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00:00 Close it down! CLOSE THE WEBSITE DOWN!!! Serving the knitting community for 11 years and broadcasting live from the frontier of Austin, Texas. Copload the drone star state in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where this podcast is number three. I'm John C DeVore Yes beating out that other conservative podcast Joe Rogan John is referring to

00:43 What was the name of that website? It is Liberty Nation. Now it looks kind of pro-Liberty Nation. Yeah, it seems legit. Seems like a legit or... So this was the we made the top 10 list which was apparently a poll. It was voted on by the readers of Liberty Nation Top Ten Conservative Podcast to Download in 2019 Number three. Do you have the list in front of you? I do as a matter of fact, I do! Give us the list. We had number ten is the Dan Carlin Hardcore History podcast and again like most of them it says quote unquote not technically a conservative podcast Well it doesn't say that

01:28 It says, yeah it says that. Oh really? It says it on his podcast? No no, it's just a sheet. Yes on his entry it says not technically conservative podcast Yeah but you got to number 10 Somebody wrote on Twitter and said this is really the podcast that conservatives like to listen too But that makes sense Not necessarily conservatives and most of them aren't Yeah that makes sense Or a lot of them aren't Number 9 is part of the problem I haven't heard that Not familiar with it. The Uprising, which is Liberty Nation's podcast... gay house podcast That's okay well the people who read Liberty Nation I'm sure would be hey! I'm just happy we're on a list Number seven the Tom Wood Show Which is a good show that was a good show He apparently is not that conservative No Then number six the Rubin Report and the Rubin report really just an interview showing It's not he's not a conservative Dave Ruben is gay liberal

02:24 Yeah. I didn't know he was gay. You need to adjust your gaydar. Your gaydar needs some adjustment, my friend! And there's jokes to be told... Number five the Federalist podcast which i've only listened to once? Mm-hmm. I find it to be extremely no offense of the federalists which like the publication but the podcast is dull yeah And then number four, the Joe Rogan experience. Which is anything but a... he's really kind of a liberal. Yeah

03:02 But he's had Alex Jones and he likes Alex Jones. Okay, okay that's us yes Yeah, thus and number three no agenda hosted by Adam Curry and John C Devorak the new agenda podcast is a real journey through the minds of those I Think I think that someone was doing the list And like, okay I got to write a little blurb about each of these podcasts. Let me listen to five minutes and if you listened the first five minutes of our show we could indeed be talking about a restaurant, we could be talking about some product and then we go into our personal experience so if you listen to like five minutes at the opening over show yeah you probably think all these guys go everywhere

03:55 Number two, the Ben Shapiro show which is really a radio show but okay. Well it's no I consider what he does a podcast well he's on the radio And the number one, The Dan Bongino Show. The undisputed number one podcast for those who like their liberty in audio form. This show topped the polls of both LN authors and LN readers making it...in other words both groups liked it. Right. Now Bongino is a radio guy This show is a radio show too, I believe. I think the two of those Shapiro and Bongino are crossovers we're not. We're pure play baby pure play

04:40 And Bongino is an ex-Secret Service guy who's a natural broadcaster. He is a natural broadcaster and he would, I don't think his radio show was on Sirius XM? I don't know how much of a radio show that is... But he does a lot of substituting for some of the... Yes! That what I was going to say. He's good at AM radio talkshow type stuff Because and he need and that it's a skill you need that skill to draw 25 minutes of content out to a full hour because I subscribe to his podcast And I like his podcast, but does but I need you know 25 minutes of the information kind of way And I'm sure people say is that about our show although we're more than just information We are we take you on a journey inside our minds in this house Inside our minds

05:29 That's true. It's true you know you come You come for the deconstruction you stay for the sound effects there you go and the stories that I think that's where and actually today we're going to be using some of our expertise in In fields to help people Deconstruct what is going on? What is going on well first John, you can really pick them now. I'm surprised I mean this show has picked sports competition winners that has picked we tagged Donald Trump very early on is going to win the Pope named the Pope before he became... That was all you. Well this show I'll just say it's this show

06:14 We've picked Eurovision Song Contest winners. We've had some losers too, but usually we're able to pick them pretty accurately and wow man on Brexit who would possibly be the next or just the UK possibly be the next Prime Minister with a resignation of Theresa May? You brought up a name which I'd never heard of before! You kept saying, yeah the Gov guy. Gov. Michael Gove! Well you can pick him John! So he had to come out and say I did coke

07:02 Did coke because I guess it's about to publish a book or something and this is 20 years ago But his actual quote about his misdeeds is perhaps even more interesting. Mr Gove told the Daily Mail I took drugs on several occasions at social events more than twenty years ago At the time, I was a young journalist It was a mistake. I look back and think I wish I hadn't done that now why would he add the Moniker at the time I was a young journalist does that mean journalists who are younger on coke is this what they do? Thank you for your answer. I have no reason to doubt it That's in there for a reason yeah, that's the reason you just did you just outline because it's true

07:45 No, it's because it is a great assertion to make and I put everyone on notice. I think a lot of young journalists are on coke. A lot of people are on coke that are in high pressure businesses. There's a lot of coke heads in Silicon Valley and there's a lot of coke heads in the New York Times. Just can't say that I know this as absolute fact. You're good at detecting that. No drug dar in that regard. I cannot tell. All you do is check them, how many times to go to their nose? Well being someone who has Tourette's and tics... I'd be wary. It would be tough for you. Right now I got a touch my nose all of a sudden just because we're talking about it this crazy this disease it's crazy

08:39 So, but of course everyone's okay with it. Ah we don't really care about his history and we're not America! We're not crazy like America and all that where you get all nutty about what you did in the past so I guess that was a hit job that they tried to pull off on him And i think is actually good to point out he was a young journalist because that puts the actual journalists on notice who are reporting on this story It does kind of. Because that's kind of the next obvious question, as was mine. Really? You kids all on coke? So that was a hit job on him something that came out yesterday which to me means that the hag may be operative again you remember Hag? Yeah. H-A-G

09:31 I thought it was HAG. No, HAG. It's an acronym. The Hillary assassination group? Oh! I forgot all about them. They're killing the Republicans in their homes. Well and one of her two brothers, Hilary Clinton's brothers died Tony Rodham. And you know which I would say he was 64-65 but the cause of death has not been reported He's unknown. You think it was part of the hag operation? Well, so why wouldn't you just say what happened? Yeah and so when you don't say anything then typically if then it doesn't sound like it was a sickness or may have been a suicide or something I don't know if anything has come out since we started the show. Well they also leave usually won't say anything if its AIDS related generally speaking I've noticed this right

10:25 But we are in the age of mopping up, cleaning up and getting rid of stuff. And this is really once again I am so grateful for our value-for-value network of producers and dudes named Ben, dudettes named Bernadette. Long ago we made a decision for all of our show notes and all over information to be run in the Freedom Controller's thank you Dave Jones which is structured, all text, all show notes. Everything is structured text it's XML actually so its highly exportable you can do all kinds of fun things with it that's why we have no agenda player thats why we have bingit.io for the show note search So very quickly I was able to

11:14 bring to the front these little nagging remembrances that I had in the back of my mind about her brother Tony. Yeah, I forgot all about him. Well thank you this is what our NOA Agenda Network does we've got two stories from 2015 when Tony and Hugh both actually were in the news with controversy and this is regarding the 2016 election so there was already some stuff brewing and first listen to CNN kind of blow it all off The allegation is that Hillary Clinton's younger brother has parlayed his relationship with Bill and Hillary Clinton throughout the years to come up with some sometimes dubious business deals for himself. Maggie, what... You just laid it out pretty well right there! I mean look, there has been an ongoing focus on the brothers Rodham, right? Right. On Tony and Hugh Rodham, Hilary Clinton's brothers What was striking about the story my colleague Steve Eater did is uh.. There are these court transcripts where Tony Rodham

12:14 openly says I leaned on my brother-in-law to get help me. Uh, I went through the Clinton Foundation and he says this um that type of stuff is very unhelpful that you were going to see in attack mailers your gonna see that potentially in ads it says here when Mr. Rodham was short on cash in 2010 Mr. Clinton helped him get a job for $72,000 a year raising investments in Green Tech Automotive an electric car company then owned by Terry McAuliffe, an old friend of Mr. Clinton's and now the governor of Virginia? Don't we all help our brothers and sisters or anything like that?"

12:53 Bill Clinton is not in office. It doesn't seem to conflict with her job as Secretary of State. Oh no! If Bill Clinton helped out the brother-in-law, I don't see that as a scandal To me if there's any issue...I totally agree. I think that people forgive you help your family and help your brother. Yeah. I think that the more you see things like..you know I went to The Foundation for help now The Foundation says there's no evidence we did anything but it just its not great. The foundation does nothing This was episode 706, by the way of the No Agenda Show. From that same episode we brought you this report Hillary Rodham Clinton's brother Tony Rodham sat on the board of a self-described mining company that in 2012 received one of only two gold exploitation permits from the Haitian government

13:37 The first issued in over 50 years. The tiny North Carolina company, VCS Mining also included on its board Bill Clinton's co-chair of the interim Haiti Recovery Commission former Haitian Prime Minister Jean Max Bellerive The bottom goldmine revelation is just one of dozens featured in a forthcoming bombshell investigative book by three-time New York Times bestselling author Peter Schweitzer. That, of course was Clinton cash so there's lots of loose ends with Tony And if you have an investigation into connections with the State Department, shenanigans going on with the Obama administration... all kinds of missing documents and there's I don't know how many investigations are now running. We've got multiple inspectors general You know maybe Tony got in the way? Could be! I have no better answer- Put him on a list. I have no better answers since there is no information

14:46 Put them on the list. On the list of what? Oh, the haglist? The body count! Body count list yeah. Clinton body count it's not just about Hillary. Yes exactly I don't know when was the last time you looked at that list is huge It is quite a big list and if you feel bad about... You gotta go hey you know this list is a little bit I don't know this is pretty big this list I feel bad about going straight to this. Even last night, I'm reading through this article and the keeper immediately goes, oh don't tell me he was killed? Well since they haven't told us what happened you just gotta think about stuff and I just recall that he was controversial a couple years ago

15:36 around elections and it was important, and they pooh-poohed it on CNN. Yet there were all kinds of shenanigans with the gold mine in Haiti. The gold mine in Haiti? That's a classic! It is a classic one of two licenses okay who knows who knows I guess if you look at the New York Times front page today and you will see the topic I'd like to discuss, the adpocalypse. Okay so i have thoughts on this because this thing is...I'm gonna let you do your thing but first of all I am going to kind of predict what you're gonna do Why would you do that? Why? Yeah why would you predict with the outcome when about the say's Because it could be wrong

16:23 And then you can gloat and if you're right, then I don't have to do it. Is that the is that the point? Okay, I'm not gonna predict anything actually I had my mind made up what I was gonna Do mm-hmm cuz I knew you were gonna do this because you telegraphed it on Twitter Oh, we know I had a case. Yes, I went there nice dinner. I said oh, this is now okay I got very disappointed. By your counter-argument? No, not my counter argument was good but then i read this article yeah oh geez well and actually there is something important we need to do first people's brains are getting fried trying to understand the perceived censorship of conservatives on social media and this week in particular it was YouTube

17:13 Now, the way all media sees this whether it's alternative whether it's mainstream except for this show and I was telegraphing. gauging response that we're pretty much the only ones, or I think you're gonna be on board with most what i have to say who see this in the way that it's actually unfolding and what this is really about. So in the lexicon, the ways people speak... In fact they have a I have a little, this was on Friday. Glenn Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson which is always a fun match since Greenwald is definitely not your typical Fox guest and here's his take

18:00 on what went down and he's missing one important piece. Yeah, I mean personally find Steven Crowder to be just a contemptuous cretin as a commentator i do think he is an infantile bully which it and bigot which are not words that easily invoke he didn't just criticize Carlos Maza he mocked him for being gay in for being latino used the lisp and things too ridicule him sends a lot of harassment his way but thats the point Tucker is that censorship advocates want our brains to only go to that most primitive first level of do we hate this person and are we therefore glad that they're being censored without thinking about the framework being endorsed or the consequences. Right, That ensue from it I mean personally it resonates a lot for me because I've dealt with harassment far greater than what Carlos Maza is complaining of. I'm a gay man in a country Brazil that just elected a president driven by intense anti-

18:55 gay animus. My husband's a member of Congress in the oppositional party, we've been mocked and derided with our sexual orientation not by random YouTubers but by the president of the country himself on Twitter and his family members who are elected members of Congress occur to me to run to social media companies, to beg for censorship because in part it's just something that comes with the territory of being a public figure but more so because I don't want to live in a world where our discourse is policed and determined by benevolent overlords who runs Silicon Valley companies. You know we're always going to cater to the most powerful

19:35 That's what happened here YouTube caved in not in defense of the marginalized person But in defense of the powerful one, the one who despite being gay and Latino works for a major media conglomerate And that's what they're always gonna do is defend The mob and defend the powerful at the expense of those who are our marginalized. So Glenn Greenwald is correct that Silicon Valley companies will always cater to these strongest influence But he's incorrect in saying that this that they will always cater to the strongest influence being big media corporations No bullshit, and I'm we're going to explain why and with this Vox Crowder gay wonk whatever it was

20:20 controversy, the timing was perfect for a 21-month investigative piece to be published today. That's just so coincidental! This is the making of the YouTube radical this is the front page in New York Times which really shows you how evil YouTube is at a systemic level and people on it. In particular pointing out Stefan Molyneux I think he can be prepared for what's coming Well, there was actually on the front page of The New York Times a couple of things. One they had the four...the front page is an online edition They had four people It's on the front it's on the front page of the printed edition too Okay they have these four people I think the front pages that are online is pretty much a reflection except on the online version They had them in motion. They were moving their... Oh yeah! It was animated Yeah this better. It's an extra dimension

21:17 It's actually it's kind of cool. So they had the blonde in the bunker wherever their name or blondie Blondie whatever her name is on the left, and then they had Paul and then they had the other Paul Watson mm-hmm Who's the guy with the beard I've seen him before but I for some reason like it And they didn't have a name of anybody and I don't know you're no help Somebody in the chat room knows who that is. Well, you said two Paul's I don't know who it is Okay well open up the article then and hold on one can tell you exactly who it is Yeah, well they got me to have and they must have a million different pictures on this article. We are you mean the front page? The articles got a million pictures Okay on the front page of the times that you have these four guys Let me take a look And I can tell you for a fact that under from the article either I can't identify more than one or two people there okay the Lawrence Southern I mean if you're looking at Lawrence Southern That's Blondie That's Lawrence Southern

22:18 Lauren Southern, yes. It even says it in the caption John. Oh okay. Clockwise from left. Lauren Southern, Stefan Molyneux Paul Joseph Watson and Rebel Media. Rebel Media would be on the left though that's not... That's Paul Joseph Watson on the right so it's incorrect even their caption is incorrect and actually it's a nice long piece very long article but before we get to that What we're going to talk about is advertising. And I think it's probably a good idea for us to state our credentials, in particular digital advertising because for some reason people think they understand advertising the misconception that advertising is oh you get bigger numbers? You make more money! It's how it works everybody gets it advertisers don't care if they advertise They just want eyeballs! That's how it works

23:17 And I think this started with... Put a time code down. Yes, I think this started with really with the first ad networks and the display what we had the display ads first if it just showed on a web page you remember those days? You'd make money... The banner ads! Those were invented by a couple of guys that used to work at PC Magazine when they went over to CNET which is the company that invented the banner ad So they had banner ads and you know this has morphed over time, but let's just go back. My credentials besides having brought Budweiser to MTV which was very precarious... MTV really wanted Budweiser on the channel we felt that for the money no other reason than for the money and there wasn't they couldn't figure out a way to do it

24:05 Until we came up with the idea of spring break spring break was created for Budweiser not because MTV wanted to go show how much fun kids were having it was to get Budweiser on the channel and there were several Stipulations. The main one was nothing could be done live now MTV did Mardi Gras We do live we do live all the time back in the day at least I don't know It's all over But Spring Break had to be taped and edited and delayed because Budweiser could not condone anything happening that would involve kids drunk, which is pretty much what Spring Break is.

24:44 But it happened and we got Budweiser and Bud Light, and it was fantastic. And in fact then we brought in Nivea for some of the stuff that might portray too much drunkenness so they had different advertisers but the sensitivity of the advertisers is what I'm getting to So I started a company in 1993 called OnRamp bought 15 other digital agencies and created Think New Ideas took that public on NASDAQ in 1996 with Omnicom, arguably the biggest either number two one or two depending on you know WPP who we are arguing with conglomerate of advertising agencies that were our largest shareholder personally invested by John Ren the CEO.

25:27 And we built the first... A plague! A plague of these companies. They bought up everybody Well they didn't buy us up, they wanted to buy us and said now we'll go public The point is that all these little advertising agencies and some big ones used to be very famous Doyle Dane & Burnback you know these guys in those guys and they all end up part of a giant conglomerate this terrible yes And they're call the shots. Anyway, continue please. Built the first website for actually Budweiser was my first call we got budweiser.com bud.com budlight.com reebok.com They didn't have a website We built reebok.com tampax.com Built this company our company Think New Ideas to 700 employees seven different countries 450 million dollars in revenue

26:15 Yeah, this is when you were famous. This was and we were there with agency dot com it was called digital Silicon Alley Jason Calacanis was still in New York So learned a lot about the sensitivities of advertisers Let me give you a few examples from the early days Reebok We built planet reebok calm and we put a forum in there Get a panic call from the, uh...from the...well it wasn't the CEO but it was the chief marketing officer. People are talking about our shoes that they're being made by children on this forum! What are we gonna do? Close it down!! CLOSE THE WEBSITE DOWN!!! And she was a woman that's the crazy part that's how she sounded That's another time code It may unfortunately be this way for the whole show

27:04 And you know these were huge issues. We had AT&T, oh my goodness just a smaller example shut the website down we did the You Will campaign. Shut the website! Youwill.com which he registered was remember Tom Selleck and he had these stylized and of course it all came true He'd be sitting on the beach with some kind of digital thing some slab or whatever one day You'll send an email from the beach. You will you know so we built the website youwill.com and it was a promotion with a feedback loop but these are the days of color monitors that did 256 colors, again We usually dealt with the chief with the C-suite the Chief Marketing Officers in buying from the CEO So it's big deal

27:53 They were looking at their AT&T logo, which of course has to be so many pixels from the... We didn't even talk in pixels at the time. So many inches from the border of the page and you're from any content around it but because of the color of the monitors in the state of color correctness and clarity It didn't look like the AT&T blue logo! Shut the website down!! You know I had to fly... I think was a Boston at the time whoever's in charge over there had to explain that that's not how it was. So they're very, very, very sensitive... Oh here is another one! It's my favorite. We did... so we were at all we after being digital we really became a full-service agency and also did television commercials and we did a big positioning piece for Oracle for the Super Bowl And this would have been Super Bowl oh man the one in 97? 98?

28:48 I can't remember. Oracle was major sponsor and we did this beautiful, you know like, you see monks... positioning piece where Oracle were saving the world is gonna be great and one of the first times a URL ran on the screen! On the screen it was insane oracle.com In fact it might have been oraclecontest.com or some specialized thing So this was to sell Oracle's wares. And people started hitting the server, the minute that popped up on screen we were running the server and everything got overloaded pretty much immediately and we had no idea what to expect these things hadn't been done yet unfortunately well fortunately we had put some failover stuff in so multiple servers

29:39 And some of those were IIS, Internet Information Servers running on Windows with the Microsoft SQL backend. And somehow it failed over to these other websites It got hammered so bad that an error appeared on the screen with Oracle contest dot com Error Microsoft SQL Server Internet Information Server Let me tell you we got fired We got fired for that. Yeah, I would fire you too! Of course you would of course i even tried to lie it off but it didn't work so we got fired um there is such sense... I actually vaguely remember that incident because it may have floated around in the tech writing oh that could have yeah yeah i think it was one of those things we've run into microsoft did the same thing when they bought uh hotmail and it turned out they were running it was running on linux

30:35 Yeah, I remember that too. That was very embarrassing what it's not running on your on your exchange server What yeah of course try running a hundred people on exchange let alone you know hundreds of millions So the point is, I have a lot of experience with advertisers and sensitivity that they have. And controversy if it's uncontrolled... They love... Controversy can be great. Reebok and Nike both use this all the time when it's controlled controversy When they know the parameters they know where could spin out of control But if it's unknown If they really don't know even the smallest risk The smallest risk

31:17 will be taken as, let's avoid it. Let's not do that things to go bad John I'd like you to just briefly give us a few of your credentials so people understand that we come from a business where we really understand what's going on and its way beyond just numbers Well, I've talked about on the last show which is the fact that I've always worked in a commercial environment. So except what? I was on public radio for awhile but that's very similar excepted the commercial environment is kind of hidden from the public but you know PC Magazine San Francisco Examiner and some of these other and probably every computer magazine that was done in the 80s. I written for him. I've written for all of them and then I've written for The New York Times and elsewhere

32:03 And you are very cognizant of the fact, even though you don't talk about it too much. Of advertisers and what their influence is and you get condemned for it constantly people who always say well the only reason you're doing that because they got a lot of advertisers in the magazines to support this so you won't say anything bad about them but ironically the public doesn't seem to really have a clue. That's an old bromide that all the advertisers are influencing, the editorial because the main one that they'd always bitch and moan about was Microsoft. And they'd always say well Microsoft owns PC Magazine and Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, and Microsoft rarely if ever has any influence

32:49 uh, advertised in a PC magazine us almost ever. Yet they were always blamed for influence them because you know how we don't want to hurt their feelings? I mean the editors are pretty soft about a lot of this stuff but my one of my favorite examples was I was being syndicated around the world and all these crazy little pieces magazines that were everywhere and I w and I wrote something up that pissed off Microsoft And they, even though they don't advertise. They have a lot of public relations people and they had me banned from PC Magazine Italy of all places! Really? And I found this out from the Italian, oh yeah, Microsoft made it big stink said they'll never advertise again if a Dvorak column ever appears in our magazine Right So that was pretty gruesome Well thats actually a great example Just repeat that again They said what?!

33:41 They said that if Dvorak appears in any issue of PC Magazine Italy, they will not advertise with them ever. Regardless of what it's about? Regardless of where your column is it was just you and your attitude? I actually showed up as being banned... there was discovery during one of these Microsoft lawsuits and somebody sent me some pages from Discovery. This was so Discovery, so great! Yes because you can really get all the docs And I was listed on there as a guy that they shouldn't be talking to Persona non grata Yeah it's also banned by Apple. I wrote a column about Steve that was a pretty nasty column It was an InfoWorld when i was there I wrote this column When Jobs Quit Apple Was Rousted By Scully Right

34:33 And I wrote, and he said Jobs was a jerk. So I wrote Steve, Goodbye Steve Jobs Good Riddance, I think it was the title. Ooh bad boy! Somebody told me that they saw that column in his office pinned to something. And uh...and I was banned. I wouldn't get any products. I wouldn't get invited to any events. Who cares? It's like driving down to Cupertino anyway. But but anyways but the best story was um Microsoft, big advertiser throwing their weight around in Brazil. They had a piece of magazine in Brazil and I would go down there every so often because I wrote for other magazines down there and um...I was hanging out with the guy who's the publisher he said

35:17 He said that Microsoft came down there and said, we want 12 month advertising spread. And then it's a six month advertising spread for the next year and a half. And the guy gave him the rate card. And Microsoft sales guy goes, no we're not paying anything for these ads you just run them. He said what are you talking about? We don't run ads for free! He says oh no because if you don't have Microsoft ads in your magazine No one will take you seriously You're not a real magazine exactly and I thought that was fascinating That's a good one

35:59 I like that. Well, then so the point is I've been around well and together we We read pod show slash me vo we learned exactly how problem certainly in today's environment where you have ad buying networks you have auction based systems where people go in and say okay, you know it's what you'd expect it to be. It's what the promise always was The promise was alright I want to get 24-35 year olds or when have them interested this interested that and yeah those are the eyeballs I want And then go ahead put out there

36:38 And of course this would run on these networks, it would run on all kinds of scam sites. Pop-unders pop overs invisible down on the page never saw it All kinds of bots fake clicks fake views so much and then the advertisers started to go Yeah, you know I got a call from my client and he saw his BMW ad running on this porn site. So then the ad networks had to clean up their business because of course it's the basic idea that you pay $15 per thousand people that have seen this, clicked this read this heard this etc... That remains

37:19 But when you have everyone able to see all of the places the advertising shows up and the brand itself, who has been promised a here it comes brand safe exposure and experience. They get very upset when in fact at Mevio we had this exact example with BMW And it also ran on I think was either Madge Weinstein's podcast... just on the show page. And Madge Weinstein is the bloated lesbian from Chicago And they pulled the whole campaign. Well you guys, how can we trust you? How can you prove to us that will never happen again and I think it consisted of me putting on my MTV jacket and hair going over blowing someone who still remembered and that's usually how he got out these things

38:08 So we understand this business and it's not as cut-and-dry as you think it would be. And this is where everyone is missing what is really happening here, and there's no incentive for anyone to tell you exactly what's happening except for the guys who are no longer in the advertising business that would be us. Now YouTube... they don't break it out per se but I've looked at all the estimates approximately eight billion dollars a year in revenue comes in from YouTube. This is what we used to call the business long tail revenue, long tail! And this is the only model that was working and this is not hits The idea of having hits as an a hit podcast network which as you know I'm... We proclaim that you cannot monetize the network You cannot

39:02 The only way to do this is by running hundreds of millions of ads on cat videos, kids dancing birthday parties. You know that kind of stuff That's YouTube revenue 8 billion dollars a year now some say 5-6 I'm just gonna put it at eight that sounds about right That's a lot of money and it's not coming from Crowder, it's not coming from Joe Rogan. It's pieces of that sure this is coming from huge huge volume the problem with huge volume is if you don't have artificial intelligence that can actually flag objectionable content that an advertiser would object to we just gave you all these instances in examples you have to employ people

39:51 We know that there are all these thousands of people working on checking uploads, making sure all the videos are brand safe and determining whether they should have advertising running against them or not. Which has turned into this demonetizing term which is completely disingenuous and not what's really happening we talked about this on the last show Bad PR is a problem and it's a huge problem if it's systemic. So just reading from this article that came out today,

40:31 Just so you know where the New York Times is coming from. The New York Times has an agenda in this and it's not reporting, it is an agenda of grabbing the advertisers from YouTube as much as they can get And everyone who reports on this controversy in a way that they have been As left-right censorship, conservatism bias That's not the bottom line Follow the money $8 billion dollars and thats just YouTube If alienation was one ingredient in Mr. Kane's radicalization, this is from the New York Times and persuasive partisans like Mr. Molineux were another... The third was a series of product decisions YouTube made starting back in 2012 This is the genesis of how we got here today In March 2012 YouTube engineers made an update to the site's recommendations algorithm For years the algorithm had been programmed to maximize views by showing users videos that they were likely to click on But creators

41:25 had learned to game the system, inflating their views by posting videos with exaggerated titles or choosing salacious thumbnail images. In response YouTube's executives announced that the recommendation algorithm would give more weight to watch time rather than views That way creators would be encouraged to make videos that users would finish Users would be more satisfied with and you too will be able to show more ads This is what this story is about A month after its algorithm tweak, YouTube changed its rules to allow all video creators to run ads alongside their videos and earn a portion of the revenue they generated. Previously only popular channels that had been vetted by YouTube were able to run ads very key difference they went away from the vetting to the unvetted

42:13 The new algorithm worked well, but it wasn't perfect. One problem according to several of the current and former YouTube employees is that the artificial intelligence tended to pigeonhole users into specific niches recommending videos that were similar to ones they'd already watched Eventually users got bored Google brain researchers, I guess that's a division. Wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube and so this is where this article takes an interesting turn and starts to talk about reinforcement learning This was their new algorithm reinforce A huge success

42:49 And I watched this talk at an AI conference in February. Minmin Chen, a Google brain researcher said it was YouTube's most successful launch in two years site wide views increased by nearly 1% A gain that at YouTube scale could amount to millions more hours of daily watch time and millions more dollars in advertising revenue per year She added that the out new algorithm was already starting to alter users behavior We can really lead users towards a different state versus recommending content that is familiar. So it was very popular, lots of people watched but they were going towards areas that this article says claims was all this bad shit Bad people alt-right Nazis KKK quadroons the whole thing is just bad Why are they saying this? Because the advertisers have become very wary YouTube and Google isn't in an incredibly precarious situation

43:43 And I shall explain. One month ago, the upfronts were held in mainly in New York John you want to explain the television upfront process? That's where the executives go on up in front of all the advertisers and And affiliates, depending. Could be affiliates or advertisers or both and they give them the spiel for their upcoming season and what they're going to do on where the strengths are gonna be in where the weakness is gonna be what they're gonna look for and fill these slots advertising slots how they make so much money gonna beat the crap out of other networks because I really got it figured out

44:23 I think something like that. So we have the exact and that thing probably started with Yahoo years ago, Terry Semel and the Hollywood guy they started doing their own content We're gonna be just like television! We're going to be better well today that day is here And YouTube is coming in as a as a television provider And so this is just from one month ago. TV networks came out with a strong message as they courted advertisers at the annual upfront presentations in New York this week, digital may be hot and growing like crazy but TV can provide a brand safe space for ads as the tech world grapples with a series of privacy scandals and abuses of their platforms

45:04 And this of course is a CNBC article. These are all mainstream companies who want to fuck Google for a number of reasons, the main one being... Oh and Facebook! Well it's all of Silicon Valley but right now we're just focusing on YouTube makes it easier Companies including CBS, Disney, Fox, NBCUniversal and WarnerMedia pitched advertisers on their programming in promise of their own upcoming streaming services just two weeks after many of the digital players like YouTube and Hulu courted the same advertisers at the news front's presentations.

45:40 The networks positioned their own offerings as bigger and safer than the challenges. Are you starting to see what's happening? If you want to take these billions of dollars in advertisement away from your competitor, it behooves you to do news stories about controversies involving left-right Trump, Orange Man Bad... anything controversial! Anything! Advertisers will walk away from that. Particularly today's media buyers who are 20-somethings, they don't give a crap They just don't want to get in trouble. They can probably get a couple of floor seats for a game if they take business from this particular advertiser, they're not going to put their ass on the line for some place where some guy is calling this guy lispy queer. Yeah it's all cool and YouTube left him on... well they took away his ads but still it could slip into something could there be some other person who was doing like that? I'm a little bit worried. A couple other articles

46:41 So the title of that was TV networks pitch brand safety streaming to advertisers at upfronts. Here is the next article and this was just one, so and this is all... This is Reuters and this is from May 13th Three years ago the beginning of the end of the US television business looked certain when one of the largest ad buying agencies vowed to move a big chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets Let me repeat that. This is a Reuters article, it looks certain when one of the largest ad buying agencies vowed to move a big chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets The TV business did not die far from it instead data compiled by ad tracking firm Media Radar at Reuters request showed some advertisers are spending more on television networks online properties and less on Alphabet Inc.'s video service

47:39 The data partially explains why Google's parent had its slowest quarterly revenue growth in three years. Oops, I didn't mean to do that meant to hit the ding. This isn't... when you're talking eight billion dollars just from YouTube alone this gets people's attention This week the big US TV networks plan to drive the knife further into digital rivals repeating the phrase brand safety and exploiting YouTube's struggle to curb unsuitable content during the upfront ad sales period when TV networks preview the fall season for advertisers.

48:15 On stage and in private meetings, executives from Comcast Corp., NBC Universal, CBS Corp. Viacom say they are pitching themselves as one-stop shops because they have viewers on TV their own streaming services...and their own streaming services I think it's..I don't have to beat this horse anymore that the mainstream outfits creating as much panic and controversy and highlighting as many different controversies possible to screw these guys into oblivion who have been eating their lunch. This is, isn't a coincidence that these things happened the month ago in the past month this is where we've seen all the stepped up de-platforming demonetization? Which begs the question to me

49:04 What took them so long? They're idiots! They are idiots. And anybody who's worked in broadcasting, and you can... Anybody out there who's worked in broadcasting knows that you constantly talk about the management of radio station being the dumbest guys in the world and the management at television stations being the dumbest guys in the world. And then people go back from television to radio and back and forth, well I think that radio guys are dumber than the TV guys. Oh no, I think the TV guys are dumber but there's a theme, there's a constant theme they're all dumb

49:41 And they're scared. It's really disgusting that they are hiding their revenue quest and actually propagating derisive behavior amongst the public by making it all seem that this is censorship, it's left-right, it's the Silicon Valley bias. You know what it is? It's the bias of advertising executives, it's the fear and bias of advertisers themselves

50:20 Because of controversy, it doesn't matter what the controversy is but this is an easy one. All you have to do is that guy's alright Boom! Done. I don't want to advertise on them, you know why? Because one little thing could happen We've shown you examples of what can happen Alex Jones This has been going on for a long time and they're disingenuous And everyone including Glenn Greenwald is buying into that they're sitting there making decisions Oh let's get rid of this Crowder guy because he's alt-right First of all, they didn't get rid of him. They demonetized him which means you know what? We like the million views you get so we don't want any ads running on it but we like that our algorithms can make people click on stuff where we do have ads running and thats how

51:09 Blame it really is that they can't even admit to that, but they don't give a shit. They'll take anybody off in a heartbeat! Eight billion dollars in revenue doesn't come from a couple of big hits It doesn't work that way and my you cannot monetize the network is going to come true because you cannot monetize The long tail either its turning out because you can't police the content And Google, and I mean right now you see Twitter. Twitter it has turned on some algorithmic deletion tools And you can't have a conversation on Twitter anymore. You'll go to someone, and you've seen this in your timeline John? There's like someone tweets something... ...you go into the thread and it's like deleted, deleted not available, not available.... ..and these have all been removed! So they've broken their actual service! You cannot read a thread anymore because it has to be remove for advertiser safety Well I'm going to make a prediction

52:15 Not about what you were gonna say, which is pretty much what I thought. You knew you it's I knew you know I was going to do First of all and I wrote about this in PC magazine online probably a year ago Facebook and I'm throwing them in Twitter YouTube Everybody all those guys all the social networks with maybe the exception of LinkedIn, but even though they're kind of falling into it too with their little articles and crap that they publish there for free. These people are not just... They're not an open sewer. Well they are an open sewer but that's not what I'm referring to. They are technically publishers

52:59 In every way, I see no reason to think otherwise. And they do editing and they kick people off and they reject certain things that is all part of the publishing game. That's what you do when your publisher. They don't want to take full responsibility because there are some legal limits for what you can do or not doing you can get sued in certain ways, because especially when you have the big deep pockets of these monstrous companies that they do. I mean Google Alphabet, that's where I think they've been trying to divvy up the company in different ways so they could have a So they can be liable only in a kind of a pocketed area. But at the point where they have to finally bite the bullet and say, OK we're publishers, they are going to take these people that made lots of money on YouTube like there are people who've made $1 million dollars a year

53:48 Sure, even though it's possible a lot of it is fraud and there have been articles about that. And by the way to piggyback on what you just discussed if you go back to last year 2018 late in the year, starting probably in October. There were a lot of New York Times articles and you can look them up. In fact you can go do a search on fake YouTube views and you'll find that there was article after article starting actually even started in 2015 according to this little list I have here where they've named names saying these are fake views and I've known about this and you've known about it. And they still rack them up, and this was supposed to be the scandal that was gonna pull the rug out from under the YouTubers and everyone else that had advertising support. The advertisers are another group that's kind of stupid, and they paid no attention to these articles, and that's when the worm turned and they had to take this other tact which is the article that you're talking about

54:48 And that seems to be working. In other words, screwing the YouTubers and these other people on behalf of the old line publishers... The idea that it's all fraud didn't work! So now we got this other censorship thing going on there that seems to be working. In fact there was a I just want to discuss section 230 for for a moment because this is what gives what indemnifies these companies from being sued for, under tort law libel etc. There was an interesting article about Google and they were... maybe it was Googles or Facebook? And they were arguing in court let me see if I can find this here

55:42 about whether they had the right to do this or not and they actually, here we go. The Internet Association which represents Facebook Google Twitter and other major platforms claims that section 230 is necessary for these firms to quote provide forums and tools for the public to engage in a wide variety of activities that the First Amendment protects But rather than facilitate free speech, Silicon Valley now uses Section 230 to justify censorship leading to a legal policy muddle. For instance in response to a lawsuit challenging its speech policies Google claimed that restricting its right to censor would quote impose liability on YouTube as a publisher

56:22 In the same motion, Google argues that its right to restrict political content also derives from its First Amendment protection for a publisher's editorial judgments. So on one hand they say we're not a publisher and on the other hand they say we need to have the rights of publishers and I went back to look at section 230 And I've always thought that it was kind of the distinction between publisher or platform. It's not this thing was written in 1996 pastoring Bill Clinton's reign and there's you need two definitions one what is an interactive computer service

57:01 which means any information service system or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, specifically including a service or system that provides access to the internet and such systems operated or services offered by libraries or educational institutions. Which is just a comparison not a requirement And then the information content provider definition means any person or entity that is responsible in whole or in part for the creation or development of information provided through the internet, or interactive computer service. Here's the main part of the law

57:39 No provider or user, important of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. Meaning YouTube Google anyone where you post your stuff what we used to call user generated that's that's your problem right off the bat no matter what it is cannot be held liable yeah on the account oh here we go No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on the account of two cases.

58:19 any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider, or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy excessively violent harassing were otherwise objectionable whether or not such material is constitutionally protected. Or cannot be held liable by any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers, or others technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph 1. So it doesn't matter what they are! It doesn't matter! They have the right to cut, to restrict, to do whatever they want and so do you apparently because its user and provider

59:10 So there's no way that publisher or anything else comes into play here. Yet! Unless they are authoring the content now you can argue that an algorithm writes or restructures. No one's made that argument but it is an interesting one I think i could make the argument yeah, well as you mentioned its not a bad argument to make they have algorithms doing anything they are then authoring I believe that to be true if you have algorithm that can drive a car it probably write an article of course we know neither one works The point is these guys are publishers and someday this will be recognized in law

59:53 And they will, and the prediction I was gonna make is that at some point they're gonna get a clue and realize that as publishers which they really are anyway. That they don't have to do this piece of the action business with these people who are getting $1 million dollars a year? At all! They can just say hey we'll give you 50 thousand dollars just keep doing what your doin'. Yep no ads yep no ads Just do whatever you're doing so we can have people click other places for ads. But I think that's pretty limited because again, it is the controversy that sets advertisers off and its being exploited by the mainstream who are trying to get those advertisers

1:00:33 Sure. And finally got a clue it forever the mainstream is the one promoting these things. Why are you guys promoting this? I used to do this as a magazine, yes. PC Magazine would continually without any advertisers even taking part because Microsoft never advertised they kept promoting Microsoft products. And I said, why aren't we promoting all the competitors to Microsoft? Right because that will keep us in business in the future because you'll have a lot of different people that can advertise it'd be a richer environment now. Now, you know, Microsoft makes are pretty good so word got more promotion at one time there was like maybe six or seven GoodWord processors out there they all boil down to words There's nothing out there now this really competitive remember jazz

1:01:20 The Lotus Jazz Suite. Lotus jazz? Could never quite get it to boot right from the floppy. I think I still have a copy... So, the part that i take offense to is the mainstream who are disingenuously highlighting divisive arguments for their own benefit, to take the advertise- to scare advertisers away from doing business with Silicon Valley. I think they're doing a lot of damage to public discourse in the process of that and i think that's egregious to me and so I'd like to suggest a way to break them. And I've always been a radical because there is an inherent flaw They have a flaw all these companies have a flaw that can be exploited and will bring them to their knees

1:02:15 Interested? I am, but first I want to kind of re-up or kind of back you up with this look at this front page in the New York Times and just tell you what the headlines are. How can AI be weaponized to spread disinformation? Part of the same thing. This article shows up right under the making of a YouTube radical, which is what you were talking about, which also had kind of an overhead. It had like a section named Extremism Online. Perfect. You have WISE and then another one, the editorial board is writing an editor. Why is America so far behind Europe on digital privacy? Yep

1:02:58 Yep, so the whole thing is like targeting the tech community. So what's your thesis? Every company Facebook well the ones that matter Facebook Twitter Google or YouTube in this case and Google has a pretty damn good business with search they are now, they've been put on notice. They now have to make sure that everything that's uploaded that could possibly have ads... In fact they're not even doing it, they're just saying add yes or no That's probably what their looking at this point When you report something on Google Facebook or Twitter

1:03:40 If you report it with hate speech, which cannot be evaluated by artificial intelligence and is not being evaluated by artificial intelligence from all reports I've read. That has to go to human beings Report everything as hate speech. Every video, every tweet we need scripts We need browser extensions Everything needs to be reported as hate speech it will bring these companies down They will not be able to handle the volume It will create backlogs or create anger it will create people not understanding It will bring them down

1:04:25 Now, of course that means we get mainstream companies as our... It'll definitely not understanding because if you got your alert comes to your desk and you get the look at it. And somebody says hate speech, you'd have to watch the whole thing. They gotta watch the whole thing? Then you'd have to try this say what was the hate speech? You probably have to watch it again. This is... Yeah, you could really screw up the system No no! Not could. It has to happen. Look Professor Ted calls you he calls on you to stop the tech revolution slow it down this is if it wasn't for the It being it being very divisive in culture and people getting very angry at each other and fueled by this fight about For their dollars. I wouldn't care that much but now we just have to we got a kill him

1:05:19 You gotta kill them all. Everything, everything you see even from me! You see a tweet from your video? Report it hate speech! Everything that's the way and they'll get bogged down they will freak out they won't know what to do. Hate speech! Yeah well I look at the...I know the only time we get attention from Twitter when you report is if he puts abusive against a group or there are certain kinds of things let me check we probably exercise the system right now and look at Twitter, and report something. For example I'll just boot it up which I can do now and I will look at let's just take any old random thing here here's some from Sputnik they don't like them so i'm going to go click and I was gonna go report tweet and now its gonna say not interested in this tweet which doesn't mean anything is suspicious or spam but displays a sensitive images abuseful or harmful

1:06:26 And you probably have to click on as abusive. And then when you do that, it goes to its disrespectful dad and no big deal contains private information includes targeted harassment directs and this is a big one directs hate. It's what you're talking about against the protected category. That's what you'd click on. I think if you also clicked on threatening violence or physical harm, that would probably help a little bit. But... You have to be careful because... ...encouraging suicide. Yeah! You're going to eventually get kicked off by doing this too much. Because if you report fraudulently... I do it quite a bit. Yeah but not fraudulently No no mine are all legit of course Obviously

1:07:16 But hate speech, yeah it's like that's pretty open for interpretation. Yeah you could do it a few times everyone can do it a few times without getting kicked off keep them busy hold the tape of the show and they'll kick you off I'm pretty protected. I've got the checkmark You've got the mark of the beast is what you've got, you are anything but protected They have been waiting to kick your ass off for a long time One misstep Dvorak we're unverifying you It's like taking away your personality I never seen him...I don't know who has ever been unverified

1:07:56 Verification is not about... It has happened to... It's not like a knighting. Yes, it has happened to people that their checkmark got taken away What is the point? The verificationist is there for a purpose Not-it's to mean that the person who says who they say they are are who they are They unverified Milo Yiannopoulos before they kicked him off Which was funny! We laughed about it I don't remember them unverifying him Yes, they unverified him Well, that makes zero sense. Yeah well... In fact if he's not verified then maybe it's not Milo and why would they kick him off? They're kicking off some random guy! It doesn't make sense. I'm not going to rehash that of course it doesn't make sense. They're violating their own terms of service Report them for hate speech Devorah! They should shut down Before we go into our break since we took a little time on that there is some new information that I'd like to report

1:08:54 Regarding the Boeing 737 MAX 8, you know these problems with MCAS software that's the... we've kind of been through this how they changed the aircraft didn't make the changes clear to pilots. You know didn't really document them the way they could have been and then with one faulty sensor all kinds of things went haywire and 346 people died in two of these aircrafts Now, when Obama was president the FAA certification system The ODA, Organization Designation Authorization Program was being pushed very hard by the administration to fast-track sales of Boeing and to push through it push the pipeline as fast as possible. Under the program companies like Boeing were able to appoint their own representatives to act instead of the FAA inspectors

1:09:56 And I don't know if we talked about it in that to that degree at the time this was taking place. Not at the time it took place, We've talked about it since a little bit and there's been big complaints everyone is pointing their finger at Boeing inspectors Well in fact this put Boeing themselves in charge of certifying their software Right! And I want to play a quick clip here from Obama as he was...I think Well, it's not really important exactly what he was signing. It's what he says. I want to say make a special note to some of the small businesses that have been represented here because What we've seen is that when small and medium-sized businesses

1:10:39 can cut through the red tape and understand how to export, actually they can compete pretty well. And that's an area where we could make significant progress. Obviously big companies like Xerox or Boeing we want to keep on growing them because small businesses are up and down the supply chain when we sell a bunch of airplanes a lot of small businesses and medium-sized business are benefiting from that as well And indeed, Boeing donated $10 million to the Obama Presidential Library in Chicago.

1:11:37 But who cares? People dead doesn't matter. Thanks for the gold watch everybody! That's a pretty expensive gold watch Yeah, he just said it Can you imagine if any other president had said that I want to goldwatch I'm the best Boeing salesman I think Trump says he is the best Boeing salesmen often but he never asked for a gold watch And people died because of the administration's policies of having, it is just like the FDA. Having the companies themselves police themselves! What the hell are we paying you jimokes for? Yeah what's the point? It's called collusion

1:12:19 Collusion I tell you. Any collusion? And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage saying the morning to you the man who put the sea in commercial de-platforming John C DeVoree! In the morning to you and Mr Adam Curry in the morning to all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there... ...in the morning to the trolls in the troll room NoahJennerStream.com is where you can always participate in the conversation that goes on there and you can listen to the stream it is, there's always something interesting on the stream last night uh what do we have Nick TheRat out last night I don't think we had Nick I think he's still in Ireland this morning before the show started Darren O

1:12:56 There's great music, there's pod safe music. There's talk twook and there's trolling going on noagendastream.com Also in the morning to Darren O'Neill that there's his name twice in one show he brought us the artwork for episode 1145...1144 sorry title of that and that was a Thursday show was climate optimist And it was a you know we went for the cheap laughs Homeless hookers was the artwork It was just good Keep laughs if especially was done artistically is always a winner. There was something else we were going to mention about the artwork Was there something else? We're gonna say well, we were gonna talk about yes, we were gonna say something Do you remember what I don't remember what it was we talked about these things after the show in the postmortem and then we never talked about him Let me take a look at that list here of this stuff that's gone out there's the jockstrap That was kind of funny

1:13:54 Oh yeah, we did like the other artwork that you said was the deflated Mike Riley piece scissored. And the problem with that it was just didn't have enough other elements. It's a good piece I don't know... I don't think we had anything specific to say. Okay, now just had a note here remember to talk about it and I guess I didn't fill out the rest. Well obviously your note has to be more specific. Should work on that. I got a note here that says let's talk about this! Yeah exactly. All right uh... We do have some people to thank.

1:14:38 We have a top-heavy day today. We didn't get a lot of donations, but they all came in at the top so you'll see it in second half to we only have 35 people that donated out every 20 18 20 thousand twenty thousand thanks no yeah But we had some big ones like Lisa Donner keep this $1,000 And she says, you guys are the best. Top of the heap in my book wish I could listen more often play me something funny and keep it keep up to great work You guys rock! Lisa So this is an insta-daming? He never says that Uh...and i'll tell you why First of all, I know who this is because I only met her just yesterday Where'd you meet her where did you meet her? I met her online Oh well that's not Yes yes because she is the uh

1:15:31 I think, hmm... See the executive managing editor she is the number two head honcho at Liberty Nation. Oh! And she tweeted, she said this was a poll that we took so we didn't create it like you know PC Magazine would create those bullcrap polls. It was something where they just make it up? It's not PC magazine, its 99% of all publications The editors I've told and said this before the editors sit around usually at lunch to get a luncheon and they discuss who should be on the top ten Exactly. And there's always one joker that always wants to put some joke person in there Yeah, of course Of course I did it That's what you do So she said no this was a poll and and she's a big fan Lisa K Donner and She said I voted number one and I guess her photo editor She voted us as number one the people at Liberty Nation listened to us There you go

1:16:32 That's what going on. It is unnecessary but well for the show it is very necessary Miss Lisa Donna, thank you very much I would like to deign her but I don't know Should we just wait and see if she comes back with a name? Yeah, we'll wait because she may have some suggestions. It's not going to be a black knighting... No no it wouldn't be a black knighting but it is very nice show support Lisa. Yes especially since we already got number three! And she does ask for something funny keep up the great work you guys rock thank you very much I picked something funny for y'all so gonna give you some karma Cause you deserve it.

1:17:30 ABC, one two three baby you're not safe. You've got karma. Fitting? ABC easy as 1 2 3 racist as could be we are now alt-right everybody and thank actually if you look at the their mission statement they are not an alt right or necessarily conservative publication they claim to have libertarian correct Yeah, yeah kind of well you know there's so many different schools of libertarian. Who knows? That I myself who used to call myself a libertarian especially in the early days of shows stopped! Because it fits in anywhere now or when people started saying to me You're probably a libertarian that's what was like no No that's when I stopped they're like no but just the way you said that I don't want to be whatever you had on your mind

1:18:20 Yeah. I'm nothing, or are we unaffiliated? Technically because there's a fourth category in California you can be a libertarian, you can be subscribing to any of these Peace and Freedom Party Republican Democrat or independent when you get a ballot the independents have their ballot but there's the real category you want to be in unaffiliated yes And so you go into the voting booth and say, oh you're unaffiliated. Which ballot would you like? Yes I'm unambiguous Michael Mugler comes in second place. He's out of Fort Knox, Tennessee. You got a note from him? 635 bucks yeah he sent it check-in and he says please de-douche me this is long overdue donation you've been dedouched I'm calling this the F 35 donations $635

1:19:21 F-35, the fighter jet. If the Red Book is still a thing I would like... It's kind of a show thing but it's not for that we don't... We probably should have a wiki page with people just putting their own predictions in. Yeah. I would like to add the following July 2019 is the release of Top Gun 2 seeing that Tom Cruise has gone from being an American action hero to that of a global one. I predict the following. Oh, I can... Tom Cruise and I I'm going to encourage people to send their predictions in with large donations. Tom Cruise will be the poster child for global sales for the F-35, why else do we need another Top Gun movie? I can think of no other global actor better positioned that generate worldwide sales." Huh! So I am on board with that and I like the positioning yeah i like it a lot

1:20:16 My other request is of a personal one. I was medically retired from the Army back in 2013, last fall I received 100% permanent disability, permanent and total disability rating from the VA and I was keeping my fingers crossed for 50%. In light of this may I convert my title to... He's a sir by the way. So Sir Michael Mugler, he has been donated quite a bit until lately I want to convert my title to Sir Anthrax, failed vaccine tester. So we have to assume... Yeah well that's what you get if you get a full medical discharge you have to assume that considering the military shoots those guys up with everything

1:21:06 We have to assume he was a failed vaccine tester and he's got some ailment. He has anthrax! Army, as I start this new chapter in my life i'm glad to have you guys and this show to keep me grounded. Karma please support my July court date with social security to receive disability. Jungle request fear is freedom jungle I said jungle not jingle Fear is freedom. Thanks again for all the years of deconstruction and helping me deal with my changes in personality and loss of short-term memory, Michael. What? Holy crap! Sir Anthrax failed vaccine tester thank you so much! Facts of this world... And you will all surrender to them! You pigs and human beings! You've got karma

1:22:02 It's kind of like, wow man I know that because we get lots of emails from from service men and women who say oh yeah no they shoot us up with vaccines and then you know they have to come back two months later and so they couldn't find the paperwork that they just shot me up with some vaccines. They have to do them all over again when you're in the armed forces in these United States of Gibbon Nation? You are often a guinea pig Which is really not a good thing. It's not a good thing. Thank you for your courage. Check and make sure, well he's not on the upgrade list so you're gonna have to put him on manually because...

1:22:40 Oh, you mean the title change list? Yeah. Of course of course it was just Sir Mike wasn't he as far as I know? Ah yeah i think so. Your Mike Muggler It may have been something else but its fine hes going to be changed anyway Isabel Pearson $555.55 ITM Gents This donation is particularly important as according my subscription it will take me over the all-important amount Excuse Me Also Just ahead of the London meetup, which I'll be attending. Oh nice Yeah, it's gonna be at the Victorian Pub and over there by Paddington this is where we had a other meet up yes We decided to go for For sure thing so we probably just do them there forever yeah Why not and Wednesdays gonna? Be better than our tonight? We did a Friday or Saturday night It was packed

1:23:34 I've actually tried PayPal notwithstanding to donate consistently for as long as i can remember. Never totting up this amount, as I felt it was value for value and having a title wasn't so important my regular payments aren't linked to my subscriber amount but I'm going to make this one count claiming a title again is so appealing since I was denied listening to the show for a few months whilst in hospital She in the United States? No, she's British. She gets a pass on this language. Oh okay! Yeah that's right she is going to go to the meetup. Okay yeah whilst in hospital... I think you should say whilst Was that your first hospital visit since you left university? Thankfully making it good recovery how time flies as you two actually discussed me on show 317 for a humbling couple of minutes. Ohhh yes quarter dropping I remember sure

1:24:30 As I pointed out that I'd listened to you since the first show, you then felt that there were fewer female supporters. However, I was so proud that in your own words you stated that I had been found and identified The Female Listener! The first female listener in fact Anyway roll on Wednesday when I'll meet Tina and Adam Isabel And she's going to be Dame Isabel Pearson. Eric the Shill did put Lisa Donner on as a dame, I just feel that...I don't know we'll wait for her but Isabel is going to be a dame she had no specific name so perfect and look forward to meeting you in person on Wednesday wow that's 11 years? She's been listed except for a few months when she was in hospital and out of commission

1:25:20 That's great. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna get me a good meetup. Let me give some karma here Thank you very much Isabelle see you you've got Karma at the roundtable later and in In London at the meet up on Wednesday excellent well, maybe Eric got a note or something as possible from Lisa Did what does he have her being a day Dame Lisa Dame? We just do that yeah, I trust and she gives you once change your tally we can always change it okay So we'll just do Dame Lisa Donner and Dame Isabel Pearson. Okay good good. That's fine nobody has to get fancy and This is funny getting fancy Justin bis beset

1:26:01 in Watatosa, Wisconsin. Now somebody sent us a pronunciation gazetteer on how to pronounce all these funny names which are apparently old French. Was this name in there? I meant to print it out and stick up the wall. It should be! I don't recall. Watatosa... Birthday donation. Hello, John and Adam from Wauwatosa. Last year my wife Tiffany feel... You know when we first started doing this show in the first maybe the third season I got a note for somebody say you really do a wonderful job of pronouncing Wisconsin names because they're all crazy and now I'm condemned for being the worst at it

1:26:56 I don't think condemned is right. People just want to help you Last year my wife Tiffany Fielder donated for her birthday June 8th and asked for some health karma the health karma was for her brain surgery To deal with trigeminal neuralgia, I think that's a way to pronounce it if you happen to recall This is the disease that has nicknamed The suicide disease and causes pain to the face like a taser yes, I remember this yeah, I vaguely remember it It sounds horrid. I'll bet you she remembered! Well it sounds like, what is that thing you get from when you had chickenpox and later in life you get something else? Scales now... What's it called? Scales! You get gills! Somebody in the chat room knows what I'm talking about Yeah around your shingles

1:27:51 shingles, horrible pains. Scales, gills, I knew we'd get there! Well i'm very happy he continues well i'm very happy to report that yet again no agenda karma works she's been pain-free for a year and has been kicking ass at recovery on top of the health karma there must have been some jobs karma too because she now has a job she loves So here's the happy birthday to my smoking hot wife. Can you play a Sharpton clip? Shapeshifting Jew and a goat scream another dose of health karma would be appreciated too Thanks for all you guys do absolutely Justin we could not be happier This is this is a very good note And of course she's on Tiffany's on the list so will be congratulating her later, and I even pulled up a Fresh Sharpton diddy to play for you could this ultimately end up backfiring on the Republicans are

1:28:43 over jumping the runway here. Couldn't help myself. Roll up, roll up for the magical shape-shifting juice! Step right this way! Roll up! Roll up for the shape-shifting juice! The magical shape-shifting juice! A little illustration of magical shapeshifting views. You've got... Karma. There you go. That's a good catch by someone What?

1:29:24 The Sharpton clip. No, I... You're not watching this show! No no that's an old one it's an oldie but a goodie It is an old one Yeah i pulled it from the archives Oh well I don't remember it Well anyway that's it we don't have any associate executive producers for show 1145 That's something that hasn't happened often No, usually the other way around. That's very odd well the way we run this show is We like to thank as many people as possible for their support of the program It's how the value for value system works some people get value out of hearing their name and having their note read Most get the value out of what they get from the program and then telling us about it People want jobs karma health karma its all pieces of a network that you came up with we didn't

1:30:05 And we always like to thank, in fact very much like Hollywood our executive producers and associate executive producers up front. It's odd though that we didn't have any associates so it's $300 and above for executive 200 above for associate executive and we of course thank everyone over fifty dollars in our second segment I was thinking of something...an idea John just an idea Since we, you know we're not anti some of the taking some of the mainstream ideas such as you know executive producer. Executive producers put money into the project that's exactly what they do so it's a valid it's a valuable title and it works anywhere titles are accepted I have not been able to come up with a name for the studio yet and every show I'll get notes after the show

1:30:56 I really miss you saying, in the 5x9 Cluedio. Well i can't say that because im not in the Cluedio anymore. I was thinking if we just follow along with some of the mainstream things that we do like to emulate Such as knighthoods, you know that's very mainstream. It has been around for a couple thousand years. Well I have before we go on how about putting a little sign outside the doors and calling it the Tish Studios? Well you almost have what i was thinking studio naming rights We've got the Nokia theater, we've got everything has a name. This is a great idea and this by the way wasn't a network TV idea this came from one of the first places that evolved from was the San Francisco Giants Candlestick Park

1:31:46 Which was you know his name I forgot what the first day was now But they would became monster field and all these different things And it went from like hey, I'll give you $50,000 if you call your stadium. Okay We'll take it and then they realize that wait a minute and so they upped into half a million now I think as millions of dollars for naming rights in I'm not quite sure what their parameters are but I'd love to see like auction the the Nussbaum studio It could be anything like that. So it's something we need to work on, but I just came to me this morning like...I want to be able to call the studio something but why don't we just do naming rights? And they could be limited, they could be naming rights for one show, one week or a month—I dunno! It's just something to think about. Let's mull it over in the next meeting. Okay is the meeting over?!

1:32:36 That's how our meetings go. I got it pretty much yeah, I would like to read a note before we continue sure This is the one of our nights gonna be knighted today sir white noise mm-hmm Todd Moore's note. I just thought it was an interesting note and came through and I said that's kind of funny Because one of those insightful notes from a guy who doesn't care that he likes to reveal that he started at the CIA. Yeah, there's no big... My career started at the CIA while in college as a dude named Ben I eventually worked for director John Deuth or Dooth? George Tenet we know him. Oh wait a minute so this goes back awhile

1:33:17 Yeah, it does. One time my boss told me to swap out the green phone at an office located in the basement of headquarters... Let me just say, hold on if if my boss told me go swap out the green phone in the basement I'd be thinking they were gonna whack me! I wouldn't want to go down into the basement. You're like a wise guy whoever the one where Pesci goes in because he's gonna get promoted. Casino Yeah, yeah it sounds like it. The mafia got hit. One time my boss told me to swap out the green phone at an office located in the basement of headquarters This was an odd request because all the offices I supported were on top floors of HQ After navigating through a maze of narrow hallways I finally arrived and walked into the office

1:34:08 It was a small, this actually is a movie scene. It was a small dark room that had outdated furniture from the 50's Everything was old, including the man behind the desk who was smoking a fucking cigar like a boss. Ha ha! This is great. Headquarters has a smoke-free facility but this dude was just puffing away while his secretary who was just as old... ...was typing something out of her ancient typewriter I felt like i teleported back in time The old man, in what was probably an effort to brag about his former glory asked quote do you see those boxes? He pointed over to boxes with labels JFK Iran Contra and Roswell

1:34:59 What? Roswell?! Yes, Adam. Roswell! You get so many security briefings drilled into your head about the need to know policy that even though I wanted to know, I didn't need to know, so I didn't ask any questions. I have no idea who he was but it was my most bizarre experience there I would greatly appreciate a mention for my latest app playa pod playa pod player is like an i'm a player or play up play a pod. P-L-A-Y. Cause I got your playa pod right here. Like the playa, which is the best way to listen to the best podcasts in universe Noah Jen has been featured in Playapod since its inception. I'll eventually adopt your value for value model but for now it's a non moneymaking passion project you and Adam make an awesome team and I really enjoy them M5M beatings regularly give thanks for keeping us all sane please send me some mobile app karma

1:35:58 I'll check that out says specifically you have my permission to read my name and later on the show Todd Moore All right, Todd. Well thank you Thank You very much great story. I'd love to know more about this room With the Ross box of Roswell box in a playa pod yeah, I'll check it out. I'll tweet out a link to it later on Very cool, and thank you. And here is some play a pod app karma for you Thank you for your support of the show. You've got karma he will become a knight today And he was on the 20-month layaway plan Congratulations it does work

1:36:37 Thanks everybody for your support of the program, especially our executive producers we had today. We'll be thanking more people $50 and above in our second segment The next show will be coming to you from London in Gitmo Nation East the United Kingdom as The Keeper and I will be flying in on Wednesday for our meetup more about the meetups later On and of course you can support us at vorac.org Pretty sure you got a good dose of deconstruction on the latest adpocalypse go out propagate Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up! Shut up! Well, we've gone quite a while here and I don't believe you played a clip. Yeah well we have-we've played a few clips but we have been chatting a bit yes? Hold on hold on hold on hold on when we do this... ...I have to say your aircraft and then you say my aircraft so that i know that you have control

1:37:50 It's your aircraft. Okay, it's my aircraft good to go Here's an old Bob Hope movie clip from probably I think this is from the 40s Maybe the 50s but it just shows you that things do not change the way people like them imagine that they do You live here? Yeah, maybe you know what a zombie is when a person dies and is buried Seems a certain voodoo priest who will have the power to bring him back to life It's worse than horrible because the zombie has no will of his own you see them sometimes Walking around blindly with dead eyes following orders not knowing what they do. Not caring. Do you mean like Democrats? I've seen this one Yeah

1:38:39 Guess the bashing has been going on for a while. What year was that? That I don't know it's probably I'm guessing the Late 40s or 50s, it's a classic. It's a classic very nice classic hey, I think I'm right about the 2024 moon shot. It seems like that's bullcrap, like it's not gonna happen. Well Trump has already put the kibosh on it hasn't he? Yeah he is saying like no let's not waste any time on the moon to Mars! To Mars we must go oh please so here's how it happens someone goes Mr President you know about the moon thing

1:39:18 Yeah, this is problematic guys. Why don't you say Mars push it out a little bit? That'd be better for us You know could be you know mr.. President that I have a couple clips here for you Mr.. President This is Don Petit former NASA astronaut he has something to say I go to the moon in a nanosecond The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again." Yeah Mr President I think we should probably talk about something else with the moon because I don't think we can do it here's Gene Kranz the Apollo 11 NASA flight director. I haven't seen anything that indicates telemetry data is even in existence and as I said even if we had it we don't have machines to play it back

1:40:04 But your own research has shown the telemetry data is missing. That's right Oh, the telemetry data of all the moon is missing we can't even have a machine to play it but Mr.. President here's something from David Williams Dr. Williams is the archivist also known as hoarder at NASA Goddard Space Center surely he would know where all the tapes and the telemetry is film you're making now What is it? I mean, do you have a name for it yet? Did we go? Okay. Doesn't have an either. Right right right We've been unable to track it down

1:40:45 where this telemetry data ended up and we don't know what path it may have taken so unfortunately I'm afraid i can't really give you much of a clue as to as to where this data ended up and whether it still exists or not. It's on the cutting room floor with the rest of all the movie theater crap Ye of little faith. Yeah, I have very little faith. Very little faith! What i do see is I see Bezos showing his landing module and he shows it in a beautiful CGI animated thing that looks pretty real so at least they're getting that part right

1:41:24 Well, they did. They do have a fallback thing they're gonna do to get your attention Oh and that's this clip that says trips to the space station Yeah want to go into space NASA said today It's gonna open the International Space Station two tourists might happen as it was next year But it won't be cheap private companies Boeing and SpaceX are expected to charge get this up to 58 million dollars And that's round trip guess how much room in board is $35,000 a night. Yeah and you have to be there for 30 days. Oh cool sounds boring It sounds extreme I mean it sounds really cool i'd love to blast off and sit up there for a bit but after You know couple days we're like all right adios mofos. I'm tired of pooping in the bag If you don't mind me go home And when I go home

1:42:21 And you know, they have to do psychological things with these guys who are the astronauts and the women. They're all tested to death and gone through, you know, center of, you know, this is thing that spins them around and, and they did get a psychological testing because not everyone's equipped to be up there cause it is boring and you gotta, you're stuck and he gotta poop in that thing that sucks at Addy as some vacuum device into his spine spit floating around inside. I mean, there's a lot of things that you have to deal with and it's not for the general public is not like going to Disneyland. No, but some jerks will go up there

1:42:57 You can count on it. There's more than a few billionaires where 50 billion bucks maybe plus expenses... Well I think your initial comment is correct, it's a great distraction since there will be no moon landing in 2024 telling you right now is not gonna happen. I'm willing to do the show until 2024 just to prove it Yeah, yeah. Stubborn guy just to celebrate. Hey there's one story that did kind of annoyed because I went to ABC CBS public and went all over the place. There's a C six week cycle event yes that took place in New York New York City Yes mm-hmm and only CBS the CIA broadcasting system was the only ones who reported it

1:43:41 And it was somewhat annoying because it's a really good event, but it follows the same old pattern where the FBI found some guy. It took him about a year to get this guy to radicalize the guy even though they should just put them on YouTube apparently would have radicalized himself in just a few videos. But besides that, it took him about a year to get the guy to do all of things he needed to do and as soon as finally arrested for buying a gun from another agent and this is the story never really got a lot of attention I gave me a lot of it. I liked it go. Courses tell CBS News the FBI keyed in on Ashakwal Alam based on suspicious social media activity and reached out to him in August 2018 over 10 months of clandestine meetings with an undercover officer, Alam praised al-Qaeda and ISIS wait a minute so there were suspicious

1:44:32 Social media activity instead of going over to this guy and saying hey, bro Could you stop the suspicious behavior because you're looking a lot like an ISIS? You know just confronting him. No no no that would be policing Trying to keep them. You know the public safe You don't want to do that you wanna make it worse yes Over 10 months of clandestine meetings with an undercover officer, Alam praised al-Qaeda and ISIS. According to court papers, Alam said the September 11th attacks were a complete success and it was the duty of Muslims to make a new leader. The 22 year old Bangladeshi immigrant from Queens zeroed in on attacking New York City. Alam said he wanted to use suicide vests or AR15 rifles in an attack on Times Square

1:45:22 He and the undercover agent went on several reconnaissance runs there. Alam said a successful attack would make them legends Prosecutors say Alam also expressed interest in other New York City landmarks including attacking the Freedom Tower with a rocket launcher Jerry Hauer is the former head of New York State's Department of Homeland Security With somebody like this, you try and keep him under surveillance as long as possible to see if he's tied to a network. In a sting operation yesterday, Alam purchased two Glock handguns with the serial number scratched off from other undercover officers He was then quickly arrested

1:46:00 A judge ordered Alon Hell saying he posed a danger and he wasn't just talking big David sources Tell us the FBI believed. He was committed enough to carry out an attack his public defenders have not yet commented Hold on where's the rest of the story about the network that they uncovered because they kept this guy strung along for 10 months There's no network is just a there was a network Well they said that he literally said we'd like to do this so that we can find out if there's a network behind it but it took him 10 months. That is what he said, but they didn't find one? No! It was a lone wolf So we received information years ago that every six weeks or so and such FBI likes to do one of these or at least go an arrest someone who's like hey boys six week you got time

1:46:49 So they can keep their resources, their budgets and be relevant in the counter-terrorism game. Because there's a lot of different players in government and they need to keep their budgets and their position And that's why they do this I was reading a similar affidavit the other day which also belongs in The Cycle but I didn't put it in show notes because this was a pedophile network they unraveled And they do that too, yeah. And they kept this one guy going with an undercover informant and... Oh no! This is the Dr. Pizza! This is the guy who wrote for Ars Technica! Talk about a guy who's a creep? But if you read the transcript of him thinking he's communicating with the mother—the mother of an 11-year old—how stupid is this guy

1:47:41 on kink D or whatever the social... Kinky D, I never heard of this site. It's gotta be a kick! And so the undercover informant which is in this case an FBI agent is talking about oh yeah you know my daughter could probably handle the tip I mean if your how sick are you that you're trying to I mean that's it actually the first time in my life. I actually almost felt physically sick just reading the FBI is doing that with these people to entrap them The guys are creep yeah, it's it's a stick in a lot of different ways But you've got to see a video of this character. Oh no. I've seen pictures this guy oh No pictures don't do him justice

1:48:25 You have to see a video of him. He is like, he is just like a stereotype weirdo and he's like a tech reviewer. Yeah. Geez. Well so yeah anyway back way back to the other thing I had to say something about that clip. So this guy wants to do suicide bombings who doesn't give a shit about the future? I mean he's obviously just a loser that's easily cajoled into doing this you know blowing up New York if it could. Why does he need to buy Glocks that have the serial number removed? Excellent point. What difference does it make if he's gonna go down in flames, I totally agree

1:49:11 So that they put that little bit in there to I think it was just thrown in to be like, oh That's how bad he is biting. It also throws the gun argument Oh serial numbers been erased from the guns Yeah There's been a lot of anti-gun subtle and weird anti guns stuff going on Such as I don't discuss this any further but I'm I've noticed it Alright, I have a couple Green New Deal clips that are worthwhile Okay. The first is a news and new airline a new Swedish airline called brah BRA BRA yeah Yeah, yeah, you can make the jokes don't worry the clip includes the joke too So it's bruh and bra has a new class that you can fly environment class

1:50:05 And I think, well this clip is from a YouTuber who is an influencer and he has the Harry & David endorsement stuff. So I'm pretty sure they invite a lot of influencers to take one of these flights on Braa so hopefully they would talk about it. And so this kid...and I think he's Swedish He's doing his little YouTube bit, but just listen to what he is selling and what Bra indirectly is selling and how people are falling for this. So today's airline is not only a flying bra it also happens to be the world's most eco-conscious airline We love a sustainable bra! So today I booked a class that I've never flown before I've flown economy premium economy business class and first class

1:50:50 What? where you get to fly on biofuel for about $30 extra. So the ticket to Stockholm is already only about $50 for adults, and then you add another $30 and your flying on a fully climate compensated sustainable biofuel ticket." Okay hold up... so for 80% of the cost of the ticket you add on from 50 euros you add on 30 euros You're fu- you are convinced that you are now fully

1:51:27 What do you call it? Climate compensated? Climate compensated, completely eco-friendly. They got two... they're talking about some... what?! This is a bullshit story! Well hold on we'll get to it. Climate compensated sustainable biofuel ticket not only that but the flight is served by a propeller plane just super environmentally friendly I want you to know a propeller plane is super environmentally friendly. Listen, brah! Propeller planes use the same engine, it's a jet engine. It just has propellers on the outside and not much environmentally friendly. So with all those things combined this is the future of eco-friendly domestic flying and I'm so excited about it! I do have a lot of anxiety about the environmental impact my flying has

1:52:20 So since the start of this year, I've climbed my compensated all my trips But it feels really good to be flying an airline that actually goes even further. Even though bra has a stupid name They're doing something very very well and I think it's nice that they give every passenger the option To add The environment class to their ticket because It makes people put their money where their mouth is if you care about the environment but he still want the efficiency applying Gotta pay up So this is great because he's buying into it and I think a lot of young people will buy into this idea that oh if I can pay my way out of it which is what we're being taught with the Paris Accord and everything you can pay your way out of this problem. What you're doing, Is you are not solving anything You are literally purchasing a credit The right for this company This bra company to pollute To the degree

1:53:16 that you fly. So, and I don't...I think you're probably overpaying for that but okay so your ticket was 50 you're paying 30 to give them a credit that allows them to pollute. So you're not stopping pollution? You're giving them a credit this credit is not something they pay for in full it is tradable this credit! You are giving them extra money they can trade this like giving him like his share of stock or a foreign currency that they can then use in other ways. You're being ripped off and you're believing that you're solving something, and it's sad." Yes. I thought you wanted to say something but guess not? Well, I was just looking at the various fuels again trying to re-familiarize myself with the fuels of these turboprops which are... It's the same! It's Jet 1A. It's the same fuel. And engines with a... Well there apparently some turboprops run off of Avgas too

1:54:15 Turbo, well yeah okay. Second clip this guy by the way a couple of things that stood out to me it's very weird I the first time i flew on any of the Nordic air carriers which was Icelandic uh I noticed that they had two classes as a service had business and then they had economy And then I think I've flown on Finnair and you have this same kind of situation. They do not have first classes in these areas, and I asked about this. And they said we as a culture, we don't believe there is such thing as a first class. We're not a classes society. In fact the Swedes above all are egalitarians which is one of the reasons they're having so much trouble with their migrants because they believe that as egalitarians everyone's equal

1:55:08 And, you know, so that's why the old stories about you should read everyone. If you go to Sweden and you should definitely read one of the sociology books or cultural anthropology books about this week. So you have a feeling for what it's like and they don't, they just like the idea is that the boss gets the coffee for the secretary more often than not. And when I heard this, the operation has a first class is what he said. Yeah, I'm thinking this is bull crap Environmental class he didn't say it had a first. I said there was a first-class no He said he's flown the first class Okay, so it wasn't this week. It's okay. No you jumped out at me. That's all right So there's an outfit that is promoting? it's all part of the same former Bernie bro people is promoting the Green New Deal and This outfit is called new consensus

1:56:03 And they seem to be in business only to promote the Green New Deal. So this is an ally of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and whoever else sponsored the resolution which did not get passed, but she was interviewed recently Then I just thought that her numbers were interesting. You know, we've heard Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez say that this is our World War II within 12 years it's not going to matter she's walked that back saying you have to be stupid not understand that was a joke or whatever it was so here is the... Tell that to the kids! Here is Rihanna Gunwright

1:56:46 And she is the policy director of New Consensus. CNN SSRS poll indicates that 82% of Democrats say that aggressive action on climate change is necessary How do you get this? I mean, there's so many things if you talk to voters out there There are so many things they're concerned about right now health care and gun violence and immigration and the economy. Climate change is obviously up there, it's often number one two three or four but how do you make the argument that it needs a separate discussion? Why not healthcare?

1:57:24 So in the issues that you just brought up, climate change is one of the main drivers of our public health. The difference between say 1.5 degrees of warming which is the least that folks think we can get to 2, you're talking about 150 million deaths. That's 25 holocaust right? How is not a health issue how is it not about healthcare Oh baby, I love it! 25 holocausts. 400 thousand Hiroshima bombs It's crazy Right? You're talking about immigration climate change is going to bring hundreds and millions of Climate migrants of climate refugees both from outside the USA

1:58:07 and inside the US as you see people move. So even the issues that you outline, all of them are affected by climate change and how you decide to deal with climate is how you decide to deal with all these other issues." 25 Holocaust John we have a new peg on the board! 25 Holocausts... That's what it's going to be let's see if this meme gets anything? If it goes anywhere right she would say right Right. Now let's go to some serious news because we've obviously been playing a YouTube clip, this was a CNN clip now Let's go to NPR NPR is very serious and they always like to bring in people who are you know know a lot about climate They know it all about science and in this case let's talk about Climate and well really the question is is climate affecting mental health?

1:58:59 You got to listen closely to this. The kicker's at the end, but here is NPR. Climate change is having a big impact on human health and mental health specifically That's the bottom line of a new report from 27 European academies of science But exactly how something as big as the climate crisis affects mental health Is a question that Helen Barry wrestles with every day She's a psychiatric epidemiologist and a professor of climate change and mental health at the University of Sydney in Australia. Professor, it seems almost intuitive that climate change could affect our mental health but is there actual evidence that that's true? So the short answer is yes, of course And the long answer is no It's incredibly difficult to do this kind of work partly because climate systems themselves are extremely complex

1:59:49 and partly because mental health is also extremely complex, and bringing those together makes a very huge and difficult puzzle. But I think it's really important to apply some common sense here which is what you implied in your question, and also to understand how we can go about approaching this problem so that we can eventually get the scientific answers that we want. Did you just understand what she actually said there? Yeah, she says that we gotta approach this so we get the answers that we want. Yes! She's a scientist! Well, that's what the climate...that's a whole climate model. The whole climate change argument is based on these dubious and everybody knows this they're dubious computer models and you keep tweaking them till you get the answers that you want. That's what going on. It's so obvious she just said it I just want to hear it again! Important to apply some common sense here which is what you implied in your question

2:00:48 and also to understand how we can go about approaching this problem so we can eventually get the scientific answers that we want. Oh my god, because first she says yeah of course it affects your mental health now we gotta back into something so we could prove with the answers we want! Yeah, this is the science community but 2019. Hello 97% of all members 97 percent of everybody in the world is on board with this It's it's kind of frightening well Jay Inslee's on board he's the guy He's the single issue Democrat who's not even on my list and the contenders memo because he's just a phony But he's the governor of

2:01:34 Washington State and his whole thing. He's a one issue candidate, and his issue is that we're all gonna die tomorrow if it's the-if we don't do something about climate change And that's all he cares about period and now he's irked because the Democratic National Committee Is not going to do a special debate on climate change? And so they apparently thought this guy such a lunatic That they said if you even DO A DEBATE climate change outside of the DMNC parameters? You're banned! Washington governor and 2020 presidential hopeful Jay Inslee says the Democratic National Committee is refusing to schedule a candidate debate on the climate crisis. Inslee said Thursday he was told by the DNC that if he participates in any non-DNC affiliated debate on the climate

2:02:20 He would be disinvited to future debates held by the DNC. Inslee called the move a deeply disappointing attempt to blacklist candidates. He said in his statement, quote, "'The DNC is silencing' the voices of Democratic activists, many of our progressive partner organizations and nearly half the Democratic presidential field who want to debate the existential crisis of our time," Inslee said." Well, that's interesting. So who is actually stopping this debate? The DNC? The honcho? Yeah the DNC whoever is running it... there's a guy who was running it and they have a little committee and they said no we can't do this. They're orchestrating everything and they see this as like some sort of a sideshow

2:03:03 that's going to be mocked by the Republicans and the independents out there. And they know why they can't do it, this guy is too dumb to see it because he seriously thinks that this is a topic of the day! A winning issue... Have you been following? We had Iowa this weekend. I guess everyone... we have the first debates for the Democratic primary, which is how the Democrat Party will choose their candidate to run against presumably Trump makes sense and so the debate start end of this month I think 24th or 27 something at the end of the month now So people are ramping up getting ready two days two days two days of debates

2:03:50 I guess since the weekend where everyone was there. Is this some kind of thing in Iowa, some Democratic poohow schlockenlock and ding dong that everyone is there? It's for the Iowa caucuses which is a primaries which is next year They're going there just to brown nose the public. So when does that actually happen? When do the actual primaries take place, is that next year's not even this year? Next year! Geez so there's plenty of time for Stacey Abrams to still get in Yes you have your prediction I'm good yeah good to go for at least uh i'd say a month

2:04:33 And even though there's a year to go, I don't... that's your prediction. Not mine. Well, I believe that the first debates are important for one other reason which is to get this really straight now. It's for comedy! It's for comedy! That's what it is. Comedy gives you some funny stuff but it's gonna be kind of staid. This could be staid. That'll be funny for us and we'd like that? It's going to bring out the losers and the winners. It's gonna make the picture a little more clear and it should trigger Hillary jumping in because she's gonna say that well look at these losers. They suck they're not gonna beat Trump I already beat him once let's put me back in I can just see Bill sitting home right now like holy crap man, I really miss I'd really dodged the bullet once again She she offed her brother

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2:13:04 It probably won't be for tomorrow's show, but I'm leaving the honors to her as she wanted to do this. She and Zach were also at the Austin meetup." Yes, I remember? There were five people who emailed us said they were coming who didn't show but... "...the weather today was just phenomenal 80 degrees no wind i rode my motorcycle to the meet up a lot of people might have opted for other outdoor activities and i made the mistake of having on the same day as SoonerCon which is Oklahoma's comic con and we lost at least one person to that But everybody thanked me profusely for setting it up and we're very happy to be there I think the ones who didn't come really missed out. Hopefully they can make it next time Thanks for making impossible No, thank you Derek and everyone who was there at the Oklahoma City meetup And it's a great way to get together with people who you already have a connection with inside jokes and no triggering It's perfect got a note from The Pittsburgh meet-up with some money

2:13:59 Oh. Bill Patterson, Joel Eric, Sir Ryan with 5510, Chris and Jen happy birthday to someone him I think. Wait so they did a collection at the meetup? Yeah it's first time we've seen that That's fantastic thank you So there was a check we included in there uh the uh and i guess uh There's a birthday card but this note is very needs to be a little more detailed so In the future people are going to send us stuff It'll be a little more because we could probably put I guess it would be Chris on to the list for birthdays, but I don't have any details. So I can do it Okay so more details when you send in the reports Thank you and I will be doing the details the reporting For the June 12th London meetup that will be on Wednesday Tina the keeper knife flying an early on Wednesday morning

2:14:49 6 o'clock we'll have the meetup. Check out noagentomeetups.com for the exact location and time, six o'clock on the 15th We will not be there but there's a meetup in Copenhagen July 4 Seattle Washington The 9th of July Knoxville Tennessee that's gonna be a blowout No doubt July 13 Atlanta Georgia July 20 South West London I don't know how southwest it is. But again, NoahJennaMeetups.com is where everyone can find out... ...where the meetup is, where you need to go or start one yourself! July 20th also Buffalo New York so check that out It's a great thing to be apart of I wish I could do a lot more and once we're back from this honeymoon which is going to be very short

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2:17:56 Well worth it. Dvorak.org slash NA, thank you for supporting No Agenda another show on Thursday coming to you live at least half of it from London Good news or bad news? Can always use good news Well I think this qualifies as both scooters in Nashville Back now with the growing trend of travel and the growing danger it may bring. Electric scooters speeding down roads and sidewalks, at least 11 deaths reported since the beginning of last year Tonight The Mayor who's had enough and what he is demanding Here's ABC's Marcia Gonzalez

2:18:32 Tonight, leaders in yet another American city threatening to ban electric scooters concerned about the danger to riders and pedestrians. They're everywhere they block sidewalks The mayor of Nashville says there are now 4,000 scooters in his city saying he wants them off the streets if the seven scooter companies operating there don't address safety concerns I'd love to see them fit into Nashville, but the way it is operating in Nashville right now we just have too much risk associated with it. This video showing the risks riders are taking this man in Nashville on a scooter with a child on his back and just last month a 26 year old man died there hit by a vehicle while riding a scooter Brady Gahlke's family starting a petition to outlaw them so he quote is the last victim of what they call an epidemic

2:19:22 Across the country, The Associated Press reports there have been at least 11 electric scooter deaths since the beginning of last year. And Consumer Reports tallying 1500 scooter-related accidents from just 47 cities since late 2017 So where's the good news? Where is the bad news? Well it's good news for the public that some mayor actually has a backbone and he's concerned about these scooters. And the bad news is for these stupid scooter companies It's all built into one clip. I don't know if we did I read that of which we talked about on the show but one of our producers sent a note in He was at a conference well, I think was the ADA American Disability Act type conference with lawyers and they're all going after the scooter companies for the blind because these things are left on the sidewalks and it's very difficult for those experiencing

2:20:19 sightlessness, if I'm trying to say it the right way. To navigate around them! Yeah good point. It's especially with the bikes... The scooters is one thing but the bikes you walk by they get caught on them and trip over then fall down. It's a nightmare and Austin I guess we know they postponed all of the homeless votes for the because overturning the panhandling ordinances They chickened out on that so they pushed that vote off, which would effectively make it legal to panhandle in any manner next to a school or bank, bus stop anytime of day. But they have allowed these scooters and bikes... I don't know about the bikes but the scooters to be on sidewalks, to be driven on sidewalks We have two very large schools for the deaf in Austin, very famous

2:21:16 Think about how dangerous that is when you cannot hear anything coming up behind you. And you can barely hear these things anyway, so I think we got roads for a reason Who am i? I have a clip blitz if you want it well let's do it after this Yes We love our dogs! I'm going to break the wheel. If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, You're familiar with the direwolf The popularity of the creature in the fantasy world creating consequences in the real world. I'm Jerome Flynn for Peter

2:21:54 You might also know me as Bron from Game of Thrones. More and more huskies are being bred and bought because of their resemblance to dire wolves." That surge in breeding has also led to a surge in abandonments. A lot of huskies and husky mixes have been coming Animal shelters in both Monterey and Santa Cruz counties are reporting a massive increase in the number of huskies. The Santa Cruz County animal shelter says right now they have six huskies, and that's the most they've ever had. And it's happening all over the state with very similar stories take Dakota here for example she is a year old People often get these dogs as puppies because they're so beautiful, but they don't really understand the maintenance that goes into taking care of these dogs as they get older. This isn't the first time we've seen pop culture impact shelters. The chihuahua's when Paris Hilton had her first Chihuahua 101 Dalmatians came out it seemed like there were a lot of Dalmatians But now its happening to Huskies and a rise in surrenders means more euthanizations

2:22:55 Yeah, this is very typical of our culture. Oh man such a cool dog let's get one and the dog turns out to be pooping machine eating you out of house and home like yeah Let's get rid of this dog But wait There's more In Texas the movies have gone to their dogs It is the world's first ever dog friendly movie theater Eric Langford started canine cinema Can you believe this? has a unique place for people and pooches Best friend bear is his partner of course. My heart is overwhelmed with joy because I did this to make me happy Yeah, you're gonna have no dates bro, and now it's making other people happy so everybody's loving Six nights a week for 15 bucks in five four Sparky You can see a flick and enjoy a bottomless glass of wine wine and dogs Why bring your dog?

2:23:52 Why not? That's the real question. Really? Why not? Movies vary from modern hits to classics, maybe even a dog's journey from time to time He loves just coming here because he gets to play with all the other dogs too The candy counters are even stocked with doggie treats No one has ever been busted for smooching in the dark but some nuzzling goes on For the most part, the pups sit stay and watch And here's a doggone good idea. Local shelters often on hand with pets for adoption. Yeah, okay fine. Uh yeah they charge five bucks extra for the dog and uh... They don't even do that for kids when you bring kids into theater which I'm also against babies Well well you hate dogs so that makes sense- I DO NOT HATE DOGS

2:24:47 I hate dog owners who treat them like humans, like children, like human beings. Well everybody hates that! Well that's all...that's my whole point. I don't hate dogs you've given me this rap which is unfair. I know i have. I just want to see how nicely it speaks. But now I'm getting for some reason... See how you wear it? It's really..at one point I said I'm tired of eating chicken breast And now somehow in my own house, oh you don't like chicken. I do like chicken! No no no... I can cook some pretty decent chicken dishes but i'm sick of chicken. Well I got sick- just I was sick of chicken breast You should be sick of it's a dumb meat It's a dumb meat? Please please explain how is it a dumb meat Well for one thing it's made from chickens

2:25:39 Okay. I mean, come on! Can't we find something better to eat than these stupid birds? Oryx, baby. Oryx! Dogs eat people too. Or maybe just try some dog meat? I don't know is dog meat tasty the Chinese can't be totally stupid Well the Filipinos also eat dog meat and i think i've had dog meat i don't i'm not can't say for sure but i believe i have and it's fine i mean i think horsemeat a little better i like horse me i'm all for the horsemeat what you have my horse meet story ever tell my horse meat store when i was you know i'd love to hear your horsemeat story So I'm in Slovenia, hanging out with the publishers. The publishers of Playboy and most of the magazines they were going to pick up PC Magazine and publish a Slovenian version. And there...I got a great tour of the country. There's something I've noticed. In fact Eric De Schill went to Finland and he said when you're in Finland get some of this reindeer meat it's absolutely fantastic! He says never saw any

2:26:44 And I realized that many European countries that eat kind of offbeat stuff, they never admit it. They won't let you see it. What reindeer or dog? Like you know, you can go to Scandinavian countries are Nordic countries and you find that you'll see a ranger meet all over the measures but these guys will never take your place and serves it. The one time I went to Finland Sir Luke took me to a restaurant where we had reindeer meat. In fact, they brought out the picture of the damn beast before they killed him and his name and everything. So what'd you think? Oh dynamite! It's dynamite. It was very bloody meat but it's dynamite. Some of the most beautiful meat I've ever tasted though it was yeah it was good I liked it a lot Yeah it's very good And it goes curiously

2:27:35 I was up at some restaurant way north in Finland and this woman, this French woman who served a lot of reindeer steaks. She had a huge collection of Beringer private reserve cabernet which she insisted that we have with the reindeer and the match was unbelievable! So anyway so...so I'm in Slovenia and these guys reticently say do you ever eat horse meat? And I said yeah I've had horse meat tacos Tijuana, they're fantastic. I like horse meat. Was that at the donkey show? No, I never went to the donkey show and so

2:28:16 It was called the Blue something, for the name of the place. It may have been just a myth anyway so they said oh well there's a restaurant here that specializes in it and he said we don't really eat much yeah you know they're downplaying it but if I want to go and have some horse meat just to see what it was like is they'd be good...they'd relent! And GO! So we go to this place And they order this, and advised me to order this sirloin steak horse. Which I never had just a big horse steak. The thing is the size of the plate!

2:28:54 The worst part was that this particular cut was dense. So it had kind of a dense quality, like it was tasty but it had a dense liver-like quality and so I'm trying to plow through this thing with these guys who never eat horse meat and so I'm trying to get through the steak and I'm getting about 1 3rd of the way through and I am stuffed! I look around, these three guys, three of them. They plowed through this giant steak like there's no tomorrow and say to me are you gonna eat that? And they glom it! So they love the horse meat in Slovenia no matter what they tell you Anyway do have a clip blitz so seven clips all under 30 seconds Red 33! Blitz

2:29:48 Democrat weirdness regarding taxes. The Democratic chair of the House Ways and Means Committee is coming under fire from his own party after he told Bloomberg News he has no plans to use a recently passed New York state law to acquire President Trump's tax records. Congress member Richard Neal says he's worried the request would quote bolster Trump administration arguments that Congress is on a political fishing expedition. Red 33! Red 33! Clip blitz, clip blitz Tax returns to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has defied congressional requests to turn over Trump's tax records and Trump remains the only president or major presidential candidate in modern US history to refuse to make his tax returns public.

2:30:38 Nadler's plan plus weird Pelosi quote. Democratic House Judiciary Chair Gerald Nadler is preparing to subpoena special counsel Robert Mueller within the next two weeks, that's according to Politico which also reports Nadler is privately pushing Democratic leaders to open a formal impeachment inquiry against the president during a closed-door meeting Tuesday house speaker Nancy Pelosi reportedly pushed back saying Trump should be quote in prison but not impeached Weird. Sudan news, important. The African Union has suspended Sudan's membership after soldiers with the ruling Transitional Military Council opened fire on sit-in protesters Monday killing at least 108 of them and wounding more than 500 others in

2:31:24 In a statement, the AU said Sudan would remain suspended until a civilian-led transitional authority is established. Sudan's military took power in April after a monthlong popular uprising that led to the overthrow of the longtime authoritarian president Omar al-Bashir. YouTube, YouTube current bans. YouTube announced today that it will remove thousands of videos and channels with white supremacist and neo-Nazi content from its site the video streaming company will also bar any videos denying well documented events like the Holocaust ever happened

2:32:02 The move comes amid growing criticism that online services allow and sometimes fuel hate speech. I think he said you turd. Red 33! Cuba ships banned It's about to get more difficult to travel to Cuba today the Trump administration banned cruise ships departing the US from stopping there in order to punish Cuba for supporting the Venezuelan government commercial airline flights are not yet effective Last clip home food delivery twist so the online delivery wars have a new battlefield you might say your refrigerator Walmart said today It's testing a new service delivery workers will actually put groceries in your refrigerator when you're not home They'll wear a camera, so you can keep an eye on them apparently it uses smart technology to let you in That's a good blitz John we haven't done one like that in awhile. I was good. I liked it

2:33:02 Outstanding. So they're gonna let you... Who, what idiot is going to have home food delivery where the guy plows into your house? Although if you think about it in old movies you see that this used to be common back in the 20s and 30s I guess. Sure there was trust Trust. There was trust, there was trust well there's a couple things we haven't discussed that I do have a clip for number one would be the tariffs do not go into effect from Mexico on Monday apparently we have a deal here is the Spanish interpretation of the key point

2:33:39 as done by the Spanish official who did the announcement in English. And a key finding of the Mueller report, Ukrainian business... Fail! Of course that's not what I meant. That would be this one The United States will immediately expand implementation of existing migrant protection protocols across its entire southern border This means that those crossing the U.S. southern border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to Mexico, where they may await the adjudication of their asylum claims."

2:34:15 In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals for humanitarian reasons in compliance with its international obligations while they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will also offer jobs, health care and education according to its principles." The United States commits to work to accelerate the adjudication of asylum claims and to conclude removal proceedings as expeditiously as possible. Further actions

2:34:53 Both parties also agree that in the event the measures adopted do not have the expected results, they will take further actions. Therefore, The United States and Mexico will continue their discussions on the terms of additional understandings to address irregular migrant flows and asylum issues to be completed and announced within 90 days if necessary So that's straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. So it sounds pretty much like what was announced except for this tweet from the president saying that Mexico is now going to buy more of our farm goods or something?

2:35:38 I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe all I know is two things, I know one, I do have a clip on asylum rule changes but before that the New York Times of course throws a wet blanket on this after the fact saying ah this was done deal last year and this is nothing new which doesn't make sense it's just like The New York Times is ruining their reputation by you know just throwing a wet blanket on everything they've got Yeah, got the T word associated with it. But but this is kind of an interesting clip This is the new asylum rules which has got some people upset The agreement would require asylum seekers to seek refuge in the countries They first cross into under the plan Guatemalan migrants could only apply for asylum and Mexico Hondurans and Salvadorans would be forced to apply his refugees in Guatemala

2:36:25 The emerging plan drew fire from civil liberties groups, including the ACLU, which said such a change to the asylum system violates both U.S. and international laws and is unlikely to survive a legal challenge." Really? Yeah, why would it be unlikely to survive a legal challenge? I don't understand. What is the problem? Hey there are all those at ACLU says so and of course they're always right And as by guess there's some rule where if you're like if you're an asylum seeker You don't have to go to the first shithole country next yes, you do So I mean this is what it's all about. That's what they're saying, you know they condemn Trump for saying shithole country but in fact what they are showing us... Is shithole countries! They think the same way For sure it is my impression that the liberal world order The New World Order The Liberal Banking Elites The Globalists

2:37:28 They do not like anyone messing with tariffs. That was that it seemed like people got a big Knot in their panties or their panties and a bunch over this you know the World Trade Organization's all pissed off Everyone's like this is crazy Republicans No one likes this, but it seems it appears to be effective now I'm not sure that it is we'll see But they don't like that. And I guess that's the same with Brexit, you know? It's about... ultimately it's about the deals and it's about the trade between the countries. Yeah something we need to pay more attention to as far as reaction to it. Because they really really don't like it! Yeah they don't, you're right. Then my final clip for today's deconstruction just so we can get ready because we have elections coming up in Candanavia

2:38:27 What elections are these now? Is this a big election for them? The Parliament election for members of parliament. Hello, Candanavians in the troll room! Let me know what's going on and we'd like to know what's happening So we've heard from this young woman before her name is Karina Gould she is the Minister of Democratic Institutions and she has some very troubling news It's not just here in the United States, Gitmo Nation happens up there as well. I just wanted to give a quick update on the declaration on online electoral integrity from two weeks ago and i wanted to raise the issue that you know when we announced it on Monday

2:39:15 May 27th, Google Facebook and Microsoft were very quick to join. They've in fact demonstrated a number of actions in the interim however we still haven't heard from Twitter We haven't heard from Twitter on the declaration we haven't heard from Twitter in terms of what they're planning on doing for the upcoming election heard from Twitter with regards to whether they will have the online ad registry and I think it's important for Canadians to be aware that Twitter has essentially decided not to take responsibility for these activities, that Twitter is not committing to what they will do here in Canada.

2:39:54 and quite frankly that we're facing a time crunch. I mean the pre-rip period is going to be coming very shortly, the elected election is coming shortly and we have yet to hear from Twitter. We've heard from Facebook, we've heard from Google but Twitter remains mum and I think this is something Canadians should be aware of and we hope that Twitter will start to take some responsibility for the content on their platform. We know that they have, um... That their platform has been used and manipulated by foreign malicious actors And we're still waiting to hear what their plans are here in Canada. Block them! Block them from the whole country You can't take that risk Canada What? Yeah

2:40:37 Yeah. Please? This is the playbook, so you can always go back... all elections are gonna suck from now on because it's all be well clearly we know what the Russians did clearly yeah those Russians and it's all that ah it's so sad so annoying I think this is the big election this is the one where they can get rid of Trudeau might not be a crazy idea That would be my hope Alrighty, I think we've done a service to you. I hope you appreciated that and let us know in our value for value network formats by sending us some value We could certainly use it on the lower end Dvorak org slash na is where you can do that will play the jingle again at the end if you're listening to no agenda stream calm And we have the grumpy old Ben's number 11 coming up just fun to listen to a bunch of grumpy old bends You'll catch on pretty quick

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2:43:23 The reservoir way up in the air so it uses real gravity, big ass gravity. But it needs that because its one of those typical old Dutch toilets that has a shelf! And for people who don't know the main dutch toilet maker back in the day, started making them mainly for hospitals. And there's a shelf so when you poop then your poop stays on the shelf so it can be examined and no one ever thought that's kind of disgusting for the home and they just said we'll just use the hospital toilets and stuff... You know its kinda weird when you sit there going oh shit man this is

2:44:02 My poop is on the shelf and that's why I need the extra gravity. Poop is on the shelf? In some places it hits the fan, in The Netherlands its' on the shelf There's a poop upon the shelf We keep it for your health For The Queen and Commonwealth The Dutch are in a rush to see that poopy flush Poop is on the shelf Yeah!

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