28:39 I don't know. So that was thrown, just throwing in casual generalities isn't really adding to the conversation? No but that's there you go and that's what you get. That's what you get then we had here we go our good friend long time supporter of The NO Agenda Show by the way while looking at the Wiki page on Smart Guns there are crap loads of projects underway as we speak Smart gun projects? Yeah. Well, Ike Gun Technology, SafeGun Technology, Kayakofer, I guess out of Deutschland, New Jersey Institute of Technology, TriggerSmart, Aromatics...I could go on and on and on! And they all have different little technologies. MetalStorm, Smart Tech Challenges for MagnaTriggr
29:31 It's developed by John Davis in 1975 for the K through N frame size Smith & Wesson revolvers. Prevents the trigger from returning far enough to fire, it is proven reliable. Anyway, mag lock. Well I think what will happen is these outfits will get government funding. Money! Funding yeah, government funding. Chris Jacob who you and I have both worked with Chris on and off Man, what is it? 20 years now. Yeah about 20 years. KJ I didn't know that he was the vice president of the firearms dealer association in America. Good for him! So he stands up and first thing i notice no night ring then you know he's got the mic on oh man then he sent me a message He said The Secret Service had an issue with it
30:28 and asked him to not wear it. The Secret Service had an issue with our night ring? Well, whatever... Chris was wearing it apparently in the Secret Service. This is only a text message I got. I don't know Did he slip no agenda into the conversation which was part two of his promise No And I understand when you listen to the bit He's very good speaker and he was very eloquent He made a good point Well, let's listen to it. But there was no in the morning or anything like that." You know when you're standing face-to-face with the president and the president is mockingly smiling at you?
31:10 I want to bring in somebody who actually knows a lot about selling guns. I want you to meet Chris Jacob, he's vice president of the American Firearms Retailers Association and he is the owner of The Bullseye Indoor Shooting Range & Gun Store in San Rafael California. Chris it's great to have you here. First off... Say what? SAN RAFAEL! How is business under President Obama because everything I read says gun sales have been going up every time he talks about guns, gun sales go up It's been busy. And certainly I think that shows, as Taya said earlier that there is a very serious concern in this country about personal security and the sheriff is right they do everything they possibly can to make sure they get there as quickly as they possibly can. My question actually focuses around law enforcement as well There are 53 thousand licensed gun dealers in the United States who
32:04 stand behind the counter and say no to people all day. We feel it's our responsibility to make sure that people who have a criminal past, people who are mentally ill or having a bad day don't get possession of firearms." I hadn't really considered that It's probably true that if you come in and you're looking all like, I hate my wife. Can I have a gun? I hate my wife! I'm pretty sure these guys say no not today buddy. I don't think... Go to the other shop. So we assist law enforcement all the time in the process of making sure that those things don't change hands inside our commercial market. Yeah, I'm fairly certain this is true
32:52 I'm sure it's obviously true because it makes nothing but sense. But, I am also imagining as Obama is sitting there listening to this he's thinking to himself. He's saying, yeah self-self. I wonder what a gun shop is like? Maybe we should go into one someday. Check it out and see what goes on! Do a little study. Drive in past that big place called Cabela's. If i went in there no one would notice so I could see what this looks like. And maybe...I don't have a clue and he probably doesn't. I doubt if he has ever seen it you know you go to one of these shops especially a big operation like Bass Lane or Cabela's are these big places Bass shops, I guess. Or whatever they're called. Bait shops?
33:34 No, it's a big giant thing with a huge fish in front and it's the size of like a bowling alley filled with all kinds Of sporting goods. Oh well I know Cabela's Cabela's I know Cabela's is big so you know Cabela's It's the same thing yeah alright So you go in there and Cabela's has got like I don't know oh Rose Guns in there they're all lined up And he look at him when you go this too many guns that can make it I couldn't buy one of these guns are Too many of them choose from we're an agreement that when you Show up there is a human element to this that the gun dealers are responsible for like buddy not for you today It's kind of like him like a bar owner in a way no more dance for you exactly the same Not even like away those things don't change hands inside our commercial market or if they shouldn't
34:19 It's a very serious responsibility for us and as group we take it very seriously. My question is around the executive order related to the investigators, the inspectors, the adding of 200 inspectors who are more on the auditing and record keeping side Why not add 200 ATF agents on the law enforcement side to keep the criminals and bad guys out of the stores in the first place? I mean, the problem seems to me to be you mentioned dealers who are less responsible than others and certainly it's possible that those folks are out there. I love Chris, Chris could sell sand to Arabs i'm telling you yeah it's possible those folks exist but if we can enforce the laws that already exists the tens of thousands of gun laws that are on the books right now it might create a very significant deterrent
35:16 That's getting those people in let me also point out the number of ATF agents during your administration has actually declined so even if you hired 200 because of my budget, but not because of my budget Republicans I think Huh say what bullshit bullshit. Yeah bullshit is his fault that they declined shots at that level Not cuz of my to budge it he said not my budget Is that because of sequestration? Is that his point, which was also his idea. So I think it's just that they move money around for one thing let's look at the one thing again Anderson Cooper is not going to do what he should do. The budget has never gone down
35:56 It's always going up. And so when you talk about budget cuts, we say it again this talk about cutting increases in the budget point what Pooper said happened to get lose all these eight right if the budget has never gone down and you are correct sir laws that are just alive by the way that's a lie is the tens of thousands of gun laws that are on the books right now it might create a very significant deterrent that's getting those people in the schools. Let me also point out, the number of ATF agents during your administration has actually declined so even if you hired 200 more... Yes not because of my budget Well he is telling the truth John! They declined not because of his budget
36:34 That's true. Right, because they fired him you're right! It was a very slippery thing to get there This guy is great man! That was really a great catch because yeah not because of his budget but that has got nothing to do with what he is saying He just distracted the dumb Anderson Cooper Okay But even if you hire 200 more it will get it to what it was right before it took office Absolutely Well look first of all There are whole bunch of responsible gun dealers out there A whole bunch? What does a bunch mean That's a horrible thing to say. Yeah, most of you guys are shit!
37:29 What has grown into a massive loophole where a huge percentage of guns, many of whom end up being traced to crime are not going through the responsible gun dealers but are going through irresponsible folks who are not registered as doing business. And the whole goal here is to clarify and put on notice that if you're in business even if you don't have bricks and mortar then you're supposed to register and you're supposed to conduct background checks. So the issue is not where are you doing it, it's what you're doing. And that should not be something that threatens responsible gun dealers across the country
38:12 He still doesn't seem to understand that online sales, no brick and mortar. That's what he is referring to websites that sell guns cannot ship you a gun directly it goes to a federally licensed firearm dealer and then you pick it up there and that where the background check is done they check if see if your not having a bad day And thats when you receive your gun with the bunch of responsible firearms dealers Not everyone just a bunch In terms of the ATF, it is absolutely true that the ATF budget has been shrunk because... It's a little late. You know what I meant. So Chris didn't get any in the morning and he didn't get to talk after that but Father Michael Flager