2:33:25 I have not seen anyone talk about. And this is Grinwald Dunraff, who promised us fireworks and a huge finale as part of his book The Intercept which finally now has released another news story on his blog, his 250 million dollar WordPress blog and it is a turd! It's a total news turd complete fail. He's doing his best to talk to everybody, to hype it up and we- it needs analysis... So there are a couple of interviews that he did the real turd is Shep Smith now It's funny because here's you know here's two gay guys talking to each other And it's a little like meh meh well you meh well not but meh meh meh That I don't want to generalize but yeah
2:34:24 And essentially Shep Smith says, this is a turd man. What was up with this big thing? In case you didn't know what the story is and it's kind of important I'll give you the setup. Graham Greenwell has now released a document that in some way kind of shows that the NSA was eavesdropping on email from what he calls five Muslim American leaders And that is the headline. I think the leaders thing is somewhat misleading and it's kind of like, what? This is your fireworks?! What?? Now let's listen to this Shep Smith calling him out as being a turd story... Glenn Greenwald joins us now he broke the news on his website The Intercept He's also- I love his website! That's where it starts!
2:35:16 Oh, and website. Your website! Glenn Greenwald joins us now he broke the news on his website The Intercept He's also the author of the book No Place to Hide Edward Snowden The NSA And US Surveillance State Ed was on a you were on the program with us what? A couple weeks ago and then this got delayed a little bit You were talking bombshells and fireworks and all that Glenn to be quite frankly Frank in today's news cycle This is being played below President Obama being offered a puff-puff pass in Colorado I mean was there more and i'm missing it? It's gotten a lot of play we just posted it last night at midnight um you know the New York Times has a very long article on it that... Long article! They got a long article
2:36:03 I mean look, the fact is that there are people who look at the targets and will think oh that's only Muslims. And even though they're my fellow Americans i'm not really bothered by it This is a hey take that! Shep what you don't care about Muslims brother? I think sometimes thats part of it but...I think the implications are sinking in nicely Are there more names or more people where some wouldn't cooperate? Help me understand the bigger picture Yeah, we... I mean this is a really hard story to report. For one thing we wanted to make sure that anybody that we reported were very comfortable and weren't blowing up
2:36:39 legitimate ongoing investigation and at the same time a lot of people did not want to be publicly identified as being targets of the FBI or the NSA for fear of stigma that it would produce. This is very interesting, oh now there's stigma? Now you're protecting people all of a sudden because they didn't want to cooperate? Very interesting! And we wanted to honor peoples wishes in that regard and not drag them unwittingly into the public light especially if they were private individuals so all these five were people who were willing to come forward and speak out. We felt like they were very illustrative cases, five is a manageable number to report and our investigation into this list is definitely ongoing." Is this the finale? Is there more we're going to learn from the Snowden documents? In other words, yawn! Yawn what?! And listen to Greenwald come back... Or is it just the finish
2:37:28 No, I mean i have stories that are already written in fact that still will be published. Publish them! No no that's the worst thing you can say I have stories already written but not publishing them just yet. And you certainly won't be getting exclusive anymore, Shep Smith. surveilling all of us, but this puts a human face on the kinds of dangers that can be presented to dissidents or people who criticize the government from the most invasive forms of surveillance. So it's important but not the last." Okay now so it's-it's a dud from a news perspective I mean if you-if he could only have said the NSA was eavesdropping on Duck Dynasty
2:38:22 Or anything of that ilk. Or Kate Gosling! Anything? It would have been fabulous, but no he has none of that and what's worse is this story is really only slamming the Bush administration. Faisal Gill was a GOP operative and served in the Department of Homeland Security under Bush. The spying allegedly continued through 2008, in a joint statement the Department of Justice and the Director of National Intelligence say that government values privacy just as much as national security...and that it's entirely false that U.S. intelligence agencies conduct electronic surveillance of political religious or activist figures solely because they disagree with public policies or criticize the government
2:39:21 So he's, yes. Well I was gonna say a couple of things one you expect these if you're in the government at the level of national security anything you have to assume that they're looking at everything you do. I mean it just makes sense to me. Well we are going to get to that now The second part is course...I don't know if you read this but But I don't know what the deal is with Paul Carr, the guy that the Pando Daily brought over. Yeah, and Carr of course has got some something about Greenwald. Stick up his ass about Greenwald yeah. And but it's great because it brings up the obvious. That's not... tell me the obvious but that's not the real kicker? What's the obvious in this case is that Greenwell only brought this up because it condemns the Bush administration he will not say anything bad about Obama administration right because Omidar
2:40:09 part of the Obama administration and then it's implied that Omidar has Greenwald on his payroll to shut him up because he is all part of the whole Obama deal. Drive My Car, is his name. Pierre Drive my car Yeah I don't use that Well yes, thats the obvious but thats not the kicker Now here what is... so whenever this happens The way it works in media land is they're looking for something to grab onto. What can we make of this turd, to dress it up and make into something that we can shout a headline? And they've only got one thing and it's very sad for Gregg Greenwell, don't Raph. Because it is just not important in the whole story. Well so let me just correct a couple of things in your report and one of your questions The list does talk about spying between 2002-2008 but the spying on these individuals who are in front you and also the other three we named
2:41:04 took place 2006, 2007 2008. So in the case of Faisal for example it was many years after he was ever at that council It was actually during a time that he was the Republican nominee for the House of Delegates seat in Virginia And so you know the question that you asked him about what about these clients that you've represented There are all sorts of people who represent highly questionable foreign governments Bob Livingston the former house speaker represented Muammar Gaddafi of is writing things like Mohammed raghead and using ethnic slurs against Arabs and Muslims, documents we've seen before from the FBI in the NSA raising further questions about what the motive is. So it's so dumb... Mohammed raghead? It's so dumb that the only thing that Greenwald could turn this into because he got called back or whatever- He was told to shut up You're right of course by DriveMyCar who was told to shut up by the administration no doubt
2:42:21 They hate Muslims, they call them ragheads. Towel heads! It's horrible I can't believe this!" And that's the only thing the administration is responding to saying well we have to have sensitivity training this is not good but here's the kicker John... I'm waiting Who are these people? Do you remember when there was a letter sent by the Senate Security Committee Unfortunately, Bachman was in there and of course she went over whatever she does is immediately deemed a nut job about
2:42:58 High-level Department of Homeland Security Consultants who had high level security clearance. All right, right, right? These are these guys Nihad Awad is the executive director of care CAIR the Council on American Islamic relations who were indicted as being a a front to raise money for Hamas. And this is 2012 that this has been taking place! These are the people that they've been going after and not a single person is mentioning this, and this guy Faisal who did not disclose everything I researched at Faisal Gill
2:43:45 He did not disclose that he had worked for the American Muslim Council before he took his job at DHS. And this is well documented, that they did not disclose it and that's why it became a problem and that's why the Senate Security Council brought this up in a letter and said hey we gotta be careful with this because you know this is Muslim Brotherhood stuff and they even came up with a bill, you know. I think there's a bill now to make the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group. This is when it was all Muslim Brotherhood, Muslim Brotherhood and these people are all related to the Muslim Brotherhood...and now somehow they're getting put up as oh,
2:44:29 Oh, they were being called ragheads in the Bush administration. What is going on? Why is no one making this connection? You work for the Department of Homeland Security you know that this nation is under constant threat you have all people must understand sometimes investigators and look in places and they don't find anything but it's important for them to look. Absolutely, I have no problem with surveillance. Surveillance needs to happen but there has to be a reason for it There has to at least something in my background that would lead someone to believe that okay this person should be suspected of some questionable activities that I obtained my security clearance. So clearly all that was disclosed and it was proven that it was disclosed, there is just nothing there in my background and the other thing I would just say lastly is the FISA court has a very high success rate. I think like 99.6% or something ridiculous like that if you were to go to any county in the United States and look at the success rate for obtaining a search warrant for any crime breaking and entering robbery it would not be that high so clearly there's something wrong with
2:45:32 And just very briefly, you think it was because you're Muslim? I can't think of any other reason. Absolutely. No other reason. Yeah, we hate Muslims! So this is very strange and I do not understand why Jake Tapper, why Shep Smith. Anyway all of the no one is bringing this up and saying hey wait a minute aren't you the guy that you know that the Senate was going after because they didn't know what your background was? Muslim Brotherhood... What is this John?! Why is no one bringing that up? Is this to make these guys good or
2:46:10 This is, there's something going on here. Copy flat-footed because I don't know why they haven't brought any of this up? This has to... There's something nefarious about it. There's something amiss So first of all let's just analyze this in real time so there's no mention Of all of this stuff that was happening during the Obama years and by the way It's a perfect opportunity to slam Bachmann or any other Republicans isn't it? It's perfect It seems like a slam dunk, but they're not doing that. Instead they're saying well you know it's just because you're Muslim and your Muslim American...it's too bad Casey Kasem is dead because usually they roll him out he's like I'm an American first before my Muslim... You know this no one is saying anything about this and this was big! This was only year-and-a-half two years ago. This was a big deal in the connection to the Muslim Brotherhood and this Nihad Awad guy. Well okay here's one possibility
2:47:08 with Abedin or whatever her name is. Huma Abedin, yes. And her connection to the Muslim Brotherhood through relations and her insight into the White House at some point because she's got connections she probably... I think if you look deep enough there's a Valerie Jarrett connection and i think they've decided to hush this up because It's possible that they're still looking into something that is going on now with some people who are currently working within the White House or around the White House, or have some connection to it. And they've decided just not
2:47:44 discuss it because either they're in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood at that level, which is always possible. Or they just don't want to talk...they want to keep a lid on it because there may be something's you know they got their investigating something that needs further investigation so they're just gonna let it slide well So one of the two I don't see a third possibility I guess it may be a whitewash. Maybe there was new information coming out, you know... Play the new information clip! It's my favorite. It is pretty good. Yeah it was um uh you know that there were new investigations coming or... I've got information man! New shit has come to light! Something was going to happen and maybe it's the same old players again and Muslim Brotherhood connections who knows what? And then
2:48:35 I know that Greenwald delayed the release of this fireworks because... Right. He's been, he had this is he said because he's now apologetic This is not the Grant Greenwald who I know! Yeah well Grant, he also I think his good in a final throes of selling as many books as he can and he's done cuz I think he was essentially bought off Oh yeah no doubt It was like I don't know how much money would take to shut a guy up permanently but But I would guess five million bucks in his bank account in Brazil is to shut up and get out of town, stay out of town. Sign this thing and if you do violate this we will shoot you kind of thing. And here's $5 million dollars and just go away and stay away after your... Well I gotta do my book! I got a sell more books! Okay well let you go through that but then you're done. You're done. Your out
2:49:26 I think is a possibility. And this other thing, as obviously is...I think you've nailed it. It's covered up for some specific reason and in my opinion could only be one of two things. One the White House has knee deep in it they're all connected to the Muslim Brotherhood as we speak That's..I'm pretty sure that that has to be. That's a possibility and the other one is there was an ongoing investigation then they managed to put a gag on the whole thing Because this is a bullcrap story. It's fireworks! No fireworks, the fireworks probably would involve the White House. Yeah it doesn't even come close to the White House. And he keeps out of the completely away from the White House as much as possible which I think you know Carr noticed but yeah this is over for him. He's done and he's gonna work on some memoirs or something like that.