2:06:17 So I do think that the search engine and not only, look i can only tell you what our audience what our producer says. Oh, how about... I mean there's just so many things that can be prescribed but all you need is a code and you can do so much more now with all these codes. You think the doctors are like oh! I don't want to get reimbursed, I don't want to prescribe more, I don't want to get any money of course they do. I don't believe what you're saying is even remotely true okay? They're not getting more if you spend an hour at the doctor's office they're not getting more money because you they prescribe something If you prescribe... Why would they
2:06:57 Okay, neither of us know enough just go nuts and to be prescribing millions of things if there's any Have you seen children today? They are on Ritalin. They're on adderall they're on Prozac Yes They're going nuts and every single prescription needs a curl in the medical community is that they're getting paid? They're getting paid by the drug companies directly for all like spiffing It's not like they write up a million prescriptions. If everybody got more money from the government, let's say for writing more prescriptions there would be writing more prescriptions to everyone! And that is exactly what's happening. Oh bull... Okay
2:07:33 Well, not happening. In fact there's a huge prohibition against writing too many prescriptions for painkillers for example in the state of California. They go after you if everyone has to go to Florida to get their pain medications from phony doctors. Our producer Angela from Vegas as a former billing instructor I can confirm every procedure requires an ICD-9 the procedure codes are CPT codes, a doctor visit is a CPT code requires an ICD-9 soon to be ICD 10. ICD10 qualify the liability of the cost of the visit whether it's insurance or third party." These codes are key this is...the whole industry is built on this. Doctor office everything has an ICD-10 code applied to it and there's just going to be more so they can bill more. And I'm sorry I think you're incorrect on this. Howard Glassman Well let's have some doctors read, doctors will listen.
2:08:22 We only have dentists we only have dentist the guys who couldn't take the real test Hopefully, we'll see you sometime in the future. They know they know let's Here's the question. If your patient comes in and you take a million of these idiotic codes that have to do with his personal life, like oh he doesn't like his mother or he doesn't like...he got a sore knee, he got hit by baseball, had a broken arm when he was kid, has trouble, a million things. You write every one of them down And you take example two where you write down, he came in and has a cold. I looked him over and told him to take two aspirin and call me in the morning. Stop right there! You're saying that the first situation with all these codes gets the doctor more money? Yes your mistake is making doctors say take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning now each visit level has different criteria so even just talking to the nurse at
2:09:24 at reception, all of these things are related. And the higher you go the more billings you make, the more you are making as a doctor with reimbursements. These aren't billings! It's not a billing! Yes these are billing codes! Like your mother-in-law is not a billing it's just a code The ICD code is a billing code yes it is a code that so if you are going... Okay let's just take one example Why are you so... I don't understand. Because it's bullcrap what you're saying, that's why! You're making it sound as though the- Tell me what I'm saying and then we'll tell me what I'm saying What am I saying? You are saying that the more codes you put in a patient's record The more money you get Yes Okay That's what I say you're saying That's what I've been trying to say And you say that's bullcrap No, you say that's bullcrap I say that's bullcrap Let that be the question that shall be answered
2:10:18 I believe the more codes you put in, which means more treatment. The more reimbursement comes to the facility, the doctor etc., yes. Dr. Yes. We're talking about the doctors? It's the doctor's best interest to put in all these codes that are many miscellaneous codes like you don't like your mother-in-law... Would you agree with me that it is in the medical and the pharmaceutical industry's best interest to keep you coming back and that there is pretty much no longer a scenario in the world where we say, We've cured you! Goodbye. What's that got to do with the question? Nothing. I'm not going to go in that direction, we have one simple question to answer. You get more money by putting a lot of codes in the same meeting you have one meeting and one hour or give me a break. You've gotta 20 minute visit with your doctor. One doctor tells you take two aspirin, the other doctor writes a million miscellaneous codes about your whole life
2:11:16 That, you're saying the second doctor who writes all the codes down gets more money. That's the question not some philosophical crap that you're trying to bring into the conversation? Dr. Lowells That's the question and you're saying that's not true. You are saying if you do not receive a number of...more than one diagnostic code, ICD-9 code which means you could be treated for each one with the CPT code, as Angela just told us. That there's not going to be more money? Of course there is! So it behooves to have more diagnosis and you can always throw in hates his mother-in-law that's free money right there. But this what...that's the question right there. That's the question You put down...you get more money for saying he hates...for putting down that he hates his mother-in-law. That's not the case There's no way if that's the case