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00:00 Sounds right this sounds right. I mean that sounds like it's right. Adam Curry John C Devorah February 24 2013 time for your getmonation media assassination episode 4 9 or 0 this is no agenda Surviving on cheap macaroni and cheddar cheese, melted together here in the Travis Heights hideout in the east side of South Congress, Austin, the capital of the drone star state of the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where the sun is shining, there's no rain in sight. I'm John C. Craig. It's Craig Vaught and Buzzkill. In the morning. Well, take this then. Take that.

00:47 Is it gonna rain for sure now somewhere it'll rain Yes, nothing like a good rain stick battle in the morning in the morning it is but is in the morning Hey, you know we have we have the best the best audience in the universe the best producers when they're you know There is not a problem that they can't fix because they can do it in the mix. Oh We have a problem with long donations. What's the solution? Just don't send any donations. This is very good people. I'm like, I'm looking at the spreadsheet. I'm like, oh, okay. I guess we don't have a problem anymore. Well, actually, we do still have the same problem. Only we have a compounded problem. Now, apparently people who want the newsletter or should be reading the newsletter for, you know, so they can figure out what's going on.

01:42 don't read it much and so they keep sending the email to the wrong place and other issues and by the way this is the fallout from the from the Monday's last Monday's holiday this always gives us too bad shows oh okay it's a fall always it's and by the way Bogota Bogota holiday president's day It's not a holiday. It's when people go spend their money on a great deal on a car. No white white goods. Oh, that's no that's right. Yeah, yeah white goods being Macy's washer washing machines and dishwashers and sheets. No, I thought why I thought white goods were classified as washing machines. I think you're right I think those are classified as white goods, but to me white goods mean sheets. Right, right.

02:31 Well, so then there's another issue that cropped up. Oh, we're just on the topic of finances So we brought up though the Bitcoin issue once again on the previous on the previous show there goes tiger Hey tiger, it's my neighbor touch. That's my neighbor tiger on his Harley Tiger and Bonnie yeah, oh he's apparently he's testing the engine. I'm doing a show tiger. Oh Just watch miss Mickey run out miss Mickey will run out in the road and tell him to stop Hey, hey, hey, he's doing a show. I don't give it look you may look dangerous on that Harley and everything. I don't give a crap Yeah, so um So we bring up the Bitcoin thing and I think it was buzzkill jr Who was all excited that I had amassed some incredible fortune in bitcoins, which has just been sitting in my wallet Hanging around. I thought I had 300 bitcoins

03:29 I was wrong. I have 135 which is still that's a lot less. Well, it's still that's you know, that's no it's still like $4,000. Yeah, that's well, you know, it's bear napalm and I was sharp stick So I so, you know I get back into this the last time I was I looked at Bitcoin when you you scoffed No, I think it was around $5 in value per per Bitcoin and I had done one daily source code I think if people would send me that's probably where I got the hundred bitcoins and And then I kind of forgot about it and I was able to order a pound of coffee and a bottle of shampoo or something just to kind of prove that these bitcoins work. And so I look back at the blog post that I wrote then and I'm like, you know, it could be great, it could be like gold, and all this, and then I go and look at the chart.

04:18 I'm like wow and now this is what I just want to get your expert opinion on this if you can go to Bitcoin chart curry calm for me John tell me tell me this isn't a classic Pump and dump or a bubble or something line chart curry calm Yeah, I should get you to the right one. Let me see if I got it here. Oh BitcoinChart.Curry.com. It should show you a chart of the Bitcoin value over the history of Bitcoin. Oh yeah, that's interesting. So you see in June, around May, June is when I started and it was around five and then it went up to thirty and then it crashed and then it's kind of been bubbling under. That's in January, that's in 2011. Yes, yes, exactly. It was looking like it was about a buck.

05:12 Well, it's dragging the bottom is dragging the ground there around me, but that's but that's the start of Bitcoin That's when business off. Yeah took off $30 All right, then it crashed like literally a day after and now look at I mean Is this not a technique a technical analyst will look at this and say oh It's about to crash because it's up at the 30 again could be So, but to me it's like all of a sudden we're hearing Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin just like we were back then. This looks like it has a floor around 10 though. But yes, but it seems like this is manipulated and isn't the entire point.

05:50 this fantastic monetary system was that it couldn't be that it couldn't be manipulated I mean and the reason I'm kind of bringing this up you know I'm getting emails from people who are like you know you're not supporting the Bitcoin community I'm like community there's a community this is what Bitcoin is like Facebook now I mean this is not what you want people so I'm just trying to monetary system to be a cult community no less so yeah it does look like there's a floor but I mean so and I'm like well should I get rid of this and you know people have offered me like $5,000 for my for my bitcoins yes

06:32 But I don't know I mean question It could go up rid of this could go up to like 300. I mean oh, yeah, well here's my here's my question to you it are we seeing here is this inflation of the dollar that makes this go up or is there some what could the only mark what are the only market forces that could make this Bitcoin go from you know in a November 2012 a low of about three it looks like up to 30 and as of today. Tin beggar as they like to call it. Yeah, exactly. So do you think it's a scam? I don't know if it's a scam or not. All I know is that you can't go wrong if you get out. Well, it's not that easy apparently to cash in. Then that's really fantastic, isn't it? It's like you've got to go through the exchange and then you've got to transfer it from that. You're losing money all the way.

07:27 And my big experiment was like, hey, you know, let's try it again. If people are into this Bitcoin community, then send me some Bitcoins. You know, if I get... I was only asking for like 30 Bitcoins total. I'm a cheap whore. Then I'll do another daily source code. And so what happened? Well, I got like 0.4 Bitcoin. So either possibility A, No one likes the show and doesn't give a crap which I'll put a number one on the list. No. And number two is this community just ain't much of a community. Ah, you better reverse those numbers. Yeah.

08:10 It's like, well, you know, I'm going to do a show. I'm going to work this weekend. If you can all send me Principality of Monaco, France. I can try that. It's like nobody's got to, you know, you go to PayPal or one of the or just send a check and you know, you're on your way. I mean, it's so easy. I mean, what? It's a good monetary system. We already have it in place. It's called the dollar. Yeah, well that's another conversation all together. Yeah, well I just assumed take a hundred bucks today as opposed to three bitcoins or whatever. Well, you know, I got more years left. Get out of Bitcoin. Speaking of having more years left, this was amazing. Have you ever heard, and you probably haven't, of Heino? Heino? H-E-I-N-O? H-E-I-N-O. So Heino was kind of like a folky singer.

09:08 Back in, when I was doing TV and radio in the Netherlands, Heino was a superstar in Germany. Oh, he's that German guy? Yeah, with the blonde hair and the wrap around black sunglasses. Yeah, born December 13th, 1938. That guy from Dusseldorf. Oh, gee, you Wikipedia, you a-hole. So Heino makes a comeback. He and actually this he's kind of the kick the comeback King and this used to be like the joke like oh He's coming back like I know again and so he comes back and he does an album full of cover tunes and But this is like this big brew high in Germany because now people are calling him and this is what caught my eye the headline German far-right singer heinous stages controversial comeback and

09:57 Like what it covers a bunch of songs in a cheap album, and this is a controversial yeah So here's one of the songs just to give you an idea of the the controversy that is high no just listen to the songs We can sing along Seems pretty tame He's kind of like the German Tom Jones essentially. But what happened is he's doing his PR campaign and this is what got to me. And someone said, hey, you know, he was doing an interview somewhere and someone asked him, how's your health, how you doing? And his answer was, I'm still as hard as steel, as tough as leather and nimble as a greyhound. And this is what got him in so much trouble.

10:54 Is this something Heinrich Himmler used to say? Close! These words are unmistakably taken from a speech given by Adolf Hitler to 50,000 members of the Hitler Youth Movement in 1935. Oh. So it's like, why? And also, hard as steel, tough as leather, nimble as a greyhound? I'd never heard this before. Apparently all Germans learn this. That this is, you know, like the bad thing to say. What was the phrase again? As hard as steel, as tough as leather, as nimble as a greyhound. We'll make a great title of the show. Hard as steel, tough as leather? Well, what he needed was a PR guy to change the words around. Well, yeah. He needed the Curry Dvorak. To be hard as tungsten. He needed the Curry Dvorak consulting group is what he needs. Tough as what? Tough as a cheap, as a two dollar steak, which is what we'd say here.

12:02 And how about hardest tungsten tough as a two dollar steak and nimble as a Goldman Sachs stockbroker? There you go we can and we can we can have Obama say that to his little UG and which Which seems to be on the way there's a bill in now. Let me see Where did it go? I'm trying to figure out who put the here it is HR 748 now we knew this was coming but here it actually is I'm gonna find out who put this bill in House resolution 748 to require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform national service Oh, yeah, we've been following this for five years here it is 500 shows either as a member of the uniformed services or as a civilian service in a federal state or local government program with a

12:58 community-based agency or community-based entity to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end strength requirements of the uniformed services and also to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act. So I think what happened is that and people you got duped Women you get so all these women like yeah, we want to be on the front lines. Yeah, we want equality Yeah, we want to be in combat. Well moms. You basically just helped your kids get inducted into the brown shirt you gant Because this bill Hey mom, thanks a lot. I mean that's that's literally what happened here. Let's see who introduced this bill wrangle. Oh, yeah, okay wrangle introduced this on February 15th

13:50 Frankl's been trying to, since, I don't know, since 2001, he's been trying to reinitiate the military draft. Yeah, which is essentially what this says, but he turned it around and he took that whole movement for equality of women in combat and turned it into, yeah, we got your kids now too. I don't know. I don't get it. I don't know what they're trying to do here, but it's just part of the militarization of the country. Well, it's what we do. Meanwhile, a more kind of, I guess, genteel thing has happened. It's a breaking news as far as I'm concerned, a little bit of real news. But there's a new network, I found it on the Dish Network, and I think it's shown up on cable, it's called Discovering America. And it has got, I think, the big breakout hit.

14:48 I'm trying to find which clip you're going to call for, so I'm ready for whatever it is. Okay, this is the breakout hit. You're gonna hear the... this will explain it all because it's essentially, it's got a little intro to that specific show, then the intro to the entire show, which is obviously clone of another show that you'll probably recognize, but play Bacon Long Version. Milwaukee, the city of brews in America's heartland. But there's just one thing on my mind. Bacon? Hide the hogs. That is like a meat bacon 4x4. I'm on an eating odyssey. Ready to tackle the city's ultimate bacon creation. Oh no, we have to put

15:39 I'm Todd Fisher, family man, chef, and proud bacon-loving American. I love bacon! I've worked my whole adult life in the food industry. Make it stop. And now I'm canvassing the nation, city by city, to devour America's best bacon dishes. Are we ready for some bacon? Yeah! These aren't just meals my knees are wobbling so good. I'm gonna kiss you these are mouth-watering tributes to the greatest meat ever Wait a minute wait a minute is my journey This is my country. This is the United States of bacon Wow United States of bacon You know and this is on which network I?

16:29 Discovering America, now let me point out a couple of things. One, it's obviously a clone of Anthony Bourdain's show. What is the Anthony Bourdain show? I have no idea what that is. He's another cook who's been traveling around just trying to discover... Oh, right. And he discovers all the crazy food everywhere. Yeah, yeah, okay. And so it's... I mean, the opening is written by the same guy. And this guy is... we're not talking about... we're talking Texas fat. Once again, John, we can see that Sharia law is infiltrating America, trying to hurt the Jews with the Bacon Show. I think this show's more insulting than the Muslims and Jews that I've ever met. But anyway, so the guy is hugely fat. Yeah.

17:15 and he's roaming around and can barely move his arms and he eats everything in front of him and he eats, but it's got lots of bacon on it and all and he loves it just like Bourdain by the way if you ever watch that guy's show. No! Everything he eats is the best, it's the greatest, there's nothing like it. No, I'm watching C-Span. I don't have time for this. This is American culture going down the tubes. And what is this short version? Do I play this? Is this just a stinger? No, that's just the intro without the front piece. It's not the... I'm Todd Fisher! Ah, okay, I gotcha. So, um... Bacon is an interesting meat, I will say. We have our favorite bacon guy at the Austin market.

17:58 which we go to every Saturday. And you know, it is very, if you really get into it, you know, you have your jowl bacon, you've got, you know, there's a million... Well, jowl bacon's quite tasty. Well, the problem with jowl bacon is it sticks to almost any pan. It's just, it's so gooey, it just sticks and it takes forever to cook. Gotta put a lot of bacon fat in the pan first. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. But it's it sometimes just that's a little too much me, but you know the the culture of bacon is quite incredible I had no idea. I mean when I grew up was like it came in a pack and

18:34 Right? You can see the little window. And my mom would, in the supermarket, would look at the back of the window and go like, dude, that's too much fat. No, we won't take that one. Like, all right, mom, whatever. Right? You know what I mean? Right? A little window. That's so much fat anyway, who cares? Yeah, that little window in the back. And now it's like I've been introduced to a whole new culture of bacon. Well, let me, the one thing I will say about this show, And I hate to say it, it's a great show! Really? It is a great show. He goes to all these cities, they do a great package. to give you a little history of what's going on in the town. It's done in black and white with a phony filter that makes it look like old footage. And then, but it's really well done. And then he goes from place to place to place, including places like he was in San Francisco. I never heard of any of these places. And they all seem very cool. You've got a good research group. It's well written. This guy, this fat guy, Austin, is a

19:30 in natural he does the voiceovers he does the talking in the show he's the beast the host and he's the guy said eat no bacon and he I've listen carefully his never stammered once flubbed once it's smooth as silk the guy that I use a broadcast all right you are now hearing the television production side of the curry devour a consulting group we don't use the advocate making programs about to meet However, in this case John seems to be quite enamored. It is a great show. I would be very proud to have produced that show. So can we get him to host? Win, lose or drone! Can we get him to host our show or co-produce? Yeah. I kind of build under the stage a little bit so it doesn't cave in. So let me move into some drone news so we can slowly slip away from your bacon fetish.

20:24 Although I wouldn't mind having the perfect John C. Dvorak bacon recipe so you can put that in the next newsletter We have a just a a treasure trove of drone news that has come out in the past in the past couple days since the last episode of the best podcast in universe and the one that well, this is kind of a double header on our show and So, apparently we have sent 100 troops over to Niger with the sole intent of building a drone base. Now the way the president announces this information to

21:04 The to Congress is with a little note. He says a little memo I've got the memo here somewhere and you know, the memo basically says hey, you know I'm just sending a couple people over there to a hundred troops, you know, they'll they'll be armed of course, obviously But that's here we go. I got it right just to protect themselves concerning Niger. Yes. This is exactly what he says. Here it is. Mr. President Dear speaker on February 20th the last elements elements of a deployment of approximately 40 additional US military personnel entered Niger with the consent of the government of Niger this deployment will provide support for intelligence collection and will also facilitate intelligent sharing with French forces. They got a little social network there

21:51 conducting operations in Mali and with other partners in the region. Not to mention who the partners are. Can't they just do this over the internet? They could. The total number of US military personnel deployed to Niger is approximately, I mean we don't really know exactly, you know, when you're up to a hundred it gets hard to count, 100. The recently deployed forces have deployed with weapons for the purpose of providing their own force protection and security. I directed this deployment of US forces in furtherance of the US national security interests, and pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct US foreign relations as Commander-in-Chief. King Obama, the warmonger.

22:39 So this is, of course the mainstream media can't ignore the fact that we have, you know, we're opening a drone base and that this is why these troops are deployed to Niger, but they're going to wrap it up in a little joke. And I guess they were holding on to this, there's a little memo they found in 2011, it was like, okay, so we want to tell people that the president is pretty much just deploying troops everywhere in Africa and they're going to build a drone base there, it's very convenient to have that, you know, pipeline protection, mineral protection, all kinds of cool reasons to drone brown people living in sandy areas or in jungles. We're going to wrap it up in a joke.

23:32 has agreed to let US drones operate from its territory so those drones could put a lot of pressure on al-qaeda militants in nearby Mali who are battling French forces. So that's kind of the, there's some actual news there but now let's make it all funny by laughing at the dumb terrorists with the list they put together of how to protect your shell from a drone. To counter them this tip sheet has suggestions ranging from the clever to the obvious. Don't use your wireless device. Hide under thick trees. For Al-Qaeda fighters on the battlefield, words literally to live by.

24:07 Those are among 22 tips for militants on how to avoid drone strikes. The Associated Press recently discovered a document with those suggestions in a building in Mali, where Islamist militants are battling French forces. The document had also been posted on jihadist websites. The available evidence suggests that the drone strikes have been psychologically traumatic to Al-Qaeda. It's induced a high degree of paranoia. in their ranks, they're fearful that they've been infiltrated by spies. This is stock footage of course, you know, it's like they just bring in, oh we got to the ace of English, the guy always sounds official when you put him on. Osama bin Laden shortly before his death had written letters to other Al Qaeda leaders with similar suggestions saying their fighters shouldn't meet on roadways and move too much in their cars because many of them got targeted while they were meeting on the road.

24:57 Bin Laden also suggested quote he should move only when the clouds are heavy as for this other list of suggestions one of the tips if you're in a car and you learn there's a drone after you leave the vehicle immediately and all the passengers should scatter in different directions another one set up fake gatherings of people using dummies to throw the drones off the trail so this it makes it makes these militant terrorists sound like stupid sand bunnies Like total total nincompoops, so you know And I and sometimes I even forget to do this. I only did it this morning I'm like, you know, this this papers got to be out there this tip sheet It's like tip was a stockbroker tip sheet like oh don't go Hey Abdullah, don't go outside unless it's heavy cloud cover the drone might kill you if you feel the drone is kid is following you Get scatter just scatter. I mean come on. So I want to read this thing so I have a copy of

25:53 the paper which is written in Arabic and a translation which I can only trust is an accurate translation. We have plenty of producers who can read this and will back me up. But, to my surprise, the news media has omitted several important points in this memo. First of all, it is referred to as a strategies of capabilities for Ansar al-Sharia. and this is from, it mainly focuses around Yemen and so in this memo it starts off by saying We have to know that all Americans do not, that the Americans did not resort to this approach, the war of the drone, because they have shortages in the combat jets like the F-16 and other types they don't possess or that they don't possess enough troops because it is the most suitable approach for them. Now the Americans fully realize that they are in the 10th year of war and that they were economically exhausted and suffering human losses and were confronted with public pressure backed by Congress in a way that made the

26:57 honorable and responsible withdrawal from war as a prime goal of the White House, which is true. The drone is unmanned and costs almost nothing compared to the manned jets and does not create public exasperation when it crashes because of the increase of human losses in the past. Push the American people to go to the streets shouting, bring back our sons. If a drone crashes, no one will shout, bring back our planes. So far making sense. So what are we going to do? The memo says, I believe that foiling this strategy depends on three things. One, The formation of a public opinion to stand against the attacks, deterring of spies and tactics of deception and blurring. The tactics are, and this is great, so the tactics, we have these 22 points. What did we just hear from CNN? Scatter if you hear the drone, put out mannequins, dummies, you know, shop window mannequins to fake them out, stand under a tree. Well, interestingly, yeah, stand under a tree.

27:58 Here's the list, starting with number one on the list from the memo. It is possible to know the intention and the mission of the drone by using the Russian-made SkyGrabber device to infiltrate the drone's waves and the frequencies. The device is available on the market for $2,595 and the one who operates it should be a computer know-how. So right off the bat they're talking about the Skygrabber, you can google that. And there are people who have Skygrabbed. This is basically intercepting the unencrypted video which we've known about for years. Right, it's been going on for a while. So that was number one on their list.

28:37 So wait, wait, stop a second. Hold on. So you're telling me that the media just sent us off on a wild goose chase of bad information when the memo in fact which you have because it is available and they could have looked at it too, right? I think they did look at it. And they, what did you think they were told not to talk about it? Well, I think it was more fun. They just trivialized it cuz they're well, I think I think it's both a I don't think that that CNN Would be in good graces and get lots of interviews with the administration and officials if they were telling all the human resources that you can go out and get the sky grabber in fact, you can find websites that stream sky grabber video and

29:16 So you can actually watch this in real time as these drones are flying around because it's unencrypted. And we've known this from the drone operators and sysadmins who listen to this program and help produce it, that there's tons of reasons why it's unencrypted. Mainly because the whole system sucks and the video wasn't coming back and they just, oh screw it, switch off the encryption crap so at least we can fly the plane. So the whole thing is flawed. Not two on the list. Using devices that broadcast frequencies or pack of frequencies to disconnect the contacts and confuse the frequencies used to control the drone. The Mujahideen have had successful experiments using the Russian made RACAL. So basically a jamming device. These Russians, they got it going on. Three. This is a good one. Spreading reflective pieces of glass on a car or the roof of the building.

30:14 That's not a stupid piece of advice. Four, placing a group of skilled snipers to hunt the drone, especially the reconnaissance ones because they fly low about six kilometers or less. True. No one talks about that. Five, jamming and confusing of electronic communication using the ordinary water lifting dynamo fitted with a 30 meter copper pole. Now I'm not quite sure. Read it again, maybe we can figure it out. Yeah. Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using the ordinary water lifting dynamo fitted with a 30 meter copper pole. Now what I get out of this is that a dynamo will make a huge racket which will disturb any type of HF frequencies.

31:02 Right, and using a long copper pole as an antenna. Well 30 meters, I guess that's a... 100 foot. Right. Like an antenna. But specifically saying 30 meters is because it's an antenna. That's probably, what do you think the drones operate on? What frequency? It's got to be gigahertz frequency, right? No, it has to be long distance, so it's got to be long wave. So it's got to be that, you know, the stuff you're, HF, you know, really, you know, it's got to be something like... I don't know, 16 meter or something like that. 30 meters is a big wave. Yeah, where would 30 meters be? That's what it probably would be, probably on 30 meters. That's 10 megahertz. Well, there's hand band at 30 meters. Well... Anyway, so this is basic stuff. So far, I haven't seen anything stupid. And we're only up to number 5.

32:01 Keep going. I like this one jamming and a jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using old equipment, keeping them running 24 hours because of their strong frequencies. It is possible using simple ideas of deception of equipment to attract the electronic waves similar to those used by the Yugoslav army when they use the microwave oven in attracting and confusing the NATO missiles fitted with electromagnetic searching devices. I didn't know that. Did you know that? No, but I love this go take your microwave out in the desert and flip it on. Open the door and run. Hey, we got a baked potato. Put a potato in there so just in case we get some use out of it. So not until number 10 do you get to hide under thick trees because they are best cover against the planes. Number 12, maintain complete silence of all wireless contacts.

32:56 And then this is, I mean, I think I find this to be very relevant to this memo. The drones used in the attacks in Swat Valley depend on electronic chips or radioactive dyes placed at the target by the spy or the agent. Then the guided missiles come directly towards these targets. The spy, therefore, is the main pillar of this operation, which is needed to resort to decisive deterrent means against anyone who might dare to carry out this mission to be hanged in public places with a sign hanging from his neck identifying him as quote American spy or any other deterrent means similar to that done to

33:36 Israeli spy hanged in Syria Levi Cohen or late Afghan president Najibullah So what they're saying is, you know, people are walking around spraying some radioactive dye on your clothes and they're basically marking you and we've got to you know, stop these spies by hanging them with a little memo that says American spy That's interesting because there was actually a NCIS Los Angeles that discussed the spray can of some weird stuff. Like DNA, I think it was DNA spray probably? No, no, it was something that was semi-radioactive. It wasn't pure but some maniac had gotten ahold of a can of this stuff and was spraying everybody in Los Angeles.

34:15 And so when they brought up the monitor or some, I don't know what it's in, the helicopter drone over the city and they found this all over the place, people wandering around with stuff on their pant leg. Because the guy had bent over and started to get his shoes. You're tagged. And spray people while they were walking by. Wow, we should we should look into that a little more if yes different than the IR paint Which is supposed to keep the drones from killing And then finally there I'm quoting from this memo There is the golden solution that shortens the long distances and through which we can bring back the pressure of the American public opinion So we're talking about psychological warfare in effect

34:55 in a more active way depending on the strategy of kidnapping in exchange for the drone strategy and we should not stop until they stop their strategy which will enable all the supporters of Jihad to take part in defeating Petraeus and his new strategy. This is how old this memo is. We start kidnapping Western citizens in any spot in the world, whether in the Islamic Maghreb, Egypt, Iraq or any other easy kidnapping places, and the only demand is the halt of attacks on civilians in Yemen, which is a just and humanitarian demand that will create world support and a public opinion pressure in America as they are being hurt again. We therefore aim at the core of the nation's strategy, which if failed, America will accordingly collapse.

35:38 These guys are wide-eyed optimists. We also are taking part in laying a block in the promising Islamic State in the Arab Peninsula. So kidnapping, you know, so I mean this I think is very relevant. So first of all they cover up the whole drone thing by laughing at, oh they're so stupid, but I don't see anything about mannequins by the way. And the guy in this news report literally had like five shop mannequins Actually does say it here. It's a mannequins in the actual report. I'm sorry It does using dolls and statues to be placed outside false ditches But he was like in a parking lot and had like five store mannequins. It's I mean the but but nothing about The Russian devices such as the sky grabber or the Raquel or Raquel we can't pronounce that Raquel What is that Raquel? Let me see what this thing is Raquel. What can the Raquel do?

36:36 R-A-C-A-L, Raycal. Raycal Electronics. Oh, here we go. Hmm. Raycal Electronics, PLC, once the third largest... Oh, it's a British electronics firm, or was. So I guess Raycal makes... Raycal. The Deca Radar. Okay. So those guys eventually turn into Vodafone? Wow. All right. So, bottom line, Screw you mainstream media. No, I mean there's a there's the reason people should donate to the show this one report which seemed innocuous when I ran out I didn't even pay him any attention you picked up on it quickly got the real report which is the one they were talking about and showed that the mainstream media is covering up they bypassed the whole thing and just to make some mockery of it putting us all in danger I might add

37:31 I'm being kidnapped. Seriously? Yeah, I'm being kidnapped. Yeah, I'm being kidnapped. If you're right, I think I'm gonna go to Yemen this weekend. Because there's no danger of kidnapping. Let's go on a bender in Yemen. God, I'd love to go. Get me some cot. Oh, Yemen, by the way, is supposed to be fantastic. It's supposed to be gorgeous. Get some cot. But you'd better be with a lot of locals. There was another thing on kidnapping over the weekend they were talking about in some part of somewhere. Dammit. I didn't think about clipping it, but yeah, kidnapping for money has always been a thing that's popular in Brazil. Everywhere. Mexico, for sure. Mexico. Do you want me to just wrap up the whole drone thing? Because I got like four more things. It was a bonanza of drones. Do you want to thank some people first? Should we do that? Yeah, let's do some executive producer thanks. We can't do that.

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47:48 I think I need air. I need the air conditioner. You might get re-reminded if you get your calendar up and count. I have the calendar and I'm looking here. So we're 24. So we need 10 more shows. So 1, 2, 3, 3, 7, and then 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Yes! No. It's on the 31st. Yeah. Yeah, Easter Sunday. Wow. Is that weird? It's prolific my friend.

48:27 You know there was the nationwide NASCAR race on Saturday and we got a bunch of email that's just people, they've always missed something funny. All the email or all the news stories says 33 people were in. Yeah, I know. It was actually 28 but it said 33. But what was weird about that 33 code is that in the process car 33 won the race. I know. I think you know They're really, NASCAR is having some kind of problems. So the first thing is they let Danica Patrick win pole, you know, and then they're like, you know, they got some coverage. And then I think the good old boys revolted like, what? Are you going to tell me a damn girl is going to be on pole? We need some crashes, damn it! And I think that's what happens. Like, yeah, we got to keep these ratings going.

49:18 NASCAR is huge. It's the biggest spectator sport in America. It's bigger than football, baseball, basketball, everything. It is the sport. I think that Daytona Speedway holds 300,000 spectators. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's huge. Well, that's the race today. We'll see what happens. When they did the wreck yesterday, I said, well this... I'm telling you, it was PR. No, I, that's the first thing I thought. I mean, I don't think they meant to hurt anybody in the audience because the damn car busted up into a million pieces and threw garbage into the stands. And of course, that race on Saturday only had about half the number of people that the race today will have. Right, right. But I think it was PR. How bad are we? Yeah, we are bad, but this is, I mean, we've done this show long enough to distrust everything.

50:11 And when 33 crops up twice? Yep, you gotta know. And oh by the way, you don't have to email me anymore and tell me that was the age Jesus was crucified. Like, okay, I think we've done the research on 33. And yes, I know Club 33 in Disneyland and the Freemasons. I know I got it. I've been to Club 33 twice Yeah, well you've also been to the that thing in the woods where you eat babies. Yeah. Yeah, we had a couple babies What is that thing called again? Bohemian Grove. Yeah, you've been out there. Yeah My point I've been out there. Leo LaPorte's been out there and he gave a speech. Hello everybody Yeah, he's doing he's doing quite well. So maybe you should have given a speech. I

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51:49 Now I remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA channel Dvorak.com slash NA no agenda show and no agenda nation have buttons you can click on and should get to some donation page or other. Yeah, and keep it short people. Remind me that you're donating to support the show and not, you know, just to have some monkey boy dance over here. So back to drone nation stuff. In fact, there's so much today I think we should do a little bit of our track. So first of all, on the very same day we had our program, our previous program, Lindsey Graham, Republican Senator, Senator, is he a Senator or a Congressman? I think he's a Senator, isn't he? I think he is too. He comes out and says 4,700 people have been killed by a drone.

52:43 Like wow, you know, this is like one of the most secretive numbers ever and when no one's supposed to know about you know How many people have actually been killed in fact as we're about to hear from former CIA director Hayden The CIA still doesn't even officially recognize or acknowledge. They have a drone program but here's Lindsey Graham and this of course sent the compromise news media into a tizzy and Because they've got to work on the right propaganda, they've got to tone that down. So who do you call? Well, your buddies at the Council of Foreign Relations, Erin Burnett, or Burnet as we call her here in Texas. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told an audience in Easley, South Carolina yesterday that quote, 4,700 people have been killed in American drone strikes, but he didn't disclose a source.

53:28 Now, total numbers on drone deaths, to the consternation of many, are closely held by the US government. So this seemed like a big headline. AFP released a story that many media outlets then picked up, writing that, quote, it was the first time a politician or any government representative had referred to a total number of fatalities in drone strikes. Well, it might have been the first time, except that when we called Senator Graham's office, turns out he was getting his numbers from a public source, he said. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Oh, which he said with such a snide comment, snide condescending voice. He doesn't really know. He doesn't know what's going on. Could be more. Yeah. Well, that's not the vibe she gave us, that it could be more.

54:16 So we've got all of these senators and I have a congressman here just coming out with all kinds of crazy talk. Now let's stop for a second and go over that what she just... because what she... it doesn't mean he was wrong by any means and she never said he was. No, but she... it was the tone. She implied that he gave up sources not good information which is bull crap. Well because you know if you're not CNN and you don't have Jeff Zucker running the show then clearly you're no good. Anyway I'm sorry unless she's getting more annoying by the minute.

54:54 But you know what some we know what's crazy about that is that the more annoying she gets the hotter she gets This is this is you this is no no no her butt is significantly smaller her look at her waist her waist It's just like it's like you know. It's really and by the way. I'm only speaking as a television producer here I'm not you know not talking about producer mode. Okay. Go ahead do that. Oh, yeah hold on what I still need to work on her hair She has a snide look that needs to be toned down a little bit. She's not going to work in the morning. Here's the problem. She's not going to work in the morning. No, she's not going to work in the morning if they dress her like this. She always wears this shimmering, shiny type of top.

55:35 Which by the way is very modern, very hip, it's what all the girls in LA are wearing. It's also what the beautiful women in Austin wear it. But that's not what we want to see on television, certainly not in the morning. It needs to be tailored tight. It needs to be Megyn Kelly. Yeah, you need to have a real neckline. Megyn Kelly, I'm sorry, you nailed it John. That's what it has to be if you want to be successful in the morning. And by the way, she's out now, our buddy at CNN there. What's her name? Our friend whose name we can never remember. Solonad? Yeah, she's out. Yeah, she's done. Yeah, but she'll remain. She has her own production company and she'll make specials. This is like the kiss of death. That is totally the kiss of death. That's like hiatus. Yeah, you'll get... Code! It's code for you're through. You're screwed. Get out. Find local, local TV. You'll get a nice job as an anchorwoman on some local news show. Yeah, go get pregnant.

56:33 Right, it's totally that. That's exactly how the meeting went. She already ran through the whole, she ran through the gamut. She was going to be the Supers next big thing at NBC, they started off at MSNBC, they're going to push her up. She failed because there's a better looking multi-culti woman that came around and she just blew everybody. Who was better than her? I can't remember her name. She's on now. She is absolutely She's so far above everybody else it's ridiculous. She's gorgeous, she's slick, she's amazing and she just looks network, she feels network, she's perfect. So then Soledad got bounced around, I'll get that woman's name later. Soledad bounced around and then they finally, you know, they kept trying her to do this and that because she's got the kind of a look they're looking for but she just never

57:17 She doesn't, I don't know if she's not welcoming. Hey, wait a minute. John, stop, stop, stop. Meeting, meeting, meeting right now. Are we crazy? We're doing this, we're sending her in the wrong direction. She needs to look like Adele. Right, she should fatten up. Fatten up, that's right. Beautiful. That's right, but you still need the plunging neckline. I mean, send him a bill for this consulting. This is, you need to fatten up. It needs to be tight. You know, she just needs to be much thicker, but the boobs have to like, because Adele, you look at Adele, she's got plunging neckline. And you got to talk a little skankier. They had a thing, I was either on 60 Minutes or one of these big news programs where they had some, I don't know what how to call it, plus-size model. Yes, yes. Very gorgeous looking woman. Of course, they're beautiful. She had huge hips. Yeah. And they were promoting it. She was the one, this woman, was the one that was behind the Naples thing where they're trying to get skinny models off the runway because they're big in the

58:11 and amphetamines and turning the heroin market into something else. Turning the heroin market, yeah, exactly, yes. All right, anyway, that's our advice for today. Are you still there? Yeah So actually because you said she's on right now and I look back behind to my telescreen there and I have and I saw Friggin former CIA Guy Hayden is now doing the round so I got a thing from C-SPAN which I want to get to but first the what I think the reason why is he is uh... walking around all the t.v. shows now is because we've got all the senators and congressman coming out and talking crap they shouldn't be talking about here's mike rogers uh... with uh... the original adele of cnn i can be crowded yes or no from us the question about grounds in the use of them a targeting americans overseas aloha key and known terrorist but american citizens will suspend for killed you've talked about oversight you think there's plenty of oversight for this drone program where you told in advance

57:17 She doesn't, I don't know if she's not welcoming. Hey, wait a minute. John, stop, stop, stop. Meeting, meeting, meeting right now. Are we crazy? We're doing this, we're sending her in the wrong direction. She needs to look like Adele. Right, she should fatten up. Fatten up, that's right. Beautiful. That's right, but you still need the plunging neckline. I mean, send him a bill for this consulting. This is, you need to fatten up. It needs to be tight. You know, she just needs to be much thicker, but the boobs have to like, because Adele, you look at Adele, she's got plunging neckline. And you got to talk a little skankier. They had a thing, I was either on 60 Minutes or one of these big news programs where they had some, I don't know what how to call it, plus-size model. Yes, yes. Very gorgeous looking woman. Of course, they're beautiful. She had huge hips. Yeah. And they were promoting it. She was the one, this woman, was the one that was behind the Naples thing where they're trying to get skinny models off the runway because they're big in the

58:11 and amphetamines and turning the heroin market into something else. Turning the heroin market, yeah, exactly, yes. All right, anyway, that's our advice for today. Are you still there? Yeah So actually because you said she's on right now and I look back behind to my telescreen there and I have and I saw Friggin former CIA Guy Hayden is now doing the round so I got a thing from C-SPAN which I want to get to but first the what I think the reason why is he is uh... walking around all the t.v. shows now is because we've got all the senators and congressman coming out and talking crap they shouldn't be talking about here's mike rogers uh... with uh... the original adele of cnn i can be crowded yes or no from us the question about grounds in the use of them a targeting americans overseas aloha key and known terrorist but american citizens will suspend for killed you've talked about oversight you think there's plenty of oversight for this drone program where you told in advance

59:11 of those two killings? For the planning purposes of airstrikes against terrorists and enemy combatants overseas, yes. These specific men? If people make the target list, we know that in advance. There's appropriate oversight. And then how we target those individuals changes from day to day. But airstrikes is certainly a part of that. So apparently they knew about it. They were told if you're on the kill list then a little bike messenger goes up the hill to Congress. I got today's kill list, it's Tuesday. Alright let's see who's on the list. Oh looks good to me. American man, looks good to me. What do you say John? Looks good to me? Yeah looks good, let's just kill him. So Rand Paul of course is not having any of this.

59:55 and he is the senator from Kentucky, son of Ron Paul. I'm not a huge fan of Ron Paul, and I think that he is mocking, mocking, and I'm not sure, man, this guy bugs me. He's got a funny look. He's like one of those guys with two sets of eyelashes. He needs to fatten up like Adele, otherwise... If he fattened up like Adele, he'd have it made. So he's basically taking our material and doing it on CNN. Well, you know, the idea that you get a trial before a jury and a judge if you're accused of a crime is something that we've had in our history, through English history as well as US history for 800 years. It's a very important part of the Bill of Rights due process. So what we're talking about is not killing someone with a grenade launcher on their shoulder. We're talking about someone eating at a cafe in Boston or in New York and a Hellfire missile comes

1:00:54 uh... reigning in on them there should be an easy answer from the administration on this they should say absolutely no we will not kill americans in america without an accusation a trial and a jury so i'm not talking about people engaged in lethal force i'm talking about people sitting in a cafe having coffee that's what's being people like this are being killed around the world we should not do this in america and it's inexcusable that the administration will not answer absolutely no we will not do this so it's true what he's saying is you know could we even heard the president's elf on the a fireside hangout at the google saying you're not saying that he wouldn't kill americans uh... in america

1:01:38 Yeah, in fact this is the big news this week because apparently this question has been asked over and over of both Brennan and Obama and Brand Paul came out and says he is going to filibuster. Yes, he's going to stop Bre- and by the way I think Brennan is the devil. And the armed- You know he sure looks like it. And the armed forces of the United States military are, they want him out. They hate this guy because he's responsible for military personnel dying. He stopped the rescue attempts at Benghazi and everyone knows this. Everyone's too pussy to come out and say it. Rand Paul's too pussy to say it. John McCain's too pussy to say it. It's just a big bunch of pussies. Pussy, pussy, pussy.

1:02:25 So then we have former CIA Director Hayden and he was CIA director during the Bush administration I think 2005 like three years or whatever. And he's on C-SPAN. He's being interviewed by a former CNN prostitute and is at the Washington Institute. You know, what it would the Washington Institute just one of these drinking clubs you would call it another drink. Yeah, but this is wonderful stuff because C-SPAN broadcast this in its entirety. And by the way, here's a tip for you producers. One of our producers very kindly if you go to C-SPAN video dot org C dash span video dot org

1:03:07 When you see one of these C-Span interviews or whatever it is, you can make clips in their interface. And you can label these clips, you can put comments in. And it's really funny because this producer, and I had seen the thing live as it was taking place, I'm like, oh, I gotta go back and find some clips for Sunday. And he went in, he created a couple of clips, some were way too long, you know, I'm looking for one minute clips, and so I couldn't use the really long ones. But he labeled them, you know, like, Hayden, lying bastard, and all this stuff. It was really funny. So I'm sure that'll get removed eventually. But you can really help the show by going into C-SPAN, creating the clips, sending me the link,

1:03:46 And then all I have to do is just record the clips. So it's very very helpful when you do this. It's very helpful because they have the closed captions, you know, they have the transcript that rolls along. The C-SPAN website is, besides the video player being a piece of crap, otherwise is very very helpful for the program. So first we have to have Hayden deny that the drone program even exists. Pro-CIA's drone program. The fact that CIA does or does not have a drone program has never been confirmed or denied by my government and I am not about to start tonight. He talked about it on that C-SPAN show he discussed it openly. No, this is the C-SPAN show. No, no, not that one. The one where they had the three goofballs up there trying to get out of getting accused of drug crimes. No, no, he's discussing it but he will not admit that the CIA runs it.

1:04:41 This is very important distinction. The way he denies it stinks. But what stinks more is the elitist cocksuckers who are sitting there laughing, oh that's so funny from the most transparent government in the universe. What was your advice as to the government's drone program? Kill them I say! That we were faced with an unconventional enemy who rejected both Westphalia, the fact that states do this, and Geneva. They rejected Geneva for us, actually rejected Geneva for them, saying that all their adherents were true combatants. We're faced with an unprecedented circumstance with the citizens of the Republic at risk. And therefore, the targeted killing program that has proceeded over two incredibly different administrations.

1:05:35 I think fits all the squares of lawful, appropriate and effective. Lawful, appropriate and effective. That's the, it fits. Yeah, get the lawful part and try to prove that one. Show us the memo! So he went to Europe. and he had to present his same case about it being lawful appropriate and effective yes and they didn't grab him well this was apparently when he was still CIA director so I guess he had his hoods and he was protected and so I want to play this clip because the Europeans of course totally disagree with the whole drone program but the humor this guy uses which is of a vile sexual

1:06:21 undertone, not even undertone, it is so dumb, but it shows you how these elitist shits actually think. So I go to the German embassy in the spring of 2007, Germans are in the chair of the EU, so the German ambassador's got all the ambassadors to the United States from the EU countries there for lunch. Alright? So they're doing a European ho. That's a sports metaphor. They're doing a European ho. Nobody said? Yeah. I couldn't hear it. And then he says that's a sports metaphor. Oh jeez. So because of course what they actually do... I mean this is advice to everybody. If you're not a comedian, don't do comedy. But if you're a politician who spends the majority of his time traveling abroad buying hookers, don't make jokes about it. Because I'm accusing you now, Hayden, of doing that for this lame-ass joke.

1:07:15 And the douche knuckle audience. Let's have a little fun. Let's talk about renditions, detentions, interrogations. This is his dinner speech by the way that they pay him $100,000 for I'm sure. I don't think he's got that level but it's possible. 50 at least 50. Yeah 50 minimum I agree with that. And he'll just stand up and just talk and walk around the table and he'll do the shtick. Right right cuz he's so high yeah, yeah 50 grand for sure shake some hands I'm sorry to be flip, but it was I wanted them to understand our thinking all right now No, I know they didn't agree with our thinking, but I wanted them to understand it I had a great speechwriting staff, but this is one. I really did a lot of work on my own Oh, you did some work. It's two or three. I said to the gathered European diplomats Let me tell you what I believe my agency believes my government believes, and I believe my nation believes We are a nation at war

1:08:16 We're at war with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. This war is global in scope. And the only way I can fulfill my legal and moral responsibilities to my citizens is to take this fight to that enemy, wherever they may be. Four sentences. War, Al Qaeda, global, take the fight. There wasn't another country in the room who agreed with me. War, Al Qaeda, global, take the fight. That's the four sentences. That's his entire PowerPoint, by the way. They not only rejected those four sentences for them, they did not believe in the legitimacy of those four sentences for us. And so this yay or nay on targeted killings and drone strikes is rooted in the national perception of what is going on here. Ah, I'm sorry. It's about the perception. This is why he's out there. It's all about the psychological perception of killing people with drones. Our national perception, again, endorsed by two incredibly different presidents, is that we are at war and that we can use the laws

1:09:17 not the unlawfulness, but the laws of armed conflict to defend our citizens. And so there we... Now, alright, that's kind of narrowly legal, that's kind of focused only on effectiveness. There is a broader issue. There is a very important issue of the long-term effects of our actions even if they are legitimate and effective. So then he goes into the whole blowback thing, etc. But this is... Think the best explanation anyone has done about what is really going on here is the necessity to convince the public not just American public but the global public that we are at war and This is why you know, of course, it doesn't compute and we always say oh, well, we've decimated al-qaeda, but there's still the affiliates and the adherents of

1:10:07 Another fantastic word. The supporters. Yeah, the fans. The fan base. The fan club. It's like Taylor Swift's fan club. They have a newsletter, all of this stuff. So then of course we'll wrap this up with him explaining, because you know we've been expecting something like the FISA court where you'll have some judge who will be appointed by the president who will rubber stamp in the FISA court as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act where it's like, oh, we can legally wiretap you and listen to you and bug your bedroom and your bathroom because you might be talking to some foreign agent. I talk to foreigners all the time who live in foreign countries, so I'm probably bugged.

1:10:49 We'll have a judge rubber stamp the use of drones and that'll be enough. That's the oversight. But no, no, no, no, no. The true way we're going to go I think is revealed in this bit by Hayden. Knows what the correct course of action should be. I'm going to do a couple of other questions from the audience and then I'm going to invite you to go to the microphone. if you want to answer the general question directly. And let's mix it up a little bit here. How do you feel about the use of drones to kill American citizens without a proper trial by jury? I'm okay. You're okay. I'm okay. I'm all good. I'm okay legally. I'm okay operationally. But I also know, you made some references to my previous lives and controversial programs, I also know that a narrow base of lawfulness

1:11:39 and even effectiveness are not sufficient in the American political system. For our democracy to do anything for a long period of time. You can get away with the one-off with narrow legalness lawfulness and effectiveness, which is exactly what's happening right now It's like we got away with all all lucky and the other guy and I will throw in his son He was a sick with a waste 16 year olds the teenagers are a pain in the ass pimply bastards So we blew that kid up. So now the base is not there anymore. So what are we gonna do? But if you're gonna do it sustained You do need political consensus. And so, although I think the administration has been correct, I do think

1:12:20 It needs to be a bit more open and it's trying to do that. The president made the promise in the same speech you just played the clip from to be more transparent with this so that we can have the adult public discussion about this. Adult? So that there's a comfort level. Is there going to be a judicial review? No. No? This is not, this is not the business of courts. This is armed conflict. This belongs in the hands of the two political branches. So then what should you have? Well then declare war you douchebag. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You're asking for an idea? Yeah. A commission? All right? Seven people, four from the Congress, two from each party, three from the executive branch. They review all the... And a keg of beer and five lines of blow. ...activity. They don't pre-approve it. They review it and they report to both political branches with their findings. And if you pick the right people, you know, prominent Americans that people trust... Let's see, put Inmelt on there. Who else are we going to put on the board, John, on the kill panel?

1:13:19 I think Imeldt would be good. How about Gates? Bill Gates? I think Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg is the guy. Zuck. Zuck the drone. Secretary Powell. Oh, Powell. Secretary Perry. Who's Secretary Perry? Secretary Perry? Perry is secretary of what? Folks with impeccable credentials, that would give you an extra degree of oversight that might give our political structure confidence that as tough as this is, as troubling as it might be,

1:13:54 It's needed at least for now. Alright, so that is, I believe that is the way we're gonna go. Is seven people on the board, we'll have Zuckerberg on there, we get Imhold. Maybe not Imhold, maybe we need someone a little more... Colin Powell, I think he's played out, I don't think he's the right guy anymore. Nah, he's done. Who's Secretary Perry? I don't know there's a one there was a Secretary of Defense Perry but I can't seem to find any comment. William Perry? William Perry? That would be William Perry. Well maybe it is William, maybe they're talking about William Perry because they keep giving their old titles like you know they still talk about President Clinton. Right. Mr. President, he's not the president anymore why do they do that? It's like some sort of what are we the British Empire and you have all these honorary things you've been you know you've been the Queen so you're always the Queen? Yeah. Well I guess you would be in that case but just beside the point you know he's not a president anymore, former president.

1:14:50 Yes, so Perry was under Bill Clinton. Okay, I get it. Yeah, so they want to have one Secretary of Defense who was Republican, one who was... So we're gonna balance it. It's gonna be fair and balanced. But I think Zuckerberg is great because that'll get the kids. And by the way, it's not a pre-approval. It's after the fact. So the drone goes, the citizen gets droned, and then they have oversight. Like, oh, was that a fair kill? Yeah, I guess that was fair. We'll have a little meeting, bring in the beer, seven people so we can never have a split vote. It's like the Supreme Court, I guess. Supreme Court of death by drone. How about Barbara Walters?

1:15:35 Put her on there or the what's-her-name that has been that ended up on current TV Joy Behar No, no, no the meeting will go on forever. No not Joy Behar We want to get in and out. We don't be sitting around forever in this stupid meeting. No, I think Zuck is great We need someone withstanding someone. Yeah someone hmm. Well, we'll work on that obviously And you're up to date with Drone Nation everybody here on the best podcast in the universe in the morning. Yeah, that's a good one. That was a good segment I have to say. We have to do that more often. Well we should, we'll burn this on No Agenda CDs. I think noagendacd.com is doing a lot of these things. Yeah, just the thing on drones would be a good little CD. I think people would get a kick out of it. And you can throw it like a drone after you're done. See if you can cut someone's head off if you're good.

1:16:31 So I would take so I have just a one put I want to get back on the Pope thing for a second Yeah, let's get on the Pope. I just got this one little clip which just dropped in a new little bomb and apparently the the Italian media is going after this yeah quitting in a big way a little summary yeah, I'm glad you got a clip the 16th, praying with cardinals on the last day of Latin religious services. But outside that spiritual haven, a storm is brewing. The Vatican is lashing out at the Italian media for a string of what they call, quote, defamatory falsified reports. It is deplorable that as we draw closer to the time of the beginning of the conclave and the cardinal electors will be held in conscience and before God to freely indicate their choice.

1:17:17 that there be a widespread distribution of often unverified, unverifiable or completely false news stories. Italian newspapers in recent days have suggested a secret dossier prepared for the Pope by three cardinals who investigated leaked Vatican documents in 2012. The report alleges a series of scandals involving sex, money and power. even suggesting a quote shadowy gay lobby in the Vatican. There's speculation in the Italian media that the content of the dossier is what caused Pope Benedict to resign. This is not about suing and legal action right now it's a call to truthfulness and authenticity of the journalism profession which is very important. The Pope has said he doesn't have quote the strength of mind and body to continue his role but the next pontiff will still have to

1:18:06 to navigate a minefield of controversy, including sex abuse within the church allegedly covered up. I would say you can't evangelize if the house isn't in order. The three cardinals who investigated the leaked documents are expected to meet with Pope Benedict on Monday. Meanwhile, the pontiff will hold his final Sunday blessing tomorrow. Pete O'Bear! Now there's an interesting thing about this, this guy says. Obviously they need the Dvorak, the Currie Dvorak Consulting Company to straighten out their PR efforts. Group, it's group. You don't say the following. The guy says, he says, these reports from these newspapers, they're either unverified, unverifiable or completely false. In other words, they're true, you just can't prove it.

1:18:53 They're true except there's it's like this Unverifiable ones if I mean there's no there was most of them are true There is a couple false items in here, but for the most part you're right on the money You're right on the money, but you can't use this because it's not fair because you can't verify it So they got it from sources in the Vatican so I thought the gay cabal was interesting because I've run into I've heard this this theory I've heard as well the gay cabal and Yeah. Go ahead, tell me who you ran into. Well, I mean, you know, this is not just the gay cabal, the lesbian cabal that's in the Department of Homeland Security that we've talked about on the show.

1:19:29 with which has been getting you know making apparently harassing men mercilessly and but any cabal I mean any time a group any sort of group gets a kind of a foothold it's a whole different yeah it's horrible rampant all people cabal you see go to or is a once tall yeah you go to like go to the offices of us is Oracle there's not a woman in there that's not like a but you know some gorgeous model beautiful and because they used to be my client all of the men are total douchebags. Yeah. And they're all like, hey, look at that skirt. Beauty and the douchebag. Yeah, exactly. And it's culture. It's culture. So it's a corporate culture thing. So you get a foothold in an organization, any organization, government, obviously, which we have a DHS or the church, a huge operations, massive. Yeah.

1:20:22 you end up with people hiring their buddies or hiring people they like or you know I like the way you look or hey he's one of us. Or like pedophiles. And you end up with a disaster. Yeah this is what happened to the Justice Department in the Netherlands with all the pedophiles running around. Yeah there you go. Exactly. They hire their buddies and then you're all blackmailing each other about what you do whether it's harassing men harassing women you know, stealing, doing drugs, whatever. Nobody in the Catholic Church was blackmailing anybody, they were just wink-winking. Well, it's the church. I mean, this Cardinal that's United States, for his name, Murray, or whatever he is, the guy they don't want going back there to vote, is one of the worst case scenarios, that guy. And

1:21:07 Is the guy who covered up? Did he cover up? Yeah, he covered up like 200 things and the new Cardinal that came in said he was a douchebag. He shouldn't even be in the... Cardinal douchebag! Yeah, that's good. Cardinal douchebag of California. According to the ITCCS.org, which is the International Tribunal of into Crimes of Church and State, which is a seems like a real spiffy outfit. They say Pope Benedict resigned to avoid arrest and seizure of church wealth by Easter. Cardinal Mahoney's his name. Mahoney, right. Yeah, anyway, go on. So they're saying that diplomatic note was issued to the Vatican just prior to the Pope's resignation.

1:22:01 Because I don't know this yes, you know what I don't know. I really don't know I well we'll find out in a minute the Italian never will never find out and by the way the Italian slaves are voting today Yeah, yeah, they voted the comedians buddies in you know I've heard things about Beppe Grillo which is not so good that this guy is actually a shill and Under the guise of ha ha ha ho ho he's gonna bring in so much austerity people will be you know just dying on the street That so I that doesn't sound that doesn't ring right doesn't sound right. What do you mean? Oh?

1:22:40 I mean if he's going to be promising one thing and he delivers something completely the opposite it would be like Obama and they'd run him out. It would never happen. They'd run him out. They'd drone him. And Berlusconi, I think, I'm telling you Berlusconi still has a shot. He does have his followers. Yeah, well he's got the media is what he has. Yeah, he owns it. He owns everything. But the rule in Italy is that they have no publishing on polls. Etc. Obviously that influences people, which is a good rule to have, especially if you got one guy owning all the media. But that's kind of what we should have here in America. We don't have that. We have the media all owned by one corporation or two. And we just incessantly publish all kinds of polls and bull crap and lies. It's just what we do. I think there's another vote somewhere. I think Cyprus is voting today.

1:23:39 There's several votes going on, but good luck to everybody over there in Italia Euro land. You'll get what you deserve. Not really covered here in the United States of Gitmo Nation, the protest in Madrid. Did you see that? Did you see the pictures of that? Oh yeah, huge, huge. The Spanish are just going ballistic. They've been protesting left and right. Millions of people, essentially they will not cover it in the United States. They don't want to give anybody any ideas because in fact if you look at the shadow stats guy out of San Francisco and what he says is going on with the unemployment rate which the government figures show it slowly dropping, his main number, the shadow stat number is still going up. It's almost at 25% right now. True unemployment in the United States which is about what it is in Spain.

1:24:32 Yeah, only these are mainly young people who are at 50%. Oh, they're at 50 or 60 percent. Yeah, they're just just crazy. But we have this we probably have a number like that for young people. We just don't have anyone with the guts to publish it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we do. You know, it's funny, you know, so many people just come by and young people like, hey, you know, you know, they see us moving in. Hey, can I help out? You know, 12 bucks an hour. I'll do whatever you want. Which is better than minimum wage. What's this? I'd forgotten about that. That's They Might Be Giants, who I'll be interviewing on stage here at South by Southwest. Is that from one of their songs? Yes. Oh yeah. Those guys are very funny. They were kind of like way ahead of their time.

1:25:34 Still are they're probably 10 years older than I am now. I don't know how old they are. It might be So anyway, so you see a lot of yes, you might be tall too. No, they may be might be Giants, but I don't think they're tall. Hey So we have very low unemployment in Texas But I will say that the it's not like, you know, people aren't gonna get no Golden Watch in 20 years You know, this is gigs people are running around doing stuff jumping from here to there food trucks Man, we got the food trucks right nearby in South Congress. Food trucks are all over the country. They've taken off like wildfire because people can't afford to open a real restaurant. Some of the food trucks, in fact, a lot of these shows on Discovering America are about food trucks. And food trucks, which I

1:26:20 You know, I think really began with the taco truck on the West Coast and then evolved into the food truck, which is also big in Europe apparently. Our guys with one or two specialties and they can sell these things and actually make a good living once they get to pay off the truck, which is about $100,000. Well, so we went to the, there's a right off South Congress, right near the cross street is like Monroe across from the South Congress cafe. There's a kind of like a playground and there's I'd say eight or nine food trucks. One of them is actually I Love that because we saw this happen in San Francisco. It's a yellow container. It's literally just a container They've cut out a door cut a little hole for the chimney and it's just selling grilled cheese. I

1:27:06 And the line is off the hook. So I've been thinking... By the way, I was watching one of these things. Did you know the grilled cheese sandwich was actually an invention during the Great Depression? It's a cheap weighty dinner. There you go. And when you send the pictures, one of our producers sent us a photo they took at the store of all the mac and cheese boxes. Yeah. On many of them it says mac and cheese dinner. But do you see where I'm going with this, John? Yeah. I'm telling you we're gonna do food trucks, right? We're gonna do real simple containers.

1:27:48 Yellow, it's the mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, everybody deserves their mac and cheese. You slaves can get used to mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Cheap macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese, mac and cheese. And I think we actually say it that way. We have mac and cheese, Curry Dvorak Consulting's mac and cheese, cheap macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together. Yum. Yum, or just do LG hashtag LG why I'm telling you it's a bonanza John they're standing in line for the freaking

1:28:26 for the grilled cheese. Can you imagine if we actually did mac and cheese? We had across from in San Francisco is that American Grilled Cheese Company or whatever it's called. Yes! It's a bonanza. The place was packed for people that were eating essentially, let's get it real now, depression food. Depression food. And for seven bucks? They're paying seven bucks for depression food. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I'm telling you, mac and cheese and we'll throw in some bits of bacon. as a specialty and you give it on a plate. Add bacon a dollar. That's a big time. Add bacon.

1:29:06 I'm telling you this is a this is a I have not seen a mac and cheese food truck and if we ever want to really make it rich this is the way to go because I was talking to the girls at the Dosa truck which is quite tasty but dosa you ever had a dosa. I don't even know what you're talking about It's like it's like a mattress like a You know like the foam rubber on the inside of a mattress? So that's, they kind of put some goop in there with some rice and then some chutney. And it's gluten free and whatever. D-O-S-A, Dosa. Yeah, there's some images. It's like a burrito. Yeah, but the burrito thing is like mattress foam.

1:29:51 Kind of like, what's the restaurant that you eat with your hands that's where people are starving in that country? Morocco? No, no. Other country. Where, like Bia? Hawaii? No, B... I want to say not... Oh, come on. Not Vietnam. I'm looking at this thing. So you get this big piece of whatever the hell it is. It's got something in it. Yeah, it's mattress foam. And you get three things to dip in. You get to dip. You get some dips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, oh good idea from the chat room. We can do mac and cheese with spam. You could add spam Yeah, yeah ads ads add spam $2 Okay, dosa is a fermented crepe or pancake made from rice batter and black lentils It's it's not it's in a stable. It's mattress southern India. It's mattress foam. Oh

1:30:45 Ethiopia, thank you Tight Ends. It's popular in Sri Lanka. Ethiopia is what I was thinking. If you go to an Ethiopian restaurant and you get that same mattress foam because you don't have utensils at the Ethiopian restaurant. Oh yeah, I've had this dish at an Indian restaurant. Foam. So anyway, so I think there's a real business here for us. Yeah, I think the mac and cheese truck would probably pack him in. I mean it is the in fact what are we waiting around for? I don't know. We should just get on the stick right over here. Mickey's like Ethiopia. Thank you, darling Ethiopia don't you know where people are starving it's Ethiopia douche. They're always starving. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why they just don't move out

1:31:36 Or eat some steak, something like that. I'm gonna show my small by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. I'm loving that one. Well, hopefully, uh, the sisters are above minimum wage. We'll start with a few thank yous to Sir Jason Stevens in Las Vegas, Las Wages Nevada $111.11 without comment. Justin Fishin, he has a subscription so he's giving us $111.11 commonly. Justin Fishin, Cloquet, Minnesota, Minnesota Nuts and he's got $111.11. He wants a shot of Little Girl Yay Karma for you both. Yay! You've got karma.

1:32:33 Dean Evans in Leicester, UK. Just discovered the show a few weeks ago. He came in with 101 dollars. Just a few weeks ago he just discovered the show and wants to give us value for value. Such a great job you guys do. Thank you. Just watch, you know, we have people that have been watching from show one and they admit it and then they give us like, you know, they never give us anything. Also prompted me to use a domain I requested. I finally used a domain that he registered some time ago. A-hole. It's A-holes. It's A-H-O-L dot E-S. Wait, does that point to us? Hold on. A-H-O-L dot E-S. Let me see. It's Spanish. That's a Spanish domain.

1:33:16 No, he has a whole cool site here. It's the top 10 A-holes. Oh, it's to spread the formula by highlighting A-holes around the world. Oh, there we go. We've got a little banner right in the middle of his site. Thank you. He's got A-holes, top 10 A-holes. Number one, George W. Bush. Number two, L. Ron Hubbard. 3. Pope Benedict XVI 4. Mitt Romney 5. Sarah Palin 6. Lance Armstrong 7. Tom Cruise 8. David Cameron 9. Barack Obama 10. Piers Morgan I think we need work on the list. I would flip that upside down. Yeah, I agree. I think your list is inverted. Yeah, your list is wrong. But anyway, thank you. This is a very nice thank you and welcome to the family. Welcome to the No Agenda Producing family. Yeah. And he wants a karma to get the ball rolling there?

1:34:06 You've got karma. And let me see, do we have any new a-holes? Yeah, Hayden. Hayden should be on there. Hayden should be on the list. I will think of... Where's Cheney? I mean, come on. Come on, Brennan. I mean, O'Brennan. O'Brennan. John O'Brennan. Yeah, please. These dead guys and other a-holes are just meaningless. Sir, Erica Bodenstab in Lauderdale, Minnesota. $100. No need to read this on the show. Oh, okay. Thanks. Love you. Mean it. He does no call-outs, no karma, just a note of thanks, he says. He's just proud to be a knight. He says he's proud to be a knight. He is. He should be. Thank you. Anonymous in Randwick, New South Wales. I think if someone's anonymous, you don't read the note.

1:34:52 Some anonymous people want you to read the note as anonymous. He said he had a deja vu moment recently. I said I may have found a forerunner to the No Agenda show. This is kind of interesting. The show is thinking about media assassination from the 1890s. Yeah, actually I saw this email and I went to get the book. That's an old book by Hilaire Belloc and according to J.C. Buzzkill Jr. this was a good friend of C.K. Chesterton and I guess Bernard Shaw. There's a group of these guys. It was like a little club, drinking club. Yeah. And I guess they were unhappy with the bull crap media in 1890. So we look back and it's... Imagine, imagine... I change nothing! Yeah, but imagine they had to sit around. I think they got to drink a lot more than we do.

1:35:38 Yeah, good waiting for the next newspaper to come out. Yeah Yeah, you and I is like we do this twice a week three hours each time Yeah, they probably wrote a book every so often. Yeah, well they they published it The Free Press is the name of the book from B-E-L-L-O-C 1890. This is probably available on Amazon. It's on Gutenberg. You can get it off of... Oh, it's on Gutenberg. Just get the Gutenberg thing and download it to your Kindle. Yep. And the book cites examples that are now little known, which is probably... Yeah, everything gets forgotten. We have to remind ourselves of some of the stuff we've come up with. Yeah, we do. So I got the book. Of course, we've been still unpacking boxes and, you know, setting up a shop here in the hideout. But it's on my reading list. So we'll get to it.

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1:38:12 69! 69! I'm telling you, everyone's like, yeah, this is exactly, exactly the nightmare that I had about the donation segment is we'll tell everyone, hey man, we gotta shorten this up and everyone's just like, oh well screw it then, I'm not gonna donate. Oh 69, that's annoyingly long. Boom, done. Thanks John, here we go, great. Sir John you said you didn't care sir John Turata in Pasadena, California 69 season I cheer up Adam and John is very contrary when I listen to him on DHM plug give karma to yourselves. Yeah You've got karma exactly what I was afraid of and Andrew Wargo and Wynton, Maine 69 669 69

1:38:56 Andy the Ancap Windermane, greeting from Gitmo Nation, landlocked salmon. I've been a boner, or a bonner he says, since the summer of 2011, so please give me a douchebag. I heard a listener donate from the town next to mine, so I took it as a sign to donate to the best podcast in the universe. That's pretty cool. He's next door to me! You should do a meetup! Big meet up in Maine. Here we are, let's have a pizza. He's next door but you can't get there from here. Value for value is the way of the future. Maybe, maybe not. Alright, he needs some job karma. Alright, we'll give that to him. And that wraps up... We've got karma. That wraps up our segment. 69! 69, dudes!

1:39:44 Chad addin in Clarendon Hills, Illinois double nickels on the dime need some job karma So I can provide for my wife and five month old human resource keeping it short right on here's your karma. Hope it happens. You've got karma Christopher Walker 55 10 Chris Ruddy 55 10. I was Chris Walker. I see you confused. Oh Chris. No Christopher Walker then Chris Ruddy sir Chris wet wooden this makes this is actually makes it's weird that we'd have all these Chris's like on this spreadsheet like this and I that there was three of them mm-hmm a Chris Whitten in Millboro Virginia just says value for value private Huff in New Jersey 5492

1:40:43 The amount is $54.92 because 33.33 times 33.33, 33 to the 333, to the 333 power, no it's to the power. So 3.33 to the power of 3.33 is $54.92. Long time boner douchebag, I haven't donated since special episode 200, though I did miss about 200 episodes because I swore off politics. What's that? We don't do politics. For the benefit of my sanity, sadly the last election cycle sucked me back into your world of pipelines, drones, mac and cheese.

1:41:24 I can't believe Adam brought up Rex. I can also not believe at the very same moment he did so, I was making some changes to a Rex script at work! Wait a minute, what fabulous fortune 500 company is running on Rex? IBM. I'm a senior programmer at a large financial processing firm. Such a shocking mind-blowing coincidence could only be a sign from the flying spaghetti monster. Which yes, indeed, the Pastafarian religion people have put people. I got several of these notes here. It always starts off like this. I can't believe.

1:42:03 I was surprised you didn't know about Pastafarianism. I think we've discussed it on the show. Spaghetti Monster had to be it. Yeah. He needs a de-douching karma shot with a splash of a little gore. Yay. You've been de-douched. Yay! You've got karma. Fernando Yanez and Arcadia, California, 50. Like some new job karma? I have a recommendation which you should send to noagendafeedback, n-a-feedback at outlook.com.

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1:44:24 So I got a note from one of our producers. Do you remember the guy who said he wanted Job Karma for the Hacienda? Yeah, that place that he's fixing up in Mexico or someplace. Yeah, but the Hacienda is... so here's... I looked up his note. Hola Carlos and Something I can't something the spreadsheet mangled that name greetings from the Yucatan today is my 10-year wedding anniversary feel guilty about a weekend So here's 50 bucks. We give me a deducing some work karma for Hacienda xixim.com Thanks from Jeremy Falk and I got a number of people who said oh my god The guy who owns that Hacienda is Robert Gao Robert Gao was pretty much the the inventor of skull and bones

1:45:13 So he ran George... You mean the inventor of Skull and Bones? Is that a game? No, but... no. He was a huge Skull and Bones guy with George W. Bush. Oh, you're talking about the club. The club, exactly. He also ran Bush's phony oil company. What was it? Zapata? Zapata. Zapata. So people are saying, hey, what is that? And I'm saying, If the New World Order is donating, you guys are a bunch of cheap bastards. Really pissing me off. This is really not okay.

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1:47:44 From Toronto, Ontario, thank you so much for your support of the Noah Jenner Show, the best podcast in the universe. And I shall knight you as requested, sir, sizzle out of Gitmo Barney back bacon. Welcome to the Noah Jenner Roundtable. You know what's here for you. We have the following lined up. Hookers and Blow, Renfroys and Chardonnay, Hot Pants and Booze, Wenches and Beer, Rubenes, Woman and Rose, Geishas and Sake, Vodka and Vanilla, Bong Hits and Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, and of course, the illustrious Mutton and Mead. And remember, I think we should add to the mix now...

1:48:36 There you go. Well, please want to make it cheap you get the craft stuff stuff. I'm a Velveeta I think I would any the Velveeta. Oh, why would anybody feed their kids that stuff? I've actually made mac and cheese for the kids, but I make a gourmet version with a very high-end cheddar some fresh cream some Spices some maybe a touch of nut makes him pop pepper and salt and an expensive Italian pasta And when's the last time you went to the PO box? Oh Oh, well I meant to go to the PO box. Unfortunately, I go there on Saturday to get the old mail, right? Well, when's that? That's not... The question was a little simpler than that. I go twice a week. Twice a week? Yeah. Oh, we've got someone complaining.

1:49:19 Yeah, I go there on Saturday and someone has stuffed a box into the PO box that's bigger than the box and I can't pull it out. So I have to go now later in the week and wait in a miserable line. This particular post office always has this huge line and even if there's three people there, I'll be there an hour. So don't expect anything from the PO box for a few days. Wow. I wonder what it is. I was thinking of opening this package up from the outs, you know, just opening and crushing the box and pulling it out. But I figure it could be beer or something like that and then the beer would be all over the fucking place. It would be a disaster. So isn't the whole point of having a PO box is that this doesn't happen? That then the Postal Service... Yeah, I don't know what idiot at the Post Office shoved this box in there. It's like a giant cork. It has clogged the box. Well, that makes no sense. No, it makes no sense at all.

1:50:15 And I didn't want it to say fragile all over because I could see the end of the box so I couldn't push it back out. Even better. I would have pushed it back out onto the floor, but with the words fragile on the box, what am I supposed to do? So I have to wait. What are they complaining about? Tell them to send me a note. I'll figure out what it is. I got here's a clip here's a clip you got so there's three I'm watching some of this VH1 some of these crazy like ants you're watching VH1 now I mean if you're not wait a minute wait a minute you're watching bacon shows it was a mistake okay I did get this good clip this is some musicians telling it telling their story how important their work is some jazz musicians and the clip is called the vortex okay oh

1:51:05 For some reason now. What just happened? Wow. The clip just literally disappeared. Hold on. What the hell just happened? It's in all caps. Yeah, I know, I know, but I tried to drag it into the system and oh, here we go. We are three shamans on stage offering up a vortex to all the people out there and we're bridging the gap Between the spiritual plane and the physical plane and if you want to join us, that's great And if not, that's fine, too We're gonna do it anyway and the reason it works is because the vortex is the same in all people And when we go to it inside of ourselves if the listener goes to it inside of themself, we're in the same place What is the point of this?

1:51:52 I would like to know myself! What are these guys? What is this? These are musicians explaining their art. Do you somehow think that the second half of the show is just meant to play bullshit? Yeah! I mean, it's okay. It seems like a great place for you to mock me, but I'm not so sure that you can just play crap. I'm not mocking you. Are you talking about the vortex coming up? I think your vortex is no good. It's no good. Attention all human resources. Now entering second half of show. Now entering second half of show. Our fifth story out front, asteroid apocalypse again? There you go. That's it. Second half of the show. That was it? Didn't we just do this? Yeah, asteroid apocalypse, apocalypse again. That's all I got. We having another asteroid come through? Yeah, it's just non-stop. No, no, actually good news.

1:52:57 Officials in Texas announced Thursday state troopers are no longer allowed to open fire on suspects from helicopters. They are banning the shooting at people from choppers? Immigrants, yes. Apparently they've been shooting at immigrants from helicopters. I'm sorry, undocumented Americans. I'm sorry. I love it. I didn't know this was happening. I didn't know that was happening either. I thought they'd only went on wolf hunts in Alaska. I think that's great and they can be had they complain about Sarah Palin. Come on. They're shooting at people.

1:53:37 I have a segment. Anchorman drunk or not drunk? It's man, so it can't be Diane Sawyer because that would be drunk. But this is Anchorman Drunk or Not Drunk on the NO Agenda Show. NASA and Johns Hopkins University released a new color image of our solar system's hottest planet. Here's a look at Mercury in color. NASA and Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Department released this false color image of the planet, but this is not what Mercury would look like to the naked eye. Instead, astronomers say it illustrates the many different chemicals and minerals that make up this scorchingly hot planet.

1:54:24 I'll say not drunk, just dyslexic. You think he said a stromaner's because he's not drunk and John's Hopskins? Hopskins, dyslexic. He said twice. And then at the end of the guy's report came on, the guy's name's Mark, he says, thanks for the report, Marks. I like that. I think we should have more... If TV news was like that all the time, I'd be watching. Because you know, astronomers. Because then it wouldn't be actually, you know, like entertaining. No, no, instead, you know, this is the kind of news reporting that we get. I think everything has come to a standstill here. Your batteries are dead. No, I don't think it's the... well, maybe it is the battery. What is... no?

1:55:10 And new research reveals diet soda may also play a role in the risk for type 2 diabetes. It's data from 66,000 women who showed that both diet and sugar sweetened sodas were linked to a higher rate of diabetes. But diet drinkers had the highest chance of developing the condition. Experts say these findings don't mean diet drinks cause diabetes, but they may suggest those who are prone to it tend to consume more low-calorie drinks. The study is published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. I love that story. What really aspartame is not good for you? Is that is that the essence of the story and people like wow man? I had no idea Diet drinks are not good for you. Oh, no, so you sent me You sent me a link which I think one of our human resources sent in about this letter that veterans are receiving now and

1:56:09 Oh, I didn't send you. I don't have a link. Yeah, I did. Right. Yeah, the veterans are getting, they're determining that most veterans coming back from Afghanistan or anywhere, Iraq or whatever, they shouldn't, they shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. So here's the notice that it's unclear how many, but it could be thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of veterans are receiving. So here's a copy of one Department of Veteran Affairs. We've received in front so it's personally addressed we've received information showing that because of your disabilities you may need help in handling your Department of Veteran Affairs benefits this letter explains the evidence we received what you must do with this information the impact on you and your VA payments if we decide that you cannot handle your benefits and When the Veteran Affairs will make a final decision So this can be so first of all

1:57:05 What information did we receive? We received a report from the Portland VA Medical Center on December 3, 2012. This evidence indicates that you are not able to handle your VA benefit payments because of a physical or mental condition. I mean this whole letter is so disturbing when someone, it's like, it's a form letter obviously and you're getting it because someone ratted on you and it's either physical or mental, it's not even specified. You can file a complaint within 60 days but you have to get your information within 30 days and you have to bring your own witness and they won't pay for anything. But then all of a sudden it says, let me see, where is it?

1:57:51 under what happens if you are rated incompetent, so that could be mental or physical. If VA decides that you are incompetent to handle your benefit payments, VA may appoint a fiduciary to manage your payments. All your payments will be made directly to your fiduciary. This person or institution must use your VA payments for your personal care as responsible to VA for how the payments are used. And then a determination of incompetency will prohibit you. from purchasing, possessing, receiving or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. So, so they're basically this is a form letter that is disarming veterans regardless whether you whether your condition is mental or physical and you're not allowed to look at you can't think you could even watch CIS on TV.

1:58:51 Well, apparently even if you go into the VA and say, you know, I'm pretty depressed or you have if you have post-traumatic stress. Well, that's not what it says. It says if no, that's what that is just saying. This is how the letter gets generated. Yeah. According to the news reports. So you don't normally you just don't get this letter unless you've showed up somewhere and said, you know, felt pretty bad last week, you know, you could no job. Oh, crap. Send him a letter. Yeah. But the letter says mental or physical. Yeah. Mental. Or physical. Yeah. So maybe you show a limp. You got your baby. You had okay. It's my back hurts your back. Yeah, anything. Yeah. So anything then he gets the letter, right? Yeah, because because why would you send everyone the letter? Why take a chance? You don't want crazy people having guns. Do you you don't want you're the you're the part of this operation you go? Hey, how come you didn't send him the letter the guy shot up a school. Mm-hmm. So no

1:59:47 Everyone gets a letter you you do anything you say you say boo letter Letter yeah, I know they would love to disarm the entire US public this way by the way Well, they're on their way figured it out. Yeah, they're on their way on their way a little recap we talked about The actually that was we got kudos for talking about our Adam Lanza Anders Breivik Connection or non connection so a lot of people said that we were incorrect about the reloading of Weapons in games. I think I know I'm not I don't think you're a gamer. Are you John? You're not a gamer I used to play doom doom right on DOS

2:00:31 I played Doom on DOS. Same thing. And we had a server at the office. I watched the kids play now. Jay is a big fan of the French game Assassin's Creed. And JC pretty much keeps up with all the important games. So should we be doing this? Are we missing out? Is there something wrong? How much time do you have on your hands? You're complaining to me about getting clips of the Vortex guys. Well, I think you can do some, you got time to do some gaming. Why don't you do a little gaming and a little less Vortex clips? Or get a clip from the game. Because if we had been gaming, we would have known the following. Here's Andrew Richter says, I'm a bit late on this one, but want to drop a note about reloading in video games.

2:01:16 The comment in that clip is accurate. Popular shooter games have been dumbed down to an extreme. The ammo is no longer kept in magazines. You have what is essentially a big bag of bullets that magically appear in magazine form when your character goes through the reload animation. For example, instead of 10 or 30 round magazines, you now just have 300 bullets. So you may have 30 in the mag and 270 bullets in the bag. If you fire 5 and reload, your character removes the magazine, pops in a new one, and you'll have 30 in the mag, 265 in the bag. So I think that actually says that the comment is still incorrect. Because if this is what Lanza was thinking and he was reloading before his magazine was empty, then this is not the culture of a mass murderer.

2:02:08 Yeah, who's a gamer. But the other thing is, you're gonna weigh yourself down with a whole slew of magazines and you take two or three shots, pull one out, throw it away and put a new one in? It doesn't make any sense. I got another note. Remember this guy is supposed to have some sensory issues that kids couldn't touch him at school and couldn't... Well, how does that work when you're shooting a gun? How does that work? So all of a sudden your sensory problems are gone? You don't, it's not like, guns are loud. I mean, this is not a problem for him? Anyway, we had a previous clip even before that with Aaron Burnett talking about Grand Theft Auto teaching you how to kill hookers. Remember that clip? Yeah. So I got some really good feedback from Adam in Pittsburgh. He says, first of all, the woman who made the comment about getting points for killing hookers in Grand Theft Auto needs a little bit of explanation. You don't get points for killing hookers.

2:03:06 You actually have to spend your hard-earned money gleaned from running drugs and executing hits on people to get a handjob, blowjob, or the full service from the hooker. Then, since you need to take the hooker to a dark alley to bang her so the cops don't see you, a smart gamer will always get out of the car after the hooker gets out and using a knife or a baseball bat will kill the hooker so you can get your money back. And as a bonus any other money she might have gotten from tricks that she turned that night, so it's not true that you know I thought I Was on yeah, it sounds right this sounds right. I mean that sounds like it's right. You don't you don't just kill the hooker

2:03:52 Or Burnett gets her. She needs new writers. I'm sure she doesn't even know what Grand Theft Auto is. Another gig we're not going to get. So tonight we have the big celebration, the big Illuminati fest of The entertainment industrial complex and yeah, and again tonight. We'll have two movies on deck we have of course the the historical Historically accurate Lincoln where Lincoln's all about the 13th Amendment, he freed the slaves and stopped the war and everything was beautiful and that's all he did. He wasn't gay or depressed or any of the things that we actually have read in the historical record. No, no, no. Fantastic. Steven Spielberg sending this DVD to middle schools all across the country so they can learn the truth

2:04:43 about the Civil War and about Lincoln. And then of course more modern we have Ben Affleck, his directorial celebratory piece of work, Argo, another fantastically accurate piece, although not exactly according to former President Jimmy Carter. The only thing I would say was that 90% of the contributions to the ideas and the consummation of the plan was Canadian. and the movie gives almost full credit to the American CIA and with that exception the movie is very good but Ben Affleck's character in the film was only he was only in Tehran a day and a half and the main hero in my opinion was Ken Taylor who was a Canadian ambassador who orchestrated the entire process so I saw the movie so he screwed the Canadians again yeah again screw you Canucks

2:05:42 I mean, but not just a little bit. I mean, Ken Taylor, it never was his idea. It was John Goodman, you know, all these brilliant guys and Ben Affleck. And they were making fake Hollywood movies and they were genius. But it turns out it was the ambassador who, by the way, of course, was the hero because he hit all these people in his house. I remember when that happened and I was and it was annoying because nobody would help us except for the Canadians and then the Canadians actually risks a lot to get the Americans out and kind of save them was well known it was actually reported that way in the media but over time screw the Canadians let's just take all the credit ourselves that's our boys in the CIA that's right well yes exactly well and of course Ben Affleck

2:06:30 You know, he's one of those guys that gives... doesn't he have a piece of the African action somewhere? Oh, Congo? I think he's Congo. Yeah, he could be Congo. So he actually works probably for the CIA. No, he works State Department. No, State Department. If the Academy snubbed him, they wouldn't give him directorial credit at all. Oh, how much we know! Interesting. You know more than I expected. And I think that's probably the reason because of the You know, there are Canadians in the lots of them as a matter of fact in the Academy. So really they all notice this. This is bullcrap. Well, you know that foreign actors a real problem for for actors who are on an O1 or any other type of work visa.

2:07:18 Because there's so much extra paperwork and hassle with a foreign actor. So when they're filming in Vancouver this becomes a problem? No, no. Obviously not. But when you hire them in the United States, You have to go through all kinds of legal hassles and have to bring... So essentially, when Miss Mickey was doing auditions in Los Angeles, all the time it was like, yeah, that's great, but you know, it's like so much hassle, we had to bring in lawyers to hire you and like, why bother? We got J-Lo. Yeah, well, it's paperwork. This whole country is inundated with paperwork. Yeah, we're like Russia. Probably more like Italy in the golden era of bureaucracies.

2:08:07 But yeah, no, that's what everyone complains about. Somebody did a report on how many regulations are being written up a month and it's in the thousands or maybe it's on a daily basis. It's just like ridiculous and nobody knows what these are and you're always in violations like the Soviet Union. You're right, Russia. Because you're always in violation even though you don't know it I mean the whole key to success in Russia during the Soviet era Was that you're all with you whatever you did you could have been thrown in jail because you were breaking some law whether you knew it or not right and in fact even when I visited the Soviet Union when it was still the Soviet Union and To even get into the country you had to break the law because at the airport there they have these carts and

2:08:47 That were outside, they're actually, you had to get the cart to move your luggage. When was this? What year was this? Because I've also been to the Soviet Union before David Hasselhoff brought down the wall. Yeah, it was about a year before the wall collapsed. What year were you there? No, not the wall. It was a year before the Soviet Union. I think it was like 89? So I was there in 88. Okay. Well anyway, to get these carts you had to use a ruble. All right, which means you had to have a ruble which you couldn't take out of the country which means you were coming back into the country with a ruble which means you were violating the law. You violate, yeah exactly. So to get into, you had to violate the law. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like it's just the whole thing was set up, it was rigged so you were always in violation of the law and I've always thought that was a kind of a

2:09:35 genius idea so every citizen could be arrested at the drop of a hat and you could just dig around figure something out and you know he violated some law and that's pretty much what we've got now. I remember when we left on the Moscow Music Peace Festival and we were told specifically do not take any Russian currency with you if they for some reason decide to frisk you or search you at the airport and they find you with the rubles they can throw you in jail. So of course we all took rubles. I mean obviously, I listened to that. Hey, here's an idea for after the show today John. Wolfenstein 3D. Wolfenstein 3D? Yeah, don't you remember? Yeah. That was right after kind of Doom. Right. Castle Wolfenstein. Castle Wolfenstein, from the makers of Doom. This is our level of gaming. Yeah. Yeah, can't wait. Gamers for the younger generation, they can play them games.

2:10:36 So of course with the big sequestration and all this, which by the way I'm pretty sure that the president and the Congress could at any time just say, you know what, we're not going to do this stupid thing. Am I nuts or can we, I mean have we just been trained into this, oh Armageddon's happening in five more days, can they all just get together and have a meeting and go, okay we're not going to do this, right? They could do that anytime, right? So the entire process, including the president, they're all terrorized. They are terrorists. They are adherents to Al Qaeda. They are terrorizing the American public. Yeah, they should be droned. So Pete Pistole there of the TSA is talking to Brolf. Did you see this video of the three-year-old girl in the wheelchair? No.

2:11:28 You haven't said oh, this is you've you must let you gotta just you can use the Googles but to this girl has Spina bifida, which is a horrible disease and she's and she's going to Disneyland and she's in her wheelchair And of course, you know, she comes to the airport. The TSA is like you got to get out of the wheelchair We're gonna Pat you down little slave lit here. Give me that stuffed doll. I'm putting it through the scanner. Oh It's a good and the kids terrible little girl. Yes, and the kid three years old and st Louis International Lambert and the kids crying and then the mom is videotaping this on her iPhone TSA you're the legal to videotape us slave which is not that's a lie

2:12:14 And so of course, you know, then blogger Bob of the TSA, you know, everyone's like backpedaling. These guys are, I'm sorry, I mean this whole, the sequestration is great. I hope the entire, I hope no one can fly. I hope the whole TSA is put on furlough, which is the perfect term by the way. Furlough, it's fine. Furlough used to be used for prisoners, okay? So you people, you TSA people, you are prisoners of the state. You're evil. You're trained to be evil. I'm so sorry for you. I feel really, really bad for you. This fucking jobs program that you're put on. We all should just face it. Nations broke and now we're all servicing each other with stupid, stupid jobs and you're just terrorizing children. And here's your boss apologizing for you, slave. Your reaction to this widely publicized incident this week, a little three-year-old girl in a wheelchair with spina bifida. She was stopped with her mother going through security and it's been seen widely on YouTube. I think there have been hundreds of thousands

2:13:15 of hits over there. You see this little girl crying. You've looked into this I'm sure. What happened? Because it causes so much bad publicity for TSA administrators and officials. Oh well, Brolf, let me tell you. We love terrorizing little kids. Spine a biffin in my ass. Cry sleeve! Well, let me start by saying that as a father of two daughters, I empathize with this family and regret and I'm sorry for the inaccurate information that we provided to that family as they went through the airport security. So given that,

2:13:55 We have actually made a number of changes. Oh, a number of changes. Particularly over the last year, year and a half. Do you hear how he does this? He's good by the way. We've made a number of changes over the past year, year and a half, which actually includes People over 75 I think and under 12 don't have to go through this ordeal But they're still doing it. This is the entire point of the inconsistency of this system away from that one-size-fits-all security and Actually change the policies for children 12 and under and the elderly 75 and older so situations like this

2:14:33 would not occur and so in this instance after several minutes of having a supervisor come in and what we call the passenger support specialist. There you go that's what I wanted to hear. So next time you opt out I think we all should ask for our passenger support specialist. Do you think there's one at every TSA station John or every airport or Well, could be none. It could be bullcrap. Because I tried to find out what this is and it was not well, yes, listen. The officer's trying to... PSS. PSS. I'd like to see the PSS. Hold on, let's see. Passenger Support Specialist. What is this? Passenger Support Specialist. You see, I really couldn't find this.

2:15:31 It's full of crap. I mean this there's no the lie. There's nothing on the TSA blog about this They have they have a passenger advocate. Okay, it's like the ombudsman different. Well, they well, they're calling it the passenger support specialist in every Everything I could find anyway, let's continue Lucy was not Given a pat-down Went through the alternate screening that we had set up for situations like this and then they were able to go on their vacation and and then return in a timely manner so what bothers me about this is with that wolf blitzer and

2:16:12 It's just like not critical. It's like, oh, okay, good job. Yeah, great. I totally buy your explanation there. You didn't terrorize the child. It's not a fact that every single TSA employee understands the rules differently. There are even different rules. There are some airports where they say you can't film, even though you can. They have signs. Yeah, then they have this, if you were born before 1928, keep your jacket on. Oh, thanks. I guess the question is, you know, why every few weeks we see an incident like this? I know it must be very frustrating to you as well. I mean, is that a journalist? Wow, he's supporting them. Yes. He's like, well, we know there's been a robbery every two, you know, every couple of weeks and I hope it's not too inconvenient.

2:17:02 Yeah, so since we've changed the policy again for the children 12 and under and also the 75 and older, we've at least anecdotally, I've heard fewer and fewer complaints. You know, we do screen as folks know a number of people between 1.7 and 1. million people every day. Is that an unbelievable number or what? 1.7 million slaves touched and groped and scanned and beamed every day. Nearly 450 airports. We strive obviously to provide the most effective security, but also to do that in the most professional way. And usually we hit the mark in that, but sometimes we don't. And when we make mistakes,

2:17:45 We apologized, the Federal Security Director of St. Louis spoke with the father, apologized, and then we tried to make sure that if we need to do retraining, if we need to refocus our efforts in that regard, then that's exactly what we do. Now, what can we do? Can we turn this into a promotion? Yeah, I think we can. As somebody who travels a lot around the world, I'm talking about me. Well, because, you know, I visit the Pope, I visit presidents, queens, kings, I travel around the world, I'm Brolf Whistler. What do you think the answer is going to be? We need to do something about that. Well, because obviously the shoe bomber, which came out of the Paris operation, who probably didn't take over shoes there, is now going to be leaving from the United States. Yeah, he won't leave from anywhere else. This is so true. You fly from Amsterdam, which is where the underwear bomber originated from. You can keep your shoes on. You can go through the magnetometer.

2:17:02 Yeah, so since we've changed the policy again for the children 12 and under and also the 75 and older, we've at least anecdotally, I've heard fewer and fewer complaints. You know, we do screen as folks know a number of people between 1.7 and 1. million people every day. Is that an unbelievable number or what? 1.7 million slaves touched and groped and scanned and beamed every day. Nearly 450 airports. We strive obviously to provide the most effective security, but also to do that in the most professional way. And usually we hit the mark in that, but sometimes we don't. And when we make mistakes,

2:17:45 We apologized, the Federal Security Director of St. Louis spoke with the father, apologized, and then we tried to make sure that if we need to do retraining, if we need to refocus our efforts in that regard, then that's exactly what we do. Now, what can we do? Can we turn this into a promotion? Yeah, I think we can. As somebody who travels a lot around the world, I'm talking about me. Well, because, you know, I visit the Pope, I visit presidents, queens, kings, I travel around the world, I'm Brolf Whistler. What do you think the answer is going to be? We need to do something about that. Well, because obviously the shoe bomber, which came out of the Paris operation, who probably didn't take over shoes there, is now going to be leaving from the United States. Yeah, he won't leave from anywhere else. This is so true. You fly from Amsterdam, which is where the underwear bomber originated from. You can keep your shoes on. You can go through the magnetometer.

2:19:01 You don't have to blow up the plane. You've been successful. We don't want you blowing up the plane leaving the country. It's an insurance policy. Of course it all dates back to December of 2001 with Richard Reed the shoe bomber. So it's a policy decision here in the US, but as we... Policy decision. Oh, it's not really about security. It's a policy decision. Thank you for clearing that up. Traveler population we actually expect approximately 45 to 50 million people this year to be able to keep their shoes on As they go through security screening working with the European Union to have consistency and harmonization in many regards. We're also working with technology manufacturers

2:19:43 to ensure the best possible detection capabilities for shoes. Shoe detection technology, John. Shoe detection technology. Efforts that are ongoing to try to facilitate that. But the best way people can have the highest assurance they'll be able to keep their shoes on is to sign up for a trusted traveler program, Customs and Border Protection's Global Entry Program. You submit an application online, you go in for an interview, it's $100 for five years, or $20 a year, it's one of those good bargains that the US government still offers. And so it's something that we encourage anybody who flies with any frequency, whether just domestically or clearly internationally, to sign up for Customs and Border Protection's Global Entry Program. That is a great deal, that's a great, so we took the terrorization

2:20:34 total terrorist actions against a three-year-old child in a wheelchair and we've turned it into a promotion for the TSA's pre-check global entry program. It's just amazing to me. Amazing. Good work. Yeah. Brolf. What have you learned, Brolf? Nothing. What is this Gilmore Gang clip you've got here? Oh, that's for you later. Don't worry. Okay. Unless you want to bore the audience. No, no, I don't want to bore. It's funny because I happened to watch an episode yesterday. It's probably the same one. So here's a... just play this little... because there's a little meme in here that I think is great.

2:21:13 This is apparently over the 60 minutes over the weekend they had some guy and they're just jumping all over him because he thinks that this whole panda thing because the Chinese have eliminated the where the pandas could actually live in the wild and he believes that this all the you know multi tens and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on saving the panda is just creating a zoo animal that's all we're ever gonna see of this thing because it's like can't But he has a little thing at the end, a little punchline that kind of I think is it's almost like a show title worthy. Up to 200 species going extinct every day. He says it makes no sense to spend so much money trying to save just one. I don't want the panda to be extinct. I don't want anything to be extinct on my watch.

2:21:56 But ultimately, let's not waste vast amounts of money trying to prevent it when we could use that money far more efficiently, far more optimally, somewhere else. What about the argument that if you take the panda out of the equation, if the panda's not the symbol on the masthead, nobody gives money? I think that if they took the panda off the letterhead, other animals would fill that void pretty quickly and very sadly, they could replace that with a tiger cub and People would would give generously one thing people might say is who are you to play God? Who are you to decide that we shouldn't save the panda who are they to play God they pick the cute cuddly one? Why don't they pick a snail or a caterpillar or a fly? Playing God playing survival of the cutest in my books. I'm gonna slug

2:22:45 Survival of the cutest. I love that. That's very good because that's it. That's that is every reality show on television right there survival of the cutest Yeah, that makes total so well, you know the the WWF was started by Prince Bernard of the Netherlands Is seen as a front group for the New World Order? interesting that a Chinese Symbol is essentially used as their symbol. He's also the founder of the Bilderberg Group and It's an interesting coincidence here because the WWE used to be the or the WWF used to

2:23:22 used to be the World Wrestling Federation and they created a sub-cult within the organization called New World Order. Seriously, and when they did this they got sued by WWF to change their WWF to WWE and they won. Yeah, because they're like, hey we got the lock on this New World Order thing man, what do you think we're doing here? Alright, you know we created this whole front, now you're gonna take that? I don't think so. That makes sense. I like that. That's a good one. So the final thing that really, really just got my goat, and I'm sure you heard about this. So how long have I been following Haiti? Since the day the earthquake, the day after the earthquake, or the day the earthquake happened.

2:24:12 We've been following the money. I just I need to reiterate one more time that we had huge benefits. Clooney, Clinton, we had Bush and all television. Here we had this. We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water. Just send your cash. Billions of dollars, billions, billions of dollars collected Only several hundred million got through. It's all been you know, the army to the Navy took money for the having their aircraft carrier all these NGOs just keeping white people employed all this bullcrap Just everyone taking money Everyone on on the take they tried to put in a musician as the president. He got cocky They took his bandmate put him in then, you know, the Clintons got a hotel. They're opening up the iron market. Ooh

2:25:03 They're literally living it up in hotels in Haiti and still hundreds of thousands of people are eating mud cakes in tents, not a dime being spent on these people. And then the UN comes in and the Nepal Blue Helmets brought in cholera, cholera. And so hundreds of thousands of people got caught. I think it was like 215,000 Haitians were treated for cholera. About 8 or 9,000 died because they pooped their guts out. Thanks. Hey, thanks UN. And now the UN is saying, well, that's all fine and dandy, but you can't actually put the blame on us. We're not assuming any responsibility.

2:25:54 Screw you, screw you, you pooping Haitians. They do deny it but not plausibly. They appointed a panel of four experts. Those experts presented pretty substantial evidence that the UN was responsible. The UN still refused to take responsibility but since then two of their experts have said that they now think the UN is responsible. UN Special Representative to Haiti Bill Clinton said that the UN was the quote the proximate cause of the cholera in Haiti. But really what the UN is doing is saying you can't sue us. We will not give you your day in court so we don't really need to defend ourselves on the merits. The UN is

2:26:35 by its mission trying to establish the rule of law and certainly no one in Haiti will take the UN's sermons on the rule of law credibly when the UN itself is refusing to obey the law. And it's not just in Haiti, this is something that is a challenge for the UN throughout the world. I first got to Haiti as a UN human rights officer and I know that one of the things we try to do is to convince people to put their personal interests aside and to let the law work things out. And the UN's blatant failure to do that in this situation is subversive of all the UN's work throughout the world. Alright, screw you Haiti! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Poupon! That's amazing and you know and so the big conversation I heard our National Treasure NPR, oh you know for some reason I keep catching this shit it's called the Barbershop? You ever heard this show? No I never heard of the show ever. Oh

2:27:33 So they get like a whole bunch of douchebags on Skype or some crappy phone connection and they talk about topics. It's this whole... The idea of the five or the what? You know, it's like everyone's trying to do it now analysis. But but the problem with all these experts and pundits is they all have something to promote, you see. And that's why it's not interesting because, you know, they're always promoting their agenda, which is why we're so awesome, because we have no agenda. We got nothing. We got nothing to promote. We got nothing. We are like the Haitians, except we're not quite pooping out cholera. Yeah, they happen. Yeah. But it could happen at any moment.

2:28:11 And they just you know just talk and talk and like well, you know The UN won't go and help anybody if you know, they can get sued and then you know, oh, you know, they're apologists Just yeah, but just get rid of the whole UN thing then You know, the act like the UN all of a sudden is its own super duper great NGO entity, which of course it is, but you know, whatever happened to the idea that it was the United Nations and hands across the America and we are the world and we're going to go help people? No. You know, it's like these Nepalese guys, you know how much they got paid four times their normal salary.

2:28:49 the Nepalese military who put on the blue helmets. They didn't care. This is a bonanza when this happens. And you know where that money came from? From your $10 that you texted, you stupid slave. Well, we called it right away and followed the pattern in a disgusting way. And George Clooney, you should be ashamed of yourself, George Clooney. Ashamed. Just ashamed. We talked about Clooney's look of guilt when that one guy called him out on one of those things. Yeah, he was like, oh no, man, don't highlight me, brother. They forced me. Yeah, I'm sure they did actually. Of course they made him do it. Meanwhile, the coincidence could not be any greater in the Washington... What's the big newspaper? Is it the Post? Yeah, the Washington Post. I have here Friday, February 22nd. I have a scan of it. It's in the show notes. Hold on, I'm going to... Here we go. Notice of dissolution.

2:29:54 of the Clinton Bush Haiti fund to the creditors of and the claimants against the Clinton Bush Haiti fund. Notice is hereby given by the Clinton Bush Haiti fund in parentheses the company which was dissolved by the filing of a certificate of dissolution in the office of the Department of the State of Delaware on December 31, 2012, that all creditors of and claimants against the company are hereby required to present in writing and in detail their claims, respective accounts and demands against said company at 1501 K Street NW,

2:30:30 blah blah blah on or before the 22nd day of April 2013 or such claims accounts and demands shall be forever barred as against the property of the company and its directors dated this 15th day of February 2013. So they're just cleaning up the evidence. Nice right. Oh, yeah, great catch. That's catch of the day. Yeah. Well, that's our producers I mean, obviously I don't read the Washington Post, but that's how we roll. I've got it. I've got the scan right that was you're great. Not awesome That's a beauty and we are we surprised no on the under stunned by this these guys these guys need cash I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water just send your cash So if you got any client, you know, we should send a note. I

2:31:16 Hi, on behalf of the cholera pooping people of Haiti, we'd like our two billion dollars please. Can we just take him to court? Somebody should take him to court. Ah, please. It's a scam. One of the few countries, I will say, one of the few countries in the world that ever stood up and bought themselves out of slavery. They told the French, get the hell out. Right? Yeah, pretty much. And then the French said, well, you'll owe us. I said, okay, we'll take that, whatever. And now look where they are. Right back where they started. Yes, because they didn't play the game properly. Ah, and they should hire the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group in future. I don't think we can do anything for them. Do we need to talk about this horse meat thing, which now seems to be every country in the world is discovering they're eating horse meat?

2:32:07 No, okay, because you know they've discovered in America that when I first brought it up You nixed the whole idea that we should discuss it in the first place. That was in the UK now It's Italy now. It's everywhere now. Everyone's testing it is a trend the real the real thing that I think is gonna pop is that people are gonna discover that they're not eating the fish that's being advertised Oh, that's been going on forever. You know, people buying red snapper, which is actually tilapia. Yeah. Which is like the biggest Gitmo fish in the world. Yeah, tilapia. And the salmon, where they just throw food. Tilapia is the canola oil of fish. It's not even, I don't think it even deserves that.

2:32:50 Tilapia. They feed fish to make fish. Yeah, well it's kind of a double whammy. Yeah, but you think you're getting tuna in your favorite sushi restaurant. Think again. Well it's like the grass-fed beef scam. Oh, tell me about that. Well grass-fed beef, generally speaking, is the beef before it's sent to the You know, all beef right away usually is brought up grass-fed. So you get the thing a certain age and then you take the beef and then you send them to a finishing house, which is a place where they fatten them up with a bunch of grain and all this other stuff. So they have the grass-fed beef and then it's a wholesale item. And then it goes to the finishing house where they put a lot of money and effort into getting the thing bigger. And then they sell it that at some other price. Well, grass-fed beef should be cheaper

2:33:43 It should not be more expensive. Right, because it's not fattened up. Yeah, because they didn't fatten it up and spend a lot of money on the animal. So what you're saying is the pricing is a scam. Right, it's a scam. Yeah, the pricing's a scam, sure. Right, totally. Now if you go and, like we do, we get our grass-fed beef directly from the grower, we're paying like two bucks a pound for it. You see this stuff in the store, it's like 18, 20 bucks a pound, 25 bucks grass-fed. It's a total scam. It's unbelievable. And everyone laps it up, they lap it up, lap, lap, lap. Yeah, because they think it's great for them. Well, it is better meat, actually. Generally speaking, it's got less fat, it's got all these... it's beneficial, but it's not... it shouldn't be... it should be cheaper. Yeah. Well, I just wish that... you know, I buy my meat directly from the meat guy who processes... well, he takes it to be processed, but he grows... everything is his until the animal is killed and sliced up to bits.

2:34:46 But I wish I could find fish around here, but we really don't have that. You have to go down to the coast. You're in the middle of the... I know, I know. It's a problem. You're not in fish country. It's a problem, it's a problem. What, you just crave fish? Yeah, fish is very important and of course the fish that we're getting is from the Gulf, which is... You gotta wonder. You don't have to use any oil in your pan. You gotta wonder. Alright, big man, play us out. What do you got? You got something here, don't you? You got nothing? Okay, we got, you wanna hear your favorite guy. My favorite? Richard Clark on Hacker and State Government 1. He's off to a new gig. He's at the Governor's Conference trying to sell his consulting services, because you know Richard Clark, the ex-CIA guy, is nothing more than a genius when it comes to computer technology.

2:35:34 Mr. Clark, what do you believe is the most significant cyber security threat facing states? Governor, I think I would distinguish between the most significant threat and the most likely. So the most significant threat would be an attack by either a state government like China or Iran or a non-state actor like Hezbollah that took down the power grid or caused pipelines to blow up. or cause trains to derail. I think the emergency response that you do for those sorts of things is similar to hurricanes, but there are some distinct differences. And I think knowing what you would do and exercising it is very important. Knowing what authorities you have in those situations and knowing who the right people are and who to call them and what they will do.

2:36:38 That's the most significant threat. The most likely threat is happening every day. And that is people are hacking into your networks and writing themselves checks. And stealing you blind if you don't know it. Oh my god, he does it at the very, at the last moment of the show! It's unbelievable! Wow, I didn't think we'd have one at all! Oh my god, that's an evergreen right there. They're writing... It's full of crap, but yeah, trains are gonna be derailed. You know what he did? Pipelines are blowing up! I believe he went to the Y2K playbook. We've all forgotten about Y2K. No, no, we talked about it just the other day. No, I'm right on. I think the playbook is wide open for exploitation. And so we're gonna have trains derailed by Hezbollah using computers. John, we have a hack!

2:37:35 Come on! John, what's going on? Oh! Yeah. My goodness, yeah. And writing checks as we speak. Yeah, they're writing checks. That's the worst thing. They're in my bank account writing a check. Hey, come to my house on Monday so we can do the bills together and you can write some checks. If only! I mean I can't even transfer money from one bank to the other electronically in this country. Are you kidding me? They're writing checks. You know so this is okay. So we work for a living. You know we have taken a a we enjoy being productive people

2:38:22 I think we're contributing to society in some small insignificant pinhead way but when we are both good dead and gone I think there's enough work out there that someone for a while will say, oh yeah those guys, yeah they come and go. Jay Leno yeah yeah look well maybe we'll get a plaque somewhere so a plaque would be good insignificant spot you know and they'll say oh yes you know like like the guy there will be somewhere in the future someone will say hey like that guy in Gutenberg you know oh these guys were talking about that in 1890 and say and some kids in the future will be like oh wow remember you know the slavery thing that we're all susceptible to there were two guys you know back in the internet days remember those

2:39:10 When people were hacking into your accounts and writing checks, they were actually working trying to give people information. It's too bad too little people listen to them. So we choose that path. And then you get a guy like Richard Clark who just kicks back and just lies and talks whatever crap and makes millions of dollars selling this BS. Just the consultancy alone. Should have listened we should have gone into public office. I mean that should have we blew it That's the bonanza see we thought that back in the day you were a civil servant and you served and you know And that was really a heroic thing to do and that was fantastic and it was really great if you wanted to serve your country You know and I'll be honest. I'm like screw that you know I want to make money I want to be rich and famous and awesome and now it turns out jokes on us and

2:40:04 Because if you're the civil servant then you turn right around and you sell your consultancy to the entire industrial complex and that's how you actually become rich. Stupid. Stupid. So let this be a lesson. What you have to be in the business the cats out of the bag you were in the business you would have known yeah Well, we blew it we blew it so instead we live a life of mac and cheese and cheese Mac and cheese I'm gonna play us out with that, and I'm hoping I'm hoping I am really hoping she cheddar I'm really hoping that we could this is this is one project. We can do John. I'm thinking I

2:40:42 Maybe well, it's contain a franchise of mac and cheese. Yeah, but we need a snappy name Jesus truck depression food at its finest something like that well, we'll work on the slogans Anyway, a pleasure serving you once again my friends remember us we need your support. It's the only way we stay alive Dvorak org slash na please help us out for this coming Thursday episode of the best podcast in the universe coming to you from the Travis Heights hideout here in Austin, Texas in South Austin

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