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00:00 It's kinda gruesome, yeah. Running at 100.3 degrees Fahrenheit here in FEMA Region 6 in the Travis Heights Head-Up, Boston, Texas. In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm cuddling up with a copy of 1956 February Radio Electronics Highlighting Portable Scintillation Counter. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! 35 cents. Yeah, there you go.

00:39 Oh man, I am sick as a dog. Now what? Well no, it's what I had on Thursday. Yeah. Yeah, so I've been in bed all... since the end of the show Thursday, I've been in bed. You've been in bed? Literally in bed? In bed. In bed. What, you can't stand up? No, I'm... Are you dizzy? Yes. So I have a combination. I have a bronchial congestion. Okay. I have, um... Well, of course the mold is still super high. Love the mold. So that makes me dizzy. If, you know, so I gotta take these quercetin things every, uh... every, I guess, like, two an hour. Which does help. I had a...

01:29 an ionizer on in the studio all morning, which really works by the way. This removes all the mold stuff and I slept well last night. Have you had a HEPA filter before? Well that's what this is. It's a HEPA filter and an ionizer all in one. Oh nice. Yeah, yeah. We have three of them actually. That should suck out most stuff. That should make the air beautiful. Yeah, except in the studio it's literally the corner of the house with all windows underneath the oak tree. It couldn't be any worse for collecting stuff. Well, that device will take care of it. It probably recirculates the entire room full of air every hour. Yes, except I can't have it on during the show because then it sounds like, you know, this is... and you get this hiss on the microphone. So then you'll be doing the show, we'll get into it, we'll finish the show, probably at an earlier time, I hope,

02:27 And then you'll be near dead, and you'll crawl on your hands and knees over to the ionizer, hold your hand out very slowly, just flick the switch on to save your own life. Yes, just barely. If I could only reach my utility belt, Batman. And so here I am, I'm thinking like, what do I have? This is crazy. And of course I'm also trying to work. I had to figure out why the new setup was crashing, which I think I figured out, fingers crossed. Are you talking about the one hour thing? Yeah. Every hour it dies. We'll know in an hour from now. Yep. So I tried to figure that out. Of course, there was still prep to do. And I'm like, what is going on? Because I had this really, really deep cough.

03:13 And then and then noticing that but yeah, well, I haven't done it yet. You want to hear it? Here's what no no, no That's a pretty call a productive cough. No, here's what it is a first case of the potentially fatal MERS virus Which is killed more than a hundred people in Saudi Arabia has been detected in the United States The male health worker had flown from Riyadh via London to Chicago before traveling on to Indiana It's raised new concerns about the spread of the respiratory disease which emerged in the Middle East It's similar to the SARS virus that killed some 800 people over a decade ago. There you go

03:50 That's obvious what it is. I've got MERS, Middle Eastern Respiratory Disease. It's possible. You know, and so while... You're always going to these events with all these international personalities. There's probably some guy there from Saudi Arabia. I shouldn't have tongue-kissed the guy from Saudi Arabia with the... There you have it, right there. Or the Berkabe. We shouldn't have done that. Oh, how stupid. The Berkabe is always dangerous. And then I'm thinking about, because of course there's no vaccine available for this MERS disease, and I had a thought, because there was another report that came across the wire now in Gitmo Nation Lowlands. It's very similar to everywhere now. If your kid hasn't had its vaccinations, then the kid's not allowed to school. Very similar. There's a lot of hospitals certainly, but lots of places now.

04:39 Where if you have not had your vaccinations, you're not allowed to participate. And I have a question for you. Me? Yeah, since I'm dying of MERS. Well, you're not dying, you just have it. I don't know how many people... I think it has a death rate that's a little more than SARS, which is one out of three. 33%, there you go. 33, the magic number. Okay, so we're going to... So every kid these days, certainly in America, By the time they're three has had 24 different vaccinations. It's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot more than it used to be. Yeah, it used to be a couple. Yeah, then it was, you know, polio and I think we got

05:24 What do we get back in the day polio no polio wasn't even a shot. It was a sugar cube Yeah, it was a little oral there you got dip there you got the dip here and a Combination it was dip there you had tetanus and tetanus tetanus right the rusty nail thing yeah tetanus dip there and maybe measles I think I might have gotten a measles shot, but I'm not sure my day. There was no measles okay So I just definitely did not get mom sir, but in my day we had smallpox and Right. Okay, so they stopped giving that out which I just you know, I don't know. So here's the question We're going to assume that these vaccinations these 24 vaccinations work, right?

06:05 That would be the theory. We're just going to assume that they all work. Even though they could all be crap because drug companies don't care because they can't be sued. Let's just say they work. Alright, they work. Why, if a kid doesn't have its vaccinations and it goes to school anyway, what's the danger? If all the other kids are vaccinated and the kid has mumps or rubella or measles... That would be the logic of a homeschooler. Who cares? Yeah, no, that's one of the theories about not taking the flu shot. But that's my question. So flu shots are the great example. Why can't the kid go to school if he or she hasn't had a flu shot if the flu shot works or does it?

06:52 Now you're delirious. No, but seriously... That's when I came up with this stuff. I'm thinking, hey, wait a minute. It could all not work. It's all a giant scam. Yes, I was thinking big scam. They're shooting water into these kids. Who would know? H2O. But seriously, whenever someone says that, that's the answer. Like, well, You know, if your vaccine works, who cares if I show up and I'm sick? You're not gonna get it. I'll get sick and I'll have to go home. Bad on me. Yeah, well that's kind of what happened with JC's wife who had measles. Right. Because she got a measles shot and she ended up with the measles. Right. And she's in the dark room for about two or three days. Oh boy. And I didn't get it. But that's just your hobby space at the house. Yeah. It's one of the archives. Yeah.

07:49 Right, and you didn't get it. No, I didn't get it and I didn't worry about it because I had the measles. I didn't get a shot though. You can't say because I had a shot. It's because I had the measles and apparently that's pretty good way to not get it. You know it's funny, Buzzkill Jr. had chicken pox when he was a little kid. And it was weird because he had the chicken pox and it was confirmed, but he only had like three pox. Yeah, no, you told us this. Yeah, it still baffles us. One on his leg. Just staying on this for just a minute, so there was a German study that concluded that stress

08:32 Well, and it's not such a stretch really when you think about it. The German scientists have found that stress is contagious and can rub off on both strangers and your partner and it can even be transmitted through television shows. Stress? Yes. So observing another person in a stressful situation can be enough to make our own bodies release the stress hormone cortisol. And this is the Max Planck Institute for Cognitive and Brain Scientists in Leipzig. and the Technical University in Dresden. So there's a couple things about this. First of all, that doesn't surprise me that television can stress you out. But of course now they've actually measured that you release the stress hormone. Well this is one of the reasons our show is so good for people. Yes, yes, exactly. So I was thinking that, but also do you know what we're doing to kids with this climate change bullcrap?

09:33 Does anyone... You're stressing them out. Yeah, there was another, um, see where... You're gonna die, kid! No, seriously... You're gonna die and you're gonna get floods! Let me see, where is it? I haven't seen... I'm on the water, I haven't seen anything going on. Youth anxiety... this is, uh, who did this? What story was this? It's from the Globe and Mail, but okay, let's see. Youth anxiety on the rise due to climate change reporting. Nice! I knew it was good for something. But no one really talks about that and when you think about these young kids who are coming home six years old and they're, you know, they've been taught at school that the earth is dying. Didn't we get an email from one of our knights the other day? Yeah. And the kids are all freaked out and mad. It's like what is going on with all this? Yeah. This is... The earth's dying, kid. Yeah. This is your evil parents.

10:33 These things are not very good. No, we actually, yeah, no, especially in public schools. You know, there's good public schools, but most of them, they scare the kids, they give them bad information. It's a horrible experience. Surprised any of these kids get out alive. At all, ever. No, seriously. When I was a kid, it was different. You have the window open again? No, I don't have anything open. Are you hearing noise? Yeah, a little bit. And you know, it's the new system. Now I can hear everything. We used to have that second-rate, you know, grade B audio stuff, and now all of a sudden I'm hearing things. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, it could be delusional too. Yes. Well, this is fact. Fact! I have 100.3. I'm tripping. You have a hundred... right now you're at 100.3. Yes. That's terrible. Yeah, it's... this is not... I'm not very good at being ill either.

11:36 And we have... Oh, you're one of those. Well, I just want the windows closed, leave me alone, go away. And the sad thing is Mickey's niece is here. She's with us for two weeks, she's 16 year old. Oh! Which is actually, that's kind of great because I'm following the Dvorak school of child rearing. Hey kid, get me some coffee. What are you good for? Yeah, he's fantastic. Give me some coffee. Yeah, hey, give me some coffee. I'm gonna show you how this thing works. And now I'm just sad because I can't, you know, participate in everything. I've just been laying in bed like a... She's probably got stuff she could tell you too that would be interesting. Oh no, I've learned a lot.

12:17 Just observing the kid on the iPad, oh my God. I learned something the other day, apparently there's a resurgence of grimy, sleazy, kind of perverted burlesque amongst the hipsters. Oh, yeah, in Austin, burlesque is quite a revival here. Now I'm irked even more because I get this information at the dinner table and then I I talked to Mimi later in the day, I said, you know about this burlesque thing going on in Oakland? She says, oh yeah, we're hanging out. She explained it as she's connected to the comedy community because she used to produce. And she says that it's just kind of some of the worst, lamest, crappy burlesque with the homeliest women. And there's some word term for these women called.

13:12 It's called sex without guilt or some crazy term for people showing their really misshapen bodies off in public. Oh. And it's a... But this is like a major trend. Now you're telling me that this... Somehow this... I can't believe that this just shot right over my head. Yeah, no, this is... We know a number of people here who are in the burlesque scene and so one of our friends... We talked about on the show, one of our friends, she almost died. She caught some respiratory disease, funny enough. And then she was in the hospital for three months and... That's probably what you got. God, I hope not. Now she went into... they actually induced coma. Anyway, she came out of it and she was a burlesque dancer. And I had never actually seen her perform, but then they did a benefit because of course she had no health insurance. So we went to go see this... Oh right, we talked about this. Yeah, and then we went to the benefit and it's like, okay... Yeah, great. And it's... if anything, it's... I don't know.

14:16 It's not particularly great in my book. That's what Mimi said. Yeah. But the hipsters are all over it. Oh, the hipsters are all over everything. These hipsters. Anyway... They're controlling the culture right now. No, they're not. Oh, yeah. No, they're not. Yeah, yeah. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. So there's so many fun things going on right now. Wait, let's stop a second and reevaluate our six-week cycle, which seems to be... We still have a couple days left for something to happen. Well, we had a number of things that I think fit within the system. Well, do you think that kid trying to blow up the school and kill his parents did?

15:03 Well, no, no, no, I'm thinking about the guy who wanted, who had the fake explosives, up in Seattle, who had the explosives for the Space Needle for Walmart, he's gonna blow up gas stations. The feds and it was FBI's involved. Okay, that one is yeah, that's a possibility. So the feds were prompting him along and then he... See, it doesn't get... the media attention is what's missing. Well, it does... this is like the last time when we had the guy who... Idiot. ...up in Wichita. They don't really need that much media. It's good if they get it, but all they have to do is just check the boxes on the report and say, oh, well here's what we did. Oh, and by the way, the guy died. Oh, sorry about that. The guy died in custody.

15:50 Yeah, maybe that's what it was. Maybe that but I was expecting something a little more interesting. But when you yeah, but the problem is we have We got you know you people burning alive in Ukraine We have the ferry we've got all this stuff happening But you got too many bodies in other places which is beyond the FBI's control remember the six-week cycle of is it has to adhere to a number of things. First, it has to be a Patsy being set up by the FBI specifically for weeks or months in advance. Now this all works. Typically the guy would have a middle name. Now that didn't hit it on this one. It was Larry Gillette. There was no middle name. So I didn't like that. But then, you know, the guy, they have to thwart the plot by giving him a phony cell phone.

16:42 If you press this it'll blow up. And also this wasn't really... there was no radicalization angle to it, that he had been in touch with somebody in Syria or any of that. So it was weak. It was a pure lone wolf. Yeah, it was weak at best. So maybe this wasn't it, maybe this was just something that had run in. If nothing happens in the next five, or by Thursday, I will put that down on the list as the event and we'll have to wait another six weeks. It qualifies pretty much on the main points. Right, it has the check boxes checked. Which is really all they need. And the FBI's involved and it didn't work out and all the rest. Yeah, another foiled plot. Okay, we can live with that. What was I gonna say?

17:35 I don't know. Well, while you're doing that we can talk about the Correspondence Dinner. You were actually off on some tangent that you wanted to finish, that you began with your sickness. I don't know. I don't know. But let me, before we go into Correspondence Dinner, We need to look at the presidential proclamations for some reason may now we already had all the OC It's national seniors month. We now pretty much both qualify. I almost qualify you are over qualified I'm over qualified for a lot of things. That's why I can't get work That's why I'd welcome to the podcast on Friday. It was World Press Freedom Day That's a United Nations. I know funny, isn't it? That's a United Nations celebration, but listen to this. I

18:25 We have this week, it is National Charter Schools Week by presidential proclamation. As the president says, at the heart of who we are as Americans, a simple but profound idea, no matter who you are, what you look like, or where you're from, or who you love, you can get a world-class education. In a charter school run by Bill Gates. That's right. It is, let's see, is this today or is this... May 1st was National Law Day. Who needs a day for law? I don't know, we get enough laws. Let's see... This Law Day pays special tribute to the right to vote, the cornerstone of democracy. Okay. Then we have... Well, the month is being shared now along with Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month.

19:27 Do you think that what happens is that, you know, someone sees all these things going on and then some lobbying group calls up and says, hey, wait a minute. We need some attention. Or do you think it's they have bills running around in Congress and or someone has some agenda and they just call up and say, hey, add this to the list. No, I think your former commentary was exactly what happens. Or they get a hold of their senator usually, or even a congressman, and then they say hey, and they bitch to them, and then when they have that open speech part of the day where guys just come out, they get five minutes to say whatever they want. And then they thank the postmaster, or they talk about the roads in their town being fixed and it's a great town to live in.

20:15 And then they say, and they put into the record that there's, to do something for the Pan-American, you know, residual award winners of the Pan-American Games of the 1930s or whatever. And then they get, it becomes a day or something. I don't know, I mean, something like that. I'm sure that's what it is. They don't just have a suggestion box. May 1st was Loyalty Day 2014. You're wondering what that is, of course. Yeah, what is it? Over 150 years ago, as a civil war threatened to dissolve our Union, President Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address, defining the American experiment as conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Yeah? He resolved that our nation shall not perish from the earth. Yeah? He understood that what makes America most worth preserving are our founding ideals.

21:10 These ideals compelled colonists to rise up against an empire, and they have sustained generations of service members through the darkest days of war. Ah, it's an army thing. In the United States of America, we do not define loyalty as adherence to any single leader, party, or political platform. Oh no! When we make big decisions as a country, we necessarily stir up passions and controversy. These debates are a hallmark of democracy. They allow us to trade ideas, question antiquated notions, and ensure our nation's Republicans shut up.

21:47 Shut up. Yet even as... Do-nothing Congress! Yet even as... By the way, I keep reminding people that you want a do-nothing Congress. Yeah, that's exactly what it's supposed to do. Otherwise you just write all kinds of nutty laws. One more here, we have Friday, May 2nd was National Day of Prayer. Okay, why? As we give thanks for our liberties, we must never forget those around the world, including Americans, who are being held or persecuted because of their convictions. Let us remember all prisoners of conscience today, especially those in Guantanamo Bay. I'm sorry, it doesn't say that. I just made that up. It should. Yeah, it should. Let us continue to take every action within our power to secure their release from Guantanamo Bay. And let us carry forward our nation's tradition of religious liberty, which protects Americans' rights to pray and to practice our faiths as we see fit.

22:44 And then finally, it is, and I think we've already had one of these months. I don't under... I think they're giving it two months a year. It's National Mental Health Awareness Month. That sounds familiar. I think we already had that. A proclamation. Despite great strides in our understanding of mental illness and vast improvements in the dialogue surrounding it, too many still suffer in silence. Tens of millions of Americans face mental health conditions like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or post-traumatic stress disorder from killing brown people in sand. During National Mental Health Awareness Month, we reaffirm our commitment to building our understanding of mental illness, increasing access to treatment, and ensuring those who are struggling to know they are not alone. We've got the answer in this little pill for you.

23:39 Oh, this is a Obamacare thing. Over the course of a year, one in five adults will experience a mental illness, yet less than half will receive treatment. Because this is unacceptable, my administration is fighting back to make mental health care more accessible than ever through the Affordable Care Act. We are extending mental health and substance use disorder benefits and parity protections to over 60 million Americans. Let's read that again. Mental health and substance use disorder benefits. Oh, free drugs. Man, oh man, oh man, oh man. We are. I mean, you could do the same thing with some pot for them, legalize marijuana. That's just a social experiment, John. That's not really medicine. No, that's right, that's right. It's been defined as a social experiment. And funny, the only mentions Colorado fails snubs the state of Washington. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was interesting too. So last night, and I got up around,

24:43 I think around six o'clock in the afternoon, in the evening. And someone was tweeting, oh man, you got to check it out. And I'd completely forgotten about the White House Correspondents Dinner. And the dinner is one thing where this is where the president does his 15, 20 minutes of jokes and they always have a comedian read a list of jokes. By the way, maybe I'm wrong because we've been watching this thing on and off for the last five, six years. I always thought that the president came on after. It's funny you say that. I thought that too. But then when I went back, no, it turns out the president is always first and then it's the host. And then you've checked this out with previous... Yes, yeah, I went back and looked. Huh. Mm-hmm. I don't know why I thought that. I also had that impression. I don't know why I thought it except it seems more like why would the pre... You're the host.

25:40 That means you're the MC. You're not, you're just the guy who reads the approved list of jokes. Yeah, and this was the worst one for a long time because Joel McHale is really more of a comedic actor, he's not a stand-up comic. And these were all Henny Youngman one-liners. But I recall that's what it was last time, too. It really has just become... Well, it wasn't so much when Colbert was on there, who they don't like... they mentioned in the documentary as a guy who bombed because he got it all wrong. Colbert, who was the... Well, I thought both the president and Joel McHale were bombing at times, but they both had really good moments. But before we get to that, what I love, and

26:25 And that's why I was happy that I was up at six, because that's when the C-SPAN live coverage of the red carpet started. Did you see? Who did you see? Oh, well... By the way, these people have nothing to do with the White House corresponding anything. Well, of course you see a lot of politicians and you see a lot of the... Actually, I thought there were not that many Hollywood celebrities. I thought it was interesting to see many. I saw a couple of women walking around like Claire Underwood. Yeah, they have the... Yeah, I saw a lot of Claire Underwood. It's so funny. It's so funny. Let's see, I have... I got a article here, because of course it's not just about the dinner, but it's about the parties. This was a big Silicon Valley year.

27:15 Marissa Meyer was there. Right, she was with, oh I just lost his name, but he was there and he's got absolutely nothing to do with... No, I didn't see who she was with, I saw that... She was with a bunch of Yahoo-ies. Yeah. Because Yahoo apparently got on the board and they have a big table in front. Yeah. So there's a bunch of Yahoo's there. Yeah, they got guys from Vice Media. I saw Steve Case roaming around. Yeah, I saw him too, the former AOL chairman. Yeah, what's he got to do with it? And Valerie Jarrett, and she was at the table with her boyfriend Rashad, what's his name? Ahmad Rashad, the former sports guy? Yeah. But not sitting next to her. Yeah, well, boy. Nothing to see here.

28:06 Patrick Duffy all of a sudden from Dallas shows up. Yeah, David McCallum from NCIS was there talking to some woman. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't really star-studded, but I really like watching because the people who are there are They don't realize that the cameras are on. And you see women hoisting up their bustiers, but it's so House of Cards-like where you see the bespectacled women who threw on some too expensive dress that is ill fitting, networking, running around, going from table to table, bumping in, looking around, who am I supposed to talk to now? And then watching Charlie Rose eat a salad is stomach churning.

28:55 And the man, he like shovels the leaves into his mouth and he's bending forward. I was already not feeling well, and then I have to watch that. How does he hold the fork? Yeah, well, he holds it correctly, not like you. We all know you hold the fork incorrectly. Now, I will say, Michelle Obama's Marchesa gown? Stunning. Stunning. I felt the same way! I really did. I really liked it. I bet you did. It was good. It was good. So, yeah. Anyways. Anywho. Oh, I get to play my jingle when I say those things. So in general these White House correspondence dinners are supposed to be self-deprecating and I thought the president did a poor job of making fun of himself.

29:57 Yeah, there was some of it there, but nah, he really... He really went after everybody else. Let me play a few clips that are not from the event, but about the event at the C-SPAN, which does a great job. I don't know if you also saw the walk-in where they came in. Yes, that's the red carpet, of course. Douchebags. There's two. They showed just for hours, they showed just people mingling. Yeah. Which is very valuable. I think That is the best reality television on television today. I'm totally with you on that. Then they have these idiots coming through on the red carpet posing. So you see Eric Holderman with his wife and he's smiling for the camera and he's doing the twist and he moves sideways.

30:46 And doesn't his wife look scary? I mean not like ugly or anything, but she looks mean-spirited. Exactly. She does. She does. She'll eat your head off. And that idiot Sharpton comes in and he's... He's running around like, who can I blackmail today? He's pestering people. Everyone's like, oh crap, there's Sharpton Hyde. And then there was some blonde that they kept shooting lots of pictures of, she's kind of a wide bottom woman, very kind of attractive, but who was she? I mean there's a bunch of these, you know, Wait a minute, wait a minute, there was one woman on the dais.

31:27 Who had her breasts were as big as my head. Oh, that's the one from urban radio No, no, no, that was that was the black one There was a there was a white one in like a silver in like a glitter ball dress She writes, you know, you know, but I say this every single year we make the mistake you and I Should get the live stream going. Okay next year, if we're still alive, next year, we need to live stream commentary. Yeah, like a science fiction theater three-thousand. Yes! We'll talk over, look at that! Why is she dressed like that? Exactly, and I'll do commentary about the outfits. Yeah, you can do that.

32:08 We could probably, this is a, oh, now I'm mad. We should have done that, man. Oh, we're so stupid. We always get caught off guard, and we're, you know, it's a lot of work. No, it's not. We just turn the stream on and watch television and talk. It's not a lot of work at all. It's easy. Next time, next time. We'll do it next time. Let's play a couple of clips here. All right. Let's see. Let's start with the one I, this is one of my favorite ones. I thought this was kind of, this was, The term here is telling and this is the clip that's the drinking club clip. This is very interesting. CD drinking club. Okay, I just got to get into your naming here. Here we go. And as you know, this dinner has grown exponentially in size. About 2,600 people now. Obviously our main celebrity is the President of the United States. Very kind and gracious, has come every year since 1981.

33:02 And you're talking about just how large it's gotten. How has the dinner changed and evolved over the years? Well, a number of ways. One, there's no smoking at the dinner. I was just talking to the three or four of the most senior waiters at the Hilton who've been waiting on the head table for about 40 or 45 years. And I asked them the same thing. So one of the key things is there's no smoking, the drinking has changed. Reporters used to drink many bottles of scotch, whiskey at every table. Now it's a lot less drinking, more wine, and as waiters tell me, a lot of fruit flavored drinks. What?

33:42 So this was wrong with the journalism today. Fruit, fruit flavor drink, they're not drinking anymore. They're not drinking anymore. This is bad. This is very bad. So I thought that was the most telling little speech. They had these staffers, they were interviewing staffers. And here's another one that I thought was interesting. This is the 2008 anomaly, which actually tells me something. Hilton food and beverage manager Gordon Marr and got his perspective. How many years have you worked at the Hilton? I'm on 34 years right now. 34 years, and how many of these White House Correspondents' Dinners have you seen? I'm pretty sure I'm on 34 this year. Does any stand out, looking back? I think probably the first year that President Obama was in office, that seemed to become the Hollywood one. Everybody seemed to be here.

34:37 And it was, well we've had celebrities for many, many years. That first one was just overwhelming with the number of celebrities that decided they had to go through the kitchen because they didn't want to get stopped by the crowds. Because there's literally thousands of people here and everybody wants to meet everybody. So we just had people walking through the kitchen all night long. Kind of difficult to keep a team getting a meal out for that many people when they see different celebrities walking through. Now that was interesting to me because what that tells me was that when Obama got elected, as you recall, you had all these people talking about how the world's going to change because Obama hope and change and all the rest of it. None of it happened.

35:23 And so they were all in, so the place was apparently chock full of all these Hollywood types in 2008. And then year after year after year, more droning, you know, all these things the liberals hate, and now they just kind of bailed. And I just think it's interesting how they must feel so disappointed. Except for the Duck Dynasty guy who was there, one of them. Yeah, the Duck Dynasty guy. Now the one that I also thought, now this one I do want to explain a little bit after you play it. And this is the New York Times. The New York Times does not go to this event. Oh really? Yeah, and they have a good excuse. And you can play the New York Times exposition on this. The issue some people have with the mixture of politicians and celebrities at this dinner. We spoke with New York Times Magazine correspondent Mark Leibovitch last year and asked him about the very same question, what he thought of that whole issue. And he raised the issue of media as celebrity. Here's some of what he had to say.

36:19 Well, I think as we found out this weekend, it's all pretty closely aligned. I mean, I think one of the things about Washington that's somewhat unique is that really since all the president's men, I mean, journalists in DC have become more of a celebrity class than in other cities, which is an odd thing. But there's a level of self-congratulation and self-celebration and so forth. that can be very, you know, somewhat at odds with the mood of the rest of the country and how people view the media and so forth. So it's all very, it's very, very unique to this culture in some ways. But I do think that many people would think it odd that we now have about two dozen parties to celebrate the efforts of the Washington media over a single weekend at a time when, you know, frankly, a lot of people are not happy with the performance of Washington or the media.

37:17 Now, the New York Times does not attend the correspondence dinner anymore. Why is that? Well, I think the reasoning is, and Dean Becke, who was then the Washington bureau chief, and I think this was around 2007, decided that it just felt too cozy. It felt too, not too festive, but it did not feel like the right message to be sending to our readers to, and really be in such a chummy and sort of festive setting with the people we're covering. And I think people, that's obviously a view that some hold, but not everyone. And we don't pass judgment on those who do go. And obviously when I did used to go and I worked at another newspaper, I got a lot of work done. And so there's a lot of fun to be had. But I think, I mean, that has been the paper's philosophy for a number of years now. And I don't see it changing, at least certainly not this year.

38:06 Well, I'll hand it to the New York Times for that because that is one of the things that annoys me a lot. Yeah, no, it annoys me too, but let's be more realistic. The New York Times is just cheap. It is very expensive proposition. I wrote for them one year. I did a hit piece for the New York Times and I got art by the way. I'll give it to you. You got a picture of you? No, art. In other words, they do the illustrations around the piece which is really difficult. I'm sorry was at Comdex and I had to do it was a kind of a slam at Comdex that the Times got to run because they did not want to send anybody to Comdex and they didn't send anybody because they just thought it was too expensive the New York Times guys You know get up they get a per diem. That's high They had they always want to they had to fly them out put them up in hotels This is a very expensive process and they pay for all of it And I think that they just bailed on this party because it's ridiculous and then there's the politics which I think is even more important and

39:03 Well, yeah politics of do I get to go Oh internal politics in the company you mean? Yeah, they have thousands of reporters and a lot of them cover this stuff. Why don't I get to go? Yeah, why does he get to go? Why does she get to go? Why is she going? She's not hasn't even been here as half as long as I have well It's like when any company that I've had people I was like, oh, we got to go to South by I'm like no, that's ridiculous enough No, there's no business there. You just want to go drink and get laid. Oh No one goes. I'd never been to South By until I moved here. I've never been to South By. Except virtually. Yeah, it's a lot of fun to drink and get laid if someone else is paying the bill. I don't notice that that many people are getting laid. Oh yeah, now phew. Oh yeah? Oh, there's a lot of getting laid going on. Oh yeah. Well that's a plus. Anyway, so... There's something we missed out on. Yet again. Yet again, John. That's the way it works.

39:59 Anyway, the New York, but because you see CBS, they bring in, there's people there that shouldn't be at this event and you know that there's people irked back at the office because they do a lot of work and they don't get to go. Well, the whole Today Show was there, including Carson Daly. Yeah, and then Savannah was there, yacking away, smiling. And then Fat Elbowker was there. Yeah, it just shows the collusion. And what is El Roker's a weatherman? Why is he there? Because he left his dirty underwear in the White House. You know what I'm saying? Well, right, he's very crapped in the White House. I did think there were a couple of things that were very funny. One, they had a little video which that smoking hot babe from A&E

40:46 She's the CEO. She's very smart, very very smart lady. She's the one that started the whole controversy with the Duck Dynasty guys. She's one smart cookie. So she did the whole video that they always put together and it included Joe Biden. driving around in a yellow Corvette with Selena Meyer, played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, in her Veep role. And I thought that was really good for Biden. I thought that was very funny. Because he's such a boob. Doofus. Yeah, he's a doofus, that's right.

41:23 And it was great until they all started acting with Michelle Obama in the kitchen. Then it fell apart. The whole idea of sunglasses and we're driving in the Corvette, that was cool. And then the whole thing just kind of fell apart. But Biden was getting pooped on, even by the president when he shows, during his little standup, and he shows, he's talking about Hillary Clinton, and he shows a picture of Joe Biden holding an Adidas Jim shoe like he had thrown the shoe at Hillary in Vegas. Yeah, they were giving Biden a little ribbing. So what else? And Biden I don't think was at the event. He can't be. I don't think they're allowed to be there. I don't think that's true. He was at the, I think he was at the event last year. I don't think so. I don't think so. There's no reason for the two of them. They do a lot of stuff together. Yeah, well let's just put it this way. How come we have a six week cycle

42:24 We've got the entire... everything would be solved in one go. You know what I'm saying, John? Everything could be solved in one fell swoop. Every douchebag in the world. And it's in the Hilton Hotel. It's so easy. The Hilton Hotel? How come Al-Qaeda doesn't see this opportunity? Because there is... well, you know why. Because it's all bullcrap. I have one more clip from an insider talking about the celebrities over history, which is kind of interesting. This is the why celebrities more, there's more, there's been more celebrities in the last 20 years, even though there's always been celebrities, apparently. We've had Hollywood celebrities. We actually have had Hollywood celebrities before. We've had waves. In the 40s we would have multiple entertainers, including Frank Sinatra.

43:12 Jimmy Durante and Bing Crosby and Animal X. We still have an entertainer and we've had Hollywood guests. Barbara Streisand came to our first dinner in 1962. We've had more of them in the last 20 years. We've added scholarship winners. The association only started sponsoring a scholarship about 20 years ago. Now it's a big part of our evening. We use all the proceeds from the dinner, raise money for the scholarships, and we award them at the dinner. And the scholarship winners get to meet the president. And this first lady particularly enjoys coming up to hand them out. And it's a high point of our evening. And so why do news organizations invite celebrities to the dinner and what do they have to do with the dinner? Well, you'd have to define celebrity for me. Now I think if you're inviting the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in my world that's a celebrity. And I'm lucky enough to sit at the head table with the President of the United States and to me that's the biggest celebrity in the room and always is.

44:06 So there are other celebrities who come. And I assume that you're talking about Hollywood or actors and actresses. You know, some news organizations who are members, particularly the TV networks, invite the people who work for their TV networks. Yes, continue to arrive. We just saw it. Yeah. All right. And now there's one thing that they did mention was that the president apparently is not didn't always come to this thing No, it was literally a meeting of for the brothers club but starting in 1981 is when they apparently every every year since 1981 which is Reagan and Reagan of course being a Borderline stand-up comic yeah would come to the thing and then he did every year for like I guess seven years and

44:49 since he got elected in 81, essentially. So he started coming and then now everyone has to come, and so now they all come. So he actually set the table for that. Now I do have some jokes. And I just want to say, before you get to the jokes, Google had a lot of parties going on on Friday and Saturday evening. Google did, they did a, they did something with another company, I think. Let me just check real quick. It's kind of like a little South by now for you know for the for the the high-end Silicon Valley types right Google net Google Netflix actually here we go the Google Netflix bash at the Institute of Peace yeah

45:39 There we go. Enjoyed a strong media turnout, including Fox News' Greta Van Susteren, Chris Matthews, Peter Alexander from NBC, Shane Smith of Vice Media, Joanna Coles, she's editor of Cosmo, of course Ronan Farrow. Servers and bartenders sported red suspenders that stood out in the all-white decor. Wow! Three dangling white signs spelled out STORY, 2, and SCREEN in capital letters. An invisible hand sketched massive drawings across one wall that were white-cleaned and replaced throughout the evening. Nancy Pelosi took a picture with the cast from House of Cards, including Michael Kelly, Sebastian Arcelis, Sakina Jafri, and Michael Gill, whoever these are.

46:27 Oh, Gil, who played the president on Cards, said that he takes inspiration from President Barack Obama. I've never seen a president work so hard, he told Politico. Who else was there? Well, how about cast members from Scandal, including Katie Lowes, Guillermo Diaz, Bellamy Young. Don't forget Uzo Aduba of Orange is the New Black. And there's Robin Wright with Molly Parker from HOC. Watch HOC. Oh, House of Cards. So I'm so not into the Hollywood lingo anymore. It's HOC. I'm sorry Hello, all right, let's get to the jokes. All right now I only got it only have three here that are good. All right First of all, let's do the Obama material Obama did this thing about Putin he went off on and then but in then he had a picture this and I thought it was gay innuendo do you think and I think it was it was deplorable and

47:22 considering that the new conservative darling is none other than Vladimir Putin. Last year, Pat Buchanan said, Putin's headed straight for the Nobel Peace Prize. He said this. Now, I know it sounds crazy, but to be fair, they give those to just about anybody these days. That was funny. So it could happen. But it's not just Pat. Rudy Giuliani said, Putin is what you call a leader. Mike Huckabee and Sean Hannity keep talking about his bare chest. Which is kind of weird. There's your liberal crowd laughing at gays. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Ha ha ha! Faggots! Look it up, they talk about it a lot. Yeah, yeah, they must be smoking that tube!

48:20 During that laugh interlude. It was funny though, I thought it was funny. It was funny, but they put a picture up, a poster, that was Vladimir Putin with his bear chest and then they had these three guys, Huckabee and Hannity, dreamy eyes and the whole thing was very gay. Yeah it was. It was good. It was gay. It was very gay. Yeah, very gay. That was funny. Then, uh, the only thing that, uh, everyone would, you know, think... Everybody loves a good gay joke, John. You just can't do it unless you're the president. Yeah. I'm wondering whether the guys on Gay News will pick up on this and say anything. Uh, so...

49:00 When Mikhail came out, I took what I thought were his two best lines. I don't think everyone would agree with me. But here's what I thought was the second best joke is the way I see it. Now over 8 million people have signed up for Obamacare, which sounds impressive until you realize Ashley Tisdale has 12 million Twitter followers. Yeah, that was pretty funny. Now the top joke for me, which I thought was the most insulting joke he could have done, and it was very subtly insulting, well not subtly to anyone listening, but this was the, this was the, to me, was the top joke of the day. There's a lot of celebrities here tonight. They're the ones that don't look like ghouls.

49:47 Short and sweet. Yeah, well I like that he started off by saying, you know, hey that Guantanamo Bay thing, that was funny. Yeah, no, the Guantanamo Bay thing was a good line. But I think McHale bombed a lot. He had a lot of sweaty moments there and the president had some visual joke that failed, which was bad. Yeah. But I mean, here's the only thing, the only joke that mattered to me was this one. And speaking of conservative heroes, the Koch brothers bought a table here tonight But as usual they use the shadowy right wing organization as a watch. Now this is not the joke that I care about. Hello Fox News. Listen to this. I'm just kidding. Let's face it Fox, you'll miss me when I'm gone. It will be harder to convince the American people that Hillary was born in Kenya. So that's basically saying Hillary is going to be the next president.

50:49 Yeah, I was gonna clip that too. And I think that's exactly what it said. I mean, that's you know, that's basically, hey Biden screw you by the way. No, he put down Biden a couple of times, said Hillary would be, I can't imagine that Biden is too happy with this. No! He was insulted and then he, then Hillary was already given his crowned, she's crowned president. Yeah, yeah. Which is by the way, which is not gonna work. That's why I'm sticking with my Elizabeth Warren move. Pocahontas. Pocahontas. Pocahontas. Yeah, and he did the Kenyan thing a couple times, he did that joke twice. And I want to mention, because I follow all these, this is bull crap. Of all the networks and people that say he was born in Kenya, Fox News is not one of them. They're not a big promoter of that concept. It's mostly right-wing talk radio guys.

51:45 Uh, yeah. So that's just bullcrap. I don't even know where he's coming from. It's just gratuitous old jokes. Yeah, well anyway, so the thing overall was that... B. I give it a B. B-. Oh, B- yeah. But it's always good to see the people who are in collusion with each other hanging out and actually doing it out in the open. Oh, and hugging. Yeah, oh yeah. And the one-side phony kiss, which is not even a kiss now, they just bump cheeks. Yeah. Notice this? Yeah. It's like you go up there and bump the cheek. Did you watch any of the awards where they hand out the scholarships? Yeah, I watched all. The first girl that came up, did you see the president? Yeah. Mickey caught this actually. He's like, we rewound it. He was like, ehh.

52:38 And everyone's hugging Michelle. I have to say she does that very well. She feels like a first lady, like a mama. You know, you want to hug her. Everyone's like, ooh, let me hug you. She does that well. I like that. That's first ladies go. Yeah, I know she's okay. Yeah, you don't want to like a like Nancy Reagan bag of bones, you know Well, I'm gonna crush the woman. Yeah, you know or imagine having to hug Hillary Clinton Well, anyway good good wrap up there John, thank you For your courage and in the morning to you John C. Dvorak. And in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. And in the morning everyone in the chatroom, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net, and in the morning to our artists, thank you very much. Let's see, who did we have? Oh my goodness, I don't have it on the... oops.

53:36 This is what you get when you're deathly ill. Let me see who did the artwork on the 613. That was done by... Nick the Rat, of course, I should have known. Oh yes, it was the carry with his little schwinkter mouth. And his tongue sticking out. Yeah, this was a controversial one. Controversial choice. There was no real good art by our definition of what we're looking for, which is kind of thematic. Yeah, always thematic. Something that said, or something outrageous that was done on the show or some, you know, good deconstruction turned into art, spot art. Yeah, yeah. And there was nothing really. It was like everything was kind of borderline funny, but not funny enough.

54:19 And you kind of picked that one. I had other ideas, but I had to agree because in fact there was... The big... because I think it was kind of... it's a gruesome picture. I don't like putting art up that is unattractive. It wasn't gruesome. It's kind of gruesome, yeah. That tongue is creepy. His mouth is a little slit and he's got this huge long skinny tongue. It's called creative freedom. It's called gruesome. Call it what you want. I liked it. I'm happy we had it. Of course, we're always looking forward to seeing what we can put in our album art. Noagendaartgenerator.com. We do it right after the show, so it's a real challenge for artists, but we highly appreciate the work that all of them do. Now, having been in bed, fever, sweating, coughing, I'm almost sorry I showed up today.

55:14 Looking at it, or Louis. Oh yeah, we have a very low turnout of contributions. And I don't understand why, I know last Thursday's show was hard because I was sick. I think we still, you know, I think we still delivered. I will tell you what I've noticed, because I'm trying to figure out why, you know, although this is the beginning of vacation time and some people just aren't gonna be following the show at all, they don't care. Ever since we did that four hour show, donations have been down. And I'm thinking, you know, the old show business thing is you give them, you know, make them want more so you don't give them the full, you know, the, that was great, I wish there was more. Yeah, but we did two hours and... We gave them too much. But we did two hours and 31 minutes on Thursday, which was bright on the nose. Seemed like a lot more than that to me. Well, it's because we had to restart a lot. Yeah. And by the way, we're coming up on our one hour, we'll see if this thing hangs in there or not.

56:13 Yeah, yeah, this is a very funny anomaly. But it's okay. I think I figured it out. No, you hate it because you gotta go do post and that's the last thing you wanna do. No, I think I figured it out. Oh, okay. Well, let's thank our three executive producers, associate executive producers. We have one executive producer, the only executive producer because he came in as the highest associate. And that's your down-the-street buddy, Sir Gene Natunia. Oh, that's our Baron de Marriott Sheriff of Texas. That's Sheriff of Texas, 269-69. And it's $200 for Adam feeling better. And the rest for you know. Not a lot of that going on here right now.

57:00 Yeah, then we go to two associate executive producers Arthur Gobbett. Go bet, go bet. Zaan Dam. He's Dutch so it would be Hobbits I think. Hobbits. Hobbits. Hobbits. Arthur Hobbits. Arthur Hobbits. Zaan Dam. Zaan Dam. Zaan Dam. $210 in Swedish cents. Dear senior citizens, as promised to Adam, I'm donating a portion of my tax return. This is a silly amount that equals to the kilobyte size on disk of the attached photo I sent of my very large hairy pussy cat. Huge kitty. Did you see that thing? Did you see the picture? Yeah.

57:45 You look really cute and innocent when asked if he ate the two kitties from April's 30th newsletter. Yes, John, this is what a cute kitty looks like even if he weighs 7 kilos. Holy crap. His name is Kenny, and I suggest that you use the rest of the tax money to install stripper poles in the spare bedroom to try to catch some of the escape girls from last Tuesday's Club 33 disaster. Although admiring his entrepreneurship, I confronted him and explained it was a crazy idea to install two poles as sharing is a virtue and it leaves spare change to make it rain. Greetings from the crazy institute called Gitmo Nation Lowlands. Please give me a health karma as my brain is the only thing not hurting in my body. All right, Arthur, thank you very much.

58:32 And I also want to thank everyone else who... Miss Mickey tweeted something saying, Adam's not feeling well, you know, fifth day sick, he's in bed. Sexy pictures help. I didn't know Twitter actually allows that. There was some interesting stuff that was sent through the interwebs. Oh, I have to go back and look at your feed. You've got karma. There you go, Arthur. Yeah, that was some interesting stuff. Anything good? Go look at my feed, brah. Bro, bro, hey bro, Don Lopez in Wyoming, Michigan $202 I'll be in Michigan on the 19th 20th and so on. Oh, are you doing a stand-up gig there? I'm doing a stand-up gig. I'll be at the yuck yucks.

59:17 I tried to do a meetup or something. At the Broken Funny Bone? Dear John and Adam, I've been saving YouTube revenues to become a producer for the past few months but it was taking too long so I said what the heck, they deserve it. After all, I've been listening while I sculpt characters since January. I haven't even donated. Please cleanse me of my doucheyness. Uh oh. Yeah, he needs a de-douching. Alright. Now or wait? Oh, okay, give it to him now. You've been de-douched. Oh, and if... and... I'm not allowed to do this in the right voice. And if each of you would describe the other as an animal, what would it be?

1:00:00 I'll make you both into rapids. Oh, he's doing sculpting. So he's at Jonathan Lopez. PS I know this is late so I will consider this a donation for the Thursday show. Well, you're not late. So if you were to describe me as an animal, what would you describe me as? Pussycat. Okay, walrus. A giant furry one. I would describe you as a walrus. You're a walrus. Oh, walrus, thanks. Well, they're cute. Big fat thing. You're not fat. Okay, so anyway, that's it. That's all we got is these three souls. It was very surprising.

1:00:40 I want to let everyone know that we have a brand new BitTorrent sync secret. That's what they call their little code in order to sync up the new No Agenda shows that we've been releasing. Somehow it broke. Of course this stuff is still in beta, so if you did not receive your... You're probably not hearing me if you didn't get it because you couldn't get the show. Unless you went to download it. I love how people, how am I gonna get the show? Well, I don't know old-fashioned way click on the link I know I get that too. Yeah, I can't get the show iTunes doesn't have it. I'll never be able to hear it Well, you know I have like a link on my website download you can download that file. There's a million ways of doing it. I know

1:01:25 Anyway, the new BitTorrent secret is a link in the show notes under the PR section, so go take a look at that. And thank you to the producers who came in today and did help us out, although we need a lot more support for what we're doing. I know it's tough with tax and all that, but step up, people. Come on, I'm here, I'm from my deathbed. He's working from his deathbed. I am, I'm working from my deathbed. Here's what you do. And of course, you could always help us by going out and propagating the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up!

1:02:20 Alright, we're now at one hour and two minutes and it hasn't broken yet. Well, let me remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA, ChannelDvorak.com slash NA or NoAgendaNation.com I think you can do slash donate or there's a button there you can push on it. And then there's the NoAgendaShow.com which has a button you can click on which will help. Hold on, I'm just going to take my quercetin. Hold on one second. You have to take your corset off? Yes, I'm gonna take my corset off. Hold on one second. No, it's quercetin. Quercetin? Yeah. What the heck is quercetin? Quercetin. Oh, quercetin is... Let's see. What is the... How do you spell it? Q-U-E. Yeah? Quebec Uniform Echo Romeo Charlie Echo Tango India November. Quercetin is an anti-inflammatory.

1:03:15 herb or something, I don't know. Is it a doctor prescription or is it just some crazy stuff you bought? Voodoo stuff. From the voodoo guy? Yeah, from the voodoo guy. You've been sick a lot ever since you started going to this guy. No, no, that's not true. I've had allergies worse I had allergies the first year in Austin and then I found the voodoo guy and he fixed it. But then we moved to this new place under the oak trees and I've gotten all these other allergies and I'm just learning how to control it. So the mold I have kind of under control but I have to, when it's really severe like this and it's been off the chart for months, I have to take two quercetin every hour, which is my own prescription.

1:03:58 And then and because it shrinks your brain so that you don't your brain. Yeah, that's it Yeah, my brain is swelling because of the mold and that's why I get dizzy and fall down Let me read this thing. This sounds horrible. Somehow, ladies and gentlemen, he manages to do the show. This is what you call a trooper. Yes, thank you. I deserve that. The flavanol. In other words, it's a paint pigment, or a plant pigment, sorry, with a molecular structure that is like a flavone found in fruits, vegetables, blah, blah, blah.

1:04:35 Okay, occurrence, biosynthesis, what's bad about it? Nothing. Antiviral, apparently it's antiviral. It's good for asthma. It's an effective bronchodilator. Helps reduce the release of histamine, that's nice. So you like it, don't you? It's anti-cancer, it's good for eczema. It's good stuff. It's anti-inflammatory. Fibromyalgia, this is something interesting. We'll have that all of it. This is good stuff. That's why you could take it. It's contraindicated with some antibiotics and may interact with floral quill, blah, blah, blah. Oh, that stuff, yeah, I don't take that. That stuff. The blah, blah, blah. It competitively binds to bacterial DNA gyrates, whether this inhibits or enhances the effect of whatever is done. What are you reading? Wikipedia. It's actually got good stuff on drugs. Sure. Yeah, sure, sure.

1:05:28 It's not like that drug site, though, I always forget the name of it, where the guys, you know, every known new drug, these guys take it. Oh, no, I like that. That's cool. Then they write these long, you know, episodic things about it. I tried injecting it. I love those. I tried injecting it and then I was... They snort it, they snort it, they do it, take it anally, they inject it, they do everything to determine the right high. Now those guys are... In different doses. You know, some people admire Neil Armstrong and astronauts. Those guys, I admire them. Yeah. The president had his little podcast going again. We haven't heard from him for a while off the podcast. Yeah, well, I only have 13 seconds because his podcast is lame. I mean, seriously, no album art. It's sloppily edited. He's lost his heart. He's a short timer. He's a lame duck. And it's annoying because he does this to me a couple times a year.

1:06:28 When he tells me what his number one priority is as president. Now I know what the number one priority is as president. It's to defend the Constitution. Are you sure? Well, that's what I've always understood. Hmm. Well, he'd get jobs. I don't know. Of course it should be to defend the Constitution. That's exactly the point, but that's never what he says. My number one priority as president is doing whatever I can to create more jobs and opportunity for hard-working families. I mean, really? That's your number one? The number one priority? I think defending the country would be... No wonder Al-Qaeda is trying to blow us up. He's doing a crappy job if that's his number one priority. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Mohammed. Yes, what's up, Abdul? He's trying to create jobs. Now's our time. Let's go. Allahu Akbar!

1:07:25 Well, there's nobody out there doing that. We have a big election coming up in the Eurozone, in the Euroland. I believe this is the month where millions, nay, hundreds of millions of Eurolanders are going to vote. Very interesting this time around where we have and you're going to start to see the propaganda flowing very very soon It is already working quite well, so we have a number of parties who are you could collectively call them the euro skeptics In yeah, they're cropping up everywhere. Well, so in France, it's Marine Le Pen right in Portugal it's the

1:08:14 the FPÖ I think, no that's Germany. You have one in Portugal, you have in the Netherlands, you have the Party of Freedom, that's Geert Wilders. And they are all, they're making a lot of noise about talking, you know, talking of working together to turn back a lot of the political machine that is the EU. Now the consistent message, the way I hear it from people like Nigel Farage and from Geert Wilders, and to a certain degree from what is translated from Le Pen, is, you know, we want, well, we definitely want a European economic partnership, but the fact that now 70 to 80 percent of most laws are created by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, that's the main thing they want to turn back. And if they could, they would all like to actually get rid of the euro too, because there's some problems. And they're doing something like four laws a minute. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

1:09:12 And what you're seeing in the media, in the UK it's really rampant, where they will... anyone who's a Euroskeptic is going to be called a right-wing, racist, nutjob conspiracy theorist. This is pretty much what they're doing with Nigel Farage. And we have producers who listen to this show who have bought into that. Oh yeah. And then I'd realize is an idiot. Yeah, I mean this one guy get read us the riot act about Farage saying this party nobody takes it seriously even though they're now being taken very seriously. Yeah, this is why buddy ever will ever take these bozos seriously. This is why the media who of course are complicit with the incumbents.

1:09:58 This is why they are starting to spout the racist, Nazis, right-wing, crazies, neo-Nazis, you'll get this. You're going to hear this about all of these different parties because the incumbent bureaucrats are very, very worried that people are actually going to start voting for these parties. And I think we are seeing a change. And Geert Wilders did an interview with I think it might have been RT. Oh yes, RT with Sophie Shevardnadze, who was a very irritating woman. Oh! And she makes those arrogant Russian woman faces when she's listening to someone. Oh yeah, so I cut her out of this.

1:10:45 Here's Geert Wilders, just two quick clips about this, but I thought it'd be interesting for people who are interested in, I don't know, what's going on in the world, but they don't seem to get it from their traditional news sources. So we have to root around and find it for you. Here's Geert Wilders really laying down the truth about the European Union and the organization, not so much about Europe as a whole and how Europeans want and should be working together on economic level, but the bureaucracy that has become the European Union. You know what happened in the last decades is that our national sovereignty in the European Union collapsed.

1:11:23 There came a European super state of all European elections that nobody in Holland or in Belgium or in the United Kingdom, nobody not only knows them but nobody voted for them. And they are in charge now of almost all the law making process in our own country. So we lost our identity, we lost our national sovereignty. to the European Union, an institution that really a lot of people in the West don't like so much anymore. I have nothing against Europe, but I have a lot against the European Union as an organization. And what we want, we want to regain control over our own borders, over our own money, over our own budget, all rights that we have given to the bureaucrats in Brussels and we want it back. I mean everybody knows that

1:12:13 Spanish people are different than Swedish people. My own Dutch people are not the same as Portuguese. And it's a good thing there is not a European people. It doesn't exist. I mean, several countries exist. So I believe we should cooperate in an economical way with the internal market and trade between one another. Everybody can benefit from that. But we should stop with the political project called the European Union because that's a big failure, to be honest. Sounds like a neo-nazi to me. Oh, racist! Super racist. He said the Portuguese are different than the Swedes. That's right, racist bastard! Yeah, and believe me, the media does... and of course guys like this and Farage, they attract nut jobs, no doubt about it. They do attract, you know, racist... Our show attracts nut jobs. Yes, thank you, thank you.

1:13:07 So of course it attracts nut jobs and they say, and with Twitter, and this is actually kind of fun to see how Twitter is such a great system for people to foul up. You get these nut jobs all over the place by the way, every single political party, and they just spout off and then they gotta go, you gotta get rid of them. But the leaders in this case, I think they're spot on. And actually here's Wilders giving you the rationale as to why this has to be turned back. We always play Farage and he's a lot more entertaining, I'll give you that. But this Wilders guy, he's a pretty straight shooter. It started in a good way and I wish it should have stayed like that because it started with economical cooperation. And I believe in economical cooperation. I believe in free trade. Everybody, every country can benefit from trading with one another. But then after the 50s and the 60s, the 70s, the 80s and later, it became a

1:14:08 political project. Instead of an economical cooperation and free trade, it changed into a kind of European super state where politicians try to make foreign policy. You see what happened in the Ukraine, what a mess they made up there. it. They try with one coin, one currency, with the Eurozone, they try to be stronger economically and it was a disaster. The western countries, the northern part of Europe paid for the southern part of Europe and our economy did not grow in the last year. The Netherlands had more economical growth before we entered the Eurozone than after we were part of

1:14:47 of the Eurozone. And Europe didn't bring peace either. Once again, the example at the Ukraine where they made a big mess of it. But also in the former wars in Yugoslavia. Look at Bosnia. Europe did nothing. It was the others like America that came to help. So Europe was not good for our sovereignty, was not good for our economy, is bad for foreign policy. So I believe we can be far better off outside the eurozone and outside the European Union and more and more, not a majority today, but more and more people in any European country share this view. So I really believe that the elections later in a month's time will be historic in our continent Europe. Right-wing racists nutjob!

1:15:36 Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah, no job. You can just wait for it and people will say well They'll send in the articles these guys will be vilified as crazy Nationalists which is you know, it's a little this is bad code for Nazi. Yeah No in the fact the only country benefiting from the eurozone and if you want to mention the word Nazi is is Deutschland Germany's doing very well for itself. Mm-hmm. In fact, they're there essentially In some ways outside of the EU, they've essentially suppressed the EU in their favor. And now play this clip. This is the China and Berlin clip. And this is a clip that I listened to the McLaughlin report and the show has gotten so poor that now they're doing

1:16:26 research packages where McLaughlin does a package that is so long, this is long, and this is only half of it by the way, that actually does a pretty good job of giving you a briefing on what's going on. And this has got, tell me how is this benefiting the Eurozone? It's not. Close ties with China give Germany a foothold in Asia and Beijing a line of influence through Berlin. In fact, the increase in trade between China and Germany, particularly in German exports to China, has exceeded all expectations. Germany is China's number one trade partner in the EU, and the top foreign investment destination for German companies is China. Based on this emerging economic symbiosis between China and Germany,

1:17:19 Quote, a special relationship, unquote, is now emerging. China needs technology and Germany needs markets. Structural similarities and shared economic interests are key for this emerging special relationship. Item, Germany's approach to China is mostly driven on the need of its exporters. Germany's foreign policy is based on the idea that economic exchange will lead to political and societal change in China. Item, China sees Germany as the most useful country for its economic development. Germany is an attractive partner because of Germany's prominent role in the EU, but also because of increased German dependence on China. Item. Nearly a quarter of EU imports from China go to Germany. Item.

1:18:19 During 2010, Germany's trade with China grew by 34% to $181 billion. China is now the second largest market for German exports outside the EU. Item. Chinese demand is especially high for German machinery and cars. China is the biggest market for the Mercedes S-Class. Chinese officials are driven around Beijing in them. The confluence of these factors makes Germany one of the most influential, if not the pivotal, foreign policy player on the world stage. Angela Uber-Alas. Well, you know that now everyone, after we reported on this months ago, AP and everyone's waking up and saying, hey, did you know that there's a train that goes from China to Germany?

1:19:20 This is, this thing is cranking up, John. And they got pictures and the containers are rolling out. It's 16 days from Xinguang, an eastern China, through Russia into Duisburg, into Germany, and they're bringing everything. It's half the amount of time of the sea route, which of course includes the Strait of Malacca, which we own. And you got Angela hanging out with Barack Obama. Do you really think that that charade was about, oh yeah, sanctions, bull crap. Angela went there and said, listen, you're gonna stop doing, you gotta stop this, brah. I think she said it, you must stop this, brah. Well, something is definitely up in this Chinese connection, which is still outside the EU as far as I'm concerned with the so-called special relationship.

1:20:21 It's just too, for one thing, the Germans are naive about the Chinese. Because at some point, with all those, the machining machines, they're talking about machines like, you know, lathes and these things that help make other machines. They're shipping a bunch of that to China. They're essentially going to clone the Mercedes. I would say, and I'll put this in the Red Book, within the next decade... Well, I agree with you on that. That's a good point. China will have a clone of any Mercedes U, the S-Class, a really high-end... Okay, it's hubris, John. It's hubris. And they may be right. The Germans have always believed

1:21:03 that you can do whatever you want, because honestly, everyone's tried to... Chrysler has tried to make, or Cadillac has tried to emulate the Mercedes. Everyone's even doing commercials like this is the American Mercedes. And I think they're right. I think if you look at some of the German engineering, there is no second. So they go, go ahead, you can make off the knockoff stuff. We sell the high end. That's always been their business model. They don't make a cheap BMW, John. They don't make a cheap Mercedes. Actually, they do make a cheap one. They're using cabs in Germany. Oh, I'm sorry. I have one parked outside my door because they're so cheap. Well, they don't bring the cheap ones over here. They don't send the cheap ones to China either. And I don't care what anybody says, the Chinese

1:21:51 can do it they can they can do we won't do it because we have you know accountants ago wait a minute this is this is not this is no we can make this car at this price and we're not gonna make a clone of a mercedes which i'm sure american technology can do but it would cost too much i'd say the tesla s is a good example of a of a mercedes like quality car but it's eighty thousand dollars in my building in a mercedes cheaper and bear may not have the same prestige as an s model but the chinese can do it and they can do it cheap because their cost structures and the way they do their accounting is totally alien to anybody in the normal world. Wait a minute, you're saying it's not slave labor, it's just the accounting? It's just a different gap standard? As far as I'm concerned.

1:22:34 What do you explain that what does that mean? How does that work? Well, I mean, how is their whole economy work at all? I don't know slaves. They got their profits. This is a huge problem for the investors We don't see the Chinese as honest and that was again revealed at that Edelman thing I went to where they talked about you know Honesty and who sees who is honest and the American public the American corporations American government we have figured out that the Chinese as a whole are not people you want to do business with. And we've heard these stories years ago where you'd go over there and then they'd steal your whole company essentially because they don't let you actually open a Mercedes manufacturing facility. You have to partner with them. And then the partnership dies and you end up leaving the facility there.

1:23:25 But the way I see it... The Germans are going to get screwed by the Chinese. It's a two-way street. Right now the Germans are the gateway, they're becoming the new gateway to Europe for China. So your iPhone, your next iPhone is going to come to the United States through Germany. It'll probably be released in Europe before it gets released here, which is not an uncommon thing for these companies. By the way, I just found this out that, let's see, where is it? The Chinese, they are expected to win control of the biggest, the largest port in Greece. You know, that whole sell-off? Oh? Yeah. So they've got the gateway to Europe and Greece, which saves them a whole bunch of hassle. Costco.

1:24:17 Chinese government-owned shipping and logistics giant Costco. That's not Costco where you shop, is it? No, it's COSCO. Yeah. As opposed to cost. Oh, okay. It's Costco. Yes. Costco. Yeah, so they are expected to complete the purchase of a controlling stake in the Piraeus port. Yeah. Yeah. So they're very, very smart. They're all over this. And, you know, they're tight with the Russians. This is the real game that is happening. And to me, ah man, can we do an accelerated election? Can we get Obama out now and get Hillary in? We need her. And I think she's actually already positioning herself.

1:25:04 now and trying to suck the oxygen out of the room, and she's doing a pretty good job here and there, she's got to start talking policy and start making some moves and making some noise because, look, Kerry is too dumb, Obama is weak, literally weak, and the P- I don't know, is there anyone still around him who wants to do anything or did they all just, they're all like, whatever, I think they're all tired, really. They want to drink those fruity drinks. Fruit flavored drinks. Because just look at it, man. And when you see how this train thing is going, this is a big deal. This is really, really big. No, the train thing is really big. And I'm not so sure that Germany is on our side in this Ukraine kerfuffle.

1:25:56 In fact, Agent Orange sent me... Why would they be? Exactly. Why would Germany be on our side on anything? We're still essentially a competing party, and we play dirty, and they're just going to cozy up to China because we've put the limit. Like I said, we don't trust China and we treat them that way. The Germans are all in. If you want to understand what kind of money is at play here, and you know, I can speak and read German, I try to get translated articles or you know, the built and they do have English articles, but if you look at BASF,

1:26:41 A huge, huge chemical company. Pharmaceuticals, everything. Siemens, Volkswagen, Adidas, Deutsche Bank. Deutsche Bank, hello? Germany is a major, major player. And then we think it's all cute when Obama and Angela are in the Rose Garden together, and this is the best that President Obama can come up with. Oh wow, why is that not playing? Hold on, so let me try that again. The various Russian mouthpieces that are out there. You've also seen suggestions or implications that somehow Americans are responsible for meddling inside Ukraine. I have to say that our only interest is for Ukraine to be able to make its own decisions. And the last thing we want is disorder and chaos.

1:27:48 in the center of Europe. So, you know, for the German audience who perhaps is tuning into Russian TV, I would just advise to stay focused on the facts and what's happened on the ground. Has this guy ever been to Germany? When he was there at the gate, did he watch any German television? I was watching Russian TV. Watching Disney Channel. What is he talking about? Exactly. This is completely stupid. This is the preoccupation with RT. There are about 50 people that watch RT. We're two of them and we only watch it once in a while. When there's hot chicks on and that's rarely. I mean it's like you know free speech TV, RT, the Home Shopping Network. The Home Shopping Network channel gets more viewers than RT.

1:28:45 They don't even have numbers, they don't even have the overnights. So the Germans are not in the Obama camp on this, or in the Kerry camp. So here's from Bildt this morning, thousands of CIA and FBI advisors are now in Kiev. Thousands, according to the German media. Bild, that's not a shit magazine. No, no, that's a very reliable source. Thousands are... and you know what it is when the advisors are in, you know what that means. Yeah, they're making trouble. Making trouble and, you know, and burning the... Did we not have in the Red Book, did I not put Odessa in the Red Book? I don't remember. I have a feeling I put Odessa in because of the drugs.

1:29:32 I don't remember anything about this. A long time ago? If you have a chance, look it up. But there was actually a very good piece on the BBC, one of our producers caught this and sent it to me. This is Sir Tony Brenton, he is a former ambassador to Russia from the UK. And he actually goes against the... I think it's on the Today program. He goes against the narrative of, oh yes, we're gonna be killing everybody and we're gonna be fighting. Because this of course is not what Russia wants. Russia has no benefit to Ukraine falling apart, which is exactly why... And I just have to say it's not even the EU. It's not the EU.

1:30:17 This is the United States. This is the neocon carry camp and noodleman and her husband and her brother and his brother. These a-holes, they're the ones that are going, that are, that are... The only one shooting is the Ukrainian army. That's the only people who are firing anything and lighting fires and killing people. And this is to divide this country and turn it into rubble which is not to any, certainly not to Russia's benefit. Listen to the ambassador. He actually lays out quite well and he goes against, you can even hear the hosts, it might be Paxman, I'm not sure who it is. He's even surprised like, oh really? Because everyone's been so brainwashed into this idea that Putin is this crazy mofo and all he wants to do is turn the clock back 30 years.

1:31:05 And just wants it to be the way it was when we were the USSR. What do you make of the picture as it's developing now, Mr. Turney? Well, it's very depressing, isn't it? I mean, yesterday was the day of the biggest violence since the whole crisis began. The society is obviously increasingly polarized with sliding very visibly towards civil war unless the Western Russia between them can sort it out. Well, they've tried and failed. Well, they have tried with the Geneva Agreement. It failed. It looks as if it did well. It's obviously not working very well. Russia doesn't want to invade Ukraine. That simply makes things much, much worse from their point of view in all sorts of ways. Right, but just to be clear about that, it doesn't want to invade Ukraine, not because it couldn't. It obviously has the military wherewithal to do so, but the economic price of that would be huge.

1:31:54 Well, I don't think it's so much the economic price. So this is a matter of... Oh, oh, wait a minute, but I've been brainwashed into thinking that. Oh! More importance in economics to the Russian government. it would land them in a shooting war probably with the Ukrainian army, which is unthinkable for them, and it would land them with ultimate responsibility for a bankrupt, ungovernable Eastern Ukraine, which they don't want either. So the Russian interest is very clearly in having a Ukraine which is neutral, as they've requested, where the concerns of the Russian population are protected, which they've also requested, but which they don't particularly want to run. Now that ought to be an achievable set of objectives.

1:32:32 Western policy, meanwhile, unfortunately, sanctions and all that, is looking just increasingly self-indulgent and irrelevant. No Western minister or official is claiming that sanctions are going to change Russian policy in the short term and the short term is now what it's all about and while talking to Mr Putin may look very unpalatable not talking to him is looking increasingly disastrous. But irrelevant is one word to you, self-indulgent in what sense? In the sense that in America what Mr Obama is having to do is look tough for a right-wing Congress

1:33:09 what is going on over here in europe is the same russia's done something we don't like it we need to be seen to do something about it there's nothing effective we can do so we introduced slightly more sanctions each time which if they do anything they further alienate the russians and make it more difficult to do the ultimate deal we're going to have to do. But what else could they do? I mean you may be right, you're absolutely right self-indulgent irrelevant all the rest but what could they do apart from sanctions? we've done some sanctions, they've made no difference. You keep on talking tough but you find channels to Russia which will begin a constructive dialogue and you restrain the Kiev authorities from pursuing their campaign in the East. If you can, that's very true. I mean, I don't think the Russians have as much control as everyone is claiming over the dissidents there. I don't think the Ukrainians and we have as much control over the Western Ukrainians.

1:34:02 as everybody is claiming. But if you can, you restrain them from pursuing their course in East Ukraine, which is leading to greater violence. And it's fair to say, which is making much more difficult the moment when we could begin to see a resolution of all this, which is the presidential election on the 25th of May. As the situation continues to deteriorate, the likelihood of being able to hold a presidential election which holds any credibility at all steadily goes down. So here is now we're down to the real nitty-gritty. This is all about this election. Which of course will be a sham, and if you look at the players all of a sudden we're hearing all this noise about the OSCE and the OSCE inspectors who were, you know, have been kidnapped. And they shouldn't have been there, but that's okay. First of all, the OSCE

1:34:53 Which this thing was created during the last Cold War This this OSCE outfit it is intended to propagate Cold War You've never heard of this thing before unless you're as old as John and I are It's always you and this you and that no now it's OSCE or like the OSCE is the most important thing We never heard of this thing and these by the way were not OSCE observers. They were active-duty NATO military officers They were from the Guy Lincoln Intelligence Base. This is all bullcrap. Now, let's talk about the Geneva Agreement. Because I thought it would be interesting to look up this agreement. You know, I like legislation, I like reading this stuff. So I'm in bed, I'm sweating, I'm drinking NyQuil, DayQuil actually, to keep me going. That's what I call flu medication, John, to answer your email. That's flu medication is DayQuil.

1:35:53 It's basically speed. I'm drinking speed in syrup form and I'm expecting this huge document. It's four paragraphs. Would you like me to read and share with you? This is what Watermelon Head Kerry is making such a big... this is what it's all about. You're not agreeing? Oh, we have the Geneva Agreement! Like it's on a big scroll. Isn't that what you imagine the way these guys talk about it? That's what they try to promote, or at least it's bound. Here it is. The Geneva meeting on the situation in Ukraine agreed on initial concrete steps to de-escalate tensions and restore security for all citizens. This is the actual document. It's not even, it has no paragraph points, it's just a one pager. All sides must refrain from any violence, intimidation or provocative actions.

1:36:48 The participants strongly condemned and rejected all expressions of extremism, racism and religious intolerance including anti-Semitism. Okay, you don't have to do anything there. All illegal armed groups must be disarmed. All illegally seized buildings must be returned to legitimate owners. All illegally occupied streets, squares and other public places in Ukrainian cities and towns must be vacated. So no one's done any of that. Amnesty will be granted to protesters and to those who have left buildings and other public places and surrendered weapons with the exception of those found guilty of capital crimes.

1:37:31 It was agreed that the OSCE special monitoring mission should play a leading role in assisting Ukrainian authorities and local communities in the immediate implementation of the de-escalation measures wherever they are needed most, beginning in the coming days. The US, EU and Russia commit to support this mission including by providing monitors. So that's our... there's your monitors, I'm sorry, we have our thousands of monitors are now in there, FBI, CIA agents according to the Germans. The announced constitutional process will be inclusive, transparent and accountable. It will include the immediate establishment of a broad national dialogue... This is the smoke! ...with outreach to all of Ukraine's regions and political constituencies and allow for the consideration of public comments and proposed amendments. Haven't seen any of that!

1:38:20 The participants underline the importance of economic and financial stability in Ukraine and will be ready to discuss additional support as the above steps are implemented." That's the document that everyone... this is this thing that everyone's talking about. It's vapor. I mean, I have to agree to more when I use an Apple product. This is crazy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, thank you. There should be a ring on that one. Now the IMF They are completely complicit in this rubalization plan. We now have two articles from AP and Reuters, both citing Lagarde, saying, oh well, you know, Ukraine, if you lose the East, which of course is important because it has all the mines,

1:39:15 Here it is, Reuters, International Monetary Fund warned on Thursday it would be forced to redesign its $17 billion bailout for Ukraine and require additional financing if the country lost territory in its restive eastern region. So you see how this works. No, this is good one. This is the catch of the day. This is really nasty crap. Yeah. So here's how it works. We got all our guys there to help it happen. So you give them a billion dollars, which went to Putin anyway. We got all our guys in there and we say, okay, you want the rest of the money? You got to kick everybody out. How do we do that? I don't know. Go burn some people. Oh, okay. Well, but it's not working too well because our army's deserting.

1:40:03 I don't care. We're not going to give you the rest of the money. Oh, the president of Ukraine, what's his name? Yats is the prime minister. The president, he's walking around in combat fatigues now. This is sad. This is so sad. What's happening? Actually, they got $3.2 billion. I think a billion they get to I bet you not a single dollar went anywhere except maybe two billion to Russia, to Gazprom, and one billion to some American companies to help bring the advisors in. But this is it. I gotta find this one. Lagarde has this beautiful term for it. She has this term, it's like,

1:40:51 It's like changing the... This is all economic hit man. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Extremely. She talks about the economic outlook is changing or the economic outlook will have to change. That's code for, yeah I'm sorry we're gonna have to change the deal. That's literally what is being said here. The deal we just shook on, by the way. Yeah. Oh, well, you know, the deal included the East. You don't have the East? You don't have Odessa? We're supposed to run the drugs through Odessa. Nah, nah. I'm sorry, if you don't have Odessa... So this is... the place is going to be rubblized. Now, the... so at issue here... Let's look at the map for a second, John. Let's just take a quick look here. I need some help. If we look at... so let's look at Ukraine.

1:41:34 And then let's look at where... so the pipelines are one thing for the gas. We know that that's an issue, but that's gonna be fixed. We're going to ram it through either Western Iraq, which of course now is... we've got the ISILP guys or whatever those morons are. They're acting up between Syria and Iraq. But we have to run a pipeline from Qatar to get gas into Turkey. That just has to happen because Ukraine is going to fall apart. Now, the real... Right, which means any lines going through there will be torched. Oh yeah. So, yes. And this doesn't happen overnight, but it is happening for real. So we're just... We got to write off Ukraine because the whole idea is rubbleize that, because the whole plan is to contain Russia, contain China primarily. I'm thinking we've got to stop this train.

1:42:31 Now the train, I don't have a map of the train route. That's what I'm looking for. So if you do... Hold on a second. For some reason Google Maps not being very nice. I think it goes through Kazakhstan. China... Train to Germany. Yeah, I have to look at my other map. The logical thing for this is it goes through Moscow. You know, it goes straight through Russia. Here's the China to Germany freight train makes maiden journey. Yeah, that's the one we talked about. It goes to Dausberg and let me see what what country... I noticed Google is running slow today. Yeah, recently. I have exactly the same problem. Funny you say that. Let's see. So I have the train from China to... here it is. Okay, so it runs through... it goes Belarus.

1:43:30 That's what that's okay Belarus to Poland to Germany. Okay, so that's good. It's running south of Moscow. Yeah So it runs through Kazakhstan south of Moscow through Belarus into Poland so and from Poland into Germany so Poland probably stop in Poland to drop stuff off and or pick stuff up, but this is, it'd be interesting, and then into Germany. So Belarus. Is it going to what city? Is it going to Berlin? Is it going to Leipzig? Dauzburg. Dauzburg. Yeah. Okay. Delta Uniform India Sierra, Dauzburg. Yeah, that's where it goes. All right. So Belarus, I would say, is in play then. Because they're not gonna make a big stink, and it makes sense. Belarus, it's north of Ukraine.

1:44:29 That would be the place where I would look for some or or or surround it start some crap in Lithuania first, which is above Belarus. It's gonna be hard to do this. Well, we just need some Al-Qaeda to show up. I think we can rebelize Ukraine because I think they're in play and this was happening as we speak and there's some interesting little if you look at the map there's a lot like a natural border, which consists of a bunch of lakes and rivers that would naturally create an eastern Ukraine, which could happen. And then I don't think you're gonna be able to do anything. I think that train is, I think all that's gonna be at play is gonna be the pipelines. I think the train is just a separate issue. It's got nothing to do with this event.

1:45:27 Well, that's already happening. I mean that that is what Syria is about Syria and then we have eastern I'm sorry, Western Iraq, Eastern Syria, and we just had a report about that today. Hold on I can find it for you. Where is it here? We have Yeah, thousands flee rebel clashes in Syria's east At least 60,000 people have fled towns in Deir Ezzor province in eastern Syria, which has been the scene of fierce clashes between rival rebel groups fighting between Al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front and the breakaway Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. What is this? It's like Morris Day in the time.

1:46:13 ISIL, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Who are these douchebags? I don't know. Let's find out. We gotta look this up. This is the stuff that we're made of. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It's like Gladys Knight and the Pips. What is this? Is ISIL? Yeah. Active group in Iraq and Syria established in the early years of the Iraq war, pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda in 2004, becoming known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Variety of insurgents including its predecessor, the Mujahideen. Oh, it's the CIA. Alright. So the gas needs to come from Qatar.

1:47:00 and it needs to go up to Turkey. This is, this is, it has to happen and the pipelines are already there if you want to get it going through Homs, through Aleppo, this is where the pipelines are. So we, this has to happen and then we can cut off Ukraine and then we can deal with the railroad. But I think the rail, the railroad is cranking up, John, I'm seeing it everywhere. I'm seeing, this is a big, a big, it's a big story now. People, oh it's the new Silk Road, oh it's, oh, didn't know this was happening. And, so a producer pointed out to me, you'll recall I was moaning about the global entry system that... that I filled out for you. Yeah, it goes. Adam says, Producer Ben, you mentioned the strange date format on the global entry website, year, month, day. That happens to be the standard format in China. I'm guessing the global entry program is pushing this format as an international standard for future IDs, passports, documents, etc. I didn't know that.

1:48:01 I didn't know that either. It's actually the... it's funny enough, it's the... I used that format for our files. I happen to like it. But I didn't know that was the standard format in China. Huh, makes me wonder. That would make sense. One hour 48 minutes. We're still alive. We have not crashed. Yeah, no, I think you fixed whatever the problem was. You know what the problem was? Okay. So I have the... so I have everything on one computer now. The whole show runs on one computer. one MacBook Air. Right. Which is quite amazing when you think about it. Just say it. It's astonishing. I don't like using the word amazing. Okay, astonishing. The problem was I was using remote desktop to control it from my other computer. Okay. And I think the remote... That was where the leak was? Yeah. So I spent hours looking through the crash logs

1:49:05 And it was a different application that would quit each time because it would run out of memory. And then I started hunting around and it turns out that when you use Remote Desktop on OSX, that has some kind of resource thing that it can mess with. You know, if you then do a write to the drive, it can crash it. There's a million things. It's shit product, basically, Remote Desktop. So I'm just running it now. The whole show right now is run on the laptop. Hmm. Yeah, so you can go you can move. Yeah I'm good. You know what and I'm ready to be on the road forever Yeah, I'm from the law Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun

1:49:54 I'm running from the law regardless my friend. Sir Michael Allen we want to thank a few people from for show 614's list of donors including Sir Michael Allen from South Plainfield, New Jersey $150 greetings from the Knight of the Railroad Conductors and mover of homeless and drunks off the trains. Ah yes, that's our buddy. Yes, I would like to say thanks for the Knight ring. Finally got one and certificate. Keep up the good work and see y'all on the trains. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. So I guess he works the East Coast. We should get on that train. If you work on an Acela, if you work on an Acela, can you get us a discount for like a sleeper car so I can take one to ride down the coast? I took the Crescent once down from Washington DC to Atlanta.

1:50:41 just because it was, I'm going to a Comdex or some show in Atlanta and I'm in New York and it turned out to be cheaper to go to Washington D.C., get on the overnight train and go to Atlanta instead of spending a night in a hotel. It actually saved me money. And I slept in the car, in the sleeper car. It was nice, it was a nice ride. Yeah, I don't know about sleeping in trains, it's not really. I'll never forget the time they told me, ah, Adam, you're doing this documentary in Australia and you're going to do something really unique. You're going to do the Asia Pacific line. It's a fantastic, it's one of the classic, all-time classic train rides. They're right. It's one of the classic, that's a very famous train ride. Yes, it's 24 hours.

1:51:27 the most boring 24 hours in my life. And they say it's the straightest train track, the longest stretch of straight train track in the world. Yeah, I've seen pictures of this train. And you go through the nuclear testing grounds. That's nice. So there's no stopping or getting out. And it's boring, and it's slow! Well, this ride was not boring, it went through some nice scenery, and it was slow too. and they had a television and a bunch of movies you could watch, so I caught up on some movie watching. And you can get wifi most of the time, so I could do my, it wasn't that what you describe, it was better. But it wasn't fast. Anyway, onward. Sir Andrew Holcomb in Ann Arbor, Michigan, $144.45, I completed my knighthood last week, but mistyped my own email in PayPal, thus screwing up the accounting.

1:52:25 Rather than fight, I decided to donate again. Take that. This is Sir Andrew, protector of the bound books. Read something, slaves. Yeah, there you go. Thank you, Sir Andrew, protector of the bound books. And I agree. Able Kirby, A-K, Able Kirby. $120 from Broomfield, Colorado. Please credit Abel Kirby. It's kind of nice when you have so few donations that we can actually read the notes. So here's the idea. If you want your note read, don't donate. Which makes no sense. I think that's the way to go.

1:53:06 We got two of these 999ers. Marjorie Papico in Hiram, Georgia, and this is a birthday call which we'll throw in. Clark Pruden in La Jolla, California. Ahmad Mian in Calgary, Alberta, where all the money is $72. Dean Turbin in Botany, New South Wales, $70. David O, $66.66 in San Francisco, California. Brian Brown, $66.33 in Orange, California. Olaf Wolf in Munich, Deutschland, $55.55. Olaf Wolf.

1:53:50 Olaf wolf wolf wolf sir simon reid in new york city double nickels on the dime howard abraham rochester minnesota he said he must be in the he must be sir howard by now people when you send us a note first of all there is a spot when you, there's instruction to, what is it called? Other instructions I think is the field. That's where you want to fill in your note. Because sending it to me is not always a sure way to get your note in. And also if you're in the producer list, there's no assurance we're going to read your note. But if you are, if you have a title, if you have peerage, put it in there. Make sure we know. That's important. Yeah, definitely. Let's see, did we get to, no, just lower.

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1:55:30 My friends Riggs and Lesbo, they're husband and wife, came down with cancer within a couple of weeks of each other. And going through chemo together. He's a F cancer, he's got a karma. Yeah, I want to give, lots of people need some F cancer these days, so let me do that for you. You've got karma. If two people get cancer within a couple of weeks of it, that would, to me, hints at environmental issues. Yeah, but you know I have always, I feel that cancer, you know it's a self-destruct mechanism and it's very, look my mom died of cancer and although technically it was lung cancer, I would say broken heart. So I think that you know there's emotional issues that play into cancer and then environmental issues can trigger it. But who am I? I'm a disc jockey. Dave Carey and Claremont

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1:57:34 This is a $50 donation to be matched by SirJD. Oh yeah, that's the matching donation. Yeah, SirJD, he's still on. To bring it to 100. Dear John and Adam, the mother of my girlfriend of two years is a sixth grade math teacher. She and I talk regularly about Common Core and its effect on school curriculum. Here are some depressing tidbits. quote unquote measures of central tendency will be renamed measures of center range is going to be renamed to variance and more but

1:58:17 there, but these come to mind. Why are we renaming these things, standardized terms, well why are we naming standardized terms as beyond me? More lunacy to follow in the next donation. All right, we'll look forward to that. You know what, this Common Core is so bad that even reading emails about Common Core is confusing. Yeah, and that one was particularly confusing. And now finally our last $50 donor, our last donor which is our anonymous broke performing artist lesbian. Oh! And she has a note because we find that she's a perfor- by the way, and it's a performing artist, not a performance artist. Oh, okay, there's a difference, yeah. There's a huge difference. She says in the note, I'm a classical musician. Oh, damn it!

1:59:05 I thought that I made art nobody cares about was a dead giveaway. That's so not true. I listen to classical music. You listen to classical music. I have a classical music I've been playing all the time, 24-7 since 1972. That's true. It's true. And is this from a streaming source since 1972? It's from the local classical music station, only one left, there used to be a few to choose from. And I stream it through a very high-end receiver, it's beautiful fidelity. It sounds very nice. And it goes through a set of about six speakers and a huge 15-inch subwoofer and it plays at low volumes in the front room. All the time? Yeah, all the time. It's like a doctor's office.

1:59:51 It doesn't sound like no, it doesn't sound like that. There's too much bass. No, we listen to classical in the car all the time. You know when you just drive around and go, oh. And by the way, it's always the classical station that has the best signal. Hello. They've always got the boom and rock and you know 18 million gigawatts. They have a good signal at this place too. Yeah, so yeah. She goes on, she says, don't worry gentlemen, although I definitely look dykey, my hetero male friends assure me that I am very quote unquote doable. Well send a picture. Especially if I take off my sensible shoes. Oh well yeah, that's always a bummer.

2:00:30 And then she says, thank you for your courage. But what does she play? I hope it's cello. I did a little research. And? Violin. Ah, that's good too. But cello is such a sexy instrument for a woman to play. You know, I think most violinists could play cello if they wanted to. You know who used to play cello? Who was that? Who was the... I hung out with her once. She... Who was that actress or whatever she did? No, no, she used to do CBS. She was the host of the morning show. Now I'm spacing on this. Well, you're... I'm spacing anyway. My head is exploding. Ah! Time for my quercetin! Anyway, that's all we got for our donation segment. Alright, well, let's... I gotta say, this is not okay. Yeah. This is not okay. No. We're providing value. I watched six hours of C-SPAN. I have a 16 year old kid here who's only gonna be here for two weeks. He's bored out of her skull. He's like, I'm trying to be the cool uncle.

2:01:28 It's like, well it was cool until you started watching these ugly people just standing around. Are you insane? So I'm doing that, I'm taking notes, I'm looking at all the morons, we're getting clips. I'm doing this for my deathbed and I think we're providing some value. We're giving you true analysis that you cannot get anywhere else of the upcoming elections in Europe. Go ahead, I defy you. To find any of that any any information about that or some real analysis about what's happening in Ukraine What what the real deal is between Russia China and the United States and how the EU fits into it how the Obama? Administration is not is completely powerless against the skull and bones neocon State Department John Kerry cabal

2:02:15 But okay. Yeah, and how Berlin is duplicitous when it comes to China. Yes, and Moscow. And Moscow. And so we have to deal with that. Nobody's talking about it. Except an obscure... We can get it. I mean, it's out there, but it takes a lot of work. Well, we're your filter. You do not have to... You can happily watch anything you want. Enjoy the entertainment. All you have to do is tune in to us to get the real news. And it's healthier for you. As we know, stress can be transmitted via television, and let your kids listen. We also make you feel a lot better and give them less anxiety about, we're not all gonna die from climate change. I forgot to do this on the last show, but there's one of our producers, he's an architect, I think,

2:03:10 or architectural engineer. And now these green buildings, this is real. These, you know, the ones where you grow the food on the roof and then you have the restaurant in the building. Right, and my prediction on all this is rats. There's a whole new testing thing you have to go through to be certified for this. It's a whole bonanza. Yeah, more scams. The US Green Building Society. They would love to make you have a certificate, to get a permit to grow vegetables in your own backyard. Oh yeah. It's hard to have chickens in most towns. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And chickens are extremely valuable. They eat the bugs in the backyard, they give you eggs. Shh, don't tell, don't tell, Mickey wants chickens and I don't, so shh. Oh, chickens are great because of the eggs. We get eggs from Farmer Chris.

2:04:00 Or they got the real dark yolk? Farmer Chris's eggs are the best. Oh, and then you don't need chickens. And he saves the big ones for us. We can get you off chickens if you need a lecture. I can give her, personally give her the lecture. If you want me to get her not to have chickens, I got that down to. Well, I'm already there. It's just the bug eating thing. I got anecdotes that she wouldn't be interested in. Anyway, long story short, you need to support the show. If you get any kind of value, and of course we highly appreciate the people who come in every single month. There's people who do $50 a month, $33, $33, $12, $12, $11, $11, $5, $4, that is... that's really appreciated. Do whatever you can, but help us. This is the only way that this show can continue, and it's your show, so it's up to you.

2:04:56 It's your birthday, birthday, on NovaChampion Well there's only one birthday mentioned today so I'll read the entire note. Happy Birthday says Marjorie Papico to my incredible husband Matt. He'll be 33 on Tuesday May 6th. I was hoping to donate $333.33 for his 33rd birthday but 3 times $33.33 is the best we can do right now. and she did donate $99.99. The Getting Together Karma you gave us last year for his birthday worked! Of course, we're still living the mac and cheese life, but at least we can share the box now. Chiropractic School for Matt and I finally found a job after six months, although our monthly donation isn't much, we never stopped donating when I was out of work. That's how much we value and love the show. Keep up the great work, and here's to a magical year for Matt, and happy birthday!

2:05:44 birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe. That's a beautiful note. That was a good note. It's funny. Um, we were talking about women and uh, what's that? Did I write that down for this show? Let me see. I think, let me see. I had an email about that. Well, talking about women, there's an, there's one little news item that keeps cropping up and it's bothersome, which is, What is the deal with the especially Chase Bank cutting off all the strippers and porn stars from their bank accounts? Right, so this is, and several people have emailed me about this, this is the clearing accounts?

2:06:29 So if you have a porn business, online porn, or if you're a webcam girl or something like that, you'll typically go through one guy who has an account, a credit card account, who's in good standing with the bank like Chase, and he'll take a small percentage to clear your transactions. And Chase has been closing these accounts. Now this is part of... There was a... I had this in the show notes one or two shows ago. There was an initiative from the Obama administration that even had a name like Operation Stockholm or some crazy name like that, which is to shut down all of these go-between guys. And of course the problem is if you have an online porn business, you're just not going to be able to do it.

2:07:21 anymore. You're not going to be able to get any kind of transaction account. And it's very possible that this will hit us one of these days. A lot of the private accounts have been shut down. The stripper, the porn girl, the girl Stoya, who is a high-end porn star, One of the AVN winners as a matter of fact. She doesn't do that stuff. She doesn't do webcams or anything. She's just a straight up porn star. That's beneath her, please. Yes. And she got cut off. It's all outlined in her Twitter account. Well, yeah, but she probably has her own website and she probably sells stuff. Here's the problem, the way I see it.

2:08:06 There's a high amount of returns on the credit card. So here's how it goes. Guy's like, I'm horny, let me go find some porn. And then he's looking around, he finds Stoya, he's like, oh crap, oh, I don't get to see the cum shot. Let me swipe my card and I can get the extended video. And then he gets his first bill and it's like, it doesn't even matter, it's like 10 bucks and his wife goes, what? He says, oh no that's a false charge honey, I didn't do that. And then they claim, they go to the credit card company and say, oh we didn't make this charge. And it's reversed. And there's a high amount of this on these porn sites. So ultimately, I would say it is the crappy customers to blame.

2:08:53 Well, we're gonna definitely get notes because I it's probably true that we have some of these people listening to our show I'm not sure that what you just said is the reason this is going on According to at least the article that was in the welcome to the beta one of the advice magazines magazine Yeah, it's online. They they talked to bankers about this and the guys bankers are irked about this is the Justice Department is telling him to do this Oh, so that does go back to that operation Stockholm thing It's kind of, actually there's an operational name for this. It's called Operation Chokepoint. That's what it is. Chokepoint, Stockholm, same thing. Yeah, thank you. We had that in the show notes, we just never got to it.

2:09:34 Right. And what does it say? What is this Operation Chokepoint? What is it about? Because I forgot. It's a justice department deciding supposedly, now this is all speculation on the part of Vice's writers and I think some of the women, that the Justice Department has decided that certain things, certain businesses in the United States need to be shut down. Yeah, the payday lenders is what this is about. And payday lenders is one of them. So they're going to kill all the, you got a personal account, you happen to own a payday lending operation, you're probably going to get And there's other ways of dealing with people like payday lenders. There used to be ursery laws in this country and it used to, in fact,

2:08:53 Well, we're gonna definitely get notes because I it's probably true that we have some of these people listening to our show I'm not sure that what you just said is the reason this is going on According to at least the article that was in the welcome to the beta one of the advice magazines magazine Yeah, it's online. They they talked to bankers about this and the guys bankers are irked about this is the Justice Department is telling him to do this Oh, so that does go back to that operation Stockholm thing It's kind of, actually there's an operational name for this. It's called Operation Chokepoint. That's what it is. Chokepoint, Stockholm, same thing. Yeah, thank you. We had that in the show notes, we just never got to it.

2:09:34 Right. And what does it say? What is this Operation Chokepoint? What is it about? Because I forgot. It's a justice department deciding supposedly, now this is all speculation on the part of Vice's writers and I think some of the women, that the Justice Department has decided that certain things, certain businesses in the United States need to be shut down. Yeah, the payday lenders is what this is about. And payday lenders is one of them. So they're going to kill all the, you got a personal account, you happen to own a payday lending operation, you're probably going to get And there's other ways of dealing with people like payday lenders. There used to be ursery laws in this country and it used to, in fact,

2:10:10 There used to be lots of them and you could not charge these ridiculous interest rates and you couldn't create these kinds of things like payday lenders. But if they had ursery laws today, the big losers would be the credit card companies. So why? You've seen how that scam works. So they're just going to do it on their own. So you're going to force people out of business. Well then how, why are the bankers actually complaining? If this is to benefit the banks? It's not to benefit the banks, that's the point. Who is it benefiting then? It benefits the Justice Department that wants to shut, that's been pressured to shut down certain businesses. By whom? By whom have they been pressured to shut this down? This I don't know. Okay, Operation Chokepoint is an effort born out of the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force.

2:10:53 A group created in 2009 as a kind of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen of Law Enforcement. A drinking club of douchebags. Including the Department of Justice, the Federal Trade Commission, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. The DOJ handles the criminal aspects, the FTC regulates business, FDIC regulates banks. The theory behind Operation Chokepoint is that by cutting off... I'm reading from The Guardian, by the way. Is that by cutting off the access that scammers and fraudsters have to banks, there will be less fraud. To determine who the potential fraudsters are, the regulators came up with a blacklist of potential bad guys. Credit card schemes, gambling, escort services, Ponzi... This is ruining escorts? Well now we have a problem. What next, beer? What next, podcasters who say anti-government stuff. Yeah. No, no, that's coming for sure. Let me turn off the ionizer, hold on. No, I think people out there who listen to our broadcasts should be aware of this. It's funny because now I'm wishing that Bitcoin had worked out.

2:11:59 Well, that was never gonna happen. Did you hear what about how this went down with Bitcoin by the way? This is pretty crazy. No. Okay, so there's this group of investors who are buying Mt. Gox and now remember the FBI, they, the FBI, you know, has all these, it has like the largest Bitcoin wallet and then Mt. Gox went bankrupt in Japan, I believe. And now there's this group of investors which includes a former FBI guy, which coincidentally, and this ex-TV star kid. And they're buying up Mt. Gox and then magically they found a 200,000 Bitcoin wallet all of a sudden. And it looks like they're going to buy out some of the people who lost money in it. And Brock Pierce is the kid's name. Brock Pierce.

2:13:03 He was like a kid star in the Mighty Ducks. And he was a part of the DEN. Do you remember DEN? The Digital Entertainment Network? Oh yeah, I do. Right. Which was a huge scam failure. Yeah. So these guys are all involved in it. But this Brock kid, he was also mentioned in that recent scandal With the kid that was sodomized in Hollywood? No, this is not ringing a bell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, of course, this also kind of probably happens a lot, but it's not ringing a bell. Okay. Yeah, we did because Clinton's name came up in this as well. All right, well, that's beside the point. Anyway, so there's this

2:14:01 There's something really fishy going on with this. The way Mt. Gox went out of business, then they found 200,000 bitcoins in a wallet somewhere in like a box. And then these guys are buying it out with a whole new bunch of investors, including the Digital Entertainment Network people. Very sketchy. And a former FBI guy. This thing reeks of Well, honeypot, A, and also scam. Big, big scam. I had that still written down, so I want to make sure we talked about it. Yeah, okay. Back to the war on men from Jennifer. I am the wife you were referring to in show 612 trying to convince my husband of 19 years to be a Noah Jendelistner. He was actually my very wise, quote, male privileged, now 17-year-old son who discovered you through John via Twit.

2:15:03 Which is another fact, John, that Twit still gets us listeners. So don't piss Leo off. Now you know I've known Leo forever. He's not that easy to... Well, no, actually... Never mind. Here's what you do. Here's how you do it. Shut up, John. Here's how you do it. We never landed on the moon. That's all you have to do. Then you're good to go. No, with Leo it's like... You're right, Leo! Yeah, exactly. That's all you gotta do. Therefore, my opinion is there's a small fraction of humans of both genders who enjoy your no agenda. Walking upright does not guarantee intelligence. Thank you both so much for the best podcast in the universe. I'm sickened to know what is really going on, but glad nonetheless. My previous reference to male privilege is the Feminazi speak of my son's teacher, apparently. It is a crime to be a male these days, especially white. White women are so put upon. Please, I will stop now.

2:16:00 Sorry for the long commentary, but you did ask the question. Thank you, Jennifer, from... It wasn't that long. No, it wasn't at all. Northern Mexico, she says, aka Escondido, California. So yeah. Yeah, I'm sure that's... Thank you for your privilege is what we should be saying. Thank you for your privilege, John, for being a white man. Well, thank you for your privilege. It is and I was like that was I was actually noticing that during the the correspondence dinner when they had that video It was like could they show more women in the video? It was just it was all women there was no got no dudes And it was like please I want you to know we have black people and women. Oh the guy made a big point of it Yeah, well and the guy who runs the correspondence club. Yeah, and granted it was you know

2:16:49 Granted, they were a bunch of racist a-holes, racist misogynist dicks. Yeah, dicks. So you were very right about Don Rav, Glenn Greenwald, as he is now on the speaking circuit. Glenn Greenwald effectively has been castrated from reporting anything. He will release his book and he's prepping for that and he's on the speaking circuit and he did in Canada, Canada, Did the monk debates which I'd never heard of before apparently it's quite famous Yeah, have you ever heard of the monk debate? I have heard of him I knew that this was going on and I and I just for summary and I was thinking about listening in and I Decided against it. Well, you would have had to pay for it

2:17:38 Oh, I didn't know that. Oh yeah. To listen in on the internet? For the live stream you have to become a member or anyways not anymore. It's out there now. Did you listen to it? So, well I watched the whole thing last night from my deathbed. And? Well, it was Grant Greenrod. This is again how this show works by the way. One of us doesn't do anything, the other one does it. It's amazing how that works. It's astonishing. I'm sorry, it's astonishing. That's why I hope you lead a long and healthy life, John. And you better hope the same for me, because I'm not doing too well. Yeah, you'll be fine tomorrow. It was Gran Greenwaugh and the kid from Reddit. So somebody wrote in, by the way, I'm going to interrupt you, saying, why does Adam keep saying Gran Greenwaugh?

2:18:30 And I didn't have an answer. Because it's funnier. Okay. Because what we have... You started doing this a long time ago and I just didn't think much about it. Well, it comes from this. It comes from this particular bit. Don't laugh. Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? Don't... Shut up! Shut up, Grangrybal! I know, because... It's fine. I like it. You don't mind. No, I think it's enjoyable. Thank you. It's him and the kid from Reddit who founded Reddit. What's his name, Alexei? Yeah. Who is... Yeah. And by the way, Reddit is owned by Conde Nast. It's not like some underdog.

2:19:10 I keep hearing about Reddit, oh Reddit's so cool. No, it's Condé Nast, it's a huge multinational that owns that. You know, the multinationals own pieces of everything. They own all of Reddit as far as I know. That's what I'd like to tell people, that mainstream media includes Fox, Reddit, all these things. These are all mainstream media. We're the only, one of the very few outlets of true non-mainstream media. So this guy seems like he's a bit like, It's like if you wanted to draw a picture of the guy who got pulled out of college to become a CIA agent, this is him. But he's on the Gren Greenwald team. And he's drippy. He's drippy. And he's like, I'm a nerd. Okay, whatever. Then we had on the other side, we had General Michael Hayden and Alan Dershowitz.

2:20:08 Who I thought he was a divorce lawyer. No, no, no. Alan Dershowitz is a law instructor and he is a notorious hyper-progressive and he takes on a lot of crazy... He gets involved in a lot of crazy cases that are all... Didn't he used to do divorce law? Not that I know of. Why... When I lived in New... Maybe I'm wrong. Well, I'm sure I'm wrong. Let me just check. I thought Alan Dershowitz Divorce. I thought he did high profile divorce cases. Not that I know of. Am I thinking of somebody else? Must be. Probably. You would be. Yeah, must be. It's the NyQuil. It's the DayQuil. Alright.

2:20:52 So it was pretty bland. Yeah, why am I not surprised? Yeah, I mean and you know, I think Grant Greenwald was... And by the way, Hayden is not gonna be a good guy to put on a debate because he's gonna be under indictment for war crimes. He's not gonna be able to say anything. Hold on, I only have clips from him. Oh! He was... pretty funny! Well, he can be funny. I'd like to have a beer with the guy. Here is, uh, so I'm gonna play it in reverse order, I only have two clips, because really there wasn't anything else. Dershowitz, like, pfft, I want to listen to Dershowitz. And, uh, that Lexi guy was just like, oh, the same technology that allows us to do selfies is being used against us. Okay...

2:21:41 And you know, Gregg Greenwald was just all over this saying, ah, this is, you know, his regular thing. But here, so do you know what the NSA slogan is that is on all of their websites and their documentation? I have, I do know, but it doesn't come to mind. Collect it all. Oh, I didn't know that. Collect it all. And so Greenwald starts off as a hoarder. These are hoarders. The archive, yeah, hoarders. Digital hoarders. Yeah, they're hoarders. No, you're right. The NSA are hoarders. Collect it all. Which means that they've got to screw loose.

2:22:17 Yes, and so Greenwald throughout the... essentially here's how the debate went. Greenwald keeps bringing up this collect it all, collect it all. Alexei keeps saying police state, police state, police state. And Hayden and Dershowitz keep saying terrorism, terrorism, terrorism. That is essentially the debate. Wow. Fascinating. But at the end, after this whole half hour, 45 minutes of collect it all, Hayden says this. NSA's mantra, collect it all, doesn't mean collect it all. They drown, they can't use it. What it means is they want the ability to cover any communications by any method of at any time by those who would do you harm. Trust me, if what Glenn says is true, and if what Alexis fears is true were true, I'd vote for him too.

2:23:15 Kind of hard to hear probably, but... It was terrible. What kind of audio did they feed you? Yeah, that's shit. But he says, so what he says is, collect it all doesn't mean collect it all. Yeah, no. Of course not. And here's the only other thing I know. Even though all the evidence in the case they were actually doing that. Yes. Talk about scare tactics. I think it's out of phase. That's, I think, I think it's something went out of phase. I wonder if I can reverse the phase on this. Now don't worry about it. It's under, that's just... Okay, alright, here we go. Talk about scare tactics. We need to run the tape sometime and count how many times Alan and I said terrorism and how many times Glenn and Alexis said surveillance state. What do they really mean by surveillance state? 1.7 billion US emails a day collected? No, that's just not true.

2:24:07 The surveillance state is out of control. They're monitoring, just now Alex, every single one of us. We're gathering up the information on far more innocent people. I need to know the what. It's hard for me to counter that. What is it you think we're doing? I love the Snowden quote. It covers your text messages, your web history, your searches you've ever made. That's Google. That's not NSA. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, it was out of phase for some reason. Yeah, no, you could hear it. Yeah, it was out of phase, weirdly. Yeah, it sounds like a waste of time. But it was interesting how he slams Google, which of course is not the NSA, it's the CIA. Ah. Right? Yeah, yeah. That's the way it looks. Now Hayden is making the rounds.

2:25:05 Hayden is trying to bolster his image. I don't why order lot well he's still there's still a lot of well that paper that that Feinstein said the That secret report that was supposed to be prepared by the Intelligence Committee of the Senate that supposedly 6,000 pages cut way down It has damning evidence in there that he and his buddy Rodriguez and the other guy are essentially war criminals They green-lighted the torture Right, right, right, right. So Hayden has got to make, you know, he's doing everything he can to make himself look good. Well, he was on a different program. This was in a... this was some... Oh, by the way, book. Right. He was on a think tank chat show talking about the red line on Syria. And I was reading, let's see, when was I reading this?

2:26:09 This, the intelligence community, but the neocons, everyone is so mad about what happened with Syria. And of course we know why, because the timing was perfect. We had to rubbleize the place, get the pipes connected, have the gas flowing from Qatar to Turkey, then we cut off Ukraine, everything was set, good to go, and then Obama stopped it. And here is Hayden talking about that. The red line thing. My raw emotion watching it from the outside was just embarrassment. As someone who has actually played this sport, you look at it and go, wow. It's like Casey Stengel in the 60-something Mets. Can anybody here play this game? It just cost in so many ways. That sounds judgmental, and it probably was. And I try not to do that, being an intelligence officer. But I just don't understand. That was a presidential speech.

2:27:08 I mean it really was. And a good one, I mean if you were going to go to war. And so we were all geared up for the Saturday morning announcement the next day where the president would have said informing the American public that two hours ago and so on and so forth. And he didn't. What he said was, Dennis and I took a walk on the South Lawn last night and we decided we'll toss this to Congress. They'll decide. I just, you know, the predict... Sometimes the certainty of an action is far more powerful than the severity of an action. And we've made everything uncertain. Which actually makes you appear weak at sometimes, but also then demands that when you want to appear strong, you may have to be overly severe to overcome the uncertainty. It's just bad all around.

2:28:08 There you go. Cost us in so many ways, bad all around, weak. That's some pretty big words. He doesn't seem to be on board with Obama. No, no. Or the public. There's an interesting another one of these things that went on on the McLaughlin report about isolationism in the country, even though he tosses, this is the new isolationism clip. McLaughlin does his long package again, I only have again which is part of it, and then kicks it over to Pat Buchanan who I think misinterprets this because I don't think Pat Buchanan knows what isolationism, modern isolationism is, which is what we are experiencing, which does affect foreign policy. Try this. A majority, 47%.

2:28:56 say that the United States should be less active in world affairs, as compared to 19% more active. 30% believe the current level of activity is about right. The 47% who want the US to be less active is a new majority as compared to earlier years when similar questions were asked by these pollsters. Only 14% of Americans wanted a less active role in 2001, 13 years ago, and 32% said the same in 1997, 17 years ago. A similar poll done by the Pew Research Center last year showed a record number of Americans said that the US should quote-unquote, mind its own business internationally, unquote. 53%.

2:29:42 In 1964, 50 years ago, how many Americans said we should mind our own business internationally? Only 20%. Question, is America becoming isolationist, Pat Buchanan? No, I would not say so, John. Most Americans want to maintain diplomatic, economic ties with every country in the world. They like the fact we're negotiating with Iran. But what they are is They are anti-interventionist, anti-going into these unnecessary wars like Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya. They're all fed up with that. They don't want to fight in Ukraine. They don't want to fight in Crimea. So that element's at play. And Michael Hayden, of course, is old school. And he was he thinks that we should have bombed, you know, that phony. That would have been the phoniest thing to do. The Syrian bombing that Obama wisely backed off of that. And I don't think it's hurt him politically.

2:30:36 No, but it wasn't the setup. It wasn't the idea is, you know, we need to... I know. In fact, it's not isolation of the United States, it's isolationism of China and Russia. That's what it is. That's what we're trying to accomplish. But we needed... The problem is, what these guys don't understand, and if they hired us, the Curator of War, our consulting group, they would get the proper advice. They started off really strong, blaming, you know, making Putin hate the gays. That was really smart. That was really, really good. It worked. But they dropped it. You know, and the dogs, and the dogs was cute. The dogs were great. That's just icing on the cake. That was really good. But they dropped that whole thing. You know, you've got to kill more gays. You have to have Putin killing Ukrainian gays. We need a rainbow flag.

2:31:30 You know, we need gays like crying in the streets. Then you want to see something happen? Ha ha ha ha. Then you'll see people jump to attention. I don't do they are they blind do they not see this this is so obvious to me. I don't know it's You agree right? I mean, that's all that that's literally all they have to do well That's one of a that's a that's a primary strategy that can be continued Which they didn't do it seems to you know of course a lot of this I still believe has to do with Snowden Yeah, but they first of all they they did much of that early smear campaign against Putin to kind of lessen the impact of the Winter Games, the Winter Olympics. And it was all done prior to that. And then after the games were over, then they kind of dropped the ball. They didn't think of this as a continuing strategy. So right now, the only thing they do is just nothing. They just bitch. And then they send in these people, troublemakers into Ukraine to

2:32:32 To help rubble eyes it but it's not the same but the propaganda side of its missing, you know, they did. Yes They had some good Propaganda going and the public was lapping it up But they dropped the ball. So now the mainstream media is is all over Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi. I Love this I think it's just at the end of the show here, John, I think it's worth reiterating our take on this. This was... and they've almost got it right. They're very close to the point. They're getting closer. They're getting close to what really went on. We saw this... And some people know what went on and they try to push in that direction. They just can't come out and say it. Right. Then, of course, at the time, I was told by Tony the terrorist in San Francisco, who was a cab driver,

2:33:21 that the Tunisians had received the call, we need you to go into Benghazi, we need you to kidnap the ambassador and hold on to him, and then this will be a surefire October surprise for the president to be re-elected when he negotiates his freedom. And I'm pretty confident that Hillary was in on it. Oh yeah, no she was totally in on it because we saw her with a very pissed look. Very pissed off. Right after, during this happened and then she blew up at Congress with what difference does it make? Right. And all the rest of it. She was totally in on this. Yes. And of course things went awry.

2:34:06 And the ambassador was not just killed, I mean this guy, they raped him with broomsticks, it was horrible. None of that's been reported. It really, really, really went wrong. And I want to mention that people say, well, you know, Obama won with the big, what was he worried about? We have to remember that during the election, the media goes out of its way to make the election sound like an even Steven match. Exactly. Oh, Romney's ahead by a point and they always down by a point. He's ahead by a point because this gives them money. They get money from both parties that feel that the need to advertise more, which

2:34:46 Which is why campaign finance will never get through by the way because they're trying an amendment now we can talk about in the next show. Yeah, I watched some of that. So Obama's camp wasn't, except for there was like one guy who had it all figured out but nobody would believe him because he's the only one. You had Karl Rove coming on these TV shows guaranteeing that Romney would win. Romney believed it, trust me. I'm sure he did. He was given the guarantee. So it was a scam. And so they needed this October surprise to shut the deal down and the whole thing is laughable. Yeah, and of course now it's being used politically. I think it's actually good for Hillary Clinton. I think that everyone loves this. I think it puts her... Right now it's pushing a lot of stuff off onto Obama.

2:35:40 I don't think it's as good for Hillary as you might. I think this is, the Warren camp may actually be part of this. Could be. Let's bring this up a little bit, maybe we can smear Hillary. All you need is one thing like this to smear her, she's done. It's the same thing that happened with Chris Christie, the guy Even though I didn't think much of it. Well, it'll take a lot more to... Well, I don't think so. Alright, it's okay. I could be wrong. I felt the same way you do before, but the more I... I have a couple clips to just laugh about. First, here is... Nancy Pelosi is so annoyed with all this and then whenever Nancy Pelosi gets annoyed it's funny. I haven't seen that but what I will say is again, diversion subterfuge. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. Why aren't we talking about something else?

2:36:43 Why are we talking about something else? Because it's pretty interesting, Nancy. That's why. Here is National Security Council spokesman Tommy Victor. And this guy, he's been around for a while. He's young and he's dumb. He has no business being on television. And this, I thought, was the funniest thing I've heard any spokeshole say when being grilled about anything. But of course, Benghazi is perfect. White House, you add a line about the administration warning of September 10th of social media reports calling for demonstrations. True? I believe so.

2:37:18 Did you also change attacks to demonstrations in the talking points? Maybe I don't really remember. You don't remember? Dude, this is like two years ago. We're still talking about- Dude, dude, this is like so two years ago, dude. Wow. He said dude. Borderline clip of the day. Listen to that again. That's funny. Dude, this is like two years ago. We're still talking about the most mundane- Dude, and Brett Baier says dude. Us? Yeah. He said the dude's in the back. It was edited from attacks to demonstrate. No, Michael Morell has testified about what he changed and what was changed in those. Dude, dude! Dude. All right, here's a, for those of you want a little background, here's a, an extra email came out. This is why this is all, and you got to wonder how this happens. You know, and this was Ben Rhodes.

2:38:34 who I thought was one of the president's closest allies. But anyway, somehow some FISA, not FISA, FICA, FUCA, FOIA, there we go, I got it. Takes me a minute. Some FOIA request finally got honored. And this is the hidden email. Since late March alone, we have received over 3200 new documents Many of which have never been seen before by anyone outside of the administration. Why is this John? Why do you think this all of a sudden these these new documents pop up? Elizabeth Warren. Hmm. Okay possible. And all of which and I repeat all of which should have been turned over more than a year and a half ago when the committee launched its investigation. Some of these documents which were brought to light

2:39:36 Only days ago through a four-year request by an organization known as judicial watch show a direct White House role Outside I'm going to repeat this the documents from judicial watches for you, which were pursuant to our Request more than a year and a half ago show a direct White House role outside of talking points prepared by the intelligence community the White House produced the talking points that Ambassador Rice used, not the intelligence community. In pushing the false narrative that a YouTube video was responsible for the deaths of four brave Americans. It is disturbing and perhaps criminal that these documents, that documents like these were hidden by the Obama administration from Congress and the public alike. Criminal?

2:40:35 That's a that's some pretty big words Daryl. Yeah, no, that's a That's not good particularly after Secretary Kerry pledged cooperation and the president himself told the American people in November of 2012 that quote every bit of information we have on Benghazi has been provided and they've now subpoenaed Kerry and So that's gonna piss him off. Oh, yeah, he'll have some he'll be snide. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah With his little sphincter mouth. He is a horrible presenter when he is being... When he's uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah, and then... He gets mean, his tongue darts in and out. Then we have finally this is Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters now this is one of the guys from the operation pundit and

2:41:31 You know, you retire but you don't really retire. You just get... Well if you notice when Hayden spoke he still said he is... he didn't say I'm a former intelligence officer. No, when it was just... He said I'm an intelligence officer. Oh yeah, as an intelligence officer. Yeah, as an intelligence officer. So this is retired Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters talking about the president and... In regards to what happened in Benghazi. We failed the administration failed the president failed and you know worst of all this is part of a pattern for President Obama He can't make timely decisions. He has no courage It's whether it's been Ghazi or Syria or Iran or now Vladimir Putin for the first time in our history We've had great presidents. We've had terrible presidents. We have a most presence somewhere in between and

2:42:17 But this is the first time we've ever had a president who's an outright coward. Vladimir. That's what that's the new way to pronounce Vladimir. Vladimir. Well, then that brings me right back to the true contender. Joe Biden. This is the man. He really believes he's he's the man for the job. And it's always funny. And I've saved the best for last. He's always the guy is deluded. So he is speaking at Chris Dodd's MPAA, the Motion Picture Association of America. Hollywood, essentially. And here he comes, Joe O'Biden, who of course he needs to speak to Hollywood because he knows, hey, you know Jill, I can't become president without Hollywood. I got to get them pansies on board. He really truly believes it. Here he is. My great friend Joe Biden, everybody.

2:43:17 Listen to how important he is. Hey everybody, how are you? You're gonna love this. Well, if there have been the rumors all those years and Chris and I served in the Senate that although I was chairman he controlled me and we've just I've given new life to those rumors because and I was physically a few minutes ago in a room for an hour and a half, in a room called the Oval Office with Chancellor Merkel and the President talking about a number of things. We finally turned to trade, and I had to literally stand up and say, Mr. President, I have to go over and talk about trade with Chris Dodd and his group. I'm so awesome. I just, I just, I was in this little room called the Oval, and I said, Hey, Merkel, hey, President, I got to go.

2:44:19 Because I'm Joe effing Biden, okay? Angela Merkel looked at me like what in the hell is he talking about? So there is no question that you've got the right guy with the right influence. Oh, because I can just piss in the wind against Angela Merkel. I'm the right guy with the right influence. Look, I'm going to skip the introductions because I'm supposed to go back and have lunch, a working lunch with Chancellor Merkel. And but yeah, I want you to know that it's not for lack of interest and we wish I could stay longer. I'm incredibly busy. I have a working lunch with Angela Merkel.

2:44:58 It jumps out of his mind! Wow. Isn't that great? Don't you love that? Yeah, the guy's just name-dropping and just preening. He's preening. All right, so now let's get down to the nuts and bolts of why I'm here for you people. Today, the face of piracy in your industry is changing. It used to be a man, not too many years ago, sitting in a movie theater with a camcorder, trying to go unnoticed, inconspicuously. And that camcorder is about the size of a golf bag. Yeah, that was in 1932, Joe, but okay. That's why no one's laughing. What is Joe talking about? Recording the movies. Oh, alright. That they were going to pirate. Ah.

2:45:45 Though the cameras are obviously smaller today, to a remarkable extent, this practice continues. But now the face of piracy is also a computer server in a far-off country stealing an illegal version of a Hollywood movie to send it around the world with the click of a mouse. There you go. Through the series of tubes, that's all that you had to say. It would have been perfect. And rob you. Rob you. Steal from you. Steal from you. What is yours? It's yours. The technologies evolve and so must our laws, including internationally. To deal in a way that's tough and smart

2:46:24 as well as persistent. With those who engage in large-scale stealing of illegal copyrighted... Joe's losing it now. Infringing on movies and music... Don't infringe on my movie! That's nasty! Get a tissue! The mega upload websites enabling mass theft... Those douchebag mega upload websites! In the same way law is already around the books to do offline to on the books. There you go. There you go. Joe's a copyright. He's the he is the copyright president. That's who Joe is.

2:47:04 And then he said, this is my last clip on this, he wound it up with this gem. So the question is, how do we create a global economic order that favors creativity and innovation? A global economic order, I love that. Just say new, Joe, just say new world order, come on, say it. The question is, how do we create a global economic order that favors creativity and innovation everywhere? That's what I want to talk to you a little bit about today. Of course each society is different and some are fundamentally different, but there's a certain common ingredients that make up success. Basic liberties so citizens can think and speak freely and journalists can tell people the truth and even tell people what is not the truth. What? What? What does that mean? What is he saying? Let's listen to that again. Journalists can tell people the truth

2:48:05 and even tell people what is not the truth. Okay? Drunk or not drunk. What is up with that? I don't know. I think it's just more bumbling from this guy Biden. Just want to live in a society where journalists can tell people what is not the truth. Oh man. Alright. Are you doing twit today? Not that I know of. You better check. I did, I sent a chat a note and I haven't heard back. Because I have another... I'm not planning on going. Someone sent me some thoughts and again this is great when you're ill and you're in a whole different plateau. Dayquil is something amazing. What is in Dayquil? Probably some ephedrine.

2:48:59 Let's see, what is the... where's the ingredients? Does it have ingredients here? Active ingredients. Citric acid. No, it doesn't. That's just a preservative. All right. DNC yellow number 10. FDNC yellow number 6. Flavor. It has... flavor is an active ingredient. High fructose corn syrup. Polyethylene glycol. Purified water. saccharin sodium and sodium citrate. Well, there's nothing in here. What is- that does nothing. Well, that doesn't make any- well then you're stoned on your own good looks. It's a non-drowsy alcohol- this is the wrong one. Who wants the non-drowsy? Oh, well. Um... And what good is- it sounds like it's just got a bunch of- No good! Syrup, and you're just drinking the sugar. Drinking sugar water here. Well, it's working for me. Maybe it's just the sugar. Lemoncello.

2:50:03 Regarding net neutrality, there's a lot of interesting emails flowing back and forth. People have a lot to say. A lot of people are very thankful that we're at least bringing some sanity to the conversation. But let me give you one more nugget. If, and I believe there's enough morons out there who are screaming net neutrality, Net neutrality, the only way you can bring about true net neutrality. You know, what does everyone says, John? We want every packet equality? Every packet is equal. Yeah, packet equality. Yeah, packet equality. There's only one way you can get packet equality. Deep packet inspection. Why? In order to make every packet equal, you have to know what every packet is doing.

2:51:02 There's going to be deep packet inspection on every single packet. Well, that's not... that is going on anyway. Not necessarily. Now it will be not just... now it will be legally binding. Well, okay. I find the debate tedious. Yeah, but okay. Really? And especially if it goes out... yeah, well, you heard it. You know, you had these three people going on and on about, oh my god, the internet as we know it is dead and they won't have equal packets. And Leo going, oh my god, I'm gonna be screwed. I realized how much I'm gonna get screwed somehow. He's always gonna get screwed with it. In fact, never has been screwed. But he's gonna get screwed.

2:51:46 And everybody's all in a tizzy and I'm thinking well I'm not seeing that you know I see a lot of and that you know and I like Comcast There you go, all right, yes, it's Comcast You are cut you are mr. Comcast ik although I have to say it doesn't work on Skype very well or very well and that's because of something going on even I'm using DSL for this Podcast, but I have the alternatives here. So I'm not completely freaked out about it. And I suppose if I live someplace else, it might be very problematic. But well, here's the good news. I can live wherever I want now because we went through the entire show. Nothing crashed and it's all done on a single laptop. Yeah, that's pretty astonishing.

2:52:35 Yeah, I'd say amazing. No, astonishing. That's a great word. Of course on Thursday we'll know more about these 11 terrorists with links to Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda affiliates who have been arrested for the disappearance of Flight MH370. And as I said, it's about the cargo manifest. That's the first thing I said. Remember I talked about the batteries and I talked about the extra stuff that was undocumented? That is the... I will vouch for you. Thank you very much. We don't have to go back and listen to the tape. It's true. I will vouch for you. Absolutely. He's talked about the batteries. We'll be back on Thursday. Hopefully I'll be in some better health or who knows? Might be having a new co-host. Well, as long as you can do this show from the hospital.

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