Undercount of Color

00:00 In Brazil, American sperm demand has skyrocketed. Sick and tired of stormy Russia, Mueller collusion Trump-Trump-Trump Russia-Russia-Russia And broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin Tejas In The Cluedio. In The Morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry... ...and from Northern Silicon Valley where i'm cleaning the house and finding all sorts of weird stuff. I'm John C. Krak. It's Kragbot & Buzzkill! Oh do tell what have you found? What it's..I love it when you find stuff

00:42 Well, we get this stuff from World War one in your pile. We're redoing the one of the rooms completely No no you're wrong Mimi is redoing one of the rooms completely actually do your wrong she told me she was doing it It's Mimi and Jay. Don't listen to the bullcrap. And Jay is over here doing most of the work I enjoy talking to Mimi She always tells me all kinds of stuff about you Oh yeah, does she? Yes she does For instance...I'll give an example You know, when John does a... to you? She says that's exactly the way he talks to me. And I said but only have to listen to it six hours a week she said that's about all i get too yeah okay

01:34 Just kidding. Now, so I'm going through we have this giant sideboard big British piece of furniture that picked up years and years ago when the when England was sending all their actually pretty cool stuff in giant cargo containers and kind of drain is in the 70's draining the country of all this good stuff. And so you could buy like a sideboard like this is probably, I'd probably dump it for what it's that? What does the side board not everybody knows what a side board giant piece of furniture that's called a cyber because used for like it's on this and using the dining room was on the side and you can put dishes and stuff on it. Um but anyway this thing

02:14 It's probably worth about two grand, but you can buy it for a hundred. And uh... You could buy pub chairs for like nothing there's all this cool stuff. Huh? So the sideboard says is never really used for- Wait a minute so that was your find? The pile is so gigantic that once you start to clean it Oh! There's this whole sideboard No no no I'm just saying it was the sideboard you got off on tangent Sideboards filled with stuff Oh okay I'm sorry I'm confused. So there's a bunch of stuff in there and every time something comes in, some of it will just get stuffed into the sideboard and never looked at again for decades so I found this little box that had started this collection when I was kid or something And has all kinds of cool stuff like the original of all things The California Zephyr brochure from the original train Wow! What a find

03:11 An Oakland Oaks thing that you know, those things you buy at the stadium when you go to a baseball game. Stuff like that. You know if... Crazy cards of baseball cards and anyway I'm gonna bring- I'm gonna scan all this stuff in and send it to put it online and get it out so it's at least in the public domain. Well, I was going to say that if this podcast thing doesn't work out for us, you can always work on Pawn Stars I could become a little pawn shop. Perfect! No, have you ever seen the show Pawn Stars? Of course. I love that show you would be perfect on it Hey look what i found yeah i need to grow a little goatee Yeah you gotta tell the whole story about the sideboard. I gotta take my T-shirts off like this just shows some skin A programming note in more ways than one programming as in technology episode 1019 was blamed for a lot of crashes on iPhone podcast apps

04:06 Yeah, I noticed this. There was people were bitching and moaning on Twitter. A lot of people are bitchin' and moanin', saying, well redo it! Upload it! And this is a Apple podcast app problem...and I don't know if our title had anything to do with it which was Hashtag delete the bag. Maybe it's because I misspelled it initially. Oh, is the hashtag? I don't think so because it's happening to other podcasts as well and it seems very random So there's something that happens and I'm sure it probably is some double-byte encoded thing. Well a hashtag in the delete probably meant... give it a command Apple was going oh hashtag delete time to do it Although you'd think a hashtag would be a comment in any code so It should be ignored but I don't know

04:55 But I did just want to say that was, you know. I did not recompress redo do anything different and i just left it as is because once you start to mess with the RSS feed You have no idea what happens then besides doubling our bandwidth bill automatically. Yeah, thats so good yeah we I you know every once in a while stuck because we do something like I bet you that the only anomaly in that is the hashtag. That hashtag, what it probably did was meant to... It was used as comment and so the whole thing was commented out. I hadn't thought about that! That's possible but oh gee, that is very possible actually strange and dumb

05:38 Impossible, but these other shows that had this problem. They didn't have any hashtags in their title So I know but we've had other problems for other things like using a semicolon right or the various Grammatical things will cause this issue because it thinks so hypersensitive We have to remember to only stay with you know Simple stuff simple alphanumeric no character 1970 stuff let's not get all fancy on apples ass now that would be bad And I hate to say it, but anybody who listened to this show in November and last Sunday's show which is the obvious catalyst for Tesla's stock falling apart. It went to the 250s

06:20 You recall that we discussed this. Yeah, it could be good. Well and somebody came out with an assertion that they're going to be bankrupt in four months. That didn't help. And it was a hedge fund guy. Zero Hedge. He's one of these guys... No! It was a real guy, a Real Hedge Fund Guy. Oh but it was reported on Zero Hedge? Was it? Yeah, well okay. Well this guy says hey you know I see the way I see it but these guys are doing that too try to slam stock so then you know they can probably... The guy was in a short position I'm sure when he said that. Well at the same time You know, I talked about my experience. With with the Tesla and the auto steer or autopilot. You're the one who's sunk it Yes, I'm telling you I am directly responsible And of course we had another crash an Apple employee whose Tesla X crashed into the barrier which if you recall is Exactly what? I said was dangerous that twice on my trip to college Brian Carl station It veered off to the left because it was trying to follow some line that was unclear to it you remember

07:20 You remember I said this is a local store. I don't have a car. I have a clip. I have a clip ABC 7 News captured exclusive video today of investigators from the CHP's multidisciplinary accident investigation team and National Transportation Safety Board at a San Mateo tow yard inspecting the wreckage of the Tesla Model X involved in that fatal crash on southbound 101 Friday, I also spoke in Texas with Walter Wongs brother will today he confirmed Walt was on the way to work at Apple when he died He also makes a startling claim that before the crash, Walter complained seven to ten times the car would swivel toward that same exact barrier during autopilot. So he reported this... This is what I reported as well, the swerving to the left or you know, a barrier that was going to wreck the car and my life and he reported it! Walter took it into dealership addressing the issue but they couldn't duplicate it there The family's telling me that they provided an invoice to investigators

08:15 The victim took the car in because it kept veering to that exact same barrier. How important is that information? That information has been received by the CHB, they've been acting on it for some time now In a blog post Tesla says our data shows the Tesla owners have driven the same stretch of highway with autopilot engaged roughly 85 000 times This was interesting to me so tesla is actively tracking and storing your trip information Otherwise, how could they come up with this data? Couple of things. This is a local story so we had a lot of coverage Let me finish it and I want to hear your thoughts Autopilot was first rolled out in 2015 There were over 200 successful autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road

08:57 CHP confirming tonight another crash did happen at that spot 11 days earlier. Tesla also posted these photos that raise another important question the show was called a crash attenuator or safety barrier in the proper condition and the way it was the day before Walter Wong's crashed collapsed after a different accident Will Wong texted me that ultimately should have saved my brother's life We've seen videos of similar crash with cushion and the driver walked out of it unharmed his friends are raising money for Walter's wife and kids to help handle the expenses of The funeral and life after his death. So anyway, I take away from that that yes, the Tesla veers off Yes you can go ahead and blame it on the California roads And yeah, they're tracking everybody

09:47 Well, I don't blame her for the last thing. That particular...I've been on that road and know where that is and what they're talking about it and I know what the local complaints were when guys came out and discussed it. That road even if you have two eyes and your aware of whats going on its extremely tough to navigate because there are old lines painted on the freeway that go right into the barrier. So there you go! Thats exactly what happened It's exactly what happened. The fact that they said there was 80, I don't know how many supposedly 200 or 300 a day go by there... That doesn't mean they're in that lane! Well that's a good point too but they still have all these- They never say what lane they were in and it could've been any of those lanes and if you're in that fast lane on that part of the road then that's when you get into trouble

10:34 And I don't know, maybe 11 days ago something else happened very similar. It's just a mess! The California road... Would anybody be on autopilot on the 101 in that area? has signed a death warrant. Well, it's like you had your hands on the wheel and you're supposed to have your hands on the wheel so if things start turning into the barrier wouldn't you react to that? Seems to me maybe they're talking about all those people who got through it safely is because they had their hands on the wheel They knew that part of the freeway was screwy and you had to be very aware And then pull it through by manually nobody knows about

11:13 Does the do they record every time you nudge the wheel? I bet they do. I bet they have all that I bet They do maybe but they're not saying anything, but if you would go through there You'd be holding the wheel you've been letting on autopilot when it Ver veered you pull it back and you'll be good and you go right through it Right, but this guy was probably sleeping Hmm, but you are you said you were okay with them tracking every car yeah, I'm not I am, I'm fine with it because they need to have all this auto stuff going on. They need to get as much data as they can so they should be tracking the car. Yeah alright well we should stop doing it... I don't think its doing a spy on people that's the long term problem and I agree but and I do not like being tracked at all. I dont carry a phone and then my don't have GPS stuff in my...well I do have and well I really dont have GPS stuff that signals back that I know of in my car

12:10 But I don't have a problem with Tesla tracking all these and most of these people are probably like to be tracked. I don't know well regardless This is this is not we've gone too fast with this. I've said it as I said from day one This is dumb you're gonna let a bunch of algo no no no No, no. You never said it from day one you were a huge fan of this guy Okay I'm gonna get the clip let's stop arguing about it or get the clip where I say exactly the problems I felt with It I was a fan of it but I noted a whole bunch of problems A whole bunch of problems okay look I'm not backpedaling or anything

12:50 This trust of algorithms here. I got a report from From Arizona where the autonomous car killed the homeless lady, and I'm pretty sure that you know They're just tweaking algos and testing stuff which is what the whole purpose is yeah now You heard about the corruption that governor's involved. Oh wait. What do I want to hear first? We'll play the clip In the fall, I drove in one of these Uber vehicles right in the same area where this fatal accident occurred. It was a little bit different than the Waymo car it was jerkier if I can say that? It just tended to be much more conservative and sort of pump the brakes really hard every time anything threatened to come into its lane

13:26 I'll share with you that it was sort of surprising to me because our driver, our operator rather while he was taking us around in this Uber car he mentioned how many people jaywalk on Mill Avenue so down near Arizona State University there's lots of bars and restaurants and sometimes people carelessly walk into the street. And then where this accident occurred there is a large park and people cross Mill Avenue to get to different parts of the park The driver said that the cars behave very well here, that the sensors they have on the car will sense a pedestrian who's going to jaywalk even in the dark and their cars would slam on the brakes. And so they're saying sometimes they're driving at night on Mill Avenue here and there are car slams on the brakes and think it's having a problem then a pedestrian or bicyclist will come out of the bushes or out of the desert area there in front of them and they mentioned how many times they've been quote saved

14:16 by the autonomous features but that appears to be what failed last night. I think they were working on the algos changing stuff, oh this is not a smooth ride. It's too jerky when these idiot homeless people come out of the bushes and we gotta disengage that part. I've had mixed feelings about the whole technology from the beginning at the very beginning when Google was doing their little car tricks and they had this superstar guy who think quit went to work for somebody else like a German guy was really behind the whole thing he was giving her lecture from him at some sort of a gathering that took place at Autodesk. And he had all these, yeah, lot of interesting things to say including and I'm looking back on it, I realized that some of his little sidebars were probably the reason any of this is going on besides saving lives

15:12 And I was all in on this and I thought that the early days of this you had Ford, who was totally against by the way all these big car companies. Totally against this idea because they thought it ruined the driving experience which is the most important thing to where they saw things even though they obviously have no millennials in their family And who don't seem to care about the driving experience because the car culture is dead. Yes, it is! Who cares about the freedom of an automobile powered by petrol? Nobody cares. No one cares. They just as soon have Uber and they're good to go

15:48 And so Ford was against this and then of course they're all in on it now because it's gotten, it's gotten so much momentum. But during this period there was a I was at some thing another gathering with Ford or did and at the event there that Ford had hired this guy from University California professor who who poo-pooed the whole driverless car thing. He says, this is decades away! Decades away! And I still have his card somewhere, I should call him but he thought the whole thing was going way too fast and it was way ahead of us and this is early and it was never gonna happen to what everyone thought and then they said well everybody looks at me like oh I'm like a big shot because

16:28 you know, following it. Well it seems like the guy didn't know what he's talking about and I was all in and then I realized that I had forgotten the old 99-1 rule or 95-5 whatever you want to call it which is a technology move to a spot where its headed gets there pretty quickly Points toward the end mean this is that last. This is a 95 5 bandwidth rule, or what are you talking about? I know it's just like where everything gets there within the hardest part Is that last five percent for that last one percent the thing they're really you know There's there's a little it's like with optical character recognition It's never really quite gotten it just can't get past recognition or facial recognition Or any of the recognitions The technologies nothing is really that good

17:16 No, because they can't get past that little couple percent at the end. It's the hump and so I just kind of forgot that was kind of in play and So I don't know where it was but I flipped on the whole thing before being this you know thinking a guy from Cal was a idiot This is gonna happen faster than anyone could imagine And had all these implications for society and it was going to be very interesting and we're talking about No, I'm not convinced especially with some of the stuff going on with these games that are being played at the high end. Yeah tell me about this what's going on? Well there is a lot of these competitions out there that aren't getting any publicity JC follows all this stuff Buzzkill Jr. Where they...there's competitions about tricking

18:02 AI systems. Oh yeah, so you have them go in circles and do stuff like that? Yeah or no there's a turns out there's a couple of some of this has been documented they're like if for example if on a stop sign if you put us a black square sticker over the T and another little round thing someplace else A lot of the systems, and since they're all using the same software most of the systems will see that stop sign apparently as speed limit 45. Vroom vroom baby! It makes no sense That is true I noticed on Tesla when you drive past a speed limit sign it immediately flashes...it reads it, it reads the speed limit sign Yeah There's your optical character recognition problem The last 5%

18:51 So you end up with these, and it's worse than anyone can imagine if you start looking into the research. They can't make this stuff work and it is like, in my thinking now, I always have to consider this, and I thought about this earlier about the vandalism that'll take place when truckers are kicked out of their jobs and these auto trucks, these trucks that drive themselves go into play because vandals are going to flatten a tire or put up a weird sign with a face on it that confuses the truck. It makes it roll over. I mean there's too much

19:31 Too many of these little variables and there's too many vandals, people who like to make trouble. And the research is out there and all you have to do is follow the research and find ways to screw up these cars I don't think that's going away anytime soon. Well moody downgraded Tesla credit rating that will hurt yeah these buys are built on debt a lot of government debt a lot of government gifts Yeah, no it's a problem for them and I think that they jumped way too far ahead with this dry you know this autopilot and You know what? No one even talked about it. It just showed up! Well the Emperor has no clothes is what I'm thinking well And if someone will take a picture after pulling that rug off of Elon Musk's head

20:19 Then it will really be the emperor has no clothes. Someone pointed that out to me, I'd never really noticed he's wearing a toupee." I never noticed that either but now that i'm visualizing you might be right! Yeah and and I checked with the keeper, you know chicks know this stuff she said yeah the bad one she said like why didn't ever tell me this before? I didn't know that Yeah, apparently. They also by the way the chicks as you put it yeah I would never use such a term but this as you put it they never tell us this stuff because they actually think that's so obvious that we should notice! Yeah chicks of the world make sure you tell your dudes what's going on. Yeah, they're dumb. We're dumb we gotta know this stuff. Tell your dumb dude hey the guy is wearing a wig. Hours of content. That would be great for well you can just photoshop him bald like he did

21:09 I bet he looks completely not like a superhero. I think it was all the head on his entire image Either a dome is either got a dome or he's got like this scraggly looking mess It's like you know, we've got two pattern ball. This that's really bad with it tuft in the front and then bald on the top oh man that kind of look someone's posting a link apparently there's uh Let me see what this is. Oh, celebhairtransplants.com Now there's a website I can get into! Oh yeah... oh of course If you look for this picture-I've seen this picture now and now I think about it It's Musk back in the PayPal days He's standing next to a monitor which looks like it was probably hooked up to one of those early IBM machines And he's already practically bald right there

22:01 Okay, so yeah that's a rug Nice. All right, well this is the yeah what are you gonna do? I don't know nothing but i don't know what happens if the company does go under and they you know they got to take it probably... The guy's just no slouch at re-you know doing refinancing and jiggering and raising money. I mean let's get the company started by selling that little sports car years before it was built so he can probably get through it but if he doesn't or he just says hell with it which is possible because might have more consistent income from space X. What happens to all these people who own these Teslas? They need them serviced, well you know it's going to service one of these things as things are like a like an electric bomb when you told me about the electric cars in Israel and one of our nights there sent us say and I remember he had blogged this before wrote a whole put it in the show now so the whole because he got

23:01 the car and was it it was connected to a better place, was the name of it. And that's where you got your battery changed and they went out of business! Yeah oops yeah so yeah I got that note too. Yeah they went out of business and if you start to think about it how Having entire undercarriages as a way of refilling, as opposed to a gas station where it's a tank. There is a bunch of liquid in this tank and that big tanker comes by and fills it up once in awhile... Well there's another issue! ...is not… It's easier to distribute than it is to distribute giant undercarriages I was talking to Taxi Eric the other day you know our guy in Amsterdam who almost killed you? Yeah he almost killed himself probably but

23:49 So he says there's a big protest going on, which will take to the streets eventually amongst the Amsterdam taxi drivers. As of 2020 only battery car taxis will be allowed in Amsterdam. No... just only electric And so Uber is a big favorite of these cabs. I'm not quite sure why, other than you're pretty much guaranteed a good parking spot in Amsterdam if you have an electric vehicle and obviously the US subsidies help it. Comparably speaking, I guess it's something that would make sense for a cab. Mercedes may cost the same or little bit more. So they're thinking all right well if I can charge cheaply etc.,

24:34 But they're protesting because a lot of guys don't want to get a battery car, especially not the Tesla because they say we're basically being radiated all day by the battery and then we are going to be impotent. There's all kinds of stories like that Oh I haven't heard that one Yeah! Well you are sitting right over the battery God knows what is going on You sure you aren't sitting on a field? Yeah god knows what is going on there They certainly do not, they are worried about it So, the backlash will be interesting. And you know what happens if there's a power outage? There are no cabs in Amsterdam! Done. Walk slave. They can just... You know done. Gas cars to the rescue! Meanwhile we have actual issues going on that the news is not covering Not that the news is covering this very much other than fiery crash fiery crash not to this depth

25:27 But we've had some interesting cyber attacks. The city of Atlanta is also dealing with a major cyber attack hackers froze computer systems and demanded payment, and in a tweet the city said the attack caused outages on various customer facing applications including some that customers may use to pay bills or access court related information Apparently WannaCry hit them I don't know why people call these hackers. Because they're stupid There's no active hacking going on it's just this thing a piece of code floating around the next thing you know somebody stupidly clicks on something Boeing got hit by one, I gotta cry. Boeing was hit with a cyber attack the planemaker said on Wednesday which did not affect its jetliner production A Boein spokeswoman said some reports in the attack quote are overstated and inaccurate

26:18 The spokeswoman went on to say, quote, remediations were applied and this is not a production and delivery issue. This followed a Seattle Times report that certain manufacturing equipment used to build its 787 Dreamliner and newest 777 wide body jets could be crippled. Yeah I read because remediations by the way means they paid Yep so you can expect Bitcoin to go up now isn't that what always happens when we get these things then bitcoin seems to go up. I think bitcoin went up Already too much. It was 400 bucks when we first made this Hey, but listen to this because the Seattle Times article was very explicit and then what they're now claiming is not true We've done a final assessment said Linda Mills head of communications for Boeing commercial airplanes The vulnerability was limited to a few machines. We deployed software patches There was no interruption to the 777 jet program or any about other programs But earlier in the day we have reports that

27:15 Mike VanderWaal, chief engineer so not the communications department he sent out an alarming alert about the virus calling for quote all hands on deck! All hands on deck. It is metastasizing rapidly out of North Charleston I've just heard triple seven spar assembly tools may have gone down so... Wow How can it be so hard To I mean These these companies just not have any antiviral software that use how about what's that thing? I always see here on the local news PC maddock calm you get those ads Yeah, with it like the family like this. The other guy the guy and his wife and son We were the best anything is they work. I remember PC Maddock. I Remember their ads

28:11 But yeah, the ads work if you remember them. That's true There's an ad I was thinking of the other day because they keep seeing it over and over again trying to think what it was like and barely remember it and I Kept thinking what was this ad for? You can't remember what the ad was really bad no matter how catchy it is but Now I'm sure there's another wave If it's if its company if it's all of Atlanta You got to believe that's a mess. If it I mean just look at what's going on the airport with their computers is a mess and And then now Boeing there's got to be more well, let me see what happened to Bitcoin you know Boeing Boeing is such as savvy company How can their security guys did? You know their security guys be so lax to let this even be a possibility That's a very good question. I don't know

29:07 I would immediately fire the IT department, everybody. Or at least everybody who... Somebody's got to do a handover. Somebody has to do something! You can't just let this happen in a company like that? Holy mackerel. I've got a lot of tweets from people about peril for the show peril yes peril peril ahead rough times stormy waters as Microsoft has upgraded its terms of service which oh yeah oh Yes, yes. Yes. Yes for all actually I didn't have this on my list the things to talk about one dimension Yeah, I wanted to mention it's worth mentioning although I'm surprised that this wasn't already in their terms of service and what we're referring to is Microsoft

29:50 has updated their code of conduct section of their terms-of-service. Here it is in the code of conduct section, we've clarified the use of offensive language and fraudulent activity as prohibited. Yeah first thing I thought was Adam Curry! Hey chicks! We've also clarified that violation of the Code of Conduct through Xbox services may result in suspensions or bans this may be more focused on what's going on an Xbox and game. Well, you know Xbox a lot of the games have this subsystems that allow you to talk to each other right? Right well Skype is there Skype isn't your team I just want to point out Skype is owned by Microsoft we use Skype to communicate as Skype is thrown into the pot but yeah

30:36 I don't know that they're monitoring the usage on Skype. Yeah, because if they were they wouldn't ask me this stupid question every time i hang up How would you rate the quality of this call? They don't do it every time No, I get it often. That's what they should be doing, monitoring the quality of calls instead of asking you But they know, they're not monitoring anything. I mean they can't do it is impossible right? There's like a million Skype calls underway as we speak so but i understand what you're talking about if somebody targeted the show somebody at Microsoft doesn't like to show yeah that's highly unlikely now these guys are now that I'm a fanboy why would they do that to me

31:24 They wouldn't it be crazy because you all of a sudden have become you're the guy they were after they want guys who? Who flipped, you know from Mac to Windows that's very rare right do they send me free stuff nowadays It's not so rare but in the olden days. Yeah, it was always the other way around Yes, that's why Apple had test drives and let you borrow equipment Good times good times could well did you see any of the Any of their presentation to the educational sector? No, I read about it. Yeah so it seemed real heavy on the iPad huh no computers Well this was a column of mine that's when I said they're gonna give up on the Macintosh which was... Right! So I'm confirming what you said yeah they're gonna give up on and I think this is spin it off into another company I think didn't make out on the deal

32:20 I mean HP spun off numerous companies. Yeah, could you imagine if they spun off the Mac just MacBook Pro division doesn't have to be desktop just MacBook Pros? I think it would be very successful if they really focused on it on pro which a lot of pros focus that right now They're focusing on everything but the Mac But I think should move the Mac over not just the MacBook Pro but the whole division yeah whole OS All right, and they would have did have the resources. They wouldn't have these distractions Oh can we and I will do this? We want to turn everything into a phone all that sort of thing be out Yes Alright So I've been very disappointed in all the news channels the ones that I monitor as a part of my beat

33:09 It you can play the game. You turn on the TV and within 30 seconds, it's Russia collusion Trump's army Mueller It's one of those and you win you take a drink this they've like nothing else in the world is going on There's nothing happening Although they've been doing a little bit of Face bag analytical as I call it now They've been doing that face Alenica know face bag analytical works And I would like to remind everybody I tweeted this actually. In 2010 Mark Zuckerberg was person of the year on Time magazine, in Time Magazine it was on the cover and in the article itself I will quote its in the show notes The door opened and a distinguished looking gray-haired man burst in It's the only way to describe his entrance trailed by a couple of deputies He was both the oldest person in room by 20 years And the only one wearing a suit

34:04 He was in the building, he explained with a delighted air of a man about to secure ironclad bragging rights forever. And he just had to stop in and introduce himself to Zuckerberg Robert Mueller director of the FBI pleased to meet you any collusion? Yeah! He just happened to be in the building yeah this Mueller is unsavory is an unsavory character I tell ya and this Christopher Wiley Wiley Coyote He somehow, he testified in front of the members of British Parliament which was very fun to watch. He put on a suit and they're taking him real serious because you know Cambridge Analytica is obviously responsible for Brexit going the wrong way so they need to know everything about it. Zuck was invited to come testify and he politely declined which... Apparently that's been switched around

35:05 For the UK Parliament. Oh, no No, I don't think he's gonna do here But they say he's going to testify here if he goes in front of the US Senate it's gonna be great It's gonna be great for the show yeah That's what I'm saying is you know this guy is not presentable He's arrogant. He's autistic and someone one of them. He's on the spectrum. That's what I should say yep and he Isn't necessarily likable Well, let's stick with Wiley for a moment because this guy has been irritating me. Where is he coming from? What is his true agenda that we're learning a lot more about him for instance that he actually pitched Corey Lewandowski to work with his new company for Trump's campaign and it turns out he took the data himself to start his new company

35:58 That's not mentioned in any of the testimony, of course But there's enough evidence that you can find in the show notes about that but his where he came from and his background Became very clear in the testimony. Why have you decided to speak out against it and give evidence against people who used to be your colleagues? because You know As a citizen, one is expected and has the duty to report unlawful activity. In terms of if you're asking about sort of my journey to this moment... Yes! What is your journey to this moment? A lot of people have asked me why it's taking so long

36:38 What they don't see is that actually, I've been working on this with The Guardian and then later the New York Times and Channel 4 for a year. So what you're seeing is sort of the apex or the climax of that. But this is a year-long coming out process. But before going public, I went and started working with the ICO and UK authorities to start their investigation also After I left Cambridge Analytica, very shortly after that, I got threatened with legal action and had a very aggressive team of lawyers coming after me. So I signed an undertaking of confidentiality which would mean that if I did break that, you know, I could be sued into oblivion by Robert Mercer

37:33 So, frankly that's intimidating. But more broadly it was only until 2016 when I was working at CIA and setting it up you don't you don't appreciate the future impact of what your work is until it starts to happen. And so 2016 was where I started looking at what this company was actually doing in the United States and coming to appreciate that the projects that I was working on may have had a much wider impact than I initially anticipated it would. And after Donald Trump got inaugurated, very shortly after that's when they started working with Carol at The Guardian on reporting some of the things that the company is doing so for this spring I was one of her key sources anonymously until we could figure out a legal position that would then allow me to come forward

38:34 Any collusion? Okay, now we understand. This is another Guardian New York Times job Yeah And they're taking care of him They're taking care of him We'll make sure you don't get sued son and put our lawyers on it's gonna be fine But they've known about this for a year Didn't tell us No But lots of fallout These newspapers are getting to be really... I mean are they trying I mean, are they... do they think they're doing us a favor? They're all trying to be Woodward and Bernstein. That's what every journo is doing Well that goes back to Chelsea Manning. I got some Chelsea Manning clips when she was on Democracy Now!

39:24 a whole series of clips. I will play them later, continue with this first. Well there's not much more to say about Christopher Wiley and if you know this is the kid with the pink hair and the nose piercing which is by the way only thing I forbid my daughter to do Said you may not have a nose piercing or actually, or tongue piercing. Or lip piercing. That's three things. I like the piercing that looks like a cow thing. Yeah yeah! That's what i said to Christina. If you have that then im gonna hook up a dog leash to it Pull you around. I'm gonna pull you around like a cow. She's gonna get it for sure No, no Well when I saw her couple of weeks ago she had an eyebrow piercing and I and have a billfold that has a magnet in them Like put it right on the head Things hanging off of our head That's how we do it in the curry clan now other fallout from the face bag very interesting to watch Their stock is now rocketing today

40:32 Just off the chart, I think. I think you mentioned on the last show where I asked my daughter if she's gonna kill her Facebook account? Remind us. Okay, I'll do it again doesn't matter so we're at dinner and I said I'm asking everybody about Facebook You know because they're big Facebook mavens And I said you're gonna kill cuz of this horrible situation are gonna kill your accounts She said no what's the point Huh. No one's kidding that she's a millennial of the law doesn't care, doesn't care, doesn't care. It's like so what? Yeah. And I did have her go through her due to download

41:13 which everyone's recommending even on the television now, that you did on the show live. I said, I thought you listened to this show? Adam went through this whole thing live which i thought was still one of their better features and so she did it and I'm looking at it and she's looking at a lot of stuff that she deleted was gone. Oh, It was gone! She was surprised about how much stuff she knew should have been in there. She was bummed like ah they didn't save it. Well actually she may have been because I think she wanted to recover something she had deleted So I don't know. Right, there's some other things that are changing and they keep trying to release news and it's working although there is a lot of prop...I see a lot of propping up going on And the sentiment now is oh they're gonna be okay but a lot of things are changing you can go in and look at settings activity log more click more eventually get your location

42:12 Locations and this thing now I have location turned off on my phone, but it knew damn well that I was in College Station. Well again, and I know how I know how its proximity It's your you know they have your cell phone ID And they get proximity to either a person or something like that. And then, you know, they're reporting I was there of course it was not me it was my phone and they know that for sure but somehow their tracking it and its now through the iPhone location thing.

42:49 Oh, this whole tracking thing is out of control. Yeah so do you think people are going to realize that? I mean people-people not millennials they aren't people...I mean regular people People what are they robots we are taking over How about regular people will anyone care Tina's is really on the verge she's ready I mean she needs an account for work but she's ready to delete and I have to say I'm pretty ready I mean this stuff on the no agenda groups or no good usually or there's long threads of blah. So I'm ready to do what? To delete my account, just get off the whole platform together. Here's the money maker for anybody out there. Put me on the board a product that you can sell that is called Blockr it's like an ad blocker only blocks your tracking view in other words it really screws up the GPS tracking and it just shows you at home all the time something like that there's no way that you can't do this

43:51 And that would solve the problem for you and Tina. I don't care one way or the other because they rarely carry the phone, but... You just don't want me to get off the bag, do ya? Oh, you're not getting off the bag whether I want you too or not! Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, really? Well I've deleted all of them. But some product like that is a money maker. Isn't it just an ad blocker? What's the difference? It would be like an ad blocker but it would blocking location stuff and things that are working subsystems on these phones that just have to be

44:31 And I don't think you can stop them, but I think you can mess with them that makes it so there's data is useless We'll see. I mean, definitely there's chinks in the armor they delayed their own... Oh and I love this! I guess they were coming out with a home speaker with a talking tube similar to the Echo HomePod. Yeah they delayed that amidst as Bloomberg reports the data crisis but they've also and this is I think this may hurt them. They'll bring it up before Christmas. Oh we have got too This may hurt them longer term. They claim, Facebook according to Reuters claim it is ending partnerships with several large data brokers and this is really the beauty of what they have is connecting it to other data. They're getting carried away Purchase history etc and these two companies Too much Yeah But you know which two companies they list as data brokers?

45:31 Equifax? Experian. Yeah, Experian! That's the FICO score company. Yeah so... Perfect. So uh... Any collusion?! This is not good. This is bad No it's very bad Well like somebody said I mean if people are going to continue to post drunken pictures of themselves at parties on Facebook and other picture hosting sites. He's just asking for trouble. And there is another issue that is cropping up, speaking of the talking tube Adobe who as we know are one of the biggest trackers in the universe We did many shows on that I think back in the day This is why everyone started banning Flash not because the whole technology for videos is crap but flash is tracking so much

46:24 And it has so many permissions you can't look inside and there was a real problem. Adobe found 28% of all website traffic is now showing strong quote non-human signals And what they're saying is because of the Internet of Things and talking tubes and all these different devices, you've got a lot of traffic that is accessing sites for weather. All kinds of different pieces of data. Microservices baby! Yeah I'm just going to say it again... You cannot monetize the network people It's just not gonna work When will we figure it out? Unless people pay That's it. They are not going to pay anyway

47:06 Yes, I don't have much more on. Oh yeah, I do have Tim Cook where we went on Recode and somewhere in April they're going to air the whole thing and they were harping about Was it you know about privacy and data? And he was pretty adamant. We're looking at every app in detail What is it doing, Is it doing what its saying its doing, Is that meeting the privacy policy that they are stating right and so we are always looking at that Right Should we raise the bar even more were always looking at improving and raising the bar

47:44 But we carefully review each app and police now. And we don't subscribe to the view that you have to let everybody in that wants to, or if you don't, you don't believe in free speech. We don't believe that because we're like the guy on the corner store What you sell in that store says something about you. And if you don't want to sell that other thing, you don't sell it. It doesn't mean that you can't use an iPhone to go to your browser and go to some porno site if you want to do that. But I'm not making fun of it, but I'm just saying that it's not what we want to put in our store. We want kids to go the store because there are a lot of learning education apps in the store and so we've always done that. We've worked for the music industry to code things explicit and so a parent could say I don't want my child listen to explicit content. We've made sure all the movies are coded in such a way where

48:51 You can say I love my child looking at G movies or whatever or we have a parental control around apps you can say, I don't want them on these certain apps and And so this is something. We've always felt really Mark Zuckerberg. What would you do? What would I do? I wouldn't be in the situation No Okay, well careful careful your crisis will come mr.. Cook it will come I was looking at Mark Morrell, see if he's married. Meanwhile, I think everyone was surprised astonished blown away we could have predicted this a little irked that didn't bring it up massive ratings for the return of the Roseanne Barr show

49:42 On ABC. Yeah, I was kind of surprised i watched it on and off because I still like prefer a good drama like NCIS that's well structured just I think is a better thing to watch in terms of the Roseanne Barr show but I've watched both Unfortunately, they're up against each other which is chicken shit I think by ABC and but i guess they gotta do something to get you some of this other show that they're competing against. But there's a third show...I forgot which one..which is also good show at the same time and so despite all of that I mean but these ratings they were almost Stormy Daniels ratings! That was big no one expected this

50:28 I think we could have expected it. Yeah, they had good promotion. No no no this is not it! This has nothing to do with it What the promotion? Well the promotion is important but the second show they aired back-to-back The second episode got higher ratings than the first one that is very uncommon There's always a drop off and I attribute it to...the content Maybe hmm And also, well how about this? I think there's also another element that may account for it which is that oh! I forgot that was on tonight.

51:12 and then you catch the second half hour. Okay, that's... we don't typically talk like that way in television? I'm surprised you're in this meeting It is possible! I am surprised to be let into a meeting This is not possible it is possible and I think it could have happened because there was such a long lead-in took forever for them finally put on the air cuz I don't know why They could have done this months ago. And I think a lot of people were caught off guard because they have normal viewing patterns and then they find out this is on and they flip over to it, you can get us... I think there's a possibility. They stuck with it at very young audience another gob smacking surprise Well that is unusual Very young audience but I think the content had a lot to do well no next week but I think the content had a lot to do with that I think that people are sick and tired

52:02 of, you know, divisive television. Look I was watching Roseanne Barr because I couldn't watch the damn news channels anymore! It's annoying it's like MH17 Yeah, Mueller's investigation is not yet in. Yeah the plane has not been found it's the same format. Yeah and... Mueller is just spending money having fun you know what would you do? Anyway I liked The Roseanne Barr Show I thought it was a good show I liked it and I like that people losing their crap over on Facebag Well, I liked the losing the crap part. Yeah! I watched...I didn't think the show it was pretty much that old Roseanne Barr show. Yeah! Although only it was you know Rosanne looks 10 years younger. Of all of them she's the only one that looked younger. She looks younger and they had their whole crew because most of them really don't work a lot A couple of them do but they don't work out because they made so much money on residuals from this show They don't really have to work

53:04 And so they could get them all back together. That's an irony of a show like that, getting the whole everyone back to you do could do the same thing with Seinfeld. You can get them all back together again except for maybe I guess what Julia Dreyfus girl she could she's working but You could get them all back to, and she could do that in the other show. It's pretty funny but I don't know it seems to me to be...I didn't care for it. I thought it was just middle of the road comedy. So you don't think that there is an element of people in the United States who feel left out by Hollywood?

53:43 and media in general, and all of a sudden here's actual arguments, actual situations that they witness as well. IE the Trump effect. I think that assertion is okay. I think you're right. They had this show with Tim Allen, they had a Tim Allen show that was doing very well in the ratings. He's a sad victim. Yeah, sad victim and I think this is the blowback. They had to do something because... He'll reemerge. Yeah, so they brought this back and you know Tim Allen got screwed in the deal. He was doing his ratings were fine Yeah And he was doing a Trump pro-trump thing it wasn't doing it overtly and this is pretty mild too It's not like I control the Apparently from what? I understand the entire writing staff as a bunch of hillbots on The Roseanne show yes fabulous

54:39 And so the meetings have got to be very funny because Roseanne is a known Trump-er. Yeah, Trump-er and so she was getting to beefs with these guys constantly but maybe turn them around Here's what I don't understand you know we're just like Roseanne We're Trumper's You know that John that's a fact right? Come on everyone says it. We all heard of it on the reddit You know that then how come were down What are we doing wrong? We're doing something wrong, son. All right so I've got...I can go to dead embryos Yeah let's do some embryos and then we'll thank some people Let's get the embryos out of the way Because you know there is nothing like some dead embryos We have a sad and shocking follow up tonight to our reporting earlier this month about a failure at a fertility clinic in Cleveland that resulted in the loss of thousands of frozen eggs and embryos

55:38 Many families being notified just today that the failure was far worse than the hospital initially reported. Involving as many as 4,000 eggs and embryos The clinic acknowledging none of them are viable crushing the hopes of so many would-be parents Senior national correspondent Kate Snow has our NBC News investigation Wendy Penniman is one of nearly a thousand people who got the overnight letter from University Hospitals today Oh my God. We were there as she read about what happened to the three embryos she and her husband had stored This is, it's mind-blowing to me honestly I'm sick I'm sick. For several weeks, the hospital said it knew the storage tank had a problem with a part that automatically refilled the liquid nitrogen to keep eggs and embryos frozen on top of that The remote alarm system that should have alerted an employee two changes like temperature swings was off Would you agree? The letter you've written describes failure error error after error there were many errors or mistakes that seem to appear

56:41 We are in the midst of our investigation. Hmm, yeah everyone's all bent out of shape but I can't imagine how much money they're gonna lose because of this but hmm... I was reading in The Wall Street Journal the other day that in Brazil American sperm demand has skyrocketed going for up to five grand a pop baby! Wow. Yeah, because they want that while they will look at you well I think you're probably we're both good they want blue eyes blonde handsome dapper successful oops scrap that one oops Scrap the podcasters podcasters and live without shit. I recorded that show haven't looked at it yet The podcast show the podcast guy a new show

57:33 Oh, I forgot to run already. Yeah last night I get a copy and we both missed it that's great marketing thanks for the reminder there you go guys um there is a solution there's a solution for everything and uh there's something going on in the UK Gitmo Nation East with H&M That is just fantastic. It solves two problems at once they apparently have billions of pounds worth in overstocked clothes that they can't get rid of yeah, that's a problem when you're in retail so they I guess they They did guess the they estimated this demand incorrectly or they had the wrong line Or so what do you think? They'd do with this well

58:23 There's three or four things you can do that the smart thing to do is discount it to the cost of manufacturing and sell it to your customers. But, of course, they argument against that as well, you know, it's going to cannibalize our other sales. The other one is you can give it to the poor, the homeless. There's a thought. And then there's a third one is just grinded up. Give it the cows to eat. Close, close! I personally also thought wouldn't it be great and would be a fabulous write-off To give it to homeless people. No, not H&M Swedish fashion clothes shop H&M is struggling with a multi-billion euro pile of unsold clothes There are so many the store is helping the Swedish power plant replace coal for good by burning H&Ms unsold clothing They're burning it. Yeah there you go Don't give it to the homeless just burn it why not? Why not publicity for the company good work

59:25 Alright. And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John, see where the C stands for census which we'll be talking about later. Dvorak! Good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry! In the morning to all ships in sea, boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to The Troll Room noagendastream.com is where you can hang out with your fellow shorties under the bridge and make fun of us I read it all I know what's going on...In the morning also to Horsehead Businessman great piece of art this was we were talking about slingshots

1:00:04 the iconic slingshot in the back pocket and this was a picture of a Slingshot in the back pocket with the person's hands behind their back in handcuffs because these will be outlawed. Of course, the hand the Sling shots and I promptly received from one of our producers a YouTube slingshot channel There's a lot going on in slingshot technology. I was unaware of Did you see that one, the guy who makes all these weird slinky shots and do all kinds of crazy things? Would that be the exact thing I just... The German guy or the Dutch accent. Yes! The thing I just mentioned, the YouTube channel Yeah, that would be it. That's what I said did you see that? Well there was a bunch of channels Oh no, I saw the one our producer sent me which you saw too

1:00:49 Yeah. I was hoping you'd do the voice No, he doesn't have a voice He has this eerie laugh But he's not Dutch! He is from Denmark or something...I can't do it Danish voice I can do it Dutch but I can't do it in Danish That's good Anyway thank you to Horsehead Businessman and all of our artists who diligently are uploading artwork to noagendaartgenerator.com We appreciate the resource we appreciate the input and value for value All right, let's thank a few people. Let's start off with Kaya rhymes with papaya with $1,020 and 33 cents. Whoa! Which I thought was a good way to start the day That's nice for Thursday My donation amount of 10 20 33 has numeral logical significance in addition to it containing the show number

1:01:42 Which makes her the show number person for the day. Yep, which is we haven't had for a while Yes Oh that's right and become the actual What does what is our member of the club? yes, the Long ago was you forgot God I forgot The number 1020 is the primary is the trinary base 3 representation of 33 Huh, that's what I said. We should have caught that John! I can't believe you didn't put it in the newsletter. I wasn't thinking in trinary at the time. This is 33 the magic number with this omen recognized i declare this episode blessed. I've also added another 33 cents just to be safe. I've been listening since near as makes no differences

1:02:30 episode 510 and have never before donated. This means I've been a douchebag for half the lifetime of the T-P-B, TB-PITU special thanks to my friend Nelson who i hit in the mouth for calling me out as such hey Nelson! I'll save this seat next to me at the roundtable anticipating your knighting ceremony I'd also like to call out Chris Fisher of Jupiter Broadcasting as a douchebag. His show Unfiltered is inspired by the best podcast in the universe, but to my knowledge he's never donated...I'd like to...never donate? He's never mentioned us according to this thing. They use what- I think I've heard they use a lot of our clips. Well worse than that! Oh no! I finally went over there listen and they got besides this

1:03:25 Millennials stay woke, I could have gotten that. But the one that really got my attention normally I don't like calling out another podcaster as a douche bag because then you get irked but when i heard this clip which is the bonus clip I sent you oh then I got it Oh brother come on and now I need to lecture them The FTC is going to make sure that one of my red book predictions comes true. Now the new trouble for Facebook Wow brazen Brazen! Red book predictions? My goodness. Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame,

1:04:12 God knows what else, I haven't listened to that much of it. Unless it's a parody of our show which is not...I will say as well produced because its video so instead just running video, you know R clips are just audio clips which can get here and there off the radio, off C-SPAN, they give them in a lot different ways all their clips are video clips which is a pain in the ass because theres a video show They never show their faces on the show that I know of, and they just have these clips and then they showed the chat room when they're talking. And then they go back to another video clip so it's kind of a half... It could be even more slick but come on people need to be a little more creative. Just a tad. I mean I'm sure there is Millennial State Walk you can... There are all kinds of cool stuff out there if you want to just drop little bombs in there. Yeah! Little memes like...

1:05:05 But just to copy somebody else's stuff is pretty douchey. Oh well, it's the highest form of flattery! Yeah, it is. Do you feel flattered? Are you do you have flattery fever I'll get about they'll back up a little bit about Jupiter They're pretty much a competitor not with so much with us except for this one show which still doesn't really compete Except with the stolen stuff They're more competitive with Leo's operation because it's a big network of mostly Linux Wow Oh, gotcha. Commentary and Linux analysis and there's a lot of shows it's like dozen or more two does. Sounds compelling! Well to Linux people yeah but it's like everything else is that once they get a little taste of talking about politics you know you gotta do a politics show. You're a Linux expert we're gonna talk about politics okay

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1:14:46 Baron of Las Vegas, I was prompted to donate by a ludicrous news headline. As i was about to click on the link...I stopped! Staring at the screen, I realized that I should be enjoying the beautiful spring weather rather than reading inflammatory reporting!! I'm sure if there's something important in that story John and Adam will cover it on the show It was such a feeling of release, of relief. I had to donate thanks for the news health. Oh you're more than welcome we're happy to take all the unhealthy stuff for you these are associate executive producers Melissa Talon $200 even

1:15:29 My husband hit me in the mouth a while ago and he's a radio jock from way back, and got me listening. It's a good thing. Since then I can't stop! I hope you guys always know how valuable you are what you do matters a lot in a world of crap and confusion it is so good to tune into the guys as I call you. Are you assuming our gender Melissa? Apparently. I look forward to my time when i can listen in, and I'm a composer artist musician teacher And homeschool mom John you had me at home school Honestly if someone had tapped me on the shoulder 10 years ago and told me I would be Homeschooling by two beautiful children I would have laughed I would have laughed incredulously In their face But somehow the world has changed and so have I My children have never seen The inside of a classroom and they will Be better for it

1:16:23 I would say probably yes. They are happy, smart and they can also win spelling bees. Yes! They're a happy smart outgoing creative critical thinkers did i say happy? We often call out all the ships at sea in the morning before we begin with a slight change because our children are seven and nine we say fleets in the air Oh, instead of feets in the air? Yeah. Feet's in the air. Okay I don't know why kids would care one way or the other so just saying I absolutely love it when you talk education because Australia aha is never far behind the US we seem to copy everything my husband and I often quote you guys it's fantastic to hear your voices Adam you have such

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1:20:58 When you watch this ad on television, you can watch it a number of times and you don't know what the hell they're talking about. When you just listen to the ad, you can say oh okay I kind of get it but its lame! But this ad was called out well here's the whole art...I think they even discussed it so play the Heineken Ad. And perhaps you've seen it? The new commercial by Heineken that is causing some controversy In it a bartender spots a woman down at the bar He then slides a bottle of Heineken past, uh...of light beer past a black woman. Then a black musician and then another black woman before the beer settles in front of a glass of wine with the caption sometimes lighter is better Chance The Rapper for one called the ad terribly racist in a tweet Heineken has removed the commercial and said in a statement that it missed the mark And is taking the feedback to heart Oh my goodness

1:21:52 Well, what's next? The American Express black card. Come here you elites! You're all racist Maybe I watched the ad and it said actually very well done the guy some Multicultural guy is a bartender and he's got his binoculars on his looking and he sees this woman with a glass of white wine And so he takes, pours a Heineken light and then shoves it down the bar. So it goes speeding down the bar, goes past various people but goes past the black woman then it slides onto the floor magically and then slides under a black musician who apparently is playing at this club and then it stops over by the white wine glass while a black woman walks passed it

1:22:38 And again, then the woman who's intended for she looks at it and she obviously is gonna drink it now. And then they come out when they say lighter is better and that's racist! Yeah yeah well you know when Chance The Rapper says something... I'm a fan of Chance The Rapper he's good Well he spotted this as racist He's uh he's comedian too I think he does stand up guys very funny guys very funny Oh look him up I ran into another, just an offbeat clip before we get into a series of clips. Have you seen Al Gore's daughter? No...I wouldn't even know her name. She is very- okay well here's a little clip of Gore's kid but before you play it I'll give you a little she's unfortunately she's an uptalker and I didn't notice that until I- Fabulous! Nice Yeah she's an uptalker and I didn't notice that until he was editing the clip I didn't notice when I was watching or she's very pretty

1:23:40 There's a lot of gore women who are very pretty huh, and I guess she's the daughter of Sparky or whatever his wife's name was Sparky gore What's her name? What is Sparky's daughter's name? She mentions it in this clip. Oh, I can see it. Yeah. Anyway so she's an up-target but she's good looking and you can tell that even though this is stupid what they did you can tell she's gonna be a player in the game. Yes, I'm looking at her right now...what's your name here? Karina. Karena!

1:24:15 Karenna Karenna nice Russian name a collusion collusion anybody And in Massachusetts, the judge has found 13 protesters not responsible after they temporarily halted a pipelines construction by non-violently laying down in a trench being dug by spectra energy to carry fractured gas through West Roxbury, Massachusetts. District Judge Mary Ann Driscoll made her ruling after the protesters argued the necessity defense saying their civil disobedience was justified by the urgent need to stop climate change among those arrested in a civil disobedience was Karenna Gore, daughter of former Vice President Al Gore she spoke on Tuesday after the ruling What happened today is really important

1:25:01 We had a long and winding road, but essentially the people that put themselves in the way of building this fossil fuel pipeline were found not responsible by reason of necessity. Yeah, she could work on this up talking thing. It's annoying well the put that she was a part of it So yeah, she's on the scene She'll be there she has the lawyer yes. She has the right look more dynasty we need more dynasties in America anymore dynasty Yeah, that's really good. That's the American way shit create our own dynasty Dynasties Well anyway, I thought that was interesting. I went to democracy now for my clips today because i do some NBC stuff But it was like you said you said there's nothing oh My god democracy now plays a lot of offbeat stuff And so I get some it's just to fill up the stormy daniel stories and but did this space in between Yeah They did this stormy daniels thing too but it wasn't anything like uh see if I didn't have anything on stormy yeah well I had the um

1:26:04 What I have uncovered is that both Stormy and Karen, what's her name? McDougal or something. That says she's the model. Yeah They both have the same lawyer Michael Avenatti Esquire And it's funny yeah well what's even funnier is in 2003 the law school honored Michael by establishing the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pretrial and Trial Advocacy Here we go. Well, while in college and later in law school Michael worked at a... This is bio. Michael worked at a political opposition research firm and media firm funded by Rahm Emanuel who later became White House Chief of Staff as presently mayor of Chicago during his time there Michael worked on over 150 campaigns in 42 states including multiple gubernatorial and congressional campaigns ie Joe Biden's US Senate campaign so the guys are shill

1:27:05 Now we understand. There's a connection. He's one of those dirty tricksters, guys. Well he is... What are you munching on? A lozenge? B12. Oh b12 okay. That's okay I can munch on the B-12 So he is connected to Obama and the Clintons Yeah! My goodness. He's a Segretti Donald Segretti look him up That's the kind of guy he obviously is now. I should mention bring that in now it makes nothing big, it all makes sense now Yeah but where's the reporting on this? Oh what am I thinking! I'm sorry how stupid are you You're already getting me kicking me off the show yeah exactly There's your reporting Hmm I wonder why that is hmm so strange Here's a This Is A Democracy Now clip

1:27:58 This is funny because this was a big story and everybody played it up, but they never played the finality of it. And I just kind of chuckled to myself when this was done. Female senators and inaction. Oh yes! All 22 female senators, both Democrat and Republican have written a letter to the Senate leadership demanding the passage of legislation addressing sexual harassment on Capitol Hill. Early last month the House of Representatives passed a bill overhauling the secretive process for reporting sexual harassment in Congress. The legislation would bar lawmakers accused of sexual harassment or assault from using

1:28:38 payer money to settle lawsuits and would provide legal representation to those alleging they've been sexually harassed. Since then there's been no action in pushing the legislation through the Senate." Yeah I had this on my list of, I didn't have a clip but i had my list of stories to talk about. Just drop dead! Yeah they don't care, they don't give a crap about women. No. Hashtag me too? Bleh we don't care. You know what, I'm gonna get sued by some sleazy secretary is working for me. I want the taxpayers to pay for my defense." And, I don't want anyone to know that that happened! No we can't have this legislation... Well on that i think the hashtag MeToo and hashtag Time's Up and just throw in hashtag Enough's enough throwing everybody they missed a really big opportunity you know Stormy Daniels' The Anderson Cooper interview where he's just foaming at the mouth over this

1:29:33 Journalistic hat trick he's pulled. Yeah Trump if it's true, and this is why I'm surprised no one picked up on it be I guess because they're all falling over themselves with glee about the Dottie details of the story but did he use a condom? Well, yeah, but But the way I understand that is Trump was really no better than Harvey Weinstein by promising her a role on The Apprentice and there baby, it's all gonna be good And she didn't really want to sleep with him. But you know thought it could probably help her career He's just as sleazy as Weinstein not that we didn't know that but specifically Promising a role in a media property and they dropped the ball on that this is an obvious call out an obvious one

1:30:23 No, you're right. They could have done that but yeah and it doesn't have to be the news heads It could be the me too hashtag me to movement where are they? Yeah, but he's doing it with hookers She's not a hooker. Hohoho she's not a hooker Okay, she is an adult film actor. Yeah usually if they say adults films star which I was like Star star Anyway, I thought I thought they dropped side they dropped the ball on that one Yeah, they did. I think the problem is that they can't get their act together. They jump from thing to thing...they're having nothing but trouble Who's they? You mean the Me Too? The Democrats and the media Oh! I thought hashtag me too was concerned women around the globe No no it's about Hillary oh i'm sorry i misunderstood the mission yeah i think you did

1:31:17 Let's try another one from the Democracy Now! This goes back to Facebook. This is Facebook News. Okay, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg says he'll testify before Congress in the coming weeks amidst the burgeoning scandal about how the voter profiling company Cambridge Analytica harvested the data of more than 50 million Facebook users without their permission and efforts to sway voters to support President Donald Trump this comes as Facebook has been slapped with a new lawsuit by fair housing groups who accuse Facebook of allowing employers and housing brokers to discriminate in their targeted advertising. The lawsuit says some Facebook advertisers do not show job and housing listings to African-Americans, single women and women with children." Oh yeah! I saw this lawsuit

1:32:03 But you know what, it's like that's what Facebook was built for. To not send ads to everybody! I think it's a frivolous lawsuit but they even tested it we had housing ads for cheap housing and were able to exclude these categories of people which is racist and discriminatory Well then all targeted advertising is racist Thank you Of course it is Or bigoted in one way or the other. Of course it is! It's targeted, if you've got a product that you think you can sell to some white guy who works at a Wall Street bank and you have the opportunity to target him? Yeah why would you waste any money on targeting anybody else? You don't target them, you just target him If Facebook I am sure, and i think we can prove this too Would just give away the ads to everybody

1:32:56 Yeah, we wouldn't be sure give them away. I don't care but we want this is who were targeting We want to sell it to a white guy who works at Wall Street Bank? Yeah That's that's what the point of the targeting is so I got a kick out of that I'm still as a pure marketing issue. I'm still interested in understanding Why it seems impossible for anybody to convince the rest of the world that the internet is more than the face bag and Instagram in stuff and the tweeters and The gram the gram well, it's insta is what they hip hopper say but the ground on my hey girl Can I have you insta? That's how you got a do it. Yeah, can I be Instagram? Oh

1:33:38 But you know just if you look at I'll just say mastodon and no agenda social calm It's very comparable. It's very usable You know it's a you could set up one with your friends And then you can federate and have it you can build your own network better eight I don't understand why No, one is interested in this I mean what what people want alternatives? I think they would take an alternative But is it just that no one really wants to deal with it? Is this, I don't know. Does it need to be a company with the CEO who gets tech press in order to launch something like this? You know there's some guys out there who are... Yeah, I am asking you! There's some guys out there who are, you know great marketing trick yeah we've got an alternative to Twitter will never sell your data there's no ads and the first million customers don't have to pay its free okay great

1:34:34 I think they've expanded it to the first 10 million customers. The way i see it, if its free there's a cost. There nothings free. Facebook is not free. Understood. And people should realize that thats why you know... But for all the bitching people do about how many characters are on twitter what can or cant do with your photos Is ther really no animus amongst younger people to get something started that really doesn't have to cost much if you know if everyone kind of joins in You could have fun and no one could turn your pictures off. You can do whatever you want Why why is this not happening? This used to be what the internet was we're like, oh shit a new protocol Let's jump on it

1:35:19 Wasn't there a bunch of, well Mastodon's a good example. I think during the Twitter early days, I think it was couple of products Pounce or something like that and some Twitter clones Right but these were all commercial companies who were trying to make money off of it Yeah Oh you think oh I see what your saying You think something should just show up Look why do we have a million Linux podcasts But no one setting up a mastodon network for the children Because they're not getting paid Well, there you go then. Okay well then everyone gets what they deserve. It's not like everybody is... for one thing that people that are very philanthropic to the point where they

1:36:05 Pretty much give away their time, they give away their expertise. They give away their experience to giveaway everything and they give away their money that you're with a house that people come in and live there those types of people that high That's a high-end generous person who just gives up What you describe? They don't have the skills to do what you want them to do what you're describing right now is exactly what the what eight nine hundred listeners we have What they do, they do exactly that. They set up websites, they put resources, they fund the work we do... It is possible! This is why I'm a little confused. To a point but it's not as you know and we've discussed this on the show what we get and we have a lot more than 800. We have probably 10-20 times 20 maybe

1:36:53 a thousand times that many, thousand maybe. Whatever it is we have a lot of people that do nothing. We have two people today that came on the show and said you know I've been listening since 500 is my first donation now there were two people who came out with good long time listeners they finally donated which is great and we want that we'd like to see new people come aboard but there's people out there that never given us a nickel they've never given us a time-of-day some of us just steal our material There's a bunch of people out there that are of the normal ilk. They just don't care They don't you go off the air tomorrow and never do another show man, whatever we can find something else maybe So I think your opinion of people as a whole is a little optimistic Well spooky are in the troll room just says something very prolific Prolific or profound? Yes profound prophylactic profound

1:37:50 Maybe there's just no value in social networks. Maybe people just really don't get it And you're saying you're sending that message to mr.. You can't monetize the network well, no Different things different not monetizing the work is different at the network is different from That people actually don't care about it because it's there and they get sucked in and their hypnotized or whatever But they really don't like it So you, this is a point of argument. I would like to...I'll take one side or middle side, I don't know what side I'm taking but there's an assertion that if Facebook and Twitter went away tomorrow it would be different than Amazon going away. Like I wrote a column about Amazon going away and it would affect everybody because not just because of the...mostly because of AWS

1:38:43 probably less so because of the store. But if Facebook and Twitter went away, just stop tomorrow and they say they sent everyone an email with all their data that they want to show or their photos everything you got everything back I don't think anyone cares about getting it back either. I don't think they care That's probably true. I think the world would go on I think there'd be some complaining And it would just okay let's what I know what we're gonna do Go back at my live journal account Oh there ya go! I'm shorting Facebook I don't care how high goes It has no actual future. People don't really want it, that's the takeaway. Well this was not a recommendation to short Facebook I'm just saying... I guess you didn't get in on that Tesla short huh John? So its like... Oh okay! Oh Tesla is short as well, you gotta... This thing is... You know pop back up a little bit its 250 I mean the potential is zero. But we were talking about this $100 ago

1:39:43 Yeah, well that's true. Okay, I missed out on a hundred bucks. A share? Yeah. Yeah, thousand shares you'd be up at 100 thousand. What am i doing this podcast for? Yeah you should be more aggressive in your investment portfolio. My portfolio! I'll call my guy he has to be little more aggressive So I think that's possible...I think if you make the argument of these things drop dead tomorrow people go well they shrug and maybe go back to calling people on the phone. I don't know, but then again I'm not a Facebook user so I can say these sorts of things without... Right but you're a Twitter user and you definitely like the Twitters? Yeah if Twitter dropped yet tomorrow I'd kind of... You know what would do is you'd go back to blogging! Yeah blogging's fine

1:40:31 Well, I think that's quite a revelation for me. It is at least people actually want those stuff you agree or not Yeah III think that people don't actually want these social networks then they don't even realize how little fun They're having on them and how it affects their lives And that's why there's an active effect on their lives and I think a lot of people get depressed and they get into mention being They get stuck in there. They can't get out Yeah, and no one is thinking if only we could have one that doesn't take our data. That's not their problem Their problem is they feel like they have to keep up with the Joneses Have to make sure that they're cool in life They can see what their friends are doing People who used to go to high school but now know what they're up too And want to keep knowing when they don't need to know any of it Exactly It's actually very bad to know these things I think it destroys lives

1:41:18 Yeah, I think we've solved the problem. Okay? We're done now we fix all the Fixed all the problems of the world good to know no that that's well I give plus one two spooky are for that one because I hadn't actually considered that people just don't really want it They were actually deep down Subconsciously don't want this stuff But they feel like they have to be a part of it and that's why no one is saying It's not the platform. That's the problem. It's the actual acts the actions itself Yeah, it's like guns. How do you make that comparison? That's not the gun that's the problem It's the people who shoot the gun at somebody else and hit him in the head with a bullet gotcha I like that

1:42:06 So let's go to the census. Yes, if I can just say let me give a little do you have a background or should I kind of give it big rap? A quick I have a background clip but to local clip Yeah, which is which I think was because he's California is making the biggest fuss so I think the local coverage will well look at this one paragraph background er that the way the United States Republic of the United States of America works and is every 10 years it's written in the Constitution, we have to count how many people are here. And I don't think there's any stipulation about anything else but just count the people and that is specifically to determine how many representatives you receive in the federal government. That is the only reason for this. Pretty much yeah so then they started adding on other questions and stuff and you know...and I remember getting this

1:43:00 20 years ago, I think in New Jersey and I didn't really know much about it for some reason. It was like the penalty of law you must fill this out! And I'm like fuck it, I'm not filling that out and I want the government to know what I am doing. I didn't realize that is actually required by law. Will you get fined or thrown into jail if you don't fill it out? I don't think so. I mean, you could technically but I'm thinking it was going to have time. So the reason this is important as I said is based upon how many citizens live in your state is how many representatives you receive in the Congress and when you add to that

1:43:44 Are you a citizen, which is what this debate is about. If you have that question there and if you're an illegal alien and you get the scary note, you have to fill it out by penalty of law? You're probably not going to fill it out at all. You don't want to be on the list." And I think... Well that's the theory Yes, and maybe everyone will say I'm a citizen. That's fine too. And that messaging is coming in California lost and gotten there yet they lost their crap over this because they do all the liberals across the country have gone as one of the talk show guys has said they've gone ape Yeah yeah They've gone ape. I don't like it. That must be Michael Savage thing you gotta stop listening to him

1:44:32 because they think, oh wait a minute we might have less representatives if we can't have everybody counted. There's no other reason for it but their actual reasoning is of such a degree of ludicrous that it's hilarious! It's unconstitutional! Well the whole thing I find that the... so I had to local report then and then I have bunch of clips with with Amy... Democracy Now? And with a writer from Mother Jones and going back and forth saying a lot of weird contradictory stuff that makes no sense. But let's start with the census question local. California now suing the Trump administration over one single question, the question are

1:45:17 Are you an American citizen? The Trump administration says that question will protect voters, but California says it'll hurt our state. NBC's Blaine Alexander joins us live from Washington with more on this controversy. Blaine And Jessica, the California Attorney General also said today that not only is it the wrong choice but it's illegal. Now the U.S Constitution says that point of this census is to make sure everyone in the US is accurately counted but some critics say that cannot happen with this new question if some people are too scared to take it Are you a US citizen? It's a question not asked on the 10 year U.S. census in decades, but under the Trump administration it is coming back in 2020. It is going to determine the individuals in our country and provide information that allows us to comply with our own

1:46:06 our own laws. The administration says the move was requested by the Justice Department to help protect the rights of voters, but critics call it politically motivated last week. The president's re election campaign sent this survey to supporters asking them toe weigh in what this move potentially does is puts a lot of folks back in the shadows which likely means shying away from the census altogether there is a very serious legitimate fear that the census itself could end up being a very inaccurate count. A big impact on states with the largest immigrant populations, affecting everything from federal funding to representation in Congress This latest move by the Trump administration threatened California

1:46:52 is not just a bad idea, it's against the law. The state of California suing to stop it We lose big if Trump is successful in adding this question on the census so we're gonna fight tooth and nail A growing fight over a single question I really love this This is so fun to watch us unfold First of all, the questions that are asked that have been always asked traditionally include race. I remember in the 2010 census, there was a big brouhaha about having other races as a selection. There's always been something to people... There is always something. Someone is always offended and then there's what sex are you? I mean, I can only imagine where's the outrage over well if you're going to put sex and you have to put gender and we have to have 63 different check boxes

1:47:42 I mean, there's no that no one seems to be upset about that in this particular case. But did this not was this not already on the form and it was removed for the 2010 census? That's my understanding. Yeah well i looked into this because they're making a big fuss about it It's always been on there, even though they say it's a lie. Decades, decades, decades! Sarah Sanders says it hasn't been on since 1950 this is not true no but its not been on the short survey has been on the long form oh the long form has always had and then Sarah Sanders says until your 2010

1:48:23 She's actually could have said the year 2010 to because the long form had been sent at 2010 was renamed the American Community Survey Which was what they've long form of the census became this other thing that decided in 2005 to just rename it to something else. And so, it's just a different thing... And is sent out separately? It's separate... Yeah I think only as many people get it So that doesn't count then and it's not part of the actual census No! It is It is. It's the long form of the census because the censuses comes in two forms, one you just send out to how many people in your household where do they live and then the other ones were trying to get demographic data and they're trying to find out how much people are making. Psychographics John, psychographics. Well there in this case I don't think they're getting psychographic data at all. I think it's demographic

1:49:17 but they're going through the, you know how many people in the house? What's the price of your house is not that detailed. But it's different as long as a long from I've seen at once. I think I got it 10 years ago and it's just a long form yet to fill out and um, They just renamed it. But the fact is, the long form always had the question of are you a citizen? But everyone's all bent out of shape because no one was talking about the long form or that American... Hold on, one more question. So in 2010 it was still on the Long Form they just changed the name of the... No, yes, it was under... It was on the American Community Survey. Right which was actually the Long Form I got it

1:49:59 Yeah, there's just a bunch of swapping names and procedures and changing this for some reason. I think the long form got that people thought it was invasive as part of these complaints. And so by changing the name they figured that would lessen the complaints because it has the word community in it. Seriously, that's gotta be it! That is great So, let's listen to them moaning and groan about one thing or another. I got two ways to start it. Thank you by the way for looking into that because I've not heard that mentioned anywhere that it actually always has been on the long form. If you go to our show notes...I sent you a link that should be in the show notes from The Federalist which discusses this is great detail. Good And that should go on the show notes so people can read this article and they really pretty much

1:50:53 Takes a lot of this hysteria out of the argument, but let's listen to some of that. One more question Is it your understanding that the idea is now to put this on the short form? Is is that what the problem is going to be yeah Yeah, okay. It was on the short form in 1950 but I think as they developed a long form they didn't care it's just one of numbers and in 1950 they were trying to get our numbers up and there did no one you didn't there wasn't not an illegal alien problem in 1950 right? There is one now mm-hmm so that's kind of maybe the difference why they decided to put it back on the long form used to always be on the short form and then

1:51:32 They moved to the long form and then they moved it back to the short form. So, I think because of 1950... Well hold on with that in mind if this had if none of this had been an issue then everyone still would have diligently filled out the form. I think now that has become such a big blown up issue is why there are a lot of people who may not fill it out Maybe, maybe not. Okay? Maybe they'll do what you suggested which is something I haven't heard yet but I can imagine hearing it just put You know that you're a citizen who cares? Who gives a crap? What are you gonna- yeah, you're illegal alien anyway! What are they gonna do and you can always say no taxation without representation Which seems to be the defense That would be good

1:52:22 So let's start with the census one breakdown brewing over the 2020 US Census. At least 12 states are moving to sue the Trump administration over plans to add a question, Are you a U S citizen? Voting rights activists fear the question on the upcoming census will deter immigrants from participating in the census, leading to a vast undercount in states with large immigrant communities. This could impact everything from the redrawing of congressional maps to the allocation of federal funding." This is California's Attorney General Becerra By including a citizenship question, which will diminish response rates the census will not be able to fulfill its constitutional duty to count everyone.

1:53:09 On Tuesday, White House spokesperson Sarah Sanders said this decision to add a citizenship question was quote necessary for the Department of Justice to protect voters. The purpose is to determine individuals that are here it also helps to comply with the Voting Rights Act At least five former directors of the Census Bureau who served under Republican and Democratic presidents have written a letter opposing the citizenship question. For more, we're joined by Ari Berman, a senior writer at Mother Jones, author of Give Us The Ballot! The Modern Struggle for Voting Rights in America. His new piece just out today headlined Hidden Figures—The 2020 Census Will Shape the Future of Our Democracy." Well this is a stunning development, Ari.

1:53:54 That simple question, are you an American citizen? A U.S. citizen? Talk about the significance of this. It's one question but it is a huge question on a huge issue because the census affects everything in American life Amy. It affects how $675 billion dollars in federal funding is allocated to states and localities. It affects how many congressional seats and electoral votes states get. how local and federal districts are drawn. It affects the data that every institution in America, from corporations to universities to the military uses to understand their populations and so if the census is rigged if the census is manipulated then all of American democracy is rigged and manipulated as a result. And there's always been a tremendous undercount of people of color by the census. In the 2010 Census

1:54:50 1.5 million people of color were undercounted, were not counted by the Census Bureau. Is that because the race question was on there? It's a possibility, but of color you're using of color wise because there's blacks the American citizen who is black. Yeah You talking about them or are you talking about American citizens who are Chinese? Are you talking about them they're off color No, you're talking about illegal immigrants But you using this true I don't know how a black person can put up with this with the Democrats Really race own in the same pot yeah It's just beyond me how black people in this country can put up with this crap being thrown in the same pot. Yeah, like an illegal alien. Like a box of crayons So I found that to be annoying so let's go to clip two All right That undercount could be dramatically larger now under Trump because immigrants are gonna Be afraid to respond to the census now and so what Donald Trump is doing Is he's turning the census which is a constitutionally mandated act

1:55:56 every 10 years. He's turning the census into a tool of voter suppression, and to a tool of nativist resentment and that's so shocking for our democracy. Nativist resentment? Nice! I like that. I gotta put that on the list. That's good. That's a show title man. Nativists Resentment. But wouldn't it have been American Indians? Well, nativist doesn't mean American Indian. So he's a nativist as he is a nationalist? Okay got it got it you know how about this... Hold on a second! How does this voter repression thing work? The thing is that these guys give themselves away and there's a lot of... It's obvious because when the census came around and black American families went oh my god if we fill this out they'll notice were black I mean what that's that's the conclusion

1:56:49 Well, that's kind of the A conclusion. The conclusion I come to though is when they talk about voter suppression... this whole bit is about illegal immigrants who are here illegally under one circumstance or another who shouldn't be voting anyway! Yeah but that's the rub! They believe that according you know as if you read the Constitution representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned Among the several states according to their respective numbers now. They're saying well Okay, and it's all you're absolutely right It's about having them vote and I guess vote for the Democrats they're saying well if you're taxing them That's half of the law right there if you're taxing then they are supposed to get representation so II would say let's have no questions only how many people live here or

1:57:40 Right? You don't have to have age or anything, gender sex rate. None of that is necessary and stop taxing illegals Stop it Make that illegal. That's a funny idea, yeah of course the simple form is already trains already left the station people find the information too valuable but this is about Democrats which is what Trump said all along which is kind of interesting ironic that you have all these voters in California mostly there's a state that's really bent out of shape about this

1:58:16 Voting for the Democrats. That's why the state is so Democrat I mean, there's not a state like this Democrat everything that cut the legislators all Democrats The corruptions all Democrats every local mayor as a Democrat There's some there's some pushback in Orange County and that's about it was his only real Republican stronghold But let's move on to a clip tree What about what Sarah Sanders said? Well, there's two Unbelievable lies that she told the first line that she told us a citizenship question. No, no every census It was not just the light it was an ugly little lie ugly Just nothing at all The first lie that you taught is that the citizenship question has been asked every sense since 1965 in fact That hasn't been asked since 1950 when America was a segregated Jim Crow society So it hasn't been asked for nearly 70 years secondly

1:59:08 She said it was removed in 2010, which is completely untrue. It wasn't asked during Reagan years? During Bush years? No! It hasn't been asked since 1950 the question was removed in 1950 In fact they competed Reagan and Bush right to see who was more pro-immigrant Exactly and it's never been used obviously when we've had a president who has as outspoken on immigration, anti-immigration is Donald Trump. The second thing is this is totally unnecessary to enforce the Voting Rights Act that a question about citizenship has not been asked since the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965 and it's really hilarious to hear the Trump administration say that they're subtly concerned about enforcing the Voting Rights Act This is an administration that is clearly hostile to voting rights That hasn't filed a single suit to enforce the Voting Rights Act That has actually backed away from

1:59:54 from opposing laws like Texas's voter ID law that courts have found violate the Voting Rights Act. So you have an administration that is clearly hostile to the Voting Rights Act turning around and saying we need this data to enforce the Voting Rights Act it's an obvious ruse to try to get this data for other purposes. Oh brother, This guy has been drinking from the Dementia Bee Fountain! No he's out of control And then the uh... Let me see what's this one here clip that was for right and so let's Clip five, he actually makes a... Oh no we have clip four first. Nevermind sorry. Play the census four and then I'll get to five which has got the best bit on it. So for example California has a larger number of foreign born residents and undocumented immigrants than any other state in the country. California could lose $1900 per person in federal funding over 20 billion dollars in federal funding if immigrants don't respond to the census

2:00:54 Not only that, they could lose multiple congressional seats and electoral votes. There's only 435 electoral votes in the country Amy this is a fixed number so if California loses two congressional votes and let's say a state that's more white and more conservative gains electoral votes that's going to affect the entire presidential election. Not all illegal immigrants are brown Broseph In New York City, most of them are from Europe. Just overstayed their visa and they're working in restaurants. There's a lot of Arabs... Well there's tons but okay in the racist mind of this jamoke See if you can figure out what the real goal is of this guy Democracy Now! and everybody in between that's all bent out of shape about this

2:01:42 In clip five, there's a little gaffe that really says everything. Ari what do you say to those who say well undocumented people shouldn't be represented in Congress? Undocumented people shouldn't be getting federal funding Well it's always been the case that districts have been drawn based on total population not citizenship This actually just went to the Supreme Court A few years ago and the Supreme Court two years ago rolled unanimously to zero that districts should be drawn based on total population and not citizenship because they said everyone who's here deserves citizenship, deserves citizenship meaning the ability to be represented whether or not they are or are not a citizen. So when there is a fire... Ah! Okay well this is very interesting

2:02:28 I didn't... actually tell me what the gaff is. How do you find this to be a gaff? Well, there's a gaff that is about two-thirds of the way through and then he digs himself out of it very elegantly if you weren't paying attention. I'm going to listen to it again. I'll tell you what it is in advance so we don't have to spend too much time. He says everybody in the country deserves citizenship! Yeah, no he said the Supreme Court said that No no well the way he phrases it yeah that's what he says then he digs himself up because that's not what was said and he digs himself out but he's thinking... HE'S THE ONE WHO THINKS

2:03:06 Like all the Democrats in California. Everyone who's here deserves... You somehow get into California, boom! Auto-citizenship. Okay so alright I understand why you're calling it a gap but what he is really saying is the argument that I thought he would come up with was no taxation without representation That's what that is about Yeah he's fine with it but that's another self contradictory problem Because if that's true, just click the box. You're not a citizen." Yeah exactly let me listen to that again. So why are you so paranoid about it? Let me listen again. Oops sorry. A few years ago in the Supreme Court two years ago ruled unanimously eight to zero that districts should be drawn based on total population and not citizenship because they said everyone who's here deserves citizenship deserves

2:03:51 Citizenship meaning the ability to be represented whether or not they are or not a citizen. Yeah, okay yeah I understand how he dug himself out yeah but that is the thinking anyone who's here you deserve to vote for us. You deserve to vote Democrat. You deserve to vote for us! You're here and you deserve to vote Democrat we're on your side Well, this is what Fox News is on about continuously. Oh, Fox... I can't even watch that anymore! You can't watch any of it? You can't watch any- That's why I'm watching Democracy Now!, that's the... Why am I stuck watching Democracy Now?! And the crap is showing up there too This is unbelievable Yeah but at least its more extreme and funnier to clip Yeah Agreed And then you have Ripe

2:04:41 Let's try the census rap, which may be actually the beginning. At least 12 states say they'll sue the Trump administration over its plans to add a question about citizenship to the upcoming census. Voting rights activists say the question will deter immigrants from participating in the census which is used to allocate public funds and draw congressional districts. This is White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders. So I think my solution is the obvious one it looks like let's just have no questions on it Just start with that. Yeah, this is what your solution is not workable it I mean I like the idea you do this but realistically your solutions is no good because no one's gonna even think oh well that's why I'm a podcaster John and not in DC making laws obviously my ideas are too smart but how will this end? It's just not gonna they're not gonna

2:05:36 End this with lawsuits. That's not gonna it's like well when you read the Federalist article, which is in the show notes You'll find that most of the this is all blather these guys that say it's illegal to do there so it's California gonna sue Nothing's like they can't there's no There's no they got no foundation It's not illegal as nothing they can well then sue over and they will have to move over to the messaging Let's think about how this would best be done That's what they'll do, exactly what they're gonna do. Right so... Well then get people to illegally check the box saying I'm a citizen which i think would be illegal by promoting that which I can see them doing these guys

2:06:17 I don't know. That's what I'm saying, will the Democratic Party attempt to message that it's okay? Maybe we need some in-depth reporting on what happens with the census to show that no ICE doesn't look at it you know the database is protected... No! Yeah, I think yeah I believe I have some ideas of how to do this correctly You do stories about how ICE looked at these things and this is I'm a citizen. Oh, we can't go bust them they're citizens let's go someplace else and arrest them instead. Ah yes well we're gonna have to have instructional videos coming out in the form of news reports yeah We need some man on the street

2:07:02 Yeah, which is easy because you just chop out the ones purposes of this census. You are a citizen Think of that think about that Yeah, are you gonna check citizen on the box? You should yes why everyone's doing it well I'm from Mexico I've never got there says oh but your living here right yeah makes you a citizen Yeah, so what we're gonna see is redefinition of the word citizen Yes What is the definition of citizen? I don't know and I only know from those movies What do you mean? The ones with the giant bugs are attacking Earth. And they say, hello citizen! Yeah don't you... we have clips! You used to play the clip all the time. Hello Citizen! Well yeah that's from Batman actually No it's no I got those clips. That's from these movies Somebody in the chat room knows what i'm talking about Well I can play it for you because I have it here Hey citizen Hold on Yeah this is a long version

2:08:06 A man who calls himself a citizen! A man who is no better than a plug. That man is Elmo Goniff, the self-proclaimed pacifist turned terrorist and today he and other members of the Goniff Peace Coalition are wanted in connection with the council bombing And hey citizen you can help Know your neighbors? Turn that f***ing thing off! Take another look, citizen. No that's where it was from. Hey citizen... There you go. Hey Citizen is from Batman Well I have some-I get some clips of the other show which has a lot of You Can Become A Citizen Does anyone know the name of the movies we're talking about there's like five of them

2:08:48 Starship troopers? Yes, starship troopers. A citizen a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection well there you go And the thing that bothers me about this whole thing Is that there are illegal immigrants who joined the army somehow Yeah and serve the country And then they want to kick him out of the country. I mean, those people it seems to me should be automatically made citizens is a lot of work to join the army and go into battle. Don't you think these guys should get some special

2:09:30 you know, treatment? Well if I'm looking at Merriam-Webster and words do matter particularly when it comes to politics because these fuckers are all lawyers. Uh oh there goes our Microsoft's gonna kill our... Oh oops Skype just yeah Skype could go down any minute definition of citizen inhabitant of a city or town especially one entitled to the rights and privileges of a free man A member of a state, a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to the government and is entitled to protection from it. And then a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state. Soldiers are sent to protect the citizens." This is very interesting! I think its arguable

2:10:15 I don't think, yes. Bookish definitions it is very arguable but if you go by common sense it seems to me that somebody goes into the army... You mean like our common-sense gun regulation and our common sense comprehensive immigration reform? Is that what you mean by common sense? No not at all of course! Of course I don't but it seems to me as somebody goes in the Army and serves our country for two three four years or however long And he's a Mexican immigrant and he does this? I don't get it. Why is that just not automatically made a citizen? Hey, discharge here's your discharge papers as your citizenship papers. Boom! John... I'm gonna be look out for the messaging they know that the legal angle is not going to work

2:11:04 So they've got to come up with some other ruse. And they can't do it by just saying to do this because that would be, I think that's illegal. No but... But they can hint at it. Yeah here is how you hint about it if no census comes in from a dwelling That suspicious If the census comes in from a dwelling where no I'm not a US citizen You're gonna get investigated! If the census comes in from a dwelling that says yes we are US citizens You probably have nothing to worry about That would be the message. That would be the messaging, yes I agree Again we solve it all on this show And indeed We do have people to thank for show 1020 which now as this show progresses we realize had all kinds of

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2:20:12 And Easter is Sunday, which is another good day. Another good reason to contribute. Of course things slow down and we're on the Easter weekend but... I caught something very interesting from a member of your EU Starfleet Command Parliament apparently and I don't know if this is just pile jumping or you know what's going on but according to him and have a little clip here The EU has been working for years on a peace treaty with North Korea, secretly. And now they're coming out and saying well you know we've been doing that. Oh really? I guess i didn't know! And what you'll hear him say is something that uh... We learned from my uncle Don who was ambassador in South Korea and ran the CIA station and has been to North Korea multiple times

2:21:05 In fact, didn't he meet... I think he met his dad. Didn't he? Il? Kim Jong-Il? Yeah because he asked for DVDs and movies. Definitely yeah we gave him recommendations from movies what do we have like American President no I don't remember. We had a whole bunch of Blazing Saddles I think we had that one in there. Classic. I think the Koreans are gonna kick out of that But we learned from Uncle Don that really it's been armistice. You know, it's like a weapons truce It is no peace agreement with North Korea and that's all they've really wanted Here's this jim oak from the European Parliament The European Parliament delegation has revealed that he's been holding secret talks with North Korea for the past three years To try to persuade Pyongyang to negotiate an end to its nuclear program The group leader told euro news that they've held over 15 meetings in three years

2:21:58 There is an appetite for peace in North Korea. It's the longest armistice in human history, 64 years and do you know that the North Koreans have been asking for a peace treaty for 64 years? And they haven't been given a peace treaty or no one wants to sit down talk about a peace treaty. There you go! They've been having secret talks. What a bunch of losers... Why?! Coming in late coming in late. Hey, hey, hey Oh did Trump's might get oh no No, we've been doing this longer than you guys We want to be we want to get the Nobel Peace Prize credit for this. We want credit Yes Guys hmm This is the problem with this operation Yeah One of the many problems with the operations far as I'm concerned anyway yeah not a big fan obviously and what is up with? The FBI man

2:22:52 What is up with those guys? I mean, what's up with them. Well, geez, I mean they do everything it's not like we haven't been following this through our six week cycle for years how every six weeks we got to get some patsy and will rouse them up and you know then go and commit some act of terrorism but will give him a fake bomb or the FBI escorted the terrorists who shot up or tried to kill people, but shot up the Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland Texas. Then we had

2:23:27 Well, we knew about Omar Mateen that there was a lot of fishy stuff with the FBI and Mateen. They had investigated him before it turned out there was nothing going on. Of course the same thing with with the Florida school shooter they dropped the ball on that and now we hear conveniently at this moment that this guy's dad, who we already pegged as a shill because we knew he was in with Hillary and it was photographed in the State Department. We knew something was up... You're talking about Hogg? No I'm talking about Omar Mateen, the Pulse nightclub shooter. In the latest motion overnight, North Salmon's attorneys are seeking a dismissal of her criminal charges or a mistrial. It comes after the defense says they just learned in an email from prosecutors on Saturday that Pulse gunman Omar Mateen's father was a confidential FBI source from 2005 through June 2016 and the days after the pulse attack Sadiq Mateen did several interviews condemning his son's actions I don't approve what he did

2:24:29 What he did was completely act of terrorist. The defense also says the new email reveals Sadiq Mateen is under a criminal investigation for money transfers to Turkey and Pakistan They say those were found during his search of his home on the day of the pulse attack According to Salman's attorneys, the late disclosure of information prevented them from exploring if Sadiq Mateen knew of his son's plan and if so there would have been no need for Salman to create a cover story as the government alleges. In The Motion, the defense speculates that the decision not to give Salman a polygraph was possibly quote based on the FBI's desire to implicate North Salman rather than Sadiq Mateen in order to avoid scrutiny of its own ineptitude with the latter

2:25:14 This is problematic. I guess, we've gone back to the... if you remember those two guys in Boston and they go over to Florida to interview some kid that knows them or something that guns him down in his bedroom in a private conversation? If you remember that. Yeah It's just operation it's like the Keystone Cops Well, it seems like we're more interested in porn stars than actual news that affects people. And we're about it and those other guys who rip us off what's their name again? What's their podcast again? I can't remember but the other thing is we have...I got the biggest kick out of

2:26:07 What's the name of the guys on CNN, the Cuomo guy? Yeah. Coming off and saying well you know this is bullcrap we respect gun rights and the second amendment is never going to be under attack then all of a sudden one of the old hacks from... And a Republican appointee by the way that's what I'm gonna point him with this clip This is the second amendment on democracy now being discussed Sorry.

2:26:52 Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the NRA's ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option. Again, the quote of former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens. I'm all in on that you know my stance. I want to see that let's do it! Well if they want to do it they got to do it so Trump tweets after this The Second Amendment will never be repealed as much as Democrats would like to see this happen. I kind of agree with that and despite the words yesterday, a former Supreme Court Justice Stevens no way we need more Republicans in 2018 must always hold the Supreme Court meaning you know We get to pick the guys The irony to that tweet is that Stevens was picked by our Republican So there you have it Oh man

2:27:47 I'm all for it. I am happy to hear this and I'm glad it's coming back up again. This is going to get this guy they're gonna make a move for the thinking is amongst the right wingers, is that the Democrats? And I think there's some truth to this They're feeling their oats because they know they're going to kick ass in 2018, probably take over the House and the Senate maybe or one of the other. Maybe neither but one of they think they're gonna do it and so now they're feeling like this here with the public's loves us Democrats And so they're starting to reveal themselves in ways that they shouldn't normally they kind of

2:28:23 You know, they don't say stuff like the repeal of the Second Amendment. I mean they say that we need more gun control but the Second Amendment always seems safe but now this thing... People love whatever we say is gospel! Let's repeal the Second Amendment so the progressives are all over this saying yeah let's repeal it. Then i guess i'm a progressive? Yeah let's go for it. I don't want to repeal it but I would love the process to take place. Come on. Well, here's the thing that is a little thing if you want to get an argument with somebody on the dimension B side and they say well we got to do this or not. You should always bring up the equal rights amendment. You should say well, you know what happened? The equal rights amendment

2:29:10 And that was a positive thing. It's not repealing, you know... There is a thesis even though it is not necessarily true because with prohibition was proved wrong. Generally speaking the Constitution has amended to give more rights and not take rights away especially in the Bill of Rights. To take something off the Bill of Rights which was really considered very important during the founding would be like taking rights away and that's bad And the Equal Rights Amendment was adding rights, it was giving women equal rights. So you just bring it up and say well what happened to that? You had a big deal which went through Congress and then went to the states and then what happened? It just died!

2:29:49 It never passed. This Equal Rights Amendment, despite what a lot of women think... But see why would I say that? This is one of the rare moments- Oh no you want it to happen but if you were argumentative and not talking to you, I'm talking about the producers out there who will get into a fight with somebody. Ah okay I gotcha They're gonna say what happened to Equal Rights Amendment? It never got passed by the states so What makes you think this which takes rights away will get passed by the states when the equal rights amendment which added rights Yeah, didn't go anywhere. You see this is about the children So it's of course we're going to do it because it's about children rights amendments about the children It's about children John that's what it's all about and the children They are the ones that have taught us how to do it right? We're so dumb

2:30:35 You know, I've been saying that this hog character of this kid... Yeah. ...that he's gonna run into trouble because you just can't use the media machine without it eventually providing some blowback and of course with the internet it has gotten much worse and he is already running into some trouble where his story is not straight His story is he's a victim, a victim of the shooting who was speaking out as referenced by this clip. Well I was in my AP environmental science class when Chris Gunshot rang out. Immediately we looked around our classroom and told the teacher... So there he is saying I was in my class but then there's this other one from CBS. I got my camera

2:31:17 and got on my bike, and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school. To get as much video and get in as many interviews as I could." Oh... Oops. So he's a fake hero, which is one of the worst things you can do in America by the way. Oh yeah, you're toast! You gonna be a fake hero? I just don't think that kid is that bright... That's why that happened. Can't keep his story straight He's an abused child at this point. An abused child. Of course, of course. You can't blame him. This is like the biggest face bag like you could ever receive. But you gotta be careful

2:31:56 Because it will turn on you. And of course, no news about this in Pennsylvania. The attack began just as classes were about to start. We've got multiple victims here we need ambulances here as soon as possible Students scattered as the attacker moved between classrooms and into the hallway Police say he used two knives Mia Meixner saw him attack another boy What did you think was happening when you saw them on the ground? I thought they were I thought they were fighting at first and i didn't think much of it at the time until I saw blood and then I knew something was really wrong. Some victims described a sensation of being punched, not realizing they were stabbed classmates use paper towels to apply pressure to wounds until help arrived Dr Mark Rubino They seemed to actually almost have a pattern most of them are to their right lower abdomen in the right flank

2:32:44 and that created some of the criticality of their wounds. A wounded student pulled a fire alarm to get people out at the building, The rampage ended when a campus police officer and vice principal tackled the suspect I didn't really know him personally that well i think he just kept himself more quiet Just didn't really care about what other people did the teenager had a relatively low profile online Scott at this hour investigators Tell us they are busy analyzing his computers. They also tell us that the knives he was using were as long as 10 inches As long as ten inches, you know that doesn't fit the storyline well No But it's 21 tabby 21 kids wounded and I understand it's not comparable but it still kids in school

2:33:29 being stabbed. Yes, you can't put the gun thing up to just no no no this cannot be talked about but you gotta lose you gotta lose all that just credibility is just shot with everything and everybody it's sad so sad I didn't even know that story next one um that's my point You know, I know because they don't play it. This is not just to be discussed No China is reportedly taking steps now to pay for oil in one instead of US dollars Oh Yeah exactly this is according to Reuters that Is a very very poorly thought-out idea and they're one of the biggest buyers of oil yeah So we can't have this can we no notice? Not allowed what do we typically do oh

2:34:22 We either shoot somebody or take over the place. We can't do that, so I think it's too difficult. Although you never know. You have riots, that's always good. Or sink their economy? That's one thing we try to do. Well typically we kill people. Gaddafi...we killed him. Yeah mostly kill them yeah but we can't go killing the Chinese up there on the ladder Why Well, there's an assassination attempt on the guy who just took over. I mean here is the way you would play it if you were going to do a game You have... The guy gets killed by a Chinese dissident Of course With Novichoks! Well, I don't think that's gonna work again Why not? We could blame it on Russia

2:35:11 I don't think we want to blame it on Russia. We want to blame it on a Chinese dissident, because the Chinese dissident is irked about the guy taking perpetual power. He's become the emperor. Yes yes yes yes yes this is good. The Russians...it doesn't make any sense that the Russians would do this but it makes sense that a Chinese dissident That would do it because he is irked about this guy taking extreme, you know Taking to becoming an emperor by eliminating elections in the future right and boom. It's all solved And then meanwhile a little messaging could maybe make them stop this idea well eyes on it for sure Yeah, not good I got a pothole clip for you

2:35:54 Oh, potholes. Yes yes a pothole clip you're always upset about the potholes you don't necessarily have to tell her I can't tell ya how many i'm gonna start making movies of the potholes well see thing is you gotta get into the news And there's a kid in Michigan, dude. A kid? Dude! He came up with the novel idea to get on the news and bring attention to horrible potholes. A college student in Michigan made an interesting use of a pothole To draw attention to this pothole near his house he filled it with cereal He poured in some milk No...and had breakfast No...He did yes The pothole as cereal bowl

2:36:31 The kids Twitter video here getting viral with thousands of views he said if he was blindfolded though the taste was the same bowl pothole He couldn't tell the difference I think you could have done that It is really apparently a pothole central. Oh, really it's the nexus of potholes Doesn't surprise me in her breathes note From Sir Pent. Adam, ITM just a piece of vernacular that I've noticed my millennial friends using recently that is above and beyond the contractions you've been taunting John with on the show Have i been taunting you with these? No! Pretty and very have been contracted all the way to P and V as in That's v cool or I'm feeling p good

2:37:30 To emphasize things, they just say the actual letter louder. V sweet my dude! What is strange about this I've noticed it more in talking than in text It does come up in text though less frequently Interesting...I think we should use that No no That's v interesting You can use it Okay Dig yourself into a deeper hole Okay I have a clip that was kind of- I think its foreboding that nobody really noticed This is from the business nightly business news And I've always said, you know, I think at some point Trump is going to get a little fed up with the Washington Post. Yes that point has appeared, I believe. Yes, I have made that point a lot

2:38:15 And tell me if you can kind of pick up something in this little clip about Amazon and how they gloss over a very, a little tidbit which seems to me to be shot over the bow. Trillion dollars in value and so now some are questioning whether tech's dominant position in the market is over. Bapasani explains The market's tone has shifted. Just two weeks ago it was all about tariffs and trade wars, now there is new uncertainty around technology and what effect that might have on earnings. Facebook's data scandal has thrown social media into an existential crisis. Then you've got NVIDIA's driverless car issues in Tesla's credit downgrade Apple is getting hit after Goldman cut iPhone sales estimates this year And now there is word that President Donald Trump might go after Amazon tax treatment Here's the problem

2:39:06 Technology has gotten way too big for its britches. Tax, tax... Pass that right over just go right over there the tax problem Trump is hinted Yep It's gonna do something about Amazon's tax status Let me just look into it Well can you lift the veil a tad? No as I have no idea what they're gonna be up to I just know that at some point Trump's gonna get fed up with The Washington Post which is just a great Wait and he's going to use the IRS to retaliate seriously Yeah, that's never been done before right? Yeah. That's why I'd be pretty pissed if he did that. He just done it Democrats do I know I was I know I know I know I was pissed about that too. I'm just saying yes Nixon did they all do it don't there's a lie that they don't do this and the Amazon of course is Jeff Bezos and Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post and this is the way to do it no one go bother with The Washington Post right you bothered with Amazon

2:40:07 Take billions of dollars of net worth away from why are they the world's richest guy? Yeah, why are they just glossing over that now they're not in the news business. They just They just said it as though they're reading from a prompt and don't even care to comment on it I mean, I'm the only one who seems to notice this Yeah, CNBC was on that. They were on all of this the same story about tech stocks Oh it's over but the solution is to buy That's CNBC It's over but buy now! Buy the dips! Hey, Bojo spoke out about the poisoning. Bojo being Boris Johnson in Gitmo Nation East He is the foreign minister. Detectives investigating the attempted murders of ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter are now focusing on his Salisbury home after high concentrations of a nerve agent were found on his front door Meanwhile at London banquet Britain's Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson poured scorn over Russian denials of involvement

2:41:10 First they told us that Novichok never existed, then they told us that it did exist but they had destroyed the stocks and then they said that the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal was revenge for Britain's supposed poisoning of Ivan the Terrible. Well we did it to spoil the World Cup in fact the Foreign Office has so far counted 24 such ludicrous Fibs. Striepel and his daughter Julia remain in a critical condition in hospital, they're under heavy sedation and are unable to communicate. Oh yeah maybe stop sedating them so that they can answer some questions. I don't know. Of course somebody pointed out that near this town Salisbury is where they were within five miles is where the British... Yeah 12 kilometers I think. 12 kilometers the British have their... Porton Downs

2:42:08 Yeah, the gas they could make this gas there. Yeah, that's right nearby It's kind of what they do up there and so they could make this Nova Chuck or whatever it is And poison somebody and it looks like the Russians did it and frame the Russians and use their own guests That's why they won't give samples to the Russians exactly I did get a note from our OPCW producer who works at OPCW which is the organization for the What is it? What's the P stand for? Oh, just say pee these days. The organization pee chemical weapons Dear Adam and John I take my job seriously so when we get a gag order about what

2:42:51 Good note. Yes, I take my job seriously so when we get a gag order about the OPCW mission in London I abide by that rule which means he got a gag order What I can say though is that what we eventually will know is not what the public might get to know It's up to the British government kind of like we've gone back to 2003 with WMD. I hope not well Thank you Yeah So now there were these guys have been told this shut-up mm-hmm Yes, shut up bigly. And we also got a note which I put in the show notes... Which I don't know if that doesn't make anybody suspicious of what's going on here? I don't know what does. Yeah and i think he already went out on it. By the way, in my opinion this is just to throw more bullcrap at the Brexit vote

2:43:38 Yeah, oh yeah. The Russians the Russians because look how well it worked with the Americans they're still talking about this stuff and it's like they blame the Russians for everything so let's start doing the same thing and then maybe we'd have a redo on that Brexit vote right because now we know cuz all the people dying as you pointed out and you know the kids don't care they don't care about Great Britain English Empire British Empire no they just want to go take free vacations through to the channel. It's bad. Yes, we also got a note from one of our producers Bill it's kind of long so I want you to read it in the show notes but he explains exactly what their critical weaknesses are with our

2:44:24 with our grids and how the systems work. And to make a long story short, the type of security they have which involves scrambling packets but all these facilities scramble the packets the same way which means there's a single source of the decoding algorithm He says, and that's he said single point of failure. Yes a problem yeah and he says that he scrambles his packets differently And when they did a test they could hack bring everybody down within 10 seconds But they couldn't do it to his network because they couldn't figure out what he had done like well doesn't make sense to adjust your entire Strategy if this is what our producer bill is figuring out seems so yeah

2:45:15 Well, they want to have one giant grid a smart grid so they so anyone can break it down and then blame somebody else That's the only thing I make sense. And finally from the mail bin producer Dan says just took a flight tonight as I do every two weeks on the San Jose to San Francisco route at least for small dogs I witnessed one in pre-check get the walk through the metal detector treatment with its owner So apparently all of terrorists has to do is get pre check and you're in for the implanted pooch Another security failure of the... Waiting to happen. Yes, of the police states... Of the dynamite in a butt theory One of these days it's gonna happen and we're gonna be gobsmacked You like using that word? Second time I used it today, I know And you used it on the last show It's a good word No no no, it's British. It's a Britishism and I reject such things I'm sorry

2:46:16 Well, just give us a happy clip to get us out of here or something okay or something fun I have I have a clip. This is not a short clip, though, but it's educational. OK? This is a guy who came on and testified about climate change in 2006 because this was the moment in time where they were trying to mess with the middle age warming phenomenon that took place because of the sun or whatever, because there was no CO2 at the time and he talks about some of the way the calculations are done, it's before Congress. And nobody of course paid any attention to anything you had to say but I found that thing very educational. I think we can go out with a long educational clip. I am a geologist and geophysicist. I have a bachelor's degree in geology from Indiana University and a PhD in geophysics from the University of Utah. My field of specialization in geophysics is temperature and heat flow

2:47:14 In recent years, I have turned my studies to the history and philosophy of science. In 1995, I published a short paper in the academic journal Science. In that study, I reviewed how borehole temperature data recorded a warming of about one degree Celsius in North America over the last 100-150 years. The week the article appeared, I was contacted by a reporter for National Public Radio He offered to interview me, but only if I would state that the warming was due to human activity. When I refused to do so he hung up on me. I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said quote we have to get rid of the medieval warm period

2:48:08 The medieval warm period was a time of unusually warm weather that began around 1000 AD and persisted until the cold period known as the Little Ice Age took hold in the 14th century. Warmer climate brought a remarkable flowering of prosperity, knowledge and art to Europe during the High Middle Ages The existence of the medieval warm period had been recognized in the scientific literature for decades, but now it was a major embarrassment to those maintaining that 20th century warming was truly anomalous. It had to be gotten rid off." In 1769 John

2:48:51 Joseph Priestley warned that scientists overly attached to a favored hypothesis would not hesitate to warp the whole course of nature. In 1999, Michael Mann and his colleagues published a reconstruction of past temperature in which the medieval warm period simply vanished. This unique estimate became known as the hockey stick because of the shape of the temperature graph Normally in science, when you have a novel result that appears to overturn previous work you have to demonstrate why the earlier work was wrong. But the work of Mann and his colleagues was initially accepted uncritically even though it contradicted the results of more than 100 previous studies. Other researchers have since reaffirmed that medieval warm period was both warm and global in its extent

2:49:43 There is an overwhelming bias today in the media regarding the issue of global warming. In the past two years, this bias has bloomed into an irrational hysteria. Every natural disaster that occurs is now linked with global warming no matter how tenuous or impossible the connection. As a result, the public has become vastly misinformed on this and other environmental issues Earth's climate system is complex and poorly understood. But we do know that throughout human history, warmer temperatures have been associated with more stable climates and increased human health and prosperity. Colder temperatures have been correlated with climatic instability, famine, and increased human mortality.

2:50:29 The amount of climatic warming that has taken place in the past 150 years is poorly constrained and its cause, human or natural, is unknown. There's no sound scientific basis for predicting future climate change with any degree of certainty." And how long has he been dead? I don't know it's a good question but that's 2006 and that's kind That's really interesting. And this was, what was his name again? I don't have his name he is a professor at one of the colleges. I had his name that lost all its... Oh that would be kind of important to have! I'll get his name it's not that hard to find you can dig him up and where was this testimony held? This is before I think the Senate Committee on Climate or something like that in 2006. Oh my goodness. And that's it?! It's like 12 years ago. That's your history lesson

2:51:19 Then we have a jingle for it. The science is in! Science! Adam Curry Oops, sorry. Woo! A little enthusiastic to do another show. Enthusiasm is everything. All right everybody That was good I like that one of the few shows where that can be done you can just listen to something We didn't even interrupt No nothing to say again nothing to say Uh, Danny Luce thank you. Um, we see Intrepid Demise thank you and who else do we have? We got a couple of end-of-show clips will be playing for you and that means it's the end of this broadcast but we'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda please remember us at Dvorak dot org slash NA Here to guard your reality it's quite apparent from today show no one else is

2:52:11 And coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas capital of the drone star state FEMA region number six in the five by nine Cluedio in the common law condo. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley I'm John C Dvorak we return on Sunday right here no agenda until then as always adios mofos hey give me a cap Taxi! Turn around, drop him. You told Donald Trump to turn around and take off his pants? Yes And did he? Yes So he turned around and pulled his pants down a little He had underwear on and stuff I just gave him a couple swats

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