Preemptive Prosecution

00:00 Squirrels are winning the cyber war. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's Sunday, June 15th, 2014. It's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 626. This is no agenda. Celebrating joint resolution of Congress approved April 24th, 1972 as amended 36 U.S. Code 109 and coming to you from the capital of the drone star state in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I'm contemplating the question does a bear crap in the woods? It's Father's Day! I'm John C. DuBois. It's crackpot and buzzkill! That is indeed joint resolution of Congress April 24th, 1972. It's law.

00:42 What, bears crapping in the woods? No, Father's Day. Oh. Only in the United States I'm told by an Australian who was irked by my last little newsletter. Oh, you mean, oh really, Father's Day is different in other parts of the world? Yes, if you look it up on the wiki you see every place has its own day. It's funny, I know that Mother's Day is different around the world as well. Yeah. Even Belgium and the Netherlands, which are adjacent countries who share some common language. Father's Day in the United States began in Seattle in 1909. It's another manufactured holiday, but there's nothing you can do about it. Well, I have here the... It's over a hundred years old. I have the presidential proclamation. Oh, good. What do you mean a hundred years old?

01:26 It's only 100 years old. No. In the United States. No. Look up the wiki. I'm looking at the present... Do you believe the wikipedia or the president of the United States? Wikipedia. Therefore I, Barack Obama, president of the United States of America, in accordance with a joint resolution of the Congress approved April 24th, 1972 as amended U.S. Code 36, section 109, do hereby proclaim June 15th, 2014 as Father's Day. So this apparently was only made official in April of 1972. Well, you know, I remember when I was a kid. Oh yeah, here we go. They had Father's Day before 1972. Right. I think it's been re-made re-official or maybe it was just a Hallmark holiday. Maybe that's when Hallmark was founded. Is that possible? No, no, this actually began in Seattle in 1909 as some sort of a local thing.

02:28 Oh really? Yeah, let me see if I can find it. Father's Day was founded in Spokane, Washington at the YMCA, I'm sorry, in 1910. Oh. By Sonora Smart Dodd, who was born in Arkansas. Its first celebration was in the Spokane YMCA, June 19th, 1910. Her father, the Civil War veteran William Stewart Smart, was a single parent who raised six children. After hearing a sermon about Jarvis's Mother's Day in 1909, she told her pastor, the father should have a similar holiday. Hell yeah. Although she initially suggested June 5th, her father's birthday, a conflict of interest, the pastors did not have enough time to prepare their sermons and the celebration was deferred to the third Sunday of June. So Father's Day is, in the Netherlands, is today. Oh, is it now? Yeah, but I haven't heard anything, so maybe she just hates me.

03:24 That's possible. Yeah, well it wouldn't surprise me. Oh, thanks. I'm just kidding. This is a light-hearted show. I bet you got a note from some guy saying that a lot of our listeners are getting depressed by the news. Did you see that note? No. Yeah, some guy says, well, you know, we got a lot of donors because I sent out a plea for more donations because our last show was so terrible. And everybody picked up the slack and I really appreciate that, we both do. But somebody sent a notice and said they run into other No Agenda listeners just casually because there's actually quite a few of them in the country. And a lot of them said, well, they're getting depressed by the show. And I told the guy, I said, we try to keep it light.

04:11 And it's supposed to be your you know the enlightenment you get from understanding how the this operates of the news cycle works And how we're being duped is not supposed to depress you it's supposed to give you the you know the ability to To get through it. Let me have this self is depressing well Yes, I before we had something. I just I got to talk about just for a second before we move anywhere Thursday we had a show After the show, I uploaded everything, boom, you know, got everything published, jumped in the car, and drove up to Dallas. Now, do you recall what you did on the show Thursday? I had clip of the day. Do you remember that you... do you remember the title of the show? The title of the show, yeah, well no, I don't offhand.

05:04 Touching the stick? Yeah, touching the stick. This was the title of it. And I told you not to do it. Oh yeah. Do you realize that we had for the first time that certainly I can remember but in a long time anyone can remember tornado warnings in Austin. Hey, hey, don't blame the stick, blame global warming. I was ahead of the storm as I was driving up to Dallas, but Mickey was like, oh my god, be careful. I had, you know, of course I had all of my amateur radio equipment on board and all the guys are talking about the storms. The sky, the Skywarn team. Yeah, well you have to bear with me. Your truck now with the two 40-foot antennas makes you look like a storm tracker. Oh, so I, we definitely have to talk about HamCom, but let me tell you, I, my antennas is nothing compared to what I saw in Plano.

05:56 Oh, the guys who like complete ghostbusters outfits. It's completely nuts. Yeah, yeah. Enthusiasts. I want to talk about that in a minute, but there's a couple things we got to take care of. First of all, you sent out a newsletter which was a real call to action for our producers and you and I, I think, both are now realizing that this podcast feed issue is a bigger problem than we thought. And it needs to be discussed again for a number of reasons. One, because it is a real

06:36 Problem with the cloud or the centralized services model that we've all become so accustomed to and also really I have been one of the few people to fight against yes, also the the app culture What is that? Yeah, exactly so just to reiterate briefly I think two years ago we changed our podcast feed. We mentioned it several times on the show. We've always had the new feed on the home page of all web pages where we have the show available. told people to change, you know, check your feeds, etc. and then put what is known as a 301 redirect on the the feed from Mevio.com. And this is an internet standard. It's nothing complicated. And I think most technologists understand that this is... you implement these and certainly with web applications

07:31 You implement a certain... if you see a 301 redirect from anything, from a web page or from an RSS feed, it is supposed to tell your application, oh, this feed has changed, here's the new feed and you should no longer use the old one. It has an RFC number and everything, it's a very standard, particularly with XML feeds. But you have this app culture... And there's a couple things with that. One is all these podcast apps think their unique selling proposition is their directory and their ease of subscribing. Well, I think in pretty much all cases it blows. Because what they've done is they've imported a database or they've created themselves or I think

08:22 In our case, people have submitted our feed maybe to their favorite app and so there's three or four different versions. But one thing's for sure, in a lot of these big podcast apps, They do not recognize the simple 301 redirect command, and when, as we expected, and why we had done this two years ago, when the Mevo feed finally shut off, it broke a lot of these apps. Yeah, two years! Yeah, and so, and here's an example. I came home yesterday, and I hadn't actually told Miki about this, although I think she saw the tweet, but not everyone really cares about the underlying technology like you and I may.

09:01 And she was talking about the market. She went on Saturday, of course I was at HamCom, and she says, oh man, Farmer Chris was freaking out. And I was wrong. And Farmer Chris, if you want the best eggs in the world, you go to Farmer Chris. If you want onions that he plants at the certain moon cycle, you go to Farmer Chris. If you want to troubleshoot your smartphone, you do not go to Farmer Chris. So he has an Android smartphone. And he was like, oh Mickey, I'm so upset. I couldn't listen to the show because I think my memory is full or something. But see, this is it. So there's no proper warning, whatever it is. And I said, oh my god, he has exactly the problem. And so Mickey texted him and he was using Stitcher. Now Stitcher

09:51 is one of these apps that I think certainly in the Android world a lot of people use. And the thing that really bugs me about them not changing the feed, and I believe it's still broken at this point, is this is the company that gives away a free app and inserts audio advertising before every podcast. I think if you press pause and you press play again, you get another ad. And so they're essentially putting ads into our show to subsidize the not-so-stellar work, I would say now, of their application. And a lot of people use this. I don't know how many, but looking at where we were with our donations past show and the show before that, I think we can easily deduce that this has been a real problem for us. And this is not the only example. And so I wrote a piece and I said, please, you know, reach out to your app developers. I don't know if people have... I know some people have done it.

10:49 Well, let me mention this a little, let me interrupt you for a second. Producer Andy writes in to me, he just CC'd me a note he sent to this company that does Slapdash Pro, Slapdash being the appropriate word for the product. I use your premium version of Slapdash Pro on Windows 8.1, trying to add the feed manually, which you should be able to do on any of these, does not work and it gives no option but to match the wrong feed. Sir Wunderhelm uses Bing Cast, which is also a Windows app, and he says it has three incorrect feeds in there. You can add manually, but of course on a Windows phone you have to copy-paste a feed. It's not the easiest thing in the world. And he sent an email to the feedback.

11:45 link on the app and it immediately bounced, you know. The email doesn't work. Thank you. But so here's a snarkier note that I got from Scott Olson, and he responded to your newsletter. He quotes your newsletter, it's possible that we've lost some of our audience due to the fact that too many of the early listeners were not paying attention and remained on a MeVIA RSS feed that we left two years ago. It continued to work until last week but suddenly shut down for good. Where they were they the only ones becoming executive producers? And so Scott says yeah, that's all fine and good But it's all but it's you all that need to resubmit the working link to the services to reach your audience We can't do that for you. It's your business model. It affects no no I never submitted a

12:29 our feed to anything except iTunes, and I did submit the new feed to iTunes. No, you're correct. I don't know where he's coming from, but most of these feeds are put in by listeners, not by the shows themselves. I didn't even know half these things existed. Slapdash? I didn't know that. I never heard of that either. Never heard of it. But so here it's very obvious that either you have a true central an open source central repository that everybody uses, or you keep it completely distributed, which I think that's still kind of a better way to go. He's like, oh, here's a feed I want, click, link, put it in. But you get all of these centralized services and this is the result. And they have no process. I mean, come on, Stitcher, they're losing their own revenue

13:22 by not having our show available for playing. So what kind of business is this that they don't know that something's broken? They don't recognize it, they don't see it. So, you know, the centralized thing, it's bad. It just doesn't work. And particularly when it comes to apps. What I'm most afraid of is a lot of these apps, they may not even have a way to access an external feed database. They may have to do an app update for all I know. Can you imagine that? So it's a pathetic situation, especially when it comes to podcasting. I want to make sure everyone out there ever thinks about maybe someday doing a podcast to consider this issue here where we were going through one system and we had to move it. And two years later, we gave everybody fair warning and all the modern links were hooked. I'm actually blaming myself. I mean, I can't believe that. I think at the time we did say, hey, tell your your app creator, but we should have. I'm like, come on, 301 redirect. It's

14:21 It's simple, but the app culture. I think the app developers Particularly you know you get what you pay for free apps. They're cutting corners. It's and even our own What is the What is our app the pocket no agenda app broke? This is pretty sad it is yeah, yeah, you know so And so we were already wondering like, wow, you know, donations kind of fell off a cliff and then two weeks in a row no executive producer or two shows in a row no executive producer. And I'm humbled, I have to say, by the stepping up of support that we got. Yeah, we had no executive producers at the time of the newsletter. And then when I wrote the newsletter, a lot of

15:10 Of our real supporters stepped into that role. Yeah, and we have now we have a ton of them Yeah for this show anyway, we'll see what happens next week or next Thursday But most most importantly we really end up I'll put it in the in the show notes again the explanation and maybe we should do like one of those form letters for Like what you do for your senator or congressman, you know dear fill-in-the-blank app developer. I Please update this feed remove all other instances I can't I've seen people tweeting at stitcher. I know they've sent emails and yet. There's no update Nobody home

15:52 It's a business. It's essentially a vending machine. There's nobody doing anything. They just set things up a vending machine Yeah, it's like talking to a vending machine. Hey, you're out of your out of Mars bars vending machine took my dollar Hey vending machine. Come on. What's wrong with you? You know, it's a very good analogy You put the dollar in you see the little spiral thing turn but then no Mars bar drops out. It's just an empty spiral Yeah, that's sad. That's what we're getting Man oh man. Well alright, so please imagine how much these guys actually get from those those Little ads that they drop in on the show well. I think it's a real company house, and I think it's a real company this stitcher outfit. Let me see

16:43 Aren't they let me see are they admit are they may even be funded are they VC funded? I don't think so maybe if they are then I would write to the VCS and bitch to them Let me see you guys are invested in this company. What are you kidding me here? We go stitcher in the crunch base. Let me see what it says here. Yeah founded 2008 18.7 million dollars in funding They got $18.7 million dollars in it, although they've obviously been spending it on parties. So they got 2.7 Series A in 2008, $6 million in 2010, and another $10 million in 2011. So they're going through it. So they've got, well, yeah, that's, well, let me see, April... So they got $16 million in 20... Oh no, that's a year later. Well, so they got a burn rate of about a million a month, probably. Doing what?

17:38 Stitcher's an online radio service allows individuals to stream news, entertainment, sports, and talk radio onto mobile devices. Stitcher's in-house personalization engine serves up only the most relevant, engaging, and user-specific content for a unique listening experience. So, Venture Capital, New Atlantic Ventures, I guess, to kind of the C, the A. Then we have Benchmark. Benchmark's not dumb. Ron Conway. He's one of those like angel-y guys. Yeah, he's around all the time. Who's on the board? He's famous. Yeah, so people... Let's write, everyone should write Ron Conway and tell him what we think. Yeah, well tweet him. He definitely is on Twitter. Yeah, tweet, let's just get him. Let's get his thing. Oh God. Yeah, really. Well, we need the help. I mean, seriously. Twitter.com.

18:39 I'm gonna search up Ron Conway, I'll find it. Ron Conway, of course he probably has a secretary doing it. Nah, I have a feeling he does it himself. I don't know if he's even on there. He's kind of like a Jason Calacanis type, you know what I mean? There he is. I think this is him. How many followers does he have? It's at Ron, R-O-N, C-O-N-W-A-Y, he's got 60,000 followers. That's not bad. And the last tweet though is June 14th. So he doesn't tweet all the time, he does like one, here's a series of his last tweets, his last four tweets. June 10th, June 11th, June 13th, June 14th. So he's not like a serious Twitterer. He is a, once in a while he gets up and

19:25 Says stuff like this. Here's on June 10th. Thrilled with court's ruling in Vergara, California now leading the charge to put students at the center of public education. Yeah, boo! Another one. Congratulations to Lindsey Graham, South Carolina, the latest pro-conservative to win his primary outright against anti-immigrant opponents. Alright. Yeah, okay, so that's that. So I don't mind bombing him with complaints. Tweet bomb him, yeah. Yeah, tell him that his investment is... Just so people understand, because I'm just reading the chat room, Stitcher puts audio ads in front of any podcast. Which, by the way, when all this podcasting first started, that would have been such an outrage if Mevio had done that or Podshow at the time. Hey man, you're stealing my content!

20:23 That's exactly how they sounded. And so I don't care. You know what? Same guy. It's that same dude. Have you ever, have you ever had to do, do you have one, do you have just one keyboard that you're working with? Right. Yeah. Yeah. I have, um, Well actually I have a second keyboard hooked up. So for a number of... When you use a wireless keyboard you always keep a second one at the ready that's wired. Well for a number of reasons I have two keyboards that I need to use doing the show. Why? For a number of reasons. I mean it's just a temporary thing. I need a different monitor because in order to run you can't... The MacBook Air which runs the show now has a Thunderbolt

21:06 output which doubles as a monitor output but you can't hook up just a regular DVI monitor and the Thunderbolt connection so you have to have an Apple monitor that connects to the MacBook Air and then from the Apple monitor you can connect to the Thunderbolt. So then I would just have one keyboard and one monitor. Because I don't have that, I have another key... so I have a secondary keyboard and at least 10 times each hour I'm typing on the wrong keyboard looking at the screen going, why am I not seeing anything? This is stupid. Anyway, pay no mind to me. Okay. Okay, so please help us out with fixing the feeds everywhere possible. Yeah, it'll stabilize things and I won't have to send out alarming notes like this last one.

22:02 Which did even out the bad Thursday, but it was like, you know, I don't like having to hound people to that extreme. Before we get into a lot of topics today, I feel it's kind of our something unique to the No Agenda Show that I can give you a technology perspective of something you may have never heard of. And that would be HamCom. I'd like to give you a little report of my work. HamCom. So let's back this story up a little bit. So Adam, you took the long three and a half hour drive in your truck with the big antennas and the gear and the flamethrower and you went up there to Plano, Texas. I did indeed. Now this is not the Mecca.

22:40 of HAM conventions? No, that would be in Dayton. That would be Dayton, but we were in Tokyo, so that'll have to wait until next year. But this is a miniature version, I guess, of Dayton, and it's in Texas, so it's an interesting type of audience, I would say. You don't have to fly anywhere either. No. So it's a three and a half hour drive, and I had the truck patched up a little bit and a couple of things that needed to be done after the break-in, and I got the dashboard put back on, and So I had my entire gear and I'm driving up and as I said, I was ahead of the weather but I was getting lots of reports on the two meter band. And now this is like seven o'clock in the evening, it's one of those beautiful Texas sunsets, I'm kind of in the middle of nowhere and I'm talking to guys from Arkansas and on the 40 meter band.

23:33 It was with five watts from the car. It's pretty interesting doing 65 miles an hour It's just that was just kind of a geeky moment anyway, so I arrive up there And I just booked into the Holiday Inn Express Which is you know one of those it's a convention center in Plano so the whole town is convention center except for I guess Ross Perot's EDS and And now it's 930 and there's no room service in the Holiday Inn Express, but there's the Denny's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and in this parking lot, John, fantastic. I feel a very deficit here by not having my ham call as my license plate. Oh, what? No. Wait, you've got two big antennas and you haven't got your call letters as a license? I know! How bad is that?

24:25 That's that's uh, I would say the faux pas. And there's guys with antennas on it was just funny I mean big you know the Texas bug catcher which has you know like a big coil in the middle and you know guys with 20 antennas on and uh, just really funny to see So I'm at Denny's and so this is the now this is kind of my two days. I don't want to talk to anybody I just want to hang out I just want to be quiet and and I'm looking at the menu and it's and it's that moment you're tired You've driven three and a half hours when you realize that I'm only five years away from qualifying for the Denny's senior citizens discount Since when is 55 senior? What is this bullcrap?

25:13 When did this start? Uh, this Denny's just looking for getting more customers. That's not very common. I didn't like it. Generally speaking, it's 62 and I'll tell you something. It's great. You're funny. You take the discount everywhere, right? Oh, yep. The inter, you get it. It's just cheaper. You get it. You have my son is actually annoyed by the fact that I get what's called a senior because I'm 62, a senior clipper card. Clip a card a clipper card which you get you a public transportation Bart the be it on the bar Yeah, not anything with this card And it's like essentially I can write on Bart for free and how often do you do that? I never not that much, but when I like if there's some meeting in San Francisco, and it happens to be near a bar station I'll always take Bart cuz it's like I don't to pay the bridge toll I don't to pay the ridiculous parking in San Francisco. It's like I get ripped off or they try to give you tickets Hey, you know what?

26:14 You're sounding like every guy at the Ham Com right now. Well, you know, they gotta take advantage of these deals. So there's a couple of different audiences at this convention and I did learn something and there is something I think there is that I did gain real knowledge which is why I'm in there. These are my people. Well, 60% of your people, of the audience, which would be your people, It really hams our amateur radio operators who are professional preppers, you see. And everything they do to justify their hobby is always prefaced or followed by, in an emergency situation... I'm not kidding. It's always, if the lights go out, then we'll be ready. But no one... I gotta ask you a question about this before we move on. Did anybody recognize you?

27:10 I got two in the mornings from people who knew I was there. No one else recognized me. Well, that's not bad. No, well, there was no agenda ham. I think there were two more who we just didn't connect. There were probably four no agenda hams who were at the ham convention. That's better than nothing. Young guys too. Yeah, so but this justification is it's it's really quite sad Because there's there's I think there's very few actual examples of ham radio operators saving lives of course there are Katrina well in fact A lot, I heard, I sat in a lot of these sessions and they said, Storm Sandy, no no, they said we could have done this at Katrina, but we didn't have the people who knew how to do it or something like that. So yes of course there's examples, but nowhere near the, you know, the allure. Not what it should be is what you're trying to say. No, it's,

28:11 Okay, actual emergency services really don't want these guys in the way with their yellow jackets and all this and They don't the FEMA people didn't want any help down and they let the place get out of control Yes, but people could have helped. Yes, and and I don't want anyone to take this wrong, but it's just I And you can also just say, hey, I just like talking on the radio. It's a fun hobby. You don't always have to say, and I'll be there in case of an emergency. Bullcrap. You just want to talk on the radio and talk. Or whatever and and a lot of these guys, you know have physical disabilities, which makes us a great hobby you know, it really does and a lot of veterans who you know, they man I had lunch and You know you sit outside and there's a bunch and you know the veterans radio relay leave you got all these guys and I mean It's like I was I could hand I could have handed out every single person could have had a no agenda CD It's all you hear is ah

29:09 Yeah, well this IRS scandal, man! You didn't hand out any no-agenda CDs? I only had 20 with me! I didn't know that the whole place was gonna be no-agenda-ized. So it was just, you know, it was a little... and I... where are you from? KF5SLN? Austin. Oh, that's not really Texas. Oh, thanks. All right, whatever. And there's this big controversy because now the ARRL, the American Radio Relay League, which is the club, have determined that Ham Radio shall now be called civil service instead of an emergency service. And these guys are beside themselves. They're so mad. Because now they can't have the emergency sign on their car.

30:00 And the emergency service on their jacket has to be... they don't want to be civil service, they want to be emergency. So that is a little pathetic. Although of course I'd be happy if, you know, if a ham could help in an emergency and save someone or communicate. Of course, I understand. And I do that too. But you don't have to always justify your hobby with that. Okay, so that's 60%. Now there is a new crowd and these are really hackers. And it's really beautiful to see, and hackers and makers, besides the obvious Japanese manufacturers, you know, ICOM and Yesu, and the Chinese, you know, the cheap jack crap that's flooding the market, which is great by the way, because you can start in ham radio for 35 bucks, you got a brand new two-band VHF UHF handheld.

30:44 Everything else is really American ingenuity and manufacturing. So there's tuners and amplifiers and antennas and everything looks like a 57 Chevy. No style, it's like really big fins and big metal and sharp corners. You're saying, I want everyone to hear this, you're saying that a 57 Chevy has no style? It's not a modern style for today. Oh, but does it have modern style? Yes. That's different than no style. Okay, I'm sorry. It has sharp edges, the Japanese stuff is kind of sleek and rounded and nice, and even that is not stylish, but

31:29 That's beside the point. The stuff that's being sold outside of the brand new manufacturer radios, even Elecraft, which I have, is American radio. And there's a real industry around that and it's nice to see. You know, these screwdriver antennas that have servos that go up and down. It's just outrageous stuff. But what I was most interested in, of course, was digital, because this is what all the younger guys and girls, I'm sure they're out there, who are getting into this, are really interested in what you can do with digital. And so the two sessions I wanted to see, one was D-Star.

32:07 DSTAR stands for Digital Smart Technologies for Amateur Radio, and it was developed by ICOM. It's been reverse engineered, although ICOM still is kind of the only radio manufacturer that uses this digital technology, but there is a company that makes a little USB plug hub that you can plug into your computer and you become a basically a D star radio access point. So it is it's the technology is available for people to make but right now it's it's kind of all Icom and that's really why I was never interested because I kind of believe the all the yelling and grousing that this is proprietary technology and it really isn't.

32:51 So I wanted to find out more about it, and I was really blown away by what this thing is. And the talk was given by Pete Lowell, who I actually knew from the APR—we talked about APRS, right? The kind of text messaging for ham radio? Yes. So he developed all the Java APRS servers. I didn't know that he was doing this DSTAR stuff. So with D-START, with a ham radio, you can essentially make a connection, a 128 kilobit data connection, which is pure Ethernet. It's just encapsulated in Ethernet being processed through the air. So you could sit there at the ham com and hook up a computer and surf the net at 128 kilobits, which is, you know, considering

33:35 What's really going on this is pretty amazing, but more interesting is that this worldwide network of these D star repeaters where you can...it's kind of like a...it's like Twitter in a way, where you can talk and send text message to a group in one area, but also you can address someone directly regardless of where they are in the world. So if you wanted to reach me, and I have my radio set for that capability, you can just select my call sign and no matter where I am in the world, you'll be able to send me a message and we'll be able to talk, complete digital voice, great clarity, within an instant.

34:12 That's pretty cool. Yes, it's very cool. And of course that it's kind of a it has its own digital network, but it rides on top of the internet so you can do a lot of that. With the technician's license? Yes. So in other words all of our listeners could do that easily? Yes. Because the technician's license by the way for anyone out there wants to get one is easy. Like yes, extremely easy. And so where this is So it's kind of like a... what I like about it, it's a private... not really private, but it's a social network that is always going to be non-commercial. I like that. You have to take a test to get on it. I like that. What kind of a test do you have to take? You have to memorize some questions and answers. I mean for the... Technician's test. Oh no. Just to become a ham, yeah. Oh, I thought you meant to get specific... No, no, not for D-Star. No, no, no, no, no.

35:08 and you can expand the network and you can hack around and you can get it on from your computer. So it's very similar to the EchoLink stuff except it's built in. So you don't have to go through the hassle of finding a repeater and all this crap. But also it really does work with these radios. And I don't know, I was very impressed by the addressability, the routing, and the quality is stunning. And you can talk and send text at the same time. So it's pretty nice. And I think there's a future for that, purely as a social network. And of course, in an emergency, we'll be able to save you.

35:47 The second session that I was interested in that I went to was the broadband meshnet. And this is done by a guy named Glenn Curry with an IE. He's from Round Rock. And I spoke with him outside of his session for about an hour. These guys are insane. So what they've done is they've taken old Linksys Wi-Fi routers, which I'm sure you have ten of them just laying around the house. And they've hacked the firmware. They also now are able to do this with Ubiquiti devices, which is really nice because these new Ubiquiti... it's a brand... access points, they have better antennas and more power and just newer hardware. So they've modified the firmware so it broadcasts in the ham frequency spectrum.

36:35 And you put your antenna up, or if you're lucky, you know, you can just use the access point as is, and it finds other nodes and connects, and you're connected to this mesh network, which is a one megabit backbone. And there's thousands of these nodes worldwide. It's unbelievable. And of course they tunnel through the internet to these other nodes across the world. So you can become part of a new internet that again rides on top of the internet, but also it's a local network by itself. So in Austin they have a pretty, well actually all of Texas, but a pretty wide network and they're using this military concept called DTN, disruption tolerant networking. So they have email service on this network, which you can also tunnel to the internet of course if you want.

37:29 And this guy, he has to drive from somewhere north on... Isn't DTN just ultra wideband? No, no. Disruption Tolerant Networking is... they also use it in India, but the idea is... It's a store and forward network. So you're part of this mesh network, but you're not connected to the other mesh network in San Antonio. There's just no physical connection. There's no mesh to that point. So this guy happens to drive from San Antonio to somewhere north of Austin every single day, and he has one of these systems in his car with like a tube antenna

38:09 He drives by all of these mesh networks, and he has in his car a server handoffs with yes a server with all of the email and because it's a megabit per second You know if he if he sees one of these mesh networks with a server for a minute and a half He's able to transfer all the email while he's driving by and he's able to pick up whatever is coming back subversive Hey, and in an emergency I tell you we'll be able to save the day This really is very interesting. It's pretty wild. It's cool, it's very cool. And of course they have VoIP running on it, so they can talk to each other again. Why? But there's some really cool stuff going on, and people are building all this with Raspberry Pis, and there's a lot of interesting stuff going on. It's a great hobby, and in an emergency we can save you. Yeah, okay, okay, I'm gonna get to a point on that.

39:05 Yeah, and it was a... Wow. Yeah, but so those two things, D-Star, I was very negative on the whole idea. I'm kind of like a hardcore like command line guy, like, ugh, it sucks. But once I got the lowdown on the D-Star, I was very impressed. Now you can't buy a D-Star for 35 bucks yet, because you pretty much default to ICOM. But I know these Dongle guys have figured it out, so I think people can get the spec and build some... maybe build it into one of these cheap Chinese radios. There's a lot of room for this. And I just think it's an interesting... You know, I mean you haven't been able to really set up your local repeater, etc. With this thing, you just search, it finds a frequency, you key the mic, it loads all the gateway and all the information automatically, it shows you what you're looking at on the screen, you have to manually program all that stuff. It's really nice. That's the kind of thing you want for your little social network.

40:03 And yeah, I encourage any No Agenda ham to feel free to reach out to me, KF5SON, and I'll talk with you. I don't have to do anything, it just rings, you know, oh okay, hey. Hmm. Well, I'm glad you got something out of it out of your little trip. Well, I think it's there's there's more There's more to it than what you know on ham. What is it ham weekly or whatever? What's that show? Bob Heil Bob Heil yeah, I Felt that what I don't know. I haven't been to one of these fests but but I was under the impression is essentially a large parking lot

40:42 with a bunch of guys with their trunks open. Oh, oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. With a bunch of dusty gear, yeah. And they all have their trunks open and they're all selling, buying and selling each other's gear for whatever price. Yes, that's really sad. I don't think that's sad. It's a classic swap meet. You do that with 45 RPM records, you go around, hey where'd you get this old doo-wop song? I collected it back in Jersey. Believe me, I walked through the parking lot and I was saddened by what I saw. Why, was there no good gear? No. No, it was just junk. Oh, junk. And there was junk inside too. And then every, because they also had a flea market as well as the vendors, and every three or four tables all of a sudden there'd be a lady selling cosmetics or a handbag. Yeah. And actually I tweeted it. There was no blender salesman there. I tweeted it. There was someone, he had, you know, a couple of radios and some batteries and then a huge box of Beanie Babies. No. For three bucks.

41:45 There's your market. The future of Bitcoin. The future of Bitcoin. So anyway, it's worth it. Check it out. Anyone can get their basic ham license, technician license. You just have to do the test. It costs five bucks or whatever. It's worth it. It's cheap. It's easy. Yeah. It's fun. And you have one just in case of an emergency. Yeah, you can save the world. Exactly. Let me see. Well, I'm sorry to bore you with all that. Well, you know, they could have skipped this part. Yeah, I think it's interesting. I find it interesting. I think we do have a lot of technical people that listen to the show that are always kind of on the cusp of going to get a ham license and getting some call letters they can put on their email. Or on their license plate. Or the license plate, if you want.

42:37 But it is an immediate, you are in an immediate club. And it was cool, I got a couple of no agenda hams pinging me on D-Star. I forget where Nate was, it was like, I don't know, a whole other state. It was nice, you know, it's just another way of communicating. Do you want to thank the executive producers or should we go into a little bit of news? Well, no, let's do that and then we can get into the show proper. Well, then let me thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. In the morning to you, Ham Adam Curry. And in the morning to all the ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. Resume normal activity. And in the morning, all the human resources in the chatroom, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.

43:25 And thank you very much to our artists. I think for the second show in a row sir Nussbaum Grabbed the the honors Another great job on the art. It's on a roll. Yeah, NoahGenArtGenerator.com, please help us out. For some reason, and now I really don't know, we have all these feed issues. Now some of this, you know, now some of the art's not even showing up, the whole show's not showing up. So we're working on making the art work everywhere once all the feeds get reinstated. And so we started, going into this, as I was driving home, you said, oh my god, we're screwed with this feed issue. No executive producers for the second show in a row. And then you sent out a newsletter and man, humbled I am by the support. Yes, we have actually now we have a, from a paucity to a dearth. We have 22 executive producers.

44:26 Damn, it's like it's like okay. Well when it rains. No there are people out there that give a crap Yeah, so let's thank these these fine folks and starting with the Grand Duke Which we still waiting for the have not received his jingle yet, and do David Foley I may have to make one if we don't get the the official He gave us nine nine nine nine nine I TM John and Adam and close find a little something extra I hope it helps the terrible Thursday donations, and it does thanks for continuing to deliver the best podcast in the universe That would be David Foley will always speak in this voice Because he's a Grand Duke

45:10 Sir Mark Wilson, $400 from Glasgow, UK. Gents, saw the call to arms in the newsletter, thought it would be a good time to top myself up to baronet. Having been a crap time of late, so some karma would be appreciated. You need some karma. Cheers. Absolutely. Thank you very much, Sir Mark Wilson. You've got karma. And here's someone we haven't heard much from of late that I can recall, Sir Dallas Spongberg. From Alberta where all the money is $381. Oh by the way, I got an email about that. About you saying Alberta where all the money is. Yes, only if you're in the oil business. If you're not, you're poor and really angry when you say that. Okay, but that's still where all the money is. Just letting you know. I'm just...

45:58 You know, get in the oil business if you're up to it. The mineral business is also big. I saw the newsletter and thought I should donate once more to the... Oh, cue jingle. The best podcast in the universe. I don't cast with promise, though they may do well in my last two diploma exams in the coming weeks. You guys rock and I never want to see no agenda die. I also like to wish my Dad, Black Knight, Kelly Spongberg, Happy Father's Day. Father's Day list. And some karma. You've got karma. At some point in the show, it's like a lot of people came in on that. I came up with this idea. Yeah, so this is a little weird though because it's duplicate. I have the Father's Day sheet, but all those are also on the regular sheet.

46:46 I asked Eric to get a special list of Father's Day because there was some of, because on the regular, I didn't, there's reasons for that. And which will be revealed to us at some point? I don't know. James Dobler in Wiley, Texas, where all the money is. 333. Yeah. A couple of weeks behind in the show, saw the emergency call, the action, the news, I'm happy to contribute. Here's a donation in memory of my father who passed away in 2006 from lung cancer at the age of 54, taught me the importance of thinking for myself. and I think I would have enjoyed the show. I'd like to request a fuck cancer and some general karma, maybe a brolf too. That one never fails to crack me up. Let me see, where's my brolf? Okay, yes, I think we can do that. You've got karma. That's one hot brolf, baby. Or maybe he meant something else, but I think that's a good one. No, no, he went brolf. Thanks, brolf.

47:43 Is it Wolf Blitzer? The Wolf Blitzer? Oh, yeah, I have that one. Dr. Fauci, thanks so much as always for joining us. Good to be here, bruv. True. You know what? It always cracks me up too. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Stephen Huners in Holmen, Wisconsin, 33333, you saw the call to action and acted with the easiest digest to hit, but no time to request a proper show-worthy call-out. Gotta go, he's in a hurry. So that's all we got. Sir Adam of the Lobster in Plymouth, Minnesota, 33333. I just saw your note, don't have time to write it lengthy, another guy in a hurry, but I hope this donation helps. Thank you, you two, for all you do and all your courage.

48:28 I didn't claim a name when I got my knighthood a while ago, but I would claim Sir Adam of the Lobster. Good to go. Sir D Rosa, same donation, 33333. See it's all the Knights, right, who jump into action. That's great. Greetings from Black Knight D Rosa. Hopefully other supporters would join the bandwagon and many did. Jason Fortune, and I think I looked for email from him. He came, he's an associate executive producer, $250. Let me just take one more look. I don't remember. I can take a look too. Fortune. F-O-R-T-U-N-E. I have nothing in the emails. No, I got nothing. No. Okay. Okay, so he is a 250 executive producer, associate executive, Gerald Small in Chesterfield, Missouri. 23456. Thanks for keeping us all sane and happy Father's Day, guys. You two are the fathers of reality.

49:24 Shout out to my dad Trevor Small in Ottawa, Canada if he taught me more than school ever did. Good for him. That's what he's supposed to do. School's not supposed to teach you everything. Jason Witt in Marlton, New Jersey. 23333 and I miss the idea. I have an email from him. No, I have one from Alan Morris though. That's what I got. Alan Morris is next at 220-222 and he's out of Utah and he did send a note. Donate at 220-223 through PayPal to help with the cause. It's a call out for two dances. Yes, I know Club 33 is a smoldering hole. Private dance for Adam by Miss Mickey and Mimi for John. A little bump and grind for Father's Day to bring a smile to your face and warm the cockles of your heart.

50:02 Like a good slave, I'll be toiling in someone else's vineyard tomorrow, but I'll catch the show on Monday. In closing, let me say that Carthage, err, correction, uh, Iran must be destroyed. Okay, uh, and I zoomed down the spreadsheet, sorry for the delay. Greg Brinkman at 201 in Mount Zion, Illinois. Dear Amos and Jedediah, thank you for the hours and hours of service you give. Donating from my friend William Doty because of your dire circumstances. Both of us greatly recently graduated. In fact, William gave a graduation speech that opened with, good morning teachers, student, faculty, boots on the ground, feet... I bet you just pooped yourself if that happened.

50:48 Anyway, John's analysis on school lunches is spot on. No one eats those sweet potato fries. Currently, I believe our schools are the clearest example of neglect in society. A $4 million or so grant was given by ADM to our school, specifically for athletics and restoration. All of this is being spent on athletic programs despite cracks in the foundation of the high school, built sometime before World War II. Hopefully his bulletproof blankets will protect the kids that still go there later when the dip falls over. Stupid blankets. Another example of schools being ridiculous is that a member of the school board is also suing the school. Why, you ask? Because his son didn't start first string on the football team.

51:37 Anyway, please give us some don't look over there take that to the bank karma to start our college careers and perhaps John Could give some advice on getting published as a freelance writer if you'd be so kind good luck in your donations. We both appreciate the show Thanks You've got So Joseph Frost and Wood Dale, 200 bucks. Happy Father's Day, Adam. And oh, he's got some Portuguese names which don't come out on the spreadsheet. And I'll get to those names later because I can pronounce those names.

52:13 I'm all in on the World Cup in Brazil. I was playing some video poker between matches in the Friday bar on Friday and hit four of a kind for a big payout. Every bit of my good fortune, enjoy every bit of my good fortune, which is the $200. I got another note about, which was kind of funny, about the World Cup from one of our Brazilian listeners. Yeah. And this is from Bruno. And of course he says the Dutch are brilliant, fantastic, everyone here is a fan of the Netherlands, of course they won 5-1 or whatever from, was it Italy? Spain. Yes, Spain, Italy, whatever.

52:48 Besides that, he said, Dutch people are friendly and nice. The team was roaming around their hotel with no security and had a Brazilian super warm reception and entertained themselves in our best paradises. Meanwhile, Americans are in an ultra protected hotel in Sao Paulo in the middle of a huge city full of military personnel protecting them. What is wrong with us? This is a real problem. This is really, this is stupidity is what this is. This is something that has started with Americans that, you know, you know that we need all this protection. Even the Pope, you know, the Pope's like, I don't, you know, I got nothing to lose. Shoot me if you want to. He doesn't have his protected Pope mobile anymore. You know, there's something strange about the psyche of the American with, you know, that we're going to be killed by, well, that's what it is. We're gonna be killed by terrorists. They want to kill us. You're a soccer team. Enjoy.

53:40 Well, especially in Brazil where you can have a ball. Hello? Can you say... You know, you need, you maybe want some one guy that keeps you out of the wrong part of town, but... Or takes you there. Well, that could be possible too. Anyway, yeah, no, that is ludicrous. Sad is what it is. Uh, okay. Onward. And we will talk about the World Cup and we will make our predictions. When it's time. People keep pesting, pesking, pesking, pesking. Peskering. Peskerging. They're peskerging us. And so, but we have, we'll have our thoughts and it's not, there's no hurry. It's not over yet. It's funny though, there's a big match in Ghana versus US or no, yeah, Ghana versus US on Monday. And apparently it's going to be in, I guess, Natal, which is in the middle. I've been to Natal. It's right in the hottest part of the country. I can't imagine even playing soccer there, but it's apparently been storming like 36 inches of rain or something has flooded the field. Not that I care.

54:39 Chris Johnstone in Perth, our favorite town in Australia, 200 bucks. First time Associated's EP, thanks for producing the best podcast in the universe. The tip a couple of months ago about the pizza brining on labor worked. The pizza Bryant what piece of my wife was booked I am for a cesarean section, so I'm going in the lid Oh, okay. Yeah, if you eat pizza when you're pregnant, you're supposed to you know any minute you're gonna give birth to pizza. Oh, oh Yes, it's no wives tale, but it worked worked for buzzkill jr. He gave birth. Yeah, I

55:17 Pizza, pizza happened. Oh, when he was born you mean? Yeah, when he was, you know, me was waiting to, you know, eat some pizza, boom. That was the end. Okay. Michael Oakley, Gatineau, I think it's because the, I don't know, just doughy. $200, Gatineau, Quebec. Salute, even though mostly USA-centered, I enjoy listening to the best podcast in the universe. Rebecca Foster in Maynardville, Tennessee. I couldn't find a note from Rebecca. And she has one to send, we'll read it on the next show. Chad Wilson in Euless, Texas, 200 bucks. Ashton Bantaff, Springfield, Missouri, 200 bucks. A lot of $200 is very interesting. In the morning this donation is for de-douching for my boyfriend, Bo. He is listening to No Agenda, or as I call it, No Agender.

56:06 for almost one year and he's never made a donation. What? I'm making a donation on his behalf for his birthday. I don't know what we would do without the entertainment and knowledge provided by you two. You truly are the guardians of reality. Keep up the good work. Can we get a fuck cancer for Bo's mom, Jobs Karma for me, and just send your cash if that isn't too much to ask? Well, of course. So first we got to do a little deducing. You've been deduced. You've got karma. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water. Just send your cash. Well, there you go. Jim Reed and Irvine, California. 200 bucks. Don't give up. Karma for everyone. Yeah, okay. Karma for everybody. You've got karma.

57:03 Matthew Johnson, East Troy, Wisconsin, $200. ITM, gentlemen, your analysis lately has been fantastic. I really love telling people that Hillary Clinton is the most qualified person to run the empire. I threw that out of company. John's emergency bat signal email to get me to donate beyond my monthly donation amount if I could get a de-douching and a karma that would be great. I laid that one on a couple people there at Hamcom as well. You want to see a you know 67 year old guy with a Vietnam veteran cap when you say Hillary Clinton's uniquely qualified to run the Empire like

57:40 Have you seen my 50 cal son? You've been de-douched. You've got karma. Thank you very much. And finally, Anonymous from Mill Valley, California, $200. And that includes our executive associate executive producer list. And it was a good one from show 626. And hopefully I think now is the time if you want to get to the top of the list. Thursday would probably work out. Well, thank you very much, especially our Knights and everyone who became an executive producer or associate executive producer. These are real credits. They are valid wherever credits are accepted and they are no different from Hollywood credits. I saw that Angelina Jolie became a Dame, so...

58:23 If she can become a dame from the Queen, anyone can become anything. It's just we keep a list and we have nice rings and everything to go along with it. You know, it used to be, I think in the 1800s, illegal to accept these honors, these damehoods and knighthoods from a foreign government. Yeah, that's right. You had to renounce your citizenship. Yeah, you'd have to renounce your citizenship if you're going to be a knight of the British Empire. Hey, you're an American. Oh, well. Though, well. I renounce Jolie. Me too. We will be doing another show on Thursday. Of course, we need your continued support. Dvorak.org slash N A. And today we need a very special formula propagation for all of the podcast apps out there. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Shut up, slave. Shut up, slave. Exactly.

59:29 I got one for you. I got a clip for you. For me? Yeah. Okay. This clip is right for you, after we did our analysis that we began the analysis of the Iraq situation with ISIL or ISII whatever you want to call it. ISIS or ISIL. ISIS or ISIL. So here is McCain on the Senate floor. What do we need to do now? Obviously, the first thing I think we need to do is call together the people that succeeded in Iraq, those that have been retired. and get together that group and place them in responsibility positions so that they can develop a policy to reverse this tide of radical Islam extremism which directly threatens the security of the United States of America and it's time that the president got a new national security team. It's time

1:00:21 that he got a group of people together that know what it is to succeed in conflict. And I would say the leader of that would be General Petraeus. I would say that General Mattis is one. I would say that General Keane is another one. I would say that Bob Kagan is another one. Kagan! Oh yeah. We have some production going on. Well this is a recurring theme with the... Bob Kagan! Here we go. Rubble! Brought to you by Clan Kagan. Here's McCain on... what show is he on here? Well, kind of the same... By the way, let's stop for a second and remind everyone that Noodleman, who's the stooge for John Kerry, is Bob Kagan's wife. Yes.

1:01:11 Robert Kagan's wife and Robert Kagan is married to, is the brother of Frederick Kagan. He's the true Project for New American Century, Neo-Con. And then there's the sister, which is Elizabeth? Am I saying that right? Kimberly. Kimberly, Kimberly. Yeah, of course. Kimberly Kagan. And she runs the the War Institute. That's what I call it. Here's McCain talking for the study of war. Yeah, here it is McCain. There are no good options right now I'm sorry to say and just to say airstrikes obviously is Is not the answer either because it's very difficult in a very fluid situation as we're in today

1:01:49 You need to call in General David Petraeus and Jack Keane and the folks at the Institute for the Study of War that predicted this and other, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker and others. These are the guys that won the war. and get them to devise a strategy and then implement it with tactics. I don't know exactly if the airstrikes right now are exactly the answer. I'm not sure because I don't claim to be that smart, but I know there are people like Jack Keane and General Petraeus and others who are that smart. And I know that this team that he's got around him now ought to be fired. You named some very

1:02:27 Just one second. Who are you calling on to be fired, Senator McCain? Everyone on the national security team. They've been a total failure. The totality of the Obama administration's national security team? Just like I called for the firing of Donald Rumsfeld back under the Bush administration when we were failing in Iraq, yes. A couple of things here. First of all, he said these guys won the war. Yeah, what? What? What? They won the war and then he brings in his buddies the... Kagans! By plugging the Institute for the Study of Killing People in Brown People and Sand. And that of course is the Kagans. Now... What is he up to? Well, there's a lot going on. I think I have discovered some things. Can I play one clip before you go on? Yes, please. I just want to make sure we get a little balance here and let's see what John Boehner

1:03:23 What John Boehner has to say about all this. Now they've taken control of Mosul. They're 100 miles from Baghdad. And what's the president doing? Taking a nap. What? Taking a nap? What? That's what he said. What? Okay. Thank you for your input. Anyway, I'm sorry. Just that no, I like it. I like it taking a nap. All right in the show notes We got a lot of things in the show notes. So the producer JB actually has done a great rundown I'm not gonna go through it all be has all of the stories about Kurdistan and of course, you know, this is

1:04:00 This is a lot of this is about the Kurds in Kurdistan and of course this involves Syria, this involves Turkey and you know we... Oil fields. Oil, yes. And so I want to focus on some of that. First I want to say here I have, this is a clip of an Iraqi army deserter who is talking about the Iraqi army. Now most of what you'll be hearing on the mainstream media is, oh we spent 25 billion which, excuse me, we spent that in a month. 25 billion, that's nothing. That's nothing. Are we spending a billion a week? Something like that. 25 billion is nothing, it's bullcrap. That's a low ball number.

1:04:45 And just a little bit, you'll hear him in a translation about the state of the Iraqi army. We were on a patrol and we saw the second division, the division before us, leaving in their cars. The soldiers told us things are falling apart. Our commander told us to leave. The prison and the central command in Mosul has fallen and we are leaving. ISIS had taken over the Badrush prison, 40 kilometers away from us. The two top generals arrived and they changed into civilian clothing and got into civilian cars and left. I watched the generals as they left. The problem is not with the soldiers, it's with the officers.

1:05:33 In 2004 I was fighting and we saw that the lieutenants and the colonels in the US Army were standing side by side with us and they were raising our morale. Now I have some unique insight to this as I was in Iraq end of 2003 beginning of 2004 for a couple weeks with the Dutch Marines at Camp Smitty and as part of the propaganda piece of the tour we were taken to many of these training camps where the Iraqi security forces were training, were the, what is it, the coalition forces were training the Iraqi army.

1:06:12 And I believe we've talked about this on the show, that I found it quite hilarious because these guys were like Dad's Army, if you've ever seen Dad's Army, the old British sitcom, where they'd be training and like, you know, and the commandant would say, about face! And half the guys would turn right, the other half would turn left. You know, they were dropping their weapons. It was a complete sham, this training of the Iraqi forces. I'm sorry. I believe a lot of military personnel would agree with me that the training was bullcrap. Apps, just, you know, set dressing if anything. So the Kagan's are deeply involved in this and there's a lot of... if you look at the website, which I took some time to look at that... what is the Institute for the Study of War,

1:07:09 They basically lay out what is going to happen and they even say here's what's going on now ISIS is going to Baghdad That is the next spot if they haven't reached it already by the time you hear this podcast So this is what the Kagan's and the neocons who got us into Iraq the last time and they're now running the show and I think our analysis is pretty much spot-on that this is only about the pipelines in the oil fields and I have a little bit of detail on that. So according to the Kagan's, ISIS will seek to target the seat of Iraq's government in the green zone. This will probably be a symbolic target rather than an operational one.

1:07:49 But that is what they'll be doing next. So they're going to Baghdad to open the routes. ISIS needs to plan to break the ISF controlled access to Baghdad from the supply routes. They will do this by seizing control of the waypoint cities themselves. So you can look at the map and you can see what's going to happen, but just go to this website. ISW... actually they have a blog about this. ISWIRAQ.blogspot.com. This is the Institute for the Study of War. I think it's interesting that they have Blogspot. And have you seen the ISIS promotional video? No, I haven't, but I have seen some interesting videos I want to talk about. They have this Hollywood-style video. Actually, if you go to isisfilm.noagendanotes.com

1:08:38 I've been making me look up two things at the same time and do this is is film singular no agenda notes calm Isis film and this is a like a snippet. I mean, I just want to take a look at it because, you know, they use the drone and it's like super, you know, zooming in and this is for a bunch of terrorists. This is kind of a nice little bit of production. The full-length video has been pulled from YouTube, unfortunately, and the message says, this video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy on shocking and disgusting content. You can, can you turn the sound down? You can just watch it while we're talking about it? If I turn the sound down, it turns it on down on YouTube. You can turn down the YouTube sound, the volume on the YouTube. Ah yes, I can. Yes. Just, I just want you to see the, the spinning drone and you know, it's, it's amazingly well produced. I will, I want to mention that I, so I went to a baseball game at the, for the, and I was given a car.

1:09:44 a driver as part of the, it was a company event for NetSuite. So the driver is from Lebanon. And I always sit in the front seat of these cars. I'm not sitting in the back, I feel like an idiot. So I sit in the front seat and I pull in at him and have a conversation with the guy. And he pulls up a bunch of videos that are, they say that's a violation of YouTube. This video that apparently all these Lebanese and everyone's watching, which is supposedly a couple of maniacs from ISIS driving down the freeway just gunning down everybody.

1:10:21 was like he says it's just and this video went on forever and it was just you know these people would they have a 50 caliber submachine gun and they stick it out the window of their car which is not everybody and they're just shooting people just you know just randomly and it's very reminiscent of those kind of home videos that these stupid kids do when they go around town with a paintball gun or baseball bat hitting hitting mailboxes Yeah, bum-rolling or any of that stuff, but it was like sick. So you see that there's money in production in this thing? You see that there's... Yeah, this is a lot different than that video, that's for sure. Okay, now here is what the mainstream media wants you to believe, that this is a sectarian fight, and this is all about religion, and as a part of that we have the ISIL, and by the way, both are right, ISIS or ISIL, except one means state and one actually means the region, which is Levant.

1:11:16 which is important in a moment. You'll hear about that. That was mentioned by Kimberly on the last show. Right, so it's the same group, but it's really the ISIL for the Levant because it's about the region. But the mainstream will be talking about ISIS as the Islamic State because they want to make it purely about religion, which of course that's part of it, but that is not the real reason behind what is going on. This is why your No Agenda show exists, is to give you this type of analysis. And ISIS has released The Ten Commandments for Islamic Rule. Notice it's ten commandments and I'll give those to you right now. People, you tried secular rulings and they gave you pain. Now it's time for the Islamic State of Imam Abu Bakr Al-Qasari. That's number one for some reason. For those of asking who are you, we are soldiers of Islam and have taken our responsibility to bring back the glory of the Islamic Caliphate. Number three.

1:12:08 We took the money from Safavid, that's the, I guess the 500 million dollars in Mosul. That is rumored to have been... 425 actually. The money is now public. Only Imam of Muslims can spend it. The hand of anyone who steals will be cut. Four we ask all muslims. They got the money. We ask all muslims to be on time for prayers in the mosque. Five We warn tribal leaders and sheikhs not to work with the government and be traitors. Six no drugs, no alcohol and no cigarettes are allowed. Seven for the police soldiers and other infidel institutions you can repent we have opened special places that will allow you to repent. That's good. Eight

1:12:45 Gatherings carrying flags other than that of the Islamic State and carrying guns is not allowed. God ordered us to stay united. Nine, our position on shrines and graves is clear. Simply all will be destroyed. This is what the mainstream media will focus on. Is destruction of religious landmarks. I love showing that. 10. For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if necessary. This is very typical. Okay, so that is their Ten Commandments and the mainstream media is meant to focus on some of those in order to bring you information that is not relevant. Which makes you wonder about their origin, but go on. Of course.

1:13:29 Regarding the pipelines, and so I've put a lot of work into looking what goes where, and there's two issues at stake. As we discussed in the previous show, the pipeline from Iran through Iraq to Syria to the Russian port that the port in Syria that Russia owns, that is being disrupted and blown up. And this is why I'm pretty sure that the Kagan's are involved in this. The oil that the Kurds have, and a lot of it is coming from the Kyrgyzstan, which they now have captured, they also have the refinery, or Kirkuk, I'm sorry, Kirkuk, they have the refinery now. They have the pipeline that goes to the Botas terminal. And you can, this is the

1:14:18 Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. That's the one that terminates in the terminal. This is in Turkey, Ceyhan, C-E-Y-H-A-N. And BOTAS is the outfit that is running that there. And if you look at the map, you'll see that this oil goes from Iraq around Syria to the north into southern Turkey. And then of course from Turkey it goes into Europe and we have gas pipelines and everything is going into Turkey, but mainly this Ceyhan terminal. And the Botas petroleum pipeline is owned by and has partnerships with all of the usual suspects. But this is very interesting because it also does

1:15:11 fit in with the Tbilisi and Baku pipelines. They also terminate here. So this was an existing spot, but now we're just routing around Syria. And if they can get their way, but I don't know, they still want to bring the gas up from Qatar. But right now the Kurds are piping the oil into Turkey to the north of Syria and doing everything to blow up the pipelines that go through Syria. So this is also an F-Russia story. But he's... Yeah, and the Kagan's are an F-Russia operation. Of course, of course, because we know the Kagan's are in Ukraine. So all of this is F-Russia and get the oil into Turkey. But I will tell you that Turkey needs to watch out

1:16:04 Turkey is not necessarily free and clear. But now some interesting things happened. I was watching the president's speech about not going back to Iraq with troops and I found out some interesting things. Let's listen to this little relevant bit of him. This is, I think, two days ago. What is that? Multi-threaded application? Did I... I'm sorry, did I somehow... Not clip the beginning of this you become did he become a JavaScript code? What the hell is that I have a feeling that I?

1:16:41 Let me check something Well, I want to play a clip while you're doing that Because you mentioned that they got the media is going to focus on one thing or another. I think that's not necessarily what you Mm-hmm, but you think they're gonna focus on because well, I'm gonna focus on something else. Oh, I got it I got it Mike Morrell is on CBS now Mike Morrell of course the second in charge at the CIA is now working for CBS News and And although I don't believe he's working with CBS News because Scott Pelley introduces him not as like Mike, our correspondent, but Mr. Morell. Former Deputy Secretary. Have you ever heard, you know, you got a guy working for you?

1:17:22 And you call and you defer as Mr. Devorak, like on this show calling me Mr. Devorak. What do you think Mr. Devorak? Yes. Oh anyway, so here's what it's all going to boil down to. And this is Morell's kind of take on it. And this I believe will be the litany overall about what this is all about, even though this is totally contrary to what we're promoting, but this is where it heads. So, Scott, this is no longer an al-Qaeda terrorist group. This is now an al-Qaeda army. I think we have to think about it this way. Bullcrap! I do think that they have the capability to threaten Baghdad, but I think that Iraqi forces and I think that the Iranian help that they're now getting, and they're likely to get more,

1:18:21 means that it's going to be very tough for them to actually take Baghdad and I doubt that that will happen. What's at stake for the United States? The extent to which that this group can have safe haven in western Iraq could mean a base of operations from which they could attack the United States, the United States homeland and that's something we really have to worry about. No, please. Is that a great clip? Oh, please. Yeah, it's not clip of the day, but please, please. I just cracked up when I heard that. And to say that they're not going to Baghdad, he's probably not. He's not in the right

1:18:59 In the right group. Well, it's funny. There are three I've noticed there's three theses One is the one you've already expressed the second one is the ones he's expressed and the third which is on PBS you hear that a lot on the radio, which is that the Iranians are gonna come in and yeah like that and then they're gonna take over Yeah, I've heard that too and then they're gonna take over the whole region and then it's gonna go nuclear nuclear nuclear And there this is buzzer that's gonna bring us into it. You know what this is. This is the The orthodox the Greek Orthodox priest prophecy You have to listen to this one. This has been around for a number of years

1:19:39 So this is, and I can't find an actual source, but I found the forums and the threads, you know, 2011, etc. And this is apparently from the Greek Orthodox Saints' Prophecies. I quote, In the beginning, Turkey will take six miles of land inside the Hellenic territory. That would be Greece. However, this won't last long because Russia will engage the war. Together, Elas and Russia will capture Constantinople, which of course is Istanbul, and Turkey will be defeated. This will result in the descendants of the Catholics that captured Constantinople in 1204 to fight against Russia. This will result in the beginning of World War III which will happen in 2014. This was written in 2011 so that's kind of funny.

1:20:23 Elas won't fight this war at all. Before the war begins, Russia will have to conquer all the land until Israel, including it. Then the West will fight back and the war will happen in the territory of the Byzantine Empire. Half of the US forces along with Germany, Great Britain, and more countries will attack Russia from the West, while Japan and the other half of the US forces will attack from the East. The war will be devastating and as one of the saints mentions, the war will have 700 million dead in three days. Finally, by 2017, the war will end having no winner as the prophecies state. At that time, the only thing the prophecies say is that Constantinople, Pontos, and Ionia will belong once again to the Elas. Turkey will be split into three and one part will go to Elas, one will go to Armenia, and one to Kurdistan.

1:21:13 There's some there's some things in there that I think are viable. The splitting of Turkey. Yeah, totally see that. Which they've been resisting forever. The whole Russia thing being attacked from the west and the east. Interesting. Yeah, it's unlikely. There's Chinese in the way. Hello. Alright, the second Mike Morrell clip. Yeah, he wraps it up, but you can tell that this is like this. I believe this to be one of the thesis that is put forth that CBS will be propagating and they are a White House spokeshole. You know, I wonder you were at the CIA during the entire 10 years of America's involvement in Iraq What is it like watching this territory being taken? It's a great movie It's it's it's disappointment It's bordering on anger You know hundreds of thousands of US troops fought there to remove Saddam and to bring stability to Iraq

1:22:14 Iraq. Many, many CIA officers serve there and it is a real shame to see that stability erode and it's now virtually gone. More than 4,000 Americans having lost their lives to secure this territory in that time. Mike Morrell, former Deputy Director of the CIA. Thanks very much. I want to ask you a question just to kind of slow this down a little bit. Why did we go to Iraq in the first place? weapons of mass destruction. That was to, right, to capture, stop or whatever, but that wasn't the real overriding theme. It wasn't stability either. No, it was because Saddam Hussein was selling oil in euros. No, but I'm talking about overt, which is regime change. Of course, yes. We went there for regime change and we got it. So why do we need to even care what happens? We got regime change, which is to get rid of Saddam.

1:23:11 And we did. We got rid of him and we got regime change and now we can see what happens. Our involvement should be zero in this deal. And our involvement... is on the one hand zero, I don't know what just happened this quick. Mission accomplished! So President Obama said we are not going to send troops back to Iraq. That is very clear. He said all options are on the table. Yeah, no, but something else is happening and I found out what. Okay. And I got clued into it by watching my favorite show, the State Department press briefing I believe Matt from AP was saying, is this not a total failure? Obviously, the withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 was not a mistake. We, that was a decision made with the Iraqi government consistent with the US-Iraq security agreement, a decision and a timeline that was set out by, let's see, 2011 for, no, longer than that.

1:22:14 Iraq. Many, many CIA officers serve there and it is a real shame to see that stability erode and it's now virtually gone. More than 4,000 Americans having lost their lives to secure this territory in that time. Mike Morrell, former Deputy Director of the CIA. Thanks very much. I want to ask you a question just to kind of slow this down a little bit. Why did we go to Iraq in the first place? weapons of mass destruction. That was to, right, to capture, stop or whatever, but that wasn't the real overriding theme. It wasn't stability either. No, it was because Saddam Hussein was selling oil in euros. No, but I'm talking about overt, which is regime change. Of course, yes. We went there for regime change and we got it. So why do we need to even care what happens? We got regime change, which is to get rid of Saddam.

1:23:11 And we did. We got rid of him and we got regime change and now we can see what happens. Our involvement should be zero in this deal. And our involvement... is on the one hand zero, I don't know what just happened this quick. Mission accomplished! So President Obama said we are not going to send troops back to Iraq. That is very clear. He said all options are on the table. Yeah, no, but something else is happening and I found out what. Okay. And I got clued into it by watching my favorite show, the State Department press briefing I believe Matt from AP was saying, is this not a total failure? Obviously, the withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 was not a mistake. We, that was a decision made with the Iraqi government consistent with the US-Iraq security agreement, a decision and a timeline that was set out by, let's see, 2011 for, no, longer than that.

1:24:06 What year are we? We're in 2014. She's a little flustered and confused. Sorry. A decision and a timeline that was set out long before 2011 is I guess what I should say, back in 2008 if I remember correctly. We stand by that decision that was made. Now, obviously, in circumstances like this, there are steps that we've taken given the increasing threat, whether that's the counterterrorism fund that this president announced just two weeks ago, or the increase in assistance we've given. We're not going to make an evaluation that something is a success or a failure because we're continuing to work on it. So I heard that and I went, whoa, hold on a second, I missed something.

1:24:47 An anti-terrorism fund, the president announced. Hmm... What exactly is an anti-terrorism fund? You know, it's counter-terrorism is the word she used. Yeah, but it is an anti-terrorism fund. Here is the president's announcement of that, um, at his speech at West Point. So earlier this year I asked my national security team to develop a plan for a network of partnerships. Partnerships? From South Asia to the Sahel. The Sahel, hold on. Today is part of this effort. The Sahel is, uh, that's the entire strip across Africa. From east to west. I am calling on Congress to support a new counterterrorism partnerships fund. Counterterrorism partnership fund. Of up to five billion dollars, which will allow us to- Five billion dollars?! Train, build capacity, and facilitate partner countries on the front lines. And these resources will give us flexibility to fulfill different missions.

1:25:42 Including training security forces in Yemen who've gone on the offensive against al-qaeda training Supporting a multinational force to keep the peace in Somalia multinational force Working with European allies to train a functioning security force and border patrol in Libya security force a critical focus of this effort will be the ongoing crisis in Syria. Uh-huh as frustrating as is there are no easy answers there no military solution that can eliminate the terrible suffering anytime soon. As president I made a decision that we should not put American troops into the middle of this increasingly sectarian war and I believe that is the right decision but that does not mean we shouldn't help the Syrian people stand up against a dictator who bombs and starves

1:26:32 his own people. Okay, so we're gonna help. And in helping those who fight for the right of all Syrians to choose their own future, we are also pushing back against the growing number of extremists who find safe haven in the chaos. So with the additional resources I'm announcing today, we will step up our efforts to support Syria's neighbors. Jordan and Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq. I will work with Congress to ramp up support for those in the Syrian opposition who offer the best alternative to terrorists and brutal dictators. Now if I were in the military-industrial complex and I'm already a little disappointed that we are out of Iraq and we're leaving Afghanistan and I'm here in five billion dollars... Hmm... Of course that would mean that I'm not in the loop and I'm not really a part of this and I didn't know about the CTPF, the Counterterrorism Partnership Fund. So I looked this up.

1:27:28 Now, the administration will request funding for expanded or enhanced DoD activities such as intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, special operations and other activities. To achieve these objectives, the administration will seek up to $5 billion in the fiscal year 2015 OCO request. OCO request... that is the Overseas Contingency Operational Budget. Ah, yes! Which actually... is slated to be between 50 and 70 billion dollars in this request from Congress, which is now going through the House and soon the Senate, and I'm sure will be voted in with very little media coverage. Well, there's a good article in the Daily Beast that says these guys are resisting this. Here's how I know that that is going to happen. We had a little shift take place, and that shift is...

1:28:25 Here we go. The outfit known as Constellus Holdings. In a press release, this came out two days ago, Constellus Holdings signals major news in the high-threat security industry. Academy, the company formerly known as Blackwater and Z, will join Triple Canopy along with a handful of other high-threat security companies under a new management structure named Constellus Holdings. They have now consolidated Triple canopy and five other companies into the largest high-threat security group in the world, and we know that they're already sending 5,000 consultants to Iraq. The board members of this outfit are of course, let's see, General John Ashcroft, Jack Quinn, Bobby Inman's on the board. This is a fucking bonanza. Bobby Inman? Oh yeah.

1:29:25 My boy Bob. Do you know that he just lives down the street from you? Yes, yes, we've discussed this many times. And he's good friends with my Uncle Don. And? And what? Why don't you go say hi? I'm gonna go say hi. So we're talking 70 billion dollars. Yeah, if you listen to the words, and John Kerry of course is the one that blows it. He really, he's such a moron. They're talking about security, not about armies, but about security, protection, resources. We are going to spend 50 to 70 billion dollars on these companies to continue the rubble ization and protect whatever we need to when it comes to the Kurds or whoever we have to protect. Kerry always does this. What it really is is a statement of transition that is appropriate to the timing transition from military to private sector, as expressed by

1:30:22 the military and the generals and by the situation on the ground in Afghanistan. What we are doing, what the president is doing is making clear... Nice little skip there. The president, just in case, you know, he wouldn't want to get blamed. That the United States understands its role of leadership in the world, that we are deeply committed to offering that leadership and to continuing to lead. That means giving money, not leading, giving money. We're doing so in Iran with respect to the Iran negotiations. We're doing so in Syria with respect to increased ramp up assistance to the Syrian opposition. Increased ramp up assistance? But money, sending money and arms. It's not like Kerry has a whole bunch of grenade launchers.

1:31:08 No, he has a check and he gives it to the military industrial complex and they ship the weapons over. We're doing it in the Maghreb, in the Sahel, in the Levant, in South Asia. Oh, the Levant, there you go. And in East Asia. Like the way he slips Levant in. It's in there for a reason. It's a word that nobody uses. Ever! It's just a cover-up word. Yes! The fact is the United States... Which means we're financing ISIL, IE, ISIS. We're financing it. In Syria... I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, well he's saying it. This guy's a douche. So in Syria, with respect to increased ramp-up assistance to the Syrian opposition, we're doing it in the Maghreb, in the Sahel, in the Levant, in South Asia, and in East Asia.

1:31:54 And the fact is, the United States is more engaged in more places than it has ever been in any time in history. Yeah, yeah, America! But the president today is going to make clear exactly what the vision is for how we deal with this rapidly changing, more complex world where terrorism is the principal challenge. And so today he will announce a terrorism partnership fund. Notice what he says. He doesn't say counter. He says a terrorism partnership fund. He's so dumb, this Kerry. He actually tells the truth.

1:32:31 We're funding... You can't not tell the truth. That's, we've noticed on the show forever. We are funding a, the president is funding a terrorism... So everybody gets to hear it. Yeah, let's play it again. ...world where terrorism is the principal challenge. And so today he will announce a terrorism partnership fund. About five billion dollars. No, he's just telling the truth. He's just, yeah. You can't not, I mean, at some point you tell it that, you know, you either tell the truth or if you said something else, his tongue would have shot out of there. But I can't believe, and it's known as the Counterterrorism Partnership Fund, but he says terrorism is a challenge. And so today he will announce a terrorism partnership fund, about five billion dollars that we will use

1:33:19 Mohammed! Mohammed! Five billion dollars! Help train other countries. Training! Other people in their ability to join in alliances to take on this rising... Other people! What does that mean, other people? We're gonna tra- so we're taking five billion dollars and we're gonna train other people. Come on, this is insulting! To take on this rising radical extremism that challenges rule of law in so many places. Bonanza people, bonanza and it's your money. I got people standing here on I-35 begging for money and we're rubble... Screw them! And we're rubbleizing all, I mean the whole region is going to be completely rubbleized, all the way through Turkey. So, Constellas Group...

1:34:08 has also, there's this thing I've been reading where it's like they own a company called Strategic Social. These guys are fantastic, I told you this is a great outfit. Costellos Group acquires Strategic Social, global holding company, strengths and services portfolio. It says Strategic Social is a leading provider of public safety technology, business consulting and program management solutions to commercial and government customers in challenging and austere environments. You know where that is. The business and cultural synergies between Costellus and the strategic social are noteworthy. Our business operate in the same geographical regions and serve similar customers, including governments. This is the Twitter guys. This is a spin-off of Hillary. I'll be working for these guys if she doesn't become president. Yeah, no, this is just another scam. And talking about, I don't know if I should go to this clip because it is part of this.

1:35:06 But I'll segue later. Go on with your thesis, it's actually pretty funny. Well, no, I think this is perfect timing for your clip because now we have...it's all laid out. We have what used to be known as the Mineral Resources Extraction Group, i.e. the Pentagon, that has now been pushed back. And there's been a lot of crap between this administration and the military in general. And, you know, it's just not working out. The VA is no good. The big problems. Screw it. Let's get the commercial guys in here. They know what they're doing. You know, there's no bull crap. There's no coffins with flags. You know, you just pay them and they get the job done. They have no morals. Rubble eyes the place. We do not care.

1:35:46 Oh, and by the way, let's get our guys in there on the board, buy it all up. We deal with one company now, Constellus Holdings. We've taken away all of the bullcrap of Blackwater Z Academy. We've covered that up with marketing, essentially. Now it's Constellus. And we got one way in and one way out. Guys, here's what you do. Make sure that pipeline doesn't go through Syria. Protect at all costs everything that goes into the ports and through Turkey. Oh, by the way, while you're at it, let's split up Iraq. Let's make Kurdistan. Let's screw with Turkey. And we own Greece anyway. We own everything there.

1:36:27 And so we're good to go. It's a sad, disgusting display of elitist bullcrap. And meanwhile all we're getting is, well it's the anniversary of Sunnis and Siyahs and we're destroying the relics of the religion and fucking stupid. It's about money and oil and gas. Well, the American public has to be kept away from this sort of thing. Because you know, you got your guys begging on the corner and nobody cares about them and morale in this pitch that, you know, these guys are going to attack us. They're going to, these guys... Oh yeah, they're going to attack us. They're setting up shop to create their own emirate and maybe a caliphate, but there are concerns they're going to attack us. For another 9-11 type attack.

1:37:13 Which is like, are you crazy? We could just flatten the place if we wanted to. So nobody's attacking us from this area. But you know, we have to keep the public afraid. So there's this really funny report that came out from this group Salaam. And this is the... Al-Salaam? No, it's just the Salaam Project or something like that. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. And it stands for something, A-L-A-M, I can't remember. But they came up with a report, and I want you to play this. And of course, this is Russia today. The only place I could find that reported on this

1:37:49 But and as Russia trying to needle us now Russia today, of course is a very poorly run propagandist Organization, there's about ten people that watch it. It doesn't do a very good job. We are we're much better at it But listen to this. This is the pre-crime clip That and by the way, this is all no agenda things We've been talking about this all along only the apparently this report Outlines a lot more of these incidents than we ever came up with before. It's a crime. It's pre-crime Getting convicted, if you're suspected, you might cause trouble in the future. It is a practice security services in the United States have been using according to Muslim advocacy groups there. It's known as preventive prosecution. Critics say it's nothing more than entrapment. Marina Portnire explains how almost 95% of those found guilty were provoked by the FBI.

1:38:40 In a post 9-11 America, hundreds of Muslims have been arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned for attempting to carry out terrorist attacks. However, this study just released finds that the US government has played a major role in orchestrating most of those so-called terror plots in order to exaggerate the domestic threat of Muslim extremism. When examining the Department of Justice's list of 399 terrorism cases, the study found that 94% of those cases involved preemptive prosecution. That's a practice of targeting those who officials deem predisposed to committing crimes before an actual crime is committed. In some instances, the study finds that defendants were targeted purely

1:39:28 for their religious affiliations and ideological beliefs. In other instances, the FBI used an agent provocateur to recruit vulnerable individuals, luring them with cash and coercing them into carrying out a terrorist attack that was set up by the FBI. a federal informant would provide the fake explosives and instruct the defendant on what to do. This is otherwise known as entrapment. Now, the 175-page report was released by Project Salam, a group providing support and legal advocacy for Muslims. One of the co-authors told me his findings make it difficult to believe in the integrity of the U.S. justice system and federal agencies.

1:40:32 It's control issues and to their advantage. And the entire legal justification for that depends on there being a war on terror. Without a war on terror, they have no right to do this. So they have to keep this war on terror going. They have to keep finding people and arresting them and locking them up and scaring everybody. Because without that, they cannot justify the kind of surveillance they're doing. Violence, as the public has learned, is not just limited to Muslim citizens. Critics say unless there is public outcry over government-manufactured crime, that too may eventually become common practice to target anyone. Aw man, that's just propaganda from...

1:41:17 That ain't true. That ain't true. Meanwhile, the funny thing is, by coincidence, Mimi pointed out an article we ran in both the SFGate and then Reuters about the illegal, you know, this is what we said, of course, again, this is nothing new to No Agenda listeners, which is that the NSA information is being used to listen to everybody so they can make everybody in law enforcement's job easier. Right. So apparently, I'm going to read this from Reuters, the secret of US drug enforcement administration is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, which is illegal by the way, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.

1:42:00 And what they've been, one of the recent things is they have these, there's apparently a PowerPoint thing where the law enforcement agency will get this information about you from illegal wiretaps. And then it might have some criminal aspect to it that they can, they have to, and the PowerPoint presentation is about how to back engineer the issue. So in other words, they find out that you have said something sketchy and now... Why is it always me as the example? Well, you just happen to be standing in front of me. Okay. So you, so they want to

1:42:39 Get you and so they have to dream up some bullshit about how they found this out with a confidential informant told them or some other So we are under a and that's what's happening with these Muslims. They obviously find some guy who's bitching about the government Then they they pay him. I didn't know that by the way that they FBI actually comes and gives the guy money. I Here Ahmed, you know, here's a bunch of money if you blow up this place, I'll help you. And you know, the guy ends up following, he's a dumb guy. But this is like, the situation, the way it is now, it's just out of control with the, with these illegal wiretaps and the frightening of the American public in general. And this also falls right into the whole idea of the six-week cycle, which is exactly what the FBI is doing, and that's not

1:43:25 Not just because they want to do their job, but they need to keep their job by continuously proving that they're doing something of good value, like stopping terrorist plots. That is pure entrapment that they have all the way up to giving the guy the phony baloney keypad. Hey, press this. Oh, you pressed it. You're arrested. Yeah, there's something funny about it. Well, yeah, it's funny, but it's not really funny. I have to say, I completely disconnected for two days with the HamCom thing. Life went on.

1:44:01 I was not... Yeah, no, we have a lot of listeners who now say, I stopped listening to mainstream media, I just listen to you guys. And I feel better about things. Why would you bother? You get your little... You listen to the news, we give it to you. You can laugh. We try to make you laugh. So I think what's happening, this is Bloomberg reported, US officials now believe Chinese hackers Now already know the steps needed to blow up a US pipeline or shut down an American power plant. They're practicing, said retired Army General Keith Alexander. Oh, they're practicing. How are they practicing? Where's what pipeline blew up? Tell me. They're practicing. It's just so this is all part of the cyber attack. And by the way, how do you blow up a pipeline with a with a computer code? I'm just reading it. Obviously, it's dumb. Whereas

1:44:55 Power lines go down all the time, thanks to squirrels. I think that if you look at cyber terrorists versus squirrels, it's about 500 to 0 so far. Squirrels are winning the cyber war at this point. You know, I have a squirrel story. Oh. Squirrel! Hit it. So I see a guy working on one of the boxes from Pacific Telephone or whatever, AT&T. And I say, can you show me, show me the difference between DSL and T1 and the way they do the connection, the differences, the wire sticker. And I started talking to him about the, because it was in Berkeley and there was a bunch of trees, and there was a squirrel that went by. I said, these squirrels must be a horrible problem. He says, these squirrels are the plague

1:45:44 That's why we prefer underground cables even though flooding is also hurts that problem, but squirrels are terrible He's and then he told me the story which I just thought was amusing. It's a satellite So it's got nothing to do with what we're talking about He says at one point they keep developing new kinds of plastic around the wires so the squirrels would stop eating them because they apparently got a taste for this plastic and yum and So they put capsicum, a huge amount of hot chili oil. Capsicum? Capsicum. Capsicum is the ingredient in hot chili peppers that burns you. Hey, squirrely, squirrely, squirrely. So he said they put the capsicum in and he says it exacerbated the problem because the squirrels got a taste for it. They love it. And now they're hooked on capsicum.

1:46:35 So they would be worse because they were eating this stuff just to get the buzz from the cast. Anyway, I have a follow-up just to wind up our military industrial complex bit Bob you questioned the the b1 bomber and the the fractus side the friendly fire letters on that got a couple of them, but actually Producer Oscar Z. I don't know if he wants me to give his full name He sent me a couple of clips that he made himself. Thank you very much and of... this is Pierre Sprey. He's the designer of the A-10 and the F-15. And of course these are planes that pilots actually love. And what our producer asserts is the reason why the B-1 was falsely accused of killing our own troops

1:47:31 is to eliminate the B1, the funding for the B1 of course, we already know the warthog, the A10 funding is gone, in order to funnel that money towards... any guesses? Hillary's campaign? Almost right, but no. The F-35, also known as the... Oh, that piece of crap. Also known as the Joint Strike Fighter. And so this is of course a biased guy, Pierre, because he designed the F-15 and the A-10. But here is three quick clips about the F-35.

1:48:13 And yes, you said it correctly, a piece of crap, but this thing continues to be funded. It would not get a trillion dollars. Not every country is kicking in. Here he is on how the F-35 would work in ground attack. So if the F-35 is not a fine combat plane, what about as support for troops, air support? That's the most laughable of all, because to support troops You have to be able to get in close, to maneuver, to find really difficult to find camouflage targets. You have to be able to turn at quite slow speed. You have to carry a large gun, say like the A-10, and you have to be able to stay

1:48:57 in the vicinity of the troops for four to six hours. You have to be able to loiter in order to really give them all-day cover when they need it. This is hopelessly impossible with the F-35. Why? The F-35 uses far too much gas. It's lucky if it can hang around for an hour or an hour and a half at most. The maneuverability is laughable. You know, you couldn't possibly get down in the weeds, as the pilots say, with this airplane and turn in time to see a tank. Remember, a tank is not visible from even maybe from a quarter mile or less. This airplane at the speeds at which it has to go because of the tiny wings, remember, it can't maneuver so it can't fly slow, nor should it in combat because it's so vulnerable. So what is it good at?

1:49:45 It's not good at anything. It's a turkey. Of course, the other part of the F-35 is its stealth capability, also addressed in this short clip. Talk to me then about the stealth. I mean, how stealth capable is the F-35? Well, the first thing to know about stealth is that it's a scam. It simply doesn't work. It's a scam, John! I love this guy. It's a scam. Check out the scam. I didn't know about this. This is funny. Radars, they were built in 1942. could detect every stealth airplane in the world today. The Battle of Britain radars, not because there was anything great about them, but because they happened to have very long wavelength. Every Battle of Britain radar would see the F-35 and the F-22 and the B-2. I'm not talking here as an antiquarian, because unfortunately the Russians picked up on this

1:50:31 and have been building exactly those radars ever since World War II. They never stopped building low-frequency, long-wavelength radars. And they've modernized them to an extraordinary extent. They build some really amazing mobile versions of them now that are both hard to find when they're camouflaged and can be erected in 40 minutes and see every stealth airplane in the world. And they sell them to anybody who's got cash. Yeah! There's some info for you. And so yeah, that's why I think they pulled those stealth fighters out of the work. They ran them in Iraq for a while and then all of a sudden they stopped running them. Yeah.

1:51:10 And I think it's because of this, the Russian technology, which is old technology, it's an old style. Final clip, of course, is to answer. Before you get off that, I do want to read something from Paul, Paul, producer Paul Darling, who wrote about the A-10 Warthog. He says for 25 years, we had the A-10 and he talks about some of its capabilities. They were specifically designed and operated by the army not the Air Force to thwart the anticipated overwhelming columns of Soviet hardware rolling across the certain planes of Europe. The entire plane was designed around a 30 millimeter cannon which rotates like a Gatling gun and spews depleted uranium tip shells at the rate of 3,000 rounds a minute. Wow. Although the gun only allows 1.5 second thrust bursts

1:51:57 decimating anything. If that isn't enough, it can also fire 12 Hellfires, fire and forget missiles, each missile capable of killing the biggest tanks. The frame is made of titanium to protect the pilot from ground fire. Because they operate so low. The engines have a very distinctive stick to the wind. The plane also took the role of close air support to ground troops. That's what it does. And it's got these two engines that can turn on a dime. And he goes on and on about the A-10 was best in class and still is, and there's nothing to replace it. Except for the F-35, which has one single solitary mission.

1:52:39 So you're telling me it's a bad airplane, it can't do dogfights, it can't protect troops on the ground, it's a lousy bomber, and despite everything that the manufacturer is saying, it's not stealth. Correct. You are exactly correct. So what is the point of this plane? The point is to spend money. That is the mission of the airplane, is for the U.S. Congress to send money to Lockheed. That's the real mission of the airplane. There you go. It makes so much sense, doesn't it? Well, it's very effective. It's doing a good job. It's one of the best ones yet. Unreal. I do have a couple of other things that are kind of interesting to worth following up on or worth following in the first place. Here's a little

1:53:27 discussion from another new group. You should look them up. In fact, you should look them up immediately and play their clip of what they're up to on their website. Very slick operation called the SuFan Group. I will look up SuFan. It's another one of these consultants. S-O-U-F-A-N. run by an ex-FBI guy who's Lebanese, like my driver was, and who, by the way, the Lebanese are known as the most natural businessmen in the world, so they will start these groups up. And here is the rundown of ISIL by the Sufan group. Only be surpassed by its fortune. ISIL run by an enigmatic leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, may now be the richest terror group in the world after reportedly stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from banks in Mosul when ISIL captured the city on Tuesday.

1:54:18 Joining us now to discuss who ISIL is, we're joined by Robert McFadden, a senior vice president at the SUFAN group, which provides strategic security intelligence services, a former deputy assistant director of counterintelligence operations with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. He's an expert on terrorist movements in the Middle East. Robert, it's always good to have you with us. ISIL has really quickly gained a lot of territory and a lot of money. Where is it getting its funding from? Well, it started back when it transitioned from the state, Islamic State, in Iraq. and to its current form as ISIL. In operations in Syria, one of the first funding streams came from taking the goods and money from Christians, Shia, and even Sunnis who were otherwise not aligned with them and thought to be supporting the regime. But up until what happened the other day in Mosul, where they reported over $400 million, though, it was very effective in raising money from some of the things I mentioned, and

1:55:18 It worked very hard to control the oil producing region in East Syria. Right, it's taken over oil fields in Syria and also has power generating plants that Syria needs. So their enemy, Bashar al-Assad, is actually paying them money. Exactly, and that's been part of the complexity of the story. the time it's implacably opposed and trying to overthrow it to further establish the state there's some of that back and forth because it's generating money and it's in its interest. And are they also getting money from Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia opposes al-Assad have they been getting funding from Saudi sources? Well see that's one of the other main funding streams over the course of the last few years outside donors particularly from the rich Gulf states. And the potential of this money especially if they've gotten these hundreds of millions of dollars

1:56:05 when they took over Mosul is that they pay fighters and it's already a fairly large group. The Sufan group has looked at just how many fighters they've got. Exactly, and going back to the time when it first went into Syria, One of the things that was a part of the draw for foreign fighters besides it being deemed as the group of action, it was able to pay a better stipend. Both within Iraq for the Iraqis as part of ISIL and in Syria so that continues out. These groups are really interesting. The Sufan Group. And you know we could if we were douchebags we could easily do this. Oh, I look at the Sioux fan group thing and a little video they have you can play it if you want. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, I was just looking at the... It's a slick operation. You know who its competitor essentially is Richard Clark. Right. You know because they're going after the cyber crap a lot if you read their website. It also seems like yeah, but yeah, okay, yes cyber

1:57:08 I think also oil still. The team itself looks... hold on, let me get this set up. I mean just looking at it, so we have Ali Soufan, I guess it's named after him, former FBI supervisory special agent who worked in East Africa, also the USS Cole bombings, okay. Don Borelli, also FBI. Then we have McFadden, who we just heard. He's It was a counterintelligence NCIS. We have this guy, Daniel Friedman. He's a writer and like a Tom Clancy type guy. Richard Barrett, also United Nations counterterrorism. Martin Reardon, FBI. Susan Sim, Singapore's mission deputy chief. Stephen White, UK police officer. See, they got to have the UK guys for BP.

1:58:07 Barry Gossart, UK Special Forces, Steve Kleinman, he's Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom, it just goes on and on and on and on. Here's the video. This is a whole bunch of TV screens of pundits. But of course, you really want to have these guys. Cool. The Sioux Fan Group. We are a strategic security company. We do national security consultancies, we do training and we do research, intelligence research. At the CIFANG group, we've got experts from a wide range of fields, from intelligence to academia to law enforcement. And that way we provide for clients a really 360 degree approach. Here at the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group, we really provide a 360 approach for our clients.

1:59:07 Talking about there are backgrounds Educational experiences from different walks of life people that have run some of the biggest counterterrorism cases in US history We need to get like my uncle you know just put Bobby Inman on the board. Oh, yeah, yeah stuff like that No, we'd make a ton of money millions. Yeah, oh I could cut my hair and put on a suit Yeah, and you could have the bullcrap. You're a good spokesperson, and you get that little tick which makes you look like an interesting bit like a bit That's like all I like something happened to me in the intelligence field. You know like oh, man. Yeah, you got you got beaten Yeah, but I didn't give anybody up damn it. No of course not this is this is a fantastic group

1:59:48 I know this is one of the best I've stumbled upon, but anyway, let's listen to the second half of that clip because he talks about something nobody talks about, which is the leader of the ISIL group. Let's talk about this enigmatic leader, this guy, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. People don't know much about him. Only a couple pictures out of them, some people are referring to him as the most powerful terrorist leader in the world now. He apparently wears a mask even when he goes to talk to his own troops. Who is this guy? Yeah, very shadowy and as you mentioned the two photographs are the only known publicly available. He's an Iraqi from Samarra, from the Sunni heartland. Has bona fide religious credentials, one contrast to Osama Bin Laden for example, who didn't. But he has those religious credentials, that's a draw. Reported to be very charismatic and very, very demanding of the utmost of secrecy. He will not allow any non-Iraqis to be part of his military or shore council.

2:00:46 So that way he maintains greater security. And one question is, they want to create an Islamic State. Do they in effect have it already? Well, and that's a really good point. They've declared, and this put him at odds with Ayman Zohairi and core Al-Qaeda, they have declared the Islamic State of Iraq and greater Syria, of course, ISIL. However, think of it more in terms of the seeds of an embryonic state, because ultimately, at least for them, their aspiration as a religious duty is all the way from Khorasan in Central Asia, across the Middle East to North Africa, to regain all the lands. And that would be the Khulafa or the Caliphate. Yeah, so this is pretty funny. I'm looking at, if you ever want to find out who

2:01:33 you know, what a company does and who their customers are. I've been looking at the website while I was listening to that. So they provide security training, which is investigative training, intelligence operations and analysis, professional training, you know, then they have cybersecurity, crisis management, procedures and protocols, major event security, intelligence and threat assessments, and then of course the sectors they serve. But they have the testimonials page. And it's pretty much Qatar that they're servicing. So here's the former US ambassador to Qatar. The Soufan group is experienced and skilled in both government and industry worldwide. They've earned a reputation for reliability, insight, and know exactly what the client needs to make informed judgments on sensitive matters and sensitive parts in the world. In other words, yeah, I think you should get the Constelli holdings to put those guys in there and blow up that pipeline over there.

2:02:30 CEO of Qatar Airways, the Soufan Group is a world-class strategic security consultancy. I mean, wow. What a, what a gig. Yeah, I'm mad. I'm mad. I'm mad. That's a huge gig, yeah. Well, not really because, jeez, we had- You know, and then notice when he said, you know, we had Kimberly Kagan discussing, mentioning specifically Saudi Arabia and Qatar as- Yeah as sponsors of this group and this guy doesn't say Qatar. He just says certain area. Yeah, Emirates Yeah, but if you look at the at the website, it's obvious right there Yeah, but he's not gonna point the finger at them as big sponsors of ISIL and this crazy guy who's running this show he's either a Hugo Chavez guy who knows he's gonna be a target of intelligence services or he's a CIA guy and

2:03:24 Yeah, who knows. He could be intelligence itself. Yeah, could be. The leader. Why not? Well, we don't do fancy interviews. We don't do fancy consulting for entire countries. And we are not part of the clear group of neocons. And by the way, President Obama, you know, he did quote Robert Kagan in his State of the Union. I do want to point that out. that he's all in on, you know, Kagan was the architect of the surge. This whole entire group, all, when it comes down to it, rubbleize everything and everybody that lives in sand and is brown of color so we can keep the oil pumping to our number one customer, which is Europe, and coming up number two, which is China. If they don't kill us before, you know, and let's cut off their supplies in Africa.

2:04:20 Isn't it pathetic when you look at it just from that big level? That's what it's all about? Well, you know, it's a petroleum-centered civilization. Oh, sure. And so petroleum is everything and this is all about oil. Oh, and while we're at it, let's trick everybody into thinking that we're gonna live on wind and solar. Oh, I know. Hey, call up that... Who's that guy with the electric cars? Yeah, that guy. The Tesla guy. Tell him to make some news. I know I'm from South Africa, yes. I'm giving away all my patents. Yes, I'm giving away my patents. I'm a hero, I tell you. There'll be no excuse for anyone to not go electric. That's what the subtext is, right? Yes, of course. No excuse. Everyone should do it. Why bother with petroleum? What a scam.

2:05:11 You gotta think that... what's his name? The Tesla kid? Musk. Yeah. Do you think he's in on it? He's gotta be in on it. He's gotta know this. He's gotta know that this is futile. Oh, there's something he knows that we don't know, obviously. I mean, they're taking a beating on those cars. I mean, they're selling them at a loss, but he makes it up for the $35,000 plus per car he gets as a subsidy. We've talked about this before. Yeah, but you think he's in on the whole scam that this is just a big distraction? You know, get the guys with a small penis to buy this. They don't have to be in on it. He just gets checks and then he stays the course because of the lure of all this cash. I mean, this guy's making money hand over fist. It's really smart though. I mean, you make a car for all the guys with a small penis, you know, beautiful car that's way too expensive. You know, everyone oogles and ogles over and you can start it and cool it with your iPhone and it's electric. And you know, then everything else is like,

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2:22:31 Go to noagenda... noagendanation.com slash rings and Eric Cushill will be happy to send one out to you. It's funny, in all of this madness of our problems with the distribution etc. there was this... there's other business models out there The New York Times is definitely all over this now with their new opinion, the online opinion thing you can subscribe to. But from businessinsider.com, I would like to just read to you a little bit of a native ad which is not marked as such, which is, and I put it in the show notes, it's just really disgusting. This is going to ruin journalism. Because if you put it really tiny somewhere, you know, like sponsored content or something,

2:23:22 People are not going to believe it anymore. So here it is. Paper currency is the new gold, writes Joe Wiesenthal for businessinsider.com. He talks about his deal with my colleague Jay. About two or three times a week, he picks up breakfast for me on his way to the office. In exchange, I pay for his breakfast on those days. When he has me breakfast, usually a platter of bacon, eggs, and sausages, he tells me how much I owe him. I find this annoying because I have to fish out cash from my wallet. Often we don't have the exact amount or I just don't have any cash on me at all. It would be really great if Jay were on Venmo, the excellent app made for easy small denominated friend-to-friend payments. It's perfect for settling up checks and other shared purchases.

2:24:02 I mean, can you believe this? Can you believe? Yes, I do believe it. Every day a situation that requires the use of physical cash feels more and more like an anachronism. It's like having to listen to music on a CD. Oh no! John Maynard Keynes famously referred to gold, well, the gold standard specifically, as a barbarous relic. Well, the new barbarous relic is physical cash. Like gold, cash is physical money. Like gold, cash is still fetishized. And like gold, cash is a costly drain on the economy. Then he goes on and comes back again with this friggin' app. It's unbelievable.

2:24:48 It's actually beyond, to me it's disgusting. It's more than unbelievable. It's actually sickening. But don't they see that it's going to ruin their credibility? Oh no, all they see is the bottom line. And the public has been brought up to this in such a way, except of our listeners of course wouldn't put up with it. I don't think it's gonna ruin anything. I think it's just gonna be the way it goes. It's gonna trend. This is a trend, not a ruination. I think you're completely wrong on this. What do you mean I'm wrong? You're wrong. This isn't going to ruin anything, this is the way it's going to go. And people are just going to be all in and we'll buy it and it's fine and it's great and we dumb everybody down into a stupor of stupidity? You got it. Yeah. Ding ding ding ding ding. Gotcha. Well, speaking of the stupor of stupidity, time for Ravel!

2:25:40 Are you ready? Did we do the birthdays? Did I miss that? I just did the birthdays. How did I miss that? Okay. Where was I? I could just see your eyes rolling back in your head like, oh what? I'm so out. What did I do? What? That's terrible. Rev Al, every single day, You got some Rev-Al clips? I got one Rev-Al, a recent one. Now there's two in here, it's a double whammy. What he wants to say is something is escalating.

2:26:16 And it's making the escalating. Yeah, well if you say escalate is good and with this escalation the Republicans or the GOP is giddy. Now giddy is what does that what does giddy mean? It means you're just kind of like you're just kind of excited in a kind of a shaking way. You're shaking, you're excited, you're just right. Yeah. And so of course the Reverend Al, the Rev, Who by the way, we looked at his ratings after the show. Yeah, we did. No wonder the guy's still on the air. Yeah, he's got better ratings than everybody except Rachel. So this does it what does this tell you people?

2:26:57 He's his ratings constitute is I think it's 600,000 listeners or viewers which constitutes on television $600,000 in in in budget. Yeah, and so he there so they budgeting so he's probably making millions and 600,000 people watched him do this the GOP in fighting is escalating political says Democrats are outright jitty happy to watch the GOP implode So you saw Giddy, G-I-D-D-Y on the screen and pronounce it Giddy. And he said Esculates. Esculating. So he probably will pronounce the word Jif correctly. Oh, do you have that clip too? Do we both have that clip? No, I don't have that clip. I have the clip. Hit it. Hold on a second. Let me just grab this clip. Did you see this? No. Oh my god.

2:27:49 President Obama did this thing with the Tumblr crew, the student loan thing. And David Karp of Tumblr interviewed the president. And then during the West Wing Week, which is that little expanded podcast that they do with the guy with the voiceover, it turns out the president has now officially proclaimed the pronunciation of Jif as Gif. That is now by presidential proclamation. And this came up as David Karp from Tumblr and Obama were... I thought David Karp was with Pando. No, that's a different guy. No, it's a different Karp. Okay, go on. As they're doing it, they're recording a fist bump gif

2:28:37 For the tumbler because tumbler is all about the gifs the animated gifs. Yeah, mainly of penises and and booze Yeah, screwing yeah, and jiggling the brass. Yeah, and all kinds of you know fetishes and stuff tumbler rocks. Oh It's awesome. It's better than ex-hamster so pool hold on a second somebody recognized what I said Here is the presidential proclamation. I mean, I pondered it a long time. I think that one's going to work. Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. It's now GIF. Official standpoint, executive order. I think that the Republicans should call it JIF. Just to be complicated. I got a couple of clips I want to get out of the way. Please.

2:29:42 This is a weird one to me and I actually I'm gonna save this clip for the next show. Oh, because I haven't fully analyzed. Let me play something. Let me play something. Now let this play through because there's a little point of analysis I have to do on this one. This is Mary Worthan who is a very attractive history professor. Molly or Mary? That's Molly. Molly and she's a very attractive history professor at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and she's got a new book out. So, hit it. Oh, I'm not. Molly Worthen is a history professor here at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. What courses do you teach, Professor Worthen? I teach a big survey course on the history of religion in North America. I teach a course on modern American intellectual history. One of the most fun courses I teach is called Sin and Evil in Modern America, which is a small research seminar. You can imagine the kinds of things the students get into in that class.

2:30:39 Well, you're also the author of this book, Apostles of Reason, The Crisis of Authority in American Evangelicalism, published by Oxford. What is evangelicalism? That's a great question. That is not a great question! That is not a great question! Oh, you got me. That's been a while since you did one of those. Very funny. Very funny. Oh, you got me. Actually, can I just do a religion thing? A little side sweep? Oh yeah, sure. I want to read this woman's book, by the way. It sounds fascinating. Well, it's very interesting. We've been identifying this war on religion, which in general, if you are religious, if you're a Christian or if you go to a church, not temple or synagogue,

2:31:40 or uh um mosque mosque if you go to church you're a republican that's pretty much the way i boil down the war on religion crazy crazy ass and you probably like guns and hate abortion and right you think the universe is 6 000 years old exactly that's everybody yeah everybody so very interesting to see what was going on on comedy central this is in relation to uh dave bratz winning beating out, what's his name, the other guy. I have no idea what you're talking about. Dave Bratz in the election, the prime minister. Oh, Bratz beating out Cantor. Cantor, exactly. Exactly. Here's Jon Stewart on the Jon Stewart Daily Show. But is he more than eye candy? The reason we won this campaign, there's just one reason, and that's because dollars do not vote, you do. I love the sentiment, although

2:32:39 a certain Supreme Court might disagree with you. That's very interesting that he says that because this actually proves that the Koch brothers can't necessarily, you know, sway or buy the country as all Democrats and particularly Harry Reid are saying. And so instead of saying that, Jon Stewart turns it around in a very interesting way and doesn't point out the obvious that, you know, that the guy did this with almost no money. But I like the cut of his jib. What else you got there, fella? Luke 18 27. Jesus replied, what is impossible with man is possible with God. Did not see that coming. The guy said he's God. What a moron. What a stupid dick. But wait, there's more. This is a miracle from God.

2:33:40 We believe in God who gave us this miracle today. I love every single person that God made on this planet. We get it, you beat a Jewish guy. We get it. So, interesting to point that out. Continue on Comedy Central, Colbert did something similar. This is a miracle from God. Yes, Bratz victory was a miracle from God you hear that only Jewish Republican in Congress So close you were just one Jesus shorts I Think there's a lot going on here. It's pretty interesting that coming from Colbert who is a religious nut Yeah, I just I told thing was interesting. I

2:34:26 Now we know that the percentage of Jews in government is much higher than the percentage of Jews in the country. That's interesting by itself. But then to really highlight that as the main issue of this primary, and of course you have these audiences laughing, oh crazy. Yeah, Republicans hate Jews. Republicans hate Jews? Well, is that true? No. I don't think so. I don't think so. But everyone has to laugh at the religious people. Yeah, look I don't go to church. I have my own views and beliefs, but I laugh at somebody for what they believe in or what they did. Why? I don't get that. Yeah, you've been pointed out since, you know, it goes on too much. It does and it's getting somewhat annoying, I feel.

2:35:18 I got a question for you. I want you to play this clip. Mm-hmm. Radar anomaly. Oh, I'm glad you bring that up. It's been a Bermuda Triangle style mystery over the skies of Europe. It has emerged that over a dozen planes vanished from radars for almost half an hour. Three countries reported similar disappearances and experts are scratching their heads over why. Yeah, this is, um... The reporting is somewhat sketchy and I have reached out to people I know at Eurocontrol. What happened is a number of airplanes vanished from radar, mainly over Europe for, I think it was, it happened twice actually for, you know, 15-20 minutes.

2:36:00 And, you know, there's lots of conspiracy theories, oh, military did this. And I specifically spoke to one of our producers who works at Eurocontrol and was like, no, no, this is all bullcrap. I think what happened is something, it's much easier. In fact, you may have even yourself noticed that your GPS may not have worked so well in the past week or so. We had a number of massive X-class solar flares thrown at us, and I think that is mainly responsible. And we're gonna see more of this, and I think there's no reporting. No one ever reports on these flares.

2:36:40 But that I think is what really... It's because it's global warming, not fnairs. Right! We can't talk about the sun doing anything crazy. So that's what I think it is, but I still have a couple of things outstanding, but... Nah. It's just radio waves, you know? Stuff happens. It's not all set in stone. Doesn't work all the time. Then yes, your GPS can sometimes just go wiggy. I think there were three class X solar flares in the past week. That would cause some issues. Yeah. At least it didn't blow up everything. It can do a lot. It can do a lot. This IRS thing, I need to talk about that for a second. Oh, this is getting funnier. Well, it's very funny, but to me this is such an outrage and I don't think this particular issue has been raised. So what is going on is

2:37:38 lowest learner, you know, we're trying to the Congress is trying to Republicans specifically and Tea Party are trying to figure out if the IRS communicated with the Obama administration back and forth to target Tea Party groups who are raising money for the Tea Party specifically, which of course is the fear of all Americans, but all citizens worldwide, when the government tries to get you with your taxes. It's not a happy occasion. And illegal. Of course it's illegal. And so there was a subpoena, court order for surrender of documents, which includes several years of this woman's emails. I believe Lois Lerner is the woman who took the fifth, he pled the fifth and she wouldn't testify. This has been going back and forth. And of course, the administration and the Democrat Party call this a witch hunt and it's bullcrap, but it keeps turning up with some very annoying facts. And I went back to

2:38:39 March when Chaffetz, you know that guy, he's a pit bull, was grilling IRS Commissioner John Koskinen on these very emails about getting them and if he was going to get them at all. And I'll play that in a minute, but the end result is the IRS is saying, oh, we lost the email due to a computer glitch. And of course the word glitch has been used ever since the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, the healthcare.com, which wasn't working for months. And we just call that a glitch and then the news reports it as a glitch. And it's like, oh, it's a computer glitch. We all know what that means. So apparently a computer crashed and they can't retrieve these emails. But let's go back to... Where's the backup? Where's the archive backup? Let me get to that in a second.

2:39:31 We're going back first to the grilling where we already knew that this was not going to happen and just listen to the level of conversation about email Specifically, I'm pretty sure Shaffer's already knew that this was not going to appear or maybe he knew that it was gone Commissioner what what email system do you use there at the IRS? What email system? Yeah, I'll look yes. We have actually Microsoft at least I have Microsoft I'll say you're like you're sorry you go on there and you want to find all the items you sent under your name How long would that take? Well, it would take a while because they're not all on my computer. They're all stored somewhere. Somewhere. Okay, so but you're IT specialist, how long do you think it takes of the 90 plus thousand employees there at the IRS? How long would it find it to take to find all the emails that included her email address?

2:40:17 Just lowest learners alone? Just lowest learner. It would take a while. Like how long? Well there are millions of emails. Minutes? I don't know, but I don't think it's minutes. I mean that's one of the brilliance of the email system is you go in and you check the sent box, the inbox, And you suddenly have all the emails, correct? Right. They get taken off and stored in servers and you've got 90,000 employees and you've got... I know, but I'm not asking you to search. I'm asking you to find one. They type in her email address. We could find, and we in fact are searching, we can find Lois Lerner's emails. And how long? How long would that take? I have no idea how long. But would it take a day? I just said I have no idea.

2:41:02 Well, I just don't understand. You got a duly issued subpoena. If you were in the private sector and somebody was issued a subpoena and you didn't comply with it, what would happen to you? For this subpoena, the court would actually rule that it's far too broad. Oh, so you're going to make the determination. You're going to make the... You ask the question. Let me answer the question. In a court of law, if you provided that subpoena, a judge would not enforce it because... Wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop right there. So you're going to be the judge. I'm not being the judge. I'm just telling you what was happening. Yes, you are. You asked me. You have a duly issued subpoena. Are you or are you not going to provide this committee

2:41:37 the emails as indicated in this subpoena. Yes or no? We are, we are, I've never said we wouldn't, Rob. I'm asking you yes or no. We are going to respond to the subpoena. Sir. Yes, we are going to respond to the subpoena. I'm just telling you to respond fully to the subpoena, we're gonna be at this for years not months. That's the only thing I'd like to know. And I don't understand that. So Chaffetz obviously knew that they do not want to give these emails out because that's where the damning evidence is. Yeah, no smoking gun. She's obviously corrupt. Now, here's the thing that was incorrect in that little back and forth. If you're in the private sector and the guy says, no, no, a judge would overrule this. Well, let's, first of all, wrong. Let's go back to one of your pet peeves of years ago, John, Sarbanes-Oxley.

2:42:25 These are the rules for publicly held companies and all of their affiliate companies regarding email and documents. I read from section 802A. This is for the public sector. You must maintain a full audit trail, complete logging with respect to activity changes, access, upload, download, developing, implementing password rotation, encryption key forwarding, customize to Sarbox specific rules, ensuring only the appropriate customer personnel have access, record alteration or destruction, whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States, or any case filed under Title 11 or in relation to, or contemplation of any such matter, case shall be fined under this title and imprisoned

2:43:18 for not more than 20 years or both. And this is for documentation and emails up to five years that these have to be maintained. Penalties for non-compliance of Sarbanes-Oxley, besides the obvious lawsuits and negative publicity, a corporate officer who does not comply or submits an inaccurate certification is subject to a fine of up to $1 million and 10 years in prison, even if done mistakenly. If a wrong certification was submitted purposely, the fine can be up to $5 million and 20 years in prison. Five years worth of email for the entire corporation and all of its subordinates and affiliates. That's what the private sector deals with. The Obama administration? A glitch. Good one. Good point. That is... that's... this is where someone needs to raise their hand and say,

2:44:17 I don't care what the emails are about, why do we have to adhere to this standard and you don't? Yeah, that's a great point. It's actually almost worth a column. Please feel free. I do commonly. Without giving me credit, I might point out. I give you credit where credit is due. Well, you got me on that one. I do have one little, I got some other stuff here, but I think I'm going to stick with with this one. I was at that event with Edelman, a big public relations firm. Oh yes, this is a while back. And they told me, they said, you know, I don't know if you maybe have some suggestions or something, but my, this person, I'm not gonna say who it is, one of the things we've been hired to do is to make Bloomberg or high profile in tech.

2:45:22 Really tech as in tech? Reporting as in this week in tech as in tech five by five tech as in TNT tech news today tech tech tech tech like phones Phones and Apple and Microsoft and being and tablets you got it. You nailed it nice And so I said well the first thing you do is got maybe put it you know move to Silicon Valley or get out of New York I mean, there's like no tech. I mean whether you know reputation for tech. Tech, you mean gadgets. This week in gadgets. And I didn't think they were ever going to get anywhere until I heard Charlie Rose. Oh no. In this story. More to it than Silicon Valley. In fact, Bloomberg Businessweek magazine has just published its first ever global technology issue. Here to talk about what it is and what writers found is the editor of Bloomberg Businessweek,

2:46:09 Josh Terengale, welcome. Thank you. And what did you find? Amazing stuff. So we start in China with a company called Xiaomi, which is the first truly successful commercial technology company out of China. They make stylish phones. It's the fastest growing handset maker in the world. And they have a completely different kind of business model. Phones! Everybody previously has said, let's get as many phones out there as possible in as many places. They actually, almost like Air Jordans in the 80s and 90s, limit supply, only sell online, and when it's done, it's done. We sent someone over to China, really did a deep dive on the company, and it is a come up. This is a big deal.

2:46:50 Okay, so apparently they never heard of Lenovo as a no, please or anybody else for that matter Wow But these guys the first successful consumer oriented company ever and sell phones about over the over the internet And it was actually plugged by merit in one of his tech news today's but but this but and I felt it was product placement for this company so they so I think this is a double dip here I think First, Bloomberg was placed on the Charlie Rose show with this editor as part of some quid pro quo. And then the editor plugs this company, which is some sort of native advertising. And it was just like a double dip. Doesn't the Charlie Rose show rebroadcast on Bloomberg? Yes. Incidentally. Yeah, exactly. So I said, oh, well, I guess they finally got their wish. I think not.

2:47:37 So I just thought that was a little backstory for people how these things happen. Nice! Where 2 plus 3 is approximately 4 in the Common Core! ITM says you're K-12 Common Core Insider who shall go unnamed other than the K-12 Common Core Insider. I work for the third largest county office of education in California where my job is to mine the student data. Yeah, I'm that guy! I love our audience. The amount of money spent on technology in the last few years because of Common Core is staggering. Most districts are buying one device per child. Usually, he says, iPads or Chromebooks, not Microsoft as much Microsoft as Bill Gates was probably promised. I believe this is the reason for the push behind the Surface tablets. The main thing driving the purchases are the new computerized standardized tests.

2:48:34 This has also forced districts to upgrade their infrastructure with the purchase of new switches and wireless routers to support the internet bandwidth requirements. There's also a lot of money allocated for training and materials related to Common Core. It's a money-making bonanza! More soon, your K-12 insider for the Common Core. Where 2 plus 3 is approximately 4 in the Common Core! That's one of our better themes. I love it, it's fabulous. Okay, hey you're on the twit today, right? Yes, I am on the twit. With my favorite girl. With Jolie Odell. Yeah. Oh man. Which just annoys everybody. That is a match made in heaven. I love you two on the show. Yeah, it's because we didn't pick on Leo. Yeah, I hope you do.

2:49:28 Well, it's hard to say what happens. There's always a mystery with how that show goes. Well, I guarantee you'll be talking about Elon Musk! Don't make these claims and none of them ever come to be. Guaranteed. Elon Musk, he's so cool, he's a hero! He's a hero giving away his patents. That's so cool, he knows how to do it. Yes, awesome. He's great. I got plenty of things to say about that if that comes up. Oh, well get ready. What are you gonna say? I'm not gonna say. Oh, come on. Not gonna give it away. That's just mean. Okay, I'm gonna say that you know this guy wouldn't be doing that if he didn't know it was a loser. Exactly. I mean he's just not the type that's gonna give patents away. Why would you do that? Nobody in their right mind would do that. Why is he doing it? There's gotta be a reason. Yeah, well it's because he knows it's bullcrap. This is going nowhere.

2:50:23 In the packet inequality race, the Internet Association has responded to FCC Chairman Wheeler's announcement on internet interconnection with a letter. And it's one paragraph. A letter? A letter. The Internet Association... Do we belong to the Internet Association, John? Are you a member? I think I don't, but I think we should. I don't think so. Oh, you don't think we should? Uh, no. Okay, then we should. Well, I'll read the paragraph and then I'll tell you who the members are. The Internet Association believes that broadband internet access providers should aspire to settlement-free peering.

2:51:02 which ultimately benefits all stakeholders in the internet ecosystem. Settlement-free peering should be the industry norm. The Internet Association is focused on what's best for consumers and protecting an open internet free from... I'd start an ISP if they put this through. Free from the discriminatory or anti-competitive associations or actions by broadband gatekeepers. It is vital that internet users get what they pay for. Now, who do you think wrote that? Well, the... I don't know, it sounds like Netflix or one of these guys. Here are the members of the Internet Association. Airbnb, Amazon, AOL, eBay, Expedia, Facebook, Guild, Google, IAC, LinkedIn, Lyft, Monster, Netflix, Practice Fusion, Rackspace, Reddit, Salesforce, SurveyMonkey, TripAdvisor, Twitter, Yahoo, Yelp, Uber, Zynga, About.com, Ask, DitchNetwork.com, Flickr, Ha- People who send shitloads of data! Vimeo! Please.

2:52:00 Yes, it should all be free. Peering is peering. That means it's both ways. And people who are consuming Netflix are not sending a gigabyte of data back after they watch the movie. That's why the peering model is broken. You talked to a guy the other day. Yeah, I talked to Dane Jasper, gave me the rundown on what's going on. He's the guy who runs SonicNet. And he talks about peering, it's really a backbone thing. It's a backbone to backbone. It's got nothing to do with these guys like Netflix. Unless they wanna, you know, just horn in on, get really right on a pipe. Let me set this up. Let me set it up. Okay. This is regarding caching. John and I, we were talking about,

2:52:42 the inherent broken broken nature of Netflix because you can't use standard internet technologies to cash. And it turns out as a part of the interconnect or what is it, Netflix connect something or whatever. They do. Appliance, they have an appliance. They give you a cash box that you can put at your ISP. Right. And Dane has maybe a half dozen of them. You need more than one if you have a big ISP. And the cash box, in the case of the Netflix box, which is on the system, it's on the Sonic.net system.

2:53:19 And what it does is it saves the ISP the trouble of grabbing the material from the source and then dragging it across the line and giving it to you who asked for it. Instead, you go right to your local box, which is right there, which has 100 terabytes of the most popular material. Yeah, they even ship it pre-loaded. Yeah, it would save money. But it updates too. For example, when the new House of Cards comes out, they will load it once. By the way, Orange is the new Black. I'm now at episode 6. Meh. Not so impressed with this new season.

2:54:03 Oh good. Anyway, I condemn this show. Anyway, so that you have, and Google has one called the Google Global Cash, and they give it to these ISPs and they're free. And the ISP has to do, and the Google global cache is for YouTube videos. It's loaded with all the popular cat videos. The same thing, it's loaded over the line. And the ISPs have a bunch of these. Akamai has one, that box that they give to people. So these guys have all these boxes. Now the boxes cost money to operate. The boxes are free. The 100 terabyte drives and everything else is free to the ISP, and the maintenance is free to the ISP. It's taken care of. Ultimately, 600 watts per box, someone's going to maintain it, configure it. I mean, it's never free, but... He says it costs like a hundred bucks a month to run these things, and you have to make a decision whether it saves you $100 in transfer fees, like if you're a small ISP, it wouldn't be worth it.

2:54:58 or whether you need it at all. And so, the calculation has to be done. You have the boxes, you get a bunch of the boxes, whatever you do. And that's the way most of this is being done nowadays. And this is not discussed at all by the media or anybody else in between. And apparently what's happening, I still don't know the full story about what's going on at Comcast, but even though I've asked Comcast about this specifically, why don't they use the Google boxes? And I think they- Did Comcast say, we'll answer you Thursday afternoon between three and five? But I know what it is. It's like, Comcast is so big, they would probably need, I don't know, 500 of these boxes.

2:55:35 which I'm sure Netflix would be glad to provide, but running 500 of these boxes cost a lot of money. And so Netflix says, probably, look, we'd love to run these boxes, but we're not paying all this, we're not paying this fortune it's going to cost us to run these 500 boxes. You pay us some money and we'll put the boxes online. And I think that's what's really going on. Yeah, I think that, and I'm curious to know if Comcast has the Google boxes. Have the what? If Comcast does place the Google cash boxes? I wonder myself because my Google response on Comcast sucks. But ultimately, and this is just the problem, and then we can be done with this, Comcast currently charges, let's just call it Hollywood,

2:56:22 and that includes, you know, Bravo Network to ABC, NBC, CBS, HBO, Showtime, everybody, they charge per customer. So if you have the, if you're the E-network, you need to pay Comcast a dollar per subscriber to put your content on their network. With Netflix, here's Hollywood, and Hollywood is saying, oh, here's just a whole bunch of data to fill up your network and your routers, I'm giving you nothing. And that pretty much breaks Comcast's entire business model. That's why they don't want it. And that's why they're trying to work out the deal. And that's where we are right now. Well, they did work out a deal with Netflix, and that's where we are right now.

2:57:13 But this is not ending anytime soon, this little thing. And net neutrality and the government getting involved is not gonna change anything. If anything, it's gonna screw things up, especially for the small players. And I asked Dane about this, I specifically said to him or asked him, I said, now how does Netflix has a box right in your central office, right there, right on the pipe? And so when I'm a SonicNet subscriber and I want a Netflix movie, you're giving it to me with high efficiency because it's sitting there. It's really on, essentially on your servers. How is this fair? How is this net neutral? How does this, the other companies like Vudu and these other providers of movies, doesn't it put them at a disadvantage in terms of every bit is equal, every packet's equal?

2:58:01 He had to admit that yeah, it does and that's all on on these. Yeah on his own network, of course Yeah, and that's just the way it is And there's no getting around this because unless the voodoo and these other guys put these boxes in which they may or may not do or it may Not even be acceptable because they might not have enough traffic to make it worthwhile to pay for this exactly So anyway, this is a disargument this simplification of this of this issue Which we've argued on our show is not a simple issue at all It's a very complex thing with a lot of little twists and turns and things like these network appliances that nobody talks about. It all plays into it, but all I see is the movement to make the government get involved and now you're really asking for trouble. And that's what's gonna happen. There's no doubt in my, I've predicted this years ago. The FCC has always been going after the cable business. They wanna be able to tell cable companies no cussing and they'll do it.

2:59:03 Yeah, think about this, all the liberals out there who have this belief that the government's good. The liberals don't run things all the time. You'll get some religious guy running the country and he's going to think that cussing is bad and all of a sudden it's going to be, you're going to be fined for cussing on cable TV. You know, there's a funny article here in the Austin, I think it was the Chronicle or something. You know, Austin, of course, is total liberal Obama bot central. And people are now finding out that, you know, very typical of the environment here is, yes, we, yes, we need to give money to this and build this bridge and have this museum and all these wonderful services. And people are now like, I can't afford the taxes on my home anymore. How did that happen? Yeah, you voted for all that crap, you moron. It does come back to bite you in the butt eventually. At some point, you can only spend so much money.

3:00:05 Quick run around before I'm done here. I just read the list after you're done. Okay. The mainstream, everyone's talking about Chelsea Clinton. Oh, she got $600,000 salary from NBC, but she's now on a month to month in case her mom decides to run. But it was CNN. It was CNN who actually were honest about this about the whole Hillary Clinton thing. Quickly to your point, I mean if she does take quite a while longer, what happens to other folks who want a chance to run against her? Because she's doing what they call in politics freezing pockets because the donors are giving her money thinking she's gonna run that means they're not gonna have available money for other candidates if she doesn't and I don't think she's gonna give it to them. She's on her way.

3:00:45 to deciding. We'll see. We couldn't help her any more than we have. I know. She's got just a free ride so far from the media. We're the biggest ones promoting our campaign so it better happen. Yeah, there you go. That's exactly it. Free ride. Yeah, don't worry. You'll be taking that ad money pretty soon. I do have a Hillary medley which kind of plays into this. This was Hillary was at either George Washington University or Georgetown, one of the two, sitting down. She looked like crap, by the way. She's also low energy. But she was discussing something. It went for an hour and a half and I decided to just clip a little bit of it piece by piece. The result of that failed plan, if you are even to discuss seriously any kind of that we would ever sacrifice a single overseas in Baghdad, most could force, figures I've seen is that there are more than a thousand to try to stave off a total collapse of you have the tensions

3:01:47 lots of competing interests and zone to time zone everybody was exhausted nobody wanted to think on the phone go on these trips and and we had a great press corps to Russia which I cut off so they took sour What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, they were discussing Hillary's book on the Slate podcast. Yeah. Emily Bazelon, what's her name? I don't know. Emily Bazelon. And she can't stop talking about Graham Greenwell, Don Raff, his book.

3:02:31 A little interesting tidbit came up because I guess she got a pre-copy which wasn't a copy. You know, I guess sometimes they just send the manuscript? They send you what's called an uncorrected proof. Well, she received one of those and the state was rather interesting. Can I just take a moment here to complain? I had to read Glenn Greenwald's book when it was embargoed and he sent me this pile of printed out pages from a Word document. Every single one was stamped classified and half the lines were incredibly faint. I had to hold them up to the light. It was like a bizarre puzzle. Can we hear John? Why would it say classified? Does he work for the government?

3:03:29 Hooked into a very familiar no agenda theme and you know the depression is upon us ladies and gentlemen when the today show does this in 30 seconds Finally this morning a Costco in northern Virginia was the place to see be seen and pick up 100 boxes of mac and cheese if you needed yesterday Hillary Clinton was there on Saturday signing copies of her book when Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor popped in. The two hugged. Sotomayor said the meeting wasn't planned. She was just out shopping. She was out getting her hundred boxes of mac and cheese, right? Hey, I've heard this is a good read. Maybe I'll pick it up. There you go. And Dylan is here for their first check of the forecast. And now I'm craving a hundred boxes of mac and cheese. That's a hundred boxes of mac and cheese three times in 30 seconds.

3:04:12 My god! I did it for you. All right, let's do our Father's Day list. We had a bunch of people that came in on Father's Day. I want to say a couple of things here in advance. One, anything that came in after midnight will be picked up, you know, because we closed the thing at midnight because I have to go to bed and the spreadsheet needs to be done in the morning and that's just kind of the way it works.

3:03:29 Hooked into a very familiar no agenda theme and you know the depression is upon us ladies and gentlemen when the today show does this in 30 seconds Finally this morning a Costco in northern Virginia was the place to see be seen and pick up 100 boxes of mac and cheese if you needed yesterday Hillary Clinton was there on Saturday signing copies of her book when Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor popped in. The two hugged. Sotomayor said the meeting wasn't planned. She was just out shopping. She was out getting her hundred boxes of mac and cheese, right? Hey, I've heard this is a good read. Maybe I'll pick it up. There you go. And Dylan is here for their first check of the forecast. And now I'm craving a hundred boxes of mac and cheese. That's a hundred boxes of mac and cheese three times in 30 seconds.

3:04:12 My god! I did it for you. All right, let's do our Father's Day list. We had a bunch of people that came in on Father's Day. I want to say a couple of things here in advance. One, anything that came in after midnight will be picked up, you know, because we closed the thing at midnight because I have to go to bed and the spreadsheet needs to be done in the morning and that's just kind of the way it works.

3:04:54 I mean, Fernando de las Reyes is one of the guys who came with a special note and I told him I mentioned his name, I just did. But the other people that came in after midnight, I'm going to have to do a second reading next show because it just didn't get on the spreadsheet, I'm sorry. But we have this rule, everyone should know what it is and which is that Midnight PST is when the spreadsheet closes. I'm just saying it was dribbled in at 5 and 6 in the morning It was just like impossible last minute. Oh, yeah. Happy Father's Day. Yeah. Yeah Father's Day need some you Gerald small and Chesterfield, Missouri Good nays. Jay. These are people that wish happy Father's Day to us and their own fathers Jason wit Alan Morris, sir, Joseph Frost

3:05:40 And a lot of them, we mentioned earlier, the bigger donors, Jamie Graham, Joseph Green, 133 bucks, Kickass Pixels, Arjan Shorfar in Leipzig, Cindy Magoo, Bras Brun, Bronyx in Wurst, Dame Joni, Data Free, Paul Robertson, Mac Tank, Robert Mueller, Carolyn Pete, Ellen Hawes, Kevin Seifert, Naveed Khan, Sir Nate Wilson, William Young, Andy Benz, James Von Achen, or yeah, or Etchen Achen, I think. Mark Montgomery, Brian Thomas, or Dr. Sharkey, Karen Selsor, Make All Inc., Kenneth Learman Jr.,

3:06:34 Joy Leon Brown, Rick LaBanca. And these are people that are under 50, but I'm not going to say this exact amount because some of them are low and I'm not categorizing. Rick LaBanca, Jay Brown, Eric Brown, Drew Vieneman, Richard Clark, not that Richard Clark, Byte Fair, Brian Horvath, The Valiant Clothing Company. Lionheart of Selador, my father and myself, happy Father's Day. Joshua Dilsever, Mark Carter, who says he's a long time boner, first time donor, we had a lot of that, which I want to thank everyone who finally got involved with the show and gave us some support. Corey Fyock, Brian Leslie, Sir Roy Strahan, Ron Pointer, Joshua Mace, happy Father's Day. Robert Ballard, Marta Diaz,

3:07:34 Ashley Eisner, Jason Daniels wishes a happy Father's Day to his father. Mary, Mary, yeah, duty. Happy Father's Day. Marcos, who Billa Ben blessing Christopher Pierce, Christopher Walker, not that one online service. Actually, it's Jerry in Montreal or Jeremy in Montreal. Sorry, West Wendell, Thomas Emerson loves Michael Wendell here. What I say? Yeah. Michael Wendell, Thomas Emerson, Jordan Weeks, Benjamin Cavanaugh, Daniel Brewer, Paul Pierdman, or Pierdemon actually. Sean Johnson, Gerald Parker, Peter O'Rourke, Christopher Perkins, Robert Morgan, Jason Hodges, Derek Brandon, Jordan Stearns, Braddock Gaskill. That's a great name.

3:08:34 Detective Gaskill here. John Johnson, Brian Brown, and last but not least, Brian Casey. Lincoln Braun. Lincoln Braun. Lincoln, but I say. You said Brian Braun. Nah, Lincoln Braun. Anyway, he says happy Father's Day to all the producers out there. Happy Father's Day to the No Agenda Nation as a whole. Happy Father's Day to the fathers and also the two of us. And John, happy Father's Day, my friend. Happy Father's Day to you. Thank you. And to all of the No Agenda Nation, Dad's happy Father's Day. And happy Father's Day to my dad. Alrighty. Long show, but we got it all in. Yes. Yes. We'll be back on Thursday. More analysis, I'm sure. The Kagan's will be up to no good. Yep. We'll be all over them. More consulting groups and think tanks to keep track of.

3:09:23 And I'm very proud to be bringing my portion of this to you from the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the drone star state. Here in Austin, Texas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, it turns out to be a sunny day. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's sunny here as well. And watch your Dvorak on the twits today. That should be fun with Jolie O'Dell. I'll be there. And I'll be watching, sending you instant messages. And we'll be back on Thursday, right here on the best podcast in the universe on no agenda. Until then, in the morning. The GOP infighting is escalating. Political says Democrats are outright jitty. Happy to watch the GOP implode.

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