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00:00 It is only a question of time when popular self-government will be impossible and will be succeeded by chaos and finally a dictatorship. Hello 2013! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, October 3rd, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 553. This is no agenda. Monitoring JT65 on 20 meters. KF5 SLN from the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the Droven Star State, Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm not monitoring anything except the news, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpot and buzzkill. It's like you're giving me a bad name, like I'm not monitoring, like I'm not doing my job or something.

00:48 Oh, I'm just saying you were monitoring, you were spending your time on the hands. No, I'm not. I'm multitasking. I've got it rolling here just in case someone needs to send me a secure message. Let's be honest, the JT65 is more secure than anything these days. Probably. Yeah. Is there a they figure what are all these old coots gonna do anyway? And the conditions are great though right now today. I'd five watts I'm all over the continental US up into Canada Mexico. Yeah, it's pretty cool. How that works. Yeah. Well, I'm sure there's a couple agents listening in No, I don't think so. Yeah, they're probably hams too. They have yeah, they're yeah, they have no time for this bullcrap besides they're all sequestered and

01:34 Yeah, that's right. There's that I never thought I would be so affected by a shutdown. Oh, you're affected Oh, like yes. Yes. No, I'm I am emotionally physically economically. I'm affected. I'm Absolutely affected. Well, you're not nearly as affected as that poor little town in Kentucky. Yeah, but no let's talk about me for a second. I'm affected I Okay, well we've known that for a while, that you're affected. But what do you mean? Well, I'm not going to get my latest Silk Road order. You're not going to get it anyway. It's got nothing to do with the budget shutdown. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the shutdown of the Silk Road. What are you talking about? Oh, you ordered something again? Yeah! And I went to go check and I got the shutdown notice. Too late. No, I'm hoping the guy sent it.

02:25 Oh, well, you know, the way Opera, we'll talk about that in a minute. I want to talk about a couple of things here about this government. I don't care about your... The shutdown, the Silk Road shutdown is affecting more people than the government shutdown. So I don't know why you prioritize it this way, but okay, I'll hang back and listen. I'm just wondering, this show, my theme today is numbers. I keep hearing numbers that don't make any sense and people keep throwing them out. And here's one, this is just a little side note, but this is the little town in Kentucky story and there's a number in here that kind of baffles me. I don't know, maybe somebody can explain it, it's possible.

03:08 I have to play this. and open. So we really start to see this cascade and I think the important issue is the spillover to the private sector, as Mark said, cab drivers, restaurants. I know of a case in Kentucky where 4,000 IRS agents didn't show up for work and usually people don't worry about the IRS but they certainly do now. The Chamber of Commerce, the president of the Chamber of Commerce in that little town in Kentucky said none of the restaurants, they were all dead

03:48 and all of the retail establishments around there were all dead. And each week that this goes on, we could see, you know, it's starting to shave real growth off of GDP. What little town in Kentucky would have 4,000 IRS agents? Did you do any research? I didn't care to. If it's a little town, by definition, That means, you know what a little town is? You ever been to one? Texas is filled with them. Yeah, like Round Rock is a little town. Yeah. Why would there be 4,000 any one thing of any one thing in a little town? It just makes zero sense. This 4,000 agents seems to be a meme. I'm not quite sure where this is coming from. This is kind of interesting, because as you said, you got numbers on the brain today, which is a first.

04:44 That's a that's kind of me I know we're gonna we'll talk about this a lot I'm sure over the I got a song in my head too. I didn't make the clip I should have put the clip in on Sunday. So what song is it? What's on Nigel? That's on we are making plans for Nigel Nigel do do do Yeah, that's I had I well so I played a song this morning on the pre stream which is Jim diamond And I should have known better to lie to one as beautiful as you I never heard that song in my life Well that but I but it was in my brain there you go. This is the song has been in your brain for a while Now what are you lying to Mickey is that what is this a subconscious thing? No we both heard this that's interesting you say that no I

05:30 Well, that's what the song is about and that's what you just keep cropping up in your brain. Nigel? It's because I was looking for some Nigel Farage clips. No, we were having dinner the other night and the song came on and we're like, oh, it's a beautiful song. I said, oh, I'm going to put it on the pre-stream. So no, I'm not lying to Nikki. Well, no, I'm just suggesting. that the psychological reasons for this song being in your brain might be some guilt. No, it's because we both heard it on the radio, that's why. Okay. Now, I want to say something about the government shutdown, because of course, you know, it looks like, you know, the roads are still open, it looks like, you know, I think I still have electricity,

06:11 But there I noticed that we had a nine o'clock happened. We did a toast At the devorah at the bus kill bunker. Yes, we did it toast is the government shut down the lights stayed on yeah The roads weren't shut down everything was still running But let me say we will speak lightheartedly of this, but we have a lot of people listening to this very show Who are on furlough? So I don't want to sound cavalier. Which may, the way it's been done in the past, may amount to a paid vacation. It may be, but I think it's already hurt us. I'm just looking at the spreadsheet for today, I'm like, okay. Oh, you don't think it's because Google and Yahoo threw 90% of the email in the spam box? Oh, I think it's all related, yeah. We've been getting through 50% this last mailing. I was going to send out a second mailing, I should have.

07:06 after it came in at 12% and then everybody's complaining to me, oh I found it in the, he says it was been going to the promotions box but now it went straight to spam. And the curious thing was when I, so I tested these things. So I tested by signing up for, I created a bogus Yahoo account, signed up, so I went through, this is, the process where you click on sign up for the newsletter, you sign up and then because MailChimp and all these services actually do a very good job of making sure that it's not a spammer and all the rest, they do that pre-work for these companies and they abide by all the laws and everything. When the process of signing up, you sign up, then they send you an email to confirm so you're just not signing people up to porn sites or whatever.

07:55 The confirmation on the Yahoo site The Google one did get through, but the Yahoo site, the confirmation notice- Went to spam. Went to spam, which tells me that Yahoo is either- there's some corruption going on. Now I specifically asked Google if you have to pay to get your email through nowadays, and I sent it right to the press office, which is the process you have to go through. And I haven't yet to hear anything back yet, but I'll ask them again, just to give them a second shot. If this is true because if somebody if you remember we got an email from somebody saying it's all rigged the whole thing's fixed Yeah, and apparently I'm not paying their bribes. I don't know there is there is an absolute bribe system in place And it's called strongmail which is now called strong view and these are the guys that help help you get whitelist as a company, but even they have no control over over the promotions tab, but they do have control over spam and

08:52 And, yeah, it's like, you know, if our livelihood is dependent upon the spam filters of Google and Yahoo, well, let's just cut the show short. Let's go find something else to do. you know seriously yeah no yeah but i so i i looked at the numbers that came in today i'm like you know we got like you know we're really gonna have a very short segment today on donations on both yeah and and and to me it was like well yes i got a lot of email about you know the newsletter which is a reminder for people to listen and all and by the way there's a lot of content in here in your newsletter that

09:28 Maybe that was a waste of my time up here. Yeah, no, that was a huge waste of your time. It reminds people to listen who then are like, oh, shoot, you know, maybe it's time to support them. So it absolutely works. But I think the furlough is also Partly responsible the shutdown people. I I know a lot of people who listen to the show who are now furloughed You know, they're getting IOUs near this DOD police has all kinds of different entities that you don't think about necessarily it certainly seems like all the sysadmins and web admins have been furloughed since every government website has you know, like oh because of the shutdown we can't you know update our website and

10:07 Which is, to me, hurt preparatory actions for the show. I mean, I could not find out if, for instance, if this Silk Road complaint, and I have two of them, one from New York and one from Maryland, if they're true or not. I mean, I don't even, I can't see if they released them on their website because they haven't been updated. There's a lot of things. So I'm not too cavalier about the shutdown. It would be better if there wasn't a shutdown for us. Yeah, in general, I'm just not going to be that cavalier about ha ha ha ha. But I'm going to be cavalier, so you don't have to. Okay, good. So I've got it. Here's another number that got to me after listening to that other clip. This one here is the... This, by the way, was done at KSBW in Salinas, a little station. And this guy's in the digital...

10:53 Digital center, digital operations center this guy's reporting from. Apparently, you know, the fake studio they set up in a green screen room. But listen to this report on government shutdown, government shutdown costs. The game of tug of war as our nation's leaders fight over the national budget has ended once again. In a stalemate, the sun will soon come up on the second day of the first partial government shutdown since 1996. I'm in our digital operations center monitoring the feeds with the latest Washington DC as the tap to fund the government shutdown keeps running up. Now the

11:29 Irony is the dispute over government spending will actually end up costing the US government more money It cost twelve and a half million dollars each hour. The government is shut down It is 300 million each day and 16 billion dollars in just a week And that's just for government contracts. Does this make any sense to you? Yeah. Yeah, I think it makes sense I think by the way 300 millions of dollars a day times seven is What is that? 2.1 billion? How's that come to 16 billion? How do you get to 16 billion from 300 million dollars a day loss? Wait, did he say, uh... Play it again. You can play it. You can do the math yourself.

12:10 This is at 16 billion dollars. How does it cost? Let's say I lay off everybody. This is costing me money. I'm with you. I'm with you. There seems to be a problem in general, not just in the news media, but also in our House of Representatives with math. Let me play for you two quickies here from Louise Slaughter. I believe she is the Democratic representative from Maryland, I think. And she's she's really full of crap, but funnily so. The Washington Post this morning sum up what this fight always has been and continues to be about. Defunding the Affordable Care Act and taking health care away from 300 million Americans who have no insurance. 300 million Americans have no insurance, John. Holy crap!

13:00 But it didn't stop there, it got better. Yesterday was indeed a historic day for our nation and for every American who's ever been denied access to health care. In my home state of New York, there were more than 2 million visits to our online exchange in less than 90 minutes. By later in the day the last number that I have just for yesterday Ten million people had visited the website at the end of the day that is about 12% of the entire population of the state of New York yesterday So ten million people is 12% of the entire state of New York

13:39 Millions do they have most of the country apparently who have no health care According to her this is what we're dealing with. Thank you, by the way a lot of producers I guess the non-essential personnel are the ones who listen to this podcast They had a lot of time to make some great clips for us I got some good stuff people clipping on C-SPAN and sending in mp3s. Thank you. This is very very helpful. I I'm telling you, 50% of the No Agenda audience is non-essential personnel. Welcome! So the point is that these numbers are being thrown around and the public are idiots to listen to this. I mean, the 300 million times 7 being 16 billion is one good example, but it's the question that comes... where I started digging into this was the question

14:30 I have an agency that costs me a hundred million dollars a year to run and if I... That's a small agency. I don't know how many agencies you run. Yeah, well, I'm just throwing some numbers out just as an example of the way the logic is here. A hundred million dollars budget because I got all these people working as though we're hitting all the rest of it. I shut the agency down. turn off the lights. Yeah, where does the hundred million go? Send everybody furloughed. Now it's costing me 200 million? How's it costing me more with all these people, 800,000 potentially? How's it cost me more in the billions of dollars to not be paying people? Yeah, here's what I don't think we should do. We should not participate in this reality show

15:17 This insanity that is the reality show of the shutdown because that's all that it is. And it's funny, Miss Mickey and I were advised to watch a documentary and I think everyone should watch this documentary even though I have issues with it. It's called I Am. You ever heard of this documentary? Yep. Have you seen it? No. So this is the director who directed I think most of the Jim Carrey movies. His name is Tom Shadiac. He did Ace Ventura, Bruce Almighty, you know some really huge hit movies. And he had a horrible accident and soul searching, whatever. He went on this journey to find out about human nature and why we're not like our natural brothers, like the apes or how birds can all do things together. And even though we do apparently mirror all kinds of emotions. Anyway, a little bit fuzzy here and there, but in general,

16:22 You know the idea was right the real takeaway I had from it Which is something which was kind of a scientific bit that I liked and this almost at the beginning of the documentary They did a monitored someone's heart When you're in love or when you have pure happy thoughts, then you have a beautiful sine wave of your your entire heart rate and and everything that's pumping and the whole idea here is that really it's not our brain that is the main mechanism, but our heart is the main mechanism and And when you're angry, that's when it's all distorted and it's got, you know, like choppy, it's all over the place. And when that happens, your heart, in this theory that your heart, you know, is really feeding your brain with information instead of the other way around, your heart can then not send proper or any information to the brain, so you kind of become dumb. And that's why you have blind rage, you know, people who are really angry, they, you know, they do stuff without thinking.

17:20 I'm like this is this has got to be what some of this is if you just look on Twitter or on Facebook People are mad they're getting mad and I think they're being riled up to be mad and when you're mad you become dumb and when you're dumb That's when all kinds of other shit happens that we're supposed to catch here on the no agenda show Well, my favorite catch is that have you heard about this guy Beal? Beal? One of the whistleblowers? So I caught this on C-SPAN 3. There's a hearing going on as we speak, and of course nobody knows it. No, of course not. Why would we do that? So this guy Beale, for the last 13 years has been a high-level executive at the EPA, posing to the EPA administration as a CIA agent.

18:11 Oh wow. So he's dropped like at least a million dollars in just in expenses over these years. Yeah. And so now he was busted because he retired and they had a big retirement party for him. But he decided because he's such a slime ball that he was going to rig the computers and make sure he still got his paycheck. So that's how he got busted actually. It turned out, I said to one of the committee members, he said, would this guy have ever been caught if he hadn't done this one last thing? It would apparently not you wouldn't have so this hearings goes on as one of the funniest hearings I've ever seen but there was a couple of weird things that were brought out into it including the fact that Probably most of the government agencies have CIA people embedded in the agencies and the way that works is kind of explained in this clip right here, which is called They could they typically call it a civilian in the Pentagon is how the agent is always identified. Yes. Here's a clip I'm sorry

19:11 Which one embedded CI I have yeah, I met at CIA. I don't have that one. Yes embedded CIA in agencies Yeah, I love you, man, but I don't have that clip. Why don't it's right under Eloquist? Yeah, I have the Eloquist, but why don't I have the hold on? I'm sorry are you getting these from the food bar account or the other account? Yeah? Well they all come in the same one. It's a It's also just possible that somehow when I'm downloading them something. I don't know. I don't know I got it here Yes, okay, sorry about that. Here we go.

19:57 The head of each agency is given a list of anyone who is a clandestine agent working under their cover. That's my understanding, Mr. Chairman, from an intelligence directive 304. It's on the internet and it pretty much explains that the requirement of the Director of National Intelligence and the CIA to inform executive branch agencies. So Secretary Clinton would know everyone at the State Department and her deputy would know everyone who was CIA implant. The EPA directors, each of them, or administrators, each would have been given this information. So if the administrator had even one person who was embedded, they would know that. We don't need to know if they have one, but if any agency had an embedded CIA person, they would have in fact had a list and he would not have been on it since 2008. That's right. That's my understanding, Mr. Chairman. Well, I share with the gentleman from South Carolina his outrage, but 2008 was a long time ago too.

20:57 I seem to remember George W. Bush was president then. So, he throws that in for no apparent reason, but 2008 is when Lisa Jackson got the job and these memos were apparently showing up on desks with the names of any agents that were in the you know the EPA or any and so this character Beale was working for her and she I couldn't I guess she was so stupid this Lisa Jackson that she's the arrogant woman that's out. The new woman that came in McCarthy's the one who busted this found this out because she was suspicious because what she did was she looked at the list and didn't see his name

21:38 Meanwhile, Jackson's such an idiot she didn't see his name and didn't care apparently or you know who knows maybe took her out to dinner a lot. Whatever the case is this is a growing scandal that is not being covered by anybody although you can look it up. I mean you'll find some obscure reports on it but it's very it's to me it's very humorous and it seemed to me that Issa if nothing else when he threw this question I was Why was he because this was it like yesterday? Why is he talking about Hillary as Secretary of State knowing who the CIA so that he's Going right back to the Benghazi. Yeah. No, of course, that's what he's doing and he's but he's also really trying to make the connection Between the CIA and the State Department which is it is you know, they're side by side. They're intertwined. They're like DNA together. I

22:22 That's what they do. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. My uncle, Uncle Don, he would always say he worked for the State Department, which we always find very funny. Yeah. Of course, he wasn't he was an ambassador. So, you know, that's working for the State Department. But before that, he was also for the State Department as a civilian in the Pentagon. I'm telling you, I know these things. A few things I know for sure. So that's so they do have a little commentary on Gina McCarthy and Beal, if you want to play that direct election. With that we go to the gentleman from Maryland. I understand that Mr. Beals-Floyd was initially uncovered by the EPA current administrator, Gina McCarthy, back when she was assistant administrator of the Office of Air and Radiation. Is that right? Is that correct? Yes, sir. I'm talking to you. I understand that the administrator McCarthy started asking questions about Mr. That's all you got?

23:20 Oh, must have cut it off. Whatever the case, I'll tell you what happened. So he goes on and kind of deconstructs how McCarthy found out about it and then how this fraud would have continued forever because the guy was quitting the agency once she started nosing around. And but this somehow he's decided he thinks he can sneak a check out of there anyway. But this is the kind of thing that must be going on at all levels of government. You know where Lisa Jackson went, don't you? No, where'd she go? The World Bank? No. Hold on a second. No. You'll never guess. If you don't know, you'll never guess. If I don't know, I'll never guess? Yes, correct. She went to Apple.

23:58 That's right. I did know She'll be head of the environmental programs. Yes, a bullcrap job. All right I watched a little bit of C-SPAN because I you know Of course this is what we're trained to do and I was happy to see a lot of producers of the program doing the same and looking elsewhere because that is always what these things are about And we had an interesting session going on with our favorite douche bugger let's clapper the Kaiser was there Lindsey Graham was pontificating and clapper

24:36 Yeah, and this of course is you know there this is all about the the shutdown and how dangerous this is and oh my goodness What are we going to do and clapper is it's unbelievable? We know that you know everyone even the New York Times. I think says openly now clapper lied You know he said no Congress under a Congress under oath which it was come of that by the way I have not been up with what you tell me what happened nothing oh So nothing happened except that Mimi got mad. So Clapper is here and for the next minute and a half he will lie to you again. Sir, if uh... Sorry, but you I would like to answer your question about the impacts of the government shutdown and furloughing our civilians. First, the legal standard against which we make decisions about who is furloughed and who isn't is

25:35 And this is quoting from the law, that which is necessary to protect against imminent threat, imminent threat to life or property. Isn't it imminent? He keeps saying imminent. I don't think that's the correct word. Isn't it imminent? I think it is imminent. What does imminent mean? Let's take a look. Well, you take a look while we listen some more. And so our applying that standard is what resulted across the board in furloughing roughly 70%. I think that will change as this, if this drags on. And we will make adjustments depending on what we see as the

26:12 potential eminent threats to life or property, to quote the law. He keeps saying eminent, I'm telling you. Eminent means a high station rank or repute, like you know you're the eminent statesman. Right, or eminent domain. But it also means, in a secondary way, it also means even though this is not what he means, because eminent to him, he's meaning, you know, happening any minute now. Or a threat that is upon, imminent, is a threat that's upon, in fact here's the definition of imminent, it's ready to take place. Yeah. But you could say that, well I meant eminent because eminent also means as a secondary definition conspicuous. Signal or note. Which is really a stretch. Well, you know. He's using the wrong word. He's like an idiot. Yes. I will tell you as to impacts, I've been in the intelligence business for about 50 years. How old is he?

27:02 He's been in intelligence business for 50 years. Let's get his, let's look at him up. I think we need to pull this guy apart. Yeah. What do you have on age? He must be 70. I mean, you can't, you're not in intelligence services when you're 15. He was born, uh, in 41. And so that makes him 70 older than 70. 41 yeah it makes him 72 so he joined when he was in the 21st another was waiting let me get this he's never done anything else in his life apparently except spy except spy so he's a spy full time from bird he's a spy that's right who knows what he was he was probably peeping out of his mama in the united states marine corps transferred to air force reserve training camps he's commissioned in 63 is a distinguished military graduate from the

27:52 50 that'd be 50 years he commanded signals and tell okay. He that's where he began a single intelligent. Yeah, yeah, okay A quick update from the back channel, please everybody do not keep hitting reconnect if your stream is jittery Just stay calm look at the floor, and it will all go away Let's continue with clapper never seen anything like this. Oh uh... from my view i think this on top of the sequestration cuts that were already taking that this seriously damages uh... our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation's citizens i would commend to you senator feinstein's superb statement yesterday on the floor i think the the words feinstein and superb just can't go in the same sentence it makes zero sense i don't know what he's talking about i think it's a different feinstein with which i completely agree

28:45 This affects our ability, this is not just a beltway issue, this affects our global capability. So we understand what he's saying there. So he's with, so he's on the, in the hot seats there with, with the Kaiser and Lindsey Graham is doing it. Lindsey Graham We're in this position because of people like Lindsey Graham, okay? We really need to get rid of these people. These people have to be voted out for good, really. They have to go. This is all... we get the government we deserve, so you can't be blaming government. It's your fault, my fault, everyone's fault. This is what we deserve. But listen to this guy as he is just talking about... well,

29:25 We'll see. We'll see. Many of them and they're patriots as much as anybody who criticizes the program and all right, did you tell the president of the United States what you just told us? Stop, stop, stop. Stop. Doesn't he sound like that creepy gay guy on the Family Guy show? Not Herbert the pervert, but the other one. The kind of the creepy hit guy. Oh, no, he sounds like the the next-door neighbor guy Well the guy that talks kind of soft. He says a soft. He's the he's no he's not the next door. He's okay I'll have to get his name. He was somebody in the chat room, but honestly, I Don't watch anything. I'm I'm sorry, but that's what he sounds like that guy. All right also the government shut down that our nation is less secure and

30:12 Yes, I did. What did he say? Okay, so he so apparently He told the president that we would be less secure. I discussed it yesterday Well, you just told you scared the hell out of all us least I'm scared. I'm pooping in my pants When you're telling me that 70% of the NSA is unable to go to work, not because they're necessary, but because of the statutes, the way it's worded, both of you made very clear presentations to this committee that the government shutdown in a post-9-11 world is making this nation less safe. Whoa, okay, it's a post-9-11 world. Is that right, General Alexander? That's correct, Senator. Is that right, Mr. Clapper? Yes, sir.

30:56 Well, to Mr. Gibbs, who told the president, his political advisor, former press secretary, he advised the president to just watch the shutdown. Do you think that's a responsible thing for the president to do as commander in chief, to not negotiate or just watch the shutdown? Notice the little no notice the little the little flub there the showdown. I mean the shutdown oops Sorry, man. Yeah, it showed out. It's it was it was it the showdown at okay corral is it was that showdown was that? Isn't that the title of it? The Showdown at O.K. Corral. I don't think it was Showdown, but this is Showdown is what he's talking about. It's funny. Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna... Well, you don't have to. You don't have to. I'll do it for you. You don't have to call the president a jerk. I'll do it for you. I'll do it for you. I'll do it again. I think it's irresponsible for all of us to let it continue, but where the hell is the Commander-in-Chief?

31:48 if you really told him that that our nation is less safe i agree with this i'm i'm with lindsey graham and this is a very funny idea this is this is a very political but this is this is the showdown part beside himself yeah but but you know i'm i'm agreeing with lindsey graham here because yeah you know if the president always tells us his number one priority is keeping the the american citizenry safe So, this is number one priority. Number one. She should give in on anything just to make sure that continues to happen. This reminds me of the Feinstein clip we had last show where she says, oh, this raid of the mall could happen here, which is admitting that we have no protection. Well, now I will cut straight to clip number two here.

32:31 And this is where, now of course, whenever we're talking about security and intelligence, we have to talk about pre-911, post-911. And I have a question, this will be an Ask John question, but it may turn out to be rhetorical if I can't help myself from screaming the answer. Now, about 9-11. General Alexander, if we had the technology and the programs in place today, before 9-11, What would be the likelihood that we have detected that attack? Oh, John, what do you think? Whoa, this is a big question. Senator, in my professional opinion, it will be very high. You agree with that? I do. I do agree. I am here to tell the American people if we had in place today, before 9-11,

33:20 the 19 hijackers who were here in the country, most of them in legal status, talking to people abroad, we would have known what they were up to. We would have known why the guy was just taking flying lessons to take the plane off and didn't care about the part of the flying lessons to land it. Which was kind of odd to me. I want to pay for flying lessons, but I don't care to learn to land the plane. So at the end of the day... Wow, that's really simplifying what happened, isn't it? My question to both of you is simple. Simple. Let's reform this program where it's gotten out of line. Let's be sensitive. Let me ask you a question. I'll just stop it here.

33:56 If that is true, if today we could have thwarted this, you know, they'd be talking to each other. By the way, there's been plenty of hearings, we've heard many of them, we've had many on the show that say this is a bullcrap argument, it's not true. We had most of these programs in place before 9-11 and some other programs in fact. Excuse me, who are you to question 50 years in intelligence? Who are you to question the Kaiser who has a Star Trek Enterprise bridge as an office? Who are you to question that slave? I'm not in a position to question it and I'm sure that he would do anything to keep his budget. Now let me ask you this. Oh, his job. That job never existed before 9-11. Here's the Ask John question. If they indeed, if we had everything we know today, which is the same we would have known six months ago, I presume that the intelligence is kind of for about a year or so is kind of on par. Why were the Sarneff brothers able to make the Boston bombing happen?

34:52 What happened to this great apparatus? I don't understand. The apparatus doesn't work. How come they didn't stop the mall shooting in Kenya since it's all worldwide and most of the things they've stopped have been overseas. They didn't do anything about that. Yeah. They didn't do anything about the guy in Times Square who was stopped by the public. They didn't do anything about it except the one guy they had where we saw this crazy videos of the guy loading up with peroxide remember this about three years ago yeah yeah he was at the beauty supply place apparently cameras hooked up to the NSA it seems unlikely. They haven't stopped anything except the one money laundering guy we've had the clip of the guy doing the briefing where he went through all these 50 supposed terrorist plots there was only none that were worth a powder

35:37 And then we'll wind it up with an interesting... This is just lies. And Lindsey Graham is just part of some system to soak the American public. And of course there was a good article about, which I put in the newsletter, a link to it, of a poor woman who was the privacy person... I didn't get the newsletter, so I don't know what you're talking about. The privacy person at DHS and everybody called her a terrorist and people would come up to her and say, these concerns are yours, when the next 9-11 happens we're going to blame you. It'll be your fault. Where was she working? She was at DHS. Wow. And she also made the comment that there is no such person at NSA even though they claim to have one. Interesting.

36:23 No, they don't care about it. The whole thing is cover your ass and... Compartmentalize ass covering, yes. Do whatever you can to keep your budgets high. Lindsey Graham brings up two concepts here. One I found very exciting and the other I was found curious. Which we live. Are there active efforts by terrorist organizations to penetrate the United States? Now this got me all excited. Because I'm like, if there's going to be any penetrating going on, come on to Austin, brothers. Let's have a parte. Penetrate here. Yes. Absolutely. As we speak. As we speak, John. I'm being penetrated as we speak. Do you believe there are people probably already here

37:09 as part of a fifth column movement. What is a fifth column movement? I don't know, but it doesn't sound good. I've got a fifth column and I'm coming to penetrate you as we speak. There are sleeper... there's sleeper presents. Sleeper presents? Go get them! If you know they're... if we got them, go get them! Go get them! No, they're asleep! They're asleep! Don't wake them up! Go get them! You got all these phones wrecked. Go get them! They're asleep! They're asleep getting ready to penetrate column. There are various entities fair enough and I'll end with this fair enough Hey, what is the fifth column? What's the various entity? And if you know about him go get him go pick him up fifth column all right Oh, it's oh it has an actual book of knowledge entry. Oh, yeah, it used to be It's got a funny definition. Let me read from the definition. Oh

38:06 Fifth column is a group of people who undermine a larger group such as a nation or a besieged city from within The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine enemy within forces gathered in secret can mobilize when coordination with an external attack requires and extend to even to uniform military operations as part of a coordinated campaign That's kind of conflicts with the lone wolf Just a little bit They can be clandestine involving acts of sabotage, disinformation campaigns, or espionage. Oh, it sounds right to me. I think that sounds like the fifth column is headed up by Clapper. The fifth column is sitting right there in Congress. Man, oh man, oh man. This is but the penetration thing that was a man that you know that they're all laughing at that. You know that they're saying it just yeah, it's code.

39:02 No, you're right. They're saying it and probably giggling to themselves. Yeah, like me. Well, I have one. Here's an example of that kind of thing on the TV. This is just a casual report about, again, the shutdown or something. But you got to listen to this. It's called the prick comment. And I just, I know they're giggling in the control room when this guy does his little spiel. ...and the possibility for calamity is all too real. I think there's a very serious likelihood that we'll plunge the country and possibly the world into a financial crisis similar to what we had in 2007, 2008, 2009.

39:43 Of course, we all remember what that was like. Now, it should be said we are still a few weeks away from the U.S. hitting its debt ceiling and Field says it is possible lawmakers will see how Americans react to this shutdown and reverse their course. But if they don't, the shutdown could feel like a prick. Let's hope they see the lights. I'm Sam Brock, that's today's Reality Check. Back to you. Hey man, I'm writing the script for tonight's show. Seriously? I'm gonna put this in. Hey, remember those guys who came in with- And he shouts it. Prick! He shouts it! Wow, yeah, because he's finally... it's like Tourette's, you know, it's better to have a podcast and just say it when you want to, otherwise you're so contained and confined. So I did have a question about this, and I'd like to answer, have that question answered

40:26 Right after I say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak. I thought you were going to have an answer in the form of a question. No, I'm just going to say in the morning to you. Well in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. Of course in the morning to our human resources who have showed up loyally for our chat room despite some Some stream issues. Thank you very much avoid zero sir get mo slave that fixed everything so it's working again You can find that at no agenda stream calm know agenda chat net and of course to our artists Thank you so much Nick the rat back Nick came back with a vengeance with with the the art for five five two

41:07 Really did a great job on the I opt out t-shirt I got inquiries if it was for real and where could someone buy one Which I promptly send it to Eric the shill who ignored my email altogether. He doesn't like you anymore. He hates me He hates me. No agenda art generator calm we always look forward to seeing what you incredible artists have teed up for us right when we're about to To upload the show when it's when we're done recording and we have a short list today on both ends both we have two We have one executive producer and one associate executive producer period and we'll thank them both all right because the league got that I don't think either one sent anything from the newsletter since nobody got the newsletter and

41:52 And the other half are furloughed, so they've got no money. They're saving. People gotta save. You don't know what's gonna happen. Brian Moses Hall in Ann Arbor, Michigan, 333.33, executive producer for show 553. He says in the morning Jun Uchiro and Akira, apparently in Japan at the moment, He is, um, he says in the morning, I close find a check to bring the knighthood crosshairs just a bit closer. I dare to request a playing of the original you slaves Mac and cheese. Could anyone ever get sick of that clip? Heck play it six or seven times back to back.

42:35 You slaves can get used to mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, macaroni and cheese, cheddar melted together, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese. Alright, there you go. Uh, anyway he goes on to say, needless to say you've been hitting it out of the park lately, indeed all summer. Round here I am mouth hitting at a furious pace and call on my fellow A2 listeners to do the same. A squared. Actually. And by the by, what happened to the rain sticks? Oh. Let's wrap this up with a douchebag call out to Tango Hotel Kilo. Feel free to apply the patented JC Dvorak Amateur Radio Mnemonic Obfuscation Filter. And there's your rain stick. Brian Moses Hall. Kitty 8. Total. Inward. Your. Oh boy. Oh brother.

43:36 An old ham, he's got just the one letter. Can I come over to Echo Link 3373? That's where we hang out sometimes. Thank him for being the executive producer, the sole executive producer for our show 553. Anonymous in anonymous California or Canada, can't tell, but he's anonymous, anonymous and more anonymous at $210.12 and he just would like some job karma. Alright, we'll give him to that. Here you go. You've got karma. Yeah, so that's... So we have to kind of make up for lost time on show 554 coming up. Go to Dvorak.org slash NA channel Dvorak.com slash NA. Noagendashow.com hit the donate button. NoagendaNation's got one too. And I'll hit the donate button here. Dvorak.org

44:19 Quick shout out since we have so much time in this particular segment to producer James who registered government slim down calm for us forwarding to know agenda show calm. He says he's heard this as a meme. I don't I haven't heard this as a meme anywhere. Have you? What government sling box? No, yeah Yes government sling you know our say no much our sling box support is kind of fallen by the wayside during yes It's not a very popular device anymore. I don't think well still a good device for people who are on the road a lot Yeah, I don't think I think and if anybody's got a sling box I still need one in Europe and I need one in London a big one of our one of our I forgot which one of our

45:03 You have the one from Mr. Oil, don't you? Yeah, it's Oil, Mr. Oil. It doesn't work. It's an old software and it doesn't send in all the slings. Ah, this guy's got to upgrade his firmware. I gave up on it. No, but they've made it, they've also made it more complicated for you to be sharing your sling box. There's all kinds of, they don't want that. No, they do want it. Talk to your buddy Leo. He has a sponsorship with them. They should be like... No, he does not. Yes, he does. All of Twitch live coverage of Apple events are brought to you by Slingbox. Oh, well that doesn't help me. I still need somebody in London or Paris or Europe or something. I get that the Australian box is still working and it's great.

45:41 And there's a box in Tampa that works and there was a box in Los Angeles that doesn't work anymore and one in New York and one in Canada. I'm just short a couple. I'd like to get with South America. All right, everybody help John out. He clearly needs the help. Bermuda. And we need you to do something else which is go out and propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Shut up. Squirrel. Shut up.

46:19 Alright, so here is the question that I need answered now we have been talking on this very program sometimes known as the best podcast in the universe about the potential for a Meltdown of the economy in October right now. Let me let me just understand I'm gonna ask you some rhetorical questions machine. Maybe rhetorical questions are not real question No, but I'm still gonna ask him The way I understand what is happening with the the quantitative easing and the Federal Reserve is the following the Federal Reserve gives Or lends money to banks for free basically at 0% interest. Well, it's pretty close to that. I mean it may be it, you know What do you call that a basis point? So, you know, maybe a hundredth of a percent whatever small. It's nothing It's just a small prick. Yeah, just a prick. I

47:17 And the so bank will then take that and they will then go and buy US bonds, which will give them a return of 2.3% or whatever. That's kind of the scam, right? Isn't that kind of how it works? Well, I think that's just one element of a bigger picture. But that's a multi-billion dollar system right there, right? Well, it's mostly the Federal Reserve buying the bonds. Yeah, but the Federal Reserve consists of banks. I mean, that's what Goldman Sachs... Yeah, there's... It's the Federal Reserve system. So it's the bank... Okay, thank you. We're buying... We're essentially creating money

47:57 Well here comes the question. To the point of 80 plus billion dollars a month. And the American people pay interest on that, you know, on the 10-year bond 2.3%. It's a very small amount of money. Yeah, well that depends on how big the number of bonds are. I mean 80 billion, what's 2.3% of 80 billion of a trillion dollars? Well it adds up. It adds up. If we continue with the government shutdown and we possibly, you know, we all know how the fake rating agencies work, they'll get pulled in and they give us a ding on the rating.

48:41 There's no evidence of that. I'm asking you, just can I get the question out before you? Well it's a rhetorical question so I'm kibitzing. Okay let's say that it you know we're a month down the road and you know so now the full faith and credit is being questioned etc. Would it not behoove the system, behoove the system, behoove, would it not behoove the system to to have the credit rating affected or the markets in some other way start to raise the yield on these treasury bonds. Which is what happens, right? Isn't it like the less... It could happen, yes. No, it's terrible! No, but that would be great for the banks, wouldn't it? The banks are holding all these bonds. Yeah, no, but they'll be making more interest.

49:31 No, no, no. Is that not how it works? The bond goes down in value. Goes down in value, but the return, the interest... And so whatever return you get... Well, hold on! It's a fulcrum. It's like a teeter-totter. Hold on a sec. But that goes on for a little while, and then everything back to normal, we settle everything, and then they've made a nice little, you know, everyone could make like 10 billion dollars. Easy, easy money. Is that not possible? Is that part of an overall scheme? Look, JP Morgan is about to pay an $11 billion fine. That's at best. Yeah, those guys have got lots of money. Where do they get this money from? I'd like to know myself. What is the wrong business? Did you see that... It's been going around. Did you see the CNBC interview? This was actually phenomenally funny.

50:25 The guy from... I guess the guy from... Is it Slate? I think it's Slate. Or salon, maybe he wrote he wrote an article about Jamie Dimon saying Jamie Dimon, you know shouldn't be the Under under no circumstance should he be the CEO of JP Morgan Chase? You know the guy is horrible and then he went on CNBC with Maria Alex Perrine is his name and he went on he's on salon salon Yeah, he went on CNBC with you know with the tip with Maria Bartiromo. Did you see this thing? I No, no. Oh my god. Well, let's just listen to it. Comment as it goes along. It is unbelievable how these people are... they just pretend like JPMorgan Chase have done nothing wrong.

51:11 Like they've never paid billions of dollars in fines before, there's nothing to see here, there's no corruption going on, because it's the most profitable bank in the universe, therefore it's all great. This was really an unbelievable eye-opener to me. Absolutely, that stock's down over 1% this week. Jamie Dimon looking to end government probes. into its selling of potentially shoddy mortgage securities. He was at the Justice Department yesterday working out the particulars. The guy's literally working out a deal. On a possible $11 billion settlement on both federal and state levels. So why is the firm getting so much heat from regulators?

51:47 Salon journalist Alex Perrine is with us. He says Jamie Dimon is the reason and he's doing more harm than good to JP Morgan. Fortune stuff McDonald could not disagree more. So they've got the the duo box so they got Perrine is there in the studio and then they got the guy from fortune who's a shill. He's on the remote. Here we are talking about this Alex to you first legal problems aside JP Morgan remains one of the best. Legal problems aside John. Did we just not notice that? If not the best performing major bank in the world today. Do you believe the leader of that bank should step down? I think anytime you're looking at the greatest fine in the history of Wall Street regulation, it's really worth asking, should this guy stay in his job? In any other industry, I can't think of another industry, if you managed a restaurant and it got the biggest health department fine in the history of restaurants, no one would be like, yeah but the restaurant's making a lot of money. There's only a little bit of poison in the food.

52:43 Who has the qualifications? I thought this guy was very funny by the way. It's a very funny, it's a false comparison and an ill logic but okay, it's very funny. It worked, it worked. Well he had to do that because these people are shilling so hard for Jamie Dimon. ...JPMorgan in your view. I mean I think the bank might be too big and too complicated and at this point too corrupt for anyone to run but we could just give almost anyone else a shot. and see if they could do better. Too corrupt is a bit hyperbolic perhaps. Duff? Hey, you can't be saying that about JP Morgan. You can't say it is too corrupt. That is hyperbole I tell you. You agree or disagree? Absolutely not. He obviously got attention with this article. He got your attention. It's preposterous. The stock's touching a 10-year high. It's a cash-generating machine. Sure, they've had their regulatory issues, but... John, do you not see the humor in this?

53:38 That's very good. Yeah, they've had their regulatory issues. Yes, they've had some issues, but look at this, a cash generating machine. Cash generating machine. Looking to settle them expeditiously at this point. It gets even funnier. Bartiromo. This guy's got like a stick up his ass or something, the way he talks. Wait until you hear Bartiromo, though. She goes off. It's hilarious. Which is everything you want out of a CEO. It's an absurd suggestion. Duff, maybe we should pose the question, does Jamie Dimon want... Duff? Sorry, the guy's name is Duff. I guess Duff. Yeah, like Duff beer like well Duff McKagan

54:15 Famous. Sorry. That's alright. ...to go. I mean, given everything that's been going on around this company, it seems like he's taking arrows from all sides almost every week at this point. Maybe he doesn't want it anymore. And within a year, he's not even going to be there. Who knows? Oh, poor Jamie. I doubt he's interested in leaving. For one, he probably wouldn't want to leave on a low note like this. But, you know, he's expressed a desire to stick around for quite some time. The only thing that's going to have him leave is the board or shareholders basically showing him the door. And, you know, despite suggestions that he should leave because they're paying a fine.

54:55 you know, no major shareholders are calling for his departure. It's a cash generating machine, of course not, who cares? I mean, you just have to pay, you know, 30% of your net profit is going to fines. It was like the era where AT&T was slamming its customers. I remember this, we had this problem at this house right here. And they would slam and slam and slam and it turned out the money they were making by ripping people off with the long distance charges... It was worth it. The money they had to pay in fines was less than the profits they were making on the scam. Exactly. So as long as that's in play, only an idiot wouldn't take advantage of it. Talk about the financial strength of JP Morgan at this point. I mean, even with all of these losses, the company continues to churn out, you know, tens of billions of dollars in earnings and hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue. How do you criticize that? How can you criticize the blatant corruption and criminal enterprise that is JP Morgan? You can't do that. Well, I think a lot of their earnings and revenue we've seen have come from really shady dealings that they've been... Oh, come on. They haven't.

55:57 Listen shady dealing name three shady dealings. Oh, wow. Do you have a minute? All right, um bribery in China hiring This is where he went off the rails. That was not a good one I mean, come on man, didn't they just pay like it's a billion dollar fine for something just last year. I They've been paying I think seven, eight, maybe nine. This is CNBC, right? Yeah. They bring you on for the sole purpose of making these arguments. He's pre... when you do CNBC, they call you in advance. Yeah. And the producer asks you what they're... they tell you what they're going to ask you and then they get your answers and you actually do the show kind of in advance before they drop you into that box. Yeah, of course. And when you're in the box, you are supposed to perform like a... like a... Well, he's in the studio and he's supposed to do that. I think this is... he wrote this article, this blog post

56:58 And it was, you know, Jamie Dimon has to go. And so they know. So there shouldn't be. It seems to me that the target of this of this discussion was JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon, not this guy in. No, no, no. Set him up. Oh, the target is this guy from Salon. He is. He is to be brought down. This is what's so beautiful about this, because this is not real reporting. This is Maria Bartiromo on giving him crap on the JP Morgan chase prick. Right, um, bribery in China, hiring nepotism. You shouldn't be saying things that you can't prove. Well, the nepotism hiring the children of prominent Chinese officials is not something I just made up. Have they been charged? They haven't been charged, but it's a fact. It's in the news. Everyone knows about it. What's the fact? The fact that they hired the children of prominent party officials and there's a spreadsheet on which it's connected to deals they were trying to do in China.

57:46 Hiring connected people is a moment. I don't like spilling things that are not actual fact on this program because I- I- I will have a problem with that. Anyone can just Google China and JP Morgan and see this. I mean it's not- it was in the New York Times, it's not- Oh, the New York Times! Oh. You know- Oh! New York Times! I'm sorry the New York Times for as little regard as I might have for it is still kind of the paper of record of the United States and she's going like oh well the New York Times believes that rag what is she sounds like she's on one of the Fox shows it's never been a crime to hire

58:24 the children of connected people. I'm not sure it's going to become one, it's just shady. At the point, part of the point Maria makes when she when she cites the performance of the bank, I mean shareholders have no reason to want this guy to leave. Stock is up 18% year to date, he's considered to be one of the most respected CEOs on the street, sometimes in some forms even mentioned as a possible Treasury Secretary somewhere down the line if he so chooses and is so asked I mean why would shareholders want this guy to go? I think that because he's a PR nightmare for the bank if you look outside of the financial Media if you look outside of CNBC like every time JP Morgan has been in the headlines for the last year It's been for terrible news. It's been bad PR for the bank

59:05 And I think maybe there is a bubble you can be in, in which you never hear anything negative about the man. You hear he's the smartest guy on Wall Street. But like out in the rest of the world, it's nothing but bad PR from Diamond and for JP Morgan. Yeah. You guys are lightweight. We would have been so much better on doing this interview. But it goes on. I just thought it was so funny just to hear Maria Bartiromo. Like maybe she's auditioning. Maybe she's getting fired. Well, she does have a shorter career. Ever since Cutie Pie came in and then left, she pushed Bart Aroma aside. Oh, you mean Burn It? Yeah, Burn It. Burn It. Join it, Burn It. So, anyway, I think this is kind of poorly handled.

59:52 I'm not absolutely sure what the point of it was, but I do remember years and years ago when I was actually in New York, so I caught some of the early shows on CNBC while I was there. And there was a guy that came on, this is before Lehman Brothers went broke. He had all the goods on Lehman Brothers saying here's what's gonna happen. He came out with a little book on it About Lehman Brothers is like down the tubes or Terry and we they had the same exact aggressive approach with this guy who was well known to the CNBC crew and they jumped all over him for just saying anything bad about Lehman or that they were in trouble it was a huge and there was just the same thing like they were defending this company that

1:00:32 in turns out was in great trouble which does of course serve their viewership no good and it's nbc has this huge weakness they're kinda boosters for these big banks and some of these other guys even though they they're gone the wrong side of the argument i'd i'm now thinking that after hearing this that there's something really wrong a jp morgan it should be looked into maybe it's Maybe it's gonna fall apart. Yeah, something's up the thing that is not being discussed which I kind of would expect from from a CNBC news program is 11 billion dollars in fines. What did they do? I mean you can't just say oh, yeah, London, Wales No, I mean, you know, I was speeding by 14 miles. I was going 94 in an 80 zone. I got a $248 ticket. I

1:01:16 Alright, I see it go up with the more miles per hour that I'm exceeding that limit and a certain point They just take me off the road take my license away. I'm done. You know adios mofo. What did you do? that and who then works with you on determining that we're going to I mean this has to be organized crime if you're saying okay well you made 35 billion dollars in profit that's your net but you did it with some illegal activity why else are you getting fined you know it's not like you shouldn't you know you're not running your business properly this is that's that's not how America works you know it's not the HSBC fine for all the money laundering

1:01:56 I think it was 300 million or something HSBC money laundering fine and that was like just nothing but straight-up illegal doings that way I was literally laundering drug money drug money through through Mexican banks Mexican banks yes they're Mexican outfits 1.9 billion. Okay, so they got hit with 1.9 billion for one of the most onerous crimes supporting the drug industry and these guys were 11. So what you're saying is why? Yeah, what did they really do that we don't know about because it's like an awfully big fine considering that HSBC, you know, is 1.9 billion. These fines by the way are just outrageous. Well, but you have to think.

1:02:49 So it's the number seems to be of course it's 33 obviously about a third about 33 percent of whatever you make illegally you have to kick back to the government. Yeah but I'm not quite sure and by the way where does that go? Does that go into the treasury? Does that go? Yeah I think it does I think it goes to the general funds. Does it go into Obama's stash? Maybe but I think it goes it's supposed to go into the general funds I believe. But you know that but of course it's a spit in the bucket you know but But it has to be that they're really doing something highly illegal. And it's got to be more illegal than this money drug laundering. I'm telling you, the Silk Road shutdown, this is... It's funny, let me tell you something. I got a note. I got a message through back channels. Remember our friends in Zouk?

1:03:37 Yeah, zoog zoog everybody They love it when I yeah when I when I yeah, that's probably sound like no that no that they they they were astounded They thought it was a recording of them So I got a message from the Zook guys that there was going to be a huge... now the message I got was a little different and it was it was the day before yesterday. The message was there's going to be a currency manipulation scam They were saying it was Iraqi dinars now the Iraqi dinar scam You know this has been going on for a long time, and it's not an official currency You know it's like it was an official currency But it's not really a forex currency that people trade in so I'm looking into I'm like now this this Why would these guys set me up on? an Iraqi dinar scam like I'm supposed to go out and buy some Iraqi dinars because it's or wait for it to drop and then buy because it's good and gonna go up and then the next day

1:04:41 We see because of the Silk Road shutdown, we see the Bitcoin price go from $140 to $109 and then within an hour it's back at $130. Nice nice rebound and today it is still hovering around 130 hundred the high so far was 132 so a lot of money was made on this and it's not like everyone just went oh We can't buy drugs no more Bitcoin, so I'm thinking they were giving me code I misunderstood the code and it was and that there was a why would they be giving you code because they like how I imitate their voice and

1:05:21 They can't just say, you know, this is a pretty serious thing that happened. If it's true, I can't verify. Well let's talk about this now because I think people are interested in our analysis of the Silk Road situation. Yes, I agree. And so what do you have? I mean, I have a number of things. I have a number of things, but my things are all superficial. You'll have the number of things that are probably more interesting. Well, yeah, I went down... Well, let's see if it's true, would I assert. I went down multiple roads. Alright, well let me come up with a couple of superficial things first. First of all, I'm not sure that this is the same guy that was running it. That started it off, no. We know there's no evidence of that. And if you look at the indictment, at least the New York one. This indictment, I felt... It is a crock of crap. It looked to me like an advertisement for online drug buying. And it's looked to me, well, which reminds me, I've got a great advertisement. Yeah, well, we'll remember, but here's why.

1:06:21 When when you say first of all it is it completely explains how you do it how it works So it's like okay in case you ever want to buy drugs illegally online You can go to black market reloaded is a ton of drug sites Just like Silk Road that are around and that have now you know now garnered strength amazingly It tells you how to do it. It tells you how it works. It tells you how you stay anonymous. In fact, it tells you the thing is completely secure as long as you're not having fake IDs sent over to rent servers that you log in as douchebag.org or actually frosty at frosty.com. Frosty.com. Well, frosty.com is a Wendy's domain name. So that's kind of bull crap right there. But OK. Yeah, no, that's a good example. Yeah. But it literally says

1:07:08 that the quality of the drugs was extremely high. Great drugs, great product. I felt that if anything, This was a great way, I don't know if they even arrested anybody. We'd have no way of knowing. There's no one coming out. The game's supposed to be over in San Francisco. Yeah, but where's the perp walk? Where's the press release? We haven't seen him arrested. Come on! I mean, this is huge. This is a billion dollars, they're saying, and no one's coming out and claiming victory? Are you kidding me? Here's another thing. The guy, the Silk Road guy,

1:07:46 supposedly made 80 million dollars in commissions. He was essentially a middleman. Living in his buddy's apartment. Yeah, and he's living in some shithole in San Francisco with two roommates. Like, yeah, okay, let me tell you. I don't care how clandestine you want to be. If I have 80 million dollars in commissions from my little Silk Road project, dude. So just to make it a little weirder, And I agree with you. I thought the complaint, which was basically a request for an arrest warrant... And by the way, I would also... I find it to be very strange the way it was written. I thought it was poorly written. It uses the special FBI agent... The Elliot Ness of narcotics. Well, he's the same guy that nabbed Sabu of Anonymous.

1:08:45 Christopher Tarbell. So I thought that to me that was more a red flag than anything. Yeah. I'm like, oh really? It's that guy again? This is all they got? They only have one guy who can do this? Um, so this and then there's a second uh complaint that was filed in merrily by the way just go back to the first and they prefer to go to the second i i want to mention that the real at the only evidence they have it's the same guy is because he was on some forum with his real name asking for some some code that he can run the php server to fix a bug that apparently was at the silk road on the silk road servers

1:09:26 And they took the code that they used to... This is bullcrap by the way, but this is what they say. They found the code on the Silk Road service that was similar, but not the same as the code he was given in this forum to fix a bug problem. But that doesn't mean he wasn't like a contractor. I mean, this is the evidence that he's the guy? Yeah, so, well, so this was only used apparently... He's doing his own code anyway. I know. So here's stuff that I didn't like. Count one of the original Complaints is this in the Maryland complaint? No. No, I'm gonna do the Maryland. This is count one of the New York one Okay narcotics trafficking conspiracy and under the conspiracy. There's four points. I

1:10:12 And then the fifth point, the sixth point is under overt acts, under the first count is where he tried to have someone execute another Silk Road user under murder for hire. Why is that under, I'm not a lawyer, but why is that under narcotics trafficking conspiracy? And by the way, computer hacking conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy, so conspiring is one thing, to do something is another. So I'm not sure about any of this. The other thing that's weird is that this assassination supposedly

1:10:51 which was a I guess they wiretapped some conversation or they got some of his messages they could never prove that anyone was even killed well they mention that in here if you deeper into it. I saw it because they check with the Canadian authorities However, the Bitcoin chain of the payment equaling this $150,000, that of course everyone immediately all over the web is, oh look, you can see here's the money, it was transferred, you don't know really where it's going. But you can follow the chain as to this exact amount which was sent on that exact day.

1:11:27 It feels to me like this was very carefully constructed to have this part of the story make sense, even though we can't find a body. In the Maryland complaint, this is what's interesting. You know, in the one you read, he refers to having someone killed before for $80,000? Right? Well, there was a range of prices, but yes. Well, he says, why does it have to be between $150,000 and $300,000? I've had it done before for $80,000. Right, right, right. So that $80,000 in the Maryland complaint on or about January 26, 2013, Ross William Olbrecht, aka Dread Pirate Roberts, aka DPR, communicated with the undercover agent via the internet, told the EUC

1:12:14 that the employee had been arrested by law enforcement, employee had stolen funds from other Silk Road users. Asked the undercover agent to arrange for the employee to be beaten and forced to return the money, stating specifically, I'd like him beat up, then forced to send the bitcoins he stole back, and then later, he says, I'd like to change the order to execute, rather torture. And this is where that $80,000 came from. Apparently, according to this, He was, you know, and they staged with photos, they staged that this employee got beat up and was killed, but the cops were luring him into doing this. Another one of those deals. Yeah, but it seems like do we have two separate agencies, two separate people working on this? You know, no one has really released this, I mean, no one's talking about the Maryland complaint.

1:13:09 Everyone's talking about the New York one And then of course we get everyone jumping up and down about how incredibly secure Tor is and how great it works It's yeah, I noticed that too. It seemed to be overdone Now here's so here's where I found something I believe of interesting value so The the Tor blog and of course, this is our buddy What's his name Applebaum This is the, you know, he speaks on behalf of Julian Assange and Laura Poitras. So he writes this huge blog post about, you know, if you read the complaint you can see that, you know, yes he did some some careless stuff happen but that had nothing to do with the security of Tor, the Onion, everything works fantastic, everything's great. EFF comes out, says something very similar. I've always been suspicious of EFF. And I'm like, you know, and then I see in this blog post that Tor

1:14:05 is a 5013c non-profit corporation. Did you know that? Uh-oh. Uh-huh, yeah. You got me on that one. And this is where Adam gets a hard on. So I pull the 990. And this is always fun because you want to look at, you know, the address. Oh, by the way, they brought in 1.3 million dollars in 2011. 2012 has not been filed yet. They have a couple more weeks to do that. Not bad, 1.3 million dollars for the Tor project. Of course you always have to consider where that money is coming from.

1:14:45 They have a statement to develop improve distribute free publicly available tools and programs that promote free speech free expression civic engagement and privacy rights online Okay, it makes sense Now let's find out a little bit about where their money is going. They have by the way, this Applebaum is not on the He's not an employee So we have Roger Dingledine, which that's an alias I've ever heard one. But okay, Roger Dingledine, he's making 126 grand. Nick Mathewson, he makes 126 grand. Andrew Luman, he makes $140,000. And then they have this interesting entry, you know, if you give more than $100,000 of compensation to any external organization, you have to report that. And they,

1:15:37 spent $127,500 on formless networking LLC 3080 Raymond Street San Francisco. So I'm looking around and it turns out that formless LLC was target of an anonymous hit a couple years ago and that anonymous was outing this this same organization as The company that was helping to create servers for pedophiles and for pedobear networks. Right. I remember this when this went down. So for some reason Formless LLC received $127,500. Wouldn't it make more sense that Formless would be giving them money?

1:16:25 not the other way around? That doesn't make any sense. Well, let's take a look at where their money comes from. This is kind of cool. Now remember, this is for free speech and to protect your speech and whenever... I've just learned. Well, we've both taken this approach. If it says it's something pro, it's against. It's something... Let's stop Contract income from SRI which is some form of Institute Stanford Research Institute that went private. Yes a think-tank. Yes half a million dollars from them SID a contract income. I believe this is a Swedish think-tank 279

1:17:09 The National Science Foundation 143 and then something called the inter news network Inter news network Wow John have you ever heard of the inter news network? No, oh, please point your browser to Yeah, this is gonna be a good one It's really bad inter news org yeah go to inter news org while I bring up their form 990 this one's a little longer Local voices, global change, global issues, where we work, our stories. Yeah, why don't you go to our stories. Yeah, go to our stories slash in the news. Our stories. So you get our dash. All right. Right. I'm looking. And what do we see? All kinds of logos here from people who are helping USAID right at the top of the list. Yes, that will be correct. IJ net geo journalism handbook.

1:18:08 Global Voices Worldwide World Wildlife Federation Voices Iren yeah How much money do you think this this little nonprofit this inter news? Let's see. Let's just see let's just see what their guys basically produce propaganda for various organizations Yes, that would be correct and so they give money to the tour project why why Okay, so let me just read from this here. I've circled their... so Internews Network, they work in Asia, Africa, Europe, and Eurasia. I'll just give you Europe just an example. This is from their Form 990. This is what they tell the government that they do.

1:19:03 We provide technical support to independent TV, radio, print and online media sources in the region. Video press releases. Train career and citizen journalists in professional ethical journalism and assist traditional media outlets to create interactive multimedia online presences. We work with local media NGOs and associations to create active networks of media professionals, enabling them to speak out with one voice against censorship and repressive policies. We provide legal assistance to journalists and bloggers in trouble and advocate for free and open internet policies. Our work in the region creates opportunities for dialogue across borders, bringing colleagues from polarized societies together in collaborative exchanges. This is for Europe.

1:19:51 And you know how much money they brought in in 2011, John, to help journalists and bloggers and non-governmental organizations across the world? I would assume be over 10 million. 56 million dollars. Are you fucking kidding me? This is the propaganda arm. This is where it comes from. And it comes in from USAID and all these other bullcrap government organizations. David Hoffman, by the way, the CEO, makes $350,000. It's a bonanza. Their assets at the end of 2011 was over $100 million. Do they lobby? Oh yeah, they spend a couple million dollars on lobbying. Why would a news organization be doing that? Because it's propaganda.

1:20:46 And the TOR network is a part of it. And if they're not, then they should refuse money from this organization. This organization stands for everything the TOR network should not be, unless it's compromised in some way and it's just one big joke. Well, I tend to kind of be along those lines of thinking, yes. I'm just looking at some of the money they spent. So for media assistance to Russia and the newly independent states in 2011, Eleven million dollars. Yeah, to F Putin. You think that this true? This is this these are the techno experts John. This is this this is Hillary's techno expert program right here. That's one of them. We're gonna teach you how to blog and blog about your horrible leader. America good, Putin bad.

1:21:43 Anyway, you can find all of these form 990s under Silk Road in the show notes 5 5 3 dot any show notes calm So, you know, there's a couple things going on number one Silk Road, I think is definitely gone. I have to say I found the logo that they that they the so-called law enforcement agencies who Have seized this hidden site that they nice of them to put a little Silk Road logo in the background I thought that was a nice touch. I had no idea they had time to Photoshop that stuff, but okay I found that to be strange. Yeah Yes If anything if if we don't see a perp if we don't see some guy getting strung up We don't see people claiming big victory over this 1.2 billion dollars. I'm gonna say it was one a great manipulation scheme of of Bitcoin

1:22:32 And someone made a lot of good money on that. I will also say that it's probably going to be black market reloaded, although I don't think that's a great name. There's going to be a Silk Road 2 that will take off in the same manner. People will feel confident. They'll feel, oh, you know, it's this Tor stuff. It totally works. And I think the government will actually be running that one. I thought the government was running this one because it was just too easy. It was working too well. It may have been. Yeah. Well, no, I still could be. It still could be, but I think that this is a great marketing exercise. Like, let's bust this. No, I could make the argument that the government was running it, it was a honeypot, and the reason that, because you actually yourself said that the indictment was really more of a promotion for how to use these systems to encourage more people to try them.

1:23:20 so it would make sense because the only reason the way you're gonna get this this marketing information this this collateral information out is by having busting them yeah and having this document which is poorly written I feel you know since when users guide yes well hold on and since when does an FBI special special officer special agent instead use the word fake Fake IDs, fake this, fake that. No, no, there are other words you use in these types of reports. Counterfeit. Counterfeit, illegal, illicit. But you know, it's fake. It was a fake ID. That to me was not FBI language. And for it to be the same guy who brought down anonymous, yeah, very funny. So we'll see. And it would be funny if my order still showed up. That would be cool. Otherwise, I'm out 0.8 Bitcoin. Damn.

1:24:23 Oh well. Well they had a really, I picked up a couple different reports that were in the news. They had a really long, in fact I didn't even clip any of it because it was so long. It was on PBS News Hour and they, it was done apparently some woman, some woman from ITV or some other organization had done some report and it was, I would like to, I'm going to send it to you eventually. So you can listen to the horrible cuts that were the long click, you know, every time there was a edit. There was all these edits. Everything was edited and you just hear click. It was, they didn't even bother to pop. Yeah, it was terrible. It was the worst edited piece I'd ever heard anywhere. As we speak, by the way, just us talking about it, Bitcoin up to 130.6. God, we're good. Skyrocketing. We're good, John.

1:25:16 So, I mean... Okay, so you weren't buying this either. I mean, it's just too much missing. It was way too much missing and the thing about the guy living in an apartment with two roommates, Josh was like a little much. Meanwhile... I mean, there's a million ways, if you're like someone, I mean, you'd live at one of the apartments at the Ritz-Carlton, maybe of course he... The whole thing was bad. Yeah. Bad, bad, bad. But we'll see. It will slowly emerge. Oh, here, I've got the report here. It's a Silk Road and bad editing clip. Maybe some of this is on there. You can just listen carefully to this report and tell me what you think. Television news investigated the world of online drug sales recently. We begin with this account from correspondent Cordelia Lynch. We decided to see just how easy it is to buy drugs on a site called Silk Road.

1:26:16 Well on here I can see everything from heroin, crack, ecstasy pills. The heroin here goes from 225 US dollars up to 5,000. You can even rate people. This is a system based on trust. Here the seller says, two grams of the best Afghan brown heroin. Satisfaction guaranteed it promises. We bought three and a half grams of MDMA, a key ingredient in ecstasy, and one gram of opium. Well the envelopes have arrived. It took just three days. And now we're going to find out what's inside. We're at a government licensed laboratory and they're going to test the contents for us.

1:27:06 John Ramsey is a toxicologist who spent nearly three decades analyzing drugs for the police. So we've got an almost perfect match for crystal MDMA. Next he tested the opium we ordered. So we've got one small package which could be opium. It too tested positive. Are you surprised that these things are so readily available on the internet? Yes I am. We know there's a ready market in legal highs but these are illegal compounds and I am surprised that it's relatively straightforward to buy them across. This is a giant promotion. You're right. It's an ad. It's like it works. It's an ad. It's an infomercial. And the funny thing is

1:27:52 that the Bitcoin on the Silk Road becomes its own entity. And what I mean by that is, I think, at least I noticed this, that you are no longer thinking about what is that really worth. It's just, oh, it's like, that's 0.8 Bitcoin. That's a good deal. Without even thinking, of course, I never actually spent any money on my Bitcoins. You know, they were kind of given to me. when they were worth nothing. It's like the economy of that marketplace really worked. It really, really worked. And by the way, I think what a great system. We don't have people going out to buy drugs on the street. It's delivered to your home. Bypass the black man. Starve him out.

1:28:47 They're not all black. What is that? That's bad. That's bad. That's no good. Is that what he really? No wonder he hates me. Well let's take another look at this as a promotional tool because this is what it seems like. They were just saying this is great quality. The question that comes to mind as I watch any of these is where are the sniffer dogs? Now I don't care what anybody says, if you put marijuana in anything, they're just a residual aroma. The dogs can find that, of course they can. The dogs can find it in a heartbeat, I don't care what you do. That's because those dogs have got sensory organs that are outstanding and they're keyed into some of these drugs. How do these things arrive in the mail? You got a shipment, I don't know what you put in it, but whatever it was.

1:29:42 It could have been caught by a dog it seems to me. And meanwhile, drugs flying around with all these dogs that can smell them, smell this stuff going right through the post office service, you know, although if it was something like, you know, one of these toxins that, you know, they had a big stink over, they could catch those things. Rice and they can find rice and beans. Yeah, I can't find marijuana, right? Right, and they also managed to stop this bogus stoppage of this guy The guy in San Francisco with his fake IDs using the word fake Oh, you know apparently all came in one big bundle with a bunch of different passports and other things they stopped that yeah And conveniently they opened it up just like routine routine routine routine Yeah, it was what I said a routine check

1:30:31 And so they catch that, which seems unlikely. But also how this story broke. This was another flag for me. We first got this document from some guy at UC Berkeley who's like some computer analyst or security analyst and he somehow got the document. See, this is why the government shutdown is an issue because there's nothing as updated on any government websites past September 30th. Which is conveniently timed so we don't really we don't really know the office authenticity of this other than it looks like a type Yeah, other than that they look like documents that have been typed up and or printed out and then scanned yeah Yeah, I think you're authentic, but you're right. I'd hi. You know I couldn't find the assistant district attorney anywhere in New York the name and

1:31:25 couldn't find that. You know it's easy to put MAS on there because everyone knows MAS but you know this where is they do press releases for everything they're always out in front of the cameras there's always something to boast about now they're not a 1.2 billion dollar marketplace of illegal drugs and and firearms which is not true there were no firearms on silk road not that I could find at least and uh and an 80 million dollar take and a guy in an apartment. What? What? We had Bloomberg in New York, and this was a New York indictment or a New York warrant. Bloomberg in New York, he had the biggest hall of guns ever. He had like, you know, 50 guns on a table. Press conference. Remember that one where he had all the guns pointed towards the press, which was kind of funny?

1:32:16 They had it on the table with all with the with the firing end pointed towards the audience. There was like 50 guns, you know, and that's all here comes look at these guns we got I mean, so let's just say it was it was compromised a long time ago. probably the time when it went offline for two weeks. They brought it back online, made it better, and you know, everyone's in place, they're running everything, they got it all good to go. Maybe they have to bring in a few agents to make them think like, you know, they're actually doing something good and they're on board with something. Meanwhile, it's being run by the guys who actually run the drugs in America, which is the CIA. You know, it's just another outlet. The only annoying thing is they can't get the banks involved, so they have to grab this Bitcoin thing

1:33:00 They got to start shuttling that through Jamie Dimon, and we got every had got everyone on the on board with this thing This is a great way. You know to the suit. We'll have the post office will soon be out of business They'll shut that down under bogus circumstances, and then we'll make more money by shipping it through FedEx This is gonna be great. This could save our economy by the way So I'm not against it Well, you're not against whether or not it saves the economy. Let's be honest. I think I love seeing how this works. Oh, and by the way, little side note, you also get to think that you're completely secure with your tour and all your other stuff. Joke's on you, my friend. That's right. That's right. They'll be knocking on your door pretty soon. Although with one million customers, which is the number that came out in this thing,

1:33:53 at least 1 million people registered. And of course they patted the back of that off. Another thing, I'm sorry to interrupt, another thing. When you see Reuters and you see AP and every single news agency writing things like, official said colon, parentheses or quotes, here comes the quote, there were 995,000 accounts, which is literally taken from this document, They did not speak to anybody. I did not find a single news source who spoke to someone. The only thing I could find is they tried to reach the public defender who might be defending this guy and got no response. So they're taking quotes out of this document and pretending like the government said that.

1:34:45 Instead of saying as was written in the complaint. Yes, that's actually wrong and I saw Reuters do this yeah, I know if you're taken from the indictment You have to that's what you reference. You don't say public officials anything It was an indictment that was that was written it wasn't even said let nobody nobody read this out loud And then somebody wrote it down it so it was never said let's take a look at Reuters I happen to have it here Before we shut down, let me see if I can find this. Okay, so they do say this Silk Road has emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the internet today, FBI agent Christopher Tarbell said in the criminal complaint. So that's proper. Okay, that's fine. That's proper. But then they go on to say a half pound of hydroponic bud was running about 17.2 bitcoins.

1:35:46 The website included 13,000 listings for controlled substances as of September 23rd and then here quote quality is superb best stuff I've seen in a while one user reported yeah, but that's in the document. You know I'm saying it's like be careful. I think they I don't think they did that properly. Yeah well nothing's done properly anymore. Let's just not like we're stunned by any of this. Anyway, so I got a couple we'll keep we'll keep we'll keep on this and we'll see what happens with this this kid But meanwhile Josh that led me to frosty Frost that led me to you know to the tour network and their funding of 1.3 million dollars. I mean and where it's coming from from this inter news network, which is clearly the propaganda arm of

1:36:40 And maybe they're all on the up-and-up, you know, maybe they really they really wanted maybe they need it for their blogger spy So they don't get busted but this is probably this is a propagandistic outfit and you don't just get 56 million dollars in a year just because you're doing the Lord's work of helping bloggers bullshit, please, please Helping bloggers in Europe. Hey, here's a million dollars. Oh We need the freedom of speech in Europe. Well, it's true. That is actually true, but that's not how they're positioning this. Where we work. They're all over the world helping bloggers in sub-Saharan Africa. They have a whole speakers bureau. Yeah, I see that. We should be on that, man. With guys like Manisha Arol, director of the Global Human Rights Program. Oh yeah. And Andrea Bosch, vice president for Asia and Environment Languages. What?

1:37:39 Oh no, it's the languages she speaks. Apparently no languages. The first guy speaks, or woman I guess, speaks English in Nepali and Andrea Bosch apparently speaks no languages. I definitely would not hire her. I'm sorry. Jeanine Burgotte, the president and CEO, speaks English and Russian. So she runs the place. I never heard any of these people by the way. Interesting group. All right, well maybe we'll hear from our various economic hitmen to tell us what they know about it, if they know anything. I got an interesting little economic hitman, well actually boots on the ground from Nairobi. Yeah, how's it going down there? I got my guy there, yeah. I can read this verbatim. Word here from investigators is that the Westgate Mall attackers left the building very quickly

1:38:39 via some sort of service tunnel that was unknown to the police and the army. Now this of course has been in the news certainly in the UK, but what we're now finding out is that, I'll continue to read, apparently they had set up some sort of timed weapons and explosions to make the army think they were still there. So the army comes in with their rocket grenade launchers and everything else, wrecks the place, probably kills half the people. Yes. This of course is a well... this is not your typical Al-Shabaab thing. There's intent in this and I'm always going to be looking at just making it scary. They don't have a dead body of one of these so-called terrorists. They don't have that. You know this, right? They don't have a single... Yeah, that's probably because they never didn't shoot any of them. Yeah. And by the way, I see all these pictures in the mall. I see very little blood for all these dead people.

1:39:42 I saw a series of pictures in a European publication with lots of blood. Oh yeah? Okay. So I think that's... Inside or outside? Inside. Alright. Well, I still think that if anything, if anything, there were some fake photos. I think the Daily Mail published it. It could be a mistake, but... They published a photo of like a terrorist and you know people on right and there was the same person shot it You know it was actually a picture of a bank heist in the u.s.. From like 97 or something yeah, this is This is the problem the news media is just terrible. Yeah, they can't seem to manage their own jobs Meanwhile we you know we've got guys in Kenya telling us exactly what's going on. Oh, you know what I?

1:40:28 Could I please get a million dollars from inter news? Yeah, you're not gonna get a nickel from inter news. I can tell you right now Yeah, well, that's so I kind of par for the course John I'm gonna show my salute by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun And I think we can actually read some of the notes today since so little, the list is so short, you know, we can just read some notes. Yeah, I got a couple notes to read. You can read the notes as I go along the side to the left and then you can look on the right. Oh, that's a good idea. Kendall Powers in Sparta, New Jersey, for example, has $150 and said, I've been wanting to donate more than $4 a week and after working 105 hours a week for the last month, I can. I know I'm no knight, but can I please get a douche bag for Chris Christie? Yes. Douche bag!

1:41:27 And some not losing my job karma after some not losing my job karma after a recent DUI with mandatory seven month loss of license. I need my license for my job. The state doesn't care. New Jersey offers no provisional license, so this may be my last donation for a while. Uh-oh. Needs a little, uh, karma. Job karma. Yeah, absolutely. You've got karma. Russell Ram in Spearfish, South Dakota, which is a great name for a town. Came in with $111.11. Great name for a town. I'd like these town names. My favorite town name of all time, which I've actually driven through, is Gnawbone, Indiana. Isaac Chase, $100 from Colorado Springs. He's got a juicy porn story.

1:42:20 Your show is too good for me to continue to stiff you guys. Thanks to you guys I no longer believe I am crazy and I can confidently go off my pharmaceutical meds and stick to just hookers and blow. I'd like a de-douching and a douchebag call out for my brother Josh. Who hit me in the mouth a couple of months ago and is still not donated. Oh no, let me de-douche him for a second. You've been de-douched. That's no good. And he goes on with some other stuff that's kind of interesting, and we read it. Sir Brian Barrow in my favorite town of all time, Wooten Basset, and he came in with an interesting amount of money that deserves a jingle. Oh no! 69! 69, dude! Okay, well, yeah.

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1:44:02 I can't remember, but he's in this town, Port-U-Enemy. I gotta keep looking that up. It's Hoon- it's- look it up. Hanami. Is it Hanami? It's not Hanami, it's Hoon-a-me. Hoon-a-me. Michael Landon, Sir Michael, I believe, in Burbank, California. Chad Chenot in Hearst, Texas. And finally David Beers in Altoona, Iowa. And these are all our sack of sixes. That's sixes. And we have one, two, three, four $50 donors and that's all we got. Aiden Clark in Queensland, Dicaro Baron in Malmo, Sweden. Great. We need some reports from you by the way. Yes. Greg Brunsell in Kenosha, Wisconsin and Michael Mendel in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. I do have a handwritten note because he sent in a check.

1:44:56 And let's see if there's anything on here. Check, check, where are you? Note! No, it fell to the ground. So if you send in a check, I'll read these notes. No one can hold out forever. Years of relentless hounding finally paid off. Here's my first check. Hopefully not my last. I've loved your show from way back near the beginning. Wish I could listen to the beginning to the end twice a week, but I'm too busy wasting time. Thanks for putting in all the work. Although I believe you are too dangerous to too many entrenched institutions to become popular in the mainstream. You will develop an ever loyal following of enlightened listeners. Someday somebody big and well known is going to refer to your prescience in the national media and all hell will break loose. Thank you. Until that day I remain your faithful serf. That's a nice letter. I love that. Thank you. Yeah, I thought so. Yeah. And that's it. He's right. Most counts. And that's all we got. Yes. Thank you. OK. Well, thank you. Yahoo. Thank you, government. Thank you, furlough.

1:46:01 I think it's a combination. That could be. I'm sure we lost some money because of the furloughs. I mean, you're at the time you get kicked out of your job. You don't know if you're going to get the back pay or not. That's the problem. And which means you will, by the way. But when they get the back pay, it'll be like a paid vacation. We should get a nice donation from them if it happens. It's happened all the time in the past. Every time this is not a new thing. No, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. But kind of going back to my original Quite you know what they're gonna. Do I know what they're gonna. Do now they're gonna give them their back paper They're gonna make the post office pay for it People out there, that's hilarious. Yeah, but if you listen to to other Alternative media sources you will hear a lot of this is by design They're gonna bring it down bring down the whole economy. I'm gonna kill us is there any anything to that do you think no of course not No, no, there's nothing to it

1:47:04 This is just a big bunch of political bullcrap. These guys are playing, you know, playing some, we don't even know what's behind it all. I think a lot of it still has to do, there was a front line that was about this particular episode where the last time came around for the debt ceiling argument, Boehner and, and this was on front line and they had the whole thing documented, it's gorgeous. Front line, Boehner and Obama made a deal. Obama They were going to agree to something and Obama said you just have to get your guys to get on board and I'm in on this and he handshaked the whole thing. Boehner went through a lot of trouble to get everybody to vote his way so they could finish this deal off and then Obama reneged on it at the very last minute. Says, nah, screw you, we don't care. And Boehner just thought that was the worst possible thing that could ever happen. It was a humiliation because he went through all this trouble for Obama and he got stiffed and Boehner is behind most of this that you're seeing happen here because this is the payback to just make Obama sweat. Alright, I'm sorry I asked.

1:48:06 Because now I just I don't care no I know you don't care, but I told people there's people listening that do care. You got that old front There's some kind of fiber cut somewhere so the stream is a route. It's been almost all the fiber Oh, yes, where the stream? I'm trying to send the stram be were being routed through Europe. That's why you're not serving to me No, I'm listening. I'm just not I just choose not to pay attention. I Hey, we got it. Well, I got something to wake you up. No, there's a couple things we typically do. I know the donation segment was short, but first we always tell people help us support this show. We're doing the work you need to support us. Dvorak.org slash and then of course we have birthday one birthday.

1:48:51 Actually, I was wrong. Matthew Stevens says happy birthday to his kids, Gabriel and Ariel. So that's actually two in one. But that's all. Happy birthday from your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe. And no nightings, of course, but Sir Alan Bean does get his baronet today as his second knighthood is in the bag. And we congratulate him on that. Please support us, people. This has been a very this is a troubling troubling for us. Yeah, Alan Bean is like, there's a number of people that do this. They have it, they send checks in, there's many who do it through the banking system. Right. And he sends in $50 a month. Yeah, and he's up to his second knighthood. He's been doing it for a long time. He said when he started his little program of sending $50 a month, which are handwritten checks, he doesn't go through a bank, he doesn't, he said

1:49:44 As long as the show's good, you're getting the $50. And so, uh, we've been getting the $50 ever since. Just do a baronet so far. He'll probably get to Duke if he keeps this up. Oh yeah, no, he'll definitely get there. Definitely. I was going to, I was gonna, you know, um... Hold on a second. Stop typing in the chat. I'm trying to copy that IP address. That's funny. I'm trying to help with the stream. Yeah, they want me to try and get on some other thing. Hold on one second. So I got an email from Marley Micello, babe.

1:50:23 Yeah, at least garling. Yeah, at least it was a really long really beautiful email and she was you know about her mom and stuff You know we'd communicate a little bit and her whole family They know they're all family that have been their brothers and her buddies and her boyfriends and God now everyone's been is a supporter of the show It was really beautiful. But there's one one little paragraph in the email that just thought I had to share with you. I Share it. Share. Alright. I hung out with you and JCD hard a few nights this summer in my dreams. It was good fun When I read this just that line alone to me was like that's very weirdly sexual I hung out with you and JCD hard a few nights this summer in my dreams. It was good fun. I

1:51:19 A fire truck full of hot chicks drove by us as we were all in a car together. The two of you were doing the show live as we were cruising around. They were listening to the show live and were freaking out as they realized who it was they were just passing. It was hilarious. If you have any dreams like that, please send them to me. Yeah, he needs entertainment, this poor guy. Send him something. He's like, no, I'm stuck there in Austin. So in town on the 28th just recently was the being human 2013 what is this annual conference? What is this a transhumanist thing? Yeah? No, so you got yeah? You got to go to the website just to look at these douchebags, and I need listen to these guys being human org

1:52:12 And there, I got a little bit of one woman who's there and you gotta check this woman out. Look at the website first and then you have to look up one of the speakers that was the keynoter. Oh, just the front page, this woman, is that what you're talking about? No, not the biological anthropologist. The one that's funnier, you have to look her up to realize how funny it is. Because she has a wiki page, it's Natasha Vitamor. Natasha Voldemort fight up more and you guys see how her name is spelled okay? This is luminaries. Who's a luminary? Sapolsky You gotta see that we look at pedia page. Yeah, what's her name again Natasha Natasha? Vita vita more okay, she hot she's oh well. She's kind of weirdly milfy oh

1:53:11 She's old too. I hadn't clicked on the picture yet, but thanks. But she, look at her name. Her real name is Susan Jones or something. But she's got this name Vita Moore and it's hyphenated as Vita-Moore. She is currently chairman of the board of directors of humanity. She is the designer and author of Primo Post Human. Think she's already a post-human just looking at her picture. Well, you can listen to the kind of chit-chat She has by playing the clip transhuman event if you by the way, if you go to Natasha dot CC that's her website. She looks real vampy there. All right transhuman event That's what you want me to play. Yeah number one. This area is all about what could become of human nature

1:54:04 Certainly we would contain many of the values, the experiences that we have as biological animals. But looking beyond that, whereas digitality, electronics interface with us through human-machine interaction, what could we become with this type of immersivity, transparency, almost indistinguishable invisibility of technology? Wow, wow, wow. Hold on, I have to slash my wrist right now. I knew you'd like that. Wow. Invisibility, transparency, technology. New York Times 2008 calls her the first female philosopher of transhumanism. There's your philosophy, you just heard it.

1:54:48 Wow She went on for like an hour with this kind of gibberish, and there's another I have a second part More of this please more of us won't be that good all around us It has become part of us and we'll have many different issues about ethics and who we might become but But the bottom line of it all is, what is the future of human enhancement? Where are we going? I have an enhancement I want to show you, Ms. Vitamore. Who do we want to become? I look at it from two perspectives. Number one is life expansion. Taking the notion of life extension, looking beyond our limitation of biology, which for the human animal is approximately 120 to 123 years,

1:55:33 to what we might become through the implementation of design. Now one of the most interesting innate characteristics of human to me is our love of exploration. And our ability to innovate we're inventors We love to problem-solve and that ties very neatly into design because design as you know is an iterative process We're constantly reforming remaking our concepts so that they're not only You know that yeah, sure so so she was a performance artist before she became still is In theater, film and video. Let's see her. I'm looking at her website. Since the 1980s, I have focused on human technology integration and the relationship between arts and design and science. My theoretical activity is concerned with human enhancement and the methods for extending and expanding human capabilities

1:56:26 Oh my god. You know, this is a coincidental, I would say, as we learned today that 23andMe, the swab your butt, send us your DNA, they have received a patent for the creation of designer babies. That's disgusting. The system according to the patent can be used to identify a preferred donor among the plurality of donors based on genetic information. A woman undergoing in vitro fertilization using a sperm donor for example could ask 23andMe to crunch numbers on her own genetic profile and those of various donors and then recommend a donor who'd most likely yield a child with the traits she desires. Why don't we just go back to Nazi Germany and get it over with? This is eugenics.

1:57:20 Well, first of all, I was the stuff of the 20s. Okay. Well, thank you very much for taking me right there Because I have in the show notes a specialty for everybody first of all, you will find the folder called eugenics we've just decided to name it that and in the eugenics you will find a PDF of a book and this book is titled a Eugenical Sterilization in the United States, a report of the Psychopathic Laboratory of the Municipal Court of Chicago, written by Harry H. Laughlin. And Harry H. Laughlin was assistant director of the Eugenics Record Office Carnegie Institution of Washington, I guess from the Carnegie family, the Carnegie Hall, the Carnegie Institute.

1:58:09 and and eugenics associate of the Psychopathic laboratory and I go path is the right word and there's a foreword written by Harry Olson chief justice in Chicago at the time and I figured it might be this 500 pages So you can just grab this thing. It's from the 20s I figured may be fun to just read a little bit of the introduction. Oh, yeah, go for it We have another reading from Adam Curry another reading ladies and gentlemen in there Dr. Harry H Laughlin, eugenics associate of the Psychopathic Laboratory of the Municipal Court of Chicago and eugenics director of Carnegie Institute of Washington, has rendered the nation a signal service in the preparation of this work, eugenical sterilization in the United States. Would you like me to play a little of the... Yes, yes. I'd like you to do the lower tones though. Okay, hold on. A little slow, but make it slow.

1:59:06 Since the rediscovery of Mendel's law of heredity and the recent advances made by biologists and psychopathologists in respect to the causal of mental... Stop. It's not gonna work. It's not working for me. I need you to listen. I need you to listen. Since the rediscovery of Mendel's law of heredity and the recent advances made by the biologists and psychopathologists in respect to the causes of mental and physical defects in the human race, with the consequent revelation of the great role played by heredity as a producing cause, the science of eugenics has become of vital importance. America in particular needs to protect herself against indiscriminate immigration, criminal degenerates, and race suicide.

1:59:51 This is from a chief justice of Chicago. Chief justice. I'm jumping around here. Welcome to America. The success of democracy depends, democracy John, depends upon the quality of its individual elements. If in these elements the racial values are high, government will be equal to all the economic, educational, religious, scientific demands of the times. If on the contrary, there is a constant and progressive racial degeneracy, It is only a question of time when popular self-government will be impossible and will be succeeded by chaos and finally a dictatorship.

2:00:45 This is a great book. It is hilarious from beginning to end. It sounds hilarious already. From beginning to end. You can take that PDF file and put it on your Kindle and you can read that book casually. I wouldn't drop it. Don't let anyone see where it says, kill all the Negroes. That's essentially what that's about. Yes. But also if you're invalid, you know, this is where the word invalid comes from, you're invalid. You're not valid. You're invalid. You got a wooden leg or something like that. Now I also, one of our producers, producer Brian, did a fantastic job on a Melinda Gates video.

2:01:25 I pulled those clips if you think we should know I didn't pull them, but I know that I don't want to play all of them But I think that you it's reading his note and then playing the pertinent clip yes Would be I think worthwhile well, that's exactly what I thought we would do so let me open up his note here And by the way, this is a good example of re our listener supporters and producers being able to use the techniques that we promote which is the deconstruction of, in other words looking for the hidden meanings, finding some, the the flubs and and the truth of the people as we've discussed before and other people say it you can't not tell the truth yet some point it comes out and essentially you just dig for it in the end our producer here did a really good job of finding a little gem yes so this is brian and uh... i don't know if he wants his last name mentions all just say was producer brian andy and he he grabbed the uh...

2:02:25 And we've played this before. I know we have played pieces of this a long time ago on the show. This is Bill's wife, Melinda Gates, and she does a TED Talk. And it's all about the Gates Foundation, their mission to reduce the amount of people in the world. And of course people call her a eugenicist and you know, and you know the whole idea of killing people or sterilizing them one way or the other to to have a race die off and they're doing all of this in Africa and Here's a little bit. I'll play the bit and then we'll play actually Here's the opening that is interesting where she denies some people think when we talk about contraception that it's code for abortion Which it's not

2:03:13 Some people, let's be honest, they're uncomfortable with the topic because it's about sex. Some people worry that the real goal of family planning is to control populations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you doth protesteth too much, methinketh? So if we're gonna make progress on this issue, we have to be really clear about what our agenda is. We're not talking about abortion. We're not talking about population control. What I'm talking about is giving women the power to save their lives, to save their children's lives, and to give their families the best possible future. To be all that you can be.

2:04:01 So Brian says these first two snippets are interesting because they establish that Melinda Gates considered the public awareness of population control when she wrote her speech and intends to distance herself from it. She instead intends to propagate her message that we want to bring every good thing to our children and where is the controversy in that? A motto she repeated three times throughout the course of the speech. Now we move on and this is I think kind of the big crux of her denial of the population control. But there's a little gotcha in here which is just astounding as to the words you use. Words matter. But I think as we go through this history, it's important to pause for a moment and to remember why this has become such a contentious issue. It's because some family planning programs resorted to unfortunate incentives and coercive policies.

2:04:55 For instance, in the 1960s, India adopted very specific numeric targets about, and they paid women to accept having an IUD placed in their bodies. Now, Indian women were really smart in this situation. When they went to get an IUD inserted, they got paid six rupees. And so what did they do? They waited a few hours or a few days and they went to another service provider and they had the IUD removed for one rupee. For decades in the United States, African American women were sterilized without their consent. The procedure was so common it became known as the Mississippi Appendectomy. A tragic chapter in my country's history.

2:05:44 And as recently as the 1990s in Peru, women from the Andes region were given anesthesia and they were sterilized without their knowledge. I wonder, were these all great missions from America? I mean, who was doing all this? Because she doesn't mention that and I haven't looked it up, but were these... Well, I don't know about the Andes one, but obviously the ones that was to Mississippi, Appendectova is obviously us. The most startling thing about this is that these coercive policies weren't even needed. They were carried out in places where parents already wanted to lower their family size. This is the one that is kind of... That's the... we probably not... Our producer picked up on this and if you listen, if you... Let's play it again. Analyze what she said.

2:06:32 She actually said she actually instead of moaning about what she should be moaning about which is the ethics of these forced sterilizations she Casually passed it off as something that wasn't even needed. It's startling. We didn't have to go through all that trouble all that trouble and And is which is essentially what you did not assess she's that is exactly what she said yeah so she And it just is a very weird catch and a very difficult thing to to normally catch I Guess our producer was listening to this thing and just but was in the right mood to catch it because he had a skeptical nature which is important if you're going to catch these sorts of comments and The people say well, you know she just saw what she meant. You know, that's what she said Yeah, and we've and she first she defends herself about not being a eugenicist. I think personally

2:07:29 If you're... I don't see why you just don't come out and say it. Yeah, I think somebody could come out and say, you know, these were great programs. We should be sterilizing everybody and we should be limiting in this 43andMe or whatever that thing is with the gene thing. That's the way to go. No, no. And then screw everybody else. You don't need a bunch of cripples and criminals. You know what Miss Mickey's plan is? And she's a eugenicist, by the way. She'll tell you straight up. She says kill all the Chinese. She says their penises are small They've been trying to do that for a long time. They're rude. They're rude. They're tiny. They're in the way their penises are no good They all look alike. That's a billion people just get rid of them done It's funny because it just came out today that the China China's National Tourism Administration has and I don't have a copy of this I want a copy of this guidebook and

2:08:24 It's the guidebook for civilized tourism which advises Chinese nationals not to do a number of things when they are on vacation in the West that they normally would do, such as pick their noses in public, urinate in pools, steal airplane life jackets, What are these people? I didn't know they did that. Well apparently here in May a mainland Chinese woman let her son relieve himself in a bottle in a restaurant. Because this is normal over there. It's not normal everywhere. Yeah, no, I'm telling you this is culture. Hey come on man, the Chinese are always eating weird animals too. It's like the, oh is that a white tiger? Let me eat it.

2:09:14 Oh! That's mostly the Cantonese by the way. Read off this list, any more things on that list? This is fascinating. Yeah I don't have the... this is the problem. I don't have the... There was outrage when a 15 year old tourist from Naging recently carved his name into an ancient temple in Luxor, Egypt. These people are no good! We gotta send Melinda Gates and Bill over to China. I want this guide. Maybe it's only in Chinese, I just don't have a copy of it. I'd love to see this, What You Can't Do. This is the Chinese Golden Week holidays. I guess this is when everyone's traveling. Well, the Chinese that aren't in China, they still have, there's a new network on television called the Esquire Network. Yeah, I've seen them advertise like a beer show. They got a lot of shows, but they have, for one thing, they have the guy that does Talk Soup,

2:10:13 or the soup, Joel McHale doing a, I watched it, this is an Anthony Bourdain ripoff. He's roaming around, making wisecracks, eating food, getting drunk, all the rest of it. And I was beside myself with what a ripoff the show was. executive producer anthony bourdain oh really that's funny so i wasn't beside myself i didn't wonder all right he just made a clone of himself so somehow we got i just want to get back to melinda no no i want to get back to the what my point i'm sorry i go right it was my fault for saying the chinese gotta go well well anyway the one they did a thing in hong kong and they had a bunch of this uh

2:10:52 this kind of commentary about the Chinese but most of it was the expats who had moved there that were Chinese like Canadian Chinese for example or American Chinese they get nothing but grief. The Chinese don't, I mean it's not like even a racial thing, they're a cultural Operation and you can be Chinese. You can even speak Chinese But if you're not shine the China the Chinese people your of your own cast. You're an outcast. Yeah. Yeah The Japanese are worse at that by the way well You know I don't know. I don't know what they're trying to hide. There's a lot of Chinese memo yeah, all right, let's listen to Melinda Gates again and

2:11:35 Just that last bit where she says it was so startling we didn't even have to force sterilize these people. The most startling thing about this is that these coercive policies weren't even needed. They were carried out in places where parents already... What irony! So then at the end, is Chris Anderson, is he British? Well, there's a couple of Chris and the wired guy. The wired guy is not the guy in Ted. Okay, so that's Chris Anderson. The other Chris Anderson is a British guy. And he's the guy used to be used to do Mac ad. He used to be a I don't know who this so there's a host of Ted and I thought it was Chris Anderson, but he it is this is Anderson's the host but it's a different Chris Anderson.

2:12:25 Wow Chris Anderson that people would confuse him with is the wired Chris Anderson. I did I just slip into the Twilight Zone? Oh what? This like to Chris Anderson's who are yes, there's two Chris Anderson's they're different people But they're one of them was the wire editor and he's a book writer and he's a nice guy I know both of them. Oh, and the other guy's a British guy and he owns Ted. Okay, so the British guy is now going to ask Melinda a question and And listen to her answer, it's just short, less than a minute. How this woman, she truly believes that she, along with her other elitist a-holes, run the show. We do this. We, we, we. The royal we. The royal we. Thank you for your courage and everything else. So, Melinda, in the last... Thank you for your courage!

2:13:24 everything else what courage I don't I'm just gonna keep saying that to everybody I see hey nice to meet you thank you for your courage I like it hey John thank you for your courage you're welcome yeah the last few years I've heard a lot of smart people say something to the effect of we don't need to worry about the population issue anymore you know family sizes are coming down naturally all over the world we're gonna peak at nine or ten billion and that's it Are they wrong? Well, if you look at the statistics across Africa, they are wrong. And I think we need to look at it though from a different lens. We need to look at it from the ground upwards. I think that's one of the reasons we got ourselves in so much trouble on this issue of contraception is we looked at it from top down and said, we want to have different population numbers over time. Yes, we care about the planet. Yes, we need to make the right choices.

2:14:20 But the choices have to be made at the family level and it's only by giving people access and letting them choose what to do that you get those sweeping changes that we have seen globally except for Sub-Saharan Africa and set for those places in South Asia and Afghanistan. All right, so she is elite and she is just part of and this is kind of where it comes back to to Vidamore. This is the trend. The trend is Less people, but we are going to live forever because we will become one with machines. And let me tell you, Joe Rogan is on this trip too. I mean, you gotta be kidding. This is very tempting because it seems kind of cool, the basic idea.

2:15:07 It doesn't seem cool to me. No, not to me, but you know it's like you're already kind of one with your iPhone, you know, this is people are like, oh yeah, no, I just like that this thing in my head is embedded, just a slot, just wanted to, I wanted the connector right there. People are looking forward to that. But you may, it's become... Google Glass is close to it. Google Glass is a part of that, absolutely. And I urge you to go read the Unabomber Manifesto. I'll put it into the show notes. I'm not advocating blowing up anybody to get attention for it, but the document itself is very interesting. Very interesting particularly in light of what you're hearing here what you're hearing from a Natasha Vita more I'd love my friends to death, but they are on their way to transhumanism with this 23 and me and the What is it the quantified self?

2:15:58 Right, Natalie Del Conte or Morris or is her new name. She's really into that quantified thing. Oh really? She's got wires on herself. Oh my god, my blood pressure went up by a point. Let me just relax. Serenity now, serenity now. Where did I, did I miss something? Where was this? She talked about it on one of the Twitch shows. Oh, I can't believe I missed that. What? Yeah, she's all wired. She's all hooked up. She's got stuff, you know, all over her. Really? But is it connected to the web? Can we monitor her? I probably... I think that's the main thing people are doing. Can you give her a jolt? That's what I... Yes. I'm talking about science and all the rest of it. You know, you did this once, so I'm going to do it. The science is in!

2:16:54 From the one of our one of our literary producer sanity sent it said you got listen to last clip gave me the exact point of time They are discussing. This was the last week show they had Tom Merritt was running it and by the way Tom Merritt I didn't realize until I recorded him and listened with with Molly your friend Molly who I love yes who you're about I I did not pull this clip I did. I know because I was like I love Molly. I don't want to do this. Yeah you wouldn't be able to. I like Molly a lot. I introduced her to Mickey. I set the whole thing up and I like Molly as much as I can like her. And I sent you pictures didn't I? Yeah and they're both naked. It's fantastic. So

2:17:33 So Molly was on the show agreeing with everything Merritt was saying. She was actually in town, never called of course. And they're yacking away and they're talking really fast so I just kind of slowed down at the end so you can understand what she said. But somebody came up and this is, I don't think it's as good as Kiki, you might as well play Kiki's little clip. Dr. Kiki. Wow, you're like all over the map here, okay. Stop already. Science! Science! They're talking about comments, people make comments and it's terrible, we should ban all comments from the internet even though comments provide most of the entertainment, nobody brought that up of course. And they talked about how popular science dropped the comments and all these people, because people would chime in, because these articles are bull crap, they're a bunch of

2:18:18 you know, pseudoscience themselves but you know they pose as science and then so somebody says this is bullcrap and they put some citation or whatever. Just play this and you'll see what we're looking for here. Crap that appears in YouTube comments. So Google and YouTube are making a very smart play here to say We're worth the higher CPMs. Look at what Popular Science did turning off comments because they cited a study saying when you had comments that were disputing the science without good science behind it, it lessened people's confidence in science. Now there's some other people saying like that's the wrong way to go about it, popular science, what you should have done is heavy moderation, etc, etc. And there's probably valid reasons to that. But in absence of the resources to do all of the better things, shutting down the comments versus leaving them up and having people not believe your content because of the commenters is the decision they made.

2:19:07 I was in favor of that decision by POPSCI. I really do because I think you could devote ridiculous amounts of staff that they don't have to trying to make sure that the comments are okay and that they don't distort the science in some way. Or you could say like, you know what? This is not up for debate. It's science. This is not up for debate. It's science. This is not up for debate. It's science. Science! You produced! It's funny because the exact same story ran on NPR, our national treasure, on Marketplace And I thought it would be interesting to get the more mainstream opinion on this, which of course is obviously exactly the same. This is Marketplace from APM. I'm Kai Risdahl. You've got a couple of options if you hear something on this program that you like or that you hate for that matter. Yeah. You could email us. You could hit us up on Twitter at MarketplaceAPM or you could go to our website, marketplace.org and leave a comment.

2:20:07 But there's the rub, because comment sections on journalism sites can be painful, often hijacked by trolls who knock down pretty much everything they read. Ooh! Hijacked! Hijacked! I say hijacked, I'm a hot tat terrorist! That in part helps explain why Popular Science has shut down its comment section. Marketplace's Adrienne Hill report. Hey, all you internet trolls, I know you aren't much for nuance and subtlety. By the way, I love how Molly calls it pop-sci. Pops I don't see so she's gonna hate me for doing this is all your fault. This is this is ending She's the one who said it but it's not you bring this up what you brought up is the point that all she's doing like Everybody else that is out there not that Molly's the only one she's just parroting mainstream media. She's like a stenographer Yeah, that's okay because she just needs to be saved. That's all that's all that needs to happen It's just it's just a little programming slowly and in words you might understand I

2:21:04 People who care about civilization hate you. Your predictable, boring diatribes are ruining the internet for the rest of us. Just so you know, we're ruining the internet for the rest of us! Get a job. Get a job. Alright, I'm done. Retha Hill is a professor at Arizona- Who is this dick? I'm anything and can get ugly. People really go after each other in a way that discourages really good thoughtful conversation. Popular Science for its part has had enough anti-science bashers and political railing. It's closing its comment section down. Suzanne Labar is Popular Science's online content director.

2:22:04 This research came out a few months ago that showed that how people perceive science is actually shaped in part by comment sections. And that, she says, was all the motivation that we needed to just finally get... Oh, that was it! Shut the door! Lady and the Wiser getting in the house! Shut the door! Hey, by the way, John, I've been waiting to be able to play this clip. U.S. Capitol in lockdown right now. Shots fired at the Capitol. Seriously, I'm not kidding. Horrible news coming over the police radio in the House Press Gallery. Lots of sc- I'm just reading tweets. Capitol Police scrambling. Gunshots in front of Capitol. Cops scramble. Hmm. Well, that's interesting.

2:21:04 People who care about civilization hate you. Your predictable, boring diatribes are ruining the internet for the rest of us. Just so you know, we're ruining the internet for the rest of us! Get a job. Get a job. Alright, I'm done. Retha Hill is a professor at Arizona- Who is this dick? I'm anything and can get ugly. People really go after each other in a way that discourages really good thoughtful conversation. Popular Science for its part has had enough anti-science bashers and political railing. It's closing its comment section down. Suzanne Labar is Popular Science's online content director.

2:22:04 This research came out a few months ago that showed that how people perceive science is actually shaped in part by comment sections. And that, she says, was all the motivation that we needed to just finally get... Oh, that was it! Shut the door! Lady and the Wiser getting in the house! Shut the door! Hey, by the way, John, I've been waiting to be able to play this clip. U.S. Capitol in lockdown right now. Shots fired at the Capitol. Seriously, I'm not kidding. Horrible news coming over the police radio in the House Press Gallery. Lots of sc- I'm just reading tweets. Capitol Police scrambling. Gunshots in front of Capitol. Cops scramble. Hmm. Well, that's interesting.

2:22:59 Yeah, it is interesting. Yeah, I don't have a TV here. It's funny they would do it when nobody's there. It's weird. What do you mean nobody's there? I mean everyone's on, you know, furlough. Isn't anybody in the Capitol building? Probably just a couple guards, I'm guessing. Maybe not. Okay. This is very interesting because it comes at a very odd time. I think the timing is weird. No one was hurt when someone fired shots at a restaurant on Capitol Hill. This is in Seattle. From three years ago. Let's see if CNN has anything. It's actually from July. Well let's get back to the other article. We'll go to that. Let's go to the... I just have to say something. Yes. First of all, it's not that hard to moderate.

2:23:45 It's done very easily as a matter of fact and if you have a staff of people like for example say I'm a writer for Popular Science and I write something and people come in, I should be able to moderate my own stream of comments even though there could be hundreds of them. And one of the things you really have to have the power to do is to ban people. The key to real good moderation is finding the jerks. that are just troublemakers that come in and they say stupid stuff. And put them on the Bozo filter. You put them either on a Bozo filter, which is the absolute funniest if you have one, or you just blacklist them and they can't get in. And if they do get in again, first of all, you look up their IP address, which you can do.

2:24:23 and you take a look at all their comments and then if you see, if you look up their person, the name they usually use, sometimes their IP address changes and you can see when it changes and it'll probably change again sometime. You just ban those IP addresses and you let the guys, they generally will go to someplace else to make their comments. So it's not that difficult to moderate. It's not like, oh, there's no resources. A place like Popular Science has plenty of money. More than a blogger does. Most bloggers can do this. Pop Sci. Say it right. Pop Sci. Most bloggers can do this, so it's not that hard to do. And that's what they should do because comments are important. They're part of the reason people will go to a website because you want to read the comments. Yeah, but you're ruining the internet, you troll.

2:25:07 and sometimes it's more entertaining than the article and sometimes those articles, and I have to say it, are wrong. They're not just because it's... climate science wrong but I mean there's regular articles written by regular people about something like rocket propulsion and they've got it wrong and somebody needs to jump in and tell me that this is wrong you got the wrong formula or something like that comment in the comments is pop sign up the magazine that it was not popular science who explained exactly how the World Trade Center's have melted steel yeah yeah yeah there that was the definitive work yeah that would be a reason why I don't they don't need comments

2:25:44 I don't go there. That was enough science for me. Yeah. Physics. Physics. It's just math, people. Right. Anyway, so I have to think that this is wrong-headed. Apparently, PBS, where this got started in popular science, they couldn't take it anymore. It's like, it seems to me that they just couldn't take it. They said, I can't take it anymore. These people, people are reading the comments and they don't believe a word we say. They're mean. There's all kinds of hoops you can create you need comments Yeah, but this is unless it's just writing an essay and you don't care So so what is your takeaway on this? Is this an oh, this is an overall trend. I

2:26:33 I think it would like to be a trend but I think what you're gonna run into with it as a trend is that your numbers will fall off. The readers will get so aggravated they look at the... I've had this happen to me. So wait a minute, this isn't right and you look I'm gonna put a comment in you know as though that's gonna do anything but you feel better so you go to put your feel better comment in and by the way very few people that if you have these some of these sites that have 500 comments nobody's reading all these things. But so anyway, you put one foot your comment and get some blow off some steam and there's not one there yet Rarely go back to that site. So let's just look at some of the Pop sigh look at their top stories today number one death by collider What would happen if you were zapped by the large Hadron collider? Ooh science science number two

2:27:21 Lessons from Mr. White, the best- the six best science tips we picked up from watching Breaking Bad. Ooh, the science is in! October's Best Gadgets, a dozen great ideas in gear featuring the best gaming laptop, a high-tech beer growler, and more. Overboard what happens if an astronaut floats off into space blatant promotion for the gravity movie. Yeah Images of the week including an inflatable concert hall exploding light bulbs and a guy with one hell of a beard Yeah, you know there's other reasons why I don't go to your site pop side. It's bullshit. It gives a crap Crap

2:28:05 I mean, we're no scientists. We're no scientists here. We're no scientists here. But you know, we're historians we are historians of popular culture and We can see where all this is headed and it go ahead and look at Natasha dot CC and tell me the selfie photo of Natasha Vida more is not what you want to be Look at that face. It's frightening. I think that she's already transhumanized and You know I was reluctant to go there the first time and now you got my attention. It's interesting because she could yeah nata Sha dot CC. Yeah, there. She is she looks like she could be a really pretty Sophia Loren kind of thing

2:28:49 But no she has a style of speaking and she sounds a lot like her because I kept listening to her going who does she sound like she sounds like a Pastor Melissa, what's her name? That's on that used to be there used to be this one guy. I can't remember her last name No, I don't know why anyway She sounds like one of these preachers who talked with the kind of a weird affectation and then when you look her up her real name is what got to me which is Natasha let me look her up. I'm looking at her at her site and she as she was at South by Southwest or as we say Austin South by in 2009 and she did a speech called Plutopia living systems what you're reject in 2009 the real name is Nancy Clark she looks like a Nancy Clark Nancy Clark PR lady Plutopia

2:29:47 Plutopia is a premier marketing opportunity for sponsors to drive brand recognition. This is all scam. All of this is just one big giant scam, but it's great. You know, it's okay. I got friends who are in on this scam and they're doing great. Stuff needs to be sold. Primo post. Yes. By the way, I think that we may have a fellow traveler or it could just be a kind of a verbal typo. But play tell me that there's some there's not something up with this with this short clip Cal explosion in the morning. The hope is that the lights will be back on by in the morning in time for classes to start tomorrow because

2:30:30 He was so busy getting the in the morning out. He didn't make a sentence Time I gotta say it time for it lights in the morning That the lights will be back on by in the morning. I'm for classes to start tomorrow. I wanted to say in the morning Oh, I said bye. Oh crap. I'll just say it anyway in the morning in the morning to you, dude Yeah, that was the explosion you guys had right was weird. Yeah, there's something fishy about it, too. That was weird. Oh I don't know what it was. I think it was maybe some, maybe the KGB decided to give the CIA a message. I have no idea. I did want to just roll one thing at you because we talked about it a while ago. Remember all those, and this is how this show works, you know, sometimes you got to be patient. You got to wait for months, years, and then there it is. We are our own manifesto. Every single episode is a manifesto of sorts.

2:31:22 We talked about there were all these... we knew, and now it turns out correctly, that it was effectively PR against the pharmaceutical compounding industry. Oh right. Remember that we had all these like, oh horrible people got... People are dying from stuff. Compounders no good. Well here it is ladies and gentlemen. This is HR113. So this is a house resolution on its way to becoming a bill to amend the Food and Drug and Cosmetic Act with respect to human drug compounding and drug supply chain security and for other purposes. This act may be cited as the Drug Quality and Security Act. Ah, there you go. Now let me explain compounding, and I am a layman. However, I know Miss Mickey has a thyroid issue and instead of going on the synthetic bull crap

2:32:22 that is synthetic, right, just that's enough said. She has found a doctor in Austin who has hooked her up with something called the People's Pharmacy and they compound out of natural elements, it's probably pig hormones and stuff like that, a specific compound of progesterone which is perfect for her issue. And the thyroid is kind of like, as she calls it, it's like the director of your entire body. I mean the thyroid is like you're awake, you're asleep, you're gaining weight, you're losing weight. It has a lot to do with everything. Your memory, I mean everything is involved in it. It's very, it's critical. And so she's had this for, I don't know, probably 15-20 years.

2:33:03 And now her life has changed dramatically by no longer being on the synthetic stuff and having the stuff compounded. Do people care about her? You know, the pharmacist? No, it's a personal thing. It's an important service. It's really good. And this is now under threat. And how are they going to do this? So if you look at what has happened here in the legislation, They're changing sections 502, 505, and 585 about when you can compound something and when you can't. So, drug compounding buyer under the direct supervision of a licensed pharmacist in a facility that elects to register as an outsourcing facility if each of the following conditions is met.

2:33:49 So you cannot compound drugs anymore unless you meet the following conditions. There's a lot of them, I'm just going to pick a couple of them. Registration reporting the drug is compounded in an outsourcing facility that is in compliance with the requirements of subsection B. You got a whole bunch of new requirements popping up. I think most compounders can get through that. Then we have the bulk drug substance appears on a list established by the secretary identifying bulk drug substances for which there is a clinical need. here it is down by number five you may not compound a drug if the drug is essentially a copy of one or more approved drugs so let me let me run that by you in a real-world scenario and that real-world scenario would be actually a progesterone named Makena

2:34:49 And Makina is basically a progesterone, it's an injection so there's nothing Ms. Mickey has, but it's a progesterone injection which was made by compounding, would cost about 20 bucks. Along comes Makina, and I think that's a Merck company, along comes Makina, they take the exact elements of that compound which you know apparently is a popular compound, they turn it into a drug, get it approved, put a label on it, now it costs $1,200. And you can no longer get the compounded version. That's how they're doing it. That's a scandal. I am certainly contacting our representative to tell them that they should fight this. This should not go through. This is an outrage. It's a total outrage. It's unbelievable.

2:35:42 And they get away with this stuff. Who is the sponsor of these bills? Let me see who's on this one. Hold on a sec. I mean, these guys should be called out. Mr. Upton. Upton. Upton. Upton. What the hell is Upton? Let me find out. Upton. He's a good congressman, right? Yeah, I think so. Let's see. Upton Congress. There's got to be some co-sponsors. Fred Upton. Fred Upton Michigan these guys all come out of Michigan Fred you got nothing to do with anything. He's obviously in the payroll just ooze Let me see HR 1 1 it's been in offices 93 20 years Yeah, fourth district. Let me see if there's any co-sponsors on this thing yet. It's gotta be Yes, is this the one no that's the library huh I

2:36:41 This sometimes is very hard to get. He's a Republican. Yeah. A douchebag. Committee on Energy and Commerce. What's he got to do with any of this? Well, commerce, I guess. He's a douchebag. He's a total douchebag if he put that law into play. Let me see if I could find the sponsors. Ah, you're in a BA in Journalism from the University of Michigan. That's funny. Let's see, uh, committee leaders- Sports editor. Oh, hold on a second. Well, here you go. Committee leaders applaud passage of Drug Quality and Security Act. The House of Representatives today passed. Oh, so the oh I see they've changed it HR 3204 by a voice vote. They did this sneaky. Oh, yeah, that's what you do it I am proud to say this piece of legislation is a product of true

2:37:33 and bicameral work. Yeah, it'll always be bipartisan when it comes to big pharma. The Senate and the House, Republicans and Democrats, came together to produce a bill that would protect American patients by ensuring the safety, they receive safe drugs, says Chairman Upton. Oh, he's the chairman. Wow. So he pushed it through. Oh yeah. Voice vote. I like a roll call. Forget it, buddy. H would protect traditional pharmacies and clarify FDA's authority over the compounding of human drugs while requiring the agency to engage and coordinate with states to ensure the safety of compounded drugs. To date, the CDC has linked 64 deaths in 20 states to contaminated drugs by compounding. Wow. Yeah, well, let me tell you, I did not put it past the pharmaceutical industry to kill 64 people just to get this. Hey, I got an idea. Let's kill some people. Make it law.

2:38:36 Legislation would create a uniform national standard for drug supply chain security to protect Americans. So I guess the president hasn't signed this yet. Wow. That's horrible. Let me just make sure it's in. Yeah, no, it's in the final one. This is the final. The one about the can't copy a drug? Yeah, it's in there. I'm reading. I thought I might not be reading from the final, but I am. Wow. I'd like to get that anecdote about the $12 versus $1,200. It was... Is that printed somewhere? Somebody published that? This was sent to us by one of our doctor producers and I can... So send... forward it to me. I'll forward you the email because he turned me on to this. Of course. And he's been listening that long. He's like, hey, remember you were talking about that? Guess what? Here it is. Yeah, we're a little ahead of the curve on some of these things. So now I have to figure out, you know,

2:39:34 Let's say, you know, the world shuts down in October. I have to figure out how to, you know, extract, you know, pig hormones to save my wife. I have to learn how to do this. That's really sad. You know, it's scary when you think that, you know, you have, you need a certain type of something to basically stay alive. You know what I mean? Interesting. What's the deal with, I got this clip. President plugging kayak what is this? Oh yeah I heard about it. You and your friends and your family and your co-workers can get covered too. Just visit healthcare.gov and there you can compare insurance plans side by side the same way you'd shop for a plane ticket on kayak or a TV on Amazon. Let me tell you if Amazon was running the health care stuff it would work.

2:40:27 So I got some one last clip I'll play and then I can move these other ones to Sunday. But I do think we need to play this because this seems to be somewhat underreported. And of course Syria is not being discussed because everyone's all up in arms about the government shutdown or at least they're talking about it to excess. I mean how much analysis do we need of this thing where every news show is just talking about this one thing? When this particular thing about Syria kind of goes under the radar, I have to see it on Democracy Now! The U.S. and its allies are facing what could be a major setback in efforts to influence the outcome of Syria's civil war. A coalition of Syrian rebel groups is openly split with the Western-backed foreign opposition. In a joint statement, 13 armed rebel factions, including units of the Free Syrian Army, said they reject the authority of the Turkey-based National Coalition, which is backed by countries including the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.

2:41:25 The new front has dubbed itself the Islamist Alliance and claims to represent three-quarters of the armed rebels fighting the Assad regime. The alliance's lead signatory is the al-Nusra Front, an al-Qaeda-linked group deemed a terrorist organization by the United States. Yeah, are they verified on Twitter though? I Can't even get verified by Twitter yet Twitter verifies Al Shabaab and al-qaeda and everybody verify Al Shabaab

2:42:02 You think if they could verify it, I can tell you, I can tell you. Go over there and grab them. I have a clip. ...actually did a study on this and what they found is that Twitter helps spur a 30% growth in online forums for hate and terrorism over the past year. 20,000 what they called hate spewing hashtags. Nice one by the way. I wish I'd come up with that. hate spewing hashtags and handles appeared on Twitter up 5,000 from the year before. Up 5,000? I don't even know how you monitor that breadth of activity. It's very, very tough. And that's one of the most challenging things, not just for us, but actually also for terrorist groups is that who is the real representative of the group on Twitter? Because Twitter doesn't validate accounts from Al Qaeda or Shabab. So if someone goes on there and says that they're Shabab al-Mujahideen or they're Al Qaeda, how do

2:42:52 How do we really know they are who they say they are? Because you and I talked during the whole Kenya incident because they kept shutting down their Twitter account and a new one would open. They'd shut it down, they'd open it. I think it happened five or six times. How do you know if this really is who's inside that building? Yeah, and look, and one of the accounts that popped up really does look like it was a copycat account created as a prank. But here it comes, because they're going to tell you how they know it was proof. Yeah, but look there are ways of validating this and so for instance last week an account that claimed to be a shebab Released an original audio recording of the leader an original audio recording no less of a shebab so presumably if you're releasing that kind of information it

2:43:33 That's validating the authenticity and unfortunately look if you look at the number of followers on these accounts You're talking about thousands and thousands of followers never mind people that are just browsing across this normally So it really does increase their reach pretty dramatically That's right everybody you heard it right here fact That's a good one who gave you that that's from flash Gordon. Yes. Yeah, very good. I do what the original one is I thought it wasn't clear. Here's the original. So I made it three times. I thought it was... because otherwise you don't really know what they're saying. Fact. Which one do you like? I stick with your judgment on this. I would go with the fact, fact, fact.

2:44:26 On the best podcast in the universe. FACTS! That's alright people, we know nothing. Report shot fired on Capitol Hill. Capitol Police shelter in place! There it is! Shelter in place. An order was given under the Capitol's speaker system, the giant voice system. Ho ho, let's do it! Let's do it, hold on a second. How do I do it? Ladies and gentlemen, time to shelter in place. Resume normal activity after sheltering in place. Cower in the corner. I wonder, I wonder, I wonder, watch CNN live? Oh, will CNN let me watch live? Oh, that's interesting. Oh, this is coordinated. This is what they do, they do this well. Do they go, you're allowed to watch live? Yeah, sure. Oh no, no, no, no, no. Select your TV service provider. Oh, well you're on the net. Yeah. Yeah, you have to have something. So I got a funny story. Play the Tesla clip, this is hilarious. Wait, I think I know what this is.

2:45:28 Come on, come on, come on baby, go. One of Tesla's electric cars caught fire today. Kit Do shows us the flames, the damage to the car and the resulting damage to the company's stock. That's a brand new car. To the cameraman, it's just another car fire on the freeway near Seattle. Wow, I can feel the heat in here. Until he realizes what's burning. Oh, that's a Tesla, dude! The Tesla driver told the police he stretched a metal door... Oh, it's a Tesla, dude! This crap's on fire, man! ...three. The car warned him to pull over. He did and escaped okay. The $70,000 car then burst into flames.

2:46:05 Firefighters had a bit of trouble putting it out. They had to flip the car on its side, then used a circular saw to cut into the battery housing and douse the flames. The only thing that got hurt was Tesla's stock price. Tesla trades on this perception of perfection. People have this image of the Tesla like it's so perfect it can't fail. Tech analyst Rob Enderly says the stock had already been downgraded and news of the fire burst their bubbles. The problem here is the perception is so far ahead of reality that when you have a problem like this it tends to adjust back something closer to reality. So it just means that the stock is overvalued and the end result is when you have a problem like this the market will overreact. Isn't this thing trading like a hundred times earnings or something? It's crazy.

2:46:49 Anyway, the key to this whole thing is the bullcrap you get from the PR girl. Yeah. Engineers are now looking at the data and the onboard computer for clues as to what might have happened. Kit Do, KPIX 5. Tesla was just ranked the safest car in America. Tonight a company spokeswoman says every indication is that the fire was a result of the collision and the damage the car sustained. What collision? There was no collision!

2:47:29 I said just read this right off the prompt, oh it's because of the collision. What? There was no collision. The guy ran over a piece of metal or something. The car told him to pull over and get out, which I think was great if that's true. Yeah. And then the car blew up. Where's the collision? Well he could, technically, technically, technically he collided into a paper bag. I mean this is what really galls me when you watch these news reports. The facts are right in front of them and then they still, whatever the PR person says, they spew it. It's unbelievable. Okay, anyway, done. I'll tell you what, since we have a show on Sunday, I think I'd like to get to the Batcave right now and start looking for whatever we're being distracted from right now.

2:48:22 With this Capitol shooting. Yeah. And I still see that we've done the show. I think we've definitely... We put in the hours. So we will try to get you another newsletter, which will be filled with FACTS! And no commenting, please. No commenting on the newsletter. We don't want you ruining our conspiracies. You're ruining everything. You're ruining it. It's science, it doesn't need commenting. You're ruining it for the rest of everybody, you trolls. Alright, hey chat room. Thanks for hanging in there those of you who are able to thank you avoid zero. Mr. Oil sir get most slave for Hooking up alternate routes. So at least the second half of the show was Was streamable due to the fiber cuts and God knows what's going on that you know, it's it's the furloughs It's the shutdowns it's happening. I

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