Flood the Zone

00:00 And I went, oh wow! He said oh wow. Oh man... Adam Curry John C. Dvorak It's Thursday August 28th 2014 it's time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 647 This is no agenda Overflowing with premonitory urges here in the Wi-Fi enabled Canal House in the pipe In the heart of Amsterdam In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry That's alright because we have no idea what you said Sex action it's that's why it's gonna It's gonna be one of those shows for some reason whenever I talk or when I send something to you Then but you just uh, you're just not audible at all. Okay? But hey John how are you doing?

00:56 Wasniak wants more wearables. I'm doing fine, how are you doing? Um...I've been better Do we have like a huge lag now all of the sudden as well just to add to all the issues We've been dealing with for the past hour? Do we or not? Yes! Okay so let me just while were doing this and for those who are tuning in I'm in Amsterdam John is in in In California northern Silicon Valley and you'd think in 2014 it wouldn't be that hard to just you know have a Skype call And then have a little chat. It turns out as very difficult Intrigue international intrigue So let's just see what the lag is five four three one What? All right, but how long is it

01:54 Well, it's about a full second. Wait one second lagged him is have to step on your yes sound reasonable I'm gonna have to step on everything you do yeah anyway so for the past hour we've been trying to set everything up and of course We still want to deliver you the best podcast in universe. We always do try to do that That's right And so the Skype connection has just been horrible. The router here, for some reason one machine can't talk to the other and now I believe John you have your Comcast router set up with a giant fan on it to cool it down because this as a little extra bonus...

02:30 As a matter of fact, this Motorola surfboard which is what I've got here is less than a year old and it's crapped out. It overheats and then the bandwidth goes from 50 to 0.5. And when did this start happening? This actually, this was actually a thing that began maybe two or three weeks ago and actually back maybe before that because Comcast was telling me I was having trouble with the modem. And over the last couple days it's gotten so bad that the modem will only work for about five minutes before it drops from

03:09 After you reset it and cool it off. I put in the freezer yesterday, and that didn't help everyone thought was nuts when I pulled it out what's that? So the only downside of the downer is for some reason SonicNet now this is always interesting to see how the internet works and I believe we had the same thing when we were in Tokyo SonicNet does not have great routing or peering, I would say it's not peering. It's probably routing but then maybe associated with some peering yeah? I would blame this less on SonicNet and more on AT&T they piggybacked back on the AT&T lines to give us our connectivity and AT&T probably does not have the same international routing agreements that Comcast has so when you once you leave the country because AT&T would love to gouge for long distance phone calls

03:59 As opposed to Comcast they don't care Yeah, but is it sounding that has to have their own peering arrangements once they roll off of the AT&T network They don't just piggyback on everything AT&T has that doesn't make any sense. They're probably just using the AT&T domestic Network I don't know. Maybe they don't have good agreements, so talk to them about it and ask them what the deal is because it's mediocre. The thing is work can find looking at the numbers with speed very speed test and it's just the same as its always been no difference. Interesting Well, I you know who knows but we've always seen a difference overseas between Sonic net and Comcast But now we have this very annoying this it's just the dropout wasn't even is the lag is one thing but you talk and then It's like you'll say a word. So the word will be houseboat and they'll come through like this house boat Oh

04:56 boat. It just, it like- it likes to... Somewhere the internet decides to hold on to No, no, the internet decides to hold onto that word and not just give it to me I think because of the lag we should say over 10 for good buddy let's try that over Okay Oh my goodness Anyway uh and lemme just hit record Uh I'm kidding I've been recording Yeah, I would hope. The problem is it's like... Well, don't ever be with me if it's possible. So how was your trip over? What was the like working with TSA and you might as well discuss this then I won't have to interrupt. Good. Well let me see. TSA was even better than the last time of course now that I'm a trusted traveler, a trusted citizen of the system

05:59 and this time I was flying on Delta to Atlanta from Austins Bergstrom Airport. And the so again you're going through the trusted traveler TSA pre-check line is better it is actually better than pre 9 11 travel and I looked John As I went through the metal detector and again, left my belt on. And the only thing that I had to put into my bag was my money clip and keys everything else I could keep on which they're always yelling take that off in normal lines. Of course it didn't go off you know what we agreed for me to do right? Yeah check if things turned on. I touched the side but did not go off

06:50 Okay, then it's not turned on. I turned around as i'm waiting for my bags to come through... ...I see three red lights on the right hand side indicating that it's on but no green never went green and there'll be you know at the top is supposed to have numbers that show like Not on! That display was not even on so I don't think it's on!! I think it's probably this is what they've done here's what in my theory is They've decided that they got broken equipment. What are we gonna do with this broken equipment? Hey, put it in the pre-check line! That's a good idea!" But they're also friendly! He's got...they're nice to joking around. What are we gonna do with these...Hey Bill, Jim what are we going to do with these friendly guys?! You guys are you know what you have been trained not to be friendly. What's wrong with you guys? Put those fuckers in the pre check line Exactly so there also their rejects

07:43 Obvious reject. Yeah, they're obvious rejects so they throw them into the pre-check line exactly I'm in agreement with you there But then so my bag goes through and of course now I have the bag it's really stuck It's really stacked with my studio I have them I think I've got maybe more wires than normal and The guy stops it and he's doing the color change You know if you look at my bag What are you doing What are you doing? John. Yeah, what are you doing noise when you do that they push that button it was your plan to make some yeah let's not try making a noise all right try not to get fancy with the Skype connection because I've know it sounded like you were dying had no idea what was going on so yeah well you're gonna be able to do much about it if that happens No fancy sound effects and and they were changed the colors in you were going orange red yeah and I'm looking at him any and he said it's very obvious what he's looking at It's the microphone

08:44 And this is the RotaProcaster and it has some ridges on it, which yeah does have a unique sex toy like appearance. And he's looking at it and I'm waiting...and again this is the friendly crew so I say that's my microphone I'm talking across the whole thing there, right? He's on the other side of the x-ray machine. That's my microphone! What he should have said at that time was, hello mom and people out there will get that joke. Yeah... No you would have expected don't talk to me sir step away but no this is the friendly crew with the broken equipment and he says oh is that what it is okay have a nice day

09:38 I'm telling you, this is better. Do you remember pre 9-11 when you had like those overweight women who were standing around just like they really did not care at all? At least that was the way it was in Newark airport. A bunch of overweight undisinterested women and you just blah, blah next, blah, blah next. So now they don't care then they're not actually interested in protecting anybody They're friendly about it. So I'd say it's a step up and it's better, and once again proves that in America as long as you have money you can live like an American! If you have $140 dollars and time to go do your pre-check interview which is bogus but takes a day then you can go back to being an American and feeling free in your own country so it just takes money thats all if you have no money might as well get out

10:37 This is where I'm hoping you're still in, uh... on the program with me. No? Let's take a look. Yeah! We disconnected. It was gonna be one of those shows There you go Uh let's see what happens if we can get him back Looks like it may have just maybe everything disconnected now that i don't see the chat room working anymore Okay yeah looks like uh oh looks like my entire connection died here well that would make sense wouldn't it okay

11:29 Yo, yo, yo. You there? Yeah! I think it's on my end... What is on your end? The problem. Yeah, I would think so you're the only variable here. Yeah okay good point Strange I know you always like to blame me for these things, but no no. No and I'm not trying to blame you at all I'm just trying to trying to make it work So did you hear the final bit of that or we? Know now You said you said something about them being nice And then you do what use where you finished off was where the microphone because oh yeah that makes sense and then and in That part after that I'd kind of missed it okay

12:14 Well, I was saying that it's actually kind of nice that it proves that if you have money in America you can be a true American. You need $140 to go take this stupid bogative interview which is nothing and then you have to have a day to take off and then it's better than pre 9-11 because you have the same...it's exactly the same as it used to be except these aren't...honestly it was overweight women Disinterested overweight women who've been at Newark airport, who would not give a crap. And he's like, Hey I put your keys in here right next and now you're flying out that you were flying out of Atlanta? I'm giving you my pre nine 11 experiences. Oh okay so pre 911 at Newark airport where I used to fly disinterested overweight women who just be there and now at least you have engaged happy people who are it's who are totally faking it they don't care

13:08 And all you need is... No, they don't. All you need is money! They might care? They do not for a second. They don't care. Well they cared enough to ask you about the microphone they thought was a dildo. Oh yeah no but that's what I'm saying. They're nice unlike the disinterested women pre-911 these are dudes and women and they're all the nice people and they're engaged in there and they're happy and they're smiling it must be I think it's I think you're wrong It's a it's a it's a perk. It's a benefit you know if you've done something good, then you get to go to the rejects In order of being surly

13:51 Thank you. Bill, what am I thinking? Yeah boss what? You're smiling too much! What am i thinking? I'm so silly... yeah give me a break okay So then on the other side and I bump into Eric the constitutional lawyer who's on his way to Boise Idaho for a case and And you know I'm a big fan of Eric and he's the guy that one day is gonna take me to the Supreme Court and I can carry suitcase Hold hold hold on a second You bumped into him by accident? Yes. Okay... He's on a date! This is in Austin, not Atlanta I'm still in Austin okay not in Atlanta. I transferred in Atlanta Okay okay and so we haven't seen each other and yeah we're talking and he says I'm worried So what are you worried about well you know ISIS coming to America and killing us

14:49 I said, no. And this is what I realized. Eric, he listens to a show when he can typically when he's flying actually. He's listened to one or two so he didn't have one ready to go of course But I said Eric, I know you don't listen to the show. I understand you're a busy guy You're a lawyer you're out there for you know fighting for the french fry manufacturer whatever you doing or against the fact I don't know what you're doing but you now listened to show did you see this bogus video of the beheading? No, no, I don't have to see that i'm not interested and and that's when I realized oh

15:27 This is so good. All you need, it's almost like the Benghazi thing... You just need a video that actually... You could have stick figures okay? You could have a whiteboard with stick figures and say this is the beheading video and then get rid of it and then have Twitter say oh we're even LiveLeak oh we're not going to show any more beheading videos And then you just keep referring to it and no one ever goes to look and see, taxi Eric here in... another Eric coincidentally. In Amsterdam he's like oh man because now yes here in Amsterdam we have are you ready for it? The polder jihadis! Oh yeah baby the polders. Yes you know what a polder is yeah

16:15 Like a poldergeist. No, that's polter polder A polder is is a the Netherlands is how 70% reclaimed land when you reclaim the land It's called a polder Okay so now the Isis fighters here who magically are somehow leaving the country and going to join ISIS are called Polder jihadis and it gets better because Foley's guard was one of these polder jihadis. I bet you hadn't heard that news, had ya? I thought he was a Brit. No, no that's the guy who cut his head off. Which sawed it off let's get that straight Abu Obaidah el Maghreba Was the alias of the Dutch Jihadi Who had been- who was running the jail That contained

17:15 Jim Foley and other journalists. It's just localized, John it's just a local story you won't read this anywhere but here and I think it would be reasonable to expect somewhere in some US reporting for someone to say oh yeah we know another guy not only do we have Jihad John from the UK How about we knew the Dutch guy? So again, Eric's one of these guys. Did you see this video? This bogey to Vietnam man I don't want to look at that. What do you think i'm a sicko?" You're right this is great form of propaganda let's play a couple clips here. This is a Department of Defense guy who came on to some thing called the Steamboat Institute

17:59 And he's ex-Bush guy who is not even important enough to be other than a deputy assistant. Department of Defense, the Secretary of Defense or something along those lines and he comes on with all this hairy scary stuff and I just want to play some short clips here. Play DOD Psycho 1 so we know...so you can catch up with what's going on. That there with this ISIS group that's Involved in Iraq and Syria that there are more terrorists in any one place at any one time than we've ever seen before And then includes pre 9-11 Afghanistan, I mean this is frightening stuff. Yeah As you know they've taken a large swath of land That includes as Frank mentioned Iraq and Syria and it established the Muslim State a caliphate led by a Caliph

18:51 And they've left, if you're following the news even before this tragic death of this American journalist. They've left a trail of death destruction and depravity in their wake These guys are so bad that Al-Qaeda has disavowed them. Wait a minute, the audience should have said how bad are they? That would've been good! I know what you're thinking of too... How bad are they?! Now this character was soo... And this by the way is the ongoing meme These guys They're SO BAD that even al Qaeda didn't want them It turns out who would have ever thought let's just put it on our thinking caps doobies

19:35 Who would have ever thought that Al-Qaeda had a conscience? I had no idea. I had no idea that they, somewhere Al-Qaeda woke up and I think this should be a point of discussion I would like to know where at Al-Qaeda headquarters and of course, you know, Al Qaeda clearly they had some meeting. It was a conference call maybe a video conference call maybe it was a Google Hangout and they all said yeah Mohammed is Ahmed here? Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed can you hear me on the Skype? Mohammed? Yes! Mohammed it's Ahmed here I mean wait a minute you're Ahmed I'm Mohammed who am I

20:15 Anyway, I'm Ahmed. I'm Mohammed Muhammad. Yes man the Skype is really sucking today. I don't walk by And screw those guys are taking all our headlines What are we gonna do about it? We have to say we can't be with them and why am i german and now I'm all of a sudden German al-qaeda Well, most of the Germans are Al Qaeda. So let's go on to... We'll go back to this discussion but let's finish with DoD Psycho 2 This is the al-Qaeda that flew planes into buildings in New York City and Washington DC Even those guys can't believe these ISIS... These guys just, I mean it was one thing to fly jets into the World Trade Center you know and but these guys. We're talking about almost 13 years ago that's how bad this group is and it has America in its crosshairs. In his crotch hairs! Reported recently and sorry I couldn't resist people have been talking about for quite some time

21:20 That Isis has been has training camps in Iraq with monkey bars No Syria probably more Syria their headquarters. They're women know didn't they train in the pickup truck where they run and jump in the pickup truck and then each pick a side I've seen it get ready to camp now seeing that capital is in Raqqa as in Syria northern Syria And they have been establishing training camps not only to teach the terrorist dark arts of those who will come and fight the Syrian regime for The terrorist dark arts are you writing this down John because? It's very dark arts rocky the rocky government But also to train foreign fighters to return to their native lands to undertake acts of terror at some point and then just recently I think about a week ago now Who is the audience for this?

22:11 Dorks, a bunch of looks like fretting old women. This is a steamboat incident, fretting old women and a bunch of retired guys VFW maybe some military... Did they pay an entrance fee? Like a cover charge? I think so. They paid to listen to these idiots. And this guy's frightening the public! An unnamed US intelligence official, I believe this article was in The Washington Post at least the one i saw there may have been some others as well said that they believe ISIS is trying to establish cells in Europe. To undertake terrorist attacks and potentially the United States so if you hear what the US government is saying publicly about this, you can imagine there's probably a lot of other stuff they're not talking about because of sensitive intelligence sources and methods

22:56 Can I just slip in a clip? Sensitive intelligence sources and methods. Yeah, don't ask about that. Senator Barrasso of he's a Republican...I'm not sure where he's from must be from the South maybe not I don't know Barrasso do you know where it's from doesn't matter. He has statistics about the Europeans. You see, we have to...you have to understand and it's working over here every bit of headlines and papers I got in the airplane John, I've got The Telegraph, The Telegraph and I got the Volkskrant. It was kind of two ends of the newspaper spectrum one is like you know really populous and full of crap and the other one is really intelligent and full of crap. John Barrasso Republican from Wyoming. Wyoming there you

23:43 And it's filled with them. We have the hate imams here, the hate imams. The hate imam preaches hate And he preaches hate and creates the Polder Jihadis. And the Polder Jihadis hate the Jews, and the haitian moms hate the Jews, and the Jews are all afraid this is quite unique to The Netherlands of course because we have this history and it's very easy to rile people up and say we've got you know the Jews and then... And Bancroft! What? Isn't she the one that was hiding in the thing made? Cultural reference yes

24:23 So, you know we have to... he has percentages of people who support ISIS and of course ISIS is doing pro-ISIS demonstrations here in the Netherlands. And they have to be able to do that because it's their freedom of speech, you see? We can't stop them well. We can have a conversation with them but we can't stop them because it's their freedom of speech this place... And Frank! Yes and Frank. That is our... Not and... Bankrupt. Yes I did. It's very good So everyone is very uptight and you can see the people walking here. They are zombified and they're so afraid of everything that they are just pretending like nothing is wrong, could you know? And I can see it! I can feel it on everything... The papers are filled with this. You have to just... I feel so bad for these people, I really do.

25:23 It should feel bad for the American proletariat. Before you finish your thing, I do want to just throw in the DOD psycho clip 3 which is a shorty which I think summarizes everything that we can continue. Okay...I was uh..I don't have a three. I have a... A psycho kicker! Yeah that doesn't say three You're right. ISIS has said, I mean uh has said they plan to raise al-Qaeda's flag over the White House. I think we have to take them at their word. We've been mistaken on this. Oh yeah well ye of little faith! Raise it over... all right let me play a couple of ISIS scary clips here from the EU perspective. New proof! ISIS has plans to commit terrorism and the plans are global. Global!!

26:08 This is Greta. This is Fox, this your Fox News agency ladies and gentlemen ISIS has plans are global the United States the United Kingdom and France and that's just for starters yeah we want China Russia 12,000 foreign fighters from at least 50 countries all fifty John count them fifty countries fighting for that very barbaric terrorist group very barbaric in Syria the majority of them are for ISIS and the scariest part of all. Scariest, now listen to her cadence like she's talking to romper room. She goes, and this is the scariest part of all. Hold on let me roll it back a little bit more. This is so good. In Syria, the majority of them are for ISIS and the scariest part of all. Did you hear that? Yes I did! I'm frightened now. It's scary. It's the scariest part of all

27:02 terrorist group in Syria. The majority of them are for ISIS and the scariest part of all is right here in America at least 140 of those jihadists are Americans that means they have American passports the State Department released disturbing new numbers just one day after news said an American was killed while fighting for ISIS in Syria Let me go to Barrasso for a second. You gotta hear this guy with his percentages. Where do you find 16% of the population to support ISIS? 16%. 16% of the French support ISIS, not 15%, not 17%, 16%. It's very disturbing, very distressing. I've seen the poll results and they say that some people tends to be younger

27:46 and those who are immigrants from Muslim countries who are living in France. So it's a huge concern, and it shows me that the threat to the United States is even greater especially when you see it was a British citizen... Hold on a second! The logic, this is what I'm going to actually be discussing mostly on the show today besides the dropouts. The logical inconsistencies and the leaps of faith are outrageous! Why would it be greater in a million years than it would be in France where you have a huge kind of displaced Muslim immigrant population?

28:24 Tell me, I'm asking you. Why would it be greater in the United States? It makes no sense whatsoever he is making it up on the spot and the best part these numbers come from the oh so respected Pew polling agency Yes. Everybody is all in on this and I'm going to say up front, yes someone may die somewhere from something but you people are being terrorized by your leaders your elected officials your unelected officials and it is disgusting to see what is happening here and people who are not on top who do not pay attention who did not do one little bit of

29:04 You don't have to do research. If someone says, hey they beheaded this guy there's a video go look at the video you cannot leave this up to chance anymore! You are being duped and terrorized. Duped immigrants from Muslim countries who are living in France. So it's a huge concern and it shows me that the threat to the United States is even greater, especially when you see was a British citizen who beheaded James Foley. That savage act and you know what was called? A message to America when they sent the video now I'm not even gonna dignify that entire paragraph with anything it was that is so is Senator Brasso UK looking at the numbers in Germany is 2% 2% only 2%.

29:49 What? UK 7%, Gaza 13%. It shows that this group, ISIS which we know is bloodthirsty. Bloodthirst- Hey Ahmed! Got some blood?! I'm thirsty! I've got some here, I've got some fresh blood! Let me drink the blood! I need some blood for a moment! Oh yes... We're at ISIS, we are bloodthirsty! They are well armed armed uh... they are dangerous people with deadly weapons and i believe they're coming from america that's what they have said so they have folks from other countries supporting them some of our nato allies people you wouldn't think would be friendly to then which shows that the threat to united states is even greater okay i need to stop this for a second it shows us the thread is even at the end i cannot believe this any holds in the senate people who are only focused idiot out

30:38 Boris Johnson, Mayor of London wrote an op-ed. It's pretty much all you have to do as mayor of London You just eat and drink some ale And write a column from time to time I think the people in London will go for this And it is going to be very funny when they wake up one day and are not allowed to travel Or they're going to a certain country and get arrested I have to read some of this column and then we need to talk about the picture. So he says, let's assume he is indeed who he sounds like another deluded British born jihadi. I'm afraid I've listened on the Telegraph website to the voice of the man who claims to be the killer James Foley and there seems little doubt that he grew up in this country He was probably born in our wonderful national health system

31:33 He was schooled in our broadly excellent education system. He and his family have very likely spent their lives, like the rest of us, cushioned by our welfare state." And he goes on and on but then he says... Oh! Then even he talks about the 72 virgins We are going to have to make up our minds very quickly about this caliphate, and this ugly caliphate business I say. How we will respond to the interruption of a new and hellish country on the map... ...and how we will deal with these Brits who have got off fighting in its name! These ISIL wackos now control an area the size of Great Britain. Considerable oil reserves, a population of about 6 million some industry and some military capability said to be second in the region only to Israel

32:16 I tell you! What? So here's, yeah oh yeah this is the... What airplanes do they have?! You ask the question. They don't have to actually answer them because otherwise it would slow down too much He has some ideas here as to what to do We need to be far more effective in preventing British and other foreigners from getting out there And he says in parentheses, I'm interested to see how many Belgians are there. Whatever that non sequitur is and the Turks need to shut that border! We need to make it crystal clear that you will be arrested if you go out to Syria or Iraq without good reason! I'm going to reread that for you without the silly accent The mayor of London says we need to make it crystal clear That you will be arrested If you go out to Syria or Iraq without good reason

33:08 Pre-crime. Yes sir, at present the police are finding it very difficult to stop people from simply flying out via Germany crossing the border doing their ghastly jihadi tourism... they're doing their ghastly jihadi tourism... Why don't they put a stop to these tourist operations that are setting up these tours? And coming back! The police... Jihadi Tourism includes a boat ride! Includes pickup ride! What's he talking about boat rides?! Get it right at the pick up! Include meal ready to eat. This is one shot from Uzi Does anyone read this and not say to themselves, Is he insane?

33:52 The police can and do interview the returnees, but it's hard to press charges without evidence. Yes! This is what we have in a state of law and order Mr Boris Johnson. The law needs a swift and minor change... I will repeat that. The law needs a swift and minor change so there is a rebuttable presumption that all those visiting war areas without notifying the authorities have done so for a terrorist purpose. Write that down, rebuttable presumption this is pre-crime and you laugh at it now because its only for Syria and Iraq but they'll add to it why not add Germany? Add Germany to it! You go to Germany without a rebuttable presumption or with a rebuttable presumption you go to Germany without notifying the authorities that your going there

34:45 Then you were there as a terrorist. Now, John go to this webpage I want you take a look at the picture that he has posted This is the mayor of London It is itm.im Ready? Yeah, I was looking up this Barasso asshole Sorry about this URL Itm.i m slash... Itm dot im slash W21WY Okay, and then you got the bit you got the page. No I am waiting for more letters in that's it hit return yeah, okay? Now this is all in place now. This is from the ISIL Promotional video now. I want to take a look at this look at they're wearing

35:47 I'm not talking white, i'm talking so white these gym shoes they're wearing. Yes they're wearing brand new nikes in the desert and yes by the way they're all where no one is wearing combat boots Not a single one...I've been to the desert on a horse with no name! I've been to Iraq and I had boots This is the same set they're putting that Mars rover on, man. This is bullcrap! Now look at these machine guns they have in the air with a tripod sticking out... this is not how anyone who's been schooled at all and any type of warfare carries their machine gun These are actors- this is bull crap! This is complete bull crap

36:31 Well, you saw the thing I put in the newsletter. Yeah oh yeah they explained everybody. If you didn't get a newsletter or missed out on these photos which were taken from RT's video that RT had where they had a bunch of these jokers standing on the corner with their flags and banners and then there was just all B-roll and then they all got down on their hands and knees to pray to Allah But the joke of it was, because this is apparently done by someone who doesn't even know anything. I mean even I spotted this they're praying in every which direction They're not all pointing toward Mecca Which is the way you pray to Allah you always point in the same direction There's iPhone apps that show you which direction to pray You just don't drop down and pray any old which ways also that thing called what is oh yeah? The Sun

37:16 It's a pretty good indication. Use that but the iPhone app is what they use anyway. But just look at this, this is and where are the tens of thousands? This is 15 guys And it's all brand spanking new. They're wearing the, you know... This is central casting people! You can laugh at me you can call me an a-hole, you can shun me, you could never listen to this program I am telling you this is fake! This picture posted by The Telegraph with the column of the Mayor of London is fake

37:53 And these, and these... look at these trucks. These Toyota trucks they got behind them. Not a not no mud, no dust. No hold on John! No mud, no dust I mean you cannot walk for 10 minutes in Iraq in this desert where they are Without it. It's dusty does anybody but me See product placement going on here with this Toyota bullcrap no of course in The videos that the RT was showing the truck was backed up so the logo who is clearly visible Of course nothing like a toyota in the desert part about jihadi tourism package, this is

38:36 Actually, we got a pretty good email about the beheading video. Hold on a second I want to read that... A couple of issues Yes this is from itoast. Good morning Adam John was listening episode 646 noticed an error as you quoted at approximately 2 hours and 16 minutes in 19 seconds Thanks for the approximation They're not all wearing baklava's As a correction they were likely intending to say balaclava Yeah yes i was making a joke but it's okay For those who have been deployed... Oh, are you back? 13 minutes. Was it really right on the money? Well this is a little 14 closer to 14 okay but I'm telling you there's this is something they're doing yeah they're just basically cutting off the connection It's okay fine We have an email Yes Right Okay

39:29 This is about episode 646. Notice an error as you quoted approximately 2, 16, 19... They're not all wearing baklavas and yes it was a joke of course balaclavas. Baklava with flies and bees! Balaklavas for those who have been deployed to the Middle East they will also recognize this as a shemag or a kafiyah, which is a versatile and culturally significant headdress. There are specific ways a shamag can be worn most often it is tied as the following clip will show there's a clip in the video you don't have to look at if you go to the show notes you can check it out interestingly enough

40:12 that Jihadi John, the British guy with the balaclava on appears to have tied it in the British SAS fashion and not in ISIS. Very good catch! Now can I mention one other thing while you've got this picture of the Boris Johnson's group? You've been in this area of the world... In 2004 when there was a war yes And we're right in the middle of summer which would be very hot in that area and by very hot I mean 140 let's take a look at these guys all black. Let's take a look at the current Temperature as you know they're all black and these conditions with it with a big furry thing over their head This is bullcrap this video is from Iraq's Nivea province, so let me see what the current temperature is current temperature

41:12 Neveje province, let's see what we get. The high and the low is just a yule log. John it's only 42 degrees centigrade! Which is? Well that's 108. Yeah it's 108 and they're wearing all black yeah yeah make sense this is... They're wearing all black with a black mask This is completely bogative and you are being com- You're just being ripped off everyone's being ripped off Let's listen to more of this Barroso guy Keep saying burro so braso. He's just it's what this is a United States senator would not to be flip I mean the idea me Al-Qaeda threw Isis out this spring because they were too violent I mean do you know how bad you have to meet a boss? I think you're too violent and too awful not

42:00 No, why don't you look into that and let me know and tell me when how this meeting went did they who made this up? Where is the press release from al-qaeda saying these guys are so bad. Oh no We can't have them look at them They want to wear black in a hundred and eight degree weather with with beautifully pristine white Nikes We can't have that, these guys are bad. And they control a huge area almost from- Lots of money! Lots of oil. They've taken that and they have weapons as well, they have manpower... They've got Toyotas, just pristine white Nikes All those things that control an area larger than the state of Indiana and want to continue to grow I think it's incumbent now on the president That is such great reference does anyone except people in Indiana know how big that is?

42:48 Well, if you notice Boris Johnson said it's the size of Great Britain so everyone uses local references. But this guy is from Wyoming! Well, they're going to get to the size of Wyoming eventually. Right now it's Indiana. It's an area larger than the state of Indiana and want to continue to grow... Can we just take a look at the size of the state of Indiana? Maybe it's a way of disparaging Indiana Possibly. Indiana and Great Britain. Can we overlay those two? Let me just see. Can we compare MapFight that's what I want you go to MapFight Alright, MapFight. I think you can... MapFight? Yeah. MapFight goes off and it gives you the sizes? Yeah yeah yeah. I never did this. Yes so we can do Great Britain let me see if i can find or UK maybe they'll just have UK. I think its only countries ah that's a bummer no no it is oh no you can do it okay So United Kingdom where's uh.. It's mapfight dot appspot dot com This will be worth it I think Not in map fight dot apps spot yes

43:51 Hmm. Okay, this would be worth it okay so Indiana can I find India yes? I have Indiana and now I need to oh they won't have isolin there no we need Great Britain great Britain where's a great Britain don't have great Britain I see you got the cast here We go here we go and we're comparing This is gonna be very good this isn't going to be into Oh please not even close These guys are making it up. Yeah, Indiana is a third of Great Britain yeah, but yeah he said here in Vienna is 0.39 times as big as the United Kingdom well I'm sorry about that. I believe by the way and I believe the Indianaans I Believe the India and between Deanna analogy is closer because I agree Britain's is lot of land there It is actually pretty big Let's say it's not

44:52 Let's move on. Texas is bigger. Let's move on. It wasn't all that great. Hold on a second, I gotta check Texas first. Yeah you check Texas. Bro and i think it incumbent now in the President of the United States as Commander-in-Chief to show leadership, to come forward and express to the American people articulate the threat that we as Americans face and what he's going to do in a comprehensive way to deal with this direct threat that we face. Okay, so you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee I know Senator McCain He is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee! He is not just some schmuck. McCain said that this should be debated at Capitol Hill. He's a Democrat So has the Senate Foreign Relations Committee had any sort of contact with the President or even begin discussing this at all?

45:33 Is he just speaking with his military leadership? I think the president is speaking with his military leadership, has not come to Congress at all. I don't think you oughta let Congress off the hook. Congress oughta be able to and have to stand up because this is a way that we interface with voters at home but the President needs- All right, I'm tired of him so he's just a complete A-hole Let's listen to another senator okay why not? Which one? How about Senator Bob Corker Oh Corker Where's he from It doesn't matter. More than a year and just yesterday you called Isis a demonic group of people that needs to be dealt with But you don't think US troops will be sent in so this by the way for the rest of the world Tennessee, Tennessee For the rest of the world Americans. I don't even know this This is how you sell death and destruction To the American people this is another Republican. I might yes oh yeah

46:35 This is how we do it. We go on television and we tell people first, some bull crap thing happens that, you know people die every single day and all kinds of horror. And Saudi Arabia has decapitated beheaded I'm sorry 20 people in the past month alone doesn't matter and then we said we use this we hype it up we make it crazy we make up all these statistics make things up and then we say we've got to go in we gotta go take care of business with a steely cold hard look We gotta go kill some people are they brown do they live in the sand?

47:11 Let me start here. What should Congress's role be and what do you want Congress' role to be in this decision by the president? Well, Chuck we should certainly authorize this. I know the president has been sending over through the War Powers Act notifications Very interesting so he is saying we should certainly authorized this but there's a little gotcha here These guys Senate and Congress they want to power because Hook up our buddies. We need this is money Cash money we got we gotta we gotta get the whole military industrial complex rolling it doesn't get any better. We're now going to create funds For the military-industrial complex, which is just a word but its Lockheed It's Raytheon it's that people who make the weaponry and we're going to give this To other brown people who are gonna go kill other brown people? This is perfect

48:12 Not a single white or black American soldier has to die and we still make all the money and we look like heroes because of me stop the horrible guys who Al Qaeda kicked out. If you don't see the scam before your eyes, this is not clear relative to specific excursions it's been interesting to watch and what that does Chuck is he gives them 60 days of activity without coming back to Congress but this was gonna have to be something far more coordinated it's gonna obviously need to take place in Iraq and in Syria. Oh, in Iraq and Syria? It's not just in Syria we gotta go do in Iraq and Syria two places obviously Chuck!

48:51 They have not yet shared with us what their plans are. I've checked in several times over the last several days and unusually, uh...I haven't heard back One of the things they could try to do Chuck is to use the 2001 AUMF Relative Authorized Use Of Military Force To Afghanistan It's a 60 word authorization How good is- how great is America? With sixty words we can come and kill you! Hello, 60 words. It's very broad. I hope that is not what they will do. I hope what they will instead do is come to Congress and ask for a new authorization for a new threat that has evolved over time. We asked if ISIL even comes under the mandate that they were given and- See with the lawyers are now coming out of this. They're all lawyers. Hey we don't think ... You need a new mandate? You need some ... you need to come us son! They wouldn't answer the question so again

49:47 Look, for the American people's sake. Congress should weigh in. Congress should be a part of this. Congress should own whatever we're doing military so... That's all you need to know! Congress should own this. We should be owning this money that is going out there Let's bring in our old friend A-hole extraordinaire Lindsey Graham trying to kind of zoom in on what is the immediate threat to the homeland because there are a number people saying it's not really an immediate threat has to be dealt with. It's a threat to the region but its not an immediate threat. Candy Crawley, do you like life? Are you not medically and mentally all together with this question? To the US

50:36 Well, I would argue that the intel that we've been provided in Congress is that there are hundreds of American citizens holding U.S. passports they're European citizens going to the fight that can penetrate America by having European U.S. passports. Just let's just review for a second first he is now um... Going against them with the Pentagon says and he is saying we in Congress have better intelligence than the Pentagon Okay, a lot of jihadists that flock to the area they flocked because you know Jihadi's flock They've expressed the will to hit the homeland. That's part of their agendas to drive us out of the Mideast That's that they have expressed the will to hit the homeland did they had the capability at the home line?

51:24 Home run, home what? Something like that. I don't care. What capability? Homeland, I would say yes. Yes! It's about time now to assume the worst about these guys. John it is about time you assumed the worst about these guys. I tell ya it's the worst. Hello where's... I do declare, i think it's time for us to assume the worst about these jihadis. They have their tourism they're over there they've got all the capabilities I think they will be hitting the homeland anytime soon would you disagree with me miss Crowley? Would you like to take that? Do you think that you'd be the one to have that on your conscience? Rather than underestimating them...they're not the JV team anymore! They are most prominent terrorist organization in the world! I repeat, do you want this on your conscience?! Wait wait hold on a second

52:09 Yeah, he said he's taking what he's doing a basketball reference or footballers. He's saying they're not the JV team junior varsity That's what the president said that's why he's bringing that up, but did he say JD? I hope not Let me listen one more time not the JV team and I think you're saying the JD team is no it can't be okay It can't be. It says it's muddy, alright. Let's listen again. First about these guys rather than underestimating them they're not the JV team anymore Sounds like J- I don't know i'm on the fence. It's V, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt Or they're most prominent terrorist organization in the world but their not the only one They are competition with other jihadist groups and the gold medal will be awarded to the group Wait a minute! What? Wait a minute! It is the Jihadi Olympics all of sudden

52:59 Hold on a second. I got the door just opened up gold metal Yeah, that you can't get out of these whoops 13 minutes getting there we're gonna crap out in a minute Gold Jay, okay. Gee hot is gold metal You can't get away from these yeah We're gonna start playing these boneheads you got to play I got the Mike Rogers clip I have my Rodgers to he's got a little me wait Let me finish this let me finish that this thing all right still going on He has another 20 seconds and then the big payoff is coming oh Okay, I'm listening. I'm telling you need to listen to my friend Lindsey Graham. The gold medal will be awarded for the group that can hit America They're fighting for status with Al-Qaeda, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula All of these guys are bidding for future recruits and status And the gold medal goes to the one who can hit us here at home To those who underestimate this threat You do so in America's peril

54:00 That's right. You deuce if you underestimate them, you do so at America's peril! Ya fools. Um... Which Rod- Do you have the I have a Rogers clip too but we'll play yours Oh yeah Yeah We have the same one Let me see yours is 39 seconds Perfect Here it comes. Sunday on NBC, the British ambassador to the US Peter Westmacott said investigators are close to identifying the British-accented militant in the video. He also acknowledged that some 500 Britons have joined the Islamic State. The chair of the House Intelligence Committee Republican Mike Rogers warned that Westerners in the group pose a mortal threat and one of the problems is it's gone unabated for

54:45 nearly two years and that draws people from Britain to across Europe even the United States to go and join the fight. They are one plane ticket away from US shores, and that's why we're so concerned about it Take it away. All right, all right? Yes this is terrorism okay what these people are doing now of course we are pretty sure I have a clip for you that you're gonna love We are pretty convinced that this is a bogus operation. It is Whoever came up with this it's pretty good you have all right all of them I'm sorry, you're right. It is great if all these things can't believe we're complimenting people on this You have to give credit where credit is due This our children

55:38 Maybe our children's children will learn that this was great. This was a huge scam Great, and it's so well executed This is like the crystal not you know all this stuff is these All these great scams and we have these actors and this has clearly run It's a CIA SAS there's all kinds of intelligence running around and then The PR almost writes itself. You just have some kooky video, which could've been made years ago and then you show it and everyone just says oh its horrible and half of the people on television haven't even seen this video they're all just repeating themselves its one big echo chamber cluster F And then we have NPR. NPR our national treasure here in the United States This is the highbrow intelligentsia elite radio network

56:31 And imagine someone calling in to a, and this is from NPR's On Point. I'll just play it. Mohammed is calling. Hi Mohammed you're on the air Hey, Tom. How you doing? I'm okay. This is like a proxy war Why do you think Saudi Arabia, Qatar all those United States government interviewed before them because they're creative Okay let me set this up it's hard to understand you have to get into his cadence Mohammed is calling into NPR, Mohammed. And he's saying this is a proxy war, this is bullcrap, this has created the Qataris, the Saudis, the CIA... This is bullcrap! He is now rolling out and this is Mohammed and he's rolling out clear no agenda

57:22 Analysis are you still there John? Oh, yeah. Okay good. We got another 11 12 minutes. Okay good Wait a minute the Isis headquarters is three blocks from Muhammad's house in Syria in Raqqa Syria your houses three blocks from Isis headquarters So what does what have you learned? What have you learned? Did you go did you bring him some cookies what I'm going to say by the way Well, yeah You tell me what your analysis of this call and I'm gonna shut up and play it right there three blocks from my house in Syria In Raqqa Syria your houses three blocks from ISIS headquarters. So what does what have you learned? Okay

58:11 We need to extract him, we need to do something because he's absolutely ignored it. So for this whole time they're supporting ISIS! The CIA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar Israel... They're all behind ISIS! Now you hear what is happening here? Someone somewhere is either freaking out or maybe something else is happening. But he just implicated Saudi Arabia, Qatar the Israelis America ever there they've created ISIS this is he's saying this is bogus. To create a proxy war to get Iran to stabilize Iraq and Syria And then now it comes back and bites them in the butt! It was like oh my god what happened? What did we do that's what they did They created a monster So what about now Mohammed? What do you recommend

58:52 This is your American policy now, what do you recommend Mohammed? We need to take them out. We need to attack them in every area I know all the locations where they are James Foley I told him where he was The whole area should have been taken out but the US government refused to do anything until the end because coming back here to the surface like oh my god They're behind something all the funnels of their equipment and their machines I believe this guy is speaking the absolute truth. Everything's being shuttled right down from Turkey, that's the supply route they're getting millions of dollars. We know what headquarters are we already know it was a court or whatever. Three doors down from Mohammed, are you kidding me? Baghdadi hanging out there.

59:44 to all the bosses but no. Hey, Mohammed there! Mohammed in Omaha. I appreciate your call. Mohammed whose home house is three blocks he says from ISIS headquarters in Raqqa and Syria where al-Baghdadi and others were let me go to Dubai again Ali Qadiri What about this idea that the CIA and Saudis another supported Isis against Iran? Against Syria they created this monster Does that sound credible to you and can we now turn that around

1:00:29 Respectfully, I think Mohammed's been watching too many Hollywood movies. Yes There you go legally speaking and operationally speaking there you go justice credit I'm surprised they didn't say conspiracy theorists that's a missed out on that one Yeah So this is what you do? You just throw it on NPR and then oh some kook hot Honey, can you I was a cook honey? I was driving home and I can't believe that there were some cooks cover like I'm a hama It was it calling from Omaha but he had is like oh like I'm the three doors down from Baghdadi. It's like here believe this cookie nuts They're beheading people and they have these did these cooks are calling in must-be Republicans I do want to remind everybody that Ben Rhodes who is the White House's

1:01:17 I think he's the deputy security national security advisor. Now these are the guys that know, right? Ben Rhodes and he's moving up. He's the big man on campus, Ben Rhodes is. He's moving up people are talking about him. He's moving up to a spot in somewhere now they analyze his video which we here at KnowAgenda did and which interestingly enough pretty much all UK based news organizations are now saying well this video was fake but they cut his head off after the video This is the brilliant analysis after it was so obvious that even the British intelligence or the SAS guys, or the Blair Witch Project people who ever made this video. This bogus video where you don't see blood, you don't see anything being cut off... It's so obvious it's fake that now they're just saying well yeah that was a propaganda video but they did actually cut his head off later and no questioning says okay whatever. Can you imagine the meeting for this one?

1:02:19 No, this is the last time we let British intelligence take care of this crap. That's what we're doing It was like who did you subcontract to yeah for this video? You idiots We want we didn't get we had a budget Yeah Where did the budget go after an actual beheading it had one guy standing there one of our local actors Yeah against a green screen with a sharpie Exactly So here's Ben Rose, the American intelligence. Okay? This is the guy who reports directly to the president he is a conduit between the intelligence community and The White House

1:02:58 about the validity of this video. in such a horrific way. That represents a terrorist attack, that represents a terrorist attack against our country and against an American citizen. And I think all of us have the Foley family in our thoughts The fact of the matter is that we've actually seen ISIL seek to advance too close to our facilities, certainly for our own comfort. And so the President's decision to take military action a number weeks ago was out of direct concern that if they were able to get into Erbil that they could pose a threat to our personnel and our consulate there. So we have seen them

1:03:55 posing a threat to our interests in the region, to our personnel and facilities in the region. And clearly, uh...the brutal execution of Jim Foley represented an affront, an attack not just on him but he's an American and we see that as an attack on our country when one of our own is killed like that So he, of course he's not going to be ashamed himself but he should be for just lying. Just blatantly lying that... He is saying that this video is clearly a brutal attack it's a terrorist attack against America. He is validating this high school, no even junior high school level media social sciences project

1:04:45 It is insulting to media professionals. You look at what's being done, like I watched the Video Music Awards and I saw the Beyonce, 15 Minutes of Beyonce which was some of the best performance I've ever seen in a combination of singing talent, dancing talent, video talent... Get those guys! Get anybody but whoever did this and for The White House to stand there and to justify this is true. We thought it was funny with the stupid Benghazi video, with the Muslim... I mean that wasn't even a movie! That was like a movie we watched that we played some of the soundtrack. Yeah no it was ridiculous.

1:05:32 Flabbergasting. So I was watching the NewsHour and it was, I don't know if it's the same show that had Rogers on it but this was a guy Peter Mansur who is a professor now at Ohio State University and he came on to NewsHour and gave us the same litany of bullcrap which makes you wonder that Ohio State which has always considered as third-rate academic school proven by listening to this phony. He was, he apparently worked for Petraeus and you could be his highest achievement was lieutenant colonel and even though he's in the army for 20 or 30 years And then they followed it up by a professor from Harvard which is again at school that is good. It's a Harvard guy just

1:06:14 The Harvard guy debunks all this and I think, I guarantee this Harvard guy's never going to be on again. So let's start with Peter Mansour. He's now an associate professor of military history at The Ohio State University. And Stephen Walt is a professor of international relations at Harvard University, he has written extensively about security policy issues. Peter Mansour let me start with you how do you define the threat and how urgent is the need to act?

1:06:49 ISIS is a group that's well funded, well armed and has thousands of fighters under its ranks and more joining it every day. It's a threat to the region, it can destabilize the Middle East from which we get most of our oil in terms of the global economy and it can inject terrorism into Europe and the United States given that it has hundreds of fighters in its ranks who hold Western passports. So this is a group that... He forgot going for gold in the Jihadi Olympics, he had every single point right except for that one! Well I think it was ad libbed but I don't think thats on the talking points checklist. Oh ok well alright good work give that man his paycheck

1:07:32 Yeah, we'll send it. Do you give us your W-9? Okay perfect! You're good to go thank you thank you now the professor from Harvard Stephen Walt, how do you respond to that? How do you define the threat first. I think there's no question ISIS is a bunch of very bad guys but it's primarily a threat to the people in the areas they control and not a direct threat to the United States It's a predominantly Sunni group which will not be able to expand into non-Sunni areas potential terrorist threat there I think has been greatly exaggerated. There are lots of groups around the world who would like to be able to go after the United States, most of them fail and in fact a way to deal with it is primarily with intelligence and counter-terrorism here at home. What? That's not good! I need to say here that we're called in Holland we call it Mierenko

1:08:31 We're ant-fucking away here at these little details. It matters not about Foley or... it matters not! This is about a big game and the big game is to verbalize And all we need now is the approval. Something has to happen to tip the scales for some reason, and maybe President Obama is a good guy in this case. Maybe he's actually trying to slow everything down. I know doubtful. He's trying to slow everything down but Congress clearly wants... The purse strings belong with them

1:09:08 I think we should, we could do a real... It would be funny if they did a real declaration of war against the Islamic State because let's face it. They have a state you know? But it's not just a crazy jihadi thing anymore. Al-Qaeda, you know just an ideology now it's a real state so they theoretically they could do something. What? Declare war against the Islamic State! Declare declare an actual war I think i'm put that in the red book for you. Islamic State, it's a state! It says state? Islamic State. How hard would be to wipe them out overnight? I don't think it would be that difficult. I want to close this segment with something unless if you have something else you want to talk about Well I just wanted drop one last thing in which is we had the

1:10:07 that DOD psycho, that's what I call him. And we couldn't get through this whole steamboat incident without bringing in some Iranian threat as part of scarum tactics and i thought that this was the real eye roller as far as im concerned which is the DOD psycho in Iranian hit it. Of this material It also has time to perfect delivery vehicles. In fact, US government publicly has not moved off the fact that they said a few years ago that Iran will have an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching United States by 2015 That's next year They already can put a satellite into space! They've been working on this for awhile and in fact they probably... And that's more than our buddy there can do Elon Musk Probably been helping them the North Koreans to do as well because they followed Iran in their capability

1:11:05 and all of you are probably too young to remember because you've probably read it in e-books or something like that Sputnik 1957. And when the Soviets put that little satellite into space, I mean we were really really unhappy about that was a public relations disaster for the West for the United States at the Soviets had bested us scientifically and technically but in the bowels of the Pentagon Dr. Strangelove's there were really concerned Because they knew that if you can put a satellite into space of a significant payload or significant payload into space and to orbit You could put a warhead anywhere on the Earth's surface Right, and then what did we do? We made a video. A phony baloney movie about landing on the moon Besides that... Why are you going into that direction but my commentary about this is I'm going to ask you this question Okay Alright

1:12:04 Let's say Iran has an ICBM that can strike us from a distance. And they send a nuke, they shoot a nuke off and oh the ICBM comes in it blows up I don't know whatever it hits probably middle of nowhere Virginia what would that accomplish do you think? Would we be scared and say, oh my god whatever you guys want? We would blow the entire country to smithereens. We have thousands and thousands of missiles and bombs why would you send a single lone missile floating over here-we'd probably be able to blow it out of the sky anyway Why would you do that what sense does it make

1:12:51 Well, you're asking me these questions like I'm some kind of moron citizen who doesn't know that this is ridiculous. So i can't answer it because it makes no sense! It makes as much sense as Vladimir Putin deciding to blow an airplane full of Dutch people and AIDS researchers out of the sky. What sense does that make? None of it makes sense! You are being terrorized people... Terrorized terrorize. We are here, hashtag America near our hashtag target soon. Hashtag yeah I got that's actually the clip of the month well you told me and you said you gotta ISO that and i listened to you and that's exactly what I hear hashtag America near our hashtag target soon this shows you the idiocy of what's going on around us that particular clip to me does hashtag America

1:13:47 Now there's something that we missed but our producers caught on the previous program. And this is really, this is just so incredibly good. Now one of the things we did in the previous episode is we looked at this global post that the incredibly great patriotic journalist Jim Foley worked for And it turns out this is a total bullcrap outfit. And it is an outgrowth of a foundation, which actually...it's not a foundation I went back and found their website according to what I could find from archive.org really didn't change until around the 13th of July sorry July 9 2014

1:14:47 And before that, they had one page up. So if you go to archive.org and you go to the Ground Truth Project Foundation... But here is the mission statement on the homepage and let me give you the URL for it today. So again, close to 13-14 minute mark just mentioned. The ground truth project dot org if you take a look at that today You'll see that's don't get lost in it John because I want to take you there but let's just take a look at before July 9th 2014, here's what they said on their homepage. It was just a home page with nothing else and it contact us here So this really only started a couple months ago Ground Truth is a foundation supported initiative so that doesn't mean they're non-profit They are a foundation supported initiative dedicated to training the next generation of foreign correspondents in the digital age

1:15:50 It is focused on the issues of social justice, including human rights freedom of expression emerging democracies the environment religious affairs and global health. Led by Global Post co-founder and editor at large Charles M Sennett s e n o t t so it's the same people who run Global Post Ground Truth seeks to foster dialogue and engagement about these issues with the aim of finding solutions as well as exposing injustice Ground Truth also seeks to build the capacity for freedom of expression in developing countries around the world by helping to train a new generation of correspondents who can work together across different media platforms and cultural backgrounds.

1:16:35 Ground Truth is currently developing fellowships, workshops and seminars led by Gary Knight co-founder of these V11 the 7 photo agency and director of Tufts University's program for narrative and documentary practice. That's a figurehead bullcrap guy This spirit of country to country people two people partnership is the core of Ground Truth In other words, this is what they had up there as they were fundraising for the foundation supported initiative. Now go to the ground truth project dot org John Yeah I'm on the site now Okay and go to about us okay all right and here you see

1:17:25 Which one? Our team, education partners or media partners. If you just click on About Us itself... don't go down to the drop-down just about us and here you say Ground Truth is a registered nonprofit headquartered in Boston Massachusetts They're so new they have not ever filed a form 990 So we have no information I can't... The IRS does not confirm nor deny And now on this About Us, go to funders. We did this last time I believe. Funders which is the About Us drop down? Yeah! Okay then here we have... This is where the money comes from The Galloway Family Foundation The Ford Foundation The Bake Family Trust The Henry Luce Foundation Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting and then the Kaiser Family Foundation but now under about us Go To Media Partners. This is very interesting

1:18:27 I want to mention something here while you're doing that because i've been looking at this. Because at the bottom of the home page, The Bake Family Trust is the one that's held up as a highest and if you go to the internet to find anything out about The Bake Family Trust it just links back to this Truth Project there's nothing about these people. I have not delved into the branch of looking all them I'm just presuming That's where the money comes from. You go to media partners, now this is how this operation works so Ground Truth Project led by these guys and I'll talk about these two guys in a moment who also co-founded Global Post they take this money from these foundations and then they make stories and they post it on Global Post which is right there at the top PRI so they make radio packages for Public Radio International

1:19:24 WGBH, which is a...it is...WGBH creates so much NPR content. They're the number one producer for public broadcasting. There's the V11 photo agency PBS Frontline, PBS News Hour they create video packages for public television Riot News this is a As it says here, the first breaking news site to connect every story with a related action. Founded in 2000... you gotta click on this. Founded in 2012 by Bruce. I'm looking at it and don't understand what this even means. There's our 13 minutes. Well if you go to Riot News

1:20:09 which is R-Y-O-T.org. I'm looking at it now. Qatar's building a brand spanking new city for the 2022 World Cup, but go to about... This looks like a Qatari operation. Can you go to Aboot and then look at the team? Our team this team and they're all like joke photos. They're all like hipsters so here's Bryn Moser, the cofounder of And he's, oh of course. He is a country director for Artists For Peace and Justice. Britain helped build APJ secondary school in Port-au-Prince Haiti and they all help Haiti so much assholes! David Darg one of Esquire magazine 2012 Americans Of The Year. He spent the last decade as a first responder

1:21:04 and frontline contributor for Reuters, BBC, CNN covering some of the world's largest natural disasters and wars. As vice president of Operation Blessing International he has traveled over 100 countries. Now go down Molly Swenson she is the COO She lived in Cambridge Buenos Aires New York Washington DC before moving to Los Angeles and graduating from Harvard! She worked in the fashion industry And Zachary, who was the head of web design. He's hanging out in his yacht and then we have Alexander Govare who was the editor-in-chief like a selfie photo and then... Web designer hang out on his yacht? Yeah! Look at look at the people down below they all got glasses on it these are joke photos John this is not this isn't a serious news organization. These are joke photos. Joke photos okay fine

1:21:57 So here's the way I think it goes, and let's just talk for a moment about these two guys. We have the Global Post co-founder...and then we talked about last time this is Charles M Sonnett founder and executive director of the Ground Truth Project he served as The Boston Globe Middle East Bureau chief based in Jerusalem from 97 to 2001 Now, the writer Peter Theo Curtis...nay isn't his name Nando or something? He had an alias. Where'd you get his? I don't see his thing! Where did you find this? Oh no, this is my...I'm reading now from my notes from the show notes. This is not on this website. I'm telling you about The Ground Truth Project Foundation's co-founder Charles M Sonnett one of the two guys behind all of this bullcrap

1:22:50 So we had Jim. Jim Foley had his head not cut off in a not gruesome video with no blood and he worked for Global Post Then, we have a guy released...a journalist but he's not really a journalist He is Peter Theo Curtis that is his real name but he has a stage name this guy, this writer who was released. And who did he work for? Oh gee! He worked for the Ground Truth Foundation. How annoying is that?! That he gets released and this Peter Curtis

1:23:29 It sounds like they took him out of rehab. Like the guy, he looks like he's a homeless guy they picked up and said read this! First I want to thank you all for coming out here on this beautiful Wednesday morning That's great come out hey in this beautiful Wednesday morning i was captured by al-Nusra jihadis for two years and thanks for coming out on this beautiful morning everybody how are you doing good to see ya In the days following my release on Sunday, I have learned bit by bit that there have been literally hundreds of people brave determined and big-hearted people all over the world working for my release. They've been working for two years on this

1:24:10 I had no idea when i was in prison. I had no idea that so much effort was being expended on my behalf." Notice he's not saying, they were gonna kill me, they're going to cut my head off...I was worried it was harrowing and scary we knew that my good buddy Jim has just been killed He jumped into the front of line said that's the kind a guy he was go ahead kill me You know, they were working on ransom. I thought it would never see my family again? No." And now having found out i am just overwhelmed with emotion. I'm also overwhelmed by one other thing and that is that total strangers have been coming up to me and saying hey we're just glad you're home welcome home glad you back glad you're safe great to see you so i suddenly remember how good the american people are

1:24:57 What kindness they have in their hearts and to all those people I say a huge thank you from my heart From the bottom of my heart right from my heart. I mean the bottom of my heart. I really misread it so they books They pulled this guy out of somewhere He's not a journalist. He was kind of like a method actor of writers writing books by pretending he was a jihadist, believe it or not and he just happens to be working closely with the Global Truth Foundation very annoying According to this article, he gave a huge thank you but did not want to answer questions. Of course... He needed to bond with his mother and family. I will respond but I can't do it now." He hasn't had the briefing yet. I know we're cynical people but I can't look at it any other way so... We are very cynical people for a reason Well and I'm going to get to this reason So then we have back to this Charles M Senat one of the co-founders

1:26:00 And by the way, this Peter Theo Curtis he was not being held captive by ISIS. He was being held captive in northern Syria and somehow we were transported through all of Syria through multiple warring factions and handed over at the southern Golan Heights border to Israel. Fascinating how that works anyway! Senate was also the Boston Globe's bureau chief based in London from 2001 to 2005. Here are some interesting coincidences, he left Jerusalem in 2001... 2001 we get 9-11 He leaves London on 2005, London bus bombings of 2005 Headed the European branch, he follows events around Madrid bombing in 2004 Global Post announces launch of Ground Truth Project in Boston 2013 We get Boston bombings

1:26:48 He's a very lucky guy wherever he leaves terror follows. It's just that's a very interesting coincidence It's just one of those things it's a coincidence You think it's a coincidence? No, I was queuing the sound effect But I think not and that's the thing I can't do so easily because of the whole crap here anyway Yes like get now ground truth project I believe is is part of the propaganda machine that really has created ISIS. Of course, ISIS does exist but we need to have information and packages being created and I think it's these guys and they've got a bunch of stringers... It's funny, we have lots of video and pictures of Jim Foley being a journalist

1:27:36 I haven't seen a lot of his award-winning work. If you go to, try and find video report done by Jim Foley there's not a lot of reporting we have pictures of him looking like a reporter holding a camera with the flak jacket Have you found any of his work John? No i never found anything Exactly And then this is what people alerted us too Michael Hayden principal partner at the Chertoff Group talking about what needs to happen with ISIS and how we're running this show in this interview. And if you listen carefully...

1:28:14 He gives it all away. I think the point now is we need to flood the zone using our technical means of imagery, communications intercepts even human penetrations as dangerous as that might be and relying cooperating with our friends in the region The Jordanians, The Turks and the Kurds To get ground truth that enables us to conduct targeted operations with a kind of exquisite intelligence That really requires Now, I've thought about this many ways. If he had said ground troops the sentence would have made no sense. He means ground truth! He means we need to get ground truth to create more packages and propaganda in order for us to go bomb the region. Yep that's what he said

1:29:09 That's specifically exactly what he said. It's only 26 seconds, I'm going to roll it back and he is very clear... He says ground truth and we're looking at the GroundTruth.org operation And it seems that there are a lot of interconnections here that are coincidences Well the guy whose head was not cut off worked for Ground Truth through The Global Post Operation and the guy who was released who can't talk about anything because he needs to bond with his mother and is just happy to be here on this Wednesday everybody, he also worked for Global Truth Project. I think the point now is we need to flood the zone using our technical means of imagery communications intercepts even human penetrations as dangerous as that might be and relying cooperating with our friends in the region The Jordanians, The Turks And the Kurds To get ground truth That enables us to conduct

1:30:03 targeted operations with the kind of exquisite intelligence that that really requires. We are here, hashtag America near our hashtag target soon Is it starting to dawn on you people? Keep an eye on this project...this What did what was this Newman reference I'm sorry the Newman reference Yeah, this every time we listen to Hayden. There's more it's like there's stuff that I did. Did I miss something? What did he say? Yeah, I mean some Newman thing is no, no, I think it says Hugh. It's actually funny what do you say He says human penetration I said Newman.

1:31:00 The worst ever, Al Qaeda kicked them out. There's thousands hundreds of Americans are all in Europe and returning so that's flooding the zone. Flooding the zone. Our technical means of imagery communications intercepts even human penetrations Human penetration I think he is saying human Sure? It sounds like Newman Let's roll it back a little bit could be Imagery communications intercepts even human penetration as dangerous as that might be and Wow He's got a mean human, you're right. But it's just I don't know why I keep hearing Newman but even human penetration just sound vile Yeah it does Human penetrations which is dangerous yeah and relying cooperating with our friends in the region The Jordanians the Turks and the Kurds to get ground truth that enables us to conduct targeted operations with the kind of exquisite intelligence that really requires Okay I can't take anymore this guy is getting on my nerves

1:31:59 The guy is just a piece of horrible. Well, John before we hit our next 13 minute mark maybe now would be the time for me to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak! In the morning to you Adam something-in-the middle Curry Clark John M.C. Curry yes I and also in the morning all the boots on the ground feet in there subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there And in the morning to our artistes, thank you very much as always for all your fabulous work. Fabulous! Daniel McDonald did the artwork for episode 646 we really appreciate that it was a good piece and there was again... It's very competitive again Very competitive There is a lot of art again which we like although it's hard to choose let me just see what did he uh what do we have again for 646 um

1:32:57 It was... I think it was Peace People really liked, I remember that. Oh yes! It was the No Agenda Selfie Awards, that's right. The No Agenda Selfie Awards. I want to ask you a question before I begin thanking the executive producers and associate executive producers just to give you a- Can I first say in the morning to everyone in the chat room who still, I think they're there? I'm being logged in and out. No agenda streamed over. I would hope that you'd say that. Okay Yes, okay ready. Yeah, I'm ready for your question compare which is larger Texas or UK and give me a number Texas cheat. I'm not cheating Texas is larger and it is larger Six times larger six It's 2.87 times larger that was off you know I'd say but I thought as large yeah of course its larger

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1:35:17 That really feels good, especially when we went through a couple hours of bull crap setting up and every 13 minutes we're cutting out. We're here! We're here for y'all. We are searching this funny story. Kent Van Vliet. Vliet. Vliet. Kent Von Fleet. But even though he's in Sioux Lookout Ontario $333? It would be Van Fleet Van Fleet. Keep on rockin' the free world, is what he says. Very short and sweet. Love it! Sir James Howard at 292.69 will be the first Associate Executive Producer for this show 647 as we come upon our 7th anniversary This is an entirety of my wage slave quarterly bonus

1:36:02 Thank you very much. He gets the $292 and 69 cents from his bonus now that I've accrued a surplus of moral self-licensing, I will spend it on calling out all my brainwashed compatriots and I won't feel bad at all! By the way... Oops sorry. I figured that's what he wanted. Yeah by the way MoralSelfLicensing.com would be a great site to repost these dumb memes and make fun of the dopes who take them so seriously Well, it's interesting you say that. John why don't you go to jcd.moralselflicensing.com? Okay. He says... JCD dot moral... Self-license I'm sorry moral self license .com. Yeah Moral self license. JCD is moral self license It's a nice offset document it's completely over

1:37:01 as a moral self-license for up to one year and five douchebag events. I can use those up in a month." I thought, why don't... since it was $100 for the stupid bucket challenge if people give us 100 donations you get a customized moral self license? Have you seen the new bucket challenge where they dump dirt on themselves? No yeah no i don't look at that. What do you think of my moral self license? I think it's fantastic except that whatever JavaScript or whatever you use to format the page is screwed up because the thing is all over the place. It looks fine here! Well, let me see... Maybe if I shrink the web page with a control minus... There's no JavaScript. Whatever I do there are like two certificates and my license is in the middle of all the filigree

1:37:57 That's interesting. I don't, there is no JavaScript. It's a static HTML page Well it doesn't work on my Windows 7 browser Oh well there you go Doesn't work Do you like the idea of... I like the idea alot! I would like to see better font Ok I would prefer a much better font. We'll set it up and we'll make it happen. I register the domain name, I set it up... It doesn't render properly. You know what? Your machine sucks! Your machine sucks. It renders fine. It won't render on anybody's machine but yours

1:38:46 And it's got the whole thing and then you have the last modified little thing. It's over, it's offset, it's like centered between the two certificates... I'll send ya a screen capture of it! Maybe it works on Chrome or whatever Safari would work with. I'm on Firefox You see? See what happens? Yeah that's why I was rushing to get back to the reads as opposed to dealing... So yeah we've got 15 minutes now Okay alright good Anyway, I think it should be a new donation level of $100 and you get a certificate with better fonts and better JavaScript. Right? And you get five douchebag events. You can be a douche bag for five times in the year. Yeah, yeah! You get to do something horrible in the future. Do they have to report in? I would say so...

1:39:43 Okay, 23, Chris Herzog. $234.99 in Elwood Illinois. The shows and deconstructions have been top notch you guys have been on a huge streak since the Hobby Lobby analysis which was outstanding and the Pipelines breakthrough thanks for crediting my account towards knighthood to my son Alex last show sir Azog son of Sir Zogg of Elwood he got a huge kick out of it He started sixth grade And I'm trying to figure out when he can start working show memes into his school work Right away my friend right away get them on now You guys are right on and first out of the gate on the Foley beheading hoax. Now it's everywhere, the sad thing is that it made its point and no one will care anymore I don't care if those guys didn't behead him quote unquote they're still terrorist assholes bomb them! Finally we're going to be able to split Iraq up like he was supposed to be years ago can I get a quick three quick clips A Karma for Yourselves and everyone listening at Reverend Manning Whoopam

1:40:43 and a bingo boom shakalaka combo if it's not too much trouble thanks and keep on with the greatest podcast in the universe. Okay so he wants uh we went he just wants a regular karma right? Yeah okay because he's calling that a clip that's not really a clip No, okay uh bingo boom shakalaka I got it all for you It's a little tougher today because of the way everything is rolling So I'm sorry I'm really trying to do my best here for everybody Get out there! Whooping whooping whooping You've got karma. You have to imagine the way I'm doing that, I'm like hitting command tab, I'm using the mouse, I'm hitting the MIDI remote controller... You haven't had the guy ask for the 10 clips This was bad enough

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1:42:32 You called Adele a man, I don't know. I doubt- I called Adele a man? Apparently you saw the name some other name... No, no, I don't remember this. She meanwhile gypped me with the Amsterdam Starbucks cups and I do not want any more problems! Please help me out with this Adam! Can i get a just send cash clip karma Yeah is that it That's Kevin Lecomte and Gig Harbor, Washington. And then dine, but there's nice hotels and we have a nice... It was very funny. Yeah, yeah. Worked out well. Bashkar Dandona in Birmingham West Midlands UK $200 I know these no no you've skipped over the BJ consulting group Oh i'm sorry I did skip over your right PJ consulting group in Osaka Japan 201 dollars this is why there's two of us that do this show

1:43:52 Hi from Bill and JV from the BJ Consulting Group in Osaka. First of all, we want to thank Dame Astrid of Tokyo for the octopus balls shoutout! Actually when were not eating octopus balls... We made the vorax award-winning chili. Oh, yeah Wow ago for a barbecue and it was a huge hit The best one we've ever cooked some photos attached in a separate email for John and Adam We closely followed the recipe that John posted on his website We located a great shoulder cut meat now were able to find most of the beans here in Japan A little improvisation also needed as grandma's brand chili powder is no longer made actually It's made by new operation

1:44:35 We'll tell everybody who we didn't so they can get I don't have it. I don't know we don't sell spice anymore All I know is we had this it was a okay Bitch to find it. However, it was the homegrown jalapenos we added that really made up for it We hereby challenge Dame Astrid to cook Dvorak's chili in Tokyo henceforth the Vorac Chili Challenge! We also request karma for her JV needs some new human resource karma and Bill needs some general neck beard Karma along with the bingo boom shaka laka plus don't laugh Oh he wants a Don't Laugh Okay

1:45:12 Alright, all right. Well hold on a second I'll get the bingo we're waiting patiently there's no hurry. I can play little harp now Right yeah, no it's just it's not like it's really easy what's going? I know you but you did this great job the last time I'm sure he'll nail it again So didn't request karma new human resource karma and I quite sure I don't have any I could do an LG why to add To that that might help just to make it a A little more complete. Okay, here we go I've got your list right here. I've got everything all going on Here we go 1 2 3 4 5 Don't laugh! Why are you laughing? Shut up! Dingo boom shakalaka! Shut Up! You've Got Karma That's one of my favorites I think that's one of the classic classics It is it is right out there with many of them yes indeed

1:46:11 Now, Bahaskar Dandona in Birmingham UK $200 and he says Sumita Banerjee. Sumita Banerjee can you hear me? Wait a minute I'm supposed to read this Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay that's right this is the one that... Now I want to say something here what Adam is going to read here is very different than anything we've ever done on this show and it might invite a lot of copycats may actually indicate a new thing that can happen on The No Agenda Show My concern with it is that I was told that, I can't read this because...I don't know why but they wouldn't be able to do it right. It says in my notes here from the back office which is you know Eric's line 8 hello line eight is for Adam to read not you Dvorak! It says him in all caps yes I saw that

1:47:13 Okay, per Buscar's request. Okay. Alright... Let me give it a shot here Sumita Banerjee And he didn't give any phonetics or anything Sumita Banerjee Can you hear me? You can do that part with your- This is a message from Buscar Daredona Please listen carefully. My dearest Sumita, and I hope that's how we pronounce your name or it'd be rather silly when you play this later for the children... If all goes to plan it is late Friday 27th of August 2014. That would be... that can't.. that would be 29th of August. I've just driven from Birmingham to London and back again so we could have another lovely weekend in my home! Right now were sitting on the bed and your probably wondering what's going on?

1:48:16 There's something important I have to ask you and doing it this way brings together two things i love. The first of those is no agenda not just Adam and John but the whole extended Noah Genley Agenda family of producers and listeners that's a lot of people right now people from every corner on the planet are listening to these words, and that's really important because How much, how much I love you. Right now i'm reaching under the bed to grab a little black box and now...I'm holding it in front of you inside the box It's something that sparkles You once said I had a sparkle in my eyes and I told you the sparkle is you In front of all these witnesses from Birmingham to Beijing From Boston to Bombay Samita Banerjee will you do me the honor

1:49:19 of becoming my wife. Wow! Please can you guys share a double shot of no agenda karma for joyous wedding and long and happy life together? I'm pretty sure she's going to say yes. Yes, of course. You've got karma. Well... Well that's different Yeah That's pretty cool Yeah, i guess yeah, i think so That's a pretty cool thing to do. I want to know if she said yes is what i want to know well we'll find out shortly Well eventually, I think it'd be funny if you well yeah If we get a donation that says essential funny stuff no And here's 200 validation from sumita says no

1:50:11 I don't want to remind people we do have a show on Sunday coming up and you go to Dvorak.org slash NA, if you want to do proposals on the show Adam will read them and even though he did kind of chuckle there at some point in the middle of it that was inappropriate. It was the harmonica are you kidding me? I'm trying to be really serious like If I had thought about the harmonica earlier, would have used a different key. Well sorry but it was it came from the heart. It came from the heart so like that and i thought that was nice it was nice to anyway So we'll do that and uh since we've done it you know we have to do it now for now because one person wanted it We have to do it for everybody right? It'll never stop And uh You know how that goes One of my people that we do a show on sunday

1:50:58 We did have some good donations today, but it usually goes up and down and up and down. So Dvorak.org slash NA we'd appreciate any help we can get for the Sunday show which will also be done here on the transatlantic cable. Yeah, and hopefully we'll have... I'll get the jingle machine fixed and everything and I apologize. You know what? I think it's on my end. It's got to be the 13 minute thing is gotta be... No, the 30 minutes is definitely in your end but I still think that if I had a good high-speed modem working right It might make a difference that way it's done in the past with the peering. At least for my- the quality of my sound Are you on the Comcast now? Or are you on... No, you're sounding good by the way! I'm not on the Comcast Oh well this is.. it's not been half bad Good Yeah Hey besides that we also need to go out and do something very important Continuously be propagating our formula Our formula is this We go out We hit people in the mouth

1:52:04 Yeah, that sounds very... Someone sent me something that I wanted to play for you. Let me see if i can find this um where was it?

1:52:40 Yes, here we go. This is from Charlie Kaufman... Are you familiar with Charlie Kaufman? The name rings a bell! He is a screenwriter and one of his famous screenplays is Being John Malkovich Okay. And in 2011, at the British Academy of Film and Television Arts...is that what it is? BAFTA? I think it's BAFTA. At 2011 BAFTAs he did a speech not during the television show but you know the BAFTAs they have like all kinds of seminars and things you can attend Sure! This is a speech which I felt so nicely encapsulated what No Agenda is about

1:53:28 We could have written this for him. And I wanted to play it because a lot of people, I think need something and that's why you'll have these clips separate in the show notes at 647.nashownotes.com People need something to play for their friends, to say this is really what this show is about. This is really why you need to listen to this program and why it is not just a necessity... It's going to make you keep healthy, make you healthier and it is needed more now than ever at any time in modern history Here's a quote that I found, a recent quote that I found

1:54:06 We do not talk. We bludgeon one another with facts and theories gleaned from cursory readings of newspapers, magazines and digests." That was actually written in 1945 by Henry Miller. And I mean, I think it's timely. And I think what it says is that the world has been on—the present course it's on for a long time. People all over the world spend countless hours of their lives every week being fed entertainment in the forms of movies, TV shows, newspapers, YouTube videos, the Internet And it's ludicrous to believe that this stuff doesn't alter our brains. And it is also equally ludicrous to believe that, at the very least, this mass distraction and manipulation is not convenient for the people who are in charge. People are starving. They may not know it because they're being fed mass-produced garbage. The packaging is colorful and loud but it's being produced in the same factories that make Pop Tarts and iPads by people sitting around thinking what can we do get more of these? And they're very good at their jobs

1:55:12 But that's what it is you're getting, because that's what they're making. They are selling you something and the world is built on this now. Politics and government are built on this. Corporations are built on this. Interpersonal relationships are built on this. And we're starving all of us and were killing each other and were hating each other And we're calling each other liars and evil because it's all become marketing. And we want to win because we're lonely and empty, and scared. And we'd like to believe winning will change all that but there is no winning." I liked that! That was really nice

1:55:52 And then he brings it home with this. This will be your favorite, just a short little bit and I'll end it. Our culture is marketing. This is what we do and what is marketing? Trying to get people to do what you want them too It's what drives our consumer culture. It's what drives our politics of which what drives our art music movies books fine arts It's part of every research grant proposal. I don't want to participate I don't want to tell you how to sell a screenplay or tell you how to write a hit Or tell you how to fit into the existing system I want to tell you that i have a hope, that there's another way to be in this world. And that I believe with courage and vulnerability and honesty That the stuff we put into the world can serve a better purpose The way movies work now... And I'm talking about mainstream industry The only goal is to get you to buy a product! The only goal! The only goal! The ONLY GOAL!! THE ONLY GOAL!!! And this intention creates the movies that we sit through.

1:56:53 No, I like it. What he's saying is absolutely true but it's like one of these deniers... He's a denialist! This the way it is folks. Well no he says he has hope but he doesn't realize that we are that hope We are that glimmering light in the horizon. As far as you can get. It's about no agenda show and this is close to having hope actually become reality It just becomes hope while you're driving on your commute. And it helps you get through the day, I believe! But it's not changing anything...

1:57:45 Well, I'm gonna change to make it do something else before you do that. Okay because he was talking about things being about sale is selling selling selling marketing We have to recognize when we spot a native average It's not really native advertising maybe it is I don't know I have a clip that we had this is about not buying something and I believe in the olden days and I think this is still true and as a person kind of in the media It used to be where the advertisers didn't push around the publications. The publications would push around the advertisers, and that was the idea—either advertise or die. We're going to write bad things about you." It was all corrupt on both sides but kind of corruption at least it was on one side as opposed to the other. Have you witnessed this personally? I know I have a lot of stories where this used to happen anecdotally. More recently it's not happened.

1:58:40 It used to happen a little bit with Ziff Davis when Bill Ziff was alive, but then it went the other way and the advertisers pushed the publishers around now. But there is an instance that showed up on television That you tell me if this isn't tell me this isn't a hit piece is a very short little piece. It's it's the Kia thing Mm-hmm, it's a very short little piece and it is the most outrageous Hit piece I've ever heard in Venetia three people were killed in a crash along 680 CHP says that they were in a Kia that collided with another car at the Lake Herman off ramp

1:59:16 that Kia then slammed head-on into a canal. Two people in the front seat, one in the back died even though the airbags went off and they were all wearing seat belts Were they hamsters? Now tell me that is not the most outrageous thing you've ever heard as a news report They never named the name of the other car It's just Kia, Kia, Kia die Isn't that the hamster car? The Kia hamster car Yeah isn't it the car where the hamsters get out No, Kia is like little Korean cars I think that's the hamster car. Yeah, I've seen a hamster ad with Kia's We've talked about it. We're talking about hamsters Let me see let me kia yeah i think so hamster I think it's the key is the hamster car let me say kia hamster checking yes

2:00:03 The soul, the Kia Soul. The hamster car. Oh the Kia Soul which you know I my Mimi wanted to get oh i like this soul it's so cute and I said and I saw I rented one once and she if there any ideas that she had of getting a Kia Soul or done this is that thing was yeah this is exactly Yeah, this is exactly what we discussed on the show. It was a bucket of bolts! Oh okay well anyway that's what were the Kia guys had better get their act together or else yeah they better start more bring those hamsters get some more advertising going people get some advertising going boys you're gonna be slammed and you're not doing very well death mobile will be the next moniker oh Well since we've talked about a member of your family

2:00:48 May I bring up something from another member of your family if you don't mind, it's okay. This is about Buzzkill Jr Whose whose wife? Jessica yes Yes, she just changed her profile picture on Facebook looks very good Yeah, okay so she's cute but that that's not what this is about this is about his experience where the president was in town and And everyone's cell phone in the office, the battery drained very quickly and we have deduced this from our producers that this is the use of these Stingray machine where they it spoofs as a cellphone tower. Yeah! Then your phone connects to it if you have one John I don't really have phones and I don't carry a phone

2:01:40 Certainly a smartphone and I said a dropper and they suck everything out They suck out your address book and all your text and call information. I think anything they can get controversial surveillance system used by the police department to track people's cell phone activity Will continue as is it is called stingray this small device tricks cell phones into connecting to it thinking It is a cell phone tower. The Tacoma News Tribune reports Stingray has been in use by the Tacoma Police Department since 2008 it can track calls, text messages and other cell phone information from people up to half a mile away. Cairo seven asked the mayor to weigh in on the

2:02:17 what critics are calling an invasion of privacy. People who commit crime use technology to do what they're going to do, people want to put our communities in danger use technology so it makes sense to have law enforcement have access to the same types of tools to counter the type of technology that people want to harm us or using. Hold on a second I don't have that kind of technology to commit crime. And this is the mayor It makes sense, just shut up. Why do you question the citizen? This bothers you citizen that we are snooping on your phone? What is your problem? You know what this is about don't ya? You know what they use this for. It makes sense to have law enforcement have access to the same types of tools to counter the type of technology that people who want to harm us are using. Well the ACLU told The Tribune while the police department sold the idea to the city as technology that could potentially find someone wanting to set off a bomb its main purpose has been to get drug dealers

2:03:10 Five o'clock anchor Monique Ming-Lavan will explain exactly how the stingray works and whether this type of surveillance is allowed under the Patriotic Act. I love that, I list that in because it was so funny that someone calls it The Patriotic Act Of course its The Patriot Act The patriotic act. She calls it the patriotic act, very good and this is about the point in the six-month cycle where I remind everybody and for your convenience i've put a copy uh in the show notes of a document which was written by a Harvard...I think he the guy went to Harvard when he was 16

2:03:55 graduated summa cum laude, record time. He was teaching at Harvard and he was very very worried about technology eventually enslaving people, enslaving us. And here in the Netherlands there's a crisis of bicycles. There are so many bicycles now in the Netherlands maybe it is just because I haven't been here for awhile that I see them now but people are riding on their bikes and the Dutch are very good at riding bikes They're so good. There's rarely an accident, and they don't wear helmets or knee pads... They've got a kid in the front, a kid on the back, they've got groceries on their handlebars AND while they are biking, they are holding up their smartphone in front of their face Googling or texting!

2:04:48 It is unbelievable. Selfies while biking? Not necessarily selfies, but they're interacting with their smartphone while they're bicycling and they have headphones in connected to the smartphone and this is not a rare occurrence you see this everywhere in the city so I recommend you go read this document The document's called Industrial Society And Its Future And it's in the NATEC subfolder there, written by a guy named Theodore — some call him Ted Kaczynski. Also known as the Unabomber. So you may want to read this manifesto because what is happening today? The piece you just heard, the enslavement through these devices is precisely what he warned for! I'm not endorsing... Oh, I get it. That was a good one. Thank you. Thank you. I got you with Harvard stuff didn't

2:05:50 Yeah, you were leading me astray. You were using a kind of misdirection. Trickery! He was he taught at Harvard. He went in when he was 15 graduated guys are super genius. Okay we got well I got a new TV show coming up Just after, okay. Yeah. Okay great. What's new TV show? Hey we're going to help you get out of this crap hole but we're gonna promote a new TV show. Tell me what idiot would watch this! This is the Utopia the new tv show coming up on Fox Oh I've seen it here already on television here. This is a John DeMalle program done by his production company Tulpa

2:06:39 And he's the guy who created Big Brother. Meet the 15 utopians confident that they can live together. I'm a backwoods hillbilly, I'm a peppy prepper and i'm a pastor and start a society from scratch! I can shoot anything from white-tailed deer to bears. I am an animal activist and teach them how to compost their own poo we say good luck. I am polyamorous. I would not be comfortable with such relationships especially in close quarters my exhibitionist Yes, I'll pull down my pants right now. Oh this would be great. Utopia begins two weeks from tonight on Fox. Yeah he also created... He also created a show the signature... How to compost their own poop yeah yeah the idea is you it's Big Brother in a world where you have to you know with prepper it's big brother meet meets preppers like yeah yeah crap

2:07:30 I saw some on the Dutch, it's like five minutes of one of the last episodes. Horrible! It's fake! It has to be... It's so fake! Oh yes yeah these things are scripted nonsense. It's incredibly fake well okay since you bring that up there's a new band they have kind of an old sound and they've They're doing big concerts, they're coming over from...they are doing a big tour. Big, big tour for these guys. Wesley Clark Seven is coming to you!

2:08:19 That was very hard to hear that clip. Yeah, it sounded better... Something about ISIS! Well he had all the countries where ISIS is... Well you're over there now I want you to play the Scottish referendum clip and tell me what's going on Yes i do have a little bit of info in this thank you for asking The final televised debate between the yes and no camps in this Scottish independence campaign has turned heated. The destiny of the country's future will be decided in mid-September. RT's Marina Koshova was watching how the leaders fared It was a very loud and a very fiery debate in which both men gave it their all, but it appears the victory is in Alex Salmond's hands in favor of independence. According to a snap poll some 71% of voters thought he came out on top which is a dramatic turnaround for Scotland's first minister let's not forget that last time he was challenged over issues such as the future

2:09:18 of Scotland's economy and the future of the pound. And this time he came prepared to give his currency options, offering three plan Bs in fact something which he kept repeating but saying that sticking to the pound would be best. They cannot stop us using the pound! The most important revelation... Now, the head of the Better Together campaign Alistair Darling hit back saying that would leave Scotland at the mercy of a foreign country telling it how to spend its money just like Eurozone countries which have to get their budgets signed off in Brussels. If you're using somebody else's currency but you don't have a central bank so our financial services services can't exist in Scotland.

2:10:16 was adopting a more emotional but more confident approach. Some said that the fact that he was shouting over his opponents could put off some voters, but as we can see with the results of the snap election it seemed to have worked in his favor. Yeah September 18th is the referendum I think its the 18th when Scotland decides if it will break away from the United Kingdom and this would be a problem for many reasons I don't think it's going to happen. I think it is going to happen, unless there's rigged. This is why I don't think it's gonna happen Well you may have a point but I think it's going to happen and I think it's going to be... Let's take the typical EU pathway which is they'll vote to become independent and then they'll have a do-over that's how Ireland went with the Lisbon Treaty

2:11:21 Right? They can have a do-over just like, well... Two out of three. It'll be something like that! Maybe. The point that was made in the debates was that apparently... Did you watch them? I saw a little bit, but did you see the debate? I saw a little bit too but the point there where I know what the point was that they made which is... Yeah it's about oil and then the National Health Service. That's kind of what I got from it. No, the kicker was which they didn't get before is that they don't have to create a central bank and they can keep using the pound as their currency And then of course the counter argument was whether you won't have a central bank, you won't have financial services. Well you don't have one now! So what difference does it make?

2:12:08 I think that...I never thought about it, but it's almost like an ideal for the libertarian mentality is there's no central bank. So what? You have an agreed-upon currency that you use for transactions and that would be the British pound or even switch to the euro if you wanted to. If they wanted to. They might. All the central bankers had their annual Jackson Hole meeting in Wyoming And I was reading some of the transcripts and some of the reports, as I do. And Mario Draghi and Janet Yellen—and I think a lot of people who analyze their reports agreed—they kind of sounded the same like...I'm saying like a lot you need to catch me on that… They're kinda saying the same thing or similar... I'm sorry? Stop stop stop! How are using the word wrong? I'm just saying like. You're just saying like for no good reason? Yeah. That's not good

2:13:08 Okay. I'm catching myself though, so I'm on the road to healing and they were saying similar things about their economies and of course Draghi about Europe and Yellen about the US but if i have this clip maybe that was a clip from it was kind of funny or maybe it was an article let me just check there was something the effect of that the unemployment in the United States is flexible i.e., it changes as the economy changes, but that the unemployment in Europe is structural." Wow! That's nice and then it just going to get worse and worse. Nothing is... See, in America we have immigration, we're trying to fix that, and we have younger people coming in and stuff's gonna happen. Europe is dying

2:14:04 It's just going to be part of the Caliph. It's going to be part of the Islamic State eventually. The caliphate, not the caliph? I'm sorry it'll run by the caliph but it'll be part of the caliphate because everyone is dying off they're not making enough kids and economically... Yeah Italy has already apparently one foot in the grave Yes but its deflation which this very scary this is very bad. This deflation stuff isn't good Well, I don't know what they're gonna do about it. Their old solution is simple... Yeah? Let Germany attack France. That usually works. Can we do it via Austria or...? No, I'm laughing! I think that warrants an explanation. Why is that a solution to the deflationary

2:15:00 spiral that Europe is in. Why would it work to have Germany... Well, because you'd have to super weaponize both countries which means you gotta spend a lot of money like we're doing on useless things that will just blow up so in other words, you create manufacturing jobs immediately so everybody gets full employment because they're at war and then they make sacrifices so they get a job but they can't do anything with the money cause they have to make sacrifices for it cause their in a war and then they blow up the stuff that they made wealth being created because you're in a war and that solves the economic issues. Excellent! Well, there's an added problem here... And by the way let me get one more before you go. I added which is that big war situations usually create so much tension that you end up with a lot of babies. Ah, which would be good

2:15:53 Which would be good. So the whole thing is a win-win-win. But right now, with the Ukrainian crisis... Oh! Also that here? It's all in Putin. Putin did it. Putin is the A-hole. Putin is responsible for anything. Putin, Putin, Putin, Putin, Putin. Except... Yes? Doesn't that really say to you that we are extremely good at this? At this show? No, well yeah that goes without saying. The propaganda machines are just dynamite! Oh no, they're fantastic absolutely

2:16:32 And from our perspective doing this show, and I think most of our listeners would agree. From our perspective they suck at this! Yeah we had to think about how much better it could be That's the kicker right there There was a...I'm looking for it here There was an official letter sent from A Dutch professor To President Putin And I am looking for it now Let me see, I didn't have enough time entirely to put everything together properly today. So that's why I'm struggling just a little bit Hmm well while while I'm scrolling around looking for that What Russia has now done is they've turned around and they have started banning products from Europe most notably farming products and right in Finland

2:17:34 They have something now calling it Putin's butter. as you can no longer export butter into Russia and people are just stocking up on it because the butter is like two cents. That's what it was like again, butter is so cheap cheese all these products and things are here in the Netherlands they can't send their products anymore of course flowers and we laugh about it but this is a catastrophe of epic proportions I've got the letter prominent Dutch professor to Russian President Vladimir Putin. The letter was written by Professor Kees Hammelink, signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors." And this is... Is this an AP report? I thought it looked pretty official so I'd

2:18:22 didn't want to just write it off as bogative. Dear Mr President Putin, please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our government and our media The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country We are powerless onlookers as we witness how the Western nations led by the United States accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction... The way you and your nation are convicted of crimes without evidence is ruthless and despicable." It's pretty interesting coming from the elites in the Netherlands. You have saved us from the conflict in Syria that could have escalated into a world war. True! He came up with the whole idea of chemical weapons. That was Putin's idea

2:19:15 The mass killing of innocent Syrian civilians through gassing by al-Qaeda terrorists trained and armed by the US and paid for by Saudi Arabia was blamed on Assad. In doing so, the West hoped public opinion would turn against Assad paving the way for an attack on Syria." Now when I read it this far i'm like... This doesn't sound like... You know? I am not catching it! Yeah, I am and it's bad. This doesn't sound like an open letter anymore. I'm sorry? No. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a letter to you either does it? No! Exactly... It sounds like a public relations written piece. Um, it is a real professor so I'm not quite sure- Doesn't sound right. No, it doesn't sound-I agree, doesn't sound right um So we'll have to keep our eye on what's uh what's going on with that but the economic disaster We know that- I'm sorry. We know that Putin doesn't have the wherewithal or can hire the right skill sets

2:20:22 Or maybe he has already hired WPP. I mean, that's what they should do the Russians should hire one of the big boys to tell their side of the story instead of trying it themselves. Well they would want Hillel and Knowlton because they're kind of the crisis guys. Yeah but with the organization...I think they are in a WPP too They're all in there blanket organizations. I don't know how they divide it up anymore It's conflicted interests. It's scammish these giant firms. We've, we seriously you and I would be so much better at doing this because we see through everything so well and we know how the... And in our system you might not even have to kill people! I think you and i can come up with things that are so good and that works out are so effective but you don't have to kill innocent people maybe one or two once in a while oh yeah well that's just your collateral damage just you know yeah

2:21:15 Here's just a quick little call back to the Ferguson affair. I do have a Ferguson... Let's play it, what you got for Ferguson? Hold on no no i have the MacArthur stuff I want to talk about after Ferguson. Okay so I'll hit Ferguson real quick with just a short clip. Ferguson as we could deconstructed, I would say John deconstructed is about And remember that this is, there is so much crime. So many people were being killed black boys white boys you name it with this one in conjunction with the Rev we got Al we got Jackson and we've got Eric Holder We've got everybody all of us. We have the president stopping his golf game to do a little speech about it

2:22:01 cynically enough is only to get people to vote Democrat. Here is Chris Matthews from the Democrat Party sponsored MSNBC And he's laying it out. But while the streets of Ferguson may have quieted, anger over Browns death lingers among a community that believes itself the victim of injustice and that might have political implications this coming November That's just 10 weeks from now According to a Pew Research poll last week public reaction to the Brown case varies widely by party ID Now this is what- This is an angle you and I hadn't caught yet

2:22:37 So the way they're doing this is they're bringing in Pew, and if you ask anyone... And Pew has done a great job at positioning themselves by doing a lot of tech-based stuff. Yeah, better than we did very very good job Doing polls about things that are very obvious and and getting real credibility with a younger crowd You know how many people would like the iPhone or like the apps? I mean you just write to the pew of researchers air pulling yeah But it's it stuff that you think yeah well that makes sense. That sounds right And so they've built up their credibility that way and now here's their numbers on the Ferguson issue. And this is very funny to me.

2:23:27 So here's the results are in. Republicans don't think it was about race, only 22%. Those crazy ass gun totin' nut job black people hating racist Republicans versus the ever-loving Democrats who 68% that's almost 70%. They love it, this race. Well considering that big disparity could anger over the Brown case motivate more African American voters to turn up this November. Joining me right now is Democratic Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland and Democratic pollster Margie O'Mara I didn't you don't need to hear them just know that there they are he sets it up he brings him in let's talk about it the debate is framed it's perfect

2:24:11 Well, it's well executed. I hadn't thought about doing the Pew thing to say that Republicans don't think it was about race. It's beautiful! Yeah now the whole thing is well done. Republicans are just flat-footed Well, here in California we've had the motion you were trying to like take guns away from people even though they've always been in denial. No! We're not going to take your guns away but you know the main thing was get people to get their guns taken away if they had some reason... Right If you have the gun's taking it away so when coming into your house and grab guns yeah you may have been a nutball or something for our medication So heres the guns-taking-away story is where this is where are we stand in California

2:24:54 The state senate approved legislation today that would take guns away from people who are found to be at risk of hurting themselves or others. The legislation would allow law enforcement and family members to petition the courts for a temporary restraining order that would bar possession of a firearm if the gun owner poses a threat. The bill is now headed back to the assembly for vote on amendments it comes in the wake of deadly rampage near UC Santa Barbara back in May Oh perfect. Yeah, this was the crazy kid who was under care by the Hollywood Crazy Doctor with a podcast right that guy

2:25:34 Yes, well Texas thinks different about that. A school district in Texas is putting everyone on notice that some staff members are now carrying guns the Argyle Independent School District voted in favor of school marshals back in January gun-toting teachers and staff must have a handgun license undergo firearms training and pass a psychological evaluation Yeah where you want to live? Where do you want your kids to go to school? Well I'm telling ya'll I want them in Texas They're gonna be a lot safer there, that's for sure. That would be one of the reasons and maybe they learned something about guns some gun safety some respect and I've had these big I'm sorry. I'm going to say the big gun story that's been going on is some guy teaching a nine-year old how to shoot semi automatic or an automatic weapon, she shoots it...I mean i don't know why you would do this? I think a nine year old should learn how to shoot again but not have automatic weapon that has a kick to it so she said okay let's take this off and now you can have an automatic machine gun okay

2:26:30 I just what do i do now to i just pull the trigger yeah, just pull the trigger on that baby and then she pulls a trigger knocks her on her ass shoots the guy okay so this is you know this is i'm sorry i'm not buying what you just said. You just said you completely gave the mainstream description of what happened there is video there is video of this Of the girl and the guy of course we don't actually see anything happen She shoots a single shot. He puts it in its an Uzi short short UZI He puts it in single shot mode, she fires. The recoil on Uzi is not bad at all John It's very minor in fact No I've shot a Uzi they're not bad at all Very minor She shoots this little recoil and handles it perfectly And then the video cuts away We are supposed to believe Maybe something else happened Who knows what happened? Why can't I see the video Okay if you cant' see the video then your right I made a mistake

2:27:29 And this is one of the things about our show I want to point out that when one of us gets sidetracked by some mainstream bullcrap, the other one usually catches it. Very rarely do we both make a mistake. Rarely! So what is being suggested in this video is then she pulls the trigger and because of the recoil She the gun the weapon I should say starts firing goes up over her head and Either into the back of her head and shoots a guy down who is apparently now standing behind her And we don't I am sorry to say if you're gonna make this into a big gun story not you But if that's what mainstream media does please release the video. I want to see it. I want to see what happened

2:28:19 And you just gave an excellent description of something that we're not allowed to see. I don't understand why, I just don't understand! Alright? Because you did that... because you did that, i'm going to do this to you." We will, I should say, not talk about kale on this radio program, just stand on principle on my part. This is Marketplace—you can hear from the voice—on our national treasure NPR And talking about superfoods, John. Which you called... Wow! Two years ago you called the superfood meme? But for some reason he our host here of Marketplace refuses to talk about kale and he has a substantive... Generate letters because this liberal community loves kale. Indeed I know that we are not supposed to speak of kale on the show

2:29:19 We'll call it the K-word, all right? The K word John. The K-word. Oh, so lovely! K-word... So in 2012 about 2500 farms harvested the k-word which is up from fewer than a thousand in 2007 Since you have broached the topic far and away the k-word is the thing that people eat it beats by miles and miles and miles brussel sprouts, kohlrabi spinach chard and arugula Exactly. I mean those also grew... No, no, no, NO!

2:29:55 So, I have a clip of the guy that...I don't have it with us unfortunately because they didn't expect you to drop a kale clip on me. But there was a food conference recently that was shown on speakers on C-SPAN and they ran out the numbers and the number of people eating kale is really low. It's not a high number. It's not beating all these other vegetables as bull crap. So, that's a lie? Yes, hmm spinach chard and arugula No way he says arugula Exactly. I mean exactly this is NPR these are the same people This is marketplace the same people who tell you I got a clip about that's yeah Do you have it?

2:30:43 No, I do have it but I don't know where it is. Was it lined up in a previous show? Is my question Yeah was do you know what you would have titled it by any chance well You know me kale I kale look at the kale and see there's a kale clip Okay Do you know how long ago would have been It would have been a couple months back Wow that may be a little too long let me see kale flotus kale kale And Ted kale, was it on Ted? Ted Kale. What is Ted Kale? I don't know let's play it! Let's play the Ted Kale clip that sounds kind of cool. Start with greens because they are rich in B vitamins, vitamins A C K and minerals and those are two types of kale. Kale has the most nutrition per calorie of any plant. Wow

2:31:33 The B vitamins will protect your brain cells and your mitochondria. Vitamins A and C support your immune cells, vitamin K keeps your blood vessels and bones healthy, and minerals are cofactors for hundreds of different enzymes in your bodies so have more kale, more parsley. Since you have broached the topic far and away

2:32:22 The K word is the thing that people eat. It beats by miles and miles and miles, miles and miles and miles John. This is bull crap! This is a lie! We are now measuring financial gain in miles on marketplace on NPR I just want to point that out not dollars not in pounds of volume tons No miles. Nobody eats kale Miles of kale How many miles of kale have you eaten, Josh? When's the last time you had kale. When did you have kale last? You probably eat a lot more kale than I do because you have a kale-eating wife. When was the last time that you ate kale? Um...I'm going to have to say four months ago Four months ago and you've not had a vegetable since, I take it

2:33:11 Why this whole show is you asking me questions of which I, you know it's insulting. Of course i've had vegetables! I'm sorry veggies yeah greens I try not to cringe. Now you got my blood boiling. Yeah, Mickey does this to me. I know I made a mistake with it was a stupid story about the little girl shooting the guy but now... Yeah, Mickey does this to me she knows it irks me so doesn't say veggies because she knows too much that's an easy one he says greens and she doesn't just piss me off would you like some green? It's worse at the market what do we need now let's get some greens

2:33:56 We're in public and I can't you know beat her like I usually do It beats by miles and miles and miles Brussels sprout Robbie spinach chard and arugula Exactly exactly. I mean those also grew at a very fast pace if we're talking just you know vegetable sales You Know they all grew from Between 10 and 15 percent. She is making it up as if she has no idea. She's totally making it out, um annually But kale sorry the k word is um is skyrocketing ahead of them Skyrocketing ahead of them sky rockets in flight Why does anybody? I will tell you just my way of closing vegetables that there only is one way

2:34:47 Go ahead. Let me just say this, the only way you can make kale... I looked at all the recipes that was going to publish. Here's my idea for a book. Tell me it is not a good idea. This may be one that could get funded. Ready? Yeah! The world's greatest kale recipes It'll be 200 pages- It exists! No no, I'm gonna do better one. The word Dvorak's greatest kale recipes will be a book with 200 blank pages in it. It's a joke book This is the finally, finally and you know what? Even this book you can't get published. You're so lazy! You're such a procrastinator even this one A book with no words you will not be able to finish I put my... It's like Christmas gift all over it I stake my reputation on it you will NOT get this done No way Not going to happen It is a fantastic idea It is a great idea

2:35:44 And it should be leather-bound, it should be very expensive looking. Don't ruin it! Here's what I think you may actually pull off... You might maybe succeed in publishing an ebook of this nature. A blank one page ebook for $499. If you succeed in publishing this book I will, you know... You can put anything you want to but even that you are so bad at this. But it's a great idea! I think it's a fantastic idea yes Yes, yes, go for closing and in the spirit of true confessions K-word chat room had another one And I will do John when you publish this okay here is what we're gonna do if Are you still with me? I'm listening If you succeed in publishing

2:36:40 The 200 best kale recipes, which is a book with a cover and just empty pages. I will do the audiobook version. That's the closing and in the spirit of true confessions K word chips you put them in the oven 450 a lot of oil salt boom delicious yum I'm just being completely out there. Well, that's good keep an open mind right Vanessa Wong a Bloomberg Businessweek Thank You Vanessa. Thank from Bloomberg business week no less Thanks for coming on this show with your lies

2:37:16 So I looked at all the kale recipes there were and the only way that seems to be worse, you could actually choke down the dish. You parboil the kale for like an...I don't know as long as you can just take the leathery quality out then you fry it with bacon fat and bacon pieces and maybe a little onion, and some salt and pepper. And you fry it so it becomes like soaked with bacon fat. This is your superfood with all of these great nutritional benefits where you have to eat bacon and bacon fat with it to make it palatable. You could actually eat that dish! It's possible even though you'd be picking away at the bacon and eating more bacon than you would be eating kale. It's bull crap! This vegetable stinks

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2:39:09 Oops, there's our 15 minute warning right on time. Perfect! Let me mark down the time John was exactly right that we are at let's see... oops let me get the here we go I just got to write these down so um i might not edit anything out just despite everybody so you can listen to it all That was more than 15 minutes. There we go, no that was actually you missed one that happened while you were playing a clip uh-huh oh 15 minutes ago and did you come to retrieve it Yes, return to me before you were done with the clip and now this is the next 15 minutes. We'll start again we have another one it and when it returns you do just laugh like You had heard the whole thing he's like whatever curry stupid clips Is that what you did yeah? I commonly do that whatever your place anyways It's natural just making sure thank you. I feel so much better. That was very it was easy onward

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2:41:02 I'll get the exact, I had an exact date in one of the newsletters. I have to go look. James Shea and Bruston Mills West Virginia Brian Fuller in San Diego California Judson Noel in Oxford Mississippi Corwin Underwood in Hamilton Ohio and Darrell Coquillette Coquillette, coquelette. Coquille. Coquillette! Coquillette! That would be the way to put it. You're right you're right. Courtland Illinois. It's coquillette with kale on the menu today and now we have James Ke4Giv Kilo Echo 4 Golf India Victor Yes I have a note from him somewhere While you are looking for the note... I got the note i got the note don't look for the note anymore I do want to read this note

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2:42:30 Yes, yes. I have a sense to say Eric. I didn't do it his birthday's on Sunday 824 He'll be 51 hold on a second BC birthday and this is whom James Richmond Virginia Kilo echo for Gulf India Victor rich 70s 33 was the donation get it yeah ke4 and when's his birthday The 24th. It was Sunday last and how old? 51. 51 is a young spring chick. How are you going to be 50 years older than you? Yeah, so that's young come on we're young word were very popular with the ladies Donald Kewel I think it's cool in windhill. It's pronounced heel could

2:43:21 Okay, well he's in Wyndham New Hampshire or whatever it is pronounced at $69. And he also Donald Keel right because he sent another 68 dollars and then he sent another 67 dollars which takes him over some mark and he calls himself Sir Don Crap so he's a sir don crap Okay. Didn't send a note, but here's another 60 bucks in two years now great news desperately need some race car karma as some karma for him at the end there and he also says hold on the third one is $67 it says sir Don again and to call out to Brian Mancuso The douchebag who hit me in the mouth? He's getting married So now it's 69 plus 68 plus 67 is 204 and totally worth that so I get an associate executive producer for this show too

2:44:11 We have to bump him up. Tricky, very tricky Sir Don okay So then he gets the- He does get a Karma car or whatever he wanted A racecar karma I don't know what that Give him a karma Yeah i'm happy to give him that Race Car Karma You've got karma Don't trick us like this people It screws up the back office What do you think we are? NBC Yeah, we don't have that kind of expensive help that the NBC suits have. Chris 6666 parts unknown Taiwan Stacey Saint Amand in Kingston Ontario 6666 and Isaac Chase 6660 Colorado Springs Sir JD the Baron of Silicon Valley comes in at 6464 out of San Jose

2:44:59 And we will always read him because he's a baron. This is mac and cheese donation from the Twitterverse, I had to make sure you got at least one 6464. This is also a Sunday morning 6 dot 46 before the show revelation so apologize for the late donation thanks for the travel karma okay? For the few weeks ago I guess it was okay for him. Frone in Bayshore, New York. 55 double it goes on the dime and the only one we have Christopher C Post Easton Massachusetts Massachusetts nuts sorry mispronounced it 5335

2:45:39 Wanda Branting in Edmonton, Alberta Canada I won't say now these are all $50 donors that it closes us out for today's show 647 50 dollars from Robert Hill and Glen Rock Wyoming Matthew a no last name unknown and missus Wow Massa Pequa New York Ross Turpin in Troy Kansas Peter totes our old buddy And finally Gerald inabinate, inabinate, inabinate. Inabinate in Union South Carolina Michael Towan in Hayden Idaho and last Shad Richend Benigo in Seattle Washington $50 I want to thank these folks for helping us get show 647 up on the internets even though we're having 15 minute blowouts and all kinds of other issues because we have a new