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00:00 The straightest, cistest, whitest person you can find. Adam Curry John C Devorah It's Sunday October 9th 2016 This is your award winning Gizmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 867! This is no agenda Qualified experts in human anatomy and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in Austin, Tejas. Wait a minute! I'm at the Big Apple! In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where Confucius say man who make Chinese pun not curry favor. I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! Yeah... yeah great

00:43 What? Ah, you're just gonna keep on with the Confucius. Confu- Confucius say... Joke I guess. No, I got the joke! I got the joke! Did you have that written by someone else? I'm sure that's not in the Confucius book. Yes it was written by a professional. Wait a minute where did that come from? Yep Alright well y'know there's uh there's a dispute. I've read it already Martin Higgins everyone who knows comedy remembers him from like good old days He wrote that for ya? Yeah, just out of the blue he sends it in. Because he realized there was this phony baloney feud because you hate these puns so he wrote that little gag as a one-liner. It's fantastic! Oh yes it is just fabulous I don't think its phony baloney and I think we should put into a vote

01:28 Well, we might as well after this week's donations. Oh my goodness what the hell happened? Is it because of Columbus Day or what was that? Is there a Columbus day still? It is Indigenous Peoples' Day out here in California! On Monday? Indigenous Peoples' Day?! Yeah. Well, we're in New York and I don't know if they celebrate Columbus Day. I think they do celebrate Columbus Day in New York. Yeah of course they do! Columbus day is a big holiday in New York Nooo! In New York but isn't Columbus now deemed a racist? Oh he's a racist and a pig... What else are the names you can come up with? A slaver Xenophobe Slave driver yeah stuff like that yeah all that stuff so I don't think it's celebrated everywhere anymore

02:14 Well, New York would have to celebrate. It's a kind of an Italian thing. I don't know... New Yorkers would not put up with it being not celebrated? No. I just remember a lot of controversy about this in previous years and then- Not that we really care because we pretty much work on all holidays Yes Well anyway so here We are in New York City Tina the Keeper And I In our Airbnb On East 58th Street Which is an odd neighborhood To be in It is an odd neighborhood. Yeah, that's not Hell's Kitchen it's what is it? Um well I guess its not quite Lower East Upper Eastside its kind of like No Man's Land

02:53 Yeah, it's dusty. How about that? It's just he's dusty a lot of construction going on we both There's a lot of construction going on in New York. It's ridiculous. I was just not as much is in San Francisco though well We're all they would know but it's it's pretty bad has got a lot going on everybody's building building building Just getting ready for the collapse so you watch these these properties go up for sale cheap Well, I don't know. To me it's like these are all Russian-owned properties and they're just gonna be here empty until the time is right for them, I guess? I don't know! Very strange... Move in to Syrians. But here is something the first time this happened to me with Airbnb And now so the reason we got this location is because we flew out after the show Thursday

03:39 I got in around 10, 15 into Newark and Friday morning at 8am or 8.30 I had this new house school Syracuse University Summit which we'll talk about of course these things always start why does academia always start at 8 am? I've run into a lot of conferences where they always want to start at 8am. And the funny thing about it is usually after they have the big party, the night before... So people straggle in you have to give a speech that's eight thirty in the morning people are straggling and they can barely see there still seeing double. Yeah. Half them don't show up because they sleep in. It just I don't understand it makes no sense. Well so I don't think they had a party the night before but

04:23 You know, this is New York City and a lot of people particularly if you're a Syracuse New York based university but for guests who are coming in for this panel. People have to come... Most people don't live in the city They live in Jersey, they live in New York or Connecticut. So that means they have to get up at 4 30 to be in you know to have any chance of being it at 8am with the... Yeah so I'm sure the audience was sparse Did you know that the tunnel now in New York is almost $20 each way? Wow! I remember when it's four. I think I remember when it was 350 actually

05:02 Well, they don't want people coming in. No. But anyway so... They actually did they've been discouraging people from coming into the city? Well it's working with those prices. You wanna come in take the train and save money. Take the train that's right! It's so safe take the train we had another crash another train crash here New York Anyway, so that's why we're on East 58th Street. It's kind of an odd neighborhood There were very few Airbnbs in fact only one that kind of qualified which means it had you know like a bathroom inside the apartment itself and I liked it a lot because This is kinda... You know, it's a typical New York apartment. You got a bedroom everything was just kind of one space it's little lofty like but

05:43 The balcony, it has a terrace across the whole length of the apartment. And that was part of the appeal." He's like, hey this would be good and the picture is...it's almost as if you're overlooking Central Park now I know that this is not...this is more like Second Avenue so you can't see Central Park from here but then it kind of looked out there maybe there's some...I don't know just you saw the balcony and you saw green on the horizon everywhere So we get here, what? Oh you mean you saw this was in the Airbnb advertisement. Yeah, the Airbnb ad exactly! so we get in at night and it's great and I have to say this guy is super nice. I don't think he's ever done an airbnb had zero reviews which I know is risky but yeah

06:27 Muslim guy, so he's got a very interesting interior. He's got heavy wood... You know what these Arabs like John? Israelis the same thing, heavy wood and different kinds of stylings and this guy has size 15 shoe. Huge shoes everywhere but- It's interesting Oh not really but next morning we're looking at building across the street There's no green. This is complete Photoshop fakery, complete! Oh interesting And I'm gonna have to post this picture and i'm going to put up a review The guys nice the apartment great everything fabulous but it's a complete lie I've never witnessed this with Airbnb that they allow just a phony photoshop fake photo

07:19 in the ad. That's... I've not witnessed this yet, so anyway. Well you just did and now you're gonna bust it! Yeah well you know and i was thinking about this that all these great ideas that crop up and this really goes back to Napster if anyone who is listening remembers Napster It was the original sharing idea And I loved it. It's like, you know...you had your... You know? You had your MP3s, you could search for something, you could found a guy with a great MP3 and go, hey let's take a look at what's on his drive and it was true sharing. And of course... Yes. And the thing that made it work in fact, I will remind people because I do this forever

07:59 During the Napster era, more CDs were actually sold than at any other time in history because people were on a discovery mode. You would go to like just as you described it you'd want a song and I wanted to get this song so you look for the song and find it on some guy's drive and then you can download the song but while you're there you notice that if you look at his library and say this guys got my taste And there's bands I've never heard of. Let me take a sample, a couple of them you do discover new music. Yeah. But it was also just, it was cool. You know? It was the first experience of mass...it was kind of a mass social network of just ad hoc sharing no one owned that whole concept. There was no centralized...well actually there were centralized servers for The Search. That's not entirely true but- For The Search

08:57 Fast forward to 2016, what do we have? We have bull crap. They ruined it! I'm making a point here because you can look at every single cool thing that we did with the internet Silicon Valley and government ruined We had Napster, oh we can't have this no one will make any more money. It's stealing and what is the end result? The artists, the songwriters, the composers are being stolen from by the very same people who came in to save them with Spotify and with all these streaming services. Stolen ruined now what else do we have? We have yeah ruin

09:39 Well, Airbnb of course original idea. Hey man you can use my house and it's okay and we'll have a little system for you to discover houses and then of course now you have to have inspections licensing You gotta pay special taxes ruined And then we have Uber. Hey man, this is your pet feed. Hey man let's just share I'm going this way share the ride no now we have to... We have data, we have regulations can't stop here insurances ruined every cool idea because of profit motive i believe really gets ruined! Ruined!! I don't even know if it's profit motive think it may actually be greed

10:24 Well, it's the cities want their cut. The cities want to cut out on my kind of this Airbnb stuff we get a hotel tax we need to cut in. This is costing us money. Tina was asking she said hey you know with South by maybe I should just rent my place out and stay yours for two weeks. Yeah well of course that's fine and so what does that take? I said well get ready for inspections get ready for you got to have smoke detectors in every nook and cranny You know, you can't have a piece of the carpet sticking up so someone might trip. This is really it's become almost not worth it anymore to do this." Oh there you have it in a nutshell. Yeah I just wanted to point it out It began with hitchhiking in the 60s yeah Can I get a ride? Yeah. Yeah you get a ride now then you get murdered. Well I used to hitchhike in uh in The Netherlands along the Amstel Dijk

11:21 If I'd missed the bus coming home from school, I would have to walk an hour and a half or hitchhike. And I hitchhiked pretty regularly because it was the late 70s until one day And that really freaked me out. Some guy, you know, he said stop picking me up and we're driving along and I'm sitting in the front, hey, talking and then hey do you this a lot? I should have known right when he said that Do you do this a lot? And then he's like rubbing his crotch Oh man let me out! Let me out now but i can take you off no let me out now NOW It was frightening it scarred me Scarred me for a long time Taught ME to hitchhike

12:02 So when you hit your thumb in the wrong direction? I guess. Must have been that. Anyway, um...I was here for the Newhouse School which i believe is a quite famous and reputable broadcast school uh isn't not Well, I mean sign new houses who is named after and there's a newspaper guy. What's it got to do with broadcasting? I don't know well What does the Newhouse school isn't that is it communications as abroad? I have no idea It was probably another one of those schools or so just a bit but probably a well-established Somewhat fit. I think it's like the Cronkite School at Arizona State This is one of these somebody threw a bunch of money out They named in Newhouse and put a classroom up. I had no idea all right what you're disparaging him But we don't know

12:48 One thing's for sure, one of the alum of the Newhouse School is Steve Leeds. He was the guy that originally hired me at MTV and now works with Sirius. And he's one of these people who just knows everybody So, you know he's the one that also got Jarl Mohn and I think that was why it was a well attended session who is the CEO of NPR. And there were guys...there my old radio syndicators were there. There was one guy Dave Dwyer and its very small auditorium and I see this guy like I know this guy's face from somewhere and I said wait a minute are

13:26 Dave Dwyer, he was an assistant director and later a director. And I said well what changed? He's wearing a collar now Father Dave Dwyer and became a Catholic priest And he does a show on Sirius called Broken Halo. Wow, that's a change in the lifestyle! Yeah but you know what? He was always a really happy guy. He always lit up the control room when he came and even nice fun guy makes total sense that he went that direction So there were just lots of people I remembered and it was from New York advertising business and stuff It was cool. This panel was about The future of radio Now...I know it was webcast

14:13 I know it was webcast live. I know some people were able to hear it, apparently no one recorded the live webcast but to add insult to injury The Newhouse School will be releasing this podcast in November Yeah just because it takes them that long to edit it? I don't know what it is! That's one of the most bizarre things I thought it was bizarre too. Yeah, it's kind of like one of those things you want to do You wanna be ahead of it? You just did the thing, got it recorded there is your recording Just put up on the net what are you waiting a month for? I really don't know what they were waiting for So that's really too bad because I would have loved to play couple clips from this Our rehearsal art that we did on Thursday Was fantastic For number reasons

15:04 The first one being the moderator of the panel and on this panel was the I think chief marketing officer for Spotify. There was... You had a rehearsal? You and I rehearsed on the show, we rehearsed what were going to talk about. Oh our rehearsal okay. Yeah our rehearsal. Okay go But also on the panel, I think assistant program director of all of Sirius XM. Then there was the executive vice president of programming from iHeartRadio. Now this woman had a chip on her shoulder And there was... Why? Oh, I'll tell you in a moment. Okay. And the final person was actually I liked her a lot she represented the PRX, The Public Radio Exchange which i think is pretty cool concept really where if you have show and upload it then NPR or other public radio stations can purchase it there so its okay. I like what they're doing

16:02 And so this was about the future of the radio and and this guy Sean Ross, who I guess is a well-known consultant Edison consulting One of these radio consultancy guys. You know that you know the kind John we've seen them running around Yeah, I know they can't but never heard of Edison, but probably maybe I hate does ring a bell, but no No, yeah, well Shawn Shawn had listened listen to the show Didn't know agenda? Yeah, then he said Well, I listened. He's starting off the panel and I listened and Adam well he thought in his show that...and this is how we kind of talk that he was being invited as the troublemaker That's what i said No! I said troublemaker you said no you're gonna be the asshole if you'll recall Oh okay I thought it was the other way around Okay you're gonna beat the asshole Yeah I'm like okay this is a nice setup

16:56 So he goes down the line and says, okay how is everybody feeling on a scale of 1 to 5 about the future of radio? And everyone's like well I'm optimistic. I'm at 4. Yeah it's just great radio has a fabulous future you know it's never been so fantastic that's the lady from iHeartRadio who was like yeah we have no we have great engagement whatever that means uh it's just great I'm thinking you have what is it? What do they have now six billion dollars in debt that they can't even service next month It's bad, whatever it is. It's really really bad and then they come to me like well I think radios at a one. I think everyone here on this panelism is lying. I think you're freaking out I don't think you know what you're talking about man That was the beginning we set the scene You did that I did that yeah right at the beginning while he started

17:44 He asked everyone down the line. I don't think so and it was really a lot of fun in that particular setting, that setup. You know, I was throwing out quotes and people were tweeting my quotes. So when I rolled out this concept of well you know we don't have listeners uh we have producers and let me tell you why...and explain what the producers on our show do there were people like tweeting and writing stuff down like wow! Wow wait a minute so you wait a minute see so wait your listeners your consumers? Your consumers

18:23 They produce for you and how do you pay them? To pay them. This is what we call value for value So not everyone can support us because we don't have advertising they send us money. They send you money Oh, yeah And guess what that's what producers do did we don't give him a tote bag or a coffee mug as soon you know We give me credit Oh, wow. Okay just like in Hollywood there were people tweeting Curry says produces show get a job through a credit from It was great I could not believe my luck how people loved loved everything we were saying so let's talk about competition And they go down the line well you broke I said I don't know we have no competition do we actually have no competition and

19:05 I'm not competing for time or ad dollars or anything. We're just, we're not competing. We're competing against ourselves. We don't even have a comparable show there's not a comparable show that does what we do. I think at one point did say you know because we have the best podcast in the universe and we had competition oh man it must be good one yeah they must have been hating on somebody rolled their eyes on that one yeah a couple people especially the guy who did his due diligence and listened to the show once now i want to thank you for It was about creativity, because that was really the thing. What's the most creative thing you've ever done? Our producers do everything... I haven't touched a jingle or a parody song in five years. That is not true but generally speaking

19:51 So, this is compared to the output we get from the producers and our creatives. Yes. You might as well say we've never done anything. Our creatives exactly. Our creatives team. Well, we do have a creative team it's different than theirs but it is one. Yeah, it was an extremely creative team Yeah. Okay, so this continues now I want to thank you for telling me you know to mention my box...my podcast box Oh yes! Yes Because at a certain point there's what are the problems and what's going on? Well we got a lot figured out in podcasts and come quite far And I really set the whole thing up by saying look The internet broke a lot of things You're in slow motion crash just like the music business Just like print just like television

20:41 Well, like radio. If you were in a distribution-based business—linear distribution—the competition is obvious and your problem is legacy. You're hanging on to legacy stuff and for some people it's just not possible to change that but for others it is! And I said the biggest problem we have right now is sound quality. You cannot get the gear to make a podcast sound like NPR or even anywhere close because everything is geared towards musicians or you can't lug around 19-inch racks with everything. The gear is not there." Wow! Heads were bobbing up and down right after I was done, a guy from ESPN comes up to me... Hey it's not like he owned the place? I did John! I did. That's great. I owned it now at the very end um A girl stands up and she says, You know, I got a problem uh with diversity in radio She's black

21:35 And, you know I do a live podcast every single morning. And, you know we're I'm trying to break in. I'm trying to get into radio and but got a lot of people like that You know got people listening and liking the show and they are sending some donations But you know, I can't break in there's no diversity and then the I heart lady executive vice president programming also black She's like I hear you sister. Oh my god. Jeez That's right. You know We have no diversity People who look at us as only three of us in the room it became a whole Black Lives Matter thing within seconds And there were only three black people in the room. The woman from I Heart, this girl from... her name is TK. I got to listen to her show. I'll post the link in the show notes because she seemed very cool and some other woman a little further back

22:27 And it was written, so she's saying well there is no diversity and the I heart lady is going you know that right but you got to work at it. You gotta show up! You gotta continue. Well and I did it as started as a intern. Glass ceiling man! And everyone starting to applaud John the white people in room. And I'm like hold on a second what exactly do you want? And you know, when the white people are clapping for the Black Lives Matter and you interrupt that. They went oxygen out of the room! I said what do you want? He said well i can't get...I said you don't want to get into this. The only thing you need to learn is how to ask people to send you money. Sounds like you're on a path why would you ruin it for yourself?! Yeah become a slave. You should have dropped that line in there

23:25 Yeah, I need one of those Hillary earpieces for you to whisper all the good things into my ear. Fabulous! So actually went up to her later she said thank you so much and then anyway we talked to her and I think even gave her an idea yeah and it's a this is how we do it this is how we... And I gave the value for value I said value for value You went to movie like our typical You went to a movie last night. Yeah, you get the pitch. You got two drinks of popcorn 90 minutes, two people 50 bucks. You just listen us for 2 1⁄2 to 3 hours what was it worth to you? And it turns out I says if you leave that open some people give you $50 some keep your people give you five some people will give you 500. It's amazing when you just ask people stunning silence and luckily that kind of shut down the whole Black Lives Matter thing. It was really uncomfortable

24:17 Moreover, just you know it had nothing to do with it really so you know. You are on such a great path anyway So I don't think luckily I didn't throw out the be a slave thing because I think people would have hated me They kind of liked me after that So I'd been talking, and it was like well what is the only thing that radio has? Well there's only really one thing radio has that you can't beat. You're hyper-local and people want time temperature and traffic in that...and you can build everything around that and you really can't do that with podcasting because then you can get to scale in a local environment for million reasons. And instead what I see... And so we get podcasting directly to the car. Right right

25:00 And I said, you know... Which is coming. Oh it is coming and just but I didn't want to give them some glimmer of hope and it was interesting some journalist guy wrote his name down he said so what happens uh to radio with autonomous vehicles? I said thank you for bringing that up because your answer is in your question when you have autonomous vehicles there will be no need for time temperature and traffic you'll be dead Because the car will know when to pick you up, the car will know the traffic. The car will know how long it'll take You won't need any of that information That's when you're going to be really in trouble Oh yes, okay wow Well I think we could add one more layer to that Which is what? Also in an autonomous vehicle there would be a radio you can listen too But since its an autonomous vehicle you'll be watching television Yeah your right

25:54 Just like the limos, if you're in a big one and you own your own limo. You got a television set in the limo. Yeah It's always preferred So yeah radio is totally toast! Yeah toast. That autonomous vehicle that's actually one of the few things I don't have on my list of negative effects of Autonomous vehicles. I will now add it. Yeah, nothing is a good one to put him So, right after I'm done now Lee Masters also known as Yaron Mone the CEO of NPR he's to do his keynote right after this panel. You know when you do a panel and it's like okay we got 10 minute break and 1 million people run up to you and ask your questions and you don't want to talk to half of them because they smell bad horrible breath

26:36 especially radio people. How close are you to these people when you chat after the event? Well, it was small quarters but how do you know what I mean when you're on a panel is always with a couple of people who come up to ya can ask you something because they've had coffee and they just sit there with their mouth closed listening to your coffee breath just percolating around them. But, Jarl, Lee Masters comes up and he occupies my time for 10- for the full 10 minutes. And mind you this is the superstar of the game everybody wants to be up his ass particularly people who are selling spots and sponsorships and all kinds of reasons for people to talk to him. He's like Adam I gotta tell you something really funny. So alright why what? Now i didn't ask it I didn't clear to use this on the show but whatever

27:23 He said, so I really like what you said about live. And just to give you an idea of how the organization works, he said, I really don't have any power over the local NPR stations. You know but it has some obvious financial power and stuff. But I wanted to add the word live to our top-of-the hour newscasts. So I want it to be, you know, I'm Lakshmi Shang is that her name? He knew it. Lakshmi Shemang isn't that the woman's name, the NPR news reader? I have no idea. Yeah, it's like, I'm Lakshmi Schmeng NPR News and he had said okay i'd like everyone to do I'm Lakshmi Schmeng NPR News live from Washington and so you know he sent out this note and said okay I want uh...I want this to be done at the- Which by the way I think is a good idea Of course it's a good idea particularly in light of the live and the immediacy

28:14 And I wanted it so he said, okay make this. So at the top of the hour and I'd like all the local stations to also do it. So he sends out a memo let's add the word live. So week later he says well how are we doing with that? Well head of news yeah we haven't started doing it yet and he's like why not too well but we weren't sure about the emphasis because you know it says who we do what do we say NPR News live from Washington or do we say NPR news live from Washington? So they had argued for a week about that. Was it live from watch- well, LIVE from Washington and I'm like you meant like Howard Stern WNBC! It's not surprised me in the least Is it beautiful and the stations would not do it

28:59 They said, no no we don't like this. We don't like how it sounds they thought it was arrogant or and he said took me three and a half weeks until he finally said I am the CEO of this organization! I say we're going to put the word live in three and a half weeks No wonder they got problems...No wonder! And I just thought it to be a fantastic example of everything that's wrong with mainstream media, really not just NPR. I think it's a generality you can talk about mainstream media you can talk about, I think a lot of companies. Yeah that's what the culture is. You got your corporate culture some new guy comes in with an idea with us with a good idea and that case but it says this now what we do? We've done this to be... Of course we do the same thing at least I know I do

29:51 when people are always kvetching about, well why don't you use guests? This is two guys. Why don't you get guests?" And so I always have my spiel about how much I hate having guests because I've done the guest thing in different formats. And you got to, and of course by...I have a stock line. You get a guest, the guy doesn't show up, he can't do it on Tuesday, he can't do this, he shows up and then he does show up and then he's a dud and you're stuck with him. A lot of things that are wrong. There is a million things that you have with guests Anyway, so he does his keynote refers to me four times Nice specifically. He says I wrote this down what Adam said value for value like huh go figure Wow yeah Yeah One yeah now there was several things he referred to what? I was saying mentioned a no agenda show he didn't say no agenda show well But it check this out

30:54 And I haven't heard back from him. So in this, you know... It was like what do y'all listen to? Oh my god jeez! You know everyone's like well i love how we've done our Spotify playlist by... Turns out Metallica people listened to just a million dumb things all right fine. I say well I really only listened to a few other shows uh My partner does a financial podcast DH Unplugged and We both really like Congressional Dish. helping the host of this, Jennifer Briney and learning the value for value model. And she's really is it actually she would be perfect for NPR? He mentions her in his keynote, although he called it a legislative dish, but I corrected him. Legislative dish!

31:43 So afterwards, there's a lunch just for the speakers, the panelists, the dean and Lee and I of course. And we're sitting there and he says what was that called again? I said Congressional edition. He said don't worry i'm going to send it to you. Yeah, I'd really like to say she's great now We've always told Jen if NPR calls She's gotta take the gig so she set up Yeah, she just has to cut down on the cussing. Although she's had a... Her editor now makes the cut that she puts in. With a golf swing?

32:20 Golf swing. Yeah, that's nice which is fine but she should just eliminate it anyway I sent him the link Sent them everything and I don't know if he's gonna do anything with it But hopefully then one more does she'd that show of hers was a perfect NPR show for NPR And she doesn't have to compromise what she does in the pod It could be the podcast you have to compromise She would be great yeah Anyway, so then we're talking about it. I didn't have the guts to talk about advertising during the panel like hey how's that advertising going on NPR? I mean underwriting call it what you want Oh, you didn't have the guests who used the word advertising to get a response? Well it didn't come up really in that regard. But afterwards... It's timing! You can't just throw it in. Yeah because I was already the troublemaker and you gotta know when to shut up don't be a douche like Tim Kaine yeah you got no one to shut up and not being a douche

33:16 And Lee says, so tell me about this value for value. I really like that and so I'm explaining a bit you know he of course understood but said here's the here's one of the things we really learned numerology. People like to send messages in their donation amounts and sometimes it's a date that is important to them, sometimes it's like ham radio they send $73 for awhile we were getting 80 dollars and 8 cents I didn't understand what was this? Oh its boob in Hacksaw! He said, BOOB 8008. He's like really? I said yeah so people didn't you know we don't come up with this and one guy gave us the boobs Yeah but i said 80885 he said wait a minute So the drop down with number amounts on our donation page is a bad idea! I said yes now you're catching on Now you're catching on Well do we got something that can teach him

34:16 So, of course I finally say so what are you doing? I love what you're trying to do. You know, I'm a big supporter of public radio and I loved that you're trying to make it into the... Just understand the pain of trying to get him to use the word live for three-and-a-half weeks. What are you gonna save these guys because he doesn't have to do this. Lee is very wealthy. He's an art collectors on all kinds of boards. He's doing this purely because he wants to. How are you really going to save these guys from themselves?" I'm actually putting together a foundation. He's raising $1 billion, 500 million will be for NPR Central and the other 500 million will be for the stations." He said my legacy will be 30 years they can continue but they

34:59 But they already blew the last grant. He said, no that's a misunderstanding. So that grant was 200 million. They've actually kept it around 250 million with investing et cetera. I don't know exactly how those numbers work but really what he is doing is just you know they're going to save him by raising $1 billion and you know he's eventually gonna get tired of this crap and then NPR will just You know continue to be it'll continue as NPR and still resisting live yeah And being doing their own thing on somebody else's dime in a kind of like grant. It's like being a government

35:36 Yeah, it's a government job. Yeah kind of is what it sounds like kind of is and I said you know That's probably all they can do he's probably got the right idea There's nothing else you can do they're never gonna commercialize Most of their stuff. I mean no wait wait don't you know whatever that weight weight? Don't tell me yeah show and those kinds of things they can make money No not beyond going direct on podcast they cam but I don't see any other way for him It's too yeah, but that's work so anyway bottom line Those of you within the sound of my voice, You are listening to the true future of radio. Eh... I think so! I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure. Sounds like it to me Anyway, I represented-I think we look good We may have a few people listening And uh..we welcome them To the future of radio Welcome. You're all welcome here Good work Did anything else happen?

36:36 Did I miss anything? Yeah, well these are the pussy controversy. Ah Pussygate yes! Pussygate is live and well i mean there are things going on that just kind of stuns me and i think will be reflected by some of the clips uh you know we're on the border of world war three Yeah, the Russians. Do you really think it's bad? Do you think it's we're really Borderlining on that we're trying to make it bad I mean listen to this a whole did the only one at once if I got is the general of the ISO Of this one guy out the army chief of staff okay Sorry yeah just play that all right knife that rewinded. I'm sorry oh

37:19 I thought you had a tape there. It's different reason here we go, We'll stop you and we will beat you harder than you've ever been beaten before! Yay was that the context of Russia? Yeah damn this guy is an a-hole and he is like a deagle looking man He's yelling all the time he's like that guy that was at the Democratic National Convention they Allen or whoever it was General Allen general that was up there screaming really yelling and screaming I mean this these guys And this is and this army group, and I had this guy in particular in some of his other cohorts I always thought Petraeus was bad with all as you know crap all over him. Yeah That's not necessary You know you know put everything the little things they swept him You kept a bathroom clean little Chevron he's got it on them

38:10 This guy when he's first thing. He said we need to I will beat you We'll beat you again. They were talking about having a quick war with Russia somehow, and how that works Meanwhile as he says that I'm thinking geez why are we still in Afghanistan after 15 years? What happened in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon, or Lebanon is not a part of the scheme yet. What's going on with Syria? Why don't we just beat them bad right now! I mean these guys are full of crap these guys. I have several data points for you One is our own military contacts and my line was WTF is going on with this Russia BS

38:53 And what came back was, yeah, barking dogs don't bite. So it's kind of seen as well I wouldn't worry too much however i went to our trusted source i looked around and found him on a recent episode of CNN GPS with Fareed Zakaria our man Professor Steve Cohen Professor Emeritus from John Hopskins Hopkins, which we pretty much see as some kind of intelligence school. Nowadays. Yeah, nowadays. And I thought it's always good to listen what he has to say and he is as worried as you are, I think. Steve, what is Russia's game plan here? What does it gain from this really quite brutal strategy in Syria which supports the Assad regime but at an enormous cost, it seems to me? It is making itself target number one for jihadis all over the Sunni world

39:55 Well, Russia takes a somewhat broader view of what's happened and so do I. We are in a new and much more dangerous Cold War with Russia—more dangerous than the preceding Cold War We now have three Cold War fronts that could easily become hot war with Russia. Ukraine, the Baltic region where NATO is still building up on Russia's borders and now of course Syria The importance of the deal and let's be clear it was negotiated by Lavrov and Kerry but it was a deal or negotiation between Obama and Putin

40:32 For essentially a military alliance in Syria, an American-Russian military alliance would have been the first since World War II. That would have been what we used to call a detente or cooperation breakthrough in the new Cold War It was killed So one question that we have to ask is who and why it was killed. But clearly, it's death. And what's the answer to that? Well I would just simply say the Russians did not kill it because Putin and the Russian political class wanted this arrangement with United States very much so the question is where does that leave us? And I understand what Mr. Ignatius has just reported these important discussions in the White House but I would say that the first step forward

41:17 is stop basing American national security policy on the vilification of Putin. Putin is the most essential national security partner United States could have in the world today Russia has legitimate interest and we ought to do what we used to during the past Cold War talk about whether our national interest can be coordinated and turned into something that's cooperation Alright, so he is worried about the cold war turning hot Josh Earnest, spokesholder of the White House was asked of course and he's taking a very mellow view like you know the White House there we don't really want to do too much.

42:04 statements lately? Were you basically saying you've got nothing to worry about, meaning that the U.S. won't be using any kind of military force in any form or fashion? Mr. Earnest Well what I'm saying is that the – I'm not going to be in a position where I'm taking options off the table for the Commander-in-Chief I think the President has discussed in some detail why military action against the Assad regime to try to address this situation in Aleppo is unlikely to accomplish the goals that many envision now, in terms of reducing the violence there and it's much more likely to lead to a bunch of unintended consequences that are clearly not in our national interest. But I'm not going to take any options off the table and I think what I'm articulating

42:48 desire to de-escalate the situation inside of Syria, to de-escalate the conflict, to reduce the violence and try to bring some much needed humanitarian assistance to those who need it some who need it the most. Yeah blah blah blah blah blah So no fighting words out of the White House? No though is the State Department that's a troublemaker here because they've been coopted by the Kagans Exactly, exactly. And the Kagan's won World War III because there are some I have no idea why... By the way you know so I was looking at The Daily Standard which is this and I don't have any examples I should've printed some out that is the worst edited magazine professional magazine I have ever read in my life Really?

43:32 I mean, I'm talking about extremely bad editing. And I'm loose...I'm not into heavy editing yet but there's no editing and it is confusing to read their articles It's the damnedest thing. I'm gonna exemplify that maybe in the next couple of shows, just read a few things and you'll be fuddled. Who runs this? Who runs The Weekly Standard? This is run by a bunch of neocons... Bill Kristol. Oh yeah, oh okay! Yeah, I got it, I got it. Fred Barnes. Yeah, the original guys, aren't these the PNAT guys? Yeah, the project for New American Century

44:08 Yeah, those guys. They're the assholes. Let's play this R- This is a longer report. This is the RTS Syria report so we have the Russian perspective which is kind of oddly cynical. What Russia is sponsoring and doing is not counterterrorism it is barbarism In this case I wouldn't rule out multilateral efforts outside of the UN to impose costs on Syria or Russia or others with regard to the situation inside of Syria. However, just a month ago US-Russia talks on the Syrian peace process seemed warm and friendly

44:50 RT's Caleb Moppan takes us through how the relations have changed. Remember when the United States and Russia were keen on sharing their friendship with the world? Well, it's certainly not like that these days. Extremist groups will continue to exploit the vacuums that are there in Syria to expand their operations which will include no question attacks against Russian interests perhaps even Russian cities and Russia will continue to send troops home

45:36 in body bags. So how did it get this bad? Well, there are key factors that are being left out as the hateful words and threats get louder Firstly the US broke the ceasefire when it killed 60 Syrian army soldiers who were on the front lines battling against ISIL Yes! The coalition did hit people on Saturday We didn't A terrible accident Secondly, the United States promised to separate the terrorists of al-Nusra from the so called moderate rebels that they were supporting. Yet months and months later, the US backed fighters are still fighting side by side with terrorists and extremists. It was our challenge coming into the table agreeing in Geneva Our challenge was try as best we can reach out to the moderate opposition And make clear to them that they needed too In order for this thing to work

46:32 It's like all the talk of peace has been forgotten. Yep, yep Yeah it's as if As if We...it's just..as if As if we really want the entire Middle East to be dominated by a bunch of radicals and rubbilized and rubble-ized. Both, with death and destruction everywhere I get the biggest kick out of... well we can play part two of this. Yeah yeah i want to hear it! The next shock group here is the fighting against their regional peer military powers these are existential for us uh and our allies The threat for this type of a fight as a nation state with modern capabilities aggressive behavior and engaging in militarist competition so who would you pick for that one?

47:19 I think it would be Russia. I want to be clear those who wish to do us harm will stop you wait Who's this? Who is this who is this? This is that the army chief of staff of the US Army Oh, she knows who wished to do us harm was the guy right stop you and we'll beat you harder than You've ever been beaten before But if you listen to the words of U.S. officials, it's as if somehow Russia is the one who's being aggressive. I don't think Moscow wants to risk a third world war but look at the way I see it Russia's vital interests are at stake in Syria they do not want a terrorist government take over Damascus what's incredible is that Washington in order to accomplish that putting somebody like Al Nusra or al Qaeda or its various clones into power

48:07 the third world war, risking the third world war we managed to avoid with the Soviet Union. In 2015 ISIL was getting more and more powerful and Russia urged the people of the world unite against them after Moscow's bombing campaign their previously vast territory has diminished this is awakened previously dormant arguments well let's remember one of things that that people in Washington have repeatedly attacked Russia for is they say, oh you're not attacking Daesh. You're not attacking Islamic State. You're hitting the legitimate opposition from Russia's point of view and certainly from a Syrian government's point of view. They're all al-Qaeda. They're all terrorists. They all have the same ideology. Why should Daesh be singled out? So now instead of pizza war is very much on the menu. Well there's one voice missing from this and I have it

48:57 That is the voice of President Assad. Yeah, we haven't heard from him for a while. Well Danish television did an interview with Assad and one of our producers was kind enough to send me a whole bunch of clips on it I selected a few they're all short They're all under a minute And I think they're all pretty darn good to hear it from this guy This guy who used to have Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie drive around with them for lunch hanging out She was in Vogue magazine Everybody loved her she was Remember her remember mess odds wife. She was a superstar in there gorgeous gorgeous Superstar everyone loved her now that all turned very very quickly So let's hear a few things unless you want to set something else up I'd like to play a couple of no, no, I want to hear this okay out first question about the hospitals and You know well why did you bomb your own hospitals?

49:54 When I look at the pictures, I see hospitals. I see the beds inside the hospitals and to me it really looks like it is demolished It has been targeted so who's targeting the hospitals? I don't have the answer to which hospital are you talking about. The Emtien Hospital? Because we don't have any fact about it, where we only have allegations so answering allegations should be only through... But pictures is facts Pictures cannot tell you the story even videos everything could be manipulated these days I wouldn't say that there are no such attacks on any building. But as a government, we don't have policy to destroy hospitals or schools or any such facility for the people for simple reasons. First of all morally. The second reason that if we do so, we are offering the militants incubator, the social incubator they've been looking for is going to be gift something we wouldn't because it's against our interest. It's like shooting ourselves in the foot."

50:51 So he says, why would we do that? Why would we give rebels fuel by bombing hospitals. That makes no sense that we did that! This was the same when they did the phony baloney gas thing which has been reduced to facts and then it's been de-reduced to bullcrap again... Why would you gas...? It's like oh, he's gassing his own people! Yeah Why would you do that is these are the people who gonna be fighting for you exactly? You're gonna gasp it and it was just played like just like straight up. Yeah, I have two clips that go back to back All right yeah, I have more so if you want you want to put these in now these two clips I just wanna put these because it kind of refers to what did the hospital clip uh-huh So then when I start with them, this is just two clips

51:36 from two different sources and two different things, and I just thought they were as back-to-backs they worked out well. The pre-clip carry is the beginning. Okay here we go Russia And the regime owes the world more than an explanation about why they keep hitting hospitals medical facilities of children women these are acts that beg for an appropriate investigation war crimes Yeah, OK. If you think that's a war crime play this play this drone strike clip. Oh geez. OK I wonder what if this is about a war crime? The United Nations is calling for an independent investigation into a U.S. drone strike in Afghanistan and September which the UN says killed at least 15 civilians and wounded 13 more

52:30 U.S. officials say the strike was targeting ISIS militants, but the UN assistance mission in Afghanistan says it killed a teacher, students and members of a family that supports the U.S.-backed Afghan government." Yeah John see that's not a war crime... That's calculus You know what apparently happened. I guess the UN guy was near this hit mm-hmm We're just blowing stuff up randomly I mean, it's like killing to say or shooting a dad I think there's only 40 something Syrian is Syrian army we're not even supposed to be and so why are we doing flying around Syria? In the first place there's your question okay? Let's let's talk about this so Carrie's gonna talk about war crimes I think maybe we should talk a little bit about some of these drone strikes These are war crimes well of course they are

53:19 What do you want to talk about? War crimes. I just thought, I'd just mention it! There's supposed to be surgical strikes that's not working out too well So who do we have here? We got the players US Russia and another group The United States, they stopped all bilateral talks with Russia about any kind of peace agreement. And the Russians said that they actually regret this. Do you regret it as well? We regret it but we knew in advance that it wouldn't work because the agreement is not only about the talk between the two great powers. It's not about what they're going to sign or agree upon, it's about the will and we already knew we had already known that the American didn't have the will to reach any agreement because the main part of that agreement is to attack Al-Nusra which is according to the American list and to the United Nations list there is a terrorist group but in the Syrian conflict this American card without the Al Nusra the Americans cannot

54:20 have any real, let's say concrete and effective card in the Syrian arena. That is why we regret it but we already knew that it wouldn't happen. But isn't very difficult for the United States to separate the so-called Marwad rebels some of the more radical rebels. Is it very difficult when you are attacking the moderate rebels all the time? You're right, do you know why you are right? Do you know that unicorn animal like horse has long horn is myth and the moderate opposition is myth That's why you cannot separate something that doesn't exist from something that exists. All of them have the same grassroots, the same grassroots used to be called Free Syrian Army four years ago or five years ago

55:10 it became Al-Nusra, then it became ISIS. So the same grassroot move from group to another group that's why they cannot separate and they don't want if this is reality not a myth they don't want but they cannot because it doesn't exist But why did you ask them to do it? Because they insisted that there was moderate opposition and the Russians told him okay if there is a moderate opposition please separate those moderates from the extremists And they didn't work, because they don't exist. That's why." So there you go in a nutshell the problem is the idea of modern moderate rebels is a unicorn You cannot separate them out The Russians said hey okay US Why don't you separate them out and we failed Because he couldn't Yeah I think that's a very accurate assessment

55:58 Yeah, so we're screwed. We got this thing well I don't think we're screwed. I think we are supporting the radicals There's the thought that we had on this show numerous times that Isis was a creation of the Israeli folks and I mean by the Israelis in our intelligence groups we want the Middle East to be rubbilized and run by terrorists, and we're supporting all of them. I mean we tried to do that... The thing was when the Muslim Brotherhood guy won in Egypt, I think that was part of our scheme! We were hoping it didn't work out but then the military took it over again

56:35 You know, we didn't say much about either these events because I think we wanted the Muslim Brotherhood. I mean Uma Abedin is very closely connected to the Muslim Brotherhood The White House has got nothing but Muslim Brotherhood people in and out of it Mm-hmm. I think that there were huge supporters of this group Well a couple more clips here which you like in these clips? So I thought they were pretty darn good Yeah, well yeah, I'd like to cuz I didn't hear him Here we have the difference between the American coalition and the Russians. First of all, the intervention in Syria as part of the international coalition

57:13 which is actually an American coalition. This is again the international law, this is against the sovereignty of Syria because it's not in coordination with the Syrian government while the Russians came to Syria after taking permission from the Syrian and actually after having invitation from the Syrian government to support us in our fight against terror. So this is against the sovereignty, this is against international law and this is against any moralized policy anywhere in the world. It's illegal. The other aspect of that policy is the embargo, as part of the European Union they made embargo on the Syrian population. Tens of millions of Syrians are not allowed to reach their basic need for life. For example you cannot buy now pumps for water

57:59 They cannot buy medical equipment to diagnose somebody who has cancer, or he will die because he cannot afford these materials. The embargo prevents the Syrian airlines companies from having spare parts for the airplanes in order to prevent those airplanes from crashing in the air and killing passengers This is the policy of the European Union, and Denmark is part of that policy. So he slams Denmark there, of course because Denmark is a part of that policy and we don't really ever hear much about the sanctions that are put on Syria That of course in itself as an act of war I feel Sounds like we've got some pretty stringent

58:50 regulations in place and as Assad points out, look we invited the Russians to come here and help us. The coalition which is just a US coalition they came here uninvited it's truly they're breaking international law And that came up again here in this short clip. What the definition of opposition? Could you accept opposition in your country that belongs to other country or should be Danish opposition belong to the Danish people. They cannot tell which opposition to support in another country, this is intervention in internal matter, this again the sovereignty, again international law they don't have right to support anyone in Syria against anyone it's not their business we are sovereign country, we are independent, we have right to tackle our problems

59:49 So they're not in a position to support anyone, whether right or wrong. Well that sounds fair enough to me. What are you going to do about it? Two more of course what everyone wants to do about is they want Assad to step down! And it's my firm belief, I think the... And who do they want to step in? Well first is my firm belief that this is still all about. I think he even mentioned it in one of these clips that this is about Qatar. Qatar wanted a pipeline up all the way up to Turkey And they assumed everyone would be all on board and Syria said, no I don't think so. We're not going to participate in that we've got another pipeline coming from Russia Iran Iraq and want to bring that into the port maybe you'll send it up to Turkey but probably you know send it out through Greece or something or Cyprus That's what this is about But if Assad steps down then of course we can fix it all will bring in a new government So why don't you just step aside sir?

1:00:47 speed up the negotiations for a peaceful future in Syria if you left office and maybe another one from the Syrian administration took over. Why wouldn't you do that then? To leave, you mean? That depends on the Syrian people it's not my decision and if you don't have the support of the Syrian people you have to leave right away because without their support we cannot achieve anything, you cannot produce anything You're going to fail So that's simply the reason. Especially during the war, you have to lead the ship to shore You don't run away because there is a war

1:01:23 unless the Syrian people want you to leave. If I'm the problem, again only the other point or other side of the story if I am reason for war, I would leave but it's not about me and just used as nominal reason It is much bigger than that it's about Syria, it's about government, it's about independence, it's about war on regional level, it's about war between great powers the headline and the president is the main headline. So you don't think that you are one of the reasons for the war? No, I'm not a reason for the war because if I am a reason then the war should have started in 2000 since I became President not 2011 when money started pouring from Qatar and when the United States took the decision that they want to topple governments and presidents because they don't suit them

1:02:11 A couple of things he says there. One, if it was really me why didn't people start making trouble for the 11 years since I was elected? And no... Not only that but he fails to mention that they were buddies with him Big time buddies Like you mentioned earlier Joe Lee was there Brad Pitt everyone's hanging out with them Yeah, how quickly we forget never underestimate the long term memory of the United States public for sure. And he mentioned right there No it didn't stop and it didn't start until Qatar He says specifically Qatar started flowing the money in Which of course led to the instability in the region weapons etc last clip Mr President you have said many times that you will continue

1:02:55 the fight until you have recaptured the whole country. Is that still your approach to this crisis? No, it's not my approach. It is my mission according to the constitution and the mission of the army according to the constitution and the mission of state institutions according to the constitution. It is not an option. It's not my plan. My mission is to defend the civilians, my mission is to fight terrorists, and my mission is to take control of every part of my country! You don't take part of your country as a state. You don't say it's enough for me to have half the country or so." There you go. I'm not going to stop this. This is not my strategy. This is what I am here to do. I defend the Constitution in my country. We could learn a bit from that

1:03:47 Just a thought. Well, I think it's gone way beyond the pipeline. It has become a matter of national prestige and saving face which is one of the reasons we're acting tough. We could slide this into the elections, but looking at the time why don't I thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C where the c stands for commander of The New Sound of Radio Dvorak Well, in the morning to you Mr. Adam Curry also in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water And all the dames and knights out there In the morning everybody in the chat room record numbers once again in the chat room good to see everybody here I'm sure they're all interested in Pussygate uh...and in the morning too are well all of our artists but specifically in the morning to Sir Slough who brought us the artwork for episode 866 delay or avoid

1:04:48 And this was the Friday night distraction, which also man we called that one. This was the artwork of Hurricane Matthew Then we called that the Friday night distraction. Good artwork, thank you Sir Slough! Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can upload your artwork I also talked about that a lot as we rehearsed. I said creativity? I don't know every single show We have at least 10 pieces of artwork to choose for album art For our program and but i think were the only people who do that And we are and it's appreciated

1:05:30 Alright, well we got one associate executive producer Tim anonymous who comes in every so often with $222 and 22 cents for some unknown reason is from an unknown place And so he'll be made as executive producer. Uh, and that's that what it's it It's all we got that's all we have Yeah, oh I'm looking at the list now holy crap thing has been this bad in how did this happen? Are you sure something didn't mess up with a spreadsheet No, I don't think anything did there. There may be a this is horrible John This is like now that haven't seen this level since 2011 Yeah it's

1:06:17 I believe that there is a... the spreadsheet is wrong. Yeah, let me tell you something. And I'll tell you why and I think it's wrong by not by a ton but it's wrong there's no doubt about it. I'm gonna have to talk to Eric and get this thing straightened out okay well hey for all you guys listening as I was pontificating about us being the future of radio whoa our vow of poverty comes true Oh God. Alright, that's it okay well alright everybody thank you we're working real hard for ya we have another show coming up on Thursday and we'd love for you to participate and help us out. Dvorak dot org slash N A And of course no matter where you are I'm gonna do it here in New York City propagate the formula Our formula is this We go out...We hit people in the mouth Shut Up! Shut Up Slave

1:07:22 Just I just want to play a couple of clips about the about the hurricane Yeah, well you know Horowitz was following this closely and you were you know talking about he strapped his boat down And then I hear on democracy now in fact. We should probably just get little intro here I wanna there's a democracy now. I've got the one that they talk about climate change They just think it's too funny to listen to you regarding Matthew Yeah. Oh, geez. A million people in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina are under evacuation orders to discuss how the role of climate change has been largely ignored in media coverage of Hurricane Matthew. We're joined now in our New York studio by May Boovey, executive director of 350 Action, the political arm of the climate organization 350.org. May, it's great to have you with us.

1:08:13 But we so often see the words extreme weather and severe weather flashing in the lower thirds of the TV screens. Where are the words climate change and global warming? You're exactly right and Hurricane Matthew is unfortunately just the latest example of a trend where the impacts of climate change get more serious. Politicians continue to have a break and say not nearly enough about it We have unequivocal reason to know that these kinds of storms are made worse by climate change Oh, man And it fits in so perfectly with the quick ratification of Paris, the IPCC by the UN, EU and President Obama's own appeal to delay or avoid

1:09:02 destruction of the planet. But the computer models were off, that was the main thing! Yeah it was destructive but every prediction they had was off because they're using computer models... The same type of calculations are used for climate change in general. Computer models you pointed this out at Nauseam on Thursday Yeah, computer models are no good. People should not rely on them for this sort of thing. The weather's never been modeled correctly let alone the climate now it just

1:09:39 Listening to her complain about it's not a you know, we haven't had a good hurricane hit Florida for like 10 years and You know then the listen to them bitch about this not being reported as horrors of climate change And that's McKibben's group again. By the way, uh-huh make him and 350 350 guys who was just a tub thumper? And Amy, you know she's all signed in on this. We have to remember that the big deal that took place in the last say the last year and a half or two years was getting China on board with this climate chain and China is onboard starting in 2030

1:10:16 and they're going to base all whatever they do their cutbacks on how bad it's gotten by 2030. And this is a huge breakthrough for everybody in this climate game, yeah? It's unbelievable! And they were so proud of themselves for doing this. This entire thing is tedious. It's tedious and hard to combat because that's all they talk about. Everybody's signed-in on it I find it to be ludicrous. And by the way, Horowitz you know you said well maybe should do more than just tie his boat down there's supposed to be a nine foot storm surge coming into Fort Lauderdale which had lifted his boat up and into his house right under his tiki hut

1:10:57 Nothing happened. Fort Lauderdale is where this thing took place and slammed into Florida, and he's got pictures he posted here's the beach right now... He was disappointed because there was nothing going on? Yeah well probably because of the pure hype and it's interesting that remember we didn't have a clip at the end of the show yes I did hold on a second about the hype Yeah, right the guys to hint it won't be it's not like those other ones that were overhyped. Yeah This is this is real its real man. This is real you see if I could find that clip real quick yeah here No, I'm not saying nothing happened because you can isolate there's a lot of isolated spots where all kinds about tons But it was lauderdale didn't get hit and then it's supposed to have hidden directly here. There's something fishy about this Sorry go on here. It is if you live in Florida take care

1:11:53 of neighbors, check on the elderly and your family. This is not a good scenario Stuart category for four several days here along the coast it's not there's not and it's not hype It's real. It's real. Not high this rail as like the rest of them Shep Smith over on Fox he took He took the crown I'm sure you saw at least one clip of him maybe even shipped as a ship Smith The Resident Gay Guide Fox Uh, who was very concerned himself mainly because he had a family wedding to go to and did not want to be on the air the whole night with dead people. This storm will kill you It will kill your children it will kill your pets and everyone you know who wants to mess with it this is a house mm-hmm see that? We can't play the audio cause there's wordy dirt in there somebody said a dirty word we have round the clock team fox smotherage for the rest of your life He says wordy dirt

1:12:53 A wordy dirt. Yeah, that's a wordy dirt is a dirty word don't you know that John in Fox News-baland? Team fox smotherage for the rest of your life on this thing will be live all night long tonight I won't be because i'm going to a family wedding and Matthew is expected to be stronger and last longer than Katrina You see what I'm saying This moves 20 miles to the west And you and everyone you know are dead All of you Because you can't survive it It's not possible. And your kids die too. Do it now or risk death on a freeway in a traffic jam from hell later Don't let your children die in your house Not nearly as mad they'll be at you if they're dead Look at this fool, but not everybody is listening

1:13:38 Because freedom and stuff Freedom and that will be very bad. I want to get to Dolores Burrhalter She's dumb now ask her why she staying and if she expects us to cover her funeral Very mean all right go put some water in the tub or something wash your hair I was a silly because if too many of you perish they'll send me down there And I need to go to this wedding. You will die! Hire this guy, he's over the top, he lost it. You will die Your kids will die Your pets will die The Horowitz didn't evacuate He is in Fort Lauderdale on the coast and took pictures, blogged a little bit I think, I don't know if you saw his power that's a problem because those power lines get whacked

1:14:33 I think this thing was exaggerated. Yeah, well certainly the path was exaggerated. I mean they definitely found some places that got flooded and Jacksonville because this thing kind of went up the coast and then slammed into the northern part of the state and then i guess into Georgia eventually and um... I mean, they were just found all the good spots. They found some trees that fell over like that never happens. That happens when there's just a rainstorm around here. Yeah. I don't know. I just found the whole thing to be...I'm sure there's a couple of people who got you know but i think there's only three or four dead in the totals. There should be hundreds by the way it sounded well we did have over 100s in Haiti. Haiti of course already

1:15:20 Haiti got hammered. Somebody sent me a note and I just don't know, so wait a minute...I said he's right how come we always have this you know this we do we created Haiti as is hellhole on earth which reminds me what Pat Robertson said once years ago that it was some signature deal with the devil. But I think they've created this hell on earth, because it does collect a lot of money. The Clinton Foundation... George Bush got in on this action during the earthquake and then money never got to Haiti. And now there's another- Well, the Clintons have always run Haiti. They've been running Haiti since the 90s. Yeah well, it's the devil and so they have all this activity in Haiti

1:16:06 Haiti is only one-third of the island and nobody ever discusses anything in the Dominican Republic. And they didn't have any devastation from that devastating earthquake either, I always found that to be very interesting Yeah Well then what's the Dominican Republic got going on with them? They don't... did hurricane hit them? Yeah i'm sure it did but what's the difference well they're not living intense In all of the Dominican Republic The Haitians are living intense still That's the problem. They're living in rubble already. Rubble! Here's the Haitian ambassador to the US. I thought this was telling. In some cases, a show of interest in providing support to the country of Haiti but i want to emphasize unlike the earthquake we want to be certain that there is not another disaster in terms of the way we manage the type of relief that comes into Haiti It may have been hard to understand but he says hey you know just like the earthquake We don't want another disaster with how the help has brought in

1:17:08 Wink wink nudge nudge. Yeah, yeah please don't help us anymore Hillary Bill Please don't help us we're okay well We'd rather live in rubble than have you come in and help us I find it very peculiar Well, you know so of course my conspiratorial mind was saying well yes this could just be a bad computer model or You know there was so interesting how the previous election cycle? We had when the Republicans were going to have their convention, huge storm Florida if you recall. All of a sudden... Wasn't that Sandy? Was it Sandy? Yeah I think it was Sandy So you could also say well maybe they modified the weather had this thing crank up because they knew not only was FBI about to release a whole bunch of emails again on a Friday for three day weekend

1:18:07 But, you know there's some WikiLeaks stuff coming out. Maybe we should have a big distraction the Friday night distraction and we'll steer it off the coast We won't kill too many people just a soul or two Maybe I'm just crazy with my getting your nuts, but there is a very good Disney presentation that's floating around people linked it here and there on YouTube It's a movie that was made in 1952 discussing weather science and weather manipulation by Disney It's very interesting to watch. It's about a half an hour. I'll have to find that Oh, very cool Yeah Find that and put in the show notes for the remaining next show so instead what happened as? As these wiki leaks came out this is The number one email guy found in WikiLeaks with Clinton his John Podesta not the number one but one of the number one and So they had these

1:19:06 these transcripts, so-called transcripts of her some of her Wall Street speeches and as Fox was discussing this that's when Pussygate came in. The timing is just we witness it right here in this very clip. Matthew were just getting you know these emails So we're kind of going through them live real time Obviously the audio came out late this afternoon and uh... number of places when whole hog with it and you could see why networks maybe are going to take that is kind of fish in the face when you listen to all of its or the rhetoric is extreme even for trump which is saying something and you definitely know that that's exactly what hillary clinton's gonna stress in a debate on sunday she's gonna wanna turn the debate to donald trump exactly like tim kaine did the question is whether

1:19:58 I think there is some ammunition for Trump in these transcripts. Two of them jump out at me, one is her call for a North America with open borders and for Donald Trump in particular who has staked so much on the immigration issue this is something he'll stress is where she talks about sometimes you need to have a public position in addition to your private position. And that exactly, that goes to the heart of the untrustworthiness problem Hillary Clinton has had throughout this campaign. So they had to, everyone kind of pivot so the timing of of this 11 year old audio was perfect I'd say. Perfect! Well, you don't hear this as much but this is actually the best pussy clip Ladies and gentlemen hold on a second Alert the affiliates we've got the best pussy clip ever

1:20:55 You won't see me moving to no African jungle anytime soon. Or some goddamn desert somewhere sitting on a carpet with a bunch of Arabs? No sir! And you won't see me stop eating no ribs either, gotta have them ribs and pussy too Don't Malcolm talk about no pussy now you know that aint gonna work You know I have this clip too obviously uh and i actually labeled it as weak Because this is indeed viraling around, and like this is the weakest defense ever. What is this Dvorak? This is dumb! This is weak... It's a weak clip. It's the best pussy clip. It's weak. Ah jeez Well you want to play the uh I have the PBS report on Actually I have the PBS report- I didn't realize that I had the PBS report on Haiti too

1:21:45 But here's PBS on Trump. Late today, a new storm around Donald Trump. The Washington Post released 2005 videotape in which Trump is heard talking in vulgar terms about trying and failing to seduce a woman. I can do anything. It comes as Hillary Clinton has been blasting Trump for his treatment of women and Trump has been threatening to make an issue out of Bill Clinton's infidelities Well, well let me ask you a question

1:22:36 I have listened to that. Yeah, good ask me what's up? Okay because I'm gonna ask you the clip and I watch this And of course we saw the news with Tina and I saw the news We had to go online to actually hear all of it which i'm sure everybody did When I heard that clip for the first time First of all I saw Tina just she was just like a bit She physically It was like, oh man. And I also felt like geez what the heck is this? And it took us until the next morning really to realize that you know the truly despicable part of this is that this is how the election is being fought

1:23:20 and the timing of it, and believe me this is not the end. There are right now three Jane Doe rape cases in three different states against Donald Trump they are likely not real but this is going to be reported as multiple rape cases in courts around the country It's all Jane Doe so you don't know who it is there's gonna be I'm sure more audio there's plenty more that's going to come out in the next month And that really, that made us sad. That really this is where we're going now and of course the knowledge that when you put an animal in a cage who knows what's gonna happen now? Who knows... Yes it'll be interesting I mean first of all the first thing i thought of having been in the working class

1:24:10 Is it this sort of banter between men, especially if like I could be cynical and say gee This guy's in the construction business and he talks like this. Yeah It's not even close to being offensive. It's just a typical bullshit crap that guys say to each other, uh, to get a rise out of them. And he does what he did. Do you know what? I didn't find it. Do you know which group of guys does this all the time? All all the time? Well, I like to know which group of guys doesn't but who are you thinking gay guys Oh yeah. All day long. Oh, I'd bang that ass. Oh boy. What I wouldn't do too. You know just on and on and on

1:25:02 Continuously. Yeah, well this is but this is like some I guess...I don't know what the point of the whole thing is but it really got everybody all worked up especially these Trump haters that are out there on the Twitters and they're just going nuts now This is the other thing that got me I thought was aghast by this This is Tim Kaine and Tim Kaine makes a comment on the comments And this is so disingenuous that it's offensive. Campaigning in Las Vegas, Democratic running mate Tim Kaine reacted to the tape It makes me sick to my stomach I don't like even say the words he used in the past when he calls women pigs dogs and slobs I should be surprised and shocked but sad to say that I'm not Makes him sick to his stomach to hear those words

1:25:56 I can, but considering how i feel about Tim Kaine. I can see it's possible But um... Oh did you? The one that surprised me for a number of reasons was Robert De Niro He is so blatantly stupid he's a punk He's a dog, he's a pig. He is a con, bullshit artist, a mutt who doesn't know what he is talking about Doesn't do his homework, doesn't care Thinks that he is gaming society, doesn't pay taxes He is an idiot Colin Powell said it best He is national disaster, embarrassment to this country It makes me so angry That this country has gotten to this point That this fool, this bozo Has wound up where he has He talks how he wants to punch people in the face

1:26:44 Well, I'd like to punch him in the face. This is somebody that we want for president? I don't think so! What i care about is the direction of this country and what I'm very very worried about Is that it might go in the wrong direction with someone like Donald Trump If you care about your future vote for it The two things about this clip one It was produced by Anonymous Content And we know Anonymous Content as one of the producers of Mr Robot and had a big anonymous content thing in the background. I don't have anything real to say about it, then wow! It was just surprising to see anonymous content in this context. And the second part is didn't Robert De Niro put a revolver on a woman's vagina? In a movie? I do not know what movie that was... Taxi Driver?! I do not remember him doing that in that movie but yeah he is like an example of

1:27:51 I mean, Hollywood guys...I don't want to generalize too much but It's like the rappers who, this was not my argument but the rappers who especially took place years ago that were condemning society and telling people to steal shoot and kill in their songs. Right And then bitching about their music being ripped off on mp3s That's NWA I think Yeah I know Exactly well what is interesting about this tactic that has been taken

1:28:27 is, you know guys certainly straight old white guys. You really can't say anything in any argument. What are you going to say? You can't defend, you can't really defend this. I mean the defense of all yeah...I talk like that girls talk like that you know everyone talks like that but so to me again it's just the nastiness of this election coming down to this done by the Clintons first blood i think Well, they've done a good job. I pointed this out in the newsletter and said these guys are just kicking the butts of the Trump campaign. They're much more... Big time! They got more talent. They know what they're doing. Now, the public is working and this... let me see how many do we have? One two three four

1:29:32 I have four different mainstream media clips, all different networks of the following happening. We'll start with... let's see oh this was actually with Bill himself? Let me just get the right one here. Here this is Milwaukee Bill Clinton himself speaking Now listen carefully in the foreground. I don't know if you can hear that very well, but there's a woman walking in front of the camera with a sign and she is saying Bill Clinton is a rapist. Bill Clinton is a rapist CNN In Elkhorn Wisconsin today is where Trump was supposed to be He was supposed to appear on stage with House Speaker Paul Ryan at show of force and unity

1:30:33 Well that didn't happen. Then Mike Pence was supposed to be there in his place alongside Ryan and we've just learned that he's no longer attending. Jason Carroll is with me, Jason Carroll joins me now from Elkhorn Wisconsin I should say. Jason Pence just about two hours ago pulling out and saying he won't be there either what are you hearing as we await Paul Ryan? It works better when you see the cute young girl jumping up and down with Bill Clinton as a rapist sign in her t-shirt, Bill Clinton's face with big rape on it. And she's telling Bill Clinton is a rapist MSNBC!

1:31:19 I think one of the kind of things that we really need to be looking at in this debate is that Bill Clinton is a rapist. Bill Clinton's a rapist, Bill Clinton is a rapist. All right. So he knew that he had a minute? That's how you wanted to use his time? We hear some clapping going around over here That's the best troll. Hey, what is really important as an electoral is that Bill Clinton is a rapist! Finally Fox and Friends. dogs every year the best friends animal society helps cats and dogs who are stuck in animal shelters. Bill Clinton is a rapist! We've got a very excitable young man behind us, not a Bill Clinton fan he's a little bit upset but that's okay everything is fine on Fox & Friends because we are surrounded by dogs and if there's anything they

1:32:14 that calms the human heart. It's a canine. That's the whole point of the segment actually. So that's now a thing, Bill Clinton is a rapist. Well this started with The Seed Guy It's a convention I think where he came up to the young Turk Cenk. Oh no, I'm convinced this is all Roger Stone with help from Alex Jones and everybody else that he's involved with oh yeah now this is obviously I think it's just Roger Stone. He had that T-shirt...he was holding up the Bill Clinton face with rape under a t-shirt at the Republican convention when that... The Democrat Convention? With the Democrat, when that fracas occurred. Yeah, I think that's where the Democratic Convention... Okay yeah well anyway, when that occurred and you know the big fight between Chunk and Jones and Roger Stone was running around so they were set up on i mean they clearly were planning this

1:33:14 And this is now the... Because they already had the shirts made and everything. Oh yeah, the shirt's a dead giveaway always But there was a very interesting thing that happened I didn't mention on the previous show although i did have the clip There was a, Hillary Clinton did a town hall and she had this 15 year old girl which by the way she had a red bow in her hair this 15 year old girl. And Tina was looking at the video and says there's no girl in the universe that puts up red bow in her hair when you're fifteen because you will be beaten up at school You have to see the bow to understand it She said its obvious this girl is doing this To look younger So if she stands up, she's the first one that stands up

1:34:01 And, you know...we know how these things work. These town halls are scripted. They're scripted! The questions are given and everyone knows what the questions are it's all gonna be okay especially if it's videotaped and so she gets the microphone she reads her question and I immediately went who is this girl? Her name is Brianna and it turns out she's the daughter of a Democratic congressman So, shades of setups that we've seen before. Not just with the Clintons but we've seen these types of PR type kids whose parents are in PR firms... This was the infamous Hilton-Hill and Knowlton kid talking about you know the Revolutionary Guard coming in and

1:34:46 and throwing the babies out of the incubators. Throwing the babies on the floor? Yeah, throwing the babies on the floor from the incubators so I was like yeah okay well duh you know even for our show it's like we know this stuff happens it wasn't all that important but then I was watching Schmerkonisch that's the media deconstructionist uh on CNN and he not only did he set it up properly but he played a little clip which is what I would have done exactly but then he has this girl and her dad on the show And this is after the grab him by the pussy quote. So he's bringing, of course... I mean we're going to talk about these horrible things why not bring a 15 year old on the air? That sounds fair and uh and i just wanted to share her response because you know the main conspiracy theory is that she apparently has an IMDB page and she's acted in some movie so no agenda thinking what would we say John? We'd say set up right yeah

1:35:44 Yeah, obviously. All right well of course let's listen to his setup and then this girl come on Was it an amazing campaign moment or merely planned stagecraft at a Hillary Clinton event in suburban Philadelphia? A teenage girl in the audience asked the perfect question to highlight Donald Trump's mistreatment of women watch I'm Brennan and I'm 15 years old At my school, body image is a really big issue for girls my age. I see with my own eyes the damage Donald Trump does when he talks about women and how they look As the first female president How would you undo some of that damage and help girls understand that they are so much more than just what they look like? Oh Thank You! Woooo thank you!

1:36:27 So the exchange got picked up everywhere, including The New York Times which identified the girl as the daughter of a Democratic Pennsylvania state representative. He's a state senator and said that he had helped shape the question but didn't name him or see a reason to further connect the dots Well, as you can well imagine plenty of media outlets took that fact and they ran with it it. They accused the state Senator Dillon Leach and his daughter Brennan of being paid plants, something that the Clinton campaign has been accused of in the past. The outrage and backlash overwhelmed the original story and all but obliterated is actual content part of the endless inside politics narratives that turned the whole process into a circus. But here's the thing everybody did this without ever

1:37:12 asking the girl or her father. So I'm about to rectify that joining me now is Pennsylvania State Senator Dalyn Leach and his 15 year old daughter Brennan. Brennan, are you? Wait so first of all though now they're on remote And she is now next to her dad and now she has a big white bow in her hair. Again, again this is just not credible and I want to point out he says something very specific He says that they were paid shills and as you listen to this interview They're going to decline deny that they were paid shills Which is probably true. I don't think they were paid, but were they shills? Yeah Remember the conspiracy theory she's an actress Brennan are you an actress now how do you think she comes back? How do you think she'll sound when she answers this John 15 year old you've had a fifteen-year-old daughter You know we both have they're now older We still have them But they're not fifteen I don't know okay you tell me if this sounds right to you Brennan Brennan Are you an actress

1:38:16 Look, if you consider a couple school plays and a video for my friend's mom acting then yes I love theater. I've been passionate about it since i was little kid but in no way was approached by Hillary's campaign or asked to ask the question she did not know I was going to ask the question She didn't know what I was going to say at all. So, it was by chance unfortunately that I had never met Elizabeth Banks either so completely unrelated and I've never been involved in both at the same time. Oh man sounds like a 15 year old to me doesn't it? Roll rambling and what's Elizabeth Banks got to do with any yeah, she's the one that gave her the microphone of course She said I didn't know who Elizabeth bank no one asked her Yeah, I don't know Elizabeth banks was The one who gave her the microphone as first for the first question. She was sitting right next to her I don't know who that is and I love how she starts off with look

1:39:07 Come on, John. Yeah I know the look was bad. Did dad write it for you? Did he prod you in any way? Not at all! This is an issue that's really important to me Body image is something that's really relevant to girls my age and when a public icon like Donald Trump Is calling women fat and ugly pigs And judging them only based off of how they look It really does affect us. So I wanted to write this question, and I came up with it. Obviously if you think you're going to speak in front of the future president, you have your parents look over it and help you edit it. And I practiced a couple times, and he definitely helped me sort of compose myself and fix my wording but other than that it was my idea and I came up with on my own. Sounds like a 15-year old Pokemon Go player to me! She sounds like an actress to me Yes thank you

1:40:00 That's my point. The cadence and everything is not right, not just that but she sounds like she has been hanging out with Hillary bots She has the total cadence of what I hear amongst grown up women. Now she says something interesting here, you know with all this talk about Donald Trump and how women are pigs... Well Donald Trump said that a few times and I think mainly about Rosie O'Donnell but where did she really hear all this? She heard it on the news, of course. She heard it on the media." It's the media that has been telling her this and so it is the media who was influencing her... The media who was creating body shaming issues just like as this clip also from this past week. This may have been Fox or CNN I don't know

1:40:53 Where they talk about the influence of the media when it comes to these types of issues Dana? Your thoughts on whether that was an organic moment or stay and if it was staged do we care It was completely staged and if Hillary Clinton had any sense, this is Megan her response would have been I think your mom or women in your family can teach you to have enough self-esteem that you don't have to sit here and depend on what a presidential candidate says. it's incredibly ironic because when i was Brennan's age when I was a 15 year old girl I was learning all about oral sex from Hillary Clinton's husband because that was all the headlines so kind of ironic

1:41:34 Wow! Yeah. Okay, you get a clip of the day for that. Thank you. I'm serious it's the truth she's right yeah i think she nailed it yeah totally beautiful that's a good one oh man And I don't know if there's really much else that I have to say about it. I do have one little thing that is kind of funny, a clip of the day worthy but its... Actually you know I kinda screwed up that clip of the day now that I think about it There was a kicker to it and then I cut it off Damnit! Well you got Clip Of The Day anyway so You dont want to hear it? No I guess not Is the kicker good? Yeah I think the kickers is good

1:42:27 Okay, we'll play it again. Play the end. Dana, your thoughts on whether that was an organic moment or staged? And if it was staged do we care? was completely staged and if Hillary Clinton had any sense this is Megan her response would have been I think your mom or women in your family can teach you to have enough self-esteem that you don't have to sit here and depend on what a presidential candidate says it's incredibly ironic because when I was Brennan's age when I was a 15 year old girl, I was learning all about oral sex from Hillary Clinton's husband because that was all the headlines so it's kind of Oh crap, I was wrong. It's a different clip than the kicker. Oh boy! I have to give it to my son. Here it is! Yeah you got it. You lost the Clip of The Day award. I can't believe I lost it. This is the first time that has ever happened on this show. It's my own damn fault and now of course... Yeah I thought you had something more than what you did. I did but then it was the right one. I suck

1:43:32 You pulled a Trump. Okay, now I gotta find that great clip. I don't know where it was Crap here we go now We get democracy now and I've got a couple of this is the clip is called the scandal that never I believe That before the the pussyclip Trump—I think they were trying to set Trump up with other scandals that never got any legs whatsoever, but democracy now felt obliged to run the story. In news from the campaign trail, CNN has uncovered at least two more softcore pornographic videos that Donald Trump appeared in, in addition to the 2,000 Playboy softcore porn video revealed last week.

1:44:13 In the two newly discovered videos from 94 to 2001, Trump appears fully clothed interviewing a potential Playboy model and photographing other clothed models. How is this a scandal? Donald Trump was clothed interviewing a clothed model! My goodness. OK? Yeah, good one. Very good one. Nice try, Democracy Now! There's a second part to it anywhere? The second part is another one of these bogus scandals. Meanwhile Greenpeace has revealed Donald Trump has multiple financial ties to the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline which has faced months of resistance from the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in North Dakota and members of hundreds of other tribes from across U.S., Canada and Latin America

1:45:10 One of Trump's financial disclosure forms shows he has between $500,000 and a million invested in Energy Transfer Partners—the main company behind the Dakota Access pipeline. Trump also has 50,000 to $100,000 invested in Phillips 66, which is slated to own 25 percent of the pipeline if it is completed." Geez! Fifty thousand? Hey, I'm glad they're not busting their chops over me because i bought phillips gas once. Oh no you're a horrible man! But i filled the tank. So these guys got no traction. No traction? Well what do you think is going to happen tonight? What's gonna take place?

1:46:04 We got to think about this. Well, we're what everyone's hoping for of course is that Trump goes off the rails and just excoriates her and tries to you know The meme that's going around which is the second Which I think is very interestingly orchestrated And I think that Clinton's done a wonderful job at this is the second round of, oh he's gotta quit the campaign. The second round of this. The first round didn't get any traction it was like, yeah sure, he's not gonna do that let's face it so they did it again hoping to get some traction you know its almost ludicrous to see people retweeting it. A survey that showed 43% of voters think he should quit

1:46:49 Of course, it doesn't say that those 43% aren't Hillary supporters. And why should he quit? Why would anyone in the Hillary side if they're accurate with what they're trying to accomplish want him to quit. Wouldn't you wanna run a guy against the guy who's getting weaker by the minute? No, I agree even- Say that that's what you think is going on unless your insincere Yeah even Saturday Night Live when they parodied this whole thing The fake Hillary Clinton went no, no he can't quit please Please! He has to show up Which makes sense That's what you really want So what is the deal with this meme? Nah, I don't know I find it very, very screwy. But what's going to happen tonight...

1:47:33 You know, I thought Trump would choke the last time and Hillary was so glib. Unless she passes out... That would be interesting to see her but they're gonna both be seated They won't be standing at the podium which i think is a huge risk And this is a town hall event So you have the staged questions And I assume if they're not staged, it could be rigged. They could be rigged for one side or the other that's a possibility. They'll be seated, I believe so as Hillary doesn't have any less chance of passing out

1:48:15 Or anything strange happening. Somebody brought up the point that because of whatever it is, her ailment is if she has an ailment. I'll put that disclaimer in there they had to keep the audience quiet in the last debate no applauding don't make do it don't make sudden moves. Yes! No sudden moves, no flash photography yeah anything that would trigger an event So I thought that was reasonable and you know that a reasonable explanation for because i've never seen this here, but don't say anything Kind of it's you know dosh? So what's the point having an audience if they're all gonna sit there mom um I Don't know if they're gonna do the same thing If they do it again And they have this town hall with everybody remaining silent yeah. I would be very suspicious Yeah

1:49:06 But if, I don't know. Somebody pointed this out too it's apparent that they have done a really good job of and they believe it was the CIA is as a conspiracy thing. The CIA has done a really good job of breaking down Trumps personality to the point where you can determine trigger points things that will sidetrack him, things that will distract him. Questions or answers or situations that will bother him. None of the Republican guys that ran against them in the primaries had this information

1:49:42 A good personality deconstruction would probably be useful to them. It would have been... So Hillary's got that, and so she is gonna use it. Trump I do not believe has a... He wings it. I think he ad-libs because he has been a salesman all his life. He figures he can deconstruct somebody and figure out their weak points based on his experience. So far, it hasn't worked. What would we advise him? I think he should just harp on a couple, find a couple of items that instead of generalizing and then getting sidetracked and talking about things that have nothing to do with anything. Just ignore

1:50:25 All that. Just ignore it." And so just start with, well I'm going to ignore that for obvious reasons and then go after her on the open border thing that somebody suggests is fantastic! You can't have no border at all? This is a part of the New World Order. Unfortunately I don't think he's read in properly on the New World Order... You know, they keep him in the dark. He's got to focus on her weakness. Yeah well so first of all about the sitting down thing... So it would be very interesting if there were people trying to trigger an event in the audience that would not surprise me that would be something to do because I'm expecting dirty tricks at this point

1:51:05 I agree with you completely. He should say, you know what? You said for obvious reasons we got to move on and I want to talk about X Y & Z and then he has to start throwing some zingers. He would have to stay very very calm sadly. I think that tonight we will hear about multiple rape court cases against Donald Trump. I think that Hillary Clinton will be her next surprise Because I know this is being set up. This is the big setup and it's really interesting when you think about the Dutch slogan which I've mentioned to you several times, wat je zegt ben jezelf met je kop door de helft. Remember this one? Yeah why forget the meaning Oh It's what you say of others as what you are yourself And when you look at

1:51:58 has happened in this election cycle. We have the Clinton Foundation, you know please look at CharlesOrtel.com and also the news that we had over a week and a half ago The Charity Navigator all of a sudden came out and gave them a four star or five star rating their highest rating which they did after the Clinton Foundation did not change any documents as requested. And this is, Charity Navigator are not an easy group to deal with I know that Tina had to change some donor policy things to get a full star rating from them So, you know they really do...you know they read and they look at stuff and they had Clinton on the watch list. And it was all no good. Then all of a sudden got the five-star rating after one thing didn't happen which has now been documented in the show notes if you want to read up on it. They made no changes to their 2005 numbers which was the request. The Clinton Foundation donated two million dollars to Charity Navigator which itself is a nonprofit. All of a sudden they got a four star rating

1:53:01 So yeah, corruption. Corruption is what that's called so that problem no a million dollar Trump Foundation That's the big headline You know the whole sexual assault thing you know we have Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein the Lolita Express We've got tons of tons of women tons of stuff out there The University where you know? We know that that Phoenix rising thing whatever Clinton bill got at 30 million dollars for being the the counselor, that huge Ponzi scheme of billions of dollars of crap universities as being overfinanced. It's a house of cards... No! Trump University sucked. So it is always this and now you're gonna see this rape and it's going to be the discussion is going to be this because I've already heard it starting what Donald Trump did

1:53:52 is sexual assault. That's what it's going to come down to, and I'm hearing it from millennials everywhere In fact, I've heard them say this is the textbook definition of sexual assault And it's not but that is how its going to be played And I'm afraid that Trump is not going to be able to contain himself and he's gonna be accused of rape. Well, I right now. Now, I think the giveaway on Trump's failures and apparently he won't take advice by the way let me give you the textbook definition of sexual assault if you don't mind from yeah please yeah from the Department of Justice from their website sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent others rubbed the recipient

1:54:50 Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, for sodomy child molestation incest fondling and attempted rape. So saying that you can do this if you're a star is right there not rape but the whole point of what he was saying is oh it's not unwanted from these women that apparently Donald Trump can grab their pussy when he's a star. So, it's just not the definition. But that's beside the point... I know! The discussion tonight will be called assault slash rape and Trump will respond by saying your husband is a rapist and then the whole thing falls to shit

1:55:43 Well, here's the thing that happens. It may not even show up but it's going to show up outside if it doesn't show up at the debate The giveaway to me that Trump will choke this and he is not gonna get through it all because of the way he handled the other episode which he could have just passed off as you know there are two aspects We have no evidence he knows how to handle what your saying There's none. Yeah, and here's the reason that here's the backup on that when he was accused of making these comments He says yes I did say that but Bill Clinton has said far worse things to me on the golf course exactly Idiot thing to say all dumb Stupid yeah

1:56:28 I mean, it's almost juvenile. In fact almost is very juvenile. Oh yeah well if he did that and if I did it then he did it worse! It's just ridiculous and if he does pulls any of that because with the Republican debates He caught everybody with their pants down. They don't know what hit them, you know? And I still believe by the way for people that a lot of people think that we support Trump and they won't give us money anymore but this isn't true. One of the things when he did the Republican stuff they were caught off guard and there was no counteract-they couldn't counter anything he did and i want to remind everybody

1:57:11 That the one good thing about Trump that we should never forget, he kept George Bush or George not George Bush but Jeb. Jeb Bush. Jeb with an exclamation mark from becoming president. We don't need a third Bush. We don't need a second Clinton either but we don't need a third Bush that would be bad and he would have probably given it a good run I could have beaten Hillary maybe So here's my pleasure to you oops. I'm sorry sorry, sir And don't think that the Hillary really has any dirt on jab he doesn't seem like an interesting enough guy please clap yeah Please clap please yes there you go bad guy can I redeem myself a try with the kit with the clay the clip? I thought was the kicker

1:58:01 Yeah, okay go. on TV. Really, let's not do this guys! None of us are on the ballot. The people that are on the ballot are Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and we're judging Donald Trump. If you choose to believe him... Listen if you choose to believe him, if you choose to make excuses for him that is your choice. That is your choice. My choice is to consider him a disgusting man who has consistently disgusted me from the first day of this campaign

1:58:43 And I think that every single Republican is going to have to answer the question, what did you do the day you saw the tape of this man boasting about grabbing a woman's pussy? Period. Will you please stop saying that word! My daughter is listening and we're honored by it if you could stop saying it. You know what Scotty don't tell me your offended when I say pussy but your not offended when Donald Trump says it. Exactly. I'm not running for president he is. Yes and I said I was offended by Donald Trump You're not offended by the man who you are supporting is saying that I just love her yelling pussy a lot. That was great Okay, well you still get your word back? No okay Sorry, I'm in the doghouse it was good though as a good guy think it wasn't him baby very funny clip I blew It this is not the future of radio anymore

1:59:36 I'm yesterday's news baby. Since we're getting off that topic, might as well go to...I don't really have any more for the...we'll just see tonight's date. Of course i do have stuff on the wiki transcripts if you want it. I have a couple clips about that okay yeah think we should just do those real quick um ABC for your leaner report by the way i could not find really an NBC or an ABC version of the report that CBS and NBC did do. This is CBS this morning. Hillary Clinton faced a campaign controversy of her own Friday, WikiLeaks released what it says are emails from her campaign chairman they contain some potentially problematic revelations for the Democratic nominee. The portions released Friday point to why Clinton has refused to make them public in

2:00:28 In a speech to Goldman BlackRock in early 2014, Clinton recalled a middle-class upbringing but admits she's far removed from that now because the life I've lived and the economic fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy. A year before she told the National Multi Housing Council that politics is like sausage being made it's unsavory you need both a public and private position That was, uh... So you know pretty fair reporting certainly for CBS this morning. The Today Show on NBC. These documents do give a glimpse of Hillary Clinton that's different in private than in public she even went so far

2:01:04 as to say as much. On the issue of trade that was so important to Sanders, she actually went so far as to say she would call for an open border policy quote my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders potentially causing her some trouble at the same time here there are no major bombshells in these documents if they are us are authentic that really stands up to the magnitude of that story about Donald Trump and many Democrats I've talked to in the last 12 hours privately saying they think this race might already be over. Alright, so you heard a little... she slipped in a little if they are authentic in there? This is uh.. I saw it on that piece of propaganda Yeah! That's bubbling under right now. Ahhhh this is Podesta It's his emails just saying no these aren't mine Nah nah nah that's fake He won't do that. I don't think that's gonna happen

2:01:52 Well, this is gonna leave the meme in there and he just says I'm not gonna comment. Okay Fox, of course. These were both 37 seconds. Thank you NBC and CBS. Fox obviously did a little more Hillary Clinton and her campaign have repeatedly refused to release the transcripts of her speeches and political analysts say these leaked excerpts are likely the reason why including where she apparently called Bernie Sanders supporters a quote bucket of losers that come from some 2000 by the way I looked for that i could not find any document with a

2:02:43 of top Clinton aide John Podesta, none of which have been confirmed mind you. They show Clinton... Ooh they slip it in there as well John, little fox spreading the meme. Campaign researchers trying to flag Podesta about quotes that could be politically damaging for example one that says Clinton admits she's out-of-touch Referring to a speech she made at Goldman Sachs where she talked about her middle class upbringing and went on to say, quoting, so I lived that. And now obviously i'm kind of far removed because the life I've lived in the economic fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy but I haven't forgotten it

2:03:20 another red flag came in twenty thirteen a speech to the not national multi housing council where she said quoting again i mean politics is like sausage being made it is on savory and it always has been that way but we usually end up where we need to be but if everybody's watching you know all of the backroom discussions and the deals, you know? Then people get a little nervous to say the least. So you need both a public and private position." The aides also flagged comments where Clinton is aware of security concerns around BlackBerrys even admitting that everyone at the State Department was being hacked

2:03:57 even personal emails quoting here again at the state department we were attacked every hour more than once an hour by incoming efforts to penetrate everything we had. The emails also entailed comments indicating she supports the keystone pipeline which she publicly opposes, how she favors single-payer or government-funded health care, how she thinks Wall Street insiders are what's needed to fix Wall Street and why she supports lowering corporate tax rates and raising the social security age. For the record of the 22 million dollars she made from speeches after resigning as Secretary of State three million dollars came from wall street so far

2:04:39 There has been no comment from the Clinton campaign. John Podesta thinks he was hacked by Russians trying to throw the election to Donald Trump." So that leads me right into, if you don't mind a little more F-Russia going on here because we've changed our tune a bit We have here CNBC, it's official John. In this story has always been we sort of knew who did it and the question was what is the US going to do about it? And now we have the answer a public shaming statement from the Obama administration saying... Whoa whoa whoa! Them fighting words are public shaming statements John That's, I mean thems fighting words don't you think? Oh yeah.

2:05:34 And it says that all these attacks bear the hallmarks of recent Russian attacks in Europe and Eurasia, Ukraine. It says quote only Russia's senior most officials could have authorized these activities So, it does say that the kind of attacks its talking about here are the cyber intrusions on the Democratic National Committee. The Congressional Campaign Committee and some individuals Colin Powell a former US Military Commander A White House travel aid It doesn't say that it believes the Russian government is behind these probes into U.S voter registration databases, we know about the ones in Arizona and Illinois there have been perhaps a couple of dozen others What the statement does say is that

2:06:20 In most cases those probes seem to come from servers that are operated by a Russian company But they say we're not in a position to attribute that activity Oh to the Russian government and then the statement ends by saying This is all separate and apart from an attempt or an ability to actually affect the outcome of the vote. They continue to say that the system is so, uh... The election system in U.S. is so diffuse, so disorganized, so disconnected that it would be very difficult for even a nation-state actor to try to affect the actual vote tally but nonetheless it says states should be on the lookout. Hey Pete any reaction here from Moscow?

2:07:01 No, but I think the most interesting reaction we've heard all day is from an American intelligence official who says that he's skeptical that public shaming is going to work against the Russians. Yeah, I was just gonna say beyond public shaming what else do we have to do? What can we do? Well, there are lots of things we could do and that's been one of the questions. We assume that diplomatically the US has been trying to tell the Russians privately knock it off That apparently hasn't worked it still continues so the question now is this going to work? I mean there were a number of other options There could have been prosecutions here then somebody could be indicted There could be some kind of reciprocal cyber attack all those things were apparently discussed

2:07:42 And this is the option the administration, for the moment anyway has chosen. We're shaming you! Shame on you! They can't go much further than that because there's still no evidence or proof I have a clip from RT which discusses this This is the president blames Russia In the day's other news, the United States formally. No, I'm sorry. Yes, PBS, PBS guys organize the hacking of Democratic political sites and state election systems. The Department of Homeland Security and the director of national intelligence said it is in effort to interfere with the election process. We get more now from David Sanger of The New York Times. David, thanks for being with us. What's a significance of this? And the fact that

2:08:28 it comes what, almost four months after we first heard about these hacks? That's right Judy and we reported in late July that the government and intelligence agencies already had high confidence that it was Russia. Okay can you stop for a second I want to... interrupt. Sanger is a New York Times guy, has been sent all around the world and I believe him to be associated with one of the intelligence communities or with the intelligence community...I'm not sure for who but he usually comes on these shows and this is the official argument Yeah, that's what you get to hear. And the official tactic is shaming. I still can't get over it. This isn't even brought into this from his perspective. I think that some media made up. That's right Judy and we reported in late July that the government and intelligence agencies already had high confidence that it was Russia. What was interesting about this statement are sort of three big things. The first is that the White House decided to formally do this

2:09:29 Usually, President Obama has been very reluctant to name foreign actors who were believed to be behind big hacks. They named North Korea in the Sony hack two years ago, but declined to name China in the hack of more than 20 million security files from the Office of Personnel Management and didn't name Russia when they hacked into the State Department White House and Joint Chiefs of Staff emails mostly unclassified emails But in this case I think they felt that it was getting too close and that they had to issue a warning to the Russians not to mess around on November 8th with voter rolls or other elements. I think the second important part of it, Judy is that by naming them in it The president's now got to announce what he's going to go do about it

2:10:18 And they haven't said that. He could do economic sanctions, he could take covert action but there's always a worry in cyber that you get into an escalation issue where we do something they do something back and it can get much bigger Now, this all seems to me to be a smoke screen. And the smoke screen is for probably the Democratic Party because they do fool around with voter registration. Well look at what happened in Brooklyn for example during Bernie's Hillary thing. No votes! They all disappeared and then Brooklyn is where Bernie gets lots of votes

2:11:00 And no, you didn't get any votes because there was no votes. No. Instead of a smoke screen I'd say it's a setup for the smoke screen where if there is some hanky-panky going on and that would then...you know, then we say oh well, we told ya! It could also be hey why don't we federalize these elections? There could be all kinds of nefarious ideas out there. Exactly. Sorry, I was... Having a little battle with the moth What is the proper way to battle a moth, John? You gotta bash him. Moths are weird so they're very hard to do anything with I like catching the moth and letting him free. I don't like to bash them off there's too much to the moth The moth has got a lot of goop in it It's got a lot of powder on its head Powder yeah, the powder Hey! I've got one relevant clip here from Comey just regarding this because I'm disappointed in him boy thought he was my hero no longer FBI director James Comey is revealing investigators have discovered

2:12:02 nice cyber sound in that report did you hear that? That was cool. FBI director James Comey is revealing investigators have discovered more attempts to breach voter registration sites beyond the previously known hacks in Arizona and by the way it's exactly how it sounds when you're being hacked if you hear that sound, you know you're in trouble Illinois there been a variety of scanning activities which is of the people who are in this room. We are urging the states just to make sure that their deadbolts are thrown and their locks are on. The revelation comes as investigators are confident Russia is behind several recent cyber attacks, to influence the US elections CNN has learned U.S. investigators now believe Guccifer 2.0 is a Russian intelligence operation disguised as a group of rogue hackers which targeted the Democratic National Committee Obviously as you know

2:13:02 We are doing an awful lot of work through our counterintelligence investigators to understand just what mischief is Russia up to in connection with our election. CIA Director John Brennan tells CNN's Aaron Burnett U.S. officials fear more hacked information will be leaked to influence the election If there are actors or countries that have particular objectives either to discredit, or help to burnish the credentials of individual candidates I am concerned that they are going to use this time to release that information. While US intelligence officials are hesitant to publicly blame Russia, top Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill are issuing a stern warning saying in this statement we believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such actions could come only from very senior levels of the Russian government We call on President Putin to immediately order a halt to this activity All right

2:13:57 I'd like to deconstruct and debunk this. Huge distraction! Yeah, well I'd like to debunk something here for a moment and then you can get the distraction when Comey talks about scanning activity this is if anyone any or the dude named dudes name Ben know this i am going to log in right now I'm gonna login into my email server I run my own email server curry dot com has been around for a long time on the internet and I'm going to read you from doing it tail minus F on my log file, which means I have now... it shows me the new entries in real time. Here we go! Warning unknown 186 dot 0 dot 94 dot 170 SASL login authentication failed someone just tried to log into my box again second one 190 147 1975 SASL logging authentication failed this is continue i'm not even going to read you yeah that goes on all day you're all day here

2:14:49 All day there's one... Here we go, 80.82.64.102 SESL login authentication failed disconnect and where is this coming from? Let me see I have to do a reverse lookup but I have this ntlworld.ie so Ireland is hacking me horrible people It just goes on and on and on. Yeah, no it's thousands and thousands of days. All day long! Hey look at this hot-latina-women sender address not rejected. Why? I gotta fix my email or something is wrong here. It's rejecting the wrong emails So you want to keep that one? Well this sort of thing going on is apparently really disturbing our pixie girl Harridge. Oh boy! And she is now concerned about something else, all this is going on at the same time as we have Pussygate that meanwhile you have this little story, The Immunity Deal

2:15:47 This was done on the guy's news show that took over from the other woman. And it's Harridge trying to explain this thing and she just seems so concerned. It's about the immunity deals for two top Hillary Clinton aides, former Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills and ex-campaign staffer Heather Samuelson were granted immunity in the FBI's Clinton email server investigation. Sources tell Fox News that part of that deal included the destruction of laptops Fox News Chief Intelligence Correspondent Catherine Herring is here. So, Catherine what's this all about? Well a letter was obtained by us today and it was sent by the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee that's the committee that had the hearing last week with FBI Director Comey and this letter went to the Attorney General and said we've now reviewed these deals from what we see is there are two side agreements one for Mills and one for Samuelson they're very important figures because they're the ones who sorted the emails and determined what should be kept

2:16:43 and what could be destroyed. And part of the deal was that the FBI could get access to these laptops, but Mills and Samuelson got immunity for obstructing justice and a guarantee... You mean immunity from obstruction of justice? Correct sorry pardon me on that. And then also after the FBI had searched the laptops they would destroy them. These were their laptops, right? That's correct. Can you think of a legitimate reason for destroying the laptops? Well I spoke with two different national security defense attorneys today one said to me that the thing that puzzles them so much is that once classified information was on those computers a government record it automatically became government property and he didn't understand why they had to strike a deal when they should have been able to seize the computer

2:17:31 because it had government property. The other attorney said to me that when you have... Yeah, it wasn't like they would've been taken away from them and they'd lost their laptops They destroyed them. That's right, and here is the really puzzling thing and you're really on to the leading edge of this there are outstanding Freedom of Information Act lawsuits and then outstanding congressional investigations And what so puzzling is why these laptops would be destroyed when these matters are not resolved I must say Catherine when I sat there that day When James Comey came out and gave a news conference which was so damning in many respects with Hillary Clinton's behavior on bagging out about who decided not to prosecute us and what's up with the more i hear

2:18:15 the less it seems like. You know, we can't see disagreements and I think the language would be very important but the more we seem to know about this investigation and how it deviated from standard practice, the less people have faith including Republicans on The Hill that it was done in an impartial way And in fact Chairman Goodlatte says... That's him, another House Judiciary? He says the evidence suggests there was a predetermined outcome from the Justice Department that gave these deals. Looks one way or the other doesn't it? Thank you. I just found it interesting that they could have just grabbed the laptops and nobody bothered to do that. And then they're going to destroy them, the reason why they want to destroy him of course is because there's something on there. There's something on him, of course, of course. And something could be erased files and it could be you know...you can erase files and of course you can unerase. Yeah, I'm sure they don't have real scrubbers but even I've been told this from a guy who does recovers hard disks

2:19:11 And he says there's nothing, if you really know what you're doing and want to take time. You can pretty much...that data is still there even when you scrubbed the disk with whatever scrubber you're using it. The data is still there. It was fragmented and it's only there in a very mild way. That's why Elliot always burns his drives! And he drills a hole in it. Yeah, and then puts them in the microwave. Exactly! That's how you do it So that's, and that would, but that's what they're doing. They're destroying the laptops. They're probably taking the entire laptop because it's got data on there that would be important and they're gonna throw into one of those chippers. They have these big giant which is fun, damnedest thing you've ever seen but its a hard disk chipper and you throw the thing in and its just obliterates it into a million little pieces that are just the size of a BB.

2:20:09 And that'll do the trick. Yeah, whatever's on there is gone for good well I know i'll be watching tonight and who knows very suspicious a lot of well The justice our Justice Department isn't shambles It's just shambles to shamble when they started fast and furious and they wouldn't give him two data I mean that was her gun running operation as these guys are like criminals like it's in fact okay They're criminal enterprise but did you see? I was watching them RT and they had the you know, there's one guy supposed to be a comic. He's not very funny But out of the blue he decided to read from Smedley Butler's Oh War as a racket wars a racket and this I just thought it was funny enough just to read this He did it. I mean to clip it and play it oh

2:20:58 General Butler said, I spent 33 years in the military. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interest in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interest in 1916, I might have given Al Capone a few hints! The best he could do was operate his racket in three districts...I operated it in three continents!" Yeah reminds me I got a lot of emails from producers in India and in Pakistan both for different reasons saying oh you guys nailed it

2:21:46 That Kashmir stuff, it's all about arms sales. And there was like five different deals the Chinese are selling, the Russians are selling... Everyone is trying to sell to India and Pakistan because it's a racket! It's a racket I tell you, it's a racket. I want to talk about- A good bunny maker, I'll tell ya that. Yeah guess we're not in it though? No not today. Want to talk about Glenn Beck for a moment? Okay So you mentioned and I've been following this his day, so he went back was on Fox and He got kicked out. We're gonna find out why but you know there was all kinds of reasons I'm sure and then he started his own thing called the blaze And now that is falling apart. I believe do we know that yeah financially falling apart This is what I'm hearing and I read this like it You know

2:22:36 I had a discussion with somebody the other day and we talked about podcasting and new media, all the rest of it. And how important from my perspective...and I think you would agree with this is that you run a lean operation in our case two people. Yeah. And half a guy sometimes which is Eric twice a week. Now don't want to diminish it but yeah Yeah, it's ways to keep works... Keep the numbers. And we have operations. We have network operations. We got stuff... We have a lot of network guys helping us but these are volunteer thing. We keep it to a minimum so you hear people they start and then you see it they started podcast up they first day they need an engineer

2:23:16 Okay, so they can't apparently do the own engineering which it doesn't seem like is that I mean It's not easy. You have to know what you're doing you're the guy for example But it's not impossible To do I mean your with all the clips and all this stuff that we incorporate take someone who didn't really talented but generally speaking? You could do it yeah, you don't need and he don't need to do post now you you don't have to do posts and all these other things that people do, they make their lives miserable. And then they have a big staff, they had the bookkeeper and then they have a manager, they have a producer, they got an editor and they have an engineer. And then there's people on the podcast itself. This is a formula for not making any money right now just to respond to the chat room. Um, the seed guy makes his money selling seeds. Okay? He has 60 people working in his warehouse for his stuff. So that's his revenue model

2:24:06 Yeah, they have their own pick and pack operation. I think he probably does okay. But Beck...I was reading Media Matters that's why bring this up. Beck has a financial problem and there was this who wrote this? Let me see it doesn't really matter who wrote this anyway He was talking about a Huffington Post story that covers the demise of The Blaze, and they say it's financial. And here is this guy who says the reason ad revenue disappeared is because of the incredible work of my friends at Color Of Change, Angelo Carusone of Stop Beck Now At Media Matters and all their supporters They convinced advertisers to not associate their brand with Beck's race baiting and craziness

2:24:54 This decoupling of consumer goods advertisers from conservative media is a really big deal. It's something that I and a legion of people have been working on for over a decade The success of my friends in the hashtag stop rush group alone is absolutely phenomenal We found that general advertisers don't like to support racist sexist bigot There are some exceptions, especially those whose audiences being called the sexist bigot a compliment I developed the Spocko method to defund right-wing media. And I did this because while I knew there were plenty of people who will happily consume racist, sexist claptrap, but also knew that the women and men running consumer businesses do not want to be publicly associated with it. He has been taken down in the very manner that we have said we chose our model to avoid. It's exactly what is happening to him." That doesn't surprise me.

2:25:49 Doesn't surprise way to see I think it's where the seed man took the right approach. Yeah Because I think he saw this this problem coming down, and I'm sure you had to experience it more than a few times All right At least you know people hate groups coming into and do you have to keep not advertise there as a hate group? As far as I'm concerned right well that can advertise with this guy You know and I'm sure the Southern Poverty Law Center is gonna be doing this stuff It's gonna be everywhere They're really going to work hard on this and it seems like there's organized groups. Did you get the letter I forwarded to you about the guy who is one of our Hollywood writer producers? I don't think so Who wanted a copy of The Lear

2:26:39 Oh, I sent him that. Yeah. Here's a guy who is in Hollywood. He says over the years he has run into these guys and didn't know about the scheme but just knew they would come in casual consultants or something. I'm not sure how they come in to talk with these guys, but they have all these story ideas and they pass them along for free and you end up with this running some bullshit about something that you don't even know that is being... It's like a game being run on you, you don't know so he needed that probably for a meeting. Listen to this!

2:27:22 Well, please remember these stories because when people are asking you to support them there really is no other way if you want this type of product which we happen to think is an outstanding product. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda imagine all the people who could do that oh yeah that'd be fab Oh, I forgot to tell you one thing. We were having lunch yesterday and Tina comes back from the restroom says... You can imagine my surprise like what? Yeah Tommy

2:28:03 She met Tommy, the millennial blonde girl? Yeah. Did she say anything to her? Yeah yeah! Well actually Tina did a classic, hey you know you look just like that Tommy girl. Yeah that's what you do. And she said yeah because that's me and she says oh wow. And Tina is great, what do you think about Trump?! Yeah, that's why I'm in New York. It's like I'm gonna go on a whole bunch of shows and I'm gonna explain why it's it's hype and you know the Hillary is really bad and That was all that was interesting Huh? Yes super cute. Oh bet she is she looks good on television but I'm sure she's in person She's dynamite. She's so cute that Tina didn't tell me this story until we had left

2:28:47 All right, we're not here's what we're gonna do and for this donation segment could this is this spreadsheet is screwed up all right Eric's office out And I want to come but I'm going to combine this spreadsheet with the next one on Thursday We're gonna do a complete rundown of everybody and I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Okay? What happened couple things well? I mean, I'm just gonna mention that he I don't know how what he pulled or what he some automated system now That's gonna have to be back calculated so we can get these regular people. And here's what shows me that this thing didn't work out because one of the main donations that I cited was the $99.99 donation and when the donations started to come in,

2:29:31 The first 10 of them were $99.99 Oh, of course for our anniversary! 9th anniversary Yeah And if you look on the spreadsheet They're not on there That means there's a bunch of stuff not on here and if we do read today it's going to be a lot of duplication because when you do you can't get this again ladies and gentlemen You are listening The Future Of Radio The future radio, so it'd be like oatmeal. I mean it's doable but I'd rather not do it and yeah and so I think we also have another executive producer but we will give Tim Nonomous who is a very loyal producer the full executive producership and then we'll put these together next time And I think your story about the Blaze

2:30:23 Yeah, that's exactly what we've been saying all along. This can happen to anybody you have a Orchestrated hate group and media matters is one as part of that Oh yeah That want to get these messages from they don't want to keep them from being Said alright so we're just that simple so what you're saying is we're gonna skip donations? Yeah okay But I do have to do the birthdays You have the birthdays, I think you'll probably have to do some make goods on that and i think there's a knighthood. Yeah but why don't we move it all to Thursday? Okay, we'll move it all Thursday except the birthdays. Except the birthdays? Okay Well I do want to remind everybody that Thursday's gonna be a big donation segment get in now! Devorak dot org slash n-a And everybody who needs it some karma because they always got to give you that You've got karma It's your birthday, birthday

2:31:18 And on the list today, Howard Alex LaHoura turn 33 tomorrow. So we say happy birthday to him in advance as long along with Andrew Gusek who says happy birthday to his brother Robert Gusek also celebrating tomorrow since we say Happy Birthday from your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe Man that's weird Not having no not having no donation segment. Yeah, that's odd well I can It's good we'll do it all on Thursday That came in in September today earlier before the pre-show oh yeah, that's a good one read that I think it's good letter In the morning to you do JC and AC JC AC JC AC in the morning my friend is my friends as I sit back here in the front porch in the early morning with my dog watching people drive by

2:32:11 while gazing at their iPhones. I wanted to, this is handwritten by the way so i'm stuttering...I wanted to drop you a note of thanks and send a donation to chip away towards my knighthood though jobless and down to last $250 dollars to my name I felt the need to donate I would like to ask for a little jobs karma. My boss felt the need to tell me off in a dining room full of people, so I walked out not to make this a sob story but I hated that job anyway." It's an open-air kitchen sushi bar so your customers are right in front of you and stood right next to my boss conversations on all topics arise

2:32:57 And whenever I would enter my two cents worth, no agenda style. Mm-hmm. I was quickly dubbed the conspiracy theory guy and it just snowballed from there Thank you JCD and Adam for all you do. Fudge gas skill. Oh man Yeah, let me give that guy karma can always use some karma for that You've got Karma It's rough we get called out like that rough rough rough So I think that there's a couple of things, you know if we look at this debate that is coming up tonight. Everyone was prepared the Clintons certainly knew about the WikiLeaks transcripts

2:33:40 You know, Trump knows what's coming with the you know it's obviously all going to be about he's a rapist. No he's a rapist now your rape is that your day? Your days can be back and forth very very sad But I think that they were also preparing for a lot of attacks on Obamacare no Obamacare You just can't stop even the mainstream media can't stop the flood of news in fact gee You'd expect Trump to bring it up that Bill Clinton himself said it was it was a mess so they're preparing for it And how did they prepare? Well, very funny. They sent out the architect of Obamacare, Zekiel Emanuel... Is he Zekiel Emanu- I think his name is? Zekiel? Something like that. Yeah. And they let him do interviews on Fox! So uh, He did one with Megyn Kelly, I don't have that clip but i need to play the one this is a Stuart Varney again now you see the guy's funny

2:32:57 And whenever I would enter my two cents worth, no agenda style. Mm-hmm. I was quickly dubbed the conspiracy theory guy and it just snowballed from there Thank you JCD and Adam for all you do. Fudge gas skill. Oh man Yeah, let me give that guy karma can always use some karma for that You've got Karma It's rough we get called out like that rough rough rough So I think that there's a couple of things, you know if we look at this debate that is coming up tonight. Everyone was prepared the Clintons certainly knew about the WikiLeaks transcripts

2:33:40 You know, Trump knows what's coming with the you know it's obviously all going to be about he's a rapist. No he's a rapist now your rape is that your day? Your days can be back and forth very very sad But I think that they were also preparing for a lot of attacks on Obamacare no Obamacare You just can't stop even the mainstream media can't stop the flood of news in fact gee You'd expect Trump to bring it up that Bill Clinton himself said it was it was a mess so they're preparing for it And how did they prepare? Well, very funny. They sent out the architect of Obamacare, Zekiel Emanuel... Is he Zekiel Emanu- I think his name is? Zekiel? Something like that. Yeah. And they let him do interviews on Fox! So uh, He did one with Megyn Kelly, I don't have that clip but i need to play the one this is a Stuart Varney again now you see the guy's funny

2:34:40 He's not an American, so he has nothing to lose. Immigrant! So he talks to Zekiel Emanuel about Obamacare and he starts off... I guess what it is that he asked the listeners to send in was how is it working for you? Of course similar stories as we've heard You just tell me when you've had enough first off listen to this from Chris got kicked off my old plan premiums up 400% copayment up 150 percent deductibles 2500 when before it was 250 basically we've been screwed and I'm not on Obamacare. This is what the law has done to me dr Ezekiel Emmanuel architect

2:35:26 of Obamaca is with us now. First of all, I'm very sorry for him as he you know creating a piece of legislation that's going to cover 310 million people You have problems and we've discovered problems and Democrats are proposing solutions to some of those problems But we also should not have amnesia. The situation before the Affordable Care Act had 50 million people uninsured... Is that an apology, Zeke? Would you let me finish? Look I'm running this. Is it an apology to Chris? Would you treat me like a guest instead of your punching opponent so i can be here and respond? You asked me to respond and I'm responding. We need to compare before and after And I am really sorry for Chris

2:36:10 This one is from Mark. Can you hear this? My monthly premiums in Arizona went from 400 a month for three people to 850 a month. My deductible went from 4,000 to 10,000 the month Obamacare went into effect Ask him, that's you sir. Why my family's premiums went up and Obama said they would go down? What is your answer doctor?" Well I'll tell you actually... My answer if if actually look at health care inflation we've brought healthcare inflation down And the main way to keep premiums down is to keep health care costs down. And Obamacare has done more to keep health care costs down than anything we've seen in the 50 years previously since passage of Medicare and Medicaid It is very unfortunate that insurance companies have taken an opportunity

2:36:59 rates very high, but that's a result of health care costs going up. And we need to keep total health care costs going down." I love how it says well it's going down but then it's going up because it's going down you see? Up is down and down is up This guy is crazy this guys crazy to come on Fox He's crazy to go onto anything he doesn't have no leg to stand on! He's a douchebag! Douche bag him! The Democrats have very good plans to do that They're losing billions They're losing billions and they're leaving. No, the insurance companies are not losing billions their stocks are at record highs. They're making actually record profits. And they're leaving? Now they're leaving look no here comes a letter it's leaving for political reasons because the government didn't want to create a monopoly by allowing it to merge with Humana Increase the subsidies that would help

2:37:49 increase the fines for not having insurance and restore payments to insurance companies from taxpayers. Those were the three fixes you put out last night with Megyn Kelly. That's how you would fix it? Well, that's because she also like you keeps interrupting me but I think those three fixes and by the way that's quote-unquote subsidies they are risk corridors and I should say that when the Republicans passed Medicare Part D they had those kind of risk corridors in for the... You always do it! This is what we're trying to get to last show and I didn't know what the person was saying its risk corridors

2:38:27 That's the main thing. And what he is going to say, well it's all messed up and you don't have to listen anymore just goes on useless. Well if you want I have another minute if you want. You get the idea. So he says because specifically Marco Rubio putting the rider or whatever it was in the bill to deny the full health corridor. That's why it's failing and that's why the insurance companies have jacked up rates on certain people, not everybody because overall its only up 15% which of course is much lower. Bullcrap! He's saying on average but whatever he says

2:39:14 So, I went to look into these corridors and the idea of the corridor is kind of like a range...a range of reinsurance that is in the Affordable Health Care Act. That although it was curtailed because indeed Marco Rubio just to give you an idea what this is about this is the hidden money of Obamacare For 2015, I'm reading this right off of the RA and RI summary report for the Affordable Care Act as required by the law itself to report. The summary data elements number of issuers with 2015 benefit year reinsurance eligible individual market plans nationwide in other words number of companies includes the smaller guys on exchanges John

2:40:05 who were eligible. How many do you think, because we're only talking about one or two? How many insurers do you think issuers that were eligible to get money from the government? A hundred? Five hundred and seventy-five. Oh well that's a lot! The number who actually received the benefit 497 now there are 2 numbers here the total request for reinsurance and then the total value that was paid out because they can't pay everything thanks to Marco Rubio's ride override. The current total dollar value to be paid by us taxpayers, $14.3 billion

2:40:53 Now, they didn't pay all that but it's still $7.8 billion that they paid to the insurance companies to help them where they re-adjusted... This was never really explained very well because we're on the hook three ways and it's not like this is just magical money. It's our money so we're paying extra in premiums and we're paying for the reinsurance. Yeah? No, this doesn't work at a system. It was poorly designed. It's really sickening Poorly designed. Yeah, okay? That's one way to say poorly design and really designed They just had to make it Medicare for everyone then you're done anyway So that that was probably planned for the debate otherwise Why would this guy take that flaming hot poker up the rear end makes no sense maybe I think I was probably sent out yeah of course he was sent out of course Hmm, but I've got a couple that's good. Yeah now go ahead go ahead. No go ahead Let's go to Europe first second good

2:41:58 I have a very funny couple of clips. This is the UK hate speech, new laws apparently aimed at the at the U.K.'s publications and that was brought into play by Brussels. Yeah well this is what we discussed on the previous show Number one. Brussels has told the UK to ban its media from revealing the religious background of terrorists if indeed they are Muslim that's after European human rights chiefs published a report claiming racist violence is on the rise in the UK due to hate speech in newspapers and online just a b12 level check

2:42:37 You remember I told you the story yeah, and remember that. I didn't have this exact report. I didn't know I Had no clips. I had nothing this is great. I'm loving it Just wanna make sure we remember that we Muslim terrorists can't say muscle can't cause muscles can't be called muslims after that they gave us an announcement and then they Had a little they had a guy I guessed on a Muslim and a guy who thought this was horrible because free speech and all And then they got into the I didn't clip much of the second part of this because they started talking over each other It's such an extreme that it was they actually had to cut them off and kick them off the show But it deads later, so you can just play a little bit of it.

2:43:31 freedom of the UK press and in that regard it's an outrage. Why shouldn't people be allowed to understand the background of those who perpetrate acts of terrorism? And why should an exception be made for Muslims?" is 83 pages, it runs onto hundreds of paragraphs and it's a comprehensive study. It talks about the rise of intolerance hate prejudice hate attacks following Brexit but also the media The mainstream media in the UK are absolutely beholden to racist interests from this report

2:44:07 I've written an article called the Muslim penalty which i'll share after the interview. There are significant problems with diversity and discrimination in the UK, we have an outside agency who currently whether you like it or not we are applicable to them. Gentlemen I want ask a completely different question now if I may is this not an example of why British people voted the majority to get out of the EU because the EU interferes in the way that its member states run themselves? Yeah, yeah. Now the guy said that the Muslim guy says this is the mainstream media in Britain that will cite you know a Islamist terrorist is Beholding to racist interests and that's why they do it hmm That's what he said yeah I heard him

2:45:05 What's a racist interest? I don't know. It's a precursor to racism, I guess They're beholden to racist interests. So they're doing it because of some group or a corporation that pays the bills, possibly something that are inherently racist. That's bullshit! I think he just throws those words in there and oh god the word racists has just been used where you got red alert, red alert, racist, racist... Racist interest hmmm.... That's pretty good actually

2:45:44 racist interests. It's the name of the show. Talk about racism, they said this is a play the Southwest Iraqi passenger. In San Francisco, the Council on American-Islamic Relations has filed a complaint against Southwest Airlines with the Transportation Department calling for an investigation into whether the airline company is racially profiling Muslim Americans. This comes after recent University of California Berkeley graduate Karol Deen Makhsumi was pulled off a Southwest Airline plane after another passenger complained about him speaking in Arabic on his cell phone

2:46:24 Yeah, I think he was saying insula. Insula is something he was this story goes on and on because it's so important but it was the thing that got me as care is attacking a Southwest airline because they believe they're involved with racial pro-racial racist in interest racial profiling but the guy was tossed off because of a customer complaint which happens all the time and they complain about I mean, I saw a guy tossed off. A white guy yeah tossed off a plane cuz he had Tourette's. Yeah it could happen to me any way. It was some woman who was complaining

2:47:12 to the staff and they took him off the plane. So it was a customer complaint that resulted in this, so how is the airline involved in racial profiling? Well airlines...and thank you for bringing this up This is going to be next no doubt about it Airlines have the absolute right To refuse anyone for any reason even just their spidey sense doesn't feel right They have a lot of power to deny customers using their service And now you're going to see this is going to be, a big deal and your racially profiling. Yeah it's gonna get bad more of that You can't escape anything we're over socializing ourselves people. You can't run around not offending someone just doesn't work that way. Shit man were out of time really but I did have something that fits into this. This Bill C-16 in Canada, in Candanavia

2:48:10 Have you heard of Bill C-16? Probably not. Alright, this is something that is wanted here in the United States and we have not done or been able to do or willing to do and that is to include gender in our anti discrimination laws so this bill has now been introduced in Canada because Canada's much better than America we all know that It's called Bill C-16. Here is a quick setup from the Justice Minister about this. I am proud to say that moments ago, I introduced legislation, Bill C-16 an act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and Criminal Code

2:48:52 that would ensure that Canadians will be free to identify themselves and to express their gender as they wish while being protected against discrimination and hate. Because, as Canadians we should feel free and safe to be ourselves No one should be refused a job, disadvantaged in the workplace, be unable to access services or be the target of harassment and violence because of their gender identity or gender expression. Once passed this legislation would update the Canada Human Rights Act to protect persons from being discriminated against because of their gender identity or their gender expression

2:49:37 We also intend to update the criminal code so that those who are targeted because of their gender identity or gender expression are protected against hate propaganda and hate crimes. Now, I don't know why we have hate crimes and hate propaganda as now a part of this bill. And this bill is not passed yet but I think Canada will do this...I think they seem like... Oh yeah, Canada's the kind of...yeah. A bunch of people who would do that. Weenieville, Canada! So there's a...CBC went on location at the University of Toronto in Candanavia because there was a demonstration by transgenders

2:50:21 Can we say that? Transgenders, or do I say the transgender community... I have no idea what you can say anymore. Well, I'm probably wrong. I'll take the heat by the transgendered community. They're very angry at the president of the school, dean and whatever it is because he has said he refuses to... He says fine, if you want to be where you want to be, identify however you identify. I am not going to enforce the use of proper pronouns which as you know this is also not a part of the bill so he said I'm just not gonna do that problem up there. So they send this girl who actually I think is gay, it comes up somewhere here and she goes to interview the transgendered community at the school who are angry about this

2:51:08 You just gotta listen to it. We have infected them. his students, which we are here to say that he does not. Lawrence Sutherland is not a member of the transgender community. They're here with an alt-right media organization. Did you want to do an interview about this? I'm trying to get all opinions, you know? I think we're supposed to prioritize trans and non-binary voices so... Are you binary then? Well let me prioritize your voice! I don't think that's fair as a white cis woman. I'm actually not cis but what does that mean? That's not fair for me as a white cis woman. So you're trans then or are you non-binary?

2:52:02 Didn't you just say you're non-binary? You asked me if I was and I said no, I'm cis. Okay so you think it's unfair to talk because your cisgender? No supportive of the trans community and I think that it's important that we listen to trans and non-binary voices first. Hi! You think everyone's opinion matters equally? Not in this whole... If you're willing to be educated, I'm willing to teach but if you're not willing to listen to me, I have to say... No no no, I'm not... You aren't necessarily an educator though That's the problem Everyone, everyone I know, so we're gonna... Maybe as us as trans people have a little bit more understanding than someone who's white. We have more knowledge on this subject than other people do. Have you gone to go and have a discussion with Peterson? What he said was that he would not acknowledge our pronouns That is not the same thing saying he wants to have a discussion And he said because and gave a reason Now if you went and asked him for more

2:52:59 To have a debate on that, I wouldn't be safe in them. You think he'd hurt you? A transmasculine person in a dress talking to transphobes is never safe whether it's physical or verbal Wow man this is really bad up there. A transmasculine person in a dress can never speak with a transphobe because its dangerous whether its just talking or whatever This is the clip of the day You get it back. I get it back, wow! Well then let me give you the last bit here of this clip Oh my god! I know...I know It hurt me too Okay so your not willing to have a discussion because it wouldn't be a safe space? I am not willing to have a discussion about whether or not I'm real and valid

2:53:46 Oh, I would just like to say that on as sympathetic as I am to the trans and LGBTQ plus communities goals. There's a new one LTB T what is the LGBTQ plus? Ooh, I like that whole moment right there That's good LGBT that is very good plus. Yeah, I like that but then he gets shouted down to have a discussion about whether or not I am real and valid Oh, I would just like to say that on as sympathetic as I am to the trans LGBTQ plus communities goals I Am very I'm also very disappointed you just hear my race my own skin color be attacked

2:54:28 Did you hear? You're only interviewing cis white guys! That's very inappropriate and I don't want to be in a position in which I have to oppose Bill C-16, but simply due the fact that it is poorly written. The fact that refusing to refer... Simply refusing to refer someone's pronoun could constitute discrimination simply means the bill needs to be rewritten before its examined The rallyers, the protesters here keep referring to the fact that they claim that Dr. Peterson has said that non-binary people simply do not exist in fact that is not what he said He has said that gender sex at birth, gender expression and gender identity simply do not vary independently That's simply the only claim he made in his videos and he actually made it very clear so I highly encourage everyone to give their videos a watch before protesting Many of the organizers informed me that they didn't

2:55:16 And I would also like to say to anyone who wants to stop any sort of discrimination, not to yell at people based on their skin color as just happened me. Thank you very much! Oh wow. Hey Canada, you're screwed! Big time? Oh man... Yeah I know. That's a great way to finish the show off give everybody some uplifting clips that's right exactly for me future of the world within they live that's right that your world I'm Paul Harvey something like that all right we'll be watching the debate of course who knows what will happen

2:56:19 And we'll have plenty of time to process until Thursday. That's kind...kind of interesting, it is a long time really I don't know if i'll be able to handle this Oh man We could do him an emergency show No! Answer no. Answer no? Okay Well everybody thank you very much for tuning in on this Sunday For your bi-weekly deconstruction of the media God help us and god help Canada for that matter And Germany, who just had a terror alert this morning. A kilogram of TATP was found. That makes nothing but sense Frau Merkel Coming to you from the Bogative photo promoted Airbnb here on East

2:57:10 What am I? East... 86. 58. Something like that, here in the Big Apple. I don't even know what FEMA region it is! I gotta get out. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where I got to get in, I'm John C. Dvorak We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda Adios mofos! Delay or avoid, delay or avoid The Paris Agreement will not solve the climate crisis

2:57:54 Delay or avoid gives us the best possible shot. We'll stop you and we will beat you harder than you've ever been beaten before.

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