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00:00 We can't afford to do this show. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorah It's Thursday August 22nd 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 541 This is no agenda I'm going Chelsea here in the Travis Heights hideout, capital of the drone star state Austin Texas. In the morning everybody! I am Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where i'm not going chelsea, I'm John C. I stepped all over him. Hold on, what does the C stand for? What are you telling me here? You stepped all over my name! Well you went, I'm John C... WNBC... Dvorak. John C. Dvorak where the c stands for Chelsea. It just stands for cash.

00:50 Wow, I get to play it. Hold on a second where is it? Holy moly! It was that with this...I have seen a lot in my lifetime when it comes to distracting the conversation away from what's really going on but this one was good It was good. I'm wondering, do we have any real verification? Yes we do in fact i have the Today Show Where oh there it is we got wait, but you gotta listen to this. This is the today show with What's your name Savannah? I've never seen her before is this like yeah, Savannah Guthrie Yeah She's hot she's funny because if you see her on a regular talk show they have that show by the way today Show is probably one of the best lit shows yeah morning show totally perfectly I mean yes, sir She has blown out

01:49 She looks ten times better than she actually does. You heard it here first. She's pretty anyway, but I'm just saying she looks...she's jaw-dropping on that show. Oh totally so she's with Bradley Manning's lawyer And the mind meld that takes place in this clip, which we just... So there's a couple. She has like two minutes of preamble which I caught off most of and then all of a sudden the switch comes but pay attention to that. I left like 30 seconds in talking about Mr Manning him he his everything and then all of a sudden were going to switch everything it's a mind meld so my answer would be yes

02:31 Do you think in any way he was used or persuaded or manipulated by WikiLeaks and Assange? I ask that because during this trial, particularly in the sentencing phase You portrayed him as somebody under extreme duress Psychologically damaged dealing with a host of issues. Do you have any concerns about that? And by the way, is Savannah a journalist or a prompter reader? Because she's good! I like how she gets away with it I keep playing it. You check it out, yeah? No the stress that he was under was mostly to give context to what was going on at the time It was never an excuse for his actions because that was not what drove his actions What drove his actions was a strong moral compass

03:15 WikiLeaks had nothing to do with bringing information out of him. He gave information to Wikileaks You mentioned the moral compass, on the other hand if he wanted to expose wrongdoing how does he justify the indiscriminate mass leak of 750 thousand documents that he could not possibly have read or known what was in them? She's really good John What is her background? Is she a J-school graduate? She's actually an Aussie She's from Australia? Well yeah, but she moved to Tucson when she was three. But anyway, graduate- she was in high school, she is a journalist that went to Columbia Missouri five...she's in a sorority for two years now. She's running on NBC, she always wanted..she's a TV girl

03:58 She started KVOA, went to WRC TV. Then she got into Washington DC picked up some big stories and covered the anthrax. Oh well there you go. Well she's a talking head. She was good at it! She was a national trial correspondent for Court TV. She has been in the business but she has always been in media. How did we overlook her? How come didn't snap her up from Evio? We must have... You look at Okay, so we're hearing he him his his and now watch or listen. And it's basically by itself and you would say okay He could read one document can't reach 700 thousand documents but these documents are pretty much the same thing

04:41 And so you can get through a lot of documents realizing that there's not going to be harmful information in these documents and there wasn't. Let's talk about Mr Manning personally. Okay, we've had all this his he Mr Manning He has provided a statement that he wants us to read and this is part of it as I transition into this next phase of my life I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female gay in the way that I feel and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible. I also request that starting today you refer to me by my new name and use the feminine pronoun." Why did she choose this moment? And this goes on for three minutes and they keep saying she, her... Well Chelsea didn't want to... Listen him! He's like right into it. It was right in.

05:31 But just seconds ago it was all Mr. Manning, him... Have this be something that overshadowed the case Wanting to wait until the case was done to move forward To the next stage of her life She wants hormone therapy Fort Leavenworth does not I mean it's like So let me get this straight Let me say something, lemme preface this With I know several transgendered people. Uh, I totally understand what it must be like to you know be born in something that doesn't fit and you want a change and i'm not condemning that at all but this What's happening here where? You know we go- This was the moment you can mark it 7 53 am And it was just a state of mind We all decided Bradley is now Chelsea

06:19 And it was, I think that was phenomenal but thinking of most people in America who watch this television program who are going to be in the upper demo 50 plus. I would say if you really look at the numbers This this it won't work in their brain So they're they're so confused about this that you forget what he was convicted for yeah Well, I think there's another element at play here. Which is a little crackpot II okay? And I'm sorry I hate to take really do some good thing walking on my turf boy But it seems to me as though this is a way to subvert

06:56 the political career of Chelsea Clinton. I thought about it momentarily, but... Yeah you thought about it momentarily because it actually makes some sense that So we don't know if this is actually true This is just a statement that you know a piece of paper and they have they actually have the paper on screen? I love when they do that It's like Bradley Manning letterhead What? Yeah, it's Bray- Riley Manning letterhead. I know! I was like the graphics department whipped this up didn't they and we did I don't do you have letter head do you have John C Dvorak letterhead laying around somewhere Do you have some old letterhead but i never use it because with the printers in the email and Microsoft document maker and all rest of that you can create any letterhead you wanted to drop a hat so I have a bunch of them that I will use if I need one I'll put one up

07:49 But this but I love it when they do that and they have a like a printed letter like Bradley Manning couldn't send an email. I'm sorry Chelsea He decided that no, I'm gonna I'm gonna get my letter head and was positioned in the middle You know just like yeah Exactly so the whole thing to me is like wow This is and and I think somewhere it relates to You know It's gonna come back somewhere you watch it be like well, you know we have Bradley Manning And then you know we have Glenn Greenwald. You know it's the gay cabal There's all kinds of stuff that's gonna happen with this ball is getting on my nerves in this story because of the

08:31 Anderson Cooper and then he has the Brazilian kid on there. The whole thing is getting a little like, well it's a little suspicious of this whole thing it's very fishy. Alright so you think that this is in some ways subverting Chelsea Clinton? Well you have to remember that the leak itself was subverting Hillary I mean, the main person that was targeted in these things was Hillary. Wow! Yes you're right it was all State Department cables You're right So the second thing would be so obviously this is a frontal attack on the Clinton family Wow and then just like orchestrated by God knows who and why? I wish i could have been apart of that meeting though Are we gonna do this? Hey Bill hey Bill I got a great idea What's that Ted

09:24 We're gonna have him change his sex! That poor bastard, you put it through all this trouble he's got 35 years in jail and you're gonna make him change his sex? Yeah. But wait but wait I got an idea let's make him call himself Chelsea. Keep that bitch Hillary from running So, play the 35 years clip. I thought this was kind of an interesting revelation. I didn't realize that when they gave him 35 years because we were so used to the kind of crap that goes on with this administration and the one before... That we don't think much about this but let's put some things in perspective by playing the 35-years clip. She has been covering the Manning trial for The New York Times Charlie a thirty five year sentence seven years perhaps before he gets a chance to be paroled is that considered a tough outcome?

10:12 It is a tough outcome. It is the longest by far sentence ever handed down in the United States, and it case involving the leak of government secrets to the news media to be reported to the public So we're also talking about a reduction rank as well as dishonorable discharge does that add to this thing as well? Well, I think being reduced to the lowest rank of private and a dishonorable discharge was expected in sort of a minor thing. It's the 35-year prison sentence that is an important factor. A staggering amount of time compared to other sentences that have been handed down to convicted leakers.

10:51 What comparable sentences can you draw the link to here? Well, we have to remember that there have been very few convictions of people for leaking information for public consumption at all in this country. The first time that happened was in 1985 or 84 where a a former Navy analyst was sentenced to two years. And it was so rare that President Clinton later pardoned him because it was sort of unfair that this one guy had been convicted for something that happens all the time. Under this administration, of course we've seen as has been well documented a flurry, a crackdown on leaking. There have been a few cases one resulted in the sentence of one year probation and community service. One result in 20 months in prison. One resulted in 30 months in prison. And so 35 years is a categorical difference

11:43 Yeah, what's... This is not no one has paid attention to this. This is really an outrageous sentence as what you're saying compared to everything else we've seen For any leaking of classified information for public consumption that he makes it clear in there In other words this wasn't this was..in fact Brett Manning got more years than a couple guys apparently and I can't get the exact numbers of guys who spied for the Russians and they were true traitors. They weren't leaking anything for public consumption, they were spying as actual spies and they didn't get this kind of sentence This is a very... There's got to be something about all this messaging propaganda

12:28 It seems that now every journalist, as we know there is often no difference between the intelligence services in any country and their news divisions. Not just print but primarily print It seems like we just have a whole bunch of spies all writing stories about each other and yelling back and forth. Nothing is what it seems in this, nothing! Right, the other thing to note is that some of the analysis of this particular

13:05 Case is and you see the code word used a lot chilling effect healing yeah You've actually you you know you alerted us to the word of The use of the word chilling many years ago, and I see it still all the time Yeah It's it's a code word but chilling effect Is what this this supposed have a chilling effect on the media? And just wait But if you look at just what you now said The media is long gone. I mean it's been sold out forever How is it having a chilling effect on the media when the media is sold out? Well, so this is something that I picked up on I've got One second let me bring it up here So here's Glenn Greenwald and this I think is the main point of this exercise is to determine

13:50 Who is a journalist? What is journalism where do you draw the line and perhaps John this is now flowing right into the media shield law so that we can actually define who was going to have quote-unquote protection licenses Yeah, why's this not working hello. That's weird. Let me try it again. This is new Glenn was he carrying classified material with him Well, I'm not going to talk about what he was carrying because that's our work product as journalists. Remember both Laura and I are working with The Guardian as a work product. I got my work product right here. Journalists... What I would say is every single newsroom in the United States, every single major news organization in the world has classified information reporting on what governments do and The Secret is what journalism is about

14:44 So if you want to support the idea that states can just go and confiscate from journalists classified information, you should be demanding that your government goes physically into newsrooms and sees whatever classified information is there. All of the best reporting over the last 40 years involves journalists having classified information—the Pentagon Papers, the Bush torture sites, CIA black sites, the illegal warrantless eavesdropping program That's what investigative journalism is and if you want to start criminalizing that, it means that you're asking as a citizen To be kept ignorant and allow people in power to conceal what they are doing behind the wall of secrecy And have no accountability or transparency. Journalism is not a crime and it is not terrorism. I find this interesting conversation because with this statement and with what happened here

15:29 and I love how everyone or everyone the news media has classified David what's his name Marin what's his name Marine Miranda Miranda whatever as thank you but everyone's classifying him as Glenn Greenwald's partner Now this is a very... This is what calls him his husband or they're not as far as I know, they're not married though. They're not officially married even though they do live in Brazil where gay marriage is legal it was always tolerated now It's officially legal according to the book of knowledge But you know this whole like he's my partner thing There there's a reason for that and it is a very British thing I would say too You some people even call their spouse their partner

16:20 But you know, you're my partner. You know it's like it's not like heyo No, but you know It's like no because I'm a cop so just because you're my partner now you're a cop you know it doesn't really work that way and You know what is the point of David Miranda? Good carrying stuff. Yeah What is the point is it doing you what I missed in the story he had micro fishes microfilm You know it's like what is this this whole thing It makes no sense you can email stuff. You can over some reason you couldn't you can there's a million ways to do this Let's go over just the basics of this entire I think this whole thing is a complete ruse it's a ruse It's beyond the roost it was a setup, and it was done by Glenn Greenwald And let me tell you here's two reasons why why was he on that particular flight when you can fly directly?

17:12 Well, you can't fly directly as a matter of fact. In fact you not only fly directly but if you get to Frankfurt You can fly directly on a Brazilian carrier But let's just go over the flights he did that He had options to take this flight why would and then you have to ask yourself the question Why did it go to Heathrow? So I booked some flights for the Sunday for this upcoming Sunday Which is the same as that you know The same as last Sunday looked at the flights and what was available the best deal to Rio from, by the way there's 76 flights. The best deal is through Lisbon on tap it's $1124 dollars and it takes about 19 hours. And we gotta presume the Guardian are cheapskates so since they apparently were paying for... It's a journalistic operation! It's a cheapskate operation they all are So 1124 that's your deal

18:00 The shortest is through Amsterdam. It's a short flight, it's only $1355 and it's $1921 dollars. That's a lot extra though! A lot more yes... you the first the cheapest flight through Heathrow why would you go through Heathrow knowing that the you know that British intelligence and American intelligence are watching but okay we're gonna go through Heathrow. Why don't you take the $2,600 flight which is a 17-hour flight instead as long as the flight through Lisbon. It's just about 19 hours, really long flight... Which is the cheapest and Lisbon is the cheapest option. And this was it but this is $2900 bucks and to top it off to make you wonder what's the deal because of course the key was that this landed at 805 in the morning when he had a shift change and everything was perfectly set up to get stopped but here's the question I ask you know how do you fly around with June with which is

19:06 Would you take this really expensive flight takes just as long as the cheapest flight and You have to be at the airport. You have to be okay Let me say something else so besides just the logistics and the cost of it Anybody who knows if you're in journalism, and if you eat Oh let's say if your sending your partner along who's carrying journalistic What did he call it? Nothing. No, no he called it our tools of the trade whatever his work product is journalistic work product you don't send someone there's no need to send someone through a non Schengen agreement country which is the UK So if you go from Berlin to Portugal to Amsterdam To any other country in Europe You don't have to go through passport control It's only the UK

19:57 I think this will like maybe Sweden or something, but you this is the old and you know if anyone who's been to London Unless you're going for the duty-free at the airport The process of going through UK customs is almost as bad as the United States except there The guys are all Indian with big turbines on their heads. At least we have like uniforms and guns You know it makes you kind of you know makes you feel like something special happening when you're being let in But there it's like where do you coming from? It's horrible. metropolitan area like this. You have to be at the airport at 5, you have to get up at 4 in the morning! We get it...you're absolutely right. It makes no sense unless you specifically want to be caught

20:56 Right. Okay, so what is your conclusion then? Why... My conclusion is he didn't have anything on him this was another Glenn Greenwald branding exercise Seriously! He got on some shows again now he got on Anderson Cooper and it made a big stink I think the British were completely taken in by it and I think the reason for keeping him for nine hours was I think the reason you do that in this case because you know he had thumb drives. He probably, i'm assuming they hope to get him to take a crap just in case he had a thumb drive up his butt and they could get it out of this shit and so they probably did take a crap and they probably fished through his dung and got embarrassed by this so Greenwald had a big laugh on that

21:45 That was never discussed, by the way. Hey baby! Did you have fun? And so this whole thing was a... and then they also got to make the point that Schedule 7 which is the terrorist thing You can't stop anybody if immediately in fact apparently the British oversight guy is going to look into this. You can't stop and harass some guy No no I've read the legislation This is not true This is not true. Even if you have materials that could be deemed a danger... That's what Jeff Tobin says too, and I have that clip But it's in the section 7. It says it right there So this is no dispute And by the way the same thing happens in America only we don't have a limit of nine hours in America

22:35 We can keep you for weeks, for days whatever and yes none of your stuff is... You have no protection over your stuff. This does bring out the point which maybe Greenwald wanted to do with this bull crap I mean this reminds me of the people who have been, you know TSA supposedly when it was put in place was to look for terrorists, implement some... Please John make it there's a difference between TSA and CPB so you have the border Customs and Border Protection Agency. No but that is not my point. I'm saying that TSA has put in place to do a certain job and they still will bust somebody for marijuana Yeah whatever absolutely

23:15 They just busted... But that's not their job, but they do it anyway. And I still think this is something of a stretch. I mean Miranda himself in fact they have the clip says that once did they even ask him anything about terrorism in his whole eight hours play the Miranda on TV. And I'll say again it doesn't matter what I was carrying everything And, David British authorities say that they detained you under it's called schedule 7 of the UK Terrorism Act which allows them to question someone to determine if there they are or have been and I quote concerned at the commission preparation invest for instigation of acts of terrorism. Did they actually ask you anything about terrorism? No, they didn't ask me anything about terrorist not one question about it

24:05 And I think it's really weird because i was in there for like eight hours without talking to anybody outside and they're just keeping me. I have to ask them, do I have to answer this? They asked just telling me if you don't answer this then your going to go to jail Yeah, hold on John. This is like a red herring this is... Well this is what I'm telling you from the beginning it's the whole thing is scam. I just want to make one point that the law is of course nonsensical we have the same here but they have every single right to ask him whatever they want in any fashion. It doesn't have to be just about terrorism and the fact that you have actual journalists saying this means they are complicit in the scam because they know, it's in plain English that this is permissible." The oversight guy who appeared on BBC2 who was the guy who looks at these cases said and I'll get a clip for the Sunday show and I can do

25:09 Said specifically that if you can determine this person is not involved with terrorism You don't keep him for nine hours or says he says of 60,000 people that were stopped fine I'm not this is a dumb argument. They can do whatever they want we're in a police state What this guy's I just repeating what this guy said and then arguing no he then he's in some other intelligence agency He's just fueling the fire Maybe he just wants to write a book who knows it's ridiculous That part of the conversation is stupid Really, I'm mad at that. I just telling you that i think this whole thing was rigged by Greenwald to begin with and I think the real kicker here is that Greenwald actually if this guy probably doesn't appreciate this was hoping he'd get thrown in jail because apparently threatened him with jail numerous times yeah because when answer questions or what do you bring it when is this what does why isn't just divorced a guy would not be easier just take them out like dude I'm tired of you know

26:08 it's a little worse the guy was publicity but that would be my boy my husband in jail partner my partner by partners joking you'll easy on the show specifically he called his husband really okay i'd i thought they were not married uh... could be released right maybe or not but he called greenwall on the show that you recorded that clip from yes specifically said my husband so so nice oh but here is the interesting thing that happened then we have the guardian and we have this The guy, the spy who runs the Guardian and doesn't that guy look like a British spy with his mop top hair? You've seen the editor. Yeah he looks like a guy. Oh it looks like a spy and so all of a sudden he's like we're going to destroy this laptop! And they publish a picture of half a motherboard and there's not even a drive in the picture and then they have this big

26:58 Pooh ha about how they have to you know, they have to do this even though they have copies everywhere The whole thing it's I mean It's like, you know We had spy versus spy in mad magazine except now there's that the black spy a white spy but there's a red one There's a yellow one. This is I think the the end all Countries now have gotten confused You know as to who's doing what and they're all just running around trying to get on TV Well, they're doing a pretty good job of getting on TV. Yeah although no one...no one is watching. Does it bother you that the milieu of spydom is such that I'd say a good 80 to 90% are identifiable? Just like you said with that guy

27:49 Um, no but that's... And these girls that show up on the various, especially on Fox. The ones who come in they're the only brunettes in the operation and they all look like spooks? Well, you know what I think? I will say this about the intelligence services. I like their hiring policies because most of these girls They're kind of hot You know there's like they all have something going for that Valerie Plam was looking good Yeah No, no bad. I think that this is something that started a long time ago and said look you know I think we should get good-looking women to be spies and most of them are in the US. Well if you remember this story which we've got to remind people to read it, our newer listeners which is a hit Confessions Of An Economic Hitman he was solicited by one of these women yeah exactly and essentially sexed up to become uh... you know this character in the book It's easiest way I mean look at that that's how they get them all

28:49 That's how you bring down world leaders? At least for some reason that is how it is done now. I'm not sure how that ever got to be a fireable offense or like so shocking, they used to be the norm in certainly France and other countries like he has a mistress whatever but it wasn't a big deal and now its like oh! It's so shocking. Its never been accepted in the United States No but why Well, everyone would trace it to our Puritan upbringings a heritage of the country and yeah you have to I mean during the

29:28 Jeffersonian period I mean there's plenty of weirdness going on, but I don't know just it's just not It's not religious or something. I have no idea Here's a question for you John in all of this and then we have all these revelations about And and the fact that you the Wall Street Journal they kind of didn't end around and now we're back to stellar wind all these things of sucking off the entire fiber optic data pipe and 75% of the internet is now sucked up by the NSA. So we have all these revelations, where now at this very moment is anonymous? Where's the big action? Where are the Guy Fawkes mask videos? Nowhere. Well a lot of people believe it because there is an anonymous guy in jail

30:19 Yeah, but where's the movement anonymous? Well there apparently it looks pretty weak now that you mention it because if one guy goes to jail and the next thing I know there is nothing going on. Exactly exactly But not just one guy goes to jail Anonymous would you know they did another like Scientology attack just a couple weeks ago but when it comes to the real deal To the real thing Where is it well maybe was a front all along mm-hmm It's quite possible Well regardless, we have good news. The United States government and we laughed about this when the president said he was going to build a website about the intelligence community's transparency... Why is the intelligence community supposed to have transparency when the White House doesn't?

31:15 But forget that, they built their website on Tumblr. Did you see this thing? No! What's the name of it? And I thought it was a hoax It's ICOnTheRecord IndiaCharlieontherecord.tumblr.com and at first I'm like nah this is a joke but literally they've build their website the transparency website on Tumblr Are you kidding me?! This looks like a joke... But its not Declassified! Additional declassified documents relating to section 702 of FISA. Here's what I had to go through, because I looked for press releases on WhiteHouse.gov couldn't find it and then someone said no the Twitter account NSC Press at NSC Press they tweeted it and I'm like yes so what? And then you know it turns out that's a verified account and then at White House had retweeted it this is the real deal

32:12 locks that are unlocked. It just cost 8 million dollars? Well no, apparently I don't know what the deal is but it's just like this is your transparency website on Tumblr maybe they have stock in Yahoo or something who owns Tumblr who owns Tumblr think yahoo yeah who just bought it yeah which brings me to a well when you were down with us I got a... well yahoo by the way who apparently now have surpassed Google in traffic So, you know now of course we have Google is already 40% of the Internet's traffic. Apparently Yahoo! is the other 60%. So there's nothing else except Yahoo and Google on the Internet. Yeah so well this by the way has changed the subject completely extremely bad news for us We've had a...we got some note from a guy who sent it to you through your

33:04 Oh, through the bitmessage. Yeah we have an insider at MailChimp. MailChimp is a very largely used program or system for the mailing list, for marketing emails but also for the knowage in the newsletter. The entire system is somehow under attack I think that the untold story with that message besides the fact he would send it to you is says he's a secret guy and the company which they help me anyway I mean I've sent notes and said oh you should do this and that he's not telling me anything we don't, we can find out already. He sends it to you instead of the me everyone knows I do the mailing list and uh... i have the account he would know that because its a got my email address uh... we are losing our ass on these mailings because our open rate has dropped from

33:58 I don't know, it used to average about 49-55%. Oh which is way above industry average as is. Yes way above industry average but for newsletters its not really you really want to get a pretty high open rate because its the newsletter people subscribe to it they volunteer to get or they get because they donate and then they can kill it We it dropped to 27% because of the Google having this extreme, this new promotions tab which by the way you can go into your settings and turn all those tabs off. Yeah if you just turn the tab off. But nobody knows that they can't most people can't figure anything out so that goes on The mailing that went out for last for this show which was sent out on Wednesday 1130 Pacific Time never arrived in the Yahoo box

34:44 Oh really? Not in the Yahoo box at all. It didn't show up and it didn't show up in Yahoo spam. Spam, yahoo has a big spam box that you can look at yeah Google doesn't even do that they just just everything disappears this big spam box known as Marissa Meyer hey-oh so anyway so there is something the reason I think we got that note is something fishy's going on Hey wait a minute John aren't you telling me your tracking people Who am I tracking? You're tracking what they're doing with our newsletters. Yes, I'm tracking these companies. You have to send out these dummy emails to different boxes and see what happens so Yahoo doesn't show up at all Google gets thrown in the promotions box and people have complained to me that they've tried to move the... Yeah okay so you're supposed to be able to drag-and-drop it doesn't work now i've tried that too and people say that you know a little pop up a message saying do you want to always bypassed the promotions tab or something like that? I didn't get that message

35:47 I didn't get the message and you can remove the promotion tab but there's another one too, like the social tab or whatever. Yes, social network tab The whole point is it's very subtle what is going on here But it is just a tip of the iceberg really. I mean people still don't understand that when they look at you know Facebook and i'm sure Twitter's if they're not already they will be doing it, that you're not seeing everything from your friends You're seeing whatever algorithm Facebook feels you should see from your... for people use face book it like hey i haven't heard from so-and-so i've seen anything on my time nine will now because of your step not being shown anymore so that is you're open to manipulation and it's not really nefarious other than to sell you crap one way the other so anyway it's a disaster for us i think you're gonna see the real decrease in donations cuz the newsletter reminds people who watch this show also reminds me what did contribute to the show so we're getting it we're getting slammed by both these services and i think about

36:49 I think at least 60% of our users use Gmail and I think the rest of them probably use Yahoo. We only had one person come in as an executive producer for today's show, and that came through the mail! We got absolutely nothing through email." It has to be, we have to, can't understate really or overstate how important these you know if I don't fire the bat signal as an example people miss the show. They're like, oh man I didn't get the bat signal and I forgot you know. I missed the show because you know people's lives are busy and they're not contrary to what i would like they're not thinking about the show all the time so people forget that we have these newsletters and now we have some information about what's upcoming on this show it is really reminder today you were here please check us out

37:39 and support the work as well. And if you're not receiving it, people just forget they go on with their lives and other things happen distractions. These things are being thrown away by these surveys let me tell you here's an example of Yahoo situation this is what really got to because I'm looking at I don't have the news that doesn't show up. I go to the spam box and the spam box has got a bunch of crap in it, mostly you know oh so-and-so wants you to be her Facebook friend...a bunch of solicitations for hookers essentially of different sorts this is just a bunch as a benefit There's a bunch of junk in there that is, you know... Are you getting the one? I'm getting this a lot. Hey! I missed you online the other day. Yeah we've seen all these They're good though because no matter how- You can't spam filter those out they keep coming through hey it's Miranda

38:28 Yeah, well you start checking now because these are not coming through and here's the thing that got to me. So I'm looking in the spam boxes a bunch of this kind of stuff You just described and then I just saw there was all that looking for the newsletter which wasn't even in there so I just killed all that stuff that purged it and as soon as I went back to my empty box A huge ad from Yahoo shows up meet singles in Berkeley essentially stealing the business of these other spammers. And by the way, that you can go around the country and go through the same process and you'll see meet singles in St Louis and take a screenshot of that it's the same women what are these women floating around in a bus? It doesn't make any... this whole thing is out-and-out fraud! John, you're telling me that the women they put on the ads aren't

39:23 You won't meet anybody by the way. So that's your first mistake, thinking you're going to meet somebody so this is a direct attack and mercantile attack on small businesses us it's an attack on us and everyone else so these companies who are trying to get their numbers up can steal the business in the case of Yahoo! and these solicitations well for you know Friend Finder Like, ah let me see if there's anything from No Agenda any news. I'm like um... Hey! These chicks look hot! Let me go check this website out and they're gone and then we're done We're toast subverted by hookers

40:07 Well, we're not subverted just by hookers. We are subverted by these free email service providers who have decided to go into business for themselves and they are essentially going to start targeting their users with stuff that they want to sell them instead of giving them the free email service that they were promised. I mean this whole thing is completely upside down, it's a disaster for us it obviously showed up in todays black distribution. Let's thank our one producer who sent in... Yeah Nicholas Principe, I guess Principa? Princip or Principe?

40:47 Prince of a prince of a prince of design Raleigh North Carolina his name is he can call himself executive producer episode 541 that's for sure you'll be the executive producer He did send a note somebody find it. I got a bunch of notes from different people Think he's got the little one here Yeah, he sent a longhand note kind of a mishmash ITM John and Adam I finally Finally, correcting from boner to donor after several months of listening after disc... I can't read that. No agenda by something browsing of all the things he got it from the iTunes Music Store just out of the blue. He never really

41:35 Anyway, you're all overdue for some value for value. So here it is $333 and 33 cents instead of any karma or anything Just let Adam come up with some jingles a jingle combination of his own choosing keep up the good work You all need As much support as you can get at best value Mac and cheese around kind of thing Okay I get to do well since since Since he is a The the sole executive producer due to clearly our failed promotions, thanks to the Promotions of the free email services I get to do a nice long little sequence Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework. We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it

42:36 In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people. In ours it only exists to protect their freedoms. Protect their freedoms. Protect their freedoms. Yay! There you go That's still one of the great clips and thank you Nicholas highly appreciate that so, you know Then don't wait for an email to show up to remind. You let me remind you right now vorac org slash n a We need you to support our show because I said now. I see what you're talking about looking at the spreadsheet We have a short donation segment as well today So the thing and I use the word so The thing that is going on is it's and I think if I was male champ, I'd be freaked Because I think everybody this is gonna start people just gonna start noticing. It's quite the it's quite the opposite You know the or in the reality may be different but the I have find it for you

43:32 The CEO of MailChimp was really cavalier about this. Really cavalier! And you got to think that the only reason why... because here's how I would see it play out, I'm going to search for this right now for the MailChimp guy Here is how I'd see it play out, I would have sanctioned for a fee, which is what it's going to come down to. Like oh if you want to reach outside the promotions tab well then you're gonna have to pay some extra money probably to MailChimp who will then... we're being charged by Google this is how the shakedown works We already have this You know when you have whitelist in the email space and even if you start a company today

44:18 And you have users who need to retrieve a password. Do not think that they can just retrieve your password or get, you know, your company emails You will have to go through a whitelisting service which can cost upwards of $100,000 dollars a year just to be whitelisted on the big so-called free email providers We've been through this John we've seen this happen Yeah, no this is getting to be a real problem with the only I mean the bypasses Is simply using tax it's gonna be attacks and we buy that's a fee. It's a fee In fact male I bet you mail chimp in constant contact into two or three other these services That are the big ones that are being I think extorted

45:01 Or probably they say, yeah well you see they have certain IPs it comes through and your Google or Yahoo and you say huh. Yeah throw that in the promotions tab if its coming from MailChimp its not personally mailed. Can I just say John? And you can actually be in a meeting and say that! Its much deeper than that Did you all these guys are hooked up to it's not it'll come to me in a moment the name of the service But there's all these transport providers that if you don't use that then you're automatically suspicious. I'm giving you I've been deep into this By rebuilding my mail server and and you know, I was like oh yeah thought I'll just write a little giblet about this It's not easy

45:40 And it's technically easy to get it set up, but then to figure out what is... how do you deal with spam yourself? That's one part of it. The incoming. But the other part is how do you tell other mail services that you're not spam? This is very, very complicated. It's doable but there are a lot of hoops and it's cartel forming essentially These guys have got it all nailed down And its only a matter of time before they start charging you money to send If I could do it that would be my service Guaranteed email delivery Because you can't guarantee your emails gonna arrive anymore because of all this stuff

46:24 I can't find the article, but the MailChimp guy...I'm telling you. He's too smug about this. Oh, maybe a little dip? We're not too worried about it? Okay, alright so when is the premium service coming? You watch! Put it in the book Yeah, well it's definitely going to be gouging involved because that is the way you do it. But we're looking at essentially what amounts to criminal enterprise in every direction from everywhere and the top guys Google and Yahoo like you said they are number one or two

47:00 They're the top of this racketeering. It is, and here's what's going to happen because they're hurting small business we are very small business but we employ one besides us we employ Eric, Eric DeShill I think that may even be below minimum wage so it's probably illegal But it's hurting us and so if people continue to let this grow and to let these, what did you call it? The criminal enterprise continue to suppress everything. You're gonna wind up with really shitty shows to listen too because we'll be off We'll be done! We have to move on to do something else And I don't know what's left Enjoy It's good luck with that

47:51 Yeah, well actually there's nothing else But not really. No, this situation is completely out of control and the only thing I can recommend for people is to kill those tabs on their Google Gmail or get off of Gmail! Stop using it! Just stop using it! Stop using it! You know how you're going to do that when even most other companies now... Here's the thing we had an article about us in one of the large German newspapers. Which was a nice article actually Yeah well link to it in the show notes And uh...I tweeted about it It's in the show notes, your right. I tweeted about it too So I went to the translate services. The translation was mediocre. It was terrible, it wasn't even close! It was very modern German and apparently Google can't even... so it goes to Google Translate immediately and does the crappiest job of translation you wouldn't know what this article is about, not even close Can I read a passage? Wait let me finish this little complaint. So there's a lot of alternatives

48:49 So I go to another one and then it redirects me to Google Translate There used to be like ten of these things and now they're all Google translate Among what did that happen among all the expectations brought to the internet, but were disappointed Bertolt Brecht's radio theory was after That he that's a very famous writer old school Was every small producers brought an audience will one of the most durable? The internet has the institutions but not overcome. But on the contrary, it has created giant multi-billion dollar corporations small media institutions that resist this development fighting for their economic freedom

49:31 They are mostly dependent on advertising revenues. That a public media offer an independent, sustainable and directly funded remains an unfulfilled desire." I sound like one of those entertainment reporters who get their brain scrambled at the award show? Yeah Maybe they're run by Google Translate They're actually German spies This translation is not even close to anything functional Well it tells me that it's not really possible It's just not...it's not that easy No, we know that. But I remember there being a couple of services that were a lot better than this. Mmmmm...I've you know because I speak two languages fluently. No, no, I know what your saying and I agree with you that generally speaking it's impossible but its not doesn't have to be this bad What your saying is at least what came out the other side was it may not have been entirely correct but at least it was English

50:22 Well, at least you can kind of figure out what they were talking about. This thing is impossible! You can't figure out what they're talking about something about our show And there's a picture of you and you and your in the sports car What is that? That's that's a picture from 19...from 2006 and it's not a sports car It's no it is that's my Audi when I had an Audi Oh, I always thought he had an Innie Squirrel!

51:06 Which is great, so essentially it's him listening to a No Agenda episode while you're watching the road. It's quite mesmerizing! I can do that... It's pretty mesmerizing just sitting there just watching him drive along the highway looking out at the front and you're listening to the show. If you don't have a commute it's like here have a commute while you're enjoying this show. It's kind of good fun idea And in the morning to you John C. Dvorak! In the morning to you Adam Currie, in the morning all of the ships that see boots on the ground feet in the air and subs in the water along with the knights and dames out there Yes I'd also like to say in the morning to all of the human resources in the chatroom noagendastream.com NoAgendaChat.net good to have ya'll here and depleting your 9.2 million dollar value and thank you very much to our artist Nick The Rat

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52:33 And I do want to say one thing following on the email server conversation, so i'm a disc jockey really. I mean... ...I've not had any classical training and I'm not a programmer. I'm just a guy who's been interested and if you take the time to read and I'll say this too because there's a whole generation who have grown up with computers and actually my lovely wife Miss Mickey used to be this way and here's what it is So the computer tells you something And it sometimes, like recently it's been oh I got a rejection message from your mail server. It didn't work and I'll say well what did the message say? I don't know! I threw it out

53:13 So well, you know it there's something that is actually information in there that might say I couldn't find the address It you know, i'll try again Your attachment was too large or you spelled the name wrong. You spell yeah Spelled the name wrong so there is and and I will be the first to admit that engineers make shitty informational messaging And we all have seen the funny dialogue boxes that pop up on programs but if you take The time Because I've seen this happen. People go like, oh bloop! I got an error click they click it away without reading what it said and you're not going to learn anything about... You're not going to get any further without reading what is being said now yes It's often written by an engineer sometimes not even the word English is not his first language And it's going to have to think about what is he actually saying but at least you have part of that information? This still 10 years ago we didn't have any of this

54:07 So you've got to participate in the system and help make it better and learn a little bit And you can learn how to run a Linux box. You can learn how to set up an email server, you know The people is everyone wants Oh An app like I click one in one-click install app it's not gonna happen Okay It's not gonna happen for for email you're gonna have to learn how to do it but guess what a it's free? It's virtually free through the software that's available Then if you want, you can set up a virtual server on Rackspace or somewhere else which you can kill so it'll cost like $2 to experiment if you do it for two days. But you've got to... You've got to DO something! And its not like brain surgery These things are written in English Some people don't have the time for it They're working for a living they have family to raise They expect to go to Yahoo Mail and get their mail

55:06 When it was sent to them well sure they're gonna have a bunch of crap in there, too But if something like a site was on I went to LinkedIn and now LinkedIn is trying to become Facebook so they got all these News feeds and people's commentaries And whatever somebody wrote an article that was right on the front page It said oh this is now that Google's put the promotions tab on. This is such an improvement It ends the cold calling it ends this it ends that I'm reading this idiot, so I write a nasty note. This is bull crap! There are people that there aren't all the newsletter people out there and there's tons of them The news your newsletter it's not going to get through anymore because Google has decided that it's not something somebody wants Let me just finish my thought here for a second because it plays right into that

55:54 So everybody, even if you work really really hard okay. Everybody has a day or two off and if this is... If it doesn't bother you, if this is all great and you know you're happy that uh.. You don't get the spam anymore well fantastic then whatever then you deal with your life the way you want to but It's not just about an email server. It's all of these things! It's like learning how your car works we don't know that any more either And these things are good skills to have. It's also, gee it can be fun! And I have to say here at home even just Miss Mickey just taking the time to read the dialogues has gone from me being a full-time IT support person for her to a husband and lover

56:38 It's really improved a lot of things in our life. And she says, she'll come down and go hey man I fixed it myself and she is really proud of what she has done! She knows now like you know hey i'm going to take a trip. I did not upgrade my iOS software. Yeah fantastic And it's these little things, and if you take a little bit of time it's gonna make your life that much better. And maybe you'll think of something new that you can do that is better than email or better than the established apps and systems we have. You know what? Make your kids do it! Tell your kids to go learn how to do this stuff Now about reading... Well I think its important, I think that- I think your lectures fine, I think it's falling on deaf ears Maybe About reading

57:28 So, and I said so. The coroner report came out regarding the Michael Hastings autopsy now i'm sure you've heard of this John? I've heard of it yes! Yes, I thought he was cremated That turns out to be not true Well that's nice to know Yeah gee we call that biatch out early Okay, did you did you read any articles about about the results of this time whatsoever really? You're full of shit And you know you did no I don't know what you're talking about Mike. I don't even know who this guy is Come on help me out a little bit all right watch alright so Michael Hastings We all want to know you know what happened he moved in he drove his brand-new

58:17 Mercedes into a tree killed on impact. Yeah, 100 miles an hour and it exploded even though the Mercedes company itself went out of their way to say our cars are designed not to do what happened there this is right and they said this is bogus exactly and for some reason now my mouse has just freaked out which is never a good thing oh no what is going on here You know those mouse I always never trusted them. I still don't think they're gonna make it long term. I don't think this thing will ever really work out as a system. Never gonna happen, never gonna happen all right so now what they say if you i'm going to read the okay so the reporting in general is oh my god he had in his system

59:00 methamphetamine, DMT marijuana. It just didn't stop it did not stop and you know and everything is burnt to a crisp I'd like to know how they got this information but okay well so i have the coroner report and I have the lab report and I have the police report and also apparently when the two cops went to his family's house they were like Here, upon inquiry this person family member believed deceit decedent. Is that the is that another word for deceased? Decedent?

59:38 I think the deceased is the way I'd phrase it. D-E-C-E-D-E-N-T, decedent? Decident? It would be descendant. Decedent. The decedent. But usually refers to like your son or you know some decedent. Weird isn't it? Well anyway... Anyway continue. The dead guy was currently using DMT confirmed use of medical marijuana as well as... You can't drive on DMT? Well, that's just... So you can't even stand up. No, that's not true. Okay you can stand up and you can talk to me again I grant you're gonna DMT which is an hour-long ridiculous Let me let me move you beyond all this okay because this is This is the conversation that your alternative media are already having so there's a couple of things that are weird So one is the body was charred

1:00:33 It literally says, the eyes were cooked. The coroner writes this which is what? What coroner writes down a medical description? Well you got it listed and next to it you put cooked. It literally says there's heavy charring of the entire head and neck. The scalp over the calvaria is completely burned off. The face is unrecognizable and completely charred. The eyes are cooked The tongue protrudes, protrudes and is thoroughly blackened. So he had his tongue sticking out which was kind of like a HowlDoll thing. Screaming! Yeah there's moderate charring over the neck and left shoulder area so it's all disgusting now

1:01:10 The actual cause of death is, of course... high speed into an immovable object. So you never die of speed but the lack of speed But it went through his right leg which I thought was interesting so he died because of his leg being stuck on the accelerator and that compounds if you read this report Compounds all the way through and that basically kills you in seconds Which is kind of interesting So everyone is, if you look at like Chunk who I guess did he work with Chunk and those guys on the Young Turks? He was on this show a lot or a couple times and he and they i think they got along. And they're all freaking out about this isn't outrage! You know it didn't really have in his system... It might have been weeks ago and you know you can't drive that didn't happen and no one reads the report! No one reads the report!!

1:02:00 I'm like, okay. That's your imitation of junk? Well and the woman who is on the show. Yeah So let me tell you what i really found in the report so we have the autopsy report and we have the lab report okay And the lab sends back information about what they actually found and there are a lot of NDs but then they find carboxy THC some other THCs some meth some amphetamine A couple other things, so they have the little... I don't know. I have no idea what the values mean that's not one of them going to debate but here is what i saw which i thought was rather interesting so the source with a chest blood and the container type was the red top tube and okay so that was what the lab used and then you go back into the corners report in here toxicology I collected just blood and put it in a purple top tube oh really? I think I would see the difference between red and purple how about you

1:03:02 Yeah, seems so. I'm thinking the blood was switched Oh that could be And if not... If DMT was reported there's something fishy about that Let's face it There is a huge discrepancy between purple and red You can't have this One report saying we put in the purple top tube and the other reports saying we put in the red top tube And why is no one screaming about that? I'm gonna tell you this is not even his blood. No, it's probably some rigged blood

1:03:39 Yeah, Rick. Trick blood yeah John. Yeah Rick you know what I mean they should have got some... a bunch of... Hey you got any blood over there? Some DMT in it? Yeah we do! I've got some right here What else is in there? Well we can put this stuff in ourselves It's just like... Well what's the point of having this report with the blood? So okay whether he had his blood or not The whole idea is to prove that whatever happened... Oh, it's because he was stoned! Exactly. And it's closed. It's done. I don't know about you but if you see this video... It's closed and done. It will never be a discussion. Especially THC and some of these other things You don't drive around in that. You go holy shit let me just creep along at 10 miles per hour If your stoned your like oh man

1:04:33 Oh, dude. It's just going too fast! 15 is way out of my league and DMT I mean yeah you can walk no problem but you're not gonna well you know the DMT is only 20 minutes and after that it's in your system but you did you're not high from it this I can speak on some authority So, uh... the... so I said it again. Damn! I know it's- It sucks. The so thing is a problem. Well there's in if you just listen to people- At least we've got amazing out of our systems Yeah but the so thing is really bad and if you look at almost- It's insidious Because its not even doing anything other than focusing- Stalling No no You might as well be a hummer I don't- heh No I'd rather you be a sower Sowers are better than hummers any day Um

1:05:24 It is the method of grabbing someone, actually grabbing the attention towards you in a conversation. There's also an incessant need... Now on the show like this I like having silence but it's an incessant need for people to never have a moment of silence for thought And that's another way of doing it, obviously. But I hear people doing it to each other the whole time So how you doin'? So I'm okay! Where are ya gonna go this weekend? When you start really paying attention to it It's scary and bad and I've gotten pretty good at not doing it

1:06:08 But I but I've stopped saying to people man. You're really heavy on the so stuff I've stopped because I just know you have to cuz they don't nobody hears it you Don't hear yourself saying it to be self-aware enough to catch yourself which we've done twice or three times on the show already It takes a lot of effort, but let's admit It's bad and we're doing it too And it's really bad and we got a story were doing effective the matter somebody you or somebody put together that clip of us. Fact of the matter, fact! It's embarrassing well especially when we call people out on that stuff all the time have you noticed this? This is a very disturbing new trend and it's working very well and I picked it up on Facebook I go to Facebook maybe once every two days usually when Mickey says hey did you see what so-and-so put on my Facebook I'm like no don't even ask me

1:07:00 You know and so and the only reason why I really got Facebook, and it still have it is to keep tabs on my daughter you know that's kind of where she's at So I want to make sure I see everything but I'm always the terrorist guy. You know I'm always saying horrible things I post horrible things you're a bad Facebook um I do it to Mimi a lot too by the way who has picked up her face booking somehow She's appeared on the radar again Maybe Facebook decided I could see her posts again What's happened is that I keep seeing these videos over and over again, and it it's always kind of the same thing kid tells grown-ups where its at teenager schools journalist And what is happening? Is the radical left. I will say the greenies which not against because there's also a big anti GM movement have trained their kids to

1:07:54 Into becoming spokespeople for Any type of mission and there and it's kind of scary Have you noticed that? It's a trend the new trip. Well, so here's this 14 year old girl And she called out I'm gonna say this was a Canadian news guy Saying you know hey, you need to shut up about genetically modified food. We are the future and what do you know? And she called him fascist which was incorrect actually and everyone's like oh that's funny But she'd use it incorrectly because we know what fascism really is now she meant Like a totalitarian maybe and so they invite her on to their show

1:08:43 And she, and listen just listen to her talk and I have another example of one of these kids. You tell me that this kid has not been trained in doing a very good job? That was 14 year old Rachel Parent throwing down the gauntlet to Kevin. The teen activist is passionate about genetically modified food and as you just heard takes issue with a lot of things Kevin has to say on the subject including a show that we did some time ago. Rachel's an activist and founder of Kids Right To Know Thank-you for being here Thank you for having me here today. Right there, right there! I'm already done and like oh okay that's exactly how you're trained doing in PR school. I want to start with how you came to be passionate about this? What was it about GMO that actually drew you in the first place?

1:09:27 I didn't want to make a joke about it, but you went there. Who was this? This is the Canadian Abucho. Well originally I had to do a speech for my school and I really wasn't sure what to do it on so I was researching these different topics and I realized that GMOs actually affected everything So I decided to go with GMOs and researched it more and more, and then eventually I just got so into it protesting. And when I got so into it, I started doing speeches for other people. Yeah! I listen to this and that... It is brilliant but it's not right in a number of ways You're pushing a kid onto the stage who at a very young age has really been trained to do this and people find it difficult to confront a child.

1:10:14 You know, and then people who are on board with whatever the child is pushing are like yeah this is what kids do. It's great! I wish my kid would be like that it's weird and a little twisted and sick Who were the other people you're doing speeches for? I actually go to schools and um...I also do speeches at protests and different conferences as well Are you- I mean the kids should be playing with Barbie dolls It's okay, you know. You can have a mission but you don't have to be this prodigy." The line in there I do at protests because you can just see some little kid coming up... Right-wingers had a guy like this who was a little kid who became a writer and he was actually pretty smart but he was like 12 and he'd go into these... He would go up the podium and it would be.. The message was if this little kid knows this

1:11:07 They're so smart. I mean this if the little kid have a look what I used by the way, I have done the same Trick with with people in computers. I do it all the time. I said well heck you know somebody's bitching at me Oh, I can't get this to work Similar than a little lecture. You just had a minute ago. My thing was always hey if a ten-year old can do it you can do it that is essentially what the message is here yeah but its really ten year old and thats okay to say it but it's not okay to push your kid to do well there's a couple of things, one this on a broadcast show I believe this is an extortion vehicle as they all are Monsanto's no advertising enough let go after wait let me play the other kid I've got. This is straw boy this another one my favorites

1:11:54 A young man left a message for us the other day. Oh, wow! The kid's sitting around playing with his Green Army men and thinks I gotta call up NPR. I got to set them straight Hi, I have some exciting news to report How good is that? My name is Milo founder and spokesperson for an environmental organization And...I live in Monmont Governor Hickenlooper just formally recognized my organization with a proclamation. The name of my organization is Be Straw Free Did you catch that? Be Straw Free 12 year old Milo Kress is disturbed by how many drinking straw people use and toss at him Won't somebody please think of the children!

1:12:48 I'm telling you this has to stop people. Be straw free? Well, i don't know who they're extorting on that one flavor straw maybe they want to get him back into the game it's a seven minute report but that's not the point 7 minutes of that?! Seven minutes on NPR yeah oh my god that's a clip of the day hit it oh really really oh man i was not expecting that thank you hold Wow! Be straw free. Our national treasure is crumbling though, John. Well that's been going on since we began the show. Well but it got a little more interesting this past week as Howard A. Knell, the CEO who just came in like a year and half ago quit

1:13:42 So this is their, I think they're eighth CEO in three years? You keep plowing through them. I don't know what's going on that this is there... There's a story behind it all. Well yes indeed! I think I've learned a couple of things because there was an interview that was done with him about aboot a year into his tenure at Harvard. It was at the Neiman Journalism. A bunch of hoity-toity dipshits who think they're all that and a bag of chips by What is this? Is that the J school at Harvard? There's a good one. Bag of chips. That and the bag of chips I think that came from my mom. It sounds English. Well it came from, she was from New England if that helps All that in a bag of chips. Yeah. Back So it was Neiman...is it the Neiman School of Journalism? Harvard School of Journalism Any school of journalism from Harvard doesn't sound right Exactly

1:14:41 He was being interviewed and a couple of things came out. That was very interesting I'm gonna play two of them the one that I did the one clip, I don't have though Is that a five year? I think it was five years ago Maybe little six years ago someone died some rich effort died and left NPR 250 million dollars And I think that money is now gone and and and that's what the whole infrastructure was riding on And yeah, they built a big new skyscraper. Yeah, well though you had a closer were rather nice offices and build the skyscraper And they were spending money left and right they had there were yeah They're riding high so this Howard guy Howard Nell guy I think he figured it out But he found out a couple more things I have two to clips one real short one here And this is before the news of him quitting and here's something that I found interesting to start off with So III

1:15:38 I think you gotta just keep pushing at this stuff. I think you just got to keep trying, and the audience is going to demand more and more. Maybe podcasts weren't the thing to do? Podcasts are sort of peaking anyway because it's all up in a cloud now that you can pull down... What kind of logic is this? Well remember, this is a guy who has no idea what he's talking about. That's why it's so interesting... Okay well that I get but even if he doesn't know what he's talking about where's the logic of oh podcasts are dying because they're up in the cloud? Why would that make them die?! Well I mean what's the connection? Is cloud.. If you're in the cloud it comes back to people and the toxic fume...? Okay I'm gonna give you the answer The answer comes in two parts So first all

1:16:22 Maybe we shouldn't have done podcasts and I know why he's saying that but i'm not going to tell you just now. We'll let it sit for a second But he goes into this they're up in the cloud That is for a joke setup that he has that is the unfunniest joke in the world Which we will now hear anyway Because it's all up in the cloud Now that you can pull down and i've been joking with people that I think this was part of apple's plan To have steve jobs up there actually controlling the whole thing What an asshole Wow, right bad that's a bad material Like not good material. No what he figured out is that Podcast and I'm going to take big credit for this now has actually ruined their business

1:17:07 This is really, this is very exciting. And there's a couple other things that have ruined...that are ruining the business as you'll hear in this clip where he talks just listen to him talk about what's happening with their business model. It's a tougher question and the biggest challenge to be honest much more than federal funding has an issue is the digital disruption of news and media And my goal with my colleagues, like Kinsey Wilson and other people who are much smarter than I am about seeing these things is to take the public radio mission and model and transition it into a public radio mission and model that will continue on in

1:17:55 in a changed contextual world so... Buddy I can't stop! You gotta listen, you gotta listen. You got to back it up because he's like..I don't know we even We don't have to back it up because He is leading up to saying Okay but its just like confused logic Okay there are couple things When you have the CEO of 100 million multi hundred million dollar corporation who says things like well I work with my colleague so and so who was much smarter than I am That's a red flag. You would never hear Steve Jobs say, oh even though it was true Oh you know that engineer over there is much smarter than I am This this is not the words of a leader It's not CEO speak No and by the way he went off to the National Geographic Society to run that

1:18:44 Now listen, because he's going to tell you that the model has failed but it comes out in a way that these bozos don't even know what is happening to them. You have to be in things like connected cars and for those of you who do not know what that is this is really about all of the auto manufacturers are now basically embedding internet radios into their cars This is good news for us by the way except its bad news for them So if you watched You know, if you watch a lot of shows with car ads right now they're all about the information systems. It's Pandora and Google and it has nothing to do with the cars. It's kind of like they're gonna pour lattes for you in your car but it's all about information systems so what we did is about a year ago we hopped on this and did a deal with Ford as our first partner. There's your little partnership, your little fascistic partnership

1:19:39 to make sure that public radio and NPR had a voice activated command in those cars. So if you come in, you can go morning edition and it will pull up the last version of morning edition at two o'clock in the afternoon or if you want to hear just science segments, it will pull down the last ten science segments that appeared on morning editions... Well interestingly this is I think the thing To me the most novel in this is you can sit in your car in Boston and ask for programming from WBZ in Chicago. So you can both time travel and travel geographically across the network. Yeah, which then creates all kinds of issues around the business model. Exactly!

1:20:30 Yeah, well this is a problem they've had since the get-go. In fact this is a problem you noted on the Dish Network and other places... these systems cable systems can do it Is that you can't in fact they try to keep you from doing as best they can but you know its shoveling crap against the tide because there's people if I'm from Seattle and I move to San Francisco and I have a dish network connection There's no reason in the world that they can't just give me the feed from the Seattle stations. It's very doable, it's on the same bird but they won't do it because there's all these stations and oh god you're gonna kill us! But with the other...there are two arguments here then maybe you could shed some light on the confusion because it has always confused me and goes like this I'm a station in Jersey

1:21:20 I've got my rates, I've got my local audience. I know everything and all of the numbers and all the local numbers and know everything And i'm selling ads to these people for the local market The cable companies, let's say Cable, let's say the Dish Network or any one of them They grab my signal from WXXX and they send it all over the place Let's say Texas or California The station will squawk about it. Oh Why would the station squawk about it when its giving their advertisers free? Okay, stop stop okay first of all I'm not going to talk about dish network I'm going to talk about NPR specifically because that is what we're talking that if we have competition It's NPR

1:22:04 NPR, if you turn on your... So these are all local stations. The corporation for public broadcasting or whatever it is there's a company that's a for-profit company that sells the ads but really is managing all of the money before the government money they get some corporate big time foundation stuff comes in but that seems to be dwindling And they order the national programming. All these other stations are all locally owned and operated, and they sell spots in a local market If you listen to NPR, you're not hearing very many national ads In fact very few, and it's all advertising

1:22:50 So yes, this... No no no! Hear me out. I know this shit really well John. I hear nothing but national ads. You will hear on a national show which is one of the... because you have all these small locally produced programs which are not national ads. You will hear thanks to Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. You'll hear a couple other foundation grants people just like you. John they're all local ads i'm telling you It is 80% local ads on these stations except for the big shows that you might listen to that You know morning edition you might catch that or God forbid car talk Then you'll have a couple of national ads. The majority of what these stations run on Their money because they're not getting anything from them from the national ad They don't have to pay for the programming

1:23:41 See, they get the free morning edition and then there's national ads in there and they get a spot open for their local ads. There is no organization... NPR is not one big group They're dead in the water because the little guys can only sell local ads And that's dwindling This is where you're supposed to say sooo I'm not going to use the word so So it's just blank They are dead because they're, you know... and then the local guy wants money. The local guy wants to have money! You want me to say something and now your yacking away? Yeah, you're right. Okay what you're saying is that they can't stand competition

1:24:33 What I'm saying... If you boil it down. No, that's not what i'm saying. What I'm saying is... That's what I am speaking of. Well, well you asked rhetorically. What I'm saying yeah is that there is no longer a need for broadcast networks this is inherently against the distribution method and networks that we are now utilizing. There is no need, in fact it is a drain on all of the combined resources where used to be in a single distribution system where you have a license and you're the only one that can broadcast and with cable that started to pilfer out a little bit but still limited by how many channels can be carried and channel number etc., bandwidth

1:25:20 You know that made sense to be rolled up into a network It is the inverse now, which is the only reason why we're going to hopefully survive if we can still get our emails through Gmail We'll be okay But they did so sure as you take your logical argument to an extreme I'm not so sure it's good for anybody because what it sounds like to me using what you said and I've been I'm not gonna argue that the finer points of this because I think you're generally correct but But if everything is going to consolidate into national broadcasters that are taking only national ads because the local guys can't compete with the quality of those things, and I believe by the way this could happen in education especially online education. Because if you can take a history course from the best historian who really knows his stuff why would you take a course on some schlub that's a local guy? So let's start consolidating everything well that means you get completely trampled as a little guy trying even if your competing

1:26:19 because you're gonna get cut out. No, I don't... You're not going to get... You know what's great for us is that we'll be on the fort. They'll just There's here's what happens it happened with cable versus the terrestrial which is like you had to pay to do it one way they were doing you're doing everybody a favor with CCTV when it began when cable again oh I'm doing you a favor and then next thing you know now I'm charging yeah I've given you extra coverage. You got to pay me and that's what happened with the Time Warner CBS. They want more money. Yeah but your misunderstanding something That is already happening in affiliate if so, if you want to put a shit If you want to syndicate a television show and you go to all the local affiliates. They're now saying oh Yeah We'll take your show You have to pay us to be on and you can sell your own damn commercials controls But I'm talking about internet distribution podcasts like what we're doing right now that's where that's where the future is but there's never gonna we're never going to be rich never

1:27:14 Never ever are we gonna be rich from this it's okay We'll get by but we're not going to be rich But there's no there is no stopping us in this model if you remove the advertising from it, but I think all these other guys are fucked They truly are they're totally hoes. There's no doubt about it For a lot of different reasons. I think yours is just one of many but well they also just suck and convince that this is really opening up up the you know the Well, what you're hearing... No. But that's not what I'm saying! I'm not saying smaller shows. I'm saying that the idea of a network with affiliates is dead. Is dead. And he and all right now What doesn't make any sense for it to exist if you think about it? Yes and that's why the guys bailing That's my point The guys like holy crap this thing is coming down. I'm bailing out Funny how no one's reporting on it All right we got a couple of tweets

1:28:14 About the about Gibraltar yeah, yeah did you look into it? Yeah I did what's going on. Well It's really it's really simple The Straits of Gibraltar Everyone please go to maps dot google.com right now once you do John let's do that together. It's always fun to do that And this is something that unfortunately just isn't done Isn't done anymore okay some maps that either no Really? How hard is that?! You can also go to maps.yahoo.com if you so prefer. The problem is I put in NAPS. Naps? naps.google.com and there's no, apparently no initiative going on at Google that helps people with naps! Alright and then let's enter Gibraltar okay alright and you'll have to zoom out a little bit

1:29:11 And what do we see? What is the straight... I got a bunch of stuff in California. Cafe Gibraltar, Ventura California there's something called Tripsit, somebody taking trips it so I did not get to try again try again this should be just say Gibraltar actually put Straits of Gibraltar and now I got the Straits cafe in San Jose this is great as Google yeah I got Straits cafe Singapore I got Straits cafe in Palo Alto so Straits of Gibraltar doesn't work Let's see, hmm what else could I do? Gibraltar doesn't work in Straits of Gibraltar. It keeps me in California and I'm not even signed-in! Just do Gibraltar and don't be so just get there. Get there already or answer this question to me. What is the significance of the Straits of Gibraltar? What happens there? Oh I'm sure oil tankers go through Well look at what does it connect

1:30:09 Never mind, you're playing dumb with me. The Straits of Gibraltar which is between the southern part of Spain and the northern part of Casablanca which is a British protectorate it doesn't belong to Spain this has been an ongoing dispute for centuries since 1700's It connects the Atlantic Ocean with the Mediterranean So if you need to get a warship in there, I don't know like a Russian warship or if you need to get something else because You're going over to you know northern Africa Libya Egypt Israel. Yeah okay so what's your point? What is happening right now on the straits of Gibraltar war games with British warships They're positioning their position To take over Gibraltar they already own it No! They are getting in there because the wars gonna be in the Mediterranean

1:31:01 You're predicting a war, and so you think that this action in Gibraltar... There's Russian subs already in the Mediterranean Sea. The only other place they can go which is why the US are still providing aid to Egypt is through the Suez Canal So there's only really two ways in. You gotta have both of them, so remember this is all about British and American oil and gas interests so they're putting all their ships there! And the Russians are there with their subs... This is big yeah! Yeah I'm saying- Okay fine, I'm looking at the map So Gibraltar's a little like a dot that's sitting there, it has nothing to do with anything. It is not even the closest thing to the strait itself which is Tarifa in Spain. But who runs this? Who runs the Straits? Gibraltar is its own state essentially but if you look at the history of Gibraltar which has been protected by the Brits

1:32:01 This is all about controlling the access to what goes in and comes out of the Straits of Gibraltar for the forthcoming crap that is going down, that probably won't even be reported on. Well we've seen plenty of that... All right And- and we have Russian submarines now in the Mediterranean Sea We have the largest gas deposits found ever all right there in the Mediterranean Cyprus Greece Turkey now this is this is this is all a part of a bigger game It is not just so when you're reading something about Gibraltar, and I would quite frankly. I was also like just like look bad Whatever gibraltar gives a crap on it know what's going on there isn't that near Marbella where people go on vacation? but then when you see that there's warships they are now and

1:32:55 Yeah, but let's say Gibraltar was taken over by the Spanish. Would that make any difference? Would the Spanish say, oh we're cutting it off! What if the Spanish are on the same side?! So what if... really!? And if Spain melts down into disarray Well that could happen Which could happen at any time and they're even talking about the southern half of Spain reverting back to Africa Then what? No, no. I think you do not want- You want to preempt that by setting up your big ass ships right there saying hey whatever happens You know we're here and word were holding down the fort literally and don't forget you have the other side which is Morocco And that's all Africa it's a whole different world there well I'm gonna keep looking into this or something they definitely is action going on there That's for sure action is the ships at sea ships at sea my friend

1:33:57 And it is the same with... I'm convinced that the Suez Canal, that's the only reason we haven't withdrawn from Egypt. Just to keep that! We can't say oh never mind Egypt screw you and then just have the Suez Canal fall into whoever hands What? The Muslim Brotherhood? You want them running the Suez Canal? Nobody wants anyone besides our side running the Suez Canal Did you see that Mokhtar Belmokhtar is back I thought he was dead. No, he's back! He's back! He was dead... he killed him. Moktar? The smoking man?! The Mobro Man! He wasn't dead. So somebody looked at the memo and said hey wait a minute we're not supposed to kill this guy yet

1:34:50 The one-eyed terror leader Mokhtar Belmokhtar, considered by many to be the most dangerous man in the Sahara is now officially joining forces with a Mali based jihadist group and vowing to support Islamists in Egypt according to a statement posted on Thursday. This is SITE, these are the guys who translate the Al Qaeda videos Okay. Those guys? Those guys! The announcement of the alliance known as the Mora Bitones formalizes an emerging union between Belmoktar's followers and the group known as MUJAO or Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa Their comments were carried by the Nukchot Information Agency, the NIA a Mauritian site previously used by Belmoktar to convey messages So he is back

1:35:41 And the two groups said they had decided to quote confront the Zionist campaign against Islam and the Muslims by uniting jihadists from the Nile to the Atlantic spanning all of northern Africa. This is good stuff for a fairy tale. A total fairy tale, but who was this guy that they killed? They said was Mokhtar. There was a guy... They reported that on this show it was about what year ago? But he's been killed a couple times I think on their show Yeah, it's fun. It's fun So that's Egypt That's Egypt and then of course we have good news all aboard trains Now although it's not really a big airline I'm gonna give it to you as a red book entry

1:37:35 Oh man. Alright, well I got something here. Yeah roll it brother. Uh let's see what um... oh! Well there is this uh so i got the watch Al Jazeera America. Oh, yes I saw now they're not on my cable system a lot of people rejected it but they're on the dish networking okay this is a promotion for the dish network this show I'm gonna send them a copy of the show saying hey did you see did you see the opening of the I didn't see their very very opening but i watched the main shows and one was supposed to have Soledad O'Brien and she hasn't even got bumped really? I had some Chinese girl

1:38:14 that did something really good because I you know they had kind of this bombastic opening of we're great, we have a million... Oh no! I saw all that stuff. Did you see the... They kept showing that throughout today The one with where they had Hillary and McCain in there? No i missed that Let me play this for ya With a rich mix of content from home and around the world, Al Jazeera America's journalistic integrity knows no borders. Delivering broadcast excellence across news documentary and current affairs She agreed to give his entire medical files to Al Jazeera for this exclusive investigation. Those are his clothes that the paramedics cut off him It is really effective and in fact viewership of Al Jazeera's going up in the United States because it's real news We will connect the world to America, and Americans to the world What Al Jazeera has done

1:39:05 is achieve something that all of us, I think want to achieve and that is to make a contribution. They have pulled those two out of context and made it sound like they're promoting Al Jazeera which I think is... Which is illegal by the way. But doesn't matter Applause. Good job, good job. By the way we had that clip of Hillary saying that and found it rather baffling but yeah but she was three years ago Yeah but she was not saying it to promote Al Jazeera She was saying you know saying we need to get better propaganda than them is what she was saying pretty much at time But anyway, so I'm watching this. And you have a short clip because they did do one thing they tried to go after try play the Haiti clip and uses the intro and listen to the sound it's it's very It's not a very good sound Well thousands were killed in tens of thousands made sick by the cholera epidemic that swept through Haiti two years ago The scientific evidence seems pretty conclusive the strain appears to have come from United Nations peacekeeping base but

1:40:06 the UN has refused to even consider compensating the victims. Wait a minute! So these guys like are taking our show notes and then you know from two years ago and turning it into programming? Well, there's that but they did they do a little better because they have this one guy who actually becomes a stalker with Banky moon So he tracks him down Because he goes to Haiti They did there's money here in this Al Jazeera operation compared to what we get at tongue and tons of money And so the guys flies to Haiti and he flies here and he flies there any then he reports the whole thing from San Francisco Where is it a bar? Anyway, he goes in New York

1:40:43 because he shows all these sad stories of people with cholera and they also mention in this piece, it's a very long piece but it is very interesting that Hades never had cholera in its history. And so they track it down to these UN guys. So the UN refuses to take responsibility so he goes into New York and tracks down Ban Ki-moon Tracks him down, he gets to him. With an ambush! We weren't able to do that and that's kind of cool No we can afford it right? We'd do it Yeah of course So he gets them in Banky Moon goes oh I don't know I think is fine He says if you got any more questions talk to my the attorneys at the UN so then he gets on the phone he tries To call them and they all stonewalled him They won't talk to him so he goes and tracks down Banky Moon again

1:41:23 finds him a second time, corners him and he's got two bodyguards with him. And the one bodyguard says you said to call these guys they won't take my call! But one big-body guy holds them back and says hey we've talked enough to you. And they strong arms the guy so this was very revealing it was very good But here's the problem with this show. For one thing, of course they just started but think... They drop a bunch of feeds and go to a feed that is dead The sound is very amateur There's no compression It doesn't sound like a network show at all As soon as I picked up on the sound I said this sounds like local And then I start looking at the presentation

1:42:13 KGO channel 7 in San Francisco is better. It's got a better presentation, it has got a better sound, its got better lighting than this. This has got a really cheap sound they don't have a good sound. I really want to watch this! I'm upset you can't get it streaming and Time Warner doesn't carry it now tell me this because by the way By the way, AT&T said it refuses to carry it meaning that they're pulling an extortion stunt if they all of a sudden start carrying. Of course, of course... Why is the government allowing this extortion? Well hold on a second! This is you know if you want to be carried then you have to pay this is how it works

1:42:53 And the only reason Current TV was on cable systems at all is because they bought an outfit that had certified slots they'd already pre-paid. And I'm pretty convinced that this is why Gore decided to sell, first of all you got a buyer for anything piece of crap like that you gotta go go go sell now Particularly the reported hundred million, which I don't believe. I don't either and so that you know These contracts are running out and it's expensive You know, you got to pay one at least a dollar per subscriber So it's very very expensive to keep something on the air like this with no real revenues And is now just a propaganda machine and these guys AT&T U-verse by the way It's you know, it's just uh, it's you know They have five million subscribers big whoop

1:43:41 They have every right to say oh, yeah you want to be on our system? Yeah. Pay us like everybody else and that is the model which is now also falling apart my question for You is young Turk still on did they carry over any of that program carried over nothing so those guys are out of business Yeah Well Young Turk made his move Cenk made his move to To online at least six months ago he had moved a show yeah forget it Forget it's not gonna work because that's just not gonna work I've seen the reason is not going to work in my opinion is because they still have TV overheads even those cable Yeah, it's not true network TV over heads. It's worse than that now. It's worse and I'll tell you why so there There they I've seen it because I went looking for him I didn't see anything on the AJA but I did see their Young Turks site and they're saying you know get a subscription

1:44:35 For $10. So they're not giving anything away you can get a subscription and then you can for ten dollars a month now this may maybe maybe Maybe would work for chunk himself who I'm sure, you know has no started to live a You know a lifestyle of a guy on TV even cable TV, you know, you're doing 180 hundred maybe two hundred thousand dollars a year, you know, you'd living in Jersey wherever he lives you driving it And I know this life But then all of a sudden you gotta go to the online poverty model and it gets a little tougher. And the thing is he can't pay for the crew, and these other people they all want to eat too! You know? He's got these chickies on his round table... They're gonna walk away! No I'm... If you're not preaching to the choir on this one Yeah, it won't work The model for making money on the internet in this broadcast-like scenario

1:45:32 Like what we're doing. Requires absolute minimalism Yes! I'm not even wearing clothes We're not going to New York to track down Bunky Moon No, no... We don't have a huge staff of people, we don't have a buncha hot chicks that are We don't have studios. This is the way it has to be done. When the cicadas crank in, you hear them on the air here. Yeah when a train goes by, we hear them. That's right! I forgot about that.

1:46:12 and they we every once in a while because we do have very professional production as far as i'm concerned now we try never wants what is it what she had with you could really go to work for your operation is that we don't yeah i'm sorry so not gonna happen uh... just like an happened we don't if we had one employee that was more than just part-time or the does the spreadsheet and and keeps care since the rings out now all will be out of business and let me put it this way if we didn't have Our model, which is not a subscription model. We decided early on to take the show please enjoy and if it gives you value then consider giving us some value back if we didn't have guys like Mr Oil and Get Most Slave you know and Void Zero You know couldn't afford the back office just the bandwidth alone would put us out of business Mm-hmm. We wouldn't be able to do it. We can't afford to do this show

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1:55:23 Last month I attended the Tennessee regional debut of Pandora's premise in Knoxville, Tennessee and he sent a little flyer which he wants me to send you. The film was followed by live discussion panel of nuclear power experts that commented on the film and took questions from the audience The panel part, and this is brilliant. Oh I have this video it was really outstanding actually Yeah well listen to this the panel participants included scientists from nearby Oak Ridge University of Tennessee and representatives of TVA in US Enrichment Corporation having closed a flyer shows everyone included The panel was uninteresting until the last question when a woman asked how

1:56:07 nuclear industry could do a better job of informing the public of the real benefits and risks of nuke power. The head of Nuclear R&D at ORNL immediately responded quote, I do not have as strong of a perception that there is an anti-public negative thing about nuclear. I'm glad i stuck around for that gem! Yeah I have that. And that, I believe is probably true! These guys are clueless! Yeah, I actually have a couple of pieces from this guy Arjun Mahijani He's the guy that started the... you know where 30 times the cesium or the strontium in the water were all gonna die from Fukushima? Oh yeah right So I found our knight Sir Atomic Rod had done an interview with him several months ago when this guy came out with his latest book which is how these guys work

1:57:03 And right after we, you know we don't have to... I mean we only have one birthday. Do you really want me to play the music and everything for? Yeah let's do the music of the birthday. We have no night. We have one birthday. No! We had no money. Thank You Google again If they're not blocking us as malware and spam or they're screwing us up with real ones. We are not the only ones. They are screwing everybody just as Yahoo is doing it Targeted I can assure you there's too much money to be made by screwing everyone. Right, okay? Let me do it real quick then we might as well And it's Robert Clayson, Sir Robert I should say and he congratulates his wife who celebrated her birthday on the 11th of August. He didn't give us a name but we know she tells him to shut up slaves so happy birthday from your buddies here in the best podcast in the universe

1:58:01 And I do want to remind everybody that we need your support for the Sunday show it's already Sundays are already lower than then the Thursday shows and this is a pretty poor showing so Devorah org slash n.a Please remind your friends as well who may be listening who just didn't get the email and sign up for the email newsletter, and you can yeah We can get a bigger list that way will have at least somebody more chance more chance There's a better, yeah it's like going to Vegas. So actually there were two things you know I think because the president came out with his big

1:58:38 Energy plan a couple was it now two months ago? Maybe maybe two and a half months ago, and it included you know obviously You know gas and solar And wind and there was a provision for nuclear There was actually quite a few pages and I think that now has to be you know completely wiped off the map Which is why you're seeing all of a sudden all of these really, you know scary things about Fukushima. There was something else that had that happened which was clearly a planted anti-nuclear Strategy and I would say, I'm a fan of nuclear the new breeder technology. You know there's almost... There is no waste and it makes no sense The reason why it's not gonna happen is because it makes no financial sense because no one can rape and pillage Africa to go and get the stuff that we need

1:59:25 So this paper comes out from UT right here in the backyard and this was a working paper. I'm reading from the paper itself, the papers called Nuclear Proliferation Prevention Project, the NPPP working paper number one protecting US nuclear facilities from terrorist attack reassessing the current design basis threat approach And this is done by primarily Larrick Kirkman, a graduate research assistant at the NPPP supplemented with editing and contributions by Professor Alan J. Cooperman coordinator of the NPPP. It was prepared as part of a larger interdisciplinary study at the University of Texas at Austin for the Office of the Secretary of Defense so it's kind of like a research paper

2:00:06 And in this paper, the introduction and then we go on to threats and consequences. So it lists the threats of nuclear and number one theft of nuclear weapons. There's a whole thing about 5,000 active-inactive nuclear warheads. Then you scroll down, we've got theft of SNM Nuclear material suitable for use in weapons and then we scroll down now our page 6 almost and let's see we have sabotage of reactors, and this is an example of the news report based upon this paper by a graduate student at UT

2:00:47 Spread across the country 100 working nuclear reactors. 116 million Americans live within 50 miles of one, 26 big cities from Boston to New York Chicago to Omaha New Orleans to San Diego Now researchers say those reactors remain vulnerable to attack From a hijacked jetliner A boat sitting off the coast Or an organized ground attack So this is all from this research paper, in this news report. Terrorists could create a meltdown at the reactor in a matter of minutes... Minutes! But the SWAT teams would arrive after about an hour and half. Bull crap? And that's just not good enough. This is fantastic. Commissioned by the Pentagon, The University Of Texas report suggests more needs to be done to guard against a 9-11 scale attack but the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center says

2:01:37 It would be far more difficult today to hijack a plane and nuclear reactors. Now let me just get this straight, so the Pentagon commissioned a report so they're paid for it they commission a report at UT The UT professor took the money had his graduate students write this report it's a crazy little PDF that even has little mushroom cloud at the top there with a... I'm not kidding you! It has little mushrooms in the show notes you can see And and from that then they turn around and turn it into a news report that we're all gonna die unless we make sure the Pentagon Protects us from terrorism. That's the system, and that is going to be the new anti-nuclear Talking point as is Witnessed by I'm trying to find this guy had him this June What's his face?

2:02:28 And he is the one that started this whole... crap, how come I don't have it? Well he's been on a couple of network shows talking about this. The the strontium in the water there at Fukushima is 30 times You know the recommended dosage and we already kind of debunked that on the previous show that That is such a fraction of what you get in radiation in general now. I don't know much about Nuclear, but there is so little contrarian Messaging and information getting out there There's just all these Pico curies and micro serviettes and all this crap, and it sounds really really scary But when I get down to it these guys who are pretending to be or maybe our nuclear experts They are anti-nuclear all of them And they're the ones that get on get on TV you know and guess who's sponsoring all this stuff

2:03:21 So here's an alternative show. I would, by the way just as a crackpotty kind of thing...I would suggest that maybe these with one of our anonymous producers who went to this presentation of Pandora's Promise with a bunch of these experts and one of them says there is no anti-nuke anything going on i don't know what you're talking about it's possible at this even this is being presented in an anti nuke fashion totally yes I, when i saw Pandora's Promise the first thing I said was someone got in there and they fucked it all up. And they made it really questionable It was so poor... we talked about that? We had a whole... Yeah, I remember when you saw this is awhile back So here's this Arjun guy and he actually has a foundation of which the foundation getting of course 5013C Corp so we have no idea where the money come from

2:04:15 But he raises about $600,000 a year. He pays himself 300 thousand. He pays his wife 75 thousand and that's his foundation so it's a non-profit and And this is the kind of stuff he talks about So here he is with atomic rod now I don't think he knew that atomic just thought he was doing some podcast with some Atomic guy Which is kind of funny. But Rod, of course he ran nuclear submarines. Did Rod, did Atomic Rod post this? Yes! Well this is episode one... So it's been posted so we're not listening to a private conversation. No no no. This is actually the podcast. He guy's gonna give us the litany Yeah now this is a podcast but I don't think the guy understood where Rod was coming from. Rod you know was on nuclear subs for 20 years and he works at a big nuclear company who was trying to produce

2:05:09 As far as I'm concerned, backyard nukes. Although that's not what he is doing but that is what I want him to do Yeah! I wish you would and it'd be great to have a place up in the mountains with a well and then a nuke in the back yard Wouldn't it be great? You'd have it made Forever! Yeah, you don't even need to hook anything completely off-the-grid I am spending $600 bucks a month here on electricity What isn't a backyard nuke Sell for I think they're like, and they can get one for like 50 grand or so. The problem is the zoning John No well if you don't tell anybody anyway let's listen to this guy So here's this guy who was called in him to be an expert on all the shows And it's spouting off this You know these numbers which sounds scary when you say 30 times a recommended dosage free of drinking water But it's really a you know 1o of a percent of what you get on an annual basis anyway

2:06:05 And here he is just saying that he hates nuclear. I work every day for nuclear safety because i know even though i don't like nuclear power particularly or at all. Or at all! He doesn't like it at all and he's the expert in nuclear So he's always presented as... He doesn't like it at all! At all? Is he the expert. Because he writes books about it It's like a guy is a wine taster Oh you know, I hate wine But now look Here's a Merlot blend You can maybe try that I hate Merlots Yeah It makes no sense

2:06:40 So, but I'll play a little bit more of this. But I figured out what these guys are really pushing for it's quite interesting We do have it and even if we stopped all the reactors we still have spent fuel pool safety problems for decades to come So we need, we actually need to make sure that we won't have an accident. We need safety systems here that are very rigorous and we need a real regulation system regulatory system that's actually attending all of these things. So what would happen to spent fuel pool that has say fuel that has been out of the reactor for... Now here is Rod who knows everything about nuclear safety he setting this guy up its pretty funny

2:07:20 He's like, okay so this horrible because this is what you hear about the spent fueled rods and they're gonna be a terrorist blows it up everything will melt down to be horrible. So here's a guy who actually knows what can happen versus a fear monger Who writes books and takes money in a non-profit way? To scare people into using gas I guess 18 months and the water suddenly disappeared from this fuel pool. Well, it could depend... If you read the Brookhaven report you'll see that there's a whole range of outcomes with accidents damages in the event of a fire ranging from under $1 billion to as I said $4.5 billion dollars This is important Rod saying that the key point here

2:08:04 Okay, how would the fire start? So okay you know yeah the nuclear rods might be a problem but you need to have a fire. How would the fire start? The fire starts when the water is drained and there's some very hot fuel in it now If all the fuel is very cool and the fuel is very separated, which is what we've been advocating then you probably won't have a fire and you won't have severe consequences. But if we have spent fuel pools like Vermont Yankee which has 40 years worth of spent fuels jammed into one spent fuel pool more spent fuel than all the four Fukushima stricken reactors put together

2:08:47 And spent fuel in it when you withdraw it if you have an accident close to that time or a terrorist attack You could have a pretty devastating fire, so here's the messaging So we have these Newton reactors with four times the amount of Fukushima just to give you a frame of mind and If we have a terrorist attack Why yes, then we can have a problem. Unlike a terrorist attack on oh I don't know Afghans fuel depots at airports tankers you know this is bullshit Oil refineries Thank you No one ever talks about that but so the new narrative is going to be And by the way I've always believed that oil refineries are the least protected of all these things and you get one of those things blowing up You got a mess on your hands

2:09:39 Nothing happens. You know there is no terror that monetarism is actually in this Continent is next to nothing except for the guys that are the idiots that are set up by the FBI But the problem that we're seeing now, is you've got the movement against Against nuclear is taking I mean now we have like and the alternative media is duped It's 100% being duped into this and and we are alternative thinking and conspiratorial by nature. Oh admit that right off the bat because of that This is being played into to say oh, they're there keeping secrets about Fukushima There's a cloud coming The Cloud of Radiation is going to kill you

2:10:20 We're all going to die. It's not cycle on that too. What do you mean a cycle? Fukushima is gonna blow any minute You know every so often this crops back into the conversation and it's those and it's back right now And that's just because I'm the money's being spent Money's being made available for the president's plan of action and oh, and by the way had that fracking thing Not working out So well have you have you been looking at the financials John? No, I haven't. Oh all the you know so fracking was supposed to be you know turn us into the new OPEC but But this stuff is not working It's the wells and it's like oh well it's not really you know BP and Shell Yeah Shell they're closing down some stuff And you know the big fracking companies are losing money How can you have a natural fossil fuel company and lose money?

2:11:13 That makes no sense. Yeah, it's like owning a casino and losing money somehow. How can you lose money on that? This makes no sense but here's what these guys like this Arun guy... Here is what they really want. I didn't actually talk about demand management in carbon-free or nuclear free. Listen to what he says. Demand management This is very interesting. Demand management... What?!

2:11:58 Demand management, he allows his electricity provider to turn off his air conditioning for a couple of hours on the hottest days. What? Is that the future for us is the elect? This is the smart grid by the way, the other yeah The electric companies will be able to on the hottest day when you want it. The most you had the most they're gonna turn it off That's actually curtailment of service Curtailment of services these are good words write them down demand management curtailment of services shut up slave Weber

2:12:33 However, there are lots of ways of demand management in an intelligent grid. And that's why I said today we can do it. 30 years ago, I don't think it would have been possible. Today you can build a refrigerator that can talk to the utility. Do you care when the defrost cycle in your freezer is operating? Yes! You don't? You don't know when it happens. I don't know when it happens, and I don't care what happened if I said a dishwasher to operate now unless I'm having a party in one two override I Love the need an overrides on your dishwasher cuz I'm having a party this

2:13:15 This takes me back to the promise, where is my internet fridge that is going to automatically order the milk for me? Yeah. This is how you demand- The washing machine that's gonna call the repairman. Yeah this is bullshit! The dishwasher from operating when there's plenty of wind... I don't care when the dishwasher operates. The- Yeah I do! I do?! Of course I care when it operates. I want it to operate when I'm asleep so when I wake up in the morning its done Or the clothes washing machine operate I care about that too. My wife, she loves to wash! You can't be turning it off and say no washing for you Miss Mickey When we see actually she loves she really she's loved washing. It's really true So you can have an intelligent grid without any curtailment of service at reasonable cost Do we have it today? No today the total amount of communication between consumers and producers as Represented by our on-off switches now, yeah, so we're gonna have all these on off switches, so here's heres so that the future we could have is

2:14:17 What I believe is that the future we need is very affordable once you have it. Once its in place, nuclear is very affordable because you get this little football size of stuff and just runs and you don't even have to have huge grids You could have one nuke in the backyard and power a whole neighborhood And then everyone could you know could turn on their washing machine whenever they wanted and it wouldn't be burning stuff You know fossil fuel dirty crap in the air instead of that. We're going to have more crap we're gonna have gas we're gonna Have still have coal which by the way kills 6,000 people a year just miners trying to get the coal and we're going to be turned into slaves A to pay for it I'm already paying 600 a month here in Austin for two people

2:15:05 two people for electricity and it's going to be demand management and curtailment of services. Yeah, when you need the services so yeah then we're so this is slavery And the alternative media, you're right is on this cycle and they are being sucked into it with this stupid like we're not being told. They are keeping things... It's a ruse! It's a farce! We gotta find out the PR agencies behind this. This is good stuff companies man these guys are huge well the Arun guy his form 990 lists nothing but he's just one of these you know you get a guy who was Indian and you know he writes a book boom he's your guy. You know we need some kids look for the kids now anti-nuke kids yeah all about gas yeah you watch but this is this is that these are the biggest I think these are so huge John and then I found this great...this is really funny

2:16:06 So now we have, you were the one who taught us about the global cooling in the 1970s. Right? Because I was around in the 70's but... I witnessed it! Yeah, I was like playing with G.I Joe and The Barneys We're all gonna die Okay, so here's what's on NBC. It's out in the alarm a leaked report about the danger happening all around us tonight The key finding in this leak draft report is that it's quote extremely likely as in greater than 95% That human activity is the main cause of the planet's temperature rise in the last 60 years

2:16:45 At the top of the world in Arctic Greenland, scientists like Dr. Jason Box study the icy landscape He says all this might be lost to climate change mostly caused by humans burning fossil fuels There's no debate No debate! It's really quite simple We've overloaded the atmosphere with heat trapping gas and the rest are just details Ida Aulia Akwelaklinge says melting ice means his people struggled to reach traditional hunting grounds Some have even fallen through the thinning ice and died. You're saying that a way of life is so threatened it could die. His message essentially is that we in the industrialized world are using more than our fair share and our grandchildren will pay the price less. Ann Curry, very sobering, very sobering Ann. I think we should just go all nuke So first of all Ann Curry...I denounce you from using my last name

2:17:49 You are no longer, you can call yourself whatever you want but not Curry. This is denounced So ever since we kind of started this topic and I have to say since the invention of bit message where people feel very comfortable at sending me messages that you can find my bitten message address on my blog curry calm III got this grip and this is from March this year dr Don Easterbrook Have you ever heard of this guy? Sounds familiar. Dr Don Easterbrook is an actual professor and he testified in front of the, let me just get this I want to say it properly, the Washington Senate the committee on the CMTE so what is that? That's Committee on Energy Environment whatever yeah

2:18:39 And he, this guy and you have to watch his videos in the show notes of course it's under climate gate slash agenda 21. I have three little clips from him, which is it's just fantastic what? What he's putting in here so here. He is what's this guy's name again Easter Brook dr.. Don Easter Brooke doctor Don rose So his entire thing is the nut the climate data has been manipulated by NASA and Noah And what they do is he says that there that it was hotter in 1930 there were more heat records broken in fact it is he is a proponent of global cooling and He shows. Oh yeah, I think he's one of the guys that goes back to the 70s

2:19:25 Well, born in 1935. He's been around since the 70s. So here he is explaining how there were more records in the 30s than now and then we're gonna get into Senator Ranker who was really pissed off about this guy testifying at his committee. And so they come up with a headline saying oh it's warmer now that I wasn't. This is their original data before they manipulated What? They manipulated the data?! You'll see that if we take the top ten, number two was 1934. Three was 1939 Four is 1931 Five was 1930 Six was 1933 Seven in 1938 And guess what they're all in the 1930's Yeah, they called a dust bowl because of this That's right The hottest decade of this century

2:20:12 Not the present, not the last decade. But the hottest of centuries. Over here you look at all these 2000s These are all second tier 10 11 So he's showing that top 20 years essentially and the top ten are in the 30s And this past year two year is all in the tens to twenties Through twenty This what the present temperature has been doing and it nowhere close to the other If you plot that data this is what it looks like This is a number of temperature records that were broken in any given year. These are years down here, so here we are right here and now we're breaking somewhere around 2,000 records...temperature records for warmth and you think wow! 2000? That's a lot but look at what it was doing in 1936-1934 10,000

2:21:05 We are setting record highs at a rate of about only 1 4th of those that occurred in the 1930s. Now when you see this data laid out, it becomes apparent what they're doing because yeah, you can have the hottest August 22nd at 4pm in history But that doesn't mean that August 23rd will be the record because that and that record probably lies back in the 30s. So it's so manipulative, that he now explains this how this data has been manipulated and Senator Ranker who is a Democrat is so on board with this climate stuff He can't believe what he's hearing and his getting pissed off. Lies! Lies! Everybody should agree. Listen, listen...

2:21:52 This slide goes contrary to the data I have before me. So, I'm just curious of what you're basing your metadata on? Where are your samples taken from and then also what's your opinion about the data that I have before me which seems contrary to what you're putting forward? I don't know if it is contrary and what I just said a moment ago was that I am showing you the original data And what you're looking at is the data that has been tampered with by NOAA and NASA. I can show you curves of what that data looked like in 1936, what it looked like in 1980, 1990 and 2000. get cooler every year if they put out a new issue, and the temperatures that are in the 2000 plus get warmer because they have frankly tampered with the data. That's the difference between what you're looking at and what I'm looking at minus original data. One quick follow-up Mr. Chair? Sure. So National Science Foundation NASA and NOAA have manipulated the data Yes thats true. I can show you the data

2:22:54 There's now steam coming out of the guys head. I'm not saying that they have done something which is scurrilous and evil, what i am saying simply is something everybody will agree on and that is they have adjusted the data. Adjusted? And if you look at how they've adjusted it, 1930s always get lower because of the adjustments they made from the original data and the 2,000 plus always get warmer. So this of course completely blows out the thing what is the president said time and time again John? And everybody agrees climate change is a problem? The hottest 12 years on record. Everybody says that. Just ranker by the way, so Orcas Island is a total douchebag but I can see him being all in on this So let's hear him spit this back and of course there's only one thing you can throw at a guy like this Sure they're like little punctuation marks here and there they don't persist They're not a factor if they give you a 1 year 2 year spike then they are gone

2:23:52 Okay, so in the follow-up and this gets back to the data I have before me which seems again contrary but So you're talking about a trend particularly over the last decade maybe 15 years of cooling yet what? I have before me is that 2000 2012 was the warmest 12 year period in instrumental record another word since we've been recording heat of the planet and what we're in, the last 12 years were the hottest on record. And that's peer-reviewed data that I have before me and so my question to you is is that because what I'm looking at has been manipulated by

2:24:31 NASA and NOAA and the National Science Foundation? What's the difference here because we obviously have conflicting information before us. Right, I don't know what your data is or where it came from so I can't answer that specifically why it's different but what I can tell you is that the data that I'm showing you is original data as I've just shown you in 1930s were warmer decade than past decade If you use original data, that's what I'm telling you. And if you have something that is different than that my guess would be although without knowing what your data is I can't say for sure it probably this manipulated data by NOAA and NASA or the subunit of NASA deals with climate and what they do is they make what they call adjustments to their data The net effect of which is to make

2:25:21 Warm periods like a 1930s cooler and raised the temperature of the last decade artificially Not from the original data myaneous original data. Is this a conspiracy? I'm simply And this guy, so I don't have enough time to play all the great stuff he's talking about. He says CO2 can never be responsible for global warming and he explains that with really simple charge. It is such an infinitesimal small amount of our atmosphere it can't be trapping anything it's all bull crap! And it was nice knowing Dr Don Eastbrook

2:25:59 Yeah, cuz he will be dead soon. That's for sure making way Making away too much sense you very entertaining please go to the show notes 541 dot na show notes calm under climate gate slash Agenda 21 it's just funny it's really lovely I really enjoy And this guy, you know he's like I got no dog in the sun. I don't give a crap! I have no political affiliations...I just have the data that's all I've got. Yeah, I just get the facts and then you know you guys can say whatever you want But what he really says is it's getting colder and yet He has a chart that you know he says the winters are getting much colder because please ignore that It's snowing in England in London Please ignore that Russia You know like hundreds of people died and there was freezing 40 below and please ignore all that

2:26:51 It's just like wow. So I ran into a similar character this John Rappaport, you should look him up in the Wikipedia as an old investigative journalist Yeah, remember him? Yeah He's like 70 something and he was on some podcast And it was interesting because he essentially has got to know it doesn't have his many little no agenda litanies in his armor or in is ammo but he's got the same ones we have you said your do Snowden works for the CIA the whole things part of us you know fight between agencies now is this his own podcast or I know he was a you know he writes a bloggies pretty these like I want to follow him somebody brought it brought him into a podcast and then we talks about you know I say I guess a peak John that's all over podcasts at peak he's got the same thoughts on this wine flew

2:27:43 pretty much every single thing. But he has a couple of interesting metas that actually one of them is kind of bothersome because it's like, well we probably knew this but we didn't quite know it but he discusses how news uses mind control and goes into all these things that...he doesn't have a number of our insights to certain events that take place in the terrorist realm, but he's... play this clip. The RAP mind control and the news and just listen He discusses how all these things are never resolved on purpose Let's just follow this in the coming weeks and months Just the way we followed the swine flu Fast & Furious Benghazi The IRS

2:28:32 treatment of, you know applicants for non-profit status the spying on reporters The AP and Fox and Cheryl Atkinson etc. Etc. Etc And let's just see where they really end up do they really end up anywhere? No They don't end up anywhere and that's part of my work You know as a journalist to point this out to people they don't end up anywhere And so some people take this as a sign that I'm not on board with the, whatever the standard alternative news is supposed to be. Because if I were then I would be elevating Snowden into some great position in the sky but what i'm saying is no you don't understand these stories don't have an ending Don't you see? They've never had and ending and you can go back as far as you want to history and you will see that

2:29:32 So this is what you have to learn. This is sort of the meta level of understanding of information in the news these stories don't have an ending and there's a reason for that And that's why you have to understand what mind control really is and What hypnosis really is and what a trance really? Is in order to really get a perspective on what the news really is I Okay, let me see. It won't take long before someone comes out with a story John Rappaport has freaked out He is a conspiracy theorist crackpot he is not to be trusted and he's on drugs

2:30:11 Well, there's all those and the others. And he also has this other one I got this other little clip from him where it just a shorty and as it talks about which I think is kind of interesting in itself even though I think that that clip you just heard is the real... It was great clip yeah Yeah! That's his rationale for understanding of the media and this is a little one that's kinda just kinda cute clip Sure, but we're talking about monster agencies here with huge numbers of people and billions and billions in funding And who knows what else they're doing on the side to line their pockets. And so how policy secret internal policy is

2:30:53 formed and shaped over years of this interrelational Interagency warfare is just another matter entirely separate from that and It does take place. And yes, you're right many of these people have already sold out completely to the globalist vision So they don't really care what happens to America as this is so sad Mickey now we're talking this morning remember the the soldier who was on our plane when we came back from vacation and he was in a coffin, obviously. And we got the picture of that as his family's in the tarmac. So I found out from Agent Orange who can find out anything pretty much in military said yeah, I want to know who this kid was and he was I think 22 and the language that was used in the report about him is basically...I think we're pretty sure committed suicide in Germany

2:31:50 And you know, so and that's the real bummer when you think about it. It is one thing to have this stupid crazy war against something invisible and people getting blown up and maimed and killed... it's another thing that people... I've been over there! These kids are freaked out they're like what the fuck are we doing here? This is nuts! They freak out then they wind up killing themselves but I think what Mickey said What what is the does this result in anything are these wars good for anything and I said no it's all about money It's about money and power, and we're in all of us as people not the globalist vision. We're just cannon fodder It's it's it's all about money all about money and power and resources And we're irrelevant

2:32:35 Well, it's the way it is. I wish I had saved...I had a clip once and we never use her whatever but it was one of these from some army spokesman they've made the claim that these suicides are turns out It's not really got nothing, it turns out there is no connection between the suicides and multiple deployments. There is no connection whatsoever I was in Iraq and the first night I was in Iraq I was just talking to Marines okay? Marines And these marines were 6 foot 7 and all of a sudden this guy breaks down crying! He's falling into my arms crying A huge marine Granted he was 20

2:33:23 and he's just like, I guess there was...I don't know what button i hit but he was just freaking out because didn't know what he was doing there. He doesn't want to kill children of just because they're brown and live in sand They are not doing anything wrong! The whole thing is wrong! Sorry, I didn't mean to get on that tangent. That goes off the deal. No, I'm sorry. So anyway this Rappaport guy believes that this whole thing He dissected, deconstructed Snowden's all his stories. None of them make any sense! None of them make any sense he was here and he was supposed to be this computer guy and they joined the army and they made him special forces because he was high school dropout but a computer genius who breaks two legs

2:34:06 and then they get rid of him he says why would I get rid of him is that you said computer guy with this is a make it was laser don't need that Tony let me goes on with every one of these stories and so the only thing that only thing that makes any sense is that in fact if you listen to the Rachel Maddow clip she's all in on display the Rachel Maddow shows rare skepticism clip. Okay, I think when you balance what the government needs to do in order to keep us safe. One of the things you need to do, in order even have the argument reasonably is to know whether what they are doing actually does keep us safe and that's why NSA's failures to even know what Ed Stoden took from them seem to me like an important thing. If they don't even know what they've got, and they do not know when something is gone then I'm not sure that I want to trust them with everything that their taking Here is the thing John

2:34:58 More people heard Rachel Maddow say that from this podcast than when it originally aired. This is true, but there are people that listen to her anyway So this guy's thinking is the following me any we could go through the whole thing about Snowden Which we have actually already done I think we've done I'm almost kind of tired of it because now they're agenda Well, we're propagating somebody's agenda. But we're just discussing it so his thinking is that Snowden being the CIA guy he never got any of this information because there is no way these systems don't have all kinds of blocks and I mean in fact if you try to do a lot of stuff on any government computer there are a lot roadblocks even if your the sysop it doesn't make sense to him

2:35:45 and with it in mind that the NSA doesn't know what Snowden took, which means there's no logs of any sort. Which is bull crap! There are logs of everything He was given all this material according to Rappaport by the CIA To leak it because the damned NSA is getting a big budget increase while the CIA is get their budget cut And they're not putting up with it anymore. And there you go That's it? Well thats what we've said from day one Yeah. NoMoreFakeNews.com I think is Jon Rappaport's website. Looks pretty cool, he has an RSS feed I hope, I'll subscribe to that

2:36:24 Yeah, now that I see his picture. I'm like yeah, I know this guy used to be CBS Maybe he might have done CBS reports Can you also run for it? Hold on a second? Did ya ran for office and lost what oh Well if you're gonna tell the truth no No You can't be a part of our club All right Let me play you were Sharpton clip to lift our mood This is uh this is a classic Sharpton flub It's hard to come by. Yeah, they are getting more difficult to find because I think they do post on him now. I Think they have a 20-second delay just to edit the stupid shit out that he says So this is for some reason this is about...I don't know.. I'm not following any of this and again No one watches this no one's watching these channels

2:37:09 This is Sharpton talking about Senator Cruz apparently has handed in his birth certificate. He was born in Canada, I think? Yeah. And which is speculating you know fueling speculation that he might run for president or whatever but here's a classic Sharpton flub on this non-interesting topic of news with more on the continuing saga of Ted Cruz. Canadian by birth, extremist by choice. The senator released his Canadian birth certificate this weekend starting talk over whether he's eligible to run for president since his mother was American experts agree Senator Cruz was a US senator from birth and eligible to... There we go

2:37:57 A US Senator from birth is what he was. What an idiot! That's a good one And did you hear the latest Manning? No, besides changing his name to Chelsea Clinton? No no I mean Reverend Manning Oh then no actually this is my day You're stepping on my toes here Do you have a Manning? But I go back and hit the well every so often for some water This one is classic. Only a black reverend could say this and I just love this guy the way he's funny, the way he says stuff. That this man failed we gave a black man

2:38:47 the highest prize in the universe and then after that we gave him the Nobel Prize for peace even though he didn't earn it. We gave to him everything that he needed to succeed, we gave him everything that he needed to succeed! We gave them everything he needed to lead his people, we gave them everything you need it to help black people, he needed to change the world and not let me some black people we gave him everything to heal slavery. We gave him the presidency, and we gave them the Nobel Prize for peace! WE GAVE HIM EVERYTHING!!! And a nigga failed... It's like Richard Pryor The guy is phenomenal Yeah you're right man, he's only gonna get away with it now Hey I wanted to thank everybody for all of the research on The Bertha Foundation i think we've pretty much figured out and guess what?

2:39:40 Okay, it seems like we actually have a good guy. Oh yeah so okay So I why be hiding well this well There's a number of reasons possibly so this all goes to remember Lara Tabat snake is the CEO and founder? Of the Bertha Foundation The Bertha foundation is this outfit that has just handing out money left and right mainly to fund documentaries So I thought it'd stop with Laura, but actually it all stems from her father Anthony or aka Tony Tabatsnik. Now Tony Tabatsnik and all of this research is in the show notes and its quite in depth And people have gotten... Our show is so phenomenal when you see the research People have gotten documents from Swiss business registries from South Africa We know everything there is to know that's available about the Tabatsnick family

2:40:35 But in a nutshell, Tony Tabatsnik made billions of dollars. In fact he sold his company to Merck BV that's registered in the Netherlands by making generic drugs by finding loopholes in trademark copyright and patent law So we started very early on making generic drugs, you know selling them making a killing and then Merck basically said well screw this guy We're gonna buy him. So he sold out for you know one point happened to most generic drug Oh yeah, so now Merck generic or the generic it is Merck generics? so he made you know billions of dollars and he decided that he was going to put a lot of his money to good work by and And this is what's interesting

2:41:21 He is what's known as, and I found a whole bunch of links here. They call them the self-hating Jews. And yeah... We know about the self hating Jews. Self loathing is usually the way it's referred to Well, just reading what I have in writing not my own personal Whatever. So here is, he is part of a large group particularly British but they're also in the United States Jews who are very angry at Israeli policy particularly as it relates to Palestine So if you go and you look at At the movies that he's financing or indirectly financing, but his I think it's his son Neil He's an executive producer. There's this whole the whole Seth to bot snake It's just tons of two bots nicks all in in movies and documentaries mainly

2:42:15 The ones that are financed are against American policy that influences Israel or directly against Israeli policy as it relates to Palestine. Very interesting, so this money and I'm neither here nor there on whatever's going on in the Middle East because Jesus has been going on my entire life But the idea that he's taking his money and putting it into these documentaries I think is kind of interesting. And, and I have to say I couldn't really find anything...and he looks like a weird hippie this Tabassum guy. Yeah these types of...this group is very pro-Pepe. They're the ones with the bumper stickers all over Berkeley

2:42:58 uh... you'd stop that israeli stopped israeli occupation of palestine right well i'm on the time against the this killing is going on for sure it seems like a link to the isn't what's going on there isn't dual responsibility problem and they're been opportunities especially during the era fat regime uh... too solve these problems in and when one sides agrees to do with the other side refuses and there was a really good uh... number potentials that took place, came and went. And a lot of people believe that the lot of it has to do with kind of a certain type of specific corruption that you find in especially in the Palestine area but yeah if you want I don't know this seems to be pretty targeted to me so that's why he is hiding because he knows there are bunches

2:43:47 other Jews that would take offense at this one guy spending all his money on this one thing. And what's funny about it is here is... I had to chuckle and I'll just say because on this podcast, I've said this in mainstream media before and got in big trouble for it but here's an example of a Jew influencing the media. You can't ignore what is happening! Yeah! I'd said that once in Holland And I had to, got called out in newspapers and you're an anti-Semite. It was crazy! But look at this... Anyway... Irrelevant

2:44:28 So that's what is going on with this guy. Okay, well then we... That is all we need to do with them? We know he is essentially a pro-Palestinian Jewish guy who is just gonna throw money at a problem. Well also no I think that what you are seeing is any project that has anti American support of Israel of the current Israeli regime. Pink Floyd fame is now reading leading this whole kind of like Remember the Sun City thing when Bruce Springsteen and Steve Vincent and these three and all those guys like won't play Sun City Which because of apartheid in South Africa? So Roger Waters is trying to set something up like that. And and using the same apartheid words and trying to get everyone to stop playing in in Israel

2:45:31 How original. That's what these guys do! Yeah, all right well I don't think that's going to go anywhere but we can see what happens. But i just thought it was interesting that we know here is this guy and he's funny and by the way you know... No, definitely found the guy, dug him up and we had a lot of help and got to bottom of whole thing and turns out not be that interesting but I can see why he's hiding. You have to take it further because he's financing Laura Poitras who is and you know he's financing all of these people that are involved with the snowed in stuff so did i know that it was a fishy part we have to figure out why what his point risk and it did well she did approve no she still wanted to pro uh... iraq thing they were the other she followed her original documentary which is my country my country or whatever my country my country with this guy and as if there was very scathing and i suppose that what's-his-name

2:46:30 uh... that goes on everything said so it's his name that would have got the beer to do did the documentary that was sold popular for a while the guy with the beard together at sea Yeah, who's the guy with the beard? The guy who kept showing up and we had clips of him He's the one who did this story about how were screwing everybody. You know, the war thing is a scam I can't remember his name but he was part if I looked at this guy could find it or the Foundation I'd find his name We've talked about him a million times. I can't come up with it. I believe you I just can't think of what the guy with that beard is His name's on a couple of clips

2:47:09 But very entertaining guy, he's always on the Democracy Now and... Is it like a long beard or short beard? No it was just a little short douchebag beard. It is not big deal. He should be seeing him by now with my fine description! I'm just racking my brain. You're not racking your brain. I am racking my brain Anyway the guys newest this the newest hot movie that's floating around about surveillance state, the wars the whole thing. So I think you can take this a step further and so it may be it's just his kids that are shelling out the money and that people are taking advantage of it which I think is very feasible but everything that is essentially anti-israeli American imperialistic motives which yeah the war in Iraq and Afghanistan you could say that that's all a part of it he seems to be wanting to finance that stuff

2:48:07 Yeah, well somebody's got to do it Jeremy Scahill. Yeah there you go somebody in the chat room yeah of course I didn't know we had a bit yet the dirty wars guy exactly at Dirty Wars that guy yeah That is fine. That's his son Neil so Neil was the executive producer on that one But how does it tie into the Snowden stuff? That's what's that? That's that's what's puzzling $24 question unless they're well You know Poitras of course was did one of the movies for him which was right down the line, the checklist that you just cited. She did that and now maybe she's working on something similar and we don't know what it is and maybe that's what they've exchanged these documents about because I'm all in on the fact that Snowden gave

2:48:52 Glenn Greenwald, everything. He's got it all so there is no reason to talk anymore. Snowden can go do his own thing So maybe something else going on which is maybe more interesting How about this? There was someone else accompanying David Miranda and this was part of the documentary and at least his incarceration or temporary incarceration was filmed That could be Because he did come from Poitras And she said, okay here's my boy Wolfgang. He is going to fly with you and he is going to have the GoPro and your gonna get yourself arrested and your gonna have recording devices and everything...and he'll get some of it! Won't all of it but will get some of it. And they'll get a lot of that back

2:49:40 It's, uh... Hmm. Yeah, somethings up. Yeah. Movie- movie time. We're being duped again! The public. By these idiots that make more money than we do. That's okay I'm having more fun than they are Well, that could be Speak for yourself I am speaking for myself and i do it with great pleasure So when I go visit Gibraltar, I'm going to take a drive up the A7 and go to Malaga. Malaga? You say malaga, I say malaga... depends. They got good wine there! Alright everybody that is it for today's program Reminder we'll be back on Sunday and we do need your help for the research were doing

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