Obama Needs Water

00:00 This is no agenda. It's Adam Curry and John C. DeVore. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Sunday, April 3rd, 2011, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 292. This is no agenda. Free speech, it's a great idea, but we're at war here at the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, the People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Gitmo Nation Glass Buildings, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Gitmo Nation Glass Buildings. I've got glass buildings everywhere I look. On the road again, eh, my friend?

00:43 I'll tell you, you know, I'm in New York City, which is also Gitmo Nation glass buildings, and there's a bunch of clouds flying around and they're reflecting off the glass buildings and it's actually quite a sight. You sure it's not persistent JetCon trails? These are big old cumuluses. A couple of nimbuses are flying by. So what's the deal, man? Why are you in New York? uh... well miss my daughter's uh... spring break and she had a choice of doing a bunch of different things and uh... let's see can cool with my friends getting drunk and run around naked or is in high school in new york with my dad let me think in which was quite a few she uh... as looking at colleges and so i have to drag her around because she's using various places she's wants to go and i'm and it's just basically uh... uh...

01:30 Just seeing dollar signs flying past my oh, yeah Yeah, I expect to be broke after it's the joy of making a decision. Yeah, that's a beautiful thing So she's here looking to some places and in the process since she's in performing art She you know did we have to go see a few plays? Oh, yeah, actually so we saw a couple so far and we're gonna try to see spider-man. Yeah, that's that's what we want the review of Yeah, well actually the most interesting play, if I just get off of a slight tangent here, which I think helps me appreciate why people like our show.

02:07 was the opening of the preview of which it was a big hit play in London called Jerusalem. And Jerusalem's a... and everybody was kind of... the audience liked it but I think there's a lot of anglophiles and I'm not absolutely sure but I don't... and my wife liked it and my daughter liked it but I think they didn't quite get it until I explained to them, based on when, during our moments of deconstructing Great Britain and the drunkenness, futility of life and all the rest of it, is extremely well explored in this play. It's a very depressing play about essentially

02:49 Drunken British youth and that was my life. That was my life for five years. I don't need to see the play I got the t-shirt in the DVD. It's a really it's a very I mean, it's just like wow They mean they they kept everything from the petty small-town bureaucrats they explore that element and everything in between of the of what You know British life has become under the gitmo nation auspices right that it was a wow I thought it was pretty hard hard hitting I'm And it was apparently a huge hit in Britain, so I guess they're they're paying some attention But it has a it's a nihilistic very dark View of things well while you're doing that I'm here with two chicks in the house and had a nice crepe breakfast with mimosas and

03:39 You're living the life. Yeah, we have miss Miss Mollywood Staying for the weekend. Oh, what's she up to? Hanging out with me in the hot tub Oh really? Yeah, this is the donations. And I have to thank you. Exactly. I have to thank you for introducing Molly to Mickey. What a stroke of genius my friend. I have my moments. Yes you do. By the way, I see it the way I see it. Tall women seem to gravitate toward each other. It works. All kinds of benefit. Absolutely. So, now you being on New York Time, did you watch any of the early morning news talk shows? I ended up watching, there's a bunch of screwy shows. New York is weird because, and you have to come here every so often to realize how isolated it is from the general American thought process. Unlike California.

04:36 Actually, I believe it is unlike California. They don't even have the California stuff going on. I mean, it's, I mean, California is maybe one step isolated, but I think New York is two. And in fact, I wonder if we even have any donors from New York. I mean, they're so isolated. Not many. That's true. Not many. Yeah, they're so isolated that generally speaking, they don't even have, they don't even run a lot of syndicated stuff that California runs, you know, national shows and various kinds of, I mean, for example, they have a, the only, I mean the news in the morning is like New York One is a perfect example. It's just basically from New York, about New York, by New Yorkers. This morning's talk shows the New York Times have some character who shouldn't even, to be honest with you, shouldn't be on television because he needs dental work and he doesn't wear any worse glasses with no glare proof on him so he's blasting you with the stage lights. What an amateur. What an incredible amateur.

05:33 Matter that I mean somebody's just gonna tell him but nobody bothers because you're in New York so I so everything Everything's just New York oriented. So you get you get completely isolated here. Oh, so I watched Because we were up early for the for the show this morning. I watched face the nation and And of course, it's way too late to record any clips or anything. And Lindsey Graham from, was he South Carolina? Was he a senator from South Carolina? That guy is getting on my nerves. So they're talking about this bogus, oh, we beheaded people in Afghanistan because some douchebag burned the Koran.

06:11 And he literally said, and I'll get a clip from it for Thursday's show I'm sure. He said, you know free speech is a great idea but we're at war. I'm like what? Did you really just, and he's running for president. you know he has gotten worse over time if he thinks he's even gonna get any votes he's gotta be fooling himself to think he's running for president the guy is he's a total douchebag he's pro war he doesn't get it you know I I mean I'm sure there's a few people out there you know usually they're in the army and and higher up so they don't actually have to do any fighting the most people that are

06:48 You have any experience with war? You aren't pro-war. I mean, this guy is like a... If you've actually been in a war, you kind of tend to be against it. If you've had like bombs dropping on your head and see your friends getting blown to bits. You tend to have an aversion. So the guy's like a warmonger. He and he's and he's you know like you just said he's like against the Constitution against free speech. He's a conservative Republican that's ridiculous. He's not he's not really conservative in any sense of the you know any real sense in terms of like you know being a constitutionalist. That guy's horrible. I mean, hopefully he'll figure that out when he gets no votes and when he tries to run in the primary. So I did a little bit of deconstruction and it kind of started, I think it was actually right after the show, as promised, the Federal Reserve released all of their secret documents.

07:35 which turned out to be a 136 megabyte file of PDFs, just unbelievable and it's still all redacted and this of course is the information that the... Wait a minute, hold on. Why would you redact a banker statement? Oh, because there's tons of stuff in there they just don't want us to know. And what is this report? Well, the good news is there was enough in it to be meaty enough to know that 3.3 trillion dollars was lent from the discount window to foreign banks, I mean like all over the world, including a bank partially owned by Libya, duh. And they also have the TALF in there, which is the toxic asset bailout. And you know, you get like these huge hedge funds from Wexford from Connecticut, which of course the CEO is an ex-Goldman guy, duh.

08:31 and the employee hedge funds and stuff. It'll never get reported properly because it's just too much. A, it's not interpretable for the common man, I think, because it's even hard to understand how the whole system works. But then to see the ripoff, the blatant ripoff, where all of these guys just should have gone out of business. Literally, and instead, no, no, just borrow our money. So that led me to, especially the Libyan bank thing, led me to a couple of other interesting points. The fact, well actually, Ron Paul was on the clean, no, the antiwar.com podcast.

09:19 Someone sent me a copy of it and he said now knowing that the Fed will easily lend money to anybody Including banks partially owned by Libya and that they do it secretly He comes up with I mean if I ever kick the bucket John and he's not president make him do the show because he'd be perfect for it, but listen to how he deconstructs the financing of the rebels all right now your colleague uh... represent dennis kucinich uh... has gone on the record saying that this is impeachable do you agree with him about that yeah i think it's impeachable in the in the sense that uh... it disobeys the constitution but how many presidents have done that in the last hundred years or so uh... it's uh... it's an offense that uh... is unconstitutional congress should take it upon himself i don't imagine

10:12 And it's likely to lead to somebody introducing a resolution to impeach him, because I think it would distract from something we can do more immediately, like denying all funding for the war or make the Congress vote on this one way or the other. uh... that certainly would be something to see uh... the the congress uh... at least attempted to not finding but uh... hillary clinton made the statement uh... yesterday or the day before that uh... even if congress did uh... refused to to uh... provide funding for it that they would just ignore it under the plenary and inherent powers of the presidency when you think about it

10:53 how secret funding can occur through the Federal Reserve System, what does it matter? What does it matter that Congress says we're totally irrelevant? You know, just released figures said the Federal Reserve had loaned money to banks and other governments of $3.3 trillion. So, you know, if you need funding and the Fed created one, you know they set up a central bank but the uh... the rebels in libya barry set up a central bank that maybe we've blown them up and i wonder if they've come to the discount window yet and i bet you this is exactly what's happening i'm sure of it now yeah just roll up to the discount window hey hey it's muhammad here hey man give me some money at a central bank yeah yeah with their central bank it's amazing central bank of uh... no agenda

11:42 Wow, wouldn't that be cool? We could borrow a couple trill. Yeah, we could build something. I got a call yesterday from a reporter, and this is a testament to the show which I'm quite proud of, a reporter from the Washington Post. What did you think of that newspaper, John? Are they okay? Well, it's compromised, but I find it to have a lot of... it's well written. So the guy, Paul Fari or something, he says he knows you, actually. Ring a bell, Paul Fahre. Sounds very familiar. He says, Adam, I'm doing this piece on Andy Carvin. And I asked, Andy Carvin is the senior strategist at our national treasure NPR. And he's the guy that's collecting all the tweets and passing them through the organization as news.

12:35 He says, so he asked Andy, you know, does anyone kind of, you know, because he's a, as this reporter said, you know, Andy's like a little mini celebrity now, you know, he's got the social media vibe. He's with all the hip kids. I know who this is that's funny and he says So I asked Andy if there was anyone who was critical of what you're doing and your name was top of the list And like hmm did I call him a douchebag I probably did didn't I well, I don't know play this jingle I mean, I don't remember real jog my memory. Oh Yeah, I think so and I said well look I got nothing against the guy personally

13:13 But you know for and I have problems with and I had to go back and explain I said, you know, do you know what I do? Yeah, you're a blogger. You're the XTV just and no no, I'm not So I had to explain about no agenda. Yeah. Whoa. Whoops. Looks like we just lost all contact with reality Okay. Well, there you go. The minute I start talking about them. They they pull the plug on me. Oh It's unbelievable. Is that a coincidence or what? You played douchebag and boom they pulled the plug. Cut him off now. Cut him off now. He's onto us. Stop it. It was pretty screwy. It's par for the course. What's the guy's name again? Andy? Do you want the stream to go down again? I need to spell it. Andy Carvin. C-A-R-V-I-N.

14:04 And so, but anyway, he's like, you know, why do you think this is not good? And I said, well, besides the problem that I have with NPR, a commercial organization, you know, they have underwriters, which they call advertisers, whatever you want to call it. and I went into that a little bit with him. I said the whole fact that these tweets are being taken from a centralized commercial organization, unvetted as news, while the Secretary of State herself has said she has techno-experts, techno-experts who are tweeting in Farsi, there's so much room for disinformation, and this is seeping into a news organization. I have to say,

14:46 And they're not discussing it and don't forget that Cass Sunstream, who's in the organization, whose powers is what husband, who's associated with Hillary, has been advocating this sort of... The indoctrination, the infiltration of all of this. Yeah, so I wouldn't believe one tweet that they reported on. And so this guy, so he was our reporter friend was shocked by this? Well, I have to say he said, you know, I never thought of it that way. I said, this is the problem. It's the whole fanboyism. There's no one's questioning this. You can't even vet this stuff technically because you don't know what IP address it's coming from. You have no idea. It could be coming right from the State Department from Washington. He says, yeah, but it might not be true. I said, exactly. He said, you're making my point for me.

15:32 Happy anniversary, darling. 402 years. I love you so much. Thank you very much. I know it's taking up enough, but you don't have to get too mushy. I'm sorry. So yeah, so anyway the funniest thing is at the end of this and who knows what's gonna wind up in print. He says so uh... Nothing. No no wait. I thought it was gonna wind up in print. Nothing. He says so what do I call you? I said well I'm a media assassin. He says yeah but I need something that you know we're a stodgy old newspaper. I said what you have such disdain for your readers they won't understand that? He says no actually I'm talking about my editors. I said okay how about media deconstructionist?

16:12 He says, yeah, but you know, can't I just say blogger, media critic? I said no! So why, so you're gonna, Andy Carvin's title is senior strategist at an NPR. You're gonna print that as his title? Yeah? Well what's the difference? I can be, if he's a senior strategist, I can be a media deconstructionist. And I just did that for you on this call. Anyway. It was but it was funny because I think this guy you never get quoted I'm not with the pro and I'm just trying to promote no agenda. I'm just trying to promote no agenda You know, I what was your title producer? No agenda. I know I'm a douchebag. I'm so stupid I don't know how to do it anymore. I got too much of a chip on my shoulder. I

16:56 Yeah, you do. Yeah. Oh, well, it's okay. Oh, well, I try. You get intervention, maybe you'll get another listener. The one person who reads the Washington Post who has internet. I got web. I got AOL here. I got Facebook. What is RSS? What is a podcast? Podcast. Well, anyway, did we have any support? Yeah, we did. After my meltdown, I want to thank everybody for all the lovely messages you sent me. That was very kind. Yeah, well, you know, Adam seems to, of course, some people misunderstood what you were up to, thinking you were criticizing the audience when you were actually depressed about the Constitution. The fact, in fact, that we actually made it worse by playing the Ron Paul thing because apparently

17:41 And what he says is that, well, nobody in the Constitution is dead. Yeah, I know, but I'm over it now. I've been able to lift myself over that hump, but it was a wall that I hit so hard during the show. I'm like, it's just all over. And now at least I've come to terms with it. And now that I hear future presidential candidates saying, free speech is a great idea. Who needs it? Who needs it? You know, like so we might as well just run this puppy all the way into the ground John. We're going as far as we can take it. yeah i know that fact i think people have to realize that this show is uh... is not long for this world uh... but we're gonna keep doing as long as we keep getting support so uh... and as long as you know they leave us alone i do it then they probably will song as we keep our relationship you know from actually having uh... well i don't know what any of the list and i think you can take some a on the andy andy k arvin a to us live in van der haas and bell haven north carolina is our we have a

23:01 It also allows you to import into Gmail, which is the NSA. Yeah, really? What kind of round robin are you doing? Hotmail and Outlook and Yahoo. I would take a little aside here. So I'm at the airport. We're flying to New York. Family, right? And who's standing there with his wife? Bill Gates. No, Eric Schmidt. Oh, really? Huh. So I went over and chatted with him. But I thought he has his own plane and everything. Well apparently that was his last day at Google. Oh because he's no longer at Google so all the perks go away. He's working for the government. He could have taken the jet if he wanted to, I'm sure of it. But wait a minute, does he already have the gig?

23:42 No, but he seems confident. In fact, he's flying to New York to go back and forth from New York to Washington and New York to Washington and New York to Washington for some reason. Yeah, for some NSA-related reason. I threw that at him because I wrote a column suggesting that Schmidt would be the best choice for a head of security, NSA, CIA, something like that. He thought I was an idiot. Did he say, did he look at you and go, you're an idiot? He never said I was an idiot, but he looked at me as though I was. And did you say, hey, cool man that you tried to hide your Google results for your donation. That was awesome. Come on, John.

24:20 I gave him a no agenda show card because he's never heard the show. Right. Oh, well, hold on a second. Hey there! How you doing, Eric? He might be listening. He might. He might. And another aside, we were mentioning the show card, which I have a bunch, I give them to cops now. And so I'm sitting at a little cafe, a Dean and DeLuca cafe here in Manhattan, where my wife's getting a cappuccino. Luckily she was at the time and this very attractive 20-something girl comes up and she's kind of sheepishly walks up and she stands there and she says, are you John C. Dvorak? Really? And I said, yeah. She says, in the morning. No, really? And she was hot. My daughter was there, she can testify absolutely. And she was hot?

25:07 She was very, yeah, she was hot. What was her name? I don't know, I didn't get it, I was stunned. You were like, near heart attack, like, oh my god. So I gave her a show agenda. Yeah, look what the show is doing for me. Like, hey, come on my lap and let me tell you a story. I was just stunned that someone, instead of saying hi, it was like, in the morning. That's great. Fantastic. That's my ribald tales of the day. Okay, Dale Thornton in Sydney, Australia is in for $292. He's a co-exec? Oh, he's the 2-9-2 club member, right? Yeah, and associate executive producer. Oh, wow.

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29:59 I don't want to go back to the donations, but I'm going to have to mention something. We did get a wire transfer in from David Horbeck III. 33333, so he becomes another, the third executive producer for today's show. And he has a couple of requests. This took a while for this transfer to come through. One is some karma. Okay, hold on, I got that here. You've got karma. David Horbeck the 31 make sure he said that but he's the one who wrote the WTC 7 won't go away jingle oh really oh well crap now I gotta go find it because it's late oh it's been he's requesting you either if you still have it well yeah either no if you still have the long version

30:50 Well, you know what it is. It's a I think it's actually from a song or something and It's the acapella version. And so I always cut it off after you know, the first WTC 7 won't you know, whatever because it just takes so long But if I could just find it here for a second, I know I have it. I uh... but haven't played in such a long time say something i look for well anyway so he's a walk under a weather is it a bit i didn't know there was a long version but he has said you play at the end of the show maybe which would be kinda cool instead of having to scrounge for right now and uh... he uh...

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32:21 That's it? I don't know how to tell my baby. That's why I always cut it off there. Because of that. Oh yeah. It needs to be tightened up. But he says that WTC7 is a personal pet peeve of his. Yeah, well, and rightly so. I'm down with you, my brother. Hell yeah. We're coming up on the 10th anniversary. Okay. Onward. Yes, onward indeed. So, bad news. You've got no clips. Yeah, my clip machine fell apart and I didn't get any clips so I'm out of clips. I don't have any clips. I wish I was in these hotels which is really distressing as you'll see a clip go by but you don't have a... they haven't put DVRs in the rooms yet, right? Right, right. Because you gotta stop it and go back and clip it. So, well luckily, luckily, luckily I have some longer clips.

33:13 And some of them I think it would be quite interesting to listen to this first one that actually wanted to roll out You know, let's just stick with what is the news of the day again? Oh, yes, Charlie Sheen's concert tour sucks. Yeah, that's the that's the main news I'm sure yeah. Oh, yeah people are booing him for his concerts Yeah, duh You're returning the money duh duh But Russia today is really on a rampage. They are so out to discredit everybody and everything about this war. Of course, Russia and China, both on the Security Council of the United Nations, are Uberlords, who we are now the bitches of.

33:54 you know they abstain from voting on this whole Libya business and you know the propaganda war is on but very interesting this reporter Susan Lindauer she reports she's in Washington but I guess up until 2003 she was actually Libya was her beat. Well can we stop for a second there I want to just give everybody a little piece of background which is that if you recall when this Libyan thing was first breaking, in fact even the Egypt, all this stuff breaking in the Middle East, the Russia Today and the news and the blogs and the Russians that are in the Middle East and we were reporting on this, on this show, they were saying there was nothing going on. Yeah, no of course, I mean it's all of its propaganda, all of it.

34:40 There's nothing, the only thing that kind of might have some validity is here. Just a little bit. Who knows, we get duped all the time. But this woman comes out and so she followed Libya. It was her beat. And I think she might, once in a while she slips into a kind of an accent. It sounds like she's even a Russian spy. But she lays into the whole reason behind this and completely pulls out the Lockerbie thing, which I thought was fantastic. And she has a lot of details that I think we should listen to. Without having thought it through as you say.

35:18 haha that's it this was no I know that was a sincere right she's like you gotta be nuts let me tell you the real story douche very badly done I will tell you that because of because of my knowledge of the Lockerbie issue last summer we began to hear some very interesting gossip about Gaddafi I love how they keep throwing guns in all these reports you know whenever we're talking about Libya just kind of guns rattling in the background It's getting a little annoying. Yeah, it's very annoying. It's a distraction of some sort. It's obviously trying to trigger a, you know, when you're listening to something and watching or hearing gunfire, it's going to change the way your brain works. Yeah, you think just a little, but it really comes apparent when you don't watch the video.

36:09 Alright, so let's continue. And Gaddafi was pressuring US oil companies to reimburse Libya for the costs, for the payments to the families of Pan Am 103. You see there is this very important detail that Libya had nothing to do with Lockerbie. Hello, important detail. Just a little detail that had nothing to do with it.

36:45 How many years have we been talking about that possibility? Since the beginning of the show. And this whole McGraw-Heath thing and everything. It makes a lot of sense what she's saying if you think back in time where this guy had to let him free, and oh yeah, because he has cancer or whatever, the guy still, you know. Jumping around on his pogo stick who knows what's going on with him He's not dead as far as we know and you know and listen to the details she has about how much money Libya had to pay to the victims of Lockerbie or the families of the victims of Lockerbie and And the United Nations had imposed sanctions on Libya and forced Libya to pay damages to the families

37:26 $2.7 billion and they had wrecked Libya's economy with sanctions. And now last summer we began to hear that Qaddafi was pushing the oil companies for reimbursements of the costs to the Libyans. You're saying this won't trigger this now, are you? Yes, by the way this guy starts cutting her off now. She's in here like like she's getting too crushes off there. It's just the reservation reservation Yeah, yes, I do believe that it's very significant. I believe that in October you hear that sounds like a Russian I believe Like a Russian earlier yeah, over Chevron and Occidental petroleum pulled out of Libya Okay now

38:09 Italy, France, Britain and China, Germany, all those countries are still in Libya. Those countries are still there. But the United States pulled out and I believe that at that point the United States began to think that they needed to do something to remove Gaddafi because he was going to continue to demand Behind the scenes, he was going to demand that Libya receive compensation for the sanctions that they suffered wrongfully. for twelve years. So the way I see this and you know of course we've looked at a lot of these angles so our belief from the evidence that we have or the documentation is that it was a CIA flight, there was drugs on board, a CIA team. Lockerbie. Yeah, Lockerbie. And they had to cover this up and there's more going on in Lockerbie, there's all kinds of Pete Aubert stuff involved with this as well but I'll just put that to the side.

39:11 The CIA had to cover this up, so they blame Libya, blame Gaddafi and his henchmen, and of course the whole world goes crazy about it. Oh, this is nuts, so he's got to pay this money back, and this is not sitting pretty with Gaddafi. And so maybe this is just a Gaddafi-CIA war, which makes sense now that we have CIA boots on the ground. Well obviously, well obviously if we're gonna stick with that theory which I think is the right one and anyone who wants to verify or look at this in more detail go back into newspaper archives for all the papers in the UK from the crash itself for about a year and a half those papers explored this situation and came up with most of this the real facts that were covered up and then they then they explored the cover-up and then the whole thing became a joke.

40:04 and the way I see it, they blamed it on Qaddafi because he was already involved with terrorism and they wanted to get him off the terrorist track anyway and he was the guy like, you know, he's not gonna be kicked out of power or anything for this and it was just, I think the whole thing was just a, okay, here's what we're gonna do and they set up a scenario saying we're gonna blame you but don't worry about it, you're gonna be protected from it, you know, after, you know, whatever. It's exactly what they said to Milosevic, don't worry man, we got your back, don't worry about it. it anyway and then meanwhile the they probably packaged up the real evidence uh... which is what they were going to present when this guy was gonna get a retrial in scotland is a really retry retry and then they were gonna bring all this this information and it was gonna blow the lid off the thing is a no no no he's got cancer let's get him out of here and we won't have a trial right i mean that the fact that they got rushed him out of there you know out of the blue

40:58 uh... and he didn't obviously have cancer disease still alive at least you know life-threatening and uh... so the whole thing is just as fishy from the get-go and if people don't see it that way i think this woman yet there's let's face it there's a lot of people that know what really happened and we don't we don't we just uh... deconstructed it but it's it's it's very sketchy it's very fishy but what i do like is that Even based upon our which some would call far-fetched theories Which I think there's enough that we're playing and showing and reading that we can point to It gives me hope that there are actual good people around and that not everyone is always on board with all the program It's not like a it really isn't like the Bilderberg Club is all sat down and said let's do this. Yo, I

41:46 You know because clearly the UN got duped into all of this where it was essentially a CIA operation that had gone wrong. And it just it seems like there's a lot of confusion like not everyone's on board with the same program. You know what I mean? Yeah, and then more recently, it's possible, I still think it's because Libya, and I'll stick with this, has gotten in bed with the Chinese and the Russians for oil. China mainly. We built a refinery which was somehow attacked for some unknown reason during this so-called skirmish. Yeah, I'm sorry, the Chinese refinery blew up. So I mean, the whole thing is, this is a setup.

42:34 But, you know, it is what it is. But we've kind of bailed out. I don't understand the conservative mentality about this, by the way. Oh, we have to take the leadership role. Because if anybody else does anything in the world and we're not the leaders, then we're diminished in the eyes of the world community and it's going to be bad. People are going to think Obama's a weenie and we're going to get bombed. I mean, they're going to get nuked from the fact that we I would look at it from a more positive perspective saying, look we got this thing where we want it, we sucker the NATO people and a Canadian to take it over and we get out of it because we are in enough troubles of our own? Is that not a good thing? I don't get where we have to be the... I think you're missing one critical point is that the military industrial complex is kicked into gear and they're like, hell yeah, yeah, buy some of my shite.

43:30 And I think that's the big problem is, you know, they're just seeing more money, more money, more money. So, you know, and they've got so many of, you know, Congress in their... They love the words. Yeah. Well, of course, it's their bread and butter. So they love that. We need more terror. We need more wars. You know, and this is... What does it cost them now? Like 500 million a week? 300 million a week, the Libya conflict, the last I heard. So there was more funny stuff in the media. And this was amazing. On CNN, they always try to do the Fox thing where they get the hot women, but they get the really, really, really dumb brunettes. I mean, seriously. And you have to see the video of these two.

44:16 And I want to sound, I'm not unfriendly towards women at all, but this is in fact this is so anti, you know feminists should be outraged that women are being abused in this manner as symbols just to distract you to not hear what's actually happening. But they all pertain to be incredibly intelligent. And this one girl, there's two, and they're co-hosting this interview with a former CIA guy. Who starts off, and I'm gonna skip the whole first half, he starts off like kind of with the program and it's all about boots on the ground. And then he turns on him. And he turns big time.

43:30 And I think that's the big problem is, you know, they're just seeing more money, more money, more money. So, you know, and they've got so many of, you know, Congress in their... They love the words. Yeah. Well, of course, it's their bread and butter. So they love that. We need more terror. We need more wars. You know, and this is... What does it cost them now? Like 500 million a week? 300 million a week, the Libya conflict, the last I heard. So there was more funny stuff in the media. And this was amazing. On CNN, they always try to do the Fox thing where they get the hot women, but they get the really, really, really dumb brunettes. I mean, seriously. And you have to see the video of these two.

44:16 And I want to sound, I'm not unfriendly towards women at all, but this is in fact this is so anti, you know feminists should be outraged that women are being abused in this manner as symbols just to distract you to not hear what's actually happening. But they all pertain to be incredibly intelligent. And this one girl, there's two, and they're co-hosting this interview with a former CIA guy. Who starts off, and I'm gonna skip the whole first half, he starts off like kind of with the program and it's all about boots on the ground. And then he turns on him. And he turns big time.

44:52 And they don't know what to do. And one of them has this really yellow, summery, frocky shirt on, sleeveless, with frilly laces and everything. And the smoke is coming out of their ears because they can't figure it out. And listen how they try and shut the guy up. I'll give you a little bit of his... He also went off the rails. And this is happening more and more. Of course, they had all of their top anchors in Japan. So, you know, we don't know where to put the people who can actually put a sentence together. So we've got all... it's fun watching television because everyone's an idiot. There was a UN resolution and that didn't work. Aerial bombing has continued and has impact, but it hasn't defeated him. Now we're at the stage where we're going to try to, apparently, try to train and arm the resistance. That takes a long time. I don't know if we have that time against Qaddafi. What we're seeing is the president being, putting himself into a corner where his only option is ground troops.

45:54 But that's something that is not... that's not something that no one says that they want to do in this administration. I mean, they simply don't want to do that. They want to... Well, they don't... well, the choice may come down to admitting that it was a mistake in being defeated in the sense that Qaddafi survives or putting ground troops in. Nations are a lot like people. They don't like admitting to mistakes. and maybe they don't want to put them in but when it comes down to looking defeat in the face I wonder. You know you led CCA's, you know the track to Osama Bin Laden 1996 to 1999 and you believe that much like that situation America's involvement in Libya could prove to be a recruiting tool for extremists. Why? Oh it's absolutely a recruiting tool. It's the American-led West

46:37 attacking a muslim country that has oil. They've been very careful to say it's not the American led west, that NATO is now fully taken over the operations. Well that may fool... Yes our firepower was used in the beginning but that this is a coalition that includes Arabs. I love how she's read the report. Like... She's really reading from a script. The best fucking points. Yeah, no there's a guy who can barely type as fast as he has to so she can read it. That may fool some Americans. It's not going to fool the people who sympathize with bin Laden and other Islamists. This is really a US-led operation. And you talk about the Arab states that are involved, the Arab states are tyrannies that are hated by their own people. This is a piece of theater set up by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain and the bi-partisan... Whoops, whoops, oh my God, what? Theater? What? You can't say that about Lucifer Clinton. No, no, no. It's a group that loves to intervene abroad.

47:34 In the Muslim world, this is Americans killing Muslims again and it looks like it's for oil. I just want to ask, are you trying to have it both ways and saying that, okay, these are tyrannies that hate the Roman people? Well, that's why we're helping because in Libya it was the people that wanted Gaddafi out, that they were tired of it. So weren't we then supporting Islamic democracy, I guess you could say, in these countries where they're tired of totalitarian rule? If we were supporting Islamic democracy, that would be one thing. But if you listen to Mrs. Clinton and especially the rather crazed Ms. Rice at the UN, this is all about democracy in a world where democracy is not going to take hold. Wait, I can just hear the guy in the IFB. Get him off, get him off, shut up!

48:15 Shut up! I think it's very clear Michael Schoer that you are no fan of this policy and this administration. I think calling Ambassador Rice crazed is certainly a significant charge. I don't know, I just listened. A charge? A charge? a charge really. It's not a charge, it's just a valid observation. Well you know that's only my impression and I have to say this is not a democratic problem, this is a republican problem too. Both parties love to intervene in other people's business where there are no U.S. interests at stake and where we spend enormous amounts of money at a time when we're nearly bankrupt. Get him off! That doesn't seem to me to be a wise practice of American statesmanship. Get him off! And that's a whole other story that we, to call the United States bankrupt, the United States is running humongous deficits, yes, but the economy and this mission in Libya are two separate issues. They're not separate issues, ma'am, you're just carrying the water for Mr. Obama. I'm certainly not carrying anyone's water and that's...

49:14 I have a water head, but I'm not carrying anyone's water! I will assure you of that. Michael Schoer, thank you so much for your time. We've had a very long, exhaustive interview. You had plenty of time to give your point of view on that. We're going to be right back. It's 38 Minutes. Thanks, Michael. idiots she's terrible. Well this Scheuer guy's been around for a while he's baffled me he he first showed up he's on almost every documentary done about 9-11 and he's almost on everything done about Obama or about Osama and he was the CIA

49:51 He was a part of some group called the terrorist or Osama Bin Laden division or some horse crap and supposedly retired and I've always wondered whether or not he's still working for him in some way shape or form because he tends to be, he's a very yes-or-no-sir kind of overly uh... when you wish to to look on the internet to complimented as you'd be interviewed yesterday was rich thing and he is a i'd be staff of these that a couple of books and uh... or one at least a about a but why we could have we could've got no some and we didn't and all the rest of it he's comes out a little lot of the shows in you i guess you figure out now what what's ideas on with the fiat

50:35 I don't know. I did find out something that is really important when it comes to the lies. So what is so okay forget all the all the breaking the Constitution etc. What is being heralded by Lucifer Clinton and by George W Obama and what's Rice's name? Well, it's funny your name is Rice because you want to say Condoleezza II. Yeah, you do want to say Condoleezza, but that's not correct. If they say Condoleezza II, you could say Frye, I don't know what to call her. Beelzebub Rice. All right. Call her Rice. Rice. All right, Rice. So they're all saying, well, you know, the Arab League, the Arab League, they came to us, they begged the Arab League, the Arab League. Well, let me give you some details on the Arab League.

51:25 There's 22 full members of the Arab League. When they took this vote for the no-fly zone, only 11 were present, which is not even a quorum. And apparently, Syria and Algeria were against it, so they probably were coerced. But if you look at it, really only nine members of the Arab League wanted this. The others weren't even there. They probably didn't even get the memo. So it's they weren't invited. Yeah, you know they'd vote. Oh and that's Asia Times reporting that was you can't get that here What what is the who were the nine that voted? Yes? Probably can't well six of them were Gulf Corporation council members If you have a second I can probably bring this up. Let's see Asia Times

52:16 Yeah, but this is good stuff, you know? And where's our reporting on this? I have to get this from Asia Times, really? I'm not carrying any water for Obama. I'm not carrying nobody's water. I don't care water. You gotta clip that out and use it once in a while. That's just hilarious. I'm not carrying Obama's water. I won't do that. I'm not even starting with that. Let me see if we have... No, I don't have the, it's not in this report. It might be, but I can't read the whole thing. We're going to put it on the next show because it would be interesting to know who the 9 were. Who exactly the 9 were. Who didn't show up, which is the ones, you know, those are the ones that are the, the whole thing is, yeah, it's terrible. It's rigged. You think?

53:02 Yeah, well, the opening. What I also thought was really interesting, which does kind of go along with this. So how much money did we steal? I mean, sorry, freeze from Libya and Gaddafi. How much money was it, John? The all-time record, $33 billion. Which of course is a magic number for us. But now what's so interesting is We come up with this settlement now, you know, we also have a budget gap we have to close in the United States and Joe O'Biden comes out and says, you know, I've been talking to Billy Boy Boehner and you know, we've come up with a number, 33 billion dollars in cuts. I'm like, hey, coincidence? I think not! You think they're just gonna take that 33 billion and fill the hole?

53:52 Why not? Apparently, Congress has got no control over the purse strings anymore and it's all a game of house of cards right now with the Federal Reserve like you pointed out earlier. This is just a complete fiasco. The way the money's being, it's like a bunch of crooked bookkeepers running the country. And there's so much more fun stuff coming out. You know we didn't I noticed it, but we didn't we forgot to talk about it the president's speech when he you know We can address the nation. That's very important because everyone needs to know it came on at 730 which is not the typical prime time slot for a presidential address to the nation and CNN now reports that he actually you know had a conversation with the networks because you have to negotiate that with the networks obviously and this was

54:48 ABC has Dancing with the Stars on at 8 o'clock and so that's why the president went to 730. Oh, ABC, right, the compromise, the compromised ABC network, yeah. The White House guy working it, working there. No, his sister. His sister is George W. Obama's personal advisor. So I just thought this is interesting. That's how important it is. Oh well, we have to keep the slaves entertained, happy and distracted with Dancing With The Stars, so why don't we just do it at 730? That'll be fine. Okay. Now more depressing news. It's not depressing. I'm beyond that now. Now I think it's just funny. But we're in for a long haul, that's for sure. This guy's not going anywhere. Everyone's jumping for joy. We're all getting some money. All beautiful.

55:47 So I've got an interesting email from someone see if I can find it, but there's it's based on a He claims the bogus story running in the in the Sun April 3rd of all places. I'd send you a link to this would mean the show notes. Yes, you did it was wasn't under a Yeah, it'll be in the show notes. Yeah, I have it Okay, let me I hate to do this, but just with this little machine. I'm ending up with what kind of machine you're using there little Toshiba But it's only got like the screen size is only 10 inches That's about 10 or 11 and the sounds not all that great either

56:30 I think it's probably the connection. John and Adam, I just wanted to say thanks for a great show. I lived outside Tokyo and was in central Tokyo at work during the earthquakes a few weeks back and unlike some of the other foreigners, gaijin. Yes, the gaijin which by the way are now being called the fly-jin. The fly-jin. Because they're flying away. He mentions that. This guy's a Brit. uh... this is the most obvious insulting piece of journalism came for you case and newspaper not expecting as much uh... as it is but it's obviously link bait and and we have a link to this this article in the show notes and it's quite funny special big headline the headline which says uh... it's got a picture of a frightened woman's instinct starving brit kelly my nightmare trapped in city of ghosts he's a good deal

57:19 right goes on the zombies and there's no water and there she's starving to death this woman says the whole thing's a bunch of crap he says that contradictions factual errors is firstly her name and her husband's Fujiyama is Fujiyama is so stereotypical suspicious in itself her husband is Ryu which is as a friend of mine pointed out probably taken from a Street Fighter game game radiation look right did increase in Fujiyama where the damaged reactors are. He says that in Tokyo the levels barely moved and when they did was minimal and well within any definition of safe and never reached ten times any amount. Says it was bullshit and it says for that for the for the week Rome had higher ratings than Tokyo. Right.

58:08 She claims she's a scene from a zombie movie. The streets were quiet but she's not out of panic. People were waiting for what would happen next. There's food in the shops on the next day. She reported this although bottled water was getting low but the mains water, gas and electricity were on. Most of Tokyo was never blacked out. As a friend pointed out, why didn't she order dominoes? They were still delivering. It was a sir mark I think and day mastered or saying you know the the biggest problem by the way not to diminish There was a lot of you know absolute panic and and people were confused, but in Tokyo itself You know he says I think sir mark wrote me a note and said you know the the biggest problem Everyone's you know the biggest fears who didn't have the right change for Starbucks. You know it's like okay, I

58:52 Anyway goes on and on which just indicates to me that the the reporting on this thing has been you know Which we've always suspected has been a bit since sensationalized even though it's a disaster of epic proportions Is that just no reason I would ask this question, you know, what what is the point of making it seem worse? to distract everyone from the true atrocity which is going on in Libya amongst other places and Yeah, I'm guessing that's I mean I have no other no I just don't have any other explanation It seems like the easiest thing to do you know that's one call right? Oh, that's actually three calls There's a call to ABC. It's a call to CNN. It's a call to Fox You know it's like hey, man. Let's hype this this hype this up, and then it just goes down the chain We've both worked at media companies. That's how it goes. We're off to Japan and

59:43 This is what it is. And you know, and it all plays into each other. You get the anti-nuke people. Germany is freaking out. They have huge anti-nuclear demonstrations now. The public gets riled up. By the way, I want to thank Graham Briggs for the note and link. But yeah, no, it's ridiculous. There's something else very interesting happening with With news now and this is from give my nation down under Jeff from Newcastle sent this in Adam I heard his report last week on ABC radio. That's the Australian Broadcasting Corporation World Today current affairs program interview with Ali. I looked the guy up Almudja Al-Mujahid Of the Yemen Post

1:00:30 regarding the Yemen instability and he says have a listen to this and tell him I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give it away John it's 35 seconds so this is apparently a reporter in Yemen being interviewed by Australian radio Tell me what you think of this guy. Ali al-Mujahid, can Yemen's president survive now that one of his most senior generals, Ali Mosansali, has defected? After the announcement that the military has made, it seems very likely that the president will have to step down very, very soon. And I expect that to be within the next 48 hours. The only thing that we could say is basically

1:01:07 The president right now is probably trying to figure out the best strategy for his exit. And that's why he sent the minister of foreign affairs to Saudi Arabia to negotiate some kind of deal for him to be able to leave the country. Now I don't know if you can hear that on Skype, but that is not a guy. That is a computer voice synthesizer. it's possible it and it was a guy with that in mind can you play it again yes ali al-mujahid can that yemen's president survive now that one of his most senior generals ali moss on sally has defected after the announcement that the military has made it seems very likely to the president will have to step down very very soon i expect that to be within the next forty eight hours how really that we could say is basically

1:01:55 The president right now is probably trying to figure out the best strategy for his exit and that's why he sent the minister of foreign affairs to Saudi Arabia to negotiate some kind of deal for him to be able to leave the country. The chat room got it right away. They're like, that's Doug! Doug is taking over, Doug is doing interviews! That's amazing. Especially when he says hours. Now I've listened to enough of these synthesized speech things I mean, you just recognize it. I mean, it's the chat room saw it immediately. It's digital voice. That's that's that's uh, you can make that come out of your Mac. Wow. Yeah. That's really, that's true. What? That's really bad. Excuse me. That's really, I'm dying here. Yeah. That's really bad if that's true. Let me see. Yeah, I can do this. Hello, John.

1:02:54 I can do it immediately. It's so easy. We should take that whole speech, somebody should take it and run it through some speech synthesizers and figure out which one it was. Write it down and change the wording just so it sounds right and run it through various speech synthesizers and see what we come up with. That's very interesting. How is New York? It's not possible. I think it's... well, anyway. I think a very good observation there from Jeff. Hey, there was something else... oh boy, this is... I gotta delve into this for a second. What do I always do on Sundays, John?

1:03:36 You watch C-SPAN. No, no, no, no, no. I always watch our president's reality show. Oh, right, that stupid thing you keep watching. The West Wing Week, yeah, which was... the title of it this week was Under the Blue Whale, Under the Big Blue Whale. And there was nothing in it, nothing to get. But I do have a minute here from our President George W Obama's Address to the nation and it's all about the clean energy partnership Hello, everybody. Hello everybody. I love that. Hello everybody. He's a UPS. Sounds like Elvis. He is.

1:04:15 Hello everybody. Hello everybody. I'll be here all week here on UPS. So he's at a UPS distribution plant center. And he's on location with his little show. Hello everybody! Hello everybody. I'm speaking to you today from a UPS customer center in Landover, Maryland. Yeehaw! Where I came to talk about an issue that's affecting families and businesses just like this one. The hookers be too expensive. The rising price of gas. And what we can do as a country to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Ah, there it is again. Now it's the dependence on foreign oil. So you know there's a scam coming. You know, you can already feel it. So I'm ready and waiting for it.

1:04:53 This week I released a blueprint. John, did you see the blueprint? No, I didn't. But can I ask you a quick question and ask Adam, see if you can get it? An actual... but it's in the middle of the presidential address. I mean that's... Let me just ask you then. Hold on a second. Hold on, hold on. Alright, ask Adam. What percentage in terms in the, expressed as a fraction do we import oil wise? How much do we have local? How much do we pump ourselves and how much do we import? I would say we import 30%. Oh, that's interesting. Is that wrong? No, we import two thirds. 60%.

1:05:43 66.66. I was prepared to be surprised. All right go. and to make our economy stronger at home. Yeah, we gotta screw those Canadians. Hey, Canadia! We're not taking your oil no more. Hehehe. And I'm here at UPS because it's not just the government getting in on the action. I love the way he says this. It's like, just put it in my face. Hey, it's not just the government getting in on the action. You gotta, words matter, people. It's unbelievable that he'd say that. He's actually saying it. It's not just, we're getting in on the action. Hehehe. No, not just that. Getting in on the action.

1:06:24 Companies like UPS FedEx AT&T Verizon and PepsiCo. How there's no agenda What's PepsiCo got to do with anything? No, they're listen up firms with some of the largest fleets in the country. I got large fleets fleets the fleets That's what it's about. They got big fleets, but PepsiCo has zero fleets by the way the bottlers are all local So that's a lie. "...are switching to more efficient vehicles and through our clean fleets partnership, driven not by government but by business." Okay, now we got to listen to this stuff. Our clean fleets partnership driven not by government but by businesses, which does not mean government's not in it, not just in it. It may be driven by business, which is usually not a good thing.

1:07:14 more companies are going to be switching to electric and alternative vehicles too. Not out of the goodness of their hearts. No, no. So is that a clue? Not out of the goodness of their hearts. Well, do you think it's because they want to spend more on fleets? There must be some kind of trick. Because it's good for their bottom line. Yeah, it's good for their bottom line. Alright, so... Is that it? Okay. What? No, no, go on, go on. You're right, they deconstruct... This guy is giving it all away in his speeches nowadays. Yeah, I mean, I don't know who's writing it, but they're idiots. Okay, so... Anyway, so I go look, Department of Energy, And so the first thing we got to do is we got to go look at the blueprint. And so, you know, I get the fact sheet National Clean Fleets Partnership. OK. What are the benefits? And then down there somewhere at the bottom, there's a little note here about the Vehicles Technology Program. Oh, OK. So let's take a look at the Vehicles Technology Program prepared by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, NREL.

1:08:18 which is a national laboratory of the US Department of Energy. You got to follow the stream all the way through. And down at the bottom of that page it says it is operated by the Alliance for Sustainable Energy LLC. Oh really? So this is part of the non-governmental part. So we go to the Alliance for Sustainable Energy LLC website. Under the current US Department of Energy contract, Alliance for Sustainable Energy LLC, known as Alliance, manages and operates the NREL. Okay, so they're operating a dot-gov business. Alliance is a limited liability company, of course, in case anyone gets sued, which is equally owned and governed by Battelle and MRI Global. The contract is valued at approximately 1.1 billion dollars, subject to annual appropriations over a five-year period.

1:09:16 How come we don't get in on any of these deals? Because we don't have a fleet. We need us a fleet. So then you got to go look at all this stuff and MRI Global. Oh my god. I have a, let me see, MRI Global who just got a new CEO by the way in January. A guy who's been in Clean up businesses for nuclear for 28 years of his career total shield total setup completely ready So this is the company that is contracted now they are a non-profit

1:09:53 Doesn't mean that they don't make profit, but it's non-profit, but you look at the board you like Oh brother Yeah, every single douchebag is in there from all the companies, but listen to a bit of this MRI global promo reel which is on their homepage Pre-canned music Today we celebrate. We celebrate our legacy, our heritage, and at the same time we define our future. They just changed their name by the way. to MRI. There's a new rebranding. Everything fits in properly with this announcement. Look around us. Look at our shared community. Oh, what are you doing in your shared community? We're proud of the contributions of those who have gone before us. These knowledge, experience, dedication and commitment have created the abundant successes of our many decades of service.

1:10:48 We're humbled by the character and integrity that built our core foundation and yet challenges us to live up to ideals more noble and more rewarding than just monetary gain. I mean, than just monetary gain. So John, this must be the nicest, bestest, just awesomest organization. They must be nothing but planting flowers and trees and making things beautiful for the world. I mean, that's what it sounds like, doesn't it? Yeah, okay. We are world-class scientists engineers program managers We're the leading chemists biologists analysts statisticians This is the other geniuses are here. We are heralded as problem solvers innovators I've never heard of them

1:11:37 Well, hold on. You have, you just don't know it. They were under a different name. Hold on. Customers and partners call on us to focus on and take on some of the most difficult issues facing our planet. We address energy challenges by delivering renewable energy from algae, biomass, wind, solar, and other sources. We envision a bright future by preventing and treating diseases by supporting vaccine development. Okay, so they do renewable algae bullcrap energy. They do vaccines. What else? Development and by analyzing the safety and toxicity of drugs to treat cancer and AIDS. We protect our troops by designing technology with highly accurate detection of dangerous weapons and explosives.

1:12:24 And by engineering robots for defense. Robots for defense! Using humanoid robots to safeguard troops from chemical and biological weapons. I gotta stop it here. It just gets worse. Wait a minute, where are these humanoid... what is this, a movie trailer? Yeah, exactly! Humanoid robots are... They got... you should see the video. They got humanoid robots and they, you know, they... Someone... there's a guy standing on the sidelines and hits the robot and he like doesn't fall over. This is billions of dollars being wasted. on scientist jabronis and with a whole board filled with just former corporate shills. Lay out who they are. Do you really need to know? Well, let's start with this

1:13:05 David a Brockman who is now the chief energy advisor and You can't even find this guy's bio anywhere because you know it's he must have been doing such evil stuff But 28 years in the private sector. I'm sorry. We can't we can't actually Tell you more about what he what he did Okay So we have, who's this? CH2M Hill. This is Dan Arvizu. That's a huge hundred million dollar... These are just the guys who are working there now. He comes from a hundred million dollar company. We have Thomas M. Sack, who was running the chemical science division for chemical defense. I mean, what is this? This is...

1:13:55 I know and they don't actually do any of this work. They dish it out. We've got Thomas Fleener who was VP of corporate development at Aquila and Verizon and Arthur Anderson and Procter and Gamble. Then we've got This woman from Oracle, we've got this woman who was at US Bank, Bank of America, Commerce Bank. She's the Vice President of Corporate Human Resources. She looks like a humanoid robot by the way. You know what I would get the biggest cash? I've seen this, I was just looking at CH2M Hill. Yeah. And

1:14:36 I've seen this, there was this thing I was gonna do on the last show and I ran into the same exact label from ethosphere.com and I'm just gonna ask you a question, a real simple one. When you're putting up a website and you feel obliged to put up a big sticker, a giant sticker on the front page that said, that's labeled, says 211 world's most ethical companies, Does that mean anything to you if you see something like that? Why you'd be so concerned that you'd put this sticker on your site? Yeah, it's like we're in trouble for some reason. We better put an ethical sticker on it. A band-aid.

1:15:14 Alright, go on. So anyway, so what this is is a huge program, billions of dollars for commercial corporate companies. And it's being heralded, and right up front of course it's all these guys who are going to benefit with huge tax write-offs. That's not in the blueprint because the blueprint is like a press release and the real blueprint isn't there yet and the Department of Energy hasn't put all the rules online yet. It's just more money bleeding out of our butts. And the presidency is the worst in the worst Republican. He's a yeah. He is he's just a pitch man He's just a pitch man at hey, don't worry. I'll sell this watch this hello everybody everybody I Know how to slay I know how to sell this man. Don't worry about it All I gotta do is I get him from like from the get-go from the from the very from the very minute I'm on my show. Hello everybody everybody. How you doing everybody?

1:16:06 So if you go to this CH2M Hill main site, they're showing all these different, they have a slideshow that goes on and one of the slides in the show appears to be an oil rig right off the Houses of Parliament in the middle of the Thames. Really? Yeah! Are they building an oil rig in the middle of the Thames? These guys don't give a crap, I'm telling you. They really don't care. They'll do anything they have to. There's people with gas masks and there's a refinery and they switch to the oil rig in the middle of the Thames. It looks like this is being half built. And then they're spraying, with a bunch of people standing a million miles away, they're spraying a Qantas airliner with antifreeze. And then they got a picture of Antarctica. I don't know, I don't get it.

1:16:54 Well I do and all of it is essentially coming out of your pocketbook. Money we don't have. Maybe part of it's coming from the 33 billion dollars that's been stolen from Libya but you can guarantee it's not good for you. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on No Agenda. And we do have a few donors this week. I want to thank them all and I want to thank everybody who donates any amount of money by the way. Every bit helps. Let's start with James Lopan, Jr., Mesa, Arizona, $111.11. In the morning, John and Adam, here's my monthly donation during my knighthood. This is $111.11 per month. Sorry, it's been a week late, but my dad passed away two weeks ago, therefore I had family issues. On my trip to Montana, I found out my mom knew all about Monsanto, so I started propagating the formula, and now I have my brother, brother-in-law, and mom turned on to you. That's a plus three.

1:17:53 On my iPod I've listened to shows all the way back to 243. I was wondering if you could talk about the concentration camps around the country. You're talking about those FEMA camps. We have one in this small town up in the mountain now referred to as a FEMA camp. As of now, the city of Gilbert has invited me to participate in an evacuation of anthrax drill on 4-2-11. Oh, and wait, let me guess. He gets to go to the FEMA camp? I don't know, I didn't do it. Can't make it but have a buddy ready to give me a full sit rep on the goings-on. He'll go and do it. He'll report back. I have a book you might be interested in. The book club is called Arrogance by Bernard Goldberg which is decent. I encourage you to read it and if you find it worthy add to the list and you can we can add that to the list. No agenda book club.

1:18:38 So thank you very much. Let's go down to Ruben Shad, or Shad, in Earlwood, New South Wales, Australia, 6333. Could be shade. Could be shade. Salutation, Sir Dvorak and Curry. Great news, I hit my sister Elkie in the mouth recently. Hey, hey, hey, come here! She's as much a fan of the show as me. Donating for the first time as a 22nd birthday present to her and encourage others to give gifts in this fashion. She was born on the 5th of April, a good year. Good day, I mean. Same day as John, which should count for some extra super karma. Keep those dugs flying high and proud. Yeah, let's hit karma right now. You've got karma. Yeah, she's on the list. Double nickels on the dime from Brett Colbert from Brisbane, Australia. Cheer up, Adam.

1:19:33 Couldn't get through the week without you, mate. Yeah, right on. Down one, hold on. Sir Greg Stone is next. Yeah, but it's like... No, actually, yeah, Sir Greg Stone, shameless plug. He says for Rorystone.com, R-O-R-Y stone dot com, Squarespace from Dvorak plugs, karma always welcomed. Karma always available to you. You've got karma. The night's getting infinite amount. Michael in Beaverton, Oregon. John and Adam, this is my first time donating, but in lieu of a de-douching, I'd like a little help with a school marketing project. Our project team has chosen to do a project on the beer industry and could use some help from the No Agenda audience with a survey about beer. Go to noagendabeer.com. I can just see the teacher going, noagendabeer.com? What is this all about?

1:20:29 We'd like to end up with a larger than expected sample size and thought this might be a good way to do it. I'll forward the domain to the NOAA Genocide when we're done. You know, I think, first of all, I'm going to give you a de-douching regardless because you deserve that. You've been de-douched. But I have a feeling that our audience, there are a lot of beer drinkers in our audience and they know their beer by the way. Particularly, we've got the guys down under. They know a lot about their beer. and so we'll get a global audience is not a bad idea any donated to the show thank you so much that's great to put that on a me if I when I get back depending on what his time frame is I may put that on the on the Twitter feed oh wow that's not be huge epic thousand people easy

1:21:12 Tanya or Dame Tanya, Wyoming in New York, double niggas on the dime requesting karma for a friend Chris a very smart computer tech that recently moved to the Bay Area needs a job. What a great idea. You've got karma. Well I guess if you're in engineering computer stuff right now there's a lot of hiring going on in the Bay Area. That's probably probably a good place to get a job right now. Yeah it seems so. Although this the city of New York seems pretty active. Auden Dragaset? Why do you think I should pronounce that? Yeah, Dragaset. Uh, Bergen. Jersey! Norway, 55. Oh, sorry. I thought it was Bergen County. Bergen, Norway. I'm a chemistry student at the University of Bergen. Need a shot of karma. Hope to get a spot for the Masters in Organic Synthesis and Medical Chemistry. You've got karma. Good man.

1:22:06 I was listening to the a lot of people wishing you a happy birthday. I was listening to the no agenda producers update. I got a podcast and They were trying to figure out your age when they figured you're turning 59 on the fifth. Is that correct? Could be Nora Stan Steenage nor Steen sir snore actually out there in the North Pole, Norway, good man. Our fearless leader sent F-16s to protect stat oils, the Norwegian oil companies investments in Libya. Nice. They sent the F-16 you mean. Can we get that thing started you think? Oh I think we can if we try hard enough. That's your Norwegian? You can try starting it.

1:23:00 My wife's in the background saying, worst accent ever. Really. Contact, clear prop. Do you need the shotgun shell for this, Nora? Yeah, this is really not the right... Shotgun. That's funny. That shows both our age that we understand that one. uh... well as uh... it's an old guy you want to explain it to the uh... no no no no joseph costello pittston pennsylvania uh... double net washington fifty one fifty one the uh... crazy thing uh... this is a special but they shot for my lovely wife mary her birthdays on the fourth she is now as old as i am as i were all for the for next four months please bestow the gift of karma and she's also on the birthday list of course dot karma

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1:25:39 Well, first of all, the black guy thing I take offense to because that's very racist of you to say, but what's the vegan thing? I don't know. Who's the vegan? I don't know any vegan for 2012. But I'd like a vilf. We could get a vilf. That would be cool. I'm not sure about the black guy. I don't know what he's talking about. The vegan is actually Dennis Kucinich. Oh, he's not a vilf. He's not going to win. He's running away from people trying to kill him. Robin Durden, Hoboken, New Jersey, United States, USA, $50, no comment. Lee Donaghy from Great Yarmouth.

1:26:22 Norfolk United Kingdom donation for Adam doing another DSC don't leave it again for over a month, dude Well, dude, you know, we've had the giving levels. Oops. Sorry You've got that was premature carmenization just come without asking. That's right Now everyone's been supporting the show and that's been really great and I had the new mic I wanted to try which still needs I need a different stand for it because it's a rummaging around a little bit. You can't just screw it into a boom. Yeah, but it's too heavy for the rest. Long story. You need a counterbalance boom. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what I need, a counterbalance boom, precisely. Hey, so that's our list, I guess, right? Yeah, and I want to thank everybody who donated, all the smaller amounts, and everybody in between, and the executive producers once again.

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1:27:59 the end of the day eventually people be able to put their businesses on there and I'm still I'm still looking for someone to sponsor the RV for the knowledge in the nation hot pockets across America tour surely someone can hook us up with an RV doesn't have to be with a huge one I would like the one with living room poops out of the side But we'll promote whoever can hook us up with that and it'll be great for the show and get to meet all the producers and we'll create a great book of this fantastic Gitmo nation and it'll be a lot of fun. So we're still looking for that. And let's do this for a second here, John.

1:28:35 It's your birthday, birthday, on Noah's ship, yeah! Alright, Ruben Shade or Shada or Shod wishes his sister Elke a very happy birthday on the same day as my companion and friend Johnson Dvorak was born. 5th of April, she'll be turning 22. Very close in age there as well. Joseph Costello says happy birthday to his wife Mary. It's her birthday tomorrow on April 4th and Arnold Reistat uh... daughter katie turns uh... for on april second happy birthday to all of you for your buddies here at the no agenda show and we have uh... tonight john so uh... do you think that how do you know i i i i have to do i had to ship it separately i was going to say you can get that passed uh... the tsa

1:29:28 Stephen van de Havre or Van der Heve or however they pronounce it here in the Gitmo Nation United States. Stephen, please step forward. We highly appreciate your Giving level as you have now completed the $1,000 required for a knighthood which means a ring will be on its way for you But of course we have a spot for you here at the round table as we now pronounce the sir Stephen Fonda Hava Knight of the Noah John the round table have a seat my friend hookers and blow rent boys cabernet. It's all here just for you Cool. I love me a good nighting hello What are you doing?

1:30:07 You calling room service? That was pretty funny. What are you doing? I didn't come in so loud. I was moving my mic stand, which you've seen pictures of, around and I bumped the phone and it came off the hook. Okay. I don't know why it would be so noisy. You know, again, I'm thinking that there must be people listening to this show, which I'm kind of liking because all of a sudden I'm seeing the Daily Mail, I'm seeing all kinds of mainstream media picking up on this brainwave scramble thing. You know, we've been highlighting and been getting a lot of flack by the way. We say, hey look, these people are, you know, all of a sudden they talk backwards. And then it's like, oh man, it's a medical condition. No, no, no, this is not, this is happening one after another and there's something going on. And it turns out this happened to radio host Ian Punnett, or Punnett. He's on, I don't know, he's on one of these radio satellite networks and he was on promoting on Coast to Coast AM.

1:31:08 And someone sent me a clip, but the same thing happened to him. So we now had this is the Including judge Judy, which we don't have any audio or video from yet. Yeah I know somebody has to have had recorded that from the studio It's recorded definitely and someone's got a copy somewhere if not, they'll be spinning it off and you better be giving it to us So listen to it was the guy's name George whatever from coast to coast am I get it and George Nori Nori, right? he like It's funny because you I think that we're not George Norris that what George Norris No, not George. Norris. He has he has one of the hosts from the network on promoting his show and What I think is we need to pay more attention this because it's it's interesting you actually and I played it as the opening of last week's show you actually did this

1:31:57 At the end of the donation segment last week and I didn't even hear it. I didn't even pick up on it. Of course I was, you know, out of my mind. But I think a lot of people just aren't hearing how many news readers and television personalities might actually be being brain scrambled. Listen to this guy. Okay, next hour we'll take your phone calls with Nick Redfern as we talk about one of Ian Punnett's favorite subjects, cryptozoology. Hey Ian, double duty this weekend, huh? Exactly. Thank you. Were you watching any of the soccer action? Yeah, I did in glimpses, but I'm more fascinated with Paul the octopus. Yeah.

1:32:32 He's picked Spain over the Netherlands and he's not wrong, so you know, off we go. It was a little Maine surprise when we walked in the house. It looked like one great big room and then you could break it up like that. He already talks kind of unintelligible, but this is still normal. Here it comes. Each one could have its own separate heat. And I think, wow, that's, you know, that's... Is this really a good driveway? That depends. Did he threaten the Hoover? You know, did he not put any of the dishes? And and of us who will keep doing this keep that shirt off for any reason at all to get it off. I exactly He's not listening is like he's like like hey, baby. Yeah tickle it over there. Yeah, that's nice and right there That's where I want. Yeah, yeah, and exactly whatever

1:33:18 Listen to the guy. He's like in the Hoover and the driveway and... Each one can have its own separate heat. And I think, wow, that's, you know, that's... It's just gonna really give it a good driveway. And that depends. If you threaten the Hoover, you know, gee, they're not putting in the dishes. And a lot of people keep doing... You're gonna show up for any reason at all to get it off. I exactly you pun it this Saturday and Sunday on coast to coast a What the hell it even just say exactly whatever actually Wow Yeah, we missed that one apparently but By the way, by the way for people out there is pronounced crypto Zoology and not zoology now that was never we used to harp on that. We had an actual zoologist say he was a zoologist and

1:34:06 We've no we had a clip of somebody claiming to be a zoologist, and it was like okay, not really but This is probably too long. Well. It's not that long the program Nova It does and now people are sending me tons and tons of clips about what magnetic Forces do to your brain. I don't want to play it's too boring but you come on really It's not, nah, it's boring. Okay. But you know they have all these, it's always a TV host, interestingly enough, and you're like, well you know we went to see what would happen and then they put a magnet near the guy's head and he starts talking like that, like a babbling idiot. So. Really? Yeah, yeah. And they can make your, you know. This would be like a fun ride at the amusement park. I don't know if it's good for you. I have a feeling it may not be that good.

1:34:57 But yeah, they apparently they have it all mapped out so they know exactly where different functions are in the brain and on this Nova episode link in the show knows no agenda show calm or Sean Hannity calm and You should be using that Until we get the cease and desist I want to keep using it shut up slaves calm You know they literally say okay, I'm gonna make your thumb twitch and then the guy puts the magnet over it It's a big electromagnet, and he puts it over a certain head of his brain the guy's thumb starts to twitch So this is this is like pretty well. This is science that they've they know about they know how to do this stuff I think it's all highly interesting now. I have a couple other

1:35:42 Couple other things I have an end of show clip which is another Russia today beautiful. We're not at the end of the show yet, but It's titled MSNBC's love affair with wars Which is great? I'm telling you these guys are so on to the hammering everybody this Russia today and and then I'm sure they got this so they got Tom Hartman on this thing now you know the thumb yeah thumbs on the thing and he's he looks a he seems to have lost weight he looks like he's something's he looks disturbed and he bugs his eyes out now it's like freaks you out when you see it I would recommend everybody to watch and we have a this is just a short one we have we have a new you know this we didn't even talk about this last week

1:36:28 So, apparently because there was so much flack about the radiation coming from the naked body scanners, they hired some jabroni dudes bag to basically rewrite the press release. And then they do the exact same thing. They don't actually measure the devices. They're saying, well, what the devices emit as per the manufacturer doesn't even say. No one's actually measured the devices. He goes through the whole thing, you know, the whole banana thing, the whole radiation thing. Now we know from congressional hearing that the devices don't work. Don't work. But now we have a new term, a scientific term for the amount of radiation that is coming off of these devices, John. Can you guess what it is? No, but I'm sure it's going to make me annoyed.

1:37:19 53 minutes past the hour right now we're talking about those full-body x-ray scanners in airports of course they've been a center of controversy but also a source of concern for a little while as the debate shifted from the privacy issues to any potential health risks well now a new report by researchers from the University of California finds that although passengers are exposed to some radiation they shouldn't be too concerned. Now so I actually linked to this this these researchers and they haven't they did not do any research they'd literally just rehash all the same BS I mean literally did not research the machines but even the Wall Street Journal was printing this research oh study shows oh shut up slave

1:38:00 Well here it comes, here's the technical term for the amount of radiation coming out of the naked body scanners. Senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen joins us live from Atlanta with details. So we know that you're getting a dose of radiation I guess because they were small, small dose but do they know exactly how much is in these machines and what the effect is? They do and so what these researchers did is they looked at what the dose of radiation you get is and they tried to put it into terms that regular people can understand. And so I'm going to use a term they didn't use, but they basically say that the amount of radiation you get is teeny weeny weeny. There you go. Oh no. That is disgusting. Teeny weeny weeny, John. It's teeny weeny weeny. I'm the senior medical correspondent, all right? Here it comes. Teeny weeny weeny. They looked at what the dose of radiation you get is and they tried to put it into terms that regular people can understand. And so I'm going to use a term they didn't use, but they basically say that the amount of radiation you get is teeny weeny weeny.

1:39:00 This is like, how much more insulting do these people have to get before the public gets outraged? Forget it. No, no, no. See that was my meltdown last week. No, no. I'm just sticking to the people who listen to the show and I'm happy that we have them. So Jay, myself and Mimi went through SFO a couple days ago to come to New York, right? Right. So we're gonna be confronted with the body scanners. So what do you think happened? They weren't in use. No. No, even more interesting. Well, you opted out. They took them out. They're gone?

1:39:43 They were gone. There wasn't any scanners there. SFO? They were the first ones to have them. This is the main part of United where everybody goes in and there was not a scanner to be seen. Wow. So it's just magnometers now? Yeah. Wow. So they're completely gone. Yeah, they weren't abandoned or they weren't on the side. No, they weren't there. Huh. Yeah, I found that weird too. That's very weird. I mean aren't we under imminent terrorist threat? Aren't the terrorists about to attack at any minute? Aren't we under complete lockdown? See something, say something? I mean come on, just like... Say something, say something. I mean we need to call the number. Yeah, I've noticed that the naked body scanners are gone. I need to say something about that. I don't need to. If you're saying it on the show, they'll pick it up. Wow.

1:40:33 Good news! I just want to congratulate SFO for having common sense. Yeah, right. Well, you know, I'm sure that something bad is coming back. One of those humanoid things that MRI Global is making. Good news from Clifford Stanley, Defense Department spokeshole. Hey, don't ask, don't tell. Repeals should be ready by the summer. And I don't believe that to be true because... Oh, that's a good one. We should make a pool. Yeah, okay. So here's how you know it can't be true. So they're doing this training and they have to have to train everybody, you know not to say stuff like a Faggot, you know, that's basically what? It's like this is here's your training manual well We did some of these things like if you see two people kissing off-duty and out of uniform and they're of the same sex Do you a say something be shut up be join in that would be C actually

1:41:31 So roughly 200,000 service members or 9% of the total force, which I find interesting by itself because the Defense Department has not been able to actually say how many people they have on the in the armed forces, have been trained on how to handle the repeal. So they have 91% left to go and they're going to do that in two months? Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so. But, you know, you're right. Let's take the pool, let's see. What do you think? Do you think this year, John, do you think they'll actually do it this year? No. No, I don't think so either. I think we'll have to hear one of these like, it's very difficult, you know, with everyone moving off and shipping them out and, you know, we've got all the camps now in Libya, you know, we just can't be dealing with that right now. We're way too busy. We have more important things to do. More important things to do, like protecting your security. I think that's what it'll be. I don't see any other way.

1:42:26 I was watching the McLaughlin group this morning and I was... Talking about and they would and did somebody did drop the bomb which is one of the things that We talked about on a previous show the potential for the you know to get us to get feet on the ground in Libya They have to attack us literally and so we talked about the false flag possibility Somebody dropped the bomb on this show said you know well, you know the thing is now. He's gonna be mad at us He's gonna be mad at us, and then he's gonna go back to his old terrorist ways. He's gonna bring a plane down Next thing you know we're gonna be under attack. Yeah, so you gotta do that. You gotta bring this into the public consciousness slowly. Well, no, it's not just slowly. We're already getting people a little worried again about airplanes. You know, we had the huge gaping hole appear in the Southwest 737. Yeah, that's... gaping holes appearing in airplanes seems odd. Yeah, well, you know, I think it was maybe CNN was saying, oh, it could have been a meteorite. Yeah, right.

1:43:25 Yeah, alright. A meteorite. Literally, it's like a possible meteorite strike. I don't know, I mean, I do know that if like that flight that got shot at in Charlotte, if you're shooting holes in the top of the plane, yeah, that's a good place for structural damage to take place. Maybe someone shot through it first. Maybe it's one of those. Yeah, maybe this is weird, but that's all you know like trains good planes bad woo woo So a good game by the way some people might want to get a copy of this new game or said I don't know how new it is, but it's out Board game. I think it's a it might be a board game. Maybe a real game. Not sure it's from Z-man games Pandemic no it's a it's a real sale. It's on sale over there at Amazon

1:44:11 Yeah, that's just groovy. If you don't like the new version of Monopoly, which is pretty lame, which uses electronic money so you can... if you're really good... the way you cheat now and the old Monopoly game, you know, you used to have to like point at something to your kids and turn around and you'd steal some of their money. Yeah, exactly. That's the old way. Take a house. The new way is you hack the computer and you steal the electronic money. Oh man, yeah there was some more vaccine noobs. Yeah, let's see, pandemic of course is what you just mentioned there. Colombian scientist discovers how to prevent infectious diseases forever. These guys keep cropping up all the time, they're just trying to get it out there. But the one that really blew me away- What? Wait a minute, let's back up a couple of notches. How does that work?

1:45:09 Colombian scientist Manuel Elkin Pataroyo has Columbia yes so he worked out he's gotten sick of finding different ways to synthesize cocaine well yeah there you go exactly that it has discovered the chemical properties which will permit the creation of synthetic vaccines to prevent virtually all the existing infectious diseases of the world you're right it was probably a synthetic coke guy he said I know how to do that why can't I apply it to something else We'll see so I guess the idea is whatever the infectious diseases He can rebuild it within seconds and then make a vaccine out. Is that the idea? It's what it's that kind of sounds like that. What was the drug that was against restless leg syndrome remember that we had the commercial Yeah, and I remember the drug, but it was something stupid Right, but you know apparently you don't need the drug. I

1:46:04 Well that we knew from the beginning. No but I mean yeah but they've here it is RLS as is known restless leg syndrome. They have now... hold on a second... Apparently masturbating makes your restless leg syndrome go away. That's funny. Yeah, it's an April 1st obviously. But that's what New Scientist did. I thought it was pretty funny. I thought it was good. I read your April 1st column like, really John? Facebook being bought by the Chinese and the Indians? Really?

1:46:43 I was believable. No, I mean everything except the whole idea of Facebook being bought by the Chinese and the Indians. I got the email asking me if I was serious. Is this a true story? Please. I'm just saying you can't be as outrageous as you think. I mean you can be as outrageous as you want to be if you just play it straight people will believe the story. I've done April Fool's gags for, I don't know, 30 years. I've always had one every year. I've done one. This happened to be an April Fool's column right on the first. It was perfect, so I did it. And I played the thing as straight as I could. There's a bunch of tells in there, obviously. I put as many as I can. Yeah, like the whole Facebook being bought by the Chinese and India thing.

1:47:29 Yeah, that would be the big tip for like 700 billion right John excellent duh I'm telling you I got emails as you is this right? Yeah from did they have an AOL comm email address that these were coming from? Maybe maybe all right. Let me go to get my nation down under there is a An excellent program and I just want to play this because I mean we don't have guests on this show But I could only imagine if we did it would be and this is actually under the heading of So we've been tracking for a while now the the carbon taxes that are going to be implemented in in Gitmo nation down under and this of course is as everyone up in arms mainly because

1:48:23 The new prime minister there, the crazy lady, what's her name, Gillard, she said, we're not going to have any carbon taxes. And then she gets in office like, hey, it's time for some carbon taxes. And apparently it's going to be like 700 billion. So these two guys on Melbourne radio station MTR 1377, Steve Price and Andrew Bolt, who are both deniers and have been denounced by the left as being deniers. So it's kind of like the Adam and John of Down Under, only we're much prettier. They get the government's chief climate scaremonger on the phone. His name is Tim Flannery.

1:49:09 According to Steve Fisher who is our our producer who sent this clip to me guys a complete shill constantly refers to himself as being independent But he is also the architect of Gillard's carbon tax and he's of course his job is you know He's a spokeshole. He's supposed to convince everybody that we have to actually pay carbon taxes to save the world and These guys have done something which I and I just want to play the whole clip and I will not interrupt we should just shut up and listen to it it is so good that this needs to be done in America and Anybody can do this all you have to do is confront these elitist pricks who were trying to steal your money with the actual data and they do it to this guy to this Tim Flannery and he and and he just can't he can't get out of it and they completely make such a beautiful point and

1:50:00 Have a listen to this. Have you got a number? I mean, there must be some numbers. I just need to clarify in terms of the climate context for you. If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop for about a thousand years. Right. But I just want to get to this very basic fact. I'm finding it really curious that no one has got a fact. If I buy a car,

1:50:43 I pay the money, I want to know how much it costs and I want to know if it's going to do the job. In this case I want to know the cost of cutting our emissions by 5% by 2020 and will it do the job? How much will the world's temperatures fall by? if Australia cuts its emissions by this much? Well, as I said, it'll be a very, very small increment. Can you give us a rough figure? A rough figure? I'm sorry, I can't because it's a very complex system and we're dealing with probabilities here. Will we talk about... I'm just trying to get the facts in front of the public so we know what we're doing. Just unbiased, is it about, I don't know, are you talking about a thousandth of a degree, a hundredth of a degree? What sort of rough figure?

1:51:24 If just let me finish and say this, that if the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years, right? Because the system is overburdened with CO2 that has to be absorbed and that only happens slowly. That doesn't seem a good deal. What's that, sorry? That doesn't seem a good deal. If we spend trillions of dollars to cut the world's emissions, that we won't notice the difference Well our great great great great great grandchildren won't even notice the difference. It'll just keep getting worse if we don't. That's the problem. But I just want to get back to the fact that someone surely must have done the sums and I'm looking at some sums here. Someone surely must have done the sums that for all these billions of dollars we're spending in programs

1:52:09 that it's going to have a consequence in terms of cutting the world's temperatures. So you don't know about Australia, you don't know, but you wouldn't dispute that it's in about a thousandth of a degree around that magnitude, right? It's going to be small, as I said, if we do a mission tomorrow globally... Hard facts, Tim, hard facts. ...for a long time. But this is a hard fact, it's not going to drop, right, for a long time. So it's not going to drop and it's not going to be anything we notice. Alright, well look, you said it's about getting the world on board, alright? Let's say the world follows our lead By how much, by say 2100 then, 2100, will the spending of these trillions, by how much will that cut the world's temperatures to the nearest 1000th of a degree? It's not going to drop for hundreds of years. These guys are awesome.

1:52:59 Wow, where'd you get that clip? I just told you from Stephen Fisher our producer in Melbourne. This is from MTR 1377 and then they go on and they like talk about all these scientists who Who denounced the whole idea of CO2 global warming, climate disruption, etc. And the guy's like, well, I wouldn't discredit him. Well, him neither. Well, you know, it just goes on and on. These guys are great. Awesome. I can't wait to meet these guys when we go visit. Really good. And this is like the main guy and they're just saying, okay, so what is it? Well, we won't see any change for a thousand years. Well, that doesn't seem like a good deal.

1:53:41 for trillions of dollars especially when the Indians aren't gonna do anything. Yeah, it doesn't seem like a big deal. We've had that blip on a few times, you know, the Indians have already just said no we're not doing it. Whatever it is you go do it yourself But does that mean conversely John that if we just keep on trucking the way we go that we won't actually see anything really bad happen for another thousand years or does it not work that way well, let me take a let me take a Well it would the way they put it. Yeah, that's what exactly what would happen Let me just ask you a question. Do you believe in peak oil me? No, I think abiotic oil is much more likely I don't think we're running out of oil at all. Well, if you ask most people who are

1:54:20 This is what I told you, but okay, you're playing it back to me, I like it. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I was playing it back to you on purpose. You were supposed to pick it up. Yeah, no, I'm right. I'm sorry, let me put it differently. Yeah, man, we're totally, we're running out of oil. We need to figure out some way to get some other kind of energy, you know, like from the sun or the wind or batteries or something, like double Ds, because peak oil, man, peak oil, in the 70s we already ran out of the oil. Well then what's to worry about? Exactly. That's what they should have asked. Although we know that even our guy, our chief, our spokesman, what's his name? The scientist guy?

1:55:07 Is it Holdren? Holdren? Holdren? I don't know. Yeah, he's like, he's like, no, no, no, let's not talk about X-Man, the Ick Pay Oil Pay. Talk about that. He's the only guy that has a clue. So you got to give a guy like that credit for picking up on stuff like that. Yeah, this was really good. So I really like these two guys. Who is it? Steve Price and Andrew Bolt. Yeah, but the whole clip, could you put on the show notes? Yeah, no, absolutely. I'll put it in the show notes. And congratulations to Gitmo Nation Brussels Sprouts. As you now officially have a world record for the country left without a fully functioning government longest period ever. And on Tuesday, hundreds of students gathered in squares around the country for their Revolution de Frite in protest of this atrocity.

1:56:00 So what did the gut Dutch ever have a put a government together? Yeah, yeah, they gotta go well I mean call it a government. Yeah, they got a government sure well, then I have to ask the question. How would you know? Right it's just Pop-up videos Oh web is being destroyed give my nation leprechaun our friends there in Ireland Of course the IMF and the European Union and the World Bank, you know, they've made Ireland their bitch along with Greece and something new is being introduced within the coming year. Property tax for all homeowners. As if it wasn't great enough, now you have to pay property tax, which I guess they didn't have previously. I'm sorry to hear that for you guys. Yeah, it totally sucks if you never had it.

1:56:57 You know, first is you got your sales tax, you got your property tax, you got your fees, you got your income tax, you got your state income tax, you got your local, your federal income tax, and you've got now of course they want to do a value-added tax in the United States which is just another tax. We're being taxed to death. And there's corporate tax on top of that which the public has to pay for because let's face it, they tax a corporation 35%. Who pays that 35% in the end? Yeah, we do of course. Yeah, so everything you buy is 35% on top of everything you're paying tax on. So in other words, what you do is you take a corporate product, so it would have been a dollar and you would have paid like 5% sales tax on it, which would have been a buck oh five. But because the company has to pay 35% income tax on the product, they actually now have to sell for not a dollar but a buck 35. So the 5% income, the 5% sales tax actually goes up. So you double dip on this deal. And then now they figure, well, let's just make it 10%. So now you're paying 13 cents instead of a nickel

1:57:59 for the same item and don't forget you're paying tax on x excise for gasoline so you're paying tax on tax probably paying I'd say I mean if you really look, if you really, I wish somebody would dig deeper than they do. I mean I've seen a bunch of these things showing that we're paying like 50%. We had someone actually try to figure out what we're paying. I think we are paying more tax in the United States than anywhere else in the world. It just doesn't come in the form of income tax per se. And what's annoying to me is we saw it. We went to see a comedy act and some guy went on bragging about how great it was to be an American because we have the lowest taxes in the world.

1:58:37 What planet is this guy from? Yeah. Okay. You have to go to a show, I believe. By the way, they just walked in with the tickets. Okay. So... Spider-Man. Oh, good. Good. I hope someone falls. No, if you get that's that's why you're going you just want to see someone fall. No No I mean in fact in this morning on New York when they were talking they were just the meme in New York is that this? May be the biggest bust in the history of Broadway Really that bad, huh, so it was it was easy to get tickets apparently

1:59:15 Yeah, I guess. It's like, these guys are like, hey man, I'll give you a Spiderman ticket for a smoke. You got a cigarette? You got a cigarette? I got Spiderman tickets. We'll see. I'll let you know. Some people said it's great entertainment. Well, it's great. We'll get a review. We'll get a review and we'll look forward to that. And let me run through some magic numbers before you go there, John. Vodafone has bought out 33% of Vodafone SR for $5 billion cash. Times of India, 211 candidates in fray for only 33 seats. Of course we had the budget deal, $33 billion in cuts. We have Google now with 33% of the smartphone market. And the stink bug academic is now in 33 states.

2:00:05 I have to say my favorites 33 archdiocese and priests accused but not named that's actually a pretty big story which is sad once again and It's funny. I Twitted a link about that and I got some emails from priests. Hey, man, it's not it's like it's not it's not everyone We're not all bad and they apparently if you have a collar on these days you're walking around you get assaulted people like get really pissed off and they you know pull knives on priests and Which I hadn't really considered, but I guess yeah, you know, we'll look at your PR, you know You might want to do something about that maybe just a thought there and A reminder no agenda news network calm is where you can keep up to date on all things happening around Gitmo nation looking for contributors send an email Adam curry calm Put in the subject line knowledge in the news network. If you've got a cool domain name, which is a little less typing we'd be happy to see some forwards for that as well and

2:01:04 And remember we have the end of show clip coming up MSNBC's love affair with wars as reported by Russia today. Quite funny but quite true. And I miss you John, I miss you back at home base. It's kind of tough with the Skype connection sucks and... Yeah well I'll be back on Thursday and I'll have a review of Spider-Man and more. Yay! And I guess we might have some news on some shysters. We always have news on shysters. And remember to support the show, Dvorak.org slash NA, channel Dvorak dot com slash NA or noagendanation dot com. Noagenda show dot com for all the show notes coming to you from Gitmo Nation West, the People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And from Gitmo Nation, glassy buildings, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk again on Thursday and we'll be here regular time, 9 a.m. Gitmo Nation West, on your NOAgenda.

2:02:07 Believed by many to be the most liberal of all cable networks, MSNBC, pro-Obama. It is clear that it matches what he said about that issue at the very start of his presidency. Pro-union. The conservative right in this country, they say you're nothing but a bunch of pre-voters. That's what they say. And also, unmistakably, pro-war. Blogger, filmmaker and former journalist Danny Schechter says television makes war possible. We couldn't have wars in America if TV networks didn't glorify them in some way and make them exciting and give action-oriented coverage, what I call militainment. Iraq. Afghanistan. And now...

2:03:02 Yes, the US involvement in Libya. Let's get it done. Let's arm these rebels. Let's give them a chance to fight. A sentiment also supported by MSNBC's most liberal talk show hosts, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. It seems to me there's a practical war making tactical success that they believe they could have in this particular country. Exactly, he kept describing himself as sort of acutely aware of the risks and the costs of America doing any sort of military intervention and so you're exactly right. I think we have to do it. It is a moral decision at this point. So you might be thinking, well, that's just because the US involvement in Libya falls under a Democratic president. But as it turns out, MSNBC has had a long-standing love affair with war. Remember Ashley Banfield? Oh my God. Look behind us. She became a star reporter covering the World Trade Center attacks. But in 2003, she made a speech at Kansas State University just as the war in Iraq was getting started.

2:04:06 She said about the coverage, MSNBC refused to let her out of her contract, but but kept her off air, thus muzzling her. It happened too with former independent governor Jesse Ventura. CNN, MSNBC and Fox got in a bidding war for me. MSNBC won. Then a phone call asking if it was true that he didn't support the war in Iraq.

2:04:44 Well, it turned out they wouldn't put me on the air. They paid me for all three years, they pulled my show, and I sat and collected paychecks and I couldn't say anything because my contract said I couldn't do any cable or any news shows for three years. So too did Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Peter Arnett after giving this interview on Iraqi TV. America is reappraising the battlefield, delaying the war maybe a week. in rewriting the war plan. The first war plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance.

2:05:20 When MSNBC was still up and coming, its highest rated show was hosted by this man, Phil Donahue, an outspoken critic of the war. You know, we're all now, everybody's righteous, what a terrible Hitler this is. We were mute when he was doing that, he was RSOB. Absolutely. And now we're sending our sons and daughters to war to fix that mistake? It doesn't seem fair to me. That show was cancelled a few weeks before the war started. Phil Donahue was an anti-war voice on MSNBC, one of the cable news channels. and a memo that was leaked as the Donahue show was cancelled is very explicit. It said, we don't want this to be a face of NBC as the United States goes into war. Looks like to stay on board, you need to sound more like this. Look, I am a liberal, I am a progressive, but that means that we need to stand behind people who want freedom.

2:06:17 This isn't Bush talk, this is totally different from Iraq, it's totally different from any other situation. Squirrel!