We're All Terrorists Now

00:03 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak Yeah! It's Cinco Decepto! It's time once again from the left-hand shoulder of Gitmo Nation This is no agenda Hey everybody coming to you from the somewhat covert location In San Francisco California I'm Adam Curry And from a very warm northern Silicon Valley, the place that doesn't exist but does heat up. I'm John C. Dvorak. No, I mean where's the little you have hardware to do this. Yeah, I brought the wrong box can't leave it I've to yeah stupid you know way when I travel I use a checklist Unlike when you prepare for this show you mean yeah? No, it's because they got sick and tired. I traveled enough. I got sick and tired of like

01:13 showing up someplace and realize I didn't even wasn't wearing a belt. What's on your checklist? Is it literally down to how many socks and you multiply by days? No, no...I don't have the amounts but the checklist has all kinds of stuff on it and its like... Get your checklist man! Let us hear your checklist Well let me go get it hang on a second I used to do these You're a pilot I think that would think that you just do them No man, I'm an airman not a pilot. There's a big difference. An Airmen? Yeah we don't mess around dude! So you don't use the checklist? No and an airman has the checklist in his head Oh brother... Now that you mention it now i know why your wife won't fly with ya

02:00 Okay, travel. This is my ultimate travel check. It's very long I mean I've already part of it. Well just do some highlights flight boarding pass for confirmation number ticket confirmation number hotels confirmation number car rental map of area address of hotel itinerary contact names and phone numbers biz cards Antacids, appointment schedule. Antacid? No anti-diarrheals?! No no I usually carry some antacids in my pocket because when on takeoff and landing because of the change in air pressure you get a heartburn on landing so boom! Yeah that's very typical by the way Yes and so I have to put it on checklist cause oh jeez I don't have any antacids Oh my stomach is killing me Okay underwear socks T shirt for sleeping

02:47 Extra shirt, suit, comb, electric toothbrush, toothpaste, floss, razor blade... Wait a minute. As opposed to the analog toothbrush? Good point. Razor blades, black tie... I always have to... You gotta have your black tie you gotta have if you're a woman you gotta you gotta have your little black fuck-me dress and if you're guy you've got to have black tie it's standard issue And talking about long tie and again you can get these by the way almost everywhere but a black tie in other words of regular tie like the one I was wearing last night John? Yeah

03:23 That's black goes with everything and so you should always so if you forget anything that like if we want to bring a special tie It'd look good. So should the checklist fail then the checklist actually has a backup built into it is what you're saying, right? logical Power adapters... You know what I do? So you know me, I have a huge bag that I schlep around with me right. Yeah That's where..I don't even have the checklist, I just have the bag! I just know if i grab the bag... Yeah but you never unpacked the bag No of course not because everything is in there it's a MacGyver Bag If thats true how come you forgot your fader buttons? I brought my electric toothbrush Thats not the answer to the question

04:09 Unfortuitous happens. Yeah, I'm just saying if you had a checklist that went on and on yeah by the way Here's some other cool stuff in there like Cold weather it spikes for ice You know these shoes what you know these things you wrap on your shoes and walk you can run on ice You take those on this on your checklist. It's on the checklist for cold weather as a special subcategory A special subcategory. Yeah, well you all forget them. Gaffer's tape is on the checklist because in case you break your arm or uh... You know because gaffer tape can fix anything. Gaffer's tape is very handy and it's really useful It's the cat's meow And what I do with the gaffers tape is actually take a number of strips and put them on the suitcase itself Oh! You're one of those people?

05:00 Yeah. Oh, I don't like that. What's wrong with that? It looks lame! You can tell it's a black suitcase you won't even know the gaffer tape is on there Why do you put it on because I don't want to have a roll of gaffer tape clogging up the suitcase I've packed very light Wait hold on a second You wrap it around the handle? No, no. It's across the back of the suitcase at the bottom just a big piece of...a couple pieces about Oh you don't take a roll? No God no! I think i have a roll of gaffer tape with me. You know in...I had that bag with me someone said ah shit man the wireless mic crapped out oh no problem I have one in my bag

05:40 Anyway, then another subcategory is processes. By the way this checklist is mostly just check-check-check. It takes like an extra two minutes out of my day to go through the list but I always wonder so well oh geez! I forgot that and one of them on the process is stuff like set the lights feed the dog water the plants throw it in garbage. You have a process list? So stuff you have to do before you leave? Yeah, and then one of the things is a couple things. One actually visibly look to make sure that my driver's license is on me because I actually went still valid. I would not have well I went to the airport once and there was no driver's license it was a disaster as I just thought you can't ID yourself or you can go anywhere yeah heaven forbid in this Nazi state yeah I bought some medication the other day at the pharmacy

06:28 And I had to show my ID and they registered it, and then I had to sign a waiver and agree that I wouldn't make drugs out of it because the active ingredient in a lot of this decongestant stuff is what they use for crystal meth. Yeah It was like whoa uh... many minutes that you just checked the stove so i think it was not a bad thing to head to do because occasionally you know there's nothing worse than walking out of the house driving as she is saying tonight when she had been this morning like the latest only the stove on and in the store on summer you know that anything else or not that i don't turn off the wi-fi again make me a new dot i think he should publish this list i think that's very handy for people who want a baseline who want to travel install

07:14 like the international man of mystery john c devorak yeah i could but they have an idea is there's a very little if there's a couple things are you individual to me but for the most part i can just uh... publishes thing so uh... do it on a wacky stuff going on and i've done that very little product a couple things some uh... programming notes now we're not streaming this live um... hotel I don't know, something's messed up but we had to get the show going so... Should we just stream it live? So stream it after the fact. Yeah why don't you do that. Okay. That gives people that like to listen to it early before he gets on the network they can listen to it It'll be very close because yeah The one thing is it's really crazy this hotel and it really depends on what time of course you're on the network Because you know gets overloaded I guess at peak times in a day

08:13 But the upload speed sometimes is like 10 megabit upload speed all of a sudden. I published the show the other day, it was up in 30 seconds! Whoa! I've never witnessed that, that was cool. Imagine how much time and energy and how much the economy would actually improve just by the time savings of more bandwidth for everybody? Yeah, I mean you know. I agree yeah, cuz you sit there waiting You wait for everything all day long and we're such slaves to the waiting I know it should be a top priority of Obama So I'm watching some news show and they're showing Obama giving a speech he what I didn't hear the speech But they just showed him I've never seen this before I mean this guy's the president

09:02 But he's standing behind the podium, a bunch of flags behind him. The podium does not have the presidential seal and I'm trying to decide whether this is an old clip or not it doesn't have the presidential seal that podium has got a sign in front of him with their Obama logo and then keeping America competitive written on it and then www.BarackObama.com So he basically decided to just do his own thing while being president? I keep getting emails from BarackObama.com and because you know, I signed up obviously for a lot of candidates Are you signed up to the list? You really should sign up because it's amazing what you get They're always organizing something they're always looking for more donations i'm not quite sure how that works

09:50 Can the president continue to take donations while he's president? I guess for his re-election campaign, he can. Why not? And it's not even clear that its for his re-election campaign... Well maybe its just to keep these staffers going. Maybe. Keep BarackObama.com up and running. I just find it peculiar What was the message? kinds of speeches and everybody now wants to do that. I mean Bush is the only one probably never really instituted anything original but anyway so he comes in, so Barack comes on, he has press conferences constantly He's always on the TV. He's got his own thing going to barackobama.com with his own logo instead of the presidential seal and i mean it just like you have to assume that this is a new standard What does he talk about?

10:50 Well, I don't know because they were just showing a clip and talking over it so i don't know what he was talking about. But there was obviously something... There was a big breaking news story this week which MSNBC had the equivalent of stop the presses is breaking news that they put on these TV stations and in the case of MSNBC they actually went live to Barack Obama and Joe Biden ordering a hamburger And that was breaking news yeah, I was breaking news on MSNBC and they had a reporter on the spot and then they had a mic on him says and Barack Obama saying uh I'd like get a cheeseburger and Do you think the audience actually sees the irony of this? No ketchup. You have fries with that? We got these potato tots. Are they good?

11:44 And the two of them go off and eat a hamburger. After hearing all this dialogue, I'm thinking what are they wasting our time for? What is wrong with these people at MSNBC? Breaking news! Stop the presses! Barack Obama eats a hamburger!" Oh my goodness... Yeah you know I've turned on the TV a couple times in these past few weeks and it's-I can't watch it John It's unfreaking watchable. It's just one dumb thing after another and it's so so stupid well these net these cable guys are crazy, but that's all the time I mean the networks during the day. There's nothing really on a night It's all drama that I'm totally not interested in and then you switch around Then it just looks like every channel is a kind of news channel or have some breaking news or a ticker underneath

12:36 And it's just dumb. So the big breaking news was of course Elizabeth Edwards going on Oprah and essentially, you know giving her a sob story about her ne'er-do-well husband who had maybe a baby with this woman while running for president. They brought out a couple interesting facts apparently everybody in his staff including some people quit the campaign while he was running for president everybody knew this was going on and the likelihood I mean he could have been President of United States

13:16 unbelievably uh... it would be a unbelievable disaster for the democrat party because i mean is already borderline in the re-enacted early on the atlanta referra vice president against bush and he's probably a philandering guy then i was just that you know one of those guys but you know he was all the always seem like a sleaze ball to me with that hair. You know it's just stupid looking haircut and he would apparently spend a fortune on it and there are lot of clips on YouTube where gets all bent out of shape or is looking in the mirror and he's mad at makeup artist, you know? And he's primping himself. He was kind of creepy! Yeah but John be honest, he's a member of The Elite this is exactly what these people are all about I don't care show business for ugly people how many times do I have to say it

14:04 Well, it's pretty yeah. It's your favorite quote a good quote by the way But it's absolutely I used to say that to my uncle Don and he would crack up He's like man you're horrible You dropped out of school you're making ten times more money than I am so yep you chose show business for ugly people Uncle Don there you go. He did have a cool red phone though Red phones are cool And I picked it up once Yeah, yeah like I was a kid you know. I picked it up was like White House operator How can I help you mr.. Greg? Click and hung up yeah Like that was the right thing to do 15 phones start ringing Buzzer start going Old days

14:54 so uh... of course i've been really busy here in the san francisco at the office and that have had a lot of time to prep but a couple stories you know of course keep lingering and yeah the uh... the seven forty seven fly by this story just gets weirder by the day uh... i don't know if you caught that uh... the white i'm sure you did the white house says they will not be releasing the pictures of the three hundred thousand dollar photo op why not Well, it's a matter of national security of course. Here is what I think was going on John...I think that this plane was probably filled with friends and family groupies democratic party leaders you know it was a joyride and sure it was a photo op for all the people on the plane hey man come on we'll go buzz in New York dude! Come on watch me now! Someone was on there could have been Biden I can just see Biden sitting on the plane

15:55 with you know it's a joy ride and by the way that's okay because that's how business is done i'm totally cool with it you know that sir it's a tool it's a tool of uh... of our commander in chief are cd or chief executive no america does not get on this man who has a yacht he puts all his you know client only got me i have no problem whatsoever i think that is absolutely okay i think that's a point to it would be Honored and privileged if I were asked to fly on this aircraft. It is a symbol of the United States blah-dee-blah-dee-blah But then you can just see Joe Biden, The Don, and you could just see him with all these people like hey watch this Just go up to the cockpit and say hey boys let's buzz Manhattan Can you loop around the Statue of Liberty for us once?

16:47 you know that's what the f-sixteen was doing you know it is there for protection it's gotta be something like that because if the public finds out because a public will not understand what we do understand yeah okay this is a tool that's fine uh... so they but this is not transparency that's enough about saying really loves me the most you know it's like to come on man if it if it's no big deal just say are you know Barack Obama was great at apologizing the first 14 days. I'm sorry, I screwed up, I messed up my administration messed up, my guys didn't do a good job you know people appreciate that why not now? Don't know but the transparency thing is bogus it's obvious meanwhile one of the things going on this kind of interesting to me when i caught this and I have a clip here which will play

17:44 uh... is the democrat you know it's interesting to watch and if you remember like four years ago people saying you know the democrats are going to be a dead party they can't do anything right there boneheads in the republicans just beat him in every way they can and the republicans were on top of the world now thing is switched over to such an extreme the other way so quickly which by the way at the stock market can do that kind of thing too by the way so quickly that now according to a couple of polls only twenty percent of americans will admit to being republicans you know most of the mainstream republican scott humiliated by the takeover the party by the extreme nutcases and then the people that uh... there are good actual conservatives whether they're extremely cases or not call themselves conservatives they won't go on sales republicans and sell well you don't have to

18:37 Hmm. do you have to what? Do you have to call yourself a Republican if your conservative? Well generally in the olden days at least 40% of the public would say that they're Democrat or Republican. Right But when we have a number so low there's almost nobody admitting it And by the way for people who are not American citizens and for many of you who are, there are other parties you can be affiliated with It is not a two-party system just so you know Google it! Yeah its true Its not a two party system It could save the world Its a one party system yeah John Skoll my friend welcome to the other side. I've always said that you got it from me Okay, so anyway But I think there what did one of the news stories is going around is the one based on this clip that? I have if you haven't queued up

19:24 Which is from the hardball show and I just caught it by accident. This is Chris Matthews? Yeah, I think I might have seen this yeah This is Chris Matthews talking to this Republican from the 6th District of Indiana And the people in the sixth district should be ashamed of themselves for electing a guy that's stupid We're gonna go all across the country with these energy summits hear from the American people and we're going to educate the American people about on a 21st century Republican agenda for the environment. You want to educate the American people about science and its relevance today, do you believe in evolution sir? Um... I- Do i believe in evolution? I love it when people repeat the question which is so obvious like oh crap shit think think think think that's probably what miss California was thinking maybe

20:11 I embrace the view that God created the heavens and the earth and seas, all that's in them. Right but do you believe in evolution as a way to get it? The means Chris used to do that...I can't say but I do believe in that fundamental truth. Did you take biology in school or did you take science which is all based on evolutionary belief and assumption? Do you believe..the reason why I'm asking this not just because of your fight if your party wants Wait a minute, let me get this straight.

21:04 So is this guy saying that the earth is warming up or not? I don't know what he's saying. He seems to be just a, you know... Here's what there's a basic tenet at play here There's a group of Republicans that are brought in by very conservative Christians That have and you know This is actually a minority of Christians that believe that the earth was only 6,000 years old and that they were there but they're very noisy about it in by the way one of these people's george gilder a very famous technology uh... rdm maven who has a newsletter knees you know does did invest tells me what stocks to invest in and by the way who is adored by john doar uh... but anyway guilders yet part of this

21:49 with some of the reason this is happening because gilders operation up in the c l a re can't think of the name of it right now but he'd just pumps and millions into this and so this floats around this notion that there's only six thousand years old dinosaurs were here work you know for a few minutes i guess we lived with them and patted on the head as pets and god knows what whatever the case is a bunch of republicans are swayed too many republicans in office that are essentially ideologues and uh... and i think that the uh... lot of these conservative christians that believe in this, and I still think it's a minority have taken over the party. And so all Matthews is doing...and it happened long time ago in California. The Republican Party in California has long since been taken over by guys who have their ideological on a religious basis very much like the Taliban they won't give in on any points and they just assume they don't even want to run people that can win

22:43 They want to run people that believe what they believe, and so they can't beat anybody. And now the whole party has gone this way in Texas for sure and California for sure and obviously in Indiana with this bonehead. The only reason Arnold Schwartz got in is because he kind of snuck in... Because it was Bone & Maria Shriver! No, because he snuck in during a recall election up there with the other governor. That's right. He did. And they didn't have time to organize against him after that guy killed Chandra Levy Just keep saying it. You keep doing this, but anyway the point is that the party generally speaking is becoming just a religious party and I know people who are lobbyists for the Republicans they say you know they're scared to death of this because they know they're never going to get elected again! Yeah this is very interesting particularly when you think about the concept that its really one-party system perhaps the real party behind the party has just deserted the Republican Party

23:42 You know what I mean? And that's why you only have, you know 20% left over who have a particular view which they're welcome to have it obviously. It is very interesting you say they are just like the Taliban because yeah it sounds me justice radical! By the way power to them Hey, I ain't got nothing against it. If the Republican Party wants to ever get a president in again or get the House and Senate back right now they're hoping upon hope that Obama screws up so badly you know by the way they had this same hope upon hope when Clinton got in

24:18 And Clinton just rode them to the ground for eight years, and if it wasn't for Clinton's own personal foibles, you know they probably...the Democrats would have still been in there. Obviously also running a nutcase like Al Gore didn't help but uh... The point is that the Democrats could stay in forever If uh...you know if the Republicans are going to go on this direction become instead of the Republican Party a religious party they are the be a religious parties of you vote for them your voting for like a specific religion that this isn't necessarily what you know everybody belongs to i mean did not everybody is an evangelical christian type who believes that their earth is was uh...

24:57 created six thousand years ago and by the way we blog this all the time in this a new way it isn't detected so there's a good uh... blog post on how up the texas board of education and they kind of voted in that you know there is was seen as maybe six thousand years old justin is on really looks at the large areas But what does that mean? So there's that's going to be taught in schools or well, that's what they want to do I mean it sits. I don't know you gotta listen to this thing yourself and if it's kind of they were just doing some they're cutting something out of Some of the paper here some of the you know how the Board of Education works but they have apparently a bunch of doctrines and they have to change this and then They were kind of getting trying to push evolution out but the point is is that you have You know There's only certain

25:41 religions that actually believe this six thousand year thing and uh... it's not the majority of people although every time they do a poll of the u.s public now it turns out that almost half the people in this country don't believe in evolution anymore because its you know this is just drumbeat of non on our stage has never been proven uh... has been you know be essentially stop his life We're stupefying the public. These guys aren't helping things much, but the problem is when you have a religious party which is essentially what's happening here, you know that religious people don't agree with each other! I mean, the Lutherans don't get along with the Methodists and the Baptists have their own way of doing things they don't even think you should drink wine even though that's in the Bible and so you get all these kind

26:29 religious things going on within the group and that doesn't do anybody any good when we're all we really want to balance the budget you know in keep out of trouble so this does kind of flow into uh... an interesting email that i received from my one of our younger producers from get no nation east james who is a speaker now your speakers john well thank you for his early in the show to say that i want people have a drink early right james uh... is sixteen years old studies from the u k And so this relates back to crazy shit our kids are being taught in school. I'll just read this verbatim because it's so beautiful and I love the fact that we've got a younger audience tuning in and switching on. Hey Adam & John, today at school in my GCSE chemistry class, that's your high school

27:17 equivalency, we were each handed a sheet and asked to use the internet to research Monsanto to find out about their quote better way to make a weed killer and how they are improving farming processes through chemicals. I was shocked at this early indoctrination of today's youth by large corporations such as Monsanto when i raised this point my friends i was simply dismissed as a conspiracy theorist I've managed to convert one of them to listening to No Agenda and hope more will follow suit shortly. I just thought you and John might be interested in Monsanto's penetration into the education system. Thanks, keep up the excellent podcasting essential that is No Agenda in the morning!

28:07 So yeah, well you know it's marketing I've been in Monsanto should be if I was in Monsanto's Marketing team. I would and I could get that I could actually manage to do this Yeah, oh, I'd be all over it isn't that just outrageous though? Yeah, of course what's out there? It said who it's outrageous is the teacher yeah And is a part of the syllabus though That's what I want to know or the teacher just say oh Well, you know this is they must have been marketed Yes, probably some folder or some flyer in the teacher's lounge Yeah, or that are they gave him a free bill? You know a goodie bag and you know t-shirt and some stuff from flatware Flatware we really need to get our

28:52 flatware but we're going to get the air as a matter of fact so i got a note from my david cost who donated the 1776 that week by yes which was actually in nineteen seventy six and sorry yeah the nice and i think seven six the nineteen seventies you said was it was a two hundred year anniversary seventeen seventy-six rich it was that may have been not being the right at what i was intention was the following The first meaning for 1976 is for Adam, it's the year of the original swine flu outbreak. Ah! Of course! Now that I should have known You should have actually Yeah And uh... but the second one he said was from me It turns out that's mmmm... 1976 was the year where the general consensus is that Mandelbrot began working on his Mandelbrot set a fractals in 1976 That kiddies what we call a fractal Fractal

33:11 So apparently the World Health Organization, when this swine flu thing broke out did you know they made the comment that all of humanity is at risk? Yeah. This is getting weirder because now of course in United States it's been categorized as seasonal flu and not only do they say the world population is a risk but they raise their They're level to five, which means pandemic is imminent and the next level apparently the highest is six. Which means hello you're all effed um and now I'm hearing well You know the one that's coming in August that's gonna be the one that's gonna kill ya

33:54 Oh I haven't heard this, what's this about? Oh geez! Now they're saying it in the United Kingdom because i've heard this from friends and family that we are lucky. In the UK only 50 cases of swine flu and one actually in Wandsworth which isn't too far from where the terrace is And, uh... it's okay. No one is dying and we're all going to be okay but the one that's coming this fall the one that comes at the end of the year That's gonna be the big one! That's gonna be the one that kills everybody literally You kidding me? So I think this whole notion of the beta test is right so what you're seeing now Here's what I predict It's pretty simple Everything in high gear First of all George Bush was getting massive props on

34:43 Maybe it was Chris Matthews. I don't know, he was getting massive props because he had stockpiled a couple billion dollars worth of Tamiflu so all hail the chief! Good job there hooking your buddy Rumsfeld up before you release the frickin virus that Tamiflu stops So what's going to happen now is obvious. Everyone is going have to be vaccinated, vaccinated before the big one which is going hit in autumn and this is going to be I think one of the biggest debates we'll see this year will be vaccinate or not Well, you know it seems to me they have their normal seasonal flu vaccine which comes out in October But we need a new one. We need stocks going on China What is that this interim flu? I mean what are they trying to do sell the flu shot twice a year? I mean what's the point of this well? I think as a marketing scheme Yeah It's a market when I saw the farm issue here make twice as much money sure did you see

35:47 LaRoche's stock skyrocket? Yeah. How obvious does it have to be? We should've seen that coming, hello! But we were reading the annual reports almost a year ago where they literally said the imminent... well bird flu is what they were talking about the imminent bird flu is putting a billion dollars into our pipeline. We're gonna be rich next year buy now while stocks are low It's not like you're hiding anything I know but we didn't buy This is the annoying part. Yeah, okay yeah exactly we didn't buy into it You know that's the problem So watch for that come to Gitmo Nation West I'm sure the states will be... That'll be the next story about this swine flu you watch it oh well and by the way the CDC I must have seen

36:41 15 different spokespeople for the CDC there and it was almost like they were testing which guy worked the best You know, so he had kind of like the doctor we had you know what to be a guy in a white coat He'd be the doctor then you have the PR guy and then some woman who's like decked out with fruit salad of medals I don't know what you get metals for when you work in the CDC but she had him. It was like a militaristic thing on stage So yeah, I think that would be a test. Who's the best? Who is photogenic and they do a focus group afterwards and then you figure out who the spokesman is going to be. Yeah, well you know I'm reminded when i was in Holland not to bore people with more Holland stories. We go to these different restaurants and one case was obvious they were practicing everybody in the restaurant waited on us because they wanted to practice some English with their new employees I guess we never had this same wait person twice in a row and it was like 15 people one after another coming up did help us never the same guy who's always someone different You know one of them couldn't speak english at all which is hilarious but... And was food okay?

37:42 Well, we'll talk about it. I'm writing a report on the food. The food was okay. Very good. We had a good meal last night! We ate at Seasons... well you know what? I was disappointed overall. Now Seasons is the fourth... It's probably because i was drunk that's why. Oops sorry my mic is crapping out. We had a lot to drink Yeah, certainly for uh for me. You know Mr.. Mr.. One glass one shot Yes to three people in the you know here's a couple things you should note where's my doggy bag? Oh shit Did you forget it I know I was never getting saw I saw them with it. I saw them pack it all right I betcha they put it right next to your chair and you just walk away without it

38:26 Well, I've never seen anyone put it down on the floor. Clearly you forgot otherwise you would have said hey where's my doggy bag? No no that was testing because usually if you got a doggy bag especially when we're the last people in the place leaving somebody says hey your bag or something! Well that points off...that's a fail actually Seasons fails on that You can't charge that much money and then fail on the doggy bag. Exactly, now the other one... Let me just I'm probably gonna say it before you do our server you know we ordered some nice alcohol and there was a she was not a sommelier and her presentation skills were none zero

39:10 Yeah, well the sommelier apparently wasn't working that night anyway. But we got good wine! The point is though I know in the last bottle...I didn't see it...I think they finished off the first bottle but there was three of us there and then we had a second bottle and they left wine in the bottle. I was keeping tabs on it because when she's pouring her last round she's pouring, pouring, pouring and she could have poured it out You know, and there was not a bunch of goo in there or anything. But she didn't! She left it in there for some reason... How much do you think? Like a glass-not a glass full? It would have been a good half a glass full with normal like small 8 ounce glasses. Why don't you grab that shit put that to your lips boy?! Nah I just wasn't that thirsty so when I was waiting for him to do something then thing disappears

40:00 So, I guess somebody needed a shot of wine in the back. But the service overall was good except for the screw-ups there. I thought that the food was actually very tasty generally speaking. There's a steakhouse with a variety versions of different steaks and it is probably as good as any steak house you know except I think there is place in Berkeley that has the best steak in the Bay Area. I thought the place was a little, I thought the atmosphere was a little funky for Four Seasons. I thought it wasn't as ritzy. Yeah kind of like they didn't know what they want to be if they wanted to be like an Ian Schrager type place or classic Four Seasons vibe which i appreciate more honestly yeah

40:43 And so it seemed like a Marriott kind of thing. No, hold on a second! No... It was better than the Marriott kind of thing I know the Marriott So anyway but the point is that there's looking at Yelp and the Yelpers they lot of people liked it but most people cited the good service in this service was attentive She was very, we had a very nice server. She was extremely attentive but weird you know like we all had to taste the champagne I don't get that What's the point of that? But do you even taste champagne the way you taste wine first No You just pour it and drink it right Yeah especially when its served by the glass They should be tasting it back there We didn't buy a bottle That wasn't our bottle? No It was just three glasses I thought I got a refill

41:34 Well if you got a refill, did you check that they charge it for a second glass? I don't remember getting a refill. John by the time i was signing the check...I was so plastered! I'm like what a lightweight! Yeah yeah I'm a lightweight! You know I am!! Yeah, it's amusing. So anyway overall if you're staying at the hotel and you want to get a good steak I think that's a good place to go. The meat is quite tasty. The one you had, the porterhouse was actually quite delicious and the rest of this stuff was good but there wasn't anything... There was no fault with the food. I just thought that the place itself lacked a vibe It also lacked customers

42:22 Yeah, that's what I think is one of the reasons. I think well maybe the place wasn't cheap but at the same time yeah they didn't have it was a little jump and joy. I would suspect that they're probably going to have to redesign the thing completely and i think maybe its days as a steakhouse are numbered Was the wine... What was expensive because the bill was outrageous? I don't know, I didn't see the bill. One bottle of wine was $120. Okay well then it makes sense And the other bottle was like 80 so it's 200 dollars a pint Alright then it makes sense But still... I would say value for money even without the wine? No

43:05 Yeah, no. I mean we've recommended places that are... I mean compare that to the sub-$100 total bill at Limon. Exactly. That place, I mean that's value for money, lively atmosphere, terrific food you know? This is kind of a place where we were supposed not go anymore but you had your friend in from Holland this uh... Miriam right she uh... was it just adorable and so we had to do you wanted to show off the fact that i did

43:43 So, we probably could have gone to someplace else. But anyway whatever the case was it's obvious... So she hated the champagne but I guess she was too polite to say anything? She thought that...I loved the champagne! That was the best champagne i've ever had Really? It was Henriot H-E-A? Yeah because it was really smooth and she said oh no no no that doesn't taste like champagne. I guess she likes kind of the biting taste But she really likes a chalkier style. Actually, Onryo generally speaking is or used to be a chalky style I don't know It was very smooth It was good Yeah, I liked it And I'm not a champagne drinker either Well, she looks like the type who you'd be demanding Dom Perignon all the time Yep that's how I roll Johnny boy

44:26 Yeah, well that'll rack the bill up. Anyway so uh... I gotta tell you another funny thing because we had a very interesting conversation in fact i think didn't evening ended an argument where are you arguing about? I was quite loud and vocal. Surprised you didn't take a swing at her. Well don't mess with my country! I'm very defensive about my country and when people don't understand... so she's, i think she even said it this is how it started he said I don't understand America you elect a black president and everyone's like yeah we're no longer racist oh yippee black president but then you vote against gay marriage

45:11 As if there's a connection. Yeah, and that was like... It was almost like there was this huge switch in the middle of my forehead that said pull here to watch explosion? Well I mean at least it's keeping- But that's perception! She's intelligent That's the perception outside our borders That's how its presented We're seen as wacky And by the way its' as if the entire country has voted against gay marriage which is not true Right, I mean Maine is legal and Massachusetts is a few places. New Hampshire... there's plenty of places and more come online all the time but again this is- But they don't get that either they don't get that states rights thing at all? No, in fact the federal government is actually subservient to the state so we've all forgotten. You know if they would get that right if

45:59 they would probably have a better shot at making the EU work. Exactly! Because they don't, the EU doesn't you know there's no acknowledgement of individual countries' rights I mean they won't let the Swedes... No in fact, in fact the Lisbon Treaty will remove the individual sovereign rights of each country Right What are you going to say about the Swedes? Well, like the Swedes can't put certain labels on their jellies indicating where they're from because it'll violate some eating thing. It somehow insults the Germans or something like that because if I want to buy a jam made in Sweden because they grow some berry up there that I like, they won't be able to label in such a way that I'll know it's from Sweden and not from God knows where... That kind of thing

46:44 You know, it's ridiculous. And they're telling the French how to make cheese? Yeah! I mean, you know what the end result is? They're going actually at some point... The EU is going to ban the manufacture of Roquefort cheese which is a slightly poisonous product I think we've talked about this. Yeah, Rhoquefortium which is the... So what is it? Is there some poison in there or something? Nah, you do enough research on it if you don't make this stuff exactly right You can cause... It's like killing anybody but it has a toxic quality to it so we have that we have to get into Gitmo Nation

47:25 where something very interesting happened this week with Michael Savage, radio talk show host in the United States. You sent me a link to the show which I didn't listen to but i was listening to BBC World Service yesterday morning and they had an entire item about it and even an interview on Soundbite with the Homeland Security Secretary Jackie, Wacky Jackie. You want to lay into it? Yeah go! No why don't you set it up? Oh I thought you had a clip... no no haha no I wish I were that prepared John that would mean I had an agenda

48:05 So anyway, so what happened was Wacky Jackie put out a list of 16 people that are going to be banned from the UK because they simply don't like them. Now remember the last time someone was banned from the UK was Geert Wilders The Dutch politician who made the anti-Islamic movie and before that it was Martha Stewart who was not allowed into the United Kingdom Because she was a convicted felon So they named Michael Savage in a list of essential Nazis, Islamic murderers...a whole bunch of really horrible creepy people and then him because they thought his talk show like the UK cares was filled with hate speech or something like that. That is not compatible with the culture and laws of the United Kingdom? Right

48:53 And so, uh... No one's ever heard of this guy in the United Kingdom. Ever! And why would he- is he planning a trip? Did he file for a visa? They just put him on a fricking list for no reason?! Somebody put him on the list and this is what everybody wants to know. Why!? What the hell did he- hold on John I gotta blow my nose talk to the audience So anyway, the question is why would they put this guy on the list? Who put him on the list because she doesn't know who he is. She just had some stooge do it I think its because of... you know the big beef that hes gotten into was with CAIR, The Council Of Islamic or American Islamic Relations which is a front organization for god knows what but they're pretty much you know uh... lot of... there's just... it's a sketchy group

49:43 and but they're you know they managed to uh... who's this c a i r the council of american islamic relations and maybe you know where they hate a bunch of people they hate michael savage because he's always apartment new york is that islamists are waiting on the issue here in the middle you tell me this is why it was banned because of his anti-islamic attitude i think so and then we have any other way does make no sense and then exactly what everyone's against I'm just telling you what i think. And this care group, they've tried to submarine Daniel Pipes who is an editorial writer quite talented who has an ongoing feud with this group

50:28 And I think that they have their fingers in a lot of pies, and obviously somewhere in the British Foreign Office there's somebody you know that said let's get rid of this guy. Savage & Care had a lawsuit going back and forth over some misuse of his material and Savage ended up winning the lawsuit even though it was costly to him against CARE. And I think this is payback, I think CARE said okay you think you're a hot shot? Let me show something that'll crack you up! and so they somehow, they got somebody in England obviously I mean this would be a pretty big organization well funded and there's probably obviously somebody in the British Foreign Office who just waltzed the name over to Wacky Jackie who is an obvious moron. And here! This guy has gotta be on this list and boom she puts him on and these guys are laughing ha ha this is hilarious look at what he did

51:25 And meanwhile, now of course the English are starting to listen to this guy because they never did before. There's a poll that was just taken by the Daily Mail I think it said only 20 per twenty... They said should this guy be banned from England and 80% of readers said no he shouldn't why? Who cares! So now an investigation is in order as to why this guy got on the list who did it what person But will I even be able to return to the United Kingdom Will I even be able to return to the United States I mean this puts everybody in jeopardy. Yeah it does. This is and can this guy not be seen as a part of free press? As you know just a little thing you might want to mention

52:09 As far as everybody's concerned, everybody except of course he harps on this. Everybody has interviewed him and talked about this on most of the networks and the curious thing about it which he brought up on one of his shows recently... His shows by the way are just now interviews with other people supporting him so it is really boring and hard to listen to but is that fact that Fox News will not cover the story? Really? Yeah, Fox News is a big conservative you know fair and balanced blah blah blah. They won't cover it in the Curious I don't know what why but obviously somebody at Fox has got the same kind of hard-on for this guy

52:45 and they refuse to even touch it with a ten-foot pole, they won't let anybody talk about it. It's just strange! So very interesting though when you think about who has been banned from the United Kingdom so you have... And I'm not against any religion or any group of people for anything except morons. I think we should kill all morons. But you know... Hate speech! You have hatred against morons. So this is another thing that's in the news is the hate speech regulations. Have you been following any of that? Oh yeah, yeah. So what is it now... I didn't quite catch it pedophiles are protected under the Hate Speech Act but

53:26 veterans weren't, it was weird. Yeah these things you know start going into like hate speech which is nebulous at best it's becomes a... But what is wrong with hate speech? What is wrong with hate speech? Well I think its protected by the Constitution Yes! It should in the United States it is protected by the Constitution Yeah, I would think. I hate you! But define... yeah! Define hate speech? So is that hate speech?! No, I don't know. I mean, I get a lot of people thinking I'm a crumb bum for saying negative things about the Macintosh and you go on a forum there'd be some guy ranting and raving That's hate speech! Yeah we should sue him Well if you can get the hate speech thing to work then yeah it sounds reasonable This is gonna be so messed up if all this stuff passes

54:11 I mean for one thing is a definition issue. What is hate speech? How about criticism of the movie? If you can define hate then I guess you can define love as well. The new Star Trek movies sucked! Yeah, oh hey, you're going to jail! You know what is hate speech? It's saying something sucks or you dislike something...I mean I know what it's supposed to be where somebody has just hit nothing but vile and vective but even that is told as dispopositive. Define vile and vective! Define that! Of course it's protected. You're not allowed to commit assault and I don't know where verbal assault falls into that category Maybe, well...I dunno If it even exists? I dunno, I'm baffled myself So uh... And verbal abuse you can get jailed for if you verbally abuse your spouse Yeah so anyway with Savage He might just hate He is suing the British or Jackie Smith in particular for libel

55:14 I think he has a case. Yeah, he does particularly if his suits are in the UK yeah and he's got lawyers in the UK right now excellent excellent so I think that would be great So you think the UK is nutty? In Gitmo Nation West here Now you've probably seen this if you watch Fox I saw Fox talking about it And of course we'll put this in the show notes at noagenda.mevo.com The domestic extremism lexicon Oh yeah, right. Yeah we had to post that. This is from the... That's the thing they redacted that by the way but it got onto The Net So this is the unredacted version I think right? I don't know for sure so its from Department of Homeland Security and it's a definition list from something called the UFOUO What does that stand for? There's a there it's mentioned in their somewhere maybe at the end of the document they tell you what that means

56:17 Let me look at the end of it. Oops, let me look at the end of the document And this is a great document people have to download it and it'll be on their website I don't It's in there believe because I saw So anyway, it's essentially a tool. It is a reference aid from time to time the Department of Homeland Security releases these...it is like part of the syllabus you know? Like an educational system. Okay here are some new Encyclopedia Britannica this is the new official use only It's unclassified though, official use only domestic extremism lexicon. And maybe I should just read the bit of the intro so you get the gist of it. Homeland Security reference aids prepared by the Department of Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis? I've never heard of that office.

57:13 which is known as INA, provide baseline information on a variety of Homeland Security issues. This product is one in the series of reference aids designed to provide operational and intelligence advice and assistance to other elements of the Department of Homeland Security as well as state local and regional fusion centers." My friend John what's a fusion center? I have no idea. DHS and IAEA intends this background information to assist federal, state local and tribal homeland security and law enforcement officials in conducting analytic activities This is frightening! This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States

58:05 It sounds like something from the 60s. Definitions were derived from a variety of open source materials and unclassified information, then further developed during facilitated workshops with DHS intelligence analysis knowledgeable about domestic non-Islamic extremism in the United States Okay, I fit in every single one of these categories. Yeah including the Black Panthers So the second one right at top is the alternative media a term used to describe various information sources that provide a forum for interpretations of events and issues that differ radically from those presented in mass media products and outlets

58:49 Yeah, that's an extremist threat to the United States my friend. Extremists! This program is now officially a non-Islamic extremist threat to the United States I actually think we're mainstream Ooh, I like that. We can fight it on that can't we? We are mainstream! We got 400 thousand uniques a month is more than most newspapers get. We have a lot of normal listeners...I mean not everybody but we don't have a cult, except for our knighthoods and the squire ships and some this crazy British stuff that were doing for our producers but essentially we're mainstream so let's get over that part so that doesn't count okay denial-of-service attack is

59:29 Is listed here, that's just a reference. I thought it was interesting i picked that up uh green anarchism Hacktivism, I like this. The use of cyber technologies to achieve a political end or technology enabled political or social activism well that's the Obama campaign right there hacktivism might include website defacements denial-of-service attacks hacking into the target's network to introduce malicious software malware or information theft I thought Jewish extremism was interesting. What's that? A movement of groups... You're not on that list! No, no i'm not on this list. Wait which one of these things you think YOU are?! Okay um all right hold let me just go up to the top for a second hold on so we already had

1:00:25 Above ground a term used to describe extremist groups or individuals who operate overtly and portray themselves as law-abiding Yeah, that would be me Hey you abide to the law damn extremist The top is the top list. Okay? So here's the list everybody and then we're gonna categorize everybody So it's above ground, alternative media, anarchist extremism. I think I fit in the part of that a movement of groups or individuals who associate as society devoid of government structure ownership of individual property now i don't feel that way but many embrace some other radical philosophical components of anti-capitalists anti globalization communist socialists and other movements

1:01:20 So if you're anti-global, you're an extremist? Yes. So if your pro American and anti global, you are an extremist? Well yeah, I'm non Islamic extremists Yeah that's what I mean but okay... I just wanted to get that straight for people out there to know Alright so animal rights no, anti abortion no, anti immigration no, anti technology NO Aryan prison gang? Well, not anymore. The black block? No! Black nationalism, black power, black separatism Christian identity Cuban independence extremism Decentralized terrorist movement Denial of service Direct... what's direct action? Environmental? No! Oh wait a minute let me just see if it says you're against global warming maybe You never know

1:02:11 No. Ethnic-based, extremist group green, hacktivism no hate Jewish leaderless resistance left wing lone terrorist an individual motivated by extremist ideology to commit acts of criminal violence independent of any larger terrorist organization Mexican separatism that's an interesting one Oh, really? Huh. Militia movement neo-nazis Patriot Movement uh oh a term used by right wing extremists to link their beliefs to those commonly associated with the American Revolution The patriot movement primarily comprises violent anti government groups such as militias and sovereign citizens And then the only one that has artwork with it is the Phineas priesthood and they have a phineas priesthood symbol

1:03:07 So they show, which is a P with a line through the middle. Yeah I wonder why did they put that in there? Is it like code or something maybe the guy who did the report is in that group It's kind of yeah That's weird so this kinda creepy if you think about it The Christian identity doctrine derived from the biblical story of Phineas Which adherents interpret Jesus which adherents interpret as justifying interracial killing Followers of this belief system also have advocated martyrdom and violence against homosexuals, mixed-race couples and abortion providers. But why the logo is here I don't understand that's...

1:03:48 little freak. It's odd, yes. Right-wing extremism oh we probably fit in that a movement of right wing groups or individuals who can be broadly divided into those who are primarily hate oriented... That's not us! And those who are mainly anti government and reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority Wait a minute that's almost 90% of the Republicans People who reject federal authority and prefer state authority are extremist radicals? No, anti-Islamic extremists. Get it right will ya! Jeez... Okay that's our government at work trying to criminalize everything Tax resistance movement

1:04:34 So all you tea baggers, groups are individuals who vehemently believe... I love these words. Is it vehemently or vehemently? No it's vehemently. Which is like vigorous I guess. ...vehemently believe taxes violate their constitutional rights among their beliefs are that wages are not income that paying income taxes is voluntary and that the 16th amendment to the US Constitution which allowed Congress to levy taxes on income was not properly ratified. This is, the IRS got to write something here. Members have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in attempt to advance their extremist goals they often target government entities such as the Internal Revenue Service and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives

1:05:25 Since when did explosives get added to the ATF? I was just going to ask you the same question. That's amazing, they need new jackets! So this alcohol tobacco firearms and explosives that's the new moniker yeah it used to be that one by us yeah it used to be the ATF Yeah now its the ATFE Atfi They knew well maybe they just wanted a new wardrobe We need some new jackets let's change our name Violent anti-war extremism. Oh, you can't be anti war of course a movement of groups or individuals who advocate Or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence And terrorism in an attempt to voice their opposition to US involvement in war related activities Jeez Louise then we get a whole bunch of white nationalism white power white separatism white supremacists, and that's it How come they don't have any Chinese Tong gangs in there?

1:12:37 found out is a felon and they probably did make the anti-globalist sex offenders somehow. I mean that's the latest thing. Oh yeah, that's the trend there was an excellent article in The New York Times John but i just wanted to ask our listeners go take a look at because you know while our children are being miseducated we of course are daily indoctrinated daily John Broder wrote his article, Seeking to Save the Planet with a Thesaurus. And I'll just read the first couple of paragraphs. The problem with global warming some environmentalist believes is quote global warming. The term turns people off. Now we've talked about this because remember it went from global warming to climate change listen what's next?

1:13:24 The term turns people off, fostering images of shaggy-haired liberals economic sacrifice and complex scientific disputes according to extensive polling and focus group sessions conducted by EcoAmerica a nonprofit environmental marketing and messaging firm in Washington. This is how the shit's being sold to you! Oh yeah Instead of grim warnings about global warming the firm advises us to talk about our deteriorating atmosphere Drop discussions of carbon dioxide and bring up moving away from the dirty fuels of the past. Don't confuse people with cap-and-trade, use terms like cap and cash back or pollution reduction refund!

1:14:10 I got a hard-on, John. This is fantastic! Wow this is good stuff. Now this is good stuff. Pollution reduction refund...this will happen at the supermarket where you're used to getting cash back you will be capping cashing back and on your receipt you'll be congratulated for money you gave to the pollution reduction refund something. Yeah right When you buy your Monsanto products in your local supermarket. You have to get a link to this, this is good stuff! Well if you look at the show notes... But this is what's going on and it's because people when they give their donation to devorek.org slash any you have to realize that both Adam and I are actually involved

1:14:56 in the media in such a way that we know how some of these mechanisms work because we work with public relations companies all the time and they, and kind of skills they have and how do you know grassroots things. How they do it! And if you watch Mad Men, the fantastic series on TMC which is a about the beginning and i was in advertising for half of my life on madison avenue at that at the highest levels you will see how madison avenue sold so they sold cigarettes which you know neither here nor there but watch how they do it gets to the script actually lays out how these huge governmental policies were put in place by advertising agency

1:15:41 agencies. Yeah, well actually the criminalization of marijuana was a public relations oriented thing that largely done by the Hearst Corporation and others in fact next on our next show I do want to talk about the fact that Schwarzenegger says there may be debate on legalizing marijuana in California should be opened up and I have a bunch of interesting information about that right if you will discuss on Sunday So Sunday I will be back at home base, which means...I don't know if i'll have enough time to get sound clips and do a lot of show prep. But we'll be kind of back to the normal time. I think I arrive around 2 or so? So uh..I should be in time! I gotta recuperate a little bit, maybe later on Sunday John? Sure! But not too late. And it would just be good to be back at our normal times Yeah and then we can stream

1:16:37 Yeah, all right so I'm gonna go to the office and I'll stream this from the office and then i'l do the upload. And I have another interlude coming out this week so people who like to listen... Oh good yeah I have paid zero attention to the stream but I know people are still listening to it so that is highly appreciated Coming to you from uh an undisclosed crackpot command center in San Francisco! I'm Adam Curry And from the buzz kill bunker in northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak We will talk to you again on Sunday right here on NO Agenda