Episode 670 · Wednesday, 19 November 2014

Terrorist Narrative

Global leaders pivot toward a war on narratives as technical anomalies in ISIS propaganda and UN intervention in Dutch traditions signal a new era of managed perception.

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About this episode

UK Prime Minister David Cameron and Western leaders at the G20 summit in Brisbane have shifted the global security focus toward the extremist narrative as the primary threat to stability. This rhetorical pivot coincides with the release of a 16-minute ISIS video featuring the beheading of Peter Kassig, which technical analysis suggests utilizes green screens and Adobe After Effects post-production. The timing of these events, alongside the confrontation of Vladimir Putin over the MH17 investigation, points to a coordinated effort to justify increased military spending and domestic surveillance.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced a new Pentagon initiative for next-generation weaponry while the Site Intelligence Group, led by Rita Katz, continues to serve as the primary conduit for terrorist media. Katz’s recent study on the radicalization of Colorado teenagers via Twitter is being leveraged to promote intelligence services to the government. Meanwhile, the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent, led by Vereen Shepherd, has intervened in the Dutch Zwarte Piet controversy, signaling a broader international agenda to influence local cultural traditions and legal standards.

Technical failures in Manhattan forced a broadcast restart, leading to a breakdown of the best lubricants for microphone boom arms and the importance of equipment checklists. The hosts also explore the psychological triggers of Glenn Beck’s crying on demand and the European Space Agency’s attempt to distract from the Philae lander’s failure by focusing on a scientist’s controversial shirt. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude with a look at the commercialization of tragedy at the 9/11 Memorial Museum.


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CHAPTER 01 / 50 Discussion

Manhattan Connectivity Issues, Podcast Technical Difficulties

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show by addressing technical failures that forced a restart of the broadcast. They discuss the poor residential internet connectivity in Manhattan and the use of mobile hotspots and routers to maintain a stable connection.

manhattan· connectivity· hotspot· freedom pop· podcast production· technical difficulties

00:00 I'm not superstitious. Start the show over. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora And Sunday November 16th 2014 it's time for your Get Monation Media Assassination episode 670! This is no agenda Dodging Jack Frost who wants to roast my nuts here in FEMA region 2 in the heart of Gotham, New York City. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where there's no nuts to roast I'm John C Dvorak All right Well it said the improvement is about We're at about 90% now all right better than nothing. I am running on the hot spot

00:43 Oh, that's funny. Yeah well it was the only thing they suggested is after you... We should explain to people we started the show a few minutes ago and then we had to restart it because of the connection was crap and then somebody suggested he uses hotspot which is a little device that hooks into cell networks and he berated the person! It's different than that there's not quite if someone said hey I know maybe you should try a mobile hotspot instead in chatroom style its You should get a Hotspot I was like, yeah thank you. Thank you very much. You should get a mobile router! Yeah thank you i'm using that too. It's like...I have every combination known to man it's just the what is the word? I'm looking for..it is the hmmm....It's just chat room speak you know? That's how people are in chat room they're like they just think that they can say stuff like I'm a douche. They don't think they can say stuff. No but they do.

01:40 That's why they do it. Exactly, anyway now all we're trying to do is bring you the best podcast in the universe every single time regardless of location and I have to say it's a little frustrating for me when the only thing that is just not stable is the connection wherever you are It's really infuriating sometimes Well, especially when you're in the Big Apple. Yeah well... You think they have good connectivity? Actually I think Manhattan is pretty much known for really really bad connectivity residential... Is that right? Yeah yeah oh I hear nothing but complaints from people in New York City and Manhattan itself yeah it's apparently very hard to get any kind of decent connection here. Well its 11 16 14 There you go somewhere

CHAPTER 02 / 50 Discussion

Ranch Hand Lubricant, Professional Tripod Performance

A discussion regarding Ranch Hand spray lubricant, a product powered by Thermo Lube, highlights its effectiveness in silencing microphone boom arms. The conversation explores how high-end professional tripods use hydraulic damping and how specialized lubricants can improve the feel of cheap consumer gear.

ranch hand· lubricant· thermo lube· tripod· hydraulic damping· microphone stand

02:34 Well, talking about bad connections. Yes? I have... Oh by the way! I want to say this before we begin So i put..I went downstairs and got my ranch hand Uh oh yeah this is your uh WD-40 Ranch hand. I'm gonna tell people what this is so they can try to find it and then buy It's not cheap It's called ranch hand spray lubricant powered by thermo lube, which I guess bought this company and it is the slipperiest stuff ever. And so I put it on on this uh... I have a mic stand not a mic stand but you know big one that gives a floor mat a floor one boom boom arm thing

03:20 Yeah, boom arm. And so I sprayed it in there because now it makes zero noise and can go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. You use cameras whether its a digital still camera or a movie camera. There are tripods out there that the pros use that cost 10 grand or more. And you've seen these things, and if you grab the handle of this thing and pan the camera it's like glass! These things are just astonishing to use. You can go oh it's just a wow! It has got some kind of hyper hydraulic damping something rather in there that makes it really nice. Yeah well its what you know it just feels right. Then if you go do what I do buy like a nice $20 type tripod slightly different

04:05 in quality. I think, with...I'm gonna try this. I'll bet you with this ranch hand, I can turn a $25 cheap tripod into a professional feeling piece of stunning gear." I wish we could turn our $12.95 per day internet connection at the hotel into like a $20,000 line that would be nice. I'd be happy with it. Yeah make sure to get your money back. It's just you're on the little hot spot. Yeah, I am on a little hot spot the freedom pop to be exact yeah i would complain to The hotel said this is no good and want my money back so we're in New York and they will give it back We're in New York here for um A friend of mine-a very good friend of mine his 50th birthday And I thought was a good excuse for us to come to new york and then of course to go see uncle Don which Is tomorrow tomorrow? We'd go up to uh Up to the farm

CHAPTER 03 / 50 Discussion

TSA Pre-Check Discrepancies, Trusted Traveler Status

A travel anecdote describes a discrepancy in TSA Pre-Check status during a flight from Austin to New York. Despite being a law-abiding citizen and trusted traveler, one host was denied Pre-Check while his companion, who had previously faced immigration hurdles, was granted expedited screening.

tsa· pre-check· austin airport· trusted traveler· boarding pass· security screening

05:05 to go see him. And first of all, let me point out this trip started off on the wrong foot. Oh good! Yeah uh on the way to the so it's we had an 815 flight from Austin and I want to print out the tickets the night before and i already see them but this is not good...I'll just i'll go get them at the airport because for some reason yeah TSA decided um yeah no Miss Mickey The Foreigner Now she can have pre-check, but you can't have pre-check. What? Yeah they do this from time to time yeah so the side of the two people traveling uh... The one who has been um let me see deported from the country The one who has been flagged consistently stopped from a fluid entry reentry into the country No she's good to go Take the law abiding tax paying citizen

06:03 and deprive him of pre-check. And we're... You couldn't get a boarding pass? No, I got a boarding pass but not with the pre-check qualifications on it. Oh yeah well that's hit and miss okay Well it should this bullcrap! I'm a trusted traveler! Yeah well what can I tell you they gotta check on you to make sure it's the same Adam Curry not that guy in North Dakota By the way, I want to point out. I said fluid reentry it just like you know that goes along with your your ranch hand and by the way I'm not believe this ranch hand this branding It has porn written all over it. I don't know what kind of it does This is looks like a boy the label looks like some you know they got some guy with a rope They do not yeah a guy with a rope Yeah, that's on there on the label

CHAPTER 04 / 50 Discussion

Ranch Hand Lubricant Branding, Industrial Applications

The hosts examine the marketing and availability of Ranch Hand Spray Lubricant, noting its silhouette-based branding and its classification as a penetrating lubricant. The product is marketed for farm, ranch, industrial, and marine applications, though it is noted as being difficult to find at reasonable prices on Amazon.

ranch hand· penetrating lubricant· amazon· farm industry· marine needs· branding

06:57 Okay, some cowboy looks like he's wearing chap. Hey girls. Yeah. Well Betty is I'll bet he is yeah No seriously Anyway, so did something new and by the way it's called a penetrating lubricant. Oh boy you're bullcrafting me now It says multi-purpose penetrating lubricants Hold on a second I could put this in the show notes is can you buy it on Amazon? No, you have to really go buy it from the source. It's very hard to get. That took me like hours to find out how to buy it! What did you hear about? Oh here is it! You go to www.ranchhandlubricant.com I got right here. I got it right here. It's on Amazon. They want too much at Amazon and that's the problem. Let see an 11 inch...11 ounce...11 ounce a Kuss Magnifiquus Ranch Hand Spray Lubricant

07:52 Yeah, okay. Let me see the picture hmm kind of you can't see yeah There's a guy or the raw like it's an outline silhouette. Yeah It looks like he has it like a whip like a black One of those rawhide bow what is it with? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? All right? Yeah designed for the rigors of the farm and ranch industries Can tackle a variety of household, commercial, industrial marine and sporting needs. Interesting... Okay. Onward." So I did something new while here in New York and- Wait! Stop! You've jumped the story What story? We got through it and we got the other side

CHAPTER 05 / 50 Discussion

Uber Experience in New York City, Surge Pricing

The hosts recount their first experience using Uber in New York City after arriving at JFK Airport. They discuss the lack of price transparency, the 1.3x surge pricing encountered, and the contrast between the app's convenience and the traditional yellow cab industry.

uber· jfk airport· manhattan· surge pricing· taxi industry· mobile apps

08:41 Oh. I thought you said it started ignominiously? Well, this made me very angry particularly because Miss Mickey was sitting on the other side with some woman whose husband had exactly the same thing and they're sitting there snickering! It's because of the lesbians that run THS. We know that, it has already been a scandal! Yeah but Miss Mickey and this lady weren't lesbians together... It's just a general woman thing This is all part of their plan That's why they were snickering They know about it So we arrive at JFK And for the first time ever We try an Uber Oh an Uber in New York? I heard its controversial there

09:25 I think it's controversial everywhere, depending on what side of the taxi industry you're on. And I don't know exactly why I've had this antithepy or... So I've had like a thing about like, eh, I don't know about this Uber and I just never felt good about it. I'd never tried it. I would never even take any of those things they just get on that little train takes her right into Manhattan as fast as possible. Yeah there was some problem with the train because actually we were planning on doing that And there was some issue with the... I don't know. There was something going on, on this particular day or between hours and like forget about it. This is... And I'd never used this app. Of course, I had my iPod Touch so i had to go outside in the freezing cold and turn on the Freedom Pop because as you know, I do not carry a phone. And of course there's a guy waiting right there. And I have to say that it was pretty enjoyable experience! Although

10:24 I have to say there's some, there's one piece of it that is kind of bullcrap. You don't really get a full pricing up front. If you know how the app works, you can click it'll give you kind of an estimate and see... The other night we already got one of those surge pricing so it's 1.3 times the normal price. And I don't think that the pricing is really transparent or that you really have a good idea and it's definitely more expensive than a yellow cab I'm just from my own experience in New York, but the quality of just tapping and then someone showing up at exact moment when the app says the person's showing up and not being some crazed cab driver. Pretty good. I have to say it they've won me over.

CHAPTER 06 / 50 Discussion

Portable Podcast Studio Setup, Equipment Redundancy

A logistical challenge involving a missing microphone mount for a Rode Procaster leads to a visit to Sam Ash Music in New York. The discussion emphasizes the importance of equipment checklists when traveling with a portable podcasting setup to avoid improvised solutions like gaffer tape.

rode procaster· sam ash music· shock mount· equipment checklist· podcasting gear· gaffer tape

11:20 From the airport was 60 bucks, which is too much. Well although it wasn't suburban so I'll give him that at the same time. Oh that's nice yeah. Um...I don't know man And of course, then...and I already knew before even went through the TSA. I should say, I realized you know, I have a complete duplicate set on the best podcasting universe ultimate podcast system. I've duplicated everything except for the actual, um, the, uh, the audio device because that's too expensive to duplicate but I have duplicate wires, duplicate microphone boom and I don't have a duplicate microphone

11:59 because it's real expensive pieces I can't duplicate. And as i'm going through this ordeal, I remember oh! I took the microphone off and I have duplicate cords but I forgot to take the mount off of the mic arm in the studio at home and for the Roda Procaster which I use is a very particular mount with screws onto the back of the microphone So you're holding it by hand. Well, I was prepared to do a gaffer tape thing and i called around...I wound up taking an Uber on Friday to Sam Ash Music who did not have one. I called the importer he didn't have one but Sam Ash had at least kind of a generic shock mount which is this thing's not going to win any beauty prizes because it really doesn't fit so you know kind of tried to slide it over the mic and it's working so another one of those things just like oh

12:51 of all the things I wanted to have. You know how this is solved? Checklists! Right, but this was the first time... you're right and i didn't expect well the whole point is not to have a checklist it's just that I have a bag and everything's good to go. No, uh you're right checklist. I have a check-you know on my travel checklist yeah we've done your checklist toothbrush one of the things you have to have had in the checklist because it happened to me twice Are you wearing a belt? Okay. Twice this happened to me I was, I showed up and here i am in Chicago and I... Look! You got no damn belt! So I'd have, I should have... I would have the bag, I do have a check, I got my uh, I got the D-Star always bring the D-Star with me. And the charger for the D-Star always bring that, you never know what'll happen

CHAPTER 07 / 50 Discussion

Carole King Musical, Broadway Theater Etiquette

The hosts describe attending the Carole King musical "Beautiful" on Broadway, noting the strict "no photography" policy enforced by theater staff. They reflect on the production's storytelling style, which mirrors the "Jersey Boys" format by exploring the origins of famous songs like "The Locomotion."

carole king· beautiful musical· broadway· stubhub· theater etiquette· photography ban

13:45 And so anyway, we're here Friday and we have it all planned out. I had purchased through StubHub which was not cheap but... StubHub! I know, wanted to take my girl out because this show has been sold out We went to see the Carole King musical Beautiful Yeah supposed to be, I think it won quite a few awards Outstanding Musical And I wasn't able to get orchestra in the middle, so we were orchestra a little bit off to the left. Which was okay and... So couple experiences here one uh and i told mickey this he said oh i'm gonna wear this you know honey In New York people don't dress up to go to Broadway shows they're kind of scum

14:34 And she couldn't believe it. Well, that's because it was mostly tourists Yes! Mostly... It's all tourists including us Yeah But you know, she said yeah but I want to... No, so we looked good no doubt about it and while we're waiting um she says oh let's do a little selfie with the uh you know the two of us and then the grand piano in the background people are still coming into theater and immediately is like NO PHOTOGRAPHY! NO PHOTOGRAPHY! Sorry No photography even before the show has started. You can't take a picture of yourself sitting there and the person is yelling! And I guess, I'll say it... A lesbian with like crazy short gray hair like a theater lesbian with the headset on? NO PHOTOGRAPHY! Fuck man sorry. And Mickey's like wow you're a rule follower. I said i gotta tell you I'm cowering in the corner over here this lady scared me. Alright no photography

15:32 Here's, I have to say great show. I'd forgotten how many songs Carole King had written and forgotten about the relationship between her and her husband and Cynthia Weil who of course also wrote some phenomenal songs And it was in a way it was kind of like a Jersey Boys idea where you know The songwriter's life and how some of the songs were born for instance Locomotion You know which is one way going cheap on the production It's totally cheap Actors were great, but here's the thing. We were the youngest people in the theater and I believe that this is a poor marketing

CHAPTER 08 / 50 Discussion

Broadway Audience Demographics, 1964 Theme Party

A critique of Broadway marketing suggests that younger audiences are being missed despite the popularity of the music. This transitions into a description of a 1964-themed high school dance party in New York, where attendees dressed in styles ranging from beatniks to early 1960s greasers.

broadway· demographics· marketing· 1964· high school dance· beatniks

16:10 Oh yeah, right. It's because you're the only people in the theater that actually... Nobody younger than you knows who the hell Carole King is or cares. Exactly! But if you know it's a... If you hear Locomotion, Little Eva, or The Righteous Brothers, all the Drifter songs up on the roof A lot of people, a lot of younger people have heard these songs so the marketing somehow is crap And that's okay, because I don't mind if we're the youngest people. But marketing wasn't such crap that it wasn't sold out! It was completely sold out. Completely? Yeah so then what are you bitching about?! You want it to be sold out to younger people is that what your saying!? Let me tell ya what im bitching about! Can't afford it! Heres the only thing... well young... I'm telling ya, I couldn't afford this

16:58 But, so you're sitting there and all these songs. I'm like yeah, bopping around you know? And i'm looking it's like people's heads aren't even moving! Not for a single second do I see... Nobody is tapping their toes?! No nothing!! It was disturbing and I already got the Tourettes going You know something like that. It was an audience of zombies Maybe!!! I was just surprised how can you sit still anyway I said it was nice. It's been very nice and we went to the party last night, my buddy JB Miller who had another... he was born in 64 so he said come to the high school dance 1964 which i think is a tough one

17:43 It's a tough one to what are you and come dressed like that because 64, you know there wasn't Woodstock. That was 69 so but it wasn't quite greasers 1950s which nobody was the end of the beatnik era So you could have come dressed as the Dobie Gillis beatnik. A few people were, we went more in the... Mickey had a polka dot petticoat and I had the leather jacket and jeans and high tops And there were number of people like that some where completely 70s strangely enough but it was nice party

CHAPTER 09 / 50 Discussion

Good Morning America, Teen Social Media Anxiety

A segment from Good Morning America is analyzed regarding the "100 Likes Club," a social media trend where teenagers feel anxiety or embarrassment if their posts do not reach a specific engagement threshold. The hosts criticize the psychological impact of using digital validation as a metric for popularity.

good morning america· 100 likes club· instagram· facebook· social media· teen anxiety

18:24 And we took an uber and I felt again like I beat some kind of big promoter of ubers that you mentioned their selfies Yeah, sorry. Let's put well it's too late now You might as well play this little clip that showed up on one of the morning news shows mm-hmm? And I believe its Good Morning America Which is the worst of them about 100 likes Club have you heard about this the hundred likes club? No, no I haven't. Joining us now parenting expert Dr. Robin Silverman what is your whole take on this? Well social media Sorry? That should be child psychologist on likes Isn't that what isn't that what i'm playing? 100 likes club Uh sorry oh okay i'm sorry

19:11 It's sometimes it's challenging with the way you like to a spell things or write things in general. I was looking under H, I'm sorry, I got it. Among teens that's right Amy called the 100 club. It's turning Facebook and Instagram into a competition causing some anxiety for many ABCs. Abby Bedro has the story for us 14 year old Kayla can F a snap the selfie. I just think the best one you can put filters on it writes a cute caption. I'll put it out good morning America crew and selfie with Abby and posted on Instagram there's already one Kayla's quest for 100 likes begins its call to

19:57 I think this is one of the zombies from The Carole King Show talking. That's what i'm telling you! 100 or more likes on a Facebook or Instagram post shows your friends how popular you are. Anything less than 100 likes is considered a poor showing, even embarrassing like this pic of the back of Kayla's head she posted that only got 70 likes I'll delete the picture Why? Why would you delete it? Just because I guess the picture wasn't good enough. Her friends are feeling the pressure too! Everyone in school gets around a hundred or more so then just kind of

20:46 Gets us wanting to be in the hundreds. Oh, no It's just not good to you only person who doesn't have it and all of this anxiety worries Kayla's mom if it comes up while we're together I say Kayla. It doesn't even matter a picture of you doesn't need to validate you that's not you That's a picture of you experts suggest limiting your teens time online But for Kayla, that won't be so easy. Who was relieved to report her selfie with our GMA crew got well over 100 likes For Good Morning America Abby Woodrow ABC News Los Angeles You know I thought I thought I was depressed this morning after my conversation with Mickey about the Black Pete situation in Holland but This is reason to move

21:33 I'm telling you, i only clipped this for you. You're the one that brought out the thesis and all of this is just more validation but im giving it a like But what? So they are promoting this hundred like club as some kind of badge of honor...I don't know If you listen to that girl talk she sounds like a dimwit Yeah yeah its horrible Yeah, I got a hundred likes. So...I didn't get 100 likes on my back of my head picture and well you shouldn't! I have to remove this now. I'm gonna take it down. No good. I gotta take it away because it's not good. Well then let me get into this other bit of depressing news

CHAPTER 10 / 50 Discussion

Black Pete Controversy, Dutch Racial Protests

Protests in Gouda, Netherlands, regarding the character of Black Pete (Zwarte Piet) resulted in 90 arrests. The controversy centers on whether the black-faced companion of Saint Nicholas is a harmless tradition or a harmful racial stereotype rooted in the history of Dutch slavery.

black pete· zwarte piet· gouda· netherlands· saint nicholas· racial stereotyping

22:23 It all came to a head yesterday and I believe it is happening again as we speak. In the Netherlands, we've been following this for... it must be two years now This is the Black Pete controversy in The Netherlands Black Pete. We need somebody should, maybe our buddy who does the screaming could yell black Pete! So we got the black Pete and this is just a quick run well you know what I'll play the Euro news clip it probably should explain it although very poorly a lot left out and I think I've figured a few things out on this um what's really going on here

23:08 Dutch police have arrested around 90 people during a protest over Zwarte Piet, St. Nicholas' controversial black-faced companion. Most arrests were made when people protested in an undesignated zone in the town of Gouda. Scuffles broke out at a reenactment of the Saint Nicholas story. Many see the Black Pete figure as racial stereotype while others say it's not linked to race All I'm against is black faces. That's all, no black faces." We're here to say that as descendants of slaves who have been abused by the Netherlands we don't agree that about 300 black look-alike slaves come along here with Saint Nicholas

23:55 Black look-alike slaves. Interesting how the Dutch guy all of a sudden throws out black look alike slaves, it's a point of note here All those people who have a problem with black Pete? It's our tradition leave it alone you have your traditions so why can't we? It's a tradition which is attracting mounting controversy following protests earlier this year Amsterdam's regional court said that Black Pete gave rise to racial stereotyping and ordered a review of the festival. Okay, okay couple things so this is the Euro news report The couple things I have to say it to correct the report a little bit are you still with me John? We're still connected Oh yeah Yeah, okay good Now this all started we deconstructed a lot of this

CHAPTER 11 / 50 Discussion

UN Involvement in Dutch Traditions, Vereen Shepherd

The discussion explores the role of the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent, specifically Vereen Shepherd, in challenging the Sinterklaas tradition. The hosts argue that outside influence and a focus on reparations have fueled the domestic conflict in the Netherlands.

united nations· ohchr· vereen shepherd· sinterklaas· slavery· reparations

24:46 I believe it was...was it two years ago or was one year ago? It feels like it was two years ago. When a woman named Vereen Shepherd, who is a member of the working group of experts on people of African descent and this is only a working group of experts who are affiliated with the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, the OHCHR And this Rean Shepherd, who had everything wrong. She did not know what Sinterklaas was versus Santa Claus and... But her whole mission is to receive payments for descendants of slaves mainly in the Caribbean regions

25:36 which, as you can hear words like black slave lookalikes etc. And what I was to continue so there was a lawsuit the high Dutch court had to or the Dutch High Court had to evaluate if it was legal for the mayor of Amsterdam to give a permit for the parade of Sinterklaas and his Black Peets who every year come on the steamship from Spain. And mind you, Sinterklaas is the St. Nicholas who is a white dude with a huge white beard sitting on a horse with a Pope hat and then he's got a big stick the golden... what do you call that?

26:25 a... uh, scepter. It's not a scepter! I think a sceptre is a short version they call this a stuff in Dutch? Yeah okay big long stick. Big long stick and he's got these peats And of course this is based in slavery, it's from 1600s whatever. Throughout the years people have convinced themselves that these black peats are... they're black because they go down the chimney and that's how they got black face like okay right whatever fine The Dutch invented slavery by the way They're the ones that shipped the slaves from Africa to the New World to United States on the Dutch ships But of course its not a racial thing

27:10 Then it never was an issue until this working group of experts on people of African descent showed up with this Vereen Shepherd. And she started to make a big, whole bunch of noise about it and it keeps cropping up but in this case they had buses of people with t-shirts printed t-shirts on organized bus busting from Amsterdam to Gouda because this is where the good...the holy man lands first And they had a designated area, a shut up slave free speech area I guess. It must have been 50 or 100 maybe it was a couple more and instead of just standing there with their protests, their black pictures with big red do not enter sign on it They started yelling things towards the kids like, little kids like, Sinterklaas isn't real!

CHAPTER 12 / 50 Discussion

Zwarte Piet Niet Organization, UN Racial Agendas

The hosts investigate the organizations behind the Black Pete protests, linking them to various migrant and human rights platforms with ties to the United Nations. They compare this to the parents of Michael Brown being invited to testify before the UN Committee Against Torture in Geneva, suggesting a broader UN agenda to highlight racial division.

zwarte piet niet· united nations· michael brown· ferguson· committee against torture· geneva

28:07 So the parents are like, hey why not beat you over the head? And so they arrested a whole bunch of them. And they all get fined, like they arrested 60 of them or whatever. But I went through this...I woke up at three or four this morning and I see this news and there's another protest like this today. And I'm looking to is there nobody? Is there not a single Dutch publication—I speak the language, I read it quite well—who has looked at who is organizing the bus trip? You'd think it would make sense for someone to do a little bit of, I don't know what do you call it? Journalism. Reporting Yes so it all comes from this Zwarte Piet Niets as in Black Pete No organization which appears to be...I'll read this to you they have here their partners now this of course is in

29:03 in Dutch, but you'll understand quite quickly. The partners of this initiative are the New Urban Collective, the non-profit Holland Will Become Better, the Dutch Council for Embeddement or Improvement of Moroccans, Back to Palestine, Euro-Mediterranean Center of Migration and Development Platform Stop Racism and Exclusion The Soul Rebel Movement The Nonprofit... the Discussion Group for Caribbean Dutch People. The nonprofit

29:45 Think Kabir, the transnational migrant platform. The Commission for Filipino Migrant Workers Platform of Filipino Migrant Organizations I mean this is more of this UN crap that all these organizations had somewhere have a connection back to the United Nations And I think as i then listen to this clip... Any of the pieces of advice in this letter sound more like something you would say. Oh, sorry that's the wrong clip. Forget the clip! As I read this article that the parents of Michael Brown The kid who was killed in Ferguson Missouri where everybody is on pins and needles for this grand jury

30:35 yes or no indictment or arrest of the police officer and others in the police force, that they were invited to go to Geneva and talk to a different department Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. This is the terrorism or the I'm sorry, what was it called? The torture department, the Committee Against Torture and this is the same United Nation's division... Well what do you think they're up to? Why would they send these people from Ferguson there?! Thank you! I think the United Nations at least this division Is out to racially divide everybody

CHAPTER 13 / 50 Discussion

Ferguson Investigation, UN Extortion Allegations

Suspicion is cast on the UN's involvement in the Ferguson, Missouri investigation, with the hosts characterizing it as a potential "money grab" or extortion scheme. They also mention claims by the group Anonymous regarding the Ferguson police force and the presence of figures like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

ferguson· michael brown· anonymous· ku klux klan· united nations· al sharpton

31:27 What else are they doing? There's no... Okay, yes I can see where black Pete can migrate over time and you could have a yellow one called the cheese Pete. You got the rainbow Pete and you got the Pete that has just smudges of black because he went down the chimney Pete And then there is calls for gay Pete, lesbian Pete, naked Pete whatever fine The Netherlands is very good at transitioning and changing itself slowly over time. It's a modern multicultural society, I agree! But this provocation

32:03 directly from the United Nations. And I think there's an overall agenda here, we have no proof on Michael Brown, we really have no proof that his hands were up or down they've got all now this poor family these parents and i think what they divorced them if they're traveling together it doesn't matter What? They're being whisked off to Geneva to talk about how horrible and torture is in America. And now all of a sudden, Anonymous has popped onto the scene and is exposing that every single member of the Ferguson police force is a member of the Ku Klux Klan. I mean come on! There's something going on here which doesn't make any sense. Have you seen this?!

32:48 And you look at the comments and people are all in. There's no question, anonymous well of course they must be good guys it must be all in on the truth I'm suspicious of the overall involvement of the United Nations In particular The office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights I'm very suspicious now of what the heck they're doing. They're causing trouble! They're trying to get money, that's...I think it's a money grab. Hmm. This is just this sounds like uh-uh this sounds like a world class upgrade to the Jesse Jackson scam. Hmm interesting

33:28 You know, where you go around and we think that you're discriminating. We're going to start protesting against your company and call for a boycott." Oh by the way, you haven't donated to our cause! In fact... Here's the check. Okay bye thanks Did Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson go along with Ferguson parents to Geneva? I don't know but Sharpton would be the one who would do it. Sharpton showed up in Ferguson immediately Right right right looking for another way of making more money Let me see if it says Sharpton I think Jackson may have too. I don't think either one went to, went along... Well they're probably irked by that. Yeah but the new if the United Nations is using this as an extortion scheme why would they want two other extortionists in it in the game? They're cutting them out of what's happening! Yeah you definitely cut them out. Hmm yeah so they testified here there's the parents of Ferguson teenager

34:25 What is it? Michael Brown, I've testified before the United Nations Committee. I'm sorry? I'm saying unless they're eyewitnesses what are they going to testify to? I don't know if there's a video... Yeah, I think that they probably did but this was the committee on torture which by itself is an interesting take on at all so anyway so maybe the Dutch aren't paying their fair share that's the deal Or, so the crazy thing is with all the stuff that's going on...I mean if you made it a burka Pete it'd probably be okay. You know? It's fine. Pete in a burka is okay in the Netherlands but if you really look at what they're arguing about... I like that! Let's go with Burka Pete! If you look what people are arguing about, it's so insignificant really in the overall issues that are taking place in the Netherlands and Western Europe in general

CHAPTER 14 / 50 Discussion

MH17 Investigation, Russian Media Propaganda

Russian state television aired photos allegedly showing a fighter jet firing on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which Ukrainian officials quickly dismissed as forgeries. The timing of the release is linked to the G20 summit and the ongoing international pressure on Vladimir Putin regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

mh17· ukraine· vladimir putin· russian state tv· propaganda· g20 summit

35:25 You know, the whole just everything. They're in a financial spiral that they've got people petrified can't talk about it. There's still no resolution on the MH17 flight zero, zero resolution. They still have not released the black box information And of course we got this the other day. Russian state controlled TV has aired photographs... I love it, Russian state controlled TV. You start it like that and you know its gotta be fake! Purportedly showing a fighter jet firing a missile at a passenger plane over eastern Ukraine Channel One said the images supported Moscow's theory that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. Did you see any of these pictures that surfaced all of a sudden? No, yeah no and they've been around we've seen these pictures for I think two months at least and there's no real... it's just pictures. Photoshopped. A crash that killed all 298 people on board

36:27 But the Ukrainian National Defense Council says the photos are forgeries. This fake was debunked within 30 minutes! It turned out to be a very crude falsification The finger-pointing hasn't stopped since July's crash, with Moscow and Ukraine blaming each other for destroying the jet The photographs were published on the eve of a G20 summit where Russian President Vladimir Putin faced strong criticism from Western leaders for Moscow's actions in Ukraine. This, of course is with that's the timing of it all obviously yeah I want to transition to the g-20 stuff that i have good good

37:07 But you got to conclude whatever you were concluding. Okay, I'm just going to wrap it up by saying I am very skeptical a severely and I have family and friends who work at quote unquote respectable publications in the Netherlands Volkskranten Elsevier and neither of them have even taken the time to expose who was financing these groups who are shipping... You ship people in or you bus people in to go protest all wearing t-shirts with the same print on it. It's called being provocateurs and instead they talk about this divide in the Netherlands, oh people are divided bullcrap you're being manipulated and they're either complicit or they're too stupid or whatever the problem is that... Or both! Yes

37:58 Yes, I hate to call my family and friends stupid but you're stupid. And they're not doing their job properly and all roads lead back to the United Nations, this high office on human rights. And I see them doing nothing but including with this Ferguson thing which is...I don't think it's time yet to have anyone testify before the committee on torture. I don't think we are there yet! We need a couple more things that happen So, I'm saying the United Nations is stirring the pot and I will accept your thesis and keep an eye out for the age-old scam of...was it blackmail? No. Extortion. Extortion. Thank you. I'll keep my eyes out for that. Legal extortion not...I mean there's illegal extortion where you hold a gun to somebody's head which is also robbery but this is a scam. It's also not nice. It's not a nice thing to do.

CHAPTER 15 / 50 Discussion

G20 Summit in Brisbane, Western Pressure on Putin

At the G20 summit in Brisbane, Western leaders including Barack Obama and Stephen Harper confronted Vladimir Putin over Russia's actions in Ukraine. Obama explicitly linked Russia to the downing of MH17, while other leaders threatened further economic sanctions.

g20 summit· brisbane· vladimir putin· barack obama· stephen harper· sanctions

38:53 Nothing. Yeah, none of these things are anyone time He said these same characters are involved over and over and over it's pretty obvious what they're up to So the g20 was on in Seoul thing seemed to be just a set-up to her rang Putin And let's play a couple clips The first one is France 24 on G 20 Putin snub and he's got a little tidbit in there with Obama again bringing up the downed airliner smiles below the mountain tension Brisbane has turned out to be a very lonely place for the Russian President Vladimir Putin. The stated focus of the G20 meeting is the global economy, but Western leaders kept piling pressure on Russia over its role in the Ukrainian crisis. Well what we've done so far is a combination of sanctions and I think Russia knows that if they continue down the path of destabilizing Ukraine there's likely to be more

39:50 more of the same. Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper spoke in less diplomatic language, you need to get out of Ukraine he told Putin according his spokesman US President Barack Obama delivered a sharp rebuke during a speech at the University of Queensland We're leading and opposing Russia's aggression against Ukraine Which is a threat to the world as we saw in the appalling shoot down of MH17. Oh wow! Wow, he just blamed him on it Yeah, wow that's what that's and that's uncalled for. That's not okay Yeah, its uncalled for this dead with the black box information hasn't even been revealed and there he is blaming him Wow

40:36 And the funny thing is, they can't...the report was very negative about it. It's always about Putin and I did to show you what to...and we're no fans of Putin for people out there but we just see this as being somewhat illegitimate now they talk about Merkel everybody's against him they wanted him out you know their blame that the Merkel thing was kind of Merkel murky because They didn't have any clips from her and I don't know that she was saying anything but you play this little short clip here which is number two on Merkel, and you see it's vague. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said tensions over Ukraine were hindering efforts to boost growth And French President Francois Hollande almost skipped a diplomatic handshake

CHAPTER 16 / 50 Discussion

Angela Merkel's G20 Stance, Putin's Early Departure

The hosts analyze Angela Merkel's comments at the G20, suggesting she was more concerned with the economic impact of tensions than with criticizing Putin. They also discuss media reports of Putin leaving the summit early, contrasting the "snub" narrative with scheduled flight plans and ongoing business deals like Goldman Sachs' involvement with Gazprom.

angela merkel· vladimir putin· g20· brisbane· gazprom· goldman sachs

41:21 A customary photo shoot with a koala was less frosty although somewhat awkward Oh, yeah the Koala Photoshop. That was great Did you see this now that the Koala picture? I'm sorry yeah Can I talk about who's gonna say Merkel? I want to tell you ever mentioned is going away They said this though you can't hear me. I can hear you. I'm listening The Merkel, the way they put it is as though Merkel had something to do with complaining about Putin. But if you listen to it carefully what she was complaining about was everybody else bitching at Putin but Merkel is on his side in this. Yeah! They're good buds. Just play the beginning of this clip again about Merkel and re-listen to it with it mind that

42:12 Her complaints are about the complaining. German Chancellor Angela Merkel's attentions over Ukraine were hindering efforts to boost growth and French President Francois Hollande... That's it, yeah? No it's you know I am collecting there's a there's actually a great website and I have that I think I've added the feed to the noagendanewsnetwork.com It's a Tumblr blog, I think it's something or other G20. And what they do every day there must be 20 different articles about how Russia is just happily doing business with Europe and with the United States we talked about the Goldman Sachs you know leading their 700 million dollar quick little fund for Gazprom

42:59 And this is, it's all posturing and all I see John is...is this is the war as the new economy. We need to have this Cold War so we can ramp up military purchasing and spending. I mean my goodness! We had... How much more can we spend on this crap? Well here is Well, let me finish this thing first. I just want to get this last little piece of propaganda out of the way which is Defense 24, clip number three and this is where they tried... Now apparently Putin did... The thing is over and Putin gave a press conference and blew out of town he was always scheduled they tell you this but they don't present it properly presented as though Putin got... The way it makes it sound when you hear this clip Putin got

43:48 fed up with all this criticism about him and being snubbed, they wouldn't shake his hand and all the rest of it. He just left in a huff! We don't know for sure that he did actually leave too early because he was scheduled to fly out, be one of the first to fly out but he certainly did give a press conference before the Australian Prime Minister has had a chance to release the communique which should have been done about half-an-hour ago obviously has been delayed and during that press conference Putin said well, you know we've had cooperation here in Australia but it has been difficult in some areas. You know but we had this revelation yeah so obviously bullcrap

CHAPTER 17 / 50 Discussion

Military Spending Increases, Next-Generation Weaponry

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced a new Pentagon initiative to develop cutting-edge weapon systems to maintain U.S. military dominance. The hosts link this to increased military spending in Sweden following a suspected Russian submarine sighting and the U.S. selling defense equipment to South Korea.

chuck hagel· pentagon· military spending· sweden· south korea· high-tech weapons

44:28 We kind of discovered the simplest way to look at North Korea and South Korea is make North Korea look like they're, they got a wack job with his finger on the button. They're going to attack, of course, South Korea would be the first one to go. And with the knowledge that the United States is moving out of the defense role for South Korea in 2015 we're selling all this stuff to them a billion dollars here, a billion dollars there. You know get to get a couple of patriots and that's just ramping up with this Putin thing with the knowledge that... So for instance Sweden they were you know there was this big news oh we've got this Russian sub never found the sub no proof of it whatsoever what is Sweden doing? They're increasing their military spending! We need better submarine tracking equipment how obvious is that

45:20 Then we have Hagel, unfortunately I haven't been able to find any video slash audio of it but he did a keynote speech at the 2014 Reagan National Defense Forum and in this keynote speech Some quotes, the Department of Defense is undergoing a defining time of transition. We face a reshaping of our enterprise by a fiscal environment this is of course all about the increases in spending from the so-called sequestration plagued by budget uncertainty and a large decline in resources and by an historic realignment of interest and influences around the world ie Putin

46:02 And here it is, we face the rise of new technologies national powers and non-state actors as well as sophisticated deadly and often asymmetric emerging threats ranging from cyber attacks to transnational criminal networks and persistent volatile threats. We have faced for years and his entire speech is about defense innovation so the White House on whitehouse.gov Announces push for next generation of high-tech weapons. This is all this in the same day US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has announced Pentagon will push into cutting edge technologies developed to develop new weapons The u.s Will pursue an ambitious program to identify and develop new weapon systems based on cutting edge Technologies in a bid to maintain its dominance It's so obvious

CHAPTER 18 / 50 Discussion

David Cameron on Terrorism, Extremist Narratives

UK Prime Minister David Cameron addressed the G20, dismissing poverty and foreign policy as root causes of terrorism. Instead, he identified the "extremist narrative" as the primary threat, which the hosts interpret as a justification for a broader crackdown on free speech, including blogging and podcasting.

david cameron· g20· terrorism· extremist narrative· free speech· radicalization

46:59 And you throw a couple cyber things in there, which I actually have been...I have a little cyber segment which i want to do after we thank some people. But first let me play for you Cameron's piece of Cameron speech from the G20 this is the prime minister of the United States of Gitmo Nation East and he is going to tell us Where terrorism comes from? Can you, do you have any thoughts on the underpinning reasons, the underlying basis for terrorism?" Well it could be from disgruntled subway workers.

47:44 Yeah, that's uh but I'm thinking a little more broadly. So some would say maybe Poverty is one of the old-fashioned poverty yeah poverty Poverty is one debunked it's not poverty okay radicalism That's where most of this is coming from for from the perspective of these crackpots So, besides poverty which by the way is... Poverty is exactly what I think was Ben Rhodes. The guy who did counterterrorism for Obama he wrote this paper or the book and there's a poverty was one of the main reasons for radicalization and the other one is you know this is a typical and hey! You're invading my country

48:32 Right? That's sometimes a reason. That would be a problem, yes Yeah like hey get the hell out of my country man you know that's another one All of these debunked by Mr.. Cameron and it's very obvious We're gonna hear from him where terrorism really comes from but as well as wait a minute stop Can I make one last guess okay Putin no No You don't get to win on that no It's even better in fact you'll find that you and I could actually be to blame for terrorism if you listen closely. But as well as dealing with the consequences of this threat, we also have to address its root cause. Root cause? And let us be frank it's not poverty It's not poverty... Do you have a pen? Okay Can you cross that off the list? I got my pen out and ready Is it the pen that I advised you to purchase

49:33 It's your own pen. Oh, no I forgot to get that pen. That's right okay so it's not poverty though of course our nations are united in tackling deprivation wherever it exists oh so we're actually...not only is it not poverty we're all over that We're on top of the poverty issue! It's not exclusion from the mainstream. You know? It's not being marginalized and not exclusion from the mainstream okay Of course we have more to do, but we are both successful multicultural democracies where opportunities abound. Everything's good! Multiculti... everybody is involved hold hands tell secrets kumbaya that's not it

50:12 And it's not foreign policy. It is not foreign policy! It is not at all going in and grabbing oil and minerals, kicking Chinese out... whatever. Working with Saudis, Qataris- that's not it. Now I can show you examples all over the world where British aid and British action have saved millions of Muslim lives We're saving Muslim lives This is what we- Not just America But the United States of Gitmo Kingdom, United East. Saving Muslim lives! So that's not where it comes from? From Kosovo to Syria. But that is not actually the real point. Ah! Here it comes... In our democracies we must never give into the idea that disagreeing with a foreign policy in any way justifies terrorist outrages. No, the root cause of the challenge we face is the extremist narrative. There it is. Extremist narrative

51:09 It is the narrative of the extremists. So we must confront this extremism in all its forms? That's right, podcast! Get rid of them! Extremist narrative that literally... What does that even mean?! It means these speeches, the form of speech that speaks of terrorism. It's free speeches what they're going after. This is one of our themes of our... We have to talk about this on The Christmas Show The clamp down on free speech is everywhere. Yeah, and he said in all its forms, which is blogging podcasting... In fact I think it should be thinking

CHAPTER 19 / 50 Discussion

No Agenda Producer Donations, Executive Producer Credits

The hosts acknowledge the financial support of the "No Agenda" producers, including a posthumous knighthood for Tom Kumbhara. They thank specific donors from Australia, Denmark, and the United States, while noting a recent "doldrums" in overall donation levels.

no agenda· donations· executive producer· sir snorkel· martin anderson· copenhagen

51:58 Well, 1984 was written about the UK. No kidding! Well with that for as long as it lasts John I'd like to thank you for your courage in protecting free speech and say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak In the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. And in the morning to all of our human resources there in the chat room which is still a free speech zone although I don't know it could turn at any minute. I'd rather shut him down

52:36 in the morning to our artists 20 watt bulb provided the art for episode 6 soixante-neuf and we appreciate that always looking forward to what the artist bring us today's episode six seven zero six hundred and seventy episodes of The Best Podcast In The Universe with every single one a best album art in the universe now that said Producer-wise, I think we're not doing so great. Now we're having a slow period By the way also want to thank Martin JJ for the art in the newsletter Sir We do have one executive producer and four associates to thank up for show 670 including those topping top topped off by center it on uh-huh

53:26 I've got his, I guess. Oh that's not his theme. In the morning gentlemen and clothes, please find a donation that should be enough to complete Tom Kun Kumbhera's the posthumous knighthood. Oh wow Please send Angela and her family some no agenda karma. That is very cool. Oh fantastic well you've done Angela's wish he has done within three episodes which is fantastic You've got karma. Well it's very nice will be nighting him later posthumously first posthumous knighthood I think

54:17 Yeah, I believe so. Shane Peden in Cartersville Georgia 26439 Now did we not already do this donation on the last... Look and I've been getting small amounts for years my donation is full circle of knighthood yeah i'm pretty sure because we said happy birthday get back in well I think what happened was his donation was late for the Thursday show but we did want to say happy birthday to his daughter. And he we got all that in, yeah so good? So we actually have three associate executive producers for this show. Now, yeah we're down one associate executive producer so we only have three now Sir Snorkel in North Lakes Queensland Australia donation for sir snorkel while putting up with the G20 fighter jet oh that's interesting yeah putting it would g-20 fighter jets at 730 in the morning thank you very much

55:15 wants a call out to Ultraman in Pittsburgh, recently hit him in the mouth. He's loving it now! Uh, Ultraman the douchebag clock is now ticking. DOOCHEBAG! Thank you sir Snorkel. Rob Van Dyke and Erpin Holland 2222 keep up the good work I'm drunk and love ya guys We need more drug donations Yeah, we haven't had any recently. Well we have a few... for all we know they're all drunk. Martin Anderson Copenhagen V 5th Copenhagen five it must be in the district or something and Denmark $200 so he had one guy from the United States and then an Australian Dutch and Danish guy and he says he's applied for a CIS admin job in Switzerland would like some job karma

CHAPTER 20 / 50 Discussion

Show Financial Doldrums, Value of Cynicism

A discussion on the current decline in show donations explores whether the audience is experiencing financial hardship or "truth fatigue." The hosts argue that their brand of cynicism provides listeners with the mental tools and "punchlines" necessary to navigate a depressing news cycle.

donations· value for value· cynicism· truth· podcasting· dog days

56:12 Have a great one, Sir Martin and Copenhagen. Also, noagendashow.com and noagenadination.com both have buttons you can click on which takes you someplace in the doll's eyes list. This is one of those rare occasions even when your newsletter pretty much spelled it out and just said this has been one of the worst weeks in modern history for the show

56:58 Yes, as a matter of fact if we go back five years We were doing better on these Sunday shows than then we've been doing and I think people are just either broke Maybe they could be it could be broke. Yeah or their, although we have a lot of students who are broke that donate so it's not much of an excuse. I don't know it just maybe there's the doldrums? I'm not sure, could be the news itself. Maybe shows become depressing. We're always making excuses. It's the dog days of summer! What do you call that in the winter? Exactly. Well the dog days of summer are actually...I'm sorry but the dog days of summer which really is August

57:39 This is this little streak that we're going through here as an uncommon. I don't remember this last year. I have to look at the numbers so i could be wrong there must be something they could just be um, I don't know it's possible that people are just so depressed global warming yeah well and also you know maybe people are tired of hearing truth It's fine. You'll have a few people who bitch about it, not many most people think well this is great because I figured this was something and now i feel better yeah and I feel better about myself and I feel better knowing what's going on also there's...I think a lot of people have become very cynical that they uh well

58:23 Whereas I think if you listen to us, we'll make you even more cynical but at least give some punchlines to use. Yeah! You get something... you get a snicker. You get some material. Well okay if your not supporting us that way We'd love for you to support by going out there and propagating our message Our formula is this We go out, we hit people in the mouth Order Shut up Slade

CHAPTER 21 / 50 Discussion

ISIS Beheading Video Analysis, Peter Kassig

The hosts deconstruct a 16-minute ISIS video purportedly showing the beheading of American citizen Peter Kassig. They point out technical anomalies suggesting the use of green screens and Adobe After Effects, questioning the authenticity of the production and the identity of "Jihadi John."

isis· peter kassig· jihadi john· green screen· adobe after effects· propaganda

58:59 I'm just reading in the chat room some people saying that their college days were there financial highlights. Well, that's also possible No, there's a lot of yeah Yeah, people are getting ripped off We got a new video and new video new video new caliphate beheading video from the is oh yeah Eric some guys beheaded again. Yeah, and this is Peter Kassig who was beheaded. And the different format for the video and very interesting... I... They probably take it from a different Turkish movie! It's well actually this one is, it's so hilarious. This is now a 16 minute video. I defy you to find a 16-minute video of this particular ISIS video we will have it in the show notes

59:54 of course. Most of it unusable for the show as it is Arabic with subtitles, except for... and it's really funny so here's this guy It looks like and sounds like Jihadi John. This is the guy who our very own administration is saying, yeah we think we clipped his wings there in that last bombing run with pretty sure we got him not so sure and then low and behold to get this video now We don't know if it's the same guy because it's just a guy dressed from head to toe And I think it's a new black outfit John? Not a crease...I mean this thing is just brand spanking new

1:00:31 Beautiful. You know, I bet you he keeps it hanging while he's in his underwear so when he goes out to perform He doesn't have any creases as an old holly. It's an old stage trick now in this particular video With his beautiful white sneakers that he has What is intended to be Peter Kassig's head on already beheaded between his legs on the ground? I think that Adobe After Effects are quite good in this one and And the green screen is now so obvious. I mean, it's at about 14 minutes into the video and again we'll have it in the show notes... It is just becoming funny utterly ridiculous this video production is here's about a minute of audio that as it pertains to this so-called beheading We're not even seeing the beheading now! We're just seeing ahead

1:01:31 I believe to be photoshopped into the studio floor with a backdrop that you can see the edges of this black suit. It's green screen, this is not someone standing in the desert This is Peter Edward Kasich, a US citizen of your country. Peter who fought against the Muslims in Iraq while serving as a soldier under the American army doesn't have much to say his previous cellmates have already spoken on his behalf but we say to you Obama like our Sheikh Abu Muhammad Al Adnani said You claim to have withdrawn from Iraq four years ago

1:02:12 We said to you then that you are liars, that you had not withdrawn and if you had withdrawn then you would return even after some time. You would return! Here you are, you have not withdrawn rather you hid some of your forces behind your proxies and withdraw the rest Your forces will return greater in number than they were before You will return and your proxies will not benefit you. And we also remind you of the haunting words that our Sheikh Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi told you, The spark has been lit here in Iraq and its heat will continue to intensify by Allah's permission until it burns a crusader army in Derbuk. And here we are burying the first American Crusader in Derbuk

1:03:02 eagerly waiting for the remainder of your armies to arrive. Okay, so what you did not hear because it was only in Arabic and subtitled in this 15-16 minute video here we have a little translation To Obama the dog of Rome Today we are slaughtering the soldiers of Bashar and tomorrow we will be slaughtering your soldiers. And with Allah's permission, We will break this final and last crusade and the Islamic State will soon like your puppet David Cameron said begin to slaughter your people on the streets

CHAPTER 22 / 50 Discussion

Site Intelligence Group, Rita Katz Background

The Site Intelligence Group, founded by Rita Katz, is identified as the primary source for ISIS media. The hosts detail Katz's personal history in Iraq and her history of undercover work in the U.S., questioning if her background creates a conflict of interest in her role as an intelligence provider to the government.

site intelligence group· rita katz· jihadist monitoring· iraq· undercover investigator· mossad

1:03:43 Now, this translation and this video in its entirety are only available by subscription which is how I receive it through one of our producers who... In this case i'm not going to name him because I don't know if he wants everyone to know that he subscribes to us and gives these to us. And so I have the high res 250 megabytes of this video mp4 and I'll upload that so everyone can take a look at it This all comes from the Site Intel Group. Now we've talked about them before, we need to dive in a little bit deeper S-I-T-E The Site Intel Group is run by... founded by Rita Katz and Rita Katz is very interesting and I caught her on an interview the other day And I have a clip of that and I'm not sure how... I can't forget what she was on now because I've had it for so long, had it for a week almost

1:04:38 Initially she was Anonymous in this group and if you go to site Intel Group calm You'll see that they sell their their Intelligence, and they have if you go to the home page Site intel group comm. You'll see that they have two services One is one well how do you spell this? Okay S I T E Yeah. S-I-T-E. Got that? Yes, intelgroup.com. Oh. You see they have... I had dot com. No that won't do it for individual consumers they have the jihadist threats monitoring service or the white supremacists threat monitoring service

1:05:31 And for government and business, they have the monitoring service Enterprise where you can get primary source jihadist media and access to all jihadists videos. It's a bonanza over there! What does enterprise need this for? To protect yourself... I don't know. However, I will tell you a little bit about Rita Katz She is reading from the Book of Knowledge. Born in Basra, in southern Iraq to a well-to-do Iraqi Jewish family after the Six Day War and shortly after Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party seized power in 68 her father was arrested on charges of spying for Israel. It's a crappy background if you want to be kind of clean on what you're doing The family's property was confiscated by the state and the rest of the family put under house arrest in a stone hut

1:06:27 The following year, after having been tortured, Katz's father was convicted and executed in a public hanging in the central square of Baghdad to the roaring applause of more than half-a-million Iraqis. The government offered free transportation to people from the provinces and belly dancers performed for the crowd! Wow what a party Sounds like a cheap James Bond script. Right, and this is the woman who is now helping us catch jihadis. Do you see that there's maybe a little conflict here in the background? That maybe she has an issue with Arabs or maybe the whole thing is bullcrap possible

1:07:08 So she worked for a number of...here's it, in 97 she began working for Middle Eastern Research Institute and as result of her research realized that the Holy Land Foundation was a front group for Hamas. Now this is something we've talked about on the show Wanting to examine it more closely, she attended a fundraiser of theirs dressed as a Muslim woman. You might remember this. Soon thereafter again disguised as a Muslim woman wearing a burqa wearing recording equipment she began attending Islamic conferences and fundraisers visiting mosques and participating in pro-Palestinian rallies in the US as an undercover investigator." So she's got a bone to pick

CHAPTER 23 / 50 Discussion

Radicalization of Colorado Teenagers, Social Media Footprints

Rita Katz's analysis of the radicalization of four Colorado girls is discussed, focusing on how they were recruited via Twitter and "password-protected message boards." The hosts remain skeptical of the narrative, comparing the girls' behavior to typical teenage rebellion rather than a sophisticated terrorist plot.

colorado· isis· recruitment· social media· twitter· rita katz

1:07:48 And now of course she sells her intelligence to the US government and to the media corporations. She was interviewed on this program about the radicalization of these four Colorado girls. Remember this from a week or two ago? And they went off, and they were... They caught them luckily just in time to bring them back because they were all ready to give themselves to ISIS, ISIL, Islamic State and become whores of the jihadis And luckily, Rita Katz tracked them down through their social media accounts. So I figured it would be interesting to listen to this Rita Katz and how she talks... To have a better idea of the sole source, I might add The sole source of every single ISIS beheading video has come from her organization

1:08:47 and she has all the high quality stuff. This is not the YouTube stuff, this is a full on MP4 high quality with great after effects. all ties with their families. You know this comes from the terrorist narrative don't you John? This is how this always happens for these girls. Terrorist narratives and the West Rita Katz, the director of site intelligence group traced the social media footprints of those girls and... Social media footprints write it down baby! Rita I want to talk about the fascinating things that you found but first just tell us how you did this

1:09:40 lot of work internet searches trying to identify the goals going through their accounts and What is very useful here is our jihadi database? Oh the jihadi database? helps I Gotta get me one of those you think that's Oracle or just at my sequel or maybe Has to be maybe it's an access database. Yeah, just like oh previous Twitter accounts that existed because in this report I actually described and analyzed the communication that they had with some ISIS recruiters to other cases of Americans that were also radicalized, showing that they were actually following the same ISIS account or ISIS handlers. Okay let me just get this straight

1:10:31 She has a database and in that are Twitter accounts, and other social media accounts of jihadi recruiters for ISIS. And not just a Twitter account no it's clearly there real people behind this and these are the handlers I tell you so through 140 characters at a time They're able to convince people to come out. And really your report focuses specifically on one of the girls, she went by the online handle Grape I believe it is and you watched her attitudes change what struck you about the radicalization that you saw? The interesting information is that you could see how the girls were transformed from a loving caring totally typical American teenagers

1:11:27 two jihadists who are willing to leave everything behind, separate from their family forever to the degree that they lied and stole money. By the way this happens all the time with teenagers They'll lie and steal money and get on a bus and go try and hook up with some dude somewhere or they'll run away from home Are you still with me? Yeah, yeah. No I thought you got a punchline there Well I was hoping you would jump in there and say yeah! It was alien to me my kids never did any of the above But we've heard stories of this This is not uncommon So she spent her valuable time

CHAPTER 24 / 50 Discussion

Female Jihadist Recruitment, White Paper Marketing

The hosts critique Rita Katz's "study" on female jihadists, which uses the online transformation of a girl named "Grape" as a case study. They suggest the report serves as a sales pitch for Katz's intelligence services, linking high social media usage to the risk of radicalization.

isis· recruitment· white paper· ask.fm· paradise· social media

1:12:15 tracking these social media footprints in order to cut, this is CNN I believe. To go on national media to tell people how dangerous this is We're talking about a goal that a year before that was asked what does the thing that you care about most in your life? And she said, my parents and my family. It's the same girl that a year later was willing to go away marry an ISIS individual, ISIS fighter she never met before and settle in a war zone bringing

1:12:53 a new family to the Islamic caliphate that was announced. I mean, we have to understand that the campaign, the recruitment campaign online is very aggressive from ISIS side they were able to import the war. They were able to import the war here it comes! They were able to import the war from the password protected message boards to the mainstream media. Password protected message boards of the mainstream media to social media, to Twitter. And basically exposing everybody in the West and all over the world to their worth So in this study I describe in her specific case, grape for instance Her online changes... So this is a study and I don't have a copy of this yet She's selling a paper, a white paper A study on how these children are radicalized This is a sales pitch for her

1:13:52 Okay Through her one of the Facebook one of the social media websites called ask that FM and s dot fm is now Remember they were on top of a list of them remember that list when first came out at the first Snowden revelations I think so That site you could see the transformation from being a very innocent American girl to that, for instance one of her questions was what do you want to be when you grow up? And she said and we're talking about only a year ago. She said I want to be in the fashion business and suddenly asked the same question a year later. She said all i'm thinking about is paradise and I hope to get married soon! We're talking again about a 16-year old girl now when we reviewed the social media accounts of the three girls

1:14:44 Three of them had between 7,000 to 12,000 tweets. This is a huge number especially for individuals that are so young that means they have to be online for hours but one of the... I think she messed it up here she should've gotten them into the Like 100 club And she would have had a real opportunity here to show that once you're in the Like 100 club, then your next step is Syria or Iraq.

1:15:24 Admitted online on her their interviews on their questions Great admitted. She said I live on social media I'm always tweeting and I'm always on YouTube And that's really I think that's it spending so much time online You can see they just had such a great level of exposure to these recruiters and they were sort of there To have that time with them, and I would recommend You take a look at it. It's in the show notes, take a look at this... They have kind of a teaser of their white paper. Um... It was really good! The female jihadist living under IS is pictured here and it's a lady in a full-on burka I guess that's a lady with a laptop sitting in some rubble and I guess that's proof that you're tweeting or something

CHAPTER 25 / 50 Discussion

Video Production Skepticism, Domains by Proxy

The hosts express skepticism regarding the origin of ISIS videos, noting that the Site Intelligence Group uses "Domains by Proxy" to hide ownership details. They imply that the high-end production quality suggests the videos may be manufactured propaganda rather than authentic battlefield recordings.

propaganda· video production· domains by proxy· wild west domains· rita katz

1:16:18 And then so I was like, yeah. Yeah. So I am just going to say this is a part of this. There's no other way this is propaganda it's they're the ones that I think are producing these videos She certainly, this Rita Katz certainly has the contacts and the means to do this. These are high-end production we knew that we needed some kind of upgrade selling paperwork selling papers to The government all is proof that we need to ramp up Because Isis is now recruiting our loving teenage girls who only they only want to be ballet dancers And they wanted they love their family and their friends. I want to go to the mall, and all they want is you know The ultimate sacrifice marry the jihadists this bullshit well also the

1:17:14 You'd think if this operation was legit they wouldn't be going through domainsbyproxy.com Yeah, I know...I know Which means there's no details on them They're covering up who is really running this operation Well she was- It's something called Wild West Domains She was anonymous until someone outed her as running this group She was anonymously running this thing So come on! And this is the only source of these videos, the only one. So you're implying that they actually produce the videos? Oh yes I am, yes i'm implying that Yes! Aren't you? Yeah, I'm totally implying that absolutely yeah That's what I-that's what I am thinking if it's just the only place these videos crop up and then they plant them all over the place... And then they take him down

1:18:08 It was voice. Yeah, they got little edits everywhere so you can only see me know one minute or 30 seconds And you're not gonna see the whole thing this it's totally bogus by the way You're cutting up real bad am I'd the same on your end yeah? You suck I'm just gonna say maybe we should reconnect and try something But if you don't wait for you to learn you want to try that well if you want to we could let's do it I'm gonna do a right now okay as well. That's worth a try Because it's so hard to have a conversation when you know, it's just there we go. You there? Yeah Wow, this is great It'll get will pick up while we're in the topic of all this sort thing I've been trying to get this clip This is a report and report of the clip But this is a clip that's got to be hilarious if you could actually find it and this has to do with Isis And as its Dempsey versus The Midgets, huh

CHAPTER 26 / 50 Discussion

General Martin Dempsey, ISIS Midgets Comment

General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited Baghdad and characterized ISIS fighters as "midgets running around with a radical ideology." The hosts mock the comment, leading to a humorous investigation into Dempsey's actual height compared to President Obama.

martin dempsey· baghdad· isis· midgets· ideology· height

1:18:59 I read about this. I'm glad you got it news now and us is top soldier General Martin Dempsey has told US troops in Iraq the momentum is turning against Islamic State militants on a surprise visit to Baghdad The general said the militants were not a force of 10-foot tall fighters But we're instead a bunch of midgets running around with a really radical ideology Yeah, you know Hello, Kettle? This is the bot calling. Really Dempsey... You know I don't know how tall he is you don't know that Dempsey's short He's short come on! He's a leprechaun! He looks short I know we all see him as short but what if you find out that he's 6'2"? Well I'm gonna look right now I was also thinking this cat woman probably not very tall Dempsey No she seems like about 5'5". Yeah I'm gonna say he's well it should be on the Wikipedia

1:19:55 No, well we know it's not on the Wikipedia. What is the high? I want to do a search how tall all is what's Dempsey first name Martin Marty exactly Martin Dempsey How tall is Martin Dempsey this is something the chat room could actually help us with with them a crowd a crowdsourced search Yeah, there's no I don't sing any it's not Wikipedia. It's not in that little Summary you get from a Google and she I but we'll probably be able to find someone You know next to him so we'll get an idea yeah boy he might be wearing lifts

1:20:44 Well, I will retell my story of Michael Jackson when i was going to award him with the Video Vanguard of the Decade Award which forever was now named The Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. And we were starting the ceremony there in his studio in Los Angeles and all of a sudden he stopped. He had to, had this guy come over, little whisper in his ear. Guy came back with a crate and so he was standing on that full apple crate. Yeah. The big, the full one? Yeah. Well it was... he put it on his side though. So it was probably about three quarter apple crate. Michael Jackson is not really- By the way

CHAPTER 27 / 50 Discussion

Height in Media, Michael Jackson Anecdote

An anecdote about Michael Jackson using an "apple crate" to appear taller during an MTV award ceremony illustrates how height is manipulated in media. The hosts apply this to political figures, discussing the heights of General Dempsey and incoming Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

michael jackson· apple crate· mtv· martin dempsey· loretta lynch· height

1:21:33 That's what you're supposed to do. When people out there, and you're watching TV and you got some midget standing next to some guy who is tall it's because they are not doing their job! You are supposed to put the midget on a crate...on an apple crate or whatever they call it. And they usually painted black so that you can't see them. And uh..you can have half of one, quarter one, full one And if you get up, I think they're four inches. It raises you four inches." Yeah that was about it and Michael Jackson not a short guy if you google Adam Curry Michael Jackson You can see the picture It's on the interwebs

1:22:09 And you'll see that he's standing next to me, he's almost as tall as I am. There is a Christmas tree growing out of the back of my head. One of those great MTV shots. Fantastic shot! Now here is a picture of Dempsey shaking hands with somebody on this most recent trip to Iraq and Dempsey at least two inches taller than this guy he was shaking hands with. Oh really? Oh my goodness okay. He actually looks kind of big. Oh boy... He looks kinda big Yeah I'm seeing it too well yeah He's not even standing up straight. Well, here is what we need to do... How about Obama Dempsey picture? Okay, we go with Obama as what 6'3", 6'4"? I think he is 6'1". No no, he is taller than that and by the way did you notice the new Attorney General is another twerpe shrimp! That's what we do best. That by the way is.. That's not the first thing most people said about the new attorney general John

1:23:07 What, that she's a twerp? Shrimp? No. That certainly not. If she is 5 foot it is a miracle! So I think Dempsey...I'm looking at him and Obama...I need to full on shot. If he is 6'2"...okay this is good one. I got this. I think Obama is 6'2". Oh here is a good one. Yeah. He is a good... No, these are at least six foot. And because here's Obama walking down the aisle with Dempsey some other guy and Obama is in the middle and their front feet are all pretty much the same spot. And Dempsey only... top of Dempseys head comes to Obamas eye line. Yeah okay so that would mean the size of Obamas forehead which I believe it i think he's 6'4". Maybe 6'3".

1:24:05 I think it makes Dempsey six foot. Okay, well then he's allowed to talk about midgets i guess that's okay He is the shortest now here's Dempsey standing next to the Navy guy and that Marine guy or though? I don't know who he is big That's a big guy though yeah no he's not as he's not as leprechaun II as I thought he is okay 511 I would be my final answer say that's close enough anyway um uh... on the other hand it's got a sense that he was there which feels like you're getting no donations and more in the

CHAPTER 28 / 50 Discussion

Wag the Dog Footage, Saudi Arabia Deconstruction

The "brave Syrian boy" rescue video was revealed to be a staged production by Norwegian filmmakers, which the hosts use to question the authenticity of other Middle Eastern conflict footage. They also discuss General Wesley Clark's comments on Saudi Arabia and the potential for ISIS to destabilize the Saudi royal family.

syrian boy video· norwegian filmmakers· saudi arabia· wahhabism· oil prices· wesley clark

1:24:51 In the caliphate, by now you've probably seen a lot of people have run this. The wag-the-dog footage of the brave Syrian boy running to rescue the girl which turned out to be completely set in scene by some Norwegian filmmakers...you saw this? Yes, I did. Which of course was propagated by the Sham network and the El-Sham Network and was seen the world over The video itself with millions and millions of views This is completely wag the dog And this isn't more than likely not the only one of this...I'm sure there's bad things happening There's no doubt there But we're just really not seeing any of the real anything that seems real at all certainly not these beheading videos and then a I think they got this from the BBC We've been ever since

1:25:45 General Wesley Clark said that he felt Saudi Arabia may be up next. As a part of the translation of this video, sites are clearly set on Saudi Arabia by Islamic State." That maybe the whole point of the whole thing. What would it... Okay let's if we try and deconstruct that if the whole point is to rubble eyes Saudi Arabia? Well, yeah that would be a start.

1:26:25 I mean the Saudis have a problem anyway because they've created this Wahhabist state church for all practical purposes and it's kind of one of the Salafist radicals styles of Islam that believes that you can't have pictures on the wall and all these sorts of things. And they, you know, you can't use...you can't have photos it's just what we first heard of the Wahhabists are the first group we heard after 9-11 even though a broader range of people, and it was never mentioned that the Osama bin Laden for example is a Sufi who the Wahhabists hate. There's a lot of confusion regarding this but if those guys were cut loose they would take down the royal family even though the royal family has been funding them and most of the mosques created by Saudi money which many in the United States are all promoting their Wahhabist vision of the world

1:27:20 I don't know, the Saudis feel that it becomes like a buffer state around them. So the royal family is buffered by this surrounding Wahhabist community and so they feel protected but if you have ISIS guys rolling in there this could be interesting because then again the Saudi's got a huge army And from...okay, and from a resource perspective we know already that they're the ones that are manipulating the price of oil down which is very advantageous for us but there is a point where that doesn't really work well for everybody. And do we just want to...? The ones who take in the shorts are the Russians. Right so ultimately it's all about them. No, it seems like...right, we're gonna stick with that theory

1:28:07 So, if they're rapidly dropping the piles to screw the Russians like Reagan did we would be inclined to help the Saudis. We would like them to do this sort of thing. Right! Why is it in our interest that Saudi Arabia and Peninsula get rubbilized? Well this is my question I don't understand It's a lot of work and they're already got the whole thing running fine. Right, right but then... No no no! There is no reason to do it. Then why would we have? Okay yeah there's no reason then but still they want to push IS in their ISIS I don't know that find it complicated Maybe just teach him a lesson

CHAPTER 29 / 50 Discussion

US Assistance to Burma, NGO Funding

President Obama's visit to Burma (Myanmar) is analyzed through a White House fact sheet detailing $225 million in U.S. assistance. The hosts characterize this funding as support for NGOs and "economic hitmen" designed to counter Chinese influence and secure regional pipelines.

burma· myanmar· barack obama· aung san suu kyi· nGO· economic hitmen

1:28:48 Cyber for a moment, John. We got a lot of cyber news going on unless you want to take us somewhere else with some other... I do have another one we can take ourselves through pre-break here with kind of an Ask Adam Oh okay is it kind of or is it really? It's not the kind of normal Ask Adam, it's a little different Alright Okay, I got a bank emu says Bonnie move That's for Adam, because you're the one who brought this up by the way. You're not going to ask me to tell you what he is saying are you? Yes! Exactly! You got it! Okay. Tell me what he said I gotta put my head into the right space here okay alright Alright i'm ready her we go I encourage the leaders of Myanmar to uphold human rights I take I uh... encourage the leaders of Myanmar to uphold human rights a strong stance against incitement

1:29:45 Take a strong stance against the excitement or incitement. And ensure humanitarian access to Rohingya living in vulnerable conditions Yes, we have a Burberry condition it's very cold. This is... You got it pretty well except to the end Yeah this is about Burma Which by the way, Uncle Don consistently says Burma. He refuses to say Myanmar there's some... Let it be Burma again! Yes and we did I have it here this is under the freedom and democracy heading in the show notes So our president Obama had a press conference with Aung San Suu Kyi

1:30:29 And we have a fact sheet from the White House. I do like the openness, not that anyone reads this except me, I think...I don't know who else reads this stuff? The fact sheet US assistance to Burma. Now, we know that the Chinese are all over Burma there's a pipeline that runs right through that area which they're trying to take over blow up get rid of And we have now proclaimed assistance which reflects the US government's goal of supporting Burma's democratic and economic transition. Economic hitmen! Since 2012, the US government has provided over $225 million in assistance to Burma... What is that? Dropping the bucket?! We're doing 30 times that for stupid Ebola

1:31:18 In fiscal year 2014, United States provided over 150 million. That must just be payoffs to someone... What can you do with $150 million? David Strock Nothing! Not the way they spend money. You can maybe rent a car." This is nothing. Let's see. Democratic... what is it? National reconciliation so our assistance builds networks of cooperation and understanding... Oh NGOs With Burma's diverse citizenry and strengthens processes for peace and national reconciliation. Oh, here it is! U.S.-funded programs have increased the conflict mitigation capacity with 35 local partners. NGO funding ladies and gentlemen. Democratic institutions number two on the list. US assistance builds the capacity of democratic institutions NGOs

1:32:15 In the last year, the U.S. government provided assistance to over 300 civil society organizations throughout the country! Freedom and democracy coming your way Burma!" Good luck How disgusting is that? And why aren't we in Burma with an NGO? Why aren't WE you and me? Yeah getting some of that money Uncle Don lived in Burma too for a while it's in his book Pot Shards You'll have to ask him So you read the whole book Of course I did Mickey read the whole book yeah absolutely I haven't gotten through it US assistance provided clinical services, US funded programs have reached over 20,000 individuals. That's for HIV emergency food assistance Peace Corps regional cooperation." Yeah I'd say this is a lot of economic pre-economic hitman stuff then really seems almost like a waste other than some posturing for a measly $400 million dollars for the president to go show up for some press conference but okay. Yeah let's take him out her

CHAPTER 30 / 50 Discussion

Producer Credits, Global Donation Sources

The hosts read credits for producers who donated specific amounts, including "palindrome" donations. They note contributions from Mexico, Croatia, and Switzerland, while briefly discussing the lack of mainstream media coverage regarding the current political unrest in Mexico.

no agenda· donations· palidrome· mexico· croatia· switzerland

1:33:22 Well, all of them. It's a breakup. Yeah it's a her. Okay then I think we should... We do have a few people to thank for show 670. Nice connection by the way that's lovely now Yeah, well you know these things are flaky. So now I sound normal. Let's start the show over ready? Get it! Okay Adam Curry John C DeVore I'm not gonna do that We could we could actually do that No Christopher Dolan in Berlin Connecticut want to thank him for bringing in $111.11 Also Mac Tank in La Jolla California

1:34:16 101 dollars and one cent. This is what a Mac tank calls the palindrome 101 Helen drone drone Karma to the hosts and donors who put that at the end We also have a job car for some guy who's just needs it desperately I'll line it up Did you get that notice? Yeah Do you need do I need to get it well, you should find out why I'm reading these names okay Caesar gray and zap open zip open Jalisco Mexico Thank you for your courage. One of the two people from Mexico listens to the show here with my second donation, just a small token of appreciation. You want some karma house buying current put that at the end we were taught we need information from you Cesar

1:34:57 Also, by the way we did get a couple...one note from one of our contacts down there who says that something's going on right now. That is needs some discussion because according to everyone we're the only ones who have mentioned what's going on in Mexico. The mainstream media doesn't want to discuss it It's right on our southern border. So we're apparently more concerned about what's going on in the middle of nowhere, all the way in the other side of the globe than what's going on south of Austin. Also but also a couple of notes received from Mexican producers pretty much every single one of them says yeah it's not good here there's not gonna be any coup the military and politicians are all playing together and this is just a mess

1:35:44 Yeah, not much of that anymore. You know what it is? Here's the problem. It's a mess and they don't have the Kardashians or Real Housewives of Orange County. That's the only difference. Well, it's a mess...yeah, it's horrible. Corwin Underwood in Hamilton Ohio $100. Eric Asbury in Brandon Florida 8910. Marsan Zawadsky in Yardville New Jersey I'm sure it's Marchan or something, but he's got Marsan is the way I see it. Ed Zolo in Roostervoor South Australia. Yeah they belated sack of sevens from Ed there thank you! Yes seven for him and also from Marchand Zawadzki 77-77 Von Glitschka in Salem Oregon 75 Andre Schmid in Luzon

1:36:42 Switzerland, 71.43 John Haller in Missoula Montana 69.69 Michael Shoemaker in Kelseyville California 69.69 Sean McCorkle and Arlington Virginia 67 Colin Peterson 67 Bellingham Washington Ned Jeffrey in Dural New South Wales 67 Sir Brian Ferguson Footy Hill Ranch California 55.55 Real Growers in Fort Collins Colorado 5510 double niggles on the dime or does he wants a He wants to hire the creative work consulting group to point us in the right direction I guess for a good day of growing business in Colorado. They need some marketing advice real growers Okay, we'll work on it. Yes possible. We can help everybody yeah anybody and everybody huh?

CHAPTER 31 / 50 Discussion

No Agenda Financing Model, Value for Value

Adam Curry reiterates the "Value for Value" funding model, explaining that the show relies entirely on voluntary producer donations rather than advertising. He warns that current support levels may prevent future projects, such as a planned "Hot Pockets" tour of Australia.

value for value· donations· podcasting· australia tour· producers· financial support

1:37:38 Francis Lambert in Zabak. Croatia? I don't think we've... Yeah, Croatia! We got it. I think there's a second donation from Croatia someone from Split. Oh and this is uh Francis is going to become a knight today that's right yeah Sir Crovatos Is it Sir Crovatos? I think that's what it was let me check. Crovatos which I think is Croatian something Let me check my notes yes Francis Lambert becomes Sir Crovatos cool I've been the Croatia couple of times very nice place Very pretty women. Mark Cable, Roberts and they all look like Natalie Wood I'm telling you, it's a strange thing. You see a bunch of... It's not like they all look like Natalie Wood but you see so many Natalie Woods. Where was she from? Croatia? I don't know but that would be my guess at some point there is Croatian in her. Mark Cable, yeah, little Croatian in everybody apparently. Mark Cable and Roberts Bridge East Sussex, the one that goes on the dime street inside Jobs, Seattle Washington

1:38:40 5033. The following are all $50 donors, Matthew Byington in Valley Stream New York James Isaac in Wichita Kansas Jonathan King and Gahana Ohio I knew all the city names in Ohio John Campin Antlers Oklahoma Amitav Hadra in Daleville Virginia Josh McDonald in Mount Waverly, Victoria Australia. Patrick Thomas and Petworth West Sussex Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park Alberta Canada where something all exists Ben Lloyd in Denver Colorado and finally Michael Floyd in Katy Texas

1:39:22 which has a train called the Katy, and Chris Frenthway in Milwaukee, Wisconsin as well as our buddy down the street Sir Alan Bean in Oakland, Oaktown California. I would just like to remind people who listen this program perhaps the newer listeners that the way we finance our operation is through pure donations from the producers. We don't call you listeners, we call you producers You're not the product, we're not trying to sell you anything. We are working on your behalf, we work with you and you work with us This has been going for 7 years... this is a dip but we are still probably at about 1% of all people who listen to the program and produce it Who actually supply us with financing

1:40:14 And we need people to step up. It doesn't take a lot, it's not like... I love when people say oh you know I can afford $5 a month seriously? Okay you can't afford five dollars a month okay well uh You may recall that i said to John in the last show I said but have a business idea and for the first time in seven years We remembered to talk about it It's not a bad idea after the show. And we're going to have to do this as a backup and I'm not saying that people, maybe it just broke whatever it is fine maybe they don't like our show? It's also possible...I don't know That's another way of expressing it. I just think people are not participating there easy they're complicit

CHAPTER 32 / 50 Discussion

Knighting Ceremony, Posthumous Induction

A formal knighthood ceremony is held for Francis Lambert (Sir Crovatos) and Tom Kumbhara. The latter is inducted posthumously, with the hosts and the chat room community sending "karma" to his family and arranging for his commemorative ring to be sent to his widow, Angela.

knighthood· tom kumbhara· francis lambert· karma· no agenda· round table

1:41:00 It's like, oh okay whatever I don't have to do that. Yes you do! If we've entertained you for the past...well what is it now? Almost three hours every single episode if we entertain you please you have to support us We will have to find other things to do at this point and i really would-I really wanted to plan the trip to Australia for The Hot Pockets Tour. Yeah no that'd be great I think you belong in Australia yeah but I don't think it's going to happen at these levels of support No no that wouldn't true not going to happen We do have a couple of things we want to throw out there. Let's get it I need a de-douching for Thomas Butterick And by the way, for the question in the chat room Yes This is also entertainment The whole idea is to give you news and to give you something to laugh about It so you...it's not only entertainment but healthy for you Alright what is the deduching John? Thomas Buterick he had some... You've been dedouched

1:42:00 And then there was a guy who's... I can't read on the email. At the end, we're going to give the massive job karma and I just want to mention Chris Perry's name because he's gonna get part of this job karma. Okay. Who sent us a note that it was screwed by Maryland State in some way they talked him into taking a better paying job than fired him. Oh no! Okay, so he wants a job karma couple other karmas. We had in there So let's jobs jobs Jobs and jobs let's vote for John You've got karma. I don't know man, I look at myself like...I woke up at 3 for two hours trying to investigate United Nations and how they're screwing people and dividing nations And then you- I'm disappointed! What am i doing? Why am I doing this? I got a hot wife. I should be doing other things with my time

1:42:58 You, I don't know. You got nothing better to do maybe? No! I got nothing better to do this is pretty much all i have on a Sunday Are you going to twit today? No, no probably next month sometime Yeah so maybe in 2015 if your lucky and they'll let you back on again That's possible Alright please Devorak dot org slash N A So we had a little bit of confusion But I'll just do it just in case sir Shane Peden says happy birthday to his daughter Lainey who turned six but I believe that was on Thursday and I will say happy birthday to my dad Jay Curry turns 75 today Happy birthday from all your friends here at the best podcast in the universe Not that he's listening to this show

1:43:51 Now why bother? Exactly. Why bother? And then we have... Is Mickey listening to the show or is she out shopping? She just came back in, she was out. She had her iPhone with earphones on and listened all the time! Unless she's doing pictures of naked girls with Sir Gene Oh yeah, well Gene is the guy But then she downloads it and listens to it on the plane Yes, she listens He's the only person besides you and I who don't really talk about this show No, no reason to. We already did the shows and we do a little post-mortem. Yeah just a quick one. You have a grouse It's never like hey great job! No that's what post mortems are for yeah it's mortem the word the mortem word should be the kicker right there okay we have two knightings today one very special one so I'll grab my blade there and i'd like

1:44:47 have Francis Lambert step forward and then Tom Kumbara. Tom, I know you're up there thinking about us somehow and we are very proud to induct both of you into the round table of the Knights in the Dames. And hereby pronounce thee Sir Crobaros and Sir Tom Kumbara. Both of you Knights of the Noah General Round Table for you gentlemen Hey Tom, hookers and blow take one for me my friend. We got porn stars in pot! Whiskey and wet wipes, cannabis and cabernet, geishas and sake, bong hits and bourbon... ...and mutton and mead And I would like to make sure that we send Tom's ring to Angela

1:45:27 Yes, Angela if you're listening go to No Gender. She's in the chat room she is not only listening Oh she is in the chat room? Oh yeah absolutely And so this knighthood for Tom posthumously was presented by a number of producers including an anonymous Baron Of course today we also had Sir David Foley Grand Duke of The United States check-in and complete the Knighthood Beautiful Very nice Close the circle as it were I like that. It's really nice really really nice Okay, how are we doing? This has been a strange show well because we have issues Well every show we have issues no

CHAPTER 33 / 50 Discussion

Robert O'Neill, Osama Bin Laden Account

The hosts critique Navy SEAL Robert O'Neill's public account of killing Osama bin Laden, which was featured on Fox News with Bill O'Reilly. They express skepticism about the conflicting narratives of the raid and remind listeners of earlier reports that Bin Laden died of kidney failure in 2001.

robert o'neill· osama bin laden· bill o'reilly· navy seals· fox news· dialysis

1:46:09 We got issues. All right, the cyber... Let me get a little side stuff out of the way. Yeah yeah okay good. By the way I do have something if we want to and i'm going to keep this in you know or you can just keep this and we can do it anytime you feel like but I was listening to O'Reilly and he brought on Oh this is because you don't have CNN This is why you're watching Fox yeah He's gotta do it But he brought O'Neill on The guy who shot Bin Laden Oh, this is the other guy who says he shot Bin Laden. Yeah, the other guy who shot Bin Laden. There's a couple guys that did this. You know it was free for all... But who threw him in the ocean? I have a very long clip that has the entire, with O'Reilly guiding him, the entire walkthrough

1:47:00 Seems like a lot of discrepant and questionable information that would be worth just going through listing a little bit talking about it listening a little bit to see what What because I'd like to get your take on it Maybe we could even do in the future show after you listen to this because this is a very questionable Description account account that's the word. I was looking for there's a very questionable account, and it doesn't seem to make necessarily makes sense Okay, so what I thought was interesting is he shadow it says he shot Oh Osama twice in the head and then after he dropped after being shot twice

1:47:40 gave him the old double tap. Shot him when he was down in the head." And so, the significance of this is only because there's two competing books and they're both trying to compete for the screenplay for the movie? Or what do you think this is? I think it might be that. There's probably some movie rights involved. I know that just happens a lot. Why does anybody care about a guy who was already dead in 2001? In fact, I believe The Fox News Channel themselves reported that he died of dialysis, you know of kidney failure in 2001. We have no pictures of this but I just got to remind everybody because it's so...it drives me crazy when these things are discussed and we overlook this oh we threw him in the ocean because you know we didn't want the Muslims to get angry hey how'd that work out?

1:48:27 Muslims are angry. They'll never be angry again, yeah and then we can't show you the pictures that would be too horrific... And it shows us the pictures of dead kids in Gaza right I mean this is the whole thing these excuses are all self-contradictory okay i'll give it a try though I'm getting to do it now You could do next show I don't care personally It's long but if you want to listen to it just make I don't know what it's... that's why i was wondering how you'd feel about this description as it rolls along. Want to try? Well, I'm okay! I'm definitely in for trying new things

CHAPTER 34 / 50 Discussion

9/11 Museum Exhibits, Bin Laden Artifacts

The 9/11 Memorial Museum's new exhibit featuring a uniform from a SEAL Team 6 member and a brick from the Abbottabad compound is discussed. The hosts criticize the "postmodern" nature of displaying these artifacts and the lack of photographic evidence of Bin Laden's death.

9/11 museum· osama bin laden· navy seals· artifacts· brick· museum exhibit

1:49:08 Alright, well let's give this a shot. The downside is that Rear Admiral Brian Lozzi commander of the SEALs has strongly criticized Mr O'Neill saying he violated SEAL protocol about talking about the operation that he should not have done that here now is Robert O'Neal first of all why did you go public? You knew what the protocol was you knew the admiral is saying we had a tradition We don't talk about it. He knew all that Why'd you go public? I wasn't planning on going public with this until this summer when i went to the 9-11 memorial with the intention of donating a piece of...I want to donate my shirt and the flag that I wore on my shirt into the room where Osama bin Laden was living. While I was there, I was sort of on a stage to give an impromptu talk. I started to talk to them Okay okay He was sort of on a stage for an impromptu talk

1:50:00 Well, the other thing is what does he say when he says he wants to donate his shirt and his flag which is a sewn on thing. To the room that Obama was in? Did they take... Osama, Osama, Osama, Osama. Oh brother! Everybody does it I don't care. But Osama, did they take the room out of Pakistan and move into a museum or something? What are you talking about?! They may have. It may be in the George Bush Museum. No no, would be the president with him now. I don't know, but I have no idea. And first of all protocol? Why were neither of these guys on the helicopter that got shot down?" Well you know that story seems to...I mean what happened to those guys?! That whole helicopter story was it came and went! There was no helicopter nobody was in. That's a helicopter story still is annoying yeah

1:50:53 As I was talking, I was looking at the audience. No dries in the room One woman in particular told me that I didn't close a chapter on the worst thing that's ever happened and she wasn't afraid anymore So you believe by coming forward That the pain experienced by people who lost loved ones on 9-11 And the entire country Would be assuaged a little bit Because you... No! Stop Show me the picture of the guys blowed up head or show me the picture if you throwing them in the ocean Show me something other than two guys competing with a book deal Sorry, and O'Reilly screw you too could tell by the way if you listen to this carefully I want to see if you can find it. I mean I it's it's easier to spot

1:51:38 on the television. But there's a huge, massive cut where they cut out some of it... I heard a couple edits about that. Oh, there probably has been edited down but there is one spot where its just like wow what the heck was in there? Anyway onward Hold on a second Is it not that the Osama room is in the 9-11 museum How sick are we? That IS sick Museum unveils exhibit exploring raid oh hold on a second Im getting sick of this I'm looking now. Oh, a new exhibit includes this uniform and shirt from a Navy SEAL Team 6 member! Now there you go... The 9-11 Memorial Museum has opened the new exhibit focusing on the search for the ultimate killing of Osama Bin Laden You know what? I can't listen to this. I'm sorry. I think i'm getting very mad A coin donated by a CIA operative who pursued him And a brick from bin laden's compound in Pakistan

1:52:35 Is this what we've come to in America? It's the brick house, everybody. There is a brick and we put it in the museum and so we go to mourn. It's very postmodern. I mean, the first ideas of this was that...I forgot if it was a toilet or something like that but I think it was in the 50s-60s when the idea should take just some piece of crap and you put a frame around it now as art. So anything, a dog turd. You know the duck whistle, duck call... The brick from Bin Laden's compound in Pakistan has been at the 9-11 Museum since May. The exhibition contains photographs as well including one of President Barack Obama and members of the national security team in White House Situation Room on May 1st! But that's the picture with Hillary? Yeah let me see what else now here's the question I have it

1:53:24 It seems to me that they're not taking advantage. I mean, the U.S. Mint and the post office know how to do this. Why didn't they tear down that whole thing? Take all of the bricks... Adamous- Like the Berlin Wall. Lawrence- Take the bricks right and sell every brick for a thousand bucks. They would have sold out in bricks. You know what? I wouldn't but I think a lot of people would have bought them. Those are brick from Osama's compound. I think people, you know a lot of businessmen Silicon Valley types people who buy...you know Bill Gates has a huge piece of the Berlin Wall about the campus and Microsoft that i think it is a money-making opportunity they just passed on and this we don't know where this brick came from as a citizenry and this is global this is not particular to America It's the same in The Netherlands

CHAPTER 35 / 50 Discussion

Commercialization of Tragedy, Public Grieving

The hosts compare the sale of Berlin Wall fragments to the potential commercialization of artifacts from the Bin Laden raid. They argue that the public is being pacified with "trivial tokens" and "militarized opening ceremonies" instead of receiving transparent answers about events like the MH17 crash.

berlin wall· mh17· grieving· tokens· propaganda· education system

1:52:35 Is this what we've come to in America? It's the brick house, everybody. There is a brick and we put it in the museum and so we go to mourn. It's very postmodern. I mean, the first ideas of this was that...I forgot if it was a toilet or something like that but I think it was in the 50s-60s when the idea should take just some piece of crap and you put a frame around it now as art. So anything, a dog turd. You know the duck whistle, duck call... The brick from Bin Laden's compound in Pakistan has been at the 9-11 Museum since May. The exhibition contains photographs as well including one of President Barack Obama and members of the national security team in White House Situation Room on May 1st! But that's the picture with Hillary? Yeah let me see what else now here's the question I have it

1:53:24 It seems to me that they're not taking advantage. I mean, the U.S. Mint and the post office know how to do this. Why didn't they tear down that whole thing? Take all of the bricks... Adamous- Like the Berlin Wall. Lawrence- Take the bricks right and sell every brick for a thousand bucks. They would have sold out in bricks. You know what? I wouldn't but I think a lot of people would have bought them. Those are brick from Osama's compound. I think people, you know a lot of businessmen Silicon Valley types people who buy...you know Bill Gates has a huge piece of the Berlin Wall about the campus and Microsoft that i think it is a money-making opportunity they just passed on and this we don't know where this brick came from as a citizenry and this is global this is not particular to America It's the same in The Netherlands

1:54:12 You know, you have a plane full of Dutch people shot down. There's no answer if there's no black not even a black box or some bull crap report, preliminary report. We have not one we have...we put CNN does a live procession of body parts in coffins everybody's all it's a day of mourning then we do another we just had another day of mourning oh and we have beautiful talks by our ministers and meanwhile the whole everyone's psyche shuts down and we accept these little trivial tokens of bullshit that are supposed to make you feel better about the travesty that took place, which was really value the lives of these people at lower than whale shit. And it's exact same thing with this. No, but oh yeah and we have this memorial and we have this building I look at this building and it represents strange things to me. If now we have this memorial put a brick in there and a flag and you know

1:55:10 We'll have militarized opening ceremonies for every football game. We're pathetic that we allow this to happen." It really, it truly is sad that we take these little trinkets and little tokens as...that we should accept as of this will close the book on the grieving It's pathetic. No one stands up anymore and just... this is, you know do they even? We do! Do they- well but we're older. Do they even teach kids about the emperor's new clothes in class or is this book ever read anymore? I doubt it. I doubt it too. Someone just needs to stand up and say oh I'm sorry uh this is utter bullcrap. This is really really unacceptable bull crap that is taking place here

1:55:56 We have some kids listen to our show that do that in their high school. They end up in detention I was gonna say they get shut down Hey, that trouble maker that kid clearly is on the spectrum the autism spectrum needs help Yeah, I will listen to this give him some drug dude Would you mind if I'm just gonna get very angry? I don't think it's helpful for me Tell you what, I knew you wouldn't get through it But I tell you why let's go one more little thing where he really irks you use start shutting down there Okay All right Just keep going from here yeah Look, we got him. Oh it's done! Look look we got him We've got the guy behind us that's essentially it That's essentially it 90 minutes in a helicopter you go from Afghanistan into Pakistan You know what you're going there for? You land in the compound The helicopter crashed Laden's compound Get off the helicopter and you go into the compound He is forgetting the whole crash part What happened to that? First thing he saw

CHAPTER 36 / 50 Discussion

Robert O'Neill Interview, SEAL Protocol

Further analysis of the Robert O'Neill interview focuses on his description of the "methods of entry" used during the Bin Laden raid. The hosts compare the lack of actual mission footage to the high-action commercials for video games like "Call of Duty."

robert o'neill· bill o'reilly· navy seals· methods of entry· helmet cam· call of duty

1:56:50 Well, the first thing I saw in the compound was looking up at the actual house that i've been studying for so long And the first thought was wow this is some navy seal stuff. This is this is so cool that i'm here Oh okay done This is the way people talk about uh landing on the meteorite You see, this is the fantasy that we play into. Oh, it's Meteor- no, The Comet! The comet? I'm sorry... Oh this is so cool! We're landing on- who gives a- oh! So cool! This is mankind! We're advancing science! Alright, so you were prepared to go in because you had done so much research. But when you get in the door what's the first thing you see? The first thing I saw was a long hallway with doors on either side leading into rooms and then at the end of the hallway was another door that two of them... It was an asteroid actually it wasn't asteroid John not a comet No they landed on a comet! It's asteroid

1:57:43 Was it Comet? Yes. You sure it was a comet? Yes, I've got clips for it... Go on No! Not gonna play any comic clips My fellow teammates were using methods of entry to try and breach the door Did you hear anything? Methods of entry what does that mean? I'm stopping this I can't do it I can't do it Methods of entry Okay, you could stop it It's fine Well I don't understand the point of them doing this I'd like you to listen to it though I will Now I will. Because there's, but i still think there's something in here that you would find that I didn't find... That's why I want you to listen to it! The whole thing? Yeah, that I hate the whole thing?!

1:58:23 I would like proof that the guy is dead. I'd like...I think we can handle as a society, we can handle some photos of something that really looks like the guy. I think we can handle the video The helmet cam. I think we can handle it. I think were grown up enough. I think you could do this now. I'm seeing commercials for Call Of Duty now on PlayStation There's already gruesome. There's more action in the commercials for Call of Duty and PlayStation than I'm ever gonna get about this whole this whole episode! I want to divert you now to play the update of The Comet Lander so we know that, think about this comet thing... You haven't touched on this? This thing even

CHAPTER 37 / 50 Discussion

Rosetta Mission, Philae Comet Lander Failure

The European Space Agency's Philae lander mission to Comet 67P is characterized as a "fail" after its anchoring harpoons failed to fire, causing it to bounce into a dark crevice. The hosts discuss the limitations of the 10-year-old battery and transmitter technology used in the spacecraft.

rosetta mission· philae lander· comet 67p· esa· harpoons· space exploration

1:59:08 started 10 years ago and they were so proud of themselves. Essentially the thing is a fail! Yeah, you know I'm so sad that you can't be on Twit today because this would be...this is exactly what we need to say. From what we know the lander descended as planned to the surface of the comet it obviously settled because signals sent back to earth confirmed that but from But for some reason the harpoons meant to hold the spacecraft down did not fire. And there's so little gravity, the lander needs to be anchored So it drifted up and away from its original landing zone into terrain that seems to be far more risky

1:59:50 Here at Mission Control they face a really awkward choice. They could try to spring the lander free from its tight spot and move it to a better place, but that would risk damaging it or worse just flinging it off into deep space Okay, I did some research on it. The thing bounced around and fell into a hole or something and there's no light so the batteries are going to go dead and they don't know what to do And meanwhile this is like...it's just a fail! All they had to do was these legs that had these harpoons Well i've heard harpoons, screws, whatever they were they didn't work Well I was mainly interested in the transmitter portion Remind you this technology from 10 years ago

2:00:34 And I really wanted to understand how they were sending these high definition images back down to Earth. Yes, there are S-band transmitters and they are actually quite high capacity even with...I think this thing is doing one or maybe two watts and you need a really big sizable dish and it has...you know there's a lot of...it was interesting to me this part of the exercise And then you can send, you can send like a gigabyte in a couple of minutes of data. But this is 10 year old technology... The size and weight ratio seems challenging at best and really the battery technology is what has me troubled most about all of this because I'm skeptical enough to say great okay now I see a shot of Iraq

2:01:32 Man, I've seen lots of animations and if anything shame on the American space industry that the ESA? The European Space Agency did this. And while we got shit blowing up... Shame on us! Shame on us if this is really all true." And then okay now what? We got some pictures All I see is that we're distracting everybody now with this poor guy who wore a shirt with some chicks on it, who's been shamed into being a misogynistic A-hole. Very sad story."

CHAPTER 38 / 50 Discussion

Rosetta Scientist Shirt Controversy, Media Distraction

The media controversy surrounding Rosetta scientist Matt Taylor's "misogynistic" shirt is highlighted as a distraction from the technical failures of the comet landing. The hosts mock the "human interest" focus of the reporting while the lander remains sideways in the dark.

matt taylor· shirtgate· misogyny· media distraction· comet lander· science

2:02:09 I don't know anything about this story. Yeah, yeah one of the lead scientists... these are all Europeans you know so they he was wearing a shirt with the with like kind of like a tattoo modern kind of tie-dye type thing if you search it you'll find it'll be the top story because that's all we're talking about now and some female Journalists were interviewing him and they were really upset about his misogynistic shirt. And now the guy's breaking down, he's having a nervous breakdown because people hate him. I've never heard that. Anime pinup. I haven't followed it, I mean just following the disaster part of it, but I haven't followed the human interest crapola with a guy wearing a T-shirt. But that seems to be the only thing we have left to talk about because... and did you see that room? A hundred and fifty people all dressed up in suits with pearls and clapping when this thing landed. Okay

2:03:10 But yeah, why? So what worked and what didn't do we have doing so did this thing work or did we What are these pictures we got from the whole know that we get some pictures of from the other device that dropped a lander. And of the thing going down and a picture of the comet nice pictures of the comet from up above Okay, and then we have some supposedly there's some pictures of the comment from ground level when it first landed but then now it's been bouncing around this This comet's tumbling, by the way. It has very little gravity. So it's tumbling around and threw this thing into a hole so it is not even on its feet anymore. Apparently it's sideways sitting sideways and there are cameras all around us so I guess they found one or two cameras that still could take a picture of something but it's in the dark! And so the batteries are going to drop dead and probably by our next show this thing will be dead in the water Shut up already! Science! Exactly

CHAPTER 39 / 50 Discussion

Glenn Beck, Neuro-Linguistic Programming

The hosts analyze a clip of Glenn Beck, suggesting he uses neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and "crying on demand" to manipulate his audience. They specifically point out a strange "disco ball" reference in a pitch for a privacy product as a potential psychological trigger.

glenn beck· nLP· crying· disco ball· goldline· advertising

2:04:04 It's beautiful science. And we get so impressed by these things! Yeah, you know it's an exercise in stuff... Alright what else have I got here? Well yeah it's an exercise-I thought the transmission part was interesting but I'm also a bit troubled by the ease of this. I like investigating these things and that's- Yeah you think half of this stuff is total horseshit. Yeah absolutely. Some of it is I'm sure. Now can I play one thing that's off the wall? Anything you want I have a clip from Glenn Beck who has been pulling an interesting he's apparently dying or something and he's Having all kinds of problems got tears in his eyes. He's crying on the air He's doing all this stuff because we know any that he's done this in the past cried on the air But you know, he can do it JC was watching this with me and watching The Crying Part and Becketts pulls the tear out at one eye but not the other You know and actors, you know lot of them

2:05:00 Actors and actresses if you're taking a lot of this stuff, especially if you started in high school. You can cry on demand Yeah, and but somebody can do that Mickey can do that. It's yeah, it's astonishing to see her do that Yeah, I guess it's fun to watch no it is actually troubling because well struggling But you'd be a lot of actresses can do it And a lot of them can't so they have to use glycerin and they do all these things because they can't do it on camera She just looks at the credit card statement Just, you know, she's like what who did I marry? She was just crying. It was like you got no money and there are some people that can only cry out of love. I love you but... Anyway Glenn Beck does it the one eye thing so we want to make sure that sounded right but i wanted to make sure that didn't sound like she's only with me for the money We all know it's for the sex.

2:05:48 Back up, back. Let me finish shutting it down. I'm sorry. I believe there is some form of that he's doing some form of neuro linguistic programming Oh, he does this a lot Yes but this one here was done it's one of his one of his assistants or one of his other guys and I want you to Play this right from you know as soon as I stop and tell me what do you think of what? You're gonna hear important risk information at 1-800-757-GOLD or goldline.com You want to know what's just about as valuable as gold is information and that's what our new sponsor Disco Ball is all about, our new sponsor up here on the loft is private and let me ask you a question do you believe first of all that our government when they tell you they're not listening to your phone calls they're not storing them there? They're not reading your texts? Do you believe him when they say they're not doing any of that because wait a minute

2:06:43 What is this? Did you hear? Yeah, but I... What was it? Well first i heard a pitch for gold. That was the end of Beck's pitch and they go to pitch man number two And then there was a pitch for information is like gold And then there was something sitting up in the ceiling, which was his new...what's it like? What is that a listening device or what was it I don't understand. Well if you listen to it- I did This is for a company called Privacy Alert or something like this PR But why does he drop the word disco ball in the middle of this pitch? Isn't that what..I thought the product was called Disco Ball No! It's not called Disco Ball Does it look like a disco ball?

CHAPTER 40 / 50 Discussion

Stop Sign Trigger, No Agenda Donations

In a humorous attempt to use NLP on their own audience, the hosts suggest that listeners should think about donating to the "No Agenda" show every time they see a stop sign. A brief debate ensues regarding whether a stop sign is a hexagon or an octagon.

stop sign· nLP· donations· octagon· trigger word· psychology

2:07:33 What? He's talking away and a disco ball comes on, throws a bunch of light on the set. He says disco ball and then he goes on with the pitch. Oh I know what this is! Yeah that's totally... whenever you see a disco ball you're gonna think of this product oh that's interesting i can tell you after seven years if i belch which i won't do but even people who have programmed with this belch think sensei oh coffee because i programmed them with this seven years ago It's a trigger word. It's very easy to do, in fact here's an... I think we've done this on our show but you're driving in the car right now and you're looking around and here's what's going to happen. You'll invariably certainly in America but other countries as well you'll come to a stop sign. We all know what the stop sign looks like it's uh is it six sides? The stock so yeah there's a six-sided stop sign. You see this stop sign, you stop and you think I need to donate to The No Agenda Show

2:08:35 Done that's how you mean you mean by telling people that when they see a stop sign They will think oh, I need to donate. I've got a donate to the Noah Genesis or just by telling them That yes all it takes work. That's all it takes there's other ways we do it Dvorak dot org slash and hey I even get that thing stuck on my head sometimes yeah if you ever get that way walking around the house and then you're just Oh My god, uh-uh have to turn on the radio or something kiss out of my head Huh, well anyway the disco ball coming. I think the stop sign is eight sides isn't octagonal? One two three four five six seven eight yeah Okay so now people are gonna think curry's an idiot and they won't donate so screwed it up already No, they'll think Currys an idiot And they will donate because but it'll be triggered by current

2:09:28 He's an idiot. Okay, I have gonna go to the stop sign again look at it wait a minute one two three John five six seven eight Don't count the corners John don't get your hopes up Just don't get your hopes up anyway disco ball this go ball Well just keep saying disco you know what hey whenever you hear or see disco ball think about donating us screw game Glenn gen black Again, like anyway. All right these Feinstein shambles cyber bill is back so good yeah and It's being pushed very hard by Jim Lang What's his name Langevin? Langelov in and let me see what his name is lang of in lang even he's a I don't know He's a Democratic Party member

CHAPTER 41 / 50 Discussion

Cyber Information Sharing Act, Richard Clark

The Feinstein-Chambliss cyber sharing bill is discussed, with Richard Clark providing "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" regarding the vulnerability of the U.S. electric grid. The bill would indemnify corporations for sharing user data with the government in the name of cybersecurity.

cISA· richard clark· cyber security· electric grid· scada· information sharing

2:10:18 for Rhode Island, the smallest state in the Union. Oh those Rhode Island guys that's where White House comes from that guy Yes and he is on...is this with Brolf maybe? He's on with Richard Clark Actually, Richard Clark now throwing on a huge amount of FUD, fear uncertainty and doubt. Remember this is the fine... This is the fund Richard Clark bill? Yes! And it's ... well specifically it is the cyber sharing bill and this is the one that I think is very dangerous we need to be very aware what is happening here. This would indemnify

2:11:00 commercial or corporate entities from sharing information they believe is important with the government and vice versa, the government sharing information with them which they will be indemnified from. You know they can just be a deputy, little star, sheriff star And this is supposed to keep us safe from the sophisticated cyber attackers who are, you know... This is part of the whole White House and Department of Defense initiative to upgrade our military to more sophisticated levels.

2:11:36 So I'm pretty sad to say that this will probably pass. When i chaired the Homeland Security subcommittee that had jurisdiction over cyber security and we did a deep dive on this... There it is again John, your deep dive! Yeah yeah got that one vulnerable critical infrastructure is in particular how vulnerable electric grid is and we found that it's very uh vulnerable so what kind of national labs actually did that study that showed the generator through a SCADA attack that's a systems control and data acquisition system. You recall this is the exploding generator, John? This is where it all comes from... Why is this guy adenoidal? Is he on coke or something? Probably. They're all on coke!

CHAPTER 42 / 50 Discussion

SCADA Security, Generator Vulnerability Myths

The hosts debunk claims that software attacks can cause power grid generators to physically explode, arguing that hardware breakers would prevent such outcomes. They cite emails from industrial experts suggesting that most control systems are air-gapped or run on outdated, unpatched Windows machines that are rarely touched by IT.

scada· generators· stuxnet· cyber attack· us-cert· industrial control systems

2:12:17 Everybody's on coke in this city. to build, ship and install. Okay hold on a second yes I don't know we're gonna have to find some guy who knows about this but i'm guessing...I'm just guessing that these generators have some sort of a hard breaker that is hardware that doesn't isn't affected or can be affected by you know some software coming in and say don't work! That if the generator overheats over speeds up or does something like that it would just

2:13:08 shut itself down. I don't believe this, what kind of...I've actually never believed this about these generators. What kind of cheap piece of crap are you buying that can be spun out of control like that? But um are these generators that power the grid is that what he's talking about now well he's talking about that but the generators there i guess were the ones that were being used in central or something in Iran that were sent out of control by some software, some code says spin up to 10,000 RPM until you blow up. I'm not buying it! I at one point owned some very large generators for the data center known as the Data Barn at the Amsterdam Internet Exchange a very good project ten years too early lost my shirt and well

2:13:56 Lost a lot in that. You can't be ahead of your time and make money, no you can't. And these were two large generators that were always kept at a certain temperature so the minute there was a power failure of course the batteries for the whole data center last about 11 minutes but you really only need 20 seconds. And these generators, I mean there's yeah sure there are control systems but you can pretty much flip that puppy on and cut everything off these diesel generators they go You know, and I agree with you. But they're probably talking about something else but it's going to be offline for months and we're all going to die of lack of...I don't know. It doesn't sound like a modern piece of equipment that's the problem with these arguments. The public which has been stupefied by the education system doesn't seem to understand what's going on with anything. To them technology is a shovel and you put seeds in the ground

2:14:56 These things aren't built like that. You don't pay a million dollars for one of these high-end generators and let it spin itself out of control and blow itself up! It's not built that way. But I do have two emails in the show notes from dudes named Ben who have been asked to be kept anonymous. And this is regarding the US CERT alert, which is exactly what this is about all timed perfectly to get this cyber sharing bill in and both dudes named Ben say pretty much unanimously

CHAPTER 43 / 50 Discussion

Cyber Threat Narrative, Information Sharing Legislation

Richard Clark and Congressman Jim Langevin argue for the passage of information-sharing legislation to close the "aperture of vulnerability" against non-state actors like ISIS. The hosts remain skeptical, viewing the bipartisan push as a way for the government to strong-arm the private sector into providing data.

richard clark· isis· lone wolves· aperture of vulnerability· cISA· bipartisan support

2:15:33 That is control systems are not operated by IT departments internally by these power companies to manage my maintenance department of industrial companies and actually one of our dude says these guys don't even know how to create a new folder. And most control systems are running outdated Windows machines that are enclosed in industrial casing. Big vendors like Siemens, Honeywell never touch any of the systems because they just work! So these systems are never patched no antivirus and they both have some very interesting examples of how crappy it is yes you know this dark energy fear that's being put upon us it's a lot of fear mongering

2:16:17 But there is something to the severely shit nature of our electrical companies and how they run things. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all going to come crashing down and the thing won't work for three months, I agree with you! That sounds like baloney to me onwards. So Richard Clark what can be done to prevent that? Well, very little. Very little unless Joe's over hire me! The thing here to really bear in mind is this is not about to happen We have nuclear weapons, we haven't used them. We have cyberweapons and we've seldom used them The United States did do a cyber attack on Iran and destroyed some nuclear centrifuges Good work But this is a contingency And it's very unlikely that it'll be use by nation states The real worry Is that eventually non-state actors maybe even terrorist groups will gain this capability

2:17:15 There it is. You can't see them you can't fight them You can't drop a bomb on their country because they're lone wolves are non-state actors and terrorists Employed there all been radicalized by the terrorist narrative. Is that the real threat congressman? Yeah, yeah It's not like we're working together or anything right now these these worst weapons in cyberweapons are in the hands of nation states who have the capability but not necessarily the will to use them. But then you have groups like ISIL or Al-Qaeda that certainly would have the intent, but not the weapons and that gap, that divide if you will

2:17:54 It's become much more narrow and eventually the worst actors will have the worst weapons, and they potentially will use them against us. I've been trying to raise the alarm on this as Richard has been, to try to close that aperture of vulnerability This is not a problem that we're ever going to solve it's one that we need to manage We need to close the aperture of vulnerability to something that is much more manageable Close the aperature of vulnerability? I like that! Close the aperture of vulnerability. These guys is endless. That's a good one though, close the aperture.

2:18:31 Yeah, let me put this broomstick in your aperture of vulnerability. So what we need to do in Congress is pass an information sharing bill that Bill passed almost unanimously out of the House Intelligence Committee which I said... Oh it gets better. Passed the house with strong bipartisan support and now we're waiting for the Senate to take it up That would allow classified threat information to be passed to the private sector and for the private sector to pass uh the threats or the attacks that they're experiencing back to the government. What could possibly go wrong? Just passing... I like what they do, it's gonna be the government passing the threats to the private sector then being passed back to the government yeah it's really just about getting information from the private sector Yeah and you know what the private sector includes? By strong arming them! Yeah the private sector includes telephony and companies like this This is what that is

CHAPTER 44 / 50 Discussion

Ebola Indemnification, Public Law 85-804

A presidential memorandum is examined that authorizes USAID to use Public Law 85-804 to indemnify contractors working on the Ebola response in Africa. The hosts link this to the broader trend of government indemnification for corporations, similar to the protections given to telecommunications companies for warrantless wiretapping.

ebola· usaid· indemnification· public law 85-804· contractors· africa

2:19:23 And there's a new bill, let me see if I can find this quickly. Hmm...I thought it was- oh here it is maybe? There are so many new bills being proposed and I can't find this one offhand It'll crop up later Let us move then to a bill that is being proposed which I believe will certainly become law Oh man! Here we go We haven't even talked about this yet today I'm sorry, this is... oh here it is. It's the presidential memorandum that's what I was looking for in regards to Ebola. Presidential Memorandum for the Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development, the USAID subject authorizing the exercise of authority under Public Law 85-804

2:20:22 By the authority vested in me and the President by the Constitution and laws, I hereby direct the following. The Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development is authorized to exercise authority under Public Law 85-804 as amended... ...to the same extent and subject to the same conditions and limitations that the head of an executive department or agency listed in Section 21 of Executive Order 10789 of November 14th 1958." as amended with respect to contracts performed in Africa in support of USAID's response to the Ebola outbreak, where the contractor or its employees will have exposure to Ebola and the dangers surrounding the

2:21:01 exposure to Ebola. This authority may be exercised for the purpose of holding harmless and indemnifying contractors with respects to claims, losses or damage arising out of resulting from the performance of the contracts in the course of performing these contracts to the fight of Ebola." Now this is a very interesting little piece of law which I was unaware of. Okay now you're gonna have to also explain how you managed to make this leap from Feinstein's Chambliss to Ebola. Because it's all part of the same idea, to indemnify companies when they share your information when the government shares information back When you have a contract right now with Ebola and I didn't know about this law 85-804 and i have not had time since only found out this morning

2:21:57 to find out if this will also be applied to the cyber sharing bill, the Cyber Information Sharing Bill. A complete indemnification if you do it! This is what everyone was so mad about when we had the warrantless wiretaps mainly AT&T when the president and the lawmakers indemnified the telephone companies for doing this It's the same thing Kind of an interesting idea if you can just get the Congress to pass these indemnification laws. You can't sue anybody! Exactly, no one goes to jail...no one goes to court

CHAPTER 45 / 50 Discussion

Band-Aid 30, Ebola Awareness Campaign

The 30th anniversary of Band-Aid features a new recording of "Do They Know It's Christmas?" to raise funds for the Ebola crisis. The hosts characterize the celebrity-driven campaign as a "trinket" for public awareness that masks a larger geopolitical takeover of Western Africa.

band-aid 30· bono· bob geldof· ebola· bbc· fundraising

2:22:41 It's actually pretty slick. We know it with vaccines, we know there is complete indemnification. Yeah the vaccines are all you can do whatever you want now make crap just dog shit and a needle and give it too bad. But yeah we're calling in the vaccine so your toast or whatever you feel like cant sue us. Molly now we know from our economic hitman Molly was high on the list They've got the Ebola, it's confirmed now. France will be screening arrivals from Mali for Ebola. And along with Facebook and Google raising awareness of Ebola which again I would like anyone to show... just go look at all the videos online Look at any piece a footage If there is six billion dollars of money

2:23:37 being poured into fighting this, show me the money. Show it to me! And show me the dead people and show me the patients and show me more than one person drinking some water being assisted...show me some bleed- I need to see some bleeding eyeballs This is a scam A huge scam and it's about to be ratcheted up with that stupid ass band-aid 30 as now and the BBC is hyped it up. There we go again! Yep, so the BBC... Now if you're gonna bring all these people together all these superstars which is Bono and One Direction and... It's all the same ones Well no there are new people they brought new people in We still don't have The Song

2:24:19 But of course you can just have everyone come to the studio and record it, but oh no. No no we had to have a huge press event with Bono and throngs of people in press and big guardrails because somehow they discovered that this is where the stars were coming to record the new song! Somehow they discovered. Somehow they... The media really does its research Many of the stars taking part in today's recording might not have been born when the first Band-Aid single was released But they, just like those who featured on the original know its significance

2:24:56 How do you feel about taking part in this today, of course 30 years after you did the original band-aid single? As I say just wish we didn't have to do this and there will come a time when... That's Bono. When we won it Back in 1984 Do They Know It's Christmas raised 8 million pounds for Famine Hits Ethiopia This time it's to raise money to help tackle the Ebola crisis which has claimed 5,000 lives in West Africa. All day fans crowded outside the studio where the musicians recorded their individual lines and came together for the song's famous chorus. At the end they all just clapped themselves like... And it is different people sing differently now you know so yeah the old song

2:25:45 If this kind of enthusiasm translates into sales, another number one seems guaranteed for the Band-Aid team next week. And they're hoping it will have just as big an impact as the original not just in terms of money raised but also in terms of raising public awareness. Lisa and Zimba, BBC News. There you go, public awareness yeah we understand because you're not on board with the program. You know Geldof needs to make some cash... Cash flow! Yeah, no it's not really about that. This is about getting people on board another trinket Here's here's little little show business trinket everybody you can take this and feel really good You can buy this and you can change your Twitter icon to the Ebola virus You know that little logo we've seen it should be an eye of bleeding eyeball Get a bleeding eyeball change your icon to the beating eyeball We want the bleeding eyeball very good idea

CHAPTER 46 / 50 Discussion

Police Procedurals, Search Warrant Rights

The hosts criticize television police procedurals like "Blue Bloods" for portraying the bypass of search warrants as heroic. They share a producer's story about resisting a warrantless neighborhood search during a kidnapping investigation, emphasizing the erosion of Fourth Amendment rights.

blue bloods· police procedurals· search warrants· fourth amendment· civil rights· brainwashing

2:26:36 Yeah, no that'd be great. And it's just sad because this is a takeover of Western Africa I know you're not quite on board with me on that yet but you'll see Well i always thought there were yeah but it's not just us so the British and the French are in on this Of course! I do have a couple of clips I want to do before we finish Okay good One of the things that I think we don't point it out enough about how the American public is being brainwashed by... We don't point it out enough? No. Not that they're being brainwashed in a way that, as somebody once pointed out, has essentially poisoned the jury pool with bad information. Ah yes like how DNA works and... Yeah there's a lot of these things. The instant you know shoot the guy and now who he is five minutes later but the one

2:27:29 representation of the way cops are supposed to act, and no cops would act this way. But the only way you can solve crime is by doing illegal stuff because you're the good guy—you're the cop! And so you end up with these sorts of... This is a trailer for one of The Blue Blood shows and to me this is the most objectionable content Because it just makes it sound as though all the police should just be unprofessional and be like this. Yeah, we don't have time for search warrants! I find it extremely offensive

2:28:18 We don't have time for search warrants. One of our producers, Glenn who sends me very long emails from time to time... no he sent when he sends me a long email I'm like oh god but there's good stuff in there you know this girl who they thought was kidnapped and thought she was dead. And then it turns out she had, uh, uh, she turns up in two others two States away and social media some guy, some 30 year old guy said, Hey come hang out with me. Did you father? Yes I remember that. Okay. So Glenn lives somewhere in that neighborhood I guess. And when the minute this happens and it's just based upon some mother going, Hey my kid has been kidnapped

2:29:00 locked down the neighborhood and they said, oh we have to search every single house. And Glenn went no show me a search warrant and he got like... He wrote me a war and peace on how this went down. He finally was able to um to have uniformed cops show up with an actual search warrant but everyone else is like oh come on in you know whatever yeah And he says, it's just not acceptable. You say a child... Think of the children and everyone just forgets about... And of course when you say I'm sorry, you can't search my house without a search warrant then you're not...you basically did it! You must be the guy but we've forgotten our rights and this is very important and this is exactly what...and you propagate like this was time for a search warrant? We got lives on the line here

CHAPTER 47 / 50 Discussion

Jean-Claude Juncker, Luxembourg Tax Leaks

EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker defended himself against revelations of "sweetheart" tax deals made while he was Prime Minister of Luxembourg. The hosts discuss the lack of accountability in the unelected EU leadership and the impact of tax avoidance on other member states.

jean-claude juncker· luxembourg· tax avoidance· eu commission· g20· lisbon treaty

2:29:52 Yeah, I find it disgusting. It's a shame this is one of the few countries. I think where we have this No, we don't have for the Lord well. It'll be on the books are just not observed you go any like Amsterdam You know you have to have ID and the cops will stop you and say show me your ID What are you doing here? Yeah, we have in New York. We have Stop and Search which is kind of... Yeah they just stop you out of the blue. Kind of been stopped but not really I Have one EU related story since you brought that up just right there now Okay And I thought this was a strange kind of report on it. I think is France-Vancouver and it was about Juncker and how

2:30:38 At the end of this little clip, it says to me that the EU is not going to be friendly toward business in any way which I think will help expedite the falling of the euro personally. But if you think about the story and the logical... things that Juncker should have done or should be like, why is he apologizing and all this? You'll come to the same conclusion I believe. Play this story. He has spoken on this for the first time since these Luxembourg leaks. He's denied he was the best friend of business during his 19 years as Prime Minister of Luxembourg The EU Commission President was defending himself after the revelations that hundreds of companies were allowed sweetheart deals in his country That allowed them to pay tax of in some cases less than 1%

2:31:25 His comments come ahead of this weekend's G20 summit in Brisbane which will be focused on cracking down on global tax avoidance. With the details here is Charlotte Hawkins He's kept a low profile over the past week, ever since revelations that Luxembourg made secret deals allowing hundreds of companies to avoid tax while he was Prime Minister. But on Wednesday President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker defended himself in front of MEPs facing boos from far right parties I won't apologize for what i've done for my country. Clearly, I am politically responsible for everything that the tax administration did. Juncker governed Luxembourg for 19 years but insists he was not the architect of the tax regime that allowed companies to save millions while these businesses funneled money through luxembourg it deprived other countries governments have much needed revenue

2:32:25 Yeah, of course. And this is the Luxembourg deal that they got going on there? Yeah a couple of things. This is Luxembourg we're talking about for starters which is supposed to be business friendly so why is he apologizing and why is it getting booed by the right-wingers who are supposed to be you know less government more toward business this doesn't make sense either no well this is Jean Claude Juncker The Drunker I think the so-called right wingers, they're just jealous. Hey wait a minute how can we...we didn't get in on this deal? Well that could be. The EU is a big...you all see it. We saw this is the genesis of this very show is the Lisbon Treaty and all of this was predicted, it was easy to see the peoples of the European Union member states

2:33:22 have given up. They don't, they're children being born who don't even know any better. Yeah there's two places they got to headquarters and because they couldn't agree on where to have it and all your money goes to Brussels no one there is elected and they run their own show and I got an army in the gonna take over your banks and yeah Yeah, I don't know what you're trying to tell me with this clip other than yeah. That's it Well just another clip to reiterate. Yeah screw and of course one of our Contacts about the Mexican situation which we'll discuss more obviously in a few weeks if we can figure out what what's gonna come with it

CHAPTER 48 / 50 Discussion

Obamacare Enrollment Windows, Insurance Industry Logic

The hosts debate the logic behind the three-month enrollment window for the Affordable Care Act. While one host finds the restriction annoying, the other explains that the window exists to prevent people from only purchasing insurance after they become ill, which would collapse the insurance pool.

obamacare· healthcare.gov· enrollment window· insurance· pre-existing conditions· barack obama

2:34:06 Is this Spain is just borderline going that way too? Yeah, well we had the whole Catalonia thing which I We have yet to hear the results. We know what the results will be. No, the results came out They're illegal is whatever that whatever the results are There was a pro yes let's break away It was like 30 or 60 percent something like that rock and roll everyone's all on board sure That's not gonna happen. No it's not gonna happen Let me just look at the Basque experience I just wanted to respond to one thing that i heard on the Dvorak Horowitz program which I listened to in the plane on my way here. Hello! You had a question and neither you or Andrew Horowitz, I enjoy your program very much by the way uh which is unrehearsed and already in progress And I enjoyed it very much but but you did not understand this bit and I have the president talking about it today because it's apropos If you missed your chance to get covered last year here's the good news

2:35:03 Starting November 15th, today. You can go online and get covered for 2015! And we've spent the last year improving and upgrading healthcare dot gov to make it faster an easier to use If you already buy health insurance through the online marketplace now's the time to take a look at some of the new options for next year. You might be able to save more money or find a plan that fits your family needs even better than one you got now if you haven't signed up for insurance yet this is your chance. Odds are you'll qualify for tax credits to help you afford it, but this window won't stay open forever. You only have three months to shop for plans so it's worth starting right away and it might make a big difference for your family's bottom line." And the question that was posed on the otherwise outstanding Dvorak Horowitz unplugged program was what is going on with this enrollment window? I wanted to explain... Let me reiterate

2:36:05 I've always found it peculiar that when you're signing up for something, there is an enrollment window. In other words, they have three months to do this. Why can't I do it before the window opens or after the window closes? Why can't I do it whenever I feel like it?" And I know the answer because I found myself without health insurance for myself and my wife, and the window was not open And I said, hello. I'd like to buy some insurance and they said, oh sorry the window is not open you cannot buy insurance there are that you can go to Cobra which is well that's kind of like the whole foods of insurance here's all my money until the window opens and the reason is if the window was always open you would more than likely not get insurance until something happened

2:37:04 And they don't want that to happen. So, oh I got cancer. Oh crap maybe i should enroll? You see how this works You have an open window 24-7 for 360...the whole year, for auto insurance. Why can't you take that argument and put it to all? You have a window the...oh well because you don't do that because if you crash your car, you'll go get insurance." No! I think it's a little different when you crash your car or when something happens the damage is apparent and documented and done

2:37:41 And dates are no, you can't just file a claim without... Now take another shot at this. Okay. Because you're not going to buy it? No. Let me try this one. You find out that you got cancer during the open window and then you get your insurance. That's the pre-existing condition so they know that there is... Fine! Then why don't you have the pre-existing condition all year round? You can do it during the window. No, but you're missing the point think like an insurance guy Think like an insurance guy, not like John Smart who doesn't want to screw people necessarily. Think like an insurance guy Okay look if they could make the window three weeks instead of three months They'd do it and by the way no better time than during Christmas shopping season This is a great time to do it Now the whole point is If you find out...people..if someone breaks their leg I guarantee you there are there are people that say hey hey Johnny You broke your leg?

CHAPTER 49 / 50 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Supply Limits, Insurance Scams

A discussion on the frustrations of the healthcare system covers 30-day limits on thyroid medication and the rising costs of veterinary care. The hosts argue that the introduction of insurance into any market, including pet care, inevitably leads to price inflation and "scam" behavior.

thyroid medication· 30-day supply· pet insurance· healthcare· insurance scam

2:38:38 Hobble around until I get this insurance thing set up. Don't tell anybody and then we'll say well you'll fall down and we'll call in, We'll get it fixed." This is what is for John! And...and I understand it too that never used to be this way Please look at pet health insurance The minute you could get health insurance for your pet, and I know lots of people who do this. That's when a visit to the pet doctor, the veterinarian became minimum $350 because that's how insurance works it's a scam. How about this? Let me give you another example. Mickey has medication for her thyroid she cannot get more than a 30-day supply

2:39:29 So, she wants 60 because she's traveling. No 30 days only and it all has to do with the cutoff dates and the pricing and the insurance which is very expensive as it turns out some thyroid medication $500 a month or something so I understand they want to keep a lid on this and then actually rather hope that you forget it and die this cheaper well yeah no they'd like you to die thank them that's the best way to go Well, okay. I'll let you slide it. There's other arguments that I can make, I'm sure. It just seems annoying. Yeah well yes it is annoying. Well how about this? He's going to keep trying! You have insurance. Yes The window opens and you can change your insurance to a different carrier

2:40:28 Why can't you do that all year round? Ah, well for most people as I will find out the next time the windows open your insurance will pretty much be cancelled. You'll have to move to another plan which is going to cost you more money This window's not a good thing The president says oh you may be able to get cheaper insurance A plan that better fits your family Take a note of the time when you just did that. Yeah, okay number one insurance scam guy salesman in the world I'm sorry Do you have anything positive to go out on? Give me something positive. Uh yeah probably Oh i got a Dr Kiki clip oh is it funny The thing that you want to... You hope for Is that you'd get A flu That will be dangerous For um The average person

CHAPTER 50 / 50 Discussion

Dr. Kiki Sanford, Flu Pandemic Comments

The show concludes with a clip of Dr. Kiki Sanford expressing a "hope" for a dangerous flu to encourage people to take vaccination seriously. The hosts label the sentiment as psychotic before signing off from New York City.

dr. kiki sanford· flu shot· pandemic· science· vaccination· gotham

2:41:27 What? The thing that you want is to get a flu that will be dangerous to the average person. Is that what she said? Yes, sir! This is because it will then force people to recognize the importance of getting flu shots. You want it to be dangerous because if people aren't dying from it in massive quantities they'll never go for the flu shot and so that's why you hope for this Play that again play it again the thing that you want to you. You hope for is that you'd get a flu that will Be dangerous for The average person shut up already Science, and that's what it's all about man. That's terrible she said that She's a little psychotic I think well something I've noticed along the way oh

2:42:15 Alright, well we made it through somehow John I think we did cover the most important basis the g20 being the top of the list Thank you for your updates Remember everybody. We hate Putin Russia is dangerous because we need to have more sophisticated weaponry and will do that without actual American soldiers in harm's way and the goal and Remember, it's the terrorist narrative that will get your kids in trouble. And I shall be hanging out with DPG my Uncle Don on Monday and bringing you a full report on Thursday show. Yeah at least what you can tell us... He won't tell me something i cant say. Ah good! That's what Aunt Meg does secretly

2:43:06 Coming to you from FEMA Region 2 here in Gotham, in the city of New York. Thanks for being with us there on the stream in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry Yeah sorry about that. Northern Silicon Valley I am John C. Dvorak where like I said before we got no nuts to roast And we will be back on Thursday with more of your media deconstruction right here On NO Agenda Eeeboooowaaah Ebola

2:43:50 You you hope for is that you'd get a flu that will be dangerous for The average person it was worth its It's what's worse and her head is gone That's how we roll. And that's the story! It is scary and wretched and miserable, it is gross. Adios mofo. The best podcast in the universe! Dvorak dot org slash N-A