedoms. Protect their... You gotta love it, man. The framework. The framework, the core, the profiles, the tiers. Reinforcing the connection between business drivers and cybersecurity activities. Oh, yes! I'll be pulling that apart for everybody. What will you be working on, John? I'm gonna take a nap. Work on the Vinegar book.

2:57:23 Maybe go up to Leo's at Petaluma today check out the local news feeds and then Probably nothing I don't have any plans for Sunday. No no, but okay, you're gonna be on the Twitter work on the poppy story little more I still think there's more to this than meets the eye. I'm totally convinced that Africa is gonna be the Now that I saw this report about this central called the the the saw hell or something which turns out to be a strip all the way across to Africa Which has a bunch of illegal drug activity and criminality and it's this weird strip And it matches perfectly an actual climate zone so this climate zone Matches a criminal strip of Africa then no that apparently is uncontrollable And I believe this may be the area where they're gonna put the put the little poppies all right that and more Coming to you from FEMA region 6 in the morning. I'm Adam curry

2:58:20 And from Northern Silicon Valley, which I believe is FEMA Region 9, although it could be changed, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda. 4, 3, 2, 1. Adios. Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe. Dvorak.org slash N-A-W-S.