Fact Pattern

00:00 It's Karula Sade Wally... Karukwa. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorah. It's Thursday June 5th 2014 it's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 623! This is no agenda Dedicated to our sacred mission! And coming to you from FEMA Region 6 here at the Travis Heights Hideout in the capital of their own star state. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where i am burned out watching committee meetings, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! Oh man how many did you watch?

00:36 I only watched about three, but... Yeah but that's ten hours. That's 10 or 12 hours right there! Well the problem is okay here's what happened and this is gonna be bad Do we need bad music? Do we need do we need hold on let me see yeah I wasn't thinking about that But uh it's bad music Yeah that is kind of bad music So I'm watching the big, they're trying to push an amendment through to knock down the First Amendment of all things. Oh yeah that little ditty. Democrats... I'm doing your music here! I'm convinced that they're clinically insane at this point

01:20 So I'm listening, and I hear Jeff Sessions go on with it. He's got a really good little spiel in fact let me have a clip of it you have sessions there? I think so watch it. I remember coming through on my Google Drive no wait but don't have sessions I have oh yeah Jeff Sessions yep got that play this I just left simultaneously with the SI an environmental committee hearing in which one of the witnesses, a professor said he was severely damaged as result of his questioning some of the global warming arguments that are made out there. I think we're in a period time when speech is being threatened more than we would like to admit political correctness has often run amok Where's this guy from Sessions? What state? Alabama

02:09 Right, but I like what he's saying already and it's fundamental. It's actually this is it This is his little talk at the first amendment Amendment of the amendment this is in the Senate Yeah Is in the Senate and so anyway play the rest of it because it refers to two things that Americans be able to express their views without intimidation now think the great Democratic... Did he just do a line of coke? I have no idea. What was that?! Let me hear that! That was funny. ...I think the great... Hold on a second, I'll be right back! Democratic party that was so classically

02:51 liberal, is now becoming the party of the progressives. And progressives tend to believe that little things like tradition, procedures, rules even sometimes I think honesty can be subjected to the agenda that they believe is best for America And I'm telling you, I think this is serious. And I feel it repeatedly in our country and in the debate that we're engaged in. I just think tradition and constitutional order should be respected. In the long run will be better off

03:30 And we don't try to muzzle somebody who happens to have money and keep him or her, this business from being able to express views that they think are important for the public and maybe even their own interest. Okay so I hear this and say oh And by the end I want to stay on this topic before we actually let's I wanted there's a three or four topics today They're gonna be a little over-the-top. It's very bothersome to me that so I'm grumpy grumpy I wouldn't mind reading the actual Senate Joint resolution 19. I think they sent you a link to it or...I have it, but its in the show notes already It's very simple. Yeah, it's very simple. So I'll just read it to you there's two parts to it and actually there's four parts but two parts one for federal one for state and Here it is

04:22 To advance the fundamental principle of political equality for all and to protect the integrity of legislative and electoral processes, Congress shall have power... ...to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to federal elections including through setting limits on 1. The amount of contributions to candidates for nomination for Elections 2 or 4 Election 2 Federal Office and 2. And this is the egregious part the amount of funds that may be spent in support of or in opposition to such candidates. And that is so broad, that if I decided to open a... you know just give some money to some kids to run around and hold up signs, that could be legislated by Congress! Right

05:11 That's a problem. Well, that's what anybody who has any sense knows yeah This is a big problem But if you listen to the opening let's listen to a couple of these things I get my list The only one I have is the one I thought mattered was Cruz I got a couple of cruise things. The long cruise dialogue... It's five minutes, but he explains everything in that five minutes. That's all right go with your flow Yeah, let's but it's funnier though I have a funnier scenario the way it goes First lets start off by getting this thing off to a bang with the Harry Reid Opening. See what this is all about! No no I had to see- This is fantastic Let me just give it to him up front okay? There we go

05:51 Is there any member of this committee who really believed the status quo was good? Although he opposed billionaires using their own money to run for office, Senator McConnell now supports a billionaire's ability to fund today's campaigns and independent expenditures. In fact, he even declares today quote in our society spending his speech close quote How could everyday working American families afford to make their voices heard if money equals free speech? American families can't compete with billionaires if free speech is based on how much money you have. My Republican colleagues attempt to cloak their defense of the status quo in terms of noble principles

06:40 They defend the money pumped into our system by the Koch brothers I wasn't ready for it. I should have known I should have known. Mr President, I defy anyone to determine what the Koch Brothers are spending money on today politically. I'm not ready for all this. They've got all these phantom organizations they've got one now and now they got a new one on veterans uh-huh They've got one on senior citizens another name They must have 15 different phony organizations that they use to pump money into the system. This should be a song, you got 15 phony organizations... To hide who they really are The two wealthiest men in America Wrong! Interested in their bottom line Really? Are they the wealthiest man in America now all of sudden I don't believe that Not for a moment He's number one and he has been that way for awhile And Buffett is too

07:34 I had a very different Democrats had a very different clip from Reid. Okay, play it in 1998 I had a very close election with John Enson We spent about ten million dollars and we were allowed to do that because the Supreme Court again It left an opening That said you could divert money into the state party And that money can be corporate money could be any kind of money now that can be used for denigrating the other person or building the person who had the money up. So what's he complaining? Wait, wait, wait here can listen to the complaint this is the complaint you almost stepped on it that's the final and only thing counts there was a bad situation I felt so unclean for lack of better words Unclean What a dick! Well while he's being unclean we can jump around this is kind of like some performance art using these clips

08:38 Listen to this. This is Cruz outline, this is the clip Cruz outlines major donors he outlines the major donor's they put a little let's get some perspective on this and some honesty on this and then he also excoriates Reed for being a dick about the Koch brothers You know it's interesting if you look at The Open Secrets website which I would note as a nonpartisan group Man, this Cruz... He has got a lot going for him but his voice is not one of them My god, he sounds like he's talking through his clenched up butthole. He needs to work on that! It makes sense... His aria audition is good and his points are good and stuff is well written but yeah you got that squeaky voice And it comes across as swarmy and sticky and icky because he needs an eye job or something You just want to get him off of you. Like a slimy slug The top 16 donors

09:34 to campaigns from 1989 to 2014, 100% of them support predominantly Democrats or on the fence. The top three donors Our Act Blue, which has spent over $102 million. The American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees which has spent over $61 million dollars and the National Education Association which is spent over 58 million dollars Those are the top three Coke industries who we've heard so much about their number 59 You know there's a pattern in politics where when governments try to take the liberty of citizens away they try to distract them with shiny objects

10:15 So we've seen the majority leader repeatedly slandering two private citizens, the Koch brothers. On the floor of the Senate... There's a rule in the Senate that once one senator attacks and impugns the character of another senator you can rise on a point of personal privilege and I would note There is unfortunately no rule in the Senate that allows a private citizen whose name's being dragged through the mud by the majority leader of the Senate for partisan political purposes to rise on that same point of personal privilege. You know, isn't there also a Koch brother that is completely separated from two? There's a third Koch brother and he's like a complete Democrat. I don't know Yeah i think there is! I think there is like some guy... All I know is that the main two Koch brothers most of their giving away goes to public radio. Yeah exactly! Yes they do the ballet and you know these The arts fun stuff yeah good fun stuff um And anyway the thing

11:14 I think we should just take one second because this is so obvious for us when we read a joint resolution like this or bill, or an amendment that you know it's like well why wouldn't you want to get money out of politics? Or restrict that. And while there's validity to campaign finance and this is a campaign finance joint resolution in fact its called It's a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution. So this would be, you know part of the top things like freedom of the press and freedom speech and freedom for worship and religion and right to bear arms against search and seizure... This is would be one of those it would be a big one

11:58 And it's a amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to contributions and expenditures intended To affect elections, but when you say and they have been both at the federal and they're making provision for the state level That Congress I'll just repeat it. It's important understand exactly what's being said otherwise? It's you know A lot of people will try and shout you down if this comes up in conversation, and they'll say stuff like That seems to work for some reason but when it literally says Congress shall have power to regulate the raising and Spending so that's how you raise money and how you spend it And in kind equivalents blow jobs hookers anything like that with respect to federal elections including through setting limits So congressional limitations on how you can how much money you can raise or spend specifically for

12:53 The amount of contributions to the candidate, which I think there's some validity to regulating that but... to regulate the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support of or in opposition to such candidates which would mean everything else. That would mean me organizing a rally uh... Of course they it's intended to slow down commercial spend and advertising spend on television and radio and newspapers and interwebs but that That literally would, and I hate saying literally all the time but it is the literal meaning that it would not allow you to speak above a certain level of money. Well let's...I do have another clip for another cruise Or am I misinterpreting that? That's what it sounds like to me No no no

13:46 You're downplaying it, in fact. If you listen to Abrams this guy who is the free speech attorney that was there testifying but so you're not exaggerating that is what I'm saying. Play the clip, this is Cruz again and he was really on his game at this thing except for the way he said his voice but play The Money Is Speech clip then this is Ted Cruz. Okay... The second canard that's put forth is money is not speech. He shouldn't use words like canard, you know? Duck has nothing to do with it. I like the word canard. Canard is not a good word and it's not! Americans go what?!

14:28 If you want to communicate to people, then don't use French. I agree with you. If they hire the DeVore consulting we could change that. I would turn him down! He's beyond repair. I don't think we can help him. He does have good points here he comes... That has been repeated over and over again this hearing. Any first year law student who put that as his or her answer on an exam would receive a F because it is obviously demonstrably false and it has been false from the dawn of the Republic. Speech is not just standing on a soapbox, screaming on the sidewalk. From the beginning of the republic, the expenditure of money has been integral to speech. The Supreme Court said that pamphlets, the Federalist Papers and Thomas Paine's Common Sense took money to print and distribute putting up yard signs, putting up bumper stickers, putting up billboards

15:24 Podcasts, bloggers. Yeah that's the whole point Shut up! And by the way How come he didn't mention podcasting? This is why the guy's beyond repair. He knows nothing! Cunard

16:03 Oh, bonjour Jean. Oh I made a canard this morning so sorry i didn't mean to do that He does have this issue anyway So Harry Reid comes on he does his spiel and then Mitch McConnell Does the follow-up? I have a short...I think this is short I hope so The Mitch McConnell No no This is 7 minutes and 43 seconds That cant be the short one This one is designed To only play until I say stop or something Very quickly Thank you Mr Chairman Given how incredibly bad This proposed amendment is, I can't blame my friend the Majority Leader for wanting to talk about things like the Koch brothers or what I may have said over a quarter of century ago. I'm going to confine my remarks at what's before us and i want to start by thanking Senator Grassley for an absolutely outstanding observation about what the First Amendment was supposed to be about And at the very core of it of course

17:02 was political speech. Americans from all walks of life understand how extraordinary, how extraordinarily special the First Amendment is Like the founders they know that the free exchange of ideas and the ability to criticize their government are necessary for our democracy to survive Benjamin Franklin noted that quote whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness as he put it the freeness of speech That's enough. He goes on and on, he makes some good points but Cruz again is the guy who comes out with this long speech I took just a little bit of it he made his long plea was very emotional it was very good I have the first part here you have to endure this This is the bit Cruz comes out and then these guys are coming in and out doing voting someplace else

17:59 Cruz comes in and then he goes out, and then Schumer comes on an excoriates him. Yeah pretending to be talking to him but he's not there but he's not there yeah but he doesn't say he's not there at some point later But he's looking over as though he's talking to him And this is solely for soundbites...not sound bites but video bites just just to get it on the news I'm sorry well i was going to also say At the very beginning of the hearing which was packed packed hearing There were a bunch of people with signage, you know, where if you get the Koch brothers out, they'll basically say... And so that the news media there's about 25 camera guys there and they all flocked into the aisles and had these people hold up their signs and then shoot pictures. Oh yeah just to file it quickly alright let's get in alright good! But it but it's against the rules to have signage during the hearing and so they all put their signs away immediately and then but they may they're gonna make You know what that is? That's a farce

18:58 It's a farce. Which is the beginning of a canard Well, I don't know about the canard part but let's listen to the end of Cruz Oh you don't want to play Schumer? You want to go straight to Cruz? No no I want to play Cruz first so we get a little feeling for the emotions he has got going This is Cruz Part 1 Then we played Schumer then we played Cruz again Alright good This amendment if adopted would give Congress the power to ban books and to ban movies And by the way Citizens United was about finding a movie maker who made a movie critical of Hillary Clinton. Mr Chairman, Ray Bradbury would be astonished because we are seeing Fahrenheit 451 Democrats today the American people should be angry about this and Mr Chairman the Senators who put their name to this should be embarrassed

19:46 that they have signed up for repealing the free speech amendments of the First Amendment. Thank you. I have the entire speech, which i'll put in the show notes and people can go listen to the whole thing but I didn't know that Citizens United was...that's what that case was about I didn't realize that. There's also another explanation here, the guy... what is his name? The one character from Utah, the older guy he had a little... in fact we can take it aside and play the... this is worth listening to so we can get people straightened out on Citizens United This is the explanation, explain Citizens United

20:22 quickly. And he's asking Abrams and the other guy to testify about this. His prepared statement, Professor Raskin says that the Supreme Court decision in Citizen United versus FEC eliminated the statutory provision quote that kept trillions of dollars in corporate wealth from flowing into federal campaigns unquote I think that's a misleading description of the case as I read it The Citizens United case involved a non-profit organization, not a wealthy for profit corporation and the case did not involve campaign contributions at all. Am I right? Yes it didn't...it did not involve contributions uh...at all and it left standing of the contribution section so... Also have we seen a flood of corporate wealth flowing into federal campaigns since its Citizen United committee decision

21:12 We have seen a lot of individuals giving money. That's where the big money has come from. We have seen an increase in the amount of money from what I'd call Main Street rather than Wall Street What we've not seen is precisely what was predicted. We have not seen enormous sums, let alone trillions of dollars from the biggest companies in America flowing into the electoral process that just hasn't happened. Well, there you have it. I've been misinformed! You've been misinformed? Everyone's been misinformed. Now here comes Schumer after the... this is like a few testimonies after Cruz has gone, Schumer steps in to just do this Senator Cruz says that we should be embarrassed about this amendment. I'll tell ya Senator Cruz, I'm embarrassed about how our system is distorted

22:11 by literally now billions of dollars coming into this system undisclosed, unregulated and unanswered. And Senator Cruz maybe he fancies himself to be a constitutional expert He knows that no amendment is absolute. He's a constitutional- His rhetoric his over the top rhetoric here makes it seem like if you support this amendment your against the first amendment Well, I want to ask you Senator Cruz are you against anti-child pornography laws? He's not here. But would he be against anti-child pornography laws? Does that make him against the First Amendment, is he an absolutist on the First Amendment?" Wow. He's now comparing pornography to campaign support? Interesting! Is he against the ability to falsely scream fire...that you should...? Does he think everyone should be false allowed to falsely scream fire? False false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false false

23:09 He's doing it like a false double negative. I want to hear what he is trying to say! Is he against the ability to falsely scream fire that you should... Does he think everyone should be allowed to falsely scream fire in a crowded theater? Falsely scream fire?! Well, and if anyone's opposed to that are they opposed to well okay? No I think he's got a point. I think that You should not be allowed to yell fire in the theater But you should be in the middle of a love scene be allowed to yell The whole first amendment against free speech libel laws

23:47 If you're for libel laws, does that mean you're against free speech and you're against the first amendment? Absolutely. What is it? A bunch of anyway, you can stop. It's almost done. I like it. I want to hear the rest of this good. We have always had balancing tests for every amendment some of my colleagues on the other side I know don't believe there should be one for the Second Amendment. I believe there should but I believe there's a right to bear arms What? What is he that what just say when did that just happen? The Second Amendment, I believe there should but I believe there's a right to bear arms Oh And I don't like seeing it through a pinhole, but that's neither here nor there always had balancing test for every

24:35 That's what he that's what he's doing. He's nuts so I think he's behind this amendment by the way, he's First signatories. He's not one of the later signatories The first group which they're all day and by date you can look at him Yeah So this is from udall udall yeah tom udall the dumbest guy in Congress. He uses a front man I think Schumer used it let's see Picture that I put in the newsletter of him. The guy looks like his IQ is 90 Okay, so the first to sign up were Harkin? Yep And Schumer yep Shaheen

25:16 She's from Delaware. White House, oh my gosh, you're so judgmental today! White House from Hawaii that we've heard her talk about the interwebs. Tester from Massachusetts and our favorite of course Boxer your girlfriend there Where is she from now? Minnesota? She's out of Jersey. I'm sorry, California. I don't know why I said Minnesota. California! Then we have Coons, Delaware and King... Angus King These were all on the 18th. Murphy Wyden Franken, of course

25:58 Franken on the wrong side of this one club club car Amy oh And then we of course have you doll and after that came Johnson Menendez Yeah, they all can I like a reed Blumenthal to but are there any Republicans Republicans on this or just all Democrats right? All right. Yeah, it's actually two independents in them including So all these people should be You they need to be as what's the word you know it out X excoriated Excoriated a story about five minutes later. Maybe longer Cruz comes back mm-hmm He sits down and I guess he was briefed on what Schumer had said And here's what in this dish is the short part of it? Here's what Cruz has to say I'm gonna recognize

26:48 Senator Cruz, I think Senator Hatch has already asked. I'll recognize Senator Cruz and ask Senator Franken if he would come up here and preside. If you like go vote On the franken gets to hold the gavel he loves that he loves being the boss. Oh god, she gets all beamy and stuff Thank You mr. Chairman I recognize you at the outset i'd like to say I understand that in my absence Senator Schumer very kindly gave a lecture on civility and Encouraged me not to go over-the-top while he then

27:26 In the same breath accused me of supporting child pornography. So I appreciate that demonstration and senatorial restraint from the senior Senator from New York Let me say to the members of this panel welcome, thank you for joining us He's a good lawyer. It is a lawyer. He's a lawyer his wife's a Goldman Sachs er I mean The guy is he could not be more perfect GOP But he's just, it makes you feel so icky and swarmy. And that long speech was good. You know who I was listening to his voice after you pointed out? He sounds almost like exactly like although most people we don't have a close at hand in Eclipse but Joe McCarthy

28:11 Joe McCarthy the guy who had started all those hearings about the communists and waving empty sheets of paper and doing all this other stuff He has exactly the same voice. I'm gonna have to cry to find from the 50s really well, but wasn't that just me? I think that's because of the microphones back in the day. So do I mean he's doing it naturally We can have a little bit of Joe McCarthy that I can play for you from this is June 9th 1954 at the army McCarthy hearing Nasty it's you're right Cruise sounds like he's talking through a 1950s microphone and broadcast system. It's very hard to emulate Yeah, that's what it is. It's nothing else Hmm interesting I got one more cruise clip if you want to play it sir. I'd like to point out that I have had CNN on here on the desktop throughout the what are we in now? We're at 29 minutes into the program

29:11 and not a single peep about this hearing. Not a sound bite, not a lower third, not nothing! It's all about what? A gunman was dressed in fatigues... it's all about other distractions of minor infractions yeah it sucks when someone gets killed isn't is not good but these are very important issues that are just completely And I would believe purposely being ignored. Yeah, I would say so. So welcome to your podcast Well, I mean Mitch McConnell did say even though they have all these co-signers for this thing He says this is not gonna ever get passed. I mean the house will block it for sure

29:55 But the, even the Senate there's a number of Democrats that are too sensible to vote for this thing. So they probably lose 10 of them because they don't have all the Democrats only have 40 42 at 40 cause two of them are independents right? Anyway, I just want to play one more little Cruz thing because it was on a roll and I thought this was good because he... This is one of the few things where he actually finishes it off with the blogger thing. And I'm thinking, Is that really a good thing? The third canard is that corporations have no rights. Canard! I am telling you, this is an issue. That gets repeated an awful lot Again, you get an F in law school if you embrace that position The New York Times is a corporation CBS is a corporation

30:40 Paramount Pictures and Simon & Schuster are corporations. The Sierra Club is a corporation, the NRA is a corporation that NAACP as a corporation, La Raza is a corporation None of the people who say corporations have no rights would possibly suggest that well Congress can then prevent the NAACP from speaking can prevent La Raza from speaking can muzzle The New York Times That position is obviously false Nobody has disagreed with the litany of harms that could occur if Congress passed this bill. The ability to muzzle citizens, to muzzle labor unions from organizing because that's an in-kind expenditure. The ability to silence bloggers...

31:26 No, I was thinking about this. You know he actually makes an interesting point because when you watch Democracy Now or any of these shows they go on about the evil corporations but they don't discuss it. They never bring up the non-profits and the... It's Eric Webb's evil corporation. If you really boil it down the only thing everybody is pissed off about are by are the Koch brothers! That's what its' about! Koch Brothers!!! So here's my suggestion. I've been thinking about this We should kill the Koch brothers. Just arrest them, kill them and then be done with I mean I'm sure we can come up with some kind of amendment or sick the IRS on him just-I'm sure they've done something illegal somewhere like Al Capone! I'm sure we can get them on something go ahead and do it just please go get the Koch brothers throw em in the dungeon. So we don't have to hear this anymore? Oh man it would just would be so nice I'm gonna call you back John I can feel the thing is like cutting out a little bit. You're giving up on your head? Yeah yeah just a little bit

32:25 Yeah, well we'll just do this. Coke Brothers! Here we go. Lost my mouse. Well there's no evidence people want to use that thing anyway so... That's true it's a fact I was too deep into this thing. This little shaggy dog story because i began it with the Sessions thing saying so when sessions mentioned the guy being excoriated in front of a subcommittee

33:01 I call Sessions office. Ah as you would do? As i would do and I asked for one of the assistants to answer some questions about, and it's funny they're very amenable senators not so much as the representatives The people in the house I believe never get called They're so happy when oh John is calling again! Oh yeah! When anybody calls they think its great The Senators are busy And I think many of them are cheap, so they don't have big staff. Because this one... Jeff Sessions office? Yeah, I have a couple questions Yes! How can i help you? Oh you sound like Mr. Dvorak the C stands for caps lock how ya doing John?! I'd like to know what the thing- pretty good. I'd like to know what the meeting was that sessions led he was at talking at the amendment meeting for

33:50 Could you get to the point? You're really confusing me. No, no he was at this campaign finance and he mentioned that he was at something else and he came running in I want to know what that other subcommittee was What was it? And? Well that's what i wanna know! What was the committee name? I don't know Can you find out?! Yeah sure can I get back to you No, actually she says can I put you on hold? Oh that's nice. Now normally when you call up one of these offices they have a bunch of assistants and one was oh Jerry would know about that and then she'll, Jerry will call you back but no this apparently this one girl in Washington was doing everything so answering the phone doing research So she didn't really help me as much as a representative but

34:38 She turned me on to something I didn't know about. Which is that all the major committees... You need to back off from the mic one hair, you're just overdriving it. All of these she pointed out that all these committees and subcommittees have a website, which is very much like the Google website where you have voice.google so you do Yeah, you do sessions dot house.gov not sessions it would be like subcommittee name dot senate gov. Oh okay And you get there and there's a they they we have over the years I suppose cataloged all their meetings with video

35:16 Oh no, you're kidding me. And it's not video that C-SPAN plays It's just raw video of these meetings all of them. Huh? Like the dipshit meeting of the year there is a video of it You just have to know when it happened. Right. You can look them up by date So I ran over and said this is a problem now. Because there's plethora... Is there an index somewhere? Is there searchable index of these sessions that you can find? Not that I know of, but if you know what the subcommittee or committee owns the subcommittee, then you could get to any one of those things they've done. Or just ways of looking it up with Google Search possibly

35:58 Whatever the case is, there's a ton of stuff that never gets played. And you went and recorded something for us? It's like... it's a gold mine! I'll play some of this stuff later in the show when we get off of these topics, which was an environmental committee about the coal. And it was four guys only four guys two Democrats to oppose either small committees but they bring these experts in and these experts yak away and it's all there. So this is now a bottomless pit of new material for us. And I have a clip here from one of the sessions? Sometimes fascism benefits. Oh, that came from

36:41 Anyway, back to the. There was, I... maybe have one or two. I mean, I got too many clips on this freedom of speech thing. Franken went off the deep end and Franken had it. Franken's thing was disingenuous if you want to- I don't mind listening to him because i like laughing about him. Well he comes on at first, he does some schtick. Well it's time to reiterate for people who are too young to know probably that Al Franken was a comedian an actor? I would say comedian more than actor Yeah, he is a comedian most famously was on Saturday Night Live for many, many seasons I think. Years and years wasn't he? Yeah. For a long time. And he had the Stuart Smalley bit which is kind of cute and sometimes you would be... if you give him the right lines he's good but he kinda thinks he's funny. He does think he's funny but he does possess at the beginning this I think they have that back-and-forth with Sessions

37:41 You talked about your reference, but we haven't played a clip about he does it all back and forth with sessions Because he's been in professional comic. He may not be funny per se But he will have an absolute sense of timing so he can get laughs that way oh yeah No, he's got the time this is Frank and I play that one Frank it Thank you mr.. Chairman Thank you, and to recognize myself I just heard recognize yourself. I do look in the mirror right? See and now he's doing the small e bit Yeah, look and I'm I'm incapable He was a writer of the chat room points out correctly that he was mainly a writer on the show

38:22 Which is, makes sense. Uh and I recognize myself here. I knew you would handle that deftly And of course the other guys are all like hey i'm doing improv! I'm doing improv with franken look at me! Don't do it This is the definition of a canard right there Thank- You did thank you so did you. Oh painful It's good to see you, Mr. Abrams You actually defended me on a First Amendment case So I did And you won, it was brilliant Thank you I remember what you said to me after I won What did I say? Even the chip could have won that case Hey! They're doing shtick this is pretty good That's alright and I...I was right Wow

39:14 Okay, that's good. All right. He wins back points with me on this About your Brilliant lawyer and I noticed it in your testimony in written testimony professor Raskin. I want you to speak to this Mr Abrams says that appeared that it quote appears That citizens United has not caused a flood of new money and politics he says twice actually uses the word twice It appears that way Now, from my experience I know Mr. Abrams is an excellent lawyer so i know he chooses his words carefully and he says that it appears that way because there's really no way that we know There's really no way that we know... And Mr. Abrams himself has said that for getting rid of all limits entirely We're talking about intimidation about speech Suppose the corporation comes up and there are no limits

40:23 and says to a senator, if you vote this way on this bill we will spend $100 million dollars to defeat you. It's fine isn't that fine? I mean it is according to this logic Yeah That's just free speech Look but on the empirical question let me just say this No no and then they can either put 100 million in or not They don't even have to put it into intimidate ya That's right The numbers that I've seen have gone up dramatically and the numbers that we haven't seen, the 501c4s, the social welfare groups, the c6's, the trade associations, the dark money.

41:10 Okay, that's Raskin who just hit once can I ask you a question of conscience and well? Make one observation before you asked the question Of course which is how is this any different than what happens today when the Sierra Club goes up to you and says if You're not for global warming. We're gonna defeat you right The only thing that's different Is it the only thing as difference is he saying 100 million dollars instead of 10 or whatever And and that is the question I'm going to ask because I believe That if the system works as it, I think it does. And these and our representatives in Congress are indeed our representatives and money represents voice and speech etc., I think you know if there truly is some rule that is so egregious to put into place that you would have to buy off votes for hundreds of millions of dollars

42:05 This would be something of such magnitude and outrage if you couldn't just get it done. I mean, do you know how much money to make a hundred million dollars back? This is not easy! This is a bogus argument this is a... Specious argument. This is what he's doing it Yeah, it makes some logical sense in the in the this isn't remember that clip we played I guess there's fantasy land because in or in candyland because why can't people think the worst? Remember that from Bill Moyers I don't understand why people can't see the worst-case scenario and live by that Thinking all right Can I move us kind of transition us here from this to something else anything okay?

42:51 So why do we have to listen to these arguments about a hundred million dollars when not a single second is spent on a promise and the promise has a name, I'm going to give you the name. The European Reassurance Initiative also known as the ERI which our president said oh i'm gonna go get a billion dollars to put war crap here in Poland! I've come here first and foremost to reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of Poland. Enduring commitment? I'm sorry, I like Polish people but when am responsible for them?! We're on track with our missile defense program including interceptor sites

43:37 here in Poland. As we saw this morning, our American aviation detachment... Here is the first regular presence of US forces in Poland. We continuously rotate additional personnel and aircrafts into Poland and the Baltics We will be expanding our exercises and training with allies to increase the readiness of our forces. I know President Komorowski is a great champion of the effort to modernize the Polish military, and we welcome the announcement that he just made about an even greater commitment. We'll increase the number of American personnel, army and air force units continuously rotating through allied countries in Central and Eastern Europe. I'm calling on Congress to approve up to 1 billion dollars to support this effort? Yeah! One billion dollars to put war machinery into Poland and meanwhile we're screaming...

44:32 Not a single person is even bothered by this. I am! Even bothered! Show it to me, show me the report? This- you know, you had to get this off of C-SPAN just to get a clip and then we have... Oh, I'm trying to contain myself. Victoria Noodleman All right, Newland is what she calls herself. How many times have I said she's married to Robert Kagan? Who was Frederick Kagan's brother the peanut guy one of the people who got us into Iraq. I have to keep reminding people Yes you do and she goes up on stage and she's

45:12 Just and she's got a little suit on look in you know her little sailor suit You know the one with the blue or the white stripe. Yeah, it looks good on her by the way The sailor suit looks good with the sailors who does and carries off to the side beaming with pride and her husband you wave But her husband Robert is on stage with her Wow and care now Robert Kagan is not a politician He is a professor and he's on stage. Well, he's her husband Oh Yeah, oh yeah And now he works for the FBI the Foreign Policy Institute I think which is a you know It's like the project for New American Century it is THE Think Tank that will get us into Eurasia or thwart anything that our evil guy is doing

46:03 So first, just a little quick montage of her about how she's just- Oh! This is the Renaissance. It's the Renaissance in Europe everybody! It's the European Reassurance Renaissance Initiative and then she thanks her husband What's required is a transatlantic renaissance A new burst of energy Can you feel it Europe? We're giving you a burst of energy we have to be that beacon Where your beacon Together we must lead or we will see the things that we value and our global influence recede. Oh, okay! We have to lead so we don't recede? Interesting... It means funding equipping and training our militaries to be ready to defend our freedom And advance our security interests wherever they are needed Fuck it! Fuck Hillary make her president! Defend our freedom Our military must be at the ready for the e- For uh... Oh wait must be? BOOTING!!!

47:00 And while you're at it, go get the coke brother! Fuck him! Nuke them all! And abroad there is no place where our generosity and our experience and our ideals are more needed today than on Europe's own periphery. They need- Hello Europe! Hold up. It would have been funny if she actually said Poland. Hold on... Hello Europe You need us We're coming to help you Alright, and now she thanks her husband. Ooh! I'm so in love! I know! Her planet Earth? Yes

47:48 Is she God or is she the sun? What is she? Yeah, good question. What's her relationship to this planet Earth? Let's listen again. I'm Lee Mike Hagan. Mike Hagan...I think we should...you're my Dvorak. I am your Curry He is my Mars he's my Venus he's my planet Earth. He is my Mars he's my Venus he's my...so Mars-Venus-Planet what are we missing? Mercury! She might be Mercury There's no relationship between Mercury, Planet Earth and Venus. She either has to be the moon or the sun or God in some way Maybe she is thinking of song lyrics like I'm your venus? I don't know what she is thinking

48:29 But would you listen that whole spiel? By the way, I don't want to dwell on this but i will. Yeah please Why would there be three things why can he just be He's my beacon or is my son Or he's my light of this You know she's about...I don't know why she's even being This corny but she is Why does it have to be Mars and Venus and planet What does have to be three things what Is the deal with that Well obviously She's MKUltra Obviously Kagan has her completely under his control And she is the assistant I think that you address her as ambassador actually. She is the assistant or deputy Secretary of State it listen, you know me out let me look I think you have to address her as ambassador. I don't know Let's check now if we're gonna make fun every might as well make fun of her properly with their proper title I believe she is deputy

49:19 No, assistant secretary is what it's called. But not just assistant secretary she's Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs That's a big deal And we know that she is How does she go from spokeshole to that. Yes, that's a very short path but it's obvious we already knew she was the... I mean every assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs does stuff like this. Hell yeah! Fuck the EU. That's right

49:57 That's how you act as an American. And she is being controlled by the Kagan, her Kagan! It's not my husband, my love of life... You know we're accepting an award and why is she even doing that? But okay She just said I'm going to bring them bad and nasty to Europe. I'm bringing it. I'm bringing the army, I'm bringing force, I'm bringing a renaissance A burst of energy and its all thanks to my Kagan. The periphery. And finally my Kagan He is my Mars, he's my Venus. He is my planet Earth If I ever win an award that what im gonna say And finally Mike Hagen He is my Mars, he is my Venus, he is my planet Earth Mike? Hagen? My no his name is Robert it's Mike Hagen Maybe its nickname is Mike No...no..no Mike Hagen You're right! These people are all insane John you're absolutely right Ok this clip of the day take it Really?! Are you sure wait

50:54 Mars Venus and come on. I can't top that I got tons of clips, but there's no way to top that What if I topped it myself? I might taught my own clip of the day Well alright You know if you think the Americans are... My Kagan, my son, my moon. She's this woman is clinically insane these are the people running this country No no no The person who is clinically insane is Herman van Rompuy Well that too And he is still This an interesting topic because he is still the president of the EU These are unelected positions and right now there is a battle between What's his name? The banker guy, the German banker. Junker. Yeah Junker So Junker but then we have Angela Merkel saying she would like Christine Lagarde Right she's got her name has been brought up way too much and Tony Blair is also starting to I don't think he'll make a move But go to a woman! But I think Lagarde... Can you imagine?! And they joked about it that it would have Hillary in America Lagarde in Europe

51:58 It's not hard to see how she would be better than this guy. This is, and as you recall we have a nickname for him. Do you remember his nickname? Haiku Herman because he likes writing and reciting haikus And he recently received the Prime Minister of Japan. I will greet you with a beautiful haiku written by Yamaguchi Sōdō some 300 years ago, I see the surprise in the eyes of your master... Yeah no shit! I see the surprise and yeah the guy's going like what are you doing? What?! Quote in Japanese. Now, let me tell you something I learned and our short journey to Tokyo that if you're not nailing the pronunciation The Japanese pretty much don't know what the hell you're saying If you're not absolutely nailing it they'll look at you like what? So it's not-it's not like you can speak with a British accent an American can kind of figure out or Cockney accent It's...It's a little harder if you're not completely nailing it. I don't know if he is

53:01 But I have my doubts. And he's gonna translate it though! Yes, and i'm hard now What's the point of that? The season's first bonito, which is a tuna. What is the point?! I don't know it was written 300 years ago and apparently the Japanese loved his rendition of it Yeah, I'm sure they did So well Chuck a chuckling of a chuckling amongst themselves. I think I should keep this as an evergreen. Me ni wa Aoba Yama Ototo Gisu Hatsu gatsu wo

54:00 I think we should keep that. That's not coming today, no no no but we should just keep it someone's gonna want to hear that as a donation so but it's possible anyway I would like to thank you John for wrapping all of that up for us the blatant attack on the First Amendment of the United States of America so I thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C Dvorak well in the morning to you Adam Curry As he looks for the spreadsheet. And in the morning to all the ships at sea out there, boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames out there. And knights yes. And I'll say In The Morning to everyone in the chat room our human resources there noagendastream.com NoAgendaChat.net and In The Morning to all of our artists thank you Comic Strip Blogger for the episode art for 622

54:53 There were a number of good ones. Nick the Rat had a pretty good one, Martin... Yeah I think Nick the Rat was it Nick the Rat or Martin JJ? It was just too much he like threw everything in there. I think it was Nick yeah and he kind of threw everything in there and I want to remind people that we should-I have to shrink the art down by 50%. Just think about and sometimes having a problem with the album art in general now again trying to figure that out uh it's not showing up on all players and all podcatchers But when it does, it's going to be smaller and also it's smaller in the show notes. We always have the big large blown up version but bear that in mind when you're putting little letters at your punchline It is very hard to read often in all forms so it really has to be pretty visual in order to see what you know...what you got going on

55:42 And of course, NoahArtGenerator.com is where you can find all of our submissions We use many of them for newsletters and other purposes and we appreciate all the work our artists do I think we've said many times that The show really does not do as well with shitty art Fact no it's a fact. It's a fact we've learned the art is a big element, but this effect is not showing up on the That's the problem iTunes thing as weird its its partially. It's a long story that system is deteriorating I get grief from people that say, oh, I love this app. It works perfectly but no it doesn't really they added all these... They changed the way they do things they used to take the album art out of the mp3 file itself and now you have To put it into the channel itself but in order for

56:36 Feed to be valid, it also has to be hosted on the same URL. There's a lot of crap that comes into it I don't want to bore you and I'm trying to make it automated so I don't have to do this stuff by hand every single time because when I do it by hand... When your editing an XML file by hand let me tell you after three hours of show this is where mistakes come into play and really dumb shit happens, and I don't want that. So i'd rather...I'm still figuring it all out so we're working on that. Working on that. Yeah It'll eventually get fixed. Of course it will get fixed! We have a lot of executive producers and associate executive producers to thank today Well this is good news! Yeah it is. Philip Fautenhauer

57:15 P-F-O-T-E-N H-A-U-E-R in Tampa, Florida. $1,450.33. Wow! He wanted to be an instant knight right to baronet. So he's an insta-baronet because he has already given us enough money... He is an aquanet He received a promotion and figured it was time to donate. I would like to finish off my knighthood and toss in an instant knight to baronet for good measure." Wow! Would like to know what John thinks of Glenn Fittich as an everyday Scotch, I prefer the 18. Special thanks to The Shill for helping me square away the accounting

57:51 Please give me a Huntsman, a D-Douche and a Jobs Karma. Keep up the good work." He rings size 11 I told him about their... Yeah, NoahGeneration.com slash rings. Well thank you very much our instanet Philip this is fantastic! Let me get my... I'm sorry? No before you do the call, he wants to buy Glen Fittich which i like a lot myself it's a good very good scotch the 18. I think they actually did I think that 12 is acceptable The 18, 18 year old most scotch brands are all good. I've really run... I got really hooked on that Santori stuff what is it the? Suntory yeah the blend of stuff they make in Japan 12-year Santori doesn't matter what it is I like all of it Yeah well the eighteens are all across the board outstanding and then finishes particularly good so I was really blown away by them wow I haven't tasted this because I'm just a simple bourbon guy Jim Beam

58:45 Actually, I've decided there's a number of good burgers. We should talk about this sometime but... Well do it now! Well, I don't want to talk in too much detail but I have to say that the 12, not the 12, but the reserve old crow which is in a liter and it's a black label and it's cheap, like 13 bucks a liter. Old Crow you say? Old Crow Reserve! Which is not that easy to find turns out but old crow reserve It's straight up shots. It is absolutely bourbon. Does it get you hammered? Well if you took enough shots, but one shot isn't going to get anybody that normal hammered. But it is absolutely bourbonesque.

59:30 A lot of people would argue about Olcro versus other cheap bourbons, but the 86 proof which you shouldn't 80 proofs Bourbon's are considered a violation of the bourbon law by urban experts. Oh really? So you need to have at least 86 for council of bourbon Yeah, but this old crow black label reserve straight shots. Mickey's writing it down I know she's right not a sipping It's not a sipping bourbon It's a shot shots and note not on rocks nothing straight down straight shot Then you maybe have a glass of water or something afterwards Because I'm really a barbarian III like I do three cubes some Jim Beam and then sparkling water

1:00:10 I'm sure that's wrong in so many ways. Well, you know it's not wrong necessarily but it is not getting the full impact of the bourbon. But get a shot glass. Let me write this down. Old Crow Reserve. Do I do this in my HEMA underwear or can I wear anything? Anything you want just make sure your pointing south. I don't really understand this situation. Another tip from the best podcast news David you have a glass of water nearby they actually even enhances the flavors Sir, David Foley 623 he is not remember. Yeah, so close again 623 33 loss lost gatos it has no note I didn't use and he said a

1:01:15 I didn't find a note from him in my email either, so he's getting to the point where he... He's just like, I wanna be Grand Duke. He's gonna go to Grand Duke. I don't care what else happens! I dunno what to tell you. Good on him. David Brynjolfsson, I'm thinking that's how you pronounce his name? Anyway, he's a pseudo-NEM. I'm sorry, he was going for the pseudo NEM. Oh! I should mention that Eric was on the road when he did this and so you get to keep an eye out for birthdays in other ways. Spoon Collection. Stonation for 333, almost 300 shows late I've decided that would match my money spent on marijuana or marijuana accessories with a donation of the same amount Was this a stonation or what? It's not! It has to be the 420 dot 33 right Yeah The best podcast universe I recommend whatever your drug of choice is alcohol tobacco painkillers Hell If people ever learn to donate to ad-free educational software i will send even more This is an interesting topic

1:02:15 Not just educational software. But you know, I use... there's lots of open source software that in fact the show runs on Audio Rack Suite and i'm still preparing my whole it's a whole multi-camera production to show everyone how this is running And these guys do open source and I send them like 100 bucks two years ago And then they did another release and I sent another hundred bucks You people need support your independent software developers This is unless you want to be stuck with just fucking apps that steal your stuff Support your independent software developers, and if you're using a program and using it for awhile And you like it. You know send them some money think about the value you're getting out of that program You need to do this would you remember when there was shareware? And then yeah now It's all scam wear here's what bothers me

1:03:08 So you go on to, so you're looking for some free editor or a free backup program or something that you can maybe support. As opposed to these horrible commercial products that you get with these hard drives when you buy them at Costco. These things don't even work! Those Costco guys I'm telling ya. And it's not the drive makers they put this crappy backup software oh you can back up and its like crappy backup software and you don't even get the full version you have to pay money for this its just terrible and stuff doesn't work very well But nowadays, because the people aren't donating enough or the shareware business is off not working well or there's... Or the scammers themselves have ruined it. You go to a download site and says you know

1:03:52 Oh, I know. And it says click the download button and you get some .exe file! Yeah just go with that, that'll be fine. Or they have all these different... try this try that or you can go to one of those bugs, I've written about this is you want a copy of OpenOffice for machine your building let's say And so you go and instead, and you make some mistake. Instead of going to openoffice.org or something... I just need to set this up for a second So we have to understand that you are now at this point You've got your green visor on hey i'm building a machine You've already got your motherboard in Now I want to load some OpenOffice on this machine I'm building Go! Yeah! And then I'm going in there and I find that I get to some scam site

1:04:41 It says download open office here you click on it and and it starts. It says would you? And during the download process of when you actually execute the file to install, it says would you like this product because this is good for you right or installs a toolbar or some other crap like that. And you get a bunch of weird stuff contaminating your machine, and now your browser doesn't work right and all of the sudden Twitter's got ads all over it. You know it's unbelievable the crap they try to scam you with. By the way I want to mention something if somebody is trying to trick you into using their product these are not honest people. I would never give them money

1:05:26 Right. This is not typically how I come across software, I'm not searching that way or I'll look at communities and look at things that are... If you just go to Google which i am no longer using although if your searching for news stories you still have to resort back to google if you want something au courant I'll look around, we'll talk to people and someone will give me a pointer. You know GitHub and stuff like that you got to do a little work just going...I love the CNET. CNET has it download dot com or whatever that's one of the biggest

1:06:04 Scams. No, it's horrible! Download.com used to be one of the best places... Yes no longer. Now they got a bunch of oh try this try that or did and they have the big download button which is not to download what you're looking for? That bothers me yeah now I hear ya okay so when you find something that is not a scam and its useful in someone's making it pay them and don't go searching for codes Anyway, Spoon Collection 333-33 HMFIC in Montpelier Vermont. This is the head MOFO in charge. He's back! Oh my gosh this is our... he kicked off our coverage of Bo Diddley which is a new name we're using. And he's in

1:06:55 Following Sunday's show, it has been interesting to watch the Bo Bergdahl-Bo Diddley scandal blow up in the face of the administration. I'm extremely proud of the warfighter community." It is interesting that's a word... "...The warfighter community for not letting the facade of Bo, The Returning Hero stand..." In fact, did you get the Susan Rice clip? I have an entire theory on this! I do too but at least play the Susan Rice clip as short and sweet This is that idiot twerp Susan Rice. He served the United States with honor and distinction, and we'll have the opportunity eventually to learn what has transpired in the past years but what's most important now is his health and well-being that he have the opportunity uh...to recover in peace and security and be reunited with this family yes and alright you get to do that I get to know I did not make this montage

1:07:51 I have the original in the show notes, so forget where i got it from. So there's a little music track underneath it besides the honor and distinction meme we had these sacred duty President Obama on a global stage this morning defending a sacred mission to return US prisoners of war We don't leave people behind It will be with its a sacred duty to bring them back etc And there is a sacred bond with our men and women in uniform That is a sacred obligation. The president pushed back by saying he has a sacred trust I think he actually said it very well, what i just heard which is a sacred principle We still have a sacred obligation to bring that person back Sacred Sacred Sacred Sacred Sacred Sacred We have a sacred obligation that we've upheld since the founding of our republic

1:08:37 Sacred! I love the way they come up with this stuff and then they slip it into the mainstream consciousness. Sacred, let's look at the definition of sacred shall we? Yes, please. All right sacred adjective worthy of religious worship very holy relating to religion Highly valued and important deserving great respect I'm sure they mean that clearly Clearly clear dedicated or set apart for the service or worship of a deity so this sacred thing man That's That's out of control. Yes, I have a theory let's talk about that after we get done with this. We'll move into that subject The response was immediate visceral and deafening says the sergeant well i'm happy america is hearing the truth i'm also deeply saddened as the media coverage Of bow did just what I predicted bumped the va scandal off the news radar and some people have noticed this but it's not they haven't noticed It with much enthusiasm

1:09:36 As usual, thanks to the best podcast in the universe. The No Agenda Nation was ahead of the game and the lamestream media was scrambling to catch up I'm on the edge of my seat to hear your analysis and deconstruction of this saga on Thursday's show that's today I was so worked up when sending the note for Sunday show I forgot to ask for a de-douching shot of karma Yeah well, and I'm quite frankly Dismayed that we didn't think of it ourselves. We were probably all worked up about it I didn't think he needed a de-douching well He does now here comes his deducing and a big ass karma coming your way You've been de-dooched! You've got Karma, and thank you to the head mofo in charge HMFC Hotel Mike Fox Indria Charlie

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1:13:36 Okay, so yeah, but he also wants medicine is that what he wants now? Well ahead of us no problem Already science obey you will obey you will obey God's karma Hey Jackie Priester down there in Monterey, California $200 and she sent in a check to the post office box three three nine And a note another card. It's a nice little card with handwritten note I'll read it nice it cursive No, but very very readable like high-end printing so nice you know what? I mean yeah Yeah, I know what you mean

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1:16:18 That's a converse. That is a podcast in itself, I wouldn't mind hearing it would be How about some karma for her and her three grand human resources on the way? Hillary what difference does it make for dad and a John's mac and cheese from me you guys are amazing Thank you for your courage Wow there's a lot there okay So I will add in a little extra because she said it So here we go. What difference at this point does it make? Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand You've got karma And I had the Hillary clip! Yes, you did That was a piece of production pre-production that actually worked

1:17:10 Oh, you did this in advance? You sent me a note. You said we need the Hillary what difference does it make Yeah And I and I went out and got it and then we have it because every single time previously I mean oh I don't have that one People are asking for it so we have to We will obey Anyway that is our contribution list or is it Yes, that Jackie is the last one I have on this and that is for show 623 want to remind people we do have a seat so show six twenty four coming up on Sunday and Dvorak org slash na as the place to go to help us also channel of art comm slash NA no agenda show calm has it would donate button as does know agenda nation calm. And I want to thank Chris who Created another forward guess these new top-level domains are coming in no agenda club

1:18:01 Which I guess is something we could use hint, hint wink-wink nudge-nudge in the future John. You never know if the club gets resurrected. Oh yeah oh you mean the club? The club yes all right everybody thank you very much to our executive and associate executive producers these are actual credits You can use them anywhere credits are valid. A lot of people seem to put them on their LinkedIn page that gets you a lot of views, people do like the... what is this? And apparently sometimes it actually helps as karma for getting jobs so there you have that and I guess John said for the Sunday show 624 go to devorak.org slash n-a

1:18:43 And we always appreciate you going out there and doing some very important work in propagating our formula. Our formula is this, we go out, we hit people in the mouth. All right. OK, so here we go because I have a thought on this on this fiasco. Mm hmm. And but you're with you. You have the clips? I have very few. I do have one funny clip

1:19:22 You know, I was listening to the... what's the name of that lesbian on... Chris Hayes. Yes! The lesbian Chris Hayes. Yeah. Chris Hayes actually brought something up that was interesting he did have an old clip from Fox Here is what gonna happen someone will tweet people are now tweeting quotes from The No Agenda Show Have you noticed this? Yeah, I do. They'd be like what's the name of that lesbian on MSNBC Chris Hayes no agenda show Dvorak You watch it. It is a stolen joke. It's funny i like it but Chris Hayes...I realized something never thought about his the name of his show is about what it is all in oh yeah and now so he's all-in with the Obama administration so he brought on

1:20:12 And this is the clip Chris Hayes, we should probably play it. It seems like a long clip you got here. It's just a little long because what it is that this is the apologist clip And our agent, our sergeant, staff sergeant will be amused by this. This is what they did to assuage the whole thing and this is pre-SAC, sacred. This was the pre-SAC. Oh really? Right away! This was right after it all began. This was the first putting out of fire a clip I could find. If you need to rely on the vast audience of MSNBC to put out the fire, it didn't work! No! But what they did... What I think why this clip is good is besides the intro which shows a clip from 2009 where somebody came out and bitched about this guy being a deserter back then

1:21:02 And that, by the way what she doesn't mention is that's the point where the non-disclosures were distributed to tell people to stop talking about it. Chris Hayes is all in, all in with whatever the history. And so he brings in the Pentagon spokeshole! Some guy who and and he never asks him... He never does a follow-up question. Obviously had a script in front of him you can listen to this if you get sick of this you can kill it but its a script is a very scripted interview all saying everything's fine don't worry about it, don't look over there and here we go. This isn't new on Fox News in 2009 not long after Bergdahl was captured retired Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters called the soldier a liar and suggested the Taliban would be doing US a favor by killing him

1:21:52 If he walked away from his post and his buddies in wartime, I don't care how hard it sounds. As far as i'm concerned the taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills Joining me now Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby And admiral let me begin by asking why now? I know negotiations had been ongoing for quite some time on this matter What was the breakthrough that allowed Bo Bergdahl to come home Well, there was a... I think the way I'd put this Chris was that there's been a lot of effort. A lot of effort over years and certainly recent months and weeks but the real impetus to move as quickly as we did here was concerns that we had over Sergeant Bergdahl's

1:22:42 Health and his safety so we knew that there was a brief window coming And we took advantage of this as quickly as possible But largely the speed and the urgency with which we moved it was a lot driven by by his well-being Can you be any more specific about his health? I know it's yes, so big. You're right This was all about his health is health is health is health but It morphed and I'm sick of this can I move on oh Yeah, let me just summarize a couple of things he brought up. He asked him about the desertion claim? You should probably kill it after the desertion.

1:23:21 Yeah, I'm really not able to because he is an active duty living soldier. He has privacy rights that we just can't violate but i would tell you through a series of indications we became increasingly concerned about his well-being and of course his safety in general Not that we weren't always concerned about his safety in captivity but in particular as things got to just recent weeks here without going into much more detail there in terms of the indications and intelligence, I can tell you that we had very good reason to be so concerned. And that really is what drove the speed with which we moved. There's been two lines of criticism in reaction to the announcement. The first has to do with negotiation itself there are politicians and others saying that the administration has negotiated with terrorists it has violated some important American precedent... Stop stop! This is actually worth listening too because

1:24:17 It seems to me that if you follow the logic of it, you have to listen to this clip because I didn't think this was going to be their excuse. But anyway just keep playing it. This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard and Chris Hayes says nothing about it. There was no negotiations with terrorists in this case. Because they talked to the Qataris, right? Our friends... It was all- All the discussions were done through us. What kind of logic is this?! I got a lot of pushback from many people on this! Really!? Yeah oh yeah! We didn't negotiate with terrorists? No.

1:24:54 It's like so in other words. We have zero to do with this whole thing well in other words if I am Working on a divorce settlement, and I'm working through my lawyer. I'm not Negotiating with the terrorist of course you are your ex-wife is by definition at a terrorist The whole thing is ludicrous. It's like I'm using the phone, and I didn't actually talk to these people. Yeah, yeah...I know. I didn't actually see you. Did you talk to that man? No, I didn't! Yeah. ...the government of Qatar were greatly appreciative for that but there was no direct talks with the Taliban, no direct talks with Afghani network This was a this was an arrangement at transfer Alright if I'm sick of this alright, let me move on because this went to the sacred duty That was the script that was- I don't know how

1:25:38 Where that meme comes from or how it how that just goes and everyone was using its sacred duty sacred missions It's all sacred sacred said it okay sacred Now we know That according to the news reports, and this could all be one elaborate D I mean this maybe there's something still to come And then we just haven't seen it yet But it appeared that the administration was caught off guard and here is Chuck Todd on the Today's show.

1:26:27 five members of the taliban from get mall on the fact that this would then escalate back to date which is course has been simmering for a good five years which is what to do with those detainees how do you release them where he really said they did not expect this backlash on burgdahl himself i've had a few ways describe it to me yet we didn't know that they were gonna swift boat burgdahl and that of course at the reference to that political fight back in 2004 over John Kerry's military. So whether this is true or not, that is the meme that has been put out there at the White House was not expecting this backlash now

1:27:02 Susan Rice, the twerp as you call her. She went out and she went on a number of shows. She was on Candy Crowley's show but I like Candy. Somehow she gets to ask some real questions and I've noticed that CNN is changing somewhat and here's where she comes with the meme that I think plays into my theory which i'll get to. When you were having these discussions amongst yourselves did you worry that this deal would encourage other terrorist organizations like the Connie Network to seize Americans be they military or civilian Americans in order to get more folks released from Guantanamo Bay? No, Kanye. The fact of the matter is Sergeant Bergdahl is the last of the Americans that have been held in Afghanistan and we felt that as the war's winding down

1:27:51 It was our sacred obligation, given the opportunity to get him back that we do so. And we did so in a way that has brought him back safely into American hands. We did so in a way that resulted in the Taliban prisoners being OK. So what you heard there is the war is winding down. He's our last man out there. And this I think is what the idea was here's Rice on Stephanopoulos on ABC. We already heard her do the honor and distinction clip which you had, here she is again about I think prisoner of war... Well George this is a very special situation Sergeant Bergdahl wasn't simply a hostage he was an American prisoner of war captured on the battlefield No! This is so... She's really trying to propagate something which we now know is factually and there may even be some video evidence not true. We have a sacred obligation that

1:28:46 held since the founding of our republic to do our utmost to bring back our men and women. And we did that in this instance. If for some reason, we took a position now in the 21st century when some of our adversaries may not be traditional state actors that we would not do our utmost to bring our prisoners-of-war home and that would break faith with the American people and with the men and women who serve in uniforms So here we have remember the president went to Afghanistan on Memorial Day And he stood there with the troops and everything, we're winding down the war. He comes back and then you know all we got our last man! The wars winding down last man were bringing him home Let's begin with how Bo Bergdahl is doing right now We know he's landed in Germany what more can you tell us about how he's doing his health? Well George first of all this is a joyous day Joyous day! He is now safely in American hands So joyous day! Safely home

1:29:47 Let's get it straight from the horse's mouth, the guy who resigned over this but he still has to do a couple of quick hits. Here is Anderson Cooper with Jay Carney, The Last Man Standing Theory. You would not have the luxury in a situation like this of opening a window and hoping that in 30 days its still going to be open This was touch and go, and has been touch and go for years. And when you have the opportunity to execute this recovery of the last uniformed member of the military... Yes! Last man standing! Now, I was already in that this was their idea. This was their plan but then when you get Chip Gregory coming on and defending it as last man standing then you know that's the plan The question that i have is a question for today and moving forward Is whether circumstances matter or whether United States or any commander-in-chief will always be committed

1:30:43 to rescuing a soldier from the battlefield no matter the circumstances. So, the chairman of Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey said look this is an American citizen who's a soldier who was presumed innocent in this circumstance he was held prisoner This war is coming to an end that's not what he said but I'm saying this is true. Thanks Jim. The wars come into and there was an opportunity here to get that soldier off the battlefield so we could have The big homecoming parade, which is just now today has been cancelled. Here's what I think John and i'm going to presume that these guys in the White House aren't all that smart there's hubris they think all that that they're a baton bag of chips. I believe that the military is no fan of uh... the Obama administration we know this There's a lot of pruning and people have been getting kicked out and all kinds of crap is going on

1:31:40 That someone laid out the strategy. Hey, I got a great idea Valerie probably to Valerie Jarrett this has her ickiness all over it does you know? It's like hey Valerie what he'll go to Afghanistan You know stand there with the troops Memorial Day He'll come home and then we bring home the last uniformed soldier Everyone will love him mission accomplished parade beautiful and they fell for it. I think this was a setup I think someone set the Obama administration up and that's all the media is talking about. So this feels like a setup, hubris, idiocy... And people are just chuckling but... I think there is a lot of it. That element exists But I have another thesis that I'd like to present Sure And I believe that fits in with your thesis if we maybe take some assumption that CIA

1:32:40 has a hand in this by maybe suggesting the idea to Valerie. Oh, and by the way didn't the CIA guy get outed when the president went to Afghanistan? This is all before Bo Diddley! Yeah were you gonna out our guy oh he-you know what you should go rescue this guy but the CIA's practical too they just don't do gags True. So my thinking is that if you ever watch, there's a good dramatic...you see it in movies and you see it on TV shows the idea where a murderer goes out and kills 10 people to cover up the hit. Right In other words one person was actually targeted and they obfuscated by Yes we've discussed this on the show previously as a theory

1:33:25 And I'm thinking, because the CIA knows it's going to be...because Afghanistan thing is winding down. This is not untrue and they're gonna try to get everybody out of there within the next couple years Somebody has gotta run the drugs for the CIA Because this is like a big money making operation in Afghanistan That's what a lot of social regarding poppies right? Well, one guy of these five and there were 15 initially and they picked it down to five. Yeah carefully chose five one guy was... Was the poppy guy? ...was the big poppy guy! Oh wow great find Only in the news for the first day Which guy was it? It's this guy its uh Are you holding up a picture to the microphone or...? No I'm gonna try to read his name. Oh maybe the Taliban Poppy Guy

1:34:16 It's Karula, Sade, Wally, Karakwa. The one that has Sade in it. That guy. That funny looking guy with the big beard. The penis looking of the three...of five I mean. That guy! Hold on. Taliban, Sade....I just want to see if i can find him. And a secret Defense Department memo that was published by the Telegraph, because you can still find this reference. Datini was identified as a narcotics trafficker and probably used his position and influence to become one of the major opium drug lords in Western Afghanistan. Datini probably used profits from drugs to promote Taliban. So that's our guy?

1:34:59 Yeah, this is the guy. He was the governor of Herat and a military commander but he was also the big drug guy I believe that they did it deal with him very good when there and he's gonna take over the drug business You know you're gonna stay he'll stay in Qatar. He doesn't care And then he'll go right in and right now I'm sure his people are setting up shop so they you know as they can run the place and That he's going back The other guys are all non cut their own inconsequential all four of them And this guy here's a big deal. This is a great find, I congratulate you. Thank you! Hold on let me just... Hey baby! So what we'll probably see in the next uh... John? John no hold on just one second Just enjoy that for a moment That is fucking great! I mean I completely bogued on looking at these guys Good work

1:35:54 Alright, so that makes total sense. Yeah now I had another just a brain fart about this Do you think that maybe this was ongoing? That maybe they would have used a couple of these Taliban II guys to trade for Ambassador the the ambassador Chris Stevens Maybe it's always a possibility or let do what sound could have been right It wouldn't have surprised me But I think the botch was, it was a double screw job. Because the CIA gets their guy in there to run the drug business when they're ousted? There's some people in there who watch over but then they also get to embarrass Obama! What is this?! A great day or what!? The drugs keep coming! Every soldier in the country has bent out of shape over this! No kidding man... And now the HMFIC sent this to me

1:36:47 This is, let me read this article to you. An Obama administration official on Wednesday suggested members of Army Sergeant Bo Bergdahl's platoon who have criticized him for allegedly deserting his unit might be psychopaths! There you go So Brandon Friedman Oh this was... I heard this Yeah Deputy Assistant Secretary of Public Affairs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development Tweets What has he got to do with anything? Not quite sure Housing and urban development. He says what if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership? I mean this this guy by the way he has a platoon leader on I had to listen to this guy He was on Hannity's radio show no And he went on and on about how this everybody knows This is going in the guys seemed like anything but a psychopath of course that dad

1:37:40 Bo Diddley may have been the psychopath. At least I thought, I watched O'Reilly grill some guy and all the people that asked an obvious question...I just thought this was a gem because well it's always possible! This is Bill O'Reilly asking about this. So if you're a US soldier and then you slip under the wire with water food in a knife not even a gun? And a compass You gotta be insane right maybe this guy's crazy It's very possible there are a lot of problems with Sergeant Bergdahl. Yeah, that is very possible! Except I give O'Reilly credit for asking that question. From what I understand there is video of him walking off the base. They have security cameras everywhere and apparently there was video of him just walking away Well they had a secret hearing, confidential hearing from the Defense Department where many U.S. Senators went to it

1:38:39 And they all came out of it to a barrage, this was on C-SPAN. A barrage of reporters asking them each what would they talk about? Everybody comes out and says they didn't really talk about anything! They showed a film of him, the guy looked drugged... This is a long clip you can cut or just get a gist by playing the Saxby after secret meeting clip where their grilling this senator. He's obviously being reviewed from a medical situation And as to his medical condition, that's gonna continue for a period of time. You can imagine somebody who has been in incarceration for five years has the potential to have health issues. We were told that there is no intelligence that indicated from a medical standpoint his life was in danger

1:39:33 So he is being analyzed from that standpoint and there'll be further reporting coming out of the Pentagon as that develops. What is your sense? You nailed it, I'm done with this you've nailed it this makes so much sense they have and it's a twofer they had the kind of cute kinda milfy mom kinda wacky hippie dad and they were right there with the president when he announced it You know, they don't do... nothing is by accident with these people. So it was set up and had the big homecoming parade everything was good to go and I think you're spot on like we got to spring this guy so we can keep the drugs flowing The poppies gotta keep coming This it! We're done! Yeah, I think so Except for

1:40:21 Our band camp girl. We have to play two clips from Marie Harf. Oh, they threw to the... So when these things happen... Oh yeah like let her do it! Screw it send Harf out there to defend this crap. Well I'm not gonna do it Does the State Department consider Sergeant Bergdahl to be a deserter? The State Department, no Lucas. Look what we've said is look we are going to learn the facts about what happened here We said very clearly in a statement from the Secretary on Saturday that Sergeant Bergdahl was an member of the United States military who volunteered to serve his country We don't know the facts about what happened yet. On that day. According to those randoms, platoon mates and squadmates, company mates... Some of them are conflicting reports out there about this. Are there? There are! Go Google it on the web and you'll find a ton of good stuff. Fuck! Google it on the web quickly!! This one time at band camp I stuck a flute in my pussy. The fact is we're still establishing a fact pattern about what happened

1:41:20 And the fact is, you know when I was watching this. I'll admit to you right now. I googled Marie Harf naked I really did. Of course there's nothing... You're sick! I'm like, I hope there is some shot of her naked. Photoshop it? You can photoshop her head on anybody But there was not even a good photoshop of her naked but because they had that close up and she gets all flustered That has a crush on her I have a crush on her just i want to flick that hair back and whip off the nerd glasses how he ended up in Taliban captivity. So when he is able to share those, as Chairman Dempsey said today, he will. He also said like any American, he isn't innocent until proven guilty. Our army's leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred. In the meantime we will continue to care for him and his family so I think people need to be really careful about believing every second or third hand report out there and also what the president

1:42:13 with the secretary, what chairman Dempsey has said. Regardless of how he went missing it is our responsibility to him to bring him home period. You say second third hand reports when his squad mates who this guy's not letting up I love there were there was like it was like raw meat and wolves it was just and none of this makes it on the air anywhere except for c-span which isn't where we get it from served with them overseas said he walked off Lucas I'm sure some of them I mean look there's a lot of rumor and telephone game that is being played here about what happened. Not all... The guys on national television last night, his squad mates were... Wait for it? Correct! I'm saying we don't know the fact pattern yet here Fact Pattern! Fact patterns are new ones. The fact pattern yes i'm flying in flack patterns Nobody knows exactly what happened that night as the facts emerge as he's able to discuss them with the department of defense

1:43:04 See where that takes us. It happened five years ago. This is a situation... She's had all this time, five years to determine whether he was a deserter or not. He has been in captivity Lucas I think he's probably the person who knows best what happened on that day Well i think his squad mates have the best indication of when it happened They don't know? Here are his squad mates! They don't know anything they fucking don't know nothing And now and so now just one more short clip from her she's just so funny I'm just, hold on. I'm just imagining her naked again okay here we go Obviously we're not going to get into the specifics of the agreement but this is an agreement between the head of the government of Qatar and the president of United States i love this so whatever you do just... This was high level baby! Just tell them it was high level Hey This was between our commander in effin chief yeah? The President Of The United States You don't question him Who are you press boy?! A very high level agreement High Level Agreement

1:43:57 Very high level. About working to mitigate the notion that these five guys will be able to return to the battlefield Five guys Some of the detainees that have left, to go their... To be expatriated to third countries or to go to their home countries Have been put under some kind of house arrest So here's the press just trying to figure out what the deal is right? And then she's like Yeah nobody really knows That was a high-level deal Shut up you don't know none of the deal We're not gonna get into specifics Are they able to roam free throughout China Why? Why? Highest levels! You don't question the highest levels of this government?!

1:44:40 that there are going to be severe restrictions in place on them. I'm not going to outline what those are." Good question! Thank you very much, this is some good... they ARE good journalists with good questions It never makes it into the front page or on air for some reason. Obviously involved very sensitive diplomatic negotiations. Oh, very sensitive! Here involving the government of Qatar who was the one negotiating with the Taliban and getting to a place in a very short time window as I've said is General Dempsey said that's the last best opportunity to save his life where we could get an agreement here. So there are reasons not to put out all of that, I think for probably very good reasons. Probably maybe? I don't know it's the highest level! Probably... Maybe you know as more details are able to be shared we will but surely if everything was on the up and up the Qataris wouldn't care if the details at least some of these are a fair assumption to make We don't talk about this That is not fair Noooo that's not fair

1:45:39 And this, by the way plays completely into your theory John because the deal is hey those four guys That one guy let him go. The details of many detainees we send back to third countries for a variety of reasons But these aren't as high-profile cases as this one was again We feel assured by the by the agreement we've put in place poor Marie I bet she popped a valium right after that one. Or before, or during! Holy moly, that's rough. That was terrible. That was mean to her. She deserves it. You know she could have dealt with it much better...

1:46:18 We don't have all the facts right now. As soon as I get them, we'll come back and we'll have another briefing and then you can ask the other girl." She could've paid off! Asked the other girl? I like that. You know she made a mistake by trying to take this on. Could you just ask the other girl please?! She's dumb. Please ask the other girl... I don't wanna... I can't do it. Oh man. There are one couple of memes that came out of this that were interesting One of them, and this is only just bubbled up. By law to do this deal Obama had to ask Congress he didn't do it. Right they're making a big stink about this. Well some people are... And what law? Is that the NDAA Law or...? I don't have no idea. I think it's part of the defense authorization. In every case Obama has been pulling his stuff, these slight little maneuvers here and there even though nobody's really making a big deal about that. Again he thought... Screwing up so let him go

1:47:09 Well, they thought it was gonna be slam dunk big celebration mission accomplished war is over that we're playing John Lennon You know yeah? So there's an impeach meme going around. Yeah, well you knew that was gonna here in there I heard judge Janine that woman on the weekends to bring it up She brings it up a lot and then when Marco Rubio came out of this Senate hearing yeah Unfortunately have the clip of it But you can't quite hear it but this woman sticks the mic in front of him It says is what Obama did an impeachable offense

1:47:48 And Rubio, if you listen hard you can hear it but you can hear Rubio's answer. Rubio kind of weasels his way out of it by refusing pretty much refusing to discuss it. Well I'm not talking about that right now and thats no something I've called for quite frankly this is... We're not at that level at this point. I think right now the most immediate concern with regards to this is what danger does this pose to other American men and women in uniform around the world? Yeah, you know I don't see the point of impeachment. If i don't see why go through it? What is it? Why spend all this time... You know who cares? I think whatever! We always want to impeach these guys near the end It's something that makes yeah.. It somehow saying impeachment gets people all riled up and stuff but it's useless even we didn't we impeached Clinton

1:48:43 Yeah, we did. No one even remembers that all they remember is what he did you know it doesn't matter It's I think it's completely pointless You know this all these people are douches the whole system is douchefied It's pretty douchey yeah, it was very douchy hey the Syria had an election And I understand that there was a landslide. Yes, Bashar al-Assad was reelected and i did want to point out that we have many listeners all over the universe and several in Syria and one of our producers there... hold on a second if you go to syriavote.noagendanotes.com Syria vote? One word

1:49:40 You'll see this is our producer Sub7zero and he sent in a couple pictures from the news. So it's syriavote dot noagendanotes dot coms, yeah? And you'll see celebrations Damascus fireworks people on the street everybody happy there's also little video down at the bottom just to link to the video of Syrians in America celebrating And the way I understand it is from our producers, the Syrians are very happy he was re-elected. That's from our guys? From our guys yeah from our guy in Syria and... They had a lot of nice fireworks. Yeah nice fireworks a lot of people running around. Just so you know and this is what I was kind of looking for there were international observers at the election now you won't be told this

1:50:40 Let me tell you who was in Syria for the first multi-candidate presidential election. Observers were Eva Bartlett from, she's from North America, Joseph Lossbaker from Chicago he is with the antiwar committee the United National Anti-War Coalition, Judith Bellow from the Administrative Committee of United National Antiwar Coalition. Elias Hazaneth Palestinian Canadian entrepreneur and activist Scott Williams International Action Center national coordinator of the anti-imperialist youth organization from the U.S., from Fight Imperialism Stand Together Dr Paul LaRudi former Fulbright Hayes lecturer

1:51:32 You know, the list goes on and on and on. A lot of international observers but you will not hear this from anybody in the way I read it if i'm just listening to what our producers say... And could this be some kind of co-intel being put on us? Yeah maybe! But I think the Syrians see for what it is that obviously the United States and probably Israel have been and Turkey who have been messing around, sending you know training al-Qaeda. Sending them in trying to mess it all up for this damn pipeline deal and they won and they're kicking him out and they like Assad otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him in this number. And I'm just going to say that I kind of have to believe that this was a reasonably fair election as fair as ours are hanging chads

1:52:31 Well, as fair as ours are we have a situation here in San Francisco where I think the guy got 70% of the vote. Mm-hmm It's I think his name is Jack Lou he was in jail Yeah there you go And got this huge he got more votes than everybody else running for one of these offices that it's crazy corrupt guys been found out and all the rest would be still goes vote which makes some people think that these elections are just That they've got access to the computer data or something and they're back ending these things and putting you know The whatever's programmed is what the results are. Yeah, we'll problem with some of these This is the electronic voting I mean Syria They you know, they dip your finger in ink We should go back to that here. We need to yeah, that would be the way I'm not a way against computer voting I think that's very like the idea now anyone who thinks oh it's gonna be so much easier We vote on the Internet Oh, please

1:53:25 And sometimes I'll hear like, you know where are these polling stations and some guy's backyard his garage. Let me tell you in New Jersey my polling station was in some guys garage! This is not abnormal but we somehow make this No, most of the time it was always a tended to be especially in the Bay or I think everywhere they would It wouldn't be in a guy's garage. Yeah and people would go there you'd probably trust the guy that running these guys in the house There I mean is not gonna be it's harder to corrupt that than it is a machine anyway a category

1:54:11 Just to switch gears. Dick Clark, Richard Clark with an E was on Democracy Now! and I rarely watch the show that's kind of your beat if you will did you see this particular episode? I missed it i was too busy watching hearings he has uh well of course Richard Clarke now he has a consultancy right i'm sure he isn't consulting yeah yeah he's all for cyber yes well he has just written a book It is called the sting of the drone and he was on democracy now for an hour An hour promoting this book, and he said there's a democracy now I'm not see-through this guy because they're all in come by Chris Hayes They're all in any and he said something and I just went oh

1:55:04 And they said I was crazy. You also talk, Richard Clark about the drone disintegrating are you talking about real technology here? How these drones...I mean you yourself when were the one that suggested arming drones, arming surveillance drones but is this real a drone disintegrating so that no one could detect it after the attack It's not a program that I know about. It may be a program that exists, but certainly not one that I know about. There are several things in the novel where I am stretching the existing technology to where I think it is going so we can see in the near future what kind of things we might be faced with and clearly one of them if you want to do a drone attack that leaves no trace

1:55:59 that looks like a gas explosion, that looks like a car bomb. Could you do that? The problem today is if you use a drone attack there's going to be fragments of the missile Well what if the missile were designed to totally disintegrate and disappear so there would be no fingerprints And would look like, I don't know... Actually? Like a gas explosion. Like a house exploded out of gas which even the guys from Mythbusters couldn't make happen. Michael Hastings into it while you're at it. Yep Well The technology does exist and I think it could be used and probably is being used In US Marshals that are on airplanes they are armed and you know you can shoot a bullet through a Through an airplane because It's very...it can be annoying They use these special bullets

1:56:52 that are called, I forget what they're called. Fractal? There's some... They fracture! Aren't they just rubber bullets? No no they use bullets but when they hit something they essentially dissolve. Hmm. Yeah i'll get a link to these types of bullets But there are.. They exist specifically for uses so you could actually kill somebody in an airplane with this bullet but it would not as soon as he gets into the guy is just a buncha pieces. So its controlled fracturing bullets Is that what their called? It could be You can look it up, it's on Google. Yeah! Google it on the web bitch! And a lot of criminals have decided that these are good bullets because you can use them in crimes and there is nothing left, the bullet is gone

1:57:34 So you can't look at the bullet and say, oh it came from this guy's gun. Now I don't see why the same material which is a composite of some sort which upon impact does strange things can be used for a missile that would be used for just exactly what he described? Maybe he's telling us something that we should be knowing or pay some attention to. There's always... He always has a reason for saying something. This guy is... It's a piece of work I just thought it was interesting to specifically call out my theory of the exploding houses that blow up into smithereens, which...

1:58:12 The MythBusters has not even been able to replicate. No, MythBusters which you know I don't think they're 100% on the money on everything but they have not been able to do that and it always seems sketchy to me You need a perfect oxygen gas combination to get a good explosion and the kind of explosion you have is still limited by the amount of hydrocarbons that are in within the explosive material In other words if you can have an explosion but its not going to be an atom bomb And some of these things blow up like it's ridiculous. I mean, there's... It doesn't seem right." And of course when we talk about these things obviously it all falls under the crazy conspiracy theories! Crazy conspiracy theories and wouldn't you know it NPR has a whole piece running this week about conspiracy theories

1:57:34 So you can't look at the bullet and say, oh it came from this guy's gun. Now I don't see why the same material which is a composite of some sort which upon impact does strange things can be used for a missile that would be used for just exactly what he described? Maybe he's telling us something that we should be knowing or pay some attention to. There's always... He always has a reason for saying something. This guy is... It's a piece of work I just thought it was interesting to specifically call out my theory of the exploding houses that blow up into smithereens, which...

1:58:12 The MythBusters has not even been able to replicate. No, MythBusters which you know I don't think they're 100% on the money on everything but they have not been able to do that and it always seems sketchy to me You need a perfect oxygen gas combination to get a good explosion and the kind of explosion you have is still limited by the amount of hydrocarbons that are in within the explosive material In other words if you can have an explosion but its not going to be an atom bomb And some of these things blow up like it's ridiculous. I mean, there's... It doesn't seem right." And of course when we talk about these things obviously it all falls under the crazy conspiracy theories! Crazy conspiracy theories and wouldn't you know it NPR has a whole piece running this week about conspiracy theories

1:59:09 I think we should listen to this. And you can say words like canard and farce. And this is everything from whether the US government was secretly behind the 9-11 attacks Yes To whether President Obama was actually born in the United States No What proportion of the U.S population would you say subscribes to one of these theories? Oh, John

1:59:53 I don't know. I have no idea, half at least Wow you're good 10-15% maybe? Yeah i would've guessed at most 20%, and that's why this new research by Eric Oliver and Thomas Wood of the University of Chicago took me aback They find that 50% of the country subscribes to at least one of these conspiracy theories You're good John! which keeps the show going. But consider that our national treasurer, and this is they marginalize everyone to such a degree like now just morons 18 percent maybe 10 well yeah the market department must go nuts when they get real numbers oh yeah of course they're like what uh how about those no agenda guys can we get them on

2:00:35 We'll just bleep out the curse words. So 19% of Americans believe the US government was behind the 9-11 attacks 25 percent believed a recent financial crisis was caused by you know, The small cabal of Wall Street bankers 11 percent people believe the government is mandating a switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs Because the light bulbs make people obedient and easy to control now I hadn't heard that one, but i'm in it. I mean but it only works if the water's also fluoridated that you have to have that combo Wow, well shanka I wonder what's worth reminding people exactly what a conspiracy theory is now That's how I think about it now this is interesting So what is a conspiracy theory? Um good question Well if so the word conspiracy conspire uh stems from breathe together

2:01:25 Which means that the conspiracy theory in general, the way it's applied is that I as a conspiracy theorist would theorize that there are people conspiring breathing together to do something on some level. That is the definition of conspiracy theory But they're gonna take this into a whole new level, these scientists. A conspiracy theory is where you believe in a theory where no matter how much disconfirming evidence comes in... ...you somehow convert that disconfirming evidence into part of the conspiracy Now I'm just gonna have to call big time... That's not what a conspiracy theory is!

2:02:05 This is a scientist. This is about global warming. So with Barack Obama's birth certificate, for example the moment the birth certificate came up from Hawaii the people who believe that Barack Obama was not born in the United States would say The Hawaiian Hospital now is in on the conspiracy as well. Conspiracy theories have been around for awhile I mean there are questions about whether Pearl Harbor was a way to get the United States into World War II. I mean, there are questions about JFK's assassination. You're not saying that 50% believe in all these things but just if 50 percent of Americans believe in at least one conspiracy theory like this... Yeah, what this research is suggesting is that the willingness to believe in one of these theories is really widespread across the spectrum and different groups of people might believe different theories but the propensity to believe seems really widespread. Where does that propensity come from?

2:02:46 Well, that's what the research was trying to address. And you know the stereotype about people who believe such theories is that they are poorly educated or superstitious or that they're political partisans it turns out the consistent predictor of such beliefs is something that you might almost call an all-american attitude a belief in individualism distrust of authority and together those things translate into a desire to avoid being controlled by large secret forces so in other words we're I'm a patriot That's it It's an American thing. Well, you know this I'm surprised you didn't catch this. After you gave me all the kudos for the drug guy i'm gonna have to tell you something that it just very slightly uh... Slightly annoying but at the same time doesn't really surprise me The Lancet Yes, yep The Lancet came out with some studies not only condemning the use of fluoride in water

2:03:48 No, I very specifically talked about this. Harvard even has this research Well they are now telling people to get it out of their water systems as fast as they can Yeah we did talk about this on the show Well i didn't pay any attention apparently Harvard...it's uh The Lancet and a Harvard study say When guys were protesting over winter This is when this came out This was when we were talking about it But no one cares You could use March 2014 thing so its newer No, it's newer but it's later than the Harvard study. Okay But its irrelevant you can say this a million times to people in Austin Say Florida had our water and according to Harvard study and I'll now say The Lancet It was no good Conspiracy theory Oh yeah they're gonna control your brain! No I just don't want to be medicated without asking for it that's not unnecessary

2:04:45 And it's very bad for people with thyroid issues. Very bad! It's alright, in the UK... all they're finding in their water over there is cocaine. Everyone snorting coke and its in all the waste waters. What's the main ingredient? I had it in the show notes last week. Yeah, there's whatever the main ingredient... Of course the main ingredient in cocaine is not cocaine! I'm sure its some stupid chemical they put in there. Hold on 622... Let me see what that is? You're a chemist you should know these things! I don't know everything. Yeah you do?! No! Not even close! Lots of things here maybe I have it in here Euroland

2:05:32 Yeah, London is the cocaine capital of Europe. That explains the pound being a buck sixty seven European drug report 2014 analyzed the sewage system with 42 cities for traces of the drug and found The English capital London had the highest cocaine use of any city tested With consumption of the drug appearing to peak on a Tuesday That's right and notice that is right in between no agenda shows by the way. Yeah, I'm tweaking man I got a dad on like I get no show The samples which were taken and tested during week in 2013 to provide a forensic snapshot of drug use found London was one Of the cities with the highest use of ecstasy as well. Haha. Hey London sewage water contains 711 milligrams of benzo

2:06:19 Ben's benzo Ben and zoe leg gunning yeah, I'd have to look at it to read it for you Yeah, did you get it? Benzo like like I don't know. I didn't sit in here just listening I don't have a demons or elect cogan mean whatever the main chemical and cocaine Why isn't cocaine the main chemical and cocaine the cocaine is just kind of a brand name oh Really? What, so it's Benzo-like gogo cocaine. I guess yeah, I can imagine like hey man Let's do some benzo-like gogocokin Yeah No one is gonna be able to use this stuff because you can't pronounce it in general cocaine and ecstasy were more popular drugs in Western and Some southern cities while crystal meth remained the most popular in Eastern Europe Go Ukraine!

2:07:06 However, overall use of the drug is continuing to decline in countries such as Denmark and the United Kingdom after a peak in 2008. Well yeah that's after all the bankers got fired! 11 out of 12 countries also reported falls in cocaine use in surveys undertaken between 2001-2013." Interesting... Also a lot of illegal... This isn't voting well for anything? People shouldn't be all geared up, wired up on cocaine. This is not a healthy product! No? Well then there's the UK as well prominent GP Des Spence says in response to the UK happy pill prescriptions top 50 million we do over prescribe pill prescriptions no yeah and I think your theory again give you another more kudos which

2:07:53 I bring up in conversation at the dinner table. Do you do you bring up my name? The reason that buck 67 and in the pounds were the buck 67 because the banks are all being propped up by drug money, yeah, the British banks which is why they have to put it on the GDP now right we know this We know that the American economy was saved essentially by the drug money And it's legal and illegal drugs. It's both! Yeah. And has it ever been any different, really? Well I don't know... Isn't that what the East India Company was about? Okay so yes coffee may not be the biggest drug but coffee, cocoa... Tea

2:08:39 Tea everything in the trade is always based on happy stuff The real reason you drink have tea time in the afternoon at a certain hour. It's for your opium it's For you to get over that little circadian cycle hump where you get kind of drowsy around three o'clock right after after the You know your benzo was wearing off, you know like and then before we go to the ecstasy Have a little bit of tea Yeah, if it's not that is alcohol. It's every Commerce is, I think... Old Crow Reserve. Yeah! All economies revolve around drugging people because that's the one thing that you- it's guaranteed Well its only where they can get by! Yeah! That and our show. Ah there ya go They're both very addictive, that's exactly what I meant. Oops sorry wrong, I don't know why hit that one I mean this. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fab

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2:12:37 And the third one, which there was actually three things. The third thing was he was literally begging the Brazilian moderator for asylum in Brazil. Well that's the only part that got out is Snowden would love asylum in Brazil! That's the only thing... But I think his Russian asylum was extended? Yeah well it had to be or he'd be out if it's over this month Maxwell Fry, Brooklyn New York 6942. Matthew Karavitis in Medical Lake Washington 6464. Francis Lambert in Zabik Croatia. Nice! Hey nice Croatia how's the water level doing there? Let us know Best Podcast University says

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2:18:05 Thank you very much. Go to noatenantnation.com slash rings to pick up your well-deserved ring and thank you for supporting the program Last night as I was prepping around 10 o'clock, and I'm typically in my office...I got this corner thing of the office studio It's a corner thing under the tree so I got windows on all sides which is we know are kind of open and all the pollen stuff comes in And I see a police vehicle going by with his lights on And he stops at the corner like he's waiting for somebody. But, maybe it was just me... but at what point did someone on the police force say to themselves you know that regular flashing blue light? That's just not enough!

2:18:46 I mean, he had flashing blue and red and his blinkers are going...are alternating. And he's got like a- Strobes! Strobes and little landing strip like brrp brrp brrp. Do they think that we didn't get the idea of the regular flashing blue lights? Well it used to be red lights. Red light in sirens. The whole car was like, it was like a Christmas tree. I've seen Texas has the lot of these cars What is the point? The whole car lights up like a light show What is the point?! In fact...I'm not even intimidated anymore! You look like a dick! I mean you need spinning rims on that thing It's crazy what thinking goes into that

2:19:34 It's very strange. I find it very annoying because at night, it actually blinds you. Yeah! It's unsafe. Well and they're just sitting there on the corner right on...because we're a corner house right on the corner for 10 minutes with all these lights. Flip flip flip flip like... What was the point of that? But I guess they were waiting for somebody but you know Did he ever show up? No no The donut truck maybe? The donut truck didn't show up after ten or fifteen minutes it just drove off And I like the Austin PD in general. I mean, I've only had good experiences with them. Better boy? Yeah you know they're okay. Yeah so far... Well of course there's always- There's douches everywhere but I find them to be quite- They fit in with Austin and they're quite helpful. Of course they could be dicks too as with everything but I'm not against them But this is- I'm against this! This is just stupid and I think it makes you look less authoritarian

2:20:31 Like, pfft. Is this like the circus coming to town? Really stupid So today is June 5th That's Eve! Now you can play your theme I could play it It's not as big of a... A minor one Today is June 5 and I've been receiving these emails for weeks And the same outfit that was doing What were they They were from Net Neutrality FFTF They are fightforthefuture.org and I'm sure you didn't know about it, but this is another fine nonprofit and of course I tracked them down to see where the money's coming from Today is... let me grab this clip today is Reset The Net Day! Did you not know this John?

2:21:24 I did not know this. Here's their little commercial, it's animated. We use the internet to be ourselves but governments are building a prison around it we have to stop them but how? Is this- oh stop stop is this one of those scenes where they're drawing on the screen no not but it's similar to that except they stick figures that are already pre drawn and animated okay It's almost as bad They seem so vast and powerful But government spies have a weakness. They can hack anybody, but they can't hack everybody. Folks like the NSA depend on collecting insecure data from tapped fiber. They depend on our mistakes. Mistakes we can fix!

2:22:03 The plan? I think right there, what they just said... Folks like the NSA depend on- Let me just roll that back. That gave it away for me who was gonna be behind this. You guys have a weakness They can hack anybody But they can't hack everybody Anyways, like they get it from tapping fiber Okay! Folks like the NSA depend on collecting insecure data from tapped fiber They depend on our mistakes Mistakes we can fix The plan Reset the net. Together, on June 5th one year after Snowden's first NSA story we all take one powerful step to turn off government spying and turn on freedom The call is simple Find some territory of the internet that you can protect from prying eyes Seize it and hold it Are you a developer? Promise to add 1 NSA resistant feature to your app Are you an internet user? Promise to try 1 NSA resistant privacy tool

2:23:03 Got a website or Tumblr? Run our splash screen on June 5th to show the world we're resetting the net. This is our moment, to rally and realize our power! Without needing anyone's permission We can decide our future One that's safe open and free It won't be easy But if we work hard now The internet will never be a prison Reset the net. Okay, give this woman a hook all right now It is I'm looking at this and like where is this coming from and why well? so this is from Fight for the future org I won't bore you with the details But you go to fight for the future org if you contribute to them You'll be giving to the Center for rights which is fully funded by the new organization Institute education fund

2:23:55 which you can find at neworganizing.com, yes .com not even .org, neworganizing.com This is clearly part of a Silicon Valley push who are freaking out that people are starting to understand what privacy really means It's no accident that Google comes out with some promise of maybe somehow going to do what they call end-to-end encryption, which I don't think is going to be exactly what we think it is but will wait until we see the implementation. The Silicon Valley is seeing that people are waking up to their business model and they're starting to catch on to it and they're not really liking it

2:24:54 And they've sent this big letter, and you know, Obama... the NSA is making us look bad. And it's true! And neither that or losing overseas business for sure Big time overseas business Yeah And quite honestly it's because your business model of stealing information I won't even say that Of trading but in a nefarious way Not really being super up front But hiding it in your terms of service and all this bull crap People are figuring out, you know I don't really need Google. Don't really need all this stuff Maybe I need some pieces of it or some pieces are good But I don't really need to have your whole ecosystem and have you suck up every piece of me Mark Andreessen was on CNBC And I kind of liked this piece because he's one of the few guys that will just go out and say it And he's really pissed Snowden is a traitor

2:25:47 And by the way, what happened to Mark Andreessen? I remember when he sent me... back when he was in school. He sent me the first HTTP version 1.3 or something of HTTP. What happened you're talking about his being very large and bald? Yeah! And just like a... Like a... Creepy. Yeah creepy! Creepy that's yeah creepy. We are here in Silicon Valley this morning we caught up with Mark Andreessen and talked about the NSA and Edward Snowden Obviously he's a traitor like is if you look up in the encyclopedia traitor, like there's a picture of Ed Stoughton. All right Yeah Okay Mark go! Like it's he's like a textbook traitor They don't get much more trader than that I will say I am in the distinct minority out here Like I think most people in Silicon Valley would pick the other designation

2:26:31 And you think he's a traitor because? Because he stole national security secrets and gave them to everybody on the planet. Did you know what was happening though, do you feel that he had... Now pay attention here because Mark Anderson doesn't really care about what he did He cares about what he did to Silicon Valley and how he basically broke the whole Shut up already. Yeah, we know that we're giving stuff to the feds and you know it's all part of the deal is working out perfectly That's why Andrewson's angry expose something that you didn't know about so I think people this is something I've got people have gotten very upset at me for saying this I think He likes people being upset at him too he likes to say that people are upset at me

2:27:11 I think if you actually read the books and articles, understood the history. I think they were doing pretty much everything that's come out. The big surprise for me was people were so shocked because we've been funding this agency... Stop stop stop! Let's just look at that logic for a second. If you read all of those papers and all Everything that's come out you already assumed. So how is he a traitor then? He just bringing out information everybody already knew because he stole docus, but he would end recent means the subtext Yeah I know what you're saying I think is correct But I'm just pointing out to the illogic of what he's saying and in terms of his conclusion anyway head is so big yeah, and it also has like he has

2:28:00 Celly he has cellulite on his head is all that's missing as big boils Exactly nailed it for 50 years. It has tens of thousands of employees and spends tens a billion dollars you're not know I'm sorry. That thought that was you John, I'm sorry Oh my god, I'm hearing voices in my head You've been funding this agency for 50 years that has tens of thousands and employees and spends tens a billion dollars a year You're not uncomfortable. I thought they were spying. I mean that was my impression Yeah because they Well, I just thought that's what they were doing I mean, I thought that that was the I thought everybody knew that And so I gotta say I am surprised that there is such a high level shock Some of the shock I think is fake right? So like foreign governments getting all upset Like I think that's for domestic political consumption

2:28:40 I think the Germans knew full well what was happening, the Brits knew full well what was happening. The Russians knew full well what was happening and of course they do either many or all the same things themselves. Here it comes! I think there's no question though that a lot of Americans were very surprised And its implications out here vis-a-vis trying to do business abroad? Yeah very serious and very worrying And I would say in two categories. So first is just American technology companies get a huge amount of revenue from outside the US, in fact some of these companies get up to 70% of revenue outside the U.S., and there's a big open question right now how successful our companies will be when they go sell products overseas

2:29:16 And I think there's a lot of foreign countries that are very envious of Silicon Valley and America's domination of tech, and wish that they could implement protectionist policies. And are going to use this whole affair as a reason to do that. As an excuse? Yes, as an excuse. What should President Obama do—and you have been very critical of him— Well, that's the big issue is right now, as far as I can tell, there's no plan. There is no plan, there is no strategy, there is no tactics, there is nothing like Snowden reveals just keep coming out The administration is just letting, they're letting the NSA I think hang out to dry. They're letting the American tech industry hang out to dry." Like I've not met anybody in the American technology industry who feels like the White House has a plan. It's just happening. Well, I think it's about time. It's about time y'all got knocked down a few pegs with your business model that is sketchy at best. It's time! That's why I like most of what Apple does because they charge you a lot of money

2:30:09 Like, yeah we're gonna charge you a lot of money and this is our model. We're not really... You know they may have shit built in the back end or what I don't know what they have to do since Steve died and all cards are off the table but In general i think Apple's it- Our business is to sell you expensive stuff And now they're trying to build in some other things whatever But here is Mark Andreessen's nightmare This is the nightmare because kids are figuring this out And they're figuring it out in two steps. One, they learn about the NSA and the spying and what's legal and what's not legal... ...and then their logical conclusion is that hold on a second this is happening through these companies and they've given away and oh we have to give it away! Then one day they might wake up and say hey I could run my own mail server. I don't have to use Gmail. What a concept here as 18

2:31:04 caught on video talking to Nancy Pelosi. And she is not prepared to answer these questions. Why do you support the NSA's illegal and ubiquitous data collection? And this is one of these tours, where they'll come look at my office and all of a sudden it gets... why do you support the NSA's illegal spying? Well I have questions about the metadata collection that they were collecting unless they had a reason to do so So I found I didn't support Amash, that resolution. I don't think that was the appropriate resolution but i do think that the burden is on this department and I have fought them for years on the community fought them for years on the wide swath they have put out there You did vote for a bill to continue funding for the NSA though?

2:32:00 I don't know. This is one of those Breitbart kids or something like hey kid go ask these questions No, some of what they should but they do should be subjected to scrutiny and some other things But they perform many other functions in as well, and we hold them to a high order. And I've had my biggest fight here in the intelligence community with the director of the NSA, Hayden when he was the director – I don't think he was on level with us but that doesn't mean there aren't other things that are good things

2:32:42 But she leads us into our next topic Which is the brand new director of the NSA, we have not really seen him in public. Admiral Mike Rogers? Interesting his name is Mike Rogers. Yeah I know like that. And if he's either on coke Adderall or both it looks like it hasn't slept in five years

2:33:29 And he's jumpy and he is invited on, and it's interesting that this was on C-SPAM a forum moderated by Bloomberg. I like this a lot the girl who was doing this moderation young woman i should say Trish Reagan Oh, Trish. Yeah I used to work at... She used to be a regular of Market Watch Well first of all she is..I mean this is if we were putting together a television channel she would be number one She's very good. She's fantastic. She did CNBC and then she moved on And she was CBS. She was in the CBS Evening News I guess and contributed to Face The Nation Now she's with Bloomberg. You must have done something wrong

2:34:22 She did yeah, you know they gave her her own show at Bloomberg Yeah And and I used to try to watch it but every time I tuned into it she was never on the show It was some guy so I think she went over there. She got a good deal went to Bloomberg Naively hmm and then I think this they fucked with her because I don't know why well She handles herself really well with that because there was a whole bunch of people she was interviewing on stage and I have to point out, smoking hot! And she plays it well. She got the skirt on and everything, lots of leg which probably made Admiral nervous because these guys... He's in his uniform and he is actually in an admiral uniform This is the thing that gets me So he's like a sailor It's all white

2:35:10 He's wearing his dresser of whites? Yeah, yeah. His whites! Wait who is... Is there an award ceremony? What's he wearing that for?! Well I don't know he wears white and has got his braids and everything the whole thing is decked out and good to go And I pulled two clips from this Just to give you a little bit of feel about what our new director of the NSA is about, this is his take on Snowden and the law. I spoke with your predecessor Keith Alexander just yesterday on the phone and he expressed the concern that he thought Ed Snowden was at some point it's a question when working for someone else

2:35:48 possibly the Russians, he might be working for them right now. I mean do you think that's a theory that's important to explore? There are plenty of theories clearly we're gonna need to run it all the ground You know my comment would be be part of the dialogue if you believe in this use the power of the law and the structures of our society to make your case The answer is not for any one of us to unilaterally decide that I'm the all-knowing Oracle who knows everything, that i am in the best position to decide what is right or wrong. Be leery of a society in which everyone unilaterally can do that." Wait a minute! Isn't that the whole point? That anybody can say hold on a second this is wrong

2:36:33 He's saying be leery of a society? Hmm. What is he talking about? Well, the law! To quote the Constitution that document provides a framework for us as to how we're going to organize as a government As well as how we're gonna settle disputes through this framework We call The Law I'm not quite sure what he's saying here but something constitution which means shut up about everything else And I urge all of us as citizens use that framework if there's something that you feel strongly about Make your case make an argument Articulate jail, if you do that this would happen to the all the NSA whistleblowers exactly the point but he has He must have read a different document or something. I don't know because maybe doesn't know who he's talking She's talking about only about make your case make an argument

2:37:30 articulate your viewpoint, but do it within the framework that we all have to use if we're going to exist as a society. If you're gonna function as a nation beware of the chaos associated with all of us unilaterally deciding what we want to do what we don't want to do What laws were gonna obey? What laws were gonna choose to disobey That just comes across to me is incredibly arrogant This guy is really weird Let me just play one thing in the middle which is a bunch of the NSA whistleblowers who were Binny and all these other guys that we've heard about, we've heard from this say don't talk to the FBI. They make your life miserable if you try going through channels that do whistleblowing which he's advocating and Obama does the same thing He says the same thing And these guys have all gotten screwed Who tried to do it they brought up This read the clip is hidden Oops did I lose you John? Hello Oh no! John Claude

2:38:36 You have made it, Kenard! Uh... Actually that sounded like a power outage on his end to be quite honest. But what I will do is play his clip hidden government and hopefully he'll come back by the time we're done. They took our computers, anything written notes any records that we had in hopes of finding something they could use against us The two resigned from the NSA but say the retaliation continued as high-level security contractors each time they were hired by a government agency they said their contracts were terminated

2:39:16 It was years before Edward Snowden provided proof through leaf documents the U.S government was conducting mass surveillance on ordinary Americans We are at a severe crisis point So the pair is now part of a group launching a website exposefacts.org Its aim is to shed light on hidden government activity Yoo-hoo! And we definitely didn't get him back I'll try calling it Yeah, that was weird. I just finished the clip yeah of the hidden government. Yeah, this is you can't be knows nobody you can do it Nobody knows anything about this either but anyway That's the hidden government org that sort of site if you're a whistleblower want to be one You probably better off going through them than you are going through any of these channels

2:40:11 And then the, so I have one more clip of Admiral Mike Rogers where you can hear him lying. This is always fun and but you kind of got to watch this guy if you see him You'll see he's got big dark circles under his eyes and just and his head going from left to right He's drugged on something. He's just speedy and yeah hard to explain But it doesn't come across as a stately military guy in his whites at all And so here we have Trisha, Trish. God Whitney if you ever die I'm getting her on the show Sorry She was the one who was the host of the marijuana special that they did on CNBC. I don't care You know just saying she'll look great on the album art

2:40:52 Crackpot and hottie. And she pushes, although unfortunately she leads the witness which is something I hate doing. I hate seeing someone do especially of her stature. I don't feel she needed to do this you'll hear it in the clip about the facial recognition which was exposed by our friend Poitras in The New York Times although I'm not quite sure what was really exposed, but the inference was the NSA slurps up images all day long and throws them through the facial recognition system. Which i will point out Google slurps up images all day long they host copies of images on their image search and Facebook

2:41:37 It has facial recognition working as we speak. Mickey uploads a picture of me, it automatically tags me in the picture. Another good reason not to use Facebook I'm hating this and actually I say Mickey please no more! I just don't want to be uploaded anymore. Screw this That's really frightening. Anyway, so Trisha is going to talk about this very topic and she leaves the witness and gets the expected answer although the lie is apparent. So let me ask you about new reports that show the NSA using facial recognition technology to monitor people how does a program like that work? We use fable facial recognition as a tool... Fable recognition! I know he did it help us understand these foreign intelligence targets we work

2:42:26 Counterterrorism is another big area. This has probably had more impact for us in the counterterrorism arena than anywhere else So it's a big deal where we see entities through our signals intelligence capabilities And we will know them digitally if you will but we want to see if we can try to understand them more broadly To help our enable our broader efforts on to bring them to justice and to forestall their ability to conduct attacks against ourselves, and our allies... ...and friends. In other words yeah we use fable recognition everywhere

2:43:02 to track people. What is he talking about bringing them to justice if they committed a crime? Why don't they just go out and arrest him? Because it's made up, it's made up! Stuff was just made up man, that doesn't do anything. Shut Up! Trish...Trish I never lied. Oh, I'm suspicious now Trish. We do not do this in some unilateral basis against US citizens and we do not access at one point i saw someone say well they must be accessing department of motor vehicle data you don't actually at the state level oh trish really? You didn't have to do that

2:43:53 Why are you defending the NSA? I liked you so much. Did you notice his wording? Oh yeah, it's gonna get better. It's gonna get better with the wording gets even better. Citizens we do not access At one point I saw someone say, well they must be accessing Department of Motor Vehicle data. You don't actually. This surprised me. We don't? No we don't do that! We have very specific restrictions when it comes to US persons. We have to operate under a legal framework. But you don't have access to driver's license and passport photos. You would think that the NSA would have access to some of those things. I mean, wouldn't it be helpful? We're talking about for US persons. He has to say it three times! If we're talking about for U.S. persons...

2:44:42 In other words, yeah they have access to the DMV and the passport pictures. He's just saying we don't use them against US persons without permission but they have total access! Correct. I think still the best phrase he has used is that we do not do this on a unilateral basis. Yes. That means he is in bed with Facebook, Google Whoever else has a huge cache of photos and pictures? Explain to me the exact meaning of unilateral basis. That means we're doing it on our own, by ourselves. Unilaterally means I'm just going to do this screw any my partners or anybody else...I'm doing it!

2:45:30 And if you're not unilateral, that means you're multilateral meaning you have other people involved in the process. And it would only make sense seeing as the director of FBI has an office at Facebook... Right! You know that these guys were- Anytime somebody uses the word unilateral as they are out Yeah Then there's a scam Let's back it up a little and hear that again. ...and the world around us We do not, If I could finish one thing Trish We do not do this in some unilateral basis against US citizens. Which means we do it on a multilateral basis against us citizens by having our partners, Marc Andreessen funded companies like Facebook and Google and Uber and whatever else they're into This is the connection that people have to start making! This is the connection people!

2:46:24 At one point I saw someone say, well they must be accessing Department of Motor Vehicle data. You don't actually. No Trish. I'm like no we don't do that. We have very specific restrictions when it comes to US persons. We have to operate under a legal framework. But you don't have access to driver's license? You don't have access to passport photos? Why is she saying correct? Trish. connected, we have to do anything involving a US person. We have specific legal constraints we must comply with. We just don't unilaterally decide hey today I'm gonna go after citizen X Y or Z. We don't do that. We can't legally do that now. But there are people you know who want to target? There are and let me finish one thought before I forget then we'll get back to it. Shut up! Clearly in the digital age

2:47:35 We will encounter American persons in the wilderness out there, so to speak. Hey! Hi I'm an American person out here in the wilderness and I hope you don't bump into me This guy is real old school Navy Oh yeah? The Navy guys, the commanders, the ship captains There's a whole group of them They're the Navy elites They are ones who are in position commander You can be an admiral but not be in command position And these guys are, I was told this when I was working for the air pollution district and we used to go from ship to ship to give these guy tickets. And for blowing their smoke out of their stacks when they're not supposed to.

2:48:17 And you go in there and you meet the captain, usually a commander or maybe sometimes captain in rank. I was told this by some of the ex-navy guys that worked at the district after my first experience. They said these guys are the most arrogant pricks you have ever run into These guys that are in this in these certain command positions and the Navy they have a certain quality about them That is just what this guy's exuding. I kind of an arrogant prick that you just hear it coming out of him as she's trying to conversation Yeah, American citizens, you might encounter them in the wild You know there's only 300 million of us we might encounter them in the wild so to speak We have specific restrictions about what happens once we do encounter US persons

2:49:07 In broad terms, we've got to stop what we're doing. In broad terms? That's actually a very narrow term but okay... If we come to the realization that somebody that were monitoring and tracking is a US connection that we are unaware of in broad terms we have to stop what we're doing We have to assess the situation and if we think there's a legal basis to this then, we have to get a legal authority or justification to continue. Oh! A legal justification? Yeah this is the same bullcrap that we've been hearing from the beginning he's just somehow like... He's up they're testing to see if he's up to speed with his I don't think he's gonna last John. I don't think this guy.. he's gonna mess it up something's not going to last. Well as arrogant as it sounds like he is he's not gonna last because he's going to act the same way you know

2:49:54 You know, you can do it with Trish Regan or anybody any reporter. You can act like a jerk But if he goes in front of Congress at least these other characters in front of Congress are reticent You know they seem to be on Valium If this guy goes in front of Congress and starts talking like this in front of John McCain They're gonna eat him alive They're gonna kill him Yeah, they're just going to go on and on It's going to be ugly That'd be great for us But yeah, no this guy you might be right. I don't think he has the chops for it He doesn't know how to back off his kind of brazen arrogant quality It's ludicrous it just comes right through the clip And and and I like Trish so much but once you started leading him on with that You can do that? No we don't have that right correct button? Ah Trish! So... Trish... That affair is over Do you know Cheryl

2:50:50 I don't know a Cheryl. Cheryl Atkinson? Maybe, maybe... Yeah she's the journalist that quit CBS I think. So she quit CBS and said, I wasn't allowed to do my stories! Oh yeah, I've heard about her. I don't know her. Well she's older so she's more milfy Know this woman. Yeah, this one yeah I've always liked her me too And I think I like her even more although she now is doing something for let me see some organization hold on I wrote it down which I'm like oh no It's but I'll tell you what it is here well She was interviewed because she has a book coming out yes. She wasn't worried a girl CBSC issue Florida girl Oh, yeah born in Florida

2:51:46 She came through the ranks, she worked hard to get to where she was. She's also a third degree black belt in taekwondo I like a woman that can kick my ass and break my neck Here she is being interviewed about her book and where she wants her career to take her and uh... was this in this moment but i have to do with stonewalled is explain to the public on how images that they see every day not just on the news for including the news but social media television billboards how these images are manipulated in covert and surreptitious ways by political forces and financially backed forces that they have no idea about. If you can become savvy to this manipulation, sometimes outright propaganda you can learn to recognize it and sort of filter through it which I think helps people make up their own mind about what's really going on the world. There is movement Washington DC

2:52:45 to affect public opinion in ways other than direct lobbying. People know about campaign lobbying, contributions given directly to members of Congress. Now there's a whole industry set up around manipulating public opinion or swaying public opinion in other ways through social media maybe setting up blind accounts or accounts through pseudonyms, through editing Wikipedia in certain ways, through posting on Twitter and Facebook. There are all kinds of ways that people's opinions are being shaped through forces that they don't know are behind the shaping of those opinions. And I really think it's important that people know who is behind the efforts." I'm like, yeah! Right on the money. Yeah The only problem is she now working independently part-time for some quasi news thing that is financed by the Heritage Institute She has Al Jazeera written all over her

2:53:39 You watch. But you know, if you want to be independent why go get your money from Heritage? I mean isn't that completely partisan on the right? Yeah! Totally. I think it's Koch brothers fund. No, it's serious. That breaks all of this goodness that I heard from her I just can't find the name of that outfit, the name of... this is pissing me off now. It's not in our wiki No but it's brand new Hold on, i know how to find it Where was it? Cheryl, Cheryl, Cheryl Atkison here we go Life after CBS link to article here we go Was that just a YouTube video that I had?

2:54:32 The Daily Signal. Oh God! I mean, you're gonna leave CBS You got this great rap and go to the daily... let's find out the Daily Signal It's not even hidden. Here it is here. The Daily Signal Heritage Foundation seeks new site...new site seeks mainstream impact Well they've got a lot of maybe they're at least paying your network salary? Oh i'm sure that she doesn't look worried I'll tell ya that Bloomberg even says, the Tea Party gets into the news biz. I mean it's completely one-sided partisan! Why would she do that? Disappointing. Disappointing...disappointing. I think I'm going back to Trish. I think Trish is saveable? Yeah maybe whatever the case okay i have a few clips i want to say for Thursday which is how about for Sunday okay i can move it up exactly

2:55:44 which will be of the environmental stuff with these guys. I do have, I do want to read, we'll do a reprise of the early discussion of uh... of the first amendment discussion you know that amendment to amend the first amendment yes i did catch this which is very uh... this just a little bit this is harry reid again when he's giving his speech and his opening it was just the end of it because He says something, I wish I could boost it or maybe I'll re-edit and boost it. It is just... this is the one, Reed has places to go he ends up leaving the whole thing with this lame, I got places to go things to do. I just found it hilarious! I mean, I've got flesh to press babies to kiss

2:56:33 Free speech shouldn't cost the American people a penny, a dime. Certainly not a dollar So Mr Chairman and members of the committee I'm happy if you have questions that you want to ask me To wait And I am happy to do that Otherwise I would ask your leave and I will leave We got places to go Thank You I got places, I got things to do. I've got no time for you. You morons! He was laughing when i heard that and he left. He got up and took off of course lovely anyway I think gets everyone up-to-date yeah we think that can conclude our show for today keeping track of the MERS meme which seems to be just another version of SARS only for Middle Easterners

2:57:28 Which is pretty much, I guess the same thing. Yeah that's what it sounds like. 200 people are dead okay big deal SARS had the same thing and never panned out Right So i don't know what that is exactly Oh yes I did want to say you thought Bitcoin was the beanie babies of the financial crisis or the financial industry? No, this cycle. This cycle right yeah so now that Halsey miner is starting a bitcoin company... Don't you think that means it basically the end is near well yeah me too! It's like bitcoin is the last refuge

2:58:16 And people say like, it's being accepted everywhere. Let me just tell you You're converting money buying it and you're converting money selling it I don't see how it's so great just yet It's not an economy its wampum Its beads, you know? It's like Club Med. Your converting on the way in your converting on the way out This is worse than PayPal but okay they're accepting getting your pub. But I get it. I get it That's fine Anyway, it's fun. Yeah. Oh, it's lots of fun we will be

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