2:39:15 useless grass eater to the government. You are, you're nothing to them! Nothing...nothing Now I just want to bring a one little topic because i'm seeing a lot of things change um..I'm pretty sure I know what your take-whoa okay did you fall? John? John?! Yeah can hear me now yes yeah what happened yeah let me tell you what it sounded like to Yeah, I know. You sound like a drop dead. I kept hearing that But i'm serious for a minute yeah well you hear that all right now give me a little funny annoying That's what the first thing everyone thinks when it would happened was the mic stand Fell over while I was here anyway just fell over which happens once in awhile but what happened in this case it fell over and then it took the low cable and bent it
2:40:17 that goes into the bottom of the mic and it bent, I couldn't get it to stick back in. Yeah there's a square plug-in doesn't have the little loop de do or anything. No loop de do because I was just about to launch into the final thing I wanted to talk about...I'm already pretty sure what your opinion is Because between the last show on this show I launched no agenda social.com Which is our own instance of the mastodon? Oh, right, right, right network and you actually came in you looked around You blocked some people so your old JCD feeling good And then you left the adios mofos be back later that was it done no more never saw you again Never saw him again well What your experience was because I have some thoughts about it
2:41:05 Okay, it was now that I'm back. How do I sound? Sound great Thank you. Um...I thought it was just Twitter using a Ron Bloom color scheme of white on black Which I don't like Yeah, well think you missed a lot there and I just wanted to go through a couple reasons quickly We don't have to have a huge conversation about it but I'll tell you why I think it's extremely interesting Is that okay? Yeah, you know the funny thing about this mic stand is that I don't move it much but it slowly unscrews itself. Have you ever noticed this?
2:41:48 You have a phone and you had that twisted cable gets all twisty. Most people don't use landlines anymore, but if you do that all of the sudden it gets all twisty and pretty soon is just a jumbo. I know headphones, headphones! I always have with headphones. And there's nothing you're doing to make this happen? Yeah This is...I'm sure there's a term for it Headphones all the time then they get stretched out and also there's a knot in the head and then you try to uncurl it How does not even get in there Yeah, no I hear you. Remlans anyway onward okay so we're back to the Twitter mastodon yeah and so yes it is exactly like Twitter only there's a few huge differences which i think are worth noting first of all the fact that this has now just popped like this and people are signing up and they're putting up servers everywhere that's something that always needs to be noted
2:42:39 The fact that most corporate tech journalists like your buddy Lance Ulanoff have excoriated this as being stupid proves even more I think. But here are the main differences, unlike Twitter and I'll even throw in Facebook and I'll even throw in Instagram instead of having one timeline completely controlled by an algo algorithm... Algo! The algo determines what you see. Algo and veg. Yes I'm gonna have some sushi with my algo and it's gonna be delish. The algo is one simple algo
2:43:17 algorithm. It is last first in first out reverse chronological order, you control what you see and in the In this particular instance I'll use that word You have three timelines which seems like it's more than of course there's more than what Twitter has but it really gives you control you can see what's happening on your own local community server and we have a no agenda server That's only people who are on that server. It's our community. It's very nice But just having those people alone is kind of boring after awhile So they have this concept that these servers can start talking to each other and you can follow people on other servers, and it starts to show up in the third timeline which is...you have your notifications of course. Which is your-they call the federated timeline. And this is something- Wait wait wait what's the first timeline? So you have the local time timeline Yeah Uh which then you have home and your home ti-home is everyone you follow
2:44:13 I have and people on your anyone. I felt that as universal yes, that's universal well How is that different from the last one you said the? interconnected timeline You're just getting a feed of everything in the internet? Well, that's what's interesting. It's like a fire hose So here's how and this is an actual example And I think beautiful by... Before you go on should do I should mention Originally tweeter Twitter had that Yes! Oh well I was going to conclude by saying when Twitter was just starting
2:44:52 It was wide open. Developers were going crazy, they loved it! We created thousands of apps, you know tweet deck all this stuff fantastic and then Twitter went yeah no we got to make some money we gotta control it all F off you developers go away so there was this pent-up energy I think and they just became much easier between when Twitter was created now we're talking more than 10 years ago the tools are better more kids can set up a server The timing was almost perfect So let's just say basically it's your private Twitter. But if I were to follow someone, and this actually happened Leo popped up somehow...I follow Leo! Everyone that Leo follows then possibly can also show up in the federated timeline so this is how you start to meld these communities together and it's really an extension of the community we have. Somebody within the noagendasocial.com community
2:45:48 followed someone from the, uh... from the communist social network server. So now we've got all these commies showing up in the timeline and then- but they're having actual conversations! And believe it or not Leo and I were actually tooting to each other people from- I never see Leo or anyone from Twit ever on Twitter But now these two communities started to meld was very interesting so you have a lot of control You have the control not the algorithm Very simple things for hiding images that aren't safe. You have to click it to see the image or the text, which I think is great. In fact, I'm more likely to click on the picture now just because I want to see what someone has posted and you can use it for all kinds of fun different ways but but you really have the capability of connecting multiple even dimensions yes alternate universes can come together
2:46:49 It supports RSS fully in and out, another thing I've always wanted. You can set up all kinds of bots you can really it's really a developer's dream and i see this possibly going somewhere there's only one drawback you know wasn't hard for me to setup the server you know takes three four hours There's a lot of, you know... You get to that point the server is up and then I made the classic open source software mistake. Oh there's a new version let me just git pull that and bring it up! And of course that brought everything down for three hours because it was all buggy and broken but the hardest part, the thing that- The weakest part of this whole system strangely enough being an administrator
2:47:27 is the registration emails. So you, you come in I want an account, you have to confirm your registration email and I'm using a professional SMTP provider and still it's getting trapped in all kinds of spam. This is how the hardest cause... You know? I'm not part of the global scam which is white listing of emails which can cost you upwards of 50 to $60,000 a month. That's what all these startups all pay that to these shysters, these A-holes who are funded by the same venture capitalists is disgusting but in general yes I am spam bam in general I will say um I'm excited about this
2:48:09 Yeah, apparently this is the second time we discussed it. Of course I said i was going to join so last time was just me making you know and of course usually I mean a complete opposite of what Lance Ulanoff thinks when he was at BC Magazine He's my editor and we'd go after each other as if kind of a fake feud But he would write something and then I'd blast him or he, I'd write something. He tried to blast me. I was always winning by the way. Well of course Lance Ulanoff screw that guy otherwise if you're not winning... It's a great guy Lance Ulanoff is fantastic person. Come over there and make you win! Very funny cartoonist So he might be wrong. That's what I'm saying, he might be wrong It's being explained very poorly and I don't think people really understand it Well if i was going to write a column, to blast this column the first thing that I would do is obviously has a bromance with William Shatner That's the way it started Yeah of course yes Because his whole gripe was that he couldn't get Shatner on a thing where they could do a crossover Right
2:49:11 Yes, exactly. That was his major complaint he couldn't get Shatner and I used to follow Shatner but Shatner is like a on Twitter But he's like him D tweets too much He's tweets say likes to watch TV and do it on you know real-time tweet Oh now look at that who put the makeup on her Wow You're just constant kind of kibitzing And it's very hard there some point just takes up your whole page Well, I'm well impressed with what has been put... and it's also this infrastructure is 10 years old. It's Identica the new social is what it is all this stuff has been around for a long time but someone finally put the interface on that people wanted made it manageable enough for idiots like me! I am a VJ! No business knowing what RVENV is no business upgrading Ruby on Rails to 2.4.1 I really..I'm not a dude named Ben
2:50:08 But still, I could do it. And this has always been my dream of small community... Yes! It has been. This is been your dream? This is my dream. My vision has always been small communities one person sets up the server maintains at the others make they pay him for whatever they do and then we all enjoy that but the interconnecting piece that's the genius part The Federation just a name alone is kind of cool So I think that's kind of a lot of stuff is cool except for toot. I actually like that you think it's a cocaine reference? It's snorting cocaine! No, its' a fart no one only you with cocaine in the membrane only you are thinking about that. I've never heard anyone else compared to... Okay out there everyone hear him right? Adam at curry dot com ever hear this phrase? They have heard but not people say that tooting is about cocaine they say its' about farting
2:51:08 Well, and then they're all 12 years old. Of course, toot for the snooze! We've all heard the joke now I get it anyway... I implore you to take a look because it's refreshing not have the algorithms telling me what I should see. I manage it myself I like it. All right, well then let's take it to the next level. Okay? Are you going to allow the No Agenda family Yeah To get an account on your server as we speak right now today Yes, noagendasocial.com It's wide open You can go right in and get an account No agendasocial. Now Take it to the next level because I asked you about this already Can I tweet this? Well, I was thinking about that
2:51:48 Would I would prefer you don't? I would like to see how it grows organically just from the show because the minute you tweet it out Then yeah, we're gonna get a lot of I don't know. But, I'd like to see how it grows organically so... Okay! Just shut up about it No, just prefer you don't promote on Twitter that You can talk about but not say HEY SIGN UP EVERYBODY! That's no what I want. Send out a newsletter Yeah, you could certainly say WOW ADAM CURRY IS AWESOME That would be good way start your tweet And he likes chocolate cake the best Alright Let us move on with the show