Sand Battery

00:00 We're baking! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. This is no agenda. Running on backups and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas new country here in FEMA Region Number 6. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's another nice day, I'm John C. Dvorak. Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Woo! Show prep is hard, man. It's a grind. It's a grind to... I'll tell you this. Last year, June, where we normally have kind of a mild summer. Yes. And then it gets cold. Yes. Especially in July. Yes. It was miserable last year. It was gloomy every day of June. I bet you moaned about it. Then it just stayed cold. It didn't warm up until October.

00:53 Did you go back? This year's more normal. Did you go back in your diary and look it up? No, I remember it. It was so miserable. Before we start a couple of... And by the way, wait, wait. I advise to people out there who are younger, especially if you're going to be a writer or anybody, just being even a normal person, do a diary. Do a diary. Do a diary. Yes, I do a diary. Do you do a diary? No, I wish I did. Well, you can see it's never too late to start. It's too late to start. Do you know that I still have diaries.com and that every day someone asked to buy that from me? What? You have diaries.com? I do. I do. But no one ever, no one ever hits my number. They're like, and the worst is like, tell us what the number is publicly and maybe somebody will. One Bitcoin.

01:49 That's too low. No one's ever even bitten for that. You're now my official broker. You know what art.com sold for? Yeah, but that's art.com. That's not diaries.com. Hello? One million dollars. Okay. Oh, if you can get a million dollars, I'll give you half. Okay. Oh, all of a sudden, JCD is awake. Oh, I have to make an announcement. During this program, our troll fact-checkers will be muting our mics if either of us starts to spew disinformation or if we're talking over each other. Well, I'm telling you the truth. I don't understand how they could possibly be muting us out of the blue because I think it would sound terrible. That's really funny. That's a good gag, John. I like how you do that. It's very funny. Two other mentions I have to let you know.

02:53 We discussed on the previous episode about my hard drive in the B-Link. Yes, we did. And I, of course, had ordered a replacement drive. I had the connectors. I'm ready to do the, the what is it? The ghosting. And yesterday I didn't do any, I'll tell you why I didn't do anything on Tuesday. Wednesday morning I walk in and it failed. It's done. It's toast. What did we talk about last show at the end of the show in the Mayacopa and that Mayacopa with the post-mortem? What did we talk about? You said, what did we, we talked about on the show. We talked about this, about this drive and that I had to get a new drive and I didn't even have time to do it. It failed on Wednesday. So I'm running on the backup machine. The whole B-link is toast. I don't think I can, I don't think I can bring that drive back to life.

03:48 Probably not. And then so I open up this B-Link thinking, oh, this will, you know, might as well do it. And, uh, and you open it up, you open the bottom. It's like, oh, there's a nice little slot for a drive. There's no drive in there. No, no, you've got to open it. You've got to break this whole case. That's for an add on drive. I know, but it's not like the easiest to get this thing out of the B-Link. It sucks. I'm sad I ever took your advice to get one. I had a bee-link that the same thing happened. I have another one now. Same thing happened, that's why I warned you about getting it out of there as fast as you could, which you didn't. I did. It was like a... I was going as fast as I could, which I did. It wasn't fast enough. But getting the drive in and out of that thing is not that hard. It's not like a miserable experience. Let me ask you a question. Does the B-link that failed on you, does that contain the password to Dvorak.org? Slash NA? Is that the drive that failed? Why?

04:52 Well, because you're unable to change that. Well, all I know is this was over probably a year and a half, two years ago. So I don't remember. It probably had a password or two on it, but it was beside the point. I'm more cautious now and I back everything up. I'm very cautious. So I'm now I'm running on the surface eight, which who knows how those things were. That thing, you can't do anything with that drive. It's baked in there. It's solid. Yeah, that's the idea. That way the whole machine is toast. You can't change anything or fix it. And then the other, uh, it just should be illegal. Just a minor announcement. Um, I had a, uh, a periodontal procedure on Tuesday, so I'm a bit swollen and, uh, and, uh, it only, it's a lucky, it only really hurts when I really laugh, but I had a bone graft. So, uh, some compassion, please. I'm supposed to,

05:51 completely eliminate my humorous one-liners and the rest? See, it's already hurting. Stop that. Because you can't laugh? I told him... Show some willpower, man. I told him, I said, can't we do this, you know, after the show on Thursday? He said, no, no, no, Adam, there's a... No, no, no, I got a cocktail party. This is a special on Hamas bone this month, so we might as well do it now. Hey-o! There it is. If you hear me go ala walk bar, you'll know why. I don't understand. They probably put an implant. I don't understand. Probably a microphone is now in your mouth. No, no, it's the implant is already in there. I needed some bone grafted on because the bone. Yeah. Yeah. Microphone grafted on. Hmm. Okay. You can just listen to the podcast. You don't need to be listening to my built in grafted microphone. Well,

06:44 Well, we get that way they can pick up what we say after the show, which is not broadcast. Oh, yeah. Well, which is mainly consists of you saying, told you so. Told you you should have fixed that. No, that's just so nice. Try. That's you. Anyway, today, every everybody in M5M land is all giddy, all jacked up. Oh, it's the big day. It's the big day. It's the big day. Today's the big day. It's the big day. It's a big day. It kind of overshadows Assange, to be fair about it. Assange was left, I think it's almost timed that way. I think they, why did they release Assange during this like last week?

07:28 I have a series of Assange clips by the way if you want to talk about him. Let me do a backgrounder and then you play your Assange clips. This is a shorty. Julian Assange spent the day traveling. Video released by his team documenting his journey today on a private jet from the UK to Bangkok and finally to the northern Mariana Islands where he's just landed and will appear in a US court. The Justice Department's 18 charges against him, including conspiring with Army intelligence officer Chelsea Manning to hack US secrets, reduced to just one plea deal. And he will get credit for time served, five and a half years in a UK jail. In 2010, Assange's WikiLeaks released a trove of material, including details of the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. This the end of a long standoff. His next stop will likely be Australia.

08:16 where his wife and children are waiting for him. I'm always baffled why NBC has Brits doing all the reporting. Why all the... Did we run out of American reporters? There has to be some study that was done. Oh yeah, it's more serious if it's from a Brit, right? In certain instances they felt obliged to use Brits because it conveys some subtext that we don't understand because we never saw the study. Okay, fair enough. Don't you think? Yeah, possibly. It's a little irksome. It is. I don't like it either. They don't have American journalists over there on the BBC. Not that I can tell. At least I haven't seen any. All right, so you have some assignments. I have the PBS breakdown. Okay. And it was...

09:11 It's fairly complete. It went on and on and on. It went a lot further. It had the, they brought in an expert who hated Assange and thought he should be shot. And some... Good old PBS. And some, and this guy was like a stooge if there ever was. I didn't clip it. And then they had, as a counterpoint, some kind of a wimpy, Freedom of speech guy who's well, you know, I don't think so So that wasn't worth it. But I think the overall Coverage was okay. Let's go with the Saj one elitist voices of America This is NPR

09:50 WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, a brave whistleblower to his allies, a national security threat to his critics, is on the verge of being a free man. Assange is pleading guilty in a court in the Northern Mariana Islands, that's the US Commonwealth, and will be sentenced to time served, allowing him to return to his native Australia. Nick Schifrin is here tracking this story. Nick? Jeff, Assange is notorious for some of the largest leaks of classified information in U.S. history, as well as posting emails that played an outsized role in the 2016 election. And tonight, the WikiLeaks founder is ending a decade-long legal saga with the U.S. and heading home. Tonight, Julian Assange's brief and final moments on U.S. soil to appear in perhaps the U.S.'s most remote courthouse on the northern Mariana Islands.

10:39 His road to freedom began this morning on the way to a British airport, signing his plea deal, documents, and landing in Bangkok, his first time outside the United Kingdom in 14 years. Court documents reveal that Assange will plead guilty to a single felony to receive and obtain documents, writings, and notes connected with the national defense, including such materials classified up to the secret level, and willfully communicate documents relating to the national defense. He will spend no time in US jail and more than 62 months spent in a British prison will count for time served, allowing him to return to his native Australia where Prime Minister Anthony Albanese today celebrated his release. Regardless of the views that people have about Mr Assange's activities, the case has dragged on for too long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Elmer. Do you have any opinion in general on the fact that he took a plea deal?

11:40 I think it was a wise thing to do. He wanted to get out of there. I think there was a couple of peculiarities, I thought. Since when does time served in a British prison count as time served in America? Are we running the whole world like that? So that that prison is the same as one of ours? I could make that case. Yeah, I could make the case. Hey, we let them do our news. We might as well, you know, control their jails. I guess so. It just seems like on one hand, because I read the plea agreement, which was quite extensive. And of course, what really isn't discussed, because we were doing the show when this came out, it's only mentioned a little bit, even in that background or clip I played, is really the horrendous video. I mean, I think that's really what the big issue was. I agree. How nasty that was. In fact, they showed that video on this report. Oh, they did? And they've showed it a lot. Oh, okay.

12:41 Yeah, they showed that video and that video we're less to back up but not with audio with audio where they go like yeah, that's with the audio. Yeah, smoke them really with the smoke. Welcome Wow, so they had a video this is a Everyone should know this but we're just gonna remind everyone that one of the first things wiki leaks did that was really pretty substantial was they showed a video that was captured, I don't know where they got it from, one of the choppers and this was in Apache helicopter. And was this in Iraq, Iran? Iraq. Iraq. Okay. It wasn't Iran, obviously. It was either Iraq or Afghanistan. So it was Iraq. And then they had this video showing there's two Reuters reporters and they had targeted one of them. These are news guys and they

13:33 Gunned him down from this from the helicopter. Well, not even that but then when the ambulance showed up they shot the ambulance Yeah, they shot they shot up the place. I mean, that's exactly what we accused the terrorists of doing it was but it was nasty the the Chilling and I use that word advisedly the chilling aspect was the matter-of-fact attitude of the of the helicopter pilots It's like they didn't give a shit. They were just, okay, let's get them a smoke them. And it was just, it was very matter of fact. Yeah. Now to be fair, it was cold. It was cold blooded to be fair when you're in a war situation. And I've been to Iraq during the war. Nobody knows anything and you just get, I mean, I can see how you just got like that. I'm not going to argue that, but it was to the American public to see this and witness it and listen to these guys.

14:30 It was terrible. Now, he really didn't get arrested until the Hillary and Podesta emails. I think that's when they put their foot down. Yeah, they did that and they so they said they found some Swedish girls that accused him of oh yeah There was that whole thing you don't forget. That's that's how they got that's how I first got his tit in the ringer So to speak and that was a fake deal that was some phony baloney thing about that because they pulled out of it after they Jailed him and then once he went to the Ecuadorian Embassy they could they they cancelled that part because now he was because he went out on bail and then jumped into the embassy, and that meant he was a bail flaunter. And so now they could put him back in jail because he violated his terms of the bail. The whole thing was just a scam. But this report also includes something that I thought was very... This is classic PBS propaganda in here. You'll hear it.

15:28 You'll catch it because I kind of ended on one of those notes. Let's play part two. There's nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and we want him brought home to Australia. The course of the war needs to change. Nearly 15 years ago, Assange presented himself as the ultimate truth teller, revealing what he called the reality of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. including a 2007 U.S. military attack in Baghdad that killed two Reuters journalists. WikiLeaks dropped 400,000 classified documents that the Pentagon said risked U.S. informants' lives. They were leaked by U.S. Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning, later convicted under the Espionage Act. In 2010, he was arrested by British authorities after two Swedish women accused him of sexual assault. Charges later dropped.

14:30 It was terrible. Now, he really didn't get arrested until the Hillary and Podesta emails. I think that's when they put their foot down. Yeah, they did that and they so they said they found some Swedish girls that accused him of oh yeah There was that whole thing you don't forget. That's that's how they got that's how I first got his tit in the ringer So to speak and that was a fake deal that was some phony baloney thing about that because they pulled out of it after they Jailed him and then once he went to the Ecuadorian Embassy they could they they cancelled that part because now he was because he went out on bail and then jumped into the embassy, and that meant he was a bail flaunter. And so now they could put him back in jail because he violated his terms of the bail. The whole thing was just a scam. But this report also includes something that I thought was very... This is classic PBS propaganda in here. You'll hear it.

15:28 You'll catch it because I kind of ended on one of those notes. Let's play part two. There's nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and we want him brought home to Australia. The course of the war needs to change. Nearly 15 years ago, Assange presented himself as the ultimate truth teller, revealing what he called the reality of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. including a 2007 U.S. military attack in Baghdad that killed two Reuters journalists. WikiLeaks dropped 400,000 classified documents that the Pentagon said risked U.S. informants' lives. They were leaked by U.S. Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning, later convicted under the Espionage Act. In 2010, he was arrested by British authorities after two Swedish women accused him of sexual assault. Charges later dropped.

16:19 And after he failed to make bail, he fled into Ecuador's embassy in London, where he remained for seven years. As WikiLeaks stands under threat, so does the freedom of expression. WikiLeaks has released what appears to be transcripts. In 2016, WikiLeaks posted documents that Russian intelligence had hacked from the Hillary Clinton campaign. No, that's not true. Exactly. You caught it. Yeah, that's not how that went down. It was Podesta got phished. If I recall correctly. Well, that was one element, but we're talking about the stuff that was taken, believed to be taken by Seth. Oh, Seth Rich. Oh yes, of course. Of course. Hey, by the way, I think that they should say just to be correct, because it bugs me.

17:13 that he got those documents from Bradley Manning, who later became Chelsea Manning. They should do that, but I'm going back to this other issue, which is the claims, because Because Assange himself said this did not come from the Russians. Yes, I remember he did the interview in the Netherlands about it. He made a big fuss about it. No, that's not the Russians. What were the Russians got to do with it? They didn't care. As far as they're concerned, the killer he could have gotten in doesn't make any difference to them. But this was the beginning. That was the beginning of the Russia hoax. momentum began with the notion that the Russians stole emails from Hillary. And there's no evidence of it. They can't prove that. It's just an assertion that the left-wing media and PBS made, and they're sticking to it because here we are, what, a decade later and they're still saying it?

18:14 I find that to be abhorrent in that report. Maybe there's another shoe to drop somewhere. I don't think so. I think the reason they did this during this debate moment is so nobody notices that Assange has even been released. It's really been downplayed. The jet that he got on, from what I gathered, was sent by Kim.com. He sent the private jet. I didn't know that. Yeah, and of course, Kim.com has all the documents which now some of the Hillary emails seem to be missing from the WikiLeaks servers. Oh, they took them down. Yeah. I think that was part of the deal. I think that was the unwritten part of the deal. Yeah, it wasn't in the written deal, so it must have been part of it. Weird. Weird. Yeah, all those Hillary emails are gone. I don't know. I just can't help feeling, but the timing, yeah.

19:08 I don't know. I don't know. But what? I don't know. You what? I don't know. I just said I don't know. You can ask me what. I know, but do you have any idea? What do you think is it? I think it has something. Do you have any thoughts at all on it? Somehow something with Seth Rich. There's some... Remember that, you know, there was a server, the DNC server. The laptop that's never been released that the FBI took. Well, and it went to Ukraine, to CrowdStrike. There's a lot of messiness in this. A lot of messiness. And you know, Zelensky did just change out his top guy once again. Maybe they put Assange in. All right, final report. Clinton said it helped lead to her defeat. He has to answer for what he has done, at least as it's been charged. By 2019, a U.S. grand jury indicted Assange on 18 accounts, including espionage. The embassy evicted him and British authorities arrested him for bail violation.

20:06 A free speech crusader to his allies, a threat to national security to his critics, Assange will now be able to write a new chapter in Australia with his wife Stella. I'll really believe it when I have him in front of me and I can take him and hug him and then it will be real, you know? Now, of course, this doesn't bode well for the media. In essence, this was by pleading guilty, you know, you're saying, well, you can't publish that. That's what the whole document is filled with. Like this was top secret classified. You can't publish it. Kind of goes back to this. You can't do that. And it kind of goes back to Chris Cuomo. Remember, remember Cuomo said you can't even watch that. Right. You can't even read the documents.

20:59 Yeah, I remember that. I wish I could find that. Yeah, Cuomo was saying, you tell him, which if you're a spook is true, which makes it even weirder. Yeah. Spooks. Yeah. If you're working for this, we found this out from spooks. If you're a spook, you can't look at certain things that are actually in the public domain, which has never made any sense to me and no one's ever explained it fully. Well, because you have to live by certain rules, I guess. I don't have that clip. I don't have that. I wish I had that. Certain rules of what? Yeah, the rules of the deep state, man. The rules of the, you know, the kingdom. Can't have you thinking funny things. No, let's not do it. I have one. Let me see if there's any different slant from a democracy now. Warning, Amy Goodman clip inbound.

21:52 Well, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is home in Australia, a free man. Assange's arrival in Australia ends a more than 12-year legal ordeal after he published classified documents detailing U.S. war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Press freedom groups have denounced successive U.S. administrations for targeting Assange, who'd been facing 175 years in U.S. prison if he'd been extradited and convicted. Twelve years ago this month, Assange entered the Ecuadoran embassy where he was given political asylum. He spent seven years there. He has spent the last five years locked up in the harsh Belmarsh prison in London.

22:40 Harsh. Earlier today, Julian Assange flew from London to the Pacific island of Saipan in northern Mariana Islands, where he entered a U.S. district court and pled guilty to a single felony count of illegally obtaining and disclosing national security material. The judge, Ramona Manglona, sentenced him to the five years he'd already spent behind bars, saying, quote, "'You will be able to walk out of this courtroom a free man. I hope there will be some peace restored,' she said." No, no, no. I don't see the media going, hey, man, that's offsides. We should be able to publish what we want. There's been some complaining, but it's been very minor. Yeah. And it's by people like Tucker.

23:27 You saw Tucker in Australia that was amazing Yeah, Tucker in Australia. It's a long clip. It's about I don't know 20 minutes of this was one segment of the question and answers and people should look that up it's on it's on the Twitter for sure and he just goes after some of these people that are the Australian journalists and it's it's almost like he's talking to a robot in one or two cases where they He insults them and says they're stupid and they just keep asking dumber questions. It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen. I was trying to clip it but I thought it was a bit much. I actually pulled a clip but it's three minutes, you know. It's too long. It's not tight enough but he's at his best and he's laughing it up and he's been sent there for something.

24:21 There's something up with him. Well, I presume he's there to interview Julian Assange. That would be... Well, that was what everybody thought. And I'm sure he will do that. But what is the point of this thing that we witnessed on Twitter, this meeting of the journalists in Australia of him giving giving a keynote or some sort of a speech and then insulting everybody. It was a little unclear to me if it was, because I think there were only a couple of Australian journalists there. Cause there was a lot of hooting and hollering and clapping for him. So those weren't the journalists, I'm sure. It was unclear exactly what that was. It was unclear. And I wish there was more context, but they just posted it. It's kind of nice to see the awakening of Tucker though.

25:04 And a little on it, I always thought he was playing more dumb when he was on Fox, you know, than he was letting on. But he really didn't know how bad it was. And to see this awakening is fun. But you know, what does it do more than, yeah, yeah, you show up Tucker. It's not gonna change anything. Bunch of people retweeting. It's not gonna change. The majority of people still look at the news and go, Oh yeah, yep, yep, yep. That seems about right. It does make the news in general does make for some some funny. I mean, that's it helps our show a lot because they are so stupid. What was the so tonight we have I got I got a number of of like pre pre debate clips just because it's so I mean it's so

25:57 Show business II it's very yeah, can I mention something here? And I do have one example and maybe I'll play it after you play your clips there has been an inundation of produced clips pro-trump clips that are attacking Joe Biden hmm And I think it's borderline sick the way they go after him. I mean, it is highly entertaining. I mean, I get a kick out of it. Hello. But it is unbelievably, I would say it has to be categorized as sick.

26:36 Well, give me an example of what is sick. Oh, I don't know if I even... Do I have one? I think I found one, but it's all kinds of stuff. They have just some man on the street. There was a whole series of this one guy. Here's this will liven your life. I mean, they go from, they just play a million guy on the street. and everybody's pro-Trump, black, white, Mexican, Chinese, and it just goes on and it never ends. I'm gonna see if I have one of these. These are just viral clips. This is not on the mainstream media. This is just viral stuff. No, no, these are all viral clips, but they've all been very well, they're very well structured. Here's a talk anti-Biden clip. This is what the typical. Okay, here we go. Look, I'm not a young guy. That's no secret. But here's the deal. I understand how to get things done for the illegal aliens. I encourage the surge of illegals at the U.S. border. I would in fact make sure that there is an immediate surge to the border. I got it done. You know how I know the border's wide open? I sent my girl Kamala to take care of it. Do not come.

27:40 Do not come. I believe the job of the president is to fight for you, the foreign invaders, and that's what I'm doing. I'm a complete dipshit and I approve this message. You know, that was good, but I thought some of the stuff that hit the mainstream was even better. First, let me give you the little horse race. This is how it is for those of you not in America. Uh, this is how it's presented. Biden, Trump, they both want your vote and both want a second term. Now they make their case as they face each other. Watch the CNN presidential debate simulcast live on ABC, Thursday night at 9 Eastern. I mean, come on. It's like UFC. Where's Rogan? Get him in there.

28:28 Yeah, really. So Martin Short, who doesn't know Martin Short? He's on ABC and he makes a little Biden joke. Now Kyle, let me ask you this. Did you hear the news about Starbucks? No, no. What's the news? Now this is fascinating. Starbucks launched a new energy drink today. It's called Iced Energy. And it's the same amount of caffeine as six cans of Coke. It's true. And it's now available at every Starbucks. just in time for Joe Biden to shoot it up his ass before the debate on Thursday. Come on, that's a good one. Yeah, I like that one. It's not bad at all. CNN took a little, uh... I mean, the fact that they're discussing this is what just makes me smile. Do you think some of the rhetoric, Speaker Johnson, I mean, just knowing you and how you conduct yourself, do you think some of the rhetoric is out of line when people from Trump's team are suggesting that Trump himself, that Biden is going to be on cocaine when he's on that debate stage Thursday night?

29:27 There's a lot of things. This, by the way, just as a because I heard the speeches that Trump did, he was going to get a shot in the ass, you know, and all this. And he and he mentions cocaine in there. He says, I wonder what happened to the cocaine in the white. But that's as far as he goes with it. Right. It's the media that's picked up the cocaine meme. Why are they bringing it up? I mean, they love it because they're all coked up, half of them themselves. When he's on that debate stage Thursday night. Look, there's a lot of things that are said in jest. Of course, no one expects that Joe Biden would be on cocaine, but they do ask questions. Now, of course, no one says he'd be on cocaine like you are. They do ask questions, and I think they're objectively, I mean, I think it makes sense why people are asking, will he be on some sort of energy drinks or something? Okay, look, his energy levels, you can see,

30:19 vary depending on what format he's in and what forum. And, you know, we expect that he'll do what he did at the State of the Union. He had a lot of energy that night. So that's the Joe Biden I expect to see. The question is, can he stay for 90 minutes on that stage and go toe to toe with President Trump, who, as you know, goes to rallies and talks for two hours on end without any break and any notes? So it'll be a very interesting thing to see. I mean, the allegations just about drugs have just been, frankly, ridiculous and obviously are baseless. Bass, obviously, obviously bassless. Why obviously, Caitlin? Why bassless? Why obviously bassless? There's got to be something going on. CNN making a big deal about the technology. There's a lot of tech going on here, a lot of technology about these mic mutes. Yeah, this is something we've never ever done before. We got green buttons, we got mic mutes. Let's do a little package on it. If we go behind the podiums, you can see two green lights. When they're on, they signal to the candidate

31:17 his microphone is on. When the green lights are off, they signal to the candidate his microphone is off. Now I want to give you a sense of what it will look like for viewers at home if a candidate whose microphone is off interrupts a candidate whose microphone is on. So I'm standing at one podium and I'll ask Phil to come in and take the other podium. And so let's say I'm answering a question. My light is green and I'm speaking. Phil's microphone is off and his green lights are not illuminated. He's going to interrupt me as I'm speaking and this is what it will sound like. My volume remains constant while Phil's interruption can be difficult to understand. Now let's try the opposite. My microphone is now on, Victor's microphone is off and he's going to interrupt me. My volume remains constant while Victor's interruption can be difficult to understand. Asena's production team has shared this demonstration with the campaigns earlier today and we're sharing it with you, our viewers, so everyone fully understands how tomorrow night will work. Now we should note by agreeing to participate in this debate both campaigns and candidates

32:18 have also agreed to abide by these rules. Yes, the rules, the rules. Isn't this nice? I should have clipped the meme that was created from that particular piece. Oh. I don't know if you saw it. Probably not. But it's on Twitter. It's the exact same thing, but as the guy says, and now when his mic is off and then you hear Biden is an idiot and he goes on and on. You can hear both sides and it's just, it's pretty funny. It's not, you know, but this again is part of a barrage of negative Biden memes and virals that are out there.

32:56 And there's not one or two, there must be hundreds of them and most of them are quite funny and it's very aggressive. I'd say if you go back to 2015, 2016 when Trump was running against Hillary and you had those few crazy ads that were running on Facebook, the $100,000 worth of ads supposedly that was gonna sway the election somehow, these are much more aggressive. This is pretty funny. The format of the debate kind of, isn't that a throwback to like the 60s when they used to do that with, it was just, there wasn't even an audience? Yeah, that's Kennedy-Nixon, the first Kennedy-Nixon debate, there was no audience. Yeah, and that turned out, did that work well for Kennedy? Yeah, because Nixon was sweating.

32:18 have also agreed to abide by these rules. Yes, the rules, the rules. Isn't this nice? I should have clipped the meme that was created from that particular piece. Oh. I don't know if you saw it. Probably not. But it's on Twitter. It's the exact same thing, but as the guy says, and now when his mic is off and then you hear Biden is an idiot and he goes on and on. You can hear both sides and it's just, it's pretty funny. It's not, you know, but this again is part of a barrage of negative Biden memes and virals that are out there.

32:56 And there's not one or two, there must be hundreds of them and most of them are quite funny and it's very aggressive. I'd say if you go back to 2015, 2016 when Trump was running against Hillary and you had those few crazy ads that were running on Facebook, the $100,000 worth of ads supposedly that was gonna sway the election somehow, these are much more aggressive. This is pretty funny. The format of the debate kind of, isn't that a throwback to like the 60s when they used to do that with, it was just, there wasn't even an audience? Yeah, that's Kennedy-Nixon, the first Kennedy-Nixon debate, there was no audience. Yeah, and that turned out, did that work well for Kennedy? Yeah, because Nixon was sweating.

33:46 Oh, that's right. Well, and ultimately that's what this is about. It's all about the one soundbite. I mean, I still remember Reagan. He said, I won't hold the senator's age against him because he's a much younger man. You know, it's like... Yeah, inexperience. Inexperience, that's right. It's all about the one single soundbite. My favorite one is still, I forgot who, I think it was, who was it? It was a vice presidential debate where the guess is you're no John Kennedy. Right. I knew John Kennedy, you're no John Kennedy. The thing is of course I don't remember who that particular candidate was because he's a VP but it was a good line. But then Biden actually used that line later and said, oh now you're Jack Kennedy. He used that in a debate too. Yeah he tried to plagiarize it but he couldn't even pull it off. Well that's all he does. He can't even plagiarize well.

34:39 So, you know, obviously Biden has one obvious one, convicted felon. Trump has unconvicted felon. OK. You know, I think if Trump is just calm and he and he does. Yeah, this is the make. I think he can do that. I think he can do it. Eh, maybe, maybe not. It's hard to say. I don't think it's going to make a lot of difference when the other people's minds are made up. Zero. No, this is just UFC. This is just, I mean, there's debate parties. Everyone's getting together and you know, my friends of mine, oh I'm on a boat but I got my starlink so I can watch the debate. It's debate night!

35:16 Okay. Yeah, it's, of course you're gonna watch it, I'm gonna watch it, we're not gonna be able to resist. Yeah. I have some more in-depth discussion about this from MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell who brings in the illustrious Chuck Todd from the Toddcast. The Biden and the Trump campaigns are looking at tomorrow's debate. for a major opportunity to shake up a tight race, possibly even trip up their opponents. NBC's chief political analyst Chuck Todd arguing that both Biden and Trump have more to lose than gain from this first debate.

35:51 And Chuck joins me now along with USA Today's Washington Bureau Chief Susan Page. Great to have the two of you. We've seen so many debates, hits and misses. Chuck, what have they got to lose? Well, I will say this. We fall into this trap before where we get so excited about a first confrontation. Sometimes it's a first primary debate or first general election debate. And then we always go, whoa. They didn't really lay a glove on each other. They really were sort of feeling each other out. And it's like, yeah, because- That would be horrible if we don't have anything to play. Suddenly their operatives remind the candidates, hey, there's a lot of people tuning into you guys for the very first time. You're making a first impression. And while these guys have already made their first impressions, arguably, there's still somewhat of that. And I do think six weeks ago, Biden really needed to do something to shake up the race.

36:41 What's interesting is that in the last six weeks, I could argue both campaigns have gotten steadier. Both campaigns feel better about their current state and operationally, both campaigns are in a better place than they were six weeks ago. And so when you're entering a debate where you're actually feeling like your path to victory is visible to you, you're going to be a little more risk averse. These are, I'm not saying Captain Chaos won't show up. But I think if you're coming from the perspective of the operatives I've talked to, I think this could be less fireworky than people think. Operatives? What are you talking about? Spooks? The operatives are Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. Hello? Those are the operatives. Yeah, I think they're part of the whole thing. Now I should mention that Lisa was put in the newsletter. One of our producers, Drop Coats, said

37:32 He says the reason for the week-long delay is so they can do a new mask. Yep. And create a new perfect mask because they can do the mask, there are masks out there you can, if you're a... I'm all in on the masks. The masks are real and they work and they're very convincing and they're undetectable. I know from my own family's experience. And you have, so you have a new guy, a new actor in a Biden mask with the polished teeth and it sounds a lot like Biden, but he may or may not be Biden. I think voice record would be good to do a voice graph and see what happens. Dude, who's the crackpot here? And so the idea is, well, it's just like you said, this is not a technology that's not unknown.

38:17 And so you have an actor and it takes a week for him to memorize because they have the questions. They're already, CNN has the questions that it gave the Biden campaign. So they can say, oh, here's the questions and here's the answers. And they had to practice. It's going to take a week of acting for this phony baloney Biden to to actually present well. And and the reason they put the and they have the the two candidates, especially long distance away. Now I'm a little cracked body on this part. Long distance away because Trump won't be able to see him close enough to identify a mask if it's even doable. Or to jam the earring. Or to jam with a pocket jammer. I had one of these. I don't know where this thing went. It's in your office somewhere. All band pocket jammer you can put in your pocket.

39:08 And I tested it when I was at Mevio with a couple of guys there. I said, make a phone call and see if you can get a connection. And they got a connection. I reached over in my breast pocket and just pushed the button and started this thing, knocked the call right off the line instantly. All band pocket jammer. Mamma jammer. All band pocket jammer. So you can jam, but it's only good for about four or five feet. So you move Biden way over the other side and it might also interfere with the... With the mics. Well, if they're using wireless mics, it will interfere with the mics. If it's not wireless, it shouldn't make a difference, but it would interfere with any earwig or any little device that was put in Biden's ear. But the bottom line is, I mean, OK, fine. I don't care if it's Biden or someone in a mask who has an earwig. Trump has the natural

40:02 style. He can, he's still quick on his feet. Just because it won't be Biden going, and falling down doesn't mean that Trump... But that's what I want to see. Well, exactly. That's what we really want. We want the real Biden. We want him stumbling and mumbling and saying weird words that nobody can understand and maybe passing out. I mean, that would be the best, but that's not going to happen if they're going to have a guy in a mask. OK, it's really it doesn't matter. The whole thing doesn't matter, the debate doesn't matter. What matters is Jake Tapper's record. Former President Donald Trump in an interview earlier today was given a chance to clear up any confusion about his Hitler echoing comments in which he said... This is some classics from 2020. ...that immigrants from South America, Africa and Asia, not Europe, just South America, Africa and Asia, are quote, poisoning the blood of our country. The dehumanizing rhetoric of Adolf Hitler

41:03 is once again alive and well on a national political stage. If you were to open up a copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf, you would find the Nazi leader describing the mixing of non-Germans with Germans as poisoning. The Jew, Hitler wrote, quote, poisons the blood of others. There's really no other way to say it. Donald Trump's language mirrors this directly. Yes, he's Adolf Hitler. I'm going to go back to Andrea Mitchell with the USA Today lady who was on with Chuck. And it was high risk, high reward for Joe Biden because the exposure without a teleprompter on a stage for 90 minutes.

41:41 you know, he could falter and any single moment could be, could go viral. Especially the way even innocent moments, not, you know, not damage, undamaging moments like in the G7 are, you know, faked and edited out of context. You know, they've not only had their first impression made, their second and third and fourth impressions, they're all made. Their images, their views, the views of voters to that each of these candidates is set in political concrete. So the risks now I think is less to like make an impression you've never made before, more that the other guy or you make some kind of error that then gets repeated over and over and over again on cable TV and on social media and that that becomes the image that people remember.

42:24 Yeah, but that won't change anybody's vote. No one's going to switch because of this debate. Everyone's dug their heels in. I'm in total agreement. This is hard. This is ratings. Are they having ads? Are they going to roll ads on this thing? One I that's the same question last show. Yeah, I want to know what one ad one ad who's it gonna be? Who's the one ad gonna be have a coke and a smile? What's it gonna? Probably be a drug company. Come on The prop bets the prop bets mind to the prop bets are funny. Yeah, we have Whose first answer during the debate will be longer debate winner as per polls first to mispronounce a politician's name and

43:07 Oh, here's a match bet. Democracy versus border. Well, Joe is obviously going to go after democracy. Slogans. MAGA Republicans versus Save America. They hate our country. Black Lives Matter. First wives mentioned. Jill versus Melania. Melania to be mentioned. High favorite there. Nothing about first candidate suggests the other is on drugs. Okay. That'll be good. Nothing about the first I wonder who the who the who the yeah, probably what probably Pfizer. That would make sense.

43:57 Yeah, there's a couple of interesting things there, which is the fact that they would continue to promote the idea that that video of Biden turning around and heading in the wrong direction is fake. Yeah, that's interesting. Is really beyond me. I mean, you can even watch, if you watch the extended version, the whole video where Biden at the end slowly puts his sunglasses on, which is in slow motion, it's like, this is not... Why do you keep saying this is fake when it's clearly not fake? I don't get that. Well, we know that. We know that because that's how it needs to be used. So you can just, if you keep repeating that, you can always say if something that's clearly true, it was fake.

44:40 Well, this is similar to the other mainstream meme, I have to call them a meme, if anything, about the fact that the Russians stole these Hillary Clinton emails. I mean, the whole media is really beside, it's really, it is complicit. And it's corrupt. It's terrible. People keep watching it. That's the crazy thing. Well, they watch it, but yes, they do. Here's a... Because they're bored and they watch television. No, they watch clips online. Nobody watches television. The numbers show it. They watch clips, clips of stuff online. This is CNN, Casey Hunt, and she has Trump's press secretary on it. I didn't even know he had a press secretary.

45:29 Caroline Leavitt? Well, she's one of the campaign secretaries. Yes. She's... Casey Hunt is one of the worst presenters on... And it's Casey C. Hunt, by the way. No, oh please, it is not. It is not. It is. You check it out. Hold on a second. I don't believe that for a second. Does not say that. No, does not say that. She was born... It's Casey S. Hunt. Good try, good try, good try Dvorak. It's, so it takes someone five minutes to google Jake Tapper, Donald Trump to see that Jake Tapper has consistently- Ma'am, we're gonna stop this interview if you're gonna keep attacking my colleagues. President Trump to Adolf Hitler- Ma'am, I'm gonna stop this interview if you continue to attack my colleagues. I would like to talk about Joe Biden and Donald Trump who you work for. Yes. If you are here speak on his behalf and I'm willing to have this conversation.

46:25 I am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in the past. Now, I'm sorry, guys, we're going to come back out to the panel. Caroline, thank you very much for your time. You are welcome to come back at any point. She is welcome to come back and speak about Donald Trump. And Donald Trump will have equal time to Joe Biden when they both join us now at next early later this week in Atlanta for this debate. What a school marm. Ma'am, ma'am, who calls anyone ma'am? Ma'am ma'am if you don't say bad things about my colleagues. I'm gonna cut you off ma'am Please I'm glad I don't have to get these clips myself. That'll be too painful. Here's how I saw that thing a number They kept playing it Fox is using that as like a punching bag of course of course let's let's go and see how France 24 handles the

47:15 The preparations for the historic US presidential debate. The question is... To avoid scenes like this in 2020... Will you shut up, man? Who is on your list? Both Joe Biden and Donald Trump have agreed to a new set of rules for their 2024 TV rematch. We have ended this segment. Each candidate's microphone will be muted for the first debate of the campaign, except when it's his turn to speak. Host CNN said that during the 90-minute face-off, there will also be no live audience. Podium positions and the order of closing statements will be determined by a coin flip and candidates will not be allowed notes or props but will be given a pen and a pad of paper. After lobbying from both candidates, the TV event is taking place months earlier than usual. But it will also be the first debate either candidate has participated in in this campaign season. As Biden ran largely unopposed,

48:10 And Trump skipped the Republican primary debates. So you have two men that have not debated in four years. So you've got two guys, don't like each other, haven't seen each other, pretty rusty, heading into the biggest night of their lives. About six in 10 American adults say they're likely to watch the debate live or in clips, or read about the performance of the candidates in the news or social media. With the background of all this, Reagan, he gave his farewell speech, I think January 11th, actually 1989. So just before the 90s hit. Is that right? Does that sound right? In 89?

48:53 That's right. Yeah. So I was reading his whole speech. I just pulled a little piece just to show you the contrast from when I was on MTV, you know, of course, I wasn't paying any attention to any of this. I wasn't paying attention to school councils or, you know, school board or council meetings. Who are those losers? Of course, you know, because it's me, a culpa, my generation literally let a lot of this stuff happen because we were too busy. Yeah, I was on MTV. Who cares? I'm having a good time. So here was the part of Reagan. And of course, there was a presidential debate that night. Who would have been debating that night? That would have been Bush and Gore.

49:34 So he says, I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind, it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace. A city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. As you know, there's a presidential debate tonight. I'll be praying, but I won't be praying for a political party or a man. I'll be asking God to give his favor to the man who can best lead us in rediscovering who we are as a nation. I'll ask God to give favor to the man who believes most in we the people, and all I ask for is his grace on he who knows, believes most in the city on a hill. Dude, we are far from that.

50:22 Times change. Not for the better. Well, it depends on your sense of humor. Now let's say going back to their notion that they're going to have these pads and ink and a pen and a pad on their desk. Yes, that's all they got. Now if I was coaching and I Again, thinking in terms of sense of humor, I think that Trump, because he's going to have his mic cut off, should write with the pen in big letters, bullshit, and hold it up when Biden's talking.

51:03 I'll give you a dollar if he does that that would be pretty funny It would be great if he did that because it would be like it would get nothing but attention And it would they wouldn't know baby beside themselves. What are you gonna do? Nothing. All right. I want to I want to move on but I'll keep it related as I move to the Supreme Court this is very very interesting what's what's happening in fact, I have a The Supreme Court is about to end their session. So, you know, they're trying to wrap everything up real quick. How do you go on vacation? Basically, yeah, it's called vacation, but they call ending the session. And let me see, where was the SCOTUS clip here?

51:47 Yes, this one I think. Tonight, special counsel Jack Smith firing back against... No, this is not Supreme Court, but it's the documents case. Donald Trump's claims FBI agents tampered with boxes allegedly containing classified material discovered when they searched his Mar-a-Lago estate. In a new court filing, prosecutors with their most detailed description yet of how Trump allegedly personally chose to keep documents containing some of the nation's most highly guarded secrets among a cluttered collection of keepsakes, including newspapers, thank you notes, Christmas ornaments, magazines, clothing, and photographs of himself and others.

52:24 Trump's lawyers claim prosecutors have not preserved the boxes in the exact manner in which they were found, insisting they were manipulated. Prosecutors say that's just not true, saying the haphazard manner in which the boxes were packed and stored by Trump made it inevitable that the contents inside would shift. They blasted Trump's claims as the latest unfounded accusations against law enforcement professionals doing their jobs. The case now delayed indefinitely as Judge Eileen Cannon holds multiple hearings on a wide array of motions. She has yet to rule on many of them, causing unusual months-long delays.

53:02 And David, there is news tonight in an unrelated case. The Manhattan hush money trial. Oh, I'm sorry. That didn't mean for that to be in there. So yesterday, yesterday? Yeah, I think it was yesterday. Yeah. All of a sudden, the, you know, the the the women of Fredericksburg text message starts blowing up. R.I.P. First Amendment. We're done. Supreme Court kills First Amendment. We're done. It's all over. No more free speech. I'm like, what happened? I doubt the Supreme Court struck it out of the amendments. I mean, what happened? Well, this is what happened and I have an analysis. Today, the Supreme Court ruled against limiting how the White House contacts social media companies. It's a win for the Biden administration that argued it should be able to contact companies to address misinformation, especially related to public health and election integrity.

53:55 In a 6-3 decision, the justices threw out the case on standing, meaning those who brought the case didn't have legal standing. Justice Barrett writing the opinion saying we lack jurisdiction to reach the merits of the dispute. Justice Alito dissenting saying this is one of the most important free speech cases to reach this court in years. This all comes as the Supreme Court hands down its final decisions of the term. One of the biggest cases of the year, Donald Trump's immunity claim. So I'll stop there. So this is the Missouri versus Biden case. I think actually changed names later on. This is how the.

54:32 Both Trump but also the Biden administration threatened social media companies to de-platform people, to censor COVID misinformation and disinformation. And I'm really disappointed, especially in Amy Coney Barrett. They kind of punted on this and said, well, you don't have standing in this. which is kind of a cop-out. Yeah, it's a chicken shit thing to do. It is. So the majority... That's what they did. The majority ruled under the Constitution courts lack jurisdiction to hear cases brought by people who lack standing. Now it was even more interesting because when it comes to injunctive relief a person cannot establish standing unless he can show a danger of future harm. This is because an injunction doesn't remedy past harm.

55:20 And so what they're in effect saying is that you can't prove that you, plaintiff, will be harmed in the future by this and the social media companies were already moderating content. So the fact that the government came into that didn't mean that it was something new. So it's a very disappointing ruling, I think, that they, you know, because the government does have a scepter, you know, they do have a section 230, they've got, you know, antitrust, all kinds of things they can do to the social media companies. So it will now go back to the district court.

56:02 Plaintiffs can pursue an injunction. We'll see if anything becomes of that. And by the way, if you think that you have freedom of speech on social media, please, please, There's no way. You should never expect that there. They also ruled on the Sacklers, which was interesting. Now, the Sackler is, of course, the family who owns Purdue Pharma. And the Supreme Court has now said, you know what? The Sackler family cannot escape liability through Purdue Pharma's oxy-fueled bankruptcy.

56:41 So they are back on the hook. That could be fun. That could be fun to watch. Well, not for the Sacklers. Well, no, I'm not related. And finally, Chevron deference. We were hoping for a decision today. Daily Friday. Yes, we may get it Friday, we don't know. But there are high hopes that Chevron deference decision will be in favor of taking away the power from the agencies. So I got into a long conversation. I was gonna say this would be perfect to have that decision tomorrow when everyone's doing, you know, memes and post debate analysis. That's probably the time to do it.

57:24 I got into, there's this one pressure group that has been pressuring you. Pressuring you? Well, I get, you know, there's just press releases and I called them up and I said, I did this on background. I told them, well, okay, I won't tell you. On background? What are you, a deep state? Yeah, and so that's me. And so but no, I just wanted to hear the pitch. And so what is the pitch about not killing Chevron deference? And so that this girl calls me up and she gives me the pitches and it goes on forever and it's totally a script. And I shot back at her after she was done talking, which took about 20 minutes. This is recent this past week yesterday. Oh, OK. And so

56:41 So they are back on the hook. That could be fun. That could be fun to watch. Well, not for the Sacklers. Well, no, I'm not related. And finally, Chevron deference. We were hoping for a decision today. Daily Friday. Yes, we may get it Friday, we don't know. But there are high hopes that Chevron deference decision will be in favor of taking away the power from the agencies. So I got into a long conversation. I was gonna say this would be perfect to have that decision tomorrow when everyone's doing, you know, memes and post debate analysis. That's probably the time to do it.

57:24 I got into, there's this one pressure group that has been pressuring you. Pressuring you? Well, I get, you know, there's just press releases and I called them up and I said, I did this on background. I told them, well, okay, I won't tell you. On background? What are you, a deep state? Yeah, and so that's me. And so but no, I just wanted to hear the pitch. And so what is the pitch about not killing Chevron deference? And so that this girl calls me up and she gives me the pitches and it goes on forever and it's totally a script. And I shot back at her after she was done talking, which took about 20 minutes. This is recent this past week yesterday. Oh, OK. And so

58:14 I said, well, you know, I worked for one of these agencies pre-Chevron deference and everything you say is not true. This and that. And she, and I just had a list of stuff I was writing down. She said, this is what's going to happen. And I said, it didn't happen before. Why would it happen now? And I went on and I really got mad at her. And did you record your side? I didn't record any of it. It's on background. I'm just telling you the story. Okay. And so, but the, but she would not relent. And I told her that all she is, I said, take a look at this. What's been going on since Chevron deference has been a consolidation, this is supposed to be a big anti-corporation operation that's pushing this. I said, what's been going on since Chevron deference? The corporations have been getting bigger and bigger and they've been consolidating and the media and elsewhere has just, it's gone in the exact opposite direction that you expect it to go in, but this is what you're still pushing to show it happens even more?

59:11 And then she pushes a Jayapal bill that's going out that's supposed to be... Did she call you a racist at any point? No. But she says Jayapal's got this assembly bill that which is going to put Chevron deference into law. What? And I said, all this is doing is playing into the hands of the big corporations. You're just a stooge and you're reading a script that may as well have been written by the big corporations. Who are you kidding? And she was very not happy with me, but at the same time we didn't, she didn't cuss me out or anything. But this is what's going on. Is this how you talk to girls? Is this what you're doing now? This is not the way to go, JCD. I wasn't looking for a date. Anyway, so...

59:54 But this pressure groups are out there and you can talk to them and see what they have to say and you find out this is terrible what they're up to. They don't know what they're doing. And I said, did you ever work for an enforcement agency or an administrative state agency? Well, I was an intern at the FAA. I was an intern at the FCC. I said, well, you should notice anything you'll integrate. I said, I said, all these agencies have been captured and she actually admitted that she saw capture going on. There's capture going on here. There's capture everywhere. Yeah. Well, I'll let him... So this Chevron deference thing will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I mean, I'll let him slide on the Missouri versus Biden.

1:00:44 If they do shiver on deference, by the way, a lot of people are very skeptical, oh, then just the courts will do it and the courts, you know, and then the courts suck too and everything sucks. No, this is what I got into the argument about with her because she said the same thing, oh, the courts are going to be... That's bullcrap. When I was working and it's almost a decade with the air pollution district, we had to go to court quite more than once. I went to the court and gave testimony and got pretty good at it. about certain things, when somebody really got bent out of shape about the way it was being enforced, they take it to a judge. And okay, well, we can deal with that. We'd always win. I didn't ever saw it was a problem. And it didn't happen that often. It wasn't like daily.

1:01:25 So, I mean, this whole thing is bullcrap. The Chevron difference has got to go. Have you seen some of these candidates for judges that have been going through Senate confirmation hearings? It's amazing. That's why you've got to get Trump back in there because these people they're putting in are terrible. They really are. Like, yeah, you know, the guy sodomized a four-year-old. Eh, gave him a couple years. You know, poor guy. Clearly he was a poor guy. Poor guy. What? Yeah. How far have we fallen? I want to go back to some cheap fakes. I got some AI stuff which deserves discussion. I want to make a bit of a turn in our conversation to something that we've been wanting to talk about on the show for a little bit and just to be totally transparent trying to figure out how to do it. And when I say it, it is a lot of memes and what the White House is calling cheap fakes. No, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. That's not true according to Jareen.

1:02:23 The media made that up, not the White House. Get your story straight, Dana. And what the White House is calling cheap fakes, which means that these are there are videos that are being put out on social media and then amplified on conservative media that in some cases are just not right and in other cases are highly, highly misleading. It's not right of President Biden. And I don't want to go, I don't want to let a moment go by where I can read a tweet from Barbara Streisand on the show. So I'm going to do it. She said, Why would everyone all get all get jitty over reading a tweet from Barbara Streisand? Oh, I would never pass that opportunity up. Go by where I can

1:03:12 read a tweet from Barbara Streisand on the show, so I'm going to do it. She said, we must stay vigilant to the ongoing and pervasive spread of misinformation, maybe now more than usual in the lead up to the presidential election. And her argument was, don't amplify it. It is interesting given the fact that there was a famous case where somebody took a picture of her house in Malibu and she sued to not have that shown and then it turned out that people started looking at the picture more than before. So it's the question that I started this conversation with is how much to talk about it versus how much to just kind of ignore it and we're trying to kind of do both here. So I thought this was interesting because here we have the media, of course, playing ball for the Democrats and for Biden saying, you know, what I'm hearing is

1:04:06 You know, Jareen, you should kind of calm down a little bit with the cheap fakes because, you know, obviously we all know that that was real and now you're creating a Streisand effect where people are now going and seeking it out and looking for it and copying it and retweeting and it's hurting our man. You have a 78 year old and an 82 year old, 81 year old and the and make it look worse than it is. And listen, the Trump campaign is going to do this and voters are going to see it. They're going to imbibe this and not necessarily know that it's fake. It's a real problem. Because you're stupid. You see the Biden team trying to counteract this. But I think the problem is, to the Streisand example, in fact checking it, do you amplify it, right? This thing is fake. Well, what is this thing that you're talking about? And then you go see it.

1:05:06 So it's a real problem, but I think at the core there is this problem with both of these candidates in terms of age and perceptions. Yeah, okay, fine. So now they're seeing the problem. Before you go on. Didn't Streisand, she's talking about misinformation, Streisand is, right? Yes. Didn't she say she was going to leave the country in 2016 if Trump got elected? That was AI, man. She never said that. That was a cheap fake. She did say it then. She didn't leave the country. So is that misinformation too? She's full of it. I wonder if we do we have Streisand saying she's gonna leave?

1:05:43 It'd be hard to find, it'd be hard to categorize. It would be Streisand leaving. Everybody was leaving. Even Miley Cyrus was leaving. They were all leaving, nobody left. Yeah, exactly. So there's some interesting developments and also we've got a lot of boots on the ground regarding AI. How is NVIDIA still holding up the whole stock market? I didn't get a chance to listen to DHM Plug. Still the biggest company in the world with $3 trillion market cap. No, no, that was only a momentary blip. Oh no, they slid, they slipped. They're number two now. Number two. They're right there, they're right there. If the stock goes up another 10 points, they'll be on top again. On the cusp.

1:06:27 NBC went to talk to a tech titan Sam Altman who is amazing. This guy can talk for hours and say absolutely nothing. It's it is and I think it's a skill. Well it is it's a Silicon Valley skill. Out of the gathering here in Colorado the Aspen Ideas Festival. Oh where's my invites to the Aspen Ideas Festival? Today I sat down with two of the biggest names in the world is a Foo Fighters play technology and business Sam Altman CEO of open AI and his ally and friend Brian Chesky CEO of Airbnb to talk about the promise and the risks of artificial intelligence open AI has stunned people with its capabilities like video creation from simple text prompts who where did this guy come from you've ever heard this guy in NBC Oh what a voice

1:07:20 It's Lester Dolt. It seems for his company go much further comparing it to the Manhattan Project development of the atomic bomb Was that helpful for you as you try to make your case? I mean we We try to give a number of historical analogies because we think it is important. So we can say there were some things about the Manhattan Project that are like what we're doing now, there's some things about the Apollo program, there's some things about the... Oh, okay. Just for context... Talk about grandiose. Well, this is the whole pitch. This is the whole idea. You can only trust us, you can't trust anyone else. It's so big, so vast.

1:08:19 By the way, it needs government involvement, as did the Manhattan Project. Could you just give us a quick background on the Manhattan Project? The Manhattan Project, which basically created an entire city in the middle of nowhere down in the desert. This is the Oppenheimer movie. Yeah, the Oppenheimer movie describes it pretty well. Yeah, just go watch that. And in no way was the Manhattan Project worth three trillion dollars. It's important. So we can say there were some things about the Manhattan Project that are like what we're doing now. There's some things about the Apollo program. There are some things about the iPhone. But what I think is important is to say, the iPhone, the parts where we can look to a historical analogy and here are the parts where we can't. OK, here it comes. Stand by. And the shape of this technology and kind of the decisions and the impact, it is fundamentally like a little bit different.

1:09:26 than anything I think we've ever heard before. I think it's different than the Manhattan Project. It's not a race. It's not going to be done in secret. I think nations can collaborate together and there could be a transnational kind of group or body that could really kind of align to make sure we're all on the same page. We think that's super important to get some sort of global... Wait, wait, stop. Was that the Airbnb guy yacking away there? Yes, yes. What the hell has he got to do with anything? He's a tech titan and he's at the festival. Hello? Hey, I got a gig today with Sam at the Tech Titan Festival. Oh my god. Together and there could be a transnational kind of group or body that could really kind of align to make sure we're all on the same page. We think that's super important to get... Super important. ...a global framework and cooperation. By the way, stop, stop, stop again. I hate to do this. I'm almost done, but I'll stop. But this is a classic Silicon Valley phrase.

1:10:23 super important. It's not just important. It's not important. Super important because that's a that's a high end Silicon Valley phrase. Believe me. No, I know I've I've been around it. You heard it. You know, it was also super important. Juiced. Remember that? Juiced. Yeah. J-O-O-S-E. Juiced. Yeah. Juiced. Those guys. Yeah. You know, it's created by the guys who created Skype. Super important. Super important. This This is all... We changed Podshow to MeVeo to Video because of Juiced and because Kleiner Perkins forced us to do it. That's the truth. Is that right? Yes! What was that woman's name? So you had Podshow, which was the original operation. I think that's when I went to work for you. Yeah, it was still Podshow. You were my man. I hired you. You were my hire.

1:11:17 Well, I sold you on me. Yeah, you buffaloed me. I did. I took you to lunch at Fringal. And I paid for it. This is the worst part. And you paid for lunch and I sold you on it. By the way, people always talk about, you know, all these get jobs, do this and that. No, the way you do it is with interpersonal sales. And, uh, I had to learn about podcasting because of what was going on at the time, 2006, 2007. And so I had to get it. I had to figure it out. But the way you learn is by doing as opposed to just, you know, screwing around.

1:11:53 So I sold you on hiring me and it was pretty, it wasn't that hard to do. You were a soft touch. Well, to be fair, you were a couple of glasses of wine helps. Yeah. You are the pod show DEI hire. So yeah. It all worked out in the end. Nations can collaborate together and there could be a transnational kind of group or body that could really kind of align to make sure we're all on the same page. We think that's super important to get some sort of global framework and cooperation. I think we're really going to need that. Bullshit! We need to write the Silicon Valley bullcrap dictionary. It's unbelievable. All these terms. I've forgotten most of them. I think writing a book like that would be super important.

1:12:40 It would be Manhattan level, Manhattan project level. Definitely. So regarding AI, there is an interesting development and first some boots on the ground because we talked about the power requirements. This is, of course, this is what NVIDIA is actually doing is creating these chips that just suck the power and everything needs. If only we had a hundred billion dollars, then AI would work. If only we had a trillion dollars, it would work. If we only had seven trillion dollars, it would work. First, Scott says, hey, I was... We see a trend here. Yes. I was listening to episode 1671 and wanted to offer an educated guess as to why the data center legislation was a big deal in Virginia. He says he believes it has to do with Amazon's HQ2 data center that's being built there. And that's essentially across the street from the Pentagon.

1:11:53 So I sold you on hiring me and it was pretty, it wasn't that hard to do. You were a soft touch. Well, to be fair, you were a couple of glasses of wine helps. Yeah. You are the pod show DEI hire. So yeah. It all worked out in the end. Nations can collaborate together and there could be a transnational kind of group or body that could really kind of align to make sure we're all on the same page. We think that's super important to get some sort of global framework and cooperation. I think we're really going to need that. Bullshit! We need to write the Silicon Valley bullcrap dictionary. It's unbelievable. All these terms. I've forgotten most of them. I think writing a book like that would be super important.

1:12:40 It would be Manhattan level, Manhattan project level. Definitely. So regarding AI, there is an interesting development and first some boots on the ground because we talked about the power requirements. This is, of course, this is what NVIDIA is actually doing is creating these chips that just suck the power and everything needs. If only we had a hundred billion dollars, then AI would work. If only we had a trillion dollars, it would work. If we only had seven trillion dollars, it would work. First, Scott says, hey, I was... We see a trend here. Yes. I was listening to episode 1671 and wanted to offer an educated guess as to why the data center legislation was a big deal in Virginia. He says he believes it has to do with Amazon's HQ2 data center that's being built there. And that's essentially across the street from the Pentagon.

1:13:34 So that would make sense because if you read the boots on the ground from our DC knight of the high desert, he says, I lived in Prinville, Oregon, right next to the Facebook and Apple data centers that they've been building for over a decade. The city of Prinville, Prineville, Prinville, residences saw a 200% increase in their Pacific power utility bill once the data center was up and running. How about that? No one talks about that. We've had a bunch of utility bill hikes here in California too. I wonder what's going on. And then we have Anonymous.

1:14:13 An immediate family member is an executive at a large diversified electric and gas utility. I love our producers. Just call your family, you'll get answers for us. Data center power demands has providers in a panic. The enormous power usage cannot be overstated. Even nuclear power generation has difficulty keeping up. I believe Amazon uses about a third of the power generated by the Sasquahan and nuclear plant in Pennsylvania. It's exponential and not scalable. Of course, none of this stuff is scalable. But here's the cool thing. Ars Technica, I think Ars Technica is pretty good. Do we know the guys at Ars Technica? I don't think they listen to the show or anything, but Ars Technica, screw you information. You dropped out. Ars Technica what?

1:15:05 I said Ars Technica is a good source of screwy information that seems to be accurate. So they have this article that came out, researchers upend AI status quo by eliminating matrix multiplication in LLMs. And I wasn't quite clear what that meant, but here's some excerpts. Research claim, researchers claim to have developed a new way to run AI language models more efficiently by eliminating matrix multiplication from the process. This fundamentally redesigns neural network operations that are currently accelerated by GPU chips. And if you read down further, it says this ability

1:15:51 So the, you know, actually here, matrix multiplication, often abbreviated to MatMul, is at the center of most neural network computational tasks. GPUs are particularly good at executing the math quickly because they can perform large numbers of multiplication operations in parallel. That ability momentarily made NVIDIA the most valuable company in the world last week. The company currently holds an estimated 90% market share for the data center GPUs. Now in this new paper titled Scalable MatMul-Free Language Modeling, the researchers described creating a custom 2.7 billion parameter model without using MatMul that features a similar performance to conventional large language models.

1:16:31 and they demonstrate running a 1.3 billion parameter model at 23.8 tokens per second on a GPU that was accelerated by an FPGA chip that uses only 13 watts of power. This could blow up NVIDIA. Well... I don't know what to make of that. Yeah, if it's true, I mean, it seems to me that everything could be blown up if you just have some guys out there that know what they're doing and they can change the math. Well, they essentially do it without math. They're like, yeah, we don't need your math. Without that type of math, which I guess is necessary to create whatever they're doing. I'm not, I'm unfamiliar with it, but

1:17:16 It's obviously at the core of the whole thing and so somebody just did a workaround and said hey you don't need this bullcrap you can run it on a b-link. There's your callback. Until your hard disk goes out. There's your callback. Until your hard disk crashes. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I love seeing that stuff. I just want to see it fall apart. Yeah, I know you do, but it's gonna fall apart whether you... Is that wrong of me to want to see it that way or not? Is it wrong of me to want to see that fall apart? Is that bad? It is. I think you're a hater. That's what it is. I am. Well... It's exhibiting your hatred of anything that you're not involved in. No, that's... I think it's a personality disorder. That has nothing to do with it. I thought AI was dumb from the beginning. My record stands.

1:18:09 Yeah, you're definitely consistent. Also new this morning, major record labels are taking a stand against AI in the industry. The Recording Industry Association of America has filed a lawsuit against AI music companies Suno and Udio, alleging copyright infringement. The trade group represents some titans in the industry, Sony, Universal and Warner Records. The suit claims the companies illegally copied recordings to train their systems to produce copyrighted music. This comes after more than 200 artists signed a letter in April calling on AI companies to stop using technology that takes away their rights. Udio and Suno have not yet responded to the lawsuit. Ah, this is good. That Suno stuff is actually not bad. I've heard some songs that came off that. It's like, all right. But the lawsuit... Once in a while it hits it. But it's kind of like the hit and miss of a regular singer or songwriter. Exactly. Exactly.

1:19:02 It has to do with promotion, it has to do with all kinds of things. Even the weather can determine a hit. If people could create hits, they would be doing it already. And then, which you, I was, it used to be this funny show on, it was on PBS or someplace. It was a, it was a sit down with these various producers and directors. And when Peter Guber had owned Sony, I would not say, but he was running Sony's movies division. It was a kind of scandalous era. Guber the lawyer? No, Peter Guber, the producer. Oh. And he said that after the first year, they did a bunch of these movies and he says, and the Japanese had took him to the board meeting, okay, how'd you accomplish anything? He says, well, we had this movie, it was a fail, and this was a fail, this movie did well, and this movie did well, and these other five movies failed. And they said, well, I don't understand what you're doing because why don't you just do more of these?

1:20:02 We should do hits. I remember that used to be at Think New Ideas, the company that I had before Mevio, before the dot-com crash. And we'd have clients come to us and say, okay, here's what we want. We want a viral video. I remember this era, by the way. Yeah. Can you make that go viral? No, no, that's not really how it works. We want a viral video. This is what everyone's doing it. No, you got to have something funny to be a viral video. It's got to catch on. There's no way.

1:20:38 That what's going on with Trump right now in these anti-Biden videos, which are being done by hordes of pretty much, from what I can tell, volunteers doing these things on their own and pumping them into the Twitter and whatever. Everywhere. Pumping them into everything. And a lot of them are catching on, a lot of them aren't. But this is the only way you can do it. And it's not something you can control. So nobody's doing on the Biden side. No, they can't. There's something funny. They have no humor. That's right. They have no humor. It's really odd because Americans have humor in general. We're funny. And the left and right used to be funny on both sides. What happened? When did that change? It's like a brain. You know, it was a slow. I think it's been a slow thing. It's been slow brain quirk.

1:21:30 So here's your analogy a lot of people sent in a lot of thoughtful responses to what caused the video game crash in the 80s and You saw them you saw a lot of these yeah, the one thing that's very consistent is the failure of the ET game everybody has that as a part of it and didn't they just didn't they go and didn't they Didn't they destroy them in the desert or something or threw them into a landfill in New Mexico and crush them? There's been more than one example of this. Finding a dump and then taking thousands and thousands of cartridges and putting them in there. I think it was a new story even. Yeah, but that wasn't the only game that was put in the landfill. But yes, the ET game, and I think the problem was it was overhyped.

1:22:26 It was no good and people lost confidence in the whole system. If you're taking your trick people into thinking something's good, Through marketing and through hype and through whatever and then they're no good. I think this is happening to Biden, by the way. Well, wouldn't it be cool to get really irked about it? Wouldn't it be cool if we had to throw all those Nvidia GPUs into a big landfill and crush them with a bulldozer? I think hobbyists would grab them up. Oh, yeah, of course. Lots of fun to play with.

1:23:03 And then the final, I think this is quite troublesome, particularly for podcasters, for presidential candidates, for anybody. This is an AI development which is a very big problem. On the Medical Watch, detecting Alzheimer's by listening to the way someone speaks. A new AI tool has the power. Boston University researchers used a machine learning model to analyze speech patterns. With a high degree of accuracy, they were able to predict whether someone with mild cognitive impairment would develop Alzheimer's dementia within six years. Typically, assessments to diagnose Alzheimer's do not come back in time to make meaningful decisions about interventions to slow the progression of the mind-robbing disease.

1:23:43 The AI program was nearly 80% accurate in determining whether someone would remain stable or fall into dementia associated with Alzheimer's. We need to do some of this work. This is, here's an exit, you know. You know, I think, hold on a second, you know, I think that this entire story is a plant to hurt Biden. Well, hurt anybody, anybody you want. No, I think this is a Biden, this is another one of these weird targeted anti-Biden things that's going on right now just because of association. You start talking about, oh, AI can spot Alzheimer's and there's never a mention of Biden, of course, but it's the first thing you think of. That's the weird thing. I think this is bullcrap. That's the weird thing, the associations. Oh, Biden? Yeah.

1:24:31 Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of when the story started playing. But if you have that kind of voice recognition or the illusion of that kind of recognition, it can be all kinds of cool stuff. You know, will you turn into an axe murderer? Well, you could use it as a lie detector. Yeah, will you become a... Which supposedly computers have done years ago. There's, oh yeah, we got this situation here and... You can talk into the computer and we can tell if you're lying. No, you can take your teenage girls and you say, okay, talk in here. Oh, you're a boy. There it is. It's simple. I'm telling you. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in Captain Chaos. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John Cena. Good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. I'm going to check on you. Something's in the water and Dave's nice out there. Wow. Good Biden invitation. Hello, Joe.

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1:28:47 And coming in top dog, once again- Wait, wait, wait, what about the art? Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that two weeks ago too, didn't I? Yeah, and last time you condemned me for not catching it, this time I caught it. Good job. We want to thank the immense talent from our artists, all of them. Bar none, all of them Dutch masters. It's amazing that we have these Dutch masters creating this for us. And the artwork from episode 1671, you can find all these at noagendaartgenerator.com. We titled that It's the Boyfriend, and the art came from Sir Shug, aka Foe Diddley. Classic, classic No Agenda product shot, pack shot, the new gigabyte crunch.

1:29:36 with this, it was a Nestle's Crunch Bar with even had no agenda in it. That was the best part, I think. Yeah, the no agenda logo done in a Nestle's. It was a nice touch. Rip off is beautiful. Was a nice touch. Let me see what else we had. We had babies vaping. I kind of like that. You didn't like it. You thought it was something wrong with it. We kind of like Matthew Dropko's, although it was very A.I.E. You know, the dude trying to keep us on the air and everything blowing up. He had two of those actually. Yeah, one with three arms, which was actually better because it was classic AI. And we had a couple of seasons. And the girl walking down the street with all the boiling with the eggs frying on the street. Yeah, was a bit much. Even you thought that was a bit much.

1:30:28 Yeah, you know, probably. Was there anything else? Extreme heat? I liked the candy bar quite a bit. Yeah, the candy bar was good. That's classic. No agenda, product shots, always a winner. A lot of heat warning things. And of course, again, it's a A Dutch master, Sir Shug, we thank you very much. Noagendaartgenerator.com. You can see all of the artwork there. You can contribute. You can upload your own art and be in the race. Of course, these artists are listening live, so they do it on the fly, which is amazing to me how they do it, except for the AI jockeys, the prompt jockeys. I get it. Well, that's everybody now. Yeah, pretty much. I can tell you everything that's been uploaded so far is not going to get chosen. It's all AI.

1:31:12 It's all AI, but I have to admit, I think the piece with the drooling, bug-eyed... Biden, where is it called? Juiced and ready is at least humor humorous by Rick Harris. I do like the flags on his lapel to. Yeah, you're right. All right. All right. All right. These also show up in our chapters. Dreb Scott always puts that together in your modern podcast app so you can see all of them rotating as we go through different topics on the show. Now, back to our executive producers and our associate executive producer. He comes in usually once a month, sometimes it's six weeks, and here he is once again, synonymous of dog patch and lower slobovia, a number that is always a code of some sort. Baffling. Baffling to us. 3612.

1:32:04 I'm going to presume this came in from, came in cash, it came in with at least one $2 bill, and it came in from some mailbox somewhere in the country, as usual? It came in with six $2 bills. Oh, oh yes, five, for 12, okay. And, and his typewritten note, from Sir Anonymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia, I hope all had a blessed Eid al-Adha. Eid al-Adha, I think is how you pronounce it. Eid al-Adha. Thank you. Yeah, we were wondering if he was gonna come in because every year he always gives us an Eid donation. I wonder if he was at the Hajj thing.

1:32:47 I'm sure he's been to the Hajj, but I'm not sure if he necessarily... He has a note he wants to share with everyone. Thank you to all old and new producers for making this a valuable source of information, perspective and insight. The hard work and ball sweat from the... Wow, seronimous! This is a twist. The hard work and ball sweat from the two hosts plus the work of other producers offers wonderful value. As I travel, he's always on the road. As I travel, I'm noting some... Yes, we wonder what he does. I believe he's a salesman.

1:33:24 As I travel, I am noting some empty international airline seats and easier hotel bookings. I don't always go to the best countries, but availability is getting easier. As well, carrying USD in my overseas travel as emergency backup, I have found it impossible to get new $100 bills, as older ones are commonly discounted in less reputable countries. Well, that's interesting. Political fundraising has already made $2 bills scarce, and now large new bills, except for $10 bills, are difficult to get. Digital dollars seem easier to print. You got that right, brother. Finally, to cross the bridge from the tolls scurry from the war in Sudan,

1:34:13 from the war in Sudan is expected to cause almost as many deaths from famine by September as the population of the West Bank. He's making a point here. The BRICS are growing because they give a damn about their own people. The UN operates like a military planner fighting the last war explaining why the UK and France are permanent members. No jingles, no karma. Some he's dropping some wisdom here. Yeah, he's got something. It's something to eat now. It's up his craw there Yeah, especially the UK and France and the UN he's a little mad about that well Well, it's the war machine this show hates it too. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably why he donates Thank you very much, sir. Honorable of dog patch and lower slow bovia always making it a happy happy month at the end of the month and happy Yes, it does. It makes a big difference does it does? Thank you, sir

1:35:05 Onward with, let me have a note open, with anonymous from Kornsbong, Kornsbong, which is typical, sounds like an Australian city and it is, I guess, in New South Wales. He came with 890, 870. Which I think was 1,000 Australian. Probably, probably. But he says, ITM value for value, T type three at US $1 slash hour. In other words, he's a dollar an hour is what his donation is. That's what it is. He's listening for 898 hours and 70.70. Thank you for your courage. No jingles, no karma. Also, I don't want a dollary dude discount knighthood. Thank you. All right. None given. Thank you, Anonymous. Paul Vanderl. Vandery. Is it an I? It looks like an L.

1:36:00 I think it's an L. Oh yeah, Van Der Rohe. Paul Van Der Rohe, Mount Riverview, also from Down Under. How about that random number theory? Not so random though, 666.66, he says, here's my donation, the devil's in the detail. With this donation I remove my long time douchebag status and acknowledge my past hypocrisy. I'll deduce. You've been deduced. I am an atheist, perhaps agnostic since I don't see the proof in a god and doubt religion. Yet, until the last year I never questioned the climate change religion and its prophets of doom. And thanks to no agenda, I have seen the errors of my ways.

1:36:41 If you don't know the data fed into the models, how the models work and what comes out of the models told to you from on high, you just can't be proven than it is but just belief for belief's sake. Amen. Thanks for hitting me in the mouth with a bit more common sense. Regards, Paul Vanderl from the testing grounds Dunn Under in Australia. Yes, you are the testing grounds. Thank you, Paul. Testing grounds. Oh, that's, yeah, we talked about that last show. That may have contributed, you got two people that contribute. It worked. Let's keep doing it. Benitis in San Francisco, 369. I totally spaced on envelope for JCD at Club Mallard, so this makes it 469. I'm edging oh so close to the Duke club. I have to make a new account on Masto pretty soon to be Duke of San Francisco.

1:37:37 You know what kind of masto? I don't know what that is. Mastodon, yeah. Here's the clip link that made me donate. This should be in the intro to No Agenda or an example of bad interview. You know, Charlie Rose would have handled this lady better. And then he's got a clip which I didn't play. Yeah, I did. It was John Stewart talking to the Pentagon lady about the audit of the Pentagon. Oh, okay. In honor of GPT-4 and Apple Intelligence, the 4.0 meetup link is below. I just sold some shares moments ago from my Apple Store Genius Bar days. Nice. And I plan to... That's interesting. And I plan on bringing JCD cash in hand for the Duke upgrade. Whoo! Tell him to bring his sword. You better. I don't do that.

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1:42:01 Have we ever seen this website? What? Noagendatags.com? Yeah, I've never heard of this. I like it. No agenda... Well, let's check it out. Okay, she does 3D printing, embroidery, and equine supplies. Easy Tags and Easy Equine Essentials are her small biz from Sir Michael of the Midwest. And we've put her on the list. Alright, Noagendatags.com. So is it... is that... NoahJenAtTags.com, let me take a look. What is it? Is it tag? It's tags. We're under construction. Oh. Well that doesn't help. No. Oh, all right. Well. I wonder what equine supplies she does. She's got a hold of a brunetti. There you go. Linda Lepadkin's up. Hey, in Lakewood, Colorado. That's where she's from. $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge, she writes. Go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's imagemakersinc.com or just find Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes on the producers list. She's there.

1:43:02 Jobs jobs jobs and jobs. Let's go for job Karma Then we got our final associate executive producer ship for Nellie Grossenbacher from Mesa, Arizona. I'll read her note and then you can explain the much longer note which you were quite interested in. She says, thank you for the work that you both do. I've been listening to NOAA Agenda since January of 2019 right after I was thrown into the disaster written out below. Short story, here is your portion of our winnings against Rockland County, New York County executor 14 families fought for five years to prove that our healthy unvaccinated children were treated unjustly when they were excluded from schooling during the great New York measles epidemic of 2018-2019, which we of course followed quite closely on the show because boy what a bunch of crock that was.

1:42:01 Have we ever seen this website? What? Noagendatags.com? Yeah, I've never heard of this. I like it. No agenda... Well, let's check it out. Okay, she does 3D printing, embroidery, and equine supplies. Easy Tags and Easy Equine Essentials are her small biz from Sir Michael of the Midwest. And we've put her on the list. Alright, Noagendatags.com. So is it... is that... NoahJenAtTags.com, let me take a look. What is it? Is it tag? It's tags. We're under construction. Oh. Well that doesn't help. No. Oh, all right. Well. I wonder what equine supplies she does. She's got a hold of a brunetti. There you go. Linda Lepadkin's up. Hey, in Lakewood, Colorado. That's where she's from. $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge, she writes. Go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's imagemakersinc.com or just find Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes on the producers list. She's there.

1:43:02 Jobs jobs jobs and jobs. Let's go for job Karma Then we got our final associate executive producer ship for Nellie Grossenbacher from Mesa, Arizona. I'll read her note and then you can explain the much longer note which you were quite interested in. She says, thank you for the work that you both do. I've been listening to NOAA Agenda since January of 2019 right after I was thrown into the disaster written out below. Short story, here is your portion of our winnings against Rockland County, New York County executor 14 families fought for five years to prove that our healthy unvaccinated children were treated unjustly when they were excluded from schooling during the great New York measles epidemic of 2018-2019, which we of course followed quite closely on the show because boy what a bunch of crock that was.

1:43:56 And you got the full writing from her, John. She wrote a long essay, which I'm thinking of running in my Substack column, it's so good, about how her kids, she didn't want to get the MMR vaccine and that would be probably a wise decision in some situations, she believed that her didn't need it and measles is not that big of a deal. And generally speaking, it's true. not you know people were dropping dead from it and they kicked her out kicked her and her family out of the school yeah you can't come in and it's it's just it's a long story but it's very interesting and you're thinking of republishing it

1:44:40 Yeah, I've got that one and there's another educational one from some one of a teacher out there Yes, I'm thinking of republishing it and some other ones. I think I'm gonna do that It's nice to see all these people getting some respite Is that the right term respite their do getting their do like the pilots want the pilots to get their do we want? All these people to get their do takes time. I But justice ultimately takes time and who has the time? That's the problem. Well, we're busy podcasting. The whole system is set up that way. So yeah, okay, well maybe you'll beat us, but you're going to have to, it's going to cost you time and money. Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers for episode 1672. We appreciate you. We appreciate every single producer who supports us with time, talent and treasure. You can go to noagendadonations.com. You can support us for any amount, any amount that is,

1:45:33 equals the value that you received and the value is only something that you can determine. No one can look in your pocketbook and we appreciate all of it. Every single one of it. We'll be reading more up until $50 in our second segment. Once again, thank you for producing episode 1672. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Words. Orders. Shut up. Sleep. Yeah, shut up slave. I'm gonna get some Gaza stuff out of the way. Okay. So now I'm gonna play this, play these, this Lloyd Austin Gaza report. Oh, and the good NTD bit. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is meeting his Israeli counterpart in Washington today that says controversy is taking hold in Israel as the military has to start drafting ultra-orthodox men. NTD's international correspondent Ariane Postar has the Israel update.

1:46:39 Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is meeting his Israeli counterpart in DC. Now finally, this is NTD man, that lead-in is no good. They gotta have this guy on all the time. He's great. He's perfect. Secretary Lloyd Austin is meeting his Israeli counterpart in DC. Now, the meeting comes as Israel plans to move troops from Gaza to the Lebanese border to tackle Hezbollah. But this plan, of course, is increasing concerns about a wider conflict in the region. I am extremely concerned about the rise in rocket attacks on Israel's north from Lebanese Hezbollah. in the recent surge in tensions. Austin says that a war between Israel and Hezbollah could easily become a regional conflict. Israel's national security adviser says they will spend weeks using diplomatic means to try to find a middle ground with the Iran-backed terrorist group. But if that doesn't work, they will use different methods to attempt to bring calm to the Israel-Lebanon border. The U.S. is urging Israel to use diplomacy, although provocations are ramping up.

1:47:42 Hezbollah's provocations threaten to drag the Israeli and Lebanese people into a war that they do not want. Meanwhile in Israel, the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that the military must begin drafting ultra-Orthodox men. Israelis are divided. We're at a time of war, and at a time of war everyone has to take their part. It's not a good decision, but why is it not a good decision? Because the army does not respect Haredi people. They don't respect it. The historic ruling puts an end to a decades-old system that granted ultra-Orthodox men exemptions from military service. Yeah, this is pretty controversial.

1:48:25 Oh yeah, it's a big deal. Can this bring Bibi down? I don't think so. I think the Israeli population as a whole, first of all, they don't like these people. When I was in Israel, I got a tour. Oh, this is from your APAC babysitter? You know, the one who still sends us chips? No, this was a guy who was publishing PC magazine Israel at the time. Oh! And he took me all over the country. I went everywhere. North, south, in between. And he took me to one of the quote-unquote villages where these Hasidics live.

1:49:02 And you could just tell that the Israelis as a whole, they don't like them. They don't like these people and they think they're pigs. Literally is what he said. And he said, look at the garbage. And the place was kind of garbage. Garbage. It was a mess. And they really don't like these people. So I don't think this is going to be, if anything, I think it may have been done to keep keep BB in office. Just the opposite. Oh, interesting. OK. Hmm. Anyway, part two of this clip. The head of the UN's Palestinian Refugee Agency says it's getting more complicated to move trucks with aid from Israel into Gaza. We are confronted nowadays to a near total breakdown of law and order. The US State Department explained the problem on Tuesday. Random looting and criminal gangs and criminal actors who have been attacking trucks.

1:49:55 He added that the US is now working on a solution. One option is to give UN staff personal protective equipment so they can defend themselves against violent gangs which are building up. Oh, PPE? They're gonna get masks? I don't know. He said personal protective equipment, PPE, that's masks, face shields, one of those Lloyd Austin face shields. I have a CBS version of the ultra-orthodox report. Following some breaking developments out of Israel this morning that could threaten Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's grip on power there. Oh, see? They think it could threaten his grip. Israel's Supreme Court has ruled that... Stop for a second. You know, American mainstream media hates him for some reason.

1:50:38 And every report that they give is that he is this is always negative. But if you get reports outside of the country, it's you don't hear any of this. I'm not buying this this idea that he's he's. Well, they're running cover for Biden. They're running cover. We send we send weapons. They run cover. Bibi pretends we didn't or he didn't send it. You know, it's running cover. It's all cover. It's all cover. It's CBS. Come on, it's CBS. Come on. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's grip on power there. Israel's Supreme Court has ruled that ultra-Orthodox religious men must be drafted into the military there like just about everyone else. Most Jewish Israeli men and women are required at age 18 to serve in the armed forces starting at 18 for two to three years, two for women, three for men. But ultra-Orthodox communities had been exempted

1:51:28 from the rule. The court's decision could lead to Netanyahu losing support from ultra-orthodox parties in his coalition government, which could trigger new elections. The head of one of those parties called the ruling, quote, very unfortunate and disappointing. I don't think that's true. I thought only, isn't only Netanyahu can call new elections? Can it just be triggered if there's a I don't know. I have to do some research to know for sure. This whole Lebanon thing is so annoying. Alright, so we've cleaned up Gaza, but now we're going to keep going. You got me. I have one more. I'm baffled by this. I would be kind of in line with... It's the war machine. It's the war machine and we're behind it. Yes, thank you. It's the war machine. In fact, I have a

1:52:18 There was a great advertisement on CNA, which is I think the China news agency? Yeah, I think so. Well, I don't know whose side they're on, but this is an obvious, oh boy, we need more money. We need money. We need money because we don't have this gear. Hypersonic missiles, tipped with either conventional or nuclear warheads, can hone in on their targets at least five times faster than the speed of sound. They are a new threat because weapons to effectively counter them are yet to be fully developed and deployed. And that could redefine the global balance of military power.

1:52:56 China is seen to be leading the world when it comes to building up its arsenal, a milestone the United States has acknowledged. Two notable missiles are the DF-17, a medium-range ballistic missile equipped with a hypersonic glide vehicle, and the DF-41, which can be armed with up to a dozen nuclear-capable warheads. Russia, another producer of the high-speed projectiles, is the first country to use them in combat. At least two types are known to have been deployed so far in this invasion of Ukraine. That's the air-launched Kinzhal or Dagger and the sea-launched Zircon which uses a hypersonic glide vehicle. Yeah, I think we need to have some congressional hearings.

1:53:40 Well, what just happened, we should note, might as well put this in there, it's not covered by the mainstream, but it's covered by the defense newsletters, is that chief of the next generation ICBM project was fired. So? The government, it went way over budget, they didn't know what to do about it, they can't seem to get this next generation. This is the problem with all of our next generation technologies. Nobody can...it overruns, they can't estimate correctly. It's horrible. And so this guy got canned and now we're just basically just blown in the wind. We don't have anybody running the program basically over the next generation ICBM, which is supposed to have been done by now. It's not even close. Well, I take this CNA report to be some kind of propaganda for the war machines. Like, you know, China's got them, Russia's got them, you know, could change the global power balance.

1:54:37 We need it. Need some money. You know? Yeah. You can just wait for it. Yeah, let's definitely need money. We need money. I thought it was kind of funny this... interview a little bit here with Jack Reed who is a Democrat from Rhode Island about the draft. Of course there's always been talk of drafting women in the United States and here we are. Senator one thing on your plate right now is the National Defense Authorization Act. I mean this is for all who don't follow the NDA, this is a massive bill that sets Pentagon policy guiding funding for the year ahead. Sets policy.

1:55:17 No, it robs us of $900 billion policy. Included this time in various versions is a proposal that would make registering for the draft automatic and also a move in the Senate to expand it to women for the first time. What's going to happen with this? Well, I think it is an entirely sensible idea. It was recommended by a national bipartisan commission on national service. We took that recommendation and it was in 2016 and 2017 publicly supported by all our uniformed chiefs of staff.

1:55:55 Because it makes sense. 17% of the military today is composed of women. They're in every aspect of service, combat arms, technical services, etc. And we're in a situation where all we're trying to do is There's no draft in place today. It would take Congress to act, to pass legislation, to create a draft, and in that legislation they could make distinctions, clarifications, whatever Congress thought. But without this registration requirement, we are

1:56:31 missing on a vast pool of talent. I mean, it's interesting, we're talking about Israel. Their armed forces have been gender neutral for decades and decades. Oh no, now Israel. Yeah, now Israel's great. They've been gender neutral for decades and decades and decades. And they're one of the most effective fighting forces in the country. In the country? Are they here? Are they fighting here? In the country? Yeah, that's a good one. No, no, no, not in the country. This fits neatly into an executive order or a executive pardon from President Biden.

1:57:09 which came out the day before yesterday. President Joe Biden will pardon thousands of US military veterans who were convicted under a law that banned gay sex. Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice was in place from 1951 through 2013. Thousands of service members were convicted and faced court-martial during that time. President Biden said in a statement that he's writing a wrong for those service members who were convicted for simply being themselves. The White House says thousands of veterans will be impacted by the move. Anyone convicted for non-consensual acts will not be pardoned. Now this is interesting from a number of perspectives. First of all, this was overturned in 2013 during Obama. But the actual article 125, it's being played, if you just do a search,

1:58:02 article, you know, code USC 925 article 125, you'll get LGBTQ LGBTQ pride flags. It's all beautiful. It's all great. Go Joe. But this was actually about one thing sodomy. It wasn't a gay thing per se. It was obviously not a very modern thought, but any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense. I just wanted to be correct on that.

1:58:52 I thought it was interesting. Yeah, this is a another lame attempt by Biden to buy votes. Yeah. LGBTQ votes. Because it turns out that everybody that was kicked out will get money. They get the money that they would have had. And if they're dead, your family will get the money. Somebody gets money. Yeah. Yeah. So this is another giveaway. Yes. Yes. Yes. You're right. He does a good job of that. Yeah. Well, he also he tried that with the He tried that with the student loans? Yeah, he's taken a couple shots at that. That got turned down. It got turned down and it got rebooted. Yeah, let me see. I think I have it here. Some people do have some.

1:59:44 free money. Let me see, well, actually, let me see. This is NBC. Tonight, a campaign promise aimed at millions of student borrowers hangs in the balance. We made a commitment to fix our broken student loan system. One of President Biden's programs to slash student loan debt is partially on hold after two federal judges temporarily blocked further relief from what's known as the SAVE plan. Eight million borrowers are enrolled in the program that ties the amount of loan repayment to income and family size. Under its rules, about four million borrowers qualify for no monthly payment. Others get a deep reduction.

2:00:25 Austin Davis is a special education teacher who says he and his wife Brooke saw their monthly payments drop from nearly $1,600 down to $480. Without this, we would not have been able to afford the costs. to be able to have our own house, to live with our daughter. Two separate lawsuits were brought by Republican attorneys general across 18 states, arguing that the education secretary overstepped his authority and that states holding loans could be harmed. The president has no textual basis in law for this plan, and I'm not going to let Joe Biden saddle working Missouri families with Ivy League debt.

2:01:04 Education Secretary Miguel Cardona late today. People shouldn't have to choose between groceries and the student loans. Some Republicans are working harder to stop what we're doing to help than to offer any solutions. The administration says it intends to vigorously defend the relief program. Oh, God. Just more left, right, left, right. Get mad. Yeah, I wish you'd get mad. Tina and I went to the school board meeting here last Tuesday. Okay, why? Oh, it was well because we were asked to come and be in the audience because a number of people are going to speak against the books and I thought well this is I'd like to know what's going on with this you know this is all the all the books all the I have examples of these books I would not even read them on the show

2:01:58 Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're books that promoting sodomy. That's you bring it up. Yeah, I mean, really like with your grandpa and all kinds of was really weird. And so it's gotten to the point where these books are in the Fredericksburg school, but they're in a special room that's locked. And you have to get parent permission to go in and read them, which of course nobody does. No, of course not. Why would you? And so a number of people spoke, a lot of very upset moms, and John, it was amazing. Everyone just looked at them or didn't even look at them really, and then the meeting just kept on going. There was no discussion about it.

2:02:39 And I realized that everyone's in like irons. They're stuck. No one can say anything. No one can discuss it. The school board has been told that they can't get rid of these books because then the ACLU will sue them personally. The whole thing is a mess. And meanwhile, they're handing out trophies. I swear to God, a trophy three feet high to a teacher with the best attendance record. It was the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. And they're all clapping, you know, they're all clapping. Yay! It was, it was, it's sad really. And then, and then you hear the moms like, well, they're not learning anything. They're on their phone three hours a day. And it's like, what is going on? We've gotten to this point where the schools are no good. It's completely rotten to the core. And there's some administrator who, no one wanted the job. They had to bring some guy in from Tyler, Texas. He doesn't even live here.

2:03:35 And, you know, and I don't know, it's just this is you're right. The schools are no good. They have to blow it up somehow. I mean, I don't know how they're going to do it. It's very difficult. Yeah, well, they can't they can't fix it. It's not fixable. It looks like it really doesn't look like it's fixable. It really doesn't. It's just it's a big problem. And I'm sure that this is just a microcosm of what's going on everywhere. No, it's probably worse everywhere else. Yeah. I would have to assume. But people aren't, I mean, they aren't even engaging in discussion. Just like, okay, thanks, next. All right, well, you got something to say? All right. You know, Pastor Mike gets up, reads some Bible stuff. You know, beautiful. No, no. All right, thanks, Pastor Mike. All right, let's get over to the... Get off the stage. Let's get to the budget. What?

2:04:24 Get off the stage. They didn't say that, but well, they were thinking it. I'm thinking homeschooling people. Homeschooling is the way to go. You got to have something. Something has to be read, read, read, rethought. Let's talk a little bit about this, about another thing that's not covered much by the mainstream, which is EV dissatisfaction. Oh, well, I love EV dissatisfaction. Yeah, you're dissatisfied. And you don't even have an EV. I thought you said ED. I got EV dissatisfaction. Yes, okay. Just play it. A new survey says that 46% of American EV owners are likely to switch back to gas cars. And DDS David Lamb hears from some Californians who either love their EVs or have the best of both worlds.

2:03:35 And, you know, and I don't know, it's just this is you're right. The schools are no good. They have to blow it up somehow. I mean, I don't know how they're going to do it. It's very difficult. Yeah, well, they can't they can't fix it. It's not fixable. It looks like it really doesn't look like it's fixable. It really doesn't. It's just it's a big problem. And I'm sure that this is just a microcosm of what's going on everywhere. No, it's probably worse everywhere else. Yeah. I would have to assume. But people aren't, I mean, they aren't even engaging in discussion. Just like, okay, thanks, next. All right, well, you got something to say? All right. You know, Pastor Mike gets up, reads some Bible stuff. You know, beautiful. No, no. All right, thanks, Pastor Mike. All right, let's get over to the... Get off the stage. Let's get to the budget. What?

2:04:24 Get off the stage. They didn't say that, but well, they were thinking it. I'm thinking homeschooling people. Homeschooling is the way to go. You got to have something. Something has to be read, read, read, rethought. Let's talk a little bit about this, about another thing that's not covered much by the mainstream, which is EV dissatisfaction. Oh, well, I love EV dissatisfaction. Yeah, you're dissatisfied. And you don't even have an EV. I thought you said ED. I got EV dissatisfaction. Yes, okay. Just play it. A new survey says that 46% of American EV owners are likely to switch back to gas cars. And DDS David Lamb hears from some Californians who either love their EVs or have the best of both worlds.

2:05:13 The 2024 McKinsey & Company Mobility Consumer Global Survey shows 46% of EV owners surveyed in the United States said they will likely return to driving gas-powered vehicles. Worldwide, that number is 29% among 30,000 respondents in 15 countries. But in California, a handful of EV owners entities spoke to said they love their vehicles. In California, I think it makes sense to use EV cars because the gas prices are higher than the other states. There are some incentives to use EV cars. I could never imagine paying for gas again. I had to rent a car for a week and I was like, oh my god, this is just being at a gas station and spending like $100. For those wanting to return to driving gas-powered cars, Australia topped the list with 39% confirming so.

2:06:08 The lack of public charging stations was the main reason. The other reasons were the inability to charge at home, 24%, and too much worry and stress about charging, 21%. Some in California say there are plenty compared to other states. And so, you get around a lot faster. You can use all the commuter lanes and there's a lot of places to charge and gas just got so expensive. The only reason why I really bought it is because my company gives me free charging, but I'm okay with electric so far. Yeah, we'll wait until they get the per mile tax.

2:06:50 They won't be so happy then. I like the idea of that. I like this electric car because my company gives me free electricity. So you drive it to work, you work eight hours at the company and it's charging your car for free. Yeah, I think I'd get an electric car too if I had that deal. Now here's the kicker in part two of this clip. And some say they still need gas cars such as for heavy lifting and long distances. You've got a trailer with cattle in it. You're not going to do that with electric vehicles, pulling it up into the hills. No, for sure. Some people will have to have gas. because of this kind of thing. I like it a lot because my other car is a V8 and I use that for weekend and I still like that sound of the V8 car. According to the Bloomberg NEF, the upcoming presidential election also caused the jitters in the US EV market, slowing down EV adoption this year.

2:07:46 In the landmark 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, lawmakers approved $7.5 billion to build 500,000 public charging stations nationwide along interstates. To date, only eight public EV charging stations have been deployed in the U.S. Yeah, we all know that. 500,000. Don't you remember when Biden ran against Trump the first time? Yeah. Oh, we're going to build 500,000. It's going to be good union paying jobs. And after four years we've got eight? Well yes, we know this because this is, in fact, I have, how about this, from 2019 from the debates. My plan calls for 500,000 charging stations around the country so by 2030 we're all electric vehicles. There you go. That's from the 2019 debates.

2:08:39 for the 2020 election. That was his plan. And we know that Pete Buttigieg was called out on it. Let me ask you about a portion of this that I think does fall under your portfolio, and that's the charging stations you mentioned. The Federal Highway Administration says only seven or eight charging stations have been produced with a seven and a half billion investment that taxpayers made back in 2021. Why isn't that happening more quickly? So the president's goal is to have half a million chargers up by the end of this decade. Now, in order to do a charger, it's more than just plunking a small device into the ground. There's utility work. And this is also really a new category of federal investment. But we've been working with each of the 50 states. Every one of them is getting formula dollars to do this work, engaging them. Seven or eight, though? And the first handful—again, by 2030, 500,000 chargers. And the very first handful of chargers are now already being physically built.

2:09:32 Hey, here's a thought. The money's gone. How about that? The money was spent on something else. It was... Oh, that's an interesting idea. There's no more money. Because I'll tell you right now, down the street from me there are 10 Tesla chargers and there are other... Tesla chargers here and there around the area. Yeah. And so this and they can only the government can only with their seven billion dollars can only build eight. Yeah. Yeah. It has to have been stolen. I think the money I think the money's gone. And Pete knows it. Well, you know, hey, it's the end of the decade. Yeah. 2030. Even if you got reelected, you wouldn't be in office in 2030.

2:10:13 One of the big things that EVs struggle with, of course, is the promise of improved battery technology, which never really seems to get much better. But there is a new battery technology that has just emerged. I'm very bullish on this. Sand is hot enough to heat your home. Remember how you have to jump on the scorching beach in the summer? Sand can store energy like a battery. This Finnish company is now turning sand into thermal batteries to heat homes and could help have the industry transition away from fossil fuels. They heat up the air with electrical resistors. The hot air circulates through the cold sand, transferring heat. The sand can hold its heat for months and at really high temperatures, up to 60 degrees.

2:10:57 600 degrees Celsius. It can then be released as hot water or steam as needed. It's a greener, cheaper alternative to lithium batteries. But that's because this sand is low-grade, plentiful and not suitable for construction. Globally, sand mining is notoriously damaging to the environment. For now, this innovation is limited to regions with abundant clean energy sources and sand supplies. I'm thinking this is I'm going to give up on the gasifier. I'm going to get me a big, big vat of sand and make a sand battery. Oh, please. This is such bull crap. A sand battery. It's the best. I mean, so sand, who knew sand can keep heat for for months at 600 degrees centigrade? It has to be well insulated. I'm sure it could.

2:11:50 I don't believe any of that actually even insulated. This is better than the salt battery. I love you imagine like what do you got in the backyard there Bill? Oh, I got the big sand battery. Thing is huge. You just have a trailer behind your Tesla with a big big thing of sand. A little steam engine on it. Whoever gets you that clip should get an award. Welcome back. Right now, extreme heat baking millions of Americans. We're baking with heat advisories in place across the country. We just saw a weekend of triple digit temperatures. Oh, New York State's Department of Health reporting hundreds of heat related emergency emergencies nearly five times what it typically sees this time of year. While the Northeast and mid Atlantic states are getting a very, very short

2:12:40 pre-snow. The southeast and the southern plains remain dangerously hot. NBC's Erin McLaughlin has more on this wild weather. Erin? Hey there, over the weekend here in New York it was absolutely scorching. It's expected to be a bit better today but across the country it's still looking pretty extreme. It's not! How's the weather in your part of the country, John? Across the country. Let's talk about across the country. How you doing over there? Well, I can tell you what my temperature's around sixty... seven? Sixty-eight? Are you baking yet?

2:13:16 Yeah, you must be baking. You must be killing me. We have 95. I have to actually wear a couple layers. Right now we have 95 which is okay. Yeah, you've got some hot temperatures but for Texas, I've been to Texas. But normally it's in the hundreds by now. Yeah, normally it's like 105. It's dry though, dry heat. Very dry, very dry heat. I've been to Texas, it's been like 108 and it was actually very tolerable, not like Phoenix. I go out, I take the dog out wearing my hoodie. I'm not kidding. Well, it's an insulator. Yeah, but insulation goes both ways. It's not cold. It's not hot yet. It's like, yeah, it's all right. You know, just go out. It's fine. This is all lies, all lies. And then let's bring in the biggest liar in the universe. Who is the biggest liar when it comes to climate change? And by the way, he's a dope. We haven't heard from him for a while.

2:14:10 I don't know. be a clown. Wasn't he a rodeo clown or something? Now he's Bill? He actually does have a degree in like electrical engineering or something. Yes, he's an educator. I'm joined by science educator Bill Nye. Good morning Bill, it's so great to have you with us this morning. There are very few people watching us this morning who aren't. experiencing sweltering heat. It's summer! Flooding, wildfires. Yes, it's summer. It's officially been summer for a week now. It's summer. Oh, very few people haven't been witnessing the sweltering heat. Oh wow. Give us your read on that. Is this the new normal? Is it the new normal?

2:15:08 Oh, that we have a hot summer. Is that what he's at? She's asking how long the new normal that summer is going to be warm. When is the first time we heard new normal? Ooh, that's, that's a good one. 2012 of the soybean crop is rated very poor to poor. 66% of the nation's hay fields are in drought. So is 73% of the cattle land. This could be the new normal in the United States. And so we need to plan ahead because we know, and the science tells us, that under a changing climate, droughts will be more frequent and more intense across the United States. Yeah, tell it to the floods in Minnesota. So it was the new normal in 2012. It was the new normal, but is this the new normal? Give us your read on that. Is this the new normal?

2:15:55 It's it's the beginning of the new normal It's the beginning of the new normal so the latest beginning of the day at least from our perspective was in 2012 But I guess not no well hey hey you're not a science educator, so it's it's the beginning of the new normal with respect so the latest The latest research is that there's not a turning point or a tipping point or a knee in the curve. It's just going to get hotter and hotter and worse and worse and more and more extreme. So this is a taste of the normal of the future, unless... It's the future normal! ...we, humankind, get to work and address it. Oh, this is so great.

2:16:34 I think we need to know what we can do about this. I mean, obviously, we're baking, this is excoriating, people are just, we can't stand it anymore. What can we do, Bill Nye Science Guy? What do we need to do right now, in your view? Well, there's two things everybody. I say this all the time. The first thing is talk about climate change. Guy, talk about it. Because nobody's talking about it? Not enough. Is that the reason? Not enough. If we were talking with our families and friends... Oh, John, I want to have a chat with you about climate change. Okay. What are you doing to stop climate change?

2:17:17 I stopped listening to people that talk about climate change. That's all they talk about. And people we vote for about climate change, we'd be much more inclined to do something about it. And then the other thing I always say is vote. So we have a social... He says we'd be more inclined to do something about it. What? Votes he says vote so we have a situation Democrat never mind now here in the United States where one side one political party isn't acknowledging the problem Let alone coming up with a plan to do something about it furthermore the other side is

2:17:56 Cowtowing is doing what the fossil fuel industry wants to do and as Upton Sinclair said it's hard for a man to Change his mind when his income depends on not changing his mind. Hello, but you say being yourself meet your cop do the health that's right you can't change Bill Nye's mind because His income depends on his income depends on this nonsense. I It really is, yeah climate change, you know, there was this article, everyone was tweeting it and like, oh look at this, how is this possible? Washington Post, the scariest thing about climate change question mark? Global cooling.

2:18:38 Now, did you see this? Did you see this? No, I maybe I ran by me. I'll give you the highlight because no one really read it. It's like, oh please can we get over this whole thing but okay. So here's the byline, we've been accidentally cooling the planet and it's about to stop. Humans fossil fuel burning has cooled the planet while warming it. That makes nothing but sense. Yeah, I think you made the right sound. Sorry. I stepped on it. So the idea is... that because we've been cleaning up air pollution by not burning fossil fuels, all those little itty bits of particles from combustion of coal, oil and gas, they actually reflect sunlight and spur the formation of clouds shading the planet from the sun's rays. But since we're cleaning up our act, now we have less clouds

2:19:32 I know where this is leading by the way. We have less clouds so now the planet will warm even faster because we're doing such a good job of stopping climate change. Now, of course, what they're trying to do here is twofold. One is we have to work even faster. to stop to, you know, to get everyone in an electric vehicle with eight charging stations. Actually, work even faster before, because of the sunspot cycles, before things turn around naturally. Exactly. We have to work faster because once they start turning around naturally, then the jig is up. We're already there. The solar cycle has already peaked. This is why it's only 95.

2:20:17 They're gaslighting us, surprise. What? Is this gambling? And I think this is also a nod towards Bill Gates's climate geoengineering, creating clouds, spraying stuff in the air. Yeah, I think this will be misused. Contaminating the entire world's environment. That's a great idea. But let's go back to the science guy, the educator. If you meet with people who don't believe in climate change, don't believe in global warming, and there are a lot of them. Stop, stop. You notice that they have to use the word believe as though it was a faith. Correct. And notice she says global warming and not climate change.

2:21:02 That's interesting. Well, if you're a believer... Ah, yes. If you believe... It's the same thing. It's climatism. If you meet with people who don't believe in climate change, don't believe in global warming, and there are a lot of them, what do you say to them? What do you say to them to convince them? Believe! So if I could convince people in one sitting that would be fabulous, but that is proven quite difficult I tell everybody it takes it takes years where people see the evidence see the evidence and the problem we have in climate change is we don't have a 9-11 or a Pearl Harbor. We need a 9-11 Okay, we need a 9-11 or is he telegraphing something here?

2:21:49 You've got to be careful of this science educator guy. Yeah, but what could possibly happen? Anything that's natural that happens, it reverses the situation like a big volcano going off. It cools the earth. Well, we need some kind of 9-11. I don't know what this is. It's not coming. And the problem we have in climate change is we don't have a 9-11 or a Pearl Harbor. It's just too bad. It's slow motion. Because you know 9-11 that didn't kill anybody. Oh yeah, a million Iraqis. Yeah, we need one of those. So everybody that I speak with acknowledges that the climate is changing. So what?

2:22:34 Everyone, of course, because it's always changing. It does that historically is what it does. The nudge that we work on and people on my side of this is pointing out that humans are causing it and we're doing it because we've been we've had created this wonderful quality of life for so many people by burning carbon, ancient swamps, coal, oil, gas. We just got to stop doing that. Yeah. You first, Bill. I got a, actually I have a quick update, both the boots on the ground, but here is the, this, we're kind of low, we're kind of low and slow on the bird flu. The United States government is working to fund a human bird flu vaccine trial for Moderna, according to a report by the Financial Times. Right now, H5N1 bird flu is spreading among wild birds, causing outbreaks in poultry and dairy cows.

2:23:34 The USDA has also detected the virus in our nation's milk supply. On April 24th, the USDA announced a federal order requiring lactating dairy cows be tested. I love the lactating dairy cows. If they're not lactating, does it not count? Chest feeders. Prior to interstate movement, announcing financial assistance for producers with affected herds. Just this week, Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds issued a disaster proclamation for Sioux County, Iowa after it was revealed that more than 4 million chickens would have to be killed after a bird flu outbreak at a farm. And two dairy workers, one in Texas and one in Michigan, contracted the virus and left.

2:24:15 Yeah, yeah, they haven't even gotten the thirst. These same two guys that were infected months ago. They recovered. This is still the spearhead. These two guys. They recovered. Luckily they recovered. One in Texas. Oh, they got so lucky. They're the so lucky pink eye. They had pink eye. Contracted the virus in the last two months. However, they've since both recovered and the Centers for Disease Control says the current public health risk is low. So I talked to my friends in the testing industrial complex because you know CDC had called a meeting of all everyone in the complex. Hey we got testing, testing, testing, testing. We gotta do some testing. Everybody ready for some testing? Gotta do some testing. Are you ready for some testing? Gotta do some testing. So here is the report I received. They downplayed H5N1 and said risks were low. Then

2:25:09 They focused on dengue fever infections. And the emails coming in today are content heavy. It may only be a topic right now because of the summer weather, but I noticed many hot words that were reflective of the COVID-19 speak during the pandemic. Sent some screenshots. Recommendations for health providers. Maintain a high suspicion for dengue among patients with fever and recent travel. Order appropriate FDA-approved dengue tests, which are PCR. And do not delay treatment waiting for test results to confirm dengue. How many times have they tried? The dengue thing has never panned out. Never. No, it's because it's a subtropical disease that's pretty hard to get. Now, I had a friend, an editor of mine, had dengue. Yes. When she was younger. And she's dead now? She's gone? She's six feet under? No, she's fine.

2:26:07 But she said it's not as uncomfortable to have but she says that whatever the case is whatever you do never take aspirin That's what kills you really? Yeah, because the aspirin is a blood like it has a blood thinning quality to it of some sort and Dengue is looking for something like that. It's just not no good. You can't use it. Hmm. And that's the main thing to know That's all I was told that's a good tip. That's it. That's an actual very good tip at the end of the tip of the tip of the week Of course. If you get dengue, you know, don't take aspirin. That's basically all it is. Good tip. It is the summer of course, which means COVID's on the rise. And another alert this summer about a COVID comeback. COVID comeback! Cases are once again on the rise, fueled by new variants. Please. We're in McLaughlin now with the latest updated guidance on masking and isolation. I play this clip for you because I guarantee you'll be seeing people with masks everywhere in California.

2:27:06 Tonight, for a growing number of Americans, this summer of sizzling temps is also the summer of sick. Oh, the sizzling, the summer of sizzling temps is also the summer of sick. The number of COVID cases now on the rise nationwide. Listen to the ambulance background Nat Pop, nice. It's also the summer of sick. The number of COVID cases now on the rise nationwide. Wow. So far 15 states have high or very high levels of the virus in their wastewater. According to the latest data released by the CDC. I probably characterize it more as a swell Um, it's certainly more than we've seen in the last few months as people crowd indoors to escape the heat. The virus spreads. This year's uptick is thanks to the so called flirt variants variants of omicron, which now account for more than 60% of covid cases. Covid 19 is indeed becoming

2:26:07 But she said it's not as uncomfortable to have but she says that whatever the case is whatever you do never take aspirin That's what kills you really? Yeah, because the aspirin is a blood like it has a blood thinning quality to it of some sort and Dengue is looking for something like that. It's just not no good. You can't use it. Hmm. And that's the main thing to know That's all I was told that's a good tip. That's it. That's an actual very good tip at the end of the tip of the tip of the week Of course. If you get dengue, you know, don't take aspirin. That's basically all it is. Good tip. It is the summer of course, which means COVID's on the rise. And another alert this summer about a COVID comeback. COVID comeback! Cases are once again on the rise, fueled by new variants. Please. We're in McLaughlin now with the latest updated guidance on masking and isolation. I play this clip for you because I guarantee you'll be seeing people with masks everywhere in California.

2:27:06 Tonight, for a growing number of Americans, this summer of sizzling temps is also the summer of sick. Oh, the sizzling, the summer of sizzling temps is also the summer of sick. The number of COVID cases now on the rise nationwide. Listen to the ambulance background Nat Pop, nice. It's also the summer of sick. The number of COVID cases now on the rise nationwide. Wow. So far 15 states have high or very high levels of the virus in their wastewater. According to the latest data released by the CDC. I probably characterize it more as a swell Um, it's certainly more than we've seen in the last few months as people crowd indoors to escape the heat. The virus spreads. This year's uptick is thanks to the so called flirt variants variants of omicron, which now account for more than 60% of covid cases. Covid 19 is indeed becoming

2:27:57 more mild over time. Population immunity has been going up and therefore the severity of the illness has been going down. And yet it's still worse than the flu. Yes, COVID-19 is still worse than the flu. It is the flu. Shut up. The outcomes of COVID-19 are still worse than the flu. Doctors say the elderly and immunocompromised are still at high risk. That's not a true story. No, the flu kills a lot of people every year. Except the year that it was gone entirely. It's so amazing. Yeah, that was a weird year. That was a strange year. We just got lucky we dodged a bullet. We did. Worse than the flu, the outcomes of COVID-19 are still worse than the flu.

2:28:35 Doctors say the elderly and immunocompromised are still at high risk of severe disease and should consider masking in public spaces and make sure they're up to date on their vaccines. While preventative masking for healthy individuals is no longer recommended by the CDC. They say if you're infected, wearing a mask can prevent spread. As for isolating, the CDC has updated their guidance saying that if you have symptoms, stay isolated. Otherwise, you don't need to isolate even if you're testing positive. That new guidance has raised some concern among medical experts. Lester? Yeah, CDC says if you test positive but you don't feel bad, then just go outside. Okay, well, I'll take their word for it. What they missed in that report is to promote the, I think we're now at

2:29:25 COVID booster number nine. I think it's number nine, number nine, number nine is in play. Number nine. And, uh, and still with everything we know, all the models, all we know about, you know, climate change, all the things we know about COVID, um, just so much incredible science that has been done in the past four years. We still can't figure out these strokes and heart attacks. It's, It's baffling everybody, but we have a new theory. Dr. Gupta, always good to see you. So talk to us about what this study found in terms of loneliness and how it can actually lead to an increased risk of stroke. Loneliness. How is that possible? You know what we're saying, I mean this is surprising to all of us because... Wait, hold on. Let's stop and just think about this before you continue this clip.

2:30:11 So instead of hypertension or getting worked up or getting mad and angry because you got a mate there that messes up the place or who knows what or you're in with a bunch of people that are idiots and you have to scream at them, which could just blow a blood vessel. You're by yourself with low blood pressure, semi-depressed, you're just sitting around, maybe watching television, and boom, there goes your stroke. Is that what causes strokes? Loneliness? This seems to be the issue at hand. To all of us, because there's always thought to be a causal link. Well, gosh, if somebody's lonely, maybe they're stressed and then they might have high blood pressure and that could predispose to stroke. That's the opposite of what you said. If they're lonely, they have high blood pressure and they're stressed. Go for all of that. And now what we're going to really look for is does loneliness actually cause inflammation in the body?

2:31:02 Inflammation. Wow. And is that what we think might be causing this increase in stroke? So there's a direct link, that's what we're saying here, between loneliness, chronic loneliness, and the incidence of stroke. So there's a direct causal link, although I thought that wasn't allowed in science. I like, it's not, in fact, it's not, but I like the causal, the way he said it. Causal. Well, let's- A causal link. Now, let's, Let's pay attention here because you can diagnose chronic loneliness and I want to make sure that we're not... Can you do it with AI? I hope we're not suffering from it. When you say inflammation, do you mean sort of the causal direction is loneliness causes inflammation or inflammation causes loneliness? Causal, word again. The first one, so loneliness. What is causal? Causal means it's causing it or is it just... I guess so and it's also chronic. What's chronic?

2:31:55 But chronic is a term used in diseases and analysis, so you now chronic loneliness is like chronic hangnails or chronic body odor. I'm not getting the use they're mixing up these phrases and terms to get you freaked out. The first one, so loneliness causes maybe some degree of stress but that's actually manifesting in the body more than inflammation. Interesting, physically. Actually, physically. And that's the hypothesis to explain these findings. That's really interesting. And I guess my next question would be when... Oh, that's interesting. Let me look at the script. I guess my next question would be roll the prompter. Okay, yes. That's really interesting. And I guess my next question would be when do you sort of actually decide to diagnose loneliness and consider it chronic? It's so tough because there's actually no formal clinical criteria. So it's in some ways similar to how we diagnose depression. Are they disconnected from, is somebody disconnected from their community? Are they not really engaging with friends or loved ones? Do they never leave their home?

2:32:51 There's this gut sense of, okay, this person is lonely versus not just based on how we diagnose depression, but especially for those that are older. John, I'm concerned about you. If you never leave the house, especially if you're older, this is very concerning. Yeah, I think you should be concerned. You could keel over at any minute. I could keel over like Biden. Last clip. Is loneliness linked to any other chronic health conditions? I mean, the surgeon general saying that it's like smoking 15 cigarettes a day. What? Whoa. I'm so lonely. If you smoked 15 cigarettes a day to be jacked up it seems to me. I'm so lonely. To any other chronic health conditions, I mean the Surgeon General is saying that it's like smoking 15 cigarettes a day. He's right and that's exactly what we're seeing, Vicki. We're seeing this concerning trend where there's a direct causal link between loneliness and heart attacks.

2:33:45 Even pneumonia, the lung doctor, you're saying, well, gosh, somebody is more predisposed to pneumonia if they're lonely. And so there is that link here that somehow being socially isolated, it shouldn't surprise us, is actually having real physical impacts to the body. Oh my God. I mean, the only thing I can see here is like get people on antidepressants because they're lonely, because that'll make you social. That'll do it. I mean, it's, This is, you know what, the Surgeon General should come out and say watching M5M media is bad for your health. We are in fact performing a public service here by warning people, do not listen to this nonsense or only listen to it under strict supervision of your favorite podcasters. Yeah, I'd say that's probably good advice. Seriously.

2:34:37 This is really insane. I do have this thing on this. I have two crisis clips. Since we're talking about this sort of thing. Didn't we play these on the last show? Which ones? The vape crisis? Yeah, we played these. I'm thinking of the elder. I know we haven't played the elder ones. Oh, no, we have not played the elder ones. No. This is the elder abuse and I have some thoughts on this because yesterday I was being abused and I'm an elder. Was this the pressure group lady who was abusing you? No, no, I was abusing her. Oh, no, I got like six. It always happens on Wednesday. I got like six of these calls. Hi, you're you tell you've been paying too much for your utilities. We'll give you a 50 dollar discount and a 35 percent reduction. Did you go or did you go like this?

2:35:29 My favorite one is that you pick up, hello, and you hear nothing. And then you hear, hello? It's an AI. It's a phony. Hello? Oh, I'm with such and such, you know, with car repairs or something. There's a million possibilities. But it's not even a real person there. And you just either wait and you hit the button. They've been hanging up on me recently, though, because I've been hanging up on them so much. You're on a list. Call this guy and then hang up on him. It's that guy. So this has been going on, but let's play these clips. Attorney General Merrick Garland and the Justice Department celebrated Elder Justice today. Garland joined at 1780. Hold on a second. Show title if I ever heard one. Elder Justice? I mean...

2:36:19 Justice for JCD if we I mean this is great you're a regular George Floyd of the elder. The department celebrated elder justice today. Garland joined 17 agencies at a meeting of the Elder Justice Coordinating Council or EJCC to recognize a decade of federal progress in combating elder abuse. Every year millions of older adults experience some form of elder abuse, neglect, financial exploitation or fraud. We know that the vast majority of elder abuse cases go unreported. Yeah, no, that's a real thing. So they're bringing in, so the thing is focusing on financial fraud, being robbed basically, and fraud. Yes. Which is why I'm talking about what these phone calls I've been getting. Yes, because they just want to get your deets and then they steal your money.

2:37:15 So let's play the second clip and I'll expose my complaint. Garland said the DOJ has aggressively targeted perpetrators of elder fraud and abuse while providing victims with the support they need, resulting in hundreds of millions of dollars returned to elderly victims. The EJCC was established by the 2010 Elder Justice Act to coordinate federal activities related to elder abuse, neglect and exploitation. Leaders from the Department of Health and Human Services as well as four pioneers of the elder justice movement also gave remarks at the EJCC meeting.

2:37:54 EJCC is a quite an organization. Okay, so we have the Justice Department. When are they going to stop these calls? Do you remember Elizabeth Warren? It was at least a decade ago talking about, oh, Rachel calls and she always wants you to do this and that and the other things. They're trying to steal your money. I'm gonna put a stop to it. This is when she was running for president. Nothing has changed. I get so many calls. which I hang up on and I get a funny thing on the line. I said, Mimi says she gets this too and people might notice it. But on the digital line that I have for my landline, they first you hear some sort of a pitch, which is recording. And they say, Oh, please hang on the line. We keep hanging on. And then you hear this sound. It goes, bloop.

2:38:37 And it's a little sound before they come on, before a real person comes on the line in India or who knows where, China. I have no idea where these people are. I think they all have Indian accents, so I think most of this action's in India. But it's bloop, you hear it just before. As soon as I hear it, I just hang up, which I think is why they're hanging up on me now. But why can't they, this is all through the public networks. Why do they not do a better job of tracking these people down? I don't care where they are. They're talking bitch and moan and have elder justice. Why don't they put a stop to this? This is the Justice Department garland talking? They haven't done jack about this.

2:39:21 John C. DuBois acts, Pet Peeve of the Day. Oh wow. They haven't done jack. They have not done jack. They've done nothing, not even jack. No. Not even jack. No, no. It is a problem. Lots of old elders are being screwed out of lots of money. Not only old but young. Kids are getting screwed too. Don't kid. You know, it's not just a bunch of old ladies that are falling for this bull crap. That's true. That's true. Now instead, instead, let's get rid of Alex Jones. He's the problem. That's what we gotta do. We want to thank the rest of our producers until 50, down to $50 who supported us today for episode 1672. We don't read anything under $50 for reasons of anonymity, but we do want to acknowledge those who are on sustaining donations, which you make yourself. You can set it up yourself. Just do something on the Never Never, on the Layaway Program, anything you want and keep track of it because when you reach the knighthood, let us know.

2:40:35 Did you get the fancy ring? We don't have any nights today. No, we didn't have any last show either. By the way, we're experiencing a night shortage. I have a question. So one of Trump's, he announced this in Now, I'm going to go back on something I've been saying for years and years and years about the value for value model, which is, you know, we're not working for tips here. This is value. We give you value and we expect some value. We actually started by, oh, just hit the tip jar. Well, the show would have been done within six months if we did that. No, we didn't. We avoided it. We avoided it. But now, with Trump saying he will do away with taxes on tips. Yeah.

2:41:19 I don't think so. Let's go back, I'll go back in history since you brought this up. Okay. You're always trying to avoid taxes. The original thinking was, and I can't quite quote you but I can come pretty close, let's say 60, 15 years ago. You said, well since this is like we're getting donations, donations aren't taxable are they? Did I say that really? Yes you did. Well I was inexperienced and young. And I said, no, we're not doing that. What did I know? This is a hundred percent tax, a tax, this is a tax. We get taxed. We get taxed for our money. We're not non-profit. We're nothing, nothing like that. This is seen as regular income. And so this tip idea is just an extension of your old idea. I'm so sorry that I brought it up. I was just trying to help us, you know.

2:42:17 You're getting robbed, man. You're getting robbed. Elder abuse. You need to keep hanging on. We are getting robbed, but it's the price you have to pay to be a podcaster. That's right. That's right. It's a grind. It's very hard. John. It's one of the hardest businesses to be in. That's not a joke. We just make it look easy. Thank you. Who can we thank? We can start with Sir Ever of the Watt. Okay. He's in Linwood, Michigan and he came in with one two three dot four five one two three four five one of our favorite donations. Yes, if everybody gave us that we'd be on easy street. And so would the government. They could buy a new jet. Sir PJ of Durden comes up next and he's in Holland in the city of Katwijk. Katwijk. And he says, he actually wrote a note that I have to read some of.

2:43:07 He says, this is actually an attempt to get through Adam's obvious inbox apocalypse so we can finally plan the Des Dagon podcast interview. He promised. Yes, Sir PJ, I have you and it's happening. We already discussed the date, I think. I think it was Sir PJ. Yes, it's happening Sir PJ. Yeah, the podcast days a dacha these days But if he wants to send us one two three dot four five like he just did again to reremind us That you need to do his podcast good, but we're not gonna complain. Oh, not at all a William Hammer in Hagerston, Maryland $100 Prince by AG in Lancaster, New Hampshire 88 66 he needs some

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2:44:38 Yes, nightlight snacks in Linnbrook. What is this product? 8438, I have no idea. You might want to look it up. Christian Groolish in Lakeland, Florida, 8008. That's a boobs donation along with Kevin McLaughlin in Concord, North Carolina. He's actually the Archduke of Luna. A lover of boobs, he doesn't miss out. It's been going on for years, 8008 from him. Jason Mararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararar

2:45:27 Brett Pederson, P-E-D-E-R-S-O-N, or Pederson, in Wyckoff, Minnesota. I hope he's not flooded. This is a double switcheroo for Fig Head from Monger. And he's a de-douching. You've been de-douched. Mark Tharnish in Elgin, Nebraska, sorry, 60. Todd Hendrickson in Woodstock, Illinois, 55. Adrian Sales, I'm guessing, Salies in Adelaide, South Australia. Salies, mate, Salies. Salies. A surprise night of astonishment in Yukon, Oklahoma, 54, 44.

2:46:18 Devin O'Connell in Boylston, Massachusetts, 5341, and he says it's a baby seal donation. Yeah, we promised the club a baby seal. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't have to. We didn't have to, thanks to Anonymous. Kevin Lehman in Rochester, Washington, 5271, Baron Anonymous, cop! Actually Jay got that wow I was gonna say good work Jay. Yeah, she says to me. She's doing the Yeah, she's this guy and she names him. You know I said you're right He's been a guy before it's not the guy you let the guy I said yeah Baron anonymous cop

2:46:55 in Redwood City 5150. I sent him a note he never answered back. Stephen Graovac in Mount Pritchard, New South Wales 51. A lot of Australia. Ever since we said Australia is the testing ground. Yes, this is interesting. You've noticed this. Yes, ever since we said Australia is the... and since we play Australian clips. More Australian clips. You know what? We play Africa clips. Do any Africans donate? No. We have one guy. Yeah, one guy. But we play Australia clips, boom, everyone's donating. I love it. I also think it has to do with my calling their Prime Minister Elmer Fudd. I think that helps. Yeah. Nicholas Clark in Port Angeles, Washington. Hey, 50-01. And he's discussing the Snapchill canned coffees, including our favorites.

2:47:50 has been recalled. You know, I had a can just out of deference. I didn't die. No, it's just a recall from paperwork. Oh, so there's not actually going to die from it? Because it was upon your recommendation. You said, because we saw this and you said, no, this is sketchy. It is. And I went, OK. And down to one of those snap chills. Yeah. Yeah. So it's paperwork, because someone didn't do the paperwork properly? Is that what it is? Yeah, that's what it sounds like. But you know, the thing is, I use ground beans. I make my own damn coffee. You're like canned coffee guy. Well, I like that Snapshield stuff. It's good. And now with botulism.

2:48:41 He says he's this Nicholas Clark says he's good friends and a co and a co-worker of John's UPS driver in Port Angeles So John next time you see Brock Tell him you're glad he's telling the world about the no agenda podcast because he's saving lives. Oh, that's nice How about you get rock? How about how about that belt thing one of our producers made that lift the what I'm sorry the belt shelf You should give one to him He's a UPS guy. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, give him a belt shelf. Brian Hummel in Wimberley, Texas, 50. Oh, we're now at the 50s already. So let's just rattle these off, name and location, starting with Brett, or I'm sorry, Brian and then Brett Denton in Boise. Samuel Cannarday in North Riverside, Illinois. Robert Fleury in Birmingham. Amy Grohl in Burien, Washington. You've all been there if you've been to this airport.

2:49:39 Fall Line Farm in Columbus, Georgia. Person of Merit Comics in Columbus, Ohio. These plugs are killing me. They're great. Brian Emmenheiser in Lancaster, California. Jack Schofield in Yankee Town, Florida. Michael Elmore in Gastonia, North Carolina. John Taylor in Florissant, Colorado. Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon. Richard Gardner, who I think is in New York. Yes, sir. Richard Gardner.

2:50:16 Cheturelli in Spain, Wyoming and last on the list is our Baron in Beaverton, Oregon, Alan Bean. Good to hear from Sir Alan Bean, very nice. Yeah, he sends a Check every he's been sending a check since the very early days early days with the note. I will reiterate the note It said I'm gonna send you a $50 check every month as long as the podcast continues to be good I guess we're hanging in we're hanging in a check $50 a month for every month since then. 16 years, maybe. Yeah, 16 years probably. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, be careful. He's probably much higher than a baron if you do the math. Yeah, well he should let us know and he should be on the lookout for elder abuse. His rampants are Alan B.

2:51:07 Thank you to these producers and everyone who came in under $50 for reasons of anonymity. Again, thank you for those who are on the sustaining donations. And thanks to our executive and associate executive producers. We appreciate you very much. Remember, we are working this July 4th and the July 4th weekend. Here's the karmas requested. You've got karma. You've got karma. That'll make some babies. NoahJenderDonations.com become a Noah Jender producer today.

2:50:16 Cheturelli in Spain, Wyoming and last on the list is our Baron in Beaverton, Oregon, Alan Bean. Good to hear from Sir Alan Bean, very nice. Yeah, he sends a Check every he's been sending a check since the very early days early days with the note. I will reiterate the note It said I'm gonna send you a $50 check every month as long as the podcast continues to be good I guess we're hanging in we're hanging in a check $50 a month for every month since then. 16 years, maybe. Yeah, 16 years probably. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, be careful. He's probably much higher than a baron if you do the math. Yeah, well he should let us know and he should be on the lookout for elder abuse. His rampants are Alan B.

2:51:07 Thank you to these producers and everyone who came in under $50 for reasons of anonymity. Again, thank you for those who are on the sustaining donations. And thanks to our executive and associate executive producers. We appreciate you very much. Remember, we are working this July 4th and the July 4th weekend. Here's the karmas requested. You've got karma. You've got karma. That'll make some babies. NoahJenderDonations.com become a Noah Jender producer today.

2:51:46 Man, we are short on birthdays. That's weird. No one making babies around nine months before this. Sir Michael wishes his sister Darla a happy belated birthday and turning 48 on the 29th, the one and only Sir Dirty Jersey Whore. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And once again, no nights, no title changes, no dames. So we go straight to the meetup. And we don't have any meetups scheduled today. And by the way, no agenda meetup. You have to witness at least one of these in your lifetime. I guarantee you, you'll keep going back. You will love doing it. There is one tomorrow, the Montrose Ballbreaker meetup, four o'clock at Slick Willy's Family Pool Hall. That's in Houston, Texas. We have the inaugural Sizzling Summer Climate Summit Banger.

2:52:50 1 o'clock, North Jersey, Barside of Rudd Hut in Clifton, New Jersey. Also on Saturday, the Rhode Island Pool Partay, 2.33 at... Oh, this will be at the home of Lady Butters and Sir Knives. That's going to be a fun one. So RSVP to them directly. That's in Rhode Island. The Oregon Local 33 on Saturday. They meet at 3.30 Pacific Willamette Park, Westland, Oregon. Notice I pronounced it right. Willamette. The friends of the frantically flummoxed and fantabulous folks. A birthday celebration! Lee Harvey's in Dallas, Texas. Huh. And say happy birthday to Sir Dirty Jersey Whore. He'll be celebrating that day, 3.30 Central Time. The flight of the No Agendas, number 53. That can only be Leo Bravo. This time at the Boomtown Brewery in Los Angeles Arts District, California. Watch out for the homeless. And the Podfather's Day Meetup. Huh.

2:53:44 What is this all about? On Saturday, 5.30 at the Dublin Pub in Dayton, Ohio. Finally, on Sunday, our next show day, Longview's lively, laugh-loaded midsummer meetup, the Hangover Special, 4.30 at Rotolo's Pizzeria in Longview, Texas. And that's also the dirty jersey whore. Man, he just can't get enough of these meetups, can he? Coming up in July. On the 5th, Fremantle, Western Australia. Send us a Meetup report. Amsterdam, North Holland on the 6th. Raleigh, North Carolina on the 11th. Bikini, Texas on the 13th. Kernersville, North Carolina. Garden City, Idaho. Fort Wayne, Indiana. Rabbit Hatch, Kentucky on the 14th. Keene, New Hampshire on the 20th. Lansing, Michigan. Santa Rosa, California. San Diego, California.

2:54:29 Palm Beach Gardens, Florida on the 21st. Wiesbaden, Germany. Hallo Deutschland! Here's the Hoff. That'll be on the 27th. Ironton, Minnesota. Trinidad and Tobago on the 28th. We really need meetups for our reports from these. I really want to hear you guys talking. And another Amsterdam the Netherlands on the 28th We're going into August Keyport, New Jersey on the 11th and they get John out of the house meetup because you know He could become depressed. They could have a heart attack August 17th, Albany, California carditis That's your no agenda meetups. The schedule can be found at no agenda meetups comm you will meet people from all over the world all walks of life there's

2:55:08 Never a fight. It's always a party. You will walk away with phone numbers and friends for life I guarantee it no one Jenna meetups calm if you can't find one start one yourself It's like a party It's always like a party. We're almost done with Cheers. We're at season 10, episode 21. I keep remembering that because of the meet-up jingle. No. That show was... That had last... That had staying power. That was a pretty good show. You know, the first year, it was almost cancelled. I can see why. The first season was not great. The jokes were meh. I think when they really gave Norm a lot more...

2:56:09 A lot more dialogue, it became better for some reason. But I did not like that. Well, they had to fight to keep it on the air and they did and then it became a huge long-term success making the network tons of money, which is typical. Yeah. Typical. I have a whole bunch of ISO, so I'm just playing you tell me if you like anything, okay? And I can tell you this, you're gonna win because I don't have one ISO. For the love of God, he has a rotten brain! No. No? Okay. We got the facts, we got the facts, we got the facts. I like that. Okay. When all else fails, ham radio. No. Yeah, no. A hundred percent. That's cute. The longer I talk, it's going to get dumber. Okay. Do you like any of these? Anything that we can- Yeah, I liked the, I liked the a hundred percent one and the first or second one played. What was the first or second one I liked? The second one was, uh, oh, the facts this week? We got the facts. We got the facts. We got the facts.

2:57:10 Yeah, I like that one and the 100% I like those two. I think the 100% has to win because it's 100% man 100% you know it's 100% 100% we win. Hey, why? Well, this is weird. What's happening here? Now your machine's blowing up. Yeah, it seems to be homeless. You know, this is not good. Hold on. What happened here? This is very strange. I've never had this happen. It's always something. So you can do your tip first if you want. I actually have two tips. Oh. One's, one's, I'm going to do this. This is going to be a regular feature. I'm going to do a product tip every show. Okay. As long as it's not about that drive fixer, which blew up my drive. Cause I do blame you for that, obviously. Of course you would. Um, well, first of all, it's just a bonus tip Mimi sent in.

2:58:25 She says she opened an Amazon box and then she looked into this problem online. She opened an Amazon box and a baby cockroach was inside, which she quickly killed. But she says she recommends opening Amazon boxes outside because of this. I guess a couple of the warehouses are cockroach infested. Ugh, nasty. Yeah, that's a good tip. That's a very good, it's a very handy tip. Now the other tip is a product tip which is because Jay's been using this product to do the scanning of the checks and the scanning of the notes and the rest of it. It's a killer app. It works on phones, iOS, and it also works on the Android phones. It's called Cam, people just look it up, Cam Scanner. Now when I was a kid- I've used the Cam Scanner. Cam Scanner's a terrific product.

2:59:20 And I remember when I was a kid and I bought a copy stand and you screw a camera onto it and you had to put the lights up there and you take a picture of some document or something you want to scan. And then now scanners, regular bed scanners came out. But this, it does the adjusting, it does the focusing, it takes care of all this. It is a fabulous product. And she says she's been using it since 2017 and it works like a champ. And of course all of her contact details have been shared all over China with this free app. This is a free app. Well, you can pay for it too, but yes, she used the free version. Of course. I've used CamScanner, it's good. I wanted to... It's a tip because you can use these in regular parlance. I first wanted to circle back to the Cojoles door de Kerek.

3:00:13 The bullet has been shot through the church. Remember that one? That duchessm? Yes. We were trying to deconstruct it and neither one of us could come up with anything. Although I had a theory about Lutheranism, but this... Well, this is used as, uh-oh, you know, it's kicking off, is kind of the way it's used. It's kicking off now, and the bullet in question was shot by the Spaniards. It was a cannonball. shot by the Spaniards in 1573 during the siege of Harlem and they shot it right through the scent Bavo kirk and you can still see the hole that it made

3:00:54 They kept it intact? Well, I think they closed the hole up. They have a big arrow like, the hole was here. You can see where it was. The hole was here. Yes. Wow. This is where the hole was. 1573. These things have staying power. Now, the one that was sent to me today, I cannot believe we have not brought this up on the show. You can use this one when something bad has just happened. And the phrase is, stront aan de knikker. Which means poop on the marble. Coop? No, poop. Poop on the marble. Oh, this is a San Francisco saying. It is? No, but there's plenty of poop on marble there. Yes, and this comes from the 1700s when kids were playing marbles.

3:01:44 And often because it was like San Francisco... So it was about marbles, not marble. No, marbles. Poop on the marble. So they were playing marbles and it was like San Francisco back in the Netherlands in the 1700s. And sometimes they would roll the marble and it would roll through the poop. And that's when it meant, uh-oh, there's poop on the marble. Something's about to happen. So you can use this, it's stront aan de knikker. Try it with me, John. Stront aan de knikker. Stront aan de knikker. The world's gone mad, but don't you worry, it's time for tip of the day with Adam Curry. Yeah. Oh, brother. Okay. We will be using this. Hey, you Aussie, send me a couple of phrases that you got down under. You will be using this. You will be using stront aan de knikker. I guarantee you. I guarantee you. I think.

3:02:40 We were gonna end it for today, but we look forward to seeing you back here on Thursday as we move towards the fourth of July Sunday I mean not Sunday Thursday Sunday. I don't know I guess Sunday. I got bone graft going on. I'm amazed I'm still still sitting you sound fine. Yeah. No I sure I feel great I'll bet. We got Joe Biden's brain coming up, Brian Longenecker with a little bit of De Niro. We got Dee's last, Professor Jay Jones. And up next on Trollroom.io, the No Agenda stream in your modern podcast app, we have beer, bourbon and balderdash, Sir Wes of the balderdash. So enjoy that. And thank you all for tuning in. Thank you for supporting the show. Thank you for being here, trolls. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody.

3:03:30 I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I remain, I'm John C. D'Vorah. Remember us at noagendadonations.com. We'll see you on Sunday. Till then, adios mofos, ahoowee hoowee, and such. When he speaks, he makes you wonder He doesn't even know what he wants to say And we know he likes the girls a whole lot younger Biden's gonna lose to 45 There's nothing anyone can do Democrats won't survive

3:04:18 that crazy Who doesn't know what he's talking about? Hey, hey, hey, punk, son of a stupid piece of punk, I'm a mutt. I'm a mutt who doesn't know what he's talking about. Well, I'd like to punch him in the face. He's a national disaster. He's an embarrassment to this country. It makes me so angry that this country has gotten to this point, that this fool, this bozo has wound up where he has. It turns out he wants to punch people in the face.

3:05:04 Well, I'd like to punch him in the face. What people really should do is just never watch any news at all. Listen to us twice a week. Just listen to us once a week. You'll get all the news. You'll find out what's going on. Well, that's true. Okay, okay. From the midnight tweets to drinking bleach, Bobby to zero reading campaigns for Biden sounding like a leech, huh, we're so endlessly entertained. You're a joystick jiggler and legal drugs are becoming grain, that's not me, that's no way you ball, Harari. Evolution of tech from PS5, we were better off with Atari. Maybe Uncle Ted, he said it best in a manifesto, saying what he thought that we would manifest, bro. Once you introduce the tech,

3:05:47 Visionaries looking forward, never back, they wait a sec Tradeoffs in cultures that succeed and flourish Structure barter in a tight family is how you nourish Now you're adding the MKUltra Close the program down and change the project name But leave the psyop in the culture Stanford experiments at MIT Tavistock Institute in CAMH What do we see? Mental hospitals are the new jails Actually they had bigger numbers and were open first I mean to tell But there was a little piece of propaganda in there that I just- A little? I mean, you know, but when you speak about and point out negativity, they call you a grifter and call you a vulture. Now you see. It's Pride Month, John. Stay woke! United, they got dudes in dresses. They physically crunch and process all that gigabyte. And that means something. Police. What is queer care? Beautiful. From the Cheeto dust. Yum. Police.

3:06:47 No, no now it's like a disaster and that means something that windburn thing you'll never hear it again time to make fun Blame it on the black guy. They have to do this at 82 degrees Beautiful! Excessive heat warnings and dangerous heat wave. It's just sick. Yum! Bad reporting as usual. It's about the pronouns. These were just physicals. You care about pronouns. That's it! Stay woke! I would say it's more like sucking up, being a slime ball. These were just physicals.

3:07:27 Attention whore. Get off of carbon. And that means something. I think we should sell carbon offsets. Do you really know the difference between 92 and 100? Yum! LGBTQ plus health care equality high performer dressed and looks like a dude. Stay woke! Some people, their name, their pronouns, using those correctly. I got gigabytes going on. Physically crunched, John. It's a physically crunch. Queer care. They're clueless. They're suffering from heat warnings. Pictures of people at the beach.

3:08:05 to stop us from podcasting. It's about being misgendered. Doctor, tell us what this designation really means. Stay woke! It's just offensive. And he went by me so fast that the wind burned the hell out of me, doctor. All that gigabyte going on. And that means something. Get off of carb carbon! Decompose? Yum! The best podcast in the universe!