38:50 You know, like we're in a police state already. We're in a surveillance state already and now you go to a shrink or you go to a priest. A guy got busted recently for going to a priest and I mean what are you supposed to do here? So anyway if your troubled... Take a walk, shake it off. Walk it off dude! Come on man what's wrong?! Alright What's your second clip? Is that more on that clip? No that was it Okay, the second one is really incorporates what I consider to be the giveaway and something we always have to consider. And I find it kind of disgusting. But since that case, we've actually adopted a whole new diagnostic system. It's the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual that we use today and the whole raison d'etre on adopting the DSM was that it should be based on clear observable behavioral criteria
39:47 So when Goldwater, when the Skywatchers made comments about Goldwater they were saying he'd been scarred by his potty training or he had an unresolved Oedipus complex. Or who's a latent homosexual? Very obscure and possibly wrong theoretical constructs... Possibly wrong! Wait, wait, he's a latent homosexual that's possibly wrong You know it's not like I didn't call this Not like I didn't say that they were gonna come up with Trump as a homo I told you that was on deck here it is The seed has planted You might be right, but I'm still not putting it on the list. Okay What else did he say? It'd be based on clear observable behavioral criteria So when Goldwater or when the skype main comments about gold where they're saying you know He's been scarred by his potty training or he had an unresolved Oedipus complex Or who is a latent homosexual very obscure and possibly wrong theoretical constructs that you couldn't know anything about theoretical wrong constructs
40:43 Whether they apply to go actually talk to him in therapy But now with the criteria that we have now the whole point was that we should be able To observe someone's behavior or talk to someone who has observed their behavior and if they exhibit the behaviors that meet the criteria, we know that they meet the diagnosis. So I know later we're going to go over some of those criteria but people will see how much they are really written in plain simple English and how these are behaviors that are very clear and observable And in fact I interviewed one of the people – the last living member of the ethics committee that drafted the Goldwater Rule And he told me first of all it was never meant to be a rule, it was meant to be a principle. Something you should keep in mind not something that should be a blanket gag order under all circumstances Hopefully he is going to give us some of these definitions things that we can look for hopefully
41:31 Yeah, actually they go through the nine. I only isolated a few of them that were defined as good at least there's some in their good but secondly he said if they'd have the DSM in those days they wouldn't even pass the Goldwater rule because We his concern was that people were basically making diagnostic for me without For dr. Diagnostic and statistical manual okay? So I want to get to that But I think you've made a really important point and excuse the the way I present this, but you're saying the duty to warn people trumps the Goldwater rules. That's exactly how I phrased it as a matter of fact! Well great minds think alike, of course... I'm sorry did he say that the DSM didn't exist during the Goldwater era? That's what i heard him say correct yeah well we are at dsm-5 but dsm 1 was established in 1952
42:28 That would be Goldwater. Yeah, so he's full of crap What I think is important for people to understand is that this is a very big deal having so many professionals like yourself stand up as they're actually an organization called duty-to-warn Yes, there is an organization called Duty to Warren. I founded it. It started out with the petition that you... Gosh! Did she really not know this about her guest or...? No she threw it in because he wasn't plugging it now. Leading the witness? He says then that now he brings out that the but it's a petition that was signed by all these people and of course the numbers gone way up but
43:10 Just because I mean, I could go on a site and sign the petition and claim to be some local shrink. You are you're my shrink. What are you talking about? Yeah, there we go. And I'm working shrink that just finish up because it gets to the point where I think that we really see what's going on here having so many professionals like yourself stand up as they're actually in organization called Duty to Warn. Yes, there is an organization called Duty to Warren. I founded it. It started out with the petition that you mentioned earlier – we went up to 70 thousand signatures and I want to point out how truly unprecedented this is. Many people have accused us of being partisan, that were just kind of using our profession
43:54 diss a candidate or president that we don't like. Diss? It's never... I'm sorry, is that a professional term? Diss? We just want to dis him. ...happen before... Well everybody if you're if you're a Democrat it's very cool say the people how truly unprecedented this is okay and many people have accused us of being partisan that were just kind of using our profession to diss a candidate or president that we don't like It's never happened before in the history of our profession that a large group of professionals have banded together to say that a leader is dangerous or unfit. I mean, I'm a lifelong Democrat. OK? That's it! I am a lifelong Democrat. Why does he say that?!
44:41 to show his color, you know. This is my stripes! A little virtue signaling? Yes it's my stripes It seems to me that if you're trying to be objective that the last thing you want to admit especially lifelong I mean most people i know who are free thinkers have gone through different...I'm a democrat but then I'm a republican and then an independent and libertarian I mean they're adjusting their views as they mature And being a lifelong Democrat and of Trump hater apparently, and then he makes the statement which you caught him on the DSM one He also made this same. This is the first time this has ever happened when he just cited the Goldwater incident Yeah But he kind of downplayed it down to just one magazine that did that which I don't think is true. I thought it was quite a collection of psychiatrists