Topic: Jordanians

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden discusses the need to "flood the zone" with intelligence to combat ISIS. He specifically mentions the need for "ground truth" to enable targeted operations, which the hosts link to the Ground Truth Project organization. A linguistic confusion arises over Hayden's use of the phrase "human penetration" in the context of intelligence gathering.

New details emerge regarding the bombing of a CIA base in Afghanistan by Jordanian doctor Humam al-Balawi. Contrary to initial reports of a suicide vest, some sources suggest a car bomb was used to target a gym where operatives had gathered. The hosts discuss the failure of security protocols that allowed a "regular" on the base to bypass thorough inspections.