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00:00 It's scrumptious. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. And Sunday May 20th 2018 this is your award-winning Get Monation Media assassination episode 1035 This is no agenda Breaking down evil corp and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin Tejas In The Cluedio In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and for Northern Silicon Valley where we're doing this show ATC I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning. I'm sorry, did you say ATZ? Yeah. ATZ...at the zone?! After The Zephyr. Ah, can't believe we missed The Zephyr. We must be starting late. It was on time that Zephyr, we weren't. Yep. Well, you can always count on some things. No ya can't. True. Well let's just start off with the most important news

01:00 Did you see the royal wedding? The British Royal Wedding! That must be the most important news of the day. Well, I definitely clogged up the news channels and I did get a bunch of clips Oh, you did?! I have two observations and no clips... I got tons of clips but let me give you an idea what my clips are like so that you'll understand where i'm headed How about let's doing the BRW, which is British Royal Wedding, unintended consequences. In this time of Brexit the royal wedding is a windfall for an economy that appears to be stagnating at present and it isn't just Windsor here that's benefiting according to one bridal website during the wedding there'll be 8000 street parties up and down the country but which 1.5 million cucumber sandwiches will be devoured

01:52 So it's safe to say that this is a moment of unrestrained joy in the British cucumber industry The British what? Cucumber, cucumber industry. Yeah, there's a windfall Wait I got to give you just two my observations one there was Normally when you have these processions In and I lived in London people are applauding There was a lot less applause and I realized why These idiots were all holding up their cell phones, filming the procession. Oh wow! That is an outstanding observation It was just like what this is not normal I mean well it's today's yeah it is today's normal but holy moly

02:43 It's just like that is not what I am used to. So it was very... Yeah, you're right they always clapping there the clap but you can't clap and hold your cell phone up unless you got one of those imagine who needs spy agencies anymore all you have to do is get ahold of all these videos You get there's no way that Kennedy would have been a suspect. I was just about to say Zapruder video is just so outdated But that what to me that was like wow this you know, I've seen it when I went to the Tony Bennett concert with with Tina When he was playing here in town and it was the same thing. I'm like jeez man everyone's and they were filming the whole show

03:24 Now, in that case there's probably no live television registration of the event and I'm sure he doesn't give a crap anymore who does what. But for this one of the most covered events in the world... And can I just say what is up with all of the CNN or certainly CNN but all of the news douchebags? They were all dressed like they were ready for Royal Ascot! They had all of their groovy British outfits on and some of them, you know the dresses. I want to have a great dress! I will for this!" And i wonder if the IRS lets THEM deduct that from their...

04:00 from their taxes. It could come out of wardrobe Yeah, oh yeah right they didn't have to pay for it themselves Alright so that was my main observation is gee and what are these people gonna do? They're gonna show it they're gonna put on the face bag or on Twitter on Instagram or whatever I'm here! Oh so great And then thats it its done and then you spend all your time looking at the little screen instead of the real thing This is always baffling to me You know, looking at the little screen instead of you're right there. What are you taking about? You don't... What am I talking about? What do these mean? Yeah please continue with your clips. I'm glad you have some. But it was an economic thing that was interesting and this is kind of where I went with the cucumber thing of course. Interesting! Let's play the BRW Economics 1 and hear about it.

04:55 Not to mention in boardrooms around the country, because the numbers have surprised the experts. David Haig runs a consultancy that specializes in estimating the worth of a brand and evaluating intangible assets. The reality is that since it was announced there has been an absolute frenzy when we first looked at the impact of the wedding on the UK economy We estimated that it would have about 700 million dollars worth of beneficial effect. We have now doubled that, we think it's about $1.4 billion." Hague says that a considerable portion of those earnings will come from tourism. About 50 million people visit the UK each year and Hague estimates that the wedding will draw in an additional 350 thousand tourists each spending on average between one and two thousand dollars

05:43 This is music to the ears of Patricia Yates, who heads Visit Britain. The authority responsible for marketing the country as it enters Brexit territory We need to make sure that people come now History & Heritage will be here in 10 years time So I think the attraction of an event like this It's about romance and it brings that royal story To a newer and younger audience who are the people that are travelling worldwide. So far this year as Britain's divorce from Europe approaches, retail spending and consumer confidence have been jittery according to shopping expert Diane Whirl who expects a wedding related flip-flip Retail is in a very emotive sector it relies on our emotions and our wants and our feel good factors so what the Royal Wedding does is create feel goods And so it adds buoyancy to market adds good feeling

06:35 Yeah, I you know to be perfectly honest not for a second that I think about any of this about the economic effects But that of course is why you do this kind of thing. Oh yeah And that's the rationale for the British royalty in fact I think in clip two here they may mention the amount of money it You have to maintain the royalties 50 million dollars a year and they believe it brings in much more and you know these gawkers And so they because there are still people that are anti-monarchists and would just as soon get rid of the monarch. But I know people who were anti monarchy, and they love this shit! They're British they said they can't get enough of it. It's the weirdest thing. How anti-monarchy can you be? If your all in... I know but its the weirdest thing truly like yeah The baby what's the baby gonna be named all this is really important to them and I give them grace for that they could do whatever they want

07:32 Let's play the part two of this scene. The fascination with the British upper crust is understood by Sophia Money Coots, daughter of an aristocratic family famous in the UK for being the royal bankers There's a huge amount of love for Harry and I think that over the past few years there has been a lot of pressure on Harry when he will settle down or when his last friends get married When it going to be his turn? I think that's why there is such excitement, he suddenly very clearly in love completely head over heels with Megan and so people are just thrilled for them. They're just really pleased and excited about the big day about the big day.

08:34 I have picked up a couple of, I got some other stuff. There's one that kind of applies to you since you lived in England long enough to make a commentary on this and you mentioned these friends are yours. Let's play this one. This is from a special that was done on, this is very funny. PBS ran two hours with Meredith Vier and some British guy and three of the most famous people kind of upper, you know these followers of the monarchy and biographers and these people that were experts upon expertise. And it was two hours a night the whole week before the wedding on PBS

09:19 Which I thought was very fawning, but there's a lot of good information in there and I have a couple clips that I thought were very educational. But before I play them, I want to play this clip which is one of these guys predicts that Meghan in 30 years will be the first American female president casually but he also talks about a couple other elements about what Her life's gonna be like. Not only that, you know they could and she I think will retain her American citizenship. Yeah, I could see 30 years from now being the first female president of United States Okay, hold on a second couple things in there so her dad did not come to walk her down the aisle

10:21 And that is because of health reasons was the official explanation. So Charles did it now though I got to step back for a second because you know we have here at divorcee Possibly, according to the National Enquirer twice divorced. Possibly a double divorcee. She's half black so she is not pure. How can this be that the British royal family is allowing this? Is it because they are modernizing? No no no we must go back and understand that Charles of course is not really Harry's real dad. That would be James Hewitt

10:59 Now, wasn't he the stable boy or something? And if you look at the two side by side it's very obvious. And I'm sure that Harry is happy with that! He is happy his real dad is alive... Who's this guy?! This corpse walking down the aisle with his future bride But the thing is because of that and the royal family knowing it this is not going to corrupt any bloodline There's no royal bloodline in this union He was from Diana and the Stable Boy or whatever James Hewitt was, I forget. Maybe he was a guard or something? I can't remember... Doesn't matter. Meghan is obviously not from royal blood so it's great! It's just the big promotion

11:37 Everybody looks good, it doesn't water down the bloodline. Kind of everybody wins! I think they need that blood line to be boosted by a multiracial person. But he's never going to be king... So this is easy for him It's easy. Fine, let's do this. Let's have a party." It's good for business. Well the thing that was in this last clip I wanted to mention which was they said her problem is going to be living with British people Yeah. Now, a friend of mine was... To which the one commentator said she's living royals is very different it's not the same as British people. Yeah well there's that which is probably true but I had we had a guy that was from PC Magazine and he was sent to England to edit PC Mag UK. I don't remember the circumstance but he was moved there for some reason

12:33 And it was about a year into it before he started grousing about the British. To the point where you just had to get out of there and I met with him a couple times in England, and he was just beside himself about the horrible English people and he just thought they were... I like the British. I like their culture, I liked their humor The two things that were difficult for me is I found it pretty much impossible to do business with them They lie! I'm sorry Brits but in business they lie all the time which is kind of an odd almost like an Asian culture in a way save face but instead of not really saving face just lying

13:20 And that was, that's my experience. I'm not trying to generalize but i'm going to do it from my experience and extremely racist! Extremely racist but I love him well the racism thing is noticeable the lying thing may account for some of the weird uh lying that takes place in former British-influenced colonies uh in the Indies for example oh that's where that's where it comes from I don't know, not to mention that I never even thought the British in business just lied. Apparently they do. Yeah. That does explain a number of things to me in areas that were influenced by the British. Now it's also maybe because I'm not in the club... Maybe it's screw the yank we'll do whatever we want! That's also possible

14:13 Yeah, but that doesn't negate lying. Lying is lying. But if there's a rationale for it you have a rationale for it but still the same thing. Now let's go back to your original thesis which I did try to carefully propagate a little bit too much resistance because I should just be happy for them is a possible marriage, a union between CIA and MI6. Yes with Clooney showing up for good measure! Just oh I should have been ready for that one right yeah because when I said that

14:54 Like, well actually what happened is later I was like oh you know she's really smart. Yeah look at the school she's gone to. George Clooney! George Clooney! George Clooney is a spy! There he is there's George of course he shows up absolutely yeah he's there somebody's gotta represent them the folk You have one more clip or what is that? I have actually three more clips, but these are the ones that are specific. The other ones are more general clips that would just be of all kinds of great interest and in fact let's jump to one of those and this is the kind of clip like the cucumber clip that I just thought was because I never thought about this before until now they had on this PBS thing they had all these lots of packages

15:42 And this one package was discussing what the dinner's gonna be like, the bowl food and all this other stuff that they made a big stink about. But they had something here because in this little clip, this is defining a feast, the kind of feast as it was called that Henry VIII would put on and could you describe what this was like without... I mean, I've never thought about it But I just thought it was a big lot of food, but this is actually more interesting than that. If you want to play or you want to guess? If i want to guess what it was like their feast? Yeah what's the feast like? Uh...I don't know! I mean I'm thinking Caligula. Same thing! Roman Orgy?! I don't know what could it be!? Let's play it

16:32 who's in and who is out. It's the iron hand in the velvet glove. What sort of occasion would Henry VIII throw a feast for? There were the Easter feasts, his marriages he had enough of them and then celebrations or the betrothal of a prince or princess to a foreign power what things might we be surprised to see on the table at a Tudor feast Well, heron, seagull, porpoise and swan sprinkled with gold leaf and embellished within an inch of their lives. It would come up from the kitchens

17:09 and there would be fanfare. At the Tudor feast, no one had to worry about which knife to use. Carvers would carve you a chunk and then you would use a knife to cut off your little bits. You'd bring this with you? Yes! And it was a fashion accessory. The further up the scale you went, the more glorious your knife. With the shape of your hands yes, and you just went for it And the table would be completely covered and you made your selection bit of that absolutely yeah from a complete carpet of food You hack that thing up what happened to that clip?

17:53 That was the way it was played. I really like it up no interest that that was their Derek version of editing Oh Yes, yes weekend crew yeah, so we can play there goes from that to two-door etiquette Okay, and then we got a move on cuz I'm tired of it Two door etiquette now want to hear the to go tutor etiquette oh, that's different To get ah Well, Erasmus wrote a book of etiquette and he said do not gnaw on bones like a dog. Do not begin the meal by drinking it is the mark of a drunkard. Do not belch if you must break wind cover it with the sound of a cough as in

18:37 Use the tablecloth because we sit down and we push the tablecloth away, but they would sit down and then go like this. And then do this! Yeah that's quite interesting because you can see sort of the ending in the medieval period and this new renaissance more courteous age beginning can't you? Oh you can. Now apparently they used a table cloth as the lap napkin. Yeah sure I don't know what you think about this. I thought that was interesting, all right we can move on well the thing that was well two things were interesting about this one i remain that in this day of

19:22 toxic masculinity and you know women need to really move ahead in society. Why are we glorifying this ancient tradition of a man taking a woman, and she's a commoner? And all these degrading terms for women! And is that the dream for little girls to become a princess one day?! Hello. Yeah, I'm just saying I just want to point out what to me was enormous ginormous hypocrisy Hypocrisy, I'm sorry. What's not hypocrisy? I don't think that's the right word Oh well yeah because

20:07 The same people that are you because you're not showing that the people that are what's right we're just only groaning about toxic masculinity or into what we're talking about. The same women who are yammering about toxic masculinity were into this I think most women in America I don't like it as I'm only generalizing for sure But still, and then the other thing that bothers me tremendously is that the news media I mean everything was set up. They had their main...I said they sent all the gay guys to England including Shep Smith for Fox. Let a number of gay guys stay in the States

20:48 I heard more than one or two gay guys. I'm talking about our favorite gay guys, come on! Or our favorite gay guys... They demanded to go Yes of course they were there. The packages were ready everything was set so we have this horrific event right up the road from me in Texas and it's like okay we'll cover this and scene okay everybody let's go back we're back to the royal wedding and that was it You know, I have to give credit to PBS NewsHour on this because every network news station except maybe one and they put it off maybe one spot. They led with the wedding. They all led with the wedding. PBS NewsHour ended the show with a wedding after an hour

21:37 And I thought that was the way to do it. I mean, this is not an American thing. Yeah exactly! That's your outro. It's kind of cute that there's an American multiracial girl in the thing but who knows who she... nobody knew who she was until she started dating this guy and i'm still like now if I was like the news director I'd go find her ex-husband and maybe her ex, ex husband she had two or maybe some old boyfriends and find out what she's got going on in the bed. That sounds like PBS material to me. Well it wouldn't be on PBS obviously but I think it could be on Inside Edition or some more lascivious... What kind of deeds are you looking for?

22:22 I'm looking for all of it. What does she do that's got this guy like gaga? She must have some skills! God, John... You clearly watch with a whole different frame of mind. Yeah... I liked the dress. The dress was okay. I liked her party dress more I didn't see the part. And she's great shoes, great shoes. They made a big deal about this cake and never saw the cake. There was a good... Dude we're getting sucked back in! Stop! We're doing the same thing. Let me do one last thing did you know that traditionally although this time it wasn't true almost all of the royals wedding cakes are made out of fruitcake? Yes i did hear that and Tina and I looked at each other went ugh. And nobody ever ate it they saved them apparently old

23:12 Is that how it started? I think so. Apparently in 1947, a slice of Queen Elizabeth's cake... It is still around! It is going on the auction block and sold for two grand! It can go on tour with Kathy Griffin's Trump head. It's a twofer. It's a British-American tour Yeah, so we should look into the background again for those you don't know in the United States of Gitmo Nation and my Aunt Jani used to do this every year. She'd send a fruitcake everybody it was hard as a rock and it just Inedible and if I eat it It was tasteless to where no I would taste as loaded with spices but it was grainy As a kid you look at that thing go No

23:57 No, no way in hell I'm touching it and so then of course you know we have our joke here that there's one Basically one fruitcake that goes all around America around Christmas time Everybody sends it to each other. No one wants to touch the damn thing But maybe that originated with these weddings somehow this saving of the cake yeah So we had this shooting And I've been looking at the feeds and everything throughout. You want to play? I have a long form, not the whole thing because it went on 10 minutes but i have the ABC report that I thought was pretty good overview Oh yeah that would be fantastic let's see... Yeah got it! Let's listen to that first. Time it was Santa Fe High School in Texas A student opening fire By the way Santa Fe I've received notice from several producers Not

24:45 loving close-knit community. In fact, one of our producers sent a note and said yeah black people it's a no go zone for black people in that neighborhood so I don't know if he's implying they're racist or but he says just it's very everything's tense there everybody's messed up That's what the producers are saying. Tonight a suspect is in custody now charged with murder and ABC's chief national affairs correspondent Tom Yamas on the scene with how the horror unfolded.

25:34 Early in the morning, just as school was getting underway. The rampage started students sprinting to safety Teachers hustling them from the scene it began around 740 a.m Senior Tyler Turner says his friend spotted a student with a gun he saw the kid walking down the hall and he looked suspicious and whatnot like he said he had a gun or something so he ran, he went down the hall like walking you know casually didn't want him to know. And then he pulled the fire alarms we all went outside and then we heard three shots." That fire alarm driving students from their classrooms. As soon as the alarms went off everybody just started running outside next thing you know everybody looks in

26:13 that you hear boom, boom. Boom and I just ran as fast as i could to the nearest forest so I could hide and I called my mom police racing a Santa Fe high school he's asked for shooting he's in the art room we've got shots fired right now guys student Peter Matusa tells our Marcus Moore he was right there when the shooter unloaded he first opened opened fire with a shotgun in which he shot one of my other friends in the head and her body fell down not too far away from where I was under the table. That is when he turned like this and open fire with the revolver." Kids line up on the field, emptying their backpacks for officers to inspect

26:52 Their hands on their heads, they're patted down one by one. With students shaken outside others hiding in classrooms. Their parents getting that dreaded phone call. She called she said mom there's shots I immediately turned around and said i'm coming i'm coming I stayed on the phone with her the whole time and just kept talking to her kept telling her stay calm stay quiet Tell me about what happened. Until the police finally let her out... By 9 a.m., the shooter had surrendered, but the danger wasn't over. The suspect wanting to take his carnage to a new level of evil There have been explosive devices found in the high school and surrounding areas adjacent to the high school Tonight 10 people are dead most of them students

27:39 Others wounded in the hospital. And now the suspect has a mugshot, 17-year old Dimitrios Pagorchis, a junior at Santa Fe High School On his Facebook page he's in a baseball cap with a peace sign But about three weeks ago he posted this photo of a shirt with the words born to kill Authorities say he kept extensive journals Not only did he want to commit the shooting but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting As you probably know, he gave himself up. In a minute of the time they didn't have the courage to commit the suicide. Police say he used two guns, a shotgun and a .38 revolver Yeah and so as the

28:21 The social meds came into action. There was an obvious issue because damn it, the guy didn't use an AR-15 so we and but he used his he stole you know that not that no law would have stopped this as far as well Maybe the outright banning of all guns everyone hand them in He stole a shotgun and a 38 from his dad shotgun by the way if you remember what good old Joe Biden said Kate If you want to protect yourself, get a double barrel shotgun. Have the shells of 12 gauge shotgun and I promise you as i told my wife we live in an area that... You remember the story? That's what Joe said! Oh yeah! You don't need an AR-15 get a shotgun well gee! Shotguns kill too! He doesn't have to be so accurate Yeah it's little bit easy thanks Joe Thanks for the tip We try to give everyone life saving tips Joe is giving tips to kill people

29:18 But so that then turned into another donation drive. I have tons of chip in emails Because those off those evil Republicans and the crazy Trump he won't won't fix this we got to fix it Yeah, but there's no one has anything to say now about how to fix it because you can't point to a certain script It totally went off script was just right now Couple other things that I've noticed well first let's start with the obvious, you know Q predicted it John just so you know q predicted it. Yep. Yep. You predicted something going down tomorrow That's what he always does something going down tomorrow says that every day Something going down tomorrow and then this happens anyway

30:05 and with the obvious results. Their advice to anybody who chooses to seek it about some of the unexpected things that they may find in the aftermath having experienced such grief including all kinds of carnival shysters and people who are snake oil salesmen, including people who are trying to gain access to some other financial records things of that sort listen what they had told me just a little while ago The first thing we found out is that there's a group of conspiracy theorists out there that are trying to promote the idea that the U.S. government is behind all these mass shootings and that were crisis actors, and then our daughter is still living somewhere in The Bahamas... And do they approach you? Oh yes!

29:18 But so that then turned into another donation drive. I have tons of chip in emails Because those off those evil Republicans and the crazy Trump he won't won't fix this we got to fix it Yeah, but there's no one has anything to say now about how to fix it because you can't point to a certain script It totally went off script was just right now Couple other things that I've noticed well first let's start with the obvious, you know Q predicted it John just so you know q predicted it. Yep. Yep. You predicted something going down tomorrow That's what he always does something going down tomorrow says that every day Something going down tomorrow and then this happens anyway

30:05 and with the obvious results. Their advice to anybody who chooses to seek it about some of the unexpected things that they may find in the aftermath having experienced such grief including all kinds of carnival shysters and people who are snake oil salesmen, including people who are trying to gain access to some other financial records things of that sort listen what they had told me just a little while ago The first thing we found out is that there's a group of conspiracy theorists out there that are trying to promote the idea that the U.S. government is behind all these mass shootings and that were crisis actors, and then our daughter is still living somewhere in The Bahamas... And do they approach you? Oh yes!

30:52 They were also approached by people who are offering to use their daughter's name for charity purposes But they were charities that the parents did not approve of they were used anyway. Oh, yeah So that could fit into any theory you want there you go with your chip in Yeah, it could do any anything you want with that but I really I see no need for it What was also interesting and different about this was devices. He had devices, he had devices that... And I know that you have identified this trend of calling bombs devices and I now know where it comes from of course as we've militarized everything in America its the military term for IED improvised explosive device

31:44 So that's I think where they're getting devices from. That is possible But in this case, uh-uh As the shooting unfolded they've been unable to gain access because this is a live police investigation scene right now and they're still on the lookout for some of these pipe bombs even though one of them turned out not to be very dangerous it was a CO2 canister wrapped with gaffers tape and no detonator on it so I don't know what that portends for other devices which may have been found here Bombs pipe bombs. I just called it by name, but they call it pipe bombs as true There's no other term for pipe bomb yet But there was no evidence that there was ever a pipe on they found a co2 can yeah and you know Just a gas explosion. I mean, it's not even explosive. It's just it's just co2 And some others I think this was exaggerated

32:36 Possibly. And we really don't know anything, the only thing I care about is...I just can't find reporting on it is what was his mental state? Was he medicated? These are the only two things that want to know. You're never gonna find out if he's medicated because they do not report on that ever! Because the news media is supported by these same drug companies Yes and in fact that's the only thing I participated in the Social Meds, I tweeted out Actually, the statistic comes from 2015. 23% of 18 to 24 year olds are really college age kids and so he was almost that age. 17? Yeah he was almost college-age. Yeah, he's 17 which is close enough. 23%, in 2015 which was a doubling at the time were on some form of antidepressants

33:33 And now take into account that in 2012, no 2014 I'm sorry. The pharmaceutical industry spent six billion dollars in America alone on marketing That's not their lobbying dollars Their total spend is probably closer to 20 or 25 billion To sell their goods and I do have a nice little big pharma package coming up later on Because they use that six billion dollars in the media, we're never going to get reporting on it. Because in America the advertiser is God! So if you worship a different god that's okay... Most people in America worship the advertiser as the god The god tells them what to do, the god determines what they're gonna see That's just how it is

34:27 Did you have anything else to add to this shooting? Because I don't think we have anything. You know, I don't know if they have any clips...I do have something else that's kind of parallel Well, I wanted to go into different topics so don't split off if that's what you're doing No it's parallel Not splitting off This is not a fork Okay By the way watching all the British world running I realized that The United States is a fork Of The British Empire We forked their blockchain! We forked it man Yeah babe Well, actually this is a Generation Z speech. I thought they were going to try and push this little guy...I don't know who's behind it supposedly some kid? I doubt it but this is just an off-the-wall report that came in locally because they're trying to promote this as a dreadful idea This latest shooting in Texas has brought more attention to a growing student led campaign called Donate 60 It's a sixty second speech crafted by a team of high school students from around the country

35:26 highlighting equality, safety from gun violence and action on climate change. A junior at Bellarmine College Prep in San Jose was part of that team who wrote that speech he says the goal of the campaign is to get valedictorians and other high school graduation speakers to spend 60 seconds reading this special statement The idea is to empower Generation Z who in the next four years will own 17 million votes We want politicians in office to see this and recognize that if they don't push for change in these areas, that clearly necessitate change. That they will not necessarily be in office much longer

36:06 McReynolds says the speech is not intended to divide along party lines but to unite and he hopes it's just a start of a much larger movement led by Generation Z. Now wait a minute, this was the Hog Kids whole vibe was hey we're getting ready to vote and we're gonna vote you out... This is a new kid? Yeah, this is a kid local. Bellarmine High he is and this is about his speech that he wants you know they're trying to promote the idea of the 62nd whatever they call it You're one of the high school graduates and your valedictorian so give them little speech at the end to the class. Some of them are funny, some of them aren't and some of them are humorous and some of them are serious." And they just want everyone in this group—everyone that's out there now graduating—they want every valedictorian to read this 60-second speech as part of their speech which I wouldn't do in a million years if I was the valedictorian speaker! Well, the virtue signaling

37:03 Is so powerful. Last night, Tina took me to the... Austin Under 40 gala because one of her colleagues was nominated. And this is a big deal, it's black tie the seven 800 people it's in the JW Marriott and you know this food actually kind of decent got a 12 piece band and so they award these in different categories who's the coolest under forty? What do you think the standing ovation for one person only of the I don't know 15 winners? What do you think who do you think got the standing ovation well, I don't know anybody in the area So I wouldn't have a clue who it would be though It would be the woman who got up and thanked everybody and said I'm undocumented

37:57 and then went into a whole, oh yeah. Oh yeah I went into a whole thing and it got uncomfortable because once she had done that then everybody was like you know Austin is filled with diversity. I'm like yeah let's walk outside and give some of this rubber chicken to the homeless guy across the street? I mean yeah it's diverse I guess you know we have rich people inside homeless guy right outside okay that's diversity uncomfortable at times for me. I was like, wow! You know? And you feel like you're in a meeting of the Bund. The Bund in Illinois

38:36 They had a whole different response to this school shooting in Texas. To how it was responded, how quickly it was... I think it's the senator from Illinois. Obviously there was an armed guard on the premise Well the presence of the armed officer now The officer is critically injured he was shot I don't know if he was able to return fire or not. I haven't heard that. I think the fact that he was able to engage probably saved the lives of many of those students, and I also understand there was a Texas trooper that also engaged the suspect. I don't know if you're aware of this, but there is a movement in the state of Illinois where we also had a shooting school shooter taken down the other day with before he was able to cause any deaths by a school resource officer There's actually a movement to defund school resource officers and replace them with mental health professionals

39:37 And this is just madness. What happened yesterday and what happened last week in Illinois is a shining example of why it's so necessary to have armed police officers in the schools I like that, take out the guns bring in the shrink It's a step in the right direction Yeah because the shrinko gets shot Now, the step in the right direction is we need to be all over this mental health issue and not putting band-aids on stuff. But I'm a broken record at that point now here's what was the timing is always interesting And I'm not saying that this was timed or timed event but This news did completely obfuscate a very interesting well two things Gina Haspel was confirmed as CIA chief

40:35 And right on the heels of her being confirmed, we have this bombshell report in The New York Times. And from what I understand—well, I'm sure a lot of journalists from The New York Times have CIA connections—but this was possibly a CIA-connected... sources from CIA reporter who publishes this Trump had a spy in his campaign story. Yeah Now to me with Gina Haspel being I was just gonna say it's elaborated on a little more interestingly in the intercept. Oh, what did the intercept say? And and i have a theory which i want to run through but i definitely want your input. Well that make...I can't summarize what they said. I just said there's a lot of elaboration Okay so for me you have Gina Haspel being confirmed which didn't get a lot of news but she was confirmed then she so she's in and to me it was like oh okay and then all of sudden here's this big piece of news um

41:36 So when we had the royal wedding, which you know that obviously was a pre-planned event but then the shooting really covered up... What it really did is it stopped the Russian news cycle. Completely. I mean, it just became to a grinding halt for 48 hours there was nothing about the Russian news. Yeah they had to because the royal wedding everyone knew is going to chew up at least half of the news cycle so you just need a filler to clog up the whole thing. So it was a nice distraction and maybe if you are John Brennan or somebody else who might be involved in some collusion, maybe you're kind of happy that let's see if we can figure something else out I don't think John Brennan has been tweeting a lot about Russia recently and I want to run a theory by ya that kinda just came to me and is full of holes give me little room to present but definitely interrupt when you think its appropriate

42:35 So what we learn from this CIA connected journalist is, we have a spy and we pretty much all know everyone the big secret I guess in or an open secret in DC that the spy is this helper guy who is a...I mean he's really a long-term CIA asset. That may have also been in the intercept, but this is all... I mean and it's not crazy when there are tons of people who are assets for CIA and a lot of them are very well known But something... What? Yeah we just talked about one earlier Exactly We can't seem to stop talking about her! But we learned something important Something new Crossfire Hurricane was the name Of this spy's mission

43:28 Crossfire Hurricane, obviously from the Rolling Stones. Jump in Jack Flash and just play a little bit so we recall it's the opening line of the song. Okay, crossfire hurricane. What a crossfire hurricane really is is a type of storm that will get up right until it's kind of its middle point and will flip 180 degrees and go in the other direction And this was the code name which I believe struck and then his girlfriend Paige

44:06 were talking about when they were texting back and forth. This was the insurance policy, this was the crossfire hurricane no matter what happens we'll be able to reverse this election or reverse whatever I'm sure they wanted to happen before the actual election And you know so this is the operation that they were talking about Now, we have to recall that we have modified our initial CIA-FBI competitive rift or expanded it really two groups within the United States government. The intelligence community mainly run by CIA and the defense intelligence community run by the Pentagon, the DIA and these two groups alternate running the president not always exactly one than the other but the CIA

44:56 theorized previously, Obama was their guy and Brennan was probably Obama's handler. And that would... I can make it all fit within my own bias. Yeah and both Brennan and Obama being Muslims makes it easier. I know people are shaking their heads but just bear with us for a moment. There is ample evidence that they're both Muslim but doesn't matter Trump, we know from people like Pchenik and others. And just some obvious evidence is run by the military look at who's around him so it's DIA CIA versus DIA So clearly the CIA is all pissed off about the DIA having their clearly unqualified orange clown candidate in so they are doing anything they can to break this guy down

45:47 This Helper who was a what is he? Is he a he's a college professor. He's an author. He's a gadfly. He's roaming around He's hanging out. He was in one made if you wasn't London mid-july, this is at least two weeks maybe longer before the FBI, the official FBI investigation started. So he came back after talking with Page Carter page and drunk Papadopoulos And he had this story which he of course told his handlers at CIA Said I mean these guys say that you know the Russians have Hillary's emails

46:30 And that's when the investigation started and I think that CIA said to FBI, hey you should talk to this guy. So he debriefs them and they're like oh this is great! At this point we also are just going to presume the facts of Seth Rich that it wasn't the Russians who stole Hillary's emails or the DNC I should say. The DNC hack was not really a hack it was inside job, this guy's dead we don't know, Assange Put a bounty on getting his killer. So we're probably sure that what happened is inside job gave it to WikiLeaks but what the CIA cabal wanted to prove is that that had gone through the Trump administration because there was drunk Papadopoulos who knew all about it and you recall maybe Six months ago or seven months ago They got all jitty with it because they thought they had found proof of

47:26 That the Trump campaign had the wiki leaks had the emails before WikiLeaks had them you remember that but it was a mistake in The dates and they all had to correct their other story. I don't remember that, but it makes sense Okay So they all had to correct their story It was like oh we finally have him we got him here's the collusion They had this the collusion with the Russians they've been trying to do this from the get-go So, the official investigation starts July 31st and the embarrassing fact is that we not only was this not a Russian hack of the DNC it was an inside job but we have to pin it on the Russians so what do we do?

48:07 We call in, not the FBI who have not been allowed to see any of the infrastructure. We call in CrowdStrike I learned a little about CrowdStrike Do you know that they are owned by or they were...I don't know if their still own 100% I'm sure they've taken investment but this is Ukrainian firm It's Ukrainian guys running CrowdStrike The PewPew company They hate the Russians So thats easy we'll have these guys say oh it was clearly the Russian So this continues and I think from that moment on, this has all been to cover up the ugly fact that they really could never make that connection. They were wrong, they were spying on the Trump campaign CIA was spying they thought they had him, they brought in FBI, FBI went balls-to-the-wall and by the way you also have the steel guy out there so everyone's... The real collusion is there but then when i think about it and I'll just wrap this up because I can be completely wrong

49:06 If you have a crossfire hurricane as, you know, as your...as kind of your signal. Like hey, you know, crossfire hurricane this is our code word it kinda tells me little bit about Trump's use of different Rolling Stones song. I saw her today at the reception Just listen to the words A glass of wine Glass of wine in her hand, who could that be? So this is what Trump plays every single time he does a gathering and near the end of the song we have another interesting lyric.

50:00 Listen to what he says. Glass was a bleeding man. She was practice at the art of deception. I could tell by her bloodstained hands. I don't know, I don't know, I don't think Trump's that deep. But if I were the DIA and wanted to send a message back to CIA this is how I'd do it." It's all about Hillary. Oh yeah! The whole song. She got blood on her hands. She always has a glass of wine in her hand...the whole thing So they would know about the counter operation and they would counter with this song just to say hey we know what's going on

50:43 Now, that's a pretty far-out idea. But these spooks are so screwy that it doesn't seem very possible! It's much bigger than... we're just here down and we are truly in the swamp trying to figure it out those guys are way above us playing songs for each other I mean then you know now I just wanted to point another observation about myself how come up with this You know, John you and I grew up with media. My whole life has been television mainly and we storytelling has changed throughout the human lifetime and this generation myself included have grown

51:23 connecting scenes. So you watch a TV show or movie, doesn't matter they're inside they're talking boom next they're in the car and they're driving somewhere now in my mind I have connected that dot those two dots with a whole truthful scenario They got the coats that walked out got the keys gotten the cars started pulled into traffic driving around and then were there We're in New York City afternoon, all of a sudden boom we're in Tokyo late at night. Now obviously I didn't sit there for 13 hours while the camera crew went over there to get that shot so I've created this story... In my mind have created the connecting dots so if you have dots also known as facts

52:03 What happens in between is your bias. So, in this case I'm taking my bias and I'm saying yeah here's what I think might have happened in between these factual pieces and what I'm really describing is the multi-dimensional world we live in right now as people have the same facts but we are so trained to tell the story the way we want to hear it It just it seems like this is you know, it's like Occam's razor. This is my Occam's razor Is a double-edged sword a double edges? You know, it's like it can cut your way can cut my way because you're just interpreting everything in the middle So that's what I did and of course, I like it well yeah spooky. It's kind of funny It's got a lot of it's got some songs in it That was very difficult to make that connection but you apparently knew the hurricane lyric cuz I didn't

52:57 And then once you thought Rolling Stones, and you think well Rolling Stones and then somehow you jump to this the Hillary Tina and I spent a good 45 minutes over the weekend trying to figure out tiny dancer We don't know quite enough significance of that one yet. That's a very very odd song when you read the lyrics And so I'd like these these guys are just So they're screwed. They're screwed. They can't pin it what what would they wanted to prove? They just can't prove because they screwed up and and Brennan is very quiet now that you could now that we know who the spy is Comey is too all these guys are very quiet well, let's play them one clip. I do have about the FBI informant Yeah

53:46 The president and his supporters meanwhile are circulating an explosive theory that the FBI may have planted a spy inside Mr. Trump's 2016 campaign. Mola Lange is at the White House President Trump has seized on reports that an FBI informant was embedded in the Trump campaign. The informant, who according to the Washington Post was a retired American professor interacted with Trump campaign members George Papadopoulos Carter Page and Sam Clovis In a series of tweets Friday, President Trump wrote that the FBI implanted for political purposes a spy in the Trump campaign. Adding that they are out to frame Donald Trump for crimes he didn't commit. Let's get to conclusion first. Conclusion is no wrongdoing. Rudy Giuliani, the president's attorney acknowledged some uncertainty First of all I don't know for sure nor does the president if there really was one We're told that so we either have an embedded informant or we have a deep throat who is reporting after the fact

54:45 As special counsel Robert Mueller enters the second year of the Russia probe, reports of the FBI informant are not likely to help what is an already tense relationship between President Trump and the Department of Justice with the president and his staff frequently dismissing the investigation. White House adviser Kellyanne Conway spoke to reporters on Friday. You've had a year over a year to prove this and you failed too with new information that there may have been an FBI informant. Former Trump campaign aide Carter Page tells CBS News that the Washington Post's reporting on his interactions with the former professor and informant are in fact accurate, the FBI has offered no comment on this story. Molengue thank you yeah

55:37 Now, to balance the story a little bit. There's a lot of maybe even proof maybe of an admittance but during the Reagan run for president in 1980 with George HW Bush former CIA director as his vice president they had implanted a CIA spook in the Jimmy Carter White House. Yeah, wasn't the same guy involved in that? Halpern was he also... I think he was and this professor had something to do with it and the idea was to keep an eye on his foreign policy in case they pulled a fast one to get out of the bind he was in Iran.

56:21 So, and this kind of thing goes on. But when Trump comes out and says his you know his Trump Tower was bugged and Obama dead and all this other I mean he said that stuff and everyone just mocked him when it probably was all true! And not just that but there was a cool report that came out over the weekend about our favorite listening device And I found a clip that illustrates very well what these things do. It can be as small as a suitcase, most people don't know about it placed anywhere at any time our privacy isn't what it once was the technology sometimes referred to by the brand name Stingray mimics the signal of a cell phone tower and tricks nearby phones into connecting to it

57:05 instead. If you live close to someone who's a target, you could still get caught up and the news for I team found in D C Maryland and northern Virginia those targets are everywhere just got another one on two networks Aaron Turner uses special software loaded onto three cell phones with three different carriers so when you see these red bars those are very high suspicion events and we found them in high profile areas like outside the Trump International Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue going across the 14th Street Bridge into Crystal City. And we got picked up twice while driving along K Street, lobbying Central. It looks like they don't consider us to be interesting and so they've dropped it. Every cell phone has a unique identifying number. The phone catcher technology can harness thousands at a time. DHS has warned that rogue devices could prevent connected phones from making 911 calls saying if this type of attack occurs during an emergency

57:59 It could prevent victims from receiving assistance. Absolutely that's a worry DC Councilwoman Mary Chase says the spy technology should be a concern for all who live and work in the district our test phones found the devices in 40 different locations just driving around for a few hours I suppose if you spent more time, you'd find even more especially in her ward where many of the streets are lined with embassies they were a hotbed during our tests They're doing interrogation Right? Of who we are. And then the white bar represents when they release us." Our phones stayed connected the longest right near the Russian embassy, We got picked up twice on international drive near China and Israel and driving north on Massachusetts Avenue near Romania and Turkey our expert says they all have the technology. You know governments do this to each other all the time

58:46 as schmores, you know. Which is a problem despite technology poses a risk to national and economic security but there's little our government can do with devices on foreign soil. A law that we had could not tell these embassies what they can and cannot do He says the good news is about half the devices we found were likely law enforcement investigating crimes or our government using them defensively. Oh, that's the good news! Thanks Channel 4 We did find a few near Langley and The Pentagon. Oh yeah, we just got two Even in Bethesda's Kenwood neighborhood near Palisades in DC and along Old Dominion Drive in McLean That's a fishy one Turner says it could be some sort of corporate espionage Maybe

59:27 Someone's involved in a high-level negotiation on a business deal, or maybe it's a government employee who is involved in the regulatory ruling. And if you've ever wondered why you just can't make a call from inside your home or office? It could be why. Well there ya go! A comprehensive report on the Stingray everywhere. They're just everywhere! Yeah, it sounds like they're literally everywhere So it's not hard to eavesdrop on what's going on Not everyone has a secured phone who drops into the White House When I went to the palace... Dutch Palace for lunch with the King and Queen What did I do when I walked out? I jump on the phone Tina, I gotta tell you all about it That's how it goes

1:00:13 That's how you find out what happened in the meeting. Yeah, it's so simple I'm sure somebody was listening anyway. I mean while would probably note that I forgot my phone You would walk into a cell a phone booth if they still exist hey Mimi I forgot my phone But let me tell you how cool the meeting was yeah And just to wrap up our a block here Regardless of what the truth is, the media will say whatever they want or whatever they need. Or if it's Mockingbird they'll say what they're told to say Great new article came out today about the Las Vegas gunman Steven Paddock Ah! Getting closer? Oh yeah I mean this is...I knew it!

1:01:04 People who came into contact with Steven Paddock in the weeks before he killed 58 people at a Las Vegas concert last October said he railed against the government, behaved oddly and expressed a willingness to die. Yes one woman aimed one woman One woman, interviewed by the police said she sat in the booth of a diner eating dinner a few days before the shooting and overheard a man in the next booth. It took him this long to get these stooges together? She subsequently recognized as Paddock The woman said Paddock was discussing with another man deadly standoffs between federal agents and anti-government activists at Ruby Ridge! In Idaho yes...and Waco Texas

1:01:47 They kept mentioning the 25th anniversary of Ruby Ridge. I didn't hear them planning anything, but they were speaking of things that struck me as odd! At the time, I just thought, strange guys... and I wanted to leave." So there you go it's clear that he was jus- oh wait here is another guy An inmate at local county detention center told investigators that three weeks before the shooting, Paddock answered his online ad for the design to a device that converts semi-automatic AR15s to automatic. When they met in the store parking lot, the man said Paddock said he would give me $500 apiece to make an unspecified number of the converters." I guess he's talking about bump stocks? No!

1:02:30 No, he's talking about something else. Yeah like a real machine The hand crank or it could just be a different lower or it could be how about you know changing the mechanism? Just automatic modified lower sure after the man after the man said he didn't want to go to prison for that He said Paddock went on an anti-government rant So he went from railing against the government to an anti-government rant. Quote, he kept carrying on about just anti-government stuff said the man who was booked into jail shortly after the massacre on unrelated charge He asked me if I remembered Hurricane Katrina and said, that was just a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kicking down doors and confiscating guns. Somebody has to wake up the American people and get them to arm themselves! Sometimes sacrifices have to be made."

1:03:19 Wow. So he's because it was so now that the narrative is some anti-government nutcase and so in protest, he shoots down a bunch of country and Western revelers that have our innocent victims of nothing to do with the government. He's going to do that? Is that the way it's gonna go down? Does that make sense to anybody? Yes. It's what they're saying. Nice try. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C. With a c stands for collusion anyone? Dvorak! In the morning to you Mr Adam Curry. In the morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there Yes...in the morning to our troll room noagendastream.com Almost good to see everybody there

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1:12:39 the meeting Dame Jennifer with the mom and her husband. And she's like, listen to the... She's spewing stuff about Rachel and the two-summer there not wanting to get into an argument I think one of the other techniques you could use is you can do it well as Rachel has got this funny look that she can employ at the drop of a hat where she kind of brings their eyebrows together and then bring up the middle of her face with kinda sad oh my... You poor thing Look and I think that if you just when people start going off on this the mench B stuff You could just give that look and it's just like you're so sad. Just giving a look So sad for them given the Rach look the Rachel Rach look gotta write that down The Rach look hmm a little entremont before we get into a heavier topic As its back

1:13:36 Ebola. The Ebola virus has spread to a city along the Congo River in the Democratic Republic of Congo, that is scary because lots of people travel through a port city and the Ebola virus, of course, is highly contagious as you will remember from the massive outbreak in West Africa A few years ago that outbreak killed more than 11000 people Well, the World Health Organization is working with local authorities in Congo to try to stop the spread of the disease. And we have reached Dr Peter Salama He is the WHO's Deputy Director General for Emergencies We've caught him on the line in Geneva Switzerland Hey Doctor There must be major lessons learned from this situation In 2014 with the last major outbreak

1:14:27 What have you learned that's informing the way that you're preparing this time around? What are you learning, Rolf? Firstly we were too slow last time around. The international community including WHO so... We've been pretty fast off the ground Okay! We gotta get hurry up, hurry up! We got to go fast! It took too long to get money last time people! So the outbreak was only confirmed on May 8th. We sent in a mobile lab. We've ensured personal protective equipment is on the ground and agreed on the critical priorities in a response plan. So we're really establishing a no regrets policy, we want to make sure that we don't let this one get out of control. I like the no regrets policy! That should be our policy

1:15:07 No regrets. That guy doesn't sound like he was on the phone to me! Well, hold on... He continues. What we can say is the international response has been quick thus far We have a vaccine which is now in the DRC and almost ready to be deployed Hold up! We have a vaccine? We have a vaccine. And that's what this is all about! That's in the DNC and ready to be deployed, but... We have a vaccine which is now in the DRC and almost ready to be deployed but really important to remember The vaccine is not a silver bullet Oh really? Well hold on a second Not the DNC, the DRC It's not a silver bullet isn't that the whole point of the vaccine

1:15:49 Yeah, the kind of vaccines are they making that they're doing this constantly. It's like the measles thing crapped out and people were getting measles even though they had a shot so it's not a good vaccine That's what I'm thinking. The vaccine is not a silver bullet, the vaccine really rests on the foundation of having those basic public health measures of good surveillance, good contact tracing, and really good engagement with the communities so they understand what we're doing and what we're recommending in terms of safe burials avoiding traditional healers and really using the communities as an asset to stop this outbreak. I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me! The vaccine is the silver bullet doesn't that solve everything? We have a vaccine against Ebola we should be giving it to kids everywhere shoot them up! Apparently it doesn't work as a bogus vaccine.

1:16:54 I don't know is I find it very very suspicious this vaccine, but it's back. It's bad Yeah, maybe you have to do a new version 2.0 and needs to be funded I don't know But this is everyone just they just love the Ebola stories like one guy has Ebola we got a vaccine Well, I got me said you're gonna do these entrees. I got a little thing for you It just becomes a phrase from the Shays idea. Actually, no I'm going to do it later in the show. You can continue, I'm sorry. Oh well...I was interested in the little thing you have for me. Alright well I'll stick with Big Pharma then. Yay! Sorry? Yay for Big Pharma! Let's talk about Big Pharma! This was one of those rare moments when PBS did us justice. Oops one my knobs came off. Hello knob

1:17:50 My fader knob stuck to my finger and came right off the board. Pressing too hard, everybody? Catherine Eban is an author she has written many books about Big Pharma not flattering She was on PBS on... what is this like Brilliant Minds Upside Minds What is it? Something Minds It's a series And she Well actually we have a Let me see I think we have a little intro About her first here we go. Catherine Eban is an investigative reporter whose articles on pharmaceutical counterfeiting

1:18:27 Gun trafficking and coercive interrogations by the CIA have won international attention and numerous awards. Author of Dangerous Doses, a true story of cops, counterfeiters, and the contamination of America's drug supply, Eban uncovered for Fortune magazine the comprehensive picture of how under-policed generic companies operate As she writes, it's not a tale of cutting corners or lax manufacturing practices but one of outright fraud in which the company knowingly sells substandard drugs around the world including in the U.S., while working to deceive regulators. Eban adds that the impact on patients will likely never be known but its clear that millions of people worldwide got medicine of dubious quality."

1:19:16 So this woman knows a lot about the history of drugs, certainly the FDA, the United States pharmaceutical industry. And she should avoid small aviation and hot tubs if possibly. Let's go into Well, where most pharmaceuticals that we consume here certainly in the United States of get monation where they're actually produced what percent of drugs that are prescribed in the US are generic and what percent are being conceived, made overseas or at least in conditions that are not subject to regulation. Right well in theory all the conditions are subject to regulation the question is how effective

1:20:04 How active is that regulation? How well does it work, but let's go back to numbers for a second. 85% of all the drugs prescribed in this country now are generic The majority of those are made overseas Over 40 percent of those alone are made in India Take a step back 80 percent of all the active ingredient used in all our drugs whether brand or generic are coming from China Now if somebody explained to me China is definitely a concern and risk. As we've known, they have been the source of contaminated heparin, tainted dog food all kinds of troubling lapses have occurred in products from China but there's a distinction to be made which is China does not make the bulk of our finished doses so they're making active ingredients

1:20:56 The bulk of the finished doses and generics are coming from India. What that means is they're making final pills, capsules and vials that are literally leaving those manufacturing plants in India and coming directly to our drug stores. So, that is the last stop where drugs of poor quality can be detected." Now I didn't know this! I had no idea that most of our drugs are... well China connection is one thing but most of it's in India? No wonder India is selling all kinds of drugs online And it's always touted here as counterfeit. No, it's the same- It's like the fake Gucci bags! You know? It's probably real. Well there is a lot of real stuff that sold as counterfeit

1:21:43 That's true. You run into this all over Asia, you float around enough to find it in Korea, you find it Malaysia, you find them all over the place and just levels of corruption in that regard are extremely high. One one of the topics that you introduced years ago was the problem we have with antibiotics...that they don't work anymore And wouldn't you know it, this lady has a little bit of background. The history of antibiotics! For my upcoming book I did a lot of research on the history of antibiotic production and its really a thrilling story how penicillin was discovered and how the British flew in spy planes over to the US and got antibiotic production going with help from the US government

1:22:33 But then over the decades, slowly all of that antibiotic production moved overseas to the point where really the US makes almost no antibiotics at all. All of our antibiotics are made overseas. So if you're going to go and fill a prescription for your kid at a drugstore, an antibiotic they've got an ear infection it's almost certain that that antibiotic is going to have been made in India so its its a story about cost A number of people have accused China of sending over, essentially spies to Harvard University and stealing antibiotic strains. But nonetheless the Chinese did have a long history of fermentation

1:23:20 They make soy sauce, they make beer. They make rice wine vinegar and they knew how to ferment antibiotics and they started making antibiotic salts which are kind of like the base ingredient of antibiotics. They could do it so cheaply that manufacturers here in Europe said well why am I keeping open these factories when i can buy the active ingredients from China for a song import them over here and make the finished doses. And that's really what happened is that it was just economics and we stop making the drugs. But it's a whole ecosystem that has been harmful because antibiotic development stopped, one of the things I'm examining in my upcoming book is the problem when you have poor quality generics what does that do? That actually feeds drug resistance

1:24:21 If people are getting substandard doses, then drug resistance is growing as it is around the world. So this a giant problem. I mean this not just a problem of you know of a consumer in a drug store maybe getting a substandard quality drug and they don't actually know where it was manufactured This is a problem of public health worldwide Well that certainly isn't eye opener I'd say. And it makes so much sense the Chiners make all the fermented stuff, that's what they do! It's like damn yeah they do ferment, they're good fermenters

1:25:03 And we got the Indos making the Hundo's by putting it all together. In the meantime, it's all substandard so your obvious question is well what's the FDA doing? As it turns out, The Food and Drug Administration was never properly funded for this type of policing because It's not done in America! They have to go to China and they have to deal with the Chinese Have to go to India Deal with the Indians And guess what?! It's a scam! The FDA was set up as a domestic It was not an international agency. And suddenly around 2002, 2003, 2004 it finds itself tasked with becoming a global policeman of foreign manufacturing plants and there's a huge backlog in the scramble to keep up and they've got all kinds of problems that one problem that they have is who are they going to send to inspect these plans? Does anybody even want to go over there and do these trips to India can they station people there

1:26:01 What are the diplomatic impacts of this? What are the sort of statecraft impacts of this?" China doesn't even want to let our FDA inspectors in because they think they're all spies. So how are they going to solve this problem, and they solved it in a way that has actually been disastrous for public health. One of the ways that they solved is by giving all these manufacturing plants overseas advance notice that they're coming. They give them two months, three months advance notice to say please expect an inspection. Can you help our inspectors with transportation? Can you help them with hotel arrangements? Can you help us with visas? Can you get them an invitation letter? This is not how you do inspections to really find out what's going on in plants and what I'm uncovering which we'll chronicle in full detail in this book

1:26:58 But these plants have responded with these giant data falsification teams that arrive in advance or work in advance of the FDA inspections and basically inspect all the data. Now, if you're one of these plants why are you going to invest all this money up front to develop a generic drug and submit an application to the FDA when you don't know if they're going to approve it? Wouldn't it be better and smarter to fake the data to begin with, wait to get approval and then scramble to try to make the drug? So not only are we the most drugged out nation. We're getting bad shit!

1:27:39 Now, the thing that gets me is I don't understand why they don't use some quality control experts and just stop the stuff as it comes – as it's imported. Do random selection of various batches and you find any flaws in… In other words there's not enough… drugs in the drug and just reject a whole batch and send it back. I don't know, I don't see this being... Because that stops... The problem they're talking about That stops the money train! Like we're going over there, we're getting Chinese hookers and blow... No yeah but you need to go over there You just need to stop at it as it comes in Somehow your confused that our government is working on our behalf? I'm thinking their going over there party town

1:28:18 Well, there's I'm sure that it is going on. It's systemic. This whole story though makes no sense to me because it is easily solvable Oh, it's easily solvable? No doubt but come on the FDAs corrupt we know how corrupt they are There's what she isn't going into as the parties. I'm sure just big party on party on down everybody Well, the drug companies are notorious for that yeah So I'm gonna wrap this up with Of course, we have to talk about opioids and she has a little blurb on that. In big pharma where you really see the fraud is in marketing It's in sales. So we made this huge investment, we did all this research and now were going to try to expand all the indicators for these drugs. Hey you know opioids? Let's market them to children let's market them to old folks let's market them to everybody lets...you know I mean the big thing that Purdue Pharma did and you know i've written about it Purdue Pharma

1:29:18 is they tried to basically expand who they marketed their drug to. Normalize it? To normalize it, exactly! They tried to normalize it... Because our drug, they like to claim that it was non-addictive. Right And therefore could be safely marketed by ordinary doctors to sort of ordinary pain patients Yeah That it was no longer going to just reserved for a dying cancer patient It was gonna be marketed to you know anybody with the backache That's what happened there There ya go! That's the scam. It's in the marketing where we live

1:29:57 We see it every day. And here's the wrap-up. Catherine Eban is an investigative reporter whose articles on pharma... Oops, that was the wrong one I'm sorry. Wrap up? What was that? No, that was the last one. I'm sorry. That's uh yeah! That was it. That was it. I'm done Well that's disgusting Yeah! I can't wait to read her forthcoming book If it shows up This just in You're gonna get a kick out of this A newly unsealed FBI search warrant shows Las Vegas gunman Steven Paddock had a ZTE phone. Oh, yeah connect the dots Connect that they're just trying to throw that in for no good reason Isn't it great? Slammed that slam zte for just gratuitous well isn't it interesting that Trump you know was just all over ZTE He used being too as his search engine Well he's a smart man why do you think he's president kids if you want to be president use Bing I

1:31:05 How about that? I have a couple of little slammed items that they sent out just for no good reason. One of them is Trump and Melania tweet, did you hear this one is a good one. While her exact kidney issue has not been released White House says the treatment was for a benign condition And the president tweeted it was good to have her home, even though in his haste to tweet he misspelled her name and spelled it Melanie. He also thanked everyone for their well wishes for his wife." What an idiot! Damn autocorrect! Did you hear? The running joke was she had a tumor removed from her kidney but Trump kept coming back. You know tons of jokes

1:31:49 That you got that from the chat room? No, no. I got it...no thats from the face bags. No thats what-thats the joke i saw out there in the meads So ummm....you did it again You drinking honey wine is that what your talking about? Yeah are you saying soa? Soa? yeah Go ahead. Okay, here's another one and then here's what I call the gratuitous why do you even have this story on the network news? This is the one that unfortunately misspelled every damn near every word in this thing but it says grabbing ATV straw Back here tonight in reports of a new meeting at Trump Tower during the campaign that has drawn the attention of the special prosecutor, Robert Mueller. The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal reporting on the August 2016 meeting Donald Trump Jr., meeting with an Israeli social media specialist and an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes who presented a social media campaign to help his father win the election. A lawyer for Don Jr confirms the meeting but says the president's son told him he was not interested

1:32:53 Next to breaking news out of... Stop the presses! Is that the stupidest story ever? You gotta do something, Mignogna. It was a weekend. This is like a scandal now every time he took a crap Do they have all that documented and people often ask why we don't rail on Trump the way We used to rail on Obama it has nothing to do with the president it has to do with the media But you know what the media is what were against Yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out. What is their agenda? Where's that coming from? Well, it's obviously coming from the intelligence agencies that own them. Yes and a large corporation. Yes days of media independent media seem to be pretty close to being over I mean intelligence and defense are corporate media defenses all I mean corporate defense is all corporations It's you Lockheed Boeing Rand and an intelligence is Facebook Amazon with the cloud for the now they want us store the new they want to Amazon or whatever

1:33:56 It's not necessarily Amazon, I understand. And they have a great name for it too, I forget but anyway this intelligence cloud they want to be able to store nuclear secrets in the cloud Come on! What are we talking about people? This is crazy Storing it in the cloud That has a great name what the hell was the name of that? Is it one of those acronyms Ah, dammit. Maybe the troll room will know. Alright so now I got my little tidbit for you. Okay Uh, this one really gets me cause I watched cooking shows on Saturday morning and I have to say, I watched the Martha Stewart stuff and you wonder what then they're actually quite good. She has good recipes, she has a good technique, she does all this stuff but then when you look at the credits at the end, she has five chefs, a recipe writer and all these other people in the background doing all the real heavy lifting and she just comes out as the presenter

1:34:56 I mean, everybody else that does these shows like Jacques Pepin. He doesn't have a bunch of chefs and recipe writers he just knows how to cook but she doesn't you know? I've never had the impression that she was much more than a woman who had arranged floral do floral arrangements and make tables look nice But she presents herself as Martha bakes and Martha cooks since the cooking school supposedly but it's because she's got a huge staff very talented people. And so what she presents is always, except once in a while I think they pull this fast one on her but she presents extremely good stuff but she always says certain things that just

1:35:34 or irksome, one of the words she says constantly is scrumptious. Which is a word that as a pet peeve I don't like the word scrumptious it's creepy and people say to me oh its so...it's scrumptious you know doesn't mean anything. Well well it means something clearly it means something. It means nothing, it means your an idiot now So here's Martha Stewart yammering there's something in here that bugs me Places to a platter or two individual plates. So gorgeous and serve while it is piping hot There's a lot to unpack there of irksomeness so gorgeous she constantly says Constantly I think in this show she said at least three times piping hot

1:36:28 Yes, piping hot. What does that mean? It's a phrase from the Shays it's 30 under 30. 30 from the thirties I tried to look it up and I'll read you some stuff about piping hot what is it? It means very hot like a stovepipe like stove pipe hot Is that where comes from I'm gonna read the origin of the phrase. In Scotland, ceremonial dishes of food were often brought to the table by the accompaniment of bagpipes as they were piped in. This could easily be imagined to be the origin of piping hot. It isn't though nor does the phrase derive from food being piped aboard ships. The derivation of this little phrase is the sizzling whistling sound made by steam escaping from very hot food which is similar to a high-pitched musical pipe. I don't buy this!

1:37:13 You can do that. You can emulate that sound on your recorder! Like yeah, here we go. Here's piping hot in audio there you go yes Oh, are you nailing it? It's just so good no that's bullcrap I have never had a whistling sound come from anything other than one of those Boilers that has the whistle on it This is nonsense and there's no evidence that they can find out what this really came from Chaucer in fact used the term in 1390 He said they sent her sweetened wine and well-spiced ale and waffles piping hot out of the fire. Well, what kind of food did they make back then? Maybe it's that maybe you're not doing the right food I have no idea but this term that she keeps saying Lobster lobster lobster drives me nuts It's like it's really annoying to say piping hot when nobody even knows the origin of this stupid word phrase When your boiler lobster he can whistle yeah

1:38:15 Hey, get me out of here. Closed! Well I'm glad that you did some work and were able to combine that with your personal life It's a joint enterprise defense infrastructure Jedi Get it? That's cute Yeah they're so cute...Jedi But then i don't think they're going to give it all to Amazon Apparently that's off the table Amazon is playing Bezos is playing the good game appealing to them. He controls the Washington Post, which is anti-Trump. It's all good I don't know why they wouldn't just give it to Bezos maybe he's getting too powerful. He's the world's richest man now I understand. Well of course it's too powerful way too powerful let's do a little Iran Bitcoin check oh we are on the rise a little bit I mean here on The No Agenda Show we will let you know if something's going on with Iran based upon the price of bitcoin currently

1:39:18 8,512. We are back on the rise on CNBC. Our data partners at Ken show what happens after the US government puts new sanctions on Iran as it did yesterday a week later oil is up more than 1.5 percent. That scam worked! It's a classic. One point five percent is nothing. Nothing. Not as though skyrocketing now I know but you get my point But the EU is now considering direct transfers with the Iranian Central Bank, which would make oil for euros. Yeah that's not good This is a very... this is a bad idea I don't understand are they crazy? I don't know why they haven't looked at history and see what happens to people who try this scam We know this is not a good idea Why would you do that just why?

1:40:15 Is that close the Iranian section? Yeah, that's all I got on Iran and nothing else. Here we go here's this here's a here's the breaking news This is a kind of a local story But it's kind of taking over the whole country and it doesn't make a lot of sense but it's a fact less babies in California. No, gee I'm from the future! California's birth rate has fallen to its lowest level in a century. The CDC says 471 thousand babies were born last year down 3% from the year before. The current birth rate is even lower now than it was during the Great Depression. California's drop is consistent with a decrease nationwide but comes at a time when the general population is aging

1:40:57 The rate of people over 65 is increasing dramatically. That we have to have more babies or have people having more children. Experts suggest that many women are waiting longer to have babies until they are more financially stable, or not having them at all Well you're just baiting me! You're just leading me along A lot of this, of course has to do with the sending all the kids to college and then breaking them with unbelievable debt. Yes The whole thing's a scam! Well and...and of course we know that they still have the urge And they you know still need to have that parental... So they get the dog Dogs are people too That's right dogs are people too And we have a note

1:41:47 We have a note from Michelle and Michelle is in Candinavia. She lives in the Okanagan Valley, what do you think it is? It's in BC. Pretty liberal overall and huge tourist area I currently work at dog boarding kennel though not for much longer I can say with authority that some people are absolutely nuts about their pets and don't consider them as anything less than a true child. You should see some of the feeding slash care instructions we get. You ready, John? Some instructions from the pet owners? No! My dog will not drink tap water you need to use only filtered or bottled water or he won't drink

1:42:33 Meanwhile the dog drinks out of muddy puddles while in our care. Yeah, won't drink tap water sure My dog cannot be left in a crate I Absolutely do not want her confined like that it's cruel and it freaks her out and she cries I registered her as an emotional support animal so I can have her on my lap while flying for that very reason Which just blew my mind. She's the emotional support animal, her! No! Well yes exactly. She sounds like the emotional support animal for the dog. Yes and this blew my mind when I'm like oh my god

1:43:08 These people they don't need their pets but dogs in particular are so much their children. I am glad these people are taking themselves out of the gene pool Meanwhile, the dog is placed in a crate for 10 to 20 minutes for her safety while a larger dog Is in the immediate vicinity where she's quiet as a mouse and falls asleep in the cage She's so comfortable By the way, this owner also puts a bow on her dog's head that she changes every day and makes us make them for her even though it is ridiculously simple to make your own at home. I have showed her how talk about high maintenance. My first wife used to do that we had a Yorkshire Terrier and she would put a bow... It was male too.

1:44:00 The old gay dog. The irony, the dog's name was Blondie which was Hitler's dogs name so just irony we also see a lot of dogs on anti-anxiety medications as well I could go on but it's simply too much I find that is more common than not to have pet parents act this way however there are still a few people that recognize their pet as a pet and not people I'm starting a new job. Give you some karma for it yet will get you that thank very much Michelle appreciate it so It's pretty rampant and now downtown Denver just read this this morning, and this is a problem We haven't talked about yet because I think we can agree that it's really urban areas That are doing this dog thing replacing children with dogs And being the emotional support mammal for your pet grass and trees under siege

1:44:57 Downtown Denver's thousands of peeing pooches spark called to protect urban greenery and this is true We have around our building everywhere. Please don't let your dog pee in the everyone the dog out the building right into the into the shrubs where it's a sign The standing there holding the dog and the sciences, please Don't only your dog do his business here? And they just letting them peas destroys everything It's destroying our city It is it's I'm very I'm very irked about it, but I think that's obvious anyway Yeah, you go to get in and out outro yeah, that's the best. Yeah, I think this is an issue By the way who was the woman who sent in the kennel stuff to you Michelle? Oh

1:45:57 Yeah, Michelle. I should get a hold of her because i think there's a book in this! I mean that's probably she got the tip of the iceberg. Confessions Of A Kennel Caretaker? Yes something like that. Oh like when you think we're feeding your dog bottled water and letting him drink out of muddy puddles yeah all the nutty stuff like that. That is classic and I believe it to be true dogs aren't picky about their water Why don't you write it with her? They drink the yeah, I can do that. They drink from the toilet Dogs nightmares a lid hits him on the head And I don't hate dogs. I really like dogs Man, I'll tell you so they're expecting in this in one apartment building No, I'm sorry not one apartment building in Denver three thousand of 3,000 apartments 1200 of them will have dogs

1:46:57 That's that's pretty significant. Yeah, there's also a lot of dogs There's also a movie in here dog poop and when we have you know some kind of high-pitched Ultrasonic sound that is broadcast through web browsers everywhere and through phones I'm sorry through phones And just makes the dogs go nuts and attack everybody this is great be great It's a good movie then people would be really freaked out like crap mom. I could really hop them oh Especially with Trump as president. Yeah, I think you saw Kingsman one that you had the oh yeah now You're right That's it. That's the concept except same story. Yeah except It'll be the dogs and not the not the people themselves all right? I have Let me see like just got a little Little mini bit here about the Koch brothers they're back on the scene of course we have midterms coming up So you know

1:47:59 Those dangerous Koch brothers. But there's a twist this time around! The Koch brothers are libertarians, they're not conservatives so they've clashed with the president in a number of ways especially the direction of the Republican Party So where the president wants tariffs they want free trade Where the president wants a hard line on immigration They want to fix for dreamers Where the President has decided to sign a spending bill that would increase deficit The Koch brother have really opposed that from the start So what are they doing now? The Hispanic outreach arm of the Koch network is doing something they've never done before, and that is to spend money praising Democrats at the federal level who they've worked with on a solution — on a legislative solution for these Dreamers. They're going to send out about more than 100,000 mailers to various people in the districts of five Democrats.

1:48:54 Notable that one of these folks is the chairman of the House Democratic campaign arm in a midterm year. We also want to note that there are nine Republican lawmakers, so they're not going all-in with Democrats it's just notable but this is one of the first times they're actually spending money to praise Democrats. Who are the Democrats gonna kick around this election then? I don't know what they're gonna do. The Koch brothers have always been kind of like, they support public radio and broadcasting and most of the money goes to PBS News Hour. For sure but at the same time we know that the Koch brothers are just like everything has been bought and paid for! Koch Brothers control everything

1:49:40 And they, you know, hated Trump and put their money against him. And he won so how powerful can they be? Yeah right I don't know So i have a clip of this is kind of the anti-gun thing which relates to an earlier story but this one particular incident really has me galled Because of the way Jackie Speier, a congressman local congressman in her anti-gun Democrat and that gun rant. It's just disingenuous it's bullcrap it's got nothing to do with anything and is still presented the way its presented as you listen to it right here. Woman Jackie Speier continues to advocate for tighter restrictions on guns. As a survivor of gun violence I'm

1:50:31 I know what it's like to live with it the rest of your life. We can do better than this." There was a time in this country where the NRA wasn't dictating what we did as a nation, and we've got to get back to that. You might recall Speer was shot five times during the Jonestown massacre back in 1978. Congressman Leo Ryan was killed. She is a survivor of gun violence in another country! This is like saying that all of our veterans that came back from the Iraq war or anything else are always all survivors of gun violence. Yeah, just like I'm the survivor of the War on Drugs! It's nonsense she wasn't a survivor of any gun violence that took place in the United States this was in a foreign country What happened to her? She went down there with Congressman Ryan to Jim Jones' operation

1:51:26 to see what the hell was going on because I mean it was stupid to go down there but they went down there to see what's going on because it was a cult that this San Francisco preacher had set up in Ghana and he had about 900-1000 followers there. And he was brutalizing, using him as slave labor sex slaves... He was just a horrible person and But it was praised by all the liberals. They thought this was great because he was doing good work. You're not pronouncing it right, it's liberals. Liberals! Anyway so there were a lot of complaints somehow got the word out maybe somebody even escaped

1:52:07 And he's like running a prison thing in the jungle of Guyana. Oh, and so Ryan decides to make a big scene is going to go down there and investigate congressional and he took a crew people with him by maybe 10 people and they've He looked around, he didn't see too much going on. It was leaving the- it was gonna go fly back they didn't know what to think and so they started shooting at the party as they were getting on the planes and they killed him. Shot Jackie two or three times that she was trying to get out And you know I guess they finally ran back into the jungle and then she came back uh... As a victim of gun violence but this is not any sort of

1:52:47 normalized gun violence. It was a screwball situation after that is when Jones thought the jig was up and he decided to make everyone drink the Kool-Aid and it killed 900 people who are buried in a very obscure cemetery in Oakland, which I discovered but well in a mass grave while you were telling me that story it just kind of hit me we're a little mmm little slow on the ball about the Ebola story today is Election Day Election day where? In the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Oh, okay well that makes sense. So they want to keep people home don't go and vote stay home scare Ebola we need people we have a vaccine stay at home... Stay at home citizens your vaccine is coming! Stay at home do not leave your homes citizens your vaccine is coming it will work your vaccine is coming stay at home citizens

1:53:48 Yeah, it could be. Who is going on about the Congo being the world's greatest place? Manny Patinkin Oh right! Ah Hold on a second was that before the Ebola crisis? The Redux? Hold up... Patinkin I kept calling him Patimkin as though there's the Russian guy but no Patinkin somebody called me out on it Yeah, he's talking about the Congo. What would you have? How would you spell his name? M-A-N-N-Y Oh Manny no but this last name PIT something PIT something. I'm sure PA PI T a I don't think so pitting patinkin is pit ik and i think it could be pitey I don't know

1:54:42 I can't find it. That's for sure, I can't find the clips. Sorry yeah that's because of no can't find it and my record anyway okay well so there you go so there seems like the Ebola thing is probably the Ebola scare maybe related to having people stay home we'll see what happens if there's gonna be riots or what goes on today It's a show day after all Maybe we should just briefly The best thing I ever did was getting off the grid. Getting off the grid, baby! Tons of emails still coming in and this is not really so much about getting off the grid right now but this is more about the tracking we got a number very interesting emails I think you got this one as well from uh... One of our producers who works in who used to work in the United Arab Emirates at an LBS location-based services provider

1:55:40 And he said in the morning gents as my contribute as my contribution to the show I'd like to bring some of my hard obtained knowledge to your attention something you were talking about in the show about how two people In the same room get the same recommended videos on YouTube because it was small and aging algo known as LBS or location-based services which picks up your IP address and recommends videos on basis of your general election. In The case of cell phones, I used to work for an SMS provider in UAE by the name of Value First, an overly Indian company with me as its first non-Indian employee who got fired when I cheered too much about the cricket match between India and Pakistan which Pakistan won. And I got fired for being a Paki okay too much information i'm sure we used to sell our clients LB... personal grudge right like you imagine your working at an ear Pakistani working in an Indian company the Pakis are winning you're like y'all

1:56:36 Of course, you're out. You're fired. Yeah, you shut up! We used to sell our clients LBS SMS's wherein our clients could send clients SMS is based on the basis of their location which we used to pick up through cell phone triangulation so when you enter the mall of Dubai you would receive an SMS about the food court special deals in any sales etc Coming into the conversation about the algo picking up ads on base of your conversations I agree with John the voice is too muffled to send any information however The aid words are not picked up during your breakfast table Conversations it's picked up during your telephone calls most phones will record every call as a default setting this specifically Android 5.0 1 point one two five point oh point one devices may be true, I don't know

1:57:24 But it appears that these chips that are in these phones really do give away a lot of information to the cell phone company. We have a couple more... Examples of what I think is pure location-based targeting. This is Steve from Massachusetts on the last show you were talking about ads my wife received ads on her laptop about a new car, I was researching including the exact car and dealership. I've never used her laptop. I think the ads are shared on all devices on the same network. I've seen ads online for things she's interested in looks like I need to use a VPN Then we have

1:58:03 This is also an interesting one from anonymous. I have a scenario that backs up your hypothesis on location-based sharing of information, i'm a software engineer with many years of experience my wife and daughter were looking at stethoscopes as she needs one for her nursing school They were using my wife's laptop, and she was using her own account that is totally separate from my account. The next day I log on to my computer with my own account and notice an ad for a stethoscope! That's pretty obscure right there... This is something I'm certain I've never searched for and found it more than a little unsettling My wife and I spoke about this and we're now divorced Oh no And we thought it too Must have something to do base- But is this on the same machine though? No It's different machine at work Okay

1:58:46 My wife and I spoke about this, and we too thought it must be doing something based on searches. Oh in the same house? I'm sorry not at work just as you spoke of on the last show Also one day at work i logged onto my personal email shortly after that i got ads for stethoscopes At work again very unsettling i can imagine do We know if It's a different machine we need is still not clear to me okay i don't know from The Email because If It's The Same Machine A cookie Could Do That Of Course if It'S the same machine bread in Cincinnati Pretty clean example of one way I know we're being tracked. We recently sold a house in preparation slash staging it, we wanted to use an air mattress on the spare bed frame to show how bedroom would look fully configured my wife accidentally lead on the mattress and popped it on a sharp corner of the metal bed frame notice how this good husband says she accidentally popped it you know wasn't her fault It was probably my fault

1:59:38 I shouldn't have suggested in the first place. Since we had a showing later in the day, she went straight to Cabela's and bought a new air mattress on a credit card The next day Amazon was showing me ads for the exact brand of mattress my wife bought the day before at a bricks-and-mortar retail establishment We did no online shopping for this product. We had no intention of buying it, never talked about buying it and did no online research." The only way Amazon could get this data would be either from the retailer or the credit card company in this case Discover Card and either case they also they had to give Amazon the card number to correlate it to me yeah well Amazon buys that data so that makes a lot of sense but that did bring me two final emails here Ron says Adam I noticed that the ad is always for the exact thing I bought

2:00:26 And this is one of my gripes, you know. Why are you showing me the ad that I just bought the product for? He says, I think this might be to affect a bogus statistic apparently in PPC advertising pay-per-click conversion tracking items purchased within 30 days of an ad run count as a conversion and he says maybe... He's thinking it was done on a reverse basis Well, I looked it up And payment on, and this is a lot of Google's core business is the pay-per-click stuff which is why they like doing click fraud as much as possible. Let's see it's very murky there's a lot of information about tracking and analytics of conversion but when it gets to

2:01:16 Actual conversions and the window they call it the conversion window It can vary from 30 days to 90 to 90 days here clicks conversions clicked Where is it? Clicks conversions are convergence that happen once an ad has been clicked in the user completes a desired action there can be multiple conversions from one user if multiple items were purchased or Each platform tracks conversions in a different method. Now, it's possible that maybe...it seems unlikely here the conversion window is the time from when a user clicks on an ad to when they actually convert each platform uses a different window which can impact the number of conversions reported for example AdWords cookies expire 90 days after customers click

2:02:05 While analytics uses a cookie that lasts for up to six months. AdWords conversions can have a window between seven to 90 days, that means if a customer completed conversion after 91 days the conversion wouldn't be recorded and so you wouldn't have to pay for it now I'm sure there's a lot of people who know exactly how this stuff works who are listening to the show but i'd like to know if there's any thinking that perhaps some of these companies are actually doing this just to ramp up their income It seems unlikely, it seems like once you've had the conversion an incredible waste of resources. So either they know the conversion was there or they don't know that conversion was there? No I think your not looking at it from the perspective of someone who might be larcenous You just bought item Gizmo and then you get the ad for the gizmo And than they say look he bought the gizmo! He served in ad and he bought the gizmo Yeah

2:03:04 And then why do they serve the ad again? Taking credit for as if the gizmo was bought because of the ad. When the ad came after, he already bought it! Right... Yeah then he did credit and said look advertiser, did advertisement work because you bought your gizmo we have proof of that It's like spiking the ball! And of course we do have some people to thank and I have a couple messages. I'll read after the thank you list

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2:09:39 We want to thank these people and everybody who came in under $50, typically for reasons of anonymity or on one of the many subscription programs we have. You talked about that in the newsletter, Dvorak.org slash NA and this is our value for value model I mentioned earlier how big pharma advertisers are God And you had a good line in the newsletter saying people who don't donate which is probably 98% of the audience Maybe more. They'll say, well you know if you want to make money on your little podcast then why don't you get some advertising? Well here's the reason why we don't do that because the advertiser is God and you will adhere to the god of the United States even though were global I think this god thing goes for a couple other countries as well certainly when it comes to reporting on current events and news

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2:12:07 You've got karma. Did you see the creepy Google video? Give me a couple of little insight. Maybe I have, maybe I haven't It's about a 10 minute video Oh no! I haven't seen it Okay So this video shows up...it's from..It's a couple years old It's about 9 minutes And it's Google giving us the kind of background of epigenics and you know some Darwinism What is Epigenic? I have no idea

2:13:16 Well, let's look it up. I'm like epigenics John will know what that means. He'll say yes, epigenics of course we know. Then let's stop the story in its tracks and... Consult the book of knowledge! Epigenics, a study in changes in organisms caused by modifications of gene expression rather than alteration of the genetic code itself. Yes so... How am I supposed to know? Nobody knows that! But okay. Right well it's-it's the new It's the new new The news is happening thing Okay we'll keep on with this So this video is very slow and very stylized and very slow music

2:14:03 And what it shows is how Google wants to control the people. Oh yeah! It's done by Google? Yes, and here so this was published... It was a Google production? Yes oh yeah and Google has answered and I'm gonna play a couple clips from it. Google has answered they said no we a couple years back had these special meetings we get you know executives together and we talk about good and bad things like this is one way that of course A training exercise just to see, this is what we don't- We never do this of course. It's just future dreaming it's what we do here at Google! But people actually do that? That was their response because there's no way if they took down one single copy of this video People would go ape shit I'm going to play the relevant bits for you This is really a benefit of listening to The No Agenda Show So you don't have to sit through this whole thing cause its pretty tedious

2:14:59 to listen to this entire video and watch it. Here we go, setting that up... So just the pertinent bits from what's called The Selfish Ledger I'll just explain that a little bit The idea is that just like DNA We are containers of this epigenetic information which is data And these data things we learn such as don't touch your hot stove I don't know, it could be or how we respond in certain circumstances or where we want to live. The concept of the epigenetics is that that is passed down through generations and eventually you'll have generations of kids who understand the stove wouldn't even go close to it even though they've never been burned or would always want to live in a cave or whatever it is here's the intro. So hold on so this is this is the way they're presenting as a form of genetic memory? Correct

2:15:57 Correct correct may be considered a Lamarckian epigenome are constantly evolving representation of who we are Okay, so what they're saying is when you collect all the data that you the trail of data You'll even behind We can figure out exactly what that means and when we have this ledger. We can start modifying your behavior with suggestions initially the notion of a second Shouldn't it this be in the OTG segment? Well, the whole show is an OTD G segment at this point I'm just saying it just seemed like it would be nice and that package because this seems like This would be a complaint of yours. Yes it well That's why I have a multi clip compilage package you may continue. I'm sorry for interrupting It's okay initially The notion of a goal-oriented ledger maybe user driven as an organization Google would be responsible for offering suitable targets for users ledger

2:16:53 Whilst the notion of a global good is problematic, topics would likely focus on health or environmental impact to reflect Google's values as an organisation. Once the user selects a volition for their ledger every interaction may be compared to a series of parallel options If one of these options allows the ledger to move closer to its goal it will be offered up to the user Over time, by selecting these options the user's behavior may be modified and the ledger moves closer to its target. As this line of thinking accelerates and the notion of a goal-driven ledger becomes more palatable suggestions may be converted not by the user but by the ledger itself In this case, the ledger is missing a key data source which it requires in order to better understand this user. In order to plug the gap in his knowledge the ledger begins searching for a device which delivers the required data when used

2:17:46 From this list, the ledger begins sorting the options most likely to appeal to user in question. Okay so you understand what they're saying? It's pretty much what they're doing now! Yes, pretty much what they're doing now. So bing it! Just bing it! And now they'll get into the this how important the data is like DNA It's passed on through the generations by thinking of user data as multi-generational It becomes possible for emerging users to benefit from the preceding generation's behaviors and decisions As new users enter an ecosystem They begin to create their own trail of data By comparing this emergent ledger with the mass of historical user data, it becomes possible to make increasingly accurate predictions about decisions and future behaviors.

2:18:32 As cycles of collection and comparison extend, it may be possible to develop a species-level understanding of complex issues such as depression health and poverty. Our ability to interpret user data combined with the exponential growth in sensor enabled objects will result in an increasingly detailed account of who we are as people. As these streams of information are brought together the effect is multiplied new patterns become apparent and new predictions become possible I love that they denounce this. No, we'd never do that! Why would they denounce it? It sounds exactly like what they're doing and what they should be doing if they're trying to do what they're trying to do which is take over the world with a bunch of global warming nonsense Here's the wrap-up We are at the very beginning of our journey of understanding in the field of user data by applying our knowledge of epigenetics inheritance and memetics to this field

2:19:26 we may be able to make mental leaps in our understanding, which could offer benefits to this generation, to future generations and the species as a whole. And... To Google of course! So now you didn't creepy music is what makes it like What doubles up the creep? Yeah, and it's pretty well produced It looks like they actually went out and shot You know new peep man on the street crowd footage you know people walking around with phones data coming in. No It's all very consistent TV people working their consistent footage Oh for sure Just yeah I just love that they just denounce it well They're liars no

2:20:07 Well, they are and also I've changed the the word AI Instead of artificial intelligence. I'm calling it artificial interpretation It was playing with that my craft throughout the weekend You know trying to get it to work properly than the open-source talking tube which is pretty good except it doesn't have an array And all of it is just interpretation. I think we should continue to use that term. I'm not gonna use it Doesn't make any sense to me. It's artificial interpretation is exactly what it is It's interpreting the image or just I would use the term bullshit rather than one of those two terms Skip logic bullshit Shit, I did have a thought though for any dudes named Ben out there who want to make some real artificial interpretation bullshit Why not have a bot that? connects to my IMAP server and

2:21:10 Which also tells me when an email is marked red or unread, etc. And train it that way! It seems like the thing that you could really change the world if you could fix email I would be so happy...I think its possible You don't think people are working on this constantly? No Well sure we have spam, Bayesian spam logic which is kind of the core of artificial intelligence Or as you call it bullshit And I agree, I'm agreeing with you on that. But it seems like if you fix that... If you really fix what each individual person deems is important That would be a revolution! So no, I don't think they're working on it. Well then why not start an email company? There's our exit strategy Oh yeah

2:22:00 Yeah, that's like I was a billionaire and got into aviation now. I'm a millionaire That's what we need John. He broke we need to get it We need to get into email companies what could possibly go wrong? No, I don't think so anyway, I think it's I think it's a damning evidence the bid that Google is out to change our Behavior en masse and they're very capable of doing it today Yeah, they're probably doing it as we speak They're all, you know, hillbots. So what are you gonna do? So we have our local story, we got Libby Schaaf versus Trump. If you want to play a little bit back in the news? Who is Libby Schaaf? Libby Schaaf's the mayor of Oakland. Oh yes! Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf has answered back to President Trump's comments suggesting that the Department of Justice should investigate her for possible obstruction of justice. This stems from her alerting the community in February about upcoming ice raids NBC Bay Area's Christy Smith spoke with Schaaf today about her op-ed in The Washington Post

2:23:02 Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf is meeting with neighbors today outside a barber shop to hear their concerns. Part of her Mobile Mayor program. Lots of times I get thanked for warning my community about an impending ice raid, but sometimes people just want to talk about the pothole on their street about that warning in February that immediately drew anger from President Trump. She said she wanted people to be prepared, not panicked and know their rights this week president trump directed this suggestion at Attorney General Jeff Sessions I mean you talk about obstruction of justice i would recommend that you look into obstruction of justice for the mayor of Oakland California Jeff. I'm surprised that the president continues to obsess

2:23:47 with his vindictiveness about trying to hold me up on charges. Schaaf is responding, she explains her position in a Washington Post op-ed In it she says she's not obstructing justice She's seeking it She says the paper reached out to her That's what the kicker was. Yes, The Washington Post reached out to her. Yeah So in other words they had pre-written some anti Trump screed They call her up and say, hey you know we you know you're getting slammed by the president. We want you to write an op-ed for us. We have some ideas Yeah like this? You wanna...like this. You wanna look it over maybe and maybe give us a like a you know put your twist on it And we'll run it! And then you get there be in the newspaper That's like aggressive Oh that's uh

2:24:42 It's what they do. That's their rights, the free press right to a free press. Free press? Hey you know I told you this story and uh... You were seeing no evidence of it which is you know it's California whole different country um Maryland seafood industry loses 40% of workforce in visa lottery nearly half of the eastern shore crab houses have NO CRAB! Told ya Yeah, so what happened – now I understand the story a little better – is the visa lottery for the H-2B visas used to be first come first serve and the company who needs to hire… What's an H-2B compared to H1B? Okay. An H-2B is a temporary worker for seasonal. This is what Trump uses at Mar-a-Lago and his other places.

2:25:31 You bring in seasonal people from mainly Mexico and they have a visa, and then they're supposed to go back. H2B temporary non-ag workers? Right this is not ag this is seafood And so that used to be you could get in early, okay I need 150 of these visas. Now that changed and I don't know why or I'm not sure exactly what happened but apparently it's now being done on a lottery basis so your allocated whatever you can get as an employer

2:26:08 Yeah, and I don't know why that change was made but now there seems to be a huge shortage of workers particularly in the crabbing business. They can't get any Americans out of you know homeless? This is my question what why Why don't we see if anyone else wants to do this? What is wrong with us us no, I mean come on kids But no crab cakes. Especially back east, that's where crab cakes are the best I got no crab cakes baby! Crab cakes Yes Maryland for sure they're fantastic Yeah and soft-shelled crab would be the other loss Oh I love soft shell crab There was a woman on Tucker Carlson show And i think I've cut him out so it doesn't count as a Tucker clip She is from live action she's the president Lila Rose

2:27:11 And it was about Planned Parenthood and Title X, and you know of course the Republicans Dimension A all just incensed about Planned Parenthood. You know this money they're getting for abortions The story though isn't really about the abortions and this wasn't eye-opening to me I'm sure yeah, I'm probably gonna play this clip and go like hey didn't know that but I certainly never thought about it this way because Planned Parenthood... You didn't know this? Yeah, no. I don't even know what you're going to play just get out of the way Just say it, just get out of the way. They get a half a billion dollars annually for Medicare from Medicare but there's they really have two organizations The People Asking For Money is a separate 501c4

2:27:57 which is a lobbying organization, but there's hundreds of millions and they probably bring in eight or nine hundred billion a year for their operation. But they really only need a few hundred million to perform what they're performing, and it doesn't matter what they do. Listen to this! It's ridiculous there are literally thousands of federally qualified health centers that are far more qualified to provide holistic care that don't commit abortions that could receive both the Medicaid reimbursement money and Title 10 money And there other providers that can receive that money The DNC is in the pocket of Planned Parenthood Once they get their half-a-billion dollars of money a year from taxpayers because of the Democrats

2:28:33 unfortunately right now and the Republicans in some ways enabling it by not fighting it enough, then they turn around and fund the Democrats. In their election so its a real pass through of money See, this is what I hadn't figured out. The reason why they want Planned Parenthood around is not because they don't want to kill unborn children —I don't think they care really— the idea is if you get all this money through legislation flows into Planned Parenthood and use several hundred million of it and the rest they used flow into campaigns for next round of douchebags who are going again put in laws that more money comes in and flows into the DNC. Yes!

2:29:12 Huge scam and I'm sure that doesn't I'm sure the Republic maybe that's what the NRA does. I don't know It was very possible, although I don't think the NRA gets government money kind of money They don't get government money right but that's like oh And I heard you in my head going well You don't know this it's a scam. That's a scam But this also hit me like now Now I understand what the problem is we're following dead babies instead of following the money stupid We need to forget the dead babies look at the money Get in the way. It's just getting in the way truly on about dead babies we have We have this little thing going I want to get this clip out of the way best transition ever speaking of dead babies dead babies Called bad segue yeah, so Vinod Khosla who we know from Kleiner Perkins He used to be one of the hot shots at Kleiner Perkins and they became a big kind of a feud between him and John Doerr

2:30:18 And Kosta was trying to get a door kicked out and doors trying to get him kicked out and door one, it became chairman of Kleiner Perkins. Everybody else is kind of retired and Kosta started his own operation and somewhere along the line he bought some beachfront property. Yeah? And he's, and there is one road to the end of surfers love the surf that area just in front of his property which he claims as his and they shouldn't be anybody on this beach. It has been a big scandal and it has do with the road that he's blocked It's his road and he has blocked it so he can't drive out to this beach and surf. And it is just a douche bag city, the whole thing but I clipped this to show you what happens when...and he sounds so innocent in this whole thing. It was very interesting story." He's a hero to would-be founders and entrepreneurs posing for photos after his keynote speech at a startup competition in San Francisco

2:31:14 But 30 miles south, folks have a bit of different opinion of Anad Khashla. He put up the gate and started arresting surfers The billionaire founder of Sun Micro was at the center of controversy over public access to Martins Beach The beach is public but the only road to get there is not And Khashla wants to keep it that way It's strictly a matter of principle It's the first time we've heard from Khashla himself on this issue which he says is not about beach access but private property He pointed us to this blog he wrote defending his position and criticizing what he called unfair media coverage. Do you know Open Beach Access has never existed on that property ever?

2:31:53 He explains that former owners only allowed access to people who paid for parking. It was a business, but when Khoshla bought it he says the state said he couldn't make basic business decisions things like changing hours of operation or the $10 fee and you know how the courts have ruled there's no public access? But in his separate suit The Surfrider Foundation argues even if it is private property If he wants to close the gate or charge more for parking its quote development and Khoshla should have to get a permit Yeah, just like everybody else. Even though it's his own private property? Well even though you got a...it is your own private car you gotta get a driver's license. Robert Coughlin of the Surfrider Foundation says the issue is access. The surfers just want access to the ocean. But Coshle argues that the state could have bought the property itself instead

2:32:42 letting him buy it than restricting his rights. I think he knew everything that he was getting into. Koshla is now taking this case to the Supreme Court and if he wins, it could ultimately affect the entire California coast. If you win this could set a precedent for coastal access statewide does that bother Absolutely bothers me, but we need a coastal commission that works with property owners to follow the law. Still he says he doesn't want restrict access but it's a matter of principle you know sometimes I'd rather do the harder right thing than the easier wrong thing. I love your self-righteousness Oh totally oh my god

2:33:31 Yeah, well as you said we only need one leader. One leader to come out with some pitchforks Oh yeah, we need a Mao Tse-Tung of the homeless and the surfers for that matter Ah, the surfer's are pretty... they're pacifists Lay back bro! Lay back! Man.... It's okay man I can walk All right, you got anything else? I've got just an indie bookstore story. It's a very unusual situation that is occurring... Well let's do it! I'm interested in the indie bookstore. Yeah, lets play that. That will be our last story for the day Across the country, the last Saturday of April was Independent Bookstore Day There are about 1700 of them in the U.S A decade ago they appeared to be on the verge of extinction But recent years hundreds have opened Tony DeCoppo has more on America's Indie Book Store boom

2:34:29 And I frequently lie to my children. On a Thursday night in LaGrange, Illinois comedy fans were all but rolling in the aisles which is good news if you're selling what's in those aisles that's right this is a bookstore you're coming in. Help me draw the connection between books and comedy shows because we host a lot of different events it's good for business but it's also good for our community Becky Anderson is a co-owner of Anderson Books which began as a pharmacy and has been in her family for five generations It's now a small successful chain in the Chicago area and it turns out that stores like this are helping Harvard Business School professor Ryan Raffaelli solve an economic mystery. I often say these are stories of hope he set out to explain why the number of independent bookstores has been growing up

2:35:23 every year since 2009 despite cheaper more convenient ways to buy books online in national chain stores and with e-readers. What Raffaelli found is that successful bookstores like Anderson's win with a local appeal, a curated selection and as many as 500 events a year. They've also been sensitive and had the ability to adapt, and reactivate some of the values that were there that may have been muted in a race towards trying to have the cheapest and largest inventory. But books real physical books are still the main attraction so many people spend so much time on devices that when it comes to reading for pleasure they don't want to read from a device The best thing about a book is you can't get email on it yeah you can't put it up to your ear It's so good Tony DeCoble CBS News New York

2:36:15 And if you didn't have time to support independent bookstores today, there's always tomorrow. Hey! There is always tomorrow people don't worry about it screw the books this is encouraging thank you for that uplifting report at the end of our... I'm getting a clue from the network news they put feel good story at the end yes and we got some good mixes Sir Chris Wilson Tom Starkweather and the scrumptious George Carlin Yeah, yeah, that's encouraging. Yep You know you can't stop the humans the humans they wanna they want out they want to the real thing and not follow through Yeah That's right with a bull crap go get your Nokia e71 someone out there Let's clone them and sell him come on people help me out open sources do it And we return on Thursday by maybe in New York Details to follow yes details to follow

2:37:15 Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA Until then, coming to you from downtown Austin Texas capital of the drone star state FEMA region 6 on the governmental maps in the 509 Cluedio in the common law condo In The Morning everybody My name's Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley I'm John C. Dvorak We return on Thursday right here On No Agenda until then Adios! Mofos? I need a cab. It's no longer something confined to R&D labs and garage-based startups.

2:37:59 I've heard that some people think robots are mean Terminator-like machines. And then we have people like, well Elon Musk who said... We're very close to the cutting edge in AI. We should advise you however that our preliminary findings indicate that your onboard 9000 computer is an error. Identify malfunction immediately. On to mission 4 Once there's super intelligence The fate of humanity may depend on what the superintelligence does. That's amazing coding! I was listening to a podcast hosted by Adam Curry and John C. Duvour. Artificial intelligence will give us new jobs, jobs, jobs... It is going to be alright again. Something happening over here

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