Bend it Down

00:00 And I've had people write in saying, ah, that guy's full of crap. Protecting citizens not voted off the island this week from the crackpot condo in the capital of FEMA Region 6, Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where it's raining, I'm John C. DeVore. It's raining. It is and it's snowing in New York. That's where I'm going tomorrow And I had the rain stick working and working his mojo. It was good work good work, and that's why we have snow in New York, too Thanks, good

00:45 Could be. So I'm thinking I should do a meetup when I'm in New York. Yes, you should. Absolutely. Why not? Why would you not want to do one? Well, I hadn't really thought about it yet. So I got a couple... We have to start thinking like... Here's two things we have to do. We have to start thinking like professionals. We have to start thinking about meetups and handing out CDs. Okay. So two things I want... Two replies. One, you never go anywhere. So you're talking about me doing meetups. Yes. I had a huge meetup in Michigan. How long ago was that? That was because it was a paid gig. It was a while ago. It's all right. It's all right. Yes. So I need a venue. I need to figure out we're going to do this. Okay. And it'll probably... I think Tanya would help. Yes. Well, we have a number of nights and days. She's very helpful. Yes. We have our drone poster night. He wants to hook up with a couple of people. Nick the Rat, I'm sure. Everybody wants to hang out. It'd be fun.

01:42 Okay, so but I mean I think the hotel that because I have a free room I think it's a really good one to actually like it's a Pennsylvania hotel is that ring a bell? Yeah Is that bad It's a great hotel. You'll love it Yay, all right. We'll have the meet up there Oh man. John, I have a disturbing trend I need to report on. Okay. Yes, now that I've seen, I've had two experiences with this, I can speak of a trend. Or do you need three data points to have a trend? You could call a trend a two, but three it confirms. Okay. The first time I witnessed this zombification, it's not even a zombification, it is just proof that large swaths

02:33 of the population have become zombies. This started with the Carole King story, the musical. You'll recall, went to see the show and it's not just tapestry, you know, there's all kinds of songs that Carole King wrote and her writing partners and her friends and, you know, from up on the roof to do the locomotions. It was a toe-tapping time. Right. She was a master of toe-tappers. Except no one in the audience was toe-tapping. You told me this the first time you went to see the show and you bitched about this incessantly, and you actually bitched about it since. Well, because now we have a trend, as I went to see Rain Friday night here on Broadway in Austin.

03:17 is what this is called. This is the Beatles musical. You haven't seen this, I don't think. I wouldn't go see it. Why not? I mean, I kind of grew up with the Beatles. I think I've had my Beatles fill. Yeah, okay. That's fair enough. This was at the Bass concert hall, which I'd not been to. This is big. I had no, this is on UT's campus. And this is, yeah, I'd say this is a Broadway size stage. Well, Broadway is actually generally speaking, aren't that big? They're 1200 maybe. I'm talking just like a big venue. Yeah. I'm talking purely about the, the, the width of the stage really. Oh, the stage. Yeah. Huge stage. And I didn't know what to expect. I thought it would be a little bit more like a, um, like a slow play. Yeah. I thought,

04:10 Let's put on a show. I thought there would be a little storyline, but it isn't high school. I saw bye bye birdie done by the high school play. Yeah, it was the best version I've ever seen. Okay. So don't demean high school play. I'm not, you started it. Well, of course. And I thought there would be a storyline, but no, it's a, it's like four. That's actually five dudes. Cause they have a keyboard player and they perform the Beatles. That's the show. You're basically going your way. You're buying tickets, you're going to a Broadway venue to watch a cover band. A cover band, exactly! To see a cover band. You see that at a bar, especially in Austin, anywhere, free. Yeah. And the band doesn't even get paid in Austin if they're a cover band. They just get a piece of the door or whatever.

04:59 Or the bar, I don't know. Now, I have to say, I enjoyed it because it was just the The Beatles greatest hits and you look at the playbill book and these dudes are from Brooklyn and what I know. And they're like, hello Austin. He's get up and you want to clap Austin because everyone was a fricking zombie, John. They're all sitting there doing no one's moving. To be honest about personally, I don't like audience participation where I have to clap or I have to jump up and clap my hands over my head or any of this crap that Bono would do. Okay.

05:37 Well, I feel that if you have a band, it's about the music. This is the music of the Beatles and it was pretty much the Beatles' greatest hits. How can you not even move a little bit? Well, yeah, if it was done, well sure, you'd be tapping your toe, moving around, or maybe wanting to dance in the aisle. Yeah, I was ready for it. Spin, spinning is good. There was none of this! None of this! Austin. No, I don't think this is Austin. They don't do spinning. Listen, I believe that people don't... their brains are so trained to watch television or have something unfold in front of them that is from a so-called historical perspective or something and they don't know...

06:23 it shuts off all other brain functions. He's like, I'm watching what the Beatles used to look like on stage. Where really it's just a cover band, you know, kicking ass and you should be at least singing along a little bit, mouthing the words. Could we get some of that? I'd bring my harmonica. Hey everybody! Is there anybody in the audience with a tambourine? We can get it going here. So, um, yeah, I tell you, there was something funny that happened though. So I took Nurse Tracy, because she knows the Beatles songs. I figured I'd be there with someone who could sing along with me. And we're in Roquehue.

07:04 Which in the orchestra was a pretty good seats. It sounds reasonable. Yeah, and yeah, and I think it was maybe intermission because I had an intermission where you go get alcohol which is desperately needed because no one's moving and Then oh we need to take a selfie. Okay, so you know I got the new phone. I'll take a selfie I'm not gonna post it, but I'll take it. I'll take a selfie just pretend. Oh, yeah You've posted selfies before and I can prove it. That's right. I did not post this one however I believe I do need to post this now Okay, why? Because behind us- Paul McCartney was right behind you mugging. Close. Upon review of said selfies that were taken,

07:42 Behind us was row R, which is a broad row to facilitate the wheelchairs. And the R was right on with the description of these people. There are people who are severely developmentally delayed photobombing us in the background. It's unbelievable. Good for them. And we're all serious, taking selfies in the background. Okay, well, here's the... Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Just because we have to, we do everything we can to promote the newsletter. Oh yes, newsletter photo. Exactly. Perfect. We'll put it in the newsletter coming out on Wednesday. And this one girl, we're looking at, this girl's having a good time. You zoom in a little bit in the background like, oh, and they actually had a good time. Well, good for them.

08:39 Yes, one of the classic selfie epic fails that happen from time to time. Epic fail. That'll be good for the newsletter. Good idea. All right, well I've got a couple things I want to get out of the way. All right, let's rock and roll. First of all, the hugging. The hugging. Promising that I'm going to explain where modern hugging came from and why people hug each other so much. Yes. And where it began. And I tracked it down by doing a lot of searches for hugs and you know, whatever. Stop, stop, stop. We, I'm not quite sure, is the genesis of this the multiple air kisses in Europe and all this? No. Where is, what is the, when did we come up with this that we needed to do this? We didn't, I came up with it, I'm telling you what it's going to be. Why are Americans hugging more than ever? And they hug, and there's the bro pat, bang, bang, bang. Right. Or once, bang, you know, whatever. There's a lot of different... The bro back slam. Yeah.

09:34 And I can, you can document this yourself. Anyone can do this. And it has to do with, again, the powers of the president. This is all Bill Clinton. Really? If you, if you... Go to Google and type in hugs or hug Bill Clinton or hug Ronald Reagan or hug George Bush. You see the demarcation, you hug Jimmy Carter, the demarcation between everybody else in the past, including Reagan, who was a hug, the pictures of him hugging. Oh my God, it's like he's going to drop dead. He doesn't want to do it so much. Google actually changed my search term and said, did you mean huge Bill Clinton?

10:15 Anyway, you see lots of pictures of Clinton hugging, hugging, hugging. He's a big hugger, he's a massive hugger. And he as a president is one of the things they do is they're essentially more, I'm gonna use the word, moral imperatives. They're the ones who decide... They set the tone, they set the culture. They set the oral tone for the nation. And so if they start doing something a lot, And then they keep doing it, he did it for eight years. And then George Bush, H.W. did some hugging but very little and then the younger Bush, George Bush, reinvigorated hugging and now it's established. And of course Obama is a guy, but he's more like, he's like hip-hop hug.

10:58 Yeah, but it's a hug still and it still works and everybody hugs now. But there is a difference because with Obama it's like you clasp hands in what we used to call the soul brother handshake and then you bring each other close like yo bro boom. And then you back off. It's like one. Yeah, but that's not going anywhere. It's a real hug. It's like the fist bump. Oh yeah, I'll alert Jay-Z that this is going nowhere. It's going nowhere. It's already done. We got the hugs. Everyone hugs. Everyone likes to hug. They hug, especially in California. They hug all the time. And people still moan about it. But they moan about it only because it's recent, because it was Clinton. Hold on. Who's moaning about it? People moan about, oh, I can't hug. There's sitcoms about it. I don't. Well, all right. Sorry. I didn't. I bring it up. Oh, I'm not a hugger. And then everyone tries to ambush the guy so he has to hug.

11:48 Let me say weak, weak plot. But we had... And how about the bump fist and into explosion? Yeah. Yeah. I hate that one. Anyway, so Clinton, you can really see it when you start doing some searches and Clinton brought it in. And I became becoming or I'm getting to the point where I think Clinton was is going to go down in history as one of the most influential presidents because the change, the way people greet with hugs is a major differential from the past and he's the one who allowed blowjobs. Yes. Not be sex. That's correct. And it became an epidemic and everybody, there was a lot of stories about it. Hold on, is this still an epidemic now that I'm single? I just need to know if the epidemic is still on. Yeah, you'll be getting them just so casually walking down the street. It's not that bad. It's a good time to be alive.

12:40 Clinton has done a lot of stuff like this. And so it's the hugs come from Clinton and anyone can make up whatever story they want. But if you do some research, you'll see that they didn't exist the way they do today until Clinton came around. And the rest is history. Nice. Now, the other one, which I said would be a revelation, I teased in the newsletter. It comes from a letter. And what is the other one? The other revelation. Something you're gonna go, oh, we should, blah. Do you need some tension music or something to get this going, to make this feel right? No, but you can give me one of those, that little hit that you have. Something like that? That'll work, yeah?

13:27 Now, I don't know how we kind of missed this, because we actually didn't miss it. It's in the book and all the rest, but Jim Bentley comes in with a letter and he says, quick reminder, he says, you said that the Disney measles story would be the start of a network war between ABC, NBC, CBS. With that perspective, I think Brian Williams' scandal might be related. Yeah, I would agree. All right, here's John C. Dvorak to bring it home. The Williams scandal started with the newspaper Stars and Stripes, he says. Yes, this is correct. Stars and Stripes is run from the Defense Department. If Adam is right that ABC is closest to the administration, then it's plausible that ABC News or the ABC executive or an ABC executive, we know who that would be, could push the hit piece through the DOD.

14:22 And then it just caught fire. I have a... Before you go there, I want to mention that if you look at the Daily Mail, who I have not traced why they're so into this, but they are blasting... It's Murdoch! Murdoch! It's Murdoch! The Daily Mail's not owned by Murdoch. I thought it was. Is the Mail not owned by... Really? By the M and some trading group at some other operation. Okay, I'm sorry. Well, because the New York Post is owned by Murdoch, correct? Yes. Now, the new things they've brought, that have come to light, I think they've really gotten him pulled off the air, which he is now. Yeah, well, he pulled himself off. Yeah, right. And I'd like to say, before you go any further, John, it's important

15:07 that we deconstruct this particular story. People go, what is this? Not that anyone said that, but I know people go, why do we care about this real news? No, actually, this is what's happening here with Brian Williams and the lying and the complete fabrication of facts is of course what goes on in mainstream news. You are now looking at, Brian Williams is the taint of the mainstream news industry. And if we don't deconstruct this now, You won't be able to recognize future taint. So this is very important to deconstruct. This goes back with Williams apparently. During Katrina he was lying about all sorts of things, along with Richard Engel who was there for some reason.

15:51 And he also made the statement they saw somebody fall off the roof of the dome in New Orleans and then he changed that story that he'd heard that somebody fell off the roof. Then he said he saw a floating body and then apparently... And he got sick dysentery from drinking the water. And he got dysentery from drinking the water, which everyone says is bogus. And he also made the claim in some other venue that he had saved a puppy from a burning building. Now, okay, stop. I have... I gotta say another thing. I believe... Major hit piece. I believe that the reason why this resonates so well with people, what is going on with Brian Williams, is because every single person has done this type of embellishment and to the extent they don't even know they are embellishing anymore. I think that is human behavior.

16:46 I don't embellish. You don't think that you have ever told a story that got better over time? I have probably lost track of a story the way Williams claims, but I wouldn't... No, I understand. With an RPG and then I had to escape from my life. I haven't told a story like that. No, I understand that. I'm just saying that it... I saved a puppy. I haven't saved any puppy from a burning building. It's a personality disorder actually what he has. It's narcissistic personality disorder. Yes. Hello? Oh, you think he's narcissistic that guy? I think let me play the, this is a good wrap up. NBC anchor of narcissistic. How could that be? I wanted to, I have a, it's a good little piece here because once, once I saw this, once I saw Fox,

17:38 Was it Fox Sunday Show or whatever? Jump on this. I knew, oh, this guy is so toast. This is Howard Kurtz. And by the way, I want to mention that I said he was toast. Yeah, you were right. You predicted it correctly. He may never return. He might not here's a here's the high end Howard Kurtz. How bad is this for Brian Williams and nightly news Howard Martha? It's very hard to fathom how an anchor of Brian Williams's stature and experience could tell this false story And it's created a credibility crisis for NBC News He was right to apologize after some army veterans told the Stars and Stripes newspaper that he was not on the chopper that was hit

18:20 And the difficult thing here is when he is blaming the fog of memory and conflating two events. If you're on a helicopter that gets hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and is forced to land, I would think you would never forget that. Yeah, no, we understand that you're all have such a glee over what is happening to Brian. And by the way, Brian Williams, you look at the guy, everyone knows he's not a, you know, like a real hard hitting news journalist guy. Everybody knows he was doing plastic surgery, human interest pieces of New Jersey, at least in the Tri-State. He's a news reader. Isn't exactly a handsome one. Well, with a crooked nose. Here is the best version of the lie. I like this one a lot.

19:02 This is Brian Williams. Do you remember when Alec Baldwin had a show, like a radio show in New York? He had a show on MSNBC. This is his radio show that he had and that begat him the MSNBC show. I think it was a PBS show. And he had Brian Williams on. And listen to these two guys. And it's kind of, well on the one hand it's kind of sad, but really this is how these guys think. This is who they are. They believe in themselves. They believe, Alec Baldwin is just as bad. This, here we go, definition, listen to, narcissistic personality disorder in action. We now go to the wild. Pinch me. One of the ways we succeeded was we just jumped out of the plane and we pulled the ripcord and we just took it one step at a time and we turned around and we're next to you now.

19:49 We're skating. Yeah, there's the I got this syndrome. I guess I do say to myself and others. Yes, I can. I've got this. And I don't know where that unbridled confidence came from. And I've done some ridiculously stupid things under that banner like being in a helicopter. I had no business being in in Iraq with Rounds coming into the airframe. This is even better now rounds coming in. Wow! He's still eating the- I didn't- This is a great kit. Rounds coming into the airframe. But I- Rounds! Rounds! I also- Did you think you would die? Uh, briefly. I thought I would die! There have been...

20:28 Probably man. Yeah, but yeah, and tell yourself that's the job. Yeah, oh absolutely These millions of terrific Americans to go fight Brian Williams look at my testicles Google me It's crazy these people. Wow. I mean, you can get clip of the day if you want it for that. No, if you're not, if you don't really feel like it's a, no, I mean, I do, but it's so early in the show. It's like the first clip. I'm sorry. I will have to take it.

21:12 You must know there's nothing else coming. So people, you can now detune the show. You can just know that use detune. In fact, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna stop the recording. We're good to go. That was it. Done. We're done. Wow. But these people, these guys really believe they're doing this. And it's... They're so full of themselves. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Pull the ripcord. Whenever we need to. We're just crazy like that. We have no, no fear. We, I, Brian Williams, Newsman of the Hour. Everyone wants to be Dan Rather. Dan Rather actually, you know,

21:51 Went in there, went to Vietnam, he's going with his helmet and... Oh, Dan Rathers has some, you can tell me where his reports came from. And he's never bragging about any of this. He just does his thing, he's really good too. I mean, he's always been, he's slanted, he's a left-wing kind of... Slant. Sure, everything. Sure. But he, which is fine. I don't care. But he is very good at asking the right questions at the right time when, so he doesn't get punched out. Because I think he's been punched out a few times. Right. Seriously. Yeah, he should be. It's an art. Yeah. Well, didn't he get, when he asked, was it Reagan? Who did he ask at one of the conventions and he asked something, it was a famous question and then someone punched him or

22:37 I have to look it up. Badass. Texan, I might point out. All right. Well, anyway, so that's...I thought we would get that out of the way, get the Brian Williams stuff and get back to the more reasonable stories about things like arming the Ukraine. Yeah. Joe Biden is representing us, us being the United States of Gitmo Nation at the Munich Security Conference. This is the big one, where it's a trade show, it's a fair really. Everyone's got all kinds of cool stuff that they're, you know, wares they're selling and you can put in your orders and everybody seemed to be there. Of course, Joe was representing us, Engel is there, we have the Russian contingent and well, Joe laid it down once again. And Russian President Vladimir Putin's stance were constant in the debates.

23:36 We will continue to provide Ukraine with security assistance, not to encourage war, but to allow Ukraine to defend itself. Let me be clear. We do not believe there is a military solution in Ukraine. But President Putin has to make a simple, stark choice. Get out of Ukraine or face continued isolation and growing economic costs at home. No, Joe, not mincing words. Well, this is, um... And there's a split, by the way. There is a rift. Yes, the rift is really between us and... Let's be specific. The rift is between John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the rest of the world. And somehow, idiots like Kerry are on board, kind of, but they're kind of wishy-washy about it. The best reporting on this, I think, because it's been

24:36 kind of funny and cynical has been on RT. But I don't have a lot, I have some RT stuff but I got most of my stuff from... I have a little bit here where we are brought, what is brought to our attention, this is from Euronews actually, that the Rift is really, Angela Merkel is splitting away From this coalition. Yeah, she feels that did it. Yeah, she doesn't she says outright that Well, let's listen to the report and we can get the details. Yes, Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko This is the president. This is the chocolate guy questions from the floor He ruled out accepting any change to territorial lines enshrined in the Minsk agreement We need to have election political dialogue closing the border with all the foreign troops immediately release of the hostages and all

25:27 and all other things which is a very significant and important component of the peace plan. I love the hostages. It's a good way to say hostages. Hostages. What I would like to see, what I find interesting is, this is one of those, and it bothers us to no end, another one of those statements of fact that actual Russian troops are in Ukraine, yet I have yet to see any evidence of this. They never caught one. They keep saying, Russian, there are Russian troops. And Russian tanks, there are tons of Russian tanks. But again, there's not even a photo of one away from the conference. You have a photo, that B-roll photo of a Russian tank roaming around outside of Moscow. It's French President Francois Hollande. Now, this is interesting.

26:12 See where this guy is on, because he's selling, he wants to sell stuff. He's got his Mistral boats, he's got stuff to sell. If in the conference French President François Hollande, who had discussed a peace plan with Vladimir Putin on Friday, said in a visit to Toul the stakes could not be higher. If we don't manage to find, not a compromise, but a lasting peace accord, well, we are perfectly aware of the scenario. It has a name, and that is war. But the tempo of diplomacy with Moscow has not dipped. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande, Petro Poroshenko and Vladimir Putin are all scheduled to resume talks by phone on Sunday. I would presume that this kind of conference is really a sales job. And why would you sell Joe there? Why would Joe go to sell stuff? I mean, Hollande comes in himself to sell. Joe's the setup guy.

27:03 Obama's actually the closer. Right, but he's not there and everyone else is there. He's not going to close. You don't send a closer to open a sale. True. Alright, good point. Let's have a couple, here's this arming, play this clip. This is arming Ukraine. Signature American Humvees along with radars that can detect enemy artillery and rocket fire as well. And calls from Kiev and Washington to start shipping while they're growing louder. Among those options, obviously, is the possibility of providing defensive assistance to Ukraine. I don't have the slightest doubt about the weapons supply to Ukraine from the United States and our other partners. So we will continue to provide Ukraine with security assistance.

27:53 Frankly speaking, we would be happy to get more, including defensive weapon, lethal weapon and so on and so forth. However, European politicians are not so keen to provide weapons to Ukraine. The UK is not going to help Kiev with lethal military assistance. France is planning to do the same. Sending weapons to one side of the conflict doesn't seem a very consistent step. This is a reaction from Brussels. The German defense minister says there are already too many weapons in Ukraine. She's supported by her Italian colleague. And German Chancellor firmly declares that Berlin will not support Ukraine with weapons. However, the US is blaming Angela Merkel for a wrong decision.

28:40 Here's the problem I have with the Chancellor's position. She can't see how arming people who are willing to fight and die for their freedom makes things better. And to now turn back on this struggling democracy, and that's exactly what you're doing, in my view, when you turn down a reasonable request to help defend oneself, is not our finest hour. Okay, so that's Lindsey Graham. That's Lindsey Graham. Oh, yeah that guy's such a pain in the ass. And by the way, they did a cutaway to a group of people sitting in the front row with McCain in the middle with this horrible looking Batman-esque grimace. And he's thinking it was the Joker. You mean like the Joker, not Batman. Joker, yeah. But I meant Batman-esque in terms of the movie. Right. And he was just sitting there with his grimace, his smile grimace, and you could

29:34 hear him thinking, that's my boy. Oh, man. In the Netherlands now, the conversation has arisen in parliament to reinstate the draft because of Russia's aggressive stance. This is crazy, man. They're making people nuts. The Netherlands, they stopped the draft after David Hasselhoff brought the Berlin Wall down. There's, by the way, there's a guy who has this narcissistic problem. How come David Hasselhoff hasn't spoken up on the issue? I think that he was there during the, was it the anniversary of the wall coming down? Yeah, so they're making people completely insane with all of this stuff. And this whole pushing towards war is, well, we saw this coming. Well, I have a series of clips from a guy who is,

30:33 If you put him in the room with Cohen, our buddy Cohen, the professor, this guy's almost as good. We got some notes from one of our producers telling us that he went to see Cohen in person. Did you read this? Yeah, and our producer said he was like a total liberal Obama bot and a little different than... Yeah, but he was even more extreme in his views. Yes. Let me see if I have it here somewhere. It's actually a pretty good note. Yeah, it was a good note and I thought of putting... and by the way, if you check your email real quick, I sent you the selfie. Oh. I just want to hear your reaction. Yeah, went to... here it is. This is from our producer. Who is this? Well, he goes... he's anonymous, our producer. Yeah, this was in Connecticut and he says he arrived late. Yeah. Funny. Do you like it? Yeah.

31:35 There's no audio or anything of that of that Session that our producer was out unfortunately no I should bring a recorder people. Yeah, you really should so this guy's name is mere Shimer, and he is a professor at the University of Chicago, and he got into a debate with this character, Stephen Fife, who was a former Ukrainian...or Ukraine...former ambassador from the United States to Ukraine out of Stanford. But in my research, I realized that Stanford provides a lot of foreign service people at a very high level, while Cal across the Bay provides a bunch of feet on the ground, stooges and spooks. It's kind of interesting. Well, anyway, this guy's from Stanford too. But you can hear a little bit of what the thinking is here. And this is Mearsheimer versus the Ambassador One.

32:29 a say or should have a say in how it's going to develop as a country. Professor Mersh, assuming that you disagree with a lot of that, which I'm assuming you do, I do want to look forward to what the other solution is. Is it diplomacy? Is it standing in place? Just before I answer that question, Gwen, let me just say, I don't think that Putin and the Russians more generally are responsible for this crisis. I think the West is, especially the United States, and it's NATO expansion that's the taproot of this problem. Get him off! We have been pushing NATO and the EU eastward and trying to

33:05 pull Ukraine out of Russia's orbit and make Ukraine a bulwark of the West right on Russia's border is what has precipitated this crisis. And what we're doing is exacerbating it by arming the Ukrainians. Oh, well, this is—how did Gwen respond to all this? She was flabbergasted. Were smoke coming out of her ears and nostrils when she was listening to this farcical language? No, she was actually befuddled. That's the only way to describe it. What? What? What? Here, play, here we go on. We can clip this together as Mearsheimer 2. What would a Hollande-Merkel solution look like? Well, I think there's actually a very simple solution to this problem. Hold on a second. She said a Hollande-Merkel solution?

33:52 That's interesting. Yeah, what would it look like? That's very interesting. Somebody wrote for it. I know. Yeah, I understand somebody wrote it for, but that as a meme is interesting. Based upon the Euronews clip we heard where Hollande is saying, oh, the guerre could only be war and Merkel's like, eh. I think this is a good, interesting to see that they're being bundled as the people who can make it work or not. What would a Hollande-Merkel solution look like? Well, I think there's actually a very simple solution to this problem, and that is to turn Ukraine into a neutral buffer state. What the West has to do is explicitly take NATO and EU expansion off the table and make it clear to Moscow that the United States and its European allies have no intention of siding with a government in Kiev.

34:41 that is anti-Russian and pro-Western. What we want is a neutral government. And then we ought to work with the Russians and with the IMF and with the EU to come up with some sort of economic package that can put Ukraine back on its feet. Okay. Well, that sounds reasonable. Why don't we do that? Well, we already did that and they haven't repaid Tranche One yet. The IMF did this. We put money in there as well. We put our people in to... Oh, by the way, have you seen... So we know that the finance minister is an American who got a passport overnight. Yes. There is another woman... Auto citizenship. Yes. There is now a...

35:21 a new member of parliament and this woman's job is a promotional job. You got to look her up. Her name is Janika Merilo, the new minister for economy appointed former Estonian Janika Merilo as his advisor on foreign investments and improving the business climate in Ukraine. You have to see this woman. Wow. She's like some sadomasochistic hooker.

36:02 Yeah, yeah, she's got a bunch of pictures on there. She's cutting herself with a big knife blood She will have definitely blood letters that they're letting in there. Yeah Yeah, I'm very interested in improving your business climate and you create same person or just a yeah You know it's the same woman all those different pictures. It's fabulous markable The one where she's licking her lips and blood coming out. From the big butcher knife she has in the previous picture. And now it's great. Alright, well that's crazy. Well anyway, so they go on about this NATO thing. So this guy, the ambassador, jumps in and he's going to make it clear that this is all malarkey and that these are not what everyone thinks. And so we play clip three. Just a couple of points to what Professor Mirschheimer just said. First of all, in the creation of NATO,

36:50 There has been zero enthusiasm in NATO for the last six years to enlarge Ukraine. The Obama administration's never pursued it and the Russians know this. I mean, so I think that's simply a false argument. But he says this, so I'm thinking, wait a minute, I've been watching the whole show, this is near the end of the show, I said, wait a minute, and I reel back, they already talked about NATO and how enthusiastic they are about this. In this same exact show that I'm watching earlier, there's this clip, NATO on NewsHour. something went wrong. I'm sorry. Let me just do this. And you think Gwen would have remembered it? No, no, no. Was it her segment? She doesn't remember those things. Meanwhile in Brussels, NATO defense ministers agreed on new moves to counter Russia's aggressive actions by more

37:49 than doubling the size of a ready response force and setting up new command centers in Eastern Europe. As fighting in the East has intensified, both NATO and Ukraine... Back it up. I want to play I want you to go back before the car sound because I want to tell I want to play a car sound After this clip this car sound is some b-roll from somewhere But anyway, just back it up a little bit swing and then listen to the car sound carefully Okay, East has intensified both NATO and Ukraine chart it no move back further New command centers in Eastern Europe

38:28 As fighting in the east has intensified both NATO and Ukraine charged the Russians are supplying tanks Heavy weapons and even troops to the Ukrainian rebels. We're running the Russians deny It was all in huh, so this guy's full of crap about NATO of course that your segment on the same show Yeah, all this NATO stuff now that car sound by the way, yeah, I which was dropped in, and it's a very throaty car sound. It's a very low rumble. Yeah, I'm thinking they use that because Americans always... We respond well to rumbling low... I think, but it also sounds like an old...

39:10 European, like an old Russia. It's got some sort of a German... I don't know what it is. Oh, that's a good point. It's a psychological sound. It's not like... It's... I'm in this big lumbering Packard, you know, it's the 80s or 1930. You had to bring up the Packard, huh? It's a German staff car. Rumble yes a German staff car. Let me see if I can get a German staff car rumble before you do that on another show Don't tell me I've got this clip car noise and tell me this isn't the same car even though It's amped up a little Jonathan rugman of independent television news reports

39:49 They are on the road to Debaltseve to evacuate civilians. It was actually a tad higher in just a little bit. I have a good idea. Maybe maybe it's still on news hour. So they got these old car sounds that they're just dropping in. I'm seeing I want to see if I can find a it's actually not that easy to find a German staff car rumble sound effect. You'd think that would be something easy. Hmm. Well, apparently PBS has got the corner on that market. Let me see. This is Joseph Dietrich's Maybach staff car, but it's not running. No? Okay. Don't have it.

40:26 All right, well we'll find it and prove our point which is to be there using sound of the television There's gambling going on there sir. Is there a fourth clip for this thing? Yes, there is I have let's play that out and we'll be done when we start talking about pushing Ukraine back towards Russia We're talking stop stop stop. I got to set this one up So I'm this clip is interesting because this is the guy doing his final analysis this the ex-ambassador and he drops a couple of bombs in here that I actually I still haven't researched out to figure out what he's talking about, but this guy, I realize now, and I think the argument against Russia in all this is an internationalist argument that really goes back to all these people that want a one world government. New world order, yes sir. New world order, and Russia is getting in the way. Yes sir. When we start talking about pushing Ukraine back towards Russia,

41:20 We're talking in, you know, kind of spheres of influence. It's really kind of 19th century. And, you know, Europe was trying to move beyond that. And a fundamental point here is with the 1975 Helsinki Final Act, that was designed to say Europe will play by rules. And one of the cardinal rules was non-viability of borders and you don't use military force to take territory from other countries. That's what Russia's doing. We will see what happens with the big meeting in Moscow in the next few days. I told you, hey, that's interesting. Non-viability of borders. Do you remember Don told me there was going to be a big meeting soon? Yeah. Well, it sounds like it's happening. They're supposed to do some new conference in Helsinki. I'm waiting for that one to be announced. That should be the big one when they ruin like a four plus eight or whatever they do those things. Well, I was disturbed by this guy. Yeah, I can understand.

42:11 Non-viability of borders. Oh, this is 19th century bullshit is what we're watching here. You know, this is like from the 1850s. No, it's not. Russia has been attacked a million times and they don't like it. And they don't want...but these NATO guys keep moving toward them and non-viability of borders. Well, how's that working out for everybody? Well, something interesting came out Friday from the administration, the White House, the 2015 National Security Strategy, which I've had a chance to read through a bit. And this is TWRP's work.

42:48 But yeah, Twerp was on a lot of stuff, finally, she got out of her hole. Yeah, this is Susan Rice, who we affectionately call the Twerp. Yeah, it's because she's a Twerp. And so there's...yeah. So there's two pieces to what the president released, or what the White House released, I should say, to be factual. One is, of course, the letter from the president regarding national security strategy and So that'll show up in the register. I haven't seen that yet, but they... so they never do that. It's like, please give me the letter that you're sending to Congress or whatever. No. So here is the... this is... actually I do have a piece of this. This is the fact sheet. You know, they love doing this. Facts! Hear the facts of what we're saying. And the last paragraph of facts

43:39 is the following. We will advance an international order that promotes peace, security and opportunity through stronger cooperation to meet global challenges by, one, working with partners to reinforce and update the rules of the road, norms and institutions that are foundational to peace, prosperity and human dignity in the 21st century. Why are they using rules of the road? Well, he's using international order, might as well throw everything in. I mean, international order is just a new world order, different word. I mean, it's the same thing. And then rules of the road, because there's no law.

44:17 strengthening and growing our global alliances and partnerships, forging diverse coalitions and leading at the United Nations and other multilateral organizations. What this is leading up to is one thing, a couple things, but the most important is the blanket authorization of use of military force for this president to defeat or degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL, ISIS, IS. which is the broadest, I mean we could actually take that authorization or the president could and go attack Russia because of ISIS. That's how broad that thing is. And so this is part of it. Strengthening our enduring commitment to a free and peaceful Europe by countering aggression and modernizing the NATO alliance to meet emerging threats. Well what could that be about? How much more modern is that? Well I think modern means sell more into

45:09 the NATO states. More crap to them. Pursuing a stable Middle East and North Africa by countering terrorism, preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and reducing the underlying sources of conflict. Oh man. Promoting a prosperous, secure and democratic Western Hemisphere by expanding integration and leveraging a new opening to Cuba to expand our engagement. So just going back to this This gobbledygook. I mean, this, they, the whole idea of a new world order or international order, I guess is what we're going to call it now. It's always been the same.

45:46 It's the same thing. Take over Russia. That's part of it. Yeah. Well, yes. Does anybody find it ironic that we have these idiots out there promoting themselves with concepts like non-viability of borders, meanwhile actual operations such as ISIS or Boko Haram are already implementing non-viable borders? Yeah. Well, isn't that... That's where it leads, just a bunch of maniacs running around. But isn't it the same thing? It is the same thing. I think it is. Yeah, well, it's obviously part of it. It's just the scheme. But I also think it's interesting our southern porous border is pretty much non-viable. The same people that are the warmongers like McCain and Lindsey Graham are bitching about our borders. I don't know. The whole thing is just a huge script that I think is overwritten and now it's out of control.

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49:41 Well, my brother Sir Knight of Lake Lemon donated $2.14 a few episodes ago and it seems his V-Day karma found me instead. I know your karma is sometimes misdirected, but man, it missed the mark completely. So I'm donating to bestow love karma upon the go. You've got karma. All right, well I hope it works. Kilgo in Suwan, Georgia, 214, and he sent a check-in with no notices. He just said, good work to us. And I never heard of Suwan, Suwan. Cool looking name of a town.

50:21 Mark Hampton in La Porte, Texas, 214, and he did send a note in. Actually sent a note in and a complete copy of the note, both signed. I think one of them was supposed to be mailed to you. Okay. Because he said something about that in here. And it's a lying note. I'll read some of it. By the way, the concept of VD karma is not necessarily a good thing. What? The concept of VD Karma who has a VD well Jean-claude said it seems his VD. I said V day, okay? Yeah, VD. I thought is it VD car in Europe? VD. What's confused? I wish I was an intelligent and articulate resource as y'all

51:05 Anyways, LOL, I do enjoy the show very much. I also don't mind the longer hours at all. Not sure I agree or even understand all of your analysis some of the time. It does make you think about things in a different way and I do like that. I also like it when you just talk about stuff, i.e. tech, family, uh... colors color yeah it was a color discussion really brought in the audience a pretty color eki you used to do the show he likes eq i'm sorry of the the places you've traveled in the center i stopped watching news channels years ago and rush limbaugh is the only radio show is still listen to okay i listen to his name is getting right

51:52 I listened to his show since he came to Houston many years ago. Just like your show, you have to listen. You can't read what others say about the show or what is said. It will almost always be misquoted and out of context. Point taken. Adam, do you remember Kennedy from MTV and did you all work together? Yes. She actually... Yes. She has a show on the Fox Business Network. It's called The Independence, I think. I've watched it a couple of times. She damaged me. She kicked in the nuts? Yelled zen? No. To this day, she broke my ass actually. Were you ice skating with her in Rockefeller Plaza? No, this was the MTV Beach House. Kennedy was a strange girl.

52:40 Honestly, at the time I was more of a show business bot drone, not really. I'm sure she was thinking and saying some interesting things that I just did not care to pay attention to. But she was one of these, what is the word? One of these people who is different but embarrassed and does stupid shit sometimes. So here's what went down. MTV Beach House, one day I had to film segments with Kennedy. Fine, whatever. And we were on jet skis. And so I'm doing a segment and then somehow she thought it was very funny to crash her jet ski into mine while I am doing the segment.

53:22 Water-based accidents can be very, very bad. Oh yeah, they're dangerous and stupid. So she hit my jet ski so hard that I of course flipped off but landed with my butt cheek, my right butt cheek, on the side of the jet ski and it was just black and blue for months and to this day, you know, the actual muscle is damaged in that spot. Stupid bitch broke my ass. So you don't have much. Yeah. No. Did she apologize or like that? You know, one of those. Oh, you okay. So she's a, we were all younger then. So I, I hold no grudge. Yeah. I can tell by the way you told the story broke my butt. Anyway, Mark goes on with some personal stuff and then says, let's see if he has a karma request.

54:18 I may request that besides a much better chance I'll work on it. He's actually a pain in the ass. That is that's how I would call it. Pain in the ass! It took me a minute, but I'm there. In the morning was due there. I was too late. The timing was off. Okay, here we go. He wants being an old attractive fat guy. He says I was going to ask for some relationship karma, but I may request that I go to you besides a much better chance it'll work. I hope it didn't waste too much of your time. Love the shows. Love the shows! And then, anyway, give him some karma. Yeah, no problem. You've got karma. Michael Sosnin in Suwannee. Suwannee! How I love ya, how I love ya! Georgia. Wait a minute. 209- Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. We had Suwan, Georgia. Yeah. Before, and now we have Suwannee, Georgia? Yeah.

55:14 Yeah, random numbers random numbers number theory I TM six-month boner first-time donor I was punched in the mouth by a good friend and been propagating the full formula ever since Monday is my birthday hence the nine two nine seven one donation I'll take and It was worth it, please and don't shorten the show. It was worth it. It was worth it you go Michael Towan in Hayden, Idaho, 20870. Hey, ITM gentlemen, greetings from my beautiful northern Idaho. Even though I am a knight on the knight layaway plan, I figured I would donate in honor of my birthday, February 8th, and contribute to John's Mac and Cheese Fund and Adam's Liquor Fund. There you, he's got that right. A shout out to Todd and Jerry for hitting me in the mouth this past summer. You guys provide endless fodder in my attack against the Kool-Aid drinkers.

56:07 Can I get an L-sharped and resist we much? And a little girl boom shakalaka some job karma as I'm considering a job change I'm also sending a 530 donation just to get in on the 214 producer gig. Yeah, I think that should be possible Anything else or is that that's what it is Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to make a note here. Is this we much? We must and we will much about that Be committed. Boo, Chocolata! Boo, Chocolata! Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma.

56:59 Because he wants the second credit, which we'll give him, because even though it's not going to show up in the database printout, people always forget about that sort of thing. Liz Gunther, Los Angeles, California. I'm curious about how you think the Quincy Amendment affects the current U.S. policy. The Quincy Agreement affects the current US policy towards Saudi Arabia. I often use Saudi Arabia and their exemplary human rights record when discussing the media and Obama's attitude towards Putin and the alleged hatred of homosexuals. In other words, she says, huh, what about

57:36 What about Saudi Arabia? Yeah, they behead 10 people a month on average. And they hate women. Yeah. And they don't let them drive and they have to, they can only be with a relative. They can't have a smoke at the local cafe. And they chop gays' heads off and everything. Yeah, that's our friends over there. They get off the hook for everything, including zero outrage that most of the hijackers from 9-11 were Saudis. I think the Quincy Amendment Agreement, I don't know why do I say amendment? What is the Quincy Agreement? I don't even know what it is. Well, I looked it up. Okay, you tell us what do you think I looked it up in in the book of knowledge which I have here somewhere It was an agreement done on the USS Quincy. I believe it was Roosevelt was our president. And this was, I think, the first deal with the Saudis before the petrodollar. And this was, they were going to keep the peace in the Middle East and we would supply them with weaponry to keep the peace in the Middle East. I think that was the essence of the original agreement. I think that expired or it's sunset somewhere in, now I want to look it up.

58:38 Okay, we'll look it up. We'll get on it a little more than we have. I looked at a big current policy. I looked at this and it really... No. I to me is like whatever. Okay, she got finalized as we sorry about your personal difficulties I've included a pic to cheer you up along with $200 donation next time you're in Los Angeles You have a no agenda meetup and lost anger. These meet up and this send a picture. I saw it Oh my goodness. It was a picture. I have only I have only one thing to say Best picture in a long time. Well, I would say the boom shaka laka thing kind of nails it. Yeah, it does. And finally, I think we need to meet up in L.A. pretty soon, John. Just thinking that might be a good idea. Yeah.

59:31 I'll just summarize. Can you put that picture in the newsletter as well? I could, but I'm not going to. But I'll summarize. Yes. Could put an eye out. Yeah. David Lane in Springfield, Missouri, $200 no note from David. He also mailed it in and said, good job, boys. I want to thank these folks and all the rest of the people coming up in the second part of the show for contributing to show six, I don't know what the show is. Six, nine or four. Six, nine or four. And to remind you, we got another show coming up on Thursday. I'd like to get things back to a little more hectic. And hopefully I'll have news of a meetup maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. I'll be in New York and so we'll see how that works. Right, beforeix.org slash NA for the donations. And keep, I don't know how we're going to, when's the meetup, when are you hoping for a meetup?

1:00:21 Tuesday or Wednesday? This coming Tuesday or Wednesday? Yes. How are they gonna know? Well, don't they listen to the show and follow me on social media? Social! Well, they listen to the show, but you have no details to give them. No, so that means... The show won't be on until you guys did... Because... It was on that show until Thursday. Then everyone will find it from my Twitter. and they'll find out where it is. Knights and dames from New York already are all ready to good to go. Okay. Well, they probably have a contact list. I think it'll be okay All right while we're on that though. I do have a little org slash na I want to remind you a little promo here Scott McKenzie author of one day and get mo nation death by auto pen and drawing dead he has released yet a new giblet and

1:01:20 based on the stylings of the No Agenda show. It is called Perp Walk, a short No Agenda story. It's an e-book, Giblet, Scott McKenzie. It's in the Kindle store, I think 99 cents. I have not read it yet. I'll be reading it on the plane. But I enjoyed his One Day in Gitmo Nation immensely. I thought that was very fun. So have a look at that. Perp Walk is a work of fiction inspired by the Dominique Strauss-Kahn affair and based on the topics discussed on the No Agenda show hosted by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. Okay, lots of interesting and good and valuable feedback from producers.

1:02:28 on the Burning Man ISIS video. Oh yeah. And the consensus is, yeah, this could be made... We have links to videos, I put some of this in the show notes so you can see some of it. How fire is put into... is dramatized into productions and how you can do it. Indeed, you can do it on a higher-end Mac and you can put that together. But I still remain it doesn't even matter at this point because exactly What we said would happen happened or is now underway as Jordan is now because of the Burning Man video they've been drafted they've been pulled into it and Here is the CNN report a clear unequivocal message from the Jordanian armed

1:03:14 armed forces on Thursday, flying missions over Raqqa, they say, in Syria and indeed Iraq, degrading and destroying ISIS assets on the ground. Let's take a look at what are these defining images over the past 24 hours. I've got to set a three for you because I think this clearly points out both sides of what's going on here. I love this. Now what you're seeing, and this is Becky, whatever her name is. She's a Middle Easter. From time to time she comes and do Middle Eastern stuff. And she's showing us the traditional cross hair, green, kind of grayscale video of some unidentified buildings being bombed from the air. Whoop-de-doo.

1:03:59 But you'll believe it because she's just giving you the narrative and telling you what you are seeing. Believe it, believe it, believe it! It's real! It's real! It's real! The video images that our viewers will see of the destruction, the airstrikes on Raqqa, some 30 fighter jets we were told in the air and they were successful, they destroyed their targets and all returned home safely. That's the first set of images. I want to get our viewers a second set of images now because these released shortly after the infrared images that were released by the armed forces here and these released by ISIS as part of their ongoing

1:04:41 propaganda campaign and a set of images that show purportedly show children, young children in classrooms in Rucker. They say. So they're literally showing now file footage of kids in classrooms. That's it. It's just kids and just kids with a teacher. Where was this report again? What network? CNN. You know, here's the thing, CNN, which I didn't get for a while because they took it off the dish, and I started watching it. I was watching it trying to get clips. It is terrible. I always don't realize how bad CNN is. They're terrible. Well, this is the true propaganda because

1:05:24 And you're not even seeing a video... all right, so if they... she's saying that this is video that ISIS put out, they're images but it's video, that ISIS put out to show that the Jordanians are at risk of killing children who are in school. But isn't the video is just from some local, it has a logo in the right hand corner, which is I think some, you know, some Arabic television footage, but it's not ISIS, it's not Al Jazeera. You know, where's the branding in this? So it's so un, it's not even credible what CNN is doing here, but she's just going to give you this, This messaging over file footage. This is ISIS that they have opened 24 schools 12 for boys and 12 for girls Giving the impression what one assumes. What are they opening schools for girls for if they're these strict crazy people? Well, this is just a script that this Becky is reading. I'm sorry What they want to do is give the impression that life continues as normal in what is this hot

1:06:26 ISIS activity in northern Syria. And then another image which I think perhaps sums up what has been going on here in Jordan over the past 48 to 72 hours since the gruesome video of the murder of that young pilot was released. And this is of Queen Rania, King Abdullah's wife, with the mother of the downed Pilot. Pfft. We only see from behind. Okay, fine. Oh, it's all horrible. Prince Charles getting in the act. For some reason, the Brits are now coming in with, I believe, 60 fighter jets. Charles will meet Jordan's King Abdullah. A few days ago, the king threatened what he called a severe response to the burning to death of the Jordanian Air Force officer by Islamic State.

1:07:14 That atrocity, which has so shocked and angered Jordan, will without doubt be one of the principal matters which Charles will discuss with the King. Charles will express Britain's sympathy and solidarity with Jordan in the fight against Islamic State. Jordan, of course, wants something more tangible, more financial help to cope with the refugees, more extensive training for its military. Oh yes, we'll send some training and some advisors. Yeah, so they're in northern Syria and it's just a matter of time before they go down and take out Assad. That is clear. In the meantime, the president did something very strange, which has kind of gotten legs or maybe it's a new meme, new narrative, whatever it is, at the prayer breakfast.

1:08:00 What is the genesis of the prayer breakfast anyway? Well, that's a good question, but I think it goes back into the... Is it a special day that we do the prayer breakfast? Yeah, there's one day a year that you do a prayer. Actually, I think there's a couple of times maybe. I don't know. I'll look it up. But I knew when I was a kid, I heard about it. Well, they never used to publicize it so much. I appreciate if you'd look that up and then I shall play this a little bit that that I think intentionally caught fire of his speech at the prayer breakfast. The murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe. Hate crimes! So often perpetrated in the name of religion. So how do we as people of faith reconcile these realities? The profound good, the strength, the tenacity,

1:08:56 the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends. Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. Yeah. In our home country. Slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of price. Okay. Now, I actually have a better clip that nobody picked up on, which I'll talk about after we're done with this analysis. But what is he kidding with this? Well, a thousand years ago, we did the same thing. We got in this case. Yes. Yes. And what's interesting is I believe that is not entirely factual about what the Crusades were about.

1:09:56 There is enough evidence to show that the Crusades were also about stopping the Ottoman Empire from bleeding into the West. Well, yeah, and they get to actually, they had already bled into the West to an extreme. The National Prayer Breakfast is a yearly event held in Washington, D.C., the first Thursday of February every year. The founder of the event was Abraham Variey. This is the Chicago connection, of course. I don't know if it's a Chicago connection, but in 1953. Varied established international Christian leadership incorporated as fellow foundation in Chicago as the U.S. headquarters for the prayer breakfast movement. It's a Chicago thing, man. Yeah, another Chicago thing. So anyway, so this, I found that to be very interesting. It does, so saying that religion is bad when used for war, which is pretty much used for war all the time.

1:10:51 And that the Crusades were all horrible things. That is a meme which I think needs re-examining. We've talked about it before on the show because, yes, but it was also protecting one religion against the other religion. Not just, hey, you don't like Christ? Chop your head off. That's what it turned into over the years. I'm not sure that's... Well, if we're going to do a Crusades show, we're going to have to do a little more reading. So here is... London professor of economics, I think he was on Fareed Zakaria's show and he picked up on this. Obama got it right. ISIS are the crusaders or today's crusaders. They are slaughtering in the name of religion.

1:11:32 They have a twisted interpretation of the faith. And like the Crusaders, as you know, Farid, the Crusaders did not only kill Muslims. They killed Jews. They killed Eastern Christians. And ISIS will keep focusing on the few Western victims. Remember, the overwhelming number of victims are Muslims, not just even minorities, Shias or Yazidis and Christians, Sunnis. ISIS has slaughtered thousands of Sunni Syrians and Iraqis. But the question is, I mean, the Crusaders and ISIS, the reality is ISIS has to be deconstructed. These twisted interpretations of the faith must be faced on. And only, and again, Farid, only Arabs and Muslims can deconstruct this particular twisted interpretation of the faith. And the reality is this is an internal war.

1:12:24 This is a civil war within the Islamic world. This is not about Islam and the West. This is about the identity of the state in the Muslim world, and the Islamic world is raging in multiple places, in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya, in Yemen, and other places as well. So the way I take this... And by the way, this is all new. This has never happened before. I think that's the point. This is almost an alley-oop from the president. to say, you know what? Because now it's clear. This is an Islam problem and we need people in the region to fix this, i.e. Jordan. And it's happened before. Look, we got out of it. We stopped the murdering and the killing of everybody 800 years ago. If we can do it, then these crazy Islamo guys, they can do it. MSNBC, all in on the program, of course, Mr. Larry O'Donnell.

1:13:19 What the president alluded to today is the fact that some religions have gone through violent phases. Catholicism was the most murderous force on the face of the earth for hundreds of years. We're number one! But that's hundreds of years ago. That's 800 years ago. And so for the president to make a comparison to the Islamic State, he actually has to reach back 100 years in Catholicism. and then tell Catholics and Christians today don't get up on your high horse. And Osra, in the process, the president seems to be saying that he knows what real Islam is. And the high horse thing pisses me off too. It's getting on my nerves. Now it's an official meme that we have. I think the actual wording is get off your high horse. And the president put us back on. I thought that was interesting.

1:14:10 First of all, let's stop this discussion immediately. I'm sorry. Because you used the word alley-oop. I did. Now, the alley-oop generally is derived from football, and you don't like football. Football is basketball! No. The alley-oop is basketball! The original alley-oop was a football play. I don't think you can find any evidence that the alley-oop existed before Y.A. Tittle and R.C. Owens in the 50s when they were throwing the alley-oop pass, when Tittle was throwing the alley-oop pass to R.C. Owens. I know if you look up the definition, it's a high pass caught by a leaping teammate who tries to dunk the ball before landing. But the whole dunk phenomenon didn't really exist in the 50s.

1:15:06 Okay... And the alley-oop in basketball I don't believe showed up until the 70s or 80s. Here's the history of the alley-oop according to the one and only... In the 1950s, some players began utilizing jumping abilities by grabbing balls in midair and then dunking Bill Russell at the University of San Francisco, Wilt Chamberlain at Kansas, and jumping Johnny Green at Michigan State. This is the 50s. I'm not going to counter you. I would take your word over Wikipedia any day. No, no, no. It's possible. But I think this was backdated, personally. Okay, I'll look into it. Maybe it was a basketball phenomenon first and then became the football callout because it's the same thing, only it was a certain kind of pass that actually flipped over and it required a basketball player to catch it.

1:15:59 Now, it's possible it was a basketball thing that was going on during that era, because if anyone's going to do it, it would be Will Chamberlain. I'd have to do some checking on dates. I've got something. I've got information. You're probably right. No, no, information. Jump to conclusions, because I was stunned that you would use a football term or actually even a basketball term now that I think about it. You hate sports. I don't hate sports. I don't hate sports. I know you like lacrosse. Yeah, from the chat room. The alley-oop play... lacrosse, no. Women's field hockey. Oh, same thing. This could be the biggest sport in... spectator sport. The alley-oop play was developed in 1950s American football games by the San Francisco 49ers, Y.A. Tittle and R.C. Owens.

1:16:48 would throw the ball into the end zone high like a jump ball, Owens would jump it. So yeah, it's highly disputable. I look at the Alley-oop Wikipedia page and it does say this article needs additional citations for verification. I love it when it says this article has problems. It doesn't say that. Or it's the reason why I can advertise it as my favorite. Well, I would very much like to be able to point... I think you're at the bottom of it now. I would like to point to proof that it is a football, that it originated in football because I think most people don't realize that. Anyway, the idea is the same in the president's case and I believe I was just stunned that you would use that your mind Did you like it should I should I try this more often these are sports analogy? It's disturbing to you a little bit all right here is a

1:17:37 Fareed Zakaria to kind of bring it all home in a nice little package for us. Of course, Fareed drinks beers with the president. You know, he's on board with everything. The general feeling is that ISIS is gaining ground with its diabolical methods. But is it really? The video of the pilot... Sorry? Are you holding a microphone in front of the TV here with this clip? Yes, in this case I am, yes. I had a... there was a last minute clip this morning was on and I couldn't get the YouTube connection to work. I'm sorry. ...was slickly produced but it might have been a fancy cover to mask an operation that had gone awry. Remember, it began as a money-making scheme to get a ransom for Japanese hostages, then turned into a hostage swap for a forgotten failed suicide bomber. I love how this complete farce

1:18:27 of a script is now just being recanted by Fareed Zakaria as fact. Money-making scheme. Oh yeah, they were very serious about the 200 million dollars they wanted from Japan. Yeah, very serious. "...and finally ended with the immolation of the Jordanian pilot." Certainly, ISIS could not have imagined the response its actions have triggered in the Middle East. Always good to have a protest. With Jordanians united against it. Clerics across the region loudly and unequivocally condemning the immolation. And with Japan ready to provide more aid and support against it. Meanwhile, news on the battlefield has not been good for ISIS.

1:19:06 Brookings Institution scholar Kenneth Pollack describes the stunning reversal it has faced in Iraq. The Washington Post has reported on the growing discontent within its territories. All this might help explain the brutality of the latest murder video. the group well understands that the primary purpose of terrorism is to induce fear and overreaction. The targeting of America and its allies, the videos, the barbarism are all designed to draw Washington into a ground battle in Syria. So he's actually explaining And now it's so obvious that whatever ISIS, ISIL, IS is, certainly the video production portion of it is intended to work in tandem with, I'm sure, some NGOs who get everyone all pissed off in Jordan. We have this get on your high horse, the Crusades.

1:20:00 It's put it's draw. It's divide and conquer John. It's it's a classic I'm not in this guy. I'm telling you what you've done. This guy should never be clipped again. He's boring and stupid And this is a bullshit whole thing, this analysis of his is crap because I think you had the right analysis, which is to draw Jordan in to go do the job. So why are you playing this piece of shit? You said he wrapped it up into a nice bundle. It sounds like he's just completely wrong. Yes! But this is what we're supposed to be believing. Come on! You know, this guy, nobody listens to this show, this guy's show. I don't think you should either. You used to berate me for listening to Rachel Maddow. Alright, okay, we got the picture that

1:20:45 There's a scenario presented before the public and there it is. And you have a better idea, which is I'd be on board with your idea, which is the whole thing's a scam and Jordan's going in. And they're going to take out Assad. That is, they're going to take him out. That's what your theory is. I think you, yeah. But we, but we, but, but, but, but, but, all right, all right, fine. We have one more thing to deal with. One more thing. We have a little minor backup plan. It hasn't been played hard yet. They're going to start ramping it up if we need to, if we don't get this is all about this for the authorization for use of military force. We need to have that to then go in and fucking destroy everything we can. And we have one last one. We now have finally, now that we, the gay thing is not working out. We finally have a cute girl who they're going to kill or they say is killed. No, they already killed her. They say maybe.

1:21:37 Well, we say maybe, the ISIS guy says really. They say that Jordan killed her. Yes, that's just a bull crap thing. I mean, hey, look what you guys did. You shouldn't have bombed us. Watch it be played. They're going to play this. We're going to see. I think they've already tried to nip it in the bud with Ned's bull crap. Okay. I don't know if they're gonna... I think the overlook thing in this whole prayer breakfast was Obama finally admitting he's a Muslim. Nobody seemed to have caught it. Now, I've got the clip. I've got the clip. Hold on a second.

1:22:15 You're really grouchy just a minute ago. Well, I guess as a carrier really annoys me. This is the guy who wants to throw away the US Constitution. Yes. Well, I got to keep my eye on him. Anything he has to say or why he's got a job is beyond me. Oh, there it is. Really? Now I get it. You're pissed off. The guy's making millions of dollars doing this crap. He's making millions of dollars. Nobody cares. We're podcasting. Nobody watches it. We're starving to death. I'm doing real analysis. I understand your. Yes, I understand your pain. I got it. Now, here is... now you have to listen carefully because he doesn't say, I am a Muslim. But he says in his little thing here, he is... and I'm going to use it, here it comes, essentially says he's a Muslim if you parse what he says and the way he says it and right at the end where he realizes what he says and jumps out of it as fast as he can. Short and sweet. Now, I just want to say,

1:23:11 This is probably, for you to even be broaching this topic in this way is so counter to anything you've ever done that you must really be very convinced that he is, that this is true. Wait a minute. Yeah. You didn't put me in a box. It's saying he says it, not me. I'm just playing it for people to take it or leave it. I think this warrants a little setup. Here we go. All right. Obama is a Muslim. Meanwhile, in Washington, President Obama condemned Islamic State atrocities. He told the National Prayer Breakfast, no God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number.

1:24:01 And so as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion. Any religion for their own nihilistic ends. I gotta hear it again. I'm gonna hear it again. He told the National Prayer Breakfast, no God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number. And so as people of faith we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion any religion for their own nihilistic ends Wow He of our religion. Yeah Wow, and then he jumped out of as fast as he could by saying any religion Oh, man, they're not distorting Christianity or anything else. It's it's it's everyone says it's the distortion of Islam one more time. He's got a fewer number

1:25:02 And so as people of faith we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion. Any religion for their own nihilistic ends. That was good. That was good. Nobody has picked up. Nobody has picked up on that and they love to harp on this, you know, he takes his rings off during Ramadan, right? Right, right, right, right. Things. They always chide him for being a Muslim. He's a proclaimed Muslim when he was Indonesia. And but this they just missed it. Wow. That's why the show is so damn good. Wow.

1:25:39 And you don't think that... He couldn't have meant anything but Islam. Christianity is not being distorted that way. No, nothing is. There's nothing being distorted. Are you sure you can't interpret this as him saying, you know, well, if someone were doing this to... No, no, it's not interpretable. If you listen to it again, play it one more time. I think we have to play it. You will see there's pain. ...way around it. I agree. ...condemned Islamic State atrocities. He told the National Prayer Breakfast, no God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number. And so as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion, any religion for their own nihilistic ends. It's true. And that's exactly what he wants. He wants the Muslims to push back against the crazy Muslims. Yeah. Yeah. Why?

1:26:37 Okay, there you go. Well, then why doesn't he just say he's a Muslim? What's the problem? Because it's not gonna go over. It won't go over? It's a little late for that, don't you think? Not much we can do now. Wow. It would hurt the party. Yes. Hmm. Okay. All right. I got a little intro. You kind of, wow. I'm flummoxed. I got ya. Yeah, you did. You did. Yeah, well that's good. That's a good one. I'm a little mad actually that I didn't catch that. It was a tough one to catch. All right, I got one here. This is a sociology issue. We have all this violence against women and all these kinds of memes and then we have that kind of in bed with the liberal thinkers and idolaters and people who worship

1:27:39 celebrities of a certain bent, and I will put James Dean, who I have had on the show before. James Dean, to me, I've watched all his movies, I think he's a terrible actor, and he obviously was highly regarded because he was a reflection of something going on in the mid-50s. Which I, you know, it wasn't something I could deal with. I was just born, so... It was like him and Rock Hudson and Tab Hunter and they all undercover gays. Well, the gay thing is, he's a rebel without a cause, and this is a clip from Rebel Without a Cause. And he's in the police office and he's been drinking or something. They kept him overnight in the cell and he's now talking to a cop while his parents are outside bickering about it. And he's got a kind of a wimpy dad that's a model for like modern sitcoms, I would say. And which James Dean movie was this? Rebel Without a Cause? Rebel Without a Cause, okay. Now this clip has got a little tidbit in here that I don't remember

1:28:41 being part of the structure of society, but apparently it was. And I want to talk about this because this is one of these movies that people think is one of the great films of all time and nobody questions this and other moments within the movie that advocate very peculiar actions. I mean, I love him and all that type of stuff. And I mean, I don't want to hurt him, but then I don't I don't know what to do anymore except maybe die. I mean, if he had guts to knock mom cold once, then maybe she'd be happy and then she'd stop picking on him.

1:29:25 As they make my shot at him. Oh, he's advocating the woman strike her man down. No, you didn't listen. I can't hear it. I'm telling well, he ought to give you the word is if he would just have the guts to knock her cold. Oh the other way around. I'm sorry. Okay, would like it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. What happened? I'm picking on him. So women wanted to be beaten. What? Yeah, that's what it says. And they get put in their place with a strong fist to the face knocking her cold. I snorted. Now this by the way is exactly what Ray Rice did to his girlfriend in the elevator. And guess what? He's not in jail. That's true. Well, he may end up in jail but she won't press charges.

1:30:12 There's a number of things that the white world used to do, including apparently knocking their wife cold to make her happy, that the black community does, and they get in... And I would also say the Peterson case where he was using a switch on his boy, you know, and it's like now he's a child abuser. In the 50s this was commonplace. Everybody was beating their kids. Hold on, this plays, this is like we set it up, I have to say. It's like we set it up, this happened with the Pope. The Pope came out and said, well, you know, you should just throttle your kid once in a while. It's not bad. And this is on the Morning Joe show. And Mika Brzezinski

1:30:59 has had the same punishment I have had as a child. The Pope is also receiving attention for recent comments about disciplining children. Speaking about the role of fathers, the Pope said, quote, one time I heard a father in a meeting with married couples say, I sometimes have to smack my children a bit, but never in the face so as not to humiliate them. How beautiful. He knows the sense of dignity. He has to punish them, but does it justly and moves on. So he's okay with the Pope's okay with spanking? He's okay. Don't leave a mark. What about a hairbrush on the side of the highway? Is that how your parents say that? Yep. Okay, hairbrush the side of the highway. My mother, when she said Adam Clark Curry, you knew it was coming. And she would, if I was bad, she would spank me with a hairbrush. But then she caught on that the threat of bristle side down

1:31:52 with the hairbrush would be enough to have me change my behavior on the spot. And this was not 50s, but this was 60s, late 60s. I think it's continued into this late 70s. Did you ever, have you ever heard of this? The hairbrush bristle side? No, never heard of the hairbrush, but it doesn't surprise me. And I've heard of the switch and I've heard of the belt. I got the belt once from my dad and that was the last time I ever really spoke to him. Yeah, the belt and all this other stuff that the white community was doing. Yeah. Commonly, including I think this clip from a rebel without a cause, because nobody said anything about this knocking her cold. It was all, oh, this is fine. Women need to be hitting the head. Now,

1:32:36 Not so much. It changes and now all of a sudden it's all bad. Oh, you can't even touch your kid. Do you let them do whatever they want to do? And meanwhile, you know, some black person does it. This is the evils of the black man. You know, this kind of bull crap. Right, right, right. I just found this clip to be fascinating. Knock her cold, make her happy. And give her a smoke. Give her a smoke with her new ironing board. washing machine. Anyway, I was very taken by it. I like it. I like it. I'll probably have more clips from this movie because I'm sure yeah, I mean the movie is just bad movie. Bad movie. Anyway, let me see just before we go into our break. I think it might be interesting to let me see.

1:33:22 Yeah, the vaccines, of course we've been following what's going on. The MMR stories covering up the fact that the flu vaccine does not work this year. Ireland is now restricting hospital visits because of the flu and its bogative vaccine, which they even mention in this story, which I found fascinating. Three hospitals have restricted visiting because of an influenza outbreak. St. James's Hospital in Dublin, the Mercy Hospital and Cork University Hospital say they've taken this measure in the interest of patient safety. It comes as figures show the number of people being hospitalised with influenza more than doubled last week.

1:34:06 It's the peak time of year for influenza and the number of patients hospitalized with the virus is on the rise. It's led to two major hospitals deciding for the first time ever to restrict visitors to stop the spread of flu. And the HSE says although there's some international evidence that the strain of flu has drifted from the one that's being used in this year's vaccine, that doesn't change the recommendation that people should get vaccinated. I love the, oh it drifted. Drift. Drift. So two, two things here. You know, the, we, the people, the creative petition on the white, that bogus White House thing. Yeah. Yeah. So there's one, there's a new one. We petitioned the Obama administration to classify refusal to vaccinate children as a mental disorder. This is great. That is really very funny, but I found something else.

1:35:00 that even, and I think you're going to take us down the road, like, you know, network wars. There are two lawsuits that are coming into play right now that I believe are handily being covered up by, you know, the outbreak news and all of this. The two lawsuits are both against, I see the first one is against, yeah, both against Merck, who make the MMR vaccine. And the first one is it's a false claims act. And actually, they're both false claims. Yes, here it comes. That the that Merck falsified the MMR trial data. You see, you have to have an... Yeah, but... This is stunning to us and the show.

1:35:51 Well, what's... no. No, that's what I'm saying. We've only been following this since the inception of this stupid phony vaccine. But I hadn't found this yet. So two virologists who worked at Merck, Steven Kraling and Joan Wolakowski, filed a suit that has unsealed 2010 accusations of the company falsifying its mumps vaccine test results to hit the efficacy rate of 95 percent, which is necessary and required by the FDA in order to qualify

1:36:30 for a vaccine that is healthy for people and also gives them the exclusive license, of course, to sell this. And then there's a second court case using the same evidence. This is a class-action lawsuit against Merck for unlawfully monopolizing the U.S. market for MMR, which I'm sure will be backed by other pharmaceutical corporations. And then you look at the Disney measles outbreak data, 87 cases so far. You probably won't be hearing much about the six of the cases who were individuals who had received the vaccine. and still came down with it. So the news that we're not surprised by, this is...the vaccine doesn't really work, but is being used. And of course, it makes sense because the flu vaccine doesn't really work. Did MMR drift, perhaps? Did the measles drift? My wife Mimi gave me a little touch of this because she apparently had rubella when she was a kid. She was tested for it before her first pregnancy.

1:37:34 showed no antibodies. They told her to get a measles shot, she got the measles shot. A few years later, they tested her, no antibodies for any measles with or without the shot. They had to get another shot. Yeah, booster. And it's like, they don't, she says that she looked into it and she's like kind of an amateur at this and she's like... I'd say she's a little above an amateur, but okay. By amateur I mean she's not a professional. Not that she's no good. Amateurs can be quite good at things. Anyway, she amateur radio people, for example. Isn't this the weekend of the thing? I'm afraid that we might have missed it. Did we miss the... No, I think it's this weekend. I'm not sure. Is it this weekend? Whatever the case. Our QSO party? Yeah, QSO. I don't know. Whatever the case, nobody reminded us. I didn't get any reminder.

1:38:24 whatever the case, she says that her research indicated that the measles thing, there's a number of strains. There's not one or two or just rebelling the regular one, German measles. And there's like a whole bunch of them and these vaccines just touch on a couple of them and the whole thing is bullcrap. Yeah, but then you see what's happening where everyone's discredited, everyone's being, you know, make them claim, declare them mentally ill, yet where is the reporting on these lawsuits of actual falsification of the data. Come on. You can't have that. No, I know. Form a circle, have a hug, tell a secret. Yeah. Wow. And so that kind of blew me away, I'd say. Well, yeah, you brought it up. You must have.

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1:49:59 Are you doing a tech show today? No, I'm not. I'll be doing one next Sunday. Okay. There will of course be things discussed today. Yeah. Which... You want to start the segment? You want to do a segment? Actual segment? Well, I mean, yeah, we can do that. Well, do you feel that it's about package? I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. It's about tech. Well, let's just do the segment anyway. iPhone schmiphone. The way I see it, the only good phone's a landline and the phone should be made out of Bakelite. That's right. All right, tech grouch. Yes, it is the tech grouch. It is indeed the tech grouch. Yeah. And this will be discussed incorrectly, no doubt, technology tech. Yes, incorrectly. No doubt. Completely wrong. Yes. You're going to say the two blowhards. Okay, go. Yeah. Well, we are the blowhards. Yeah, we are. We are. Okay. So Wheeler, Tom Wheeler of the FCC,

1:50:56 comes out and says, yeah, well I've got it, good to go, we know how we're going to do it. We played a couple of bits on Thursday. Now there is a, interestingly enough, it's a 332-page plan, but there is a cover sheet So it's 333 pages, which is the net neutrality rules that the FCC, that Tom Wheeler is going to be proposing. Now, whenever we see these numbers, I mean, come on, 333 pages. Are you kidding me? They released a two-pager. which is really nonsensical other than it is obvious that the FCC has taken on the president's initial net neutrality plan pretty much verbatim. And this is such a bull crap, red herring, not going anywhere. What Tom Wheeler said guarantees this will not happen.

1:51:53 Well, that's a plus. It's a plus, but it is going to make people crazy around election time. It's going to be in the courts for a long time. And it will be used as Obama's legacy. I mean, it's going to be used for...it's political. It's completely political. And I'd like to explain briefly why. I can't wait to get my hands on the 333 pages so we can actually see what he's...what is being proposed. But here's the problem. Do you remember Eric, the constitutional lawyer? He was going to go to the Supreme Court and fight the EPA. There's your buddy. Yeah, my buddy Eric, yeah. So they chose another case was chosen so he didn't get to...but it was the same issue and the Supreme Court ruled in the Cliff Notes here, the EPA could not regulate, change their rules

1:52:46 to regulate greenhouse gases because agencies don't have that power. Congress can do that and then they can interpret the rules, but they can't just change rules as they go along. And that was a groundbreaking case and it's very important for all of the agencies that we have. And the FCC, I guess, would be a... I don't know if the commission falls under an agency, but they have power. The only power they actually have is Title II. and they can make rules and legislate and protect consumers under Title II regulations. But Wheeler, for some... I'm not sure exactly why, we'll find out, but he completely punted and pretty much put this into the area of it'll never fly by saying, we're going to adapt and change and do something a little different with Title II in order to fit broadband into that. Well, that's it.

1:53:43 They're not allowed to do it. So for him to even say that, and you're not going to hear this analysis from anybody, but for him to even say that guarantees that you can take it to the Supreme Court. It cannot happen. Congress could change Title II and make the changes for the FCC to implement. But what we are going to see is a universal outpouring of Obama-bot people who have no clue what we're talking about when it comes to net neutrality. Oh, he did it all, it's great, everything's fantastic, we're going to save the internet and my Netflix won't buffer and Facebook will be fast and everything will be just great and it'll become everything's gonna be fantastic and then it'll be the ugly Republicans who are fighting them trying to not make it happen, they don't want net neutrality, it's gonna be fucking crazy.

1:54:33 And it's, and it's... So you think this is a giant, yet again another giant scam to nail the Republicans? Completely. Completely. Get Hillary in or whatever they want. Completely. That could be. You literally cannot change this. Anyone who heard this who knows About the EPA ruling and this now is this explained to you by your yes, yes, it was and he Specifically talked about Wheeler doing this yes. He did okay, and I take that as extremely valid valid yeah I still want to see the 333 pages. Oh yeah, there's got to be some stuff in there. It's all going to be lawful content, lawful, lawful, lawful. Yeah, probably a lot of that. It's going to be all of that. So in other words, this is nothing and nothing's going to change. Nothing's going to change, no. It can't. Not this way. You will not hear this analysis on any other broadcast done by anybody else or even written. Okay, good. And now I have one for you. Uh-oh.

1:55:37 We, you, you specifically, but you have taught us how to read the numbers and my goodness, maybe five, maybe since the inception of this program, we've been talking about the lies known as the unemployment numbers in the United States, and which currently is supposed to stand at 5.6% unemployment. Actually, 5.7, I believe it went up. Went up a little bit? Well, let's take a brief moment here. The president himself, he has a podcast if you've never heard of it. He has a little video podcast that he does. And on this video podcast today, he's now pushing his

1:56:17 The economics of the middle class or whatever someone advised him poorly on this name, but they're no longer talking He is no longer talking about the actual percentage. He just uses different figures that sound impressive. Hi everybody. Heil everybody. Heil everybody. I'm talking with you today from Ivy Tech Community College in Indianapolis where I just held a town hall and heard from everyday Americans about what we can do together to make their lives a little better. This week we got news that confirms what we already know. Oh! That our businesses continue to create jobs for hardworking folks all across the country. Woo! Last month, America's businesses added another 267,000 jobs. And notice how it's just given that number and not a percentage. It sounds like a lot of jobs. In 2014, our economy created more than 3.1 million jobs in all. More jobs! The best year for job growth since the late 1990s. Jobs. Wow.

1:57:11 All told, over the past 59 months, the private sector has added 11.8 million new jobs. Oh my God! Do a month statistic! The longest streak on record. And in the single most hopeful sign for middle class families, wages are rising again. So America's poised for another good year, as long as Washington works to keep this progress going. We have to choose. Stupid Republicans. Will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well? Uh, yeah, I don't know, that's a good one. Or will we build an economy where everyone who works hard can get ahead? That's how it's supposed to be. Everyone gets lucky. There's no competition here.

1:57:54 If you work hard you win. There's no winning. We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug and share a secret. So Gallup, known from the Gallup poll, gallup.com, which I think is a well-respected polling institution. I hold them in high regard. In high regard, very good. Published on their website, a article that said, the title of the article, The Big Lie, 5.6% unemployment. And this article, it's as if you wrote it, and goes right into here's something that many Americans, including some of the smartest and most educated among us, don't know. The official unemployment rate as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor is extremely misleading. And then they go in to talk about the 5.6% and then

1:58:45 This line, none of them will tell you this, if you, a family member, or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job, if you are so hopelessly out of work you've stopped looking over the past four weeks, the Department of Labor doesn't count you as unemployed. That's right! While you are as unemployed as one can possibly be, and tragically may never find work again, you are not counted in the figure we see relentlessly in the news, currently 5.6%. Right now as many as 30 million Americans are either out of work or severely underemployed. The vast majority of them aren't throwing parties to toast the falling unemployment. So this is a scathing article coming from kind of a mainstream source and it's caused some ripples. And the CEO of Gallup went on, I think it's MSNBC, and he said something.

1:59:39 If John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry are talking about this big lie and how people who've... You mean like for seven years? Yes, and these people have turned into bums and homeless and they don't count as unemployed in that number and we have consistently said this is bogus, bogus, bogus. No one's going to kill us. No one cares. Does anyone care about us? We're podcasters. We're baying at the moon. Baying at the moon. However, if you're the CEO of Gallup and this is published under your authority, you might say the following on CNBC. I don't think that the government is misleading us at all. I think that the number that comes out of BLS and the Department of Labor is very, very accurate. I need to make that very, very clear so I don't suddenly disappear. I need to make it home tonight. What? He just said, make it home tonight? That he will suddenly disappear.

2:00:36 It's not working for a bank or anything where they do kill their employees, but... I think everyone's going to use a... Well, let's listen again. Listen to... ...paranoia that's in this country. Yes, well, and rightly so. Say, how can you guys do that show? Aren't you afraid of getting killed? Well... What are you talking about? I don't think that the government is misleading us at all. I think that the number that comes out of BLS and the Department of Labor is very, very accurate. I need to make that very, very clear so I don't suddenly disappear. I need to make it home tonight. You don't want to disappear? the

2:01:29 No R? I think it's the way the number is being used. So Gallup analytic teams, they looked into, they were trying to figure out where the middle class was. Looked into the GDP and of course GDP, your audience is very astute. We know it hasn't moved in five years. Yeah, blended rate of five years is about 2.2. So then we went to jobs, we said, well, I keep reading in good papers, the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times, and the president tells us that unemployment's the best it's been in 10 years. Okay, there's one side of it. Our concern with our analysts is that it's very, very misleading because what America really wants are full-time jobs. 30 plus hours. But here's the point, the misleading point. The percent of full-time jobs in this country

2:02:16 to the population is the worst it's been in 30 years. And although you have an astute audience, when you're at dinner, ask people about this. Nobody knows that number. Except if they listen to the No Agenda show. Well, I'm looking at the ShadowStats latest release. Now, it hasn't been going up anymore, which is a plus. But it hasn't been doing anything but Looks like it's steady at 23.5% unemployment rate. The official numbers are both going down, the U3 and the U6. But the shadow stats alternative, which is claimed to be, and I've had people write in saying, ah, the guy's full of crap. He uses fudge factors. It's possible. Whatever the case is, it makes more sense what his numbers are.

2:03:05 But it's based on the kind of numbers, when we look at the depression of the 30s, the way things were calculated back then to make it to the point where we got 30% unemployment at one point, that's the calculation that's being done by...supposedly being done by Williams here at the Shadow Stats operation. And he's coming up with 23.5%, not 30, not 25. I never got to 25, but it's steady. Now it's steady. It's just like a flat line. It's flat lined at this. So in other words, nothing good has happened. Right. Well, at least he's our CEO friend here. He's going to be around a while longer. No agenda listener. Good luck. Anyone that listens, any CEOs listening, no agenda. I don't know. Maybe it'll ruin their lives. I have no idea. I don't know what the problem is. Okay. All right. That was a good bit.

2:04:02 Did I get we're gonna close the tech segment? Oh yeah, that wasn't even tech anymore, so we kind of moved on I'll just now we don't need to close. You don't have to close screw it. We don't have to well wait wait No, it did let's leave it open because I have oh I have two clips Okay fascinating One-time YouTube show that's now being you know what they bought time or what's going on? But this show people should look at as a valley girl Valley girl. What are you doing to me now Valley girl is Tim Draper's daughter. Oh Oh, right. Tim Drake, Draper, legendary venture capital investor in Silicon Valley. Right, who also does rap. He gives his speeches. It's a rap song, which is like something to hear. You go, oh my God. It's not that social media song, is it? No, no. It's just as bad, though.

2:04:49 And his daughter, whose name eludes me for just a split second here, his daughter has been trying to do a TV show called Valley Girl, where she gets some of the best guests in the world because Tim, you know. Tim Draper, yeah, of course. Yeah, and so she gets Schmidt, Eric Schmidt, she gets all these heavy hitters on, and then she just blows, as far as I'm concerned, just blows the interview, because she doesn't know anything. It seems like a sweet girl who's pretty knowledgeable about stuff. So she's got this woman on who is, they're going to talk about and give us kind of the rundown of Bitcoin. Oh, wait a minute. You do realize her dad purchased the majority of the Silk Road Bitcoin from the FBI in an auction? Yeah. So she's shilling? Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. Well, let's get the, I guess I should have mentioned that.

2:05:43 Let's get that straight. She's shilling for the old man in some funny way. She knows what side her bread is buttered on. Let's hear a few generalities about Bitcoin so we can all be up to speed, starting with part one. Digital asset to get transferred to anyone, anywhere, any place in the world without any permission, without any borders and without any time delay, really. I look at it like It's a digital currency and it could make just the transference of money from country to country easier. It could do a lot of other things as well. Is that a perspective that makes sense? Absolutely. So the first thing is as a currency. So you can, it's almost like a universal denominator. It's kind of like the euro for Europe, but Bitcoin for the world. Which is so much better. It is. It's so much better.

2:06:32 It's like the euro for Europe, a vocal fry, a little bit of up talk. It's like a currency for Bono. It's almost as bad as Chelsea Clinton interviewing Stella McCartney. Did you see that? No, but I want to see it. Have you seen the calls for giving Chelsea Clinton, Brian Williams' job? Yeah, Brian Williams' job. Yes, yeah, of course. Yeah, all right. Let's go on to of this fascinating. This is great. Yeah, I can't I still have my Bitcoin Good that digital asset and you can give it to somebody else without any shadow of a doubt and that's really worth

2:07:13 What does that mean? You can give it to somebody else without any shadow of a doubt? Yeah, because of these, the records kept at bitcoins are all everyone knows where the bitcoin is. Yes, without any shadow of a doubt. And that's really where the breakthrough technology is because I can give you a $20 bill and I don't have to ask anybody else to do that, right? And there's nothing tracking that $20 bill. That's right. That's right. Whereas for a Bitcoin, I can transfer a Bitcoin to you without asking anybody's permission, but there's a whole network that validates that I have that Bitcoin and I can give you that Bitcoin. What are some of the others and what

2:07:56 Okay, so the $20 bill I can give to you without anybody giving me permission, but who knows that you have it? The Bitcoin is so much better because I can give that to you too, but everyone knows you have it now. That's really a lot better. Well, it's only your hash key that people know have. Hey, if I can pay my rent in Bitcoin, I'll get interested again. That's all I have to say about it. Not happening. No, of course it's not going to happen. Well, they're trying... It just went on and on and on and on with these two dingbats. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. We lose out with 80% of our audience who are all in on Bitcoin. I know they hate our guts for questioning it. People say they stop listening to the show because of our stance. Take solace in that fact. Go listen to the Valley Girl Show instead of us. Yeah, exactly.

2:08:53 Thank you get a kick out of it. At least it's yeah, thank you and while you're at it Then we might as well play the meme fest that is Susan Rice on climate change this woman She must write her own things because I have a clip of somebody that worked in the White House I've been trying to do this and maybe I'll get these Susan Rice clips Susan Rice has a very specific cadence to the way she talks and it's a I'm guessing, and it's apparent that it is contagious because I have a clip of a woman that sounds just like Susan Rice. She worked in the White House with Susan Rice and she now talks like her, which is a funny clipped, lots of pauses, kind of an accent in there that I don't really fully grasp. But I find her outrageously annoying.

2:09:48 Well, yes, I concur. I don't like anything about her. I just very suspicious of her. Me too. And of course, this is part of our national security strategy framework thing steering committee, which we discussed earlier. Climate change is without a shadow of a doubt a huge issue for our national security, international, national, our asset, whatever. But she just wrote everything she says is a cliche. Everything. This right there American leadership is addressing the very real threat of climate change. Does she practice this in the mirror and hear herself? I mean just a cliche after cliche after cliche. It's like she had a PowerPoint with just slides with one line on each slide.

2:10:53 Yeah, like all those hurricanes. We've had these guys come before congressional hearings and talk that saying the opposite of all this and then the head of it, White House mostly, when he was heading the committees, saying, ah, you're full of crap. And then they just make stuff up and they would go on. So, what's your reaction to the White House's decision to close the Senate? How are they going to pay off? I'll tell you. Groundbreaking. And we already debunked that as bullcrap. It doesn't go into play until 2030. The Chinese never agreed to anything. Exactly. Except that they're going to look at it in 2030. Well, then she's not. She's being truthful. It's so groundbreaking that everyone thinks it's great when it's nothing. That's pretty groundbreaking. I guess if you're a scammer.

2:11:46 Bend it down. There we go. The United Nations... Interesting. So here is the actual plan. This comes from Cristiana Figueres, who is now the head of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. She told reporters, I wish I had a clip, this is the first time in the history of mankind These people must jack off to this shit they're saying. They must think they're so cool. Oh god, I'm so awesome. This is the first time in the history of mankind we are setting ourselves the task of internationally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years since the Industrial Revolution.

2:12:33 What that's what these people think they're doing Wow she wants to change the economic development model to what? Well, I say goes Communism yeah, what is this? I don't know it sounds like fascism or give money to other countries and charge for carbon tax No, but these people they believe it. They so believe this stuff. I don't know how you get to that point I Well, is it any different from Alec Baldwin? Definitely not a thinker if you just believe this stuff lockstep. But is it any different from Alec Baldwin and Brian Williams? They believe in, they believe what they're doing. You have to play that clip again at the end of the show. Oh yeah, okay. Okay. Short clip. And then you play Obama being the Muslim, I think that's... Well, it's good you say that. Less than 10 minutes to go. It is almost time everybody.

2:13:30 Let's close out the tech segment. And I think those are the main things that I have that I wanted to deal with today. Hopefully we'll get... Oh, Reggie Love is now... Did you see this? Reggie Love is the President Obama's former lover... Bag man. He would carry his bag... Body man, that's what they call it. He has now signed up and he is going to be working very closely with David Cameron. And he will be, in the UK they're calling him, he'll be chief of stuff. And he will be working... Chief of stuff? Yeah. As in getting stuff? I don't know. It's your words. He will be... Cameron was a Randy boy. So I think either

2:14:28 He's there to keep his eye on Cameron because he's got the goods on him and he's the guy that's supposed to say, remember we have these pictures of you. Or maybe he's got the goods on Obama, I don't know. Maybe he's just there to have fun. Just hang out. I had, I find this, I didn't know he was some kind of political consultant. I, uh... You know, this... That, that's, that... Yeah, you gotta be careful with things like this happening. No kidding. So, like, the Queen Elizabeth docked in San Francisco. Okay. It's normally in Long Beach? Is it... No, no, that's your thing to the Queen Mary or whatever that thing is. It's a museum. This is the new, the QE2, the big giant boat, which I tried to get on once just to look around when I was working at Market Watch and they wouldn't let me on and they acted like a-holes, the cunard people. Oh, that's the shipping... Dirt bags.

2:15:22 Anyway, so meanwhile, of course, the KQED woman is there with a camera crew, you know, shooting on the boat. Am I hearing that you were slighted, you were shined by the Cunard people? They wouldn't let you on for free? I didn't want a free ride. You just want to get on and report on it. I wanted to get on, look around, see what this thing looked like. Perhaps they had heard of your work? No, no, they didn't hear of me or care. He's that asshole. No, we don't want him on the boat. Just one of them on the boat because of Homeland Security was their excuse. Okay. No, no, no, we can't do that. No, no, no, you can't go blah, blah, blah. And of course I have, I carry a grudge of sorts and why not? But I reveal it's not like anyone's going to be surprised by this report being negative. But this bull crap, crack, you know, this is like, okay, this woman's on there and the guy comes on and yeah, we do this, we do that. It's all bull crap in this play, this canard. Dining room for the people who pay top dollar to get on board the Queen Elizabeth cruise ship that is docked in San Francisco this weekend.

2:16:21 We're told the people who get to eat in this dining room pay anywhere from $10,000 to as much as $100,000 to get their ticket. And the appeal is they can pretty much get whatever they want when they come down here. We have Pramod Verma, who is the head waiter here. People who come to dine here get their own butler, is that correct? Every guest dining in the Queens will have their own butlers, every suite. And what sort of things can they ask for to eat? Literally anything. They have a big a la carte menu which serves like caviar, lobster, roast duck, fillet steak, whatever they like. It's a big exclusive a la carte menu for them. So if I came down here and said I want pancakes, pumpkin pancakes, they'll make it? We'll try. We'll always make it. We'll try to make it, of course.

2:17:08 Oh my god, that is awesome! Try to make it. Well, try to make it is not the same as literally anything. I'd like an Oryx steak. You are... You have a bug up your ass about these guys, man. An Oryx steak, please. Oh, oh, we can't do that. I love it when you get pissed off. A-holes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. If you can't get your grudges out, you got to podcast, you got some complaints, you got some grudges, broadcast! That's what a podcast is for. That's what any broadcasting medium is for. All right, well, we should get out of here. We have solemnly committed to keeping the length of our show in check and keeping things for the next episode.

2:18:06 Yeah, I got a couple of things I want to do on Mugabe. I got Mugabe coming up. If you want to throw something out now, we could do one more. I did want to say that I'm working on this Peter O'Bear story, Jeffrey Epstein, apparently this video that the FBI purportedly has of powerful men having sex with underage girls on his island. Oh, yeah, that guy. Yeah. That's the guy that Clinton was associated with. Yes. And so was... Yeah, the prince. Tony Blair. And Prince Andrew. Well, Prince Andrew, right? Not Tony Blair. So what we're hearing now from one of the victims is that the FBI has videotaped and has been blackmailing people. Oh, really? Well, that's what I'm working on. That's what I'm working on for Thursday. Well, that's fascinating. Yeah, could be. Depends on what comes out of it. And, oh, and of course, the Pentagon spending half a million dollars on Viagra was kind of interesting. They hand out Viagra to troops. I didn't know this.

2:19:05 Yeah, so they can rape people. Wasn't that the story in Syria? Where was that bull crap out of Egypt? I think it was Libya. Wasn't it Libya? That was part of the setup? Yeah, they were getting everybody via Agra so they could rape people. Yeah, well, that's not why they handed it out to our troops, apparently. You get eight, I think you get eight a month. Why? Rationing. Young men. Because... Pills? I don't know, John. I don't know. This is just... I don't know. Sell them on the black market maybe. I don't know what the deal is. You see the old generals. Yeah. But that was, yeah, wasn't that, oh, it was good. I think it was Gaddafi and, oh, they handed Viagra to hand out to rape women. And meanwhile, we're actually handing out Viagra to our troops.

2:19:50 Well, we'll have, I'm sure we'll have one of our listeners. We'll find out more later. Okay, the one clip I'll play, which I think would be appropriate because we just talked about this as a breaking story last show that is not going to be breaking for much longer. But this is a clip I have a follow up on the Anthem hack. Ah, yes. And this is the, an anomaly within the story which makes me think that we're not being, that something else is. Okay. Alright. I love this stuff. Today's disclosure of a major hacking attack on the nation's second largest health insurer, Anthem, is setting off alarms about cybercrime at a new level. Hackers were able to crack a database that included records for 80 million people. The cybercriminals were able to get names, addresses and e-mails, as well as social security numbers and income.

2:20:41 hospital and doctor information related to patients was not hacked. Bloomberg News reported that investigators believe Chinese state-sponsored hackers are involved. Oh man. All right now here's the anomaly obviously. If there is medical information, why would they leave that alone? If these Chinese, why do they give a crap? They just steal everything. Why would they leave this valuable information on there? Because it's illegal to get a hold of this information. This information is private and it's probably a misdemeanor to take the address.

2:21:18 and a felony to take the medical information. Why would the Chinese care? This is a competitor who did this. They are the second largest. When they said second largest, I said immediately to myself, who's number one? Who would want this information? What do the Chinese want it for? They don't want this information. A competitor wants the information. Either the biggest, the largest wants it or the third largest wants it. Somebody within the community wants it. The Chinese don't want it. Why are they blaming the Chinese? Just to scare the public the Chinese are after this? No, this is industrial espionage and nobody even brings it up as a possibility. And I feel this was NewsHour, I thought, and I feel, as you know, my pet peeve

2:22:00 You cannot use words like cracked anymore. This is not appropriate in 2015. And you can't just say they cracked a database. No, I believe you should say this is Oracle, it's an Oracle product, they deliver all this. How did that happen? Who's in charge? Who did the implementation? These are the things that need to be discussed. That's a big company. That's a valid conversation. Yeah, it's like glitch thing. So who is, yes, now cracked. They cracked. What is that? It's like an egg. No, it's a database, it's different. You know the funny thing about where the crowd bet, because you kind of know behind the scenes of these things working here and there, is that somebody in the staff is a computer guy. Of course. And he's probably read Steve Levy's book from 30 years ago called Hackers, where he makes the

2:22:51 He says that hacking is the wrong word to use. It should always be cracking because hackers are good people. They're always just kind of hacking around. And the criminals are all the crackers. And you should call it cracking, not hacking. And this never caught on. People still use hacking commonly to mean criminal activity. But there's always some stickler. And I've had it, seen it in audiences. Again, it's not really cracking, it's not really hacking because it should be called cracking, not hacking. And I'll bet you that's where that came from in this particular report. Some guy... Some guy went, it's crack, it was crack, not hacked. Yeah. Yeah, some guy in the staff. Yeah. Well, I like what you're saying. Who would be the number one above Anthem? I don't know. That's a good question.

2:23:42 Is it HCA Healthcare America? Might be. I think they're the biggest. And those guys are a-holes. Oh yeah, they do it for sure. HCA... Healthcare providers... largest. Do you have something you find out? I think HCA is the largest. I think. It comes up as Kaiser. Oh yeah, well yeah, Kaiser. Maybe H, but these are the insurance, well Anthem is insurance, HCA is a provider, not a... Well, Kaiser's both. Oh, okay. It's kind of an insurance. Well, it goes hand in hand. Here's the top ten. I mean, it's vague the way, I mean, I found a lot of sites I can look at that all these phony baloney reviews. I hate these online reviews. You run into them, and the review, Humana, number one.

2:24:39 If you're not gonna count, yeah, Kaiser's number eight. So you think that they were using it for a mailing list? They sent out a newsletter? Yeah, mailing list, of course. They sent out a newsletter. A mailing list, that's how you do it. Hey, your information may have been hacked, cracked, stolen, glitched from Anthem, but we can help you out. UnitedHealth, Aetna, Anthem. Aetna was big. Or on this list. So I don't know what they are. Celtic, Aswan, what? Assurant, Select Health, Kaiser, Cigna, and Coventry are the ones they review here, and with Humana getting the top reviews. And I wonder who runs the website. I use Humana for my, I use Humana for some ancillary insurance, and they do a good job, but they have a kind of a, they have some douchey policies, but they all do, these guys.

2:25:33 When I was a kid, I used to...I was on Kaiser because I'd worked for Kaiser. And I think I still have...I think they gave me a permanent healthcare or something. I'm... John Grayson You may still have it. Go look at your permanent healthcare. It may still be there, John. John Maher It might be. Anyway, that's... John Grayson Well, that's a point well taken. John Maher We don't acknowledge enough of the industrial espionage that goes on between companies, and they'd be more likely to be able to have...why did the Chinese give a crap? about the user list of Kaiser or I'm sorry of Anthem. They don't. No, no, it's just it's the go to excuse. And boy, we haven't heard much from about North Korea anymore that just died overnight. So they did one hack crack of Sony and then they retired. Yeah, they're all done. They did their job over and out. We don't need anything anymore. This is good to go. Yeah, what a crock. Yeah.

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2:28:37 We need to kill them. We need to kill them. Pinch me. One of the ways we succeeded was we just jumped out of the plane and we pulled the ripcord and we just took it one step at a time and we turned around and went next to you now. Yeah, I got this syndrome. I guess I do say to myself and to others, I've got this. And I don't know where that unbridled confidence came from. And I've done some ridiculously stupid things under that banner, like being in a helicopter, I had no business being in Iraq with rounds coming into the airframe. Meanwhile in Washington, President Obama condemned Islamic State atrocities. He told the National Prayer Breakfast, no God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number.

2:29:35 And so as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion. Any religion for their own nihilistic ends. And that's the story. Adios, mofo.