by Law and by Rule

00:00 You can't do that! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, June 20th, 2013 time for your Gizmo Nation Media Assassination episode 523. This is no agenda. It's the super soul, New York Kowalski here at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin Tate House in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. What the hell was that? I was trying to stretch it out. Well, make up some more words instead of stretching out the words. I mean, after I berated the Linux and the HamShack guys, who then of course went right back and said, those guys, they got easy talking. They spend three hours jerking each other off.

00:46 That was somebody pretty much Right so yeah exactly right on And you listen to it Critics yeah, that's all right. I was critical of them. That's why yeah, you deserve it. This is a quid pro quo We're done. We're done Hey, man, is it has it been six weeks? No, it's six weeks comes from the last real incident I believe is on the week of July the 4th. Yeah. Why? What did you see? Oh my God. This is... Well, first let's listen to the George Stephanopoulos report.

01:26 Who is on Good Morning America? Yes, on Good Morning America. The former Clinton operative has this to report. Straight out of Ray Bradbury. The FBI has arrested two men for wanting to kill people, including the president, with a ray gun. They say the men tried to create a device that would suddenly zap out invisible and lethal x-rays, radiation powerful enough to kill. ABC's senior justice correspondent, Pierre Thomas, has the file on this bizarre arrest. We've seen death rays in science fiction movies. But today the FBI charged two upstate New York men, Eric Feit and Glenn Crawford, a self-described engineer and Klan member, with building a workable death ray. I like this. And Klan member with a workable death? So he had like Wile E. Coyote. He's got plans from Acme Corp.

02:18 to build a death ray. This particular device would be capable of emitting x-ray radiation. This device would have been capable of doing that and killing people. The murderous plan allegedly called for attaching an industrial grade x-ray machine to a specially designed triggering device stored in a truck. The weapon would be mobile, shooting concentrated doses of radiation on unsuspected targets who would die within two weeks. Among the potential target sources say Muslims and President Obama. I'm like, wow, this is great. How would they even get within a million miles of President Obama? No, but it's a death ray, John. Don't you understand? All they need to do is park the van outside the White House and aim the beam. Park it in the White House parking lot. And aim the beam. I mean, this is, I can't believe that Stephanopoulos can actually sit there and read this news report seriously, this intro. MSNBC, I have to say,

03:18 the douchebag there, he had the real information which is just hilarious when you hear what this story really is. This is a very odd story, you've got the details though for us. Yes, indeed it is an odd story and we should point out before we go through all of this that the FBI says these men never pose any danger because they never got the support they thought they were getting. All the people who they met with who agreed to help them turned out to be either informants or undercover agents. The whole half the country is informants. Yeah, it's just a whole bunch of people like, hey man, hey. I got a great idea. We're gonna help you build a death ray. Yeah, yeah, we can get rid of them Muslims. Yeah. And that head honcho Muslim. We can get rid of him with a death ray. Yeah, man. How stupid are we? Well, that's Stephanopoulos. He's the one who ran it straight. The guy has no shame to do that. He just has no shame. Have you seen the ratings on that show?

04:20 He's got no shame because he's making millions. I'd say he's through the roof. He's probably getting about 12 million dollars a year. I actually was gonna say 15. I think he must be 15. It could be 15. It's unreal. Yeah, considering we get like, you know, 200 bucks here and there. Yeah, okay. But you know what? I can sleep at night. Yeah, well that's true. Well if you're gonna play crazy stuff, I got the crazy stuff. Oh no, no, don't tell me you watched it. Of course. It's your job, I agree. It is my job, this is my segment. In fact, here's the deal. You berated me for missing the Miss America Beauty pageant. I did, I was very disappointed. You berated me. Yes. So I said, okay, alright, I've taken this assignment. Yep.

05:07 I'm gonna go with it now now before before you say anything may I point out that Wikipedia now has an entry known as Dvorak's law You can look it up. Dvorak's Law states, the worse the economy, not only do the hookers get better looking, but they get cheaper. I'll be known for that. Thanks. It's on Wikipedia and it's irrevocable. You cannot erase it. And this is a subset. Is it in the No Agenda page? No, it has its own wiki entry.

05:47 Oh God! Yeah, just Google, uh, Dvorak's Law. Ah, you stopped me in my tracks. I think you have to do Wiki. I don't think it's gotten the Google juice just yet. Law Wiki. Where is it? Maybe, oh here it is. No, no. Maybe it's gone. Yeah. No, that can't be. No, it's gone already? Now hold on a second. Those guys at Wikipedia, they don't like us. But it's... let me just see. Not Dvorak's Law. It is Dvorak's underscore law. But it didn't show up on a Google search. What's wrong with Google? Let me try Bing. Here it says, Dvorak's law is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern. Does not appear to be a notable law.

06:44 Hey, gotta make it notable. This is crap! A search failed to find enough reliable coverage about it. Well, this is no good! And I guess then they'd block search engines from... Hey, hold on a second. Stop the presses. Google could not find it, but Bing found it in the number one search. Yeah, so they're in cahoots. No, Google's obviously... Yeah, Google's in cahoots with Wiki. Yeah, and they're biased against your law. Yeah, well apparently. This is an outrage. However, you can address this concern by improving, copy editing, sourcing, renaming or merging the page.

07:24 Alright people, get to work! The thing is it only has one reference and it's from me. I guess that was a tip off. A lot of people heard it, I'll vouch. Proposed deletion as of 19th of June. That's pretty funny. Anyway, so this is a subset and you guys should start in the chat room perhaps you start filling out the page because This is a part of Dvorak's law as he faithfully tracks all beauty pageants that are televised In the in the universe go Okay, so here we go. So there was a big stink. I thought this was a cover-up for what was going on in this beauty pageant. Me too. I was right on board. Which is to ask outrageous political questions of these dumb women. Who are smoking hot, by the way. Oh, this group was dynamite. The two that won, Connecticut and Alabama. I thought Miss Alabama, until you hear her talk, was absolutely stunning. But she turns out to be a fascist.

08:26 Mm-hmm. So let's hear here's what happened. This got all the news coverage apparently Miss Utah Yeah, who is looks like an Icelandic woman. She's amazingly Icelandic when your eyes are just a millimeter too wide, but that's fine. She was gorgeous She answered this idiotic question and this got all over the news. This is Miss Utah Not just on the news not just on the news, but this is what people were blogging us. I was surprised that that people were tweeting and sending this link. I'm like, do you listen to our show? Do you know how to look through the BS? Apparently not. Judge number three, NeNe Leakes. Your question please. A recent report shows that in 40% of American families with children, women are the primary earners, yet they continue to earn less than men. What does this say about society?

09:20 I think we can relate this back to education and how we are continuing to try to strive to figure out how to create jobs right now. That is the biggest problem and I think especially the men are seen as the leaders of this and so we need to try to figure out how to create education better so that we can solve this problem. Thank you. Thank you Utah. Thank you sweetheart. Thank you sweetheart. Thank you sweetheart. You're an idiot. So uh, she's actually, you have to remember she's from Utah. Why this question was asked in the first place is beyond me but she's from Utah and so she's probably a Mormon and she's thinking when they're asking the question, she's thinking to herself, what? Women work?

10:10 Women work. Oh my God. Oh, she was completely befuddled by that I can tell you this was This is all scripted. You know these questions are not oh yeah, no, you'll see how scripted. Yeah, I know they're scripted So I think she just blew the lines. You know she just the answer was there. She knew what to say It was just it was it happens it happens. This is not because she's dumb or This is just, you know, it's your moment, it's your acting moment and you mess it up. And people who, if you emailed or tweeted this link to either John or I, turn off the podcast now. Go away. Go away. Because you should know by now, this is all scripted. All she did was, isn't that dumb? All she did, she just made, she flubbed the lines, that's all.

10:57 So, and by the way, if one of these women, and when you hear the rest of the, I've got four more of these, they're all short, less than a minute, but when you hear the questions and how lame they are and how political they are, if just one of these women would say, You know, I don't think it's appropriate to be asking these sorts of political questions which are loaded and it's probably just to make us look stupid. I really find it insulting and that's all I've got to say. I would be this woman's fan. I'd follow her on Twitter. I mean, we don't get any of that. Instead we get this kind of weirdness. Hey, do you want to build an x-ray machine too while you're at it? So here we go.

11:35 Now, we're gonna go with, now the one that I thought was the best looking of the group was Miss Alabama. Yeah. And so, but she comes, now they ask her a loaded question and she just, they, all these women give the worst kind of answer to make them look like either idiots or Nazis. And Miss Alabama looks like a Nazi. Alright, next let's have Alabama join us. Alabama. Please reach in and select a card. You went for the middle. You went for the middle. Okay. Judge number two, Wendy Malik, your question please for Alabama.

12:16 Government tracking of phone records has been in the news lately. Is this an invasion of privacy or necessary to keep our country safe? Why or why not? I think the society that we live in today, it's sad that if we go to the movies or to the airport or even to the mall that we have to worry about our safety. So I would rather someone track my telephone messages and feel safe wherever I go than feel like they're encroaching on my privacy. Hey, that's a big word there, that encroaching word. Hmm, I wonder where she heard that in the script. First of all, I loved her teeth. Man, could they be any whiter? She's like, I gotta wear shades because of this girl's teeth. But that was so funny. That is, yeah, of course that's completely fascist because she is encouraging corporatism.

13:12 I find it hilarious that the things that we're doing is going to the mall, going to the movie theater. What was the other one? I forgot the other one. I want to feel safe. Airport. That's right, I've got to go travel to go see them. Not if I don't feel safe. Go to another mall. What an idiot. Alright, so then we go on and we get Miss South Carolina who's a very, very pretty black woman. She is just gorgeous and kind of cheery. Cheerleader like. Miss South, what is she? South Carolina? Yeah, now the thing about this, this one Now I'm wondering about what's wrong with South Carolina because this is the state that had that crazy Miss Teen who kept saying however and you know we need a... people can't find the United States on a map because of South Africa and you know she went on and on with it. She was the worst answer anyone... This woman is in competition with her.

14:10 Didn't understand I didn't understand why I didn't do the clip But I every once in a while I bring this clip on the show where is miss South Carolina in a in a some pageant? Yes answered the questions so many people cannot find the United States on a map And she goes on with this whatever however so and she says because of South Africa and feeding the poor and she just went off the rails And this one damn near beats it It is your turn. South Carolina. Go ahead, pick a card. All right, let's see who you got. Judge number nine, Christina Milian. Hey, hold on a second. How come we can't get this gig? Tell me. They got nine judges and judge number nine is Christina Milian, the idiot from The Voice? Hey, Carson! Hey!

15:04 That's who judge number nine is yeah, and we can't get this gig and by the way I just the way they're doing these questions I'm almost convinced that they have a list of questions, and this is oh, this is miss, South Carolina This is what she gets asked. Let's give this one Should people who lead classified documents in the name of public information be charged with treason Wow You know I feel bad. I didn't watch this show now You should but you only have to do is watch the end because that's what this craziness You can't write this stuff. Is this what we're doing

15:43 I don't believe that they should be charged with treason. Personally, I think that being a part of this country, we have been given specific documents for specific reasons. Our lawmakers have put that into their decision for certain reasons. And if we feel the need to have to show those documents, then I think that we should show them. Show me your documents, girl. What? What? What did she say? I don't know, smoke was coming out of her ears I think. She said, if we are given documents we have to show... This is actually another fact. She doesn't even know what the woman's talking about. If one of them would just go like, Heil everybody! That would be funny. We should be writing this show. She goes and she goes off the rails and pretty much saying that we should all have documents and we have to show them when the authorities ask. Show me your papers! Show me your Google documents! Heil!

16:38 That's what she said. I know, I know! But this is... My God. We're so lost. Oh, totally. This is the worst thing I've ever seen. This is the worst. So they finally come to the winner. This is the woman who won, by the way, the last one. Which is Connecticut. Oh, of course. We could have called this. Yeah, we could have called this easily. Oh, we could have easily called this obviously it's Connecticut. Are we shooting? I mean did she have a question about Sandy Hook by any chance? No, they didn't go that far, but this is almost as bad and she's another fascist. Let me just look at her first before you ruin it with this clip. Let me see. She's the brunette.

17:19 I think she's pretty she's kind of like a Diamond doesn't kind of yeah diamond does like but a bit like Cindy Crawford used to look mm-hmm kind of yeah, I know I'd little probably pretty yeah, and a dime a dozen way I mean yeah, no yeah diamond doesn't and what is she five foot six no no I think she's oh she's not tall The tall one was Texas who had the best dress on. Texas is always awesome babes. But she didn't, she wasn't as pretty as the other girls and they had to bring her in with some gimmick. They had this stupid gimmick, let me explain this. So they had the top five at the end. First of all, here's the problem I have with this show. They start the show off with these 50 beautiful women.

18:01 And they come out and they introduce them all and says, we're cutting it down to 15 and then we're going to have the bathing suits. Right. Saying why can't we see 50 women in bathing suits? Yeah, really, this is a mistake. I thought it was a huge mistake and then all the women are hustled off and a lot of them are very pretty and who knows how... And are you just left clawing at your screen like, no! No, pretty much and so then you get to 15 come on Then they cut that down to 10 and then they cut it down to 5 real fast moving along This is Brooke Daniels, and then they have some bogus thing if you tweet the name of the one you want we can we can save one from the Five that been kicked off. This is Brooke Daniels is Miss, Texas. I don't know she's she's she has a mean look about her that could be whatever the case They brought Miss Texas back

18:49 What so there were six at the end? Oh, oh, okay? I get it. It's a gimmick TV wow Okay, so here's our last our last thank God test into this is gonna nail it This is gonna knock it out of the park. She well the other women if you heard their answers all of them are like that they were stammering, they didn't know what the guy was talking about. Documents, yeah I got documents. It's like they're a bunch of idiots. Hey, here's the deal, let me stop right here. If we could just get these beauty contestants to listen to no agenda, they would nail these questions. It would be a beautiful thing. Yeah, it would do them good. But they don't, so here we go. Alright, Miss Connecticut. Down to our last two. Connecticut, please join us and select a card.

19:40 Judge number seven Mo Rocco your question, please Miss Connecticut, the Supreme Court ruled that criminal suspects can be subjected to a police DNA test after arrest. Do you agree or disagree with this and why or why not? I would agree with this. I think that if somebody's being prosecuted and is committed a crime that's that severe that they should have a DNA test. I think there are so many crimes going on in this world that if that's one step closer to figuring out who has done it, I think we should absolutely do so.

20:21 Thank you. It's pre-crime. That's right, baby. Hey, we picked you up. You're guilty. Anyway, so that's your last fascist. Good work, good work. Wow, what questions. I mean this is really kind of disgusting. They used to ask questions like, do you like red or blue? I mean, which makes more sense. No, they were always kind of like world peace questions you could do. A little bit. What are you going to do about the starving children in Africa? But these questions are current events and they're a little edgy for these women. Fascinating.

21:00 That is my report. Yeah, very good report John congratulations. We another one in six months when another one of these things shows Please please no we can't have that this world And we can't have more of that that's impossible. Oh my goodness well while you were doing that I was watching C-Span Well, I was watching C-SPAN too and I have toppers for you. Go on. Well, I was, I mean there's a couple things I watched and maybe we should mix and match up the C-SPAN stuff because of course we had, Professor had Dr. Mueller back again for a second round and the most important thing that seems to be the meme that is being propagated

21:45 By everybody now is obviously you know these programs that we have of spying on US persons and I'll explain that later is Is so they're so cool so great so fantastical that if we had only had them we could have stopped 9-11 So here is We're talking about billions of phone numbers how many Yes, but let me if I could say two things. You are going to get, I know we're working through the list of numbers, or not numbers, list of cases. And of those domestically I think it'll be anywhere from 10 or 12 where 215 was important in some way, shape or form. Out of the billions of phone numbers that were collected. Yes, but let me go back to September 11th. And on September 11th, Al Mitar was one of the principal hijackers

22:37 Ultimately, I think he was in the plane that, one of the planes in New York, but I may be wrong on that, but he was a principal hijacker and the intelligence agencies were on him, tracking him through the Far East. He, nobody had him in the United States. Ultimately, he comes to the United States in 2000. I sometime thereafter the intelligence communities are on a a a number in Yemen that is known to be affiliated with with terrorists. At that point in time without this particular capability they had no... Can you stop for one second I want to point something out. The idea of these administration the way they've got these things set up is the guy asking the question gets five minutes

23:25 And so the idea is when you're a mule or something, you run down the clock, you yak and yak and yak and yak to use up the guy's five minutes. That's why you say in some form or another, the various entities that were involved in the, you know, just say anything. It's like, it's like basketball. You got to run down the shot clock. He's running down the shot clock. They should have a big timer in the corner. Yes. A big clock. Well they have one, they have the clock and the red lights it's just you don't see that on camera. I think it should be an overlay on like a lower third on screen. We should have stats. Yeah, that's what C-Smasher does, you should have a lower third with the clock ticking. You know I have a feeling that we can legitimately do that because these public hearings, that is public domain stuff so we should be able to take that video and do that and make it into, I think we've talked about this before.

24:18 It's just we have no time to do these cool ideas. We haven't got time. Identifying whether there was somebody in San Diego calling this number in Yemen. The IG report afterwards indicated that had we had this information, we may well have been able to stop the attack. Oh boy. And Chip Gregory, what's his name? Chip? Chip. Chip Gregory there on the Sunday show. He turns it around, which I think is even better and just names a whole bunch of, you know, everyone. Science is in, everyone feels this. But it's very interesting because... It's very interesting. Whenever he says it's very interesting, then pay attention.

25:02 commentators this week have pointed out commentators those can who are concerned about civil liberties imagine their reaction if there were another 9-11 style attack and what the American public would rise up to support in terms of quashing civil liberties and you go back to the immediate aftermath of 9-11 and we oh hold on a second hello hello safety this is liberty calling f*** off douchebag Alright, got it. Do we have great producers or what? We have fantastic producers. So this is pathetic. No, but it's all, this is now the thing that has come back to haunt us 13 years later or 12 years later is to, is literally shut up, shut up slave, shut up. If only we'd had these fantastic programs in place

25:55 from 9-11. We did by the way. Yeah of course we did. It's just you know what was the line it was um we didn't have the uh we didn't uh it was like something with the NSA wasn't in tune with the new technologies or some bullcrap like that but the funniest thing I don't know if you caught this at the end And this happens on C-SPAN a lot and I'm always watching because they have the cameras on before the thing starts and after it ends. And sometimes they have the mics hot. Yeah, I love that. Did you catch this? Did you catch what... Okay, so this is from Carl Alexander. What's his name? Klingon Alexander. Right after his appearance he thanks

26:45 the deputy director of the FBI and I'll play it, you may not be able to hear it through the Skype but I'll tell you what he says. Thank you. Thanks, Sean. Tell the boss. Good to see you. Tell your boss I owe him another friggin' beer. So he says there, tell your boss I owe him another frickin' beer. Him? I'm giving it to me. Yeah, you should give him to me. Alright. Really? Yeah. Tell your boss I owe him another friggin beer. So I guess they're all covering each other's ass or something like that. Yeah, well this guy came in and covered his ass, this assistant or whatever. Yeah, yeah, and the guy says to Kaiser Alexander, he says, no you should give it to me. I covered your ass.

27:35 Yeah, exactly. I mean, we covered the Obama open mic with Medvedev. How come the mainstream media won't cover this? This isn't a true outrage where the commanders, the guy with, he's got all the ribbons on, who would take... And what's the point of that, by the way? Is the head of the NSA hating the guy who started this? You know, most of the time these are authorities that aren't military. The NSA is not a military operation. Why is this guy wearing his, I guess his Army or Air Force uniform? I mean, why? What's the point? So I look, before I had this job, I look at these, see these stars? I got them on my shoulders. You haven't got one. Get out of my way. Yeah, shut up. I mean, seriously. Shut up! Now, did you see our president with Charlie Rose?

28:24 I know I heard about this. I'm glad you got this. Oh, I took several clips. I feel it is it warrants our scrutiny and analysis of What he is saying because he's being very very very clear about certain things Let me just see so first Charlie Rose appears to be his handler and it's also he's queuing him it beyond belief really Really really beyond belief so I have a couple of shorter clips which you can dump out of and then there's the one where he really gets into and and this Probably will come back to haunt him because the way he explains what is going on? It sounds nothing like reality and so this also by the way, I think we're looking at the other Obama I don't know where the the the first one is because you know, we always have two oaths for him and

29:24 One in public and then one for the other Obama in private. I think the the other Obama that's this guy He's like the they've been tag-teamed or something so here he is on the balance between privacy and security which of course is You know this whole this whole crazy notion that I specifically said one of the things we need to debate and examine is our surveillance programs because those were set up right after 9-11 and It's now been over a decade and we have to examine. And what should the debate be? Well, and what I've said and I continue to believe is that we don't have to sacrifice our freedom in order to achieve security. Oh, well now he's saying something different. We don't have to sacrifice. It used to be a balance. That's a false choice. False choice. That doesn't mean that there are not trade-offs involved in any given

30:18 program. It's not, it's just instead of giving up we just call it a trade-off. It's a different word you see. Any given action that we take. So all of us make a decision that we go through a whole bunch of security at airports. Which, when we were growing up, that wasn't the case, right? You ran up to the gate. Exactly. You know, you... Exactly. Yeah, I remember that. Five minutes to catch the plane, you're running on. Been there. And, you know, it's been a while since I went through commercial flying, but... Because I am an elitist. The experience is not the same. It's gotten worse. It's gotten worse, Prez. Right. And so that's a trade-off we make. The same way we make a trade-off about drunk driving. We say occasionally there are going to be checkpoints. They may be intrusive. He's rolling it all into one now. They may be intrusive. You know, anal probe or something. They may be intrusive. But hey, that's what we all agree on. We all agreed on it. Remember?

31:19 To say there's a trade-off doesn't mean somehow that we've abandoned freedom. I don't think anybody says we're no longer free because we have checkpoints at airports. But there is a balance here. But there is a balance. So you hear how Rose is putting the words in his mouth? Yeah, he did that time. It'll come back several times. He just keeps coming. There is a balance. And don't you think... Here is the president telling his handler that he doesn't understand, you stupid civilian, you don't understand what it's like to be me, to be the president, to have to make the hard decisions when you're in the situation room. A lot of critics have suggested that if we go in... This is about Syria, by the way.

32:04 Hot and heavy. No fly zones, setting up humanitarian corridors and so forth. Heavy artillery. Heavy artillery. He's literally telling him, you know, people understand, heavy artillery. Oh yeah, heavy artillery. He is prompting him. Rose is prompting him with all the words. Yeah, I've seen that. Okay, go on. Offers a simpler solution. But the fact of the matter is, for example, 90% of the events that have taken place haven't been because of uh... airstrikes by the syrian mil uh... air force syrian air forces and particularly good they can't be very well uh... it's been happening on the ground maybe they're not trying to kill people like you say maybe that's why the syrian air force isn't bombing people so you can go fly zone is not necessary what i'm saying is that if you haven't been in the situation around now pouring through

32:55 intelligence. Oh, he's pouring through intelligence, John. He's painting the picture. And meeting directly with our military folks. Hey, nice uniform. Asking what are all our options and examining what are all the consequences and understanding that, for example, if you set up a no-fly zone, that you may not be actually solving the problem on the ground. Or if you set up a humanitarian corridor, are you in fact committed not only to stopping aircrafts from going over that corridor, but also missiles. And if so, does that mean that you then have to take out the armaments in Damascus? And are you prepared then to bomb Damascus? And what happens if there are civilian casualties? And have we mapped all of the chemical weapons facilities inside of Syria to make sure that we don't drop a bomb on a chemical weapons facility that ends up then... I'd hate this job.

33:48 That sounds like a horrible job. You got to pour through all that intelligence and make all these decisions and my goodness, this is a very, very difficult job. I wouldn't want that job. Well, as Bush said, it's hard. Yes. What do you think the number one job of the president is really? Apparently to protect the public. What is it according to the Constitution, John? To uphold the Constitution. Uphold and protect the Constitution. Protect the Constitution. try to strike against us. We've talked mostly about national security and talked about the responsibilities around the world and you've certainly indicated by that last answer that the number one responsibility of a president is national security to keep the American people safe. Correct?

34:32 You'd think Charlie Rose would know better. He's given it to him. It is my number one priority because if I don't get that right, obviously we don't get anything right. That is so despicable. That is so... No, the whole principle of this country is based upon defending the Constitution, not the people. If you don't get the Constitution right, that's where all the other things come into play. That's what it's about.

35:17 So now the president twice... If the number one thing is to protect the public, that means the Constitution, maybe you have to get rid of that. Because that's not number one. Number one is protecting the public and maybe to protect the public we have to get rid of the Constitution. This looks like to me an end run, well I think obviously they've been trying to do this for some time, to get rid of the Constitution. Well it is a living document you know, John.

35:53 Yeah, which is, yeah, we probably, there are people like Pat Buchanan who seem very conservative, but he wants to have a constitutional convention as others do. What is that? To rewrite the damn thing. Oh, well go ahead. What difference does it make? We have the right to do that, don't we? Don't we have the right to rewrite it? Yeah, no, we do, but I don't think it's a good idea. No. Can you imagine? But a constitutional... Take a look at Obamacare. This thing will be like a thousand times bigger. It would be like the biggest, we'd be dead before we got to the end of this if we started reading it. But we'd have material all throughout our painful death. That's what would be great. We'd have material, so that's a plus. So there's some messaging here in this, and this was an hour long interview.

36:35 And you know with- Sounds pretty dull, I'm surprised you got through it. Oh, it- it- yes. In fact, I was saying to Miss Mickey yesterday, she's like, wow, you workin' a lot. I said, ugh. Because you have to listen to this boring- these two boring guys with one guy prompting the other. And then you have to go back and listen to it again to make sure you catch all the words because this guy is slick. He's so slick. Um, I'm gonna skip the things. He mentioned Apple twice, specifically about the Chiners stealing Apple secrets. What secrets did they steal? They'd be talking to the Chinese. Let's separate out the NSA issue, which I'm sure you're going to want to talk to, and the whole balance of privacy and security with the specific issue of

37:18 uh... cyber security and and and uh... our concerns with the cyber and and and so i think i'm sorry for us to know that you can't more to enrolls but yeah he's just telling him to do that you forgetting this you forgetting it heroes can remember script but no bomb i can't this obama every country still prompter either large and small engages in intelligence gathering and that is a occasional source of tension but it's generally practiced within bounds. Okay so this is very interesting because here he is saying that all countries spy on each other within kind of like the game you know it's within bounds. There is a big difference between China wanting to figure out how can they

38:06 find out what my talking points are. Just go to the teleprompter. When I'm meeting with the Japanese. uh... which is standard fare that seems to be normal apparently i find that that i think that's pretty that's quite a big revelation for president say you know yeah and we try to prevent them from right penetrating that they try to get that information there's a big difference between that and uh... a hacker directly connected with the chinese government of the chinese military uh... breaking into uh... apples software systems uh... to see if they can uh...

38:41 obtain the designs for the latest Apple product. Well, who gives a crap about that? Is that your job now to protect us from the latest iPhone being stolen by the Chinese who make the damn thing? Right, A. they have the plans in their factory called Foxconn. So what's the deal? And B. if it's some sort of new thing they're working on, it's usually patented and you can go to the patent office and take a look and print it out. But why is this? Where does this come from? Well thank you, why is this the first example he can come up with and he's saying

39:21 that it is an outrage that the Chinese government is hacking into our systems, I think he even said military in that, let me just check, to steal Apple's latest design. A hacker directly connected with the Chinese government or the Chinese military. Yeah, he's military. Yeah, the Chinese military. Hey, Huang Dong Chong, let us steal iPhone secret. We will conquer America. Nice try with the accent. Pretty good, huh? I think that was more my Japanese World War II accent. Japanese World War II guy. Everyone is green army men. Apple's software systems to see if they can obtain the designs for the latest Apple product. That's theft.

40:10 Yeah, but that's Apple's problem. That's not necessarily the government's. This is where this is leading. This is why it's troubling. If he had said something like if they're gonna go in and hack a system at the Pentagon and get the launch codes for a bunch of missiles, now that would make sense to be concerned about. But to be concerned about Apple's new iPhone? I mean what? And he keeps going with that. When the Chinese are manufacturing it? We can't tolerate that. tolerate that. What? Maybe we'll get a better phone. And so we've had very blunt conversations about this. They understand I think that this can adversely affect the fundamentals of the US-China relationship. So he apparently had a conversation with the president of China about this. We can't have you hacking into Apple, man. This is insane. Don't consider this a

41:06 a side note in our conversations. We think this is central in part because our economic relationship is going to continue to be premised on the fact that the United States is the world's innovator, we have the greatest R&D, we have the greatest entrepreneurial culture. our value added is at the top of the value chain. Stop, stop. That's great, isn't it? Now, after hearing this, now here's what Rose is going to ask. Tell me I'm wrong. He's going to say, well, doesn't this, isn't this kind of a minor thing? I mean, they, after all, China does already make the iPhone and so they have the plans in the country. And if there's some sort of innovation, they can just go to the patent office and make a copy of the patent. So what's the big deal, Obama? Now tell me that's what he does.

41:50 John, I thought you said you didn't watch the show. Ah, yeah. Because that's not what Rose says. At all. No, of course not. In fact, that clip is now over, but here is where the president takes this whole cyber security thing yet a step further in the total fascist direction. Possible extradition. I will leave it up to them to answer those questions. So what's your fear? What's your fear about this? Look, we have to make decisions about how much classified information and how much covert activity we are willing to tolerate as a society. And we could not have carried off the Bin Laden raid if it was on the front page of the papers.

42:38 So now apparently not only 9-11 but Bin Laden raid is thanks to this great program. Everybody understands that. Everyone understands. Of course, but I don't want to say what the relevance of that is. Very good, Charlie. The reason I'm saying that is that we're going to have to find ways where the public has an assurance that there are checks and balances in place that they have enough information about how we operate, that they know that their phone calls aren't being listened into, their text messages aren't being monitored, their emails are not being read by some big brother somewhere. They've got to feel that confidence. So we'll give that to them. It may not be true, but we've got to make them feel that way. And that it is not potentially subject to abuse because there are sufficient checks and balances on it.

43:33 while still preserving our capacity to act against folks who are trying to do us harm. Okay, folks who are trying to do us harm. What could that be? And it's not just terrorists. We already talked about cyber theft. We already talked about potentially critical infrastructure that could be compromised. Which he did not, by the way. Uh, you know, there were a handful of yokels up in New York. Yokels! Hold on! Yokels! Yokels! We have a new classification yokel one was Yokels what is a yokel? Hold on a second. I might got to check this Yokel a yokel. Oh, it has a wiki entry which is not scheduled for deletion. I might point out. Yeah like mine Oh, oh, this is interesting

44:30 In the United States, it's used to describe someone living in rural areas. Synonymous for yokel include country bumpkin, hayseed, chaw bacon, rube, redneck, hillbilly. Wow, that's a racial slur. Yokel is a slur. From that definition, it would be. Well, what he says, we had some yokels, some hicks. I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-

45:23 Yokel 1, I got the ATM code. Here Yokel 2, how y'all doing back? Oh, roger, roger. Are Yokels or high-end criminals? Yokels! No man, but go beyond the Yokel thing. It's not the government's job to protect the bank. It's the bank's job to protect the bank and if the bank loses my money because of some Yokels, the bank owes that to me. That's their problem. This is not a government issue. and the Justice Department and others to protect them from those things. No, I don't expect you to protect me from that. No, no, no. Wait, they got the 40 million bucks in just a few hours? 18 hours. You can't get over it. This guy's got a wrong definition of what a yokel is. You can't get past the yokel. Move on, beyond the yokel. It is not... Go on. I do not want the president to protect me from that. I'm not a pussy. I'll go to the bank.

46:32 me and the justice department and others to protect them from those things. To make sure that their bank accounts aren't being compromised, their medical records aren't being compromised. All that stuff requires the government to have some capacity to engage with the private sector and to have some capacity to debate. And we ought to have a debate about it also. Ah, so we've got to have a debate about it. Yes, we've got to have a debate about it. So what he's saying, but listen carefully, remember we've learned, you've got to listen to what this guy is saying. He specifically said banking sector, medical sector. Yeah, so we the government has to have you got to give us some leeway. We got to be able to cooperate We got to be able to share with these companies Which means we're gonna have your medical information and your financial information if you want us to protect you That's what he's saying now. This is the final clip and we can stop whenever but this is very interesting because this is where the president

47:24 explains explicitly what is and what is not happening with the PRISM program and the NSA... um... uh... and... here's their PSA. Read your tweets, email, listen to your phone calls NSA is looking out for you. Hey! Shut up! Get in line! Slave! I just love that. Before you play that clip, I want to do an interlude here. Play, what does Alexander mean? This is Keith, our buddy, with that uniform on, who's testifying before Congress. And there's a little gotcha in here that I thought was interesting that relates to what you just said. So far, rigorous oversight and compliance our government uses to balance security with civil liberties and privacy.

48:18 Let me start by saying that I would much rather be here today debating this point than trying to explain how we failed to prevent another 9-11. It is a testament to the ongoing teamwork of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency, working with our allies and industry partners, that we have been able to connect the dots and prevent more terrorist attacks. Yes. Now he sounds like, I don't know, but he needs to take some public speaking lessons. because he talks like a kid. Or some pro-regime maybe. But our industry, what did he say there? Our industry friends? Allies and industry partners. Yeah, our industry partners. So in other words, corporatism, which is what fascism is, we've said this a million times, we'll say it again. Mussolini, yep. This is, he's just essentially admitting it.

49:12 Yes, and our industry friends are probably Facebook and Google and General Electric. Probably. Where have you been the past ten years? Probably. They are, according to the slide. Let me interject because I want to thank profusely everyone who supports our program We could not be doing this analysis, nor could we have in any semblance of your imagination the time to do this if we were not supported by the people who are the producers, and that is monthly producers, that is people who help us with clips, with jingles, with ideas, etc. Yes, it also includes the people who send stupid things because, you know, from time to time, you get the good with the bad. It's a balance, a trade-off. You've got to figure it out.

50:03 But in particularly our executive and associate executive producers, which I'd like to thank first before we continue with our analysis of the Charlie Rose handling of the president. Yeah, we do have a couple for today. We have one executive producer and it's Jan Dubroka from Sharpsburg, Georgia. And now he's a knight. Sir Dubroka, protector of my family, will be his title. $410. This is completely my first knighthood plus a few extra pennies. My wife says I should be more positive, but when you hear of all the crap going on it's real hard to think positive sometimes. I guess it's true that money and power can corrupt, just wish I had more power and money. So let me say,

50:50 that you are taking the right steps because the road, the path to a healthy life and a happy life is at the very least understanding that you're being bullcrapped. And once you understand, you feel better no matter what and you should be able to rise above it because it's not the end of the world. This too shall pass. but to just know it and not be indoctrinated by fear and by You know just tickling your emotions all day long and you being able to Be within your family life like that. That's that is the road to health and happiness. Yeah, don't worry about it

51:28 Yeah, as John said, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Sir Charles Jordan in Milwaukee, Wisconsin 2222 who says he didn't get his ring last year. We've been sending rings out consistently. A lot of this, I'm going to say this right now because this is the complaint that Eric used to have and Mimi has now. She sends out an email to these people and not necessarily you Charles, but she sends out an email and she never hears back because I think they think it's spam. I don't know. That's a you know if you don't send an email if you don't get a mailing from her She always sends something out and maybe more. It's like when I do the mailing with a newsletter I look at the numbers. I got a mailing system I use mail chimp, and it tells me oh yeah 40% of the people open the email the rest of you guys just threw it away This is like a huge problem if you want to get a ring so that just saying and Robert Haggett it's already 2220 because now we get to deal with those damn pins and

52:24 Yeah, the pins are still, we're still doing rings at the moment. We have rings still. Robert Haggadis in Spring, Texas. Which is right up the road from you. Heil! 2222. Heil everybody. I wanted to wish my beautiful wife Summer a happy birthday. What a beautiful name. I got her hooked on the show and now she shows me a Oh, she calls me a boner for using PayPal. I'll get a bank draft set up soon, honey. Yeah, well, she's right. It sounds like you guys have over 100 donors in Spring, Texas. Adam, you may need to grab Ms. Mickey and truck up on here for a No Agenda meetup. We got cold beer and loaded guns. What more could you ask for? By the way, if anybody in Spring, Texas has black powder and they shoot black powder, I'll show up.

53:14 Wait, you heard it here first. Because what we're going to do, we're going to blow stuff up there in Spring, Texas? I've been to ranges where they shoot black powder and it's just the damnedest thing. For one thing, it sounds like the world's coming to an end. And I can't imagine what the Civil War must have been like with all this racket. I really enjoyed your rant on Sunday and reading of the names of our lost warriors. It really helps you put things into perspective. Thanks and gig'em. Let me take a look and see how far... Hedged us. How far is Spring, Texas really? Let me see. Spring... I think you can walk. Walk. Bike ride. I cannot walk. What are you talking about? Let's see. Spring, Texas... It's that big. You're breaking up for some reason now. Hedged us.

54:01 Let me tell you it is exactly Come on. Google. I said get directions. Oh, it's three-hour drive. It's not it's not like that's too far No, it's not. I'll drive that I drive to spring to it's above Houston if you give think if Robert here can get to make sure they get a group together It'd be worth it if they got it. Well, this is okay So this email came in and I forwarded to the shill and we were miss Mickey now We're coming back from our dance class and I read this to her. I And she went, yeah, there's a hundred people, let's go! And now that she knows that you're gonna be there if we have black powder... Wow, this is... I mean, you can fly right into Houston. Well, I'll pick you up. It is a direct flight from San Francisco to Houston. And we'll make a day of it. Sounds like a plan. Alright.

54:54 Alright, Donald Kewel, cool, cool, the thing is Kewel. Anyway, in Wyndham, New Hampshire, $200. I'm compelled to donate yet again. Adam's rant about our government killing our children last show hit home when my brother's son killed himself today. Geez. A veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan who was severely depressed after the horrific events he witnessed all in the name of freedom. And he says, fuck him. Keep going guys. You're right on at so many levels. Thank you so much and please, karma to my brother Fred. Yeah, absolutely. You've got karma.

55:34 And we have an anonymous $200 donor from Amsterdam who says he's working in the IT security and oil and gas industry. Lots of stories to bring to you soon. Yes, yes. We've gotten quite a few interesting leads from people who are from our sysadmins. They're stepping up. It's good, they know things. Josh Oman in Madison, Wisconsin, 200 bucks, he has a note. Sometime last fall, a No Agenda bot called into my local... Listen to this, everybody. I want everyone to listen to this note. A No Agenda bot called into my local NPR affiliate and hit everyone listening in the mouth.

56:17 He sounded sincere and thoughtful so I took his advice and gave the NOA Agenda show a listen. I haven't missed an episode since and from my third or fourth episode I've been looking forward to upcoming episodes. This... Wait a minute, wait a minute. That fits my definition of value for value better than any other media I am consuming right now. Huh. So someone called in to a local affiliate, promoted the show, And then he caught on to it and he is now an associate executive producer because of that. Yes. Wow, I need a clip of that. We need a clip of that promo. That's great. Still I've been waiting, just waiting for you to give me an excuse not to give you value. An excuse that is, use Adam's mocking voice, so unbelievable I would have to send you an angry email instead. It's time to accept that I'm not going to find that excuse and thank you for what you do. Wow.

57:09 I appreciate your enthusiasm, the content you assemble, your boundless skepticism and the network of contributing producers you have attracted. Thank you Josh Oman. And he put his check in for 200 bucks. He's only listened to the show four or five episodes, which kind of makes you wonder why people have been listening for years and have not helped us. And he got it from NPR. So he's a convert? Or maybe not. I listen to NPR. So anyway, I want to thank you. By the way, I want to correct him. We haven't collected these producers. We've scraped them together over the years. You know, it's like gum off of your shoe. You know, you gotta go pick them up, bring them in, reel them in. A lot of them are very sick.

57:52 We have a lot of them. But I want to thank Josh and Anonymous and Donald and Robert and Charles and Jan for helping us produce this show. 523, reminding you all to go to Dvorak.org slash NA channel, Dvorak.com slash NA, No Agenda Show, and NoAgendaNation.com. There's a donate button you can click on or you can do a time payment through the bank which is very nice. Yes, it keeps the mail running. And we will be thanking the rest of our producers for episode 523 later on. As always, the credits given out to our executive producers and associate executive producers are actual credits. You can use them anywhere where credits are accepted.

58:36 including the Producers Guild of America and Producers Guilds around the world and you will find them in the show notes at 523.nashownotes.com It is highly appreciated and also thank you to our artist Martin JJ gave us the art to the album art for episode 522 and we thank him profusely Noah Artgenerator.com and a tip of the hat to our producer who says Adam Howdy My name is Daniel, just want- I'm not gonna do his last name. Just want to let you know I will be hosting a skateboarding competition this Friday the 21st for National Go Skateboarding Day. And as PR for the show, I'll have a no agenda table full of free CDs of the latest show to give out. I'll take some pics to send y'all. Hopefully I'll be able to convert the shittisons to citizens and turn the El Paso boners into donors.

59:23 That way I don't have to call them out as douchebags anymore, and I'm pretty sure that he'll he'll pick up a couple people The the skaters I think that's all you have to do. I think the scam well It's also the skaters is kind of in our It's kind of in our genre there. And let me say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry. And I was too willing to say in the morning to all the ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. And of course, the human resources in the chat room at no agenda stream dot com, no agenda chat dot net. Dvorak dot org slash and just before we continue with our analysis of the Charlie Rose interview, here's a formula. Our formula is this. We go out.

1:00:06 We hit people in the mouth. That's right, at skateboarding competitions. No service for you! Shut up, slave. Very nice. Alright, good, good, good, good, good. We're off to a, we're on a roll here. Okay, so let's continue with the president, because here is where Something interesting came up, which was interpreted incorrectly by many across the interwebs. Of course, we have the analysis that you need, so let's listen to it. With respect to the NSA, a government agency that has been in the intelligence gathering business for a very long time. Bigger and better than everybody else. Bigger and better than everybody else. Now, really? Was that necessary?

1:00:59 Was that really necessary, Charlie Rose? What was that? Bigger and better than anybody else. Bigger and better than anybody else. Is he working for him or what's the deal? Well, Charlie Rose is working for somebody. But for him to say bigger and better than the NSA... Hold on, Mr. President, let me interrupt your valuable time to tell you the NSA is bigger and better than anybody else. Does he mean bigger and better than the CIA? Does he? I think he might. I think being bigger and better than what's now what was once the KGB Maybe I don't know my six and mi5 but the president clearly says yes, right Charlie bigger and better anybody else bigger and better you're interesting I'm sure the CIA is very appreciative of that. Oh, yeah for sure And we should take pride in that because they're extraordinary professionals they're dedicated to keeping the American people safe Yeah, which is job one

1:01:48 Remember Ford didn't Ford have that commercial built tough Ford is job one something like that wasn't that like Ford's Ford Ford at Ford safety is job one something like that we should look that up What I can say unequivocally is unequivocally is unequivocally in a clinic on a quibble I guess that's right unequivocally sounded weird so he's got me beat on that if you are a US person ah A US person? What is a US person? Is that a citizen? Well, you know, okay, you looked into this, I looked into it. What did you find out? Well, this is a legal term that the president is using because he's slick.

1:02:39 And he uses this specifically to point out, and if you look at the book of knowledge, that a US person is not just a citizen of the United States. It includes, and this is a big eye-opener for all you Obama bots, it includes corporations and companies. Because guess what? Corporations are people, my friend. It turns out that's true. Regulation S, this is for the Securities Act but also is for the NSA. A citizen of the United States is a U.S. person, an alien lawfully admitted under permanent residence, an unincorporated association with a substantial number of members who are citizens of the U.S. or are aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence, which is basically the no agenda show is now a person, a U.S. person, the way I read that.

1:03:28 We're unincorporated, we're in association with a substantial number of members who are citizens or are aliens lawfully admitted. We are a U.S. person. This show, no agenda show, a U.S. person. Or a corporation that is incorporated in the U.S. That is the definition of a U.S. person. But also if you look at the Securities and Exchange Commission under Rule S, it can be in a state of any executor, any trust of which a trustee is a U.S. person. Any agency or branch of a foreign entity located in the United States, so any embassy is a US person? The list goes on and on and on. What did you come up with?

1:04:06 Not that. That's what I came up with. I think you've got nothing to top that with. That's what a US person is. Yeah, apparently. In fact, all I know is it keeps cropping up and it didn't just start cropping up like yesterday. No. I saw this in executive order which is used a lot of... people should read this thing by the way. This is the executive order 12333 or called... it's usually referred to as 12333. Which is the order that gives the NSA all this power and and it goes back pre Reagan I believe it was in the 70s. Yes, and It's been modified a few times, but I've gone through the modifications I spent too much time on that and got nowhere really as the modifications were just been moving commas I couldn't find any really real killer in there. That's interesting, but did you find something I?

1:04:59 Well, you might find, you know, if you do this, which is looking at the changes in 12333, over time I'll bet you find something interesting. I didn't. No, I'm going to look at that. But I did see persons used in that thing consistently and they've changed the word, the one thing I did find, I couldn't figure out why, maybe you can figure it out. They've changed all references to agencies like intelligence agency or agencies of the CIA or agencies of the government. They've changed all the words of the word agency to element. Oh really? Yeah. I can soon be part of the natural world. It could be on the periodic table of elements. The elements. Still have natrium. It's an element. Chloride? CIA! There you go. But it does proscribe in 12333 the CIA doing anything domestically. It's real strong in there and they have not changed that. So the CIA is kind of sitting on the sidelines as the NSA is getting all the publicity for being so big and great.

1:06:00 The term US person is used in the context of data collection and intelligence by the United States, particularly with respect to the provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. if information from, about, or to a US person who is not a named terrorist is captured in the course of US foreign intelligence activities, there are strict rules about preserving the anonymity of such a person in any subsequent intelligence report. Only if the US person informant is relevant to the report is it included. So, essentially, it's everything and everybody under the sun that is within our borders is a US person.

1:06:39 Even if you even if you're in corporate if you're a corporation somewhere else if you got an office here, you are a US person fair game Okay, and so there's a reason why the president uses this and this was incorrectly interpreted by many freedom and liberty people as He can't even say citizen. He can't even bring him sick cuz he's not a citizen himself But those are the yokels you see by the way when someone asked me what I do from now on as I'm saying I'm a yokel and I think I can have business cards made. Adam Curry. Used to be local yokel. That's what you should make it rhyme a little. I'm a local yokel. Oh cool! Nice! I'm a local yokel too! The NSA cannot listen to your telephone calls.

1:07:29 and the NSA cannot target your emails and have not. He said now now what is he saying? What is Rose doing? Well he's accentuating you know um you know how does he wait wait wait wait wait how does he know they have not? How does Rose know anything? Because he's his handler. Did you not hear me set this whole thing up now? He's by the way. He's used issues about misusing words. They can read your email. They can't he didn't say that He didn't say that he said target He didn't say read, he said target. What does that mean? Well, he didn't even saw, but I mean he's using, he's got a real misuse of language here, but go on, let's play it out. So, so Rose, let me just, Rose is like, you know, if you get like the rap guys, they always have a dude next to them, so he doubles the, you know, doubles the lyric or says, yeah, that's right, bitches. That's what Rose is doing here. Like the NSA cannot and will not and will not. And this is total, this is like a rap duo.

1:08:33 cannot listen to your telephone calls and the NSA cannot target your emails and have not and have not they cannot and have not. That is terrible. And he repeats it because he's forgetting the script this is the new Obama and Rose is there to hold his hand. By law and by rule. By law and by rule. Ugh, write this down John because that means something. I couldn't figure it out. But when you... We've learned this. This guy is slick. By law and by rule. So rule is not a law. Okay? So something's up with that. I hate having to second guess this guy but you can't trust him. And unless...

1:09:18 They, and usually it wouldn't be they, it would be the FBI, go to a court and obtain a warrant and seek probable cause. The same way it's always been. The same way when we were growing up and watching movies, you know, you want to go set up a wiretap, you got to go to a judge. Now this is very smart what he's doing here. He's giving everyone the theater of the mind where you have the guys in the van with the Bakelite headphones. I'm listening in to the phone calls right now because we have a warrant from the judge. But of course, he wants to remove from your entire thought pattern the idea that you correctly pointed out, John, that all these calls are already recorded and stored and that they don't give a crap about wiretapping, listening in in the van across the street with the curtains drawn. No, they're just going to retrieve everything you've done so far.

1:10:10 Every text message, every email, every phone call, everything. We'll find something. You did something wrong somewhere. Yeah, but then they will get the warrant. Get a warrant and then they say, well, you know, we're getting a warrant from Curry and we need all his records and they're going to, besides busting into your place and making a mess and then not cleaning it up and they won't find anything. Then they collect all your phone calls for the last five years, all your email. I am text messages and they'll sift through them with the warrant and find and figure and then frame you right so let's continue show probable cause and Then the judge but any of those been turned down all the requests to FISA courts have they been turned down at all Let me finish Charlie because I want to make sure this debate has gotten cloudy very quickly. All right, so exactly exactly Point number one if you're a US person again US person

1:11:10 then NSA is not listening to your phone calls and it's not targeting your emails. Again he says targeting instead of reading. Why won't he just say reading? Because he's lying. Well he's not, he's technically not lying. You gotta be careful with this guy. Unless it's getting an individualized court order. That's the existing rule. There are two programs that were revealed by Mr. Snowden. Mr. Snowden. allegedly, since there's a criminal investigation taking place. And that caused all the ruckus. Program number one. I think it's the yokels that caused the ruckus, if you ask me. Called the 2015 program. What that does is it gets data from the service providers. Now let's be very specific. John, you're going to want to write this down because this clip is going to come back to haunt this man. Like a Verizon.

1:12:06 Isn't this 215? Section 215, yes. He said 2015. He said 215. He said something weird like 215 or anything to make it not sound like what it really is. He used a different, you want to hear it? Yeah. He said 215 or something like that. And that caused all the ruckus. Program number one. called the 2015 program. 2015? That's what I said. He doesn't even know what he's talking about. 2015. No, he's thinking 2015 because something's coming due on in the year 2015 and it was on his mind. I think he has a balloon payment on his mortgage. What that does is it gets data from the service providers like a Verizon in bulk and basically you have

1:13:00 Now, he's very specific about this. So there's nothing else in there, no geographic data, and all it is is the number, which number called which number, what time, and how long the call lasted. He's being very specific about this. So that database is sitting there. Now, if the NSA through some other sources, maybe through the FBI, maybe through a tip that went to the CIA, maybe through the NYPD, gets a number

1:13:50 that where there's a reasonable, articulable suspicion that... And it's hard to articulate articulable. ...this might involve foreign terrorist activity related to Al-Qaeda and some other international terrorist actors, then what the NSA can do is it can query that database to see does this number pop up? Did they make any other calls? And if they did, Those calls will be spit out, a report will be produced, it will be turned over to the FBI. At no point is any content revealed because there's no content in the database. So I hear you saying I have no problem with what NSA has been doing. Well let me finish, because I don't. God, did he sound like Ron Blum there for a minute or what? Seriously, that was weird. What happens then is that the FBI, if in fact it now wants to get content,

1:14:48 If, in fact, it wants to start tapping that phone. It's got to go to the FISA court with probable cause and ask for a warrant. But has FISA courts turned down any request? Because, first of all, Charlie, the number of requests are surprisingly small. No! Yes, what are you talking about? There's over 30,000 of them. That's small. That's surprisingly small. And by the way, this is the second time he asked the question because everyone knows the FISA court I think has refused out of 30,000 requests or so. Zero. Zero. Like three. No, I don't think any. Because it was the guy's own number, I guess, on the court. Right. So he's being very... Now there's also this concept of content.

1:15:36 You know, this is only because we've learned we've got to listen to what he's saying. So, you know, the definition of content, I'm not sure what that means exactly. But he's being very specific here, but he's also, and this is what I find kind of cool, he's averting or avoiding the entire conversation about what is really going on, about the wholesale tapping of all the data streams and storing it in in whatever NSA liquid storage facility that is being built or already exists. So this is about a procedure that is after the fact, but he's not denying that everything is being stored and ready-made for any future retrieval. Number two, folks don't go with a query unless they've got a pretty good suspicion. That by the way is a country song.

1:16:33 Folks don't go with the query unless there's some pretty good suspicion. I'm worried. Transparent in some way. It is transparent. That's why we set up the FISA court. Look, the whole point of... The secret FISA court is transparent. My concern before I was president, because some people say, well, Obama was this raving liberal before, now he's Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney sometimes says, yeah, you know, he took it all lock, stock and barrel. My concern has always been Not that we shouldn't do intelligence gathering to prevent terrorism, but rather are we setting up a systems of checks and balances? So on this telephone program you've got a federal court with

1:17:15 independent federal judges overseeing the entire program and you've got Congress overseeing the program not just the intelligence committee not just the judiciary committee but all of Congress had available to it before the last reauthorization exactly how this program works now. Yeah, where they got railroaded through. One last point I want to make because what you'll hear is people say Okay, we have no evidence that it has been abused so far. Wait a minute, didn't FISA get renewed on like January 1st? Didn't the president sign it like a New Year's Eve or something? Maybe, maybe. I mean, there's, I think the NDAA was in that category. And they say let's even grant that Obama's not abusing it. There are all these processes, DOJ is examining it, it's being audited, it's being renewed periodically, etc. The very fact that there's all this data, in bulk,

1:18:07 It has the enormous potential for abuse because they'll say, you know, you can, when you start looking at metadata, even if you don't know the names, you can... Wait a minute, now all of a sudden there's metadata. Match it up. If there's a call to an oncologist and it's a call to a lawyer, you can pair that up and figure out maybe this person's dying and they're writing their will and you can yield all this information. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, thank you for that outstanding example. Another good example of why this is bad. True. Except for the fact that for the government under the program right now to do that it would be illegal. No, but this is what's the point. That's why Snowden came out saying this was illegal. He said he could he can do these phone calls he could listen in and that's the point of his whistleblowing which is what whistleblowers do they say look you guys are doing something that's illegal.

1:18:57 We would not be allowed to do that. So what are you going to change? Are you going to issue... Wait a minute, but we're not allowed to do it! Any kind of instructions to the Director of National Intelligence, Mr. Clapper, and say I want you to change it at least in this way. Here's what we need to do. Oh, nothing needs to be changed according to these people. Before I say that, and I know that we're running out of time, but I... I'm running out of time. What? I want to make sure I get very clear on this. Because there's been a lot of this. He said this there was like 20 minutes left in the interview information out there There is a second program called the 702 program. Uh-huh and what that does is That does not apply to any US person has to be a foreign entity It can only be narrowly related to he's eating that right now. She's going. She's like I don't know what you just said, but I'm talking about something else I'm just not gonna address that question. You want to hear the last minute or you done? No, I'm died. This is oh, this is no, this is I'm done. I

1:19:53 We get the picture. Yeah, but so we're keeping this clip because this will come back to haunt him because he is saying things that just you know he's he literally says people don't trust me but you got to trust me because it would be illegal to do what we're being accused of doing. So you got to trust me because I'm the president. My job is to protect you. I wouldn't do that. No. Bad. Well, I got to just since we're still on this kind of a topic, I can find my clips. We do have Alexander.

1:20:30 I got the one, I gave you the one clip earlier, I got another one which is kind of along the same lines. And I do have a, this is kind of like an ask Adam, this is Alexander, and you know the so-called 50 incidents. Yes. You know after the billions and billions of dollars. I think they should just put a sign up, if you want to do a terrorism we'll give you $100,000 not to. They'd save so much money. Yeah. But anyway, so here's the 50 instances and I gotta ask you this after you play this. In a classified setting gives every one of those cases for your review. We'll add two more today publicly, we'll discuss, but as the chairman noted, if we give all those out, we give all the secrets of how we're tracking down the terrorists as a community and we can't do that.

1:21:14 Okay, let me ask you this question. So he's saying that we got 50 incidents and we're gonna give you tell you what they are in a classified setting but we'll give two to the public which are the two bogus one we've talked about on the last show. The beauty store heist. Yeah, and some other dumb thing that had nothing to do with the NSA. No, it was the guy who was going to blow up Wall Street. Right, the stock exchange. Who was given the phony explosives by the FBI. Yeah, the guy who set them up. The Patsy. Yeah, the Patsy. Yeah. That's got nothing to do with the NSA. So there's 48 other incidents that they can't talk about because it'll give away the tech. Wait a minute, let me get this. I'm going to ask you this. By telling me that somebody tried to blow up the Bay Bridge

1:21:57 on January 7th, 2005 and that was one of the things we thwarted. That's what you'd say. How does this give away anything? They're not going to give the case file out, they're just going to mention it. Right? Yeah. If you're gonna say, well give us the example of 50, okay here's example one on January 2nd 2003 there was this, on January 10th 2004 there was this, and they do all 50 of them, they just tell you what they were, what horrible things could have happened but they didn't, they were stopped. How does this have anything to do with methodology?

1:22:34 That would be giving it away to the terrorists. What's the method? Where's methodology and exemplification? How are the two the same? How is an example have anything to do with methodology? And why does everybody just lap this bull crap up? There aren't 50, that's the point. That's the kind of question I want to see on the Miss America pageant. Well, I don't think it's bullcrap because, you know, there's 48 states and we got Hawaii and Alaska, there was 50. So if we give you those two, then clearly the terrorists can't win. It's all about education. Thank you, Miss Texas.

1:23:15 Now, the... It's fine to be really annoying that this continues and nobody... there's one or two and if somebody gets into it and they start yelling and screaming or saying this is bullcrap then they get... You're a terrorist. Shut up. They're terrorists. Shut up. I love the fact that now they're just rolling everything out about the G20 spying. You heard about that in the UK? Oh yeah, this has become a scandal and it's hurting the G8 media. No it's not! No it's not hurting the G8. No, no, no. Here's the G20 clip.

1:23:53 It is a very serious revelation, I would imagine. This is Don Lemon. God, he's getting... he's starting to flaunt it a little bit, don't you think? But I would think that most people might not find this out of the ordinary, so... How can he say this? This is what kind of gets me, is that, oh, we don't find this strange. What is the big revelation in all of this? What's the takeaway here? I think there are going to be several takeaways. One is the timing. It seems to be time to embarrass the British government. The G8 summit is getting underway right now. So it couldn't come at a worse time. Absolutely couldn't. So this is Nick Robertson, who used to set up the satellite dish for CNN. He's now the senior correspondent for All Foreign Affairs. And he's talking about the G8

1:24:42 in this regard, which I have a clip from Haiku Herman from. The real embarrassing part of the G8 is that they went to Northern Ireland to have this. Do you know that, because Northern Ireland is a ghost town, that they, you can Google this, they put up pictures In the shop windows, the closed empty shop windows, they put up pictures to make it look like there was a bakery, a butcher shop. Have you seen this? Yeah. So that's the disgusting part of the G8. And the other... Sorry. Well, there's also when you see some of the footage of the kind of armored vehicles and crazy... Yeah. They're spending like $70 million... For lunch.

1:25:24 Just lunch? On security at this obscure place out in the middle of nowhere? Uh-huh. Yeah, well, of course. Let's leave behind, you see. We gotta leave some stuff behind. ...revelation will be some of the specific targeting. Setting up a fake internet cafe to trick delegates at this summit. Why do you... Do you get this vision that there was some African guy with a hat and the robe and they were like, hey, come on, you can do your internet over here and this... Yeah, yeah, let me get this straight. You have a summit of some of the biggest elites in the world and to get on the internet they have to go to an internet cafe.

1:26:02 I can just see the guy, you know with the colorful hat. I feel right at home from Nigeria. I'm always used to doing my internet in the cafe. the phone calls in real time of these delegates and this information to be fed to British ministers in real time so that they can make real-time decisions during this summit about how they deal with it and get the outcome they want. And meanwhile our president's worried about the Apple iPhone. We suck!

1:27:00 Yeah, compared to this kind of spying. Brits got it down. But perhaps very embarrassing and again, this is one of the going to be the takeaway revelations that very careful monitoring of the Russian president, then Dmitry Medvedev. Bull crap. What this is all about always, always, bottom line always, is getting the goods on some guy ordering a hooker It's best if it's a homosexual or transgendered or weird or leather or underage or something weird. And that's what this is all about. Always the leverage, always.

1:27:36 that's what it's always about and we know that this would it be about this whole thing the snooping the basis of most snooping and i think this falls right into the NSA and everyone else's blackmail so here's the haiku Herman about the G8 which if you know how everyone like Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley and everyone's at at the Bilderberg conference which was in Elton John's town there was it? Yeah, it's someplace. There's again, of course, I think you say I come around to some of your concepts. I think you've come around to mine on this one. It's a drinking club. It's a drinking club. The real New World Order is these guys. The most important moment of this G8 meeting was the meeting we had on Syria. It's a very divisive issue. The events are tragic and

1:28:28 It struck me that everybody made an effort to come closer in their positions. And so we decided as soon as possible to start the Geneva Conference. Okay, so what does this mean? So these eight people, and these are the top guys. truly the top including Putin and Obama and Merkel and haiku and everyone's there so this is this is the China guy they're all there they decided to do the Jeep the Geneva conference about Syria with the aim of it transitory government with real executive powers. So they just decide, like hey, they just took over the place. Let's just fuck this guy. Right before our very eyes they took over the place. Yeah, let's just fuck this guy out. There's a lot of things to be done.

1:29:17 But the political will to engage in negotiations was very clearly present in the meeting with the Russians and with the Americans. Now he's going to tell us how it's different from the G20, which is what that spying was all about. We are not speaking with speaking notes, with papers most of the time. It is a free conversation and even if we speak on what's happening in the European Union, for instance, we do it spontaneously. So this creates a special climate. It's totally different in the G20 meetings where it is more ritual, more formalized because we are also with many, many more actors than at the G8 meetings. Exactly. There's more actors. Why does he say this? Everyone's using that term actor. Because they're actors. So let's remind people who's in the G8, which is actually nine people.

1:30:16 You have Canada, Harper, France, Hollande, Germany, Merkel, Italy, Enrico Letta, Japan, Abe, Russia, Putin, United Kingdom, Cameron, Barack Obama and Haiku Herman. Who's the ninth man out? Isn't China in? No, no, no, no, no. I thought they were a part of the G8. No, no, no, no. Oh. They can be their own little G8 all by themselves. Pretty much. No, they're not in. And so they all sit there and talk about it. This is pretty European-centric with Japan as kind of the outsider and Russia a little bit. And they run the world, pretty much. Yeah. This is the new world order. No Brazil, nothing from the southern hemisphere whatsoever. No Australia, no Brazil. How about the Brazil? Nobody, no African countries. Hey, how about the Brazil, by the way? Nobody from the Middle East.

1:31:10 I love that Brazil. They're going crazy. Oh, Brazil, yeah, I know we have to get on this one because this is typical Western European style coverage and Brazil meanwhile is just blowing up because of a 25 cent increase in the fare on a bus. No, no, no, they're just sick and tired of it. It's just like the thing that happened in Turkey where they began with a little protest. You know, these things are, some of these little protests can blow up to big deals and these governments don't realize that they may be sitting on a time bomb with something else. Immediately give in on the first thing. Just give in. Well, I saw some of the video and this is not like a little CIA USAID stirrup that someone did. In Brazil? Yeah, no, this is real. These people are fucking pissed. Yeah, that's why it's not being covered. Yeah, well, I got this coverage. Hundreds of thousands on the streets, the biggest demonstrations in Brazil for two decades.

1:32:07 The mood of what started as a peaceful gathering in Rio de Janeiro soon changed. Processors threw rocks at police and set fire to the state assembly building. The trigger, an increase in the price of bus fare in Sao Paulo. It's not because... 20 cents. You can't actually hear it very well. You should look at the video report, because you can't really hear what they're saying. And by the way, oh, they're pretty down there in Brazil. So beautiful, these people. And they're all saying, you know, we're sick and tired. We're sick and tired of this World Cup coming in. There's eight... Right, and then the Olympics, all the money's gonna be wasted. Yeah, so we get nothing. It's equal to Africa. Remember when they had the World Cup in Africa? It's the same thing. No difference. And then, you know, the Brazilians get nothing. They get, you know, here, have a stick. Stick. Here, have a vuvuzela to blow on outside the stadium, outside the safe zone.

1:33:05 And they can go blow on their horn somewhere else and then the elites come in. And yeah, it's FIFA. They get all the money. FIFA, this horrible organization, the International Football Federation. And the IOC, the International Olympic Committee. The elite crap-hole a-holes of the universe. And thank you, the slaves are finally sick and tired of it. You're right, that's why it's not being covered because we could take an example. Because all you have to do is just come out in these numbers and then what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Not much you can do when you have a quarter of a million people in Brazil can get a crowd together. Oh yeah. And they seem to be enjoying it. Like party, you know. Well, the Brazilians are the number one party capital of the world. And they hate that by the way. They don't really necessarily like

1:33:56 The idea that when you think of Brazil, all you can think of is carnival and football. They're tired of that too. I don't know about that. That's in this report. If you look at the whole report, they're like, we're tired of that. We want to, we want to, they're tired of getting scammed, but we want to do more. I've never ever noticed a Brazilian being tired of being a partier. No, of having that brand, that label. Look, I'm just telling you what I saw. So, now let's see, let's go across the globe to Heiko Herman's backyard to Belgium. Now, I've lived in Belgium, Ms. Mickey has lived in Belgium, we've both, we grew up in the Netherlands, we've seen this change, we've seen the third infiltration of the Ottoman Empire which we've discussed many times on this program and now

1:34:46 It's just about to get very real in Belgium, which as you recall has pretty much been without a government since we started this show. Right. And now look what's happening. Well, of course it's very worrying to see what's happening now. We see people from an Islamic background forming their own political parties now and demanding the introduction of Sharia law in an Islamic state in Belgium. We've always predicted this but up till now Muslim people mainly supported the socialist parties and other leftist parties but now they feel apparently confident enough

1:35:51 to make their own party and to make their own revocations. This is something really worrying, I think. Many Belgium cities, including Brussels, have neighborhoods with mainly Muslim populations. Don't you think it's only natural for those people to want their representatives to be in power? Well, first of all, the people who come into our country, and I'm not talking about just Belgium, but any other country in the European Union, people coming into the EU should adapt to a set of values, I think. Good luck. Good luck. Well, this is clearly a right-wing propagandist, but this is the feeling that

1:36:35 that is going on all over Europe and we've been talking about this for a long, long time on this show and it's going to happen in our lifetime. We're going to see It's going to get very, very ugly. And I think this is your 2017 mark, John. It's going to get really ugly in Europe. It really is. You have no... It's so hard for us in America to imagine. We're the big melting pot and we've got every kind of person walking around. And for some reason it works. I can't explain it. But when you've had a thousand, it's like a thousand years

1:37:13 of a closed society, closed culture and all these independent Europe states as they're now known, had kind of kept to themselves and now you get this actual infiltration. It's going to come to a head. People are going to start freaking out. Anders Breivik was just the beginning of what you're going to see in Europe. Right now the number of Muslims in Europe has grown from 29 million in 1994 to 44 million. The Muslim population is projected to exceed 58 million by 2030. They account for about 6% of Europe's total population, up from 4%. It's going to go up to 8.

1:37:54 I can see where they would get into areas where they could take over the local government and then vote in Sharia law and see what happens because it would be just... It'll get in. It's a lot of people. If you have 8% of your population at one ethnic group that can actually get out and vote because you know you have these you know as it was part of a religious movement and everyone you know all these people vote most people vote you know what if forty percent of the population votes typically fifty and you have this this small percentage looks bigger because they all actually get out and vote. I think it could be an interesting situation. 2017 I think was your number, right? Well that's when, yeah, that's an economic number. It's not the war number. The war number is 2020. Oh, is that when the war starts or ends? No, actually the way it works, and if you look at it, it's an 80-year cycle. It started with the American Revolution. 80 years later we had the Civil War. 80 years later, you can check these numbers, 80 years later we had World War II.

1:38:54 and 80 years later is 2020 and that will be something. Now, World War II for example started before we got involved. Right. Yeah. But it's still basically on this 80 year pattern and so in 2020... and the thing is, this is one of the things I've been trying to find which is the indicators of what the war will be. Will it be a war against China? I don't think so. I think it's going to be what it looks like it's because the sense has never been resolved it wasn't resolved in World War one where wasn't a big war for us but if we've got involved at the end it wasn't resolved in World War one it wasn't resolved but before World War one there's all these fighting fighting going on it wasn't resolved in World War two as we can see by today's politics

1:39:35 And yeah, you can put together a European Union and you won't have war supposedly, but you have a civil war. Even if you had a one world government, you have civil wars. Same thing, ethnic strife. It's going to happen again. I think it's going to happen in Europe. I think this may be part of it. And it's possible that because of the economic situation of 2017, which is your prediction, according to your cycle, that they may have to move the war forward because war does of course, that's how you get out of economic problems. You have a big war. That's a Marxist economic thesis but I'm not sure that's true. But... Well, hello, who's running Europe? You're telling me these aren't Marxist a-holes? Yeah, well it's true. That's my point. I'm not saying let's do this.

1:40:21 But we'll see. I'm a lover, not a fighter. This is material for the show the way I see it. And I'm all with you. Good news, good news. They finally have a buyer for the Greek port. Remember they were asking 800 million euros for it? Right. Sold for 400 million euros. How is it possible? This is the the Hellenic Republic asset development fund who is doing this now? This is the the same way they they ruined East Germany when they were not ruined But they stole all the all the goods all the assets with the fund which is basically all the banksters sit in this fund and so this Hellenic Republic asset development fund which you can find at HR a DF comm I mean there is so much cool stuff for sale John and

1:41:16 I think we should get in on it. Let me give you the options here. We have the international broadcast centers for sale. There's 28, let me see, there's camping. Would you like a camping ground? How about the thermal springs? Would you like to buy that? Oh, that would be cool. Let's take a look at the thermal springs. Hold on. What do they want for that? Let's see. Thermal Springs. Wellness and thermal tourism. They give us some background here. This is Adapasys. Location, very popular thermal spa destination in Greece. Located in northwestern coastal front of the Evia Island.

1:41:53 Access from the mainland, temperature, beautiful temperature. There's a couple of them, there's like seven or eight of these. There's no, for further inquiries you have to contact them. So there's eight thermal springs for sale. Is there anything, would you like some infrastructure? Well, it depends. Is it something you can charge money to get people to use? Yes, we have the motorway. Oh, I love the motorway. Or do you want the public power corporation? Or regional airports? Actually, public power is probably a better idea.

1:42:29 places for sale digital dividend what's that what's the digital dividend that's also the radio oh oh server phone you can get know the frequencies the radio frequency spectrum is a valuable national resource of high potential that's why we're selling it to a holes from outside the country it facilitates the operation of commercial TV radio broadcasting and mobile telecommunication providers we should be getting us some frequencies we can get 790 to 862 megahertz That's what they call the digital dividend. And then also... That's AM, of course. Uh, that's... no, that's... no. 790 megahertz? Oh, you're right, that is AM. Yeah. That's high for AM. They went too much for it, is that what you're saying? They're not giving you prices, that's what I hate. We can also get the... This is typical. It's like going into an art dealer. Yeah. When you don't see prices next to the art and you know it's a rip-off. And they'll have like an orange sticker on some of them like someone really bought it. Yeah, right.

1:43:29 And then there's also the 2.5 gig to 2.69 gig band, which is basically... was that Wi-Fi? Yeah, well, 2.3 is Wi-Fi, so it's in that area. It's probably for licensed over-the-air internet kind of thing. I just find it... For phones, phones, good for phones. I really get bile in my throat when I read how this is being done and how they're just selling it all off. Who is they? The fund. The Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund. Who are these people? Okay, well we have gone through this. Yeah, they're a bunch of douchebags. Greece, of all places, and the thing we always have to remember for people who are new to the show, we've researched this to death in Greece, Greece is the most productive workers, workforce, period, in terms of productivity numbers. They're way over the top. So why did they somehow take it in the shorts in all this?

1:44:28 Malarkey. The Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund was established on the 1st of July 2011 under the medium-term fiscal strategy from the Troika, of course. The new law aimed to restrict governmental intervention in the privatization process and its further development within a fully professional context, i.e. bring in some outside a-holes to do it for us. Board of Directors. I think we've done this, Board of Directors. We have Stelios Stavridis. He's the president and chairman of the board. What is he from? He is... Probably a bank. No, they're all bankers. He's the honorary chairman of the Franchise Association of Greece, whatever that is. Who's this guy? Yanis Emeris, born in Athens, graduate of the Athens School of Economics, MBA from Columbia.

1:45:19 Alpha Bank, okay, yeah, Alpha Bank. There's one banker. Andreas Trapopadnyzanyz, he is a post bank banker. Gee, it's bankers, John, how could this be? And then we have another guy. It's all bankers. Yeah, they got a nice boardroom though, wow. Bitchin' chairs. So that is in many countries future. Many, many countries can look forward to this awesomeness. But it's just, meanwhile, it just kind of continues. So no, we... By the way, just since we're talking about the G8, just play the global tax avoidance clip, just the beginning of it, because this is what they were supposed to be talking about, not Syria.

1:46:03 and had planned to discuss issues such as global tax avoidance and sustainable economic growth but it looks like rising tensions over the escalating crisis in Syria are going to eclipse that formal agenda. So, apparently they had an agenda before this, you know, unlike our show. They had an agenda and it was, and I guess they're very preoccupied with this global tax avoidance problem that all these countries have. Because, you know, one country's storing their money in some other country and then other countries. And so they've got to put a stop to it. But they didn't get to it. They're going to have to have another meeting. Yeah. Because Obama had to go off to speak at the at the Brandenburg, the Bilderberg gate.

1:46:48 Yes. Now, this was problematic for our president. He was sweating, it wasn't really working out, and what is... since when do we put him in an aquarium? Did you see that? Oh, that's right. Yeah. I mean, are the Germans out to kill our president? Well, because he spies on them, maybe. Well, so here's a, let's listen to the hagiographic commentary from the Obama bot channels. President Obama calls... This is a compilation of CNN. For freedom, equal opportunity and a reduction in the world's nuclear stockpiles. This is in a historic speech in Germany. This happened earlier today.

1:47:31 Back in Berlin, Barack Obama in the footsteps of Reagan and JFK. The images are awesome. You can't be at the Brandenburg Gate without hearkening back to so many moments in history. Yeah, I can. Because it sucked. It was a horrible speech. He was stumbling all over himself. He was not standing there out in the free. He was in an aquarium because I guess the Germans are going to shoot him. And here's MSNBC on hard noggins. He has gotten along very well with Merkel. There's a relationship there. What is that relationship? You know, I wondered about that. I wondered if it isn't what he started with. We don't look like the normal, normal leaves. They're kind of outside. He's from the east. She's, he's African American.

1:48:14 America. Yeah, that thing from the East is almost like a minority. Exactly, exactly. They're both outsiders who are now leading these societies. I think in a way, you know, Barack and Angela are the new Ronnie and Maggie. No. Now, here's the funniest. So, of course, as Chris Matthews, the Obama-bot extraordinaire, you have to explain why this was not... This was all set up, obviously. They had their talking points, they had their scripts. It's legendary. Oh, the Germans loved it. It looked so New World Order-ish, by the way.

1:48:52 And then, you know, but then he was sweating, he was stumbling, he wasn't getting the words out, and of course you need to be apologetic, and how do we do that? ...last Chris, what is that, what is the headline? Well I think a lot of the problem he had today was the late afternoon sun in Berlin I think ruined his use of the teleprompters and so his usual dramatic wind-up was ruined. I think he was really struggling with the text there. But on the more, I think the headline's gonna be balance. Teleprompter because of the sun? I can see that happening. Of course, that's exactly what happened. And then he falls apart. And so that's an excuse? Yes. I can't read the teleprompter so now I can't talk? I'm not that good anymore. How about what a pro does on TV?

1:49:35 They have the printout in front of them and usually they're flipping the page. People have seen this. You watch an anchor, the ones that really know what they're doing. I mean if you're an amateur, and I've had this happen to me, the teleprompter blows up and then you got your papers in front of you and then you got to stumble through, and you got to flip through trying to find your place. The pros, and you'll watch them do this, they're talking and then they flip a page. They're talking and they're not even looking at the paper. They're looking at the prompter and the prompter's telling them where the page is ending and they reach down and they flip a page and you see them flipping pages but not looking at these pages. That is what you're supposed to do and Obama needs to move to this model because if he can't speak, if the teleprompter drops dead, he's doomed. It makes him look like an idiot.

1:50:21 Well, he pretty much... Don't you think it'd be funny if he was flipping paper? He was flipping paper. You didn't see that? No, he was flipping paper? Yes! Well then how did he... why didn't he just go to the paper? Because he's also trying to do his look. He's not a professional. He's not a good actor. He's not a good actor. That's just the bottom line. Sorry. Just not a good actor. So when you're talking about CNN and these hagiographic... which I think is the wrong way I'm using it, but whatever. Asiographers. I'm listening to Eric Burnett. Eric? Eric. Eric Burnett. Yeah. So she's on a... she does this twice and I was thinking, wow, this woman is... this is weird. She's preoccupied with this. Play the clip that says... WTF?

1:51:14 No, no, that's actually a funny clip. Play that clip later. The one you want is Aaron Burnett stops on the word murder part one. Oh, okay. He had to get out of the US and the government quote is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Murdering? So, this is talking about... About Snowden. Snowden. Yeah. And he's made this come, they're gonna murder him. Yeah. Do you think that's not... Is she so naive to think that that would never happen in a million years because it's crazy? Well crazy talk. Yeah, well, it's yeah because they don't kill journalists unless you are from Rolling Stone and BuzzFeed I will talk about that

1:52:00 So but play the second one she plays it since it gets into it again on the murder. She can't believe that Burn it on murder part two. Yeah, I got it. I'm just bumbling I'm a yokel and what about his allegations here the US he had to get out of the US because the government is not gonna be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me The US government murdering someone for this no, I mean that that is just ridiculous. Just crazy talk. We don't murder people we dispose of them Anyway, I just found that peculiar. Well because she's she's counsel on foreign relations John, please So anyway, so yeah, okay. We might as well well we can talk about this or we can take a break for the yeah history list um I talk about Hastings that we got a tie. I also have a potential clip of the day No, we haven't I'm gonna do like you did last time I have a potential clip of the day, and I'm hoping to get the great award I

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2:05:11 I like the cartoon versions better. And here's another one. If I'm going to do QSL cards, I'm going to get an antique one from the archives from the 20s and I'm going to use that. Okay. You have not... In order to get a QSL card, you have to do a QSO first. And we have a knighthood to do. I'm very, very happy we can do this for Jan De Broca. So if you could... It's been... My God, Jan, it's been two months? I guess your sword made a noise. Oh, there it is. I see. Okay, got it. John DeBroca, come forward sir and kneel as we are very proud to bring you into the round table. It is fabulous to see you here. And as you have now contributed to the Noah Jenner Show, the best podcast in the universe, the amount of $1,000 or more we hereby pronounce thee husband and wife.

2:06:03 Sir protector of your family or my family Dubroca Jan welcome to the no agenda nights for you sir hookers and blow ramp boys and Chardonnay hot pants and booze long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch wenches and beer rubin has women and rosé gushes and sake vodka vanilla bong hits a bourbon sparkling cider and escorts or mutton and mead right here at the table of the Knights it's round for the Knights and dames holy crap that was a little I heard the desk there You dropped the sheet? So the thing that we have not heard about, which has been pretty much dropped from the news, was Fast and Furious. That of course is, you know, and aren't we all happy that we have all these distractions to think about?

2:06:47 So the, remember we had this document from the Sinaloa cartel, the guy... It's a filing in Chicago. Filing in Chicago. Well give us a quick background and I'll give you the update. Alright, there was a filing, they got one of the Sinaloa cartel guys mixed up with somebody and they ended up extraditing him in the United States and then they're gonna sue him for being a punk in Mexico and they took him to Chicago and it's ridiculous because they the US government, according to this guy, has done a deal with the Sinaloa cartel and they're not supposed to be bringing people in. Somebody got, this was messed up. And so he wrote, so the court filing, which is the complaint, lists, he says, here's what's been going on. We're immune from prosecution and I shouldn't be here. And so they ask him for a bunch of documents to prove it. And in the process, they said,

2:07:42 The whole Fast and Furious thing was not a mistake. It was a gun-running operation, and it's all documented who did the deal, who was doing it, why we were doing it, to get the Sinaloa cartel to take over all the cartels, and so the U.S. government only has to deal with one instead of a bunch of different gangs. So in the Federal Register, a little interesting note popped up. Now you know we have a Bad Chad producer who's also... Oh, but wait, wait, by the way, nobody else is talking about this. Thank you. Except us. So on the Freedom Controller, which we're working on a new release, we can sign everybody up and take you away from Google+. That is my plan, by the way. Make something y'all go like, well screw this crap, let's get on this thing. And it'll be free and open and fair and balanced. So Bad Chad is on the Freedom Controllers, and he's in Colorado.

2:08:35 And he is our Federal Register guy. So I subscribe to the feed of the Federal Register, but Chad is really doing the work. I got to say, I got to be honest, he is the producer of all things Federal Register. And so he throws this into his feed on the Freedom Controllers and then I find it. And he found what I think is just a spectacular little entry. So we have, the Treasury has something called the SDN list. which is the specially designated nationals and blocked persons list. And this is what they put all the terrorists on. So if you're a terrorist and you're in Waziristan, you're on the list. If you are some Chiner who's like trying to ship some stuff, you're on the list. And people get put on this list all the time. What does not happen very often, can you guess?

2:09:27 No, I can't guess. I don't know where this is going. It's got something to do with the cartel. Yeah, well you don't usually get taken off the list. In fact, I think in any government it's kind of rare you get taken off. I've been on a list. I was on a... remember when I was flying in from London a couple times a year? The first couple years of the show you were getting stopped consistently because you're on some list because they had you mixed up with some would-be terrorists that lived in North Dakota with the name Adam Curry. Correct. And so you kept coming through and every time you did it was like one of the show segments, Disgust Your Experience, which was always very apologetic. They treated you, they didn't beat you up or anything, so it was kind of a plus. Well, until the time where I said, where I got pissed off and I said, isn't my passport enough to let me into the country? And they went like, oh bitch, no you didn't.

2:10:18 And then they get, remember that was like a three hour ordeal. Yeah, they put you in the room, the lock up. So part of the Kingpin Act is what gets you on the list. So if you're a kingpin, which means you would be, I don't know, Head drug dealer? Is that kind of what I... The cartel, I think a gangster, a famous gangster, or maybe some Mexican mafia guy, who knows. So the Kingpin Act blocks all property and interest in property subject to US jurisdiction owned or controlled by significant foreign narcotics traffickers as identified by the President. The President! In addition, the Secretary of the Treasury consults with the Attorney General, the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Director of the FBI, the Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Homeland Security. So everyone's involved in this list.

2:11:08 And look what happened. On June 12, 2013, the director of OFAC, which I guess is Obama for America Care, removed from the SDN list three individuals and two entities listed below. Beltran Sanchez, nationality Mexican, address Sinaloa. Zermino Beltran, Guillermo, address Sinaloa. Zeramo Beltran Patricia, guess this is his wife. Her address? Sinaloa. Uh, entities. Fabri- Fabra Diesel Juan de Dios Batiz Los Mochis, Sinaloa. Off the list. And Fabri Diesel S.A. de CV, Sinaloa. Do you think that this is coincidence, John? No, obviously not.

2:12:11 So these three... It's interesting that nobody's mentioning or covering any of this, of course. I mean, it's like a red flag. It's Sinaloa. Are you kidding me? Now, I don't... Of course, I don't... So why were they taken off the list? No explanation, of course. No, well, just because the... But they were taken off the list for some reason. The president says they can be taken off the list. That's because of this guy in Chicago. Yes, of course it is. Between deals as we speak. Of course it is. Did you know, by the way, that the House passed a $638 billion defense bill, like, two days ago? Did you know this? Yeah, I think we were distracted by something. Yeah, so this is what I, this is, and they did it very well because you know we had the whole sex scandal in the military and that's what everyone was talking about getting raped in the military and oh this is horrible. That's all part of the defense bill. So, so the way it works and of course it's a problem

2:13:11 You know, it's a problem everywhere. We would, you know, there's sex crimes taking place in every industry. This happens to be a big industry. But they say they took care of all that problem and put in whatever legislation, which I've not paid attention to. But meanwhile, it authorized $638 billion in spending on the military. Isn't that pretty much 70% of all of our dough? Isn't that pretty much it? No, they still have the health care stuff that's expensive. Right, that's the other 70%. Yeah, it's a lot of money. It's almost a trillion. And then we have some sales. Let you know how the America Inc. is doing. This is from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency. Hmm, that's a new one.

2:14:02 Pursuant to the reporting requirements of Section 36B of the Arms Export Control Act, we are forwarding here with Transmittal Number 1315. We made a sale! John, ring the bell! Sale, sale, sale! Front! We have sold $588 million worth of stuff to Libya. Libya where there's not time there's tons of terrorists still in Libya it consists of two hundred and twenty two million dollars of major defense equipment and three hundred and sixty six million dollars of other scanners So now we did a couple of c-130 aircraft. That was the that's the big deal is that the money? Yeah, it's great money. We have another sale. Hello. Yeah another sale Oh

2:14:56 front this is like this is the big deal it's like these like half a billion dollar contract this is what are we selling here this is to Kuwait Kuwait we have so all wow not so good not so good 200 million dollars to the government of Kuwait and also under section 36 B And this is technical logistic support for F-18s. This consists of major defense equipment, zero million dollars, and 200 million of other. Other. So good work! Good work. A lot of others being sold. Yeah. No, that's not major defense equipment. So good work, everybody. Good work. We've sold some more stuff to kill brown people. Very good. It works. Excellent job. Fantastic. Really really good. FAAAACK!

2:15:51 Onward. Yes. So I have, uh, these two clips I'm gonna play, one which could be... No, no, no, no, okay, alright. Which is the collar cutoff clip. There's two of them from C-SPAN. There's collar cutoff and then C-SPAN explains. But, uh... I want people out there to listen to these two clips and realize how many hours it must have taken me to find these two clips because they're not the same show or anything. But they're one of the call-in shows and I think you're going to really appreciate clip number one. Okay, here we go. Practices and programs is a manifestation of that continuity. Ben is up next from Clayton, Louisiana on our Independent line. Good morning, Ben.

2:16:38 Good morning. Good morning. My question to Mr. Good morning, Mr. Zerati. Good morning, Ben. How are you, sir? Pretty good. My question is, I used to drive a truck across country and I was about 15 miles when they hit the towers. After that, they made us go west. It came out that the NSA knew about that. And we were understanding from the state troopers that were pushing us west that, oh... Ben, what are you saying the NSA knew about? NSA knew ahead of time that this was going to happen. They had put out on the news, didn't have it out very long. Are you talking about September 11th, Ben? Mm-hmm. Well, hold off on the conspiracy theories of September 11th. Let's go to Elijah from Oceanside, California. You actually heard the click. Normally don't even hear the click.

2:17:42 Okay, done. I'm withholding judgment until we hear your second clip. The second clip is not as good I mean because it's not just out but but the second clip is it is another show I watched in journal It was a different show they had this one of the good-looking women and and I so when I first heard the first clip is oh my god This is terribly cut and then there was this woman on a c-span She kind of she kind of brings it around to me make it a little more interesting and you play the... this is all to talk about the NSA and these people calling in and by the way I want to remind everyone that apparently, well you'll see, play this clip. New York, New York, Alex, Democratic caller, hi.

2:18:21 Hi, thanks for taking my call and I really appreciate that you're encouraging the healthy skepticism that is really important for democracy. I wanted to ask you about spying and the enormous expense of war and security. All these of course are motivated by 9-11. And if you've read the NIST reports, as I have, then you know that we've given up our civil liberties, even though the government never explained how the towers came down the way they did, and never tested for explosives. And you know that building 7, a high-rise, not a high-rise. Alex, I'm going to stop you there and ask you a question. We're getting a lot of calls lately on this show from people who believe that 9-11 was, there's like a theory that it was an inside job. Are you part of a group or an effort that's trying to get this on the show? Well, actually, I've

2:19:14 I've read in Homeland Security training brochures that 9-11 truth activists are potential terrorists. And I guess that means that my email records are among those that the government feels it can read and review. And I suppose that under the NDA, I could be indefinitely detained, and that has me concerned. Well, Alex, can you answer my question about if this is a group effort? Are you part of an organization or anything? I'm an American citizen concerned about my privacy and that's why I'm calling in because... Okay, let's get a response from the congressman on the question of privacy issues. Well, I agree with the healthy skepticism, Alex, and I think you raise a great point about that. I would tell you that I...

2:19:57 Right. So apparently there's a movement going on. Yeah. Why don't they do this with their no agenda people? Thank you. This is what I don't understand. Someone's organized somewhere and they're doing something. Yeah, and I think this woman was correct because it did since I guess it wasn't just those two incidents I could have probably tuned in anytime and heard another one of these guys come. It's like that when Howard Stern was having people right Baba Boo on everything they called in on. We have got nothing except this one story about the NPR local station where somebody did call in and we got a new listener. Yeah.

2:20:33 I'm just very distressed by this. But I don't really feel like these are totally clip of the day worthy. Well, the first one was, but since you bypassed it, it's okay. No, that's okay. Don't worry. Nope, nope, nope, nope. It was okay, but you know, it's like... I don't know, I mean if it happened on, you know, like C-SPAN. Yeah, usually you fall out of your chair, then it's clip of the day and that's about it. If I did, but I didn't fall out of my chair. I'm honest. I give you clip of the day whenever it's warranted. Yeah, I agree. I'm not saying... I mean, don't get mad. No, it's fine. It's fine. I'm not mad. Hey, you know who's on CNN? Because, you know, they're really ruining this channel now.

2:21:14 CNN is really you're right. They're really good. So first of all, they brought Michaela in from Good day, LA. Yeah, Michaela who I know personally, by the way, I like she's cool. So but I feel bad because she's not going to last more than six months and she'll be off the air and then she'll be screwed. So I hope she got a really good deal. But also Morgan Spurlock. Now, isn't he the guy that did like the documentary? Did he do supersize me? Did he do that? Let me think. I think, yeah, Morgan's... I think he did the documentary about... You see the guy with the beard? Morgan Valentine Spurlock is an American documentary filmmaker, humorist, television producer, screenwriter, political activist, known for his films Super Size Me. That guy. Yeah, that guy. The hamburger eater. The hamburger guy. Yes, that's the guy. He's now on CNN. He is.

2:22:13 You want to hear what he has to say? Oh brother. I mean, I feel like if you do universal background checks, it's a great start. If you create a database where people with mental problems don't have access to firearms, that's a great place to start. If you limit the amount of high capacity magazines, that's a great place to start. Yeah, okay. Click. Not a great place to start. Not watching your show, dude. How horrible is that man? I don't see any evidence that he's on CNN. You sure it's the same guy? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll look it up then for you. Yeah, he's got a new... CNN's talking about him. Obviously he doesn't have any fans because it hasn't been updated on his wiki page. Somebody has shot the things on the wiki page like two minutes later. Let me see... Morgan Spurlock. Spurlock CNN. Morgan Spurlock. InsideManCNN.com InsideMan. What's it by? Oscar nominated filmmaker. What is InsideMan?

2:23:17 Inside Man, he's on Inside Man. There he is. Find out what's really going on. Morgan Spurlock, Inside Man. Does he have a promo? About Inside Man. Is CNN... yeah, I think so. There's maybe. Underneath there. Okay, let's see. Inside... it's coming to CNN June 23rd. Is that... that's Sunday. Yeah, Sunday, Sunday. Inside Man. CNN original series Inside Man, hosted by Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock, gives viewers an insider's view of diverse sectors of American life diving deep into hard-hitting issues like medical marijuana. There's a hard-hitting issue. The elder care industry, wow. Migrant farm workers, 1967. Gun ownership, union workers, bankruptcy. This is nothing. This sounds like a bunch of bull crap. Yeah, well you just heard what he said. It's a good start to get a database on mental health issues.

2:24:13 Oh man, it's like... Okay, this show's a dog. Yeah, Pierce Moron, he had... This whole thing is nuts. They're trying to just... You know what? I'm not even gonna show it. I don't care. Forget about it. Forget I even brought it up. This is too stupid. It's too stupid. It is stupid. But if you had Daniel Ellsberg on your show, yeah? You're interviewing Daniel Ellsberg, who was of course of the... Pentagon Papers. Pentagon Papers. Would you be interested in talking to him or would you want to make room for something else? If I had Daniel Ellsberg booked in the situation we're in now, in the new cycle we're in now, I would let him ramble on about all kinds of stuff. I think he'd probably be very interesting. The church said, terrified him, he said it was a bridge we must never cross to have NSA turn its capabilities not

2:25:04 Which are directed to foreigners turn them to the American people he said that is an abyss from which there is no return Well, we have crossed Daniel. I'm gonna have to you said to jump in we have to go to we have to go to a break I'm afraid it's been great to talk to you and also to Glenn Greenwald Thank you both very much indeed for joining me tonight. It's a debate that will run. I'm sure we'll talk again. Thank you very much And my condolences obviously go to Michael. So he just interrupted him, cut him off, said I'm sorry we have to move on. Why? By Hastings family. He was a regular on the show and will be sorely missed by us and by everyone at CNN and indeed many news organizations. He was a terrific, provocative journalist who will be really, really missed.

2:25:46 When we come back, the true life Hollywood story is so good it just had to become a movie. The star-struck teens who broke into the homes of celebrities and their real life victim, Paris Hilton. She's in the chair. We have to go to the chair with Paris Hilton. What? That's why he had to cut off Ellsberg. So he cuts off Ellsberg who's on a roll, making a pretty good point about turning the gun against yourself kind of thing. Yeah. Pointing no return and all the rest of it and just kills that segment and is to bring on Paris Hilton? In the chair, yes. Welcome to the Black Lives Matter Media. Are you ready for it everybody? Lots of people hating that jingle, including me.

2:26:34 It is the Rick Roll of our time, because it just keeps coming back like bad Mexican lunch. Hi Adam, wanted to update you on one of your emails from episode 521, one hour and three minutes into the podcast. I cannot verify if that the NSA, FBI was tapping of the calls, etc., but I can explain the technology. I sold voice and data switches for over 15 years. Avaya in particular has been able to push patches etc to telephone switches for many many years. The Avaya experts can remotely monitor a system from several of the data centers. They, Avaya, would contact their clients proactively to let them know of any issues. Regarding the other comment about being able to tell if the caller is upset etc, well that has been in place for a long time as well. Now pay attention people, here comes a no agenda tip.

2:27:23 If you notice, when you call into many call centers and get voicemail, you can tell certain words and you can get to the front of the line. So if you're upset, all you have to do is say, fuck, fuck, fuck a few times and you go straight to the front of the queue. Wow! Yeah, this is a great tip. So they are analyzing, analyzing all of your, all of your what's going on while you're waiting in the queue. While you're on call waiting. Well yeah, while you're hearing that. You're on hold. Your call is important to us. Yeah, your call is important to us.

2:28:01 So all you have to do is start bitching and moaning and you move right to the front. So this is a tip worthy of mentioning on No Agenda, I think. And we send some karma to his 97-year-old granny. Then we have one more note here. Fuck you, Curry. Last week I was in the middle of some really hot sex and just as it was starting to get really good, Adam's gonna read his email, starts going over in my head and it ruined it! Thank God there was no one else there, otherwise it would have been embarrassing. It got a real chuckle writing material I have had kept that that email for two shows now. I haven't gotten to When I read that I thought it was funny It's a good joke good light. Yeah, it's a good lead in he gets you going yeah, yeah That was it for that yeah

2:29:02 Let's see what else. Let's talk a little bit about Hastings. Yeah, so this is kind of funny how we have the guy Who helped McChrystal get out, and I think our analysis at the time, he was writing for Rolling Stone, is that McChrystal wanted out and that this guy was brought in to help him get out. You can't quit. Right. You have to be booted out. He got a bad assignment, he didn't like it, he was getting on his nerves, he wanted to retire but he couldn't just quit, so they did a hit piece on him. At the bequest of, I mean, McChrystal probably figured out how to do it and told him how to write it and he put it together and this was in 2010. Yes. And so now I want to play a couple clips here because... Can we just set it up so not everyone, I mean, we're so ahead of the curve. So we had this writer, Michael Hastings, who lived apparently in central LA. I think I saw his, I know where he lives.

2:29:59 And he was in this little Highland Park, I think is the name of the area, it's a very tree-lined, very beautiful, Beverly Hills. And he was 33 years old. 33 years old, right, exactly. And he hits a tree, the car blows up like the Simpson cartoon. The engine flies 180 feet further. Yeah, something very suspicious about all this. And so he dies. He dies and everyone's doing... No one's... He burns alive in this car! Yeah, he burns... Yeah, terrible. The car doesn't explode, no, the car catches fire. This is not a typical... I mean, you see the video, the footage. This thing is on fire! Like, the whole thing is just... I mean, Mercedes, which the Mercedes should be ashamed of themselves.

2:30:46 How does this happen? Is there a record of you have a frontal collision? Because it's a front... Oh, so he does have... That's funny because the car that... Because I went to Street View to find his place where he lives and there was a Mercedes out front. It's funny. Yeah, it's a Mercedes. So the Mercedes, he hits a tree head-on and apparently it was going very fast, so fast that the engine rips out and the engine and transmission is 180 feet further. This is only from what I've read and seen obviously. I wasn't there. And the car catches fire. Yeah, it's very suspicious. Yeah. Okay. And his wife has been off Twitter like two weeks before this and then she has yet to return which is interesting. She used to be the speechwriter for Condoleezza Rice.

2:31:33 and a Republican. He was always a Democrat. And he was a Democrat in 2010 when he did that piece, that hit piece on McChrystal, and he maintained his Obama bot status through 2012. And I have a clip to show you what kind of an Obama bot he was, which you have to consider, because he turned and went against Obama and it showed up on all these shows. He was getting cut off the way Pierce cut off this guy that you just heard and eventually went kind of nutty against Obama. I don't know if you have any concept of why that happened but... I think he turned on Petraeus, he mainly targeted Petraeus, Hillary Clinton and Benghazi were his, looked like his targets. This is where I think the problem is. So you know everyone's, you know, Max Keiser says that he found out the FBI was

2:32:28 following him and he had spoken to a WikiLeaks lawyer. I think this is all a big bullshit distraction. I think this is part of the Clinton body count. You might be right because he definitely got into a, in fact I printed out a lot of these. He got into a real beef with a Clinton spokesperson. Yes, this is the guy who, remember we even talked about this on the show, where Clinton's spokesperson told him to go fuck off. Right. So I think if anything this is this has the Clintons written all over because you know if you want to kill somebody if the CIA or the NSA or the FBI they don't crash you like this. No, they walk by you like Breitbart. You know, they give a little pinprick like and you die and then you know of a heart attack and then the coroner kills himself. You know, this is how they do it.

2:33:19 This is the go watch Rubicon. It's a little pinprick. You're dead. It's undetectable. Sorry, he died of a heart attack. This is the way the Clintons do it. They have no class. Classless. The guy's name is Philippe Rains and they went back and forth I do have a couple of notes that went back and forth. Now I understand why the official investigation, this is from Rains, why the official investigation of the Department of Defense as reported by the Army Times, the Washington Post concluded beyond about that you're an unmitigated asshole. Yeah. How's that for a non-bullshit response? Now that we've gotten that out of our systems, have a good day, and by that I mean fuck off. So that's the response from the Clintons, or the Clinton spokesperson. And what was that in regard to? Do you recall what that was about? Yeah, it was a question about Benghazi. Yeah, there you go. So he was, if anything, and it makes sense because he was very heavily involved with the military industrial complex, and he probably made friends

2:34:21 I have friends in the MIC. General Ham, I will point out, is going to be testifying this coming week. Did you know that? No, that's good. Yeah. And he retired after Benghazi. So something is up. Something is going on. And we'll see what happens to Ham. So he's being sued. Well, we'll find out. But anyway, let's play a couple clips just to give you an idea of what kind of a... This is the Michael Hastings before clip. It says, number one, this is the clip of Hastings after he came out with his little book about the 2012 elections and he's still an Obama bot and this is probably around January of this year. The press. And you talk in the book about one member of the press, the White House press corps, who tried to get the president to open up to a sock puppet.

2:35:08 puppet. Now honestly, did someone actually produce a sock puppet? A hand puppet, sock puppet, whatever you want to call it. Yes, it was a puppet that looked like Obama. This individual reporter worked for the Wall Street Journal, put the puppet on her hand and started asking the president for an interview and going like this, back and forth. I refuse to do the squeaky voice on camera. because I'll be forever you too but but it was very strange and I learned later that Obama said you know that was one of the weirdest moments that I've experienced with the media. I mean we know journalists like ourselves tend to like a drink was she drunk in some way? I think she was 100% sober I mean but but that was that's the that's the the presence of Obama even on the press corps even on the people who follow him every day when they're near him they lose their mind sometimes

2:35:53 You know, they start behaving in ways that are juvenile and amateurish and they swoon. And of course you don't. Oh, I do. I did. I did. I did. Oh, I totally. Oh man. I, you know, I first met President Obama in 2006 when he was a senator. He was visiting Baghdad. I was the correspondent there. You mentioned that. I mentioned that, yeah. And of course I got to ask my questions. So of course I have to say, well, you know, Mr. President, this is the second time I met you. And did I ask the hardball question? Did I ask about drones? Did I ask about civil liberties? No, I did not. I guess I'm not at liberty to say what I asked about, but it was soft. Typical. Thank you for the admission. Michael Hastings and the book is called Panic 2012, a great read. Right. Obama box. So that's an Obama guy. Yeah. That's somewhere changed along the way and Benghazi may have been it because he might be working on that. Who knows? He's dead now. But it started to change on some of these different shows and the last time I believe that he appeared on Bashir's show was when Bashir had to cut him off.

2:36:50 and uh... i'll just throw this clip in which is hasting uh... he jumps it's easy to mention about betray us he says the guys that was a bit terrible guy and all the rest but she returns to turn the congress station around by hastings goes off on the on portray us and then uh... but then they they just cut him off on the show. he might be an outstanding force general and everything I said also might be true. What I've tried to do in my reporting on him is give a counter narrative to the man known as King David. He's extremely ambitious. One of the most memorable quotes that another general told me about General Petraeus was, he leaves the dead dog on your doorstep every time. That means every new assignment that he would take over, he would try to make the guy before him look like it was their fault.

2:37:51 I think that, you know, I think Michael, as I said, I think he's been given a pass. Michael Hastings, I'm afraid we've run out of time, but thank you so much, Mike. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, have you seen the sign MSNBC, bitch? Hey, hey, hey, hey, calm down with that. I have too much more of that. Now the last one, I think is the last time he appeared, he was on a show with this guy, I've never even seen this show before, and the guy's name, if I have it here. I think it's, I don't know, Perry, I can't remember who it is, but some douchebag who has a whole bunch of people on and Hastings really gets into it with a couple of them. But before we play that, can I have a funny short clip? Let's see if I got these right.

2:38:32 Yeah, I got a short clip where he, this is when he's still an Obama bot, and he's telling, and the only reason I want to play this clip is because I want people to realize what he's saying in this clip. He's discussing a meeting with the press corps that Obama decides to visit because he likes to apparently hang out with the press, but nobody's supposed to ever report that. In this play, this is the Hastings on White House etiquette. a couple of months, about a month earlier at a drink session with journalists. That's all I did, the fact that he showed up. Hanging out with journalists? Hanging out with journalists, that's it. Having a Coca-Cola? Knocking back a Sam Adams. I'm not allowed to say he was doing that, but that's what he might have been doing. Might have been doing. If he was there. If he were actually there. Exactly, but I'm not allowed to acknowledge the existence of it. However, I did. I didn't, I wasn't.

2:39:30 upon all the uh... necessarily nice nice to do not say they just was a lie about but that's what i was i was told afterwards even though it's part of the white house will policy to know that but anyway and so reporters not the way that's the reporters get really angry with you they did i was uh... i was a little lectured about by the the the white house uh... the guy runs the white house for some associations of the family down and explain to me that and henry at that fox fox news nice guy You know, he's in a tough spot. He's dealing with reporters, dealing with the White House. He's dealing with people like me. You know, I pity him. I pity him. And then they said, you know, if you continue to do this, you're not going to be welcome here. And that was one of the moments that, you know, I go into detail in the book, probably more detail than anyone needs to know, but definitely check it out. And before you go on to your final clip,

2:40:20 I looked into this BuzzFeed and the more I look at these alternative, so-called alternative news sites, the more I'm discouraged about it. BuzzFeed, how many people co-founded Huffington Post? A million? Everyone in the world is a co-founder of the Huffington Post. I mean, Arianna Huffington, she apparently, did she have to do anything? I have no idea. Kenneth Lerer. He's the chairman and co-founder of the Huffington Post. He set up BuzzFeed. And everyone at BuzzFeed is running BuzzFeed. And by the way, they have raised 50 million dollars for this BuzzFeed outfit. They have a newly announced partnership with CNN. This is the regime. This is a propagandistic organization.

2:41:17 And any news outfit that is raising money from Obama donors who are venture capital firms, it's corrupt. Yeah. It's completely corrupt. Well, I think the story that we just listened to is the most corrupt thing I've heard for a long time. And they're laughing about it. I was taken aside because I mentioned that Obama was at the bar drinking a Sam Adams. Oh, you can't do that. You're going to get kicked off the fence. All the other journalists got all bent out of shape. You're going to get us all killed. You're going to get us all kicked out of this soft job where we don't do anything.

2:41:55 You just read the... So, so, so, okay, so this now brings something else to mind. Maybe it's not Hillary Clinton. Maybe it was just one of his fellow, his colleagues, like this guy is such a dick, let's run him off the road. Let's do that creative. No, this is not creative, they're just running him off the road. In a car to do 120 miles an hour into a tree in a residential area, that took some effort. There's a lot of ways you can do that. Well, I know there's ways of doing it, but I'm not gonna go about doing it. Remember, it's not... I said the guy seemed like, you know, near the end here when it was this last clip where he just gets into it with one of the people that's on this panel. He even tells him he's just writing talking points down. He's all upset. He's very upset.

2:42:43 Well, all I'm saying is that if you want to kill someone, this is a very unnecessary way of doing it. So whoever did this... No, I know. It's more like a mob hit. It's like, let's make an example out of this guy by burning him to a crisp. Yeah, which brings me back to the Clintons. You're right. In my view, if you compare the speech he gave in Cairo in 2009 or his Nobel Prize speech, you see a kind of almost total rejection of the civil rights tradition that President Obama supposedly came out of, a total rejection of any kind of

2:43:28 uh... the ideas of of a kind of peaceful transition of a kind of trying to work with other several people in in different nations and it is an abrasive total militarism and the reason i saw a sassy because he's big incredibly at that's him he sees were at traveling on he's incredibly agitated yes which is much that look unlike his other you jocular style which was the before he lost his obama uh... his obama Oh, by the way, brilliant analysis from the chat room as a quick interlude. Knocking back a Sam Adams is obviously gay code. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. And I think it was said as a joke, but I'm like, well, that's not, that's considering how pissed off everyone was about that. Just take it into consideration. Onward. Noted.

2:44:25 That speech to me was essentially agreeing with President Bush and Vice President Cheney that we're in this sort of neo-conservative paradigm, that we're at war with a jihadist threat that actually is not a nuisance but the most important threat we are facing today. It is completely, in my view, a complete rejection of what John Kerry said, and I said, and embrace the military as a... But he's talking about... He's saying, he says many multiple things... Right, no, I agree, I agree it's conflict. Okay, you know what, I gotta stop this for a second. You know what he sounds like? He sounds like... I can get this way by the way. And Ms. Mickey has taught me how to not do it. When you are so convinced, when you know that the bullshit is so clear and you have the actual story and you have the backstory and you have the documents to prove it, that's when your mouth starts falling over itself when you're trying to explain to someone who is clearly clueless.

2:45:16 And that's what I'm hearing here. Would you agree? Yeah, I wouldn't disagree. It's not only complex, but he enshrines... Look, the two key things that I took away from that speech is that Obama has enshrined the two most radical principles of the Bush doctrine. The first is, oh, he got rid of... sort of got rid of torture and sort of got rid of extraordinary tradition, but enshrines targeted assassination. At the same time, he doesn't apologize for... he won't apologize for the Scanlon-McGauzy. He won't apologize for the IRS... really, the IRS is a few bad apples. and he says no the AP and spying on journalists is okay so he enshrines killing people and spying on journalists as the two major tenets of his national security state. I think this is outrageous. I don't agree with what Michael said, I'm just being blunt about it.

2:45:58 Well, I read your piece. I read your piece. It was essentially, you know, talking points from the White House. It was stenography. And, you know, I mean, look, I dig your work and I've, you know, read it in the past as a colleague, but I was not impressed with the piece that we were sent around by the producers. Well, let's let Perry explain what he said before we say we're not impressed with it. Let's hear it. Well, I can say I read it. Well, let's hear it first. I guess, well, going into detail here, there were two parts of the speech. There was one where the president was trying to redefine where the war on terror is going. It's winding down. He's trying to talk about drones. The part that I didn't agree with you in terms of comparing it to Bush was, I thought the speech had a lot of ambiguity about the president's views about it, which is not to say that George W. Bush didn't have a lot of ambiguity about the war on terror. This is a speech very much about

2:46:40 He's trying to sort of talking out loud as Steve said, here are my views. He kept saying over and over again, this is a just war, but it should be limited. We should look at ways to wind it down, change it. He basically doesn't like the drone program himself is what I sort of heard in his speech while he, the policy I agree with you has not changed that much, but there was certainly an ambiguity about it. There was certainly a, some sort of a weariness about the policy itself that I think was important to note here. four years of not only escalated the war in Afghanistan where he sent 150,000 troops, so he did try the whole occupation thing, but he also exponentially increased the number of drone strikes. He's defending murdering an American two years later. I mean, so there's an absurdity to this whole discussion. Yeah, no, look, I keep saying there's a lot here and there's a lot in this speech and he definitely has escalated drone attacks. We also have the drone attack, the numbers are coming down. That doesn't mean that he has ruled them out and we can talk about

2:47:33 that but one thing that I think is a change in Omar that he laid out in this speech was a real clear commitment to shut down Guantanamo. I know we've heard that before but he laid out you know he has talked about signing somebody. That's Hastings cracking up. Okay a couple things here. So one- Oh by the way, before you go with your analysis I want to say this show was called Up with Steve Karaki and the guy that he got into the beef with which is this guy Perry Bacon who's a black guy from MSNBC and he's the one who wrote the talking points, the stenographer. Right. And he's clearly upset. Okay so here's the analysis. One, this guy is pretty much doing no agenda material and it got him killed.

2:48:17 And the mistake he made is he was trying to be legit. Where you've got to like have Tourette's, you know, be a hoarder, you know, could be a crackpot, you know, don't believe in moon landings. This is how you are able to survive with this type of analysis. And he's talking to the wrong people. So he's also, he was young, which is sad because he just hadn't caught on yet. He was very young. So two, this is how I can imagine the meeting going. Let's kill this guy. Yeah, but you know, he's like a high profile. Fuck it, kill an actor too. We'll cover it up. Yeah, that would work. That's how I imagine it. And then we lose two guys. Gandolfini. Yeah, he's in Italy. We can do that. No one's going to notice. Just put in a call. It's easy. Yeah, in Italy. Yeah, Sicily.

2:49:18 Yeah, so we get him. Yeah, yeah. What a loss. What a loss. This kid and Galvin are two great people. Why? Because some a-hole wants to further his or her agenda. God knows what was coming out. But stuff is flying fast and furious. And people are getting killed. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind. It's just who did this sloppy job? Why did it have to be like this? You know, it's so much easier. to do it like the Michael Jackson way, you know, like the Breitbart way. It's so much easier. So much less messy, you know, no big news stories. Oh man, maybe this goes... I think this was just... Maybe they got the wrong guy to do it and then they had to get a cover. Who knows? But people are getting killed. There's no doubt about that.

2:50:11 Well, he probably, what's interesting, he went so far off the rails. This is the problem that I think everyone has if they become kind of, again, you know, the hate geography is a great word. You become like, you're worshipping Obama. And you're just, he can do no wrong. And you know that half the public is like this. They would vote him in for a third term, I'm telling you. And so, and then you discover that there's something, there's no, this is wrong. You're looking at the wrong information. You discover this man has betrayed you.

2:50:47 And you go off the rail. You don't just, you know, do what we do. We don't believe in any of these characters and we just analyze the news. It's pretty straight up. Right. And so what happened? We don't go nuts about it. No. Well, sometimes... Oh my God, we got to stop him! You don't go like Alex Jones is the example of the lightning rod approach. He's just like completely, and he stays kind of alive by being kind of screwy by getting a bullhorn and going down a river outside the Bilderberg Castle and this is dumb. You know, hey you guys, hey you guys. You know, whatever he did. Hey, you're making up the dirt. Buy my shoes.

2:51:30 But these guys would take this thing so seriously and then they show up on these shows and they do something like this. I mean there's... Well, yeah, but so this is this is I think this was his last appearance by the way. Well, this is part Yeah, this is part of the sickness. This is what you saw with Leo when When when all this came to light he's he's recuperated since then when all this came to light He was posting on Google+. Like you mr. President, you know, you lie you lied and and and chunk chunk is out there on current TV you Lost it. Yeah, and And Chunk knows because Hastings was a contributor to the Chunk Show.

2:52:08 Yeah. So he knows now, now he knows. Shut up. I'm sure Hastings, whatever Hastings has got that he's now gone, I'm sure it's been taken out of his, I'm sure his place is ransacked and whatever papers he was working on all disappeared. But he, I'm sure he talked to Chunk about it. Whatever it is. It's probably just something, it's probably what we've been theorizing about in the Benghazi thing perhaps or something similar. Whatever. And we said, hey, should we go grab that beer so we knock back a Sam Adams, John? Knock back a Sam. All right, man, we do have to get out of here. I do have one last thing. Is it an end of show clip? No, it could be. No. Well, no, I'll save it for the Sunday show. No, no, I'll stop. It's a bit of commentary.

2:52:57 It's actually going to take more to develop, so I'm not going to do it. You can play the odd Aaron Burnett flub and we're done. Okay, well stop this then. Let's listen to that. Was? She's supposed to say were. That's part of the big script. Whoever wrote it.

2:53:42 All right, so just the last breaking news the Russians and the Chinas Announced a deal Russians supply China with Russian oil 60 billion dollars In rubles the market is collapsing Brent oil down $2.00 gold is off the rails It's the beginning everybody And we'll talk about it on DHM Plug next Tuesday. Yeah, but first we'll be here Sunday. Sunday I will have a report of the I'm Going to Go See Pandora's Promise, which is a documentary about nuclear energy, which won a whole bunch of Sundance Awards and no one has gone to see.

2:54:26 And of course it's... I may go see the Superman movie. You go see... and we'll compare notes. How does that sound? I'll bet you there's more propaganda in mine than there is in yours. Yeah, no kidding. Alright everybody, thank you very much for showing up. Thank you for helping us out. Remember, Dvorak.org slash NA, incredibly important that you support the work that we are doing so we don't have to go on MSNBC and crash. And I am coming to you from the Travis Heights hideout here in Austin, Texas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, the buzzkill bunker, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Sunday right here on NO Agenda. Ritalin, Coumadin, Zantac, Lipitor, Dicepam, Nexium, Prevacid, Percocet, Levitra, Lebequin, Nalavil, Fosamax, Plavix, Keflex, Next Day, FedEx, Zithromax, Avalox, Flexaryl, Topamax, Prozac, Ativan, Adderall, it's never gonna go nowhere.

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