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00:00 Keep the guy on the line, we're putting a trace on And from Northern Silicon Valley where somebody's celebrating the fact that today is the day the Germans shut down their last two nukes. I'm John C. Dvorak. Well, I'm glad you brought that up! Uh...I happen to have a clip of this insanity. Unbelievable What is wrong with the Germans? Here it is front- Yes? Yeah, uh.. I am of the opinion now as this is being done on purpose to try and jack the Germans up

00:54 Well, they're gonna get jacked up. Did you know that this is also the same week that Finland finally opened up their 1.6 gigawatt nuclear reactor after 16 years? No I did not know that part of it. Yeah! I don't have a clip of that because why would we tell anybody about that?! No, I think it's like 30% of their energy is going to be covered by nuclear. But here's France 24. Nick talk to us a little bit about the history... Oh yeah! I left this in you can hear how phony baloney these reports are so there was guy standing i don't know if he's actually standing in front of the nuclear reactor being shut down he could just be he could have just pulled over by the side of the road and of course he knows exactly what question he's going to get from HQ

01:41 And then this hilarity happens. know what the script is like Monty tell me about their history I knew we're gonna talk about the history 61 with the opening of the first reactor and to the skepticism of energy supply 1960 by the way there's some weird noise in this thing that'll go away that was in there. It sounds like traffic noise now it's someone's phone I think they are their connection but did this their first reactor opened in 1961? Is that possible

02:33 Yeah, oh yeah sounds early. We're talking big game about all this stuff in the 50s mid-50s right really in 1961 with the opening of the first reactor and to the skepticism of energy supply companies And then it grew until in the 1990s there were some 17 nuclear reactors But this whole journey came through a lot of of

03:15 And then what really, really tipped the hand of government here was the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Under Angela Merkel's reign she decided in 2011... Which by the way we should just pause for a moment. Makes it sound like she did it! Not only that but the Fukushima nuclear disaster was not a nuclear disaster It was a tsunami that was the disaster And yes, there was an issue with cooling down the rods but no one fried. They've been back to Fukushima many times and you know there's lots of plant life and animals running around everybody is all happy and jacked up No one is dying over there

03:58 But you know, you forget that part. Oh the Fukushima nuclear disaster! Under Angela Merkel's reign she decided in 2011 that it was time to shut down all of Germany's nuclear plants by the 2030s however that whole schedule was advanced when this new coalition government came into power Germany is now in the past year only generating about 6% of its electricity from nuclear power. In the past three months it's been around 3%. Even if these nuclear plants are being shut down, the controversy will continue because you have to decommission these plants that takes 15 years and store tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste somewhere so there'll be a lot more discussion even though the era of nuclear energy in Germany is over

04:46 Unbelievable. So from the sounds of it, at least those old... These are the old plants. New plants of course are different technologies and much more efficient. No waste. They eat their own waste. But let's just look at this from the perspective of old plants so by from their calculation it would take 25 old plants to power the whole country perfectly because there is 2% per plant? Yeah So, yeah it's reasonable put 25 plants up here and there. It's a big country. Put them all in East Germany." Meanwhile they're just shutting down... East Germany! Meanwhile they're shutting down the industry because they can't afford it. It's so odd I mean the Germans have been under some kind of mind control

05:39 I'm not sure how that works. So, I mean...I am obviously because the mind control is so strong Tell me what's wrong logically with this very short little report here from ABC Last summer alone the US saw five flood events described as thousand-year floods from the Midwest to Texas and California A recent study warned floods are becoming more frequent and less seasonal due to climate change And our infrastructure is not keeping up I mean, if it's a thousand year flood then wouldn't you have one in 1,000 years? Not five. Is this weird logic on my part? No they're just throwing these terms out there because it sounds bad but what is this about the infrastructure we need to build more aqueducts or bigger reservoirs or what's the deal

06:26 Who are they referring to? Let me hear it again, I don't know. Last summer... The infrastructure is not keeping up with climate change! Let's listen to him. We saw five flood events described as thousand-year floods from the Midwest of Texas and California a recent study warned floods are becoming more frequent and less seasonal due to climate change in our infrastructure is not keeping up Well, I think that means solar Windmills, I guess. It can't mean solar! It has to mean reservoirs and aqueducts because it's talking about floods. But i don't think that's what he's really thinking about just saying just saying doesn't sound right you know but they're not using much of the well...I guess that's the Florida flood right?

07:11 But have you know yeah, I talked to Horowitz yesterday. Was he all is he all in on climate change now? Now that he was almost died from six more years only and on cooking shrimp It was a close call though for him my thing Yeah He says it got it within like a foot of his you know flooding the house but if the house never got flood with the backyard was kind of ruined and the boat was lifted out of the Out of his container there and dropped in the like almost dropped in the backyard And he's asked friends who have boats on top of their houses. You know kind of thing I weep for their $100,000 boats. I don't know those poor bastards in Florida They're damn boats feel so bad for but it's Tiki hut So did the Tiki Hut get washed away?

07:54 I didn't specifically ask, but it sounded like it got wrecked. No because a tiki hut is pretty cool that he has there. You know its a tiki hut how hard can it be to rebuild? Well he had some Hawaiian guys or some Maori's come and build it. They're probably still floating around building tiki huts Florida's needing more tiki huts! Literally they're floating around and thank you all for sending us your videos of fish swimming on the street It's not quite flopping You know, like oh here's a catfish swimming around my hangar. Yeah but the fish has to be flopping for it to be Al Gore's prediction you know they have to be flopping and it should be Miami there was a little mist to say Fort Lauderdale yeah any place else is not good

08:41 Well, I think we need to get into the incredible news of the week which i can summarize in 25 second clip at least how the US news media is handling this by listening This clip from the five on Fox News. I don't even know if these leaks are real, i don't know if they're half real half true that's true this information If it's all good? I don't even know! I don't even know if i'm allowed to read the leaks does fox news have a policy that we are we sure you can read them but if you actually if you this is kind of weird if you have a classified security clearance You are not allowed to be okay Even though they're on the front page in The New York Times Okay

09:30 So this clip kind of sums it all up. What we're not talking about is the incredible news that was in the leaks and one of those people on The Five clearly has clearance, and I think Dana Perino probably said well you know you can't read it if you have a clearance What kind of by the way, let's that goes we've talked about this before in the show. That is plain idiotic If you have clearance and they should address this and stop it because for one thing it's giving away This is like Spycraft It's giving away who the spies are Why I can't read it but you can Okay within that means you're a spooking and the other guys not

10:15 If it's been published in the New York Times on the front page... By rule, it should be released to the people who have clearance. They should be able now go see it same with WikiLeaks If I can read it and you can read it we're not spooks A spook should be able to read it to try and keep up with us Where's the logic here? I'm not getting it Okay...I do have a copy of the memorandum For senior Pentagon leadership commanders of the combatant commands Defense Agency and DoD field activity directors which very clearly states do not access documents with classified markings from unclassified websites as data may be classified It's so good now my sources are

11:10 tell me that the way this went down is actually plausible, which I find fantastic. But the fact that Bellingcat is involved in this just screams bull... not necessarily the information's bullcrap but this was meant to be released for a number of reasons. I'd have to agree So before we get into it should I just tell you some of the things that are actually in the information? Well, I think our clip let's do the clips first because you haven't in some because they think a lot of that will be In the clips at least the clips. I have from Amy Goodman I only have the bullcrap m5m stuff. I don't have anything of any value and they do let some

12:02 Hold on a second, can you repeat that again? I don't have anything of any value. There's no value because you only have M5M clips okay Of course but that's what we do but there's value in deconstructing what they're saying and there's value in what they're doing with this but not in the actual... What's in the actual documents That-that's what so crazy Well luckily uh Amy maybe we should go to her Hold on! Here we go. Warning, Amy Goodman clip inbound. Alright, alright. False alarm so let's start with Leaker from NPR. Leaker 1

12:42 President Biden says he's directed the military and intelligence communities to take steps to further secure sensitive information. That's after a massive leak of sensitive documents came to light on Friday, a 21 year old member of the Air National Guard named Jack Tashara appeared before a federal judge in Boston. He's facing charges that he leaked highly classified information that include details about Russian moves in Ukraine and the strength of the Ukrainian army Joining us now to talk about all of this is NPR's Pentagon correspondent, Tom Bowman. Good morning, Tom! Hey Miles! Can the intelligence community even take after a breach like this? Well, the first thing obviously is to restrict access to who sees this kind of information now There are at least several thousand people who have access To this classified information which came out of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon Wait a minute. Did he just say the first thing we need to do is restrict people who have access from reading it Is that what I heard him say

13:41 I thought yeah, and think it was stopping from reading or stop stopping them from accessing it Okay. All right, which is kind of the same but I don't think that's what he said. Hmm. Okay? Yeah No Let's go with number two. Okay numero oops Yes numero two Tell me a little bit more, Tom about why this leak matters more broadly. Well I'm told the big problem is with release of these kinds of documents these sensitive documents as it alerts your adversaries so the US is picking up electronic communications like phone calls or other information from the Russians

14:17 That will all quickly dry up because they can change phone numbers, radio frequencies do forensics on which information came from which command and which location. It makes it much harder to glean information from the Russians huge problem. Tom Bowman thank you so much Tom! You're welcome What was that report? Was that number two or three? They're out of order because you have this weird Exclamation mark. I'm sorry that was number three you titled them with exclamation marks and so it moved three above two Sorry, well still says three. Hey, I'm sorry Okay. Well that was the end of it but who I think is Just pretend you didn't hear that but now that I think about it wasn't that interesting number three So let's go to number 2 which I think is interesting okay all

15:14 Already, the Pentagon is removing people from this information. I was talking with some folks last night who lost that access and they have high-level jobs so that will continue but as far as how many people they're restricting we just don't know. And then there's this bigger question right of How did a 21-year old IT specialist working at an airbase in Cape Cod even get access to this highly classified information? That's what the investigation will determine and neither the Pentagon nor the Justice Department is really saying much at all right now. I spoke with a retired senior officer who did have access to this kind of intelligence. He speculates that Tashara likely gained access to something called the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System, or JWICS – Pentagon-like acronyms

16:00 That's a secure internet system that would contain all kinds of top-secret information. Now, that's how Chelsea Manning the former army soldier and whistleblower convicted back in 2013. That's how she was able to grab thousands of documents and release them now when that happened The Pentagon and other agencies put a lot of controls over who had access limiting them on a need-to-know basis. They created separate groups, also subgroups so let's say Miles you're an intelligence analyst or an officer working on Taiwan issues after that you would not be able to have access to anything related to Ukraine Or let's say you work the Ukraine issue maybe you could see some intel on Ukraine but not the more sensitive information such as what is being picked up on Russian communications

16:52 Wow, they didn't give us anything either did they? No. They're not gonna give you... We get a little bit from Amy which is coming up but let's go back over what they said which is the their concern is not I mean it they Chelsea banning thing happened we know that so they supposedly said oh geez this is no good let's fix things so now it was fixed and this guy in Airmen And by the way, people should if you don't know this an airman first class is the same as a private first class in the army. Very low level. It's like radar basically radar? Yeah right yeah from the mass show yeah so you have this guy having access to all this stuff and just it's so deep how much stuff he's got uh well looks like hold on we know from the past and this goes back

17:50 probably back to the manning years, that the systems within Defense Department and you know there's this is what like I think we have a clip they call it journeyman for some reason which basically he's a contractor or he's contracted out to do different things but when it comes to IT admin stuff one of our producers literally was the sysadmin for the drone systems and when that person she but when that person left She was told, just stick the admin password on a post-it note on the monitor. You remember that?

18:27 I do. And, you know and things were unencrypted especially the drone signals were unencrypted and that may have been fixed but that's the... Or not! But now that you have these contracting entities that come in so much changes because this is billions hundreds of billions of dollars we see it every single day in the defense email 400 million dollars, one bidder on the internet. I mean this is a website. This is the level that this stuff goes and they're careless! And we should mention that this contracting thing is completely out of control in the military where they're contracting out food services instead when you remember when I was a kid there's always joke about well you get in the army do you do KP? KP duty. Peel potatoes nobody peels potatoes now you get Burger King

19:19 Yeah, or whoever gets the contract. Whoever gets the airlines those horrible food stamps. Let me just run down a few... The BBC interestingly enough actually gave eight key takeaways of what the leaked Pentagon documents reveal I thought that was surprising The BBC. I'll just give you headlines UN boss to accommodating to Russia which is Antonio Guterres He was apparently too willing to accommodate Russian interests according to file. So now he is... That's not good for the UN Secretary General, it was not a good look for him Jordan feared Chinese retaliation over Huawei Did you even hear about that being in these documents? Nope No The thing is these documents are deep Yes

20:08 And I'm sure this little list that you have here is something no one's heard about because it was covering it But that says tip of the iceberg Russian in fighting over Ukraine dead and so we know that yeah, what's the real number? Western special forces operating inside Ukraine including The UK Latvia France the US and the Netherlands Well, that's called boots on the ground. Yep! U.S dims hopes for Ukraine offensive Egypt secretly planned to supply rockets to Russia Yeah South Korea torn on delivering weapons to Ukraine last night we kind of knew that

20:53 China conducted experimental weapons tests with a hypersonic glide vehicle. I mean these are kind of interesting things Well, that takes us to Amy. No I'm not going to play the warning. You don't have to play you already played it once all right so that's her report and this was i think on Friday was a lot of little tidbits and I'm gonna play one of them because I think is very interesting and then I want to play at interview she did with This guy Bamford who's a spy, he writes books about the spy agencies. Who is Bamford? We know this guy Bamford don't we? Yeah I can remember his first name. She introduces him

21:37 But let's play leaks, tidbits. I think this is interesting. The leak of the documents has also revealed how the United States spied on its own allies. One leaked Pentagon memo alleges that the Mossad—Israel's spy agency—had encouraged Israelis to take part in the massive protests against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's plan to gut the Israeli judiciary. So that was interesting. And by the way, I did a little research on this for previous show. This gutting the judiciary and the fact that the Mossad is turned against Netanyahu and they're working against him kind of like the way CIA did with Trump? Yep! No not kind of exactly if you look into this judiciary problem where 30% of the judiciary could determine anything they wanted in Israel it's

20:53 China conducted experimental weapons tests with a hypersonic glide vehicle. I mean these are kind of interesting things Well, that takes us to Amy. No I'm not going to play the warning. You don't have to play you already played it once all right so that's her report and this was i think on Friday was a lot of little tidbits and I'm gonna play one of them because I think is very interesting and then I want to play at interview she did with This guy Bamford who's a spy, he writes books about the spy agencies. Who is Bamford? We know this guy Bamford don't we? Yeah I can remember his first name. She introduces him

21:37 But let's play leaks, tidbits. I think this is interesting. The leak of the documents has also revealed how the United States spied on its own allies. One leaked Pentagon memo alleges that the Mossad—Israel's spy agency—had encouraged Israelis to take part in the massive protests against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's plan to gut the Israeli judiciary. So that was interesting. And by the way, I did a little research on this for previous show. This gutting the judiciary and the fact that the Mossad is turned against Netanyahu and they're working against him kind of like the way CIA did with Trump? Yep! No not kind of exactly if you look into this judiciary problem where 30% of the judiciary could determine anything they wanted in Israel it's

22:32 It's very much like the CIA against Trump. So what Netanyahu wants to do, he thinks it is a problem that the judiciary has so much power and they can pretty much just veto any law that the Knesset and he and everybody puts together, he doesn't like that. And I don't know if he's going to ever get that fixed but there is not trying to gut them what it is is the other thing which isn't I think more important is that the way things are now, to get a new member into the judiciary... The old judiciary people. Yeah they decide! They decide it's got to be one of their buddies so it's like as if the Supreme Court all of a sudden could

23:22 could say, oh you can't put him in with us we need another conservative. How would you like that situation to be like that? That's no good! Yeah in fact they say that democracy is over in Israel I didn't play all...I had a whole bunch of clips on this and all this demonstration was basically Black Lives Matter outraged leftists who are just causing a ruckus, making it look like the whole country was against Netanyahu. Yeah which is far from the truth this James Banford guy do you trust him? I like what he's got to say in these uh...I don't distrust him because he's basically just a journalist and author He has no...and he's a Berkeley alum

24:13 Yeah, well that's... That's not good. No, that's striking. Well I am too. Well hello! There you go now we know why he's your buddy okay let's go Okay lets go with the Part one, and this is not the clip that you'll get a kick out of one of these clips. So this part one many of the documents are based on information gathered by some of the most secret wings of the U.S. intelligence community including National Reconnaissance Office, the NRO National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, The State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, The Pentagon's DIA Defense Intelligence Agency And the national security agency, the NSA

24:53 We go now to Washington, D.C., where we're joined by James Bamford, longtime investigative journalist and author focused on the intelligence community. In 1982 he published The Puzzle Palace—the first book exposing the inner workings of the NSA, the National Security Agency. His latest book just out is called Spy Fail! Foreign Spies, Moles, Saboteurs and the Collapse of America's Counterintelligence. Jim, welcome back to Democracy Now! It's great to have you with us again. Why don't you just start off by, as you evaluate what has been released—this intelligence if it's real and it—by all accounts, it looks real of the U.S. spying on adversaries and allies? Talk about what is most significant and where these documents are from. Well, in terms of significance, I think the most significant outcome of this is

25:48 is a danger that we may lose actual human beings in Russia, because a lot of the documents indicate that we have collected information from the inner workings of the Russian government. The intelligence services and the military so there are people who may be giving us information and now these documents have come out it gives Russians an opportunity to To do a mole hunt the hunt for people who are giving that information away as a matter of fact officials told The New York Times and The Washington Post at the revelations might lead Russian mole hunters to the doorsteps of American spies in their ranks Mushin roll mole hunters. Hey, so that kind of explains the Wall Street Journal guy maybe Ivan Golanov

26:44 Yeah? Well, he's being detained in Russia as a spy. Oh right! Right, right, yeah. Mole hunt... Russian mole hunter I like that. Hunting for moles That sounds like a good reality show. Russian. That would be a great reality show We should talk to Burnett about it Okay, on to... Now clip two is more kind of a background or just the basic thing before we get to the good one. What they call sources and methods both human and technical that were released by the documents now strangely mostly Documents that are leaked appear in major news organizations New York Times Washington Post Wall Street Journal whatever

27:26 But they never appear on gaming platforms, so this is a first for that. It's hard to say why any of this stuff is appearing or why it's appearing on those platforms. Usually there are three reasons for spying—that was one of the reason I wrote Spy Field because spies out there that the US never ends up catching. And there's three main reasons, one is money obviously most spies want to sell secrets for money another is ideological they want to help a foreign government

28:03 They don't care much about money. And the third reason is basically the thrill or else a anger, so that could be the reason that these documents were released—the third reason, anger. Somebody was angry and they decided that they're just going to put these documents on whatever platform they happen to be using. So it's very hard to know. The key point is that the government keeps losing documents. Now for some reason I get a high like pachinic vibe from this whole thing. I'm not sure why maybe it's just because he write book writes books and stuff, I don't know Maybe I mean you should you go with your gut

28:47 But I want you to listen to this last clip from this guy, which is the wow clip. And I want you tell me if you've heard of any of this because you brought up something earlier with one of your clips that came out at the beginning and said John never heard of that, never knew that we're starting things are in this things are revealing but he just talks about stuff that he's been discovering over time And I'd like to know why we don't know any of this. The government keeps losing documents a few years ago, just few years ago the NSA lost upwards half-a-billion documents

29:32 employees just walking out the door with these documents. They lost three-quarters of cyber weapons, the United States' cyber weapons—the NSA lost three quarters of them. Somebody stole them and put them up on auction. The North Koreans ended up getting the cyber weapons and so did the Russians, and they turned them on to the United States. There is a complete lack of accountability when it comes to classified information, top secret documents and so forth. It just walks out the door and nobody ever gets fired. Is he confusing it with Vault 9 which was the CIA tools? I don't think so! He's talking about NSA tools. Wait... So they don't share their tools?!

30:21 There's no tool sharing going on. What do you think? Probably not! Okay, so part of this... And those were just freely available. He is talking about stuff that was stolen and then auctioned to the North Koreans on the dark web. He should have said and they paid for it in Bitcoin that would have completed it. That'd been interesting. It probably did actually but the point is I didn't know this No, this I had not heard either but it sounds a bit like Vault 9. But Vault 9 wasn't auctioned! That's true... that's true So here is what i get from this A bit of QAnon bait? You know? A lot of this may be true Most all of it maybe true

31:13 But it just seems like... Why is this on? Why are we only hearing about this now, why do we all you know your point is valid. Why are we only hearing about these tools that walked out the door now? Why didn't we hear this before? Why is this guy telling me- Well they were in his book so the book has been out so- How come we didn't hear about when the book came out? And why did we not hear about it then? Because who's gonna cover it, nobody. They're all read in they can't look at this stuff I think the media is so read-in and so... Oh yeah five by five

31:51 All the way, they all have clearance. Yeah and because of this stupid rule that if you have clearance you can't look at this stuff... That's why Dana Perino said it! She said that not for anyone watching Fox News no she said it for her colleagues Hey boys and girls Just to remind them So let's listen to M5M maybe we can pick up some things A lot of this feels very set up. Again, somehow I get this QAnon vibe whenever I hear Discord and then Bellingcat and 4chan... No, Bellingcat! Let's stop. It was you and Bellingcat. Anytime you hear Bellingcat that is the red flag for you majorly. Yes it is yes. Bellingcat is a bull crap organization when they're involved in NBC's quoting them

32:49 You know, like oh yeah. All right so here's ABC this is Martha Raddatz. He sat on his parents back deck a news helicopter hovering overhead... Okay so right there why did the news helicopter know right away to be there? They were they were they were clued in but this is a true FBI FBI in armored vehicles with flak jackets, with camo gear. The flak jackets and the camo and the troop carrier come on! Oh by the way so I mentioned in a newsletter that there was one female FBI agent Yeah no helmet With no helmet And somebody wrote me an email One of our producers sent a note into this She said or he said That

33:40 It was probably done on purpose to make it clear to everyone that they had enough diversity that they would have a female there and they had to make it clear. Yes, yeah exactly good point! So she can't wear the helmet because you wouldn't know? Oh man... That would be- which makes it even more of a charade Yeah so when you have the news helicopter and they don't have the guy in custody They're still getting him. That's a setup. Yeah, obviously. They told the news media we're gonna go get him! He sat on his parents' back deck a news helicopter hovering overhead as an FBI SWAT team in full tactical gear approached this is the moment they arrested the young man authorities believe may be responsible for the massive leak of top secret information Stop it again

34:28 Is there... do they do due diligence on these things? Because it seems to me that there was no way that a SWAT team was necessary. Unless they don't know anything! If they're completely idiots, and they don't know who this guy is or anything about him. They've done no work whatsoever! They think it's the... I don't know what they're expecting from this family with a kid 21 year old airman first class that they would come in with full force SWAT team unless they don't know what they're doing or so i don't believe that no it's just a false setup this is television magic and authorities believe may be responsible for the massive leak of top secret information that has rattled america and our allies around the world 21 year old jack tushara with his hands on

35:20 get the age right that's 20, 21 and no one has the age of a consistent. 21 year old Jack Teixeira with his hands on his head walking out of his family home in North Dighton Massachusetts agents ordered him to turn around and slowly he backs towards them He is seized taken into custody and led to an SUV Stop again He's not led to an SUV. He's led to a troop carrier and he sits on the back of it now first of all I love how you're doing my clips, i love this keep adding but go on thank you Cara so um

36:02 He comes out, his hands on his head and walking to him. They tell him to turn around and walk backwards. Why? Well because you know he might have a ninja throwing star! Well if he does it might be in the front! Well yeah... It's like he could whip it out! I don't- He's not gonna carry the bag necessarily but what is the point of what just What is the point that he's coming at come on he's got his hands behind his back he's walking toward them Now turn around and walk backwards. What is the point? I'm asking, is there a law enforcement people out there what is the point of this stupidity he could trip over a rock walking backwards you can't see where's going it's stupid and if he trips over a rock and falls on his ass do they shoot him? Why didn't they rush him

36:50 Yeah, and why didn't they rush? Well that's a good point. They're SWAT! If they should have done this with Trump that would have been great Make him turn backwards walk backwards into the courthouse Today the Justice Department arrested Jack Douglas DeShera in connection with an investigation into alleged- And I'm amazed everyone knew how to pronounce his name I look at that name like Texas what so what did you got you yeah There was a kid in my when I was in grammar school named DeShera Jack Douglas deShera in connection with an investigation into alleged unauthorized removal, retention and transmission of classified national defense information. To Cheryl was a low-ranking enlisted airman, IT specialist for the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard at Otis Air Force Base in Cape Cod ever since the story of the massive leak exploded into the headlines that

37:40 Pentagon and FBI have been on the hunt for the culprit. Was it a spy? Was it a rogue foreign power then overnight, a blockbuster report in The Washington Post describing the man behind the leak not as an international criminal mastermind but is a young man trying to impress a small group of other young men and teenagers in a 25 person invitation only chat group online gaming forum discord So they don't even really know what Discord is. And that's kind of fun, you know? You have Discord servers, you have Discord itself... They immediately say it's associated with a game. Well yeah it is but not necessarily lots people love discord servers This guy also sounds to me not like a sysadmin he sounds more like the guy who fixes your laptop

38:33 You know what I mean? So maybe there was a laptop open, hey you know i can't fix something. I can't print typical oh i'll print for you. I can't listen that's the printer won't work this too. I know from my dude's name Ben there's the two top uh IT specialist demands one uh my password doesn't work which is typically because the caps lock is on and the other is I can't print So someone's over there, I can't print. Oh would you look at this? No i'll print it for you don't worry because it was printed out and then folded up he did not exfiltrate it with a USB drive or anything He printed it which should be pretty easy as you have told us for years that all printers have markings on them

39:23 So you can find out exactly which printer printed out a document, correct? Yep. They put their little light yellow codes that you can't see with the naked eye So that would all printers happens as it was the idea was and it's not well known, but it's a fact Because it is to prevent counter as to catch counterfeiters that use ink jets and laser printers No We continue the post talking to one of those teens appearing in shadow with his mother's permission for this I love so this guy This team this teen who? Guess was under 18

40:06 And OG, as they called him was his best friend. Now you... this is all too stupid. This is actually insulting to our intelligence but you know, we cover this." The Post talking to one of those teens appearing in shadow with his mother's permission he described the person who he said posted all those classified documents. "...he was a young charismatic man who loved nature God...who loved shooting guns and racing cars..." Isn't this the clip you played last show? I think so. No? Yeah, you played this clip... no i'm not talking about the clip you're playing now, i'm talking about this kid. You played a sub-clip! This is different by the way people are questioning your printer story saying that sounds like some Steve Pachenik bullcrap we're not talking about the quantum watermarks okay just explain how you know this from a printer maker

41:06 Yeah. I was told about this probably in the late 80s. Here's the problem... The laser printers in particular were getting so good that you could print a $100 bill, or $20 bill. It's mostly 20s people started printing these things on these early laser printers and so something had to be done to track them down and so they developed this idea of printing these very light serial... essentially it's a serial number of dots, very super light yellow dots that can be detected if you put them under a microscope. You can find them just run a couple blank sheets of paper through your printer and you'll see these little... They don't necessarily appear on a blank sheet. You have to print something out because otherwise the head's just gonna stay there but it's on inkjets and I'm pretty sure it's on inkejets but it's on inkjets and lasers. I stand with you on this one

42:04 It makes sense. Of course it does! Why wouldn't you do this? Alright, onward... Who loved shooting guns and- I love the bringing some white Christian stuff with this is always good And racing cars He did have sort of a bossy attitude at some points but it was more of a fatherly bossy he did see himself as the leader of this group and ultimately he was leader of this group This kid's..I mean does that sound like your typical 17 year old or 16 year old Or is this someone talking about him? I'm unsure. The teen said that starting last fall... No, the teen. She said this kid that's talking is a supposedly 17-18 year old That doesn't sound like to me Do you think he sounds more mature? Sounds more matured and he not talking You think it was a plant Yes! Where is the... Have you heard 16 and 17 year olds talk like He was kind of like the leader of the group Like he was OG I simp with him This is not that guy But it was more of father than boss

43:03 He did see himself as the leader of this group and ultimately he was the leader of this group. The teen said that starting last fall, the man who he called OG posted hundreds of pages of classified documents to impress his friends in the group. The documents were often listed as Ukraine versus Russia at first however it slowly spiraled into just intelligence about everything How did that feel? To know things before the rest of the world knew them It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest. It felt like I was above everyone else to some degree. Hold on, stop! So you... your theory that this is a plant because he's obscured because his mom wouldn't let him talk. Yeah but his mom let him talk so we don't know who it is Hey how come he doesn't have one of those voice changers?

43:53 Well, he definitely needs one. He sounds like he's in his 20s or 30s and so it doesn't make sense what he is saying that you know okay I'm a 17 year old and I am getting I mean discord chat room talking about some games or doing deconstructions of different strategies so we can have something to do with who knows what all the sudden you get bunch classified top-secret documents about the relationship of Poland to Lithuania, and the Jewish Mossad stuff. And now you feel like you're on top of the world? Mount Everest! Really?! Even if I saw that stuff...I wouldn't feel that way. Where's this Mount Everest coming from? Hello 1980 was all like they're like I was on top of Mount Everest

44:48 Today we'd say something else help me out trolls. I don't know you might be right about that That's a good catch just doesn't fat and doesn't sound right yeah, you wouldn't be saying stuff that You know here welcome to the 70s. You know okay? It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest it felt like I was above everyone else to some degree in that um I would be able to brag to some people that, I knew stuff that they didn't. But in the months that followed, The documents were shared well beyond That small chat group The post reporter also viewed video of the man identified as OG Standing at a shooting range with a rifle Yelling racial and anti-semitic slurs Before firing his weapon Alright Let's throw that in

45:36 Hey you black Jew! I hate you. And why don't we have this video? This is dynamite stuff, we need this video We got the kid Yeah yeah i'm still waiting for the manifesto from the shooter. We're not seeing that either Standing at a shooting range with the rifle, yelling racial and anti-semitic slurs before firing his weapon at a target. But when the story of the leaks mushroomed into an international crisis... Mushroomed! The teen said OG became alarmed He says OG said goodbye to the group just a few days ago. He was just saying that this may be the last he ever sees us And he was thanking us for all the good times we had together

46:19 and hoping that everything would blow over. What, is he gonna kill himself? Is he gonna blow himself up?! So do they have copies of these this transcript if I'm saying that we have not seen that we have not seen huh? You think it'd be easy to get This is a dynamite report by the way. I think what ABC has gone above and beyond to give us great content Thank you, Martha. Thank you Martha Martha as you noted there Jack Tashira Is a very low-ranking member of the armed services raising even more questions or question why he had such access To top secret information You know, Whit he may not even have been approved to see what he allegedly copied. We just don't know that yet but he was an IT specialist meaning he may have worked on computers that had classified information. Yeah, he worked on computers that had and I think that sounds like the perfect honeypot

47:12 And yeah, there's plenty of thinking out there that this need—maybe not all of this but some of this needed to come out. Some it needs to be talked about because of the obvious poor situation in Ukraine and we need to back out of that and you know we can start preparing people for the fact that this is going to be another Afghanistan debacle is no good. Here's a final clip from this series Hey Martha, we know it's early in the investigation but what are you learning about whether the Pentagon will reassess who can see these kinds of classified documents in the future? Well, already today the Secretary of Defense has ordered a review of who gets access to top secret documents and how that information is handled and contained. Wow! You'd think they would have done that as you pointed out. Maybe Chelsea Manning might have been the time to do that? Or... No no this smells. Let's go to NBC let's see what they have over there New information tonight about the Chinese spy balloon shot down earlier this year

48:12 The details coming from the classified documents allegedly leaked by 21 year old National Guard Airman Jack Teixeira. I hadn't heard about this! There's balloon information that he's leaked now? Now it's becoming more obvious as something is amiss Because it does this like we've dug ourselves into a bunch of different holes that we can't seem to get ourselves out of mm-hmm So let's leak our own information so it so we can always go well, you know Yeah It sounds like that from the front from the you know what your with the public facing That doesn't look good. But but yes, you can tell back here and back in the back

48:52 We've already determined that this and that and the other thing so it's just it looks like a cover your ass situation That's very I mean, this is our these all seem to be cover your ass. I mean okay Yeah sure we got and also burn if you bridges that you might want to burn yeah Let's see let's burn the UN guy He's told us burn them Assad or not Or whatever that's all about, we don't know for sure. Good point! Yeah, yeah there is some burning here... But let's burn this stupid Ukraine war that we're going broke sending stuff over because we got to start concentrating on China. How about this? How about a consolidation of intelligence power? Because what you're not hearing here is CIA is not getting burned

49:37 No, that's an interesting theory too. I think well there could be that could be involved That could be part of it all right Let's go the wall is a cover your ass moment Oh Yeah reports that Chinese spy balloon carried sensors and antennas And that the US knew of up to four additional Chinese spy balloons The paper also reporting on Taiwan's vulnerability to a Chinese attack, citing a Pentagon assessment that China would quickly gain air superiority if it invaded Taiwan. There are also new insights tonight into why the U.S government didn't know for months that state secrets had been posted online. At issue the limits on what kind of checks are done on the 1.3 million Americans with top secret security clearance

50:19 Critics say the government now can't keep track of all the people with access to sensitive information Okay, alright. This is now this turning into something good because I have a feeling That all these exactly what you said all these things were hearing they're not even in the documents We haven't seen always seen as some maps of Ukraine a couple we haven't seen any of this Where is it? Where are these documents where are these hundreds of documents? Where are they? Where are they and I mean, if they were on Discord they've been copied. They've been distributed everywhere where are how come I have why don't I have a copy? No you probably should so i'm thinking another thing here and this was...I think this is brought up with some other situation we had when these were first released at least started to get released the good ones months ago so they're getting released and then the guys who are doing the planning for this whole scam just saying okay we got these release we got that releases guy's printing it

51:18 Let's see wait until the news media catches it. A week goes by or maybe it's just bullcrap? No, let me finish okay so that week goes by nobody picks up on it another week goes by nobody picks up on it another week goes by nobody picks up on it Nobody's picking up on what's going on They freak out and this is all you know This should have started a month ago because it's costing us money with the stuff we're sending to Ukraine I think this whole thing had to be blown out by the intel people themselves because the news media was so lax that they couldn't catch this thing going on. Don't you think? Possible, when you say planning department i just visualize these guys with Gantt charts on the wall... Planning Department yeah! Leaking Planning Department but let's see there's more NBC here He is just a latest 20-something accused of leaking There's a lot about twenty something

52:14 I'm hearing a lot about 20-somethings, young people. 20-somethings! Low level! There's lots of memes going on here from the mainstream. He is just the latest 20 something accused of leaking top secret information. Jack Tashara's job as... Wait! I know we're never gonna get through these clips. I enjoy this so much, but wait! But wait... He's the latest? Yeah exactly! 20-something who are the other ones that have been leaking top secret documents?! There you go! I must've missed something he's the... I don't remember this! Troll Room what other twenty something were involved in this

52:56 Back it up and listen to that little diddy again. He's just the latest 20-something accused of leaking top secret information I mean reality winner maybe but she was she's now 50, that was so long ago That is not right Snowden wasn't twenty something well maybe he was No i don't think so I think it was in the early 30s But thats 10 years ago And thats ten years ago its not the latest So its not the latest It's a re-emergence you could say, maybe. But I don't think that Snowden... it applies to Snowden. Definitely doesn't apply to Assange the guy is 90. Poor poor. Aaron Swartz, yeah I guess you could say that but how about this? 20 somethings are problem we got do something with them Jack Teixeira job as a cyber transport systems journeyman Cyber transport systems journeymen

53:53 That means he took out the removable hard disks. Cyber transport... That's a cyber transfer and then you put in new disk in there. Cyber transport, but Journeyman isn't Journeyman someone who was hired gun for something? No, a journeyman is means of a guy who is adept and is highly qualified for us for a layer of jobs. He's the journeyman. He knows what he's doing. Now historically speaking, a trained worker who was employed by someone else Okay, but in the labor force it's a guy who knows what he is doing. He is a journeyman as opposed to a beginner or new guy or whatever. Well okay well he says cyber transport this is new cyber transport Jack does a removable hard disk job as a Cyber Transport Systems Journeymen and IT worker with no transport systems that means you worked on cars trucks cars and trucks yeah

54:59 He was a good guy when it came to automatic transmissions. I guarantee you there's men and women in our armed forces who are rolling their eyes at us right now, already writing emails and i can't wait to read them Back to Shera's job as a cyber transport systems journeyman An IT worker with access to secret systems required that he was at least 17 hold a driver's license and undergo 18 months of training That sounds good enough for Securist Go for it. Sounds good! That's the way to keep our secrets, give it to 17 year olds. Four-star general Barry McCaffrey No question he shouldn't have had even a remote access that kind of information nor should the Air National Guard I mean at the end of the day its compromise But veteran intelligence experts say 1.3 million Americans have access to top secret information from military Now

55:54 It is my understanding that there's more like 3 million Americans. Here they come again with 1.3 million... I was thinking 10! Could even be that, well the classification, I don't know if it's top secret but we always heard it was about three million top-secret people who have a top secret clearance And NBC keeps throwing out this 1.3 million, but they can't keep track of them. Top secret information from military and government workers to outside contractors and the military has always relied on 20-somethings. There it is again! Twenty something's so this is a hit job on the military too

56:33 You stupid military, you can't rely on 20-somethings. It's the very youngest members of the service that have the skill sets and talents in cyber and IT... Ahhhh! There it is because only the twenty somethings can understand discord To become administrators of their systems Need to know is based on patriotism trust and threat of prosecution That you'll never disclose national secrets for the rest of your life or face possible prison time need to know and patriotism. I didn't, can you measure patriotism? That's interesting... And you know do i have no CBS clips just again tells me that some of this is CIA, you know CIA throwing the bill at us. This could be a massive op! It could be CIA versus DIA

57:22 Well, I don't think that that battle needs to be done in this manner. Which is fine! But this is some sort of an...I mean if it's some sort of...if it's some sort of an op which looks like more and more as we deconstruct We have to figure out why? And I'm going to stick with my theory which is a cover your ass situation They're gonna burn a few people So what?! We gotta stop this Ukraine war, we've got to deal with this and we gotta deal with that. We gotta let it be known that... ...We knew about this all along! The Chinese balloon was no surprise! And all the other bullcrap they can't seem to explain." Alright back to NBC. "...He's just a latest 20-something accused of leaking top secret information 23 year old Chelsea Manning provided 700 thousand documents to WikiLeaks..." 23. There it is here's your 23 so these are all dumb shits

58:14 Can't believe... They're not dumb shits, they're untrustworthy. 29 year old Edward Snowden fled to Russia after the school's- There it is! Now we understand it's the 29 year olds that the military employs. The military It's partly his job on DIA. Back to now, Hallie Johnson. Now we get into a couple other issues because the big thing on Twitter etc is this is to hurry along the restrict act and We kind of had that initial thinking as well because they were talking about oh it's on social media social media But now it's no longer on social media now It's

59:11 the focus on discord and private chats. NBC News is learning tonight that Intel agencies are looking to change how they monitor chat rooms and social media online according to multiple sources familiar with this after that huge leak of sensitive Pentagon documents on Discord. Apparently, they're looking to expand now how many kinds of sites like this they watch after all of that classified information was exposed it was mostly related to the war in Ukraine The Pentagon really showing it does not want a repeat at all of these super sensitive documents just hanging out for maybe weeks without Just hanging out. What is that? What is that Hallie Jackson? Hanging out! She does that every so often with her presentation she does that little high voice kind of borderline squeal Like limited hanging out

1:00:03 The Pentagon really showing it does not want a repeat at all of these super sensitive documents just hanging out for maybe weeks without anybody noticing. NBC's Dan DeLuce is joining us now so... They have this Discord chat sound going on in the background which is I think meant to you know to aggravate your nervous system for some reason is really bad. You are among the team reporting on this you, Carol Lee others what are the changes these intel agencies want to make here like is it getting more staff looking at places like Discord other corners of the internet etc? Corners of the Internet like those damn podcasts

1:00:40 Yes it is and of course there's no guarantee. It's still really difficult right? Right! And the problem is... What's really difficult, right?! What is so difficult, right!? You guys own the wires you can look at anything you want you've got room 204 whatever was if you copy the internet In Utah, how difficult is it right? Yes it is and of course there's no guarantee. It's still really difficult right and the problem is these documents appeared in a pretty obscure corner of the internet What is this corner?! Is it square?? It's a big square and there's the corner We're in we're in the corner of the internet. The problem is these documents appeared in a pretty obscure Corner of the Internet and discord this social app where they first appeared in

1:01:30 is known by cyber experts as a place where you can kind of move illicit data, that it's a place where sometimes criminals put out malware or stolen data. So some critics are saying the US should have been a little more vigilant on the other hand we can't watch everything so they're trying to expand the number sites they'll look at there also looking at restricting how many people get access to some others classified information and try to reduce the risk restrict how many people get access to reduce the risk. I think you're right, at this point it's just a thing? It's just the Discord server and the 20-somethings and you can say whatever you want well we all know that information was leaked out by the twenty something on the discord in corner of the internet You could just say it! We have no proof what they are saying No proof...I've seen 5 or 6 images of maps

1:02:31 that are folded. What have you seen? Have you seen more than that? Yeah, there's a lot more than I've seen. What have you seen? There is just a bunch of documents. There is just a variety of memos and other crazy stuff. It's just...there's a lot of stuff. Most of it is... I haven't seen much of that. Let me send some to ya'. Don't. Whatever you do, don't. What about privacy laws? Because I know you can't look at it. Really really are going to out me like that? What about privacy laws and how that plays apart in this because that's a factor here too Absolutely This is good now they're talking about privacy laws

1:03:07 This is really interesting. Factor here too! Absolutely and it's complicated, it's not so easy you cannot burst into a private chat room without probable cause. Oh yeah this is good this is why they had to employ Bellingcat to get around the possibility that anyone says hey wait a minute what are you guys doing in our private chat? You can't do that Wait, I'm gonna stop you there. Why? Why can't they do that? You can't spy on Americans! You're not spying on anybody, you're just going in and checking it's a chat room it's on the internet It's like there is no... A corner of the Internet. I don't care if its a corner or if it's triangle There is a uh.. what does that word they use? There's no expectation of privacy. Its the internet

1:04:01 Which is for porn! Absolutely, and it's complicated. It's not so easy you cannot burst into a private chat room... Hey bullcrap! ...without probable cause no matter what government agency Bull crap! It's bull crap. Wait stop I got another thought on this They're saying this because that's what a honeypot operation would do Right You'd say something like this which is bull crap because there's no expectation of privacy on the internet period So you'd say something like what he just said, well if you're in our private chat the IRC maybe would be in their crazy room there and we can't do anything without a warrant. That's bullcrap! He is lying to suckers stupid people. There ya go. Without probable cause no matter what government agency you are so just like after 9-11 there going to be this balance here where they try to be vigilant try to prevent this Oh okay

1:04:59 This gives a little bit of credence to the Restrict Act, also known as Patriot 2.0 Just like after 9-11 and we had there you know I did we had to have a balance there We had ever been oh There may be some credence to that. I'm kind of liking that idea now enough. so far, right? You don't have... If you have a whistleblower they want to take their information to a media outlet for example. They want it broadcasted publicly. So why would- Yeah because the media outlets will immediately broadcast it publicly! No!

1:05:51 No! That's not true. You can't even look at it because you have clearance If you have a whistleblower, they want to take their information to a media outlet for example They wanna broadcast it publicly So why would a whistleblower go to a private chatroom where really small group of people see it? Right And if your spy and you wanna pass it to foreign government Why would you go to the chatroom when you don't know everyone in the room so its very odd case All that stuff that guy said is weird That was really weird. It's all bullcrap! Yeah... It's all part of the honeypot scheme Okay, so let's break this down. How did how did this work? What what is the what is happening here? What does the what do we think is the point? What is the official no agenda stance on this I don't think we can have a unified stance on this but I have my thesis which Is that this is a cover your ass moment You're trying to make up for all us mainly for you mainly for Ukraine and mainly for Ukraine But also the balloon let's throw it out ever else We can throw in there to you know makeup for lost time mm-hmm and and then let

1:06:55 And then we burn a few people. Yeah, but you burn a few people and you may be burning people who want to burn that's possible too You know the guys in Russia perhaps if there is anybody they could have all been done as you listen this Bamford guy He also mentions is the possibility exists it was all just the signals guy that picked up all his information There was no Hugh Mint type guys over in Russia giving us anything so in the I think this is the New York Times. Photographs of some of the documents first appeared on Discord app channels focused on the Minecraft computer game, which is... Is that all 20? Isn't it like 12 year olds? Is that still a thing?! Yeah yeah, it's huge and followers of a minor YouTube celebrity known as WowMow

1:07:44 according to Bellingcat and other online experts. Thanks, Bellingcat! The photographed documents then eventually made their way to the image board 4chan then pro-Russian telegram channels and Twitter. The New York Times first reported on the documents last week A former official said, quote, watching a public chat room is fair game. But law enforcement agencies don't have the legal authority to monitor a private online chat room without probable cause. This is calling for legislation." That by the way is bullcrap what they just said this reminds me I'm going to remind people of this- Hold on! I want you to remind us but I just want to say it's bull crap but they want some kind of legislation by saying that

1:08:34 Could be. They definitely would, of course. That's restrict act probably Well, the restrict that's really bad. Yeah So I'm remind I want to remind people that in TV dramas yeah And they've been doing this and they keep doing it and we all should know that is bullcrap Where the guy gets hold of keep the guy on the line? We're putting a trace on the call My absolute favorite bull crap bit that said there's still using that scam Oh It was only 27 so we couldn't oh he hung up we couldn't complete the trace Really? You watch those shows, they still doing that? They're still pulling that. It's bullcrap because in todays world it's modern switches they give you the number immediately. Someone gave this kid this information

1:09:27 I get the sense that someone did too and they goaded him. Yeah, and with all... Because he looks like if you've seen a picture of him not with his little mustache and beard but have you seen this photo? He looks like a wimpy punk He looks like he's 12. Yeah, yeah and he looks so naive it's not even funny And it's like no no something was something more Somethings up there. He's gonna get off on a technicality or something you get discharged No, no throw this throw the book at this kid well that reminds me Let's listen to some right-wing talkers in Tampa Florida

1:10:05 This is the Mike and Mark show. Mike and Mark show everybody! How you doing in the afternoon? Hero, scoundrel or somewhere in the middle goat? Scoundrel I mean he's a criminal and everybody knows he's a criminal He's a 21 year old criminal who has put lives in jeopardy Has embarrassed the United States I hope he rots in jail but yet that's not... Wow these guys they can't look at the documents Trust me. Are they big? Mike Gallagher is fairly famous as a talk show guy and Mark Miller, I can't remember his last name but they do it. This is like you know this the typical local yokels and in this case they're doing combo show in the morning. I'm sure some morning shows can be afternoon. Morning Show in Tampa. No because we have that other fine product in the afternoon what used to be Limbaugh what's now?

1:11:15 The old Bongino? No, no, no. The two guys... Bongino took Limbo's spot! No, those two guys took over! Well at least locally Bongino took the spot. What are these guys named? Buck, Buck Sexton. Oh, Buck and Buck and Buck? Buck and Duck. It's ex-CIA! Come on! Yeah that's true actually. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton They took over the actual slot I think the initial name was shows that two spooks. Was that right? Am i wrong about that? Two Spooks, One Cup But not on this one and I'm just wondering there's a phenomenon called...I call it contrarianism

1:11:59 Everybody's got to be a contrarian. Everybody's gotta go the opposite way, which is exactly what you're doing gonna be a contrarian everybody's gotta Go the opposite way we are so cynical of the government and we should be by the way We should be I don't believe a lot of what they're telling us I don't isn't it It is peculiar that The New York Times with this was at this kid's doorstep before the fed showed up It is peculiar they had news camera crews hovering overhead and they managed to tell Oh, wait a minute. They're doing my material here! What is this? Stop stop stop stop stop! ...overhead and they managed to tap... Isn't that something the stunning video they captured the arrest Wait so the whole it stinks too high heaven there's no question about it But that doesn't change That we don't want to leak classified information That puts our troops and our people in harms way Two spooks one honeypot Is the uh

1:12:52 Two spooks was the name of the show. That'd be good. So that's what you're gonna hear from some of these guys? We need this... Classified! Okay?! I forgot all about Whoopi. Is that Whoopi? Yeah, yeah we have it- You have this. Remember this? I'll play this- Classified! I'm gonna play that end of show. Oh hold on I've got to play that end of show. That's too good. Classified! Haven't played that in a long time, nut job." She can do that again she should pull out that classified! When did that happen even? Like that classifier was a long time ago So yeah so i think we have something yes the Ukraine stuff was planted We had to get that out because it's not going well

1:13:48 We need to get some real information out there so we can start kind of soft peddling and talking about it. Ukraine's not even in the news anymore, no one cares it's all China, China and Trump. And then yeah I think you're right then it's just like oh man what an opportunity let's just throw everything out there that we can! Let's burn some people, lets burn them...I like the burning of people that's great That really fits well. Then we have this story which kind of comes In an odd way, you know talking about restrict act. This is a great little side story here.

1:14:35 If signed by the governor, it would take effect in January. TikTok has suggested it will take legal action. The Biden administration has threatened a nationwide ban demanding TikTok's Chinese owners sell the company because of concerns China could access users' personal data." And in this Montana bill they even say well if the company sells to US companies then it'll be okay And I'm very curious how they want to do this. So, they have to go to Apple and Google and they have to say Apple and Google you cannot have your users in...I mean is it people who are residents in Montana or only if you're in the geographic location of Montana? I've no idea. That kind of starts by know you have no idea but let's just think about it. How would that be enforceable? That really starts off with, oh we banned this book in Montana!

1:15:31 Amazon? Make sure no one can download it. I mean, and can you really enforce that? I think it's unenforceable. I would agree. It's like a dead letter law right from the get-go What's a dead letter law? It means a lot that's on the books, but nobody has ever enforced it There's tons of them there's like kissing laws here and there in certain...from 1800s and they're on the books you can't kiss public in some town but no Yeah That might be in Fredericksburg, I'll have to check. There's tons of laws against kissing in public that are on the books! Wow and we're worried about LGBTQ. We should look at some of these laws... wow hmm Just on TikTok briefly as it was reading a I was reading an article from the Dutch press so there was the Dutch you know the government press NOS

1:16:35 And it's, you know, it's the tourist season. Actually, it's a little early but April-May if you get the weather is beautiful in Amsterdam and beautiful in The Netherlands in general It's really...it's just small window. It's like a car wash. So tulips crop right? Tulips and everything. Yeah dynamite I've been there during that time of year and the tulips are everywhere Yes, beautiful! I went to the Tulip Festival. The Floriada I guess. Yeah, that's what it is. Floriada. So now there's a phenomenon taking place that people... There will be an hour-long wait, a queue in front of a french fry stand because it went viral on TikTok

1:17:16 And people get in the line, and it completely is self-perpetuating. Of course like hey I want to get some french fries where should we go? Oh let's look on TikTok as we know this is Google's big problem this is one of the reason for trying to get rid of them because Google and meta platforms they're all losing big advertising money We have nothing but example after example of people in the advertising business or departments within their companies are saying oh yeah we're allocating all our money to TikTok And so they search for it on TikTok, they see a cool video and then oh cool we're gonna go there. And then he goes there and says Oh look at that line! They Tiktok that on the line right? And they don't want to leave because there's people behind them in line and you don't want to go home as and people say hey you were in Holland did you go to that French fry stand? No you didn't go to the one on TikTok what kind of doofus are you?!

1:18:12 You know, look French fry stands don't really have a lot of marketing department tradition and it's creating big problems. It's creating problems for other retailers in the same neighborhood these are on the little streets in Amsterdam and there is just an hour long queue for a french fry so this TikTok thing there Algo which we've discussed Is very very popular and a big problem for people who do not like it I think it's great. And by the way, let's just talk briefly...I don't want to talk about Dylan Mulvaney but we should talk about influencers and influence campaigns

1:18:51 And this is exactly what I said this was. This was no spokesmodel, this was not a big you know, Dilla Mulvaney is the... we're hiring him as to be the face of our product No none of that! This is the influencer departments which is very cheap way and they use these influencers Where's Mulvaney? Mulvaney on TikTok Okay, TikTok. So TikTok is where all the marketing is going and you've got all these... Remember when I had Think New Ideas? I would have the biggest company... Reebok was a great example. Reebok we built their website planetreebok.com also built Anheuser-Busch and Budweiser.com budlight.com but they were little more... They didn't say the following which Reebok did

1:19:39 Yeah, we'd like you to build our website and we'd like to have some reporting. We would like the Human Rights Now Foundation information in there and our sports stars... Then we have Shaq so I would like a chat with Shaq And always get this- we want you to create a viral video because they thought that you could just create a viral video And this was a very sophisticated marketing department who just didn't know anything about the internet. This still goes on? Yeah, I'm sure it does! So now it's like they you know so it was not this VP of Marketing who created this Mulvaney campaign no it was the influencer marketing department and I think that this is going to be

1:20:22 a case study in the dangers of influencer marketing and it's going to dry up. I think big brands are gonna say, oh crap we saw what happened and we don't want that to happen to our brand. And it's gonna come from the top down because the CEO who issued a statement Which, it wasn't an apology. It was just a statement like... Hey man! But he wasn't just... Well I understand now this whole thing is so fishy mm-hmm I'm almost of the opinion that this has been done on purpose

1:21:00 This woman and the guy, the ex-CIA guy that was the CEO of Anheuser Busch. Is that great? Yeah this guys is great! He came out of military intelligence and he went to CIA then he went to Pepsi And he has a very interesting background you know it looks like a male model You only see a few pictures on him so its got that big smile It just looks too good We don't even know its him We have to realize that InBev, which is a... Belgium. Belgian multinational. Actually it's Brazilian-Belgian Oh I didn't know that! And the CEO of InBev is Brazilian. I did not know this

1:21:38 and the Anheuser-Busch part of it was a hostile takeover. Correct That the Bush family was not too happy about They reversed back into the stock, that's why it's AB InBev on the stock market Yes they did but that was like they still aren't happy They'd rather run this thing themselves The Busch family is famous for their...they've been doing this since 1800s and figured they can do better than these guys But Woody And this woman Well let me finish with little tidbits here This woman who is the so-called VP of marketing, if you look up the wiki page you'll find that she's actually the co president with the CIA guy at least for a while and then she got downgraded. This whole thing stinks to high heaven I think that

1:22:25 And there's pictures of her that were all suddenly leaked on the Daily Caller. Of her being an out and out frat boy drunk sorority chick, a Sally floating around at the parties. Is that called a Sally? A Sally yeah it's an old term from... Yeah she's a Sally hanging out with the frat boys drinking too much with their friends you know whooping it up and you know pre Flickr the old actual 35 which means they're real photographs that somehow they got into the Daily Caller. Couldn't have been like VD I thought they were from her Instagram? I don't know that yeah but whatever the case, I don't think she has a... Not anymore! None of them have a LinkedIn or Instagram Everyone's learning from this. I shouldn't put my resume on LinkedIn

1:23:21 Said the CIA guy. Well, the whole thing is fishy and I think it's I think it may be a scheme to like hurt A B in Bev if they can't I don't know that they can To get that to make them have to start selling off They have so many properties people think it's this and now now it's a lot So Boots on the Ground Insider. It's about a thousand beer companies. Boots on the Ground, Insider from HQ AB InBev Our Boots on the Ground producer says it's a crazy place to work right now. He knows the person in charge of the influencer campaigns, he is pretty sure that person is going to be fired. Alyssa Heinerscheid also probably going to be fired but she was not the one who greenlit this. It was done through the influencers campaign department and there's a different VP for that and what I hear yes, it is hurting Anheuser-Busch because the way the beer business works its the distributors

1:24:22 And the distributors are seeing the fallback in purchase. Distributorship of beer is a big deal to get one and the distributors kind of, they're the boss. Yeah it's a money maker They have a lot to say when it comes... you know Frank Sinatra had a distributorship for beer And they're very exclusive there is not like competition because its so mobbed up No! If you've got Atlanta Hello Sinatra hello yeah if you've got Atlanta You own Atlanta Exactly

1:25:01 Well, that may be but I don't know much about the mob. It's more your territory. But I have a feeling that influencer marketing is going to end with this. It's going to be dangerous, people are now gonna see that you can't have these nut jobs running around on TikTok promoting your product because inevitably do you have no control over them? I'm telling you this is gonna be big and it's also going to be a problem for Silicon Valley because this is part of their business

1:25:43 Is the influencer marketing without that demand? Who wants to be an influencer if you can't make money out of it anymore. We'll see, okay I mean you could be totally right but i think its just the selection process Of picking some of these screwballs like Dylan Mulvaney who were an embarrassment Yeah yeah super super embarrassment Okay, now I'll see the latest thing from Please let's not talk about Mulvaney's gotta be something. Well. I'm gonna talk about that. That's what it meant What's his name? O'Keefe? Media yeah exactly him tracking her down at the hotel him

1:26:31 You know, tracking it down at the hotel? Yeah. I didn't even watch it. Well, I watched and it was like a typical O'Keefe thing there was no substance! What's the point?! Just following somebody around with a microphone is sticking into their face and tell them to say something... It's not really... I'm not impressed. And I'm not impressed by O'Keefe for the same reason. This all dumb this is all blowing up in everybody's face No one cares. We have talked about O'Keefe, seemed like a nice guy but what has he really done for humanity? Seriously name one Project Veritas reveal that has changed anything One thank you You can't What is the one thing that project Veritas did under O'Keefe's stewardship It busted Acorn That was the one thing and what happened Obama still was president for two terms

1:27:33 Yeah, it didn't do any good. Inconsequential. Let's talk about some more douchebags so as predicted Substack did indeed release a social network it's called Substack Notes I'm sure you've been invited to it No! You're part of- you have the Oasis you're not... It's getting blocked by your email server come on Maybe yeah must be So, notes. Notes! This is what Elon Musk accused Substack of doing is trying to scrape Twitter somehow to get accounts for their social...for their Twitter clone It's not exactly a clone I'm not sure

1:28:13 If it feels like Twitter, looks like Twitter. It's a social network like Twitter but when you follow someone you also get subscribed to their newsletter which is something that I'm not interested in. That stinks! Maybe I don't want... I have to...I don't know what it is but they sub stack randomly subscribes you to various newsletters and you have to quit It's like, why am I reading this? This guy sucks. He can't even write so you have to keep unsubscribing and they keep doing this to me. No when you're unsubscribed then they keep sending emails Well here is another thing since your going to start talking about it I will mention that I did join a new social network Nostril? No! I don't even know how to get into nostril. This one it's like normally I go in with my finger

1:29:06 Man, so normally I think to some of the you know the Macedon spin-offs or they're like Macedon dot social and some of those main ones. Yeah The worst the worst sort of people yes But they're all kind of a lot of them are brand name war story peoples yeah tribal that sounds old isn't tribal really old? I don't know but it's got the worst sort of people oh Everybody in there is just a left-wing nutjob, although there's not like famous left wing nut jobs. But everyone's in there and it's like this one guy keeps posting at every post he has every link to wherever it is always starts with Republicans are rotten to the core! That's every post. Tribal man I don't think tribal... And not only that but it's spelled weird

1:29:56 Was not spelled T-R-I-B-A-L? No, E-L. Oh then it's something I don't know about. Tribel? Tribel dot com? Yeah, tribel. T-R-I-B-E-L. I don't know that it's old. It's new to me and never heard of it. Mmhmmm... no but a tribol with an A uh huh. But I don't know what... That other thing got sold um Gab? No, no the one that Kanye was gonna buy. Rumble? No the one that Kanye was going to buy. Chatter? No, no... Slander? How many of these dumb things on there?! All you need is nostril people! That's all you need and you wait they're gonna go after that too. You can blow it out your nose. There ya go haha. So back to Substack

1:30:54 So Substack is now, it is a Twitter clone. It's a social network so now we have to you know there are rules do you know the rules if you start a social network John C. Dvorak? Do you know the rules yeah you have to have? You have to be kind, you have to be moderation, you need moderation, moderator. Yeah absolutely! Safety team safety and standard oh excuse me before I continue So, and again we've got all these clones of my Twitter thing popping up. Of me so it's like it'll be underscore at underscore Adam Curry underscore. People like for some reason they love cloning you well and well I think it's because

1:31:41 I'm like a Bitcoin guy. And so then they'll, what they do is they copy my profile. They make a whole bunch of... They copy a lot of my posts from the past month or so and then they start following people who follow my official profile and then people go oh because people are surprisingly dumb. Oh Adam's following me knowing fully well that I'm not going to follow anybody. I don't follow many people been like a couple hundred which I've subscribed to 15 years or 10 years ago. And then Adam Curry, the at underscore Adam Curry underscore starts DMing them hey you know this is a backup account so i'm just following you to make sure that I got all my followers and yeah would you like to buy some crypto?

1:32:33 Oh, I see what you're up to. Yeah! So it's like... I like it. It sounds creative. It's so creative!! It's a confidence game. A con game. And so people start telling me this and then yeah and of course I'm blocked from these accounts um so I report the account and it used to be well they tried it again like well okay if there's impersonating you upload your government ID and said look I've done this I'm not going to keep uploading my government ID to you. No, this is me! I have 91 thousand followers This is me. This is not me and they're copying my profile And now what you get back is Now we've looked at it...this isn't impersonation Twitter says this is not impersonation No wonder you hate Elon Musk

1:33:29 No, I don't really care. It's just surprising. Here Twitter support impersonation of underscore at Adam Curry underscore I will read it to you. We've investigated the reported account and determined it is not in violation of Twitter's misleading and deceptive identities policy! What? It's totally misleading In order for an account to be in violation of the policy, it must portray another person or business in a misleading or deceptive manner For more information please make sure to read and understand our full policy we appreciate your help And encourage you to reach out again in the future if you see potential violations Please note any documents may have uploaded will be deleted

1:34:08 Which I did not upload. So they didn't even do anything? That's a bot! Yeah, it was total bot. So they don't even have the... Well they look at the numbers and say you're under $100k. Oh gives a shit. Hey this guy is bitching and moaning about being copied. Let me see. If he had a million yeah maybe but no no screw him we don't have time for this bull crap so what That's what they're thinking. I'm being in the office, so what? Yeah well you know that I don't have a blue checkmark so... So yeah! You don't have the blue check mark, so what?! Sir Andrew Gardner checks in. I was one of those Air Force veterans that was rolling my eyes at you and John thinking a journeyman was someone knowledgeable Here we go this is Boots on The Ground In Real Time

1:34:55 The Air Force job codes known as Air Force Specialty Codes have a skill level signifier that uses 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9. I do not believe one is ever actually used! Three is someone right out of their initial technical training school and then after some tests and further learning – job specific determines how much – one gets their five level. So a journeyman is just someone who has been on the job for a little and completed the minimal task needed." That may be in the military. I was explaining journeymen in the normal world! It's not a slam again, she was explaining this kid had no business seeing anyone... No that's what we've... He doesn't know that would that's what he said? Well he rolled his eyes and hey come on thank you is what you say thanks

1:35:44 Yeah, thanks for nothing. So back to Substack I'm trying to get to this one clip so if boy you're taking forever If your substack and you're starting a social network well You know you have to talk to Neelai Patel from the verge and Neelai Patel is gonna call you to account Gonna call you on the mat CEO guy You know, Nilay Patel was on the show that Leo railroaded me into saying the moon landing was fake or that I didn't believe in it. And I never said it was fake except now I have a hard time believing and I have no proof of it actually happened

1:36:20 Neil Patel was on that show. So I don't like him, just disclosure Oh i don't like him either! I was in a show with him over there and he called me a racist oh well you could be the CEO of Substack then yeah I just want to be clear if somebody shows up on Substack and says all brown people are animals they shouldn't be allowed in America... You're gonna censor that So we do have a term of service that, you know, has narrowly... Please note by the way the so-called journalists saying you're gonna censor that aren't you? Yeah, I love journalists who are into censorship. That's right! And he is a lawyer too! Be clear if somebody shows up on Substack and says all brown people are animals and they shouldn't be allowed in America you're gonna censor that So we do have a term of service that you know have narrowly prescribed things that are not allowed There are extreme cases right? Wait hold on where is the 2023? That is no so extreme

1:37:18 Right we should not allow as many brown people in the country. Not so extreme Do you allow that on some sec would you let them subsect notes? I think like The way that we think about this is we want to put the writers and their readers in charge No, well, I really wanted answer that question. I'm not gonna get into Gotcha content moderation. It's not a gotcha. I'm a brown person do you think people on subsets? Yes, you want to say something I'm a brown person He's Indian if I'm not mistaken. Is he Indian? Well, it could be Bangladeshi... He could be Pakistani! He's a brown person! Hey, I went to Jamaica! I'll look him up! I'M A BROWN PERSON!!! I'm not gonna get into gotcha content moderation questions. That's not a gotcha question-I'm a brown person! Do you think people on Substack should say that I should get kicked out of the country?! I'm not going to engage in... I'd say yes but not because you're a brown person. Do you think people on Substack should say that I should get kicked out of the country?!

1:38:17 content moderation, would you or won't you this or that? Content moderation questions. But it's the thing that you have to do right I mean you have to make these decisions don't ya? The way we think about this is Yes, there is going to be a terms of service. We are going to have content policies that are deliberately tuned to allow lots of things that we disagree with, strongly disagree with. We think we have a strong commitment to freedom of speech, freedom of the press. We think these are essential ingredients in a free society. We think it would be a failure for us

1:38:54 build a new kind of network that can't support those ideals. And we want to design the network in a way where people are in control of their experience, where they're able to do that stuff. By the way 30 more seconds this guy is a fail I agree 100%. I don't know what he was thinking. I don't know what he was thinking in general, that you can...in today's climate with journalists and Twitter was the journalist owned it! Journalists are Bob! We control Twitter I'll tell you this much, I'm looking at his wiki page Nile. If this guy's not a spook, I don't know who is. Oh interesting! And i'll say that because he's one of those wikis where there's nothing on it there's no information whatsoever just a bunch of random little things. You know? It's one of those what we do with this guy...I don't know. So but so he's actually vying for consultanship to help censor when he gets the information

1:39:56 from the government. Okay, all right but this poor Chris guy he was really bit off more than he can chew with his thing we're at the very early innings of that and we don't have all the answers for how those things will work We are making a new thing and Literally we launched this thing one day ago. Oh bad answer! We're gonna have to figure a lot of the stuff out I don't think it's... You have to figure that you have to figure out should we allow overt racism on subsequent? So, you'll have to figure that out No, I'm not going to engage in contact. You know this is very bad response to this question right here where you've blundered into this. You should just say no and i'm wondering what's keeping you from just saying now What a dick!

1:40:45 He should do a show, podcast with Kara Swisher. They would be great together Well actually if you look at the wiki page there's a connection between the two of them because she did a special on him or an article Oh! Well Neelay Patel no longer managing editor of The Verge moves to Vox.com I thought he was with The Verge? Well i think he is back with The Verge...I don't know what he is anymore now he's with uh yeah he's back with The Verge Hmm. Well that's interesting. It's hard to say. That's interesting. I'm telling you, like I said this thing is so vague this wiki page it's just like useless He's a brown person posing as a journalist in America Yeah And it says very carefully in black so he can't click on it Nationality? What do you think his nationality is? Indian American

1:41:35 Well, that was my faux pas. Yes of course I'm sure he's American No it says right there American Yeah yeah That was me being racist obviously We don't know where his parents are we don't know where he was born and we don't know anything Which is one of those entries that is like problematic And I use the word advisedly I'm gonna talk to my guy My guy knows My guy can get this I got some Indian mafia friends Oh, I don't know. Yeah and you know what? And they hate these kind of posers! They don't like these guys at all and it's tech guys too... Tech Guys... hmm interesting. Well let's just finish up the tech bashing and i just want to say that John and I- The reason why we

1:42:20 scoff at these things so easily is we've been around, we have seen things come and go. We have seen the hype, the overhype, the things that just fall apart I think we have...I mean we don't always get it right but at least we couch it in language like there's no evidence But in general, we have seen things come... I mean did you ever think OS2 would work? That it would be a big seller I was hoping it was. Me too, me too! I liked it too but did you really think... And it was a good product But did you really think it would work? Well IBM is a bunch of... Fair enough see exactly we know how operates IBM was not up to it No no at all and then they had that moment one of the big shows when the big trade shows

1:43:10 They came out with a version of OS2 that was uncrashable. It can't be crashed! Was that Warp? OS2 Warp? It may have been Warp... I loved Warp. Rex, Rex, Rex, Rex! And then so Steve Ballmer... I've got a program in Rex! Rex was actually pretty good little system. It was a nice little scripting language it was like a lot better than batch so Apple script So Steve Ballmer came in with it with a disc with a floppy disk whoo With some code on it, and he went into the IBM booth He says this thing won't crash huh? And he says let's see what they have what it does with this disc you sticks that just gonna crashes

1:43:47 With a bunch of people around him so they could all write it up. Oh, there was journalists around him? Yeah I think he made a big fuss about it yeah It was kind of the idea that... Well it won't crash! We'll look and just crash you guys suck Which is funny because the original OS2 was partnered with Microsoft and they were partners for OS2, and I have a little pin, lapel pin that says Microsoft OS2. Another collector's item that is going to go on the Etsy site for sale. How is that doing? Do you still have stuff on your Etsy site for sale? Well, we're trying to reincorporate new stuff. Oh Jay... Okay, you're making Jay work. Okay got it. Yeah and she's like oh I hate the Etsy site! All right now let's talk about AI because another day another 20 stories about how AI is going to kill us all and I'm a little tired of it

1:44:47 to be honest. By the way, just to reiterate there's no business model for AI, no one wants to pay for it, it uses more energy than Bitcoin and water by the way! Molly Wood wrote about this chat GPT is consuming a staggering amount of water I guess against cool stuff But the chat GPT really uses a lot of energy and a lot of GPUs, and you know... And for what? So Deutsche Welle had a long tedious interview with an MIT professor Max Tegmark.

1:45:36 And this guy was all jacked and jitty because all you hear, anyone who's in the AI space. I think it's... Space? Yes! How many times have we seen this type of hype? You know what i mean? It's almost like we've seen the video podcast, video podcast, video podcast now we've been through this cycle. Podcasters will be audio podcasters Video podcasters is on YouTube. That's just YouTube shows or rumble or whatever it's not the same thing Rumble Will you agree with me? We've seen these cycles

1:46:17 Oh, 10 times over. Like social networks I think we're kind of done now you know Facebook... Well blogs remember the blog phenomenon? Blogs? Oh everyone had to have a blog it was gonna free the universe everyone's gonna have their own blog! We'd have citizen journalists. Citizen journalists but also like I've said for the past ten years that Facebook can also go away Facebook can fall out of favor and And to a degree it has. It fell out of favor with Instagram, they bought Instagram and Instagram fell out of favor for TikTok This is the cycle of life in technology Companies don't like to go So anyway now we have this new thing which let's be honest

1:47:02 It popped up and it was like a fluke because someone started using chat GPT, which is chat GPT. And then everybody had to have chat GPT because they know this is the hot new thing as is witnessed by Google, who are pretty careful with how they roll products. How they roll out products that have a bad track record but they were even open about how flimsy this really was and they come out with barf and then the thing screws up so bad they lose 100 billion in market cap on the first day because people like oh crap Google can't figure this out. So now they're throwing all kinds of money at it. They're rejiggering their finances to make sure that they can throw the money at it

1:47:44 without a business model. So long lead in to this douche who's interviewing the MIT douche about chat GPT. This is not science fiction, intelligence is not something... This by the way it's a style piece this is the MIT professor Max Tegmark. This is not science fiction, intelligence is not something mysterious that can only exist in human brains it's something we can also build We were basically building these alien minds that are much smarter than us who we're gonna have to share the planet with right and the pessimism is because basically everybody who's driving the race towards this cliff is in denial about there even being a cliff but they can't stop

1:48:31 No company can pause alone because they're just going to have their lunch eaten by the competition and get killed by the shareholders. Lunch! Otherwise, there might simply not be any humans on the planet at all This is not an arms race it's a suicide race Billions of dollars are pouring into artificial intelligence but our private companies putting the world in danger in a race to create better even so-called godlike artificial intelligence Well, my guest today is Max Tegmark. He's a Swedish-American physicist cosmologist and machine learning researcher he's a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the scientific director of the Foundational Questions Institute max welcome to the show I want to begin with a general question before we really launch into specifics And ask you to be as brief as possible with your answer As much as you can and that question is are a handful of companies leading us down a dangerous path? Yes

1:49:30 So that was the punchline. That was his punch line and then he literally stopped because of course, as I said the interview is long and tedious We don't want to hear the interview then. But I have one other point he said yes, but he said it was a thick accent because he's a Swedish American Yes But you heard him in the beginning that's him saying we intelligence is not just for human beings I just liked it when you talk about artificial its fake artificial meat artificial leather artificial, give me some other artificials in our life. Everyone understands artificial is not real it's not the real thing there is no intelligence. Artificial breasts! Thank you artificial... that's not a great example because that... I knew he'd say something and then stop. That's not a great example so

1:50:22 But now he's going to tell us why we're all gonna die. It's a suicide race, billions of dollars are being poured into it because that's really what this is about no one can stop everybody has to participate even though they are raising money with the suicide race thing and now listen to how he justifies and tells us what we actually have achieved today How much of a breakthrough are these new generative AI models like chatGBT? It's what looks like a breakthrough in the media is really quite steady progress on work on AI. That's been happening for a long time, you know, and in the 60s that term artificial intelligence was coined by an MIT professor and for a long time at the people realize man this is much harder than we thought

1:51:12 And gradually, the list of things though that humans can do and machines cannot is gotten shorter and shorter. One of the holy grails Alan Turing famously called The Turing Test is being able to talk like a human really master language and that's the breakthrough we've seen now manifested in CPD4 and tools like this. Thank you, I was hoping that you would say that is not what the Turing test is... Before you say anything he works at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology He's a professor in this field! He said that the Turing test was that machine that could talk You know like computer, computer

1:52:00 working, working. I mean that's you know the Turing test is the point where you would have a exchange with a computer that you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a computer or person so i go into chat room and I start at chat by typing the Turing test was not involved with talking but we could be the same could be talking and you will be chatting with it in one way or another and you would not be able to tell under any circumstances that this was a machine. That's the answer, that is the correct answer. That is the Turing test. It's not just a machine talking working working! Let's let's just listen again to what he said here for a long time in the people realize man this is much harder than we thought and gradually the list of things though that humans can do with machines cannot it was cutting shorter and shorter

1:52:55 One of the holy grails Alan Turing famously called the Turing test is being able to talk like a human really Master language and that's the big breakthrough. We've seen so he's saying that the big forget the Turing test definition He says the big breakthrough is then it can talk like a human being I'm not convinced that this has been achieved Oh, I'm with you on that. I mean it...I don't know how many people are convinced! It's not even close! I see big flowery sentences and just going on and on and anyone who talks like that would be like, I don't want to talk to you, you're not normal but for some reason ...and also is it just talking like a human being or do you also have to make sense and be somewhat correct? Would that be a part of the Turing test?

1:53:49 or just be able to fool someone. Going back to the real Turing test, that means you can't tell if it's a person... I mean if you could pre-suppose that the person you're talking to is a moron, I suppose the Turing test would be a lot more liberal in the way you interpret it Can the Turing tests speak multiple languages like ICANN? Well, that was never included in the test. No but I'm just curious does it... Does the Turing Test have to work in all languages? So it would be German? I would think so! I don't think it can do any other languages yet

1:54:24 No, but seriously think about it. The internet is predominant... They have enough trouble translating you know when you go to a French translation through Google or one of these guys? So when they say I'm gonna buy some Chateau Lafite they change it the castle Castle Lafite You want to buy some Castle Lafites? So it's like, whoa this isn't what... we call it Chateau Lafitte because that is what it is. It's not Castle Lafitte because that the translation of the word châteaux So I mean, they don't even know that much. Right so is this just a... Continue with your complaining please Well i'm going to ask you questions Would you do you think that this is really just a Hail Mary and that the technology business Is in deep trouble? You know Silicon Valley Bank ruined all of the money went away or the scam of The venture capital scam

1:55:27 which now we understand how that works. Well, it's a cycle the venture capitalist scam is a cycle but the scam of creating money by making everybody put their money in the same bank so basically the bank had three times the billion dollars oh that was you know I think that's fairly recent That's pretty new! It's a good one but it was pretty new um...but they need to have something And I yeah, they need it right They always need to have some gimmicky thing that gets a lot of attention this happened in the 80s with the artificial intelligence Bullshit happened and the fourth generation computer we had podcast pocket all hot hot hot pockets then it was juiced

1:56:07 Well, you gotta be like juiced. Ah juice. You keep bringing juice back up irritates me It was like juiced and then yeah the end of Skype we have to everyone has to be skype We got a bill it's gonna be IP IP VoIP well wait wait wait wait wait what other ones that we have? What are their great sip sip But more generally more general more general name. We had social media But I think, you know... Blogging? I saw that already. Yeah for a little bit there but blogging was more an acquisition target it wasn't really something people that VC put their money in oh well one of the big ones right now is personal drones that you fly you know like the Jetson One and all these nutty new flying contraptions ah yes we're going to have air taxis everywhere

1:56:58 There must be a hundred companies. cycle that goes way back. Yeah, flying machines. It goes back to the 70s and first time I ran into some guy in Sacramento had this flying machine, this flying car and he'd go out of you know nothing would happen get some money they did 20 years later there was again same guy as we talked about in the last show Segway the segway wasn't one of those things all your singer is gonna change the way we design cities And they have to create their own hype. And they've done it, they've done it to a crazy degree with ChatGPT

1:57:41 crazy degree. And then, you know and I think there's no more exits in green stuff. Oh the green stuff was always a disaster! Yeah but I remember that Kleiner Perkins tried to do their Green Tech and they lost all...I think everything before it wasn't green. They had a green fund that made a nickel? No they had one but i don't think it made a nickel right. I think they had more than one. They couldn't even do the electric car right. They did what was that thing that kept catching fire Yeah, what was that? Could be any car. No but they were early on the burning up stuff it was um there was that really expensive one Fisker thank you and then they tried the scooters that was going to be another one they all invested in scooters Oh at Kleiner Perkins offices they all had a Segway in their offices on a charger

1:58:37 Yeah, of course I do. They're all riding around and then what else? I mean there was DVRs that was another one with the one hit the TiVo... Tivo? Well there was I think Kleiner it was into replay TV Right yeah they got two of them. There's replay TV and a replay TV guy It's kind of interesting. I had lunch with him once After he started Roku, and he's a roku guy. Oh Something of a genius. He's the one who really invented the idea and I think he felt he was stiffed

1:59:14 on the replay TV because Tevo got all the attention and they ended up being the big money maker and replay tv just disappeared. And he went off because I brought something up to him, and he was... He got mad? Just turned from a nice lunch to like... It took about 10 minutes for him to calm down! John have you ever noticed this is kind of what you do with people it's it's kind of what you do let me just say. And with that I'd like to thank you For your courage in the morning to them, to you. The man who put the C in the bullcrap chat GPT ladies and gentlemen please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr John C DeVore

1:59:52 Wow. In the morning to you, Mr Adam Curry also in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs on the water and all the dames and knights out there Yes! In the morning to the trolls in the troll room who have been somewhat helpful today actually Let's count them real quick before they start scurrying away Yeah that's what I thought 2309 I think that's good for a Sunday dinner That's good it's 100 over average That's 100 over hundred over And only one donation segment today It will be somewhat... was short weird Anyway, it's fine. It's value for value trolls so everyone sitting in there running scurrying away running away you get this show for free there's no charge is not behind a paywall we don't you have to sit through advertisements which means we don't have to have any type of meetings with advertisers which is good which also means if we talk about our products because we like it we actually like it if we don't and we don't like it or we don't talk about because we don't care

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2:02:37 Because you know that's where all the 20-somethings hang out. Not yet, okay and it's johncdvorak at noagendasocial.com That is you know John and I are there lots of people are there also the artists which i wanted to talk about one of our artists in particular because yeah roundy well this is kind of beautiful roger roundy uh and he's been posting on no agendasocial.com He said that he has now been hired by The Daily Caller to do political illustrations and he attributes his job, getting this job to his work for the No Agenda show.

2:03:19 Yeah, he does. Then he bails out on us. He's not bailing... He quits! He didn't quit. He's still listening and is still on knowage into social. We don't know that. Isn't it Daily Caller? Is that Tucker or Shapiro? Tucker. He said he wasn't leaving the show in any way but you know what? No, no what I said says fuck you guys right at the end of the note. John, no, no, you must have read... You're on tribal And I wanted to say that he's incorrect. The reason why he got this job is not because he won many different pieces of art as album art, which we see as an award for an artist. The reason why he got this job is because of our criticism of the things that we didn't choose of his

2:04:08 No, I agree 100%. It was listening to the two art directors that would be you and me as part-time art directors. Listening to us go over the art and it's something that most artists never get to hear! That's right. You don't get criticism when we say this is... You don't know why your art was rejected. Correct. And so once again... I believe what you said is true We can credit another success story to us Yeah, I'm in total agreement with that. Pat myself on the back for that! We want to thank... all the time we want to thank I think brand new to the lineup Francisco Scaramanga

2:04:49 Yeah, he's been submitting before. He's been submitting yes. And they're always interesting! Yes and he just hasn't quite made it yet for a number of reasons you'll have to go back and listen to the criticisms we had but he was uh... We picked his art for episode 1546, appropriately titled Cat Hole which the Dutch John I mean you are the hero of the Dutch no agenda contingent they think your translation of Kaatshovel into cat hole. I saw you got a postcard from cat hole? Yeah used in the newsletter There's something incredibly funny about that. You have to speak Dutch to understand it, but it is very well done and we like that. Well the piece I liked in competition was the one from Nessworks. He could've won again with SS Climate Change It was very close Yeah, it was very close And actually the SS Climate Change is a little more artistic But it was less connected to the show than our Maoist theme Yep exactly

2:05:55 The scaremonger piece was just what we want with the doctor ordering it was cute And he does did a lot of stuff and he came in second like two weeks before with they go back With the rabbit and the Christ figure. It's a bit much religious as hell Yeah, no I agree with other good ideas this nest where I agree Nestworks had the And this is what happens sometimes. I mean he had a great piece of art But it just didn't quite fit in with the fish flopping now other people tried Miami Fish You know other things Which yet didn't hit the mark either? Who was this Titter which is also scare manga, so he's been trying a couple things kind of like boisverts printing steak

2:06:47 Darren O'Neill had a nice printing food piece too. Which one was that? Oh yeah, I thought it was too complicated It was too complicated and it was also small you get Githor 33 is the brand name of the machine Too small Can't see it Yeah I don't think there's anything else that really hit the mark or came close you know, comic strip blogger. No but this time he had an ozempic shot going into someone's belly? No it was just creepy! No it was nothing we had this piece of good piece that looks good and worked so congratulations Francisco Scaramanga and oh and you know what I wanted to mention this she has his own luckytownthreads.com which is uh she's got merch

2:07:44 He makes t-shirts with Sin City. What am I seeing here? Wax Addicts... Got a lot of t-shirts, a lot of suggestive t-shirts Yes backdoor cover. I mean yeah Lucky Town Threads thought that was interesting so he definitely has artistic chops and just like sports supports t-shirts and stuff so it's kind of cool And thank you very much for bringing us the artwork for episode 1546. That was really good! We thank all of our artists, of course. You can join their ranks of congratulating each other which they do begrudgingly Some I think are sincere but...you can see with it...that guy won again

2:08:26 But, you know anybody can win except a comic strip blogger with his AI generated art. We just we try to catch the AI generated stuff and I've just vetoed that. I don't like it but i want you using your Wacom tablet at all times. It's Wacom? I thought is Wacom. Maybe this okay then if... Don't correct me unless you're sure okay. No, no I never corrected you said I thought it was. See this is why people get mad at you. You have a way, it's amazing! Yeah it's called parsing As part of our time talent and treasure which is the all we ask in return I was explaining this to some people having dinner with So how do you do this? By the way I'm looking for someone in Phoenix Arizona who can Do some audio engineering for producing a podcast email me if someone wants some help

2:09:32 I said, yeah well you know we've been doing this for more than 15 years and that and trying to explain time talent treasure. And it's like it's scary for people when they think about it but once you really get into it once you do it once you've built up your own Gitmo nation which is not easy takes time if you have to have patience... You have to have quality product that's the key! There you go yes outstanding product is a requirement And then, you know. I mean, I listen to podcasts not as much as you do but I listened to a lot of them and it's like who is gonna... These podcasts are just two guys gassing? Yeah we do some of that but we try to put real content in

2:10:11 Yes, correct. And I'll say that you know people keep telling me oh you got to go on the Tool Boy and The Pool Boy Show No! But i will say that his...and I said it twice His culture show is actually pretty good Have you seen this culture show? I don't know what your talking about Tim The Pool Boy I know Tim the pool boy. Yeah, so he has a where's a beanie? Yes He has another podcast where he just sits with people ala Joe Rogan then he's got good. Yes is a Joe Rogan clone yes It's a Joe Rogan clone. Yes Which is exactly why I'll never go on it because that would be like Going on The Tonight Show and then being a whore and going on The Late Show

2:10:53 Yeah, yeah. You're the Joe Rogan guy you go on Joe Rogan show Exactly I will never betray Joe Rogan Never But you did go on Glenn Beck Not the same not the same I would say Glenn Becks in a different category Yes very different category but In fact that would say Interestingly enough when i went on Glenn Beck Joe called me to come on like two weeks later I think that was his signal to say hey hey Maybe he was telling you not to go on Beck anymore. I think Beck should get word of this and maybe get you back on. Beck is not called so... Oh, you know who called? Who contacted me? Who wants me back on for a full hour? Come on! Rubin No, Ruben. I've never been on Rubin Back-on oh back-on yeah. Oh Tom Wood. Nope Full hour. Oh, I know who it is Yeah Kelly yeah That's right

2:11:54 Megan yeah, I think we got one one new listener from the Megyn Kelly show. Yeah Yes, I think it was one One yeah And I don't think it's gonna and you'd go on her show again It's gonna be another one Probably I like her doesn't have the crossover that Rogan has is a problem once she know that You'd hope that you could get some people to come listen to us, but I think we got one Kelly donation. Does she put a lower third on there with the No Agenda show underneath her name? Yes she did! I don't think so... Yes she did! Pretty sure she did. She mentioned it

2:12:38 No, she meant mentioning it is not the same as a lower third. OK, but I will well, I think it was on the lower third. I will ensure it is on the lower third. I will have her put Adam Curry co-host no agenda show Joe Rogan's boy. Yeah, well you if you put I think it was maybe had maybe it was Adam Curry podcaster. So yeah that's what you're gonna get if you don't make a point of no I always make a point but I think she had X MTV VJ. Yeah, I think it wasn't not your right. That's what it was. Thank you. Tina was mad because What was he just fangirling over MTV? Who cares look at all the stuff You're done looking out you're doing and she's right She's right

2:13:22 She's right. Keep her nose. We kick off our- And by the way, these podcasts are like all of them are supposed to be log rolling anyway that's what you do. Log rolling? It's like people don't come on The Tonight Show just because they're nice guys they got a movie to plug or they got a new- Promotion! Promotion! Promotion! It's all about promotion and anyone who doesn't think that's true which is by the way we have no guests Yeah correct Oh, that's the reason. Well that's one reason. The other I got a million reasons but that's one good reason But if you're gonna be on these shows that are all promotional then you supposed to get promoted Jeez yes is it take? I agree. What does it take to get a drink around here?

2:14:13 We kick it off with our monthly donation from one of our top donors of all time, Sir Animas of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia comes in to save the day once again with a coded donation amount. Let's make sure we say it right this time 2529 And this is again I presume in cash with several two dollar bills. You received it so confirm? It was counted by two people to make sure it was exactly right and it was 2 $2 bills and a fiverr Oh, right! So fiverr and then you had 20 and then 25 hundredths?! Yeah. Oh my god, thank you Sir Animas of Dogpatch and Lois Lobovia We don't know much about him but he does always send in a note which is usually or always thoughtful Generally And it's longer than normal this time but here he is Chag Pesach Sameh Happy Easter and Ramadan Kareem to all producers Religious periods are so important despite the ridiculous news cycle that has virtually eliminated their coverage and importance in the M5M

2:15:17 particularly after our democratically elected officials and many that were not elected closed all houses of worship during the lockdown. They're atheists, hello? I encourage all to re-engage in their faith rather than permit this drivel or this drive towards a secular belief in material things." I'll repeat that! "...I encourage all to re-engage in their faith rather than permit this drive toward a secular belief in material things..." Focusing on a prayerful and faithful life has its advantages. For those whose holiday has passed, I hope you have renewed your faith! John thank you for correcting the donation amount from last month Your reward? A railroad trip for you!!! Check out the new railroad station stamps at USPS.com Although they're no match for the transcontinental railroad stamps, I suspect you will like them

2:16:16 So is this a prize that you get or is he telling you to go get some stamps? He's telling me To go get some stamps. She knows I was as a kid. I was an adamant stamp collector Yes, and they still buy a plate now and again. I had a penny black as a kid Good for you. You don't even know what that is No, I don't yeah very very very famous stamp would you still have it? I wish I think I traded if I traded for an outboard motor Yeah, that's probably worth a million bucks by now. I also sold 65 Bitcoin at $900. There you go! I'm a genius You should have kept that No thanks John, thanks for that tip

2:16:57 The artwork on the $2 bill I was referencing was Trumbull's depiction of the signing of the Declaration of Independence on the back of the bill as it captures all of the signers. Yes, and I have seen people who have told me that they went out and got some two dollar bills They liked it and they like the two-dollar bill! No jingles but goat karma for them He's funny. No jingles, but goat karma for the millions of goats and other animals that will be sacrificed this Eid Yes indeed and as always thank you very much, sir Animas of dogpatch and lower slavonia You've got you've got karma Nice goat meats delicious by the way, you know I've had bad goat meat I've had in Jamaica. I like some jerked goat meat

2:17:48 But I had a goat meat at a Mexican restaurant. It was nasty it smelled like goat meat You're not supposed to oh, that's no good. No meat doesn't have any it shouldn't smell at all correct Well as bad goat me those crap bad any meat smells is so good anything That smells like goat is generally not a good product. No agenda shops up next from Fayetteville Georgia 60825, this is the latest share of the NOA... 60825? This is the latest share of the No Agenda Shop Profits. Sorry for the lack of updates recently we've been putting our no agenda education to use launching a personal podcast at stillchillin.com any positive karma would be greatly appreciated when you give me some karma go podcasting

2:18:38 Hold on a second, where's my GoPod? I haven't had the Go Podcasting thing on this show in a long time. I have to thank him our guy there at noagendershop.com. Where is it going... Go... Oh well that was my problem here Go pod. Do you remember what that goat podcasting is from do you remember when yeah, it was you were at one of the few Events you've gone to that was a podcasting event You gave a speech and then you dropped the microphone and said go podcasts told me you told me before I went there He said when you're done, you just you should just Just yell go podcasting. I did Yeah

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2:23:29 We're in a very small town with a trans epidemic Wow Hope I crest Hill, Illinois, Illinois crest Hill, Illinois. Yeah, huh? I Just wanted to say it's everywhere I have received notes from multiple producers who have this happening in their family the transmisim is taking hold and So we're in a very... And a lot of this, just like the girls who have tics on Instagram mainly. All of sudden they have Tourette's which it's contagionous not really Tourette's take it from a Tourettes guy This is contagion these girls like if they all get the same Tourettes and it's a Contagion is like when someone pukes everyone else has to puke It's that kind of... It's called mass hysteria Thank you mass hysteria there you go

2:24:24 Not always of course not always there are exceptions, but it clearly something's going on. We're in a very small town with a trans epidemic I hope I don't get shivved Can I get a de-douching and gay frogs keep up the good work You've been dedouched I DON'T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY There you go Then we goto associate executive producer starting with Brian McDonough Big Donno in Koppel, Texas and his 253 is an honor of his Human Resources winning score which was 253 I assume in the match of last week's PBA tournament in Houston. No! What's his name? I should... Brought what? Oh no the name of the bowler Well his socials are Bowling Brady I think Brady bowling Brady bowling Brady 300 So he is the youngest ever PBA champion at 15

2:25:25 Yeah, holy moly. You know you used to be a pro boulder right? No I was under-I was an NCAA college bowler it's the best I got but my doubles partner which we won the intramural championship with at University of California became went on to become up he carried me and we went believe me He uh...he went on to become a pro in one number of tournaments Wow. And he's done now, he still teaches bowling in Rich Karuba I love that we have Ashley the Formula Toyota racer she's also very young and i think will have no agenda on her car this season

2:26:09 Then we have Bowling Brady 300, youngest ever PBA champion. That's astonishing by the way! Yeah all the cool kids hang with no agenda He must have a... well we don't know if they listen to this show but he must have one hell of a shot All right, he probably has thrown a 300 to Onward Central Jersey 732 meetup in Parland New Jersey RoaDuck short one 222 switcheroo This is the winner of the coaster raffle where you get a coaster and a chance to win a raffle for donating for The central jersey 732 meet up And the winner is Rob Diggle. Rob Diggle, all right. All credits go to Rob Diggle so consider that done you got it thank you very much Joseph Terry in white Georgia is up next and he came which is the flat 200 bucks and said John I'm sorry I'm late to the party happy belated birthday may you have many sweet returns Joe Terry in white Georgia Sean Olsen is in San Pedro California

2:27:12 And want some jingles, can you see that juice? That's not a great question. And Goat Karma... Hello! Oh this is from Flight of the No Agenda meetup in Riverside California also have a meetup report from them as well I can't believe i was on the same side of an argument as Lady G! Oops As Lady G. Well no more, thanks for clearing up how silly that is... Lindsey Graham Thanks for clearing up how silly that is I can't believe he said he's pro-China Pro one China but will also defend Taiwan what a stooge Also, thank you for the coverage on the destabilizing trans movement. I know we don't want churches to be politicized but i think more should be speaking out against this movement The Trans Maoist Movement is what we should call it specifically That's a little more detailed and accurate And yes! We've got the jingles for ya Oh my gosh Can you see that juice? Great question That's not a great question

2:28:09 You've got class of JCD karma now this next note you and I have not discussed this but I would recommend that there's a lot of medical and personal information going here. I've already done this okay good I've in this regard we think alike yes so this is an anonymous donation $200 And a very long note, I'm only going to read the beginning of it and the very end. We probably had the same idea yes There's too much details on things that are very personal, for an anonymous note. I was just listening to Adam discussing the thoughts on the Dylan Bud Light issue and I had to write before Adam spoke the words. I was thinking to myself if Budweiser Marketing wanted nothing to do with us could they even say so? Or anything to do with this could they even say so? Well, they kind of did.

2:29:04 I've been trying to discuss injuries from childhood vaccines for two decades and it's been a nightmare. It would be an understatement the censorship alone has been terrifying go on about The four pages, but I won't briefly I've been arrested in a mall because the owner didn't like my sign had been lied to And censored and threatened with arrest by the local chapter head of a well-known autism support group and then she goes on with more details and And she, none of it good. And so I'm just going to go to the end with it because its pretty long note My ex told me years ago you'll shut up if you know what's good for your family

2:29:44 Damn it, I hate to say it but he was right. Yeah, I think the trans thing is a perverted fad that their perverted media pushes. I also think its atrogenic which means doctors cause it. I don't have reams of evidence like I do for the Vaxx autism link but my gut feeling they're trying desperately to normalize it the same as they did for autism. I know this long but you make me feel so much better here in red on your show please keep me anonymous thanks for all you do sincerely Yes, thank you. And then we have you in our thoughts because it seems like he got a lot of bum ride on a lot of things would that be yeah right way to say it bum ride real bum ride bum ride and thank you so much for supporting the show at the same time

2:30:29 And that does wrap up our Executive and Associate Executive Producers for Episode 1547. We're going to continue all the way through since it was a pretty short list down to the 50s, and then we've got a nighting to do some birthdays and some meetups John? Let's go down to the rest of these and starting with anonymous 167.10, another anonymous at 151.42... May I just say something here? These are orange because these were Bitcoin donations Yeah, I would like to know where that money is going because i don't see it in the bank account It should be..it should be in the bank account I haven't seen a nickel of it in the bank. We'll check because it all comes in at midnight, It's all swept into the bank account you've seen no transfers? I have not seen one okay well we'll make sure... I may have seen one yeah but well that was from... It comes under to cloud something or other Yeah I think that's what it is so reminder if you're going to pay that way You got to put your name in the note otherwise you get this anonymous

2:31:33 So thank you very much to both of you. The second one, 15142 says it's a douchebag no jingles, okay? You're a douche bag. Allison comes in with 150 and this was done as a straight up bank transfer And did this come in? Did you saw that came in? Yeah that came in as a bank transfer As a swift bank transfer She is in Taiwan or some place and she had to do it that way Oh wow And she says, old-fashioned bank transfers been completed. And I did see that coming Lucas Williams in Roswell New Mexico $100 Teresa Marcin and Plymouth Michigan $100 Kevin McLaughlin 8008 up in Locust North Carolina on a run yeah

2:32:21 Greg Mellon in Glenmore, Pennsylvania. $71.47 Happy birthday John! Josh Buford is also a happy birthday of $71 from Midlothian Virginia Jacob Alley in Wichita Kansas 5533 she's got a birthday wish for her husband or I had to bring in my human resource, I'm sorry it's a guy and me. Jacob okay there is no husband involved John Tucker in Omaha Nebraska 5510 Great stories Grandpa John he writes James Edmondson in South Plainfield New Jersey Double Nichols on the dime Richard Futter in UK London 5510 David Kekta in Santan Valley

2:33:11 Arizona. He's a rural carrier, which reminds me... I have a clip about that later by the way. Okay good because I've been going back and forth with the guy who is a union steward and he says the problem with it.. By the way David needs a de-douching. Let's do that first You've been D douched he also needs to call out Mac clan as a douchebag 73 in 7 drk He says that there's two unions he says the union for the rural carriers is not the same as the losers

2:33:53 that are the city carriers who've got a lousy union and they're the ones getting the most screwed by everything. And he says, we're unfortunately mixing up our details as we try to deconstruct what's going on with the postal service So we should at least know that much. And he is a steward, shop steward as the big deal if you're in the union. Shelby Losey in Rapid City South Dakota 5037 happy birthday to her smoking hot husband. Barron Sir Economic Hitman in Tomball Texas $50 and one cent. Now we have $50 donors name and location Kevin Dills or Kevin in Huntersville North Carolina

2:34:41 Christian Freeman in San Marcos, Texas. Titus Chow in Houston, Texas. Easy landscapes in North Stonington Connecticut! I love guys who do that Michael Thompson in New Brownsville, Texas. A lot of Texans today in the $50 donor race. Phillip Ballou, Louisville Kentucky. Chris Lewinsky, Sir Chris up in Sherwood Park Alberta. Kelly McDill in Mission Hills Kansas big Big Papa Productions, Inc. in Minneapolis Minnesota Timothy Moore in Arlington Texas and Corey Katzen Cave Creek Arizona that is our list of associate executive producers executive producers and plain old donators

2:35:33 to the No Agenda Show 1547. Thank you all very much for supporting us, especially our execs and associate executive producers and people under $50 who do that for reasons of anonymity but also because they're on those sustaining donations which do help out those little recurring payments you can make there's many many versions you can make one up yourself You can find out about them here at volrec.org slash N A. And especially associates and our execs, those are titles you keep forever! Congratulations! Our formula is this... We go out we hit people in the mouth. Mid-world order Shut up, slave!

2:36:24 It's your birthday, birthday. Oh so much and more! Yes here is our birthday list we got Sir Andy of Terrigal Beach and Dame Kylie of the Double D Cups wishing their beautiful daughter Lucila Cantrell a happy birthday she turns 15 tomorrow Shelby Lowe wishes her smoking hot husband Justin Lowe the happy birthday 37 today Daniel Papuga turning 38 tomorrow. There we go. Kirkus Maximus celebrating on the 18th. Teresa Marcin wishes...

2:36:59 Her son Josh Klein's a happy birthday. That'll be on the 21st Jacob Alley celebrates and Jacob Alley wishes his human resource Kamo Bostic, a happy birthday! And we say Happy Birthday from everybody here at The Best Podcast in the Universe Before I go to our knighting, we have a note from our Knight Tim Moore who says in the morning. I'm requesting a bladed knighthood after finishing the layaway program last May it took me a year to decide on my night name and Roundtable selection which is why I'm only just now sending this note so just so you know

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2:39:08 After I blew our friends away last night at dinner about About our value for value model and then I said, oh yeah by the way We have these meetups and meetups. Yeah these meetups that they're self-organizing Everyone goes to know agenda meet ups calm all over the world people get together groups of five groups of 50 we're expecting quite a big one and Tomorrow, as Tina the Keeper and I will be flying to Nashville for a do-over. since I had COVID last year, not that it mattered that much but no one wanted me around. This will be the Tax Day Family Skating Meetup at Rivergate Skate Center in Madison Tennessee The Duke of the South Sir Patrick Coble is organizing that and we're looking forward to seeing everybody before we get to the rest of our meetups let's have a couple reports his flight of the NOA Agenda

2:40:00 I think it was number 40 at this point. Yo, bravo! Hey Adam Ville over here at the meetup Flight of the No Agenda Get me an F cancer out there my wife starts treatment on the 17th We loved last episode every episode but it was fantastic we'll talk to you in the morning In the morning its Steve Hey, I'm not being triggered or held to blame in the morning Jesse here at the meetup no longer a douchebag. Hey shake that rain stick like a man We need some more rain down here All right by request You've got karma

2:40:42 Now we go to the knowage in the 732 central jersey meetup report This is sir our Daniels at the seven three two Central Jersey Meet up at the Garden State distillery and Tom's River be brave do something Thank you for keeping us informed and inspired. And by the way, I checked with Dan he was doing okay in the morning. This is Mappy Thank you guys for your courage in the morning through John Adams Rob Hope you're having a fantastic springtime. Watch out for those allergies! In the morning, this is Karaoke who's feeling a little loopy from seaweed and oyster vodka. Craig Kosher, newbie happy to be here. Tali Hotchkiss it was always great to get together. In the morning Rob had a great time thank you Dan Polisinos Hey mate this is Sir Donnock of the Raritan Valley just saying hey

2:41:29 Keep it up, eh? This is Dave and all my graphs are hockey sticks. And finally this is Sir Nobody with no clue what's going on. In the morning! Okay so now I know what that accent was and got one of them there okay thank you very much South Jersey exit 103 Tom's River sir Spencer Kansas City meetup he'd be a little promo for us in Kansas City we're known for our traditions bebop jazz hundreds of fountains, and above all else barbecue. Join us for our Smokin' Hot Spring Barbecue this Sunday April 23rd at 333 at Electric Park in Lenexa get all the details and RSVP at noagendameetups.com it's like a party Kansas City style

2:42:21 By now I think the Friends of Freedom meetup at Glover Park Brewery in Marietta, Georgia is probably winding down. They start at 130 this afternoon. Crossroads of America The No Agenda Tribal Meet-Up Spirit Distillation in Westfield Indiana Mash House at the West Fork Whiskey Company That is about an hour underway so you can join them there if you want Indiana's a big meet up state Impromptu Utah Valley meetup, 3 o'clock just getting underway at Strap Tank Brewery in Springville, Utah. We have the I Can't Believe It's Not Thousands of Sealed Indictments Meet up 4 o'clock in Jefferson Texas so that's a private home

2:43:00 Get that off of noagendameetups.com and hurry up as it starts in about 10 minutes on Monday Tax Day family skating meetup talked about earlier six o'clock at Rivergate Skate Central Madison, Tennessee Adam and the keeper will curry and the keeper will be there looking forward to all the know agenda People out there this will be fun And I'm not going to be roller-skating because that's a guy don't need that we know what will happen On Wednesday, the Red Pillar Club 33 meetup. 633 at Ziano's Italian Eatery, DuPont Road in Fort Wayne Indiana. Those guys are nuts! Hooey-hooey organizers and on the next show day Thursday 420 ah remember John? 420 donation day write it down for 420 420 420 bornday2beme Darius unity 2 o'clock at The Nation Mall Washington DC ah spook meetup

2:43:51 Also on 420, Sanity Brigade Thursday 5 o'clock at Selkirk Abbey in Post Falls Idaho. And we have the Virginia Maryland West Virginia Tri-State Meetup at 6 o'clock also on Thursday The Union Jack Pub and Restaurant in Winchester Virginia and finally for this list on Thursday Charlotte's thirsty third Thursday 7 o'clock Edgetavern Charlotte North Carolina as always No Agenda Meetups, connection is protection. This is where you find your community. Your community is no agenda and you can find all these meetup at noagendameetups.com If you can't find one near you start one yourself it's easy! Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days Wanna be where you won't be Triggered or held to blame

2:44:43 Where everybody feels the same It's like a bomb. It's the only one you have I see yeah, we have one and it said it's a slammer. It was done with a producer friend Oh He found it on King of the Hill show What the hell is that? Yeah! It'll have to do its not bad. Its not bad. Its not bad. I promised I'd play the clip

2:45:23 Where's my clip here about the hmm about USPS ah Here it is from ABC Gerald Groff spent years delivering the mail during the week and worshipping faithfully on Sundays That is until 2015 when Amazon contracted with the Postal Service to deliver packages they began to act as I asked people of my position to deliver on Sundays or holidays and told them that I'm not going to be able to work on the Lord's Day at all. At first, the postmaster accommodated Groff but a year later his boss said things had changed She said basically you're gonna have to find another job where your gonna work Sundays this time

2:46:02 Unwilling to compromise his faith, Groff transferred to a post office nearby. One that had just four carriers and still did not deliver on Sundays but as demand for Amazon delivery soared, Grof eventually could not avoid Sunday assignments shifts he chose to skip 24 times over two years Groff resigned in 2019 and sued. Federal law requires employers to accommodate the religious beliefs of workers unless it would pose an undue hardship on business. The Postal Service and two lower federal courts say Grof's refusal to work Sundays was clearly a hardship

2:46:38 Groff, who now works in the mailroom at a private retirement community wants the Supreme Court to force employers to be more accommodating of their religious beliefs of workers. But Rachel Lazar with Americans United for Separation of Church and State says the impact could be sweeping. This case opens the floodgates to every employee in the workforce being forced to carry the burden of someone else's religious practices, whether it's in a pharmacy context asking to not fill birth control prescriptions or in a workplace asking to have the right to discriminate against LGBTQ people.

2:47:18 I thought that was funny more than interesting. Not so legalistic about the whole story, not so legalistic about these things but this is because of the contracting of USPS for Amazon packages etc. This is what has driven all our mail carriers into you know into a tailspin as we've received note after note because You know, they're now asked to work six seven days. They're not getting the bonuses they thought they were getting it's part of an IT problem with scanners and you spoke to a union person? I'm gonna read some of his notes in the next couple shows. Yes, but he made it clear and I think that's what the situation is that the union representing this guy who is bitching obviously... It's a union thing you can't make if there's a Union involved you just can't make people all of a sudden have to work on Sunday? It's not in the Union contract! It's not in the contract that you can do this. You guys just changed the rules If there's a Union that's that's a real Union

2:48:19 So there's something fishy about that story and I hope to clear it up. To debunk it, pre-bunk it! Now I have a couple of leftovers if you want to hear them... There's a world how about a world story? How about let's at least get this into our show. Oh, yeah Dan situation is crazy At least 25 people have been killed and hundreds injured after fighting erupted this weekend across Sudan's capital of Khartoum the fighting is between Sudan's army in the powerful paramilitary paramilitary rapid support forces known as RSF The conflict which is unfolding in Khartoum and other cities has been roundly condemned by the international community, but it is continuing as NPR's Emmanuel Akhenwatu reports. A power struggle between the RSF and Sudan's army has turned parts of the country into a battlefield

2:49:06 After months of rising tensions, people in Sudan's capital Khartoum woke to gunshots and fierce fighting on Saturday continuing into the night. Both forces have accused each other of instigating the ongoing fighting which has seen civilians scrambling for shelter and open conflict in residential and commercial areas The battles follow a bitter dispute between the military and the RSF on who will lead during the country's fragile transition to democracy that now appears in jeopardy. So I've been looking at this story, and some of the military contacts have sent me some videos of stuff going on which immediately makes me wonder

2:49:46 Who is really fighting here? What's really going on. Is it us with someone else I mean there's clearly something messed up here Well this country is in the West Clark 7 and has never been taken over Oh good point Sudan is in the West Clark seven Yeah you want to play it yeah hold on a second ah West Clark Here we go, West Clark Seven So I came back to see him a few weeks later And by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq? He said oh it's worse than that! He reached over on his desk and picked up a piece of paper and he said... ...I just got this down from upstairs meeting the Secretary of Defense office today. This is a memo that describes how we're gonna take out seven countries in five years starting with Iraq then Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran Wow good call!

2:50:47 Well his five-year plan of theirs was a little off. Has it been 20 years since he did that little spiel? 2001, yeah more than 20 years but still okay sometimes think well they got some other ones there we got Libya and did that one. Somalia. We've got some goodies in there wow okay well so yeah I presume were involved in that I would think so. That's horrible well then maybe this other world story since you will not see and even this report from France 24 will not show you the

2:51:24 The rioting in France and people's heads being busted open, I mean now they're really fighting. Now it's not funny but we won't see that in this report. Just hours after the Constitutional Council gave his bill the green light on Friday evening President Macron signed his controversial pension reform into law opposition parties denounced the council's decision to to approve a bill that is widely rejected by the public. We are in an impasse in which they have put us, and this is not the decision of the Constitutional Council that will change the mind of entire people who are determined not let this pension reform pass The council rejected some measures in the pension bill

2:52:01 But the raising of the retirement age from 62 to 64 has always been the cornerstone of the reform. The government says that the reforms will be implemented on 1 September, according to the Prime Minister there were no winners on Friday. The Constitutional Council has ruled that their reform was in line with our constitution. The bill has reached the end of its democratic process tonight there are no winners and I like that it's reached the end of his democratic process which was not democratic at all at least well you know this is interesting because at least from what i can tell looking into this macrone When he ran for the job, he ran on the platform that he was going to do this. So he was democratically elected for the purposes of changing this and now all of a sudden everyone's bent out of shape? This is very suspicious! Well then one other thing I've heard... Jens Stoltenberg is out at the end of this year but I think it's his term you know who is now being whispered around Brussels as his replacement

2:53:04 Queen Ursula? Yes! Nailed it. No, I just guessed that well it makes sense because you know the Pfizer text messages and there's so much she's looking a little ragged too much controversy she's tainted as you know and maybe France Timmermans my guy can become the new queen over there huh if she can become the new NATO chief they're talking about that be I think she'd be perfect for that Oh God. Yes! Don't you think she'd be great? She looks like a type... Anyway, I got one last tip. Let me finish. You've got more? Yeah, I was going to do this one because i've had this on my list for weeks weeks we have not talked about it finally there was a CNBC interview with Jamie Dimon about this lawsuit this Epstein lawsuit

2:54:01 which is taking place in the US Virgin Islands and here's a short, very short interview about it. Do those allegations have merit? I cannot talk about current litigation except to say that whenever these things come up, we have some of the best lawyers in the world compliance out of the DOJ, out of SEC enforcement divisions who review all these things and make decisions at the time based on what they know. As best as they know

2:54:41 You're going to be deposed, we've learned now in this case in the spring. In retrospect Jamie do you think JP Morgan should have acted more quickly after Epstein pleaded guilty to one of these charges in 2008 because he was your client for five more years? Hindsight is a fabulous gift What I like about this clip is that it just says hey We hire all the best people right out of the government agencies After they did all our bidding we give them great jobs here and they are the best people! We got all the best people Yeah, it's so sick. Yeah, dude is actually what he did there was also Send the message out mm-hmm You know rub bar you know you give us a little rubber dog. You're gonna get paid you can't get repaid Don't worry about it and rubber don't do money. No you'll be fine. You'll be good your kickback. Don't worry about it It's all good alright last clip for you all right? This is a Biden clip yeah Here

2:55:37 Okay, here's buying Mumbling something about something and then he's gonna lick the world. There's nothing our nations can achieve if we do it together I really mean it so thank you all god bless you all let's go Let's go late He really did say lick the world didn't he yeah, let's go like look at the world Let's go lick it. Oh man, yeah let's go lick the world. That is beautiful thanks John that something I can never unhear now. It's perfect perfect alright everybody that is your deconstruction for today make sure you send in those boots on the ground reports we appreciate that also remember that will be here on Thursday and I will have a 420 that's 420 but I will have a detailed report

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