The Sluggish Cloud

00:00 Dad, do I have to? Oh dad! Do I have to?! Adam Curry. John C. DeVorah It's Sunday June 8th 2014 time for your Gidmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 624 This is no agenda Calling CQ to actual ships at sea and coming to you from FEMA Region 6 here in the capital of the drone star state. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where there is no ship at sea around these parts, I am John C. DeVore. It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! Yeah actually there are ships around your parts at sea

00:36 This is warship weekend. No, yes worship weekend boy Hold on a second let me look out the window It's there couple there I know there are ice. I'm looking at the bay There's nothing out here this is the weekend when amateur radio professionals which is of course contradiction in terms totally Call CQ and of course illegal to be a professional if you're an amateur yeah So all of the warships have tuned their radios to the amateur radio frequencies and everyone's trying to get in contact with them. I spoke to the USS Orlik! The Orlik? Yes! The Orlik?! Orlik, I didn't know it existed but I spoke with it What kind of a ship is it? It's... well you can Google it. It's a pretty big one. Big ol' ship. I think its orlik dot org actually

01:33 O-R-L-E-C-K. It's a... I don't know, it's like a... Naval it's a museum obviously a destroyer World War two-era Destroyer. Wow, it's a clunker Yeah, I was trying to get the submarine During class destroyer destroyer that she's I can't even say anything today. We're still waking up It was a gearing class destroyer in service with the United States Navy from 1945 to 1982 and in 1982 she was sold to Turkey as I didn't know that. It's a Turkish ship you're talking to! Really? Yeah, I think they may be subversive. I didn't know that So this clunker from 1982 You know taken out of commission in 82 and it's a funky looking thing is Is uh is turkish as the Turkish Navy But does it fly under turkish flag well was sold to turkey maybe Do they know they own it do they know that his old it's a clunker

02:38 Hey, Erdogan! Love that new ship!" It was transferred to... transferred yes... they changed the name. To the Southeast Texas War Memorial and Heritage Foundation at Orange Texas where she was birthed as a museum ship It's been moved to Lake Charles, or it is going to be moved to Lake Charles Louisiana. I think it was in Louisiana. That's where they moved it. Well I'm not getting this Turkish connection! After her final decommissioning the Turkish government transferred it to South

03:19 Maybe it's just a spy ship. I don't know what... Anyway, so there's hams on board of all of these ships even like the old Marconi steamship and you know decommissioned submarines and if you do a QSO with 15 of them you get a badge I got two You've got two badges you know no, I got you. I didn't get to badges and I need to get to 13 more Team it's never gonna happen. He's like if yeah, I'm prepping all there If you set the rest of the day after this show It's impossible horn No, no, no you see you have water called pileups because in so the guy will be there like hey This is the USS or lack and I think his call was ww2

04:04 LST or something like that and then you say QRZ so he's listening, and there's like Eight million guys all at the same time with you know big kilowatt amplifiers And not a beam antenna yeah. Yeah, this is you can't compete with that no I'm a qrp here. I'm uh I like the low power stuff Yeah What are you laughing at? It's your fault, Dvorak. You got me started on this! I got too many people started on it... Yeah well we just need to- That's good! We've got a lot of young people that are finally getting involved But yeah, you're right there's these guys out there that have really nothing else to do and they just load up with this high powered gear And it doesn't help everybody They call them big guns That's what they call them The Big Guns Which basically means you had $5,000 to drop on crap

04:56 Including a tower in your yard. Big antenna amps and antennas, but I like just my little wire you know It's cool when... That is so quaint! Yeah no I talked to Finland the other day into France Well that stinks you can't get a badge because of these guys. It kind of takes away, it's kinda the joy is like hey man how are you doing what's that sub like? But you got no time for that and be like alright I gotta move on I got 15 other guys calling who cares if I want to talk for a second. That stinks. Contesting

05:36 Anyway, so I could only do like half an hour yesterday that I spent on it and a little bit late last night. And then I was like, I got no time for this! There's stuff going on in the world but I've got stuff to look at Yeah, like my one of my favorite stories is the secret service one software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah This seemed like a bullcrap story to me It did didn't it but it but I don't believe this true Well, I looked at the it was an RFI or an RFP. I think RFP yeah, it looked legit and

06:14 Okay, well and I think that goes along with the story. How dumb is that? It goes it goes along with a story i've been saving That you actually responded to very negatively when someone mentioned it to you on twitter. Think maybe because you didn't believe it um The headline is, cynics face far higher risk of Alzheimer's. Oh yeah right. Bull crap! There you go I don't remember reading that. Don't remember saying bullcrap even Just now Researchers asked 1,449 people with an average age of 71 take note John to take two tests

06:57 Well, see if we can take you're not 71 but maybe you can take the test. Hold on. Okay. Let's see if I have a test This is dr Simon Ridley from Alzheimer's research UK said there are likely to be many risk factors for dementia and this study suggests that a person's outlook may also Have a role to play However, only a small number of the volunteer study developed dementia. Oh man see the... It's already bad stuff! Yeah but I mean they might as well say 13 reasons why cynics face far higher risk of Alzheimer's That's what we need yeah Why do people love LIS so much? What is it with that? What is the human... I think it's the completion factor

07:40 You mean like doing three dots after a sentence? No, no. There's a... when you do direct marketers know this trick they It's called the completion factor and people play into it. It's uh..you sell miniature cars let's say by mail order Just to name something you're not collecting by any chance right Actually, I'm not. Are you sure? Come on! For an artwork I'm working on... Anyway so you collect these or rings or coins yeah go ahead try and gloss over it So you buy one You know what I've always wanted a replica of a 47 Ford pickup truck And so you buy it says cheap they're giving them away there's like $1.50 in it course you can subscribe and get more for five bucks apiece every month

08:29 So you buy the one truck for the steel price of a buck fifty, but it's a mail order game anyway. Oh this is like the cancel anytime you want get this free gift? Pretty much but this is a little different because we're talking about the completion factor So you get the one little cheap truck for a buck 50 and you can cancel if you want to or not. Wait, wait but this is what I as a kid it was like a model kit of a model airplane or something? Yeah that's one of the factors but that's not what I'm talking about yes you do that and then they can put on your subscription more and more yeah that's not it But the kicker is what they do with the completion factor element is they send you the free or the cheap little truck

09:07 And then they send you a rack that holds 20 of them. You have your one truck in the rack, and it doesn't look good. You have the sense of human obligation to fill up this space They do it with coin collectors. You get the, you know if my daughter had it happen to her she started collecting the new fancier quarters with all the little states on the back and she bought one of those little binders that holds up coins from the Franklin Mint. She was nuts about filling it up! She had to fill it up! Okay so how does that compare? How does that apply to the listicles List I think, I think there's the same element at play. You have if there's 13 things that you will now have access to knowledge of you feel the obligation to read through the list until it's done until your number thirteen. I believe it is the same function

10:02 Now, the ones that always crack me up is this 13-9. You always have to have a different kind of a screwy number. It's all sales and so they have all these different you know 13-this 9-that 5 best and all the rest The ones that always cracked me up is when I think it was glamour or Mademoiselle or were one of these some of these women's magazines came out with these 595 ways to satisfy your man 613 new ideas to look better. Well, let me what was a put? I don't understand what I never did get that mechanism I don't know what they were doing should we not try to apply this to our newsletter and

10:41 We could, I could go with the 600. No no don't do 600 but let's just do 15 reasons donating will change your life...your sex life! That would probably have a high open rate. Let me tell you about open rates. People that listen to the show they know we expose these things so we had a huge open rate on one of the newsletters recently Because the research, I've done this before. It's kind of a cheap trick but i do it because open rates are just you know... Oh wait a minute! I know exactly which one had the high open rate yeah the one with subject line hey yes that's amazing because I saw that and and and I was like oh shit John wants to say something like and and I thought this is gonna be bad or like you know usually something like that would come in from you would be like hey don't ever do that again

11:34 That's never. Or I've noticed this, oh it was the newsletter! You got me. And he says, you know I couldn't. I just had to open it and there was nothing that could do. It turns out that's been researched. That came from research. That is the number one... For people out there who want to send out some newsletters or something like that but you can't do it every once in a while. Of course not! You can of course not. But I've done it twice about six months ago but you could do it every so often

12:11 And it does have a high rate of return. People open the news, most of them do say I doesn't sound like anything i'm interested in and they can open But the only other time I receive an email with subject line hey is usually followed by I am sexy girl from India I notice you are in my neighborhood. Let us hook up." Surely, you've seen this one? Yeah, well now it's after... yeah some like- It's always like, you're in my neighborhood. The funny thing is when I see hey as the subject line, I tend to pop it open too just- Of course! Well, the big thing that happened this week which is astounding to me because I actually sat down and tracked this and looked at the response from not just people on the tweeters but also our own audience. And you can always follow me on Twitter! The media... But everyone was so happy and gleeful

13:14 to let us all know that the CIA had joined Twitter. Oh yeah! While the actual news story, that the CIA has now requested to the second U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that less information or more redaction be put in place on their legal justification for droning American citizens... No one talked about that And I'm thinking these guys are brilliant. You know, get out there with your stupid ass tweet and whoa! Ho ho! I'm gonna say something funny to the CIA ha ha ha even wiki leaks we can't wait to report on your undisclosed theft at CIA but the real news is they're trying to cover up the fact that they want to redact their justification for droning American citizens

14:12 It's gorgeous. That's just beyond, it's beyond me! Yeah And if you're out there and you tweeted or retweeted something about the CIA shame on you I agree Unfortunately i saw a lot of our producers fall for the trap yeah that wouldn't surprise me I put in the show I'm concerned anyone using the whole uh... to communicate with the CIA over Twitter they're on a hit list I don't know. It's a honeypot. No, it's not! It's just as stupid as the CIA gift shop. Anyone can walk in there you take the tour and buy... I got a whole bunch of challenge coins everything

14:58 It's just like the gift shop. There is nothing more, nothing else. It's stupid and it's completely meant to distract from the real news I can't... When did the CIA join? Because this news came out I think June... This week! It was like last week right? No i think it was earlier. Later it was around the 5th or 6th wasn't it two days ago three days ago maybe yeah right it was after the show let's take a look twitter slash cia let's look at their first tweet but doesn't say when they first joined Yeah, you would have their first three tweets. Yeah June 6th the first tweet we can neither confirm nor deny that this is our first tweet

15:35 June 6th. Oh, that is so funny! June 6 US government citing possible exceptionally grave harm to national security told a federal appeals court it wants to give the public less information about its legal justification for using drones to kill Americans suspected of terrorism overseas The Central Intelligence Agency made the request in paper submitted late Thursday Yeah, the same day this tweet comes out hello are you people stupid? Ah It's amazing, but yet I'm not amazed of course don't look over there. Yeah Oh boy we haven't played that one a while hold on a second Anyway, I thought that was dumbfounding ladies and gentlemen dumbfounding yeah A couple of proclamations that came in Of course we had D-Day

16:32 You know that was my grandfather was landed at Normandy and he actually fought in Arnhem The infamous bridge too far, and it was kind of weird That to hear the president I don't know It didn't feel right when he was talking about when he did this big emotional speech. Did you see any of it? Only a snippet hmm. It just felt weird like I can't exactly pinpoint What was off about it? There was the second Obama? It was the other guy So anyway, he has thankfully proclaimed it D-Day National Remembrance Day 2014 but also we start a brand new week. See if you can guess what it is John over far... let's do a little echo I've been practicing on my echo Over farmlands and town squares Atop skyscrapers and Capitol buildings

17:28 The American flag soars. It reminds us of our history! Thirteen colonies that rose up against an empire and celebrates the spirit of fifty proud states that form our union today! That's the hint? That is the hint. Uh, Flag Day. And National Flag Week! So we can all fly these stars and stripes And the president directs... Well, looking around the neighborhood here. I'm looking out the window and I don't see anything. No? What do you expect it's Berkeley area The President has also announced his delegation to attend the Federative Republic of Brazil opening of the FIFA World Cup ceremony This is a gig we gotta get in on! This is cool man You get sent off as a member of the...I am sure you get to take Air Force 2 or something like that Don't you think

18:26 I would think it takes some sort of a drag. Maybe just the C140. With the strap-in chair, with the lawn chairs... Dan Pfeiffer, senior advisor to the president will be leading the delegation he needs to go because he's been annoying recently He has been saying stupid stuff on The Sunday Shows The Honorable Liliana Ayald she is the ambassador to Brazil Michelle Akers, retired member of the United States Women's National Soccer Team and oh! Gabriella Reese. I don't know who any of these people are. Gabriella Reese Beach Volleyball World Champion? Hello? Uh...I don't- let me see. Smokin' is what she is. She smokes? Smokin' hot. Oh. Smokin' hot. Gabriella Reese.

19:25 smoking hot CE. Oh, there she is! She's very attractive Yes and the president also announced here the designation of the presidential delegation to Kiev Ukraine To attend the inauguration of his excellency Petro Poroshenko President-elect of Ukraine Excellency! And that of course was yesterday and attending were Dr Joe See the ambassador, John McCain, Ron Johnson, Chris Murphy. Marcia...Marcy Capter? Really? That's pretty funny! The Honorable Marsha...Marcie Capter. I got nicknames now. Bear and Newland of course. Now that you mention McCain yeah i can segue out of this good

20:23 We need it. So the VA was having a press conference about their, you know even though nobody cares anymore and because... Well because it's been blown off the radar by... It blew off the radar meanwhile of course at the VA press conference where they're talking about this is not the doctors fault and there's not enough of a workload that I think they did common complaint was the doctors that work for the VA don't really do enough. They see a couple patients when they could see five kind of thing Meanwhile, McCain's up there with the rest of these guys, Colburn and the rest. And he just starts mouthing off about the Bergdahl deal and it becomes a kind of heated debate! So this decision to bring Sergeant Bergdahl home—and we applaud that he is home—but

21:14 is ill-founded, it is a mistake and it is putting the lives of American servicemen and women at risk. And that to me is unacceptable to the American people. He's now trying to get off because he's not this is a va thing. Is that? He wants to leave and are they hold are they pushing him back on the stage or it's not as though they're pushing him back, he jumps back in okay taliban No, they were members of Al-Qaeda too. They are listed as Taliban leaders? They were associated with and part of the Taliban! I'm sure you're aware that in 2001 the Taliban and al Qaeda were working together which is the reason why we went there these individuals who are working with al Qaeda

22:08 But there are a lot of ways some people would suggest they're only beating the United States, is that they were helping Guantanamo for... These people have dedicated their lives to destroying us. These people have dedicated their very existence Is that by presidential proclamation? Why do you think that when the judgment was made That if they released them it would pose great risk to the United States of America The Taliban. They are Taliban and Al Qaeda, don't you understand that? Were you around... Like he said, you're an old man, you might remember that in 2001 al-Qaeda found a haven with the Taliban That's why we initially invaded Afghanistan To somehow separate these people from al-Qaeda is just damn foolishness I understand your

23:00 problem with giving up the five Taliban cabinet members. I still can't get my head around applauding that Bergdahl's home and opposing the swap, should he still be in captivity under these circumstances or should he not? I think that the deal should not have been made as i've said many times but i would make every effort and continue to make every effort to bring him home Yeah, thank you. It's interesting I also received a couple emails too which i'd like to share since of course we also You know we kind of kicked off our coverage from our head mofo in charge the sergeant with his assessment of the situation

23:43 And there's multiple angles to be looked at in this case. This will be the last time I think we should spend any attention on what? You know, I know what you're saying and I would feel the same way except that I don't think we're going to get away from it because these politicos are...I mean when they're interrupting a VA hospital Scandal press conference. I think we're gonna see more of this by the way if these congressmen and Congress people decide to start Taking questions that are off topic mmm that extreme although that that is not a typical when you know even the president when he's You know in Brussels, you know talking about NATO though or talking about anything They'll ambush him with questions And and of course it's not an ambush because these things are I think McCain might have been

24:30 Sound like he went a little off script here, but here's one from one of our producers who grew up in Haley Idaho. This is a hometown of Bo Diddley So the producer says, I never knew Bo directly but obviously became aware of him after his capture. Haley is a small town and Bob Bergdahl drove a UPS truck at my house was on his route from what i understand the Bergdahl's parents are on the hippie spectrum which you think? Which I think is uh treatable and they homeschooled their children another treatable offense I wanted to direct you to a story written by Michael Hasings in 2012. Now, you've probably seen this as well. Right we actually discussed the elements of this. So the person says it's long very good article but is impossible for me to summarize what I gleaned from the article was that Boe was naive kid and tried and failed to join the French Foreign Legion Anyway our producer closed by saying hope you have time to read it The news cycle last week has been pretty disgusting as a kid who's been

25:24 And a kid who has been POW for five years, has been reduced to a bunch of soundbites for the left and right to argue about. Another reason I'm happy to call myself an independent. The Haley Idaho has received threats for wanting to celebrate Bo's release from the Taliban... Let's bomb him! ...and drone him, and subsequently canceled the scheduling celebrations we're aware he is not a hero had made many bad choices but he is the only son one our neighbors and we are happy he did not end up being killed in captivity So that's one And then the other one... And very reasonable, I might add. This is why I feel we should read this it's important Adam grateful for your and John's coverage of the Bergdahl affair and the media backlash against the lies propagated by the quote official channels however there are lies in myths truths on both sides of the story

26:09 What particularly irks me are the stories parading the loss of soldiers' lives during the search for Bergdahl. SSG Bowen and PFC Walker were not killed in the search for Bergdahl, we—and this person is saying I was in Comanche company during all this—were providing security in the remote town of Dilah for the Afghan national elections which were a farce in their own right. Village elders were allowed to cast votes for an entire village at once in a similar vein to the three-fifth rule of the slave era Anyway, SSG Murphy also of CCO. Oh that would be Charlie Company no Comanche company was killed by an IED on a convoy route security overwatch point again not on a mission in support of the Bergdahl search and rescue Lieutenant Andrews SSG Curtis and private Martinek

26:59 Martinak, I guess were in other companies within the battalion so i don't know the details of the missions that led to their deaths. Still it's sickening and lends credence to your thesis on the Obama administration being set up to fail that the circumstances surrounding the deaths of at least three soldiers are being distorted to fit an agenda." Also, also very valid. Outstanding. And this came through... A lot of people that never listened to the show before should note that we have a network Yes it's quite extensive all over the world yeah and so and and this came through but I believe is to be authentic And again, you can always send me encrypted email. People like doing that it gives them some idea of and it's through... It comes into my own mail server so at least I have some idea that they're protected. I did pick up a soundbite myself however from Oliver North who of course he's been known to lie in fact wasn't that his whole problem? He was a liar and a loose cannon

27:57 But he has a different take on this whole affair, which I thought listen worthy. The words prisoner of war keep being bandied about by this administration. Bo Bergdahl was not a prisoner of war. The Geneva Conventions the International Committee of the Red Cross our own laws define what a prisoner of war is. Bo Bergdahl was a hostage Now, I've got certain experience dealing with Americans who have been held hostage. Every one of those kinds of events begins with some kind of negotiation about a transaction. I understand how it works, it is a terrible, terrible thing to have to sit down either directly with the bad people who've got them or with intermediaries and decide on the price that's going to be paid for an American citizen to get free. And someone has paid enormous ransom not just the five which is bad

28:56 But worse yet, someone paid a ransom. Whether the Qataris paid it or some big oil shake or somebody used our petrodollars but there was a ransom paid in cash for each one of them My guess somewhere in the round numbers $5 or 6 million to get free golf. Wow, I know that the offer that was on the table before Was close to a million and that certainly puts a different perspective on everything Yeah, it's not bad. I give him credit for that one There's something else that was kind of fishy. Now this is a clip, and the clip is if you want to cue it up as missed clip. This is I was doing my clips this morning and I was just doing some archiving and I found this... Some hoarding! Yeah well I gotta save a lot of these clips so I found this at the beginning of like..I don't have the whole clip but just I have a piece of it and I and I as I played

29:54 to cue up the clip I wanted to save, there was something in this clip that i had missed twice because it would have been on the last show. And this is a...I just found this whole... he's explaining what was going on preceding the Bergdahl affair And I just thought, play this clip and then we can just maybe try to dissect it. Hundreds of people and they actually have been training every six months They've been meeting in training for a week for the last five years That means they've rehearsed this scenario including stand-ins for the sergeant and his family at least ten times now Do we know what his daily life will look like once he gets to Texas? You can stop it Stand ins So for the last five years At least once every six months They've been rehearsing this exchange

30:43 They've been rehearsing the bringing back to town, the celebration. Oh really? Reintroducing to his parents all that sort of thing And who was this reporting? Well that was on CNN it was one of I can't remember his name, but he's one of the big voices that was reporting to Anderson Cooper. And uh...I was just listening to this and said so this thing is like a wag the dog thing And again, it reminded me of the Woody Harrelson moment in Wag the Dog where they bring these guys like wait a minute this isn't what we expected which is kind of what happened. But they have been working on this every six months to bring hundreds of people together do a fake reuniting with his parents and big town celebration I just found that to be extremely disturbing. It's interesting you say that

31:38 Because the video, whenever we go in and we save somebody there's video. So if you'll recall was it Jessica or what was her name again? Right, Jessica the captured female army girl. I recently was shown the entire video footage by one of the people who recorded it Again, this is from our and it was shown to me. You know in a air gap situation right no connection to the internet Right I was shown to be on someone else's laptop and not only that but I saw the full capture of Saddam Hussein video there's a lot of interesting stuff

32:19 But, you know when you... the whole story behind what was her name? Jessica. What's her last name? No I can't remember Keep talking and i'll dig it out You know what really happened there is people the platoon or whatever was out in their trucks And they got spooked by something and they started to gun the engine They ran over a bunch of people killed them then hit the light post That's how she wound up in jail in that hospital. Jessica Lynch So this video is the full video of them landing with a helicopter Then it's all the you know, the night vision stuff and they just walk into the hospital. Everyone's like hey, she's over here You know she's like oh okay Hey how are you doing? Everything is really cool and calm people I got you come to get her And they load her up on the gurney and they walk her out in fact but there was certain point in the video that did make it into the news footage where one of the

33:10 The guy holding the gurney walking backwards up the ramp into the helicopter, he falls. He stumbles and almost drops her and that apparently has been like one of the most funniest things in the... amongst the brigade or whatever you call it. Like, oh dude you're such a douchebag! You almost dropped her and but the whole thing is that it was not like some crazy like they were going under fire just they landed right walked right into the American public It was like there were just...they rescued her yeah In fact, there were some stories that came out much later like the Toronto Star. I'm looking at one here says The Fog of War because it says the real saving Private Lynch story Iraqi medical staff tells a different story than US military we all became friends with her we liked her so much

33:56 And this is the kind of thing that is just going on constantly. We don't know what they were planning for this Bergdahl character, but if they were rehearsing it I guess for five years... So there's where my question was gonna come from how come we didn't see another one of the videos that are made? These videos are made whenever they do something like this their video-ing case in point. We have all this video from previous rescues right why was this video from the other side? Why was it apparently Taliban video? Do we know, yeah that's what we're told. Well it could be anybody's video! It could be rehearsal footage for all we know!

34:39 Geez, I don't know a word of it. I mean, I think this whole thing You know if they're rehearsing the meeting with the parents and the celebration in the little town I made for six months every six months with 100 people or more you can't trust any of this coverage at all It's just that's embarrassing. I know film directors that are jealous of that budget boy. Oh We can rehearse for five years every six months with a hundred people? Five years of rehearsals! With choppers?! Wow, with choppers and AK's and everything. Yeah well it's very distressing but that's why we do this show yeah I find that an interesting point there for sure but i don't think will ever really know the but it is being politicized that's for sure

35:32 That is for sure. By all sides, they all have their little edge I mean you get to watch in fact one of the things I hate to tell you this because we're going into it because it's segues...I ended up watching Al Sharpton Wait! How does this guy make a million dollars or more to do this show? It's beyond me No no no no no Are you not gonna do that to me Now here we go There is NO REAL COUNTERFEIT Now he is all in on the Obama story about Bergdahl and he thinks the Republicans are a bunch of A-holes for condemning him because we can't leave anyone behind. You know, you know the same memes that we've talked about

36:12 But you've got to, there's a couple things. One this woman from Salon Magazine is on the table with him and she keeps, she references him as Rev. Rev? As in cuz? Yeah, Rev. Hey Rev! Alright, Rev... okay nice Now I have One, two... I have four clips of Sharpton but the one we'll start with which is the one in moaning and groaning about the prisoner. Uh..I want you to listen to this clip Sharpton on Prisoner and when he says it's a shh-it's uh You'l just play it. And Joan I think its important that despite all of that

36:53 He was still being held captive. I don't know what's right or wrong, true or not but he was a captive and when they came and got him he cried and went home so this is not a shut-and-dry kind of situation that the right wing is raising And as the president said, he was out we had to go get him Shut and dry? This ain't shut and dry There should be a whole dictionary for this guy. Shut and dry, what would the actual quote be? Cut and dry. Yes cut and dry would shut... I don't know where the shut comes from he's obviously combined it's called a mixed metaphor of course. Skillets! Here is Sharpton's series of...and he babbles you just can't even put a sentence together

37:44 Of course, that doesn't mean I can but I'm not paid that kind of money. I'm not an MSNBC. Sharpton series with Joan Walsh, the Rev Girl. Absolutely and you know Wes is right it's very moving when you think about what was done to bring him back I mean, are we going to suddenly have a standard where journalists and pundits and Bill Kristol get to decide whether your character is such that we oughta go get you Rev? If you're captured in the field of battle... In the field of battle with our sacred duty. Rev! Yeah, that's what we call him from now on Rev. You know I'm his first name i think you know this probably makes more sense Why do you think? Name it when you have another child name him anyone out there named the kid Revland Just rev no just rev oh rev just rev yeah Oh yeah We got we watched a NASCAR. Yeah so dude It almost it seems like looking at A broader overview

38:46 Maybe all of this was just meant to create this patriotic conversation. You know what I mean? Maybe because that's what it comes down to the our sacred duty all about our patriotic type The sacred duty and all these sorts of things about no man left behind on all the rest while these why these veterans are dying in the waiting line Yeah, it just is so they I the irony of using this to obfuscate The other problem. Yes It's just too funny and we got a guy in Mexico in jail

39:21 We've got a guy still in Cuba, I think. Right Isn't it our sacred duty? Yeah, where's the sacred duty to get that guy out of Mexico? Wait am I not... isn't Guantanamo Bay like in Cuba Yes it is So why don't we just walk across the street You can't, you can get it's kind of the... And how silly is that? This whole idea that Cuba is evil and you know we give special paperwork if you ever even want to consider going there and they're suppressing their people but yet we have a base on Cuba. Well this actually our territory that was leased in its isn't this not like... From who let me guess from the Cubans? But it was long before it was an old deal It's like Hong Kong being not parted China until 1997

40:08 And you know then they gave it away essentially. Yeah, but still we just walked in go get the guy Isn't that our sacred duty? Well, it's our sacred duty I don't know why they don't do something about it. Our sacred oath Give me more Sharpton. Okay now a Sharpton was since we're on Sharpton Sharpton Decides to go after the school well, they actually play this a new new clip and get that out of the way And we won't end the war and leave you over there I mean if we're winding down a wall what are we saying to Bergdahl and his family all right? We're winding it down everything's over and here on your own yeah, you're young yeah, which is gonna Leave you there

40:47 but it didn't take long, John for some of the right to start comparing this to Benghazi. They always try to connect their dots on their conspiracy road and things they criticize I mean former Republican Governor Johnson knew no way then and then Congressman Buck McKeon Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Go someplace else and shoot yourself! I got here. Here's one more Sharpton clip you gotta play this is on the other came in and play these all day long Okay, Sharpton dealing with facts have different facts. President Bush released more detainees from Gitmo than President Obama, this is just a fact! 532 detainees were released from Guantanamo under president bush 87 have been released under president obama yet the right wing is acting like there's no precedent for this uh captain I mean let's just deal with the facts and the numbers as they are

41:47 It's a precedent for that I got me a president man, this guy is just unbelievable He's what he doesn't say is that you know Bush let out over 500 and Obama's not 85 But Obama is the one who promised to close the place down Yeah, but you did you know? He this guy is the worst I think broadcaster. I've ever seen in my life The only thing that's irksome to us is that he's making so much money doing it On the other hand on the other hand I will say what a zero-sum game So it's not coming out of our pocket and whatever what a thankless place to be

42:26 He also here's another kind of silly one. This is a short clip because Sharpton start both start with a B Listen to this one. Okay, I mean Benghazi Bird dog. They both start with the B, Rev. I think that's what it is. There it is! Who is that woman from Salon? Yeah, that's what he needs now if I were running MSNBC first of all they'd have great sidekick yeah Yes He needs someone like a morning show female Sidekick and she needs to be super super cracker white

43:07 Yeah, which is this woman. Yes she actually was doing a good... let me just listen to that again I it sounded like a morning zoo show right there. I mean Benghazi, Burnt Dawn, B they both start with the B, Rav. I think that's what it is. Woohoo! Bang on the drum all day! Morning Zoo with Rev and Elf! No conflict Well, she does have apparently a job as a political analyst. All she says on this show is yeah, yeah Rev, yeah. You know that's Sesame Street level you know when someone says to you they both start with the letter B! Yeah totally

43:47 Yeah, no I think they should make her a regular on the show. She's always smiling and she's always nodding in agreement with whatever he says she does...she must feel a little like an idiot because this guy is saying things like press attendance But she doesn't care because she's on TV you see when you move from the salon This is the big deal people love this And if she does it for free believe me that also starts with the B Beyonce said oh I'm gonna be on TV Should we tweeting it? Yeah! I'm gonna be on The Rev Show today On MSNBC all 10 of ya can watch Now, there was one other segment that had nothing to do with Benghazi or Bergdahl or anything else that starts with a B. But there's this school lunch they had a school lunch expert come on and he did this bit to defend Michelle Obama because what she wants to do at school lunches is being rejected by the evil Republicans! And so they show us school lunches I have to kind of explain to you what would they did

44:43 After you play this clip, which is a little long but they show us traditional school lunch. When I was kid and we had school lunches... This is not what they fed us but apparently they feed some people. How much was your milk money? How much was that when you went to school? Nickel. No how can that be? It was four cents for me! Weird. It was four, and I know I'm younger than you... Yeah! ...it was 4 cents because my mom would put them in a plastic bag. Oh, I miss her. Four pennies and it would be the little triangle of milk Did you have the little triangle package? No no we had these little small cartons Aww how cute was that she put in a little baggie for me with my milk money

45:28 I'm sorry. Okay, and I'm falling here up on it Let's go to the table for a minute because I want to show some table in front of us We have an example of these school lunches And what was used? and what they used to look like, and how the program is trying to improve them. Let's look at plate one this is uh what a typical lunch menu used to look like A slice of pizza some canned pineapples, some french fries ketchup and a cup of chocolate milk. This adds up to 750 calories, 26 grams of fat over 1200 milligrams of sodium that's a lot of salt and 42 grams of sugar. And I thought I'll shut up What parent would want their kids eating this junk Tom? Not me! I have a couple kids so i have three children and Wait who is this? This is some expert oh

46:27 He's an expert because he has a couple of kids? Yeah, that is the reason. This junk at all You have a much healthier plate here Now let us look at you where you're talking this is what we would get with the first ladies This is after sure the implementation slice some whole wheat pizza some baked sweet potato fries great tomatoes with low-fat ranch dip, applesauce and some low-fat...

47:04 Now, well there's more to this clip should we just continue? Yeah play the rest of it but I want to explain what you're actually seeing here. What do you wanna do that now or while were playing it? Well actually could do it now let's...we have the two plates. Now the presidents Michelle's plate Consists of the same pizza only made with whole wheat dough. Okay, maybe that's still pizza Yeah But instead of having french fries and ketchup which is what the other plate had and the ketchup was there as for the french fries obviously For kids to dip their fries in the ketchup Although Sharpton contends it was there as a vegetable because you remember that old... Yeah, tomato ketchup is a vegetable. So that's replaced with deep fat fried sweet potatoes which is a product I'm telling you 90% of the kids in America outside of the South will not eat Really? French fried sweet potatoes or french fried yams are very

48:07 unacceptable. But they're super tasty! They don't have the right texture, they're not french fries I'm telling you nobody wants to eat those You said it...you nailed it on the head right there and my daughter started with this I don't think I ever had this as a kid but texture is such that's there something with the programming that has gone into our kids heads probably through advertising Texture is very... it's more important than taste, than anything else. Texture, size, dimensions and you're right when you look at a french fry if it-if it-it's like apples or tomatoes You go to the market here we get our heirloom tomatoes they looked like they got the plague There are no kids who eat those And that's really weird texture I don't like the texture what does that mean?

49:04 They just don't like the way it feels in their mouth. Mouth feel would be a kind of gourmet's way of putting it. Anyway, so they have these... Nobody is going to eat these fries and then they have instead of canned pineapples which is where all that sugar comes from and the other meal you know how about fresh pineapple? There are a million things to do. Yeah! How about pineapple?! Just pineapple! Get a pineapple cut it up!! Then they can't. It's too much work And the other one has got applesauce Now I don't know about you but eating Fried yams and a pizza on a crap bread with applesauce is not a combination that has any appeal in anybody's universe, but okay. But the president, Michelle said it was better and then they have... Wait stop! Stop stop stop! It's all coming back to me Did you ever have tuna a la King Day? No, but I've had we had tuna. A tuna a la king was this gooey

50:01 A mixture of tuna with goop and peas. Actually, it's tuna bechamel and peas yeah. Would you say bechemel? It's a bechamel essentially it's flour and milk. Yeah its gooey. And it would be on a piece of toast right and that we would call it SOS Shit on it shit on a shingle right which traditionally is chip beef yeah, but that would be the younger generation We had no chip beef right and I think what that was the one time we had to know a la King Day is when When we had the food fight probably on Friday someone chucked one of those and that was just all over us. Oh

50:39 Let me continue my analysis. So there's also, of course he says that ketchup is a vegetable and so you have on this other plate the Obama plate a small bowl of cherry tomatoes and a ranch dressing that these kids I suppose are supposed to grab the tomato and dip it With their pinky finger in the air. One moment, I'm going my ranch dressing. Give me a break! This adds up to just... under 500 calories, 14 grams of fat a thousand milligrams of sodium 31 grams of sugar. There's still pizza and fries but it is significantly healthier than when the kids were eating previously with our first table. What do you say to Republicans that are going against this? Well you know what, it's really nothing about what's on this plate at all

51:35 This is about $10 billion. Stop, you should play it but he derails Sharpton here by saying it's not about the food anyway It's about the deal the guys doing the food and you can play the rest of it or let me finish this one little tidbit on analysis that he's bitching about First of all where's the vegetables? That's the kettle Obama supposed to be a big time You know we're gonna modernize if all she's done is substitute crap for crap There is nothing except for the tomatoes, which kids won't eat and you can be sure those tomatoes are tasteless because that's the only way it can do that sort of thing. Can I interrupt you for a moment? It's funny...you just said something very telling You said Michelle Obama was supposed to be or doing X Y & Z Correct? Yeah As if she is actually really doing something Well representing a movement Ah!

52:28 This I picked up from CNN a couple weeks ago. I've been saving it because I didn't quite know where to fit it in This is Carol who of course is my favorite on CNN Carol nothing is more important than the health and well-being of our children nothing And our hopes for their future should drive every single decision that we make That was mrs Obama back in 2010 when she signed the healthy hunger free kids act into law Oh really She signs bills into law. What a great clip! She signs bills into law these days. Holy crap Yeah, but that... it's easy though you see how that works?

53:13 Isn't that crazy? I think it was maybe it was subliminal. That was in the prompter, she's not making this up! No somebody wrote it up and she read it because she's a prompter reader and that's what signed it into law. Excuse me honey, I'm signing this one move over move your fat ass over. Whoa whoa that was unnecessary Well, I mean he's saying that to Obama which is...he doesn't have a bad ass son. It's not out of line at all! That was what a wife would say to her husband. Yeah, I'm glad I got to play that because I've been saving that for weeks now. Well anyway so we have the tomatoes and the little hoity-toity dip and you know which kids aren't gonna deal with they won't even use that dip

53:56 And they won't eat those tomatoes because those tomatoes are going to taste like crap. And there's no real vegetables! Where is the broccoli? Where is the salad? Where is the asparagus? Where are carrots even?! Where is any of this!? It's pizza and deep fat fries... Hey, how about kale? Just throw some kale in there for good measure! Who cares? The other thing was that he mentions, oh 1200 grams of salt. Milligrams of salt in the first meal. That's way too much salt says the old skinny uh... uh... sharp because he has lost all his weight. The other one has a thousand! It's the difference is like it's ten- it's twenty milligrams. Infantessimal. Yeah infantesimal. Or 200 milligrams. Anyway to me watching this was a farce There you go with your French again. Here I go

54:44 Well, with that John let me thank you for your courage and I'd like to wish you a very healthy and hearty in the morning. John C Dvorak? Well in the morning to you Mr Adam Curry also In the morning to all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water And in the morning too The Human Resources in the chatroom noagendastream.com noagendachat.net In the morning to our artists of course Thank You Very Much Nick hold on Nick Theroux Do you hear the echo when I do that? Oh cool. NickTheRat brought us the artwork for episode 623 It was hard though, there were several choices we had to make and we always look forward to seeing what

55:33 What you come up with no agenda art generator calm is the the entire the generators where we store everything and even if your art is not chosen It's always kept there for prosperity as well as often used in newsletters and other communique another French word another Communiqué from HQ. We have a new phenomenon that just happened on this show number 624 okay Don Tommaso did Toronto, which is we'll see what's to be called. Is it the first or first in a hopefully a series of insta barons? Whoa Yeah, a Baron of course is a 3x night yeah So he came up with the three thousand one hundred forty-one dollars and fifty nine cents out of Toronto How does how does he arrive at that number ah Well here we go

56:24 Bless me, here's his note. Bless me Giovanni and Adamo for I've been a douchebag! I was going to write you a long note about how on a recent business trip Google Maps inadvertently guided me right to CIA headquarters in Langley. Turn right I must be a fascinating guy because for an hour or so, if you weren't Canadian this probably wouldn't have happened cause you could've gone into the souvenir shop. For an hour or so they asked me lots of questions often repeated to see if my answer changed before they finally let me go by now it was lunchtime so I pulled into a nearby restaurant where I was told that their lunch special was mac and cheese with lobster for $29. That's 28 dollars a mac and cheese and one dollar a lobster meat

57:06 I had a salad instead. There were suddenly sirens and a trove of police cars pulled in, and an officer entered to tell us that there was a situation nearby we all had to stay put for 30 minutes or so! I sheltered in place until it was given the all clear Shelter in place, citizen. Shelter in place. All clear citizens you may leave. I was then allowed to leave. I thanked the officer for his courage and left On the way to my hotel I drove under one of those programmable highway signs that read if you see something say something

57:43 Enough, I said. Obviously these were all signs from the No Agenda Karma Brigade that there was time to make a donation amends for my two-year douchebaggery! Since sending money from CannaNavia is problematic, I am resorting to using PayPal to rid myself of the guilt and celebrate my newfound freedom. I'm sharing some pie with the two of you 3.14159 which is pie. Ah! I consider it a donation Yes Here's my donation at 3141.59 to The Best Podcast in Universe and shall henceforth be known as Don Tommaso de Toronto Hell yeah

58:24 My 15 year old son and I love listening to No Agenda, and I get a kick out of him enjoying it so much. My 13 year old son is also an occasional listener, so there's hope for the future yet." May I simply ask for a de-douching in a shot of karma? Keep up the fantastic work you do, uh... And all you douchebags out there give some value for value. Wow! There ya go. Well i'm humbled by that one. It sounds like that really happened I'm sure it did. Sounds legit! You've been de-douche'd. You got karma. Well, we certainly look forward to... well he'll be knighted of course later on and then he's an insta baron with the pie donation for my i'm reeling that's cool yeah you know it's pretty funny

59:15 That's the challenge laid down. Glove to the face. Meanwhile, Sir David Foley after donating $899.98 as you know he has been donating club show numbers for the last year has gotten himself to the point where is now by his accounting a Grand Duke or second one Oh! He needs a jingle He needs a jingle. I've told him that in an email. Okay, well someone needs to... The Grand Duke, you know, Pell's Margaret has one and so now we have two Grand Dukes. ITM John and Adam please find my donation it elevates me to Grand Duke. I hereby claim the nation of the United States as my territory. Sounds right? Yeah! I recently started to have my eight-year old listen with me to the podcast as his primary source of news

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1:00:57 which he has over... now he will be the supervisor of the barony with somebody else in Silicon Valley. Wow, that's pretty damn cool! That was very cool Meanwhile Chris Eve out at Tokyo Japan has sent in $400 and he sent a note with it In the morning John and Adam I have been a long time pre-donor The closed amount is a small expression of gratitude for the many hours of insight and entertainment that you two have brought me. I'm sorry to have missed Adam's visit to Tokyo as i was out of town that week sounds like he had a great time and i really enjoyed listening to his comments and reflections on Japan it really is a great place to live

1:01:42 Please keep up the good work. The show really has the best, uh... T-the show really is the best podcast in the universe and you can take that to the bank! I would like your request—I should have excluded you on this one sorry— Oh. —I'd like to request a William Hague protect their freedom Uh huh? And some karma. Oh okay no it's all right i can do that no problem Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it. In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people. In ours it only exists to protect their freedoms. Protect their freedoms. You've got karma! And I'll add a little haiku to that forum? My name is Aoba. I am the son of Gisu.

1:02:38 Hatsugatsu. By the way, Sir Mark from Tokyo sent me a note he says absolutely not a single Japanese person who played that four knew what the hell the guy was saying. Well I don't know what you're saying mostly anyway. Anyway Chris ends with Ganbatte Kudasai! Exactly yeah okay anyway onward. And let's see, let me get this spreadsheet so I can read it. These are long notes. Le Pan in Mesa Arizona donated August of last year and asked for jobs karma since i had just been fired no karma this is a $200 donation would be associate executive producer for show 624 um no karma no jobs for seven months

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1:10:01 And of course this being the best podcasting universe, we try to expose the many ways in which the mainstream even our national treasures seem to be compromised by their model of advertising. Make no mistake when someone says the program is underwritten by Chuck E Cheese it's just another form of advertising The only thing they're not allowed to do is provide a call-to-action but they...it still advertising and then sold as advertising And the wheels are coming off, although you won't hear a lot about it. But it was very interesting to see NPR, National Treasure No 1 blowing the whistle on PBS our public broadcast system which as you may have noticed also has commercials every

1:10:53 15 minutes. They actually interrupt shows sometimes! Yeah, they do. Now there's commercials at the beginning and the end but now they're in the middle And this is... What we know is that when you have someone spending a lot of money on sponsorship they just might have some control and of course what you'll always hear from the public broadcasters Nooooooo! That doesn't work that way, noooo. So let's have a listen to this little story as collected on NPR about PBS and our favorites big sponsors of the PBS KOOK BROTHERS The issue of money came into play for you and this film it was to be backed

1:11:49 by a group that makes documentaries very often for public television. David Koch turned out to be affiliated with some of those public television groups, and your money ended up being pulled. What happened there? Well, we didn't know when we got greenlit by this public television entity that David Coe is a major donor to PBS. And he's also on the board of trustees both at WGBH in Boston and of WNET in New York are flagship stations for the Public Broadcast Network. So our funders at the Independent Television Service saw that

1:12:26 We're making this film. They supported it, they commissioned it, they gave us $150,000 in funding and a broadcast slot." By the way... $150,000? For a documentary?! Nice, but then they pulled all that when when they did they saw that we decided to name the film citizen coke and And you wouldn't change the name. They also what do you expect? Story by the way this has been a floating around for little bit Oh, I hadn't heard it reprise that were appraising it because they're after the Koch brothers of course brother Let's say, let's say... Okay Adam you're I'm a big shot donor and Charles Dvorak. Big shot donor. And so I'd like to bestow upon you $150,000 dollars so you can finish your documentary Yes thank you very much for that Charles this is lovely i'm going to call my documentary JCD Le Douchebag What? You're done!

1:13:30 What do they expect? But it's great. It was great. She brings it in a little she doesn't actually say that the Koch brothers pulled it Oh no, it was just coincidence The content related to the the Kochs and oh it's the Kochs. It was really deeply troubling especially when we connected the dots and we realized that they were trying to protect Essentially, they were trying to protect the high-dollar donors to public television. This group IPBS said it was about editorial differences? Well that's just not true! They didn't tell us that... what they told us is that the title of film would make it unbroadcastable given the environment at the time. What does that mean? There was a lot of interest in The Koch Brothers

1:14:23 Well, what Jane Mayer found out because she did some investigating for the New Yorker. And what she found out was that the head of WNET in New York was expecting and anticipating a seven-figure... Stop! Back it up a little bit but at the beginning I noticed this they went out of their way not to mention well we can't really say which they made a big deal out of not mentioning the specific station that it was going through yeah now they drop a is that the entity yeah spanks uh... for the new yorker com and what she found out was that the head of w n e t in new york was expecting was anticipating a seven-figure dot dollar seven figure donation david's coke

1:15:04 at that time, that we had changed the title of our film. And that the head of this station in New York called this independent funding agency and threatened them and threatened to pull out of this documentary series Independent Lens if they continued to blindside him. You know he didn't want to anger this trustee and major donor. I wouldn't either! No. I'm in that business and i'm getting seven figures from the Koch brothers, and that's not on a forever basis... That's every year, you know year after year, and you're gonna slam the guy? And I'm gonna broadcast that?! I'm not broadcasting it but this is not an idiot what do you think- Do these people making these documentaries are they that dumb

1:15:54 Well, I doubt that this was set up specifically to make the Koch brothers look stupid as is often done by these jabronis. But it does just prove... Wait but before you go on that let me just do a quick thought I believe amongst the community of public broadcasting folks, everybody knows that Koch brothers are huge donors to public broadcasting. And if you're not aware of this... This is my kind of thought on this If you're not aware of that what are you doing in so far? Why...? I don't trust your documentary! You're obviously a moron So this documentary's got to be slanted if you don't know these basic facts

1:16:43 Because you don't know what the hell is going on apparently. So by the same token we could presume, and this is the only point I'll make about it that if the Monsanto corporation provides a grant every year year in year out while they're waiting for the next grant maybe they won't do a whole piece on uh Monsanto? That would be my guess or uh The Boeing Corporation Or Archer Daniel Midlands Or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or the Warren Buffett thing. Right yeah no you're not gonna do anything on any of those things right and that list is bigger and bigger it's almost like an extortion racket You know if your'e not on our list here we might be doing... We got nothing else to work on because all these other guys are all in with us! I noticed your'e not on a list this month Yeah i think maybe a little uh might do a little work on that

1:17:41 Yeah, it sounds like an extortion racket. That's the problem with all these commercial operations. Yep! Which is the beauty of our model now of course we're not getting any seven figure donations but no... We're getting by. We doing what? We're getting by and I think it's a uh hey every single day I wake up John I don't know about you but I wake up and I'm like I'm almost 50 I get to work from home I work a lot But I get to do what the people ask me to do. I'm very happy." Yeah, you're not beholding No! Oh that's the part...you know? What was it...? Well you've been in commercial broadcasting-I mean i've been in and out of it but I've always been a writer but at the same time when you're a writer you also have these obligations even though nobody talks about it. But you don't write certain things that is gonna offend the hell out of somebody Ever

1:18:37 Yeah, pretty much ever but when you're not beholding to Advertising that's the way people really have to understand what it's important Maybe maybe it's time to maybe it's time to talk about my Michael Jackson story. We haven't done that in a while Yeah I think there's a lot of new listeners that don't know about this Okay and by the way You know, I'd like to report that said that today The now we know that thanks Of course in no small part to Justin Timberlake who was also picking off the corpse that Michael Jackson, who reportedly and I always said this was bullcrap was a half billion dollars in debt before he was killed make no mistake. He WAS killed His doctor was convicted of involuntary manslaughter so he WAS killed you know fact fact pattern but i'm pretty sure there were more people involved and he was worth more dead than alive And low and behold looks like theres about a billion and a half being made on his new work is back catalog

1:19:36 And there's no annoying artist in the middle. Yeah, we got Justin Timberlake to do it with a hologram! That's fantastic! Justin will do anything! He's a good boy, Justin. So when I was- he knows how to play ball... He knows how to play the game. I was sad kind of when I saw this Justin Timberlake. But I like Justin Timberlake. I don't like him anymore. He's off the list. He's voted off the island. When I was at MTV and we would uh... None of this was... Rarely was anything live We would tape segments and on Thursday we would tape for the weekend. That would be called a 48, so we'd tape our segments which is essentially the lead-ins, the intros and outros of videos without the videos that will be put together later by the tape jockeys up in Long Island They literally start a U-matic with my segment then start this second U-matic with video

1:20:25 And this was the... we had made a deal. This is how it went, made a deal We would give Michael Jackson the planetar- we would receive the planetary premiere of I can't remember which video it was and this became competitive because we had not purchased BET at that time and BET you know they would whoever could dedicate more airtime It's a commercial deal! Commercial deals! Then we threw in like a music award appearance all this stuff And so it was Michael Jackson weekend for the planetary premiere of whatever video. So you work a full day from nine in the morning till five at night and just, you're doing segments throughout the day there's a lot of coordination, there's changes... I mean yeah my life was really hard being a VJ but it was actual work and then Friday we would typically only do 24 which should be for Monday's air

1:21:21 And Thursday evening we all got a call, oh my god you have to come back early. We've got to do three days worth of programming on Friday so not just the 48th, we've gotta do the Monday as well, we've gotta redo the whole weekend because contractually we had promised every single time we said Michael Jackson to follow it by The King Of Pop And of course, that had not made it down to the studio. So we had to go back and re-tape every single segment saying... ...and now it's time for the planetary premiere of Michael Jackson! The King Of Pop with his new video. And that's how it works. That's how you completely controlled. The king of pop? The king of pop. That's cute. Let's get this out of the way what was with the hair that you had there? Did you.. where did that idea come from? My ex wife

1:22:17 It was, oh okay. And it made me famous! You see because you had the hair luckily you had the kind of hair that could do with that hair again Well when you have enough aquanet Which is what we had in the day. You could probably, anybody could make that hair and you just have to grow it long enough blow dry it and tease it Did you go into makeup every day in the morning? My ex-wife would do that every single morning before I left the house she would do my hair She was your hair artist? I was incapable of doing my hair myself which made me a slave to her and to the hair I'm not kidding! I was afraid to go anywhere without her because how...I couldn't do my hair

1:23:00 This is no joke by the way. That's funny that sad is what it is, but however if what's distinctive according to the Merv Griffin theory of Celebrities people with big heads are successful on television and he would know look at the people He's hired Look at people who are successful on television if they got a big head and that usually goes with a small body Then you are going to be successful L. Sharpton There you go It's like a head on a dwarf so I have a normal size nice sized head, but the hair made my whole Head aura look big and therefore successful

1:23:48 Well, it was definitely a sight to like whoa. Thanks! You know what? I still have my hair Yeah i know you do and think that you should be happy Yes every day There's a lot of bald guys out there And those are the ones who usually bitch about my hair How're you doing My hair is still here. It's thinning a little bit on the top. No, but my hair has always been thin. It's like I got baby fine hair. You should pray to the Hair Gods every day and go oh thank you! And apparently once you get to be 55 Letterman talked about this, because he has really weird hair. He says once you get to be 55 according to his hair expert that's the hair you're gonna have. You're not gonna lose it. The rest of your life you don't lose it? Yeah maybe it gets a little crappier looking because you don't comb anymore or you don't care but thats about it so if your bald then you get bald before then

1:24:45 Where were we? Onward to Europe. No, no, no! What?! You'd like you... Here's the problem Luckily there is two of us. You began the segue with the Michael Jackson on CNN thing and then you got sidetracked And I took your way off the rails with The Hair Story. You are going to talk about how you Because we're talking about or discussing corruption in the media. You went on... Yeah, and then I told- This clip! You gotta play the clip and set it up. What? No, I played no- oh you mean the... no i'm not gonna play that clip yeah that's the that's what i thought the whole segment was about do you want me to play that clip? The clip where he's going to die if they cut you off! No this no this no the segment was corruption of the media where i had to go back and retape everything you want me to play the thing Michael Jackson in that clip? No that clip is sucks because it's really long and we're st- now that clip is no good okay by popular demand

1:25:43 Anyone who donates $50 in the next show. But I'll have to cut it down No, no onward to Europe now as I was saying okay? Okay So we have a real problem here about who know as you know We have our haiku Herman currently the president there of the United States of Europe. I'm paraphrasing his job And we need a new one. And this of course, you know the Europeans... The citizens don't get to vote on their president! Oh no! No it's chosen by some secret ballot which they think is actually good They think it's the right way to do it is secretly Strangely enough Okay Now we know Jean-Claude Juncker was a frontrunner Junker was a frontrunner

1:26:32 It doesn't look like he is the... well, the problem that cropped up is the UK doesn't want him. They do not want this banker, this federalist guy telling them what to do and being in charge of anything if that position holds any power. And then Christine Lagarde cropped up as a likely candidate. This was propagated here. Well, yes a lawyer really more than banker but she's currently the head of the IMF and she did something that was unexpected. Managing director of the International Monetary Fund Christine Lagarde has ruled herself out as a potential candidate for the job of European Commission president She wants to finish her term in charge of the IMF

1:27:14 I'm not a candidate and the reason why is that i have a job. A job? As my young son would have said, mum when you start something you've got to finish the job. Jean-Claude Juncker is considered the frontrunner but Britain's David Cameron has made it clear he opposes him The leaders of Sweden Hungary and Italy have also voiced doubts Some analysts even expect Juncker to pull out of the race after support from Germany's Angela Merkel cooled European leaders have given themselves until late June to reach a deal on the top position Okay now Of course Christine has no time for this because she is busy raping Greece anally and

1:28:06 the uh... they just put the Athens Riviera into the privatization agency. This is what they did with East Berlin when that whole thing came down, when the wall came down so you have this Greek privatization agency which the IMF and European Central Bank and European Commission, the Troika as it's known have forced Greece to do things like this like taking assets including Attica coastline, which goes from... it's like from the east to the west. It's like the whole coastline has been transferred to the Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund. Hey! Those Greeks are holding up their own property too long. Now here's what you can buy a 176 acres of land which lies between the sports complex Agios Kosmos

1:29:01 which is opposite of the old Athens airport, 20 acres of land in Glyfada. 383 acres of land in the southern part there of Sunion I think? What is it? Do you have prices or do they just have... No they haven't set the prices yet. It's like a bidding process. There's also a ski resort at Parnassus Mountains Usually if they're gonna dump a bunch of property like not just a little but a lot L at once and doing over bids You can get some deals, but essentially it's the beach California coast It's just amazing Completely raping them. Of course this is this even isn't even discussed in Europe anymore people are so we get reports our friends and

1:29:59 In the Netherlands, people are not happy. What are they going to do about it? Nothing! The health insurance in the Netherlands... basically in the Netherlands they went from a complete single payer system to essentially a version of Obamacare. And now they've made changes once again, starting in 2016 health insurers will no longer have to pay towards the cost of treatment at hospitals and providers which they don't have a contract with So now you're saying... HMO model. Yeah, HMO model so that's great but I did want to just... It should have been the worst! Of course not it's horrible and the Netherlands had a great system No actually single-payer works if it's tightly controlled but the people that don't like it are the drug companies Well and the insurance companies Well the insurance companies are cut out of the deal yeah they hate it too

1:30:55 So anyway, we need to choose a president of Europe and I'm thinking that I have some ideas for this. Oh now this is where you're good! You nailed the Pope I mean out of the blue, people have been listening to the show a long time. He actually nailed the Pope by name, chosen by name on the blue months before yes you do know i'm a time traveler yeah you're from the future so tell us and you just couch it in these entertaining ways? Yes that's right! I just bumble around just to throw you off track Now, historically speaking we know that the president of Europe has to be a moron. Case in point. Okay exactly right? That's true I agree with that And I think they did very well with Haiku Herman just the guy who can just be silly you know hasn't had... You have to look silly all that is missing is a red clown nose and a bow tie that spins. Yeah just do something like this. The bow tie that spins

1:31:59 Would be the way to do it now So Christine Lagarde is there's no way she is right for that job because she's sharp Yes, our bus attack that woman too smart to sway over qualified for the job of moron head-of-state But I think it needs to be a woman this time Remember, I'm from the future. You're right! No but you are on the right track with your thought process And i am going to tell you who my number one candidate is Hella Thorning-Schmidt We've talked about her before Prime Minister of Denmark The selfie girl of Obama

1:32:44 I have a number two candidate, but she's my number one. Even though she is older, she is an attractive woman... She's dumb? No! Yeah, she could be dumb. Because you know, she was walking up to Sarah Jessica Parker like hey, I run this country can I do a selfie with you?! She's dumb Okay, she's dumb and qualifies there We could put a spinning bowtie on her That's what I'm thinking Well then there's Dahlia Grzybowskaite the president of Lithuania. Well, that's interesting... She looks a little too stern and I think she might have her shit together so i'm a little worried about her. I think Hela is perfect because she's a known figure um she's cute! That's a plus. She's not horribly horrible looking. She speaks her languages. I don't know if she speaks French which would be kind of a prerequisite

1:33:43 But she would be a perfect puppet. Remember, I'm from the future now John! What do you think of Dahlia? I can't find her... How do you spell her last name? Golf Romeo Yankee Bravo Alpha Uniform Sierra Kilo Alpha India Tango Echo I got G-R-Y B-A-U S-K-I A-A-I-T-E Bauskeit. Griebauskeit Oh there she is Yeah, yeah. She looks I think I'm all okay. I would be in on this one you think her she just has that look I don't think she looks stern She has a stern look but most of the time she just looks kind of like A little bit of Down syndrome combined with Nice haircut Just a little bit. I'm not saying anything hmm. Yeah. Yeah You think her well? I wouldn't like to see her a lot and

1:34:46 I think Hello would be great. She's funny! Hello would be at least attractive, yeah But she would do funny things it would be great for the show Maybe? Especially if she was into selfies Yeah Oh man, could you imagine? It would be so great for the show. Dahlia! Here's the problem... Okay I think you're right And her husband is a super banker I think So he's... No that's perfect She was inaugurated in 2009 This is Dahlia she was vice president of foreign affairs minister of finance and also European commissioner for financial programming Wait no she's way too smart we can't have her From 2004 She also is referred to as The Iron Lady or The Steel Magnolia We can't have that

1:35:26 We need a dipshit. No, we don't need that. We've already got Merkel. Yeah exactly. You don't need another one of those. Alright let me take a look at Hela Thorning-Schmidt I think her husband is a super banker? Let me see... hold on. Hela Thorning-Schmidt Wikipedia and you know she's only marginally cute in a milfy kind of way. Let's see Danish politician Where's her husband You're a social democrat, that's good. You know? She got the right thing going on there Oh! Fluent English and French Hello! Fluent in French And English That'll do it That will do it Personal life Married to Stephen Kinnock Daughter-in-law to Neil Kinnock She's... pfft Former leader of the Labour Party Hello! She's perfect she's royalty Oh yeah No she's good, she's perfect I'm telling you

1:36:33 Alright, well I mean what she'd take the job. That's another thing Oh in a heartbeat are you kidding me so in other words? She's all-in on the EU experiment oh yeah and her husband doesn't they don't even live together Which is I'm not condemning it But it just was sure as the member of the European Parliament from Denmark from 99 to 2004 sure She's part of the group that she knows the system Danish parliament 2005 should like to replace his leader of social Democrats blah blah blah. Oh yeah Yeah Okay, but that's what we're pushing her now. I think you know what she's uniquely qualified To run the EU yes all she needs is the spin and bowtie the spinning bow tie would be there to kick her Just remember i'm from the future

1:37:23 That's okay, we'll go with this call. Although you know we never heard of this other character the guy running it now that's Haiku Herman I mean it's possible some obscure person we've never heard of will get this position which has been happening in the past. Yeah but hold on this whole structure is new? Wasn't he the first guy wouldn't this be the second? Maybe... Who was before him? Just see the structure I can't Yeah, because they have councils and this and the council of that. It doesn't matter it's just the... All right we'll see yeah so European news for the day well not entirely oh well there's one thing I know you don't you you're not on my side of the fence on this

1:38:07 This is the SDR fence. Oh yeah, you're in the SDR. Yeah well I keep... Look someone's got to follow this stuff and there is the theory out there that there is a global cabal working on removing the petrodollar and replacing it with the SDR And actually was Christine Lagarde who said just the other day, I don't have a clip of it She said well you know The way things are going The headquarters of the IMF might have to be in Beijing which is kind of a slam for her to say that, but okay. And that is obviously because the IMF and the BRICS are getting antsy with the IMF 2010 reforms not being ratified by the United States and you know so they're pushing to do their own system whatever But following the money—and this is from Reuters as you know um... The quantitative easing

1:39:04 being tapered in the United States, which of course will affect the market and our economy. And I guess inflation rate or something we'll have to see But what's been happening to treasuries is very interesting it turns out there's this outfit in Belgium called Euroclear and Euroclear is a clearinghouse But it is buying up, let's see... US Treasuries. They just bought up another 40.2 billion over the past five months Belgium because it's in Belgium. Belgium's net ownership of United States treasuries has increased to 201.1 billion dollars and this a country that only has a GDP of 450

1:40:03 So, you know the question is who is Euroclear and who's behind them? We don't know. They're a clearing house so it's probably the US that is behind in buying our own debt but this is debt that is being sold off by Russia, by the Chinese, by the Japanese and being purchased by Belgium of all places. Well Euroclear is a Belgian based operation Yes But they are just, in fact they used to be if you go back to the 90s Euroclear was a JP Morgan bank or outfit. It was founded by JPMorgan in 1968 so it's not new. Right but they've been buying up a lot of US treasuries. Let's keep that interest rate way down

1:40:53 It's been working. You know, people always moan and groan about all this printing money quote unquote when it's kind of...it's printing virtual money since most of this is not like cash being printed and it is really I think one of the great tricks No disagreement there that has brought up the Kept us from a Great Depression right, but it can't go on a cave in on it It seems like I can't go on for it won't but it'll be very similar what happened in 1857 and what happened in 1857 the first official true American depression And how bad was that?

1:41:32 Well, it only lasted a couple of years. I mean the Great Depression which was during the Roosevelt administration because there was lot of those mishandled lasted probably up close to a decade most people believe on you know kind of a decade since the initial crash in 29 The big depression that happened in 1857 which is Triggered a number of things the main thing I believe it triggered was books about it This happened in the 70s there's all kinds of books that came out Oh, we're gonna all die and these old mostly naysaying books trying to analyze what happened In 1857 when the economy collapsed It was so bad. It was considered the first the worst depression We've ever had and I think it lasted about two three years max

1:42:22 until about 1860, things changed because we had the war. But it generated all these books and most of these books are still around they've been scanned some of them are still available you can read through them and they have all this analysis but why this happened? And my favorite analysis is I've read a lot of these books My favorite analysis because it had a laundry list of how why did this happen was too much gold Really? Yeah, and that is the equivalent to me at least of the way we're printing money is this equivalent of gold because back then there was a gold rush from 1849 on. There was something like $3 trillion or 15 trillion dollars of today's money pumped into the economy where people walking down the stream and essentially finding money as its equivalent and putting it into circulation which is the same to me as printing money

1:43:14 And it was too much of it. There was just too much gold in the system, and it just collapsed economy That's one of the thesis you know what you should do I don't want to hear it I'm not listening You should write a book about this subject All right enough with that there are lots of links in the show notes under the heading SDR if you're inclined I Don't have them. I mean, I'm just pointing this stuff out. I don't really have any any proof of anything. No, we'll see I mean there's a difference in the pudding as it were you know what did happen last night Friday night was it Friday? I think so yeah Miss Mickey and I sat down to watch some Orange is the New Black

1:44:03 You know, before you go on Mimi coincidentally decided to start watching Orange is the New Black and I'm gonna tell you this in advance so you don't dig yourself into a horrible pit. I said to her, why are you going to watch that? That...I've tried watching it. It sucks! And she said no. She says men won't like it because it's a total chick series and she mentioned that there is a lot of these chick oriented shows like girls is one of them she claims written by women produced by women, starring women for women. Uh-huh Okay that's the end I just wanted to put that out there Well... Did you enjoy it? Well as you know John i am not just a man

1:44:59 Now I saw the first series, enjoyed it very much. Particularly for the realistic portrayal of hot lesbian sex by cute chicks! This is... if you have not and tuned in around episode 4 of season 1 that's some better than Tumblr And I know me some Tumblr Now, we saw two episodes but for the first time interestingly enough and we have Comcast no we have Time Warner here I'm sorry. Same thing not yet it will be well know that and not when it comes to the peering arrangements We had a very interesting how this worked very interesting I took believe it to be a total farce bullcrap propaganda move on Netflix's part

1:45:55 We would start it up, and at 25%—and we use a Roku. At 25%, it would hang loading... It would hang and then it would dump out to the screen saying, uh, we cannot show you this particular piece of content right now please try again later or play something else And then I'd select something else that would play just fine Which of course is bull crap. Thank you very much totally behind the equal bits It should be Netflix well it so this is Netflix throwing this up Yeah, and now I don't have Verizon as you as I said we have time Warner But Verizon was getting a different message And I just want to probably saw that's just one to play this for a second This is from Bloomberg

1:46:43 Not just for the story, but also for an interesting new phrase. playback issues, but there's a range of factors and Netflix relies on quote a panoply of content distribution and other middleman networks to reach its customers trying to lower its cost as much as possible. The cost quality trade-off is one Netflix has chosen." Netflix responding, quote this is about consumers not getting what they paid for from their broadband provider. We're trying to provide more transparency just like we did with the ISP speed index and Verizon is trying to shut down that discussion." Now we don't need to have the entire conversation again about packet inequality but I did want to point out I like the word panoply

1:47:43 Okay, have you do you know what this word means? You know I used to panoply it means an impressive amount of Which is I thought was kind of cool. I can a splendid or striking array a panoply of colorful flag panoply It's a good word Yeah, a panoply of paparazzi. Nobody knows what it means but well good sounding words It sounds very good and it has a nice definition that now I wanted to point out one angle of this conversation That is not brought up enough if at all are you on twit today? No Oh good then I can go out for a walk with Mickey okay so Part of the problem, I think we have discussed it briefly but it's not brought up enough is streaming

1:48:34 Why does this have to be streaming in fact? Podcasting the idea I had that Dave Weiner incorporated into the enclosure of RSS was download make available Download and play yes Download in the background so you don't even know it and then play this This could end caching, and there's a million ways. This could be fixed but because of the licensing That is why it has to be streamed, you see. It can't be stored on an ISP's internal servers... ...it all has to be streamed and this if anything I would say Netflix is in violation of good network etiquette by constantly forcing end users to start up a new stream And that is purely because their licensing model

1:49:27 There's no reason technically that it has to work this way. And just imagine if you said, hey you know what? It's coming out the orange is the new black Just download the whole series to my box the minute it comes out or even do that in the background Maybe I can't play until Friday night at midnight whatever it is That would solve everything but that's not how The Hollywood Model works and this is a very and not an often discussed issue. No, it's never discussed. I just wanted to throw that out there but... I agree with you too. And here let me ask you this going further since Netflix produced

1:50:10 a couple of these series. Which they have the license to themselves, they can do anything they want! So they could download and play it like okay you get a Netflix subscription and you can download and play in other words just download The Whole Orange is the New Black and play it at your leisure because its not as though there running commercials or anything else you might as well have a copy Good point. And I believe that they would have the right... Well, I don't know their entire ownership structure of House of Cards or Orange is the New Black Or any of those series But anyway It's a real problem that is not discussed and it just-it's sad The whole thing is just sad It's sad that that's what you know? You know what? I'll watch-I'll pay to watch Orange Is The New Black on my cable box! I just want to see it. I don't need it streaming from Netflix

1:51:01 It's good. I like it, I want to see it But if they're going to do this bullcrap and start cutting off at 25% while everything else works fine You're full of shit Netflix No, it has to be full of crap because they can stream anything they want any way they want and you'd think they would give their own content higher priority. It wouldn't be a big deal to do that. It wouldn't be a problem They could do whatever they want but they've decided to choke off the one thing that is probably pretty popular along with House of Cards when it first comes out as very very popular To make a point so they can get the message across And by the way its only going to get worse Now I'm very saddened by this

1:51:41 Maybe that's why they had to get rid of the gay hater. Mozilla is now incorporating DRM streaming media crap into their browser, you know anything about this? No I don't know anything about this Yeah it's part of some...I'm sure some great standard HTML streaming DRM crap And so, you know they're gonna jump onto the DRM bandwagon so that you can then stream Netflix to your brow. The streaming thing is dumb! It's dumb- You know what? it's just dumb I've never understood this streaming... I mean, y'know, I understand for sports events there are a whole bunch of reasons for it

1:52:30 And I'm on the fence in a way because we stream our show live and I do like having the live audience, although they're on a delay that's a little too long so it doesn't even make sense when they say something. Right... Five minutes later! That's not right! Adam doesn't read the chat room! No but it's-I'm on three topics down the road So, you know of course as a program maker I appreciate that. But the evening news is not... You don't need to have Brian Williams sitting there live he could pre-tape everything all his segments are pre taped it's just not like local news yeah someone on the spot and its all...you know what? Not even that! Yeah I'm here where the accident occurred five hours ago on the bridge with flashing lights

1:53:22 You're being fooled into thinking it's important. But then, particularly for this content... It does not have to be streamed! It just makes no sense. Technically makes no sense in fact quite the opposite That would solve a lot of problems A lot! Well but its counter-trend to not stream because everything we move as things moved with the cloud and we get all this stuff off our desk and all we have is a terminal Not me brother and you move it all up to the cloud, everything has to be streamed because everything works off the cloud. And I'm like well... Well me neither! I've got eight terabytes of storage here that costs next-to-nothing why would i want to move in some place where its gonna be a bandwidth issue? Even if I had everything on the cloud what's my connection at the cloud compared to my gigabit ethernet

1:54:12 In the home with a gigabit ethernet or USB 3 connectivity. It's ridiculous that I would choose the sluggish cloud. What is the point of that? Why is somebody trying to trick me into using the sluggish cloud?" I don't know, man! It's a trick though, that's for sure... The sluggish cloud Yeah, sluggish. For those of you who will be watching Twit I guarantee you this will be a topic of the so-called internet troll that is poised to perhaps receive up to just shy of 1% of all iPhone and iPad sales Who's this? This is actually it's very interesting company Let me see where is this...I have it here

1:55:10 The name... This has been a big lawsuit that's been going on. VernetX, V-I-R-N-E-T X. iPhones, iPads and Macs infringe on their VPN patents And it's an interesting case for two reasons. From a legal standpoint, interesting because Apple kind of overstepped their boundary and their bounds in trying to get rid of this. This company is very...this Vernet X, or their lawyers I guess are pretty smart. They figured out a way to show at least one district judge

1:55:52 that Apple was behind this other company trying to initiate an IPR, which is a patent review in the patent process. And then Apple basically got busted on it but what's interesting about this and the reason why I bring it up... This Vernet X owns the patents from a company that you might have heard of called Science Applications International Corporation SAIC Are you familiar with this outfit? I know SAIC, yes. SAIC staffed and managed historically by spooks. Right! Total Spook Operation CIA and i'm thinking that there will be a miraculous settlement between Apple and VernetX formerly known as SAIC And we'll never really find out the terms but i'm thinking this is where Apple gets compromised with backdoors

1:56:47 where the compromise really takes place. Because 1% of Apple's revenue, their hardware or whatever it is they're selling? That's a lot of money and I think Tim Cook will buckle. Have Dr. Dre do the negotiations That whole thing with Dr. Dre reminds me so much of the House of Lies by, with Don Cheadle series which I think people should watch it's quite entertaining. It's a consultant firm yeah it's really a good series that has nice pacing is nice while we're on predictions just want you to know Twitter

1:57:34 Public illicit company of course is a big trouble because I don't know they don't know how to make money something like that. Their stock price on close Friday $33.33! Yeah. I think there's some information there you might want to take advantage of? Yeah, but is it shorted or long-ed? It's gotta be a short... Regardless of how you win on that news when you win think of us Yes please

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2:05:52 Haiti. There's a lot going on with elections in case you hadn't noticed We now have, uh... In Egypt of course we have Sisi now being the Being elected the head honcho he is perfect for the job IMF Christine Lagarde has already personally told him hey Welcome! We'll hook ya up with whatever you need and never- And the investment community is very happy with Sisi being there in Egypt We have of course Assad who has been re-elected. Who else do we have? We have some shenanigans going on in Venezuela, and we have problems in Haiti now of course Haiti as we know was... That is so weird that there would be problems in Haiti! You'd expect it after all the billions of dollars that went into rebuilding the place

2:06:44 Yeah, and also the people that put the punched in tent on their phone or whatever. And yeah, and the whole show that George Clooney, The telethon... Every country had a telethon! Billions of dollars I think it was eight or ten billion dollars that all run through Let's see President Bush's Nonprofit and the Clinton Global Initiative We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water Just send your cash. And of course then we had the first guy who wanted to become president, he was... his head got too big for him What was his name again? The guy who was like on the jet hanging out and they got him out of the way before they got sweet Mickey Martelli in Yeah, the other guy. The other performer. The other musician But you know ultimately the population of Haiti

2:07:40 I think they are the, to date the only country that has gotten out of slavery. They were enslaved to France and they said you know what France why don't you stick it? We'll pay back the money which of course they never really did So you got to be careful, these Haitians they can get riled up. Haitians have taken to the streets of Port-au-Prince calling for the resignation of President Michel Martelly and fresh elections amid growing political anger in the Caribbean nation an estimated 5 000 people marched through the center of the capital to protest against what they claim is a lack of action by authorities

2:08:18 to alleviate hunger and tackle a cholera epidemic which the United Nations brought upon them despite starting off. And we should also mention the United Nations refuses, even though it's a known fact they brought it in to take responsibility of course. Peacefully the protest quickly escalated with riot police firing tear gas to disperse the crowd as protesters burn tyres and block streets. Anti-government protests in Haiti have become increasingly common in recent months, as discontent grows over perceived government corruption and a lack of change in the impoverished country

2:08:54 since a catastrophic earthquake in 2010. President Martelly, who is midway through his six-year term has accused his opponents of fermenting instability discouraging foreign investments and blocking legislation that would help the country. There you go! A slayer's revolting this is crazy shoot some tear gas at him poor people hundreds of thousands still without homes money stolen My assholes, oh but love that Clinton Hotel. Yeah yeah yay! We got that nice little they're making basket- they're weaving baskets there right near the Clinton Hotel This is definitely one of my pet peeves I don't need to play The Jingle but... What was The Jingle? Adam Curry's pet peeve Oh yeah, now it wasn't enough you weren't No I don't think it was- You weren't No this has been going on for years It's been riled up enough It's been going on for years this

2:09:54 Well, I've got a little series of clips here that might be interesting. Okay So i'm watching Charlie Rose interview doing like what are they called? Debriefing tell me about this sexuality it's in your DNA And so I got a couple of clips. I want Charlie Rose and Carney in the percent This is kind of an interesting clip this is the percentage known another was how smart as the White House? Staff that get a press corps image would you say reporters covering the White House every day whose business it is to understand and discover what's going on What percentage of what's actually going on do you think they know or can know I think The good ones

2:10:39 No 15% 20 percent and because they're good Reasonably and carefully extrapolate a little beyond that 15% Wait, this is Jay Carney outgoing spokeshole of the White House saying that in general on average The White House Press Corps Have a clue about 15 or 20% of what's really going on? Yeah, but he said and and where is he going to get his next job I think. I don't know maybe he's gonna work for the interceptor whatever Hey they published a new story The Intercept

2:11:23 Great. Yeah, grand re-enactment. So it goes on and then this was the most interesting one because this actually refers to our show and this is the revealing Kerry comment about coverage. I mean if you look at News media cover Washington and politics they and especially the networks in TV, but but everyone More and more. They felt like everything is focused on the White House they used to have reporters covering the agencies and And subcommittees on Capitol Hill it's all fun now It's just sort of this is the locus of power The locus of power? It's a locus

2:12:00 So, in other words what we do when we watch C-SPAN is way beyond what the media does nowadays. Of course, we've known this but I've never heard anyone say it they just cover the White House whatever the White House says so we go and listen to these obscure committee hearings and the rest of it. So, I ran into one as though when I was teasing on last show it's an environmental Committee that was for people it was a subcommittee of the big committee that is run by boxer Which is essentially the global warming yes, I saw the I saw the boxer one she man. She's a dick Yeah, she's at all when she runs that committee is like and you got ten seconds left Yes, she's a horrible person yeah

2:12:41 Well, the subcommittee which consisted of the senator from Rhode Island, this guy Markey. The guy I think is from Massachusetts and then Weicker and Sessions and they're the two Republicans. They brought on 2 experts one of them was talked to talked about wildfires he's the wildfire expert in the other one was a general or generalist than he was on his more climate science guy. The wildfire guy went on and every time they asked him anything, he says no that's not there's not global warming we've known this before we've heard these testimonies with the global warming. The main problem that you had is that people are moving into these areas so when a fire breaks out all of their resources have to protect these homes. Yeah more stuff is destroyed because they're there right? By protecting the homes it has less resources actually stop the fires so that's one reason for so many of these fires

2:13:35 Meanwhile, because they're not listening the two Democrats aren't listening to any of this and then we had the Rhode Island senator who decides and this is a Rhode Island Senator clip decides upon himself to go off the deep end with personal anecdotes you know to verify what you know the kind thing they've always criticized everybody else for about how the fishing has changed. It's ruining in the world because of global warming when play this I appreciate that planting trees helps reduce carbon, but it hardly offsets the coal plant next door that's putting out tens of thousands of tons of carbon dioxide. The 50 worst carbon plants in the country put out more carbon than Korea

2:14:23 Is it North and South or just north or just south, or is it just Korea? They put out more than Korea. What? Korea is the size of what? It's the size of Maine? Pretty industrialized country And we are seeing these effects in New England. We are. Senator Sessions was pleased to bring up that there is actually additional rain falling in the Northeast, not only is there additional rainfall in the Northeast just as the climate projections expect but it's falling in more powerful rain bursts.

2:15:03 You know, I thought the whole first of carbon pollution. Uh, I'm surprised he didn't say carbon pollution but now it's rain bursts which are clearly clearly climate just as the climate experts predicted justice and those more powerful rainbursts causing repeated damaging flooding we have had year after year of hundred-year floods in Rhode Island We've had one that hit the 500 year level in Cranston, Rhode Island and it just keeps coming. Like Senator Merkley we're an ocean state and... Okay I have to say something about this God I wish my mom was alive she would be peeing her pants right now My mom grew up in Rhode Island

2:15:47 And she told me all a lot about the tidal waves and about the water coming all the way up to basement, coming into the kitchen. This is not new! No We're talking 60 years ago this had... Yes you are an ocean state yes! Yeah! This happens! Hello there's an ocean there. And no one was talking about climate change back then Oh, you know that this is not... ummm.... That this is no coincidence. You know that we had uhhhh..... UNWED! UNWED? Yes, UNWED! What's UNWED?! World Environment Day! Oh yeah right. UNWED and you-and you know what the slogan is? Uhhhhh Get Wed? Nooo Here is the blogger The vlogger I'm sorry who won the United Nations competition for best video

2:16:46 With the slogan of the UNWED World Environment Day. You'll have to listen, but it gets repeated for the entire video. Raise your voice not the sea level. Alright I can't stand it. Raise your voice not the sea level This is the meme you see And what is happening is you're... I love that one! Raise your voice, not the sea level. And of course you get little islands that, y'know, that- You get tectonic shifts in the plates and you get erosion and what they're saying is we're drowning We're drownin', the sea level is- it's- we're drowning because the ice is melting, we're drowning It's bullshit

2:17:39 Well, I'm on the bay and i can see the horse track and it has a parking lot. And I've been at this parking lot... The parking lot is about three feet above sea level or bay level which is sea level because you know it's part of the ocean. And I have never even seen that thing flooded even once! And you're in ocean state? We're in ocean state Anyway, so the guy goes on and on and he's this is the senator giving testimony essentially for for Markley who was just a complete asshole And this goes on and they every time one of the two guys testifying say anything. They guys well You know the way there's fishes have changed We got different fish that we fish now because of climate change to go on does you have that? Does he have that actual voice I

2:18:26 Well, that's the voice of the Rhode Island guy. Only he talks really dumb and sounds dumber. I like it! Now so anyway this goes on and on so Weicker finally gets up And he is tired of this and So he... This is his little comment with one of the guys trying to give testimony This is Weicker on environment Thank you very much Senator Vinner, Senator Wicker. Wicker? Thank You Mr Chairman I have to say this I have not today or have i ever in a committee hearing insulted the integrity of witnesses on the other side of an issue and we have come perilously close to that in this committee today. And it's been suggested by my friend from Rhode Island that Dr South and Dr Leagate are part of a fringe

2:19:35 And to me, this is the very kind of public intimidation and insulting rhetoric that Professor Lee Gates has talked about having experience at the University of Delaware. I take exception to it. Now Dr. Lee Gates you are a signatory of the Oregon petition are you not? Yes sir. That Oregon petition says there's no scientific, there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide and methane or other greenhouse gases is causing a will in the foreseeable future cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption to the Earth's climate. I assume this is some petition that you

2:20:24 fringe scientists from Oregon got together and signed. Is that correct? No, I believe there's 30-some thousand people who have signed up to do it. Thirty some thousand people! Would you describe these people? Many of them are scientists, PhDs in other disciplines, uh...people who are connected with climate change and doing research in various areas associated with it. Deniers!! Well, I just have to say I appreciate someone standing up and challenging the conventional wisdom. You know, Martin Luther did that. Martin Luther King did that And so I appreciate some people who are willing to hold up their hand and say wait a minute i've got some data here That I would like to suggest is the contrary position Well I wouldn't put myself quite in that category Well but it is an important issue

2:21:19 And I have to say, I admire you for standing up and Dr. South also for standing up and saying that you have a right to be heard and a right to be listened to and a right not to be insulted by being called part of the lunatic fringe. Now you've concluded uh... that the that droughts in the united states are more frequent mortars during colder periods is that correct and i think it will be the data seem to get okay we look at droughts over last two thousand years old no they tend to become more intense and more frequent when the temperatures have become colder obviously a republican

2:22:03 So this guy and the other guy they presented all this data about all this stuff, you know essentially the denialist Yes horrible horrible lies They were so they go on and on with this stuff. And then at the very end Markey Ed Markey the moron from Massachusetts Here's the way he wraps it up Thank you very much to all of our witnesses. I appreciate you bringing your expertise to bear We have heard today that climate change is having impacts on the ground Right now, there's no abstract theory It's not about models decades or multiple decades Changes in the ground right now are real and measurable Measurable acting American even said measure like we say it livelihoods

2:22:56 in farming, in hunting and fishing and forestry. No! These are real jobs and jobs real impact generation and then the next we've heard about bark beetle infestations Locusts! We have heard about migrations of fish Fish? Yeah from the other senator! To find wildfires Wildfire! The impact of magnified droughts The impact of more acidic oceans in the Pacific, their impacts on oyster reproduction. I just have to wonder about if baby oysters are having troubles forming a shell

2:23:38 How many other shellfish impacts are there that are going to be problematic for the food chain? Oh, won't somebody please think of the children! In our oceans and our fisheries. So these things are real at this moment when they confront us with evidence that must not be ignored Certainly, this is in the context of a debate at this moment about specific measures that we might take to limit carbon dioxide including that from cold-fired power plants and the cost of ignoring climate change will continue to increase. The costs are real. Real? The costs are tangible they will affect jobs they affect our rural resources Yes

2:24:32 Did this guy even listen to the- The science is in! No, of course not. I watched this whole thing that the testimony was exactly the opposite of his conclusions He's either a shill and idiot or God knows what but this is the kind of thing that gets me you know Of course he's essentially grandstanding here You take a clip from that as opposed to actually listening for the hearing Oh god we're all gonna die Yeah well And I found just to be the most disgusting thing And this is one of those obscure things that was not on C-SPAN. I actually dug this out of the archives, all the... Of the Senate It just astonished me! Well there's a lot of this going on as you know This is the president's push to have the EPA encourage, I'm sorry regulate power plants To lower their carbon pollution by 30% and by the way The year that it's supposed to happen

2:25:28 2030 I'd like to point out that that is the year. I called as an important year here is Alice Hill now She's the person that does get recorded and quoted in used everywhere she is the senior advisor To the two homeland security And she's here talking about climate change. Yes, just so you know that's according to Kerry and he should know It is, after all global climate warming. Global climate warming and there's a reason she saying that which I'll get to in a moment Okay Other nations around the world... I'm sorry this is out of phase for some reason but we just have to live with it ...are also viewing this as a national security risk as your governance piece That IS part of the governance piece The American Security Project surveyed every country in the world and asked if climate change was included in their national security strategies

2:26:34 and 70% of nations said that it was. We know, for example, that climate change will affect water security, energy systems and as Susan has mentioned the stability of our critical infrastructure It could for example affect our military mission if our key military bases were severely damaged by extreme weather or if they're just threatened by sea level rise so we have to be thinking where are we going to move them? We have to move the bases because of these severe sea level rise. Now, she said climate global warming. Yeah! There's a reason for this as you know the Yalies have for awhile now had this Climate Change Communication Project which is part of the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies

2:27:32 And a report came out, they studied this stuff. Remember this is the climate change communication and I didn't clip it but John Stewart did a thing the other day and he literally...I'll use that word brings in the shills from the Climate Change Communication Division from Yale to talk about climate change not necessarily a climatologist or meteorologist, but someone from the climate change communications group. Which is just astounding to me it's a PR firm essentially this report is studied the impact of the words global warming versus the word climate change

2:28:20 Preface, I have the report here. It's marked up in the show notes 624.noagenitnotes.com This report is based on findings from a biannual series of nationally representative survey studies climate change in the American mind conducted by The Yale Project on Climate Change Nice! Yeah this is a very interesting little report and it's about 33 pages always wonderful And I'll give you a little bit from the executive summary. This report provides results from three studies that collectively find that global warming and climate change are often not synonymous, they mean different things to different people and activate different sets of beliefs feelings and behaviors as well as different degrees of urgency about the need to respond So...the reason it was changed to climate change versus global warming is because

2:29:14 Essentially, the warming has stalled or been put on pause as is... For a decade. Yeah But, unfortunately... And the models by the way. The reason that happened is well there's a lot of different explanations but because the original models, they way they were designed increased CO2 would always result in increased warming Yes It was a one to one thing and then when it crapped out it stopped being 1-1 in reality not in computer models then they all panicked. Everyone panicked and said, we're not getting the funding... I've always believed this is a desperation situation because there's a bunch of money involved." Well there's a real problem and here it is from this survey done by Yale, an established institution We found that the term global warming is associated with greater public understanding emotional engagement and support for personal and national action than the term climate change

2:30:14 How much does that suck? For example, the term global warming is associated with greater certainty that the phenomenon is happening especially amongst men generation X 31 to 48 and liberals. Greater understanding that human activities are the primary cause among independents Greater understanding that there is a scientific consensus about the reality of the phenomenon among independents and liberals. More intense worry about the issue, especially among men – Generation Y, 18-30, Generation X, Democrats, Liberals and Moderates! a greater sense of personal threat, especially amongst women—the great generation 68+, African Americans, Hispanics, Democrats, Independents, Republicans, Liberals and Moderates. And higher issue priority ratings for action by the President and Congress, especially among women Democrats, Liberals and Moderates."

2:31:05 Our findings strongly suggest that the terms global warming and climate change are used differently, I mean different things in the minds of many Americans. And they have all kinds of graphs etc., but bottom line... Global warming works! Climate change not so! By contrast, the use of the term climate change appears to actually reduce issue engagement by Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Moderates as well as a variety of subgroups within the American society including men women minorities different generations and across political and partisan lines. Uh-oh! So I think they're gonna try and move this too global climate warming thing

2:31:51 Global climate warming. Thank God! Global warming has to be in there because people don't respond, in fact it detracts the... They gotta get the climate word out of there they got to just go back to global warming but if it doesn't warm if its constantly cold and the lakes are frozen this is yes this is a problem the lack of warming Yes! There's been a rockin' hard place So I think they've got to come up with something else. They've tried climate disruption, none of that works. Global climate warming is too many words! Well yeah but this is very serious business

2:32:28 Well, I like that. By the way, I give you 100 points for finding that report because that actually shows the public relations aspect to the whole thing and why it got so politicized. And is actually scandalous, to be honest in my opinion? That report and what they're trying to do to the American public and the world public as a matter of fact is scandalous. This is pure out out-and-out manipulation of the mindset of the American public. It's a shame for them to be doing that, and it's not just about It is important to note, however that connotative meanings are dynamic and change sometimes rapidly. It is possible that with repeated use climate change will come to acquire similar connotative meaning as global warming, that the two will eventually become synonymous for most people or that climate change will supplant global warming as a dominant term in public discourse

2:33:29 In the meantime, however, the results of these studies strongly suggest that the two terms continue to mean different things to many Americans. So I think we will see a barrage of climate change, climate change, climate change... Maybe your original observation where the term global climate change or no global climate warming is just a transitional term to go back to global warming. Well, it better get warm if they want to use it. I bet you they're banking on the following for one thing you have to have a big disaster or something that you know... Yeah! That's what I'm waiting for. You need a big disaster or you need actually for the chart to change even though I don't think it's going to. Uh, I think they'll really would- The way to come back on this is define those guys from the 70s who are still all in on global cooling

2:34:24 Bring that thing about the brush fires being a result of cooling, which was ignored by this idiot Markey who should be voted out of office for being stupid. And then start pumping that into the public consciousness and see what happens I think that would be much funnier. Well there's apparently half the guys in the 70s doing the global cooling things, half them switched over to global warming The other half stuck with their guns and they're still on the global cooling side. We need to find them! Well maybe, if I look at what the US Postal Service is doing... Very disappointing by the way as you know we are big supporters of the USPS They have come out with a new stamp which is the sea surface temperatures

2:35:13 So maybe they'll make global sea warming or sea surface temperature, something like that. Because you know it's scary when you say hey... I think there is a combo between the sea warming and raise your voice not the sea level. There is going to be something like that. Maybe they are going to focus on the sea? Yeah, the sea is always good to focus on. It's kind of scary. What in hell is going on with the sea? The sea man! We don't want anything to do with the sea Is Michelle Obama running for Senate? Why? That's what a lot of people are saying. I haven't heard this Oh really?! Yeah, really! Oh no, i hear this all over the place Where is she gonna run for... why is she gonna run for Senate What exact qualifications does she have except well you say the same thing about Hillary Well she signs bills we know that She signed her food bill in uh These rumors are pretty strong let me see where did I pick this up on like some apparently there's a guy up in Kirk

2:36:18 in Chicago is up, in 2016. I think she might replace him... I think she could win! Did you see her at Maya Angelou's funeral? Yeah She could win in Illinois which is corrupt anyway and they can just flip a switch and she wins But does she really want that job? That's, you know... I don't know. People are saying that she didn't-I don't know it was just a rumor. Unless she wants to run for president. Yeah good luck! I mean that's the Hillary only reason Hillary ran for Senate and there are fixed rigged You know she never lived in New York her whole life now next thing you know She's a senator right so she could run for president which crapped out on her And i think this next round is gonna crap out on her too. I think she's done Tomorrow night we get the big Diane Sawyer interview

2:37:07 About the book? The book tour interview you mean. Well, yeah but it's the big no holds barred, any question goes ask me whatever you want! Drunk again, late at night and I'm drunk again... So she was at- by the way I saw a piece of this interview and Hillary looks dynamite how old is she now? She 68? Yeah, Elizabeth Warren is 64 and she looks better. I mean She's not uniquely qualified to run the Empire like Hillary. I know but she's uniquely qualified to win Hi, I'm sorry man Hilary's no It's all right You know every time you're all I can see is that as you go on and on with your denialism

2:37:56 It's just gonna come back and bite you in the ass. Okay, all right well You know I'd be careful you know what people who go against Hillary seem to get shot in the face Well unless somebody shoots Elizabeth Warren which can happen She has no way to raise the money John forget about it The Clintons have all the money Raise her your way off on that one now she does not have shown her chops at raising money Wall Street does not want her There's no way. She cannot raise a billion dollars, it's going to take a billion dollars to become president. Here is what happens that may or may not be true but it's the primaries where Hillary gets wiped out by her Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, Democrats like her message

2:38:48 Democrats are all in when it comes and they don't like Hillary. Nobody likes Hillary, the democrats have given an opportunity The only thing Hillary's got going for her is she's a woman Well we gotta get a woman in to definitely have to be a democrat The first woman president has to be a democrat We gotta vote a democrat woman in Boom! There's your alternative Oh god, we do not have to vote in Hillary Let's vote for this woman Wow you really think that huh? Yes, all right. Well if Elizabeth Warren is the candidate for the Democrats That'll be a shoe and anybody with with with two legs You don't have to have legs and the Republican Party will win no There's no way that Republicans can beat her really get used to it Wow Elizabeth Warren our next president oh Man, that's it. That's a frightening thought

2:39:39 Well, the thing is she's just gonna knuckle under to everybody else. What I do is bring in... what's his name? The CIA guy, Petraeus. Petraeus may actually run! Yeah and he would slaughter her, I'm sure No Hey remember, I'm from the future boy. Yeah well you apparently didn't pay much attention to politics when you're out there in the future Okay I don't think Petraeus can beat anybody He's got the chops, but he's too petraeus-y. You know? He's got to you gotta remember him in that uniform with all that crap! You know it looks like a Generalissimo from Chile in the 60s... He just looks.. he's too arrogant and full of himself because that was the indicator to me and the little badge. She probably still wear the badges. The little bakelite badge. Bakelite badge so no he hasn't gotten now. He doesn't have people don't he's not likable Elizabeth Warren is

2:40:33 Really? You watch her go, oh yeah she looks like my mom. I can tell you how Hillary can win if i were her strategist here's what I'd do...I would get in close to the primary and come out and show my spouse, my partner Uma Abedin. Oh no! Bam baby bam! She's loose. She's gay AND she's a woman Yeah, no. Winner! No that's not a winner. That's the total winner. That is exactly the opposite because here is the problem with that The Democrats who would be all in on somebody being gay it's not a problem if they were gay Not if they've been hiding the truth She comes out! She's not trustworthy now Your strategy is wrong If Hillary actually gets nominated

2:41:26 I mean, beats Elizabeth Warren in the primaries. I'll be surprised now it's not that she can't she has you know a lot of machine but and her choice of people that doubted how did she lose to Obama? I mean is the example she was a shoe-in It was all set up for her and she just, Obama walked all over her. And she had a bunch of incompetents running her campaign which is gonna be the same thing because they're all our buddies it's just I don't see it...I don't see how you can...and this ready for Hillary campaign is already crapping out. All I know is that she uniquely qualified and I pray to the Lord my Savior every single night that she becomes president because that will make our show much more interesting for at least four years. Elizabeth? With Warren?

2:42:12 Hey, Kaiser Alexander went on the Christiane Annapur show and again something has changed with CNN. I don't even know if Zucker's in charge anymore Something has happened where they get to bust people's butts about stuff And so Keith Alexander used to run the NSA known as The Kaiser He's now been replaced by The Admiral Literally The Admiral Oh there I said it again i should stop doing that And here he is... I'm glad you're catching yourself, because I should- You do it too. We both do it. Did I say literally? Yeah, you have said a couple times. Well then honk the horn! He goes on the Christiana Annanpurpur show and starts lying. Lying!! It's almost like that global warming climate change thing you just played

2:43:06 He's lying. We know that the president's advisory committee said, yeah you should stop this metadata crap right? Isn't that what they said remember they put them down in the basement of some C-SPAN 4 like Go over there. And we know that every single, except for I guess the something in New York Times everything else has been no this is crap this has to change so here he is lying Can you tell me honestly whether you get the reset that is needed To regain the trust of the American people and the trust of the world? Do you get it? I'm not talking about taking the programs off the table I think what we've done a terrible job in Is explaining what those programs do

2:43:51 You know that all the review groups that have looked at what NSA has done, has found out it's legal. It is what they are authorized and effective. No! You can see what the presidential review group has done? Yeah. What Judge Pauli found? In each case... Everyone has substantiated that this is the right approach. But these two groups that you just now mentioned, the review group, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board has concluded that the program was unnecessary and should be discontinued. Now thank you very much Christiane Ampour I have faith in you again! I had lost it a little bit...I thought she was all-in and shilling and there she's now saying oh this is not true but now

2:44:42 This is where Kaiser Alexander, I don't know what he's doing. No one has the gall to do that to me! Yeah well... He should get some advice on media training essentially. He just said it you know we didn't do a good job in the media yeah that's true and he's on the very week The very week that something happened in this regard, he uses this analogy as an answer. When you're trying to solve a terrorist puzzle we're going to give our analysts some tools it's like solving the jeopardy or wheel of fortune You get a number...a set of letters that you can guess each of those letter are tools And here is how that works in America This Week on Wheel Of Fortune

2:45:28 Did you see that? Did you see that Wheel of Fortune? Right. Yeah, it was so... It was the most obvious one ever and the guy gets it wrong. Something like that he couldn't get it And this is what Kaiser Alexander uses as an example What a moron! today because this falls perfectly within the cycle that we're expecting. You ask some great questions, but I think the concern I have when you start to ask these questions is we've got to have a way of putting the facts out so the American people know because i do think an attack it's going to come and hit us or Europe And then people are gonna swing this right around Yeah! This is the big cyberattack that everybody has been predicting

2:46:33 It's on its way and I'm thinking perfect for the cycle, for the six weeks. Well it seems to be set up... I just don't know if the FBI can do that you know what i mean? Because it has to be an FBI thing! They're having meetings as we speak yeah hmmm Here's what...just, I don't know. We've never predicted accurately except for these bonehead simple ones. The cycle is unpredictable in my opinion and that's one of the beauties of it but if i was going to predict something I would say that we have a cyber attack that takes down a big chunk of the grid

2:47:21 In red states, it had to be red states because you don't want to you know, it'll go though It could be just New York. I mean the same old thing is cascade takes down it and then is blamed on The Iraq Iranians who are then it deny it And it turns out to be Stuxnet or something like that. And we haven't put enough money, I mean, we have all the other stuff where we're following individuals but we haven't put enough money in cyber protection and Richard Clark comes out and grabs some of the money and some these other guys do the same thing and then we all kind of reset how we feel about the NSA. They have to be blameless you can say well the NSA should've stopped it has to be something outside their purviews. That's why makes sense for it happen in Europe as he just said

2:48:07 Mmm, he said that could be here or in Europe and I think why would why would he say just Europe? Why wouldn't you say China or Japan or why Europe is your about much more vulnerable man or soul Korea or Korea? Yeah. No it could be China Japan Indonesia Australia why Europe because I think there's something planned Isn't he with some consultancy now? Isn't it some kind of cyber consultancy? Jump right into a consultancy. I thought he was already there, I thought he was already doing something

2:48:43 Don't know that let's look him up in the Wikipedia. Yeah, you can now you will have to do the While you're doing that I want everyone to keep their eye on the South Stream pipeline project This is a big problem in the European Union this Is in fact the keep your eye on the Bulgarian government The South Stream is a pipeline that would bring gas into Europe from Russia But it's as the name implies, it goes through the south so does not go through the typical route of Ukraine into Turkey. I believe this actually goes straight into... may go to Greece or Italy Serbia also says its going to continue and EU is beside itself They're trying to stop this anyway they can So im thinking maybe a few terrorist attacks Bulgaria and Serbia on deck for some terrorist attacks

2:49:40 Because we cannot, cannot allow Russia to complete the South Stream Pipeline project. To bypass our gateway between the East and the West as Mr. Kerry would have it. Keith Alexander did you know that he was made a four-star general? No. Kind of extra militarily because He was a head of the Cyber Command? No, I didn't. Oh maybe I did know that because they made him head of Cyber Command and then he became a four-star or whatever. Four star, you think he's a four star because if you look at his medals and ribbons he has done nothing! Well... He has the Royal Norwegian Order of Merit. What the hell is that?! Sounds hot. He was a parachutist

2:50:31 Well, there's something to be said for that. He has two parachutist badges one is the senior parachutists badge which is a army badge and then he has the parachutist badge a German badge but does he have a Consultancy no as far as I can tell you still hanging out with his wife okay? At the house. All right, well be interesting to see what? What happens in the next couple of days as we will be keeping an eye on Everything for you You really don't need to look at anything else I mean or listen anything will bring it to you if it's worthwhile I think yeah No, you don't think you know but look for some of these words changing and the climate change actually Has a teaser stop to stop the outro. I'm gonna play something. Oh, I'm sorry

2:51:25 This is something I want to get this out of the way. This was for the last show and it's just wanna play as a teaser for what is going to happen because they're reconvening Benghazi inquiry, and this is a guy discussing lying or not giving testimony before a congressional committee what happens to you, or what should happen to you and is not happening to people. And I think this is very important to listen to. This is the testimony before Congress contempt citation where it's supposed to go. Now could be punished by a fine of up to $1,000 and up to a year in jail

2:52:07 The minimum being, by the way a one month in jail. Now under 2 USC 194 which is a statute that follows very closely after this if a witness refuses to answer questions or appears as witness such as for example Lois Lerner who was recently held in contempt by the court then what happens is the House of the Senate certify to the relevant United States attorney that a witness has refused to answer or appear before a committee. Now in the case of Congress and the House, the relevant U.S. Attorney is the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, a man named Ronald Macon. And under this statute,

2:52:54 his duty shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action. Now note that statute doesn't say that the U.S attorney may or may not bring that matter before a federal grand jury, it says he shall in other words he has to do it unfortunately United States Attorney for the District of Columbia uh, has refused to follow the statute. For example, uh when the Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt of court under this statute he had a legal obligation to bring that contempt citation before a federal grand jury He refused to do that We don't know yet whether he's going to once again refuse to follow the law with regard to the Lerner, um, contempt citation Uh but if he does refuse to do so

2:53:47 then it will not be a good sign for this committee because if there are any witnesses that refuse to answer questions or appear before and they refer this matter to the U.S. attorney, it'll be up to him to enforce it before a grand jury and unfortunately the lawlessness that has become prevalent in this Department of Justice shown by the refusal of the US Attorney to comply with his federal statute It is a very serious concern and one that, frankly no matter what side of the political aisle you're on you should be worried about. What did Hillary say in her book? I'm not-I'm done with Benghazi! I'm not gonna talk! Screw you! This is all about Hillary she's not going to testify and they're not gonna do a damn thing about it because the Justice Department is corrupt. I just thought that was a very interesting clip.

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