Episode 479 · Thursday, 17 January 2013

Belieber

The White House shifts the goalposts on public petitions while the Department of Homeland Security issues an unprecedented warning against Java and Oracle.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 479

About this episode

President Obama’s 23 executive actions on gun control face scrutiny as the administration directs the Centers for Disease Control to research media and video game influence on violence. While the White House frames these measures as presidential memoranda, the erosion of doctor-patient privilege looms as healthcare providers are encouraged to report credible threats to law enforcement. The administration simultaneously raised the signature threshold for official petitions from 25,000 to 100,000, effectively distancing the executive branch from public grievances during National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month.

International tensions rise as Germany’s Central Bank announces the repatriation of $36 billion in gold bullion from New York and Paris vaults, sparking rumors of tungsten substitution. In North Africa, the French military intervention in Mali reveals deep ties to Total Oil and gas interests on the Algerian border, while Iranian-marked ammunition surfaces among regional rebels. Domestic corruption allegations surface regarding the Department of Homeland Security, which reportedly ordered ICE to delay the arrest of a sex offender interning for Senator Robert Menendez until after the 2012 election. Meanwhile, the technical community mourns Aaron Swartz as errors in NPR’s reporting of the Stop Online Piracy Act highlight a lack of journalistic rigor.

Technical anomalies define the week as the Department of Homeland Security issues a rare public warning to disable Java, citing zero-day threats and Oracle CEO Larry Ellison’s intelligence ties. The sports world reels from the Manti Te’o hoax, a failure of fact-checking at ESPN exposed by Deadspin. Dame Sydney Nussbaum joins the No Agenda Roundtable, securing the traditional perks of Chardonnay and mutton, while the program explores the tragic history of Rosemary Kennedy’s lobotomy as detailed in the David Nasaw biography Patriarch.


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CHAPTER 01 / 33 Discussion

National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month, White House Petitions

The hosts open the program by noting that January is National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month. They critique the White House's decision to raise the signature threshold for official petitions from 25,000 to 100,000, arguing that the administration never intended to act on the public's requests regardless of the volume.

slavery prevention month· human trafficking· white house petitions· online initiatives· consulting

00:00 I do the best i can on the water they give me. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday January 17th 2013 time for your Get In My Nation Media assassination episode 479er This is no agenda Which of course brings up a very interesting point. How many people had to approve

00:40 that we can now say happy National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month. I don't know, that's a good one though. Yeah well happy... And it is very appropriate! Happy National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month John! Well happy Trafficking Human Slavery Prevention month for you too! Yeah so there were so many bogative surveys or petitions coming out they had to up it to 100 thousand from 25 or whatever it was yeah What did they seriously think? It's not as though they do anything with these petitions. What difference does it make? They should have never made the assertion that they'd respond to them. No, of course not! They should have said we'll respond to select petitions

01:26 And just left it at that. No one would have complained. Well, somebody would have pointed it out and then they was in this like well too bad It's obvious they did not hire the curry Dvorak consulting group to help them with their online initiatives No, no someone else got the 18 million dollars Yep. Yeah another another contract down the drain When are we gonna wise up apparently never? Hmm I got ideas man. I got ideas. I'm thinking about stopping The Big Book Show And using that Wednesday for something else? What?! Yeah, well... It's not like the big book show. You get good information from there! You actually get them- you get out of the- Well actually don't get out of the house No! What can we think of that would get you out of the house I'm stuck in a studio still. I gotta do something else with my time to make money This is what this is what's wrong

CHAPTER 02 / 33 Discussion

Personal Real Estate Update, Potential Studio Relocation

A personal update is provided regarding a failed attempt to rent a specific house that went under contract to be sold while the applicant was in Amsterdam. The discussion touches on the frustrations of being stuck in a studio and mentions humorous, albeit "corrupt," suggestions from the listener chat room regarding new career paths.

real estate· rental application· amsterdam· studio· chat room

02:17 Well, maybe you should get out of the house. Yeah and go where? Oh by the way so we were gone so long and then on Saturday we ran to the house that we want a rent in town We put in our application Saturday night The house is under contract to be sold Oh really? That stinks. Yeah, that's a nice place yeah so now it's like We have to see if it appraises and all that you know so there's two weeks where I could still Could still be ours again? But this was like a perfect deal I negotiated for well You know three months which is month too long that was the month we were in Amsterdam. I was just pinging back and forth

03:02 And, you know so either there's a real big reason that all this happened or maybe we just got screwed. Well maybe somebody is out to get ya! You think one? What do you think he's gonna be I don't know... Hey let's listen to the guy and see where this place is And then we got you guys, the bug's still working in the... Hey Jim! Are those bugs still valid? The ones he's got in his studio. The three that we put in there? What do mean by...? Yeah they're all working. Okay well we'll figure out where their place is and then we'll go and let's just buy the place. That would be a good gag So here's our friends in the chat room. To get money, Adam have you considered male prostitution? Sucking corporate dick? Just live in a trailer? I mean people are really kind today hey thanks everybody! See that's why I don't even deal with that chat room yeah it's corrupt. Did you say it's corrupt John is that what I heard you say? It's corrupt well let me tell you uh let me start off with a little something

CHAPTER 03 / 33 Discussion

Pete Barnes Helicopter Crash, MI6 Proximity Conspiracy Debunking

A recent helicopter crash near the MI6 headquarters in London is addressed, specifically identifying the pilot as Pete Barnes. Despite public speculation of a conspiracy due to the location, the account clarifies that Barnes had a history of careless piloting and mechanical issues, concluding the crash was likely due to fog and crane wires rather than foul play.

pete barnes· helicopter crash· mi6· london· augusta 109e

04:04 that I got a lot of email about yesterday. Of course, this building is under construction It was pretty foggy wasn't it when i got here? Was it the same when you... No, it wasn't too foggy this morning When we were at half seven It's quite clear but then Half an hour to an hour Really foggy So... Foggy?! Yeah! It just went crazy event And did you see the helicopter crash Did you see it took fire? I literally looked as I heard the noise and saw the helicopter blades just go Literally go and it's quite a shock to be honest with you, I've never seen anything like it. So, I immediately got all kinds of emails from people about this incident that it was right near the MI6 headquarters. That had been shot out of the sky and... ...I have to say in this case there is no conspiracy This wasn't Augusta A-109E Power piloted by Pete Barnes who I know fairly well or I knew fairly well he's now dead And I have to say sadly

05:08 This is not unexpected to me because this is the exact hell in fact he flew my My helicopter my first one which was an Augusta 109 e power, you know back into good old days and And I and he's crashed before in. I think two When did he crash? He crashed in Augusta and lived through it broke his back and blamed it on a swashplate Which I'm not going to get into what that is, but that was always kind of a thing in the industry. It's like, yeah Pete Barnes with his swashplate and uh...I remember flying with him and he was in control and we were about to take off And there's smoke coming out of the instrument panel. I mean actual electrical fire smoke

05:59 And I'm like, hey dude there's smoke. And he's like oh that's just the transponder and he takes off and pulls it out He pulls it out and says this is just a short circuit. The control tower is saying you lost your transponder. And he's like yeah no we have malfunctioned We'll fix it on the way back because he didn't want to deal with being grounded and not be able to takeoff cause his transponder was broken But John! It was smoking It was fire in the cockpit and I never flew with him again after that. And so he was a careless pilot, I hate to say it

06:39 And I've always said that about him and it sucks now that he's dead, but there is no conspiracy. He was flying in fog... Probably not the crane itself but probably the wires. It was very hard to see and that was it so a very unfortunate or as we say in aviation business a real day wrecker Day record. Having a bad day, but so there's no conspiracy there Pete Barnes It was my age actually sad very sad But I'm telling you this guy and he was not safe so sorry

07:20 Okay, well I never thought it was a...I didn't even consider this conspiracy or crackpot theory. It just looked like to me, I mean it happens these things happen Yeah Well no What would be the point of it? Was there some banker in the plane with him that was important to the structure of things? I don't think so There's uh, I don't know people like to just come at me with everything all kinds of conspiracies and it was like sorry This is not one that there's a conspiracy but I had you know guys from who are Involved with mi5 or mi6 actually email me and say hey You know that was really close to the office am i okay? But you know Pete he flew celebrities around. That's what he did celebrity flyer Yeah

08:07 He flew for, I'm telling you he liked to fly Celebrities. Anywho... Well speaking of dead people this is a fantastic report that i heard on NPR pay close attention to your national treasure who are so incredibly great Steve Henn from the NPR talking about Aaron Schwartz and one of his many credits. Last Friday Mr. Schwartz hanged himself in his Brooklyn apartment. Is it hanged or hung? I think it's hanged Really, how come you don't say he hung himself? No but I think hung is where somebody do something else... Hanged! And I think it's hanged

08:54 Okay, all right. I was just a question and last Friday mr.. Swartz hanged himself in his Brooklyn apartment He was facing a criminal investigation attention NPR Steve Henn is covering this story good morning Steve nice Good morning for listeners who might not have heard of Aaron Swartz even if he did touch their lives Would you talk a little bit about his life sure most recently? Mr.. Schwartz helped lead the fight against sopa to stop online privacy act the bill would have given did you get it yeah? I heard it What'd he say He led the fight against SOPA. And what did he call SOPA? The Online Privacy Act. Listen to it again! Mr. Schwartz helped lead the fight against SOPA, the Stop Online Privacy Act. The Stop Online Privacy Act exactly! That's exactly what it means. Stop online privacy. This is how they think I'm telling you this is exactly how they think over there hey we got to stop online privacy

CHAPTER 04 / 33 Discussion

Aaron Swartz Death, NPR SOPA Coverage Error

The death of internet activist Aaron Swartz is discussed, focusing on a reporting error by NPR's Steve Henn. The hosts highlight how the reporter mistakenly referred to SOPA as the "Online Privacy Act" instead of the "Stop Online Piracy Act," suggesting the slip-of-the-tongue reveals the government's true intentions regarding internet freedom.

aaron swartz· sopa· npr· steve henn· online privacy act

08:07 He flew for, I'm telling you he liked to fly Celebrities. Anywho... Well speaking of dead people this is a fantastic report that i heard on NPR pay close attention to your national treasure who are so incredibly great Steve Henn from the NPR talking about Aaron Schwartz and one of his many credits. Last Friday Mr. Schwartz hanged himself in his Brooklyn apartment. Is it hanged or hung? I think it's hanged Really, how come you don't say he hung himself? No but I think hung is where somebody do something else... Hanged! And I think it's hanged

08:54 Okay, all right. I was just a question and last Friday mr.. Swartz hanged himself in his Brooklyn apartment He was facing a criminal investigation attention NPR Steve Henn is covering this story good morning Steve nice Good morning for listeners who might not have heard of Aaron Swartz even if he did touch their lives Would you talk a little bit about his life sure most recently? Mr.. Schwartz helped lead the fight against sopa to stop online privacy act the bill would have given did you get it yeah? I heard it What'd he say He led the fight against SOPA. And what did he call SOPA? The Online Privacy Act. Listen to it again! Mr. Schwartz helped lead the fight against SOPA, the Stop Online Privacy Act. The Stop Online Privacy Act exactly! That's exactly what it means. Stop online privacy. This is how they think I'm telling you this is exactly how they think over there hey we got to stop online privacy

09:52 For those of you still questioning and scratching your head, the SOPA actually stands for Stop Online Piracy Act. Stop Online Privacy Act? What a douche! That's why you are listening to this program The Best Podcast in the Universe We do it twice a week on Thursdays and Sundays from 9am Gitmo Nation West Time to whenever we're done which is like 1130 these days like two-and-a-half hours Like five hours a week When was the last time we ended at eleven thirty No, never. Never do and I got a you know there's something is it we got some we had heat John We got heat heat Did I don't know if you were copied on the original mail because I may have just answered to forgetting to CCU But you probably didn't see anyway did you get the email from Clarissa from Google? No, I didn't remember it

CHAPTER 05 / 33 Discussion

Google Plus Verification Outreach, Clarissa Stryker Investigation

The hosts review an email from Clarissa Stryker of Google's Media Partnerships team regarding the verification of the No Agenda Google Plus page. They perform a live background check on Stryker, noting her education at Georgetown University and her previous employment at ABC News, while debating the merits of being "verified" on a platform they find overly complicated.

google plus· clarissa stryker· media partnerships· verification· georgetown university

10:44 Clarissa from Google wrote you a note? Both of us. I didn't see it. Well, here it is Hi Adam and John! I wanted to introduce myself since I am on the Media Partnerships team at Google Plus And wanted to chat with you about verifying No Agenda's Google Plus page Since you have an engaged page We have an engaged page...and community which is great Oh, it's great. It's great! Everybody into the pool! Please let me know if you're available for a call sometime this week or next to chat. Look forward... I got it. I did get an note from her. I need to talk to this woman. Well so I wrote back and say hi Clarissa what does it mean when you verify the community? And does that hurt? Kind regards Adam. Does it hurt?!

11:36 And then she says, Hi Adam a community can't be verified but an active page with a certain number of followers is eligible which simply means that a check mark will show up at the top of the screen so people know it's Noah Jenna's official page. I'll need to submit the page internally for it to be approved and would love to chat with you before doing so. Why does she need to chat with me? What is this media partnership person?" Because, I'm going to get on the phone... Okay hold on, I'll tell you what the deal is and you know this that we're just asking rhetorically because you know as well as I do This a large corporation that hired a lot of people who did a lot of bullshit and they've had two

12:26 justify their job and she will put it in her log that she talked to you for hours on end and then should go to lunch I'm going come on. I'm gonna email her and say send naked picture before I want to talk You know, if I get her on the phone and say hey you kicked me off of your AdSense program go fix that before you verify me. I don't want to be verified. Well it's got nothing to do with AdSense! I mean i can put a note in...I know some people who knows something and I could put a note in but you're gonna have to talk to them. I could put a..no they must have a word for it Notation! I can put a notation in your file

13:11 On your account. Oh no This is not good Okay, I'm definitely gonna say send a naked picture. Ah she is are you free to chat today around 3 30 to 4 p.m Half an hour Fill out her form she's got it okay? What have you been doing with your time Clarissa well here's my logs And do I get a raise What do media partnerships at Google do? Well, hold on a second. Meet the AdWords team, Google Media Partnerships. They have something to do with advertisements I think as part of the partnership... I don't want a partnership anyway. Wait! Maybe she has a Google Plus page let's look at her. Ah there you go if she doesn't have a Google Plus page what's-her-name again

14:18 I like her name by the way, Clarissa Stryker. It's kind of a porn name. Sounds like a name that should be a superhero! It's a porn name...Clarissa Stryker Oh boy hey Hey now! What what? Is this her? Let me see...Clarissa Stryker on LinkedIn is this the one yeah she works Yeah! She's media outreach look at her LinkedIn thing Senior New York Partnership Manager Yeah, yeah. What do you say? She's a beauty. Uh-huh. She used to be an associate producer at ABC News. Can you get me a date with Diane Sawyer?

15:05 Drinking date. Otherwise I don't want to be verified. Oh now, I got to talk to her you want to be on the phone? You want to do it together we should work. Yeah, I'll talk to her separately. I got some other issues What do you mean well hold on a second what are you gonna do here? She's find out there's some there's something that there's some sort of a There's some sort of a scam and I'd like to figure out how it works mm-hmm on On the Google News site Whereas if you're on Google+, you get higher ratings and your little picture shows up. And I like to know how that works because i can't see the mechanism and I want to find out about it. There's one or two people that just are always at the top of the list of news stories because they're part of Google Plus, and I'd like to know what the mechanism is! I'd like to get on this bandwagon!" Well you gotta...you gotta be active! You got to be engaged

16:00 I'm engaged. No, you're not engaged. I wrote a demo a couple weeks ago. I wrote something on the Google+. By the way Clarissa, I'm looking at her Google Plus page that went to Georgetown University she's a spook! Georgetown is not all spooks. Oh please... She doesn't have the right background for one thing She's never lived outside the country. And then she went to ABC News, come on! Nah she was an associate producer that's a nothing job That's true. An AP. Look here is her whole list but hit see more you get she was a production assistant at Film Like Productions so she wanted to be in show business then she was a production assistant at CBS news and she was an associate producer at ABC News and she couldn't get any further

16:44 She booted herself into business dev at some company called Scoop Street and she went to Thrillist. I mean, this is not the fast track of a spoon! And she posts pictures of food... No, this is not even close. She's got a degree from Georgetown that's about it This is NOT good. Her profile picture has two cows with huge full udders This is very... Hang on, I see this. Where's she at? How do you get to these people? You Google Clarissa Stryker and then you click on the Google Plus thing. No, that can't be it. She's... I think she's... Okay. There it is! MKUltra Illuminati hooker Yes chatroom very good That's exactly what she is She has a lot of pictures of herself eating Yeah Really where did you see all those It's under images

17:36 There's no this is a shower down on some sort of I don't know what it is. Oh you did okay? I see what you did you did Clarissa and images instead of her plus page interesting well You can actually I think by the way This is an alternative search methodology Which is to look at the images and then see what they're linked to And read those things because those things are often very rarely show in the picture will show up But the link to this crazy site won't here she is at burger conquest Yeah, chowing down a burger. I see it and there she is with Russell Simmons She's in working hard-working native New Yorker of Swiss descent and there she is with All these women now she's there's a different one no no that's the one she's a She's a celebretti whore she sucks up to celebrities and gets them on Google Plus

18:30 That's what she does. Yeah, that's what you do! But then why did she reach out to you? That's it... Yay! Little girl yay! Very funny Or as we say L-G-Y. L-G-Y? Little Girl Yay Oh little yeah that's what you say. Yeah LG Y I'm telling ya its a big thing these days Anyway We will have to follow up so we get our valuable check mark And I think she just wants to know what the hell we're up to. Yeah, and yeah... You know once you listen to the show, I think somebody should probably go through the pages of like what is this? Well here's what I'm gonna do, I'm going to add her to my circle. Ooh!

19:21 Let me see, how do I... Oh yeah. Add to circles what shall add her to? I still don't really get this. Oh! I'm gonna add it to the no agenda circle. No you have like..I have a bunch of circles. I have friends associates people I work with people like they don't know that we might knowing and douchebags. You have a douchebag circle oh yeah cool Okay, I put on my no agenda circle. Does that mean she'll get no agenda updates now? I don't know! I have no idea how this even works. I've been trying to figure it out but it just seems like a mishmash of crazy ideas It's a little complicated Yeah, it is way too complicated That's why the one social network that I actually spend at least check out every day or two Is Twitter...it's easy You got something to say you say it. You got something to retweet you retweet and your done

CHAPTER 06 / 33 Discussion

Obama Gun Control Initiatives, Executive Actions vs Memoranda

President Obama's recent gun control proposals are analyzed, with a focus on the distinction between "executive actions" and actual executive orders. The analysis argues that the 23 items presented are largely presidential memoranda and existing authority clarifications rather than new laws, specifically critiquing Bill Clinton's lack of technical knowledge regarding high-capacity magazines.

barack obama· gun control· executive orders· presidential memoranda· second amendment

20:15 Right. You hate someone, you block them I block people left and right Yeah i know Somebody looks at me cross-eyed blocked Hey an albino! Block him! Crap albino Alright should we get right into the obvious here? Which one is the obvious? Well the obvious is that everyone thinks there's some kind of legislation coming down on guns when clearly this not a gun legislation This is a human control legislation Giving all control once again to President Obama's favorite charity the health Industry is this the whole thing is completely geared towards Controlling people through health which was already what did the health the Affordable Care Act, which isn't I had nothing do with care but affordable or ability. Yeah either he the one thank you and

21:10 And you know, there's a lot of misinformation out there that I wanted to set straight and mainly because that's what we do. You know as we read through this stuff, we read through the actual documents so first of all everyone is talking about 23 executive orders! There are zero executive orders but they're not single executive order in it. There are three presidential memorandum Da. Is it da or da? Memoranda I don't know Yeah, three of those memorandum things But you see the press got an embargoed PDF Which i have a copy of here And the... It says EMBARGOED! and they came out early in the morning When's it embargoed to No it was embargoed until the president was speaking Oh okay Right Somebody sends you an embargo thing is not embargoed to you

22:11 No, no it wasn't sent to the ruling of the rules of embargoes. I didn't get this as an um...I got this you know today after I got the what the press had as an embargoed thing right and in that it says The president is determined to do all he can within existing authorities. Today, he will announce 23 new executive actions...actions! To make progress right away but it's not like there are even 23 entries in the federal register so I will go through those but what was kind of

22:48 A tip off to me that this whole thing was a setup, was the minute our Vice President came out. You know him... Joe O'Biden and said this. Please be seated. Thank you. Before I begin today let me say to the families of the innocents who were murdered 33 days ago. Like, oh really? 33 days ago not little over a month or something and he does it again! To honor the memory of your children and your wives with uh with the work we take up here today It's been 33 days since the nation's heart was broken by I mean there is no reason for anyone to write that

23:32 Because it's written, it's not like he's saying this you know like it's off the top of his head. Which by the way comes off. Yeah I've heard that! That hurt is removable yeah so uh... So I always find it curious when the number 33 is presented right at the beginning of something because it means somethings up and something's coming and something is on its way or something's bogus but yes often when something's bogus So there's two ways we can do this. I think the easiest way is to go through the communication as it's being sent, actually as it's presented on the White House website but I will just read you very briefly the only three presidential memoranda one engaging in public health research on the causes and prevention of gun violence that's very important we'll get what that means a minute

24:28 tracing of firearms in connection with criminal investigations, and improving availability of relevant executive branch records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. So those are the only three presidential actions that have taken place if you look at all the little lines within it yeah there's probably 23 so it's really bogative there's really nothing going on and I'm not too sure what the difference is between a presidential memorandum and an order, but I don't think it's the same thing. Do you know? No! I have no idea. One was just more... one was an order like you have to do this yeah and the other one was just that this is something we've noted Yeah, its' just something you put on the fridge It's like a shopping list Just make sure you do this and do that So I'll run through these things really quickly And then I'll ask you a few questions about what you think it means

25:28 but really the meat and potatoes of it is, of course all the way at the end after we've gotten through all the gun stuff. So strengthen the background check system address unnecessary legal barriers that prevent states from reporting information about those human resources prohibited from having guns so that's building up a database you know sharing more information about people make sure dangerous people are prohibited from having guns Dangerous or untrustworthy individuals, it says should not have access to guns. That's kind of broad...untrustworthy It is useless because usually dangerous people buy guns from each other Or from Eric Holder but generally speaking they buy from each other Hey everybody! This is the Eric Holder Gun Sale Come on down and I'll make you a deal

26:25 uh... but i think the untrustworthy it's it's an interesting that choice of words had to say untrustworthy Then of course it's a you know the intent is to ban military style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines Which is just killing me how people keep saying Clips or you know there were in fact Bill Clinton was at CES. I don't if you saw if you saw his speech And he doesn't even know what he's talking about, he's hot oh He's completely out of it. He's hi listen him I grew up in this honey culture but this is not This is nuts! Why does anybody need a 30 clip, a 30 round clip for a gun? Why does anybody need one of those things that carries 100 bullets. One of those things that carries 100 bullets?! What is that thing? Who needs that thing? I don't need the thing... Some guys like to go out on the range

27:27 uh... and shoot thirty ralph what is the thing but what does that mean it carries a hundred bullets i don't know some will be able to carry things as a bucket if you could have bought this because of and now we're talking about uh... all right reinstate their and strengthen the ban on assault weapons at the call the congress to do that limit amy's ammunition magazines which is the correct term two ten rounds ten rounds that's dumb with course is not Now here's interesting, finish the job of getting armor-piercing bullets off the streets. Apparently it is already illegal to manufacture and import armor piercing ammunition except for military or law enforcement use. Of course the cops should be able to shoot right through you

CHAPTER 07 / 33 Discussion

Iranian Bullet Markings, Ammunition Importation Restrictions

A report from The New York Times regarding mysterious bullet markings on ammunition used by North African rebels is discussed, with evidence pointing toward Iranian manufacturing. The segment also covers new restrictions on the ATF's ability to authorize the importation of older military surplus weapons based on their age and potential for criminal use.

iran· ammunition· kalashnikov· atf· armor-piercing bullets

28:20 So I guess, I didn't know that was illegal. Armor-piercing... Yeah yeah I knew that okay moving down okay so take executive action to enhance tracing data now this is going to be interesting i think we're going to see some technology introduced that will you know involve RFID and maybe even biometric type stuff like you know unless you're touching the gun it won't operate. No, no I think that isn't this really about the bullets? No that's later on because i mean they have a huge there is big brouhaha going on right now worldwide of the cost of bullets about the Iranian bullets

29:03 Tell me about the revolutionary groups in North Africa and every place else are using for the Kalashnikovs. Oh, I have no idea tell me about it It was a front page story in The New York Times actually with the bullets because these bullets started showing up all over the place And nobody could figure out who made them because all the markings were just alien to any bullet manufacturer that we know of So some smart guy finally figured out they were coming out of Iran and apparently the Iranians are just pumping out bullets of

29:43 boneheads running around shooting people. They're not gonna be, hold on Bill let's go make some bullets I mean they're not going to be doing it they just buy boxes and boxes of these Iranian bullets and then the next thing you know they're mysterious but some of the bullets that were... The way they are supposed to made today is there supposed to have codes in them in the gunpowder. Right right yeah so you can trace it that way okay I'm down with that but let's just move down the list That warrants further investigation by the way, the Iranian bullet scam. So get on that. Yeah I'm actually working on it. Iran has not said yeah we're big bullet makers and so there's something fishy about it

30:30 Alright, eliminate restrictions that force ATF to authorize importation of dangerous weapons simply because of their age. So that pretty much means if you have a 50 year old weapon that is a relic or curios it has to be certified and otherwise you'll have to get rid of it Then we get effective... You can't collect a gun as a museum piece? Not if it's... What about an old blunderbuss. Not if its semi-automatic military surplus. Oh, you mean like a machine gun? Semi automatic, doesn't say full automatic. Oh well then it is okay to have a machine gun!

31:09 Which are easily convertible into machine guns or otherwise appealing for use in a crime. appealing for use in crime. Get some old machine gun and come here, or a Tommy Gun! With one of those big hundred bullet holder thingies that Bill Clinton was talking about. Yeah the round thing. Big round 100-bullet holder thing Thompson's submachine gun was the brand perfect

CHAPTER 08 / 33 Discussion

CDC Gun Violence Research, Video Game and Media Influence

The administration's directive for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to research gun violence as a public health issue is examined. The hosts highlight the specific inclusion of video games and "media images" in the research scope, while noting the political avoidance of criticizing violent Hollywood movies produced by industry donors.

cdc· gun violence· video games· media images· public health

31:49 provide effective training for active shooter situations for 14,000 law enforcement officers first responders and school officials so we're going to terrorize all the children with active shooter situations it's already been going on but now really good and the freeze on gun violence research. Now this is very interesting, this is a budget... by the way the whole, this whole thing frees up half-a-billion dollars five hundred million dollars. Yeah 500 million dollars to do all of this nothing, to do this nothing initiative So um.. The request here Is to have these Centers for Disease Control to research why uh... the causes of gun violence

32:31 I mean it seems like the trigger was pulled. Doesn't seem like a health issue, just seems like... It doesn't seem like a health issue now? No! The causes of gun violence. Well okay because someone pulled the trigger and pointed to open somebody else's hand. Somebody else, yeah. A maniac However research on gun violence is not advocacy, it is critical public health research that gives all Americans information they need This where this is where they start to lead up to the real meat of the thing. I hope you get there soon Alright, if you want I'll be happy to skip but okay. Actually I'm there. Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence including... And this is very key links between video games media images

33:16 and violence. What, media images? Is that the same even though they don't... They will use the word video games but they won't say violent Hollywood movies No of course not it's media images what's a media image I can i mean is that Google yeah that's a media image huh so scrub groogle group scrub groogle scrub groogle now but it's really quite sad that they're such pussies, they can't even put movies... Yeah, pussies! They're smart money. They get their support from Hollywood and for all practical purposes it's a liberal biased operation and they make their money with violent movies let's face it where all of this best movies are extremely violent

CHAPTER 09 / 33 Discussion

Healthcare Provider Reporting, Doctor-Patient Privilege Erosion

New guidelines clarifying that federal law does not prevent healthcare providers from reporting "credible threats of violence" to law enforcement are scrutinized. The discussion suggests this effectively ends doctor-patient privilege, as physicians are encouraged to ask patients about gun ownership and home storage under the guise of mental health screening.

affordable care act· doctor-patient privilege· mental health· hipaa· gun safety

34:02 and a lot of CG, and they support the Democrats. And so what are you going to do? You don't bite the hand that feeds you! No in fact... This is all window dressing for just doing nothing! ...You give them a tax break. Alright here we go preserve the rights of health care providers to protect their patients and communities from gun violence We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. In other words, doctor-patient privilege is out of the door? Gone! Here it is... Clarify that no federal law prevents healthcare providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence Oh this is a good find You're right I knew this and I missed it And its interesting because

34:51 Affordable Care Act there was a provision actually put in there to try and thwart this except that provision was poorly written and talked about not being allowed to correlate a database of gun owners to people who have mental care, mental health care. But it was poorly worded and so he specifically says doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities

35:27 Like I'm so mad at my wife. Not that i'm mad at my wife, but if someone said that there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence the department of health and human services is issuing a letter to healthcare providers clarifying That no federal law prohibits these reports in any way and we continue protect state law No, no one... citizens don't understand state law. I saw Dr Drew on CNN yesterday like, oh yeah! Finally doctors will be able to do what they do best which is spy on their patients and rat them out Good boy this is just gonna discourage people from talking Well it gets better protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety

36:18 Doctors and other health care providers need to be able... Do you have a gun? This reminds me of the time you go into Canada, they're always asking if you have a gun. Yeah Well doctors and other healthcare providers need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients' homes and safe storage of those firearms especially if their patients show sign of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home Now, there's no definition. This is too big brother for anyone to deal with and it's not going to do any good But it's not about guns John! This is about everything So your doctors gonna start asking you questions Yeah they're putting dossiers together And maybe you shouldn't drive a car I don't think its safe that... Maybe you shouldn't be

CHAPTER 10 / 33 Discussion

Mental Health Expansion, Pharmaceutical Industry Control

The expansion of mental health services under the Affordable Care Act is framed as a boon for the pharmaceutical industry and a tool for human control. The hosts argue that the goal of reaching 750,000 young people for early mental health intervention is a "sales team" effort to increase the prescription of drugs like Ritalin and Vyvanse.

mental health· dsm-5· ritalin· medicaid· pharmaceutical industry

37:08 Maybe you should... Turning over all this information to the insurance company so they can jack up your rates with some rationale. Oh, well please let us go down a little bit here and let me talk about that part. Hold on. Improving mental health services is the last bit no one is talking about on television And mental health services, by the way is taking place all the time. It's your doctor giving you antidepressants, Ritalin... Yeah there is a drug angle on this too There has got to be some pill you can take that keeps you from wanting to shoot a gun President Obama said we're going to need to work on making access to mental healthcare as easy as access to a gun

37:51 Today, it's like this is already easy. You go and you go like I'm confused the doctor goes really? You should have some Ritalin that's how easy it is. I'm depressed really you should have some Abilify today less than half of children adults with diagnosable mental health problems receive the treatment they need Well we need to up that don't you think John I think we need to get more treatments We have patients out there While the vast majority of Americans with mental illness are not violent, several recent mass shootings have highlighted how some cases of mental illness can develop into a crisis situation. Hello! Which situation is that? Where was that admission?! Did I miss that!? Who was deemed crazy officially? Not a single one...

38:47 No, there's been no report of any of these mass shootings that the guy was on drugs. On mental drugs We need to do more than just keep guns out of the hands of people with serious mental illness. All this undefined by the way, but it will be defined in the DSM-5 manual coming out which is coming out in six weeks. By the way with that book everybody's nuts! In six weeks this thing comes out There will be a designation for people who podcast more than twice a week as mentally ill Correct! Now here it is

39:24 Make sure that students and young adults are getting treatment for mental health issues reach 750,000 young people through programs to identify Mental illness early and to refer them to treatment. This is a bonanza this is fantastic and we've got the meant aware project The Provide Mental Health First Aid training for teachers, which includes training for teachers and other adults who interact with youth to detect and respond to mental illness in children and young adults including how to encourage adolescents and families experiencing these problems to seek treatment. They're building a sales team! A huge sales team

40:12 Can I ask you something just a little bit, because I know you're on a roll but I have to kind of... Yeah sure. Jump in. Is there anything in any of these provisions, you've gone through all of them in great detail obviously. Yeah is there anything that like for example would set up a gun safety program? An educational gun safety program at like the high school level so kids would actually be introduced to guns and learn how to deal with them safely and so they know what a gun works and they wouldn't be afraid of them and things like that. So that would probably part of the program right? Who did that? What was the deal?

40:48 I don't think so. Of course that's not part of the deal! Why isn't it part of the deal? It sounds like a logical thing to do No, in fact quite the opposite But here is... oh well maybe this is it We need to launch a national conversation To increase understanding about mental health This is where we come in John This is where we should be able to get some money No Hopefully The sense of shame and secrecy associated with mental illness prevents too many people from seeking help. The President is directing Secretary Sebelius and Duncan to launch a national dialogue... Duncan? There's a guy who needs help! ...about mental illness with young people who have experienced mental illness, members of the faith community foundations and schools and business leaders

41:43 So, you know this I don't know this how come there's not like media podcasters We should be getting paid to talk about mental illness. Yes we should And here is the final bit. Ensure coverage of mental health treatment, there you go! Finalize requirements... finalized mind you for private health insurance plans to cover mental health services which of course will add something to your bill because they're going to be forced to provide mental health and make sure millions of Americans covered by Medicaid also get quality mental health coverage This whole thing is a part the control of the human resources of Gitmo Nation through healthcare.

42:27 Yeah, well that's what we've been working on. We're trying to get this to finish... it has just taken so long! But it wasn't until last night that I really once I was reading this and like this has nothing to do with guns no one gives a crap about the guns these guys who making these laws is just pandering because there's a huge amount of money that is going to go now into more drugs giving more drugs to more kids 750 thousand young adults we have to reach we know what that means don't you? means we got a you know I think just little ADHD and we could get you some Vyvanse that would help. This is just to drug everybody the whole country's gonna be in bad shape all doped up yeah and then all of these your doctor will be able to literally say well

43:13 I don't think you should travel, you shouldn't be in small spaces. You shouldn't be in elevators with people. I do not think that you should be anywhere near children! I don't think that you should be in a situation where there is also alcohol. This is going to be used against the citizens of Gitmo Nation." So yeah no doubt about it Well, I do have a clip that purposes not to ban guns which i forgot what it's about. Can you play that and see if there is any relevance? Yeah. This is not about taking anyone rights away. Oh ok here's what it is... I got the biggest kick out of this because well you've actually brought this up probably more than I have but when somebody says they.. It's NOT for THIS

CHAPTER 11 / 33 Discussion

Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Nancy Pelosi Constitutional Oath

The coalition Mayors Against Illegal Guns is criticized for its celebrity-driven messaging regarding the Second Amendment. Additionally, Nancy Pelosi is called out for misstating her constitutional oath, using the law enforcement phrase "protect and defend" rather than the legislative duty to "uphold" the Constitution.

mayors against illegal guns· nancy pelosi· constitution· second amendment· gun rights

44:03 You know, I'm doing this not for this reason. Oh yeah! Which means you're doing it for this very reason So I got this clip that's gotta quote on some other woman and i just got and I just clipped together because its like I just got to it. Just and this was on Fox of all places, but it's just a funny couple Couple of these we're not doing it for that reason We're doing it for this but play them yes at all along This is not about taking anyone's rights away But about securing the right of all New Yorkers to live in a safe and free society This is not about ignoring those second amendment rights. But we do need decisive action from Congress and we need it soon." The push is being sponsored by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a coalition of more than 800 mayors nationwide. Yeah those guys yeah now they're the ones that did that Celebrity video

44:54 With the all the celebrities I have just scam. I have two quick clips we get out of it get out of this part I mean, I think I've done my job you will not see anyone talking about the health care angle You'll not see any any newspaper magazine catch on the 33 Of course, I mean that was that's not the catch That's what gets me up in the middle of the night like and you know, I have triggers ding-ding-ding Someone just said 33 okay? What is it let me research where is it? Okay, I found it And then it's all about selling 700, they're looking for a million. Basically a million new patients and we'll all be covered by insurance and Medicaid and you know that's not free. You know someone has got to pay for it and probably going to be everybody

45:37 So this is from your neck of the woods. Someone sent this to me, recorded off the television so the audio's not great but it's very funny you have a council woman who knows everything about guns. In California you have an open carry, you're allowed to wear openly in a holster on your belt as long as it's not loaded, as long as there are no bullets in it. You can carry the bullets I think in another pocket but they have to physically be separated and of course this makes lot people nervous but according to this woman unloaded guns are very dangerous California law allows gun owners to carry a rifle or handgun in a holster if its unloaded those who support the bill say even an unloaded gun is still dangerous

46:24 There's been a lot of people that have been shot by an unloaded gun. And whether it is loaded or not, it still presents a threat. That's amazing! There are so many people who've been shot by an unloaded gun. Oh yeah because its no matter if there are bullets in it or not. The gun itself can kill you. It happens all the time. And then just my pet peeve Nancy Pelosi still doesn't really know what her job is Earlier this month shortly after Newtown All members of Congress took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. I'm sorry that is not your oath, your oath is to uphold the Constitution but you're using these terms in a... to connect them to guns. Protect and defend as a law enforcement term thank you And American people to protect and defend

47:19 That is our first responsibility. No, I'm sorry that is not your first responsibility! That's just incorrect Nancy Pelosi Today leaders of the House Democratic Caucus have come together to fulfill that duty, to confront the challenge of gun violence in our society. To enact and ensure the safety and security of our communities." Alright great! But you don't even know what your primary responsibility is? She doesn't even remember the oath that she took Protected I think she's an idiot. Yes, but to protect and serve is the is the actual Police turn up protectance area serve protect answer So one of the things that was watching some of these these events myself Of course, and I found out I realized they didn't realize until I listened at this one which have the clip Which is what? I heard was very exciting Clip if you want to get it ready yeah is I've decided that I hate this this stuff did two phrases This guy uses

CHAPTER 12 / 33 Discussion

Media Stalling Tactics, National Conversation Meme

The phrase "it's great we're having this conversation" is identified as a stalling tactic used by media pundits and the administration. The hosts analyze a clip of Josh Horwitz using the phrase to avoid substantive discussion, linking it to the White House report titled "Now is the Time."

media memes· josh horwitz· national conversation· white house· rhetoric

48:19 I didn't even care about what he had to say, but i think it's about time we called out. Because you hear it and I hear it We have not picked up as a horrible meme See if you can spot it right off the bat Start with you Josh Horwitz What is the most important aspect of what you heard that the president said? Well first of all I think its great that were having this conversation today This day has been a long time coming And when I heard at the White House today was very exciting Long Time Coming Okay, we have two things one is it's great. We're having this conversation Yeah, yeah Which I think it's very exciting that this guy I timed this out They bring this guy on the news hour then these TV people are trying they try to you know jam stuff in there This guy took 21 seconds out of everybody's time To just say I think it's great were having this conversation

49:10 Screw you on how great the conversation is. What have you got to say? So and I'm noticing that a lot of people are bringing this up as, this is exactly the same as gee that's it, that's it, that's a great question! It's some sort of like stalling tactic. I think it's great we're having this conversation. It's great were having this conversation Have the conversation, don't comment on the greatness or non-greatness of the established conversation. It just bugs me! Well to be honest let me just bring it up again isn't that exactly what the president called for? A conversation? Yeah... Let's not do anything! Yeah well but yeah but then... Let's talk about it and then say it's great that we're talking about it But that's kind of how it works you this is what you supposed to do with the President says

49:59 It's great we're having this conversation, a national conversation in our Google Plus community. By the way the document The President's Plan to Protect Our Children and Our Communities by Reducing Gun Violence is the subtitle? It's on Google Plus? No no no now is the time is the name of this report. Now is the time. New meme. The president's plan to protect our children and our communities by reducing gun violence That's a goal to set, you know what? Let's reduce it. I mean if you're gonna set a goal wouldn't you say eliminate

50:37 You know, it sounds so half-hearted. Let's reduce it! It sounds like a weight loss program. Let's just reduce it a little bit. Yeah, let me hear that guy again, that douche. I'll share with you Josh Horwitz what is the most important aspect of what you heard the president say? Well first of all, I think its great we're having this conversation today and this day has been a long time coming and when I heard at the White House today was very exciting. Its so exciting Why? Really, why was it exciting? Was he aroused sexually? It was engaging. You know there was interesting I don't know about exciting. What's exciting a roller coaster is exciting! Christmas is exciting you know these are these things that are exciting

CHAPTER 13 / 33 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, No Agenda Value-for-Value

The hosts acknowledge the executive and associate executive producers for episode 479, including Steven Fettig and Kevin Hamilton. They discuss the "value-for-value" funding model and share listener notes regarding the "slave scanner" (TSA scanners) and the benefits of opting out of airport security procedures.

value-for-value· donations· executive producer· tsa· karma

51:24 Oh man, anyway in the morning to you John C. DeVore. In the morning to you Adam Curry and all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there Yes And uh... To our human resources in the chat room always there to keep us on the straight and narrow feed me funny lines NoagendaStream.com, noagendachat.net and all of our artists Martin JJ did our art on episode 478 Thank You Martin JJ your contributions the contributions of all of the artists which you can see at no agenda are generated on info or comm sorry are Of course a very very important to the success of the program we know it because when we have crap art donations are crap

52:01 So we always try to eliminate losing that. But we had crappy donations this time, so you're going to blame Martin JJ? Yes! It's alright because I have an audition for later on Oh good! Yeah...I always enjoy that. Let's try and nail one so when we have crappy donations when it is low then we can actually make up for some lost time We've not nailed one I have not been hired for one voiceover gig yet. I think you're insincere with your presentations! Well, I'm doing exactly what you're telling me to do! Anyway... Okay well that is my fault. Duh. And it probably is the director will take the hit. Right. I'll take the bullet as per. I mean I'll give you the advertising award when we win it

52:47 Well, I know what you're gonna do. You're gonna win the award and you're gonna thank me! Yes Yeah but that's not the same as... I'm going to have the trophy- I'm gonna thank my team. I'd like to thank my team. I'd like to thank my team. Jeb and Millicent? I want to thank my team Alright. I see at least we have uh is it don't tell me we haven't Knights checking in yeah well we haven a new producer i see new exec no not is it is Steve an exec are you talking about I'm looking at the producer list. We have one executive producer, although it was below our... this is a high of the 200s. You want to be... let's thank them! We got 1-2-3 people. Yeah that's what i just said okay Steven Fettig

53:34 In Wisconsin, Delavan, Wisconsin came in at $250 and he'll be the executive producer for show 479 because he came with the most amount of money. He says he's got nothing to say? Well maybe this misery loves company keep up this well work gents. Thank you. Yeah well he liked his show And he is new. Kevin Hamilton at $233.33, thanks to no agenda I can now pass through airport security without anxiety after hearing about the free valet service complimentary massage and private dressing room. I almost enjoy airport security now! Exactly but wait a minute do you go through the priority line with your coach ticket? That is part of the entire process. Yeah that makes it that much more fun. It does enjoyable yes

54:18 The number of people who are completely unaware opting out is possible must be staggering. I agree, it's amazing to me that everyone just goes through it blind. Also fuck the pre-approved TSA bullshit! I love how their website says no individual will be guaranteed expedited screening Right. No Agenda is worth more to me than $11.11 a month, so I've decided to donate $233.33 which is the regular 33-33 with two to the head in honor of mainstream media which you kick to the curb and assassinate every episode. The service no agenda provides us the best in the universe! I'm requesting at thirty three magic number 2 to the head karma Wow what a great note thank you that makes me feel very good really does.

55:07 You've got karma There you go Kevin, thank you. Uh whoops I just closed the something here uh P. Oh yeah hold on a second let me see if Thomas pool yard sir Thomas to you Has an email in here that what happened to buzzkill jr Taking emails and putting them in how come we keep going to your the last like four or five shows I have to send it to him. He doesn't get the emails I do What but I send it to buzz kill junior a new generation this one to him? I didn't get any mail well, I did But I didn't send it to him. I just noticing It has not been open so opening it now you haven't even opened it oh

55:57 No, I didn't see it. I get 400 emails a day and i don't look at all of them. Now let me read Thomas's note He says hey mofos! I nearly cried when I heard Adam say slave scanner Seems like a new classic term has been coined It's what it is. Yeah, it's a slave scanner. Yeah, it's a slave scanner. Okay slave get in the scanner Thanks again Adam for wireless credentials for Shipol last week Shipol? Shipol! Shipol! It's a new type of antenna John's developing the shipol. It was from my daughter Heidi

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57:23 There's also channeldivorak.com and then noagendashow.com should have a button you can click on, and also noagenadation.com has a button that you can click on. Well, I forgot what i was gonna say. Apparently! Well, I'm disappointed. Normally I have a little more time during this part of the show but I guess that's not the case today. devorek dot org slash n-a well what you can do is propagate some formula it exists by hitting our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth right on

CHAPTER 14 / 33 Discussion

Judicial Watch Lawsuit, Osama Bin Laden Death Photos

Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch discusses the legal battle to release 52 photos of Osama bin Laden's death and burial. The segment critiques CNN's Brooke Baldwin for her questioning style, which suggested that wanting to see the photos was a "crackpot" conspiracy theory despite FOIA requirements for government transparency.

judicial watch· tom fitton· osama bin laden· cnn· brooke baldwin

58:19 If there was a... I'm sorry, did you want to say something? No! No. I'm good to go. Um.. This is uh... Something kind of uhh... ...is left under the radar. These are always very difficult times when producing... ...the show, it takes a lot of extra effort to wade through the molasses of stinking media news bullcrap... ..to find other things that are going on? I mean you know just try and Google- Just look at any news site! Try and get some anything that's beyond... The Garden Control! It's so tiring And it works by the way. Even Miss Mickey said, well you know when Christina's in the house we should lock up the guns and I'm like what is my daughter going to do? What is Christina gonna grab a gun and kill you both?! But it works on people psyche! You're all tired, this hammers you, your hammered. Exactly, you just get physically tired from this so there was an interesting lawsuit

59:21 The ACLU has discovered that there are indeed apparently 52 pictures of Osama bin Laden. of him shot in the head and of the burial at sea, and they sued to get these. It took them that long to create these pictures? Well there's a lot of photoshop! Judicial Watch was initially turned down but just this morning its lawyers made an appeal to a panel of three federal judges in DC and inside that hearing room was the president of Judicial Watch Mr Tom Fitton. Tom welcome Hey thank you

59:58 Why do you want the photos released? By the way, this is an interesting conversation to listen to. I'm sorry it's a great conversation! I'm glad it's happening and very excited about this great conversation because we're having this conversation because Brooke from CNN finds it so strange that anyone would want to see these photos. Yes really with the weirdest thing... You know I heard there was like a explosion they blew up his factory and I wouldn't you know I thought it was bogus but I wanted to see the pictures in You know, why would anybody want to see the pictures with the response? Yeah it's fact. You don't need to see that it's fact is done its history be on the right side of it It's science The law requires it These are basic information about the death

1:00:42 Osama Bin Laden, the most important military victory frankly in the entire war against terrorism. Really? That was a disappointing part of the great conversation I would say! And the administration wants to withhold these documents simply because it might upset foreign populations and get the terrorists upset and you know we don't think you can just throw aside our nation's transparency laws because doing so would upset the terrorists. What other laws do we throw aside? Terrorists are upset! No, don't do that! Don't show pictures you're going to upset me I know you say...you talk about the law but i just have to read what Jay Carney White House spokesperson said at a time quoting him it is not in our national security interest to allow these images to become icons to rally opinion against the United States

1:01:32 when we talk about and we hear from the White House that the possible consequences of releasing these photos, it might inflame the Arab world. We think of our men and women fighting overseas they may be in harm's way do you not believe that could happen? Yeah, but wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah She's great now hold on a second So you're telling me that these photos would get it is gonna upset the world's terrorist? The air will arrest and Carney's all in on this but the movie zero dark 30 No problem No, that's no no no no no its media images at something different doesn't count Can you these are media images pictures our media images? It's not a movie

1:02:17 Don't you understand the difference? And by the way, it's okay if you have a YouTube video of our Marines peeing on dead Arabs. That won't bother anybody. No! Of course not It may happen but we don't know what is going to happen Why do you want to take that chance Who is this douchebag woman?! Brooke! Brooke from CNN They're all programmed but thats why its fun to listen too Its a great conversation and I'm very excited about having it Well, the law requires the release of this information. Is that true Joe? That the law requires a release of this information I like...I mean I think it might be there may be if its requested i think there maybe some under-filed information out there on a FOIA and is more important that we follow our laws to give people access to information about what government is doing

1:03:10 than to say that we're not going to allow the American people know what its government is doing because doing so might upset the terrorists. Everything we do upsets the terrorists, what other laws shouldn't be fun? I love it! Everything you DO upsets the terrorists... This guy's funny he's good. Subtle hero. Because they upset the terrorists The government for instance and withholding What about droning some guy's family? Does that upset the terrorists, I mean when you really look at it. Hey! I'm having a wedding and oh America droned my family. I am an upset terrorist now. Oh don't show those photos. Trying to withhold this information cited false news week publication as upsetting the terrorists and the publication of cartoons is upsetting in the terrorist. The implication is maybe we shouldn't do those things maybe the government should censure that information

1:03:59 Now you're talking good idea. I'll take that to the top Why would you want that? Would you want that to happen if you look at the outro or from that silly it was a silly YouTube video mocking The Prophet Muhammad just before 9-11 of last year and now she brings this thing up which is is now widely admitted To be a lie widely, everywhere. The president the secretary of state everyone says that was not the reason for the pro there was no protest it was an attack she's bringing this up as a reason She is terrible this woman It upset the terrorists You had all the riots globally Why do you want to take that chance? Is it really just about the law or do you not believe he's dead

1:04:46 Oh! Oh! Whoa! Curveball? Talking about jumping over the cliff. Well that's what she, that really what she was supposed to say is you're supposed to... You know cause they got... Demean the guy by making this kind of an accusation which everybody thinks is crackpot so she puts him in that camp and a bit of propaganda good work lady Exactly now if it was me my response would be Yeah, like we landed on the moon. Oh it is about the law I believe he's dead certainly the Obama administration leaked all sorts of other information about the bin Laden death and We're gonna have emotion picture courtesy in part of the Obama administration extolling his old win Yes that victory there And that's fine But then they go ahead and say we can't have the basic information is ridiculous

1:05:36 I love that she brought on the conspiracy theory angle. That to me is just, you know Anderson Pooper did another 12 minutes on that person? Oh no you're kidding! I didn't pull any clips but another twelve minutes. Baldwin joined CNN and HLN in 2008 this is where our journalistic background comes from she was the contributor on Rick's List hosted by a Rick Sanchez. Oh, yeah he was fired on October 2010 for making with some believer anti-semitic remarks Baldwin filled in for him eventually taking the time slot permanently she now anchors CNN newsroom and she hosts a weekly segment during her newscast

1:06:21 Known as music Monday named after the Twitter trend me of flying profiling musicians, so she's also a celebrity She's a groupie jock sniffer Music special name soundcheck which featured Wilco Mavis Staples and Mumford & Sons. Anyway, Baldwin and Pierce Morgan work together hosting CNN's coverage of Queen Elizabeth the Second Diamond Jubilee. Yeah so she is a total douchebag. I don't see anything that she has any... She got her bachelor degree in journalism and Spanish from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Alright that's her

CHAPTER 15 / 33 Discussion

CNET Hopper Award Scandal, CBS Editorial Interference

The controversy surrounding CNET's withdrawal of a "Best of CES" award for the Dish Hopper is examined. The hosts discuss the resignation of a CNET writer over CBS's editorial interference, noting that such conflicts of interest are inevitable when tech review sites are owned by major media conglomerates involved in litigation with the product manufacturers.

cnet· dish hopper· cbs· journalism ethics· ces awards

1:07:13 You still there? Yeah, I'm listening. Oh, I'm done with her. She's just a dude...I really think she is terrible the way she handled that questioning. She was obviously...you might be right, she just scripted Well this is what she does! Come on these people have...if she has to think for herself then smoke comes out of her ears This isn't new Alright, what else we got? I have a question for you. Yeah and you were not on that technology show Sunday And and I don't see this kind of understand why it's not really Being discussed because it seems like more important is that the hopper was removed from the CNET Awards Oh big surprise everybody It's rigged

1:08:02 Well, I've always said all these awards are rigged. Of course it's rigged but yeah, everyone is like integrity where's the integrity? There is no integrity over there! There's no integrity anywhere except on this show because we have no commercials that's the whole problem Yeah, No that is the issue We don't have commercial so talk about the hopper. I mean, this poor CNET guy quits! Which you know... he'll get work. What a fool! And why didn't the editors stand up for him? Here's the thing let me discuss how this actually should work. Because I actually have something else to talk about but okay Let me talk about how this is. First give a little background on it some guy working at CNET can remember his name offhand but he's one of the writers and he wrote how great The Hopper was

1:08:48 And apparently CBS told the powers that be, and I couldn't figure out who his editor is because I looked at the editorial stuff to see. Because I was going to write a column on this but you couldn't figure out who his editor was but some editor obviously got the word said they pulled the thing and the guy got mad and quit and says there's no integrity here, and he quit. Meanwhile the editor of course should have taken the bullet not the writer but that's another story But you could have gotten around this it should've been caught before it was printed in the first place And is very easy to take on the other side of this argument if I was going to be the editor and didn't want this to run because I knew it would cause trouble I would just gone to the writer said look

1:09:26 That is by the way, the way it does. This is the real world await actually operates especially in any media that's owned by a large corporation right you go to the guy but your first You know you gotta kill this story because your bosses are gonna get mad at ya But you do but they never actually necessary net if it's done right the editor doesn't on his own He doesn't wait for them so he can always say no one's ever told me No one's ever told me to fix this story. No one's ever told me to do this or that? No because of your worth your salt you do it without being told. And here's the way as editor I would have done this, I'd gone to the writer and said look

1:10:05 We have a problem with this story. What's the problem? I said, well CBS is in litigation right now with The Dish Network and this device and unless you want to be hauled into court and become like deposed and go through a big hassle and maybe be sued personally... Yes. Oh, okay. Likelihood is zero but it's always possible you want to be sued and then from now on as this case progresses your article will be used against the company you work for?

1:10:42 I'll print it if you want to go with it, but I think you're going... It's not a good idea. Just take my word for not a good idea." Boom! That writer will pull the story. Deal is done everybody's happy this never happens right somebody at CNET into the editorial layer dropped the ball already but the thing was already nominated It was nominated and the nominations had gone out. That's worth... ... earlier than all this, you could do it if it was very easy to get around this problem of having the embarrassment having a writer quit but apparently nobody had the skill set to do it. But John hold on a second can we just agree that CNET is compromised regardless I don't care how hoity-toity they all act

1:11:26 Oh no, I just said that they were and this is the way it should have been handled if it was handled by somebody who knew how to do it. They had people at some layer... But its everything! Its like you know there were views, the whole thing... Yeah but CBS is a large corporation NBC is compromised in the same way I can assure you that you'll never see ABC doing an expose on Disney No Alright let me ask you the question then because here's what I'm actually interested in The Java story. Why is the US government, specifically the government telling me I should uninstall Java on all of my computers? Yeah. And you know there's talk about... There's a zero-day threat out there

CHAPTER 16 / 33 Discussion

US Government Java Warning, Oracle Intelligence Ties

The Department of Homeland Security's unusual public warning to uninstall or disable Java due to a zero-day threat is analyzed. The hosts speculate on the lack of technical press coverage and suggest potential involvement from intelligence agencies, given Oracle CEO Larry Ellison's long-standing ties to the CIA.

java· oracle· larry ellison· zero-day threat· cia

1:12:12 Well, but... That apparently can compromise your machine and some people can diguess. I mean, but i've heard this, I don't know that it's true But obviously no one- Supposedly there is a zero day threat that could make somebody take over your machine and steal all of your stuff real easy Okay Where is Kaspersky? And where are all these guys who were always checking out Stuxnet and everything Who was behind it? I think If to me sounds like the government And the Israeli government who did the Stuxnet and Olympic Games, something got out of control. Oh that's a possibility! But there seems to be no fear

1:12:58 Don't hear people freaking out about no you talk the people talking about it. Does everyone not use Java? No, everybody does him It's it's in inherent to things that I use I know what is and I'm talking about JavaScript obviously but Java There's all kinds of Java stuff that that that that I used do applications So I but where is the where's the analysis where's the tech press on there all the time at the frickin hopper? Oh And this is, whoo-hoo! Integrity of the Journal. Where is the actual journalistic work going on? Because nobody has... I don't know what to... You're right it's an interesting drop the balls moment and Larry Ellison by the way... Somebody should be telling me right now why what's the big deal what's going on so they would doubt the fact that we're seeing this situation evolved away it is would indicate that some intelligence agencies are somehow involved in this

1:13:51 Well this of course comes from Oracle. This is from Oracle, Larry Ellison you know he's obviously has huge contacts with the intelligence community A lot of people believe that the reason oracle has always been so big it was because it was its main CIA database supplier and they have to be kept in business Yes Yeah never can go out of business No they can't It's impossible Anyway I would just like to know To me it feels like either No, the only thing it feels like is something got out of control. I'm on it! Thank you. Where's the column? Where's the Dvorak patented column? Tomorrow there'll be a blowout column on this topic. Promise? I'll call in a few favors. What favors? Wait a minute...I want to know what favors?! It was just a phrase. Not a lot of visibility on Lucifer Clippity-Clop

CHAPTER 17 / 33 Discussion

Hillary Clinton Health Speculation, Blood Pressure Claims

Following reports of Hillary Clinton's health issues, the hosts play a clip of Bill Clinton describing her low blood pressure and heart rate. They revisit a recurring theme regarding her physical constitution, jokingly referencing theories about her being a "reptile" who does not sweat.

hillary clinton· bill clinton· health· blood pressure· reptiles

1:14:51 She's laying very, very low. The swelling has got to go down around her eyes! Apparently she is older and they didn't know if she was going to get it. I guess she is a bleeder so probably still has two black eyes. Well not according to Bill. Yeah yeah Bill would know. I don't think he seen the woman in six months. Well if you listen to bill He basically confirming that she is a lizard Check it out Here it is. She's always been very, very healthy and she has very low blood pressure, very low standing heart rate I tell her that you know... Very low blood pressure? Very low standing heart rate? Yeah What does that mean what is a standing heart rate? Just your heart rate when you're not doing anything Okay She still got time to have three more husbands after me

1:15:47 So I think she'll live to be 120. Uh-huh, oh yeah okay. Just like a turtle! No lizard! We already know from past shows that people who just new listeners they don't know this but there's a lot of discussion about the fact that she does not sweat That's right. Eat me Hillary Clinton! That's right she does not sweat It was discussed on a couple of shows and she does not sweat She is the first to admit it and we know very few reptiles actually sweat Well you know We have to start listening to David Icke again. Nah, I'm pretty convinced that guy's in on the game too Oh yeah totally so i have a one kind of an off-the-wall transition clip So I got the newest it's only a 60 second job because they've changed their style because 1 minute and 30 second ads are too expensive

CHAPTER 18 / 33 Discussion

Boeing 787 Dreamliner Grounding, Airbus Sabotage Theory

The global grounding of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner fleet due to battery fires and smoke incidents is discussed. The hosts propose a theory of industrial sabotage between Boeing and Airbus, pointing to the suspicious presence of a Japanese TV reporter during an emergency evacuation as evidence of a staged or "rigged" media event.

boeing 787· dreamliner· faa· airbus· japan airlines

1:19:01 It's science. Context is lost on Twitter, isn't it? Yeah. It is totally lost on Twitter you just...it's like a bunch of people...it's like the Muppet Show! Just a bunch of muppets and then they do stuff that's kind of interesting I don't know why I use twitter now to mention it So we were for several years tracking the Airbus vs Boeing fight And I saw you have a clip, so I want to hear your report. I was thinking that I was going to introduce the concept... Let me just set it up The setup is well actually i'll set it up with a little piece from a clip from last week which I was holding on to

1:19:49 about the Dreamliner 787. Now this is last week's announcement comes on the heels of another issue involving a battery on the Boeing 787 yesterday and all Nippon Airways flight was forced to make an emergency landing after a battery malfunction there were reports of smoke in the cockpit, the landing led all Nippon and Japan airways to ground their fleet of 787 that's a total of... Crap I'm sorry it's wrong clip I'm an idiot. That's this week's... Yeah, I know this is-this is-I'm sorry. The FAA announcement... What is this? Why is it here? Does this... The FAA announced today that it's going to take a closer look at Boeing 787 Dreamliner This comes after three days of problems this week King 5 aviation specialist Glenn Farley is here with more on today Now listen carefully because this is just last week

1:20:40 with the FAA. This announcement and what this could mean, so what are they doing to take... You know this is really a pretty big deal basically what the FAA is going to do with Boeing's help is it's going to review the process that got them to this point. The years that they spent certifying this airplane to make sure they did it right and try to figure out why we're having some of the kinds of incidents were having now let's take a look at one of those incidents right now. The one that really has gotten everybody's attention here is this fire in the Aft cargo bay aboard a Japan Airlines 787. Alright, so as we started the show off I will tell you that electrical fires... You know pilots just take off with that stuff. That uh..I don't think that these supposed alleged smoke etc in the cockpit

1:21:29 I'm not so sure that is really a reason to ground the fleet. It is interesting that only United has them in the United States, United Airlines has eight of them Now I don't like flying in it anyway because they're made of plastic So I am against the whole plastic plane principle to start with But I believe there's something else going on and I hope you have a theory Yeah well this is same theory we've been pushing for four years, which is that there's a fight between Airbus and Boeing and they sabotage each other. And I think it just pure sabotage in this the smoke thing is particularly weird but this last report the thing that got me and re-triggered the thought that this was just essentially part of the little battle even though they haven't like killed anybody yet but you can expect to see an Airbus go down because Boeing plays a little rougher than the other guys You'll probably be half empty but he'll still crash

1:22:25 The thing was that the coincidence on this latest thing, it says oh okay. This doesn't sound right. There's a dramatic turn for the worse today for Boeing's Dreamliner Japan's two biggest airlines grounded all their 787 planes after one was forced to make an emergency landing Rupert Wingfield Hayes reports from Tokyo This is a site that will make hearts sink at Boeing's headquarters in Chicago. It may look like a drill, but this is for real an emergency evacuation from one of Boeing's shiny new 787 I thought they weren't they aren't the headquarters in Seattle

1:23:06 No, no. This was a big scandal couple years ago when they said we want our taxes lowered in Washington State and they say we're moving to Chicago out of Washington state because this Gregoire idiot governor said bull crap why you can't leave us right and then they moved the headliners to... And they left? Yeah, they left because Illinois gave them a better deal so were looking at an image of people jumping out of the plane on those slides Dreamliners. It was caught on camera by a Japanese TV reporter and just happened to be on board. In the end, fire trucks were not needed and the passengers all walked away unharmed but smoke onboard an aircraft in flight is always serious that's why all Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines have now both ordered the grounding of all their 787s until they can be thoroughly checked

1:24:00 An all Nippon Airways flight has made an emergency landing after a cockpit message indicated there was a problem. Details are being checked, but we are not prepared to comment on any general problems that have surfaced in the 787." It's no exaggeration to say the 787 is the future of Boeing But in the last week it has been hit by an unprecedented series of incidents. First, an electrical fire on board a Japan Airlines Dreamliner in Boston in the US then a fuel leak from another JAL dreamliner at the same airport the next day Last Friday and all Nippon Dreamliner suffered a cracked windscreen And now this latest emergency

1:24:48 Experts insist none of the faults is fundamental and the 787 is still a very good plane. But with so many incidents in such a short space of time Boeing has a lot of explaining to do its customers Right anyway, so here's the thing that was the giveaway besides the coincidental Journalist on board guys did journalist yeah So the guy obviously he was the one that was shooting the guy's jumping out of the plane right? He had to either get out first. Yeah and Which means he was sitting in first class and no journalist gets flown around in first class so he could get out first or he was allowed to get out first. But the real killer here, and that is overlooked by all these reporters

1:25:34 Where did he get the camera? They don't let you jump out of these planes with your personal stuff. They don't, they make a big stink about it! So he had to jump out of the plane with camera gear set up a tripod or at least have a hand-held camera that I didn't see the video did it look like professional video of these guys the plane being evacuated He was away from it, he was at a three-quarter shot. He had a good angle on it they were jumping out and he was catching it I mean how do you do that when you have to jump out yourself and you can't take possessions with ya? It was rigged Oh no, well first of all I heard something completely different. I heard that there was a message in the cockpit that something was wrong No they said that in here too They say there was smoke in the cabin and something else Nooo, I'm not so sure they said there's smoke in the cabin

1:26:26 This is because the guy says anytime there's smoke in the cabin. It's dangerous right mm-hmm I'm telling you that he didn't say there was smoke in the cabin He said a message was received Yeah, they were both items. I think there were smoking the cabinet and it was a message I don't think it was one or the other so where as I'm looking now at the video and I don't see smoke billowing out of the plane No, it's probably just a little stench of smoke. Yeah... But they all jumped out and that was that. Okay here is the video of the guy okay so Video oh hold on a second I have actual video of people leaving This is an inside video Inside the plane And then he's outside I don't know John there could just be uh Not so sure well It could be It could just be an iPhone No no there was zoom That's not an iPhone Zoom

1:27:26 It's a handheld it looks like it. You know what? It looks like an exercise to me. It looks like you know, I look like an exercise to meet practice name Yeah Well, anyway there is an ongoing and long-standing feud for obvious reasons between Boeing and Airbus. And these things are... this is a very very very very big business until to throw this thing down To ground the Asian flights and the US flight's a big deal at first I thought there might also be a merger angle but you know United of course merged with Continental they're pretty much that the biggest airline in the world And so they may, you know there could be a

1:28:06 A purchase that's being readied by the Sky Team partners. Whatever is going on here, it's about money and somebody didn't pay the bill. Someone didn't pay the lobbyist someone did someone mess up somewhere? The other one long shot angle which is there's no evidence of it but it's a good one to at least speculate about ever since they moved to Chicago yeah things have gone sour big you know mobbed-up area gangster central You know they could be under some sort of like hey, you know you want these planes to fly. You know you owe us some money right and the Yakuza in Japan are perfect as they're always in bed with the love our mom And so the yakuza would be the ones that were pulling this stuff off With because it's all Japanese Carriers is a very nice isn't I've always thought it was your yakuza

1:29:02 I think it's Yakuza. Maybe one of our Yakuza listeners can give us the correct pronunciation Yeah, all of our yaku... if only we had yakuza listeners That's where the money is. They probably want money from us. I just don't seem being generous Anyway so that's that yeah this will continue for another couple weeks until something happens something bad No, I think they're gonna clear the well we'll know they're either gonna clear it up real quick Because you know they keep talking about batteries and it's very it's very It's very very iffy stuff. I mean of course as always The reporting is so crap And then you know here's a topic that I kind of really know something about and then in everyone who listens You just this is this is your clue when you're consuming news

CHAPTER 19 / 33 Discussion

Manti Te'o Hoax, Sports Journalism Failures

The Manti Te'o "fake girlfriend" scandal is used as a case study for the decline of modern journalism. The hosts criticize major outlets like ESPN and Sports Illustrated for failing to perform basic fact-checking on the football player's story, which was eventually exposed by the "rogue" site Deadspin.

manti te'o· deadspin· notre dame· sports illustrated· journalism

1:30:00 from the traditional news sources when a topic comes up that you know something about like fishing or Or playing cards poker maybe Something you really know something about and everyone has that in there from time to time. You read something Oh, it's in the in the into newspaper. Oh, it's on television And then you're always amazed at how poorly It's reported That's the case with everything you read And God forbid you get interviewed someone tries to write a story about you and then you read it or you see it and You're like that's not me at all. That's completely incorrect It's the story that the journalists wanted to portray That's when you know, that it's all crap and it's okay because you know we could we get stuff wrong Yeah, well, he usually correct in sometimes you corrected on the same show because we have a feedback loop We do indeed

1:30:56 We do indeed. So I ran into another interesting thing, this is a story that was suppressed and the news media couldn't pick up on it and then now it's out and its becoming kind of a lesser story but it's about an arrest that took place back in October or and then they decided to not publicize it because it would embarrass a congressman Oh! And they stayed uh...they kept under wraps and now it's coming out, and it brings up... well actually I have a little presentation on journalism if you want to go there. Oh please yes! Do you have a slideshow to go with this? Yes I do, I have a very small slide show which I'll have in the show notes called fucku.ppt and it will be there for everyone who wants to see it Really?! Could you spell that?

1:31:50 So, let's take a look at the one story that I know you haven't been following is about this crazy football story. And I'll just give you an update and then you can play the clip. This is the guy who was hoodwinked or something? We doubt it. You're right! You are absolutely correct 100% I did not follow that couldn't give a crap but I love to hear it when you're going to deconstruct it. The clip is modern journalism and what did this is the end of a long Gretchen or Grecha whatever, Gretcha, Gretchel, Gretl? What's her name on this? Van Susteren? Gretl, Gretl, Gretl van Susteren.

1:32:30 She did the best job of this. They had a real long exposition on what was about this guy, who's a football player for Notre Dame made up to made up his cock and bull story about his girlfriend then she died of leukemia got a bunch of sympathy that school used it to bolster their fundraising and he use it to try to get a Heisman award but now he says he was hoaxed back in 2009 This is going on for three years by the way So it's been going on for three years, this is him and his phony girlfriend. And so they brought it up and then this guy as he finishes his analysis, this journalist makes a couple of comments about journalism and how this was covered in fact that some website deadspin.com is the only people that picked up on it because they got some tips

1:33:11 and they're you know kind of renegades but you know they found out then the thing snowballed and became a kind of a screwy scandal. You're right it's not worth following, but I'm only following because of this journalism aspect and when we play this will be the first part of my little essay. There was no woman she doesn't exist there's plenty more to come crazy story out of South Bend today Alright, so why did it even get exposed or come to light? You know Deadspin is a watchdog journalism site. Say what you want about them they got several tips on this to say from readers hey you might want to dig and this is what's crazy Sports Illustrated had a feature about this ESPN did all these different teary-eyed specials about this there was a lot of

1:33:53 credible journalistic units that did stories about this and Teo to them told them the whole story and everyone did it, and no one really fact-checked it. Here Deadspin comes out which is kind of viewed as a rogue site And they said here's our story we're doing a full investigation there was no funeral There was no girl there were no parents for the girl Why didn't anyone else fact check this? Well you can say as a journalist if a 21 year old kid tells me his girlfriend died am I supposed to go And check out if there was a funeral. Am I supposed to go and see if there was a corpse? There's a question about who is to blame, and why it took a deadspin report to investigate all the facts in such a high-profile story." Yeah! You are supposed to check! That would be a reasonable thing to do! What he said which I just think that's great... He said that some 21 year old kid of all people just gives me a cock and bull story. I'm printing as is

1:34:46 What are you... give me some more quotes kid, I'll just use them straight. Kind of like Sandy Hook! And other episodic things but anyway so that I just cracked up with this one and you're right, nobody did anything. The guy's making this whole thing up there is no photos of his girlfriend What guy has a girlfriend for three years and he doesn't...and there is no photo of her? I mean that was just the simplest things were indicating to me. I think the kid made the whole thing up And I also think he obviously because he did such a good job they show lot of clips of him He's a pathological liar That all there is too it and nobody could pick up on it. So that's what you end up with in todays journalism but anyway so that brought me to clip number two which is the one about this guy that was arrested in October and nobody again, the whole journalistic community nobody picked up on the arrest until after he was brought out again by Associated Press announced its a semi scandal but the guy who he was working for got re-elected and probably wouldn't have been if this had been done right which brings up a question after this clip is over then I'm going to ask you

CHAPTER 20 / 33 Discussion

Senator Robert Menendez Intern Arrest, ICE Delay Allegations

The Associated Press reports that the Department of Homeland Security ordered ICE to delay the arrest of an illegal immigrant and sex offender working as an intern for Senator Robert Menendez until after the 2012 election. The hosts frame this as a clear instance of Washington corruption and election rigging involving the DOJ and Eric Holder.

robert menendez· ice· department of homeland security· eric holder· election rigging

1:35:51 But I need to know what the name of the clip is. Who says DSDHS? Okay, got it. That's what I thought it was. Thank you And tonight, what might be political funny business that you won't find particularly funny. The Associated Press reporting that Washington ordered immigration agents to put off the arrest of an illegal immigrant and registered sex offender until after the November 6th election. The suspect? An intern working for Democratic U.S. Senator Robert Menendez. Now AP reporter Alicia Caldwell broke this story and she joins us nice to see you. Nice to see you okay so when this story first broke about two months ago. It was unclear why the arrest wasn't made of the illegal in Senator Menendez's office, what have you learned since? Well internal ICE documents provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee show that when the Newark office learned exactly who this young man was they went up the food chain to their bosses and said there could be significant congressional inquiries and attention from the media

1:36:51 that prompted Washington ICE to delay, to order the arrest delayed. They indicated Let's figure out what to do given the new circumstances. They were set, the local ICE officials they were set to arrest this young man at the local prosecutor's office in late October that of course did not happen he wasn't arrested until December 6th and that the progression is they notify their bosses, bosses say hold on and we have a source US official who said the Department of Homeland Security ordered ICE to delay Yeah, delay that arrest I guess was the... Yeah delay the arrest. I don't know why he clipped it so poorly

1:37:33 So, okay so we know this is just basic Washington corruption. Right? But you are under the impression because you went to Donald, Uncle Don and tried to push the DHS around to get Millicent in and you got nowhere! What part of government can't push DHS around?! This has to go either right to Eric Holder again... Yes, and I learned just last night that the FBI reports to Holder.

1:38:11 No, I knew that. I didn't know that because i always thought Mueller is of course the director but I didn't know that the guy all the way at the top of the chain in the FBI is Holder as the attorney general. Yeah, he's the top law enforcement guy. Well, I didn't know he was in charge of the FBI. I thought the FBI had their own shabang going on there No, it's Holder and Holders the one because he works for Obama right I got your back boss. Yeah, well I guess I got you back boss So they pulled this stunt which was just completely corrupt yeah And they've already got a holder on this fast

1:38:49 and furious thing, they can't do anything with that. And so Congress now is going to look into this obviously they're gonna try and they're gonna get stonewalled again I mean we have a horrible government at work here they did something like this which is essentially rigging in election by preventing of an arrest or putting an arrest off past Election Day which would have hurt them. Of course would've hurt whole bunch things lot of political capital in the game And the journalists, by the way? Nobody picked up on this. They knew about the arrest and all those rest of it in other words they're scrambling around, eh get something else to do we got better things to do you we got better things to do In fact here's a good example some of the better things that have to do You don't even have to say it I'll play the clip I know exactly which clip is Go for it Okay Here we go And here we go Who's also enjoying 15 minutes of fame tonight Is a Justin Bieber clone who's making a name for himself Did I guess it right

CHAPTER 21 / 33 Discussion

Justin Bieber Lookalike, TSA Opt-Out Strategy

A brief segment covers a Justin Bieber lookalike in Belgium before transitioning back to travel advice. The hosts reiterate their strategy for navigating airport security: using a coach ticket in the priority line and opting out of scanners to receive a "complimentary massage" from TSOs.

justin bieber· beliebers· tsa· priority line· travel tips

1:39:46 Oh yeah! After, you know those recent pictures of Justin appearing to smoke pot. Robin Veracus is his name he's from Belgium He shooting down these conspiracy theories that are floating around from Justin's fans That he was the one in those pot smoking pictures posing as The Biebs And he's actually begging the believers to believe him Do you think this look-alike is actually sweating the backlash from Bieber fans, which we know can be quite harsh? Or is this a guy who's maybe riding his claim to fame right now to get even more attention. Did he seriously say Beliebers? Yeah He said believers unless the Baron von Pelsmacher could you find this subject in the barony of Belgium and cut his head off

1:40:35 And put it on a stick. Yeah, put it on a stick... A steak or something like that! Belvedere, Illinois. It says Belvedere. Well it's just Belvedere no matter how you spell it 104 dollars He says first a few episodes ago one producer suggested we make the little girl who does the jingles a dame Here's my matching donation to the Make Lizzy A Dame Fund

1:41:17 I hope that's her name, it is. If anyone deserves to be a dame she does! So no agenda listeners cough up some coin and make Lizzie a dame Second my son was flying out of Louisville Kentucky the Sunday before New Year's acting on your advice he hopped it out and got the enhanced pat down He thanked them for the free massage so they asked him if he was feeling more relaxed And he said all thanks to you buddy When he left the checkpoint, a few were openly laughing. So there you have it! No Agenda brings a little joy to the TSA Thank You for showing how the media manipulation happens and news is sometimes entertaining now Okay just to review everybody because I want people to get it right

1:41:59 The entire process is you get a coach ticket, you stand in the priority line because they no longer check that anymore. You get to the same TSI man or woman thing up front. A TSO actually as an officer. And so you already have jollies and a good feeling in your tummy because you see all the lambs and sheep standing in the line going around like hamsters. You just blew right through it, then you go for the opt-out. All you have to do is just nod towards your bag because they'll say which bag is yours? Don't point at them but just nod like a No Hands restaurant. Just nod that one over there. They'll pick it up and you can always say ah!

1:42:48 Be careful. You wipe down the shoes just in case you've been walking through explosives. The little swab on the shoes there? Yeah, they shine up the shoe a little bit. And then you thank him and go on your merry way! Enjoy your valet service courtesy of No Agenda. Yeah it works...works

CHAPTER 22 / 33 Discussion

Listener Donations, Prime Number Prime, 6969 Segment

A large segment of listener donations is processed, featuring a discussion on the 92nd prime number (479) and a series of "69.69" donations. Listeners contribute notes on various topics, including the book *Atlas Shrugged*, car washing bans in Texas, and the "Buzzkill" iPhone game.

donations· prime numbers· 6969· karma· atlas shrugged

1:43:26 William Durkin in Greenville, South Carolina $92. Itm Starsky and Hutch I'm donating 92 because 479 is 90s is the 90 second prime We got one guy only one guy knew this Where all my geeks at can I there's not nobody no geeks listen to the show Can I get a karma shot with the chaser shut up science? Thanks for the great work build Durkin you've got karma Shut up already! Science. Thomas Lane in Vista, California 7575 ITM after hearing Adam's hellish story of the trip back to Camp MoFo I figured i'd better send Ian for some much-needed trip karmas this sat Thursday show is being done I'll be landing at San Jose for a week for a week vacation wait a minute somebody's going to san jose for a vacation

1:44:21 Yeah, give him some karma. He's gonna need it if he doesn't get mugged. You've got karma Jason Hoggett in Midland Texas Oh Really? Yes It was so low I didn't even have anything ready to go because I thought that you know there's just no way 69! 69 dude! Unbelievable We hit it Nice With mainstream media vaccinations courtesy of the Jedediah and Alden show for at least as long as Dr. Kiki has been almost a smoking hot as Mickey, and purportedly as personable as Mimi net celeb with a podcast more droning than Obama's kill list wrapped in a box of Ambien

1:45:05 This guy writing for Woody Allen? Having read and enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, at Alden's recommendation I feel more... Hey you know what John why don't you burn all Atlas Shrugged books. Just go burn some books will ya! Everybody send your Atlas Shrugged to John so we can build a big bonfire and burn them I feel morally compelled to exchange value for value, for the pleasure i've received with this donation of 69.69 cents... ...I have nothing to plug myself please tell the noodle kids in the audience to get their wood out from under the goat cheese and make a 50 dollar discount He has all our memes. He's like writing them down. Make a $50 donation to plug themselves, their business or the noble plans that remake society into a socialist utopia Cost savings of advertising this way are bigger than the difference between weather and climate You may be wondering how I have a vegan...vegan? Vegan! I can't remember Can stand past this opportunity give us shout out to his own polarizing lifestyle By the way did you get another package of food

1:46:03 Yes, I did But we were still going through all the mail. So uh, I think I saw the box Did you get a box? Yeah awesome yeah He asks he says he eats meat or What's the name of his with operation called healthy surprise healthy surprise calm? Yeah, he says easy does eat grass-fed beef He's not a pure vegan by any means just has a vegan you know what I miss in those boxes I'd like to see Chocolate covered grasshoppers and mealworms. Oh, they were in one of the early boxes that... Really? I missed that one! I love that kind of stuff. Yeah it was chocolate covered some gross thing No maybe not because that wouldn't be vegan They can eat bugs Anyway but we'll talk about this He wants to get... he doesn't know how to get good grass He lives in LA so we have to find somebody where he can go get locker beef In the LA basin That's what we request Right here on the air

1:47:00 Anyway, the real question I should be asking is do i have any food? For Jedidiah's sake please call Anne Ranns editor out as an incompetent douchebag. Hold on. And give some karma to the creator of the Crackpot and Buzzkill iPhone game, which riddles me with fun while I wait in line for the car wash now that parts of Gitmo Nation adios mofos have banned washing your car on your own property what? Yeah no water conservation man. In Texas? Yeah shut up slave! Do you know do you know that i can water our lawn here twice a week for 10 minutes a day really yeah

1:47:40 10 minutes. Well anyway, he needs some... He needs a Don't Eat Me Hillary, Jed C Dvorak You Will Obey, Two to the Head, Too Delicious To Believe combo That's not a combo that's a quattro Yeah and it's also there is no karma mentioned in here I think you mentioned karma earlier Yep okay Karma did the creator of Crackpot and Buzzkill Oops sorry oops misfire see I'm already doing it wrong Here we go It's too many You will obey you will obey you will obey it's almost too delicious to believe my friend. You've got karma

1:48:21 It's way too much. No, not good. Lee Scarbeck in Springfield Pennsylvania, we appreciate the thought. Yeah. Springfield Pennsylvania 6969 could use a little help in that area me included everyone could use a little help in that area what area? And this was enough! Specifically the part regarding the war against free thinking keep up the crusade thank you We shall Sir Nussbaum in Virginia Beach, Virginia 6969. Third member of the Sir M-Nussbaum fiefdom is Dame Sydney St. Nicole's daughter Oh wait so this brings the third knighthood into the family a dame hood in this case because we have one ceremony today oh that's awesome That is awesome So give him a Dr Kiki little slave girl shut up

1:49:18 and uh... Karma. Karma. Shut up already! It's science, shut up! You've got karma. He wanted Italian little girl he didn't read it right I said Italian little girl No you didn't Shut up slave! Stancito schiavo! I kinda like that one too Yeah i do We need to use it more Charles Sir Charles Anderson Columbus Ohio 6969 Dear Ahmed and Joaquim This swazzle-nuff donation is to celebrate the fact that I actually got a raise and bonus this year. Little girl yay in my head, please give me a new world order 2 to the head karma. Uh oh! Devorah! Oops. Shut up snake! Wow! You've got karma. These are messed up. Maximilian Mahn and Constance...I think he is an uh

1:50:26 In Austria is that Austrian or that Deutschland? JCD can you a German accent sometimes? Jawohl! Then they say nine, nine, nine If you wish to leave it on us up to use this my This is my third micro donation to this institution liking what I get so giving something back Please look up Constance on Google Maps. It's not an Austria idiot by the way are you guys for real Keep it clean, I want a de-douche for you guys and a karma for me. You've been de-douched! Alright... K-O-N-S-T A-A-N-Z Where is Karma? We also messed up we said Espoo And you said Lithuania and I agreed with you Yeah That's wrong It's Finland and apparently I haven't even been there Oh right, I knew it was in Finland

1:51:23 Then why did you say Lithuania? I knew it was in Finland. I was thinking Finland when i said Lithuania, I have no idea why. Yeah well mental health care is on its way. Okay so Konstanz is situated on Lake Constance off the Rhine River which starts in the Swiss Alps passes blah blah blah It's a university city with 80 000 people at the western end of Lake Constance in the southwest corner of Germany bordering Switzerland It houses the University of Constance. Devil! Heil everybody! Okay, so that we don't make damage... I said Deutschland in this one. Make Mike Matt

1:52:06 Matt Litke in Tinley Park, Illinois 6960 we got a lot actually yeah We did well on the swazzle enough is yours lit key and not Lidka. Well it could be like I look at I asked for job karma last year And it worked right now this time. I give the karma to you Jebba Diane Abraham a lot of people giving us Karma We just need cash I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water Just send your cash Nathan Goldsmith in Tucson, Arizona. Since I pulled a plug from the cable company per John's suggestion... Thank you very much! ...I'm flush with cash! Woohoo! That's how bad it is. Yeah Thanks for the great work, sweet. Came in with 6969 He wants a rain stick You wanna do a duo? Yeah let's rock a duo Ready 1 2 3 Where are ya? I'm all over it Did you see all the tweets we got? Yeah Apparently its raining in Tennessee as we speak It's raining in Texas Oh good Is it raining in California

1:53:09 No, thank God. Okay well hopefully it'll be raining in Tucson. There you go. Yeah we can try. Craig Hoogheim in Elmere Ontario. Hoagheam? Hoagheam? It would be Hoagheam I think for proper... Hoagheam! 6969 London nuts on Ontario's where he actually is. In the morning Josie and Alan and Minnie I just reached 69 followers on Twitter, it is time for a de-Douching and to call out Curtis Gibson as a miserable douchebag! Wow if I am miserable douchebag... If I could also get two to they head in here him scream as he falls off the fiscal cliff that would make my day.

1:53:57 On top of it and a karma on top of it absolutely That's good I think I need to time it differently let me try it again. It's like I gotta leave a little beat, but you know cuz yeah, it's like The first one was okay. I think it works it works Okay here we go Ike hunt This is my favorite joke, by the way. He's Mike's brother! Yeah... Mike, Mike and Ike. They also make candy. Well into Ontario 69-69 credit Ike Hunt in Niagara Falls. Niagara Falls!! Slowly i turned Anyway he wants Parliament mumble and shut up it's science karma to the producers and you two guys also And a karma with that as well huh?

1:55:02 Shut up already! Science. You've got karma. Alright, it's doable. It's doable. And that closes out our 6969 segment. 69! 69 dudes! Ew. Meanwhile Justin Robinson in Colorado Springs donates $6968 Why would you do that? Why would you do 68 because he doesn't care for the jingle He says although it looks funny cuz we did close 69 if I had done 69 70. He could have avoided the jingle Yeah, maybe done now You know there's a lot of options here But he took the wrong one

1:55:45 Anyway, he's got a did you get the note of where this wife first name because it came in a different note I'd like to say what's up to a couple of your listeners Mike commuting P town and his girlfriend Becca. I'd like to say what's up? Okay What's up? And giving my brother Sean some automotive karma and throwing a hey citizen two to the head in there Thanks keep it up okay well sorry that was fired a citizen You've got karma. That's your camera right there actually I like that one yeah Jason Rutherford and Ferrer Australia somewhere or other Hey Beavis and butthead well, I'm gonna let you know that you suck for forgetting my karma on Sunday But then every man is only last seven days so in the end this would work better So now you don't suck what did we do wrong? Did we do something we wouldn't do something wrong

1:56:36 But that's what I know of 6666 is using the power of 3333 times 2 for a double shot great show guys Just an observation. I want to mention the last donation I said there has been a couple of months since I had listened to the best podcast in the universe Is it just me or as in that time John has become less of a buzzkill? Is that you think so, I think you've come over to my side a bit Yeah No, yeah Christmas must have been good You haven't come up with enough crackpot stuff Christmas must have been and besides you know Yeah, because those might have been good. I'm returning home on Saturday and need all the karma in the universe can send my way Please send a karma shot followed by a milf and 33 is the magic number Don't forget the Karma another shout out to my wife's but he wants Karma at the beginning yeah Shout out that my wife's blog has been positive sending positive energy blah blah It's mainly for women in the audience it got some good over the list. Yeah, lipstick confessions dotnet We looked at that yeah, okay?

CHAPTER 23 / 33 Discussion

Drone Night Poster, Art Heist Recovery Reward

The hosts discuss a collectible poster from "Drone Night" and share a story about a producer who claims to have located stolen art from a major heist eight years ago. The producer expects a multi-million dollar reward from the government and plans to share a portion with the show upon recovery.

drone night· art heist· reward· recovery· new york city

1:57:32 I think it's mainly because what you used to scoff, you know years ago when we first started he would scoff at my crazy outlet that's just crazy this is crazy. You know but yeah Yeah, I just keep coming back like I proved that they were beat me down I proved that there were tsunami bombs, you know earthquake machines, you know The more I just keep coming back with facts and science You just can't refute it. That's the whole problem. You've got karma. Alright, so where were we? Okay Daniel Grace in Tempe Arizona 6105 ITM in the past two episodes

1:58:28 The past two episodes were fantastic! Even though I could put this toward groceries, you all deserve it. For my five children for them to eat... Please give me a shot of short sale, is what he means. Karma and give me a shot of karma to our drone night in New York City Let's not forget the work He did and let him know he's not alone Yes And the way we say that it lets remember The work he did because your brain parses that incorrectly and of course We yeah, we always and I'm in touch with him then more good. We're working with him He's uh you're in touch with them get us some of those posters That poster is so collectible. I want one

1:59:08 You'll get one. Guaranteed collectible. I wanna s- Wow... Wow, and uh..I can probably get it with a signature and the certificate of authenticity. In a series of ten. Okay, so this Christopher's grace with out of Toron bridge can't sends a note I donated $60 for this Thursday show and forgot to attach my notice in an email if you catch this email read the following I'm donating to celebrate Adam and Mickey successful return from the evil clutches of Starfleet command But also to encourage you to keep producing the best podcast in the universe It's also my brother Thomas 29th birthday. Can you put him on the list Tom all-out? no Tom from

1:59:59 From Christopher? Yeah. Tom from Christopher. And when's his birthday? The 29th, on Friday tomorrow. How old will he be? Doesn't say. Okay Finally I may be asking too much but can Adam dig up the clip that explains everything the incomprehensible foreigner ranting from a few weeks back because i think it's hysterical and then he wants to round of karma for everybody what...I know what is talking about yeah it was one your clips I know exactly what he's talking about, but see if you had sent me the email? I just got the email. Just opened it You know this show is done you know we do that We don't do this that-we don't pre produce the show! We don't spend days in advance This came in as the last minute Hey why don't you get on my jockstrap will ya? Jeez... You've got karma I have a feeling that was 478 maybe

2:00:59 Um... I'm gonna look back, i got them all printed out. If you could print- I know exactly which one he's talking about. Really? Because I don't remember it! Yeah yeah yeah It was the clip that explains everything Was it before the new year? Had to be because I don't see any of my rundowns Wait a minute what happened to we don't produce anything but yet you've got rundowns?! I just have my list of clips that I printed out All this is the email I send to you With little notations next to the clips, but it's a room as close to a run down as I'm ever gonna get um Nine. I know exactly what he's talking about we'll dig it up and then they will maybe bring it back up in the d-block ah Yes D block Yeah, let's do that

2:02:00 Brandon Arendale in Lakeway, Texas 5777. IMT says Abraham and Jarrett coming from right up the road in Lakeway long time boner first-time donor yeah we haven't been to Boner meme enough being a senior in high school I found it especially difficult to hit my peers in the mouth. After three failed, that I can imagine... Yeah! ...after three failed attempts, I decided that i just had to contribute through some hard-earned cash Please give me a de-douching followed by some much needed college acceptance karma as I wait to hear whether or not I will be drowning myself in debt for my first choice schools All righty here we go

2:02:43 You've got karma. Check it out. We commit for the year 2015 all together for ASEAN and ASEAN for peace and ASEAN for development if Cambodia develop and Cambodia well known for the world, it means ASEAN well known for the world too! Did I nail him or what? Mm-hmm November 18th Yeah that one That's how far back it went That guy yeah he was good He was like what okay Scott Olson in San Diego, California 5633 and he has a bunch of Spanish in here which I can't pronounce. I finally caught up with the holidays and know you hate that but chronology is how I listen to the best podcasts in the universe chronological I mean uh... which I personally hate! I want to thank Armando for the excellent advice about the TSA concierge service. I was flying home another story here it comes ladies and gentlemen. I was flying home after spending Christmas with family in the frozen Minnesota tundra

2:03:41 when I wound up in a security line that only had the bogative ProVision ATD body scanners and I decided to opt out. Opt out! Mail assist, mail assist, opt out! Called the TSA slave for the bellboy Are you sure you want to opt-out? These aren't the kind that use x-rays and pass up the opportunity to have my bags carried for me? No way! So, the nice bellhop had me point out my bags and escorted me into a quiet corner with an excellent view of other slaves going through their ProVision scanners. He gave me a nice light massage although if he was expecting a tip... ...he should've massaged my lower back some more

2:04:23 It was a bit out of sorts from the long drive to the airport. And they let me go on my way after I put my shoes, belt and other accessories back in my own quiet corner. Such service! Thanks for the tip Armando! I'm happy you and Marisol made it back to Gitmo Nation alright. I'll take two to the head, shut up at science...and karma. Stop already! Science! You've got karma. Wow, great note That's it. That is exactly that's that is the difference that and that is the difference between someone who listens to the best podcast in the universe and these Well aware and awake and the rest of the slaves, that's the difference They're like nervous or annoyed or whatever No, no none of that Yeah know that in fact I think that defines the difference although he did not bring up the what you liked it from

2:05:19 Promote which is going through the age to priority line. Well, this is this I don't know one there's yeah It's weird that people are not doing that because that really in that and that gets you so it enhances experience Its first class all the way Douglas Kuhlman and shelvin Minnesota a lot of Minnesotans in today where they're frozen up there They got us stay inside 55 double niggles on the dime. ITM, Mr Blank and Mr Blank, The Knights doing an admirable job of supporting the best podcast ITU in the universe. I'd like to call on all the Minute Men to pony up a 5510 contribution this slow donation month, and it is! I must add as simple thanks for what you do to liven up my existence. Oh wow. Well he's... Minute Man Doug in Aleda Minnesota. Gitmo God forsaken frozen great northwoods nuts

2:06:16 Nuts. David Trotsky, double nickels on the dime no comment Kyle Kinzel in Green Bay Wisconsin another cold area If you guys are disinformation you are some really really good disinformation Hell yeah You don't get paid enough to do disinformation but it could happen Yeah at any moment Start seeing advertisements and know more of these donation segments you know we've been compromised But by the way we will only be compromised for the big bucks And you'll know. Yeah, you'll know. Can I tell... Well now I'll tell ya after the interview. No, tell me! One of our producers is in kind-of law enforcement like an agency type thing and through his work and what he's been doing He has on the trail There was a huge art heist

2:07:20 Like eight years ago, and he now has located where these pieces of art are I'm being really cagey for a reason. Yeah, it's fine Just give us the punchline but there's a reward and uh... and because it's a government official reward along with you know the of the owner or the rightful owner of the art award it's less substantial amount of money is like millions and millions of dollars and he says that he's ninety five percent confident he's going to be able to recover this art and give it back and he will accept the award and he will then fly to america and hand us

2:08:02 portion he will make a huge donation okay so good to me meet him in New York City so when you so when you hear why do New York you can go to New York I can go to New York and we'll you know it's a wing it when you hear us like drinking it up come on this show wasted did you know that I don't have no clips man I didn't feel like doing We're living it up. Okay, we're not living it up yet Richard Tomo and $50 and 20 you had a question for me You said did by the way I'm gonna bring it about okay deal with the donation I gave money in memory of AS because I felt his body of work had a connection with you that Aaron Swartz

CHAPTER 24 / 33 Discussion

Aaron Swartz RSS Contribution, RSS 1.0 vs 2.0

The technical legacy of Aaron Swartz is clarified, specifically his involvement with the RSS 1.0 specification. The hosts explain the historical "fork" between RSS 1.0 and the more commonly used RSS 2.0 (developed by Dave Weiner), correcting media reports that credit Swartz with the version used for modern blogging and podcasting.

aaron swartz· rss· dave winer· atom· web standards

2:08:49 Oh, okay. The RSS feed is something you touted instead of being a closed social networking system like Facelift. Okay we just... Facelift! Did he write Facelift? No he wrote Facebook Can I just say something this is incorrect. I really have to butt in here Because this is again, here's something I happen to know about and it's being misreported. RSS 1.0 is not what you use on your blog. It is certainly not what you use for your podcast in fact Barely used it's its equivalent. It's it's the same to RSS is Adam is to RSS ATOM RSS 1.0 was actually the way I recall it Dave Weiner actually fought against that and and And belittled it

2:09:42 And in fact, Aaron wrote about this. That it was crap and confusing and messy and then 0.92 that is what the New York Times started using and that is what the blogs really started using before they went to 2.0 which had enclosure so 1.0 never really was what you see on your blogs Okay, it was a branch that went nowhere. It's very important because people are saying that oh you know the Aaron he created RSS and I think you made your point yeah, and I think fork is right worry what did I call him branch? It said branch well I don't know what the hell I'm talking on pilot

2:10:27 Anyway, he goes on to say we're both information Robin Hoods. I meant to do it in honor of both you two about this other thing He says you ran see I was bummed to hear you rant about him after John called out the comment I know it's your show But I wanted let you know the essence of the gesture I can tell you're sensitive guy so I feel you can appreciate where I'm coming from anyways lamenting I agree with your value for value model which is one of the main reasons i've nearly given $200 over this past six months. Thank you! I can get my information from a ton of places, of course they're all not like your source but I want to support your mission more than anything else.

2:11:04 But it's cool to be part of something bigger than yourself. Richard, I... 26 cents he is a loaner that was from parts unknown And it's appreciated and totally appreciate the donation Yes! I do think AS totally wasn't information Robin Hood Just had to set that little thing straight Abhinay Mehta No, I think you missed one Oh, Sarah. Sorry, sorry Sarah. Sarah Milligan in Sparks Nevada which has a casino $50 Antoine and Juan my husband Matt Milligan has listened to you guys for about the past year and is always smacking me with your whack job conspiracy theories oh wait this is gonna get good all right I cut him off from donating several months back so we could save some money for my unpaid maternity leave

CHAPTER 25 / 33 Discussion

Maternity Leave Confessions, AT&T Roaming Scams

A listener confesses to cutting off her husband's donations during an unpaid maternity leave before becoming addicted to the show herself. This leads to a discussion on international data roaming scams, with the hosts sharing anecdotes about $3,500 phone bills and negotiating with AT&T for "consideration" on overages.

maternity leave· at&t· roaming charges· bulgaria· finland

2:11:58 We've gotten a new human resource four months ago. I've gotten addicted to your show over the past few weeks and now i feel guilty for cutting him off! You actually do bring value for value so thanks for that please douche us both for cutting you off and give us a shot shut up at science finally, I asked my own shut-up slave karma since I'm now back to work in good old corporate America he's enjoying paternity leave Thanks!

2:12:39 That's very kind. I'm happy to see that. She admitted, she confessed. Todays show has a lot of confessions. Can you imagine what kind of upper hand her husband Matt has now? He's just walking around like, he got the I told you so. Oh yeah oh he's like oh yeah really it's gonna rain today uh do i have to remind you about that thing? Rain sticks exactly You want right well do I have to remind you know about Noah Jenner was I right about that So we got Abhine Meta Meta Meta m-e-h-t-a in Wembley UK $50

2:13:22 I'm Abhinae, Abs his name. Abs for short from the UK and I just donated 50 but forgot to add a message to the donation of only been listening your show since this shows fifth birthday which happened to be on the same day as my 33rd birthday that would be the fourth birthday because we don't have a fifth birthday yet what do you mean oh no we don't know we had a 5th birthdays in 500 Wow I think you're talking about facelifts instead of Facebook you don't know how old we are I'm kidding. You know, i do the best i can on the water they give me! I was just a little concerned Your shows are the highlight of my week and i've been trying to hit a lot of people in their mouth and tell them about you but you gotta get people that are already kind of thinking this way because nobody cares now i used to listen to Leo's shows alot and John was always my favorite guest so god knows what took me so long to finally hear from you guys

2:14:13 I'm now unsubscribed to Leo's shows and get enough time for no agenda. I need some de-douching for only donating twice in some karma as i am serious need of some hookers and blow. You've been de-douched! Well, he'll get there... You've got karma. Chris Witten in Millboro Virginia $50 thanks for reminding me what you guys do is extremely rare and valuable Which is true. I would truly be sad if you guys had to find something else to pay the bills and he would like a Shut up science ITM karma shut up already Science in the morning You've got karma Oh Another email you haven't opened yet

2:15:15 I knew it with no email. Windsor, Ontario's Jack Schroeder sent us $50. Andrew Gardner, sir Andrew Gardner to you from Mechanicsville Maryland. Mechanicsville is that really the name of that town? Well its a No Agenda Racing Team Yeah I know but Mechanicville think about it. Maryland Spook Center. 50 bucks. I need some travel karma Saturday I'm driving 10 hours to Jackson this is our racing team Florida pick up my new motorcycle agenda racing team 10 hours back on Sunday follow no agenda racing at no agenda racing on The tweeters I'm also trying to find a digital version of the face of the night ring any help would be appreciated. We have one somewhere Could you could you get someone to send that to him because he's probably gonna put that on the bike? That's why I'll have to send it too, but I think I have it somewhere out there look maybe Eric DeShill has a travel karma

2:16:09 You've got karma. And BTW, JCD... We need to change the rings at noagendanation dot com to pins! At noagendanation dot com Uh yeah I mean i know it's a lot of work and stuff It's not, Derek can do that, its his domain Oh has he agreed to do the pins? No He's not doing tha- I don't know who's we're gonna do the pins somehow We're working on the pins Don't talk about the pins Okay, so Chris Lewinsky sir. Did you just tell me to shut up? No I never said I never say shut up not like you do that to me sir Chris Lewinsky in Alberta Who you know Alberta by the way?

2:16:56 Sorry, I can't keep a straight face. You're looking for another email? Is that what you're doing? Yeah... I can't keep a straight face! By the way that's not fair. I never tell you to shut up. You have done that. When have I done it? Have I said shut-up? Have I literally said shut-up to you? Never. Yes if you want me to dig him up I can do it. Sir Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park Alberta with no comment sends us a nice $50 he does this commonly sir Marinoff our buddy Borislav and Eliso Viejo which I love to say $50 is one of the few things i can pronounce that people don't quite see it right. Sending karma back in time work, send some more to Sir Yassin for speedy recovery

2:17:33 By the way, I had the same experience with AT&T when i was in Bulgaria Except that they charged me $2.98 a minute even though the roaming was through an AT&T subsidiary in Bulgaria No yeah it's a rip! That's scam It's a rip so I called and they recommended that when The billing cycle is over that I call and then ask for some consideration. Imagine if you have to blow some AT&T rep on the phone? Yep! And will it work? Yep! Oh, okay cool. They'll give you about 50% off Really?! Yeah Wow Okay

2:18:09 Eric got screwed on one of these deals. First time he went to Finland because he was doing some work for the family, it's Finnish and so first time I think he is floating around Europe by himself So he goes to Finland And I guess he had his phone set up so data roaming was turned on And it was tagging. He wasn't even on the internet, he said he didn't use the phone! But it was apparently tagging home just routinely looking for messages and it billed $3500 bucks Anyway Marinoff says that he left him at the company after came back and wants to welcome you two back home along with other people who gave lesser amounts also welcome you back home That will be our donation segment for today's show

2:18:55 479, please go to Dvorak.org slash NA for 480 which is a good number That's right. We're coming at you 500. Moving towards 500 What are we doing? Are we doing something special for 500 do you have anything cooked up, any pre-production programming notes that you'd like to share with the group Any packages? Packages? Dblock? Dblock packages? Why don't you think about that? devorah.org slash n a But seriously people We had a lot of smaller amounts, very nice. But we need... Yeah and we do appreciate the lesser amounts. Especially the subscriptions I got another note from someone who got unsubscribed from donating it just happens all the time check your documentation and check your subscriptions

CHAPTER 26 / 33 Discussion

North Korea Marijuana Policy, C-Mike Human Resource

A report suggests that marijuana is legal and government-supplied in North Korea as a means of population control. Additionally, the hosts celebrate the arrival of a "fifth human resource" for listener C-Mike in Kansas City, following a karma request in the previous episode.

north korea· marijuana· population control· human resource· birth announcement

2:19:46 Because it's all that we have to go on. So please, please I beg of you did you want to discuss something now or was something you wanted to talk about? Yeah there was something uh was interesting a JC brought up did you know that North Korea is a big... You know talking about trying to calm the nerves of the public We do it through the pharmaceutical companies Did you know North Korea does it with marijuana Really? The government supplies the pot. I said, you sure this isn't a hoax and he claims he got it from the North Korean news site It's legal to have marijuana in North Korea and it's free! The government provides free pot for the whole population if they want You wanna smoke pot, you go to North Korea No wonder they all have crazy hairdos And it says... Hey dude let me cut your hair

2:20:37 They say it keeps the population under control which is an interesting theory because you know we could do the same thing yeah, but they're not working really hard. That's the problem It's like Jamaica Don't worry It's your birthday, birthday! I don't know what you've done. First of all, I'd like to say hello to C-Mike in Kansas City He and his wife finally got their fifth human resource who arrived after we gave him karma on 478 Only an hour and 45 minutes Oh no, I'm sorry, hour and 56 minutes They're fastest yet Yay! Good girl yay

CHAPTER 27 / 33 Discussion

Dame Sydney Nussbaum, Knighting Ceremony Perks

Sydney Nussbaum is officially dubbed a Dame of the No Agenda Roundtable, completing a triple-knighthood for the Nussbaum family. The hosts recite the traditional list of "perks" associated with the title, including rent boys, Chardonnay, and mutton.

knighting· damehood· nussbaum· perks· ceremony

2:21:26 And further we have Justin Robinson who congratulates his wife Elisa. She turns 24 today, send pictures and Christopher Sprace says happy birthday to his brother Tom he celebrates on Friday Happy Birthday from all your friends here at the best podcast in the universe! Sure wasn't Elise? Elisa Oh, okay. E-L-Y S-S-A Elisa? I would say that was SSE. Well we'll find out. We've covered it by me bringing it up and done there you go and we have a we have the third ceremony for the Nussbaum family clan yeah clan that's right plan once you grab your blade their areas okay and we will where is oh there it is and we will ask Sydney to step forward

2:22:20 Sidney, it looks like you are a dame! Thanks to Sir Nussbaum and Saint Nicole we are very proud to... What is it called? A daming. The Dame you I guess right yeah, well dame you here. You go we hear I pronounce the Dame Sydney Dame of the knowledge on a roundtable and we've got some rewards for you rent boys and Chardonnay hookers and blow hot pants and booze winches beer rouganats lemon rosé guys she's in sake Vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider and escorts and mutton and mead which may be your choice although? I'd say that rent boys and chardonnay are pretty good this time of year And you're reading that

2:23:03 No, I'm not. You have a list you read? No! In fact, I even do it in different order all the time. I usually end up with mutton and meat but today because it's a day I didn't start with hookers and blow I started with rent boys and chardonnay It's pretty easy one...I mean I'd do it twice a week But what twice a week? Well if we have a...we usually have a nighting so then I mention the perks of the nighting Okay okay I'll take your word for it I believe everything you say A good story in the news, a good story in the news. German gold! German gold!!

CHAPTER 28 / 33 Discussion

German Gold Repatriation, Federal Reserve Vaults

Germany's Central Bank announces plans to repatriate $36 billion in gold bullion currently stored in New York and Paris for safety since the Cold War. The hosts question the relatively small valuation of the gold and speculate on whether the bars in the vaults have been replaced with tungsten.

germany· gold bullion· federal reserve· tungsten· cold war

2:23:40 Yeah, he thinks gonna happen with this. Well the German gold is that some of Germans want a clip play my clothes Some Germans want to see their goal don't they isn't that what's going on? Germany Central Bank has announced that it will repatriate most of the gold bullion It sent two volts aboard for safety during the Cold War The gold was sent in New York and Paris because of fears it would be captured in the event of a Soviet invasion The gold is worth some thirty six billion dollars there it is Hey, Timmy before you leave could you drop the gold off? Yeah that's not gonna happen. How did they what do they want to was the ship the gold to him I guess so it makes sense where is it being stored in New York I thought that was in the building that collapsed WTC 7 maybe was in there

2:24:31 Yeah, no. I've been hearing this gold thing for a while and everyone wants it and then the Queen of England was looking at her gold It's just to make the slaves think that there is really some gold somewhere And someone has it but I don't think its in the vault somewhere In Gitmo Nation But how much did she say? 36 billion? That all Well, that's all Germany has in gold. Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't seem like very much No, it doesn't seem like much to me 36 billion they've given more to Greece. Yeah That's all the money is different doesn't make any sense. That's all the gold they have And how much of that is tungsten? That's what I'd like to know

CHAPTER 29 / 33 Discussion

Mali Conflict, French Oil Interests in North Africa

The military intervention in Mali is analyzed as a resource war rather than a counter-terrorism operation against Al-Qaeda. The hosts link the conflict to Total Oil and Qatar Petroleum's interests in newly discovered gas fields on the Mali-Algeria border, suggesting the U.S. is providing support to secure French corporate assets.

mali· algeria· total oil· qatar petroleum· somalia

2:25:18 Keep the tungsten in the middle bars. That's my advice So there's a lot going on as as mentioned on this very program best podcasting universe in Mali In Mali and oh boy by coincidence, Algeria and that is not really a coincidence because the two are of course right next to each other. Let me play this little clip, little giblet here from some news program and then I will explain for the very same reason that the United States has gotten involved in situations in Yemen and Somalia and Pakistan The US is now entering into what's happening in this Western African nation okay so this is Mali

2:25:59 to stop Al Qaeda. This is not exactly what I said? Is it not the exact wording that I said terrorism, al-Qaeda, Hizmallah! Please look at the book yeah we this is I have to look in the old book this is re spotted this long time back here's what Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said just yesterday here you go We have a responsibility to go after Al-Qaeda wherever they are. Whoa! Is that in the Constitution? Apparently we have a responsibility... To go after al Qaeda, wherever they are. So that's that. We have a responsibility to make sure that Al-Qaeda does not establish a base for operations in North Africa and Mali

2:26:51 Quote, a rebel group has been aligning with Al-Qaeda to try to take over the government here and they have been gaining territory. And this is why we mentioned France moment ago This is why France has entered the conflict Now do we really believe this bullcrap that France entered the conflict because of Al Qaeda? No Total Oil, The French company was doing exploration has been doing exploration in Mali with the Qatar Petroleum Company. Oh gee, how coincidental! Isn't that a coincidence? Like our best friends... Of course they were both also involved in Libya and what we did with Qaddafi And France has essentially been funding the Tuaregs

2:27:41 This goes back to the 60s I think, to destabilize the government there and essentially set up an oil state run by the French by proxy. And next door in Algeria, so we've had these big gas fields that have been discovered right on the border of Mali and Algeria. Now you probably heard about some bull crap, oh we got oil... uh... oil company employees are they've been there kidnapped and all that's in the troops now president obama has signed a and one of those executive uh... to presidential directives i'm saying troops can go in and going out we gotta help our buddies gonna help the french what is going on once again your you're you're money your are common resources are being used

2:28:38 oil wars to kick out people like the Italians and I'm not quite sure what they did wrong, but What's the name of the it's ena eni. I think it's called ENI that's the Italian Oil and gas group they pulled out of Mali Just a couple weeks ago just before all of this started and they gave back all of their licenses They had all the licenses to this very area where this is taking place, so I'm not quite sure What happened there or what the Italians did wrong? But they screwed something up and the French

2:29:16 with collaboration from us Americans went in there and are taking everything back. And of course, we're clearing everything out and we sell that to you as terrorism, make sure the terrorists don't take it. It's our duty wherever there is terrorism in Al-Qaeda, we have to go in and take care of it but its once again 100% about oil and gas new discoveries all you have to do is just read and find the information Let's finish this report. The funding mechanism for the UN mission is still being worked out, but we are assuming that the US will be asked to contribute significantly as we did to the Somalia operation. So to get a jump on that, we're using some of our existing funding that we already have in the budget and will be going to Congress for additional funding over the coming days

2:30:32 It's so brazen how they do this. Hey, you know and we'll just take your money and we're going to spend your money on making our friends at oil companies rich! And we're going to blow up a bunch of citizens in the meantime...and there are probably some weddings that we can drone. Now the president is doing more with the French he sent a letter to uh the Speaker of the House And here's a letter, January 13th. He says, Dear Mr Speaker! On January 11 2013 French forces conducted an operation in Somalia Now if you look at the map, Somalia is all the way on the other side of Africa Of course what's in Somalia? Oil

2:31:14 And what are the French doing there? Well, they say they attempted to rescue a French citizen being held hostage by Al-Shabaab. As you know once it's all about al Qaeda and affiliated forces we can do whatever we want very important that is what we do so United States forces provided limited technical support to the French forces in that operation but took no direct part in the assault on the compound where was believed the French citizen was being held hostage So the president has to copy these things So we're just, now we're the butt boy of the French total oil company. And no one reports on this in a fashion that makes it understandable as to what's actually going on but it is going to be happening all over Africa. Yeah probably. Somalia I can't get worked up about it It's like... No-one is gonna cover it properly We could do a report on it

2:32:17 And it is definitely, I mean one of the things involved you know a natural gas refinery. It's not even as though they can't leave the oil out of this story but they've managed to do that by kind of covering it up with this bull crap about Al Qaeda They actually do manage to leave it out of the story. How do you leave it out? I mean, there was... It happened in an oil field is about oil if they did their roaming around or that they stole refinery workers that kidnapped a bunch of refinery workers That seems to be at Oil Connection doesn't it yeah I don't know, and I find the whole thing troubling. Yeah people are just so dumbed down that they're like, ah whatever... Kidnap! Kidnap! Kidnap! Kidnap in Al Qaeda! Two key words. Hey how's global warming coming? It's going well. Are you sure because it was freezing last night here though. Didn't they say years ago that the poor British school children would never see snow only in a snow globe? You know there is something you got to get straight about this global warming thing

CHAPTER 30 / 33 Discussion

Global Warming Contradictions, UK Snowfall

The heavy snowfall in Eastern Britain is contrasted with previous scientific assertions that children in England would never see snow again due to global warming. The hosts mock the shifting rhetoric of "climate change" that attempts to explain both extreme heat and extreme cold as results of the same phenomenon.

global warming· climate change· snow· england· science

2:33:16 It varies. These assertions change depending on how the wind blows, the assertion's changed so yes they said that...they assertively said with full you know all because of science is in and all the rest of it they said without equivocation That it would never snow again in England and the children would never see a snowflake. Much of Eastern Britain has been under a blanket of snow for days now, and the forecast is for more widespread falls over the next 24 hours. Shut up already! It's science! The worst is likely to be in the West... My daughter still in Amsterdam she's freezing her ass off too. I'm sure. This just-it's like

2:34:08 And you know, but of course you can't say this because if you say this then then your life yeah that they jump all over Yeah Because it is because of the climate change That there's like holding a refrigerator door open or something. I think that's the way it's been explained to me I get a little confused and don't forget the hottest year on record so ever ever in the universe So I got a Hannity clip which i just want to draw, I don't want to do it today but I just want you to be aware of it. I may be dropping in here and there because I think its just...you put this at the end any of our clips God forbid you put logic common sense and reason and real analysis behind it Really? Yeah really. I dont know if its hmmm so do you know anything about these Kurdish activists that were murdered in Paris yeah the four women three

CHAPTER 31 / 33 Discussion

Kurdish Activist Murders, Turkish Oil Interests

The execution-style murder of three Kurdish activists in Paris is discussed within the context of the long-standing conflict between Turkey and the PKK. The hosts suggest the underlying tension is driven by territory and oil rights in northern Iraq rather than purely ethnic or religious hatred.

kurds· turkey· pkk· paris· oil

2:35:02 Oh my god. I miscounted, um yeah they were shot ex- they were killed execution style? Remember we talked about the PPK before i think Yeah well this is uh so they live in northern Iraq and uh the Turks hate them Yeah the Turks hate him Why do they hate him John I don't know. The Turks hate various ethnic groups, it probably has to do with the...I have no idea. I don't know the history of hatred with the Kurds. I think because they want to steal some land because the Turks are very protective of their territory and they don't want to give up a huge chunk of it

2:35:41 Which is probably oil bearing to a bunch of currency. Yeah, that would make sense. The whole Kurdish area in Iraq is all oil country That would make sense yeah so if it's not about terrorism then its religion but really has nothing to do with that because it's always about God Gold, oil and drugs. West Territory. Gold Oil & Drugs We're no letting Texas secede? That ain't gonna happen They haven't had to kill anybody yet. I have an interesting clip from Ray LaHood that's got new information Wait a minute, you don't want to do the Kurd thing? By the way, Ray LaHood is Department of Transportation Secretary and I watched him speak And now I hate just determining by looking at someone that they're complete idiots and probably have IQ about 92 So i'm not going to say anything but just play this clip Today it's up to 12 billion The countries that I went to in visited in the first two years Of my time on this job

CHAPTER 32 / 33 Discussion

Ray LaHood High-Speed Rail, Infrastructure Subsidies

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood's vision for a national high-speed rail network is criticized as an inefficient "retro" project. The hosts argue that the plan primarily benefits private rail owners like Warren Buffett by using taxpayer money to upgrade rail beds that should be maintained by the private sector.

ray lahood· high-speed rail· department of transportation· warren buffett· subsidies

2:36:34 There was a common denominator, a common theme in every country. The national government made investments in passenger rail and finally with President Obama's vision we have a leader who has made the commitment to get our country into high-speed passenger rail and it is a strong commitment and will continue Our goal and our dream is to connect 80% of the country over the next 25 years. Imagine boarding a train in the center of the city, no racing to an airport and across the terminal, no delays, no sitting on the tarmac, no lost luggage, no taking off your shoes... 80% really?

2:37:26 That would take quite a while I think. Well 25 years. Is that what they want to do? Let's go back in time and you know we went on about how great the interstate system is and of course we already know the calculations trucks are more efficient than rail, uh and air transportation... We've got the best air transportation system from city-to-city which served the whole country with airplanes of various sorts when there were those rail services, back to the 50s when we had trains that would do 100 miles an hour. These won't go any faster. What is the point of this retro? Oh I'm sorry why am i even bringing it up we need to fix the rail beds in this country put a high-speed rail on so Warren Buffett and all these other guys can have nice high speed rail beds for their trains so they don't have to make the investment that they should be making

2:38:20 And by the way, I don't think that's any different than a city of San Francisco building an airport for United Airlines. Right? Do they do that? Yeah but airlines don't build these airports and most sports franchises don't build the stadiums Well it's a little different...I have to disagree with you Because the airport is typically a money-making operation. The airlines pay for ramp fees and for fueling, and there's concessions etc., but the airlines don't pay for a track in the sky you see? This is the difference they're just flying through free space and air that's the difference

2:39:07 Well, I'm just saying that there are things the government is paying for to benefit private companies. Oh you mean like killing brown people in Africa? To benefit oil companies. Yeah okay just want to make sure but don't worry because they're brown thats the good news and they don't speak English They speak French! So did you have an end of show clip or... You know this lobotomy clip keeps coming up it. I would set that we could play this clip is kind of depressing what?

2:39:43 But since we got low donations, I'm playing it. Not to mention it. So Joe Kennedy was covered in a book called Patriarch by Professor David Nassau and he had an answer session on one of the C-SPAN shows Book TV And they discussed a couple of things One is that apparently Joe Kennedy was never a bootlegger and I have a clip that discusses this but without explaining that And then there was the story about Joe Kennedy's, one of his daughters and Joe Kennedy is of course the father JFK and the rest. It was kind of a weird character. If you ever see this thing on C-SPAN you should watch this lecture

CHAPTER 33 / 33 Discussion

Rosemary Kennedy Lobotomy, Joseph Kennedy Patriarch Analysis

The program concludes with a detailed historical account of Rosemary Kennedy's lobotomy, based on the book *Patriarch* by David Nassau. The summary describes how Joseph Kennedy sought the procedure to manage his daughter's violent outbursts, the medical failure that left her incapacitated, and her subsequent hidden life in a Wisconsin convent.

rosemary kennedy· joseph kennedy· lobotomy· nobel prize· david nassau

2:39:07 Well, I'm just saying that there are things the government is paying for to benefit private companies. Oh you mean like killing brown people in Africa? To benefit oil companies. Yeah okay just want to make sure but don't worry because they're brown thats the good news and they don't speak English They speak French! So did you have an end of show clip or... You know this lobotomy clip keeps coming up it. I would set that we could play this clip is kind of depressing what?

2:39:43 But since we got low donations, I'm playing it. Not to mention it. So Joe Kennedy was covered in a book called Patriarch by Professor David Nassau and he had an answer session on one of the C-SPAN shows Book TV And they discussed a couple of things One is that apparently Joe Kennedy was never a bootlegger and I have a clip that discusses this but without explaining that And then there was the story about Joe Kennedy's, one of his daughters and Joe Kennedy is of course the father JFK and the rest. It was kind of a weird character. If you ever see this thing on C-SPAN you should watch this lecture

2:40:23 Anyway, he had his daughter. He gave her a lobotomy because she was a troublemaker himself No, he didn't do it himself but this guy actually Apologizes for he says it wasn't a there wasn't A crazy thing to do at the time and you hear this story and you go geez what a weird family is where? Actually he that there was a hole made in someone's head And they and they pull out a piece of your brain no no not all oh Lobotomy was cutting the connections between the frontal lobes and the rest of the brain. There's a couple little areas you just cut these little, you just nick these two areas and it disconnects the frontal lobes from the rest of the brain And it could be done because it was being done apparently in Central Park by certain doctors It could be done as what is called when you go in and leave right afterwards The dentist?

2:41:11 You could send a little wire behind the eyeball and reach around and clip it from that way. And I think this is most of where it was done. Alright, you're creeping me out now. Yeah well this whole thing is creepy but if we have a better donation segment on Sunday then I won't play anything like this again. And with that! I will say that I am here in the capital of the Drone Star State in Austin Texas... ...and my name is Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak We will be back We'll be back on Sunday, right here on NO Agenda. Any comments on the lobotomy story with his daughter Rosemary being done so that she would not embarrass the Kennedys and keep the boys from becoming president? Yeah I spent a lot of time and did an awful lot of research and found all sorts of stuff No! You can blame Kennedy for lots and lots and lots of stuff but not for this

2:42:17 He loved that child. When he moved all the other children back to the United States, when Germany... when World War II began He kept Rosemary with him in England because she was doing really well at a school and he looked after her And when you see the pictures or read the letters I mean, he loved this child Everybody knew she was slow But that was okay. She didn't, you know... It was okay but as she grew older and as she was slow but smart enough to understand that her brothers and sisters were going out in the world we're going to dances, we're going sailing, playing golf You know, her brothers and sister 10 years younger could play by themselves on the front lawn And she couldn't! She wasn't allowed too

2:43:21 She became increasingly angry, violent. She had a temper. She was no longer this sweet little girl. She was an angry big woman of 1920-21 and Kennedy as he did with all his children took charge. Rose didn't. He did. And he went and sought the best medical advice and the medical advice was get her a lobotomy In this period of time, the lobotomy was the preferred intervention. There were critics of course but the man who did the lobotomy, the inventor of the lobotomy won a Nobel Prize for medicine. The man who performed the lobotomy on the team that performed the lobotomy was a neurosurgeon from Yale and you know the head of Johns Hopkins

2:44:19 And they said to Kennedy, she's still going to be slow but we're going to do this operation and she is not going to be angry. She is not going to be unhappy. She is not going to be discontent. She'll be a happy child again and the lobotomy went dreadfully wrong and she came out of it a vegetable. She eventually learned to walk but she never spoke again. She didn't communicate. Her intelligence had been that of a six, seven, eight year old. Now it was that of the six month old and for two years after that Kennedy was the only one who kept in touch with her. He didn't... Rose didn't write her. In Rose's round robin letters to the family Rose would write the whole family and say X is doing this Y is doing this. Rosemary disappeared from family correspondence

2:45:16 Kennedy continued to visit her and he finally found a place for her. He wanted to put her in Boston, in a place near Boston, the Cardinal Cushing home for retarded children. And Cardinal Cushing said don't do it because you can't protect the family's privacy and you can't protect your privacy and you can't protect her privacy most of all so they moved her to a convent home in Wisconsin All that I understand. What I don't understand is that once he put her in this home and she was well cared for, he never saw her again."

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