Why Why Not

00:00 To grow pot, that's what a greenhouse is for. Just mere city blocks from the League of Nations headquarters in FEMA Region 2 here in the Big Apple in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where apparently there's a lot of what you call latency today and we're stuck with it. I'm John C. Dvorak. Oh, you shouldn't have too much latency. It should be fine today. The League of Nations was headquartered in San Francisco.

00:40 Oh, then there's a latency of several thousand miles. Mm-hmm. I know, but I switched to the... I'm a little mad. So the way I... I think we've talked about this before. The way everything is set up. I run everything on one single computer. It really does work, except I have the jingle pad. which is wirelessly operated from my generation one no cellular network having Wi-Fi only iPad. Which is all I use it for. But it has to be on the same network as the computer and that network also has to allow intercommunication between the two devices. And apparently the iBond, you know these guys,

01:27 The Ibon hotel network facilities don't allow inter-device communication. Hmm. Well that stinks. Yeah, so then I tried it on my little, I have a little Freedom Pop MiFi device-y thingy, but we just had too much latency on the Skype. So, anyway. Just don't say the word weird too often because it just takes me too long to get it all done. So if I said it you wouldn't get to the buzzer fast enough. No, but I can try. I mean, I can do my best. Yeah, the way this works, it seems to me, and I hate that buzzer.

02:13 Especially since it now seems to be left channel only today. I don't know why. Well, whatever the case is, it still sounds crap. Okay. But the idea is it's a Pavlov's thing where you say the word that you don't want to say. And we're trying to, we train each other on this show to not say certain things like the fact of the matter or the truth of the matter, which is everywhere. And you get this jarring beep and it's just like an electric shock and it should snap you out of saying these things. That would be even better. But not if it's an hour later. No, it doesn't quite work that way. This is like telling the dog he shouldn't have pooped a week ago. It kind of ruins the Pavlovian idea of it all. Yeah, I agree. Very good. I don't know how I... I don't think I can do anything about it.

03:10 Okay, well, so you're in New York, I'm in California, we're doing the Coast to Coast show. We are indeed. There's a lot of new news. I mean, a lot of this stuff is coming to a head. Ferguson is still chewing up too much of the... Yeah, of course, when you're at a family reunion, which is why I'm here, there's always some discussion of...particularly when you look at the Curry-Greg clan. You're going to expect some political conversation, but the Ferguson thing I don't know if that really came up at all Oh good, so what did come up? Oh? Oh my goodness We want to talk about Ferguson first just so we can just get over and get I don't really have any Ferguson news except for the people finding earplugs and claiming their rubber bullets There was a few things that I found

04:02 And, by the way, we got accused of... Did you see the tape of that guy? That guy that they killed was a stooge. That guy was a punk. Yeah. So MSNBC apparently has been given the memo to be all in on this. And as you, I think, quite astutely deconstructed, the reason why this particular killing of this particular black man Or of any man, I would say, because this happens white, black, yellow, brown, all over the country. This happens on a daily basis. But this particular one is for a very specific nefarious, I'd say kind of evil, 2014 midterm election voting... Get out to vote. Get out to vote, yes.

04:48 And as we were talking on Thursday, the president came out and he interrupted his vacation to say several things. New York City had a huge protest just as we were arriving. Hands up, don't shoot! Hands up, don't shoot! Hands up, don't shoot! And this is well organized, this hands up, don't shoot. Hands up, don't shoot. Which, I didn't really realize, apparently, this is what Michael Brown said. He said, I have my hands up, don't shoot. Of which we have no further evidence other than it was a meme propagated immediately. And we have to, I got so many, no not so many, but I got quite a significant number of social media messages saying, we are racist a-holes, our so-called deconstruction is stupid, we don't know what we're talking about.

05:39 And I think we really do. And I think this is so obvious what is, again, we're trying to stir up racial hatred and it's getting to the point now where CNN is bringing in British reporters who typically do financial reports. This is, who is this girl's name? She's a Brit and her name is Zane Asher, dark-skinned, of course, because we really have to keep pushing it. To me, this is the racism that's happening, what's being shoved down your throat on CNN. And she just breaks out some numbers, which, because she's a financial reporter, and of course, because it's CNN, you just have to take this for fact and for truth.

06:32 And here we go. Now you hear this underlying it is a tale of the blacks and the whites and protests have turned ugly. This is not true. It could be the police and you could even go as far to say white police, but you can't just say whites and blacks is bullshit. In Ferguson, Missouri after the death of Michael Brown at the hands of police, but underlying the racial tensions in Ferguson is an economic tension between blacks and whites. It's a tale of two cities.

07:12 and the stark financial differences are laid bare by the numbers. I'm gonna break them down for you. I'm gonna break them down for you. Who is she, Alex Jones now? I'm gonna break this down for you. 25% of blacks in the Ferguson area live below the poverty line compared to only 11% of whites. median income of blacks in Ferguson is about 60% of what whites make and the unemployment rate among blacks in Ferguson is nearly 20%. That's almost double the national average among African-Americans. And by the way, no source getting through these numbers. It's just big numbers on the street. This is bullcrap that it's double the national average A, but two, this could be, you could do this in Oakland and give these same numbers. Sure. You could do this in half the cities around the country that have large black populations.

07:56 because the blacks have been screwed during the Obama revolution, it's a fact, and nobody wants to mention that. And you could do that, but just focusing on Ferguson as though it's some sort of an exception to some rule is nonsense. It's transparent crap. It's having an unemployment rate in Ferguson of 6.7%. This is a city that used to be 75% white just 25 years ago, and now it is 67% black. and despite the changes in demographics over time the police force, the city government has remained nearly all white. This is really this by the way I'm ashamed now to not only be a white man but to be an American and to even

08:35 Be in this country. I got to do it. What does she know about anything? She's the financial girl She knows she has all the answers not even Yeah, and she has a shame G and finance yes, and you should bring these people on like this You should be ashamed of yourself John you there in rich white Berkeley When are you going to start, when is the white cop going to start killing, killing the black people in Oakland? We don't have these problems in California because we're run by Democrats. Ah, there you go. Segregation is still a problem across America. A Brown University study showed that St. Louis, where Ferguson is located, is actually the ninth most racially segregated city

09:14 in the US. Wow, they're top 10 though. I mean, 9th. What is that? They're talking about St. Louis, they're talking about Ferguson, they're talking about East St. Louis. What are they talking about? East St. Louis is in Illinois. I don't know. So you get the idea of that. I don't have to play all of what she said. The comments from the New Yorkers. You know, here's the joke of this. This is going to CNN, which is mostly a liberal and middle and independent white audience. There's no blacks in the world that watch CNN. They just wouldn't do it because it's such a lily white network. That's why they would put the black woman on. So they kind of covered, they got two check boxes to hit. It might be lesbian too, so you get three check boxes. Get it out of the way.

10:03 And by the way, people, I know how it sounds, but no, we're not raving Republicans here. We really aren't. We're just people who are looking at something objectively without the cultural Marxism of political correctness and just seeing some obvious issues with this reporting or whatever you want to call it. So I don't know what this expects to accomplish except to reconfirm the preconceived notions of the liberals who watch CNN. And I mean, if they haven't, you know, if they're not watching MSNBC. So it doesn't read. This is not really getting done what needs to get done, which is to get out the black vote because this is not accomplishing that.

10:42 New York, the New York protests will do something. It will have an effect. Well, you, yeah. Although when you listen to what the New Yorkers are saying, the ones that are featured in this report is, you know, well, let's see. Well, I think it's beautiful that everybody gathered here in solidarity. However, I feel as though it's not really going to bring much of a change. It's like, it's a good thing to do. It's good to show that we're here and we stand for something and we all agree and we want change, but What would be the result of us standing here with our hands up today? I agree. You should change your Twitter icon. I think that's what you're missing here, Pete. No, I think it's like a scab being picked constantly and constantly. It's like

11:26 These cases happened so many times. I was at a Sean Bell march when we all marched for him. Just a few weeks ago, Eric Garner was killed. There was a young man shot in LA two days ago in his back. You know what I thought when I was watching this? The first thing that popped into my head, of course because of the family reunion, was no one ever marches for the dead Marines or dead Iraqis or dead anybody. There's no outrage, there's no protest. You know, there's 240 people die, predominantly from the Netherlands, die in an aircraft. There's no one on the street protesting. Yeah, of course, you know, we're happy to blame the guy who's clearly...

12:10 Yeah, we're shot in the back. That's the deal okay? We're shot in the back. They only downed it doesn't count if you're down You don't get any respect if you're down. You have to be shot in the back. Yes, and he was unarmed african-american over and over and over we see these things happen, and I think that I We become numb to them, we heal and we move on. And with this Mike Brown thing, it was just like so blatant, so brazen. And we're really upset. It's not. It's just not so blatant and brazen. I'm just sorry. It's not true. And this is this is now bothersome as as it turns out from what we know from the police reports. It's not it's not proof either.

12:49 But what is being reported and certainly not contradicted at the time is that he had just robbed the convenience store and that was before this happened. And then, you know, this is how MSNBC just says that is not important. That is not what is important in this because you've already been given the narrative, you've been given the story, we have no evidence to back it up other than yeah someone's dead that's that's the evidence. I mean how much does this complicate things This is MSNBC, how much does it complicate things that he just robbed a convenience store before that? And do you think might this fact... Fact, thank you. Be something that instills this uncertainty within this community which has become a lot calmer overnight. There's going to be absolutely no uncertainty within this community.

13:39 The people in the community feel that Michael Brown was murdered in cold blood and left like an animal on the streets because some would want to connect Left like an animal on the streets murdered like an animal on the streets. He was left. They left him there They shot him and just left him there. Is that what he's saying? That's I essentially i'm sorry I'm just roll it back. Let's make sure yes. I'm, sorry. I didn't have the buzzer within this community. Uh The people in the community feel that Michael Brown was murdered in cold blood and left like an animal in the streets. Because some will want to connect the fact that he may have stole a pack of cigarillos that cost a dollar in a store to his characteristics as a person, whether he was a thug or violent, which could have led to some sort of violent confrontation with the police. But as the case unfurls, the facts will have to matter. The ballistic evidence will have to matter. And so as we learn more about exactly what happened, I think it'd be clear

14:27 You know, what happened in those moments right before that police officer fired that first shot. That's what matters. Well, okay. Okay. But this is the this is what MSNBC is doing. And here we have Luke Russert, who is a son of the famous predecessor to chip Gregory, who is now out and, and isn't it crazy that we went from chip to Chuck? Yeah, I didn't know that. Crazy. Crazy. Here is Luke Russert and he does correct himself from what I think is a libelous statement.

15:04 And I don't... Since he corrects himself, I guess it's okay. There's a number of exceptions to libel laws. If you're a news media, you have a defined moment where you can correct yourself, run a correction or whatever, and you won't get charged. But it's interesting that he would make a mistake in the first place. NBC's Ron Allen joins us live now from Ferguson on more of what to expect over the next few hours. Obviously, last night was a real change from what we saw a few nights ago. There is a sort of unity between police and protesters, at least an understanding and peace was there. But the big news this morning is we expect to hear for the first time the name of the officer who was involved in the murder of Michael Brown, or the killing of Michael Brown. Oops.

15:52 Oops. But that's the thinking, that is what they're all thinking over there. Yeah, that's actually a very good catch. In fact, yeah, yeah, great catch. They're all thinking murder. And then... And that's the media. Yeah. And the president, I did clip a little piece from his interrupting his vacation on Thursday to speak about ISIS, ISIL, take your pick, and what happened in Ferguson. Never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests.

16:43 Or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights. Or, and here in the United States of America, police should not be bullying or arresting journalists who are just trying to do their jobs. That's what the administration is supposed to do that. Mr. Risen from Fox, we're supposed to... Free speech zones around the conventions. Free speech zones. What's that all about? You can't throw... No, but the police shouldn't be doing it. It's the national government, you know, it's the administration that gets to throw journalists in jail and arrest them and indict them. That's our job, hey? And report to the American people on what they see on the ground. Put simply, we all need to hold ourselves to a high standard, particularly those of us in positions of authority. I agree. I agree. This is the police state in Polarview. You must continue to disperse

17:41 I thought this was a joke. This really is audio from Ferguson. It sounds so authentic. Yeah, as in like movie, movie authentic. Yeah, but it's real. Huh? Play it again. Okay. Happy to do that. It does. You got to make a mashup of those things. Yeah.

18:47 Unfortunately, they will be adding to it. Anyway, I don't see that we're contributing anything more than the basic thesis. No, I don't think so either. I didn't get anybody bitching at me. Other than the... I mean, I don't understand why people would complain about any of this. Well, there's one other thing here. This is St. Louis, the prosecutor. And you recall on Thursday, we had a couple of clips from some Democratic... local politicians, state senators, would in fact claim that this had been an execution-style shooting. Yeah, right. Yeah, talk about irresponsible. And so they were out in full force and we had... I don't know how to... It was uninteresting for me. It was Rachel Maddow had her alter ego, Chris... What's his name?

19:40 Chris. Chris Hayes. Chris Hayes out in the streets in the rain and he was talking to the same state senators and they were all saying Robert McCullough has to go. He is the state prosecutor and when you look this guy up, I remember him back in the day when he had, I think Axel Rose arrested because he'd beat up some people, which is probably proper, and there was big protests, no, can't have him, and then there was the 2001 Jack-in-the-box shooting, you know, so it's it's really an overthrow of all power in in st. Louis Justified or not. That's what it is. It's to get everybody out And this of course is also happening with in Texas with with Rick Perry

20:31 Yeah, I have the clip that introduces what happened. Oh good, because I have my own personal Texas analysis. I'd be happy to do that. Let me find it. Yeah, I'd like to hear it. This is Rick Perry indicted. Why is it not opening up? Oh crap. I can play a little ditty in the meantime. Oh, it says... Why can't it open Rick Perry indicted? Hold on a second. This is wrong. Because it's zero bytes. That's no good. No, hold on. We might as well fix this now. Because it says it's zero bytes. No. I have a copy. It says 17. Yeah, I'm sure you have a copy. No, I mean, I mean, I sent myself the same copy I sent you.

21:08 Yeah, no, I know, but it's for some reason it didn't didn't load properly here. Give me a second. This is what happens when we're in different parts of the world. Okay, Rick Perry indicted. Now I have the whole thing. We have this news in now out of Texas. Governor Rick Perry was indicted by a grand jury this afternoon on two criminal charges, abuse of official capacity and coercion of a public servant. The felony charges stem from the governor's efforts to force the resignation of Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lemberg. Now, Travis County is where the state, Texas state capital, Austin, is located. Last year, Lemberg, who is a Democrat, pled guilty to drunken driving, but she refused to resign her position despite calls to do so from the Republican governor. Things came to a head when Governor Perry vetoed millions of dollars of state funding for Lemberg's public integrity unit. That move has now put him in big legal trouble.

22:05 This, by the way, was something that was guffawed over at the family reunion as the news came out. And like most of my family are Democrats, I think are lifelong Democrats. Uncle Don, of course, was a Republican and served under multiple Republican presidents, but then became Democrat and voted for Obama twice. I think as a good agency man, that's what you do. Well, you, I don't know about that the first time. As a good agency man, when you have a Republican... Well, he, well, okay. He despises 43, W, George W. Bush.

22:50 despises him. Really, like really, really hates him. But George W. Bush didn't run against Al Gore, a military man. I mean, again, I'm sorry, against Obama. A military man ran against Obama by the name of McCain. Oh, I think he don't like... He certainly doesn't like McCain. No, he sees through a lot of bullcrap, but I think he kind of fell a bit for the Obama vibe, the idea of, you know, we can change something. He was softy in his old age. Well, we'll talk about that. I'm not so sure. But anyways, everyone's like, oh, did you see Rick Perry got a knife? Yeah, I guess the glasses didn't help him. Abuse of power. Yeah, that doesn't happen anywhere ever. There's no abuse of power. I don't like droning American citizens overseas. No, it's not really an abuse of power or anything or overstepping your boundary of constitutional rights and privileges and law.

23:52 So I know a bit about this case because this district attorney, of course, locally in Austin, and this has been on the news for a long time since this happened almost a year ago when she was arrested. I think it was on Route 2222, which is not a good place to be driving drunk with an open container of vodka. And she was so horrible to the police officers. And she had, I think, three times the legal limit. of alcohol and she was spitting at the cops and they put a hood on her, you know, the spit mask, because she was spitting at everybody saying, I'm not going to stay here more than six hours. You know who I am. I'll get out of here. And the problem is she's a Democrat. This is the issue from what I understand. And she headed up the public integrity unit, which the governor can,

24:48 appoint a new person to if she were to go. And she was in jail for, you know, I think almost a month. And they're not easy on drunk and driving in Texas. They do mess you up, rightly so. Don't drink and drive in Texas, certainly not in Austin. But she, you know, is a Democrat. And so you don't really hear about...that was, yeah, it was big news, but not now all of a sudden where he's saying, well, you know what? I got to get rid of this woman one way or the other. She's not going to resign. So I'm just going to veto all funding for her department, the public integrity. Yeah. Doesn't he have the right to do that? The governor, he can veto things.

25:31 Well, I think what now we hit now it'll come down to what is the reason I didn't need does he need to have a reason when you veto something does the president need a reason to be veto I veto veto you don't need a reason it's not just like you know I plead guilty with an excuse I'm sorry I really didn't mean it yeah right well this is how it's seen as a you know it's this big political bomb of all He's abusing his power. Really? This is what you're going to indict him over when it comes to abusive power? Forget all the bribery and trying to force vaccinations on girls with a back-end deal into Merck or, yeah, is it Merck or Gardasil? None of that stuff. But then also this woman, sorry, I don't want her being a district attorney. She's insane when she's drunk.

26:31 She's probably drunk a lot or she wouldn't get drunk. I can't imagine. I don't think I've ever been that drunk ever. I've never even been sick from alcohol ever in my life. I like the spitting part. He's just spitting on the cops who talk about hubris. I'm drunk and I'm spitting on you because I'm the district attorney. Hey, I'll get out of here. Don't you worry. But of course none of that is discussed. It's the abuse of power. Oh, oh, abuse of power. So everybody at the family reunion was all in on this because they hate Perry because of his glasses? Um, no, they hate Perry because he's a, you know, it's already tough. See, I'm not really from Texas. You know, well, you're from Austin, so you're okay.

27:17 Because Austin, of course, is like an oasis in Texas and it's horrible. This is all part of, of course, we talked about this on the show a couple of times. We had the original clips of demographers who say that Texas is the next state. Is a blue state. Yeah, the next state to go completely blue. It's going to be a blue state as soon as Georgia, after Georgia turns blue, then Texas is next. And that will be orchestrated through a series of very hard ass maneuvers. And I think this is one of them. But that's not the general narrative, and of course it's inevitable that guns come up. Well, you know, Texas, yeah, you got guns? I said, yeah. But you don't conceal carry, do you? I said, no, I got it in the car, though. Mickey's got one in the car. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, this brings me to a bunch of clips. Oh, okay. I do want to talk about the reunion, so let's just make sure we do circle back. Yeah, we'll just say you brought out guns.

28:13 We got a circle back. Yeah, I have to okay. There's a couple of clips. I want to pull here because bill airs was on C-Span I wish everyone in the bill airs is bill airs is the original weather underground guy they armed themselves to the teeth and try to blow up the Pentagon and then he became and then he was a violent during the 60s and 70s a violent and domestic terrorist who then became a professor of education at the University of Illinois. I had the wrong answer. I should have said, I open carry. What are you talking about? My musket. Sorry, I missed all that. I gave the wrong answer to my family when they said you don't conceal carry. I should have said I open carry with my musket at Target. Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. All right, Bill, so Bill Ayers apparently also influenced on the president, right?

27:17 Because Austin, of course, is like an oasis in Texas and it's horrible. This is all part of, of course, we talked about this on the show a couple of times. We had the original clips of demographers who say that Texas is the next state. Is a blue state. Yeah, the next state to go completely blue. It's going to be a blue state as soon as Georgia, after Georgia turns blue, then Texas is next. And that will be orchestrated through a series of very hard ass maneuvers. And I think this is one of them. But that's not the general narrative, and of course it's inevitable that guns come up. Well, you know, Texas, yeah, you got guns? I said, yeah. But you don't conceal carry, do you? I said, no, I got it in the car, though. Mickey's got one in the car. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, this brings me to a bunch of clips. Oh, okay. I do want to talk about the reunion, so let's just make sure we do circle back. Yeah, we'll just say you brought out guns.

28:13 We got a circle back. Yeah, I have to okay. There's a couple of clips. I want to pull here because bill airs was on C-Span I wish everyone in the bill airs is bill airs is the original weather underground guy they armed themselves to the teeth and try to blow up the Pentagon and then he became and then he was a violent during the 60s and 70s a violent and domestic terrorist who then became a professor of education at the University of Illinois. I had the wrong answer. I should have said, I open carry. What are you talking about? My musket. Sorry, I missed all that. I gave the wrong answer to my family when they said you don't conceal carry. I should have said I open carry with my musket at Target. Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. All right, Bill, so Bill Ayers apparently also influenced on the president, right?

29:06 And supposedly, they're good old friends and whatever, but whatever the case is, he's just a left-wing ideologue who I actually praised in a show maybe a month ago because he had said some things that I thought were reasonable. But then again, on the more recent thing, this debate he had on C-SPAN, I think he was I think it was interesting that somebody asked, some Vietnam vet asked him a question that I don't think he expected to get the answer that he did. But that contrasts interestingly to me with a lecture given by this kid who's now an adult. When I first heard this kid, he's a fast-talking Orthodox Jew, one way to describe him, and fast-talking, quick-witted is the

29:59 Key very annoying guy you won't like him. Okay. His name's Ben Shapiro. Okay, and Shapiro is a right-wing Jew which is unusual in and of itself and he he is he's one of those kids who graduated when he was 16 and then took a couple, you know, and then he got his degrees and At the big schools. He's a smart guy. Mm-hmm And he's a writer and he's a speaker. And I first heard him do public speaking when he was like 17 or 16. And he was on C-SPAN and I was watching him as a kid. This was years ago. And I said, oh, this kid's dangerous. And he's just getting more dangerous and he's not even mature yet as far as I can tell.

30:42 But he does talk about a couple of things on guns. And then I want to play those clips and then I want to contrast it with the Bill Ayers commentary that was on a different event. So let's play, let's see, we've got Ben Shapiro on guns. I think the one we want is Ben Shapiro on guns one. The American people do not understand a fundamental truth. That fundamental truth is that... Okay, yes, right off the bat, you're right. I hate him. Every government law, every government regulation is backed by a gun. Every one of them. In the end, the EPA regulations on how much water you use in your toilet. If you don't use the proper amount of water in your toilet, the first thing they will do is they will send you a fine. If you refuse to pay the fine, they will put a lien on your property. If you refuse to pay the lien, they will send an agent with a gun to your house to arrest you. And if you resist, they'll shoot you.

31:37 Every government law is backed by point of gun. And if Americans realize this, if it occurred to them that this was the truth, they might be a little bit more careful about what exactly they decided to give people the power to do with a gun. The left has this meme that folks on the right love guns. We love guns. You're right, we do love guns for self-defense. There's only one group in America that loves guns more than folks on the right. Folks on the left who want to use the government gun in order to violate the rights of people on the right. They love guns. They just don't want us to have them. But isn't this guy one of the Breitbart group? He writes for bright boy. I'll gather operation. All right. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so so so This argument is pretty was the kind of argument you could have used easily I should have used that it's a you guys just want to kill the citizens We just want to in Texas. We just want to be ready to fight back So he has another longer little exposition which we should play which is which is the guns and morality talk

32:37 But actually, let's skip that because you don't want to have too much Ben Shapiro in a row. Let's just back off and go to Bill Ayers on the Second Amendment. Now, he's having a discussion with this other guy. What's his name? I have to think about it. This Indian guy who's always debating Ayers for some reason. And he... Not Farid, Zakaria. No, no, no. He'd be on Ayers' side. Why would you debate him? Sorry. Right. I gotta think of his name in a minute. Anyway, Ayers, now they're taking questions from the audience and a Vietnam vet comes up and this just to me was just, I lost, I've lost all respect for Bill Ayers on this answer. Michelle, do you want to start? Yeah, sure. You ready? Hello, my name is Michael Walsh. I'm from Troy, New Hampshire. Mr. Ayers, I live through your times. I was in Vietnam in 68, the Tet Offensive in the 101st Airborne Division. I came back.

33:43 You got to hear the other side. I came back and I was at the moratorium in Boston Common. I heard Abbie Hoffman speak. We marched down Mass Ave and took over Harvard Square. I had more tear gas that night than I ever had in my life. And you took an armed stance against the United States government. And I might not agree with it, but it took courage to do that. How do you still feel about the right to bear arms? Do I have a right to bear arms or is it only the government that has gets to have guns? You're asking me about the Second Amendment? I think that I think we've gone way too far and that we need to find a way to take the you know take back some of the extreme kind of gun ownership that exists. It's not a question of do I think that I think we should disarm and I think that means that we should

34:36 absolutely allow serious background checks to allow, you know, serious kind of limits on what people are sold. The idea that somehow everybody has a right to a machine gun and that's protected by the Second Amendment is pure folly and it's ridiculous and it's leading us in a very dangerous direction. Mr. DeSouza, would you comment on that, please? Machine guns are...you don't have a right to a machine gun. Well, here's the thing. I think you do have a right to a machine gun. By the way, on the other side of the debate was Denise DeSouza, who's always debating him. I think, for one thing, this guy uses guns and weapons to make his points during his protests, but now that he's an establishment guy... He's an elite. He's an elite.

35:21 And this is, again, the same argument. I've never been convinced about the machine gun argument. Yeah, I don't want people with machine guns, but I don't see that they don't fit into the scheme of things. Before in the 1800s, people had cannons. Yeah, I was going to say that's what we've talked about before. Was it Joe Frazier? Joe Frazier. Or Cassius Clay. I knew you'd love me for that. It was Cassius Clay. Come on, come on. Don't I get a ding for that? Come on. That was funny. You get a ding for Joe Frazier. That was good. You can do a callback. It was a very complex callback. Thank you. It's intricate. It's a callback removed. It's very, very unique. I've never seen you do that before. The aristocrats.

36:06 Anyway, yeah, let's...now you can play the longer clip of Shapiro because you're getting a little closer to his pacing. And he just excoriates this argument that Bill Ayer has just made and talks about how dumb the Republicans are about all this stuff. Shapiro is a very entertaining guy. He's got great arguments that you can twist. Use yourself in some way or other I believe and I very much enjoy listening to him even though he's a fast talker But having gone to Cal Burke This type of patter is not unknown to me. And this is Bill Shapiro on guns and morality. It's a long clip. You have to speak the language of morality. You must speak the language of morality. The left wins because nobody on the left knows anything about politics. They know you're evil. That's it. They know you're a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe who hates the poor. He's right about that. That's pretty much everyone in Texas except in Austin. Right? That's what they know about you. And it's not they think that about you. They know that about you.

37:08 Deep down they know all these evil things about you which is why Thanksgiving dinners are always so awkward if you're unfortunate to have Jewish relatives or where you have friends on the left which are the exact same focus group. The answer to all of this is to speak in the language of morality. This is why I never say the government compels people to do stuff. The government does not compel people to do stuff. The government compels people to do stuff at point of gun. Why do I say that? Because leftists are scared of guns. When we say the government compels things, people say, oh well, compulsion, well that's just like taxes, right? No. That's somebody coming to your house in the middle of the night with a SWAT team, with a gun, pointing it at you and dragging you off to prison for not doing what they want. Right? That is what we are facing. Right? When it comes to the left, it's not, when we, we're such idiots, honestly. We were constantly arguing about whether our tax program is more efficient than their tax program.

38:00 It's not about efficiency. Barack Obama gave the right answer to the wrong question, right? He gave – when he was asked in 2008, do you – would you raise the capital gains tax even if it means less revenue to the government? Would you raise it? He said yes for purposes of fairness. Even if it meant people were more impoverished, even if it meant people were more poor. The answer was yes, for purposes of fairness. Why? Because people don't speak the language of poverty. People don't speak the language of efficiency. People don't speak Mitt Romney's 57 point tax plan. You can't even name two points on his 57 point tax plan. People speak the language of fairness and justice and morality. They want to think that they are right and the other guy is wrong. They want to have a feeling of

38:39 in many cases unearned moral superiority based on their opposition to things. This is why all of the, everybody was getting off ripping on Donald Sterling for being a crazy old racist coot. Did they accomplish anything? No, but they felt real good because they got to go around telling all their friends that Donald Sterling was a racist old coot. Right? This is what they do. So speak their language. In other words, next time they say something like I believe in the minimum wage, then you should say, why exactly is it that you want to put a gun to the head of a business owner and force them to pay something? Why is that okay? Why isn't that violent of basic principles of consent? Like you, you know, you over here. You like gay marriage because you say that two men should be able to wet each other, but those two men shouldn't be able to do business with each other in a mutually agreed relationship. So if instead of them having sex, they were actually just one was signing a check to the other to paint his car, then you're saying that's not okay? And that you're going to take a gun and put it to the head of one of them in order to make that happen? It's because you're totalitarian.

39:37 Anyway, so that's the thing that's the opposite of Bill Ayers, who is just... And I think that is the argument, that it's okay for the government to have all these guns pointing at your head and you can't have a gun. You can't have a gun. Well, this is where I get to... Anything else? I get to tell my story briefly. I will abbreviate it because it was not too long ago that we discussed it when the IRS came into my place of business, that it was a company that I had co-founded And I had been out of the United States for over a decade and my name showed up on the payroll of my own company and the IRS agents came in with their hands on their guns and said, we've been looking for you. About taxes with guns. Yeah. That was annoying. Yeah, no, you've told the story before. It's a disgusting tale. And I said, you're not a tax scammer. You're a straight up honest guy.

39:37 Anyway, so that's the thing that's the opposite of Bill Ayers, who is just... And I think that is the argument, that it's okay for the government to have all these guns pointing at your head and you can't have a gun. You can't have a gun. Well, this is where I get to... Anything else? I get to tell my story briefly. I will abbreviate it because it was not too long ago that we discussed it when the IRS came into my place of business, that it was a company that I had co-founded And I had been out of the United States for over a decade and my name showed up on the payroll of my own company and the IRS agents came in with their hands on their guns and said, we've been looking for you. About taxes with guns. Yeah. That was annoying. Yeah, no, you've told the story before. It's a disgusting tale. And I said, you're not a tax scammer. You're a straight up honest guy.

40:40 And yeah, you traveled a lot, so you were in and out of the country, and they lost track of you. Well, I was a bad citizen because my tax people in the Netherlands at the time did not file appropriate paperwork. I believe the United States is the only country where you have to file, even if you pay taxes in a different country, which I did. You have to let the government know you did that. And if you didn't, you are immediately accused of being guilty and you are penalized as I received a... If you were to look at my credit history, which anyone can do, I believe it says tax lien $134,000, which was their calculation, they just calculated it.

41:23 And they put that lien on for over a year, garnished my wages from my own company while I spent tens of thousands of dollars proving that I had just not filed the proper paperwork but had indeed paid all of the appropriate taxes in the Netherlands and Belgium and in the United Kingdom. And this, this mark on my record does not go away, I believe until 2017, even though it says lien removed, it's still on there. And anyone who looks at my, my credit, and this is all that's on my credit report at this point, they say like, well, you have no credit cards. You don't have any credit, no car loans, no mortgage, but you have this tax lien that they went away for a hundred. No, you're no good. Yeah.

42:12 I don't care. Except I did not, I was not able to get my Hertz gold car points because I signed up for, I rented a car at JFK. You didn't get your points? No, because you have to sign up with a credit card. You can't sign up with a debit card. Oh. Well, you know now, how much do the banks have made them combo cards so it makes it a little easier? Nope. No, would not, Hertz does not accept that. And I had a mechanics bank credit card and I think I had it. I've never used it maybe once or twice. There's a $2,000 limit as far as I know. And I use it and they say, well, no, it's $500 now. So you can't use this for this car because they have to double up in case you, I don't know, steal the car or whatever.

42:58 And then we call the bank and the bank gets the supervisor and they will can't use it. Look at my I got money in the account, you know, no. Well, we can request your limit to be raised, but it will take seven to 10 days. Why don't you do that? Well, I cut this card in half, douchebag. Jeez. But anyway, OK. Anyway, guns. Government has guns and they have lots of them. And now of course there's a big scandal going on nationwide about, since they've armed all these police departments with military vehicles and military weaponry, now they're starting to rethink the policy saying the public's getting a little annoyed by this. Annoyed? Really?

43:45 Well, they're not really. So let's talk about the reunion. Okay. All right. So a number of characters I need to discuss at this reunion, one of which is, of course, my Uncle Don, who has just released his book, his memoir, Pot Shards. Pot Shards? Yes. I'm not crazy about the title, but he was really... I read the introduction. It comes that he collected shards of pottery throughout mainly his tours in Asia. in South Korea and Japan, and it's subtitled, Fragments of a Life Lived in CIA, the White House, and the Two Koreas. And you can, people can look him up on the Wikipedia. Well, I want people to buy this book, and I'll tell you why in a minute. Okay, I'll buy it. No, you must buy it. You really have to. I must obey! It's released on

44:38 ADST D'accord Diplomates in Diplomacy series. This is a publisher who pretty much has no money, no marketing, no publicist, no connections, but they know how to get a book printed and... Oh, this might be really a good book, then. Oh yeah. Because apparently none of the big publishers wanted to touch it. No one wants to touch it, and it's easy to tell you why. However, he does have some nice blurbs on the back. Yeah, well, anyone can get blurbs. Tim Weiner, author of one of our favorite books, Legacy of Ashes, The History of the CIA, he says, Donald Gregg's career as CIA Station Chief, United States Ambassador, and National Security Advisor to George H.W. Bush would make a great spy novel.

45:27 This autobiography makes an even better book. No American knows more about North Korea. Few have seen the mechanics of the US intelligence community with greater clarity, essential reading for anyone who cares about our country and its foreign policies. And then of course he has, you know, Christopher Buckley writes a blurb. Of course, Christopher was married to his daughter, Lucy. So that doesn't count, I don't think. I think that was easy. and then the P.S. Nicholas Dumovik, staff historian, CIA Center for the Study of Intelligence. And I know that he went through a lot of trouble. Of course, the CIA has to vet these kind of books. And I think the biggest problem is he wanted to write about his decade in Japan. His two daughters were born in Japan, but the CIA initially, from what I understand, said, you can't write about Japan at all. Like, what? It's not like a big secret that he was living in Japan.

46:22 What was the... well, they... No idea what the issue is. No idea. Well, but when does this book come out? It's out. It's out now. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it. I'm on Amazon now. I don't see any evidence that it's here. Did you look for Donald Gregg? G-R-E-G-G? I've got it from Amazon. I have it from Amazon. Okay, wait a minute. I just put Don Gregg. You should probably do Donald. Yeah. Pot shards. Okay, you got it. I get the hardcover and he actually, so I brought mine after I read it cover to cover and he and I said, would you please write something in for me? He did. He says to Adam, so glad you dropped out of Salem College with cheers and great admiration. He's great. I'm a dropout.

47:14 That's pretty cool. Jeez. Okay, so... Okay, I'm buying the book as we speak. Good. I had a lot of opportunity to talk to Don and he specifically wanted to talk to me about marketing of the book. And I said, Don, look, you got a problem. He said, yeah, I know. The problem is in your book, and there's a number of things that are worth discussing, particularly Iran-Contra, which he was implicated in and intimately involved in. and I think got screwed for his whatever involvement he had and he's quite clear about that. But the problem is North Korea. In North Korea he's very clear, which was the message that we played when he was on Fareed Zakaria, who by the way is not inviting him back to come talk about his book, because he went on CNN, Fareed Zakaria, and said, you know, we've got to stop this insanity with North Korea. These people just want to have peace. They don't want armistice. They want to have

48:11 peace, they don't want to be seen as villains. They want to have international trade and yeah, they want to have nuclear facilities if they feel like it. But they just want to talk. And by the way, there's some issues with the Japanese. Don is very unhappy with Abe and the new military change in the constitution. when of course there's some issues that haven't had there's never been an apology for some of the things the Japanese have done towards the Koreans and China and that's all rarely even brought up. And I said by the Chinese and the Koreans. Yeah, but not here in the United States or in the West is not really discussed that way. And, and

48:59 Sounds like Don's gone rogue. Well, this is the problem. I said, you know, this is this is the problem He says yeah, I know so there's there's avenues that you can you can take and we may be able to find somebody and I said, you know, you could always try that Glenn Greenwald guy He didn't even respond to that man, he's just like yeah, all right But this book you like the book I think John and A lot. Uncle Don is a top class or was and still is, I think, pretty good. But, you know, he's now 86 top class tennis player and he's won many, many tournaments and has played pros throughout his life. And he describes one game that he played and with the Meg, who with my my aunt and his wife, they played doubles against Zbigniew Brzezinski at one of their at one of the bigs.

49:49 dinner parties, afternoons, and Meg and Don were much stronger than Zbig and his wife. And Meg, who should write her own book, she whispered to Don like, hey, maybe we should ease up a little bit. And Don's like, no, screw it, let's beat him. And they just creamed him. And they were never invited back to Zbigniew Brzezinski's house for dinner ever again. But then 20 years later, He's on some mission with maybe it was was a big new with when who was that was with Carter Carter and and Don was I think national counterintelligence

50:30 officer or something. I think he was in the agency at the time. Well, yeah. I think I don't it's reading the book. I don't think he ever gets out of the agency. He just roams around with different. You get different positions as a quote unquote civilian in the White House or whatever. And it's a big new invited him up and said, hey, let's play some chess. And Don was, as he writes in the book, playing way above his grade. Then he made a big mistake. It's a big beat him, beat him with the second one and then said, It makes up for the tennis match. So, you know, it's big news a guy who clearly holds a grudge for a long time. Anyway, the... With tennis and things like that, yeah, the guy's a peach. That shows what a peach you are. You play a pickup game of basketball or horse and you lose and you hold a grudge for the rest of your life. I hate it when I lose at horse. It's very bad.

51:26 So, but what Don did say is, I said, you know, well, what do you want? And he said, well, this is a Don Gregg question. I said, yeah, that's why I'm asking you. What do you really want? He said, well, first I want the book to be taken seriously. Well, every writer wants that. He said, and I'd really just like to be...he's going to do the Brookings, a speech at the Brookings Institute on the 23rd, which I'm invited to. I might have to go to that. Might be kind of cool to be in the audience at the Brookings Institute. But he says what he would really like, because he does like him, he would love to be on Morning Joe with Zbigniew and talk about North Korea. I was like, okay, I'll mention it on the show. You never know if there's a producer out there who's going to say that's a great idea. And I actually I think that those two would be pretty funny together, though, if Zbigniew was in studio and not just on his Skype connection or whatever he is.

52:18 So, you know if he'd hire some publicist who has access to all these bookers, he'd get on a lot of shows. I know, but they're retired, they don't have the money to hire a publicist and the... Nor does the publisher have any money to market this thing. That's the problem. We were, he had a whole stack of books and everyone wanted a book, had to buy it from them. They can't afford to give away hardcover books anymore. You laugh, but I don't. You're selling books that the family were using on tables? Almost. But it was, I found it to be humiliating because the guy's, he's one of the most patriotic people I know who has done incredible things for the United States and is very honest and open about what he's done. You vote for Obama, this is what happens. We turn, amen, that's it.

53:09 And so the other thing in the book that I didn't want to talk about, which is, and I got, you gotta appreciate this guy. So I think we talked on the previous episode about Felix Rodriguez, who was involved in Iran-Contra. And he was, yes, and he was, and he's also the guy involved in the torture at Gitmo. So, so this is, so Don describes his dealings with, with Felix in Vietnam. when he was stationed with Meg, and it's a great... I should have bookmarked it. I'll see if I can... Maybe I'll read that. It's like one paragraph that's great. They would have a... like a dinner party. He was a diplomat as well as station chief or whatever. And they had a dinner party, and then Felix would drop by, still wearing his flak jacket, smoke coming out of his hair, hand grenades strapped to his belt. He would come clunking in like, hey, I'm here for the party. He would just come from the helicopter from God knows what combat.

54:04 And they went through a lot of things together and he was very loyal to Felix. But I think the mistake that he made in this whole Iran-Contra thing is he introduced Felix to his boss, HW, and that somehow made HW He had no plausible deniability of not knowing what Oliver North was up to, who was really the guy who was doing a lot of this Iran-Contra work. And he does a pretty good job of explaining it in the book, but maybe not to the satisfaction— That was a screw-up. Yeah, yeah. He's a screw-up and he got screwed over it. That's really what happened. And I think it's guys like Ollie North who were the a-holes in this, and they tried to get away with everything.

54:52 Anyway, one other thing I want to mention about the book, it starts off in the beginning. He met my Aunt Meg in 1951, I think, and she was working at CIA too. I didn't know that she was in Russian ops. She speaks Russian. No! I didn't know this about my Aunt Meg. Every time you go to one of these events, you find out something new. And it's fabulous. I'm like, hey Aunt Meg! Let's talk so no wonder everyone's all messed up over Putin over there in the family Everyone's just crazy about Putin. Okay, so but it was this was lovely and we had a nice speech now Christina's with me which

55:35 It's really great. She flew in from Rotterdam to be here and she has no brothers or sisters and she has one direct cousin, Patricia's sister, as a daughter. And that's really... so Christina has never really felt that she had family but now everyone's kind of of age and a lot of people came from the other sides of the clan and there must have been 20 kids between 18 and 30 and they all kind of look the same and she's like, Dad, Not only do we kind of look alike, but they're all on the spectrum. They're all messed up. We've all got tics and Tourette's and you know, depression and we're all crazy. We're also really fun to be around and we've got talents. You know, we can play...

56:24 from memory, classical pieces of music and everyone has some kind of superpower, but we're all kind of messed up. I was like, yeah, there you go. This is your family. Welcome to it. But that was nice. It was nice to see her bond with the family that she had never really interacted with. As weird as that may sound, Yeah, I heard that. Yeah, I heard it too. Sorry. Okay. Alright. Two more. Well, one more important thing. Wait, I... I have one uncle we have not discussed. Okay. Uncle Ren. Ren? Renwick is his full name. Okay. We call him Renny. And Renny is my dad's brother and so he's a couple years older but he is

57:17 Still the third, he had four kids and so he was almost the youngest. My dad is the youngest and Wren was next. And I haven't really talked about him a lot on the show because I didn't get to sit down with him for such a long time. But I remember why I like him so much. He is a certified rocket scientist and worked his entire life for NASA. And I finally got, and by the way, big John C. Dvorak fan. And still is out in California. And he's retired and flies a Piper Cubs around with his buddies and... But he follows everything. And he... Is he a ham? He's not a ham, no. But he is a certified rocket scientist. And in 1963, he was sending spacecraft to Mars. Now, he said they weren't

58:09 they were, they didn't, we crashed them into Mars basically. We had an 8-bit transmission line that came back some huge latency, 8-bit, so that was the speed, 8 bits per second of transmission. And so in 63, they were trying to get stuff around Mars and they would send, you know, like no video data or anything like that, but they're sending some stuff back. And well, you understand, of course, that I had to start asking a few questions. Yeah, like the Israeli moon bases. Well, I asked specifically, I said, you know, tell me about the real moon bases. You know, we know that, you know, that whole initial thing was a hoax. And it is funny. So he's going like, well,

58:55 There really is no evidence that they landed. I don't really have any evidence of that. Wait a minute, are you from NASA? Are you really telling me this? Well, yeah, I'm with you Adam. I don't have actual evidence that we landed and it was pretty unsophisticated. I thought it was pretty cool how just a few years before we were crashing spacecraft into planets to try and get some data. And then, you know, five years later, these guys had a thing that landed like science fiction with four legs and the lunar module. That was pretty impressive. And so he also was very perturbed about the erased video of the moon landing that NASA no longer has an original copy. He also finds it very annoying.

59:47 But here's the thing that I found the most interesting. I said, well, what do you think of Elon Musk? He says he is the modern day PT Barnum. Yeah. I thank you. He said that guy's a jabroni. He's a great marketer. He's full of crap. He's showing stuff from 100 years old and then he's getting people to fund it. And PT Barnum, very good at marketing. Nothing else. I thought that's pretty cool. That's my uncle Ren, the official rocket scientist. That's an interesting guy. Absolutely. So we'll get more from Ren. I should meet up with him if he's in the area. Oh, he probably should listen to the show. You would be surprised how many people, a lot of people are listening to this very episode. You can trust that. So be careful. Okay, well, here's the question that I've thought, this is where I would hope you'd gone and I'm going to ask you if you did, which is you go to your aunt,

1:00:45 and begin to ask her about Putin, because she understands Russian and she probably follows it still. People tend to... It's not like, you know, you get into something like a Russian analysis, you probably would stay with it just as a hobby. You have to understand, Meg, she is not someone who will answer a question directly. She will come to you later and give you kind of like a wink-wink, nudge-nudge. And that's what I was waiting for because I did open up the conversation about Putin. She gave me kind of, well, yeah, it's so hard to explain unless you've met them. And she's 6'1", you know, this is a statuesque woman, and, you know, ambassador, you know, wife, just, you know, everything, but also a complete in-the-know of everything, and has learned to not say anything. But she typically would give me something, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, somewhere, but that did not happen. I think I have to return

1:01:45 And I'm always very welcome to return of course to get more information. And what was lovely is Mickey had arranged for a 50th birthday cake to be presented right after the dinner, which everyone enjoyed eating. And I felt like an old man. I was that guy now. Yeah, I was that guy now. Hey, it's turning 50! Ooh, oh. Oh, yeah, it's for me. And let's eat some of his cake. Yeah. I'm mixing up Rodriguez. I'm sorry. I missed some of that. I said I'm mixing up Rodriguez with the newer guy whose name I think is also Rodriguez. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did mix up Rodriguez because he's not... He did not do the torture. In fact, there's a... No, no. He's out of business. But this new guy was similar. There's quite a bit about torture in the book.

1:02:49 And when Don specifically disregarded orders and could have ruined his career, but felt it was better for what he was doing at the time. He's a good guy. You know, maybe not everything he did was what we would do today. But you can, I think as someone who in Washington, DC during the Cuban Missile Crisis, with his neighbors, scoped out where they would hide in the basement. Because people really believed that was going to happen. And it's quite possible it was close to happening, that the Russian missiles would, you know, nuclear holocaust would ensue. And he writes about one evening coming home, driving over the Beltway, and it was kind of one of those little hills you go up, and he saw a spark in the middle of DC. And he realized later it was probably a train hitting a third rail or, you know, some electrical spark from a train.

1:03:42 And he, at that moment, had this, it started, you know, they have, they have, they bombed Washington, D.C. Can you imagine? It wouldn't be fun. So that fear was real and people responded in certain ways back then. So you didn't get any intelligence though? Nothing I can mention on the show. Well, I would, hopefully, maybe Meg will be listening and she could listen to this clip. which is the Russians coming to Ukraine, what I believe is a bogus story that was on VanCat. Okay. Let me see what we have. Yeah, got it. In fact, let me set it up. Okay. As you listen to this story, ask yourself,

1:04:27 Putin denies this ever happened, by the way, and he may or may not be right. Putin may lie. But ask yourself why nobody in this modern era, and I think you have to ask this with all stories, if you're boots on the ground or anything else and you're watching something, why aren't you making a video transcription? Cross-border tensions continue to... I'm sorry, you want me to stop here? I was going to say everybody has one of these in their pocket. Cross-border tensions continue to mount. Ukraine says its troops destroyed part of a Russian column of armoured vehicles that had crept across the border. This column was followed, our reconnaissance forces had it under surveillance, appropriate action was taken.

1:05:13 and part of it has been neutralised. NATO backed reports of what it called a Russian incursion near Izverin in an area controlled by pro-Russian separatists. Moscow has denied the accusation. Correspondent Sean Walker told France Vincati witnessed Russian personnel carriers entering Ukraine on Thursday night. We spotted a column of about 23 Wait, there's no YouTube video we can look at?

1:06:00 There's nothing. I mean, I haven't seen anything and these guys didn't show anything but they were standing... They were watching and watching and then it happened and nobody bothered to make a recording of it or take a photo. No! Why bother? Yeah, this is very disturbing. The lack of evidence in any form whatsoever now. And you tweeted something which I, or no, you responded to a tweet from our Ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Powers. And you put that in a newsletter.

1:06:35 Appropriately so. And she's also just saying stuff which there's no, not even photographic evidence at this point about ISIS, ISIL, whatever you want to call it. Well, another thing, let's look at that tweet. I had it in a newsletter, I think it's probably still on Twitter. Let me get it. And I did make a comment, I was the first to comment on it. Yes, that was kind of cool to see with the top of the list. Notice she didn't return any of the courtesy. But no, of course not. Why would she send anything to a schmuck like me? I mean, you know, she doesn't actually answer. She's not a very good tweeter or because she doesn't she never she doesn't get into dialogues and Twitter is largely about dialogue. How so? Are these people tone deaf? Do they tweet this out and not see that the majority of the tweets are either saying, oh, yeah, like you're not funding ISIS, ISIL, whatever you want to call it, advertising all the responses to this tweet? I'm going to read the tweet. All the responses to this tweet, I believe 90 percent of them are negative.

1:07:37 And she doesn't respond to any of them one way or the other. So, Samantha Power tweets, met a bishop today who described ISIL attack on Mosul hospital. Both those are hashtagged. Christian who wouldn't convert shot in head. Two who did convert had throats slit. Okay, now this is just doesn't sound right under any circumstances. Because the one thing... If you convert, then you're supposed to not have your throat slit. You get to live. Yeah, that would be the idea. And of course, the Christians generally, as we had in the clip of the last show, are allowed to have a choice of converting or paying taxes, paying money, a bribe. Right, right. Yes. Which is a very common, the most extreme of Muslim cults allow this because it's part of the

1:08:31 the culture. I immediately responded, shameful gossip designed to escalate violence. Where is the evidence? Photos, reports, Chaldean or what sort of Christian? And by the way, I was mispronouncing Chaldean as Chaladian, I think, in the last show when somebody called me out on it. Anyway, and Chaldeans would be the Christians generally over there. And then it goes on with other people bitching. It was, the US helps ISIL in Syria. Everybody knows that. Don't you think that that's a wrong position? I mean, just amoral behavior on our fellow humans cannot and must not ever be condoned. Idiot. Please advise your government to use its military power to defeat the caliphate using all means necessary. I liked a lot of that. Whenever they come back to that, it's just the caliphate. We have another one.

1:09:23 It's no longer shock to all dirty politics is what you can only do. I guess showing dead people on TV will be the next move, right? What do you think these murderous neo-Nazis you are sponsoring in the Ukraine with my tax money are doing? Yeah, that was a good one. I like that one. That was good. Yeah. And then the Assyrian genocide tweets in. Nimbazi Isis is massacring the Assyrians. Please acknowledge that. And it goes on and on with these complaints. She doesn't respond to one of them. I actually doubt that she even does these tweets. So I have two clips that relate to this. This is part of the setup.

1:10:21 It is just being propagated to bring up a story. Whatever we do, let's not talk about the big oil and gas conference coming up September 1 through 4. Let's not talk about how beautiful the city of Erbil is, how modern it is. how all the headquarters of Western oil companies are there, how one of the two major refineries is there, how the Kurdish oil is being refined and blown up through the pipelines out to Turkey from all around there. Don did say one thing. He said, Adam, I know you've been in Iraq. I've never been in Iraq, but I've been around enough to know this never made any sense. That region is not Iraq. It's not a country.

1:11:07 It was nice to hear him say that. It's not a country, it's tribes. And now we're finally seeing the way it should be, which is like oops, okay. Here is NBC promoting the religious meme. Apparently they found some Yazidis in Lincoln, Nebraska who are getting up-to-date information on this horrible atrocity. Hands up, don't shoot, we're Yazidis. As the humanitarian crisis plays out in northern Iraq, claims tonight of another massacre by ISIS militants reports that 80 members of a minority Yazidi community were killed in a village in that region. Why don't we have video? They've got videos of them shooting up, you know, tanks, or was it trucks and

1:11:59 They have video of that and they have videos dropping food and water and we have video of helicopters going down but we don't have video of this. It was fears of such attacks that drove thousands of Yezidis onto a mountain in northern Iraq and prompted this week's U.S. bombing campaign and all of All of this has people here in this country's biggest Yazidi community. It's bullcrap. At a bucolic park in Lincoln, Nebraska, the stories and the tears pour out. Everyone has had family members murdered by ISIS terrorists or are still missing. They don't know if they're still alive or they killed them. Notice the setup to that. So the setup is everyone has someone murdered or they know who's been murdered. And then the appropriate soundbite would be

1:12:46 My uncle was murdered. That's not the soundbite that comes back though. This is horrible journalism. ...terrorists or are still missing. They don't know if they're still alive or they killed them. Elias came to the U.S. eight months ago with his family. When he called his brother in Iraq, a member of ISIS answered. I love this one. Hello? I'm sorry to make a joke about this. That's crazy. That's like when you call home and you expect your wife to answer like, we have her, we've got her. And then a member of ISIS answered the cell phone or, you know, what happened there? Hello, this is ISIS. We have you, we have your brother. When he called his brother in Iraq, a member of ISIS answered. They tell you who they are.

1:13:36 Yeah, if somebody is not coming to the convert to the Muslims, we're gonna kill them. He said, you know who they are and he said, yeah, if you don't convert, they'll kill you. But she's just reading a script that has no bearing on what he's saying or any of these people are saying. This is a bunch of bullcrap. This is NBC. He's not coming to that. I'm going to move you back a little bit. I thought that was... Very interesting. They tell you who they are. Yeah, if somebody is not coming to convert to the Muslims, we're gonna kill them. She's saying something very different and he's not agreeing. He's saying if you don't convert to Muslims, we're gonna... and it could be any kind of quote. He could be talking about what some crazy Islamicists do.

1:14:33 Not necessarily what happened to him or his brother, but okay, we'll believe this hack job. Now she's sexy. Here's a school teacher and she's good-looking, she got, you know, sleeveless thing on. Her uncle sent video of the school where he lives with 700 others who escaped off Mount Sinjar. Cue video of children running in sand. He tells her horrifying stories about a market run by ISIS. There's no video from the uncle talking about it, but here she is. Selling Yazidi women in the Talafar market right now for about a couple of dollars. They are selling Yazidi women in the market? Oh brother.

1:15:18 I know I shouldn't be laughing because that's what I that's what people start you a whole curry shit your neck is a bull crap I love it. They're selling seriously a couple of dollars. What does it jip? How can it be only a couple of dollars? So the ISIS guys who are riding multi-million dollar tanks, they're sitting on top of rockets that cost at least a million bucks each, they're driving it around, which they found. They got $400 million that they found and yet they're selling women in the market for a couple of dollars.

1:15:57 I have to believe one or the other. It doesn't all fit together for me. They're selling Yezidi women in the Talafar market right now for about a couple of dollars. About 700 Yezidis now live in Nebraska, the largest population in the U.S. I got two boys, they born here. But family and faith tie them to the tragedy still unfolding more than 6,000 miles away. Okay. So, we'll just go along with your game. Please again, say nothing about what's actually going on with the resource, the extractives as our man Kerry would call them. Let's not mention any of that or anything that's going on with the oil business or really splitting up Iraq or rubble-izing the whole place as is what really the plan is. And now we have, I guess because State Department is so lame and

1:17:00 What's that? It's the Yazidis New Year celebration. Are you playing clips now? No, I went to YouTube. I was looking at the Yazidi, Yazidi Holy Day celebrations. I'm just, the group is in Lincoln, Nebraska. Yeah. And there's a, there's a chunk of them, I guess. And there's one here. They're wearing Arab outfits, at least in this clip. The chat room is saying this is good for Bitcoin because if your CD woman only costs a couple bucks, they should be accepting Bitcoin for it.

1:17:41 Here's a documentary by Etzer Spate following the peacock. Oh, please. And it's about the... Okay, I'll have to look into this a little more. It's very sketchy. The Yazidis are a sub-segment of the Muslims to begin with. It's very apparent. and most of this is, I don't know what they're trying to pull here on us but it's something. It's a distraction, it's totally a distraction. And the beginning of that report, I want to mention this, the beginning of that report which says that the reason for the bombing that we took

1:18:17 that the Americans did, it was triggered by the Yazidis up in the mountains when it's clear that it wasn't triggered by that at all. It was to protect the American interest in that town. Yeah, we're not talking about that anymore. That's not how we do it. Now, so we know we have this Sergeant at Arms, Master, whatever his name is, Kirby, who's the spokesman for the Pentagon. This is starting to get interesting. Because if you have a person, Josh Earnest for the White House, this guy, he needs to go. He has no presence, he has no voice, he's nothing. So Kirby is kind of a guy to watch, he's the spokesman for the Department of Defense. Although he's messing, he can't figure out ISIS, ISIL, he doesn't know what to do there either. No one has got the branding down. I don't know why they can't just... Everyone's worried that the public for some reason won't understand.

1:19:12 We tried ISIL, and then we went to try to make it easy with IS. But the news networks are too dumb. They keep saying ISIS, and no one wants to get with the program. But if you have a guy from the Pentagon, do you want some like language? Like do you want people to say we're going to kick their ass? Which clearly Marie Harf, she never could come out and say, yeah, our mission is to destroy ISIS, to decimate them, to get rid of them. Don't you want a guy from the Pentagon to say something like that? I would think so. And I want to just say, just as a quick aside, Marie Harf, I was going through the tweets, she doesn't follow Friday. Oh my God. And who, and are we on her list?

1:20:00 Hashtag FF. Oh, no, some Iraqi guy she put on there. Okay. Follow Friday. Anyway, I'm sorry. Go on. Yeah. No, you want some guy that sounds tough. Can you talk about the threat that you're seeing to Erbil now after like six or seven days now? of strikes. Is the threat as pressing as it was when all these strikes began? We think that we've had a disruptive effect on ISIL's ability to threaten Erbil, but we don't believe that it's been completely eliminated. It's difficult to know what their intent is

1:20:37 Exactly, with respect to Erbil. So we're watching it very closely. We have, as you know, we have a joint operations center there, we have a consulate there, we have responsibilities to American citizens and facilities and we're not going to let go on that. But it's, I can't give you, I mean, what I would tell you is we still believe that Erbil faces threats from ISIL. It's just unclear exactly what their full intent is. And that's point one. Point two, we know we've disrupted their ability to threaten ISIL. We certainly put a hurtin' on them with respect to... We put a hurtin' on them! John! We came in and we put a hurtin' on them! Should we have somebody with a male voice that has actually had his voice changed, you know, through puberty? We put a hurtin' on them. Oh man, we put a hurtin' on them. Their activities in and around Erbil. And we'll continue to do that as needed. We'll bring the hurt! We put a hurtin' on them.

1:21:34 What kind of talk is this? They so desperately want to be the badass guys, but then they do put the hurt on them. We haven't quite gotten rid of them, but we'll put the hurt on them. Yeah. I mean, I think our original thesis, this is an American operation, the whole ISIS-ISIL thing. Yeah. Maybe looks more and more correct as time goes by Absolutely, it is it's it's leftovers from Syria leftovers from Libya passed on through all all the stuff our weapons Are they look at their uniforms? They've great uniforms. Is it they got right in that Oakland Raiders flag that they got?

1:22:17 Exactly. Well, anyway, John, here from FEMA Region 2, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. Well, and it's about time to say in the morning because I want to say in the morning to you, Adam Curry, in the morning, all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. I want to thank our, of course, our human resources in the chat room, noagendastream.com. I want to thank our artists. We have a big thank you to our artists for episode 643, Memphis Jeff. I do not believe, I do not believe Memphis Jeff has

1:22:56 has ever done artwork for the show that I can remember. I don't recall him. If he did, it was a while back. And we, of course, appreciate all the work that our artists do. You can see everything that's submitted at noagendaartgenerator.com and we look forward, as always, to what we can see for today's artwork. It's very important, the artwork for each individual program. We do have a few people to thank for being executive producers and associate executive producers for show 644, including Biz Skits. who was an instantite. Wow. Don Tommaso di Toronto, of course he's an instant, he's already been a knight I believe, he's another, he's an onward with a donation of one, two, three, four, five, six, which is my personal favorite donation.

1:23:43 Nice. From Don Tomaso de Toronto, buongiorno John and Adam, this is my donation to the best podcast in the universe. Your analysis has been outstanding lately. Not only do I get to hear unique perspectives on current events, I get a chuckle while doing so. Hey. Is there more to this note? I don't have any more, that's all I can check. I'm also kind of handicapped in my... Oh, well let me take a look on my side. I also get a good chuckle. I'm going through this as far as I can. Yeah, and when doing, I didn't have the so, I have when doing. I also get a good chuckle when doing. That's where mine ends too, I ad libbed the end. Excellent. Okay, hold on, let's re-get a minute. Let me just do a quick look in the email and see if there's anything from Biz Sketch. Just put Biz on here, of course it'd be coming in from a different email.

1:24:46 Mmm. Yeah Mmm biscuits is here and he would come in with and this is a what it would have a name for guys this mom this one two three four five six donation don't we have a name for this this I wish Let's make it something happy days is what I call it Good for good for Tom. Yeah, exactly Okay, Tom, it's Tom and we'll give his email out, but Tom add something and I'll look him up that way Okay, a lot of Toms

1:25:27 There he is. PayPal no truncated. That's right. I think I printed this out. Here's my donation to the Betchcoff Center. Get a good chuckle while doing so. I have not heard the Clooney is a spy jingle in some time, so I want to request that and a simple shot of karma for the two of you. Your humble servant from the north. DTDT. Okay. All right. So that's what we needed. Although I do think we played that recently, but not a problem. Happy to do it again. You've got karma and thank you very much Tom highly appreciate money's got DTDT because we have another guy came in with DJ de de Strange people coming in with strange names. Hey, thanks Tom highly appreciated

1:26:21 If you want some sort of extra I think he wants to know it must be Duke something by now Sir Wayne sir Dwayne sir Dwayne Melancon the Duke of mystery from Tig tie guard, Oregon. Yeah, good girl through that yeah late 333 Duke of mystery here I am sending a boom donation of 80 o3 and challenge all Oregonians to chip in with $80 and 3 cents or $30 and 8 cents and Boom shaka laka donation. Okay. I'll waive sales tax and make other people pump your gas in Oregon to make this easier. So in Oregon you can't pump your own gas, it's illegal.

1:27:12 And so they employ people to pump gas, like they used to be in the olden days. And there's no sales tax in Oregon. So it creates a very interesting situation on the border because in Washington State, there's no personal income tax. In Oregon, there's personal income tax but no sales tax. How confusing. So, the smart money lives up in Washington on the border. And gets gas in Oregon. No, they buy stuff in Oregon because there's no sales tax. Right. Okay. So, you buy your cars, furniture, groceries, whatever you want. So, what I would do is I would have... What's the main road people travel on between the two states? Five. The five. I would have a thin wire

1:28:01 that would decapitate anyone crossing the road with their goods. Well, they want to put...they want to start charging $100 or something toll for people that do this, which is not going to go over because people do have to go there for other reasons just to buy groceries. It's a minor injury. And of course, you know, the Oregonians are of the sort that they actually live on their side of the border and shop in Washington. Okay. Only people in Washington will think that's funny. Yeah, I clearly didn't get it. Yeah, no, it's very funny. Chris Spears in Austin, Texas wrapped the street from you $222.22. Hi John and Adam, as always, I hope you get some value for value.

1:28:46 Finds you well, please de-douche me for the relief I felt when John finally accepted my LinkedIn invitation. It is appropriate that Lord— Sorry. I'm sorry. Go on. De-douche him. You've been de-douched. It is appropriate that Lord Dvorak asks for my obedience. Oh, it's Chris. You see, this is why I should have waited. You will obey. Yeah, exactly. That's kind of good. Do a live one like that. That's good. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. And we'll hand him a karma while he's at it. Might as well. You've got karma.

1:29:28 $222.22, a second one in a row from Holland. Here with Livia and I nominate our newborn boy from Brazil, my just-reached night ship as Sir Eric of the Amazon, and please add to the list Mother's Milk and Red Pills. Pictures can be found on Ruleflower.com. I'm sorry, Rulefollower.com. And please don't eat me. So he wants a please don't eat me LGY Leo science karma. Okay, hold on a second. What is the thing I have to add? I have to add... What do I have to add to the rewards? Mother's milk and red pills. Okay, hold on. Really? Mother's milk and red pills.

1:30:18 Holy moly, people. We're gonna try and keep these donation sequences down a little bit. So he wants RuleFollower, Don'tEatMeHillary, LGY, and then... No, no. He doesn't. No, no. RuleFollower.com is his thing. He wants Just Don't Eat Me, LGY, Leo Science Karma. Those are four. Leo Science Karma. Okay. Alright. I'm gonna do the rule- I got the rule follower lined up anyway. I'm a rule follower, so if the rule is that we have to do it, then I'll do it. Oh, sorry. And then of course, a karma. Leo came too fast. You've got karma. Heyo. Yeah, I've heard that before. Luke Rayner, $204.56 from Blackstock Road in London, UK. I knew it was time to donate again when I inadvertently pronounced the word attach as attache while reading something aloud.

1:31:22 This donation makes me a knight. As I regularly donate asking for karma for my bike events, I'd like to be known as Sir Luke of London, the knight on a bike. It's taken me just under three years and I'm proud to have supported you guys to the level of knighthood. Please give a karma shoutout for my next bike event. The Hertfordshire 100 on the Sunday, the 24th of August. I want everyone involved to have an enjoyable, injury-free, puncture-free happy day. Keep up the good work and I hope one day to become a Grand Duke. Luke the Duke has a certain ring to it. Certainly does. And this is so nice to hear that these long-term supporters of the show

1:32:06 You know, it really does work. It does happen. You can get to the knighthood. It doesn't, you know, you can do this over many, many episodes, many years. It's just as valid. And you get the ring and you get the certificate and we're very, very happy. And we'll be welcoming Luke, Sir Luke of London, the knight on a bike to the round table later on today during the show. Congratulations. You've got karma. Very, very happy. Very happy. That's it, I think. Okay, yeah, that's it. Dvorak.org slash NA if you want to help us out on the show coming up on Thursday. This was, this day actually was saved by old Tom up there, Biscuits Tom, Don Tommaso di Toronto, which is, and I would encourage people to do the one, two, three, four, five, six, I think that's, but we don't have a name for it. We need to have, somebody needs to name this for us.

1:32:59 I thought we did have a name for it, but I could be a miss. I know a lot of people do 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It's the 6. That's what we want. That's the 6. Thank you all very much. These are official credits as you know. They can be used anywhere credits are accepted, especially LinkedIn works very, very well. And unlike the phonies in Hollywood, we are very happy to vouch for you if you need that. So we can say yes indeed, this person was an executive producer or associate executive producer of the best podcast in the universe. And of course, we always need you to go out there and do the important work of propagating the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up. Very nice.

1:34:05 Let's see, we have, it was very difficult of course for me to do the type of preparation that I usually like to bring to the table for the reasons just purely for travel and... Yeah, it's an inconvenience. It's somewhat of an inconvenience, yeah. The inconvenience is the travel time. You have to go to the airport. Hey, you went to the airport. Oh, I forgot to mention, yes. I have airport stories too because I went to Canada. Well, I'll tell you my, why don't you tell your, your Candanavia story. Maybe I can lead in, maybe I can lead in. I got TSA opt out, whatever it's called, in, out, and the other. What did you do? You opted out? I didn't opt out. I didn't have to because I had pre-check. You got pre-check.

1:34:52 On both ways. You got that you you were part of the randomly chosen because you are not an actual trusted traveler. You have not gone through the security check and had your fingerprints taken and an interview about hair bands from the 80s like I had. You have not done this. No. Yet you you received a pre-check as if you are a trusted traveler. Yeah, both ways. And and and you should certainly be excluded from any trusted traveler because you're a troublemaker. Well, I think people could say that. Whatever the case is, I had it anyway. So I go to the pre-check and the way out, the pre-check line is now getting to be a joke. It's really long. And so the way out I counted, we had 30 people in the pre-check line and 18 people in the regular line.

1:35:44 And the pre-check line was a bottleneck because it all went through the one thing and there was a guy screaming at everybody. And it's kind of ironic because of this, what they were screaming. Don't take off your belt! Yeah, don't take off your shoes! Don't take off your... because people go into the line and they're looking for those bins. There's no bins. A little circular bin for your wallet. No, they didn't have that. You keep that in your pocket? Anything. Well, no, they said put your wallet in your suitcase or put your wallet in your baggage. They were yelling at everybody. Put your wallet in your baggage. Do not take off your shoes. Do not take off your belt. Do not take out the computer. Do not take out the computer. I was slowing things down because people were trying to take out their computer. You fools, you're pre-checked. You're trusted travelers, kind of, not really. Lottery. Meanwhile, the other line was short.

1:36:35 and you could have gotten probably through faster. On the way back I have to say through Seattle that was not the case. The lines were, I actually hit the wrong hour or something and the lines were extremely long and the pre-check probably saved me 15-20 minutes. So that's okay. But it was like The pre-check thing was kind of a confused mess in Seattle. Oakland is pretty straightforward. They got a big line and big arrows, you know where to go. Well, this, so first of all, this is just an outrage. This is a money scam. Oh yeah. As you know, I traveled for the first time as a trusted traveler. as I have become a member of the Trusted Traveler program known as Global Entry, which qualifies you for a pre-check, which I did to facilitate and help my wife and be able to accompany her so she's no longer put in the fish tank every time she tries to enter the country legally with a resident alien card valid, but she has some flag next to her name and even though she, well, she obviously looks like a total terrorist,

1:37:36 They have to take her aside and make a joke. And they've always said, well, if you do a global entry, this won't happen anymore. So we will see upon our return from Amsterdam in September. Oh, it'll be a breeze. You go right through. Well, and of course, we're paying, you know why? You know why? You're playing by the rules. Ah, rule follower. If there's a rule, follow it. So we each paid $140 for the privilege of driving to Houston. Which is it's more than just a day trip really if you unless you want to drive up and down and be nuts and just in sorry Nothing, nothing. I just said a nasty thing about Houston all right And as we discussed on the show the interview consisted of I didn't even have to prove my address So a driver's license which has an old address on it

1:38:29 Uh, show your passport. Okay. Uh, put your fingers on here. Good. Hey! Hey! Hey! It's the interview portion. Did you know Robert Plant? Did you hang out with him in Austin? Hey man, do you know Rudy Sargent? He played with Blue Oyster Cult, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. Also with Whitesnake and Dio. I miss Dio. Yeah, I miss him too. That was my interview. And I will remind you that Nikki had a different interviewer. And because of her resident alien status, green card, It came up, said, well, you'll receive an email if you're approved or not. And my guy went, that of course, you know, it's bull crap. It's approved. It's just a delay it for a minute or two. You. And of course it came through approved. So I was pre-checked with the first time and I fly, flew on JetBlue with even more room. JetBlue? JetBlue. JetBlue. From Austin? Yeah. They have a flights, JetBlue. I didn't know that. Yeah.

1:39:27 I like JetBlue as an airline. They're okay. They got TV, live TV. Yeah, you know what? Southwest has got this new scam. I think this is genius. They have free Wi-Fi that streams Dish Network to your laptop. Great. It saves on all those screens. Really? Well, I didn't have any of that and actually wound up just finishing Don's book on the plane. But I was early flight and was very busy. Austin Bergstrom, still even 6.15 flight, so very, very early in the morning. And I had the pre-check and I go right up to the front of the line and straight through and set it on my ticket, pre-check. And I was actual pre-check, not some lottery. I had done the test. I had passed the test. I answered all the questions about Ronnie James Dio correctly. I was a trusted traveler.

1:40:17 I did have to take my belt off, which consisted of some studs. And I put that in the very, you're right, no bins, round circular bin. Now I am still traveling the way I've been traveling for many moons when I travel with the studio. I have two carry-ons. I have a laptop bag. To anyone in their right mind looking at this mess, a rat's nest of wires and strings. Let me explain what I have with me. I had multiple laptops, tablets, I had my Wi-Fi device, I had my Nokia E71 cell phone in case I needed to actually have a conversation with someone in New York. And I had my iCom ID31A, so I had a transmitting device which could be used to activate an IED

1:41:04 easily. That's what that's what you would expect to use. It had the antenna screwed on right there. So it looked like a walkie talkie with a wish you could also maybe I don't know, disrupt air traffic. I did have my license with me in case I need to show that I had the over the shoulder bag which consists of a long metallic round object cylindrical in form, which has always been taken out by everyone. which is the microphone, which I'm currently using, many wires, multiple boxes, computer-like devices, pieces of wood that prop up the iPad. This thing, it is an obvious red flag.

1:41:46 I would say yes to that. And the operator didn't barely even look at the screen. I have stood for many a time watching them make it blue, red, green, you know, look at all the different contours. What is this? And then still put it through again and then say, well, now we put it through again. We've looked at it in red, yellow and green. We got to open this up. We got to swab it. We got to swab you. But no flies right through. No problem. Because I'm a trusted traveler. But I could have been a trusted traveler on the lottery, which would mean I'm not trusted at all, like you, a troublemaker. Could happen. You could be a trusted terrorist. So this is an outrage. They've taken $280 of our money. Yeah. Well, this is not... Yes, but in your case, it's really more for Mickey's benefit. You don't really care one way or the other.

1:42:45 And no, I don't. And this is actually, you spent $280, which is outrageously high. You spent $280 of your hard-earned cash and you have only done this as an experiment for the listeners of the No Agenda Show for your return from Europe. Correct. Yeah, so it's actually a write-off. And Christina is with me and she is always egging me on to get a tattoo. Why? Because she wants her dad to have a tattoo. She has a lot of them. She's very into the ink. These kids today, they like the ink. And I'm thinking I should get on my arm, on my bicep, trusted traveler.

1:43:29 Or just trust, how about just trusted citizen? How about that? Trusted citizen. Trusted citizen. I think that would be really good. I have advice for people that think, want to get a tattoo. Some people do like them, some people don't. My advice is you get a Hanna tattoo, a fake tattoo, one of the permanent, semi-permanent ones that last for a couple of weeks first. Live with it see if you don't like it right. Oh, it's a good idea because what happens is you have I went to a party once where they had they were giving you these fake tattoos Yeah, and everybody was getting when I had a what part what party was this that kind of this is a great idea party somewhere Oh Facebook party my space and my space for this is pre Facebook. Oh, I had it sorry the GeoCities party

1:44:14 I don't know what that is. Anyway, so I went to this party and I had a panther tattooed to my forearm. And it looked like a real tattoo when they're said and done if they do them right. And so again, they had a saloon, you could pick all kinds of skulls, you could put all kinds of cool stuff on. And so it was stuck there for about, it stayed for about a week and a half before before I finally started to flake off. And I didn't like it, because I'd wake up in the morning, I'd look at my arm and I'd jump, thinking it was some huge bug or something crawling on me. It was just disturbing. I am not a person for the tattoo. That's my recommendation to people who want to try it out. I think I should design one that says, trusted citizen with a barcode, obviously. Oh yeah.

1:45:04 And it should be, the barcode should be your, or it could be one of those, one of those square barcode. Why not just a QR code? Just a QR code that sends you to the no agenda website. Exactly. QR code. I like it. Well, actually, one of the developers that I'm working on the HAM stuff with is we're talking about some stuff with QR codes on HAM. Very interesting idea. Well, that would be interesting. And now I want to...one more little anecdote about the trip. We're at a coffee place getting some coffee and we cashed some money to get some change. And one of the bills that came back was the Canadian plastic $10 bill.

1:45:47 And I realized, because I have...somebody sent me a plastic $5 bill. These bills, by the way, you don't even know...I had to tell Mimi that it was plastic. That's how well done they are. Even though half of it's like it's obviously plastic. I don't know how much these bills are used, but they seem to, I believe, I think that they seem to look and act newer, like new bills, longer. than a paper bill. And it's possible, I don't know, I'm going to look into this, some Candidavians may be able to tell me, they may be able to keep them in circulation longer, thus paying the extra expense of these plastic bills, because these can't be cheap to make. What denomination are they?

1:46:34 Well, so far I've seen five and ten, but I think they're all denominations. I think they've all gone to all plastic. I think it's just easier to snort your Coke with. Isn't that what it's for simply? I don't know. Just so it doesn't stick to the inside and just it rolls... Does it roll easy? It definitely will. Yeah, that's a possibility that the little crystals won't stay on the bills. The little crystals. There's flavor crystals in them. And they're probably more sanitary if you had to lick the bill. I got an email about your Indians and Candanavia question. Oh, I have the same email. You may read it. From Peter O'Rourke? No, I got another one from Karthik. Let's compare. Okay. Peter O'Rourke. And this is your question, why there are so many Indians in Canada.

1:47:21 Peter O'Rourke says, in the late 70s and early 80s, and certainly during the Reagan administration, a call went out from the U.S. for foreign physicians to fill less than glamorous jobs in the medical field like state mental health institutions and the like. These jobs were filled and this created a toehold for Indians on the continent. Before this Indian immigration had been light with only around 2,000 or so in the 1900 census, seeing the success of their Indian counterparts A wave of immigration ensued. The reason there are so many Indians in Canada is that after a residency in Canada of five years, entrance to the U.S. is almost guaranteed. This is the goal of many of the Candanavian Indians." And he says he got this information from an Indian friend. Interesting. Well, that's a lot different than my letter. No, this is what we like. Now, Karthik V.S., who is, I believe, of some heritage.

1:48:19 This is regarding John's comments about Indian people in Canada. I believe what John heard on the radio was not Hindu. It's Hindi, by the way. But it... so I have to remember that. It was probably Punjabi. There is a large Sikh population in BC that moved there after the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in India. Okay. This is a long story, but they happened because some Sikh bodyguards assassinated the then PM Indira Gandhi. According to the Statistics Canada, there are about 450,705 Punjabi people living in Canada. Out of the 182,915, and out of that, 182,915 live in BC.

1:49:03 According to the Affiliation of Multicultural Societies and Services Agencies of B.C., Punjabi remains the most commonly spoken immigrant non-official language spoken in the country, followed by Cantonese. Canada still remains a very popular place for Punjabi people to immigrate. Because they have friends and family there, but you will not see them all over the country because they prefer to live in certain cities like Surrey Brampton on Surrey BC Brampton Ontario and a few other places just in case you were wondering I'm still a boner and Soon to be a donor. I am a grad student at the University of Waterloo. I have a job soon enough. I'll be donating Well, I've been my no at least this will stop My note came from a donor so I you know

1:49:45 Well, my note came from someone named Karthick, and I believe that this is an accurate depiction of what I was experiencing. And probably they were Sikhs because they all had turbans on. Very good point. Well, let's see what this... This will beget some more feedback, I'm sure. It always does. John at curry.com, everybody. Send it to him. I have two clips for you now, John, from the Agenda 21 category. The science is in! Science! Big, big, big, big, really big shoe coming up here in New York City. The 20, I believe the 23rd of September. We have yet another gathering of climate scientists. And Al Gore, of course, is a, I think he's a

1:50:34 Didn't he start something with that global warming thing a while back? I don't know. I never heard of him. Turn into like the climate change thing and he has now engaged one of the apparently few, actually one of the many, we know now that almost no PR companies will work with climate deniers, climate change deniers. So he's working with WPP. If you're going to go for big, you know, you have Omnicom, WPP, and I think that's about it. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Every day own everything and he has come up. They've come up with a new campaign Which is really puts you citizen you young citizen? squarely in the driver's seat And this is a video that he is created with them And and I'm sure that this campaign is probably they're probably getting I would say three to five million you think it just a basic gore campaign for

1:51:31 some climate stuff that would be a three to five million dollar five million yeah you think it's five million direct billings or does that include media buy or do they do a media buy separate above and beyond that or is it maybe advanced Against media buy and but these are what won't be media buys. These will be public service announcements So they don't get a media buy angle, but they did create a website and and and put up that cost money $80 million. There we go people today have the most to lose from climate change and Yet haven't had a lot of say in the matter. Is this true? Do you feel that young people have the most to lose from climate change? What are they gonna lose? Change it's time that changed. I

1:52:11 while all the leaders of the world will be gathering at the United Nations Climate Summit in New York on September 23rd. The people with the most to lose from the decisions that are made, young people like you, won't be at the discussion table. I thought the Chinese or the Africans, I thought they were going to lose because we're smoking them out and they need climate credits and money and... I'm a little confused by this. But you can change all that. Visit askwhywhynot.org. What? Hey, Al, Mr. Gort, we have a great idea for a campaign. Are you ready? Are you ready for this idea? Ask Why Why Not?

1:52:57 Am I gonna ask why? Why not? Ask why, why not? And we already have the URL registered for you, Mr. Gore. Askwhywhynot.org. Okay, if you say so. You're the experts. You can be the voice of your generation. and challenge the likes of President Obama, Chancellor Merkel, and President Xi Jinping of China. We tried to get Justin Timberlake and we tried to get Taylor Swift, but we think that young kids will settle for Angela Merkel. That's why we have the website, askwhyyenot.org. On their climate policies when they attend the UN Climate Summit.

1:53:37 If you have ever asked why the planet is in the mess it's in, then let me ask you this. Why not do something about it? Ah, that's the tagline. I got it. So here's how you end the video, Mr. Gore. If you ever ask her why the planet is in such a mess... It is? Superstorm Sandy, my friend. Are you questioning that? You denier? Are you questioning what that was? How long ago was that anyway? Do you live in California? Are you questioning the drought? I find it so fascinating that in the one state where we have a certified drought, people are dousing themselves with ice water buckets. It's very, very, very, very interesting development we have there in Silicon Valley. You know, that's actually...I never...well, because we don't take the drought seriously because we've had these droughts before. Now, let me tell you something.

1:54:31 There's been real droughts here. This is yeah, this is a drought of sorts sure But we've had droughts to the point where Marin County had to have a pipeline dragged across the San Rafael Bridge, there was a pipeline across that bridge to get water to Marin County. That's how bad it was. We don't have a pipeline at this point. So it can't be that bad. So it can't be that bad. I've always...this is my indicator. How long ago was this, this pipeline? This was about 15 years ago, maybe 20. Did we have global warming then? Well, apparently... Well, it's hard to say I have no idea that we have global warming ever been whatever the case well yes, whatever the case I Find I think you hit something here. These guys are just waste waste mocking it mocking mocking it Wow And global warming by dousing themselves with this ice water ice

1:53:37 If you have ever asked why the planet is in the mess it's in, then let me ask you this. Why not do something about it? Ah, that's the tagline. I got it. So here's how you end the video, Mr. Gore. If you ever ask her why the planet is in such a mess... It is? Superstorm Sandy, my friend. Are you questioning that? You denier? Are you questioning what that was? How long ago was that anyway? Do you live in California? Are you questioning the drought? I find it so fascinating that in the one state where we have a certified drought, people are dousing themselves with ice water buckets. It's very, very, very, very interesting development we have there in Silicon Valley. You know, that's actually...I never...well, because we don't take the drought seriously because we've had these droughts before. Now, let me tell you something.

1:54:31 There's been real droughts here. This is yeah, this is a drought of sorts sure But we've had droughts to the point where Marin County had to have a pipeline dragged across the San Rafael Bridge, there was a pipeline across that bridge to get water to Marin County. That's how bad it was. We don't have a pipeline at this point. So it can't be that bad. So it can't be that bad. I've always...this is my indicator. How long ago was this, this pipeline? This was about 15 years ago, maybe 20. Did we have global warming then? Well, apparently... Well, it's hard to say I have no idea that we have global warming ever been whatever the case well yes, whatever the case I Find I think you hit something here. These guys are just waste waste mocking it mocking mocking it Wow And global warming by dousing themselves with this ice water ice

1:55:24 Your answer to me when I asked what I said, what is this bullcrap? These guys are dumping ice water I mean, maybe you should explain what's going on because your answer to me was priceless This is a an initiative that stuff You mean that the answer on email? With these guys and then you said this is the It's to raise awareness for Lou Gehrig's disease, ALS. And for some reason it started with Silicon Valley CEOs dousing themselves with ice water. And even more odd is either you donate or you douse. And then what happens is you douse, but of course he's really going to donate. I'm not sure how that works. Something went strangely wrong with the messaging there. But yeah, so we have Tim Cook,

1:56:19 Zuckerberg and a whole bunch of people doing this and then you said what is with this and I think my answer was a gay Illuminati cult thing was that my yeah was that my answer? Gay Illuminati cult rights. Yeah and your problem citizen? That's what it is. That's what the gay Illuminati does. They douse themselves with ice water, but this is just the guise. This is under the guise of Lou Gehrig's disease. But really it's a gay Illuminati rite of passage. Very nice. Whatever the case, they're dousing themselves with this bucket of ice water, then they give anyway, and then they call out somebody else. And I think Zuckerberg called out Larry Ellison and Bill Gates. Douse! Douse or donate! And now they have to.

1:57:04 Yeah, I think that's what that gets to me. They don't have to do anything. I think I should make him eat kale They have to just make me kale living in I don't know. It's a stupid. It's extremely stupid Oh, I like to write checks to people who I want to help and not and it's not Helping anything. It's just a you know, it's he caught on as kind of a meme I guess But you know, I just... It's a narcissistic thing. These guys are showing... Yeah. This is very, very, you know, it's like, look at me, look at me. I'm dousing myself with water. I'm on video. Take a look. Look at me. It is a tipping point, John, in the international health crisis known as the social media selfie movement. This is, this is, this is the tipping point. Look at me, look at me, look at me. Oh, we didn't catch it. Let's do it over so we can get the ice really just flowing down. I'm sure there's do-overs on this thing too.

1:57:56 Yeah. I had a lot of people agreeing with me at the reunion about this international health crisis, this selfie movement, take, retake, retake, take it again. My eyes closed. Oh, I wasn't laughing. Oh, the shadow wasn't right. Oh, let's say, okay, good. I've got it. Crop, rotate, filter, post. How come he didn't like it? He hasn't liked it yet. He probably hates me. Oh my gosh, this is not good. All right, it's a John Cabe watermelon head carry is all over a helping hand gore. And Kerry, of course, is writing his own script as usual regarding the global warmings taking place. And I thought it was necessary to share his means of communicating to the young kids or even the older kids what is happening and that something needs to be done about it. And of course, it's fact. All of us in this room understand climate change is not a crisis of the future.

1:59:02 Climate change is here now. Yeah. It's here. It's here. Shut up already. Science. It's happening. Happening all over the world. All over the world, John. John, John. John has turned into the Wookiee. What does that? What does that say? Priceless. John, it's happening. What? It's happening all over the world. It's happening. Climate change is here now. It's happening. happening all over the world. This guy's this guy is priceless. It's not a challenge that's somehow remote and that people can't grab onto. No, it's like a life raft. You can't you can grab on. You can grab onto the crisis that's happening now. And what's happening is the science. Oh, yes, it's science. I believe in science. Science is happening. John, listen very close. It's important you hear what he's saying. I'm listening. What did he just say? The science. No, that's not what he said.

2:00:06 You're not listening, you're playing harmonica. What did he say? What is happening is science. Yeah. No, it's not. It's climate change maybe, global warming. It's not science. No, it's science! Science! Science! And what's happening is the science. The science, I'm sorry. The science is happening. The science is happening. Is screaming at us. Is screaming at us, the science, John! Don't you hear the science? Ask any kid in school. They- Whoa, hold on. Ask any kid in school. Do you have any kids in school? Ask any kid in school? Yeah, we don't need scientists. Ask them what? Science screaming at you, kid. Yeah, yeah. Ask any kid in school. They understand what a greenhouse is, how it works. They understand how a greenhouse works? To grow plants! To create global warming from evil CO2! That's what kids in school know. What?

2:01:06 To grow pot, that's what a greenhouse is for. Why we call it the greenhouse effect? They get it! Pots! And here's why. If you accept the science... Yes! I'm... I accept... I accept... John, do you accept the science? I accept the science. If you accept that the science is causing climate to change. What? The science is causing climate change? I thought it was carbon dioxide. The science is causing climate de-change. It's not just the science, climate de-change. If you accept that the science is causing climate to change.

2:01:47 That's what he said! I thought it was carbon dioxide that was causing it. It's the science. The science? We gotta stop science. Stop! That evil science! Stop science! Shut up already! Stop the science! Science! You have to heed what those same scientists are telling us about how you prevent the inevitable consequences and impacts. Which is death, doom, and destruction of you children. You know, that's why President Obama has made climate change a top priority. For weed! To grow more weed! He's doing by executive authority what we're not able to get the Congress to do. The Congress? Damn Congress. Oh, heed! Heed the science! The science is causing the climate to change. I don't know about you, but that took a lot out of me when I heard all that. That guy's astute. I felt pretty bad just listening to it. Brother.

2:02:50 I got a nice letter. Oh, yeah, I did. This is really makes me want to came from a J. David the IMF wallet. I'm John David. From the IMF? Oh yeah. As in the Christine Lagarde's club there, the International Monetary Fund? Yeah, I'm John David, the personal lawyer to Christine Lagarde, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, IMF in the USA. Are you being sued? I know this will come to you as a surprise, but it is a blessing for life. And in this transaction will be beneficial to you, even on your retired days. And you will be grateful to me for this rest of your life.

2:03:25 for this rest of your life? During my investigation I discovered funds that have been seized through the past government. Due to my position now, I have discovered and confirmed that it can be released to you without any hitches. This is excellent. You are very lucky for me contacting you now because this is the best time to accomplish this transaction. This is an opportunity that comes which I cannot afford to lose. Because it is painful when you do not utilize a real opportunity. Is this guy from Nigeria? This Mr. Davis, he sounds like it might be a Nigerian princess. Has a kind of a Nigerian ring to it. But I'm going to follow up because maybe it's my way out. Yeah. Because it has definitely

2:04:13 Something that you know you should totally you should totally do that with your gmail account so they can hack it And then I can get an email that says that you had an accident and you have no more money And you need to desperately send you some cash Yeah, that would work. It was a pretty the first time. I saw that I was I thought it was quite convincing What did Legarde one? I know the I've had an accident and oh the accident one I just thought that uncle Don would have other ways to to take care of himself, but It's what it is apparently have you heard of this this new the new shut up rule That's been implemented here in in New York for the by the New York State Board of Elections for campaign finance no

2:05:06 So apparently they passed a rule in, let me just get this, I have this here, in March 31st 2014, Article 14 of the election law was amended to provide for expanded disclosure of independent expenditures. Now everyone is always looking for campaign finance reform, which everyone seems to think is a good idea, particularly in the blue states here of the East Coast. And the idea is to shore this up a bit so that we can know who's doing what to whom and how it works. And this is really a reporting requirement, Chapter 55, the laws of 2014, Subpart C, New York State Election Law, Article 14. And it's about the presentation of the independent expenditure reporting

2:06:04 And it has been adopted, ratified, and it goes into effect. And it requires the citizens to file a weekly or 24-hour independent expenditure contribution to any form of contribution to a political campaign. I read a couple of articles about it and decided to go and actually download the rules. Go figure, we'll do some real reporting. Even the article that I read was a little off on what it exactly is. But here it is. What now has to be done, and this is for the disclosure of independent expenditures. Independent, of course, means the expenditure communication

2:06:52 that has not been authorized, requested, suggested, fostered, or cooperated on by a candidate, his or her committee, or agents, or a ballot proposal committee. So in other words, if I wanted to... Let's take an example. If I wanted to print up some flyers and I wanted to spread them around, that would be an independent contribution because it costs actual money to do that. And how do I know that is a part of it? Well, as it relates to ballot proposals, independent means a political committee formed to promote the success or defeat of a ballot proposal that was not authorized. It can be an audio or video communication via broadcast cable or satellite, which technically

2:07:36 That could be through internet, I think, if you're saying cable, but maybe not necessarily. It also includes, and this is the one I was alluding to, written communication by advertisements, pamphlets, circulars, flyers, brochures, letterheads, or other published statements And regardless of one way, includes words such as, you might want to write these down, John, because these are words that if you use them, it will require you to report your expenditure of using the words, vote, oppose, support, elect, defeat, or reject. So if you use these words and you print them on flyers, and it costs you $1,000, that is now reportable.

2:08:23 And if you do that within 30 days, or up to 30 days of an election or a vote, you must report that within a week. If you do it within the 30-day period, you must report it within 24 hours. Or you can be fined and or jailed for not reporting this appropriately. Jailed? Are those words limited? Is it limited to those words? What if I said kick out? Instead of rejecting. Let's read the terms again to be very specific. By the way, the clearly identified candidate would be another requirement that you'd have to adhere to. So if you said kick out name of the candidate, if it appears a photograph, a drawing, a caricature of the candidate,

2:09:14 or the identity of the candidate is apparent by unambiguous reference, like clippity-clop or something. That would also count if it was clear to a large enough group. And let me look again at those words. Regardless of when made, words such as... such as... vote, oppose, support, elect, defeat, or reject, which call for the election or defeat of a clearly defined candidate, or on or after January 1st of the election year in which such candidate is seeking office or such proposal shall appear on the ballot, refers to and advocates for or against a clearly identified candidate or ballot proposal. So this is, I think the thousand dollars is concerning this reporting requirement.

2:10:12 And why would I have to report if I... So I can't make a handmade sign? If it was... if it costs a thousand dollars, you can make a handmade sign. I can make a single handmade sign. But you can see where to make a difference if you printed up a whole bunch of signs and want to put them in people's yard, I can see where that can reach up to a thousand bucks pretty quickly. I can see where that can happen. But if you bought $998 of signs... You're okay. Then you're okay. Okay, what if the next day I bought another $998? I think it's still within the time period. So I think it's cumulative.

2:10:52 uh... within the year as of the way i see the way i'm reading it so i can spend a thousand dollars in an entire year you can use have to report it so if i spend nine hundred ninety eight dollars and then i wait a month and spend three dollars which puts me over the limit do i file yes you three dollar thing no you know what you want to know you have to be a little bit of your reporting if it's within that year calendar year And it's before, 30 days before an election or ballot, you have a week to report it. If it's within the 30 days of the election or ballot proposal, you have 24 hours to report that. And that would be the $1,000 within that calendar year. Whose idea is this? Well, this is not an idea. Just to keep the Koch brothers out. Well, I don't know. Why would it be to keep... Do you think they care? Do you think they care about reporting? I don't see how they can care.

2:11:47 No, what happens if the signs come in from out of state? Callenders! What if the signs come in from out of state? Well, you're... Look, I'm just identifying something. I read the legislation. I don't know if I can get all... I think that counts. Alright, that's not important to us. It's just New York doing its thing. Making things worse. Making a bigger bureaucracy than they already have. But it's a truly shut up slave. This is words you can't use without being penalized. You have to pay for these words. You have to register the words. True. Right. You just have to register your words. I'm doing a sign that says the guy's a schmuck. Is that it? Do I have to write? Yes, you have to register. Maybe backwards down here. You might not have to. I think you could get away with schmuck as long as you don't say the guy. Not if you say the schmuck. If you identify a candidate, the guy's a schmuck. If you identify a candidate as a problem, you can just say the guy's a schmuck. That's not too much of a problem.

2:12:43 So we had this, you know, Bratton is the chief of police or runs the police department in that area. The guy used to be the original, you know, cleaned up New York under Giuliani. Yeah, so he took the squeegee guys and I think he killed them all. I never saw the squeegee guys after that. I don't know what happened to them. Whatever the case is, he's back and now he's moving ahead. So I have a couple clips. There was a nice event with him being interviewed by, I think, a liberal editor from The Atlantic or something, who was expecting to hear... He's not expecting to hear a minority report coming out of Bratton's mouth, but that's what he ended up with. But we know that's what he's really built here, what he really started. Yeah, and I have three clips that are very interesting because they're educational. And we can start with Bratton on predictive policing, and this is the future of your country. And I've heard you talk a lot

2:13:41 in the last couple of years about predictive policing. And I thought we might start there with what does that actually mean? Okay, political policing is the evolution we're now going through in policing. The period of time we're in right now is called the information intelligence era. That we have learned the importance of gathering as much information as possible and as quickly as possible making intelligence out of it. In policing that was the CompStat system that we put into place in 1994. There was the engine that really drove

2:14:16 The crime declines that allowed us to move from 2,245 murders, the all-time murder high in the city, to last year, the all-time low. Good news is so far this year, we have 18 fewer murders than we had same time last year. So the good news is that crime can continue to go down. The challenge to do that is to find ways to, in fact, do it. And predictive policing, I think, is going to be one of those tools. The ability to, with the huge amounts of information that we can gather, with algorithms that have now been developed and are being continually improved upon, we have the ability within a geographic area to predict with some certainty within a certain time frame that a crime will likely be committed there unless

2:15:02 us, we prevent it. And we prevent it by putting a police officer there. Cops on the dots. Same thing as we did in the 1990s. Hold on, before you say anything. First of all, cops on the dots, great for a title possibility. Two. I'm writing it down. I'm really hoping that the algorithm they have developed, which clearly is done with big data, is as effective as the Facebook advertising. Because those guys really know, they get me every single time. Google, they know so well what I want. At the moment I want to see this product, that's when they deliver me the ad and it's always right on the money. So I hope their predictive policing uses the same fantastic, completely accurate algorithms. Absolutely.

2:15:46 Well, he goes on and this guy over the period of this interview's jaw just keeps getting longer and longer. And so let's go to part two. It does sound a little bit like minority report. You're not identifying the criminals in advance, though. You're identifying the likelihood of a crime being committed. Can you give a concrete example? Yeah, actually, in some respects, you are identifying the criminal because the algorithm also takes in the- What? He's identifying the criminal? Let me back that up a minute. Yeah, no, the guy says, oh, this is not like that, is it? And he says, oh, yeah, no, it's like that. Identifying the criminal because the algorithm also takes into account who's living in that area, who's been arrested, who just got out of jail.

2:16:26 The patterns and trends of crime that are being reported matching up against who does that type of crime. So the minority report you referred to is the Tom Cruise movie, the late 1990s that looked so futuristic and now everyone in the audience with your iPhone or your Samsung phone can do exactly what Tom Cruise was doing that seemed so futuristic as recently as 10 years ago. And everybody who doesn't have a phone like Mr. Adam Curry, no smartphone, rejoiced. Or everyone looked at him and went, oh crap, I got a Samsung phone. Oh man. Does LG phone not have this capability for minority report feedback loop? Yeah, I think it was pretty bigoted of him just to mention the iPhone and the Samsung. Worse, I would accuse him of native advertising. That's a possibility. Product placement. iPhone is top of the list. But yes, this is, of course, he is right.

2:17:25 We have all the big data on you. Now, obviously, if it's anything like the advertising algorithms, after I have completed my purchase, i.e. after the crime has been committed, that's when I get arrested falsely. When we were talking, it shows back. Everything I buy, I get all the ads after I bought it. I know. It happens to me too. So smart. So it says how great it is. It's how great that algorithm works. So we're talking about how J.C. was in the building across from where Obama was gonna visit and everybody's phones lit up. Yeah, this was the Viper system. Yeah, it's the Viper system, which apparently lights up all the local phones and creates a false tower so you can't really do anything without going through the Viper system. Right. Yeah, they said apparently San Francisco's been using it to an extreme. It's illegal. I believe it is unconstitutional and illegal.

2:18:16 Yeah, yeah it is. So what? What are you going to do about it? Citizen? I'm a trusted citizen! Okay, my scam I can add it in and what if three dollars will get you Starbucks coffee So yeah play the last clip of this and this is the guy thought was a creepy just as creepy as anything else He said no, this is not far-fetched. This is the reality of policing. Yeah, we go forward into the 21st century it's going to become much more commonplace the idea of using technology using big data and using all of the new ways of collaborating with each other to effectively keep crime low and most importantly, prevent it from occurring in the first place. So what in the future? Prevent it from, because they know what I'm thinking. He knows what I'm thinking. That's really, that was the minority report. No, it wasn't just the tech. Okay, great. Prevent it from occurring in the first place.

2:19:18 So what in the future can we as citizens expect our public spaces to feel like? I mean they're now... And now he's calling citizens? He's really calling us citizens at this point? Yeah. 6 or 7 thousand cameras in the streets of New York. Do you imagine more tightly surveilled public spaces, the use of drones and so forth has been speculated on a lot lately. Certainly what we can expect, we had 7.5 million people in 1990. We now have We believe 8.5 million, probably more, and then with the 56 million tourists, and that number is growing, we are going to live in a very densely crowded city where public spaces will in fact be more crowded. From the police perspective, one of the things we will attempt to do is to try to continually improve our ability to police those public spaces.

2:20:12 My predecessor, Commissioner Kelly, post 9-11, implemented a program called Domain Awareness initially in the Wall Street area and then growing up to around 59th Street in Manhattan and now moving north. that eventually will be throughout the city. And that's the camera systems, currently 7,000 cameras, private sector, police cameras that are all interconnected so that we have the ability to very closely monitor, particularly in Manhattan, public space. We also have license plate scanning capabilities that in the future that will actually be impossible to come into the city of New York and not have your license plate scanned in some fashion at Easy Pass or some other type of

2:20:53 uh, location where that number is being recorded. Nice. All of this is, uh, constitutionally protected activity, if you will. Yes. It has been deemed by the Supreme Court to be, uh, lawful to in fact do it. Yeah, but let's not have any outrage over that. Let's have outrage over birth control. Well, John- No, no, stop, stop, stop. What? What? Three clips, collective, all boiled down to one thing. I wouldn't take it, but okay, thanks. I want to remind people that when you have a FastPass... I have one. Easy Pass here in New York. Easy Pass, Fast Pass, whatever you want to call it, advertising. I still pass. In San Francisco, yeah, you go across the bridge, beep, and you get your... it collects the toll. And then there are monitors all throughout the city... On the lampposts. On the lampposts and elsewhere that monitor that... RFIDs.

2:21:54 Yeah, yeah monitor custody so they know that you're downtown that is constitutionally legal the Supreme Court said so it's all good What's your problem citizen my I'm just advising people you get yourself a couple pieces of lead foil And you pull it, you keep the... Here we go. What? Yeah. You keep the FastPass in the glove box and you wrap it in lead foil and then when you come to the bridge, you take it out and you put it on your dashboard and you go through the bridge, beep, and then you take the thing off your dashboard. You don't want to leave it out anyway because people would steal it. So you take it out and you put it back in the lead foil, little envelope you created, and shove it back in your glove box. Why should anybody be tracking me like a dog

2:22:37 as I drive around the city. You may return to your business, citizen. That is the future, John. That is the future. And of course, it will lead to absolutely zero terrorists being arrested. No, it will lead to nothing. All it is is that it's just to make you feel uncomfortable that it's the secret police that are watching your every move. That's all it is, just to intimidate the public. But it doesn't result in any terrorists being captured. That's the point. It doesn't do anything any good. Could they take- That less murders. By the way, the less murders thing is a red herring because that has been the case in all cities, whether they implemented all this crap or not.

2:23:19 Would it be possible to take some of that data, where I'm driving, what kind of car I'm driving, because you have the license plate data, where I'm walking, and give me advertising about what I want when I want it? Yes, and they can tell you to buy things you've already bought. Only this time on the fly. I love... I love... The Walmart citizen! I love... I love... I love this booking, this trip. I told you like hotels.com or whatever I did. Yeah, yeah. I'm booked and all the ads I see is for hotels in New York. I'm here. I'm already here. I don't need... I rented a car. I don't need any deals. I just don't need any deals. It's really sad that there's still this belief. It's not even close to being any good. No, and people are starting to see it.

2:24:19 And they still believe, well maybe if I have an iWatch... It'll be better. And Google has even more information about me with my wearables. And by the way, I'm gonna... I slipped, sorry. What'd you do there? I slipped. I've got one more Bill Ayers clip. So he's arguing with Denise D'Souza about libertarianism and whatever, and he's not a libertarian by any means. And Denise was asked what was wrong with libertarianism. And Bill Ayers comes out with what he thinks is wrong with libertarianism, even though he admits that it's a wide spectrum.

2:24:58 variety of thoughts and whatever. And he comes up with, this is another thing, he comes up with, this is a very short clip, this is Bill Ayers on libertarianism, he comes up with this bull crap. I consider myself a libertarian. I know plenty of libertarians and none of them think the way he says libertarians are and what's wrong with libertarianism is in this clip. Just that is also part of your freedom. No, where the libertarians get it wrong is that they think that the market is holy and so they say the government bad but these corporations that have taken over the government, they're good. That's nonsense. So even the idea that somehow the government spying on us is a bad thing, but Google spying on us is a great thing because of the love of the market and private enterprise. It's foolish.

2:25:46 Yeah, but that's not just libertarians. That's... No, it's bullcrap. Nobody thinks that. Libertarians in particular don't think it's great that Google's spying on them. The people... and you were talking about people like Leo, who has a big... he thinks it's great that you can maybe get the advertising that's meant for you. Google told me when to leave on time for my flight because it knew through looking at my email, knew what flight I was on and it knew that there was traffic. That's an example, but Leo is an example of a left-winger similar to Bill Ayers. I don't know any libertarian who thinks it's cool that Google's spying on them all the time. This guy's basically full of crap and he wasn't called out by D'Souza on this nonsense.

2:26:29 And it bothers me. These published figures are supposed to be arguing things that are there, except for the Shapiro character. Yeah. Who is a, he's a hoot. He is funny. You want to play one another clip from before you do that? I just wanted to tell people one more time, just so they know all this, not lost. You are not hopeless. There is absolutely no reason for you to have to use any Google services. You really don't have to. So what if you have to... Feroo.com, try that. There's plenty of alternatives. Feroo.com, that's a new one. I don't know, Feroo.com. Yeah, we've talked about it. It uses distributed hash tables. F-A-R-O-O.com, I believe. Feroo.com.

2:27:11 I'm very impressed with what that...the future of the net in general is going to be distributed hash tables, but it's okay. You don't have to worry about that for now. There's no need to use Gmail. There's no need to have a smartphone. There's no need for it. You can print out a map at home. I don't have a smartphone. No, you're using the old E71, an old classic. It's off. The battery is out. Only if I needed to make a call... It doesn't even have a GPS. I don't know, it may... It has to do triangulation to find you. They don't even bother with triangulation anymore. But that's only for a phone call if I need to make one and I can't make voice any other way, which could be an emergency could happen. That's why I brought it. But I really had my ID31A. The D-Star is much more effective, the ham radio. But I have a Wi-Fi device, which is not connected unless I really need to connect. And you know what? You don't!

2:28:07 You just don't. The only thing that I should have had connection for yesterday is John sent me the newsletter to look at and because I was disconnected, enjoying family. I didn't receive it and I said, I think I replied to you, sorry I was disconnected. Which I was! I was disconnected, don't care, opted out, my life carried on perfectly! Yeah? Your life will carry on if you don't have a smartphone. I'm sorry, an iPhone or Samsung. Everything else may be okay if we listen to Bratton. Everything else may be okay. But you can opt out of this. It's really okay. You don't need all these services. They are not actually enriching their life. They are in fact making you ill. Most of what you are doing is making you ill. The thing that you believe you have to publish on Facebook and Twitter, and that's the only way you can communicate with people and publish things to the world, is in fact making you ill. It's insane.

2:29:07 Yes, use of these without proper realization is indeed insane. Now let's play another... Actually, I think we should take a little break first. Okay, I'm sorry. I just, I can't help myself. It makes, it makes me angry to see that people think there's no way out. And they're just yelling at Google, stop! Ignore them! Ignore them I say! Ignore them! I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. And by the way, yes, smarty pants. Yeah, I know. Even if you don't turn the smartphone off, it's still tracking you. That's why you don't need one. You don't need one. You don't need one.

2:29:58 Print out the map you might actually notice some things while you're driving around. We have these things we invented called, oh what are they? Signs. And in New York they're very good. North, south. Oh I think I'm going north because I looked at the map. I know Armonk is north. Oh I think I'll take 9N. This is not hard, people. We used to not have... Turn left at the fork. Keep right. Slight right at the fork. Slight right at the fork. Slight right at the fork. Left. Left at the signal. Left. Okay. We do have a few people to thank for our show, 644. I want to thank them. I'm concerned about how I'm sounding these days. I'm very concerned. You sound like an old coot. You're going to be 50.

2:30:49 Next thing you know 60 then 70 when 80 that's when I want to hear you James Butcher and I want you to hear me when I'm 80 I really hope you're still hearing me bro. I can barely hear you Talk up what bro James Butcher and how well he knew in Western Australia hundred eleven dollars and eleven cents and Jeff the Yerke who's over here and is a part of the Dvorak Yerke project to Yeah, yeah for years the Dvorak Yerke project to read digitized old Red Fox albums in fact I one of our one of our listeners sent me a little pile of my want to thank him I'm gonna I'll get to know that the where's that group not to get there. I'll do it for the next show Oh, yeah, I got another bundle of Red Fox nice albums nice and

2:31:44 And he just did a bunch of them, but he put them on Dropbox. I'm gonna have to send me a disk. Dropbox sucks. Oh, I have not even installed Dropbox on my MacBook. Oh, Dropbox is terrible. Terrible. Another thing that they're just gonna scan through. Oh, you got naked pictures, illegal content, citizen. Oh, unlawful network traffic, citizen. You watch. So we could put it for the end of our thing here, add Al Sharpton's Resist Rematch. I don't know, and the Brolf. Okay, that's what you would like to hear at the end and we'll get uncle Don loved the the Brawl story I told him Oh, did he now? Why doesn't uncle Don just listen to the show? You know and what he said he said I would love it if they both witzer to start over said this is CNN with breaking wind

2:32:31 I thought it was an 86 year old guy that was pretty funny. Sir Dwayne Melanson again the Duke of Mystery from Tigard, Ti-guard. Tigard, Ti-guard. 80 dollars and 3 cents. He wants his boom donation of 80-03. Get it? Looks like boom. Looks like boom, right? So does he want that again? Does he want it? I guess he's a boomshakalaka. Well, he says he donated to the other one. He might as well give him this. There he is again. Bingo, boomshakalaka. There you go. Bingo. And he seems to like that a lot. Frank Pugh in Tallahassee, Florida, $75. Randall Myers in Manassas, Virginia.

2:33:10 6660, and these are all, I mean, I asked for 6660s and 660s and 666. We got pretty much nothing. No one did. We got nothing. We got a lot of six, well, not even a lot of $6.60. We did get a few, but we got very few of much. And then I looked at the mailing, I think it got shunted to spam for some reason. I can't figure out why. Bereslov, Marinoff, and Eliso Viejo, a 6660, or Herb Lamb, also in Sugar Hill, Georgia, 6660. He's thought that the analysis of the Ferguson riots being a Democrat get out to vote operation was stellar. He had to donate. Gwen Adams in Sarasota, Florida, 6660. We got a birthday coming up.

2:33:57 He says she wants some birthday karma de-do. We'll put the birthday karma de-douching at the end and I'll throw the harmonica in then, but you also get on the birthday list. Anonymous in Dayton, Ohio, 6660. And finally, Joe Wagner of Atlanta, Georgia, 6660. That's all we got. People, check your spam boxes and see what happened to that last email. Anonymous. It came in fine for me in my own mail server. Well, yeah. Well, it came in fine for me too. Eric Wood, double nickels on the dime from Exeter, Rhode Island. Sir Thirsty of the North Sydney, double nickels on the dime. It's a yearly donation of 55.10 on his birthday, August 17th. We got you on the list. Kevin Hind, Auckland, New Zealand, 50 double nickels on the dime. Pedro Gonzales-Arilano in Cornelia, Barcelona, Spain.

2:34:48 Huh. He says, thank you for your courage. Thank you for your donation. Now these are all what we have left. Here's a few $50 donations and that's all we got. Rosalind Furness and Turnbridge Wells. Kent. I slept three hours last night just trying to prep. Eric. Kairagi. I think it's Eric Kieragi. Eric Kieragi. Eric Kieragi. In San Francisco, and this is a birthday coming up for Brian Mickey. James Wilkins in Hertfordshire.

2:35:26 and Josh McDonald in Mount Waverly, Victoria, Australia. And finally, John Camp in Antlers, Oklahoma, great name for a town. Chris Sloan, second only to Naubone. Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada, where the money is. And finally, DJ Dayday, who did send in a note, and I do have it here, I might as well read it, because it came in handwritten. The only check that came in the mail that was with a handwritten note. All the other ones were just bank checks. and they weren't any big ones. To the host of the greatest podcast in the universe, I've been listening for your deconstruction theories for a while now. I must say I enjoy them a lot and so does my wife. You two are onto something more times than not. Finally got a job in June so I don't have to decide to share the wealth with you two. I really enjoy the...

2:36:11 I've decided to share the wealth with you too and really enjoy the show and hope to listen for many years to come. So here's a little something blah blah blah. It will be too much to ask for a mac and cheese jingle. I love John's rendition of it. DJ Day Day in Scottsdale. I have no problem doing that. It's always fun to do. Mac and cheese and does that conclude our list of very short ones all we got it's all there is and there is no more

2:36:49 And so very little, very little beasts in the way of a newsletter. Well, it seems something went wrong with the newsletter. That's obvious. I think it went into the... Something went wrong with the newsletter. The numbers weren't normal. They were abnormally low. That's upsetting. And we did have a great PR initiative going on in Texas. This weekend is the What's it called? Podcast? It's like a podcast harmony. Yeah, the podcast thing is going on there. And they had asked me a long time ago if I had to say, do come do it. Well, you're not the podfather now, are you? If they want, if they have a making lemonade convention, they'll call you. No, they call me as the podfather. And I always, I've never done the, I have nothing to say. I have not. What am I going to say? The only reason people go to these is to see if they can make money.

2:37:46 I don't see any of the, well, that is actually not true. No, that's true. They go to network and make money. One of our producers who goes to all of these goes there to ensure that the no agenda show is promoted as the best podcast in the universe. Okay. Well, that's a plus. And is always there to propagate our formula. Okay. And people in the mouth and hit people in the mouth and make sure that no one calls himself the pod father. Oh, And this is our friend Sergeant Fred. Who was Sergeant Sergeant Fred Sergeant Fred, Vietnam veteran. Yeah, good guy. He always sends us double nickels on the dime. Big podcaster himself does business podcast. He does a lot of entrepreneur podcasts and and I have a clip. Did he go to the podcast? This is a clip from the podcast thing. Yes. During the keynote. I'm listening. Gary Leland famous as the podcast pickle.

2:38:48 Was doing the keynote and uh... Podcast pickle? Yeah, I think he had a website podcast pickle. Huh. Back in the day, which was I don't know. All right, hit it. It was like a directory. It happens pretty quick. Will you recognize Sergeant Fred in a heartbeat? I'm Gary Leland. In the morning! There you go. Sergeant Fred, he says, good morning everybody, I'm Gary Leland. In the morning! I think Sgt. Fred is fabulous! I have no idea what he's yelling, but I love that Sgt. Fred is there propagating it for him. Yeah, that's what, that's there, there you go. That's what our version of publicity is all about. It works. Hey, people at least laugh. And it's cheap. It's very, very inexpensive to the show.

2:39:49 And wondering money, but okay. Thank you all. This event for I was the podcast world or something. I forget what it was. Podcast melting pot. I forget. I really don't remember. It looked like a pretty good event, but then they wanted to do a Kickstarter and you're like, so I'm going to do the keynote and I have nothing to say. And you're going to say, Adam Curry speaking and doing a Kickstarter. I have nothing to say. And I have a family reunion, so that was really, that was the best. Oh no, you can't go to, yeah. Obviously. Thank you all very much for your support of the Best Podcast in the Universe. Light, luckily we had an instant night too. And I think he becomes a baronet, he needs to give us a...

2:40:28 You know some details if he wants Regions and setups for his barony etc. So we'll be happy to do that in the meantime Please support us for Thursday show it's going to be a lot of work And I think that we brought you some value today certainly coming to you from New York from the hotel Nothing can stop the show from going on We've always done our best to continue no matter what the personal circumstances are or the technical circumstances and we're hanging in there once again. Devorak.org slash NA. And the karma as requested for everybody. Dr. Fauci, thanks so much as always for joining us. Good to be here, bro. But resist, we much. We must and we will much.

2:41:11 about that job. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. There we go. And let's take a look at our birthday Gwen Adams says happy birthday to boyfriend Bill, celebrate today. Sir Thirsty of North Sydney celebrates today as well. Ari Kiragi, happy birthday to husband Brian Mickey, 47 on the 19th and that concludes our list. Happy birthday from all your friends here and the entire staff and management and shareholders of the best podcast in the universe.

2:41:55 And you're looking at him by the way if you want to know who that was staff management Except for Eric of course he's back office. We know we all know that Two nightings John and I brought this with me again trusted traveler trusted citizen no issue, but let me look at it again man look at this thing not Stabber they don't care about my sword, huh didn't say a thing and you I keep two swords, I have to admit it. I don't really travel with my sword, I keep the other one up north. And you're a cheater, aren't you? Eric Kail Hoots, step forward! Luke Raynor, step forward! Both of you gentlemen have reached the table of the round, the Knights and Dames, this is where you belong for your support of the best podcast in the universe, and I hereby pronounce thee Sir Eric of the

2:41:11 about that job. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. There we go. And let's take a look at our birthday Gwen Adams says happy birthday to boyfriend Bill, celebrate today. Sir Thirsty of North Sydney celebrates today as well. Ari Kiragi, happy birthday to husband Brian Mickey, 47 on the 19th and that concludes our list. Happy birthday from all your friends here and the entire staff and management and shareholders of the best podcast in the universe.

2:41:55 And you're looking at him by the way if you want to know who that was staff management Except for Eric of course he's back office. We know we all know that Two nightings John and I brought this with me again trusted traveler trusted citizen no issue, but let me look at it again man look at this thing not Stabber they don't care about my sword, huh didn't say a thing and you I keep two swords, I have to admit it. I don't really travel with my sword, I keep the other one up north. And you're a cheater, aren't you? Eric Kail Hoots, step forward! Luke Raynor, step forward! Both of you gentlemen have reached the table of the round, the Knights and Dames, this is where you belong for your support of the best podcast in the universe, and I hereby pronounce thee Sir Eric of the

2:42:49 the Amazon and Sir Luke of London, the night on a bike. Gentlemen, for you, mother's milk and red pills, ice cream and bear fillings, girlfriend experience and good bourbon, porn stars and pot, puppies and port, mushrooms and maker's mark, hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, bad signs and perky breasts, wenches and beer, bong hits and bourbon, or maybe just some mutton and mead. And for you, we have your rings. They await you. Go to noagenonation.com slash rings and we'll be very happy to send those off to you. And again, thank you for your support. Dvorak.org slash NA is where you can find all of the information on our peerage, who owns what. My cousin Burr is an archaeologist. Burr, Burr, Burr Harrison, Burr. B-U-R-R. Is that the...

2:43:33 A lot of famous gentlemen who've been named Burr in American history. Yeah. And Raymond Burr. Burr's rolling his eyes right now. Burr actually listens to the show a lot. And he's an archaeologist and he was very pleased to hear that in the future, future colleagues of his, not yet born, will find our peerage map and understand who actually ran the world. He'll know that, or she, will know that Grand Duke von Pelsmacher's ran France and Belgium. Grand Duke David Foley ran the United States. Started with Silicon Valley but really branched out and owned the whole kitten caboodle. Who owns what pieces? What baronies? Are protectorates belong where? Yeah.

2:44:25 And it will be true because it's on a Google map and everyone knows that's always fact. Yeah, it came right from the...archaeologists will dig it up and they'll say, what's this? And then they'll analyze it and analyze and translate and figure out what...books will be written about it. Being in New York, and I will say that I do have a browser that I like that is not blocked and just open because I need to always figure out what is going on because it's part of my job. You have a browser that's blocked in Texas? I have a browser, on my machine I have a browser that I use for unblocked surfing so that I can see what's going on. Yeah. And when you're in other towns, other cities and other networks, you get other messaging. It's interesting to see what's going on. And I got a message, a video ad from Comcast and Time Warner. And they are of course working on a merger

2:45:27 to become pretty much the largest Mac Daddy badass broadband cable thing provider in the land. We called Com Warner. Or Timecast. And what do you think there this particular... if you were... let's just presume that you had a campaign that no one really knew about but now we're starting to bring it to the forefront because you really want, after you scared the citizens and you've scared podcasters and you've scared other Silicon Valley pundits into believing that if you don't request something from the government, it'll be very scary. Then of course this is where they now are popping their head up in a policy town, New York obviously policy town for a lot of things. And they bring you the ad with families of all shapes, sizes and colors. It's just so lovely and familiar. And what do you think their message would be about John for this time cast, calm Warner?

2:46:25 It would be about how great it would be if those two companies merged. And when those two companies merge, what do you receive as a consumer? Oh, better service and a deal, $5 off. You receive faster speeds, better service, more security because they support net neutrality. Since when? Since this commercial, since and now popping their head up and here are the people who have been paying for all these lobbying groups. I'm looking at you fight the freedom fricking tech or whatever your name is. I'm look at all you shills.

2:47:07 taking all that Comcast time Warner money and it's scaring people that oh the packets will be unequal and we won't be able to get a slow website there would be fast lanes all the things John and I have been railing against saying this is bullcrap there's no such thing as packet equality in networks this is only about one thing is getting you to follow the rules rules and have legal content and legal network traffic. But here's all the benefits. And finally, here are the true people behind it all. Comcast, Time Warner coming together to bring you the net neutrality you need to want and vote for, citizen. How do you make life online better?

2:47:46 You extend the protection of net neutrality rules to millions more people. Make it faster for millions more homes and businesses. You extend the power of the Internet so every child can have the Internet at home. Life online gets better when people have a faster, more secure, and reliable Internet. That's what Comcast and Time Warner Cable are committed to do. Comcast and Time Warner Cable, together is better for more people. There you go. Together is better for more people. Can I ask you some questions? Yes, please. As though you were... let's say we're at a hearing. Okay, yes. Okay, I want to ask you, how is the two companies combined better?

2:48:29 More people will receive faster internet, safer internet, more children will be able to have education through internet. Why wait before you, why can't they get that now through the two separate companies? What happens when the two companies merge? Oh no, you need to make it. better. You need to have one infrastructure so that you will have no competition between any kind of networks and net neutrality will be in place and everyone will be treated fairly and nothing can go wrong. Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Curry. What? That's it? You just have to wonder if anyone, I don't know, sees through this? Sees the logic of the whole thing. Does anyone see through this at all?

2:49:19 I was kind of blown away when I got that ad here. Yeah, that's a gem that you recorded it. Very smart. Well, it was one of the... I had to stop, go back, reload the page, and then pray that I still got the ad, which I did, luckily. Well, let's just hear one more Ben Shapiro thing. I don't think we need to listen much more. I've got some other stuff we can do on the next show, but... Okay, yeah, good. This is Shapiro going off on... He hates him. Another Ben Shapiro clip. What? He goes off on socialists and narcissists. And he seems that if you watch him for the whole hour, which is about a three hour speech done in an hour, the way he rattles off. And he just hates Joe Biden.

2:50:04 He thinks Joe Biden is the biggest dummy in the world ever. And he's also thinks Joe's full of himself and he thinks highly of himself. And it just, Joe Biden for some reason really rubs this guy the wrong way. Joe Biden, and thank you for taking the time to listen. Yeah, I can see why. So let's, this is the rant. It's a pretty good rant. I thought we'd just play it and see what, it's a little bit of a right wing rant, but I enjoyed it a lot. As far as the first question, and thank you for de-linking the questions, I see now why you did that. As far as the first question, as to his narcissism, yes, of course President Obama is a dramatic narcissist. Most people who run for office are, which is why we de-linked the question.

2:50:47 The first requirement of running for office should be that you desperately do not want to run for office. That would be a good start. But as far as President Obama, his narcissism, yes, he's an egoist, but this goes along with the overweening sense of self that comes along with a nihilistic atheism resulting in his ideology. What? This is what the left is all about. It's all about narcissism. It's about your feelings. It doesn't matter if that black... Did you speed this up, John? Come on. You sped this up. I swear to God, this is the way the guy talks. That's not actual communication. That kid in the inner city gets shot in the face a couple of times. All that matters is that you feel good about what you say about the black kid who got shot in the inner city, even if you didn't save him or you're not going to save his neighbor. Leftism is all about narcissism. It's all about helping yourself because socialism is about narcissism. Socialism is based on the fundamental premise. I'm breathing. I'm here. Feed me. Okay. It turns out that my five month old baby is a socialist. She is. Right? She's hungry. I feed her. She poops. I clean her.

2:51:40 Right? She's cuter than the vast majority of socialists I know. And the nice thing is at a certain point I know she'll grow out of it, unlike the rest of these idiots. But socialism is all about selfishness, it's all about narcissism, it's all about an overweening sense of superiority based on nothing you've ever done. Because socialists by and large do not build business businesses. They don't make people's lives better. They don't increase the efficacy of government. They don't make people's prosperity happen. They don't do any of these things. They didn't build that in other words, but they take credit for that because it makes them feel better. So that's the answer to the first question. Of course, he's an egotist. Of course, Hillary Clinton is an egotist. Of course, Joe Biden is a massive egotist because he's not even smart and he's an egotist.

2:52:26 Yeah, I don't know. The second time you listen to him, after listening to him for the first time, it was easier. He is so, you know, he needs some coaching in terms of his public speaking. He cannot keep talking like this. Right. No, but also, who cares? They're all narcissists and he's only pulling out the Democrats. No, he said that too. You know what? I don't like this guy. What did I say when I first introduced you that I would not like this guy yeah of course Don't bring someone to my house who I'm not gonna like don't do that. It's not your house. It's our house Well, you're in my bedroom. I'm not in

2:53:07 Well, you're in your bedroom. I am in my bedroom. I am in the office. I can't believe you Silicon Valley office. I can't believe you brought this douchebag into my bedroom, John. Well, it's this cannot happen again. He owes you sex. Oh, OK. Let me see. Let's see if we can wrap this up. I don't know if we have some Panama Canal stuff is pretty interesting. Okay, I got one that says light. Okay, this is the pen. This is interesting to me. This is the pen. You know, the Peninsula Hotel is opening in Paris. You know, I did not get the invite. Did they? The rooms are $2,000 for your openers. And it's like, I want to be this is interesting to me because it's like,

2:53:56 The decadence of the places of these hotels all of a sudden in Paris, I mean, Paris has already had great expensive hotels, the George Sank, the Crayon, there's a bunch of these places. But now they got these high-end places. Like George Sank was not high-end? No, I'm saying, well, no, it is high-end, but now they've got places that are trying to leapfrog the George Sank. Oh, wow. Sorry. Yeah, there you go. Here we go.

2:54:33 They pulled out all the stops, investing an estimated 900 million euros in the purchase and the refurbishment of this building. And on a room-for-room basis, it is believed that the Peninsula Paris is the costliest hotel ever created. With several other competitors recently opened and with more on the way, will this investment pay off? I'm sure it will. I'm sure it's a bunch of douchebags will go in there and they'll fill it up. It's perfect. This is what has happened with the stock market, the financial system. This is a very small amount of people, but they've become incredibly wealthy and they fill it up. New York is the same. New York, you can't get a two bedroom apartment for under $5,000 a month. Yeah. A two bedroom hotel suite, $5,000 a night. It's just crazy.

2:55:25 Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Why do you think I live in Austin? Hello? And that's also...I have to say, I'm a little worried. You see the...we're adding 4,000 hotel rooms and God knows what's gonna happen. No, Austin is...Austin, fastest growing city in the country is going to be a crap hole in no time. Yeah, I'm afraid of...I am afraid of that. You're right. Yeah, I know. Where are you gonna go next? There's no place else, Des Moines. No. But anyway, there's all these places. It's going to be smaller, it's going to be smaller. It's the little house movement, the little house on the prairie. How many are living in a trailer, an RV? You won't get good internet connections. No, that'll also be a thing of the past. Unless of course you assist with the legislation known as net neutrality and help Time Warner and Comcast join forces to give children in all across this great land better education. Think of the children.

2:56:23 That's what you should have played after the time warner thing. I know I know I know all right I got no more you hate Ben Shapiro. I don't yeah, I do much You don't think much of the Peninsula Hotel opening in Paris. I like that, but no The Bellagio cost over a billion so Although I guess 900 euros is 1.2 billion, yeah, way higher. I did have something here to play us out. I thought I had something good here. What is this? This is now Josh Earnest. No, that's not any good. That guy has to go. He's so boring. Who? The Carney's replacement, the spokeshole for the president. Oh, I don't like this guy. Oh, he's horrible. Yeah, he's too... he puts you to sleep. He's so nambulistic.

2:57:06 Very good term. I had never heard of this. Nambulistic? SOMNambulistic. Okay. S-O-M. Nambulistic. I think the only other thing that may be of interest just to watch, just because we know that some dude named Ben is going to get totally burned for this thing, this IRS hard drive, this does not stop, this continues, this quest, and now the judge has come out and said the following. Hello, judge? Why are you not playing? I don't know, it's not playing. I don't know what to say. I'm trying to figure it out. U.S. District Court Judge Emmett Sullivan Thursday ordered the Internal Revenue Service to come up with new answers after IRS employees contradicted sworn testimony about damage to Lois Lerner's hard drive. Sullivan ruled that the IRS is hereby ordered to file a sworn declaration by an official with the authority to speak under oath for the agency by no later than August 22, 2014 on four issues.

2:58:07 Yeah, and this is that's a Associated Press report that really blown out voice with the no explanation of the four issues. I'd like to give them to you real quick just so we can see anything better than that report. And again, it's like gets paid money to do that. Oh, yeah. So some poor sap some dude named Ben is going to get totally reamed for this. In light of the declarations filed by the IRS, the IRS is hereby ordered to file a sworn declaration, which means someone's going to have to burn, right? It's a sworn decla- someone has to give a sworn declaration, which should be an official with the authority to speak under oath for the agency. Hello, if your name is Ben, run.

2:58:48 No later than August 22nd, 2014, in this declaration the IRS must 1. Provide information about its efforts, if any, to recover missing Lois Lerner emails from alternative sources, i.e. BlackBerry, iPhone, iPad. That's tough right there. 2. Provide additional information explaining the IRS's policy of tracking inventory through use of barcode property tags, including whether component parts such as hard drives receive a barcode tag when serviced. If individual components do not receive a barcode tag, provide information on how the IRS tracks component parts such as hard drives when being serviced.

2:59:32 Which of course, we know they are. That's the one thing that we know IT always does well, is brand... you know, ruining the casing of any computer with some thing that you cannot remove. You cannot jimmy off whatever tag is put on. Provide information, this is point three, about the IRS's policy to degauss hard drives. What's this, 1982? Okay, degauss hard drives, including whether the IRS records whose hard drive is degaussed, either by tracking the employee's name or the particular machine which the hard drive was associated, and four, provide information about the outside vendor who can verify the IRS's destruction policies concerning hard drives. So someone's going to burn for this. Because you cannot... Someone's either going to lie or just burn. I think that you burn either way.

3:00:27 Yeah. And I'm surprised that no one has brought back the Rosemary Woods stretch. It seems like we need one of those. The modern day version. Do you think anyone knows what that is anymore? I don't. The Rosemary Woods stretch? It rings a bell, but I don't remember what it is. The Watergate tapes. This was Nixon's personal secretary, and she inadvertently, by stretching completely backwards with her left arm out, reached her right foot on a foot switch, and I think by tapping her pencil on the desk, was able to erase a critical

3:01:10 It was a 181 minute gap in an audio tape. And she was in, I think in Senate or Congress and just demonstrating how this happened, how she simultaneously pressed controls several feet apart, known as the Rosemary Stretch. Yeah, I vaguely remember that. This is all explained more accurately in a movie that came out later, I think it was called Dick. I think we should we need a modern-day version of that someone's got to come up with something good You know what I mean, it should be possible all right, and that will be at our report from New York for There we go. Sorry about that August 17 2014 yes an apologies for everyone who heard me say Welcome to Sunday's show on Thursday. Yes. Did you catch it? I didn't catch it obviously well I can't tell what day it is half the time. Oh, this is true. I

3:02:11 Way. Thank you, John. Thank you for bearing with me. I really appreciate it. Thanks for- thanks for bringing the Shapiro, I have to say. Interesting to hear that side, but holy moly. Is that guy misguided or what? Just out of- he's out of- out of control! And remember people, it's very easy to opt out. Dump your phone. Take the battery out. Coming to you from FEMA Region 2 here in the Big Apple of Gitmo Nation, I would say in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's morning no more, I'm John Seek. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday right here on NOAA Gemline. Adios, mofos!

3:03:18 I didn't actually interact directly with people in the IT arena. There was somebody whose name was... I can't even remember his last name. I think his first name may have been Ben. Oh, a guy named Ben. A dude named Ben. Me? I know who I am! I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude. You a dude that don't know what duty is! Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe! Devorak.org slash N-A-V-O-R-A-K