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00:00 Hey man, we could have like 50 terror strikes a year every single week. We could be dead from people blowing up the stock exchange and it'll crash our entire economy and there'd be no money coming out of the ATMs. People should be freaking out man! We can't do this to them! They're our security for liberty or whatever I don't care if...we can't do this! Adam Curry John C Devorah It's Sunday June 23rd 2013 time for your Gizmo Nation Media Assassination episode 524 This is No Agenda Everybody from the Travis Heights hideout in Austin Tejas in the morning I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley the Mecca of Tekka That's right, I forgot to say. I mean the capital of the drone star state that would make your mecca of tekkah come out better all right

00:54 Here we are. No, actually John I'm here at Moscow Airport where I am here with many reporters and photographers it's just wall to wall crazy John! We're waiting for Leaker Snowden to show up Tell me what you've learned Adam Well i'm learning that everyone knows he is going to be here And we don't know Glenn Greenwald will be calling in soon Who seems to be his PR person now Did they fake? You sure they're going to be at the airport, not the train station? No no! We have the graphics on screen. We have the little airplane flying from Hong Kong to Moscow so therefore we know that he will be arriving here John This is like porn for these people It's total TV news porn what's taking place now So it's like... of course I guess Snowden never read The Confessions Of An Economic Hitman

01:57 concerning these little planes but okay well he's not taking a little plane he's on an end he's like I'm uh on an Aeroflot like a commercial airline yeah yeah you have to kill ya know and of course wikiLeaks has to tweet his exact flight number this thing is it so transparent what's going on now and you know and and so i retweet this WikiLeaks thing unlike yeah that's just sneaking about the country by telling them light number that's good work yeah and then This is good. They should do that because you know he's protected by being public now Do people not realize that wikiLeaks is the CIA John F Kennedy? Oh, please this is it so crazy what is going on right now and I think Such a perfect job as being done of sucking in the alternative thinking

02:53 Masses which are truly our masses people no longer believe the news media Because the news media is now baiting them with you know little conspiracy nuggets It's just like here take this conspiracy nugget a little conspiracy She little uh, little doggie treat here. I'll give this to you let them all fight over that it's just wow I mean Wow It's funny the way they've done that too. They got Alex Jones on the one hand for the people who have to go off the deep end and think they're going to die at any minute, then they have... And then the spectrum goes all the way to bemoaning conspiracy theory and everything in between. The people who don't know what a conspiracy is

03:44 It's just, it's amazing. The spectrum of reality has been stretched to the limit and even our own audience who I know listen to almost every single show and they forget... They've already forgotten! There is like oh this Snowden you know? Yeah I really think you have to reevaluate where he stands in this debate It is not necessarily your hero or your villain. Let us remember that he came forward thanks to this documentary maker,

04:24 Lenny Riefenstahl, who also did the highly stylized video of him. Who has been doing all of these NSA exposure missions... ...who has received half a million dollars in fund money. There's a lot going on here! And since the... Did you see this Wired article about Kaiser Alexander? No, what? Oh my God! No wonder they want to get the NSA is being exposed. These guys are out of control how much power this this Kaiser Alexander This is now this is from the wired threat level blog, which we know is a direct Pipeline from the CIA and I think that's to most people that that's obvious. I'll just read a little bit of this

05:22 In fact, the title of the piece is The Secret War. Infiltration Sabotage Mayhem For years four-star general Keith Alexander has been building a secret army capable of launching devastating cyber attacks Now it's ready to unleash hell That's just the title of this piece. Inside Fort Meade, Maryland top-secret city bustles tens of thousands of people move through more than 50 buildings The city has its own post office fire department police force But, as if designed by Kafka it sits among a forest of trees surrounded by electrified fences and heavily armed guards protected by anti-tank barriers monitored by sensitive motion detectors and watched by rotating cameras. To block any telltale electromagnetic signals from escaping the inner walls of the building are wrapped in protective copper shielding and one way windows are embedded with fine copper mesh

06:16 This is the undisputed domain of General Keith Alexander, a man few even in Washington would likely recognize. Never before has anyone in America's intelligence sphere come close to his degree of power The number of people under his command, the expanse of his rule, the length of his reign or depth of his secrecy. A four-star army general, his authority extends across three domains He is director of the world's largest intelligence service, the National Security Agency Chief of the Central Security Service that's the CSS John, the Hitmen commander of the US Cyber Command. As such he has his own secret military presiding over the Navy's 10th fleet and the 24th Air Force and the Second Army." Are you kidding me? This guy owns us! It is no wonder they're trying to out his agency this is all set up to get rid of this guy, and out the secret

07:17 Mmm, what should we call it? So the SS yeah well literally or maybe the Gestapo I don't know and And guess what showed up in the mail here yesterday in The Post but a CSS challenge coin you have a CSS challenge coin yes with holy crap with no return address And hey, whoever said that to Adam get me one. No note it came to the house! Yeah no note. It came to the house and so... So the CSS has its own challenge you know everybody goes what's his name? We saw the picture of what's-his-name Chuck Hagel. Chuck Hagels got a challenge going just on his own. Now there is this new guy doing the rounds

08:03 A whistleblower who's been around for six or seven years, I guess got no traction back in the day. This Russell Tice? Have you seen him anywhere?" I don't know. I have not seen him anywhere. Okay, so Russell Tice He first caught my eye on MSNBC where they kind of don't really even says you know Here's what? I want to talk about but they kind of shut him up a little bit and then he showed up on a couple of podcasts And that's what I really want to focus our attention on but first here is a quick minute of him Russell Tice former NSA employee, he's a whistleblower and I have to believe that he is now being sent out by the agency to help uncover what Snowden had been sent to start. How far will that go? To help squash some of the outrage or confusion that is out there? Well, I mean there's a lot of disinformation going on. Um...I've always said that this situation is much worse at some point I'd like to talk about that

09:02 Um, everything I've seen here... See in the pre-interview they said shut up. You're not going to talk about that? Boy that's a great catch! That almost could have been the day you caught that They fall back to the next line of defense We've seen previous uh, the previous director of NSA and i've seen this director They are basically not telling the truth about what is going on And they look at whats coming at them from Mr Snowden information and what's happened in the past, then they just fall back to the next line of defense. The situation is much worse than what's going on that we know. How much worse? Well, for instance NSA today is collecting everything including content of every digital communication in this country both computer and phone. And that information is being stored indefinitely and that's something they're lying about. That facility out there in Utah is online right now. The fact that they have said they do not do that you are saying it's just a flat-out lie?

10:02 That's correct. They don't get much further with this guy there, but on the Boiling Frogs podcast He shows up again and again I'm quite convinced that he is being sent But the information that he gives us is just wow. They went after, and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things... they went after high-ranking military officers they went after members of Congress both Senate and the House especially on the intelligence committees the uh... armed services committee and so it'll be a judicial but they went after all the ones to they went after lawyers in law firms all kinds of heaps of lawyers and law firms they went after judges one of the charges is now sitting on supreme court that i had his wiretapped information my hand too are or um... former spicer court judges they went after state department officials they went after people in the executive ends the executive

11:08 service that were part of the White House, their own people. They went after anti-war groups they went after uh... u s international corporate us companies to do in a car international business so you know business around the world they went after all of us banking firms and financial firms that do use of international business they went after n g o's did like though the red cross and income people like that that they go overseas and do humanitarian work um... they they went after a few anti-war civil rights groups. So don't tell me that there's no abuse because I've had this stuff in my hand and looked at it, and in some cases I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff

11:56 And, you know when I said to Overman. I said my particular thing is high-tech and what's going on You know is the other thing which is the dragnet? The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about the dragon the terrestrial dragnet Well, my specialty is outer space ideal with satellites and everything that goes in and out of space I did my spying via space My favorite kinds are spying Internet schminner net bitches It's going through outer space. I'm liking this guy! Yeah, well they sure drug him out of the woodwork and he used to be with the DIA Yep The Air Force Intelligence and then the NSA

12:40 And I guess the NSA is the one that set him off. And his, uh... and so here's the kicker is the person he spied on in 2004. Here's the big one! I haven't given you any names This was in summer of 2004 One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wire tap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-some year old wannabe senator from Illinois And you know, I totally believe this. It makes so much sense because yeah you want to have the goods? You want to blackmail everybody? This is exactly what the FBI was initially set up to do or what the FBI became Yeah under Hoover and it transformed and now the NSA who really honestly until this probably if you went on the street and asked any American about the NSA they'd be like What is that?

13:34 What? Never heard of it. So before we go on too long, what do they need...what does the NSA operation in Maryland need anti-tank barriers for? In case the CIA comes trying to rip them down! This is its own army inside the system John. Who has tanks in the United States except the National Guard. So they're protecting themselves against the National Guard? Yes, of course they are! This is so obvious to me now and Snowden is just a little peon in the whole game and everyone's afraid that this guy he's got the goods on everybody Kaiser Alexander Heil He's got the goods! He's got all... he's got everyone's little dirty little secrets because they all have them

14:30 Everyone has a dirty secret. You're spying from space, you don't need to send an email. That's good stuff! Welcome to America! I think that we have to be viewing this from a very different angle all the Snowden stuff is minor distraction just minor And Glenn Greenwald, I'm not sure what side he's on anymore. He has nothing better to do in his day than answer the phone from CNN and MSNBC and go on the air all the time? That's all he seems to do! This morning with a nondescript unimportant woman from CNN Glenn Greenwald is smart enough to know that no one watches CNN Seriously, no one watches CNN

15:22 James Schmo anchor is grilling him like he's the, like he's Snowden's manager. This is CNN breaking news. Breaking News! Let's get back to our breaking news this morning. We know that admitted NSA leaker Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong and reports say he is on his way to Russia right now, but that is not expected to be hi final destination Joining me now on the phone is Glenn Greenwald He is a journalist who interviewed Snowden and broke the NSA story in The Guardian newspaper Glenn thanks for joining us Thanks for having me. Have you noticed this? Greenwald is just answering anyone's call? Yeah, he's on all the time! Why is he doing this?! And nothing comes of it... It's not like he reveals anything interesting No but why is he doing this? Is this for his own ego or something? Or what's the point? What is the point in him doing it? He should be working on the story

16:15 Uh, he well I don't know. I think he's always wanted to be a higher profile writer and i think he thinks he is making it this way what he should have had see the kicker here especially for CNN is that he had a book out right now He should be writing that book. He needs to be plugging that book he should be taking any book throwing a new cover on it Oh, yeah, exactly is my book Go go go some ebooks Do it do it giblet something anything knows? It makes no sense why he's doing this I

16:55 It makes no journalistic sense. I really never followed Greenwald, you had him in high regard and maybe you still do. Had a really good perspective. He's he's a progressive He's like a progressive libertarian, which is there's plenty of them in fact I was thinking about this recently the only difference between the conservative Libertarians You know the Ron Pauls and those types and that Progressive Libertarians are essentially There's two if they ever can break through these to topics There's just two topic separating these monstrous groups

17:34 progressives and conservatives. And the two topics are abortion and global warming. Those two are the barriers for these two guys to be exactly the same. Getting together and changing everything, but they can't... These phony topics and I would say both of them were phony. I think that global warming thing is a distraction bullcrap And I think the abortion argument has got nothing to do with politics no it shouldn't be in there It only has to do with politics. I think yeah But Greenwald, I'm surprised

18:11 Because I of course you know you respect someone. I'm going to give this guy the benefit the doubt, but I'm sorry III cannot do that anymore It makes no sense because he's a media whore yes He's a total only reason shit though That is the reason and you know then the whole setup with it with the stylized video? I mean he didn't break it The guy didn't go to him the guy went to them to the video chick oh Or she went to him. Actually, they also went to the Washington Post way early and the post wouldn't do anything with the story until Greenwald did right so this whole thing is a little green green walled greenwalled ringwall yeah he was kind of it he was that kind of go-to guy to get does it just gets some attention to the store bring some attention in the story and then so you could think

18:59 They could blow it out. Well, did they give him like a bonus to keep doing? I don't think anything is like go do more He's like how do I have to get up some little product out of there you know No because he's a long 30 page interview make it into an e-book and sell for five bucks You make some money And here's the thing that gets me where was Glenn in 2008 when he was writing for salon in 2008 he was covering this kind of stuff when Shia LaBeouf And I don't know if you saw this, this has been going around the YouTube so i want to make sure we played it. Who is an actor apparently who I've never heard of was on the... Of course I don't know these things Was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, I've heard of him Promoting the movie Eagle Eye which also don't remember Have you seen his video? This clip

18:11 Because I of course you know you respect someone. I'm going to give this guy the benefit the doubt, but I'm sorry III cannot do that anymore It makes no sense because he's a media whore yes He's a total only reason shit though That is the reason and you know then the whole setup with it with the stylized video? I mean he didn't break it The guy didn't go to him the guy went to them to the video chick oh Or she went to him. Actually, they also went to the Washington Post way early and the post wouldn't do anything with the story until Greenwald did right so this whole thing is a little green green walled greenwalled ringwall yeah he was kind of it he was that kind of go-to guy to get does it just gets some attention to the store bring some attention in the story and then so you could think

18:59 They could blow it out. Well, did they give him like a bonus to keep doing? I don't think anything is like go do more He's like how do I have to get up some little product out of there you know No because he's a long 30 page interview make it into an e-book and sell for five bucks You make some money And here's the thing that gets me where was Glenn in 2008 when he was writing for salon in 2008 he was covering this kind of stuff when Shia LaBeouf And I don't know if you saw this, this has been going around the YouTube so i want to make sure we played it. Who is an actor apparently who I've never heard of was on the... Of course I don't know these things Was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, I've heard of him Promoting the movie Eagle Eye which also don't remember Have you seen his video? This clip

19:50 No, I don't think so. I remember we had an FBI consultant on the picture telling me that they can use your ADT security box microphone to get your stuff that's going on in your house or OnStar they could shut your car down and he told me that one in five phone calls which you make are recorded and logged And I laughed at him and then played back a phone conversation I'd had two years prior come up to joining the picture the FBI consultant And it was like one of those phone calls, you know what are you wearing type of things. Really? Yes! It was mad weird but... So wait a minute they had a record of you from two years prior to me joining the picture Even being associated with the movie With the movie Well that seems creepy Extremely creepy Wow Yeah Alright Alright well let's wow That's pretty amazing I'm trying to think about what the last four phone calls have been Yeah, what a bang

20:42 So that was 2008. Yeah, Bada Bing laugh it off ha-ha yeah we knew about this all along yeah and so it's to me it's been fascinating to watch how this is being played um there was of course you know this guy was a contractor uh and I've had a couple contractors contact me and say look the only thing The only way the administration really thinks is when you sign up as a contractor, you're essentially signing an NDA. From a legal standpoint, you're nailed and you're screwed. It's no oath! I didn't take no oath. Just signs a contract, you break the contract we'll throw your ass in jail that's how they think so they had a contractor thing on the hill

21:26 the head of recruitment and everything, and I turned it off after this statement. In terms of securing classified information we just don't have an external problem We have an internal one Today, there are nearly 5 million individuals. Five million individuals inside and outside of our government who have been granted security clearances and access to our nation's most sensitive data 1.4 million hold a top-secret security clearance Given the increasing amount of classified information produced and maintained by our government And the increasing number of folks with access to that information We have a real problem on our hands if we can't get this right Yeah no shit Sherlock

22:06 5 million people have clearance. Five million, and we're not one of them! Can you believe it? In that hearing they also discussed the overall corruption which they mentioned a number of times in most of these agencies and they discussed it openly. The Office of Personal Management is what they were talking about was corrupt the NSA was corrupt. This was all brought out in this hearing and... Instead we're on television watching little airplanes with red arrows of how Snowden is flying, it's like a holiday travel itinerary! Are you kidding me? So now they say that they don't did this may not be his final destination the Russians got him out because he probably couldn't have gotten out on anything that didn't have a Russian logo on the side cuz no one's gonna really

23:01 take a chance with starting World War III. Well, there's a couple things that are not being discussed here in relationship to this First of all This happened on Thursday where Russia essentially said F you dollar and did it 270 billion dollar deal with China which will be paid in rubles or shekels or euros or whatever but it won't be dollars then the president comes back with the continuation of the national emergency on Russian fissile material. It's like you can't ignore these things it's like oh yeah? Oh we'll take that I'm gonna continue my national emergency because you got nukes! It's back and forth, it's back and forth...oh yeah well we'll take your Snowden guy. Get your Snowden guy right here. Yeah he is what are you going to do now

23:54 You can't ignore that stuff. So the right now there's a little funny battle so this known of course is just upon in the greater scheme of things but they're gonna have to get rid of him, so they're going either on an Aeroflot plane well I know how they're gonna get rid You think he's gonna push him out the door, which has always been my theory? Well guess who is going to represent him. Let's fly over Greenland now what was it... Who is gonna represent him The name you sent me two weeks ago before Snowden even came out you sent an email and you said this is a name we have to watch And I'm like who the hell is this? And I put into my system Baltazar Garzon Yeah He's gonna represent him

24:42 Think so? Yeah, no this is already out. But see I'm glad somebody's watching this guy because i lost track of him already two weeks later So Baltazar... This guy is a gangster he's a real gangster and he's uh a CIA operative so I have the feeling that he is going to be taken to some place where they can make him pop up whenever they need him too Very similar. I don't think he's gonna go kill Assange, although it is still a possibility But you know this Garzon is there's this guy as if he's a made man He's a total gangster. He's not in jail so She's being protected. I would say CIA NSA doesn't really have that That's not really the racket they're in they just like to send little notes near this in the CSS coins

25:38 It's a beautiful coin. See if it pops open. It has their whole, all that little... Their motto? Well they don't have a motto. It's like shut up or I'll shoot you national security. Well they're part of NSA. They are the enforcement arm Central and it's got the CSS what central security service the CSS CSS yeah, which also means a cascading style sheet. That's right interestingly enough Yes And it has that wait I can't quite read it It's to the letters are too small in old I can't yeah no kidding I can't read what's on there? It says that says United States they sell for that coin you're holding sells for 1899 on eBay

26:27 So for some reason he's got the they've got the Coast Guard. This is the one that's got to be five star The five-star yeah, no I think that's the blood or the crypts one of them has five stars It's the five she has tattoo with five pointed star that guy's but this is a 5 point in Star it Has the key the crypto key and then the torch oh? You got like a marine thing and no Coast Guard says lost guard And I've got a horse and night with the camera horse With a knight top left all right right yet top left tonight with little so with a little North Star This shit is like it. Just when you keep on you yeah, okay? Let me see your wallet oh, I'm sorry I Didn't mean to drop that

27:21 How awesome is this? Hmm, maybe we should put in some water. Put it in some... Yes please! NWT Mint Northwest Territorial Mint hmm oh well They might be good to eat I mean you think that's screwy so Miss Mickey her green card shows up yesterday This thing now I wouldn't let her publish a picture of it because it's got numbers and all kind of like you know Let's not do that. Okay? Yeah, well I said if you want to do that You have to black that out on the back It has so first of all it says to protect your your to protect your card from being used remotely Please always carry it in In the supplied envelope right they got a very cage yeah Surround yet cuz people will activate it yeah

28:12 Yeah, I know it's a problem. But the back of it is just beautiful because it has this magnetic strip and in the magnetic strip her picture is in the magnetic strip and down below all of the presidents heads really minuscule like smaller than pinheads It's maniacal as what it is. It's really maniacal. Wow! Heil! Well here's the challenge coin I want The Hegel one It's the Osama Bin Laden Abbottabad Pakistan Seal Team 6 challenge coin. Wow, does that come with... DevGroose ST6 Does it come with a one-way helicopter ride? No but its got a weird you should actually look at this coin and try to tell me yeah very funny You should tell me whether what is the meaning of the background being two thirds green around there's a ring around in there and bring around the thing has got a background that's 2 3rds green and 1 third white Yeah I don't even want to talk about that coin

29:13 That's not a good coin to have. Probably not really it's not got a GPS device in it that's not is not a good thing so So this debate continues and I think that the way, I'm viewing It just what I'm doing is I'm only looking at okay most people in the media are Controlled by the CIA this all came out with the Church Commission in the 70s This is nothing new we've discussed this many many times And the NSA, they're to be dealt with. Now the CIA, they run a lot of the show as well but we've now put Brennan in place and we've taken some lawyer chick and we've put her in number two so Obama feels kind of safe he's taking the drones away please you know I don't want anyone no we can have anyone having any drones in this fight this is not a good idea So he thinks he can control the military so it was...and I'm on the president side on all this by the way

30:07 I think the guy is running scared and he's just pooping his pants, and he's doing whatever He can and he wants to get...He wants to protect Snowden We need to get Snowden in because we need you know. We need to have him leak more We need to control the guy more information about The NSA please because they've got their own fortress with anti-tank stuff. That's hilarious! For what? For my tank?! Well, they have the area mined... Yeah! Who knows what is going on!? So I'm just going to think that everything is pretty much a CIA operative and so now we have on Sky News, I know you and I both saw this Julian Assange and Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy We presume he could be on the set of Another World for all I know

30:59 And he's there with John Perry Barlow sitting on the couch hanging out. Are you kidding me? I was gonna send Barlow a note saying, hey sit up straight! Sit up straight Barlowe, you're not that old... and Barlow it's so obvious that he's an operative for the CIA That's right i said it You know don't trust this EFF Look I didn't trust them from the day they I reached out to them, they're like oh no we are not interested. And Barlow is lying about that now he tweeted me... I'm so sorry that's the way you remember how it went We didn't have the resources Bullshit! You didn't even look at the case Liar CIA liar Yeah, where do you.. Look here is the problem Personally I actually do trust to some large extent

31:46 the people who are running the NSA. Yeah, okay! What a tell there huh? Yeah yeah and I'm sure you do John. Many of whom i know uh-huh and I trust the underlying faith of the Obama administration to... Whoa! I trust the underlying faith of the Obama industry is what he wanted to say but then he said administration what does the underlying faith What does that mean? I think it's what you're kind of suggesting, which is that Obama is a good guy underneath it all. Although by the way, I'm not buying any of this at this point with Obama being the good guy. I think he got coughed and sold out... He's done! No, I'm not saying he's a good guy. I said I feel for him. He's running scared. He's not running anything. It's not even the same guy from four years ago. This is the other guy. Tag-teamed like the Mexican wrestlers

32:42 So, yeah but why would he compliment the NSA? Because I think we can say that there's a turf war between God knows what groups, but we assume that the people involved in one way or another would be the FBI, CIA, DIA for sure. The NSA and the White House and god knows who else? There may be other players but there is something running amok. And I do believe that Keith, sorry Kaiser Alexander which is the better name for him, with his uniform on. I didn't realize he's still an active member of the military at the same time running... See this guy who has does this guy get any sleep? John! He runs all this stuff. Listen, he has ships and airplanes and troops. He has actual like a whole panzer division or whatever. I didn't know that. I don't know if the guy can order some ships around

33:42 It's pretty amazing, his power. Yeah! Well that's totally out of control now there was a but- There was a couple of uh... Well anyway, I have to go get my printout of my clips because... Yeah no, go get that and i'll just play this 40 seconds of John Perry collaborateur Barlow. And I trust the underlying faith of the Obama administration to a greater extent than I think my colleague does but... Colleague? The point is that they're... Colleague! Colleague?! Assange's his colleague I mean does he understand how much he's giving away this Barlow? He doesn't do a lot of media. I've always wondered about this guy because as far as i know the only thing we know him from is that he wrote like a B-side on a Grateful Dead record and that was like oh it's John Perry Bardot, he wrote for the Grateful Dead! Right?!

34:42 Yeah, and what else has he done? How does he make his money is always hanging around I'm a great guy to hang out with by the way. He is a Rick on tour rack on tour array a wreck contour What is a rec on tour it was a no Iraq on tour. He's a reckoned or a raccoon tour Yes And he is a poet which I think this right but It's not that just being opposed as something that says to be soon to be Well you said it yourself that these poets are dangerous. Hello? Yeah! And he is one and it's the funniest thing, what I like to hang out of because he'll come up with these turns of phrases or some peculiar

35:24 way of thinking about something it's like kind of like what we do on the show only is poetic and so it's like so he gets laid with it is what you're saying oh yeah well hold on a second let's just let's look at the CIA controlled book of knowledge hold on a second that should help all right let's see American poet an essayist retired Wyoming cattle rancher and cyber libertarian, political activist who has been associated with both Democratic and Republican parties. Also a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead and founding member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation He's been a fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet & Society And identified by Time Magazine as one of The School Of Rocks' 10 Super Smart Musicians Oh! I threw up in my mouth... excuse me Really? So how does he make money

36:27 on that EFF thing? Must be. No, cattle rancher. No he's a retired cattle rancher yeah you retired on all the wealth so you made from cattle okay all right I'm sorry i don't know where he makes his money and uh... he does have uh... I do remember I was at some function I think it was an EFF function in San Francisco and Barlow went off on John Poindexter who I think was working for Well he was a former, obviously you know he's the head of uh the National Security Council under Reagan and yet

37:04 He has a lot of connections in the industry, but I couldn't quite fathom what the point was. So you like to make the claim that he's like a CIA handler for Assange in this case? Yeah, a colleague. Do we know that? Why can't he be an NSA guy?! No no no! Why can't he be a DIA guy!? Which makes more sense to me. Well, that's possible but he is sitting with Assange He is with his colleague Assange and he obviously there I mean is he drinking tea? Are they like strategizing about how to break him out? Come on! Barlow lives over here across the bay when he gets back I'm going to go have lunch with him and find out what to do And kick him in the nuts from me

37:53 I have two friends that seem to hate Barlow. You don't hate him, you just think he's a liar. He lies to me. He lied so done! The other one is Greg Pasquale who used to write for the Wall Street Journal issues with Barlow and if the two of them are, I've seen this. If the two of them are in a room together it gets one inch away from becoming a fist fight. Well more importantly you just called me one of your friends and that's appreciated That's a first You might want to retract that Oh poor Adam What bullshit

38:39 Let's get a jingle about that. No, let's not no no no let's not get a jingle about that there'll be another thing with the middle of the night I All right can i play some? Let me play something so here's a McLaughlin group again And the McLaughlin group is just part of the Stasi system meant to make us feel good about all this. It's all good, no matter who is doing the spying... and rehearsed! ...and rehearsed and scripted This is Mortimer What's his name again?

39:16 Suckerman? The guy who's on the... Zuckerberg. Yeah, Mortimer Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg! The old grouch there. Mortimer Zuckerberg Oh no you're talking about Buchanan No not Pat Buchanan, Morty. He's the old grouch. Nooo the other guys are a grouch too. Yeah Mort, Mort and Zucker. Mort, Mort and Zucker whatever. Of three who were expelled after 20 years or so having served in that position at Snowden Health and they were innocent, and they are innocent. And their grievances are for Americans to read about so we ought to hold off on judging Snowden Do you agree with that? No I do not. I do think what Snowden did is definitely detrimental to the security of this American country. By that i mean if 50 terrorist attacks were in one form or another deterred or exposed

40:06 Just think of what this country would be like if you had one major terrorist attack, like you had in Boston every month in this country. You would change the whole tenor of life in this country! So it is absolutely critical for the government to put in enough security measures to block these and that's what we're going to be facing and its gonna be a very very challenging time but we must find a way to make sure that terrorist attacks do not become, y'know, the regular fare of what this country to deal with. Yes, yeah! What evidence does he have that this is becoming the regular fare of anything? Well he has the 50 ways to block your terrorist and that's what he's basing it on. He said it right there you know there was fifty so in the course of a year we won every single week this is how he extrapolates it what is that what is the capital Ecuador? Is it Quito? It starts with a q.

40:59 Yeah. Que- no, no... What is it? Keto or it's keto I think. Uh... Keto! Yes, keto. Keto. There you go. That's exactly what I said! Yes, John. I'm here at the Kido International Airport where Snowden should be arriving any minute now from Moscow... Oh, okay! Is he coming with his gang of thugs to kill Assange? No, he's coming with a WikiLeaks representative as you know WikiLeaks is now a corporation they have an entire PR arm and this fantastic... They go to those same meetings with Al Qaeda. Yes they do in fact they seem to share office space and like to hang out together at Starbucks

41:37 So we're just awaiting his arrival here, John. You can see the arrows on the screen as his flight will be here shortly I'll let you know if we are learning anymore Thank you Adam He's officially requested asylum in Ecuador What did i predict? Yeah no... Wow gee And we caught that-I just want to mention because it is in the red book Because we caught it as an aside If you remember from some commentator who seemed a little sketchy, who just dropped the two names Ecuador and Iceland. And Iceland just had a meeting about this by the way i don't know what came of it but i think they... But i think Ecuador has always been the target because that's where Assange is going to end up. Yeah well there have to be negotiations and Assange and this guy are gonna get together and then done! But he's still in heart attack

42:35 Yeah, I hardly think that's it. And then Gabba sent you that note saying no there is no way the guy is a loser! That guy is a plant! Who was going to send me a note? No, you already got the note. You read about three shows ago. Some guy in JSOC. He didn't say he was a loser just said that he hadn't done any special training. He doesn't know that for a fact. Okay... He doesn't know the guy, he's just gone on based on news reports. Okay okay The guy could be the stealth assassin. We don't know who he is. Let's just back it up for a second and I'll be done with this topic because I don't know what else we can say All i know is that Wikileaks inserted itself into the process after the fact

43:20 Okay, so this wasn't a WikiLeaks project. It wasn't leaked on WikiLeaks it went to the same channels the same same Way because WikiLeaks you know there wasn't all this Bradley Manning didn't send stuff to WikiLeaks that was published on the web No was published in The New York Times in built and in The Guardian before anything else And it was all redacted and they talked to the State Department. So we deduced and concluded that it was clearly some form of psychological operation, IECIA. This guy comes out of the woodwork through a dubious channel at best, a paid for channel

43:59 And the Wikileaks is like, oh yeah we're tweeting about him. Yeah! We got a representative with him. Like what? Since Wikileaks now has reps coaches like media coaches What is this I didn't just wake up yesterday and find... Media Coaches Yeah I mean come on what is Wikipedia now? I mean uh the Wikileaks What is it now Is it Assange? Is it a whole organization who's running it Where as The Office Who takes care of this Who's the liaison Or just some guy puts on the WikiLeaks t-shirt and says, hey I'm here. I'm here to take you! How does this work? Come on... There's a lot more going on and for people that just accept this at face value and say yeah WikiLeaks is helping him out No no no back up So what do you think Barlow is doing there

44:52 I just found it peculiar. You're a news guy, we both worked in and around this business in news and you are going to do an interview with the guy, this is Sky News where this showed up. So Sky News is gonna do an interview with Assange so they started off with a two shot Now, when has this happened so far with any interview with Assange? No. Usually it's a piece of crap interview you know sometimes on Skype and sometimes you know with the camera there they obviously set up shop in the Ecuadorian embassy because that was a professional setup it was well lit

45:30 the mic was well my it was a horrible shot you were looking right in there in their crotch it was well stupidest shot ever and started about the lighting in the mike yeah and then they should give us a two-shot that your bitching about well so thats what im bitching about whats the point of a 2 shot with some guy thats got nothing to do with this sitting there I believe it was to send a message yes and the message I don't know what my takeaway is Hello, we're from the CIA. We're still supporting Assange were still supporting WikiLeaks and And we're supporting Snowden so it could only be a message I don't see any other reason was I agree? I don't know if that what you use surmise is the exact message

46:16 I mean it could also be... Either that or Jerry Garcia is coming back. We've got this guy covered, we'll shoot him in a minute It could be a million different messages Your message is the idealistic one, its'a good message if it was true But im not convinced that this is CIA but I agree 100% there's no reason to do that shot Unless it's a message? Unless it's a message That's the same thing with Clooney and the guy who's always hanging around him Because it's just to let everyone know that Clooney has not gone off the rails. Pendergrass. There are guys here to make sure that Clooney doesn't do anything dumb. Pendergrass. He is an actor after all!

46:53 Pendergrass that guy. Yeah, that guy did this right so I think that but what the message is clear to everyone who needs to know it You know this is our guy right? It's like the number 33 yeah Yeah, you know what it means no when his shows up what he knew at that moment We don't know again Again we're not in the loop Now we're just guessing that will do we were guessing in an intelligent way that I think the public Need to at least have some second thoughts about a lot of this stuff And I think that you know these kinds of things they stand out like sore thumbs You do not do an interview with Julian Assange about Snowden with the third party sitting there. You just don't no No, it made no sense other than messaging and Barlow's a great guy he's very recognizable

47:44 And I think in the intelligence community, he says lots of people I know at the NSA. Well isn't that a what better reason to sit him next to Assange and then say I know people in the NSA and yeah Obama's okayed the underlying principle so who is he working for? Well I'd say CIA or maybe DIA but CIA makes a lot more sense from the WikiLeaks perspective Maybe yeah, because your thesis is that the whole thing is a CIA operation. Well it's not meant some level I mean, I don't know if the people working there know that most people that work for a CIA operation Don't find out until It's like you know late years later to what do they read the book? Stooges

48:36 I could have got paid a lot more money if i'd known what was going on. Yeah cheap bastards yeah all right well so, I went...I was spending my time on a very interesting and entertaining hearing actually the caucus when I see one of these things on c-span I really pay attention because this is the real deal this is the thing you really want to watch in its entirety and this group the Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee. The what? The Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee, these things these are committees that talk in private generally to all the top eight

49:22 aides of the congressmen and senators. And so you look at the audience, it's all kids. It's an old fart. There is an old guy, I think that's the best work I could get in but there are mostly young women who are ambitious and a lot of guys and policy wonks the places filled to the gills these d when you get to see one of these one of these advisory committees meet with over that current event topic these things are the other their people hanging off the rafters and this was on nsa data collection man and they had uh... number of people there they had a guy from kato they had a by a c l u woman who is nervous wrecked he had that the old privacy expert from the dh s is now a privacy attorney

50:04 who led the thing, Mary Ellen Callahan and she was very very interesting. And they discussed all the crap that was going on and I want to play just to give you a sense of this and i can play a couple different clips but the clip that got my real attention is the actual causes clip which I have here that discuss besides an obvious FBI lie they discussed, remember that oh the stock market they're gonna blow up this stock exchange. Yeah this was a guy again enticed and they had a... It's even more interesting than that This guy speaking is Julian Sanchez from Cato who has his very East Coast

50:47 kind of preppy weird accent that is a little off-putting but he's classic Washington DC style talker. talker and he's from Cato which is a conservative think tank that doesn't really support any of this stuff even though the conservatives in the Republican Party and all the talk show guys do but they did Cato doesn't seem to. He explains all these cases that were brought out including one that we never discussed essentially the 50 cases that Kaiser Alexander brought up yeah he says they're all bullshit, they're all bullshit And then when you start looking at exactly what that means, you say well how many of those was 215 actually used specifically this metadata program? It says well the majority we believe so 6 or 7. Then what are those cases? Well the cases they describe one involved

51:37 finding someone who had been donating money to Shabab, the Ethiopian terror group and of course you know absolutely find and prosecute those people but that's not exactly a terror plot foiled. And it is not clear in that case why the same thing could not have been achieved using traditional tools like subpoenas and targeted pen registers and records orders Najib al-Azazi who appears to have been identified through link to known terrorist email address already being monitored. Whatever use was made of 215 later, again not clear why a more targeted use of that would not have been possible. There was this other case involving a supposed plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange. Was it a serious plot? Deputy Director Sean Joyce for the FBI says well, the jury thought it was serious because they were all convicted as it turns out there wasn't a jury trial they were not convicted of plotting

52:33 These were people who were convicted again of material support for a terrorist organization, meaning assistance money. And the New York Stock Exchange Part of it appears to have involved the fact that the U.S. person involved in this case, um, sort of scoped out several tourist targets, didn't provide very useful information and it appears to have been abandoned. The US attorney who worked that case said there was no specific plot so I think we should treat with some skepticism if these are the showpiece cases they're bringing up to justify the bulk collection

53:11 phone and possibly internet records, it's not clear that is a justification that passes that cost-benefit test. This is very important clip you just shared with us John because with the $200 million dollar a year budget the world's news organization CNN was not able to put together what Kaiser Alexander said and the facts as they are presented here to say, to present to the world that maybe there is some bull crap going on here. Yeah I know when i heard that clip I said why...I've never heard this anywhere I'm listening to it in this caucus but its or this committee and it's like

54:00 How hard is it to just take that down word for word? In fact, I may turn into a column just by quoting that guy. Oh no! No no no no no you will not You are NOT going to write any column like that First of all, you can put it in the book right now. You write that column and it will not get published. Guarantee it! Guarantee it! It will not get published. It'll be something like... Oh I'm sorry, the iPhone 5S is coming out we had to make space for your column this week. We didn't have room for your column this week. I know its the internet but we didn't really have space for it sorry

54:39 Yeah, I can guarantee it. And I don't want you doing that because that puts our whole operation in jeopardy You can't put that on a legit news site Bring it up to do a legit Market watch you can't do that. Don't wait for market watch anymore they already got rid of me Oh really? Thanks to this show no doubt Oh no man. So now we have another clip that's going to Callahan Good clip, good clip by the way. It was a great clip. No no it could be I could give you posthumously. It happens when it happens. I just wanted to say that all of these clips are available in the show notes will be 524 dot NA show notes dot com You go to Clips and Stuff

55:21 And there you can find JCD and in his little folder there, you'll have all of his clips. You can even load it on your phone and then when someone says, Hey man! We could have like 50 terrorist strikes a year every single week? We could be dead from people blowing up the stock exchange It will crash our entire economy There would be no money coming out of ATMs People should be freaking out man we cant do this security for liberty or whatever I don't care we can do this yeah that is the opening clip for the show mark it down mark the time one hour one hour hold on a second how did we get to an hour off? Can we stop your clips and thanks some producers so we can just or should you want to finish uh i think let's be better thanks yeah this is in fact this is how you do it. You do the great opening tease everyone's all hot and horny for the show boom bring in the people who pay for the show

56:15 Yeah, in fact I do have the spreadsheet loaded. We do have a number of executive producers today and we want to thank them all. Where's the one at the top? And by the way... Hello! This is great value for value. We just gave you something that not a single news organization has done and we've put it together for you right here You can take this information say it's bullshit It's simply not true The Kaiser wear no clothes Yeah, no. The thing about those 50... Oh the big 50! You know it's such.. It just was you know I'm really glad that this guy This Cato guy gave us a real outline in fact one of them the first one about the guys just sending some money overseas and thats a big terrorist plot Remember like I did? Send some money to my daughter got rejected because of oh terrorists use foreign language

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1:11:42 But the one that was, I thought this Callahan woman ex-DHS woman she made the commentary on damages to the American image and i thought it was quite good. To our image? Interesting. I'm going to use a little discretion and just talk, um...I have three points that i want to highlight one having gone to 20 EU member states to talk about government information sharing in my role as the US Department of Homeland Security's chief privacy officer where Okay can you say something for just an observation? She is really full of herself

1:12:22 She's a very happy woman. I said, oh don't worry business record rules are only used 21 times in 2009 and only used 96 times in 2010. I'm going to tell you the relationships with the European Union and with the European Commission are likely irreparably damaged. Um...I use to go and say no no believe me! Don't worry it's gonna be fine And they say, we don't believe you. You lied to us about Guantanamo. You lied to us about rendition. So now they've got a third one in there. I think that our relations with the European Commission particularly the non-national security portion of it is going to be a problem and candidly our relationship with European citizens is going to be a problem. I also think that the concept of trust in government and the concept of transparency has been harmed

1:13:12 And that the, particularly the nine name companies but at the same time elements, the other companies that are operating in this space will have a cloud over their heads of saying well are you participating in this? How much are you giving? What is the access? It seems to be awfully clear. So I think the point on transparency that has been a theme among my panelists is going to have to be an element we've got to develop because to affect the Internet economy something and privacy I call it the ik factor. You can't define it but people go That seems icky to me and I fear that the ick factor may color both the private sector economy as well as the government use of this data. For a minute there, I thought that there was going to be real problem like people didn't want to watch Superman Man Of Steel or The Kardashians. Oh we got nothing to worry about! Your cynicism is funny because everybody kind of agreed with her but there's one guy at the end who says well I'm gonna play the devil's advocate and I'll just summarize it so you don't have to listen

1:14:12 These clips are long. He says, you know it's a lot of lip service because these governments in the EU they love our data we're sharing with them we're trading data and the public... They're idiots! They're just a bunch of slaves they don't care Wait wait do you have this in clip form? No, I'm just summarizing what his real story is. He didn't say slaves... Oh okay! And he says and what damage is being done to Google? People are still using it nobody cares. This is exaggerated It is that's what I thought for a second like oh my god people won't be they're gonna stop using Google they're gonna stop watching you know we were at Halcyon yesterday and it was very funny some friends of ours who haven't seen in awhile

1:15:03 But we only don't know him that super well, but we're getting to know them quite well. I like him a lot he's a lobbyist here in Austin and he is a funny one you know it's like actually he is perfect for no agenda because he knows he's in totally evil business and doesn't really feel good about it. His wife who is sick oh yeah now his wife She's a fascinating woman. She looks like Cleopatra Jones, you know she got the fro, she's black, she got the fro and he just went oh, expect her to pull a gun on ya at any minute I don't know what happened but all of sudden she was like can you believe that they named that child Cadence? I'm like what are you talking about? And it took me awhile and it dawned on me she was talking abou

1:15:55 That the, I guess the thing was that they had to come up with a K name for Kanye and Kim's kid. Yeah. Did you know this? Do you know that they called it Cadence? Wow! I think it was...I mean just couldn't avoid finding out because of the way I'm doing searches. They kept propping up as like the top distraction of the week. And I don't care. We went to see a movie Star Trek? Or not Star Trek, I mean the new Superman. No no man no there's a documentary out and it is a pro-nuclear documentary oh yeah this movie

1:16:40 Do you know what the title of it is? It's called Buy Nukes Today. That's correct, it's Pandora's Promise and it was playing at one theater here in Austin so about 20 minutes drive. It's an alternative distribution system where about five theaters in the world get to play the movie then it shows up on link TV at 2 in the morning and then that's the end of it well So this documentary was playing at a Cineplex And we go there, uh... And you said there were only two people in the room? Well we went there and the place was packed. No! Packed I tell you Yes because The Bling Ring was playing next door that's the Paris Hilton movie Oh so all these people just scrounged their way to get a free showing for this video? No no what i'm saying is that the Cineplex was packed

1:17:24 Oh, the cineplex was packed. Okay you're confusing me! Yeah well if you're being such a shit about the movie won't let me even give my review I'm gonna trick you yes we were the only two people in the theater that this has never happened to me we were the only two people but then what other movies playing there was packed the bling ring you know the Paris Hilton movie and so we're in this now and Mickey I love this woman to death because if we had not wanted to see this, we would have walked out after 20 minutes And we would have walked out after the ads I can't believe they wasted actual electricity on showing ads to us because we were the only two people. We were making comments, hooting and hollering because there was no one in the theater and still every 15 minutes some dude would come by to make sure that we were obeying the rules. Not dead! So Pandora's Promise

1:18:18 Which was financed by a couple of Silicon Valley people Richard Branson's in there the budget was about a million five Let me tell you, not only should they have given that money to us because we make... We have done better for the nuclear movement pro-nuclear movement on this show than this movie ever will. They need to take that movie burn every single print burn every poster pretend it never happened ever! It is the worst piece of crap I could not believe Nuclear energy is over

1:18:54 if they don't realize how wrong this movie was. And it's filled with great facts, it really is! With nothing that you haven't heard on this show previously... But I'm convinced there was someone in there who was actually evil and putting stuff into make you still kind of second guess I mean it was like a bunch of academics sat down and were like, oh John... That's a good trick by the way. What? That's a good trick! Well but let me say if they gave us another million to re-edit it get Woody Harrelson there'd be no voiceover. To get Woody Harrelson to do a voice over their main character was Stuart Brand

1:19:36 Okay, Stuart Brand the whole earth guy. Yes So the idea was the idea of the premise was first of all Pandora's Promise It's like you're expecting I got it this shit's gonna fly off the screen I'm gonna want to go out and put a backyard nuke in this is gonna be great The premise is, here's these environmentalists who are extremely anti-nuke all their life. And they are taken on a journey which we never see their journey and they're never positioned because it says Stuart Brand editor founder of Whole Earth Catalog like anyone under 50 knows what that means

1:20:13 It's stupid. And then there are a couple other guys, so there is no positioning of who they are and there is no real journey... it got so bad where instead of... by the way its distributed by CNN Films which is why sucks so bad, why sucks complete balls because instead of showing what actually going on which is that public being indoctrinated and tricked into thinking that nuclear is like bombs and you're going to die um you know by the media because the media is doing it and they're doing it mainly for whorish reasons because it's sexy to you know oh oh the fish are gonna be radiated oh we're all gonna die and they have all the counterpoints neatly lined up in the movie instead of doing that, they actually at some point said

1:21:02 Well, it's very coincidental that the same language that is used against nuclear energy is what the global warming skeptics use. I'm like are you kidding me? But are you kidding me?! It was like... You just turned me into a hater! Let me just tell you a couple things that were great in the movie. Some things that I think they did very well, so they spent the money on traveling They went to Chernobyl and they took a Geiger counter which at this point The movie is so poorly made You're thinking the Geiger counters fake

1:21:38 They're on the airplane, they're showing background radiation. The airplane is 20 times higher than on the ground in Chernobyl. They are giving you the real facts and they are showing documents from the World Health Organization and UNSCR. Because most people think a million people died from Chernobyl, where it was really like 20. And maybe 500 people died earlier but it was like a weapons grade thing you know? It wasn't protected... all these things that are completely unknown no one died from Three Mile Island then they show Fukushima where there's no radiation and

1:22:20 And I'm not even going to fight this because they had such an opportunity to do this right. The French are just laughing at us because 80% of all their energy is from nuclear, so they got all these beautiful things and show the actual amount of all the nuclear waste in the United States – if you put it all together. it would fit on one football field and the amount of nuclear energy that is hot or nuclear waste that is hot would fit on 1 10th of one yard line, of all ever used ever produced. And then they show you know how a breeder reactor reuses its fuel and then the best thing...and this this is where it freaked me out like someone sabotaged this

1:23:05 So they've got this, do you remember the IFR reactor? This was I think 94 maybe or yeah it must have been... I vaguely remember. I think we even talked about it once No no no, 94! We certainly weren't talking about it then. No no, I think we talked about this technology so they had the IFR reactor and Cary was the guy They only showed him like a c-span clip of him kiboshing the IFR reactor And what they did is they showed these tests where they cut all the power, every power. Everything was caught off no backup generators nothing and this thing shuts itself down and then they pull the plug on like the water or whatever things shuts itself down completely it shuts itself down that's a technology of the IFR reactor and meltdown as impossible we have talked about this on the show but in the guy who did

1:23:58 who's now 60, 70 years old and he saying yeah no we showed it. We had the press right there and the thing shut down we did this this thing shut down And then the interviewer asked him so this thing could never meltdown? And the way that guy answered was like No I was like oh my god couldn't you ask the fucking question again?! And put it in... Mickey and I looked at each other were like that wasn't very convincing It was like the money shot of the movie and then they leave that in there. Now this was sabotaged, it's a piece of crap and they should never send that money to us please we could do a million-and-a-half annual budget that would be really nice and we'll spread the facts about nuclear energy This was so sad

1:24:51 And we would have walked out if it hadn't been... You didn't have to watch it for the show. No So you sacrificed yourself when you could've gone next door to watch the Paris Hilton movie Yeah! But also, I was so sad. I was so incredibly sad that here's this opportunity... They're in a real movie theater! If you put this online and people are like, oh man, you gotta see this video. No one will even send it to you! It's so crap. We'll never hear from it again. So they made a movie with a million dollar budget and they're not going to make money on it? That's great.

1:25:34 It's not about making money, they're not going to convince anybody. The whole thing sounds like a fiasco! It is a total fiasco and... And they talk about backyard nukes? The possibility that you can make it into little bitty things now that could power your house for... Man I just touched on it lightly. 100 years?! John we could take the raw material get Woody Harrelson do the voiceover and we could turn it into a blockbuster, but you'd have to put in all this stuff to show how the media is lying. And of course they will not get distributed in theaters or will not get any promotion now that's getting any promotion now It would be great but the nuclear industry there's money in this industry right I mean there are hundreds if not billions millions billions of dollars being spent on nuclear and nuclear uh... industry Are you guys insane?

1:26:27 Are you out of your fucking minds? This- You've got the definition of renewable energy. By the way, loved a little tidbit in there that all these wind farms and solar farms they all have gas pipes running up to them because they basically are gas fired installations in disguise I thought that was pretty cool I don't know anything about this. Neither did I, so you have a wind farm but of course when the wind is not blowing you still want to produce some energy and then they open up the gas pipe and then the turbines are rolling basically just selling gas! I didn't know that either it's that was a revelation to me if you look at all the wind farms in solar farms almost all them have a gas-fired plant right there on the premises to make up for when the sun is not shining or the winds not blowing

1:27:18 So there was tons of good information, but it was completely sabotaged and I can't believe... And they never really made the point that hello we live in a petrochemical world. The oil and coal industries are so huge they own everything! They own the media they own all of the politicians. They couldn't even bring themselves to say it let alone insinuate it no it was the global warming the globe climate change deniers Stupid, stupid, stupid idiots. Stupid! Now the Creative Work Consulting Group is of course available at any time should you want to know how to do this. Yeah we're listed. We're in the book. Send us an email and were ready to go. Ready to kill some time. So that is a very disappointing... Very, very, very disappointing because I'm pro-nuke

1:28:14 I'm pro backyard nuke. Yeah, well we're never gonna get there at this rate No Never! Never! Sad Well you were right by the way it was a good job of getting the Hastings story off the front page It's like now gone Oh yeah So that's the end of that And then they gave him a little snipe They sniped at him in The New York Times which i thought was funny with his O-bit I might have... oh I might have the clip of the day You give me the o bit What's the Well I have a clip of the Obit. Oh, very nice! What you got? It's the Hastings' Obit clip. The widow of journalist Michael Hastings is firing back at the New York Times after the paper published an obituary that left a sour taste in readers mouths. The Times obituary had cast doubt on the accuracy of Hastings profile of General Stanley McChrystal

1:29:06 It read, an inquiry into the article by the Defense Department Inspector General the next year found insufficient evidence of wrongdoing by the general his military aides and civilian advisors. The inspector general's report also questioned the accuracy of some aspects of the article which was repeatedly defended by Mr Hastings and Rolling Stone. Zach what do you make of this? Do you give the benefit of doubt? to roll this time. Certainly, I mean if you go through the Inspector General report that they're referring to there of course the inspector general doesn't confirm every last detail that Michael Hastings got in his report because the people who said things that were inflammatory and controversial in the report aren't just going to turn around and tell the IG yes I did that and the military should fire me for doing so Wait is that only way to corroborate it? Surely the inspector general talks to a third party's don't he

1:29:51 Certainly, I think so. And if you go through the report you can actually see that people... The IG actually says in many circumstances we confirmed that the basic substance of the exchange took place but perhaps not in a precise context which Hastings portrayed them I think it's absurd to look at an IG report and say, okay it is supposed to corroborate every detail of an incredibly damning story about the government. The IG is trying to get to the truth on these things but they are conducting investigation after another journalistic investigation has taken place. The evidence will be different a year or several months after the actual story comes out

1:30:29 and that's basically what the i g report said i think the times is really grossly mischaracterizing this and has grossly mischaracterized it for a long time as as a report that somehow cleared mccrystal and military leadership in afghanistan of any of the charges that actually took place here that that world that were launched in the uh... that they hastings people are with us on still at that i just mistaken or do you think that they're just trying to have political military line You know it's hard to know I mean as a journalist, I will say it really does suck when you cover something for a long time and then some punk comes in and just blows up all your reporting and does a much better job than you. Salad grapes! Salad grapes from the times! Yeah but that's what- when you get your clock cleaned like that you just kind of suck it up and say well that was a great story move on

1:31:09 I think the Times really seems to have really, this has been the editorial position of the newsroom for a long time. The piece they have on the IG report which is years old now still says you know that the IG report clears McChrystal and that's not what the IG report did So I think the edit, for whatever reason The Times just has journalists that have interpreted this scene a lot differently than Hastings and Rolling Stone have. And you know they can write whatever obituary they want but ultimately most people remember the Hastings piece and the Hastings piece had more impact on public debate rather than the obituaries. Right...and maybe an obit is not the place to air that sort of stuff anyway Right. Yeah, so the times are happy they're like oh good riddance to that a-hole Exactly yeah So here's a here's a clip from January 2012 when Hastings released his book he was promoting it on I think this is Russia Today and

1:32:03 and he was still a young, hopeful chipper and enthusiastic journalist full of idealistic views. It almost seems like anytime someone comes out and says something that goes against the mainstream narrative they're exiled as some sort of heretic I don't see that really changing do you? Well i think the way to change it is back in the day if you did something like this I would have been hammered and buried. But now there's enough other outlets out where you can actually defend you, who will put you on TV, who puts you on the radio show, who will support you on Twitter, Facebook, social media so that there is a golden age to resist against this but it's an uphill battle

1:31:09 I think the Times really seems to have really, this has been the editorial position of the newsroom for a long time. The piece they have on the IG report which is years old now still says you know that the IG report clears McChrystal and that's not what the IG report did So I think the edit, for whatever reason The Times just has journalists that have interpreted this scene a lot differently than Hastings and Rolling Stone have. And you know they can write whatever obituary they want but ultimately most people remember the Hastings piece and the Hastings piece had more impact on public debate rather than the obituaries. Right...and maybe an obit is not the place to air that sort of stuff anyway Right. Yeah, so the times are happy they're like oh good riddance to that a-hole Exactly yeah So here's a here's a clip from January 2012 when Hastings released his book he was promoting it on I think this is Russia Today and

1:32:03 and he was still a young, hopeful chipper and enthusiastic journalist full of idealistic views. It almost seems like anytime someone comes out and says something that goes against the mainstream narrative they're exiled as some sort of heretic I don't see that really changing do you? Well i think the way to change it is back in the day if you did something like this I would have been hammered and buried. But now there's enough other outlets out where you can actually defend you, who will put you on TV, who puts you on the radio show, who will support you on Twitter, Facebook, social media so that there is a golden age to resist against this but it's an uphill battle

1:32:48 The reason why the response was so severe in my case or in a case like WikiLeaks with Bradley Manning and Julian Assange is because they want to set an example. They want to show, oh no you can't do this. You can actually report what powerful people say. You can try to write as accurately and truthfully about these people because if you do then you will be exiled But that's no longer the case. And in fact, what I've tried to do and show with this book is look... Yeah, I'm still alive. I'm still standing. They haven't put a drone strike out on me yet. I'm not in Gitmo. You know? How sad is that?! That's terrible! What a clip!! They haven't put me in Gitmo. They haven't put a drone strike out on me yet. They have killed me. He's dead. Yeah, and now he's dead. Oh my.... Now, I've received several reports

1:33:39 And this of course is all, you know, oh it's crazy conspiracy theory talk. But the word is that this possibly could have been a small drone strike and if you look at the... Well before you go on I want to report because I've got a lot through all these things as many as I could and all the reports from the neighbors said it sounded like a bomb went off. Explosion, exactly! Now I live on a hill where there was a terrible intersection and not an intersection but a freeway exit that had route they took it out but it had routinely had one or two wrecks

1:34:26 Week where somebody was drunk or they were going too fast and they tried to get off on this exit And they just plow into the pole right and it happened week after week I knew it has, and I can also hear wrecks on the free. There's a distinctive sound To a car crash that is not in explosion Right? It's in fact. Yeah exactly say oh car wreck Very distinctive. So when all these witnesses are saying, oh it sounded like an explosion I thought the car had a bomb in it It could have had a bomb in it Well here's... so I got a lot of and from some of our younger producers actually who sent me academic speeches videos on YouTube And you can go watch the whole thing Here is one minute from this is Steven

1:35:15 Chekaway from University of California San Diego and the work that they did, this is 2011 on compromising automobiles through multiple ways. We have vehicle to vehicle communications for things like crash avoidance The final category that we considered was long-range wireless communication where here we're considering attackers who are able to send signals over miles or even at a global scale So we have a bunch of digital radio signals like HD Radio or satellite radio that can transmit over a number of miles. And telematics units are becoming common in basically every car, every manufacturer either has one or is making one and these are used for things like roadside assistance or automatic crash reporting. Now I'm going to talk about several of these that we actually attacked

1:36:14 In particular, we were able to compromise the diagnostic tool media player Bluetooth and cellular. And to be clear every single one of these that we looked at led to a complete car compromise doing everything that we showed in the previous work including doing things like disabling the brakes. This is great speech you gotta see this thing And just as an adjunct to these clips or this concept, play the clip does the FBI use drones? Mueller. Does the FBI owner currently use drones and if so for what purpose? Yes and for surveillance. Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?

1:37:01 I want to go on to a question. Let me just put it in context, very very minimal way That's right only one car at a time and minimal way minimal way But you like the way he says yes, and then starts thinking about his answer So the shadow hawk is what is being suggested? The shadow hawk uh, might be the kind of drone that could carry could be weaponized just enough to blow up a vehicle. And with certainly one that is has its brakes disabled and maybe the accelerator is being punched down

1:37:41 I mean, I'm sorry. Call me a conspiracy theorist! You're a conspiracy theorist? You're crazy! Yes, yes I am keep it up but if someone gives you a CD and says hey play that in your car don't do it That is one of the ways that's exactly what this speech is about Is that they could burn a WMA file that would play perfectly, but the minute you put it in your car player it releases a virus. It causes a core dump and boom they've gotten hold of the entire system. It's kind of scary. I can see that especially like Fords have this. They're using... Shhh! X-Nay on the Ord Faye. They're using Microsoft. But that's after 2005 right?

1:38:32 I don't know when they started using this. We don't have, please say yes Adam after 2005 Yes Adam after 2005 i believe! we don't have the sink touch or whatever you got to be clunker with the old school with really big knobs okay that's probably okay yeah and yes thank you now this is horrible It's just totally, totally horrible. Here was... here is DARPA. Good afternoon! Right so we've been hearing a lot today about the importance of improving computer security as Dan just alluded to though it's not just traditional computers that we need to worry about there are many other kinds of systems as well

1:39:17 The slide that's been omitted showed a result of the researchers at UCSD and the University of Washington hacking into the dashboard display of a typical American sedan, making it show that the car was going 140 miles an hour while in park. To link down a little bit modern vehicles consisted between 30 and 100 embedded control units which are essentially small computers connected via CAN bus These cars are required by law to have a diagnostic port, typically located under the steering wheel that allows mechanics to download diagnostic information and perform software updates. In the first paper, researchers from UCSD and University of Washington showed if they could touch the CAN bus through that diagnostic port they could take over all functionality in the car controlled by software. And in modern automobile it's pretty much everything

1:40:06 The brakes are controlled by software because of antilock braking. The acceleration is controlled by software because of cruise control, and those fancy new cars that can park themselves even the steering is under software control. Enough said! I don't think we have to go any further Well how about this? Remember when they had all these Toyotas that were going out of control, you know just all the accelerators? This was actually just a test run of some people trying to hack into these systems and getting...you know making mistakes or just playing around. And! Because it never made any sense It was going on for...everyone remembers this. It never gets revisited by the media

1:40:45 The Toyotas were going out of control day after day. Let's be specific, Toyota Prius. Car of your typical Obama bot? Exactly! It is the car that Obama bots. It would get a stuck accelerator and they'd be like, oh what am I going to do? And it was like you know... They never got to the bottom of it. Floor mat! They never figured out which caused it. Yeah there was a floor mat then they decided that and then it just stopped magically stopped same floor mats Now it magically stopped because... We of course assumed there was some way of gouging Toyota by the government to extort money which is still a valid idea but who knows that the government wasn't setting these things into high speed. Well, it appears to me if you put all the pieces together and its very hard often for people

1:41:41 You know, they think it's like science fiction. When you hear going back to the beginning of this program and you hear Russell Tice say oh no I did all my spying from space so yeah and then it is very easy we just beam down whatever we need to do. We talk to your Sirius satellite radio or your Bluetooth something and then we just take over control of your car. I'm happy! I like our old cars. Keep that Lexus John don't get anything new nothing keep the Lexus I'll get a hot rod next yeah nice little 35 Ford a hot rod don't you think I should be like the old fart in a hot rod that would be pretty sexy girls

1:42:28 Really? Hey girls, do you think that still works? Yeah sure. With the exposed engine pipes with the pipes coming out. The chrome pipes hanging out right all right and you've got the fenderless wheels of course oh yeah because yeah you can do that if the car's under a certain weight you don't need fenders right so it throws dirt everywhere I think this is I envision you in like a pickup truck hot rod, one of those like the short bed Ford. Yeah that'd be cool Right and it has the little wheels on the front so your slanted right? And i think you got flames on the side. You need flames, you need flames. Can't get more red extol than proponents. Then do you have a big blower, a big tutor on the front

1:43:15 It's blower right, right when you hit the accelerator you see the valves Open up. Yeah, the car kind of really rockets forward. Oh yeah And I think you've got super fat tires in the back what do ya have to get that lower? Yeah hey girls Hey girls. Yeah, yeah. Who the hell is that guy? What is he driving? I've never seen these cars anymore you have to go to special meetings to find them No we had them um what it was maybe five weeks ago Oh you had him in town In Austin yeah We get the big hot rod weekend And every guys at least 60 Mmm no

1:43:58 Well, that's a plus. No, that's really that was last weekend we had the the Republic of Texas rally That's essentially a whole bunch of dentists and you know veterinarians who are all weekend warriors They don't get on their Harley and they come to awesome. Hey, yeah got my bitch on the back here But you know, there's a they're really tame I don't know, the tame kind of guys. So let's move to this... You've heard The Daily Woman, I assume? Oh my god! Do you want to play it or...? Yeah, I wanna play it before we dig into her. I have the whole thing broken up but I think its two and a half minutes in sequence. If you have the complete thing where they start slobbering... Let's just play from the beginning. This is Claire Daly she is

1:44:48 In the Irish Parliament, I believe right and she's a lefty but she's a she seems like a reasonably She's my friend person. I like her. She's my friend is what she is. She's hilarious Hold on a second. I have her wiki page here. Let's just I want to give her props. These are new Nigel Farage yes elected Socialist Party She got kicked out of the Socialist Party by the way. Oh really? She had to form her own party. Let me see... she was previously a socialist party councillor for the Swords electoral area, this is very complicated I don't know how Ireland works sorry Ireland. She resigned from the Socialist Party on 31st August redesignating herself as a United Left Alliance TD whatever that is so anyway here she is

1:45:41 I think it's important to take this opportunity to bring a bit of balance into the discussions around the visit of the US president and his wife given the almost unprecedented slobbering over them that the nation has been exposed to. By the way, we've got to start using some of these terms. Unprecedented is beautiful... No, she's unprecedented. I want to start talking like that. Unprecedented slobbering over the last number of days and it is really hard to know which is worse whether its the outpourings of the Obamas themselves or the sycophantic fawning over them by sections of media and political establishment we've had separate special news bulletins by state broadcaster tell us what Michelle Obama and her daughters had for lunch in Dublin but very little questioning

1:46:31 that she was having lunch with Mr. Tax Exile himself." Who was that by the way? Who was- Bono! Oh, it was Bono?! Yeah! We had very little challenging of the fact that she's glad to be home Home a country that she's been in less than a week and that her husband has very tenuous links in. And of course the biggest irony of all, the protestations of Obama himself In his speech to children in Northern Ireland about peace When he said those who choose a path of peace I promise you that The United States Of America will support you every step of the way We will be the wind at your back

1:47:09 Now I ask you, is this person going for the hypocrite of the century award? Because we have to call things by their right names. And the reality is that by any serious examination this man is a war criminal He has just announced his decision to supply arms to the Syrian opposition including the jihadists fueling the destabilization of that region and continuing to undermine secularism and knock back conditions for women. So that was beautiful but then she goes in and she hammers all these guys which I love the most This is a man who is, in essence, stalling the Geneva peace talks by trying to broker enhanced leverage for the Syrian opposition by giving them arms

1:47:56 with the thousands more who lose their lives or the tens of thousands more who will be displaced as this war goes on. This is the man who has facilitated a 200% increase in the use of drones which have killed thousands of people including hundreds of children. A new Taoiseach you are the one who's turned a blind eye on these activities. You've talked about the G8 being an opportunity to showcase Ireland but is it not a reality that you have showcased us as a nation of pimps prostituting ourselves in return for a pat on the head? To be honest with you we were really spending

1:48:37 speculating this morning whether you were going to deck the cabinet out in leprechaun hats decorated with a bit of stars and stripes to really mark object humiliation here. I love this woman. Oh my God, and just lays it on doesn't stop She's just keeps pounding. I just loved all the leprechauns. Thank you. Yeah, no that imagery is great a leopard leprechaun today stars and stripes on the hat You know in and I'm like yeah Yeah, this will be on every single channel oh

1:49:16 It's not. Yeah, good work! Very very very good and I love the whole slamming of Mr Tax exile himself Sometimes it takes someone like that to open everyone's eyes but it doesn't get any exposure No one is paying attention Nobody picks it up. I haven't seen it on CNN. It's only a couple blogs have got It is getting around the internet though. Yes, but I'm funny unprecedented hypocrisy Is he going for the hypocrisy of the year? Mr.. Drone himself So bono was there Can you say can't just say one thing yeah if you have children in the room cover their ears fuck Bono all right

1:50:06 Bono was there for the G8 to argue against, which we played on the last show that they were supposed to be talking about tax evasion. And they turned it serious, but he was there to promote the idea that this was okay. He had moved his money... I don't know if you can explain this to me? Bono has moved most of his money out of Ireland which i always thought was a tax haven to Holland! Yes because Holland is a tax haven because Holland charges no taxes or does not tax royalties This is why you there I can show you the Rolling Stones buildings in Amsterdam. Wait a minute, Sir Bono? Sir Bono yeah i'm sure he's a sir yes sir i'm sure he's got a title of knighthood or something Yes so the the rolling stones have four buildings entire buildings in Amsterdam Entire buildings filled with people doing important stuff Important stuff I tell ya Like what? They're leprechauns running around investing his money

1:51:08 So there's no tax on royalties, which is why... and that also goes for patent royalties. This is why you have the Dutch-Irish sandwich or whatever. ABE! Knight of the British Empire I told ya, told ya. This is why if you have a patent, as they would say, a patent on technology such as an iPhone then you want to charge money for the use of the patent and You want that money to be paid to your other company? Apple Patent Inc in Amsterdam who then subsequently have no tax on the royalties because that's a creative royalty nice Yeah, yeah now if we had royalties from this show

1:52:02 We don't know but we set up shopping in hell. Yeah, hell yeah we be living large Like Bono like bono he's a dick I told you about it interviewed him once yeah You said he was addicted to hotel and he walked away I can walk from the he walks for your walk is you're being mean to him Oh, I asked them a question about something. I don't know if something He didn't like and instead of being a man And he walked away and the edge was still there, just like... Oh yeah you can still look at that. What is it you asked? I don't remember! It was nothing. I remember being like what?! He just walked away!? I probably asked something about..I dunno. I mean it's innocent this is old MTV days maybe... I dunno. How-what your creative process? I have no idea what I asked. Whatever it was, it wasn't- How did you come up with this crap? It wasn't to his liking and he just walked away

1:52:59 He's a dick. He's a dick, douche-dick! Well he is losing favor in Ireland after the speech if you look at The Sun. Oh people in Ireland already hate him. They got a story of Bono losing his popularity. I think the Irish are going to reject him because of this thing that there was a front page story about in Ireland not here with Obama and Michelle having lunch with Bono it was like a big scandal Because he was only there to promote the idea that he shouldn't be taxed. But this is right, but this is how the elites of the world... you know so The only reason the Obamas were there it's because it's a tax haven You know He's had Apple on his mind all these you can only talk about Apple Apple Apple Because you know This is where Apple has set up their shop and tons of companies have set up there because of the low tax rate That's the only reason they're like hey thanks guys good work Thank you

1:53:56 I got an interesting note from one of our producers about, remember what Obama was we talked about in the last show? About the yokels. Yeah the yokels! Let me just refresh your memory. About potentially critical infrastructure that could be compromised you know there were a handful of yokels up in New York who stole 45 million dollars out ATMs over the course of I think it was 18 hours so our producer sends he says you know you didn't get it He said Obama is used to such big scams like billions and trillions of dollars with his banker buddies that when someone steals $45 million from ATMs they're yokels. Amateurs! They're just amateurs I'm like yeah there's something to that why else would he say it? By the way, I doubt the math

1:54:44 They stole 45 million dollars in 48 hours from ATMs? Yeah. It doesn't sound right, it would have to be more than yokels, it'd have to be an army of yokels! I still like the whole idea of him just thinking they're jus- yo what amateurs?! Yeah, yokels... uh 45 mil pffft pfff losers Please please Really you kidding me That's a good observation Hey let's uh speaking of yokels Let me thank some of our local yokels. What do you say? Our local yokels are... I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda, imagine all the people who could do that! Oh yeah that'd be fab! On No Agenda, Money and Woo! Have a bunch of uh..I do have a letter i want to read before I go in it because he donated 80 which I'll get to his name but

1:55:37 uh... dodges is calls himself a car artist bartender waiter slave and he says he's dropping donation in the mail paypal being induced all of us and with my card and any idea about a lot been a lister since january twenty thirteen as a new listener relatively speaking love this show but so is the big but especially louisiana Hey-oh! No, I'm just kidding. Louisiana women are beautiful. Well listening to an old podcast of the NO Agenda show Mr. Dvorak went into this great ramble about how disgusting Louisiana Cajun cooking is Oh God This is not something to be repeated with this was a we...I think we lost half our audience

1:56:23 Just wanted you to know, again though of course we didn't get fired. No we did not get fired! We're still here. What to do? We're still here. Just want you to know all my donations for the show came directly from money acquired at my upscale Cajun restaurant. Yes John you can put upscale and cajun next to each other. Alright so he is in... Good work He is in a town called Beach, Alabama actually and he runs the... there's apparently a chain of these things. And this is called the Louisiana Lanyap which is spelled l-a-g-n-i-a-p-e which is a classic God knows where that came from word and so if you want to go to the Louisiana Lanyap

1:57:16 Which is in the orange Beach, Alabama? Orange beach our the cafe gratis Which is an Italian place to forget that go to Louisiana you land Yap. Anyway, that's just I wanted to... Which- I'm sorry! I was- I do like the style of cooking in Louisiana and i'm just saying it's a lot of it is pretty old fashioned Well I will say as an aside note But Emeril who came out of New York went to Louisiana adopted the cuisine has modernized it in some ways at least for that area And all his restaurants are fantastic Seriously Go on Did you know that noodles is going public? Oh really Yeah With all that bad publicity Yep

1:57:59 I'm thinking this is a short sell. Because this thing is going to have the IPO pop and then all the kids are going to revolt because of, hey man! They may come to work on time... It's come to work on time? I would not invest in that company. Noodles IPO. Noodles expects an IPO of $13-$15 a share IPO terms, they're going to raise up to $77.5 million which will open a couple more stores I guess. Uh-huh! I think it's a depression company... Noodles. Come on give me a break. Okay might be but we gotta be careful and that means that we could have a slave revolt in our hands and no one will be serving at Noodles. Don Mills will not be eating there he said $131 from Shasta Lake and i'm saying that because there is no noodles in Shasta Lake

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2:11:39 knowage in a round table for you sir! Cookers and blow, red boys and chardonnay hot pans, some booze long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch wenches and beer rubinettes women and rosé gushes and sake vodka the middle of bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider nests quarts and mutton and mead. And you can share it with your lady all of that Wow I'm good at that i remember that so well You got that thing down? I got it down I do All right So we've got a very interesting invitation You know we have our little dinner club here in Austin? Yeah, the Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie Club. What do you call it? It's a movie by Bunuel which perfectly describes the situation in which your ensnared... Say it again? The Discrete Charm of the Bourgeoisie. Well yes!

2:12:29 And so we have a our next dinner will be on July 5th because Miss Mickey is going back to Amsterdam do her foot project and then she's gone back for three days. She's coming back on the 4th and on the fifth we have Our next dinner, and so there's a little email that goes around as you know it was really beautiful You know it's uh actually kind of funny cuz they always make fun of me on the email It's like they make fun of you. Oh, yeah it's like so Russ the brain professor he's like I'm in Washington DC despite my association with you i had no problem with my clearances into the White House oh and of course and I'm like No! It's because of your association with me you had no problem and then the other person is like Laurie He was like have you ever requested your file under the Freedom Of Information Act from the FBI

2:13:22 And I'm like, no UPS doesn't ship anything over 50 pounds thank you very much. So this is kind of the extent... So we will have new guests at the table. This is very smart, this is very smart and they are... These are new people all together? They haven't been you've never met them? Have not met them they are however in Austin and Why are you having them for dinner if you've never met no No We did The Dinner Party Is that Laurie's place it's her turn Oh I see okay And she is adding people to the mix What about that woman That You insulted The last time he had is She gone She out of the group well who did I insult? Oh, no. No that was a different dinner That was with the gay friends all the gay dinners Just a party animal oh yeah any these clips on how do you find it's very hard Well even better. I have a clip of the new guest How about that I've got a clip of the guests so your guy you're moving up the ladder. Yes are actually clippable They provide their own clips

2:14:25 Hey, we're having dinner with curry. Let me send him a clip and little teaser This is James Pennebaker and his lovely wife And I shall be reading both of their books I have them on the Kindles and I haven't told them that of course but and I'm not gonna say hey nice to meet you I read your book now. I'm gonna sneak it in like uh-huh yeah Yeah, cuz they're professors of course and he is professor He's actually brain professors boss at the university here, that Longhorn thing in UT Texas University of Texas. But he wrote a book which I thought would be real no agenda material. I can't recommend it yet because i haven't really gotten into it called The Secret Life of Pronouns

2:15:09 And he has developed not just a thesis, but computer software and all kinds of stuff that can help you detect people when through people's use of language when they're lying. In particular, when people are using something he is coined performatives I don't know if he's coined it but he calls them performatives and I think is going to be really interesting To meet this guy, but I wanted to play a little clip where he has clips inside his clip About and it's something that we follow all the time about how in particular presidents Use particular phrases and language to lie to us, and I wanted to share that should we listen to this for a moment? It sounds like a winner. Yeah You know language is a complicated world especially when we're trying to understand How language differs when someone telling the truth versus lying oh

2:16:05 Now, one thing that is common is that when people tell the truth they tend to use words like I, me and my at higher rates than when they're lying. Except under one circumstance and this circumstance was first studied by philosophers specifically a guy named John Austin. Austin studies something called performatives An example of this would be... In the video he's holding a pen while he says it Now, in reality this is not a shovel. Nevertheless what I just said is it true or not? I want you to know that I'm holding a shovel In a weird kind of way thats true Why because the first part of that sentence I want you to know Is true! I do really want you to know Im holding a shovel now Im holding a shovel was completely false but thats not the premise of the sentence and thats what a performative is And so happens That this is used quite a bit

2:17:06 And I've seen it a lot, especially in politicians. I'd like to begin with one of my favorite lies of all times and one that you may well know from Bill Clinton when he was president. But i want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman Miss Lewinsky. Was that stunning or what? We just heard three powerful performatives right in a row I want to say one thing to the American people, I want you to listen to me...I'm going to say this again.. I did not have sexual relationships with that woman miss Lewinsky What he said was technically true! I wanna say this again, i didn't have sex with that woman

2:17:56 Well, he was saying it again. He was being completely honest except for the minor part about the big lie part but from a pure linguistic and logical philosophical perspective He was telling the truth Let's finish this with a few recent presidents and other people who use performatives without any judgment on whether these people are telling the truth or not I want to say this to the television audience. I've made my mistakes." I just wanted tell you that when we negotiate, as i say on my side, I got 22 billion dollars. And the American people have gotta understand this... That this program won't go forward! and I wanna everybody understand that This is a jobs issue So let me things like Let Me Be Clear The fact of the matter

2:18:54 This is all great stuff. Well this, this is a guy you need to know yeah I'm very excited he's an expert at looking at structures yep in other words there are different ways that people deal with liars especially when you deal with somebody who is a pathological liar which is very difficult to catch because it's just like a game they play but Generally speaking when you're dealing with liars a normal process is using their body language and cues And other things which is sometimes never works right I mean it's a good idea, but he's doing it by deconstructing the actual structure of what they say Yeah And and it goes pretty deep and of course now. I'm really nervous because I'm gonna be so conscious that he's like yeah You trying to kid curry

2:19:47 Best podcast in the universe. Says who? He seems great. Yeah, it's gonna be hard... I'm gonna have to temper myself though because you know I get excited after Calm down it's dinner after all Yeah, maybe he'll clam up when he's at dinner. He might be one of those guys who doesn't trust the outside. Maybe it's weird I liked it very much though because we have a word for this called performative and we are usually looking At the physical tells which there are a lot of and the costs and get their coughs But and in his book he really go it says it's really all the small world words. It's the pronouns just like you know, it's the I it's that uh The am you know all these little things and how people use those tells you if they're really full of crap or not? but the big ones is like You know the fact of the matter let me be clear Let me because it doesn't mean this true

2:20:50 Yeah, let me be yeah. No you just being clear. Yeah, she's being very clear I'll talk slower Let me tell the American people okay? You're telling it doesn't mean you're telling us the truth that's very smart So this is a good example. This is the definition, the free dictionary of performative which is kind of interesting because it's more than just that. It's relating to or being an utterance that performs and act or creates a state of affairs by the fact that its being uttered under appropriate or conventional circumstances justice of this of the peace uttering I now pronounce you husband and wife yeah what does that mean thus creating a legal union or as one uttering I promise thus performing the act of promising so anything is performance a performative utterance there's another definition demanding and utterance that constitutes some act especially the Act described by the verb for example i confess that i was

2:21:51 Was there I confess that? I was there is in itself a confession It's also performative in the narrowest narrower sense while. I'd like you to meet Affecting an introduction is performative only in the looser sense This is very interesting word this performatively look into this well, I'm gonna. We use it quite a bit I think we use it a lot and also Is it not possible and this is probably what I'm most interested in is can you defeat this? Or can you use this to your advantage? And how, is it really close to neuro-linguistic programming. I mean where's the line? Well this is the question that you'll be asking at dinner! Yes! I'l say could you pass the potato salad Is that any...is performatives anything like Can it be used in a neuro linguistic programming manner? Can I get it..can I use it to make people send me money? Please Support..to support the show of course Obviously

2:22:49 I got a really interesting dinner so uh... that's July 5th. I'll keep you appraised. You know we actually do a show on July 4th, we're actually going to be working the two of us That's right On the fourth of July That's right I have a flag hanging outside the door Yes And I've got this huge flag hanging off the balcony I have a flag that hung above ummm Well hold on I have. You have a flag that hung at the, it's one of those souvenir flags they hang the flag in front of the white in front of the statehouse and then they sell it? No... It was not a bad idea though is it? I have here certificate of authenticity to all who shall see... Those are never faked! Well no, its signed by Commander Hill and Command Sergeant Major Menten to all... Eddie Hill?! Yeah, to all who shall see these presents

2:23:48 uh... the flag of united states of america company this certificate has been probably flown over forward operating base organ e headquartered task force white crew karate all you by my mother's ear in iraq and three are not know this is afghanistan this is a hundred first airborne division presented as i said that was an issue mister adam curry sincere appreciation for your support and sacrifice twice for my sacrifices john yeah well there I always tell him, I don't feel good about the things you send me. I really don't feel good about that! I'll take the flag and I love the certificate but... The standard language really doesn't apply to me. And he customized it. Erdogan, you're a douchebag. I would have loved that for your douchebaggery While we're here eating sand, you douche bag Here's a flag So Erdogan of Turkey Did you hear what he said?

2:24:52 I've heard a lot of what he said. What are you referring to? He's saying, well this is translated of course... He's saying that what's happening here is the same forces foreign forces who are stoking the protest in Brazil The same game is now being played over in Brazil, Erdogan said. The symbols are the same, the posters are the same Twitter and Facebook are the same, the international media is the same... ...the protests are being led from the same center They're doing their best to achieve what they could not achieve in Turkey It's the same game, the same trap, the same aim And the goal of this? And the rationale, the motive? Regime change

2:25:40 Regime change? Well, you know the Brazil thing is not... Yeah. Well it might be true in Turkey but Brazil they have regime changes constantly. So this Brazil thing doesn't apply I think that's wrong. Well I'm just saying it Erdogan is saying it. Who was he accusing? The Russians or the Americans or who? Americans. I think he accused the Chinese. I think he's accusing the Americans. That seems more like a Russian ploy! Maybe And here's a little Federal Register note that popped up. Remember we had... Well, actually I can just read it to you This is from the President. Dear Mr Speaker! Mr President Certain US forces recently deployed to Jordan solely to participate in a training exercise We talked about this which was Early Eagle? I think it was This exercise ended on June 20th 2013 At the request of the government of Jordan

2:26:39 A combat-equipped attachment of approximately 700 of these forces remained in Jordan after the conclusion of the exercise to join other US forces already in Jordan. The detachment that participated in the exercise and remained in Jordan includes Patriot missile systems, fighter aircraft and related support command control and communications personnel and systems. The detachment will remain in Jordan in full coordination with the government of Jordan until the security situation becomes such that it is no longer needed." This is unbelievable! Which is never by the way The guy just, and this is the letter from the president regarding the War Powers Resolution. So under War Powers Resolution he's saying I'm just gonna deploy 700 guys Yeah in addition? yeah to whatever was already there. How many people are already there? Is that crazy kernel of a guy that's running it? God knows! The deployment of this detachment has been directed in furtherance of US national security Oh its protecting us And foreign policy interests Including the important national interest in supporting the security of Jordan and promoting regional stability

2:27:45 You are a war criminal. This feels like more distraction than anything. I'm not quite sure why... I don't see this as a distraction because it's not getting as much play, it gets kind of a mention here and there but more guys keep coming out of the woodwork saying hey this is bullcrap we woulda's Well hold on a second where are you seeing the promo?

2:28:22 Because this is this it's just scattered. I don't have a no It's not a new it's like a Netflix network This is this is their thing this is their big documentary It's on the but doesn't mean it's all bullcrap just because somebody you know doing a little PR for it No, but there's but there's no I mean, it's just riling up the same old theory where we know this thing was brought down by some kind of shoulder-fired missile. Duh! Well...I think I have the passenger manifest

2:28:59 Oh, well. Okay how was brought down as irrelevant versus who was who was brought down that is only there's a number of lots of bankers are on this flight oh okay interesting they took out a lot of bankers then they took out the guy who is the senior senior systems engineer for the Aegis missile system mm-hmm I thought that was interesting yeah so we got rid of him but the one that gets me and I'm still looking into this killed and on the list of one of these websites it says, we don't know too much why this guy was killed but he was one of the guys who did business with Ron Brown. Oh! On the Ivory Coast and we know Ron Brown was assassinated He was a Secretary Of Commerce under Clinton

2:29:47 And he was killed around the time that this plane went down. Within the same timeframe, and there's a whole bunch of guys who died and then we're getting back to the Clinton kill list... Another good version of it The Clinton body count? The body count! One of the body count websites There is a bunch of them We have one linked in the show notes I think you'll enjoy Yes, yes, I put it under 2 to the head The Clinton Body Count which you sent It was very interesting You sent this to me And you said, wow I hadn't really tracked this for a while and it's grown. It has! And I put Hastings on there they haven't put him on there yet No he is not on yet but then I said oh my god I had just planned on bringing up the Obama body count

2:30:32 And do you want to just because you know when you think about how many people have died in association with the Obama administration? Let's just put it politely yeah, but this is all during the Hillary Clinton Secretary of State no No, no. This is I had forgotten how many people have croaks goes back further Oh my god Okay, I'm all ears now okay mama Louise Anderson 79 and her 52 year old daughter Zelda White, the two women aid workers who were shot dead in Nairobi Kenya in 2008.

2:31:09 Of course, you know they probably... the rumor was that they probably knew something about the true origins of the president. Lieutenant Colonel Christopher Rabel and Sergeant Bradley Atwell died in Camp Bastion That was three days after Benghazi has never been talked about by the way No one is really brought even we haven't brought that up Mohammed Bakhti This is the Tunisian guy that they had to get rid of because, of course, Tunisia helped set up the fake kidnapping that went wrong. Jeff Joe Black found dead on hiking trail from blunt force trauma to the head He's a Chicago activist who claimed that Rahm Emanuel was put into place in Chicago to oversee a coming false flag event Larry Bland and Nate Spencer two members of The Trinity Church murdered at the same time

2:32:01 Andrew Breitbart, of course. Steve Bridges... Remember this guy? The impersonator who offended President Obama? Remember the guy who did Bush and then he did Obama and then he died? I don't remember him dying! Yeah we talked about it! Oh yeah, we must have talked about it but geez I forgot about that. This is August 2011. Yeah the guy does an impression of Obama no wonder none of these Impressionists do Obama Well, what happened to that guy? The best impression was this guy. Well what happened he's dead! Yeah murdered by... I think we'll do that impression And he died by anaphylaxis which is like you know eating a bad peanut essentially

2:32:39 and being allergic to shellfish poison. Robin Copeland, former Energy Department official who took part in several significant disarmament programs died suddenly on people always die with heart attacks or some weird thing all very young. Yeah, prussic acid Michael Cormier forensic technician he's the guy who was the corner on Breitbart remember that guy died? Remember that yeah Madeline Payne Dunham, Obama's grandmother died two days before the general election. He flew out to see her for one hour alone no records cremated immediately ashes dispersed that's kind of crude Beverly Eckert the continental flight victim she was a 9-11 widow who was making a lot of noise remember she was...remember her? yeah oh yeah

2:33:25 Of course, Extortion 17 that is the Chinook helicopter callsign extortion17 shot down while transporting the Navy SEALs. Right! Yeah we found that to be suspicious. Bill Gwatney close friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton a Clinton superdelegate was fatally shot in 2008 shooter had a post-it note with a mystery phone number I'm not quite sure why that was linked to Obama. Lieutenant Quarries Harris Jr., key witness in federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department? Oh, remember that? That's also Hillary! Yeah but what is interesting... Obama's passport breach unanswered questions. Harris worked for security firm run by John Brennan

2:34:16 Later to be a terrorism advisor to Obama, listed as detail in YouTube video blahblahblah Was an employee of John Brennan when murdered and Brennan is now head of the CIA. Andy P Hart Guantanamo attorney assigned to defend Mohammed Raim Al Afghani and he died Michael Hastings is here Hazem, Benghazi attack suspect dies in Cairo shootout. Stephanie Tubbs Jones She's the one that she the one that crashed her car in the garage Remember that? Some of these are ludicrous Yeah David Koshman murdered Chicago Rush Street brawl By a nephew of Mayor Daley and White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley The Crim children oh yeah That was the writer

2:35:08 No, wait a minute. Yes CNBC's exec children that's right Nanny stabbed herself upon mothers arrival uh-huh Kamkwata we know what that is That was the guy who told people about the weird Obama ritual going on at the National Assembly What do you call it? His name was Kamquat? Kamkuwata And he wound up dead. Yeah, I remember that vaguely Chris Kyle of course American sniper We know him got no props even though he was a prominent seal yeah yep He just died Marco McMillan Mississippi's first gay mayoral candidate 34 beaten and burned body dumped out on the riverbank Stephanie Moses

2:36:03 NYPD sergeant photographed with Obama at 9-11 ceremony found dead in apparent suicide And that's all the end. This is a pretty good document I mean the list goes on and on and on and on and on And of course, there's you know all the other All the gay guys in Chicago who got killed? There's the gay kid who was Working for the Obama campaign in Chicago headquarters who dropped dead about everyone's a heart attack whether it was around here Everybody's a fucking heart attack So it's a pretty good list. Yeah, that's a damn good list! And I like this list because it has a lot of links to the original stories Now your Clinton body count...I mean that lists...they've categorized by numbers and mentions It's almost like the Library of Congress has done so much work on it. It's as much information as the Library of Congress. So maybe if you're just

2:37:07 If you're well known, maybe just when people die around you. But I don't know that many people who've died of horrible deaths just around me. I know a lot of people. Yeah! Just over the last couple years this is not like a lifetime of people dropping dead. Lifetime Achievement Award? And yeah, I know people who have died too here and there but it's not More than a few dozen people. Yeah, and it's not like you know burning up in your garage? Yeah And they're all just yeah there did they died in their sleep or something were roaming around yeah now They're the hospital or they had cancer. Yeah, you know Steve Jobs took forever to die It's not like these guys just dropped dead by the way take a look at At the list and you tell me how many of these people died of cancer none

2:38:00 Right, which is very suspicious. Almost everyone I know has either died from cancer. So on Tuesday it will be a very big day and i'll be paying attention and working hard on everybody's behalf so you don't have to. That means mainly there will be documents to read lots of documents and we will be shutting down the coal plants with new regulation, rules or law of rule or whatever it is. And the president has done a little promo video which he has on whitehouse.gov. That America would respond to the growing threat of climate change for the sake of our children and future generations This Tuesday at Georgetown University I'll lay out my vision for where i believe we need to go A national plan to reduce carbon pollution prepare our country for the impacts of climate change and lead global efforts to fight

2:38:53 This is a serious challenge, but it's one uniquely suited to America's strengths. Now I want to say something about this video the music track is very loud and It's and I sound tried to sound hound it And it sounds like it sounds like a Jay-z track who stole it from Prince It sounds like Diamonds and pearls is what it sounds like But it has kind of a Jay-Z vibe to it kind of like in New York But why does he have to have this whole stylized thing and the music? And of course, again we're seeing waves crashing up against the Jersey Shore. He didn't put polar bears in this time but so Tuesday! Don't miss it Tuesday! These scientists design new fuels for farmers to grow them

2:39:48 We'll design new fuels and tell you how farmers can grow them. Nice! Engineers to devise new sources of energy, and businesses to make and sell them. We'll need workers to build the foundation for a clean energy economy And we will need all our citizens To do our part to preserve God's creation for future generations Our forests and waterways, our croplands and snow-capped peaks There's no single step that can reverse the effects of climate change. But when it comes to the world we leave our children, we owe it to them to do what we can. So I hope you'll share this message with your friends because this is a challenge that affects everyone and we all have a stake in solving it together. I hope to see you Tuesday. Thanks

2:40:36 Call me diamonds and pearls That's kind of a creepy weird music stinks by the way down and Anna Yeah. Did you ever notice that the Brits have a complementary operation? Of course this is how they exchange data, they spy on us and we spy on them and then we give you stuff and then you give us stuff. They've got GQ or whatever. GCHQ. Have you ever looked at their building? Tell me what it reminds you of! It reminds me either our Mercedes logo... No no no. Kind of like a steering wheel. The Apple Building

2:41:16 Yeah, the new one you mean yeah. Yeah interesting well But they have like kind of some weird star configuration over three points There's a three-point deal on there. Yeah Three point deal since we point deal it's a nice design of a building It's a nice design Yes, if you're on one end and you have to get to the other actually there's a bunch I guess you can cut through this huge building mm-hmm cut through Hey, what are you doing? I'm cutting through. Courtyard! Can't cut through here! I have two things to wind up with...

2:41:53 I got the minister of the UK, Gitmo Nation East Minister of... I guess he's agriculture or something? And you know that the European Union is against genetically modified crops. They say they are but there's all kinds evidence that they're not! Yeah this would be one of them so they've got a field where their testing some stuff and this whole report and i just got a little clip because I thought it was kind of funny The guys clearly trying to Sway our opinion of genetically modified foods and crops. The environment secretary wants to rehabilitate GM technology, it'll help to feed the world's billions he says and put the UK at the forefront of an agricultural and economic revolution In very large parts of the world this isn't some strange spooky innovation being led by funny professors with spiky hair and flapping coats This is an absolute standard part of everyday life

2:42:53 No, I think it is done by you. It's very funny. Okay And I want to say hello to our friends in Australia who a lot of them listen, a lot of them support the show. A lot of them have said thank you so much for recognizing that we really... We actually kind of really do hate it when you talk about Australia and you do a stupid lame-ass Australian accent. I think I got confirmation that is quite annoying to them So i'm not going to do it. Um..I will however play this bit which is a piece of news which is all about the pedo bear down under. Well, New South Wales police have admitted shredding all documents of the forces involvement with a key Catholic church body set up to deal with sex abuse cases The Sex Crime Squad officer on the church body destroyed all her documents after each meeting

2:43:45 The top-level group established by the church's bishops met monthly with a senior policewoman for at least three hours over many years. After being contacted by Lateline, the New South Wales Police Minister Mike Gallagher has now demanded an urgent briefing from his police commissioner and the former director of public prosecutions in New South Wales has described the police actions as destroying evidence. Yeah! You think? The public person does that, the next thing you know they're into the slammer. Yeah so let me see you say had a meeting and like oh man no damn we got like we got some problems here we've got these bishops and like you know the sodomizing kids and good meeting all right everybody all right who's shredding today? Good Meeting

2:44:33 Well, I have one last clip from the... Can you bring us out? Can you lift us up? Can you lift our... Oh yeah. Yeah this will do it. Uplifting and make us feel great. Every clip that I've closed the show with has always been uplifting and this would be one of them This is again the caucus they were talking to The helpers of the congressman And this is from the ACLU woman And you know she's... ACLU's always uplifting This is the American Civil Liberties Union Yes, it's a group of lawyers that sues everybody every time anybody's liberties are violated no matter who they are right and this is the clip called good one from the ACLU So far Congress has allowed the intelligence committees to do secret oversight of secret programs allowed under secret court orders and it has led to the collection of every American's phone calls

2:45:23 This cannot continue. We need to pull this information out into the public sphere so the rank and file members can understand what they've authorized, so that public can understand how the government spies on them and people can make an informed decision about whether these programs should continue but secret oversight is is not working and from the information that's been leaked over the last couple of weeks it's pretty clear that some of this information has unnecessarily been kept secret. And your bosses with your advice need to make some very strong decisions here about what's appropriate. Yeah, sounds like there are a lot of things secret things going on. Secret? It's a secret! I thought this was the most transparent administration in history... That's what I thought History of the universe

2:46:09 Hmm, my goodness. Alright everybody that's gonna have to do it We need to move on with things gotta produce this show I dare ask if you're going to go up north today John Are you going up north? No no no i've got some stuff You've got some stuff to do Looks like there will be a NOAgenda producer update on the stream So all of yall can stay tuned for that That's funny actually...I got an email from the White House Did you get the email from the White House I get a lot of emails from the white house you might as well read yours. Well it was just funny the way it opened this is from some woman... It always went five dollars for some reason. This is about the non-partisan experts who estimate the financial, this is about ummm.... The immigration bill but it starts off with hi all and like oh my god! Heil? Yes!

2:46:59 That's what it is. Hi all! Hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all, hi all I can't believe she actually said hi all. I mean wow Well hi all to you everybody And thank you very much for being with us. Remember, Dvorak dot org slash N A is where you can support the program so we can bring you more of this and look forward to doing that exactly that coming new from the capital of The Drone Star State in the morning everybody my name is Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley the Mecca of Tecca I'm John C. Dvorak We'll be back on Thursday right here with no agenda

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