40:41 Anderson Pooper takes it five steps further when he gets her on the air. Oh yeah, this was good. Now this comes on the heels of a Kennedy kid committing suicide, diagnosed with clinical depression. Again, we can't have a talk about that. We won't really know, did she overdose on something? Was it her regular meds? Did she commit suicide? We don't know. We'll never know because it's, listen to the numbers, a quarter of a billion dollars. And that's just to the politicians. It's in the, what, $20 billion, $18 billion range for marketing in the US on pharmaceuticals, a lot of that going to television news networks.
41:24 So here is a great slapdown, I'd say, although it will not get her elected between Marianne Williamson and Anderson Cooper. With due respect, when Kate Spade died, you tweeted out, how many public personalities on antidepressants have to hang themselves before the FDA does something? Big Pharma cops to what it knows, and the average person stops falling for this, the tragedies keep compounding. the awakening should begin. You do seem to be implying a that Kate Spade was on antidepressants which I don't think we have any knowledge of nor is it anybody's business but you seem to be linking... No! No! It's no one's business! We don't want to know! We don't want to know what's going on because the truth might come out!
42:12 Famous people with antidepressants and suicide and many people who are on antidepressants have had suicidal ideation long before they were taking antidepressants. Anderson's a doctor now, this is great. And the FDA, there is a black box warning on antidepressants that for people 25 years old and younger The risk of suicidal ideation is increased rather than decreased. Do you know how many teenagers and young people... But not for people over 24. And again, just... Putting out a blanket tweet when in the wake, you know, on the day somebody has died, implying that they were on antidepressants and that's what caused their suicide, that just seems irresponsible. Well, Anderson, I could say the same thing. Stop! Wait, wait, wait. Listen to her answer. It's worth it. Then we can discuss. Listen to her answer. When in the wake, you know, on the day somebody has died, implying that they were on antidepressants and that's what caused their suicide, that just seems irresponsible.
43:14 Well, Anderson, I could say the same thing to you given how many pharmaceutical companies advertise on your show. I don't know. I've never seen the ads on my show, so I don't know what pharmaceutical companies... Well, you might want to look at it. I've never seen the ads. I don't know what you're talking about. Wow, what a liar. That's not true. Oh yeah, he'll double down. There's no way that he doesn't know about the ads. Oh, he'll double down. The point I was going to make was that when he asks is that irresponsible, how is it irresponsible? Irresponsible in what way that she said, she just made some... I would say she's an offhanded comment, snide remark in fact, that when we're gonna do something about all these antidepressants. What's irresponsible about that? I'm not understanding. Well he's a scientist you see. He's defending his advertiser. Saying that's irresponsible because if you say that then people will really go crazy if they don't take our meds.
44:15 Which are paying for my salary. Oh, I didn't know that. I never see the ads on my show. I don't know what I'm talking about. That just seems irresponsible. Well, Anderson, I could say the same thing to you given how many pharmaceutical companies advertise on your show. I don't know. I've never seen the ads on my show, so I don't know what pharmaceutical companies... You might want to look at it. But I gotta be telling you... You might want to look at it. I'm not impacted... So when you say to me... I'm not impacted by who advertises on my show. I don't know who advertises on my show. It's not any interest to me, I'm sure it is to people in this company, but I don't care. What I care about is people who are dying and there's a stigma for people actually seeking medical help for something that could save their life and you know, that has saved my life and I think it's important. So here's Anderson being Dr. Anderson and explaining why he's important and he's agnostic and nothing influences his journalistic credibility.
45:07 Which is a lie. Of course it's a lie. I mean you can't turn on CNN without seeing who's sponsoring. And that was... and I don't... quite frankly I'm shocked that he thinks he can get away with a lie like that. That's fine, I just say I don't know and I don't care, it's no interest to me. That's the definition of- In the world that honestly can say that, they would say that it's not possible. I've gotten into discussions with people about this. If someone's advertising all the time and they're carrying the load, in this case, pharmaceutical companies are carrying the load of the advertisement, it's not as though it's like some schmuck that, oh, well, okay, well, my pillow guy's not gonna advertise anymore. What are we gonna do about it?
45:53 All of that, he may be propping up Fox. He is propping up Fox at the moment. But that's just disingenuous and that's a lie. Yeah. You always take it into consideration. You don't want to get fired. for saying something bad about an advertiser. Let's wait for Anderson Cooper to do a special on drug-related deaths from pharmaceuticals. I'm waiting for that special. That would indicate to me that, okay, well, maybe he's being sincere, but nobody's sincere about this. This is just a blatant lie. For eight years, I worked in a high-output production environment
46:33 With a lot of sponsors on cable and you knew exactly who the sponsors were you know how you know that? You know that by never making a joke about skittles that you never make a fucking joke about skittles because they were carrying the network in the beginning And you know these things you don't make jokes we could even make jokes about Madonna because she was carrying the network to agree to a degree at one point and But now, the definition of irresponsibility is not knowing who is paying your bills. Anderson Cooper. What if it was some right-wing Nazi propagandist outfit? You wouldn't know? Please. That, you know, when I read people saying, well, all these drugs cause suicide, I mean, that's just not true. I don't say that.
47:21 Anderson, I'm sorry. You said to me a few minutes ago with all due respect, I felt very little respect here. I felt very little opportunity to say what I believe. And I feel the person who's had some blank statements said about them on this program is me. I have simply never had the blanket conversation that you are now suggesting that I've had. And when it comes to people who are suicidal, I have a 35 year career working with people in despair. I have had a 35 year career working with people in crisis. I've had a 35 year career working with people in pain. I have people who psychiatrists send to me to have worked with them. I have been up close and personal with people in their pain and in their despair for decades. And the idea that I am glib
48:09 about that conversation is a complete mischaracterization and misrepresentation of my career. I'm not casting aspersions on your career or saying you're glib in any way. You are deadly serious about this and you have very strong beliefs and I'm discussing them with you. I just don't understand some of your public statements and you've addressed them. Let me speak. And he can't let it go because he has to defend the advertiser. At this point, He's defending, wouldn't you say? This makes no sense. If you don't know your ads, why don't you just let her speak or get into it? But he's defending. First of all, a couple of things. When you're interviewing and someone's got something to say, try to let them talk themselves out.
48:57 Unless they're gonna be like Beto O'Rourke did on ABC this morning where they let him talk too much. And he went on and on and on about how Trump, you know, is a big fan of Nazi white supremacists. That's the right message, of course. And they never cut him off. But for the most part, in this situation with Cooper trying to get this stuff out of her, I don't know why he just... He's, yeah, he's being very defensive. He's defending something. Exactly. We're not saying you're glib in any way. You are deadly serious about this and you have very strong beliefs. But I am not saying... I'm discussing them with you. I just don't understand some of your public statements and you've addressed them and I think... Let me speak. Anderson, let me speak. This is not a conversation that we're having. Well, I think it is. I need to try to... You say you didn't say stuff and then I read you quotes and this is a conversation.
49:47 Explain when people are taking antidepressants who have had serious serious pain and serious depression in their lives And they are helped by them. I'm happy for them. Yes, I am happy for them when I'm by the way I'm pretty sure Anderson may be on antidepressants. That's that's that may also be what he's defending. I young people and I meet them all the time. Once again, I'm the one here who has had a lot of experience with people in pain. When I meet particularly... But I just don't think telling people that it's going to numb them is a good idea. Oh, well that's your belief. I believe that to tell a person under the age, may I speak, when I believe that a person under 25 and I meet them all the time. You're not specifying this in your comments. You're saying one in ten are on antidepressants, not a good sign, not a time in American history for us to be numbing our pain. Telling a person who's depressed and is 40 years old and thinking about suicide that if they take an antidepressant. I'm not talking. Huh?
50:48 What? I said most of them. Yeah. May I please speak? I'm not talking about people who are suicidal. I'm talking about people who are depressed about the world today, given the fact that the world is depressing. Okay, I'm talking about clinically depressed people are not depressed just because the world is depressing. Oh, now he's threatening. See again, it's Dr. Anderson Cooper, who now knows all about clinical depression. Excuse me, but you are the one making some blanket statements here that there is no particular scientific evidence to prove you are talking about clinical depression as though there is a blood test. You can talk about you can talk about chemistry. This is okay. This is why I had this long clip. This is important because this is the truth about clinical depression.
51:38 And I think certainly today's under 25s as per the black box labeling are told that this is just an imbalance in your brain. It's a chemical imbalance and by the way you cannot refute this if a doctor says this to a young person and you say hmm I'm skeptical you need to shut up the doctor said there's something wrong with my chemistry in my head and that is that is the selling point that is the unique selling point of antidepressants in particular SSRIs which we really don't have full research on by admission of everybody's we don't exactly know all the long-term effects of them
52:18 And we should mention that in most of these ads they will actually state that. They'll say, we don't know why or how this works and then they just keep going. Yes, and the under 24 mention is also in the disclaimer. The world is depressing. They have a chemical imbalance. But you are the one making some blanket statements here that there is no particular scientific evidence to prove. You are talking about clinical depression as though there is a blood test. You can talk about chemical imbalance, but you can also talk about chemical changes that come about through yoga, chemical balances that come about through prayer, chemical changes that come about through sugar and that come about through nutrition. Given that, what my conversation has been particularly that I am very concerned about is teenagers and people in their early 20s that
53:08 underage who are told, and I meet them all the time. And they go and they go and some young woman, you know, the 20s are hard. They're not a mental illness. Divorce is hard. It's not a mental illness. Losing someone that you love is hard. It's not a mental illness. A bankruptcy is hard if you have a mental illness. We're on the same page about over prescription of drugs and, you know, aggressive marketing campaigns by big pharmaceutical companies and that people, especially young people, should know dangerous side effects of some of these very powerful drugs. I think we're on the same page about that and you know I think you have expressed your opinions and I you know some of the language you've used it has raised concerns and I think it's fair that I ask those questions and I think you've addressed them very well so. Well I don't I think would also be fair for me to have a little more opportunity to answer them but perhaps at some point you'll. I would love that I would like the conversation to continue so and I don't mean to make you feel disrespected because that's really honestly not my my intention.
54:04 Mary Williamson, I appreciate it. All right. We'll be right back. Pooper gets a raise. Good job, Anderson. You made a look. They hung in there. He could have done better. He could have done better, I'm telling you. If he wanted to really make the Farmer guys look good, he could have done better. If I was in the meeting afterwards, I would have chewed him out. Anyway, nice knowing you Mary Ann. It's too bad. Well, she's... No, it's the end. I still think she's a funny candidate to have. I hope she gets in the next debate. Well, we need... well, no, I can guarantee you she will be in the next debate because from a television show perspective, you need her. You need the Crystal Lady. It's very important she's there. Otherwise, it will not be entertaining enough. So I'm... Well, I definitely want to get rid of Yang.