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00:00 The entire US Navy is running on XP. Celebrating 100% New Zealand raw products and broadcasting live from FEMA Region 6 here in the capital of the drone star state Austin, Tejas. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it looks like we're gonna have a scorcher which is rare because it's summer. I'm John C. DeVore. It's crackpotting bonus kill! How's the printer cleaning cycle? It's just clean in a way. I don't know what it's up to will this hamper the show in any way well, I don't have my clip list ooh I mean look at on the email but that's not just same Hmm so what I'm used is not my regimen and we'll should we be concerned No, he shouldn't be concerned like you remember most of the clips Have you ever seen Oprah right oh

00:59 Excuse me? You've seen Oprah's show, right. Obviously you know Oprah. I don't know if she still does it... the Oprah book club Yeah Where when she mentions a book on the show it sold out everywhere yeah that's what she does Well we John, you and I are the Oprah of dryer balls I gotta tell ya can find a dryer ball on Amazon or eBay anywhere Oh, Etsy? I don't know about Etsy. That's where i got mine But this thing has gone viral man! Man... Dryer balls are the way to go! Dryer balls are viral?! I've got my dryer balls did you get yours? No, I have not gotten my dryer balls yet but I ordered a special pack of three small balls and three large balls Okay well I-I got a sack of six balls

01:47 Well, that's interesting enough. These are 100% New Zealand wool... So you usually have a sack of six balls? I do and it's funny you say that because the instructions tell me how to use these let us do some little legacy genesis of the dryer balls where by pure coincidence John found out that i was using dryer sheets and was appalled You said you were using dryer sheets! That's the coincidence Right Yeah, it's not a coincidence. You made a statement and then I told you that... Okay all right we were talking about something else and then coincidentally we happened upon the dryer sheets

02:29 my use of them. I'm trying to think how that came about you were- I was talking about your soft fluffy underwear or something No, no i was talking about lint Lentitis Oh right! You had lentitis Yes the urge to pull off the lint from the dryer filter in one piece Yeah And then you and I said then you mop up the rest That's being Tourette's yeah? There has got be Tourette's connected You mop up the rest of the little fragments with your dryer sheet and John went whaaaaat I didn't do that, but I said what? You use dryer sheets and then you... What?! You used dryer sheets and then that's where it began. Yes! And then you sent me a private email not even related to the show just because you love me and say hey man here is what in these dryer sheets there are all kinds of chemicals that are even on the EPA dangerous list or... Yeah

03:21 And my joke in the email was, these are the kind of things you want to wash out of your clothes. Yes oh I laughed so hard. It was very funny and uh... So then we stumbled upon an alternative which is these dryer balls. Let me read from the instructions How do smart sheep dryer balls work? Wool dryer balls work by bouncing around in your dryer lifting and separating clothing and increasing hot air flow They cut down drying time which saves you money on energy costs. Why are wool dryer balls better than fabric sheets? Fabric sheets use harsh chemicals to soften clothing, which are toxic to the environment not to mention humans! Wool dryer balls are a nature-friendly alternative Our dryer balls are handmade in Nepal with 100% New Zealand wool In the instructions it's obviously turn on dryer

04:15 Insert dryer balls, watch your clothes dry faster while your clothes get softer. The more balls you use the faster they will dry and then there's... Are you with me or are you working on the printer? I'm aghast actually what you've read Oh? My dryer balls came from a woman that has her own sheep in the United States. I'm not importing my dryer balls from Nepal! You have foreign balls! No, you have foreign balls! I mean, I have foreign balls... yeah you got American Balls Exactly Now did you know that if you want to medium load you should use three-to-four balls

04:53 I didn't know that. For larger loads, use five to six balls. Nah, I think you did-I think that's overdo it What do you need out that many for? The thing must be making a racket in there! You can never have too many balls Well there's... Have you tried these things instead of-I'm getting the joke here. Fine with me. Yeah, they're good. It works how many balls did you use well? I only had only required a medium load So I used three balls okay But I'm going to try and medium load with load up on my balls now are these balls of like tennis balls They're exactly like tennis balls. I think this is fake. I think it's a tennis ball

05:35 There you go. Well, when I get my real ones from the American... Yeah, American balls. ...as her own sheep, yeah? I will report back. I feel that Eric DeShill has a unique opportunity—I know he closed No Agenda Nation to store but can you imagine no agenda dryer balls? Come on! This is a hit! I'm telling someone's gonna be going to town and we're gonna be sitting here once again going, Well, it's okay. We're always allowed people to do that Yeah, but the t-shirts if people experiment we need to get in on our own on the action from time to time That's what we've decided It's probably not our forte Okay You're clearly distracted by your printer cleaning its heads now I had to reset it in the meantime So I can't I'm never gonna be able to print out the clips I'm gonna have to go load them onto this green well. I have an idea hold on let me do something for you

06:30 I'm going to take a screenshot here of the clip list. Check this out, this will be great and i'm going to crop it there we go boom! And i'm going to zoom in nice save and when you send this to your Skype and then you will be... It'll be one whole complete? It won't have three because I sent us three. It'll be one complete yeah okay now you love this watch what I did ready? We'll see okay accept accept accept I didn't get anything. Yeah, it's coming! There it is... You know you don't accept anymore Oh really? They've changed it Well that seems to be a... You get an image on the screen with a down arrow and without anybody telling you do anything you have to somehow know psychically to click on that down arrow Now a lot of people look at the down arrow and say well there's something down here below because that's what it looks like It doesn't look like it means download but that's what it is

07:29 So this is the new... so it doesn't say accept or anything. It's just a complete crap. Yeah, so this is a pro- The file Is a ping with incorrect extension This is a program that is uh financed and sponsored and dare I say produced entirely by the audience unlike mainstream media but even You know? This is good list There's a native ad that popped up which was..it wasn't even so native because has a big payoff at the end And it's our friend, Bill Nye the climate guy. Oh! He has something called Emoji Science? Emoji Science wow! Listen to it and then listen to the payoff and you can see who is really behind all this green initiative Hey hey Bill Nye here for The Emoji Science Lab This episode Climate Change

08:27 Climate change is a real deal everybody. Real deal? And here's why, if we had some extraordinary car on some extraordinary highway and we could drive- This is right! Hold on stop stop stop Climates a real deal and here's why and now now this is now what he's going to follow with is the reason yeah With imaginary cars and imaginary highways. Huh? Yeah, this is for the kids John This is for the kids And this is how they're being indoctrinated by the funny man with the bowtie. I'm a clown everybody It's a real deal everybody and here is why. If we had some extraordinary car on some extraordinary highway, and we could drive somehow straight up for now at highway speed, we'd be in outer space! It's right there! The atmosphere is really thin! Now back in 1750 there were about one-and-a half billion people in the world. Well today there are 7.2 going on 7.3 billion people

09:25 The people are the problem kill him. That's the problem yeah, there's Yeah, kill him that's the problem burning the same Back in 1750 when James Watt created the first workable steam engine about 250 parts per million of carbon dioxide I can't hear anymore this guy take it to the payoff man is worth it Who do you think is sponsoring this Emoji Science show? Chevron. Close. What?! What should we do? Kill ourselves, that's what he's implying. Screaming, no! Let's get to work! Let's use electricity and generate it renewably from wind and solar And then the key is we have to move it around the world through cool new transmission lines That someone's going to invent and develop and fund and distribute...and then if we had a better battery A better system of battery Better scheme of electrical energy storage We could dare I say it

10:40 Change the world! Thanks for visiting GE's Emoji Science Lab to learn and feel more... GE, makers of gas turbines. G-E? Do you believe the Gaul?! The Gaul. Dutch court ruled today that the Netherlands must cut greenhouse gas emissions. The climate ruling ordered reductions of at least 25% below 1990 levels by 2020. Environmental activists said the case lays the legal groundwork for similar action in other countries. You will obey, you will obey! This is exactly what it is this how the European Union works they have set their goals which are much higher than you think

11:41 I had a clip about the Dutch regulations. Well, I have another clip then which is just a casual clip to show you how apparently all in there now this is a clip that's going to be kind of like an ask Adam because I have to ask you if the assertions made in this clip are true at all? This is Netherlands and its future The country is bounded by the North Sea. Where there are no natural dunes to keep the sea out, the Dutch have had to build mighty walls or dikes to protect their farms and communities. Roughly half of the people and half the land here in the Netherlands are below sea level And for 700 years, the Dutch have developed their expertise at keeping this country dry It's a constant battle! Now with climate change and rising sea levels a reality... Reality!! ...the work is that much harder and more expensive

12:28 Even with impressive dikes already in place, the Dutch are moving mountains of sand and mud to fortify their dikes and protect their next generation. Famous for both their frugality and their foresight, the Dutch are investing billions of euros as climate change makes its costly impact felt on sea-level communities here and around the globe Well, yes. Is that right? Are the communities in peril, in danger? Are they all getting flooded? What's going on? Tell us! I will tell you... In 1952 there was a huge disaster in the Netherlands and the dikes broke and it was really after this in 1952 that the Delta Works were started and without doubt have a lot of experience with water but of course The Netherlands

13:19 The name says it really wasn't a country. It didn't exist So they dredged it out and they created a country which is you know with the with the dyke system That's why they have windmills Amsterdam, the entire city is built on piles what are poles? What do you call them in English? You know Poles. Yeah, exactly! You stick a shovel anywhere in the Netherlands on the ground you're gonna get water within a foot or two but the Netherlands belongs to the sea so... Is it worse? Is it worsening because it sounds to me that its worsening No It sounds like it's just borderline and it's going to flood out We are all going to die

14:09 That's what he said. I know, it's just not happening. So everybody is fretting? They're all sitting around wringing their hands? Every day people sit around in circles at Dutch birthday parties fretting about the water. Well they did anyway but just in general... No. Okay. Here's the- I just want to get that straight so you know they're feeding the American public a bunch of bull crap. Is that what you are implying? Yes! It's also a fun way to say dyke a lot. Ah. The solution of course to your dykes is your dryer balls Here is my report on the, I think this has a little more EU information in it. A Dutch court has ordered its own government to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at a faster rate than it's planning to do. A judge in The Hague said that in five years time Dutch emissions had to be 25% lower than 1990 levels. The goverment plans cuts of only 14-17%.

14:58 Campaigners on behalf of hundreds of Dutch citizens have brought the case, said to be the world's first climate liability suit. The ruling said that country had to take a lead and couldn't hide behind arguments that an international response was needed but it is not clear how this decision will be enforced and government can appeal. The EU has set a reduction target at 40% in carbon emissions by 2030. A major global conference is due later this year. Forty percent sure! That'll happen Now, what happened in the past week you may not have heard about it because we were too busy burning flags in America. Which we'll have to talk about. Taking flags down that's going to solve racism! Wooo! No flags no racism

15:40 The EPA released their big climate change strategy document, quite lengthy. I haven't even gotten through it all myself and EPA boss Gina McCarthy she's the director of the Environmental Protection Agency who has a lot of power to make rules that will affect everyone's lives went out on a tear! She was out on promoting this thing and talking about it And I found, well there was a summit the Public Health and Climate Change Summit. But before I play that, I'd like to play an appearance on CNN with our buddy Michaela over there talking about what the... Maybe I should ask you this by 2100 the year 2100 how many people if we don't act now how many people do you think John will die from climate change?

16:36 millions. We're going to avoid the damages that otherwise would happen if we continue to have our heads in the sand Okay, so heads in the sand you probably get a chance To make this argument all the time dinner parties at the bus stop etc etc So I'm gonna give you what does that mean? Yeah, you get to make this a dinner parties and bus stop she takes buses Somehow I'll bet Eugenia McCarthy has a security detail yeah driving a gas guzzler How do you convince somebody who as you say has their head in the sand, who says I don't buy it. I don't believe this. I think is just a bunch of tripe rhetoric? How do you convince somebody who says no climate change isn't how we're making it out to be

17:21 Well, Mikaela you'd be surprised but most of the people that I meet on the streets ask us why we're not doing more. Is she out on the street meeting people? While she's waiting at the bus stop? She is not meeting anyone! While she is waiting in the street with a bust up. Hey buddy what do you think? You are not doing enough! Business communities come forward businesses come forward and say why isn't government doing more okay fair People are experienced. What about the critics? Because they're vocal. Lies, lies! They are vocal. The critics of vocal who are deniers but people really want... Deniers! Bear that in mind the deniers will be talking about that later Government to provide the leadership we were brought here to provide which is to keep them safe and healthy and to hand the world to our children in a shape that we can be proud of

18:08 Climate change is not a belief system, it is a fact. This is science. So EPA's putting the science on the table we're providing all the information and were showing that in fact if you actually take action today you will save significant lives. How many John? You said millions Millions, right? Millions. Thousands of lives every year! Thousands?! Thousands of lives!! So much trouble!!! You are going to save precious resources that we all care about you're going to address issues of extreme drought you're going to reduce the amount of acreage that's destroyed by wildfires and this is an important issue that we all need to embrace it's not political What??

18:52 How is acreage destroyed by wildfires? I have an acre. Are you questioning things, citizen? And there is a bunch of weeds on it and then all of the sudden it goes into this part of a wildfire but how has the acre gone? That's a good point Yeah, your acre's not well... no it's not gone. Wildfire is usually what it is I mean there are instances where a wildfire is a forest but again the acreage is still there. I'm with you brother! I'm a brother. I'm with you, brother. It's not political it's science and we can do this we always have Gina McCarthy thank you so much We should let you know at home that CNN is taking a look At the difference just two degrees Celsius could make in changing the world we live in And how we can prevent a global catastrophe before it happens You can shut up already! Science So CNN they had this new digital studios division where they're making native advertising

19:53 And this is one of them. They are being paid, I don't have a receipt... General Electric? No they're being paid by the EPA Oh the EPA has a budget now for promotion Yes! Huge So they have this cnn dot com slash two degrees This is just made up! Well yeah it's too bad... Why'd they make it ten degrees and really frighten the public It's to bad we don't have Don't have video, but you can even hear on the sound effects of this short little promo reel that's on the CNN.com slash two degrees Which you won't see on television This is purely paid for by the United States government to propagate the 2 degree means. Two degrees Celsius It's probably the most important number we've never heard of Environmental policy experts say that temperature in two degrees Celsius or 3.6 Fahrenheit

20:44 may be the edge of the cliff for climate change. If global average temperatures were more than that, we'll greatly up the odds of new and worsening climate catastrophe Explosions the earth is exploding and burning this danger signs flashing on the screen stay below that mark And we may be able to avoid some of the worst aspects of global warming Oh super droughts mass extinctions in extreme sea level rise Mass Extinction's John mass extinction and as extinction meme is a big deal. I saw that at a number shows there's all Based more or less on what I talked about on the last show, which is that guy that air like guy from Stanford Yeah getting back in the game because I guess he needs to get a book out or he's running out of money. I'm not sure what the point of it is They have the extreme sea level rise and they show this the Manhattan skyline with the water like halfway up the Empire State Building

21:41 Yeah, yeah, it's crazy when we burn gas in our cars or coal in our power plants notice Notice there's no natural gas discussed here adding carbon to the atmosphere and warming the planet Scientists say the Earth surface temperature has warmed 0.85 degrees Celsius since 1880 industrial revolution if we want a slow climate change We're going to have to cut back fast This is why we have the new regulations for air travels. It's not just going to cut back fast, it's going to cost you more Celsius in just a few decades. Anyway, you get the idea now let me just with that in mind with the temperature in mind let us go to the public health and climate change summit this was a White House summit I was not on C-SPAN but could only find that on YouTube three and a half hours I sat through this crap

22:29 And finally there she was, our hero with her cape on. Her climate cape Director of EPA Gina McCarthy Here's how she starts her little ditty with a- Of course you want to start with a little... You know Little humor Hey everybody! How is it going so far? Great That was not a resounding eeehhh Wake up now! WAKE UP NOW SLANGS WAIT That is the worst thing you can do when you're on stage. Wake up! Isn't that the worst thing you can do? Well, it's insulting. Yeah everyone was like... It's also insulting to whoever putting out in a conference. Yeah that's what I mean is it's completely lame. Everybody it's a very insulting thing to say. Hey everybody how's it going so far great

23:10 That was not a resounding eugh. Wake up now! Wake up, I demand you break your conditioning! Uh...I know it's-it's..I just want to let you know do not go outside its very bad So your lucky that you're in here its toasty outside I wonder what that could be all about? What why why? Oh she is a riot! Wha wha wha wha I wonder what that could be all about? Wha wha wha? We'll be here all the week Wha wha wha? So the crowd is obviously slanted. Now we heard the thousands of people number and I really like this, uh...I only have two clips from her from this three-and-a-half hours with panels and all kinds of jabronis but she's going to give us an exact number how many people how many thousands of people will die. Exactly! I like that. Yeah so take a look at that if the only thing your friend cares about is fishing if they like cold water trout tell them to read section I don't know what in the report She doesn't even know what the section is in the report

24:08 They'll find themselves there. If they care about saving 57,000 people who will actually die prematurely in the year 2100 alone in the United States if we don't take global climate action then have them read the whole report. Now so what I'm hearing her say is if we do not take action, immediate action. It always has to be immediate. 57 thousand people will die prematurely because of course you know we all die prematurely by the year 2100 I mean it's almost as many people who died from automobile accidents No automobiles 40-50 Almost

24:56 No, almost is almost... it reversed. It's more than people. More than if... yeah. Well almost can't... you're picky today! Can't almost... You said... Is almost all... is almost... It's not. It's more than? No Almost could if was less then or be less than or almost If its' more then, it's more than or almost Yeah I'm sorry What?! Yes! Almost means that it's in the neighborhood not plus or minus Oh almost means it's less than oh really yes okay Because it's not just about public health in one section. It's about being able to take action today to save 12,000 people that will be dying from extreme heat. You can believe it today if you go outside!

25:42 They used to always say weather's not climate now she's claiming on a hot day. Uh-huh that is an example no proof Proof proof that 12,000 people a month will die You're talking about people, if they're worried about wildfires we are going to have 64% more acres burning every single year. Let's write this down John for the year 2100 so we can check the exactity of 64%. He's good. In the year 2100 if we don't do something about it But what is it really about Gina? If we do something about it today, We can save acreage the size of Maryland every year Let's burn Maryland instead Wait a minute how are you gonna save the size of Mar- Save it from what?!

26:30 I'll follow from the heights coming up. Acreage is the size of Maryland! What do you want to choose here, folks? I would like... Al Gore thinks that Maryland's not going to be the size of Maryland if floods come in. Half the country is going to be underwater. We mock this because- Can people make up their minds?! It's so mockable and it Does anyone not see that this is insanity to save 57,000 people from premature death? So maybe they died at 70. You can see the insanity. Well of course it's really about one thing... So we are doing everything we can to engage the public where they live, the things that they care about

27:15 Because we all know that we all care about our kids future. We all care about our own public health But frankly, it's all about the kids Did you just set the whole thing up just to run that clip no No I actually have uh...the second clip is pretty good. All right okay? You're on a roll I'm on a roll and hope we don't do this again What, the Gina McCarthy thing? No. We did last five shows and we started off with the same topic Like I said, you're on a roll. Let's wrap let's go We will not only deliver for you what you want your government to deliver This is about us she's talking to us John She's about the talk to us What you expect our government to deliver but we will be able to hold onto those Deliverables because we will never just you know you're gonna Silicon Valley now I think in this case You just want to listen to what she's saying

28:15 voice of all of the people, not just a minority. Because when I put out a report on acting on climate like we did yesterday that shows how dramatically our world will change if we don't act and just the benefits we can deliver if we do...I am doing that not to push back on climate deniers You can have fun doing that if you want, but I've batted my head against the wall too many times and if the science already hasn't changed their mind it never will. But in any democracy its not them that carries the day It is normal human beings You are not normal, Mr. Dvorak! Not you a-holes who keep questioning these computer models... You are not normal! Wait there's more that haven't put their stake in to politics above science Science It's normal human beings that want us to do the right thing and we will if you help us thank you very much Goodnight Cleveland! Fuck the norm, not those crazies Normal people Normal

29:22 Alright, then to wrap this up because I am going somewhere. But I was blown away by Senator Ted Cruz and now these facts need to be checked but i liked what he said Big government energy mandates don't stop with ethanol there are tax credits for almost every form of energy each designed to give one industry a leg-up over the other There's enhanced oil recovery credits for producing oil and gas from marginal wells. There's an advanced nuclear power generation credit, clean coal investment credits." Now at first I was thinking to myself okay you know isn't he a republican? Isn't he supposed to be all in on big oil and big everything and not even supposed to promote nuclear what's going on i'm confused! I'm confused... He must have a point! "...and a credit for plug-in electric and fuel cell vehicles

30:22 And of course, the infamous wind production tax credit. Ah! The infamous wind production tax credit so infamous not even we have heard of it I've never heard of it. I didn't know that was if it's infamous you'd think you know about it Yeah well we don't know about but he has the numbers our Ted here A two-year extension of wind credits alone cost taxpayers more than 13 billion dollars That seems like a lot of money I don't think we should get a generator. So he's going to equate this to something which i found very important, Which is enough to pay the monthly electricity bills for 124 million Americans! How about putting that up for a referendum? Do we continue to benefit one favored industry

31:16 Or do we pay the electricity bill for 124 million Americans? You know what, I don't think that would be a close vote for the American people. But i don't know let's take a vote uh would you like to have your... Would you like to have wind power subsidies John or no electricity bill? I'd love to own a wind farm now! Yeah do you think that's true of course I mean he's right but I never heard of this neither have I This is very interesting. But if he uses this, if it can't be debunked by some fuzzy crap that he's based this on... That's pretty strong! I like it. First time Ted Cruz has said something where didn't sound really icky and I kind of liked what he said. So you're not looking at him either? No, I looked at him when I made the clip believe me but yeah, everybody in politics is harsh to look at. Jeez, I've watched all

32:13 This was almost four hours. The OPM, the Office of Personnel and Management... I'm glad you got it! I hope you got something out of it. I did. Because I watched it and went there's nothing here. Did you watch the whole thing? Of course not! You already admitted that you were watching so I didn't have to worry about it. Okay this is this will be interesting for our dudes named Ben we have a lot of people who are technologists some still tech horny who listen to the program. And I like what was going on here for a couple of reasons, one there were some fantastic memes that were brought in obviously all to shepherd in more money for cyber security and this is really what it's all about but I will say just just to give you the little bit of the severity I asked some of our producing friends

33:01 who produced the show, you know. Did they now know exactly what kind of information on them that was in this? And this also goes to USIS these are the guys...that's the it's a contract for USIS who you'll hear about in a moment. They're the ones do all the background checks they do it so well remember the background check on the guy in the Navy yard who shot up shot up the place, although he just seemed to be jumping around for the video. Goes into the OPM database, the Office of Personnel and Management. Gotta be great! So here is some of the things that have been exposed I quote Everywhere I've lived this is from one of our producers everywhere I've lived in most cases since the age of 18 credit history including account numbers bank information including account numbers names and addresses of our immediate family members names and addresses of our closest friends

34:00 Landlord, mortgage company account numbers with names and addresses. Criminal history, mental health or health information if related to employment history. Basic information in question which people just had to justify such as credit problems, unemployment periods, divorced people they've lived with any foreigners they've associated with this is all the information that was exfiltrated stolen This is...that's concerning! That's a lot of information You know, you can...I could assume an identity. You could have a lot of fun with that information if you're a criminal. You sure can. Now everyone is lying and there's three or four different contractors on this panel all pointing at each other. One is the security tool then we have the USIS who are under investigation for fraud which I'll get to in a moment. And then we have this fabulous woman Anne Barron DeCamille who works for Department Homeland Security for CERT

34:54 which is the Cyber Emergency Response Team, who do a pretty good job I think of notifying the technology world when something is awry. But we'll start with a little tête-à-tête between Chavitz. We like Chavitz, he's funny and he really set the director of OPM up on this one. He does that well! Yeah and this one he had really well setup and is going to bring in the CIO who I think they already got to. It seems to me like, so the CIO is this woman named Seymour and whenever her boss I would say, or director said no there was nothing stolen, nothing was gone but of course she's using slippery language because what she means is that no PII was stolen, personal identifying information

35:47 even though it was. So when you hear PII, you know what it is but just listen to Chavitz set her up and then use the CIO or chief information officer to really catch her in a huge lie. Yes there was a breach into our system Did they...was there any information lost? As I've just said to you there were no PII lost That's not what asked you! I asked did they..did you lose any information You'd have to ask the forensic team. I'm asking you if any information was lost? I'll get back to you with that answer, sir. Lying much?! I believe you know the answer to this question. Can you imagine sitting there and having this going on? My ass would be sweaty! I feel really bad for this woman... dog face. Do you believe I just know- Huh? She deserves it. Of course! The answer to your question? Yes Did they take any information when they hacked into the computers

36:42 I have been advised by my CIO and our forensic team that no PII was taken. No, that's not what i asked you! We'll take as long as you want here... I'm sorry? I did not ask if they just exfiltrated PII. I'm asking you did they take any other information? What would be relevant of information that was taken if there was John would there be anything worth mentioning if you're the director Well, I don't know because I don't know what Chaffee's doing. I don't know what he is trying to get out of her. Well here we go! I mean I know he is setting her up but I don't know why because I haven't heard this. Oh you are going to love it. I will get back... I know that you know the answer to this question Ms Seymour did they? She is a CIO Seymour Take any other information

37:31 At the, in the March 2014 incident the adversaries did not have access to data on our network. They did have access to some documents and they did take some documents from the network. Oh! Documents hmmm... Hmm. All right dudes named Ben get ready to laugh, but were those documents those documents were some outdated security Documents about our systems and some manuals about our system. Let me see I've got some security information let me store this on the system That's where I'd store it what kind of manuals? Uh, manuals about what? So you're storing your password in a file that says password text. Exactly the servers and the environment is it fair to say is that does that like a blueprint for the system It would be fair to say that that would give you enough information that you could learn about the platform The infrastructure of our system Yes but they did take information yes sir they did

38:31 Do you believe it was a breach of security? Yes sir, I do. So Ms Archuleta when we rewind the tape and look at the WJLA TV interview that you did on July 21st... Here's here's the dagger it's up against her abdomen he's about to thrust it in! You said again we did not have a breach in security there was no information that was lost That was false wasn't it? I was referring to PII No you weren't that wasn't the question That was not the question You said, and I quote there was no information that was lost. Is that accurate or inaccurate? Now just so you know he's talking about the March 5th of March 2014 breach as the first one this is the first one where what they took were documents outdated documents about you know the password dot TXT file

39:21 And nothing was done at that point about that breach. The understanding that I had of that question, and that time referred to PIO. It was misleading it was a lie and it wasn't true when this plays out we're gonna find that this was the step that allowed them to come back and why were in this mess today? And you will hang! You will hang lady so but I think he did a good job on that He was completely set up. Then they pass the mic around, you know the talking stick who gets to talk next and then we bring in Wahlberg Republican from Michigan this is kind of a I like his voice he's kind of an older type dude uh and he's the meme master address data birth job and pay history and more that could be there

40:12 For years we've been hearing about the risk of a cyber Pearl Harbor. Is this a cyber pearl harbor? Yeah, he's now he's talking to and Baron de Camille who is a Silicon Valley uptalker of epic proportions The impact associated with the data breach that was Confirmed that the records that were taken out of their personal records is what we would call in a severity scale A significant impact significant impact. What does significant impact mean? Meaning that the data, if it was correlated with other data sources could be you know severely it can impact the environment as well as... The environment! The environment meaning

40:58 The fact that they were able to take the data out of the environment, that's a significant impact to the environment and ensuring that they are able to mitigate the ability that attacker used to get into that environment. And then the fact that data was exfilled is also considered to be high significant impact. Exfilled John you gotta say exfill not exfiltrated but exfilled. So it's blown up. Blown up? It's blown up a lot of things. It would generate an impact. Protection security It's a Pearl Harbor. That's not a term I'm comfortable with using, but in the severity scale that we use this is pretty significant. Yeah it would be medium to high significance yes. I love that! It's a...it's a Pearl Harbor. It's a pearl harbor Mr President. Is- it's a pearl harbour so that meme is back but there's something else going on here and Representative Liu of California what?

42:02 I'm doing something. Don't pay attention to me." Well, then can you do it quietly? I have concerns not just about the... Here's what here's what's going on this is not just about cyber there's a whole secondary agenda happening here regarding USIS the guys who did the background checks who went bankrupt and then were acquired by another company who refuses to let anyone see any of their information even though they are a government contractor and all of those guys got huge bonuses. The CEO got $1 million bonus while all this crap was going on. I have concerns not just about the failures of OPM leadership but also the failures of its contractors

42:41 In particular, USIS. Because it looks like what happened here wasn't just recklessness or negligence It was fraud And I want to know how far up this fraud went and why no apparent company knew about it? And why not the hedge fund managers that funded these companies knew about it So let me begin with Mr. McFarland As you know the Department of Justice joined a lawsuit against USIS in January for defrauding the government under its contract with OPM and according to the justice department filing Beginning in at least March 2008 and continuing through at least September 2012, USIS management devised and executed a scheme to deliberately circumvent contractually required quality reviews of completed background investigations in order to increase the company's revenues and profits. You assisted their investigation this case correct? That is correct.

43:31 And as I understand it, the parent company Altegrity paid bonuses to top executives at USIS during the period of their fraud that amounted to nearly $30 million. Mr. McFarland, to your knowledge has USIS or Altegrity paid the government back for those bonuses? I'm not positive, but I believe not. All right let me enter in a record Mr Chairman if possible an article from the Wall Street Journal entitled Altegrity executives got payout before Screener went bankrupt Okay so there's some secondary agendas we have to move different because you know this guy doesn't give a crap about The public he just wants to get his contractors in No doubt

44:10 This was of course the work of Chinese hackers. This was stated as fact, wasn't it John? Chinese hackers that broke in... That's... It was never officially said, it was almost like leaked-as Which would, public at large the average person that would be all in on global warming as the other woman pointed out. Yes That average person would Normal person If you asked them on the street they'd say Chinese hackers Normal person A normal person No I'm sorry a normal person would think it's Chinese or yeah Well let's get it right straight from the horse's mouth then Or the Basset hound as it were These people though are on the front line They're over This is Micah Overseas

44:52 And they're representing us and there was, I could hear concern in their voice about what's been uh... what has taken place. Now i've read is it Chinese hackers? Does anyone know? Was it Chinese? Do we know for sure? Do you know for sure? That's classified information sir Oh! I guess its not so sure then Why would it be classified if everyone already knows that it's the Chinese? It'd be classified. I'm asking you. You ask me, I have no idea! I think it's a lie! It's a lie! It's a lie... Alright the final clip this is something that dudes named Ben will enjoy of course when you are tracking things for security your friend is your log files

45:39 So you can see who logged in, what they did where they're roaming around. Yeah probably a little more than just your typical D message log file but some real log files let's go to the Silicon Valley girl and Baron DeCamille from Department of Homeland Security and let's see why could they not figure out Who had broken in and why they broke into the system in the March 2014 breach? Yes, so our team was on site. It was an interagency response team including our law enforcement partners We worked just part of the incident response team what we do is we're working with the system administrators and daily were Don't you love it's a managers and this is your chair But if the emergency response team are informing them every day at the end of the day how many

46:20 Any day of the end of this did you inform them on a daily basis? We were there for about two weeks and by the way, she knows her shit don't stink then it's probably she's probably really right on the money but she's giving us information which is Abhorrent to go back and get the specific time frame. So that's at least ten reports that you've given them through the weekend ma'am through the week They work through the weekend job. Holy crap. They worked in the weekend ma'am. Yeah This should get a little star on her forehead. there was compromised credentials, specifically- And how did that happen? How did those compromise credentials... What were the two areas that you found within their own system that should have been taken care of previously. We found a lack of some security mechanisms that would've helped prevent this kind of intrusion but because of the lack of logging we weren't able to find the initial point of entry. Lack of logging! They couldn't find the initial point of entry due to lack of logging?!

47:31 This is the most basic log there is. Lack of logging? Uh-huh, well let's dive into it shall we? We were able to find activity from that... Can you talk about that lack of logging what is that? Good question! There are a number of types of logs that we look at forensically that can help us piece together a picture of what happened within your network And why weren't those there There's a number of reasons. It is risk decision, it can cost a lot of money depending on the volume. It is a risk and cost decision made by the company itself? It can be because it requires quite a bit of storage associated with some of that kind of product. So the government contractor we hired to do goverment work for us decided hey man they don't want to pay for storage. They could buy 5 terabyte drive now at Costco for 140 bucks

48:18 Well, I mean terrified are the logs going to be? Well let's find out. ...for us decided that a risk and assess and a cost decision on their part did not require them they didn't put in the logins that were necessary to protect this system... I can answer that specifically i can just give you some of the reasons I've seen that people are not continuing to have the historical logs because of the volume of data um you know there's millions of NetFlow records that happen a day and that does require quite a bit of storage. Okay, millions of net flow records a day which does require quite a bit of storage So let's say there's 100 million about hundred million lines of logging I'll ask the chat room how many what file size would that would that take to store? A hundred million

49:06 lines of log. If each line was a megabyte, it would be 100 gigs! Yeah. So the letter that's... No, it would be 100 megabytes. Oh no, if each line was... 100 million, yes exactly. 100 gigs you're right was sent by UCIS to Ranking Member Cummings. Would you agree with the assertions that were made there? No, I would not we did provide them daily reports as well as a final findings report so we went over that with the team and then we also provided a mitigation report and i have documented evidence of all of that. I have everything right here in my satchel mm-hmm You can't get me no no no So this is what's happening with records of background checks

49:49 They are just, you know... Who needs to log that shit who's logging in? We all... Okay. It is so obvious what happened You know I've-I had a company we were on site at Silicon Graphics and you get admin logins- I was in Bankers Trust! We got admin logins. We were punching holes in the firewall to the outside of a bank This it's this no one understands that this stuff is just fly by the seat of their pants None of this is secure none of it none of it And now they can't oh it's too expensive to keep logs Oh Yeah. So that's great, that's what it boils down to and you know everybody who has worked for the government we do have a letter one of our producers who wants to remain anonymous sent us a copy of the note Oh that they sent around to everybody? Now I'm going to...I'll probably clear this with him but i'm going to put the entire note that everybody got this note that was in the government yeah i'm going to put it in the next newsletter oh nice

50:48 As an attachment, well not an attachment it would have to be actually in the newsletter. Yeah I think yeah... No a link! It'll be a link in the newsletter to a file online But why don't you do a block quote? A block quote?! Yeah in the newsletter You know like a little block quote What's a block quote got to do with putting the newsletter in there? Well part of that email you put in a block quote Well you always do block quotes What's a block quote? It's little block of quote. Oh yeah, I can do that but this is a four pager. Oh okay no we can't do that link you're right link is better uh but he's got all the stuff in here and I don't and I'll take out...he's got his name he's got all this stuff though he's got redacted stuff so you can't figure this out I hope

51:31 And I'm going to assume that I can just run this and he remains anonymous. But this came from the United States Office of Personnel Management, from the chief information officer who we just heard from. I am writing to inform you that U.S. office OPM recently became aware of a cybersecurity incident affecting its systems and data that may have exposed your personal information." Now the woman just said there was no personal information exposed but this letter says otherwise. Well, this is from the second breach the first breach that was only... The blueprints were stolen. Every time they took a breach they took more passwords and got... Do you know how much additional funding they asked for to shore up their system? I can't imagine! 50 million dollars, i guess to implement log files

52:16 And then, I didn't clip this but one of the Senate representatives said you know we gave CIA to build their system $600 million. These are insane amounts! Yeah... Especially if they don't work they say oh it's militarized and more secure no it's not as less secure these guys are boneheads and they're lying Yeah, and then they're lying. And then they have the uptalker in there to make things worse. I like her. I like her. Take it! I have everything in my satchel. I've proof of everything. Just terrible. Yep yep that's your government dollars at work people and soon to hand off another half a billion dollars I'm sure for a database

53:06 All Oracle, I might add. Oracle running on Windows Server 2003 or Windows Server 2008. It's like what the Navy has got right now which is a disaster waiting to happen The entire US Navy is running on XP They refuse to upgrade and it's a big scandal because they're paying Microsoft millions of dollars a year to keep the, for support. Because Microsoft said we're stop supporting it and if you want to absolutely have to need support you can pay us and will give you support so there's a team at Microsoft that is dedicated pretty much of the Navy's contract and they are supporting XP on the fly as things slowly falls apart

53:49 It's ridiculous. That's probably why Microsoft did that in the first part, in the first place. Oh I'm sure there was some element... If I were Microsoft I'd do that. Smart move! Yeah I got an idea let's charge these guys for support that we won't give away for free anymore perfect yeah you won't hear this discussed on any tech horny show I'm pretty sure certainly not the log file issue that's just insane I have better log files than the US government on my own email server Yeah, what does it take nothing to cost you a fortune? No log file file just like line You could do log files for a year and not use up a gigabyte. Yeah And it's highly compressible you know log files are text so you can control this I'm asked yes slam it down to nothing yeah Well if we were running the show we'd know what to do

54:44 But we got a different show to run. Yeah, well there's a couple things you need to catch up on okay? Couple of things one of the things is the Benghazi thing which is gonna be thorn in the side of Hillary I didn't know it was back on the agenda. Well, no what's going on in the background? It just not really back on the agenda and never will because there looks like they've said in the hit squads out to take care Of people hmm now let's play this clip as soon as I heard this oh if you guys know anything If anybody out there knows anything you better either right get a dead man switch or something cuz your you've had it OK. The Pentagon has announced a U.S. air strike in northern Iraq killed an operative with the self-proclaimed Islamic State Ali Awni Alharzi was labeled a person of interest in the 2012 attack on the US diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya and was accused of recruiting North African fighters he was apparently killed by a drone near Mosul last week Oh no! Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi... Here we go there's your cruise missile

55:47 That's one down. I don't know nothing! Oh, dang. Alright? So I'm just warning people. Yeah. Michael Wolfe the... I guess he's a media critic and he is a book writer, and he has done a lot of... He is kind of high-end. One of his high end guys who wrote the biography of Rupert Murdoch and people like that. Oh yes! I know who it is. Yeah. He is a famous guy. So I got to kick out this commentator. He is an elite hagiographer. He is very elite. But I got this kick, which is another thing you won't hear on the normal tech shows. Tech horny's! Got this kick out of his commentary he made about net neutrality play the Michael Wolff clip. What do you think of the president and net neutrality? Wait a minute is this Charlie? Yeah it's on Charlie Rose Nice Okay... I think that net neutrality is one of those other issues in which the smoke hasn't cleared and I would say that when it clears

56:49 The digital guys will be surprised because what they have done is Digital has always been an unregulated business. By creating this, the net neutrality laws they suddenly become regulated and regulation then becomes a game of who has the best lawyers. And I'm gonna tell you... And lobbyists? And lobbyists! And I'm going to tell you that media companies have been doing this for an awfully long time. Yeah well though the regulations are in effect officially Because we passed the 60 day, uh...60 days past publishing in the Federal Register. Even though the lawsuits are pending. Four days are numbered! Oh yeah for this show? Well unless you get a license but then we have to kowtow to certain government regulations and it's gonna really be a problem if you cuss that's going to be regulated I can assure you that's happening oh boy We're in trouble well we're gonna have something we gotta hire somebody to beep out the show Bleep bleep! We can't do it live anymore. We'll have to, y'know, we can't do it live. BLEEP

57:53 Well, luckily you are an actual journalist accredited as such. So at least maybe I can operate it and you can deputize me? Deputy podcaster? You're now deputized as a journalist official! So we had General Hayden Now, Hayden ran the NSA, ran CIA and he of course now has his own... And now he's just running. He's running yeah but he has his consultancies and he's got a little company doesn't he? Isn't with some company I thought he was working with Shurtoff Oh that would make sense And he was at a Wall Street Journal conference and talking about cybersecurity and Snowden. And two little clips I pulled from that, one about well as you always say our real beef with Russia is Snowden right? Yes that's my thesis! Do you think he was actually acting for foreign government? So intelligence officer...

58:54 I thought you said something. No, just answer questions like that using inductive reasoning. I hope so we go to yeah not information well intelligence we got a data and then we supposed to draw generalized conclusions from data and I Got no inductive trail that tells me Snowden was was helped on the other hand if I go deductive on you which is this is what he did how do I best explain it as Got my suspicions, but I'm not a deductive guy. I'm an inductive guy by profession and therefore I have no evidence But he's just make it I just say this and then maybe you can take it from there right

59:37 But then we got this little ditty. Now, as we know, we had this big change—we went from the Patriot Act to the USA Freedom Act mainly regarding Section 215—we still own section215.org which we put up years ago based upon what we were reading in the National Defense Authorization Act at the Catera. And this is, you know...the big change that was made as we deconstructed it is no longer the government allowed to collect information and sift through it. Now the telephony companies keep the data are mandated to keep it for five or seven years and then, you know, it pretty much made it easier they're all indemnified they can pass off this so that they can share this information with the government

1:00:23 And, you know so this was a big change. And the way it was presented on the outside, the way many people certainly in mass media but also on tech porny shows Oh well it's all we've taken care of it The USA Freedom Act took care of it No longer can this be done This must really piss this guy off Well maybe not Somebody would come up to me and say look Hayden here is thing This Snowden thing is going to be a nightmare for you guys for about two years I mean when you get all done with it What you're going to be required to do is that little 215 program about American telephony metadata. And by the way, you can still have access to it but you gotta go to the court and get access to it from the companies rather than keep it yourself." I go, and this is it after two years? Cool! What a dick! Oh he said total dick. And how- and then the wheeze at the end was like cool

1:01:30 Cool. Yeah, no he's a war criminal. What an anal. So a couple things came out I thought were kind of related to this one was the new Snowden...I guess that thing that was sitting at the bottom of the drawer in Glenn's or somebody's desk or The New York Times which is the new Snowden revelation that came along just to needle somebody British documents from Edward Snowden reveal how U.S. officials ordered a drone strike in Yemen to kill a doctor they believed was working with al-Qaida in 2012. The documents, reported by The New York Times and Guardians, show how a joint U.S., British and Australian program called Overhead supported the strike

1:02:14 Officials believe the doctor was surgically implanting explosives in operatives. The news has raised questions about the extent of British involvement in the U.S. drone program." They inserted explosives into operative? Now, there's a couple things here that are interesting. This story should have come out like months ago before the movie Kingsmen because that is an element from that movie. Which I have not seen, but here's a real no agenda type movie. It is a total no agenda thing. Nice nice. I saw another movie recently that is very...another No Agenda movie even though it was more high school type of movie which is Josie and the Pussycats which has also got a No Agenda theme and I recommend that too! Wait, I have to revisit now?

1:02:59 Nice. Yes! Josie and the Pussycats is all over this, but the way I see this... This was just to bust the chops of the UK and the Australians because this operation overhead was apparently their involvement it's not just Obama signing off on these drone strikes you got the UK we got our guys who want to kill too Meanwhile, the most interesting thing that took place which is the clip. This is a clip of U.S. spying on France which I thought was very revealing about one thing. The government of France expressed outrage today after new revelations of US eavesdropping documents released by WikiLeaks showed the National Security Agency spied on the last three French presidents and other officials from 2006 to 2012

1:03:48 12. Prime Minister Emmanuel Ball, addressing the National Assembly said France will not tolerate such actions. These types of practices are a very serious violation of the spirit of trust we must have. The United States must admit not only that danger that such acts have on our freedoms but also they must do everything to repair the damages it created in the relationship between allied countries and between the United States and France French President François Hollande called the spying unacceptable and said President Obama promised in a phone call to end it. Cool! I thought this was interesting from the perspective that this leak came through WikiLeaks and not through the Snowden revelations or as now there wasn't show up on The New York Times of The Guardian, which tells me where did this come from? Russia! Of course

1:04:40 The Russians have been dogging all this stuff the same way we do, and so the Russians came up with some documents and they'd slipped them to uh... the WikiLeaks folks. And they just ran with it. They didn't care where they came from. This is more of this gamesmanship being played between- This is giving us the needle as best the Russians can. They can play this silly game as well as we can. In fact not even playing very well So that was to me a shot across the bow. I like that, yeah so what will happen next? Well it depends on what we're going to do with all these tanks. This came right on the heels of the announcement and the tanks were gonna load up! I think i have a clip about that... Okay. I don't know what clip it is but its up there somewhere. Let me take a look for you

1:05:32 I don't know. You know, I don't know your clip list. People know—I never listen to John's clips. I don't even read it. Military gear in Estonia? There we go. The United States will deploy tanks and other weaponry across seven countries in Eastern Europe. Speaking during a visit to Estonia, Defense Secretary Ash Carter said each set of equipment would be enough for a military company or battalion. We will temporarily stage one armored brigade combat teams vehicles and associated equipment in countries in Central and Eastern Europe. This pre-positioned European activity set includes tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and artillery. Estonia as well as Lithuania Latvia Bulgaria Romania and Poland

1:06:23 Have agreed to host company to battalion sized elements of this equipment Which will be moved around the region for training and exercises I'm pretty sure the host word is so that they're not using these stationed word or stored word. Yeah hosts yeah like a meeting See this coming they say okay, we're gonna show you something here You've been spying on France what else do you want us to reveal? We want to keep this right So this is gonna, we're getting a little no agenda. It's kind of subtle Cold War. Subtle? Not even so subtle CNN was touting this cold war back! Thank God we got global warming to heat up the Cold War There you go And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C where the c stands for Confederate Dvorak

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1:10:32 People send me a copy of your notes well mate. Yes, do that just in case in fact let's maybe he did Let me look oh I can look it up to yeah hold on second who is this pageant PADG ett? Adjett assuming that he uses his name why does PayPal do that doesn't do it consistently and I have to look into it now. I don't have any I don't have any note from the adgt Andrew Padgett This is Colter Padgett, this is not Andrew Paget. Here it is! You got it? Nope I go the donation notice from PayPal Let's see if he uses an email I can search Forensics being... Yeah yeah that's a different It uses a funny email address let's see if that works Copy copy It's no copying

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1:16:32 Okay, well there you go. Yeah, okay? All right yeah, we couldn't do better probably And I kind of liked the last show. I thought we did a pretty good job. That show was good Show, you know, but I was it didn't hit me until this morning when I figured this one out The president came out now there was a lot of things to be obstructed over this past week We had or not obfuscated I should say hidden move from the mainstream narrative Yeah with all the bullcrap news exactly like the flags and stuff which we have flag flag will talk about the flag But also we had the Human Rights Report, I think it's coming out today. Then in the Human Rights Report it pretty much says Israel are a-holes and they need to be brought before the International Criminal Court for killing Palestinians so we probably won't hear a lot about that you know there's other things I'm sure were not doing too well but did not a lot of talk and then the president came out with this executive order which is what does them do they still do numbers? No they don't

1:17:31 They stopped doing the numbers. We'll have to wait until it's in the federal register, we'll get the EO number for it and this is the executive order hostage recovery activities which was completely misinterpreted as far as I'm concerned you know... It pretty much says well we're going to set things up put a little task force together that we love putting task force together And, you know with this task force we're going to help the families who have been threatened to be thrown in jail if they try to pay off someone and just all about the hostages. The way it was interpreted by right-wing media was oh well he's just gonna negotiate with a hostage. Oh kidnapped! Just gonna be more than that. Go ahead kidnap Americans

1:18:15 I don't think that is what was going on, but do want to play two little snippets from the president's about 30 minutes in total. Interesting to me and I think to NOAA general listeners he really only had two examples of American hostages which brings into question you know this number of all thirty hostages oh it's so crazy with so many hostages we have to do something about hostage as a government We should always do everything in our power to bring these Americans home safe and to support their families. Dedicated public servants across our government work tirelessly to do so Our military personnel risked their lives in dangerous missions such as the operation I authorized last year that attempted to rescue Americans held in Syria and Yemen

1:19:07 And there have been successes. So he's going to give us the two real hostage situations, such as the rescue of Captain Richard Phillips held by Somali pirates. Tom Hanks? That's your example? Tom Hanks? Please! Tom Hanks and Jessica Buchanan We know that was bullcrap you remember who she was in the hospital they went guns blazing we got that video from one of our producers who was there How, you know how it would they almost dropped her remember that was they're trying to bring us a while ago rescued from Somalia Okay So that's his two examples were big examples But what is really happening something interesting going on? Well before you go into your analysis because I have none. Mm-hmm. I do have two clips though Oh Let's do it And if I had the two eclipse ones Obama hostages one which I thought this is these are from PBS and they were kind of giving him The needle I thought there the piece was

1:20:04 was ironic. They weren't sympathetic to Obama. Right. Plain of being stonewalled, last year Diane Foley told CNN's Anderson Cooper that her son safe return never seemed a priority for the US government As an American I was embarrassed and appalled um...I think our efforts to get Jim freed were an annoyance The president heard that complaint first hand today in a meeting with the relatives

1:20:43 Many of the families told us that they at times felt like an afterthought or a distraction. That too often, the law enforcement or military and intelligence officials they were interacting with were begrudging in giving them information And that ends today Alright so he says that it ends today...and then this second clip which really kind of bothers me play this and I'll tell you what bothers me about it, and then you can go with your...what's really going on. Now Mr Obama has ordered a series of changes to include creating an inter-government agency fusion cell for hostage recovery naming a special State Department envoy

1:21:31 with foreign governments on hostage matters, and establishing an issue manager in the intelligence community to declassify information for family members. The president acknowledges the families are right to be skeptical but he is promising there will be accountability. Okay what bothers you? What bothers me is here we are trying to shrink government save money they add new positions The guys that were doing this same job, in other words coordinating interfacing let's say with the families shouldn't be the big douchebags they are and they should have just been given different walking orders or different orders. They should've gotten walking papers afterwards but we have a bunch of douche bags that irk the families and there's threatening to sue them all the rest and Obama says well I'm not going do that anymore either

1:22:21 Those guys are the guys that should have been doing the interview. You don't have to hire new people, what's the new people going to do? I just found the whole thing annoying unless there is something else that I missed which is what you're gonna tell me." I think so and it was really one word that made me dive into it but also this was a long speech at first I thought oh its just cover up any other news we dont want out there, bring some families in get some human interest stories thats typically how Here's this second piece I pulled from his announcement. And we're designating a new official in the intelligence community to be responsible for coordinating the collection, analysis and rapid dissemination of intelligence related to American hostages so that we can act on that intelligence quickly. You can probably guess what term caught my ear

1:23:27 No, what? Fusion cell. Oh yeah, fusion...yeah it's like what does that mean? Okay so we have fusion centers we know we've had these for a while this is the cyber sharing information where local communities your local law enforcement agencies even clergy everyone's bringing you know where companies will share their information with the government these are all though all the shares cyber sharing laws information-sharing laws under complete indemnification they're like what is this fusion cell what exactly is going on here And as you know, executive orders typically they relate to previous executive orders. So I've been reading through the executive orders...I do on Wednesday nights along with my medical journals and I see here we have something called the HRFC this will be the hostage recovery fusion cell so that is the official name HRFC

1:24:19 And there's a who will be in it, and you know so of course Department of State Treasury Defense Justice National Intelligence Central Intelligence Agency FBI and other agencies as the president or attorney general acting through the director of FBI may from time to time they designate. So this is an FBI operation This is not a Department of Homeland Security, although of course they fall under the umbrella. But this is an FBI fusion cell which is not the same as the Fusion Centers I believe the Fusion Centers are run by DHS so let me see what the What the guidance is of the HRFC, identify and recommend hostage recovery options. Coordinate efforts by participating agencies assess and track all hostage takings... Oh number four! Provide a forum for intelligence sharing and with the support of the Director of National Intelligence coordinate the declassification of relevant information but really I thought the intelligence sharing was the interesting word there

1:25:20 And I was just searching around for terms that I found in this executive order, and I come up or come across section 2.3 of one of my favorite executive orders, Executive Order 12333. This is the big one. This is the one that really... Robert Spano, MPH- This is the classic. Adam Chlipala This is the classic enabled by which president to put it? Was it Bush? Or was it...? Robert Spano It was Reagan wasn't he? He doesn't go back that far. Adam Chlipala I think you're right. I think 1981. Yeah so that's Reagan And in this, under section 2.3, collection of information agencies within the intelligence community are authorized to collect retain or disseminate information concerning United States persons only in accordance with the procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved by the Attorney General blah blah blah these procedures shall permit collection retention and dissemination of the following types of information and then under heading D

1:26:15 Information needed to protect the safety of any persons or organizations, including those who are targets victims or hostages of international terrorist organizations. This is now an uber spy center, this fusion cell. This HRFC because now we have an official entity already up and running before the executive... normally an executive order gives you six months or a year to get everything into place no it's already up-and-running this is going to be the central spying cell fusion cell of the FBI where they are allowed to collect information to protect the safety of any persons or organizations who may be targets

1:26:56 or hostages, or victims of international terrorist organizations. That can be you and I! We could be targets who are...you know who can't say that we're not a target? So i think this is right on the heels of the removal of section 215. We've opened up this new little secretive thing here in the background which will be under the auspices of oh let's help people get their family members back but it's really a big spying center That's cute. It's well executed I think yeah, well you know because they could just cut to the chasing find the hackers that took those OPM files And they would get most of information They're looking for which i'm now beginning to think the russians were behind that too but who knows all right? I like it we have to keep an eye on this yeah the fusion cell

1:27:48 So Obama got his fast track somehow. And there's an explanation for it on the NewsHour, and I want you to...you really do have to listen to this because there is a logical inconsistency about the report that She's very adamant the woman who comes on and discusses this she's a regular on the news hour she's like the Government correspondent. The news hours just knocking out of the park for us aren't they? Yeah, once in awhile they get hot and She analyzes this and what she says on the surface makes no sense but It's probably what happened And it makes you really wonder by day we play fast track then we'll talk about it

1:28:32 The Senate is expected to vote today to give President Obama a fast track. No, wait a minute that's the wrong one. That is... We'll play that because that is the Democracy Now! report on Fast Track which also is worth listening too. What is the other one so I can cue it up? I'm looking for it The Senate is expected to vote today to give President Obama fast-track trade negotiating authority, the speed up new trade deals including the TPP, the Trans Pacific Partnership. The secretive TPP deal involves 12 countries and nearly 40% of the global economy On Tuesday, the Senate voted 60-37 to end debate on the measure setting up today's final vote. President Obama has made the TPP one of his top priorities in his final term aligning himself with Republican leadership despite strong opposition to the deal from some of his traditional allies including labor unions environmentalists and consumer groups

1:29:30 In the end, 13 Democrats sided with Republicans to give Obama the fast-track authority. The 13 Democrats are Michael Bennett of Colorado, Maria Cantwell of Washington, Tom Carper and Chris Coons of Delaware, Dianne Feinstein of California, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Bill Nelson of Florida, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Patty Murray of Washington, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Warner of Virginia and Ron Wyden of Oregon. Five Republicans voted against the fast-track measure including two presidential candidates Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky So let's kill them all! I think that was a funny report because she names names Yeah that's new Which everyone should do yeah i like it Well here is the screwball one this clip is trade bill passed with weird conclusions

1:30:21 After weeks of negotiation, the Senate voted today to approve one of the president's top priorities. Permission to pave a speedy path toward an international trade deal. The fast-tracked Trade Promotion Authority would require the full text of any trade deal to be made public. It would give Congress up to 90 days to vote it up or down and it would ban Congress from amending the trade deal. It was a big turnaround on Capitol Hill in a big victory for the president political Political Director Lisa Desjardins joins me now to explain how it happened. This is literally the phoenix rising from the ashes. That's exactly right, what a turnaround from last week when all of this blew up in the House and now the Senate took it on and here's what happened Gwen – change in strategy. Last week those who supported this idea put together something Republicans like which was fast track trade authority with something Democrats like which was assistance for workers that lose their job.

1:31:16 Coupled those together. Well, Democrats realized there was a flaw there They voted against the one part that they were expected to vote for and the whole thing crumbled now Do-over and instead they vote people who support this including the president have taken those two issues separately And today's vote was on fast track authority only It had the votes last week. It had just a couple of votes less this week, but it has made final passage." And this time they linked it to something else that members wanted? That's right What they've done here is they've added to that second piece which they've separated —the worker assistance— They placed that inside a bill for an African trade deal That is very popular with guess who? The Black Caucus Democrats in the House They're not gonna vote against that We told we...we have that before democracy now Hold on a second

1:32:06 Here's the problem I'm having with this factually, sure this is exactly what happened. But when they voted against the fast track the first time when the assistance bill was attached to it it was thought that well with the assistance bill attached to it the Democrats are going to have to vote for fast track And the Democrats all voted no and then they said, well it's a shame that the assistance bill wasn't passed because we had to throw that away. We had to throw away the baby with the bathwater because we have to stop this fast track. So they separate the two And then they vote the fast track in, A which is what? Why would you vote it in when its not attached to anything and then they had to move the assistance bill to an African bill to get the black caucus all worked up so oh you gotta vote for now. In other words

1:32:58 Initially, the Democrats were voting against the assistance bill using the fast track as an excuse. They don't want to help the workers! This is bullcrap they lied Should I go over this again? No! I didn't know if i was going to play the pet peeve or not. I was in limbo It's not really a peeve, it's just...I was stunned and nobody has pointed this out that apparently when fast track was attached to assistance they voted no but once you remove the assistance which everyone says that's what we're for then it got voted in are you kidding me how could the laborer in this country vote democrat for anything

1:33:45 We're messed up. I'm just stunned by this! Hello? Yeah, I'm stunned. Oh no, I thought I lost you... Well, I was stunned by the entire country going apeshit over a flag This is where, yes I have a cup. My favorite clip, I want to just play this right off the bat which is the SC Hick on flag so we get it we get the right basis for this whole discussion And the Lord don't want that flag flying on our statehouse grounds It's time for the Senate and House to act and if they do not do it today The word will be that we'll be back

1:34:30 All right. Okay, that's there you go there That's the basis of the conversation Here is the CBS this morning rundown of the issue with the flag pressure is also mounting in the business community as chain stores and online retailers announced they're pulling Confederate items from shelves and websites Sears eBay Amazon and Kmart joined retail giant Walmart in halting all sales This was a massacre in church And the business community understands that. And I think as we enter the 21st century, businesses are more sensitive and socially conscious and I think that's what we've witnessed. This is cultural Marxism at its best. And I'd like to review you being our staff historian John, The Confederate, the Confederacy...the way it is-what is not being discussed which I think is just incorrect

1:35:23 The Confederacy, was this only about hating black people and having them as slaves? Was that the only thing the Confederacy was about? Was that the core of the Confederacy? What the South, what the Civil War is all about. It's only about slaves? If you run in... there is book by Kenneth Stamp who discusses what was going on during the era. No, it's not! It wasn't about... In fact it began as a states' rights thing which said we don't need to be pushed around technically by the federal government they were against the idea and South Carolina was the number one troublemaker there that started the Civil War by blowing up Fort Sumter

1:36:05 And once that began, then everyone said yeah we're not going to be pushed. We don't need to be told what to do it was still part of them because the 10th amendment was the basis for not being able to tell people what to do and this slave issue I'd say after we've reanalyzed it and reanalyze it historically over and over again was that the crux of the matter, and it triggered some of this. But there was a lot of different reasons that it began at the time. And you have to read the documents from the era and what people were worked up about. which comes out if you read Karl Marx's discussion of the Civil War, which I didn't realize... when I read it, I went oh jeez no one ever discusses this part. It said slave owners

1:36:50 had certain percentage of...if you had 100 slaves, you also picked up a couple extra votes. You could vote more. You didn't have more than one vote in the state itself and I don't know about federal elections but in the state elections- Right! And we've discussed this because if it was largely this slave owners- Yeah, you could count slaves as- Who saw there, saw this is a threat to their existence and they voted get this war going and of course they didn't fight it, they had the peons, that guy who you just heard there a minute ago moaning and groaning

1:37:26 fight the war and die. It's a very complex subject, and it was called the War Between the States and still referred to that mostly in the South but it was called that during the during the World War II. Well, it's very disappointing that no one brings this up well then again The South Carolina has a state flag. palmetto tree and a moon on it, this very funny flag. It's cute." But also... I don't know why they're running this flag anyway? It's always, I don't care. It's not my business. I don't live in South Carolina but the flag seems gratuitous and there has been a point of debate forever now. For a long time. Now it's taken out like wow what happened! What will this big win get us? I mean that only makes people madder at each other. It's only more divisive. That was divisive.

1:38:17 And now the joke of it is everyone's taking these items off, like somebody pointed out. I haven't looked it up. I haven't tried to find a KKK flag but those are still available Nazi memorabilia are still available on a lot of these sites that are taking away the Confederate flag and that's okay How about the Russian flag? We should get rid of that too The Russian flag has got to go in North Korea Yeah yeah This is the governor To declare a winner and loser here Of South Carolina We respect freedom of expression and for those who wish to show their respect for the flag on their private property, no one will stand in your way. But the Statehouse is different." So that's an important distinction you can fly it on your own private property but of course you'll be deemed a A-hole racist. Exactly! A whole racist... by the way both... sorry I said by the way

1:39:09 both Clinton and Bush, but the Clintons certainly. Ms. Hillary standing up there saying this flag's got to come down when they were running...when Bill was running in Arkansas they had you know they promoted the new flag of Arkansas which incorporated the rebel flag yeah and there was also a lot of campaign material which is floating around Twitter which is the Confederate flag with Clinton gore 92 yes And the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way. 15 years ago, after much contentious debate South Carolina came together in a bipartisan way to move the flag from atop the Capitol dome today we are here in a moment of unity and our state without ill will To say it's time to move the flag from the Capitol grounds. Free the slaves

1:40:07 The thing that bothers me is the removal of Jefferson Davis's bust. Ah, well let me get to that this is Don Lemon from CNN who... Of course he's the go-to guy all of a sudden the journalist becomes the source expert because he's black and he's gay I guess they double up because you know the South we hate black gays woo! We eat them for lunch we're crazy down here man and uh... and he's all in on this jefferson even the jefferson memorial made a good point in in pre interviews that we did she did with him and that is best jefferson owned slaves thomas jefferson owned third president of the united states and there is a monument to him in the capital city united states no one ever asked for that come down it isn't equal no i don't think its equal because jefferson was a figure

1:41:06 who was part of the entire United States, not just the South. And that doesn't mean that Jefferson was perfect or anyone is perfect and our history is perfect there may come a day where we may want to rethink Jefferson I don't know if we should do that but when we get to that point I'll be happy to partake in that particular discussion Oh yes community leader Don Lemon will help us get rid of the Jeffers... you know just take a sledgehammer to the Jefferson Memorial please This is crazy. And there were white slaves too, you can be- hey people if you want to go and get a history lesson, you know, go to Hollywood and watch 12 Years A Slave. There were white slaves! People put themselves into slavetitude

1:41:47 But now let's play Well, I just want to say everything. Everything will be now seen as some kind of symbol Everything go you can't oh you can't that was are important about the Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine racial overtones Sorry can have oreos get Oreos off the shelves You could start a website and make that a cause celeb, and you could probably get Oreos off the shelf. Although it might not be a bad idea because you would get a visit from Nabisco or whoever owns them now is always changing I will knock on the door with it with a check in hand

1:42:24 Mm-hmm. This is the way I thought some of these groups do this Oh check enhancing how much money do you want to get what they shut this website down play it again? Are just as addictive as cocaine right this isn't uncle Tom reference white on the inside black on the outside And this has got a stop if this is so this is solving nothing It's just making it worse and business like there's some big win oh Man, yeah III can't live in the shoes of a black man But here's the one that got me besides the Jefferson Davis statue or bust I think is in

1:43:03 of Virginia, which is where he's from. A flag removed in Alabama! This is the bandwagon when you have BAL-Alabama involved you know something's up. Meanwhile the governor of Alabama has joined the push to rid public spaces of Confederate symbols Republican Robert Bentley ordered several flags removed today from the state Capitol grounds He called them a distraction Distraction yes The whole thing is a distraction He's right about that The whole thing isn't one big distraction Man, you want to hear what democracy now had to say about it? About the Confederate flag. Yeah, here's just a confederate flag rundown DN. A new tally has confirmed white supremacists have killed four more... Oh wait stop stop stop!

1:42:24 Mm-hmm. This is the way I thought some of these groups do this Oh check enhancing how much money do you want to get what they shut this website down play it again? Are just as addictive as cocaine right this isn't uncle Tom reference white on the inside black on the outside And this has got a stop if this is so this is solving nothing It's just making it worse and business like there's some big win oh Man, yeah III can't live in the shoes of a black man But here's the one that got me besides the Jefferson Davis statue or bust I think is in

1:43:03 of Virginia, which is where he's from. A flag removed in Alabama! This is the bandwagon when you have BAL-Alabama involved you know something's up. Meanwhile the governor of Alabama has joined the push to rid public spaces of Confederate symbols Republican Robert Bentley ordered several flags removed today from the state Capitol grounds He called them a distraction Distraction yes The whole thing is a distraction He's right about that The whole thing isn't one big distraction Man, you want to hear what democracy now had to say about it? About the Confederate flag. Yeah, here's just a confederate flag rundown DN. A new tally has confirmed white supremacists have killed four more... Oh wait stop stop stop!

1:43:47 That was the, that was you playing the next story. Oh I'm sorry my mistake play rundown run down yes sorry protests against the flag have spread Mississippi House Speaker Philip Gunn has called for removing the Confederate emblem from the state flag while Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe took steps to remove it from vanity license plates Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has boosted calls to remove Confederate President Jefferson Davis's bust from the Kentucky State Capitol Capital. Companies including Walmart, Amazon, eBay, Sears and Etsy say they will ban Confederate flag products and Google said it would remove the flag from its shopping service and ads." Doesn't mean it's gone from the Internet altogether! And now there was all over...and so to bring the points home that we're trying to make Democracy Now!, this is the second one you tried to run. I got it. This is a follow-up story, the story that comes right after that

1:44:45 And this, to me, was the most gratuitous racist thing they could come up with. A new tally has confirmed white supremacists have killed far more people in the United States since 9-11 than Muslim extremists. The report by the research center New America finds since 9-11 white supremacist anti-government extremists and other non-Muslim figures have killed nearly twice as many people as Muslim extremists. Despite the intense focus by the Obama administration on Muslim communities, non-Muslims have carried out 19 attacks since September 11th 2001 while Muslims have been responsible for only seven." Oh okay that's I guess... Huge numbers! Huge numbers Hey Whitey you're a terrorist Damn Black on black murders in Oakland are higher than 19 Yeah

1:45:39 And meanwhile, forensics pretty I think conclusive have this conclusive evidence that the jacket that Dylan Stormroof was wearing Had patches photoshopped onto it. I looked like it to me well, I got a lot of different Links I put them all in the show notes you can looks Photoshopped What about that boy? He's got some picture where he sitting is like he's holding a flag over to the side That somehow caught on fire now And then he's gotta this almost the same shot with his stupid look on his face holding a Confederate flag this whole thing Looks extremely sketchy with this guy

1:46:19 And this Suboxone that he was apparently on, I got so many emails from people about this. Yeah? Heartbreaking some of them and i really love the you know our producers were sharing this let me just bring up a couple of them here in most cases our producers say it really saved my life quite honestly the suboxone and pretty much without fail all... What was their condition? Well look here I'll say let me get I'm just going to get the right one. So we...and some stories that were like, oh man this is more about the healthcare system than anything. Sorry, I'm failing on bringing this up quick. I have so many different stories here. One of our producers was hit by a car. The car was doing 45 miles an hour and you know he was put on all kinds of opiates and then they...I'm sorry I can't find it.

1:47:21 I'll put the email into the show notes somewhere, I have this. And then eventually they have to be weaned off of the opiates and that's when you get Suboxone because Suboxone has two parts it has one part opioid and one part Narcan which really takes away all...this is what they use to revive people who've OD'd on heroin or pharmaceutical opioids And it's really great until your insurance says, yeah no we're not going to pay for that anymore. I mean one of our producers man he was like...he almost died you know because you get these withdrawal symptoms so there are two things that i conclude from what people are saying about Suboxone A.) It has really helped a lot of people uh to wean them off if their insurance company will continue to pay for it which i think is a good thing but the second part

1:48:13 If you stop taking it or if you mix it with more opioids, that's when really crazy stuff can happen. Now, if you are on Suboxone and you don't continue the withdrawal symptoms kick in and then just add one little element to that...and even without adding an element, you could make someone go really nuts! So, none of this discussed of course because the most... you know the big advertisers. Big pharma and big advertisers. Yeah and big insurance. Very big which really runs everything. Oh speaking of which I have this here hmmm This is Representative Ross Cam

1:48:58 I just love the way the insurance companies have inserted themselves in between the patient and doctor. There's always, oh the government is going to be saying this. But it has been in the insurance companies which are the biggest supporters of Obama by the way were the insurance companies. Which are banks which is just money? It's a bank because of the way that banks work. The banks! It's Buffett, Warren Buffett. Glass-Steagall was released... No don't worry about it we need the banks can do whatever they want. The banks took over the insurance companies and insurance companies are part of a bank generally

1:49:35 Warren Buffett is a huge investments in insurance, reinsurance insuring the insurance companies. And here is Representative Roskam and he has a list of all of the requests from different states for increases in premiums in 2016 when the Affordable Care Act really goes into full swing. For the first time since the ACA became law Insurers are able to look at a full year's worth of data claims to calculate premium prices for the year ahead. So this is very important, they are allowed to recalculate their prices they have to submit the request for an increase which of course they will receive but it's based on real data so now they know what it's really going to cost in 2016 not based on any estimates not based on 2 000 pages of documentation that was made up and just you know if I recall

1:50:32 everything was going to go down, right? Everything is going down because of the Affordable Care Act as a price. Everything's going down it's gonna save people money That's an important distinction so we've got real data to talk about The proposed premium hikes tell us a lot about how much health care costs last year and what insurers calculate health care costs are going to be next year. And on June 1, CMS made public proposed premium hikes of 10% or more for the 2016 plan year and many of the proposed increases are eye-poppingly huge." It's already strange that you would expect decreases based on promises made but apparently we're getting increases

1:51:14 In the year, the president will no longer be the president. In Missouri, Coventry Health has requested an increase of over 22%. In North Carolina Blue Cross Blue Shield has asked for an increase of over 25% in Tennessee. Blue Cross Blue Shield has asked for over 36 percent and South Dakota one of the largest insurers Wellmark has asked for premium hikes between 24 and 51 percent

1:51:50 It's noteworthy that in many states the largest insurers are also the ones proposing the biggest increases, which is especially troubling if you think about it because they've got the most data and are likely the most accurate. We could go on, but there are a number of these prices have real consequences in the lives of real people. In other words this isn't just about insurance commissioners and scholars this is about what people are actually paying and they're paying this in the context of a false narrative And the false narrative in my opinion was This is going to be great your costs are gonna come down and you're gonna love it No Up to 52%

1:52:29 Now, why are they going up so much? I'll tell you. Because they can! It's because the pharmaceutical guys can. They can take a pill that somebody would be getting and on their insurance bill they're paying five bucks for a month but the pill was $1 a pill it was very expensive pill at a buck. A dollar a pill is like expensive cause these pills probably cost two cents to make once the chemical is discovered So it's a dollar a pill and so they, which in a month say you have to take it two times today. So the 60 pills for $60 but because you got insurance is only five dollars just of copay everything's co-pay or you don't pay for this. So you don't even notice this Oh! The insurance company now decides to make the pill 10 bucks why? Because it's ten bucks It's just don't ask questions we own the pill We owned the generic company that makes the generic version of the pill Shut up slave

1:53:23 $10. So now it's six hundred dollars a month of cost, but you still pay five You still pay five the insurance company picks up the rest with a wink-wink nudge nudge and whoa Look how much it's costing their rates over there all this in medical systems costing a fortune six hundred dollars a month We're dropping five hundred ninety-five dollars on this one person we have to jack his prices up I've ever seen in my life Yeah And that's exactly where...I don't care who anybody out there who has some chronic ailment of any sort, take a look at what you paid per pill. Not what your co-pay is your five bucks or whatever the bull crap is. Take a look at it because on your receipt you'll get from the pharmacist that tells you here is what you paid and here is what the cost of the pill is and you see there's a difference. Oh! You've saved so much money. Well no, you haven't saved anything

1:54:18 you just, your insurance company will pick this up. And here's another pretty...here's a prediction for people out there who are on social security. Social security the problem with social security which is you know it's something and is that to get this I think its plan B or C there says the donut hole you take out a secondary you take out real insurance for the drugs And the drug company or one of...or the drug insurance company like Humana, there's a bunch of them. They take a certain amount out of your Social Security to pay for the premium. Right now it could be any...it's a modest amount of money but they could jack it up so you get no Social Security. This whole thing may be designed to scam the Social Security system so they take all of your Social Security. I like it!

1:55:08 And I don't see any reason why that's not the plan. I like it, it's kind of the Greek model! Just take away everything from the citizens leave them with nothing but the Kardashians on cable. Talking about the Greeks... Yeah we got an email from the ex-banker from New York who rescinded his initial prognostication about the Grexit And he said, oh I didn't expect them to tap in to steal the pension funds. He says okay well i guess it's not going to happen and he said in the email he said they're gonna kick the can down the road which is what you said so i give you 100% props

1:54:18 you just, your insurance company will pick this up. And here's another pretty...here's a prediction for people out there who are on social security. Social security the problem with social security which is you know it's something and is that to get this I think its plan B or C there says the donut hole you take out a secondary you take out real insurance for the drugs And the drug company or one of...or the drug insurance company like Humana, there's a bunch of them. They take a certain amount out of your Social Security to pay for the premium. Right now it could be any...it's a modest amount of money but they could jack it up so you get no Social Security. This whole thing may be designed to scam the Social Security system so they take all of your Social Security. I like it!

1:55:08 And I don't see any reason why that's not the plan. I like it, it's kind of the Greek model! Just take away everything from the citizens leave them with nothing but the Kardashians on cable. Talking about the Greeks... Yeah we got an email from the ex-banker from New York who rescinded his initial prognostication about the Grexit And he said, oh I didn't expect them to tap in to steal the pension funds. He says okay well i guess it's not going to happen and he said in the email he said they're gonna kick the can down the road which is what you said so i give you 100% props

1:55:50 Thank you. I'll play a little clip. A final proposal by Greece's international creditors is being put to Eurozone finance ministers with time fast running out to reach agreement and avert a debt default ahead of an EU summit in Brussels, Athens missed the mid morning deadline to propose a workable reform plan as talks resumed after breaking up in failure last night. We are optimistic until the last second that there will be a conclusion. I want to honor here the role of the President of the European Commission who is in the best sense, an honest broker. The interest of the Greek people and of the member states as a whole and the interests of the communitarian institutions

1:56:33 Greece's lenders set the deadline to unlock new funding and averted default next Tuesday They're said to be exasperation over Athens refusal to compromise on some matters So kicking it down. Yes Well, so with Larry Summers was on the Charlie Roche and Larry Summers was he of the Department of Secretary of Treasury for years under Bush I see the guy who keeps falling asleep in meetings I don't know that he does, but we never liked him. He was one of those guys we didn't like because he was lousy and it wasn't the stutterer guy or the ball guy, this cueball guy. But he had certain things to say and probably better than the other guy who sounded like a beaver on Leave It To Beaver show. Wallis? Summers is actually another one...used to head Goldman and all the rest. Oh, of course. He's actually interesting when he discusses things like Greece

1:57:29 So I have two clips. Summers on Greece won a debt position and he's talking about how this thing probably won't collapse, and he gives some reasons why but he throws a little tidbit in here that just got me. Greeks have to be prepared to accept that level of adjustment with perhaps a bit of extra margin They don't have to pay interest. They don't have to pay most of their interest, they don't have to pay any principal but they have to be in a position where they're paying a little bit of principal. They have to take steps necessary to spur growth by making their economy more flexible, by making more of it in the private sector

1:58:12 Europe needs, the remainder of Europe needs to recognize that Greece is not in any remotely plausible scenario going to be able to pay back all that it is owed and needs to create an environment in which Greece has a chance to succeed by being prepared to provide further financial support and by being prepared to relieve debts. Europe needs to recognize that while hundreds of billions of dollars have been poured into Greece, most of that money has flowed right back out of Greece to pay European banks back

1:58:56 who made imprudent loans. And so given that, they need to make sure the Greeks' debt position can get to a sustainable place." Hold on a second... this was American money? No it was European money. Oh okay. But the point is that he says just casually most of the money thrown at the Greeks to get their act together went right back out and repaid the banks! It's like you've borrowed $5,000 from a loan shark and you pay back but the interest is so damn high. You can't keep up with it somebody else gives you 5,000 bucks should get to five thousand back to the loan sharks when he still owed ten yeah guys have been put in a bind on purpose and everyone's all over them when in fact they probably you know they're getting screwed

1:59:46 Now, they're in a situation of course and of course he says that they don't...they're never gonna pay it back. And they shouldn't really be required to, they just have to pay something but the question Charlie then brings up is what if they just do the default thing that everyone's gonna say that the bank are predicting all this other stuff and people are predicting this and its... It's not happening is what happened. It's not gonna happen, but here's an interesting thing Summers kind of concluded about if that even...if they even thought about it? You point out in your piece that sometimes you don't see the consequences when you're making the decisions. Lehman Brothers for example didn't see the consequences of not rescuing Lehman Brothers long-term capital bank was it and was at the official title LTCM, Long Term Capital Management hedge fund

2:00:33 didn't see the consequences. Some did, some many thought you know small hedge fund how big a deal could it be and it turned out to be very big deal so my point is this one of those circumstances where they'd better recognize what the consequences are of Greece leaving the eurozone because if not you've got a failed state. Jerry I could go The way I would put it is this, uh...I could go wandering around with my eyes closed on Lexington Avenue. Yes? And most likely the cars would see me and stop and it would be okay but it probably wouldn't be a good experiment to run

2:01:16 And in the same way, my best guess is that if Greece leaves it will be a catastrophe for Greece. It will be a serious security event. My best guess is won't be a grand financial disaster. I agree There's a chance that I'm wrong, just like the people were wrong about Lehman. And just like the people were wrong about LTCM and just like people were wrong in thinking subprime was a well-contained small problem. And so there are some experiments you just don't want to run. The risk is too great. The risk is too great and I think that would be for me the controlling reality now look of course Okay

2:02:03 You know it sounds to me like this is a great game to play as you pointed out. If you just keep shoveling money in and get the loan sharks in, everyone's just make double their money! And you use the word game and horror was pointed on the last DH Unplugged that finance head that screwball guy that was from... The Texan The Texan guy that's really Greek, his whole...he has a PhD. His real emphasis is on game theory. Yes I remember we played clips of him about this. Yes he's a game theorist so whatever he does is right and I think Summer said it they're not gonna do any of this they're not gonna default and they're not gonna follow the eurozone It's just going to float around its gonna be kicked down the road forever

2:02:51 Yeah, and everyone just keeps collecting lots of money. Yeah! Nice. Scam! It's like the people being scammed somehow... That's sad. Can't get out of it Well also now tensions are running a little high in Europe but you know we still have uh yeah the Dutch like hey man we want our money back and we gave you Greeks' money you lazy ass Greeks They still give us their bikes back Well yeah there's that So the Queen visited Germany, the Queen of England. Yeah, she had some baubles on boy I tell ya! She had so many baubles that wouldn't even fit around her neck there was a brooch over the baubles it was just a bauble heaven and her tiara and she said you know we got to be careful we've got a little bit of unrest here in Europe as we know from history

2:03:38 You know, usually the Germans attack the French and then we get another war on our hands. Dining with some of the most powerful politicians at the European Union Queen Elizabeth II was a guest at a state banquet at the official residence of Germany's president Joachim Gauck Why do logical people still put up with this charade? This horns, she's got her baubles on and a tiara. What? Does anyone see the farce of this? Oh it is just ceremonial No it's not! As part of a four day visit In his speech the president said that constructive dialogue about reforms which some UK politicians are aiming for Is essential And added Germany will support the dialogue It was made in the presence of Prime Minister David Cameron Who was leading the campaign for EU reform and German Chancellor Angela Merkel

2:04:25 The Queen, who as UK head of state stays politically neutral stressed the need for unity. In our lives Mr President we have seen the worst but also the best of our continent What was the best part lady? We witnessed how quickly things can change Miniature land What's that? Miniature land Miniature land yeah okay... We have witnessed how quickly things can change for the better But we know that we must work hard to maintain the benefits of the post-war world. We know that division in Europe is dangerous and that we must guard against it in the West as well as in the East." Them's fighting words, far as I can tell! You know? We've got unrest...

2:05:16 Well, I don't know what she's talking about. Unrest? Well we're angry at the Greeks, the Germans are angry at the French, the French are angry... Everyone was pissed about the Waterloo celebration! We didn't even talk about that The Belgians... I didn't even know about it. Yeah, well it was 200 years after Waterloo and which I think didn't turn out very well for the French No no Napoleon lost it that was just a battle of Waterloo So the Belgian's they minted a euro coin And a beat with Wellington you know that? Bingo boom shakalaka They minted a eurocoin commemorating Waterloo and the French were all bent out of shape over

2:05:56 Who did the coin to Brits? The Belgians. Of course, the Belgians used Europe. Yeah exactly. The Belgians why just to give the needle to France yeah I think so. It's time for kale news Now, I have not seen the series yet. But Orange is the New Black is back on Netflix which I barely could watch the second season but no we'll see and there's a nice little ditty in here. Gonna do a chick thing? It's total chick thing well I like the realistic lesbian sex and stuff that's kind of nice yeah plenty of that in Oakland but these hey now

2:06:38 But these women are incarcerated, of course. And the one thing they haven't kept up on is when you're in jail is the incredible popularity surge of kale. But here's how it plays out in Orange Is The New Black season three. You should plant some kale I hear has become very popular The stuff that stays all day on a deli platter? That's a garnish, not something to eat. It's supposed to be loaded with vitamins. There you go! That's a garnish I didn't hear that... yeah i got that clip too. I think they're gonna...I think it's something about they're going to reject kale and bring in well they don't know what they're gonna bring but they're gonna reject it because the message is subtle subconscious messages oh prisoners are so stupid

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2:20:04 And you'll hear the president say something about that. And it took forever, but do think that if you start to heckle the President in The White House That someone's gonna throw a bag over your head within seven or eight seconds. Right, slap ya within five seconds Yeah, well maybe like taze the guy You know, come on man! Come on, come on This is crazy Now the way it was shown on mainstream news and the way it was categorized Was very different than reality and of course we are the guardians of reality here The No Agenda Show. So here is CBS, there's two pieces cut together one is the tease which well listen to the tease President Obama smacks down an unruly guest at the White House that's next Whoa he smack him down! Smack her smack

2:20:50 Smackdown! So let us listen to the report from CBS about how our president smacked down this unruly protester. Today President Obama hosted a reception to observe LGBT Pride Month but he was interrupted by heckler demanding an end to deportations here's how the president handled it. Listen, you're in my house. It's the people's house, Mr. President." If you're eating the hors d'oeuvres... You know what I'm saying? Know what I'm saying? And drinking the booze! I know that's right!" The heckler was laid out or was led out and did not get one for the road. Yeah no, that's not exactly how it went down CBS, Mr. Paley So there is the president saying when you are in my house That's offensive Or should i not take offense to that

2:21:54 Oh, I don't know. You know it's like... It's borderline. Borderline. Now you want to hear the whole thing what really happened and how the president freaked out and had no control over the situation completely opposite of what you just heard CBS say? Wait a minute! You're telling me that CBS made it sound like he was in total control and he wasn't?! Smacked him down! Smacked him down! Smackdown! Huh! Thank God for C-SPAN where we can record everything. I wanna thank all of ya And I want to mention that, you know when you're in the White House and you're watching the president there's no need for everyone to be recording him on your cell phone.

2:22:35 It's ridiculous. When you see the video, everyone is holding their cell phones and recording them. C-SPAN! cspan.org You can get this anywhere you want What are you going to do with it? What happens to this video footage? Here is what I would recommend Yeah the videos are dumb For one thing they lose...I've got millions of them They very rarely look at them Take a photo Nice one shot and your good But if you want to get the video thing, like you said, you can go to the C-SPAN archives and get the archive of the event. Find a C-SPAN camera is very... it's pro cameras bigger and go over there and mug.

2:23:11 Mug the cameraman? Oh, mug the camera! Hey how you doing. Do that thing and do a maybe you know do a victory sign or something and then make a copy of that from the C-SPAN library and that's what you show your friends Yeah yeah that's cool then you were actually there That was pretty cool That's a good idea Another chip another tip from No Agenda Show Alright here comes this heckler who was He was, you can't hear him in this but you'll hear the president. He was heckling about LGBT immigrants who are being deported and I guess that's an issue that hasn't well it's an issue that's not to be discussed certainly not in his house. Advocates organizers friends families for being here today

2:23:58 Now that was a great sequence. Let's listen to that again! No, no, no. Hey! Listen to that again. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hey, hey, hey, hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

2:25:01 So you think that he have the upper hand now, right? He has the crowd going. Yeah and CBS didn't play that cheer. And then the guy should shut up now. You can't believe what CBS did! Oh we're not even done John! It's not respectful when you get invited to somebody You're not, you're not gonna get a good response from me. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

2:26:03 Let it play, because you're interrupting it. No no no no no no shame on ya! Shame on ya? Oh god oh god! Can we escort this person out? Escort him out?! Come on come on You can either stay and be quiet or we'll have to take you out. Wait a minute! We're gonna take you out? I have two words for ya, predator drunk. That's right, we're gonna take you out. Alright, can we have this person removed please? Tazen! Come on... come on

2:26:52 What is going on at the White House? And what is the guy doing that he's got... He just yelling and no one stopping him for anything. The president is gonna do the worst thing ever as a performer. No, come on guys! When the president says come on guys Is that not when Kevin Costner dives on top of him or something? Isn't it time now this guy has been silenced?

2:27:29 I'm just gonna wait until we get this done. I'm just gonna wait, until we get it done. Hit play! Okay where was i? So as a general rule I am just fine with a few hecklers but not when im up in the house. You know what I mean because you know my attitude is if your eating the hors d'oeuvres

2:28:21 You know what I'm saying? So CBS conveniently cut out three minutes. It's unbelievable! Yeah, you get the clip of the day for that Even though he interrupted it and you were really pissed about it? He did interrupt too much because it was good as any interrupted a second round of no-no-no-no which was like what is wrong with him here? No-no-no-no I don't understand how that works at the White House.

2:29:13 that this guy can go on for three minutes and... The other question, of course here's what is going to happen. There gonna be a meeting with all these losers at work there and they're gonna find out who invited this guy it's gonna be the first question Who invited this guy? Yeah And were they fired? No! They'll scold them Well don't invite him again But it's not just that It's the Secret Service I can't believe it Where is the Secret Service?! They are not on us We're telling you You are right There something up Very strange very very strange Yeah, well you're right about CBS 2. That was unconscionable what CBS did! That is editing the news to make it seem like something there wasn't. It wasn't a beat down or smackdown. Oh. It was laughable! Well that's the reason our show is so good. Who else has played that clip? Anybody out there listening to The No Agenda Show? Nobody. Have you heard of anyone? No one even has... Pipercy Now?

2:30:12 They can't do that. They don't have the time in their hour to fit in the underwriters." Oh man, I was listening to NPR a day or two ago on the car and I tried to find it but couldn't. This whole segment about people need to sign up for the Affordable Care Act and you get through the exchanges... It must've been three minute piece! And then it was brought to me by Athena Health Group or Underwritten. Are you kidding me? The NewsHour uses Kaiser. They bring the Kaiser people, the Kaiser spokesperson comes out and tells you what's going on.

2:30:51 Here's another, here's a little offbeat one before we get to the end here. But I want to play this because this caught my attention too. This you know Sarnoff came out and he made just big apology and everyone was shocked by it! Oh this is Sarnoff? The Boston bomber who now has received a death sentence Yeah but he's dead... He's a dead man walking Even though the Bostonians are like oh we're against the death penalty well guess we'll change our mind for this guy You know, that's your liberals. Now let's play this clip is the oddity clip and it's like way What is this? Okay I got a thing there but I think I figure out what's going on here Did that statement from Sarnai of the apology did come as a surprise It did Gwen came as a surprise to everybody we had heard early this morning That there was a possibility it might happen But it wasn't until his defense attorney Judy Clark got up around

2:31:45 on like he was reading it. It was hard to tell, he was looking down and it's very awkwardly phrased but he said in case there is any lingering doubt that it was me and my brother who did this we are guilty so a lot of it was kind of poorly constructed but... Alright here it is Any doubt? He looks like he was reading it, poorly constructed wasn't expected to do this it was just me and my brother nobody else

2:32:27 Our theory, which I still see no holes in... This was one of those FBI schemes that went awry. And for some reason he had to go in there and reiterate There was no involvement on anybody but the two of us. And I have to assume- Yeah why would even say that? Why would he say that? What is the point? It's pointless! He already found guilty and it's done So it was pointless. It was something else. Some bureaucratic reason. Some sort of cover up And I have to assume that somebody went, this would be my guess if i was writing a story about it. Writing of fiction It would be a guy comes and says look you didn't really make it clear that it was just you an your brother because people are going to conspiracy nuts is gonna come out of the woodwork Can you read this?

2:33:13 And you're, by the way, you know. Yeah I know you've been found guilty and they're going to kill you but we have the out, we got the appeal that thing that's gonna keep you from death row and then get you out because you were poorly represented by a lawyer who did nothing in your defense at all zero. So to keep this thing in play, to keep the game going, you have to read this." Or you're gonna end up like your buddy down in Florida. Right, but did he not receive now a conviction with the death sentence? Yeah! But there's gonna be suits of... You watch it. It'll take forever yeah he'll never die He will die of old age. He will die of old age if he dies of anything. Yeah good catch Good catch I mean that's all the only thing i can think because it was out-of-the blue it was crazy and even the woman who is reporting on thought it was fishy

2:34:06 Yeah, we have reading it. Do you ever link to that to the full text of his no I don't a man Okay, it's around now We have to find less than 10 minutes ago all right in me Time to wind down John There was a moment there was a huge moment in podcast history Uh-oh. Yes, huge moment! Yeah I was hoping we didn't find it worth discussing. Did you listen to that podcast? I listened to the whole thing and thought it was incredibly boring content free and really set up just for one thing in one thing only Let's jump right into this Obama thing okay so he was on the Mark Maron Podcast You know he came out and used the M word. Gail let me ask as a journalist do you think its okay for the President of The United States

2:34:56 use the word just like that. I think you have to put it in context Larry there's a difference between saying it and using it and he was saying it right he was saying so when you look at the context in which she was using it and how we were choosing I admit it was a little jarring when you hear what did he say? but when you put it in context of how it was used, I get it I wasn't offended all by it. I thought she said he was saying not using now she says she is using you'd love that. He's saying it, not using it when he used it when he was saying he wasn't using it but even when he used it yeah what is this? What is this gobbledygook bullcrap! That's Gail man she's stirring mac and cheese out of control stirring mac and cheese so here is the actual segment from the president on the WTF the Mark Maron podcast racism we are not cured up clearly and and and it's not just a matter

2:35:48 It not being polite to say nigger in public. That's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not it's not just a matter of overt discrimination we have Societies don't overnight completely erase everything that happened two to three hundred years prior I think But I think that was the only reason he was there, to say that Well, I could get away with it on the podcast. And you heard the thing? Did you listen to it? No. I only heard this snippet and saw that was key to it and I heard his reaction saying it and that was that!

2:36:32 And Mark Maron says something about, oh I can't believe that you know that I would grow up and then one day I'd have the president of United States in my garage on a podcast. And the President says something to the effect of hey or denigrating like kind of like Oh it's just a podcast. You know he said something really shitty. I'll pull the clip for Sunday. It was like yeah it was just a podcast. Well you don't have to be worried about that minute its just a podcast Like, you know, F-you. That's not right! No... I'm sorry I didn't clip it now. It was mean. Just mean and what is he doing there then if it so crappy? Yeah. And just I am sure Mark Maron couldn't do anything but what he was told to do Oh yeah But he didn't ask any questions Really Not really It was disappointing There just a.. It was cool to hear the president say Hey man hey man its great to be here man You know because now the podcast can say Man it all hip The kids are doing Hey man

2:37:31 Did you tweet about the podcast, man? I got the POTUS Twitter handle now. Man, just like that. Potus. All right, Johnny Boyer take us home. I think I'm...I've got uh.. I don't want to talk about Brian Williams that was kind of dumb and no no oh yeah okay we'll take it home with this is good stuff this is the UN uh, sex abuser. Uh one this is the so this is the sex abuser you I got two clips sex abuser pun that's your version of one well no and this is a pun it's an actual pun okay play yeah united nations peacekeepers in the central african republic have been accused of sexually abusing street children in the capital bangi

2:38:27 You know what? I usually don't do it on these short ones, but I'd like you to accept Clip of the Day for that. OK. Well— I think you should take that. That was really cool. All right, now we go to the second one which actually has a punchline. Which is more about the U.N.'s sex abuse. The news comes after an internal UN report surfaced in April detailing the alleged sexual abuse of children by French and African troops in the Central African Republic. The report was leaked to French prosecutors by a U.N. whistleblower who was suspended making him the only person so far to be punished over the sexual abuse allegations. Yes! The whistleblower gets thrown into slammer

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