Seven Proxies

00:00 How very dare you, Glenn! Celebrating 600 episodes of the best podcast in the universe from FEMA region 6 here the Travis Heights high dot, Austin, Texas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where my count is 599.5. I'm John C. Dvorak Always the Joker this is show 600 hey

00:39 Eric and Maria came over last night, are friends of ours here. Eric is the lawyer, the constitutional lawyer. Because Mickey had arranged for VIP guest list access to DJ Tiesto here in one of the clubs as a part of South by Southwest. Holy crap! Because she knows him. Okay, you you like Chester right you're into that kind of heard of him really you don't know DJ. No DJ I thought you like trance and house music well if you're listening to that stuff. You don't really care who's playing it Okay, DJ Jay Toresto DJ Tourette's no oh That's my new DJ name everybody. It's me DJ Tourette's oh

01:27 Fuck fuck fuck! So no, he's DJ Tiesto, he's a Dutch guy. He does like 70 million dollars a year, spinning records in clubs. Why don't you have him donate to the show? Yeah, well, there's that. Yeah, okay. So Mickey of course knows him since he ran all of Amsterdam nightlife for a while there. And so she tweets him. This is my mom, I was like, oh, tweets him. Hey, I hear you're playing, put me on the guest list. He says, yeah, plus one. And I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. I've met him. I think I gave him an award like 10 years ago or something. An award? An award. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm like, oh, this will be fun. And then of course, oh no, it's Saturday night and you know, it's crap. So Eric and Maria come over. Eric is driving the girls to the... because he's a lawyer. He's not going to go hang out and dance like me. And they're tweeting pictures. They're popping bottles in the club like, hey, look, it's me and Tiesto.

02:26 you know, selfies. And I'm sitting here my underwear prepping show 600. I'm like this the world is a little unfair. Well, you'd rather be there doing selfies at the club? Well, so Mickey comes back and says, oh, It was a lot of fun, but you know the whole VIP thing was just it was all hookers. I'm like, oh make it worse. Well then now you're talking. Yeah, like don't hurt me. It's all hookers. Like uh really? How many hookers are in Austin? I don't know. Seriously. Well let's look at backpage.austin.com. Actually let's not. A lot.

03:11 There's a lot of them. There's a bunch of rich guys there so I guess there would be hookers. It's funny, well it's South by Southwest so of course you know it's gonna be... Oh the hookers came in from out of town. Well I think most hookers usually come in from out of town, the ones that are worth anything. But there was um... The New York Times actually. What is the out of town they come in from? Dallas, Houston, they could come from New Orleans, LA. Yeah, the traveling hookers. Traveling hookers! New York Times report, in-depth report, details economics of sex trade and right here without accreditation, of course, they, it's right here, a whole paragraph on Dvorak's law in the New York Times, the recession has caused some in the sex industry to offer deals or drop prices.

04:03 Atlanta law enforcement officials reported some sex workers even offered Veterans Day specials. Yeah, they should. And let's just remind everybody of Dvorak's law of economics. You can tell you the one... Very good, John. Yeah, well, the law essentially says that in a down economy, the hookers get better looking. And there's more of them. There's more of them and they're cheaper. Yeah, that's what the whole thing is. Welcome to Western civilization. Works well. Yes. So anyway, so that was... I need to be... I'm gonna do that though. I'm gonna become DJ Terezzo. Yeah. That'd be kind of fun. I need to develop some stammering or something to make it interesting. Let me just see. Maybe I can get... How would you spell that? Terezzo. Should I do DJ Terezzo or just Terezzo.com? No, DJ and then it would be the word Terezz. But should it be DJ Terezzo or Terezzo.com?

05:02 Maybe just Toretso? Toretso.com is where I go. Okay, T-E-R-R-E-T-S-O. Is that not the way you spell Tourette's? Yeah. Okay. T-O-U-R-T-O-U-R-E-T-T-T-O-R-E-T-T-T-O-R-E-T-T-T-T-R-E-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T- So okay. All right register. All right. Let's see. No one off went that I'm sorry, it's taken Nailed it done. I've got it. Yeah great to a red zone. I can have a whole career Hey look, it's it's either that or go work for CNN who are now touting the headline

06:04 Let me get the headline. Reporters at risk in Crimea. Oh yeah, that's what they're doing. Reporters at risk in Crimea. They had Margaret Warner from the News Hour roaming freely around Crimea giving all kinds of interesting reports. I thought, you know, she's who used to be one of the anchors on the News Hour. They kicked her out, you know, thanks to Bill Gates. But she looks happier than ever now. She's a world traveler. Well, yeah, she's traveling. He's gotten out of the office, which must have been horrible. I have a report here. Let's take a look at it. This would be...

06:43 Ukraine... Oh yeah, this is actually interesting. This is Margaret roaming around Crimea and this is the Ukraine ballot. Which is taking place as we speak, I guess, right? Yeah, it is. Oleg Kobernik is going door-to-door in the small Crimean town of Zhankoy, urging his fellow Ukrainians to go out and vote Sunday to once again become part of Russia. He shows them a sample ballot on how they should vote. Their choice appears to be essentially between voting to join Russia immediately or to declare independence from Ukraine as a prelude to that. Kobernik volunteered for the new so-called self-defense forces after protests in Kiev ousted Russian-backed

07:30 president Viktor Yanukovych and installed a Western-backed government. He likens the current political struggle to the bloody battle over Ukraine 70 years ago between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Ah, ah, alright. Interesting how that AK-47 was just... Yeah, you know, if I wanted to sweeten the clip, I'd do it myself. I'm sorry. You got a new toy. No, no, no. We've had that for a while. This whole... Anyway, so the ballot says, stupid election is such... I don't know why this isn't reported on more. The options are the following.

08:07 Do you want to join Russia now? Do you want to join Russia later? Yeah. Listen to your two choices. Is that really exactly what it says? Well, essentially it says, well according to her, and she had the ballot there, it says we need to join Russia immediately. And the other one says we're going to become an independent republic with the option of joining Russia later. Right. So what about no? Is there a no possibility of just saying no? No, this is rigged. Well, yeah. Yeah, this is rigged. Yeah, it's rigged. Rigged. It's also, you know, everyone's getting in on the game now. Vienna. Was it Vienna? I think it was Vienna. Hold on. Yeah, I'm sorry. Venice. Venice wants to, is getting a referendum ready to secede from Italy. Which is exactly the same thing, by the way. Little crazy thing down there hanging off of the island, you know, underwater.

09:06 If it wasn't for the country of Italy, Venice would be broke. Oh, they got tourism. Yeah, but it's not paying for the bills to keep those buildings propped up. Yeah, there's not much. I mean Italy is broke It doesn't make much difference. Yeah, I guess that's true, too And they're gonna start trading again world traders Go right back in the old history books Let's play my other clip on the on Ukraine and so we can get it out of the West from the same report Okay For centuries Crimea was part of Russia until the Soviets transferred it to their Ukrainian Republic in the 50s. And Crimea remained part of Ukraine after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. The peninsula still hosts Russia's Black Sea fleet and voters like Svetlana Kalinina insist a majority of Ukrainian citizens here want to be Russian citizens again.

10:06 We've been waiting for this a long time. We felt oppressed for years. While we lived in poverty, the money Crimeans were making went straight to Kiev. Many parts of Crimea are impoverished with high unemployment and low levels of government services and benefits. There are no jobs, nothing here. 29 year old Alexander Kuzenko has only now found steady work as a courier. He too yearns to join Russia for economic reasons. Salaries and pensions are bigger in Russia while prices are lower. That's why I think the majority will vote to join Russia. We've discussed this before, this man on the street stuff, and it skews reporting to such a degree. Everything, everything we're seeing is bullcrap.

10:54 Yeah, it's bullcrap, but there is one underlying theme which I think is probably accurate which is that the Ukrainians are lazy Okay, now I'm gonna relate a story cuz my Buzzkill jr's best friend spent like two or three years in Ukraine and then he went now he was on some Russian island and now he's just lounging around the house smoking weed is that your no no he's always floating around Russia cuz his parents he lives in Tennessee or someplace like that his parents are worked at he doesn't get a job in the United States but he just got kicked out of the Russian island because apparently the Russians are pulling all the visas of foreign workers that are American as we speak. So he's like yesterday just got kicked out. But he says when he was in Ukraine he was always always trying to start little businesses the way Americans do. He says you can't get, says he started a magazine and he had everything lined up and then the day they opened nobody showed up.

11:52 Why don't you come to work and see if it's necessary? Can I just work from home today? I didn't want to work from home! Feeling a little under the weather. Wow. So here's the stuff that's really not being... well, it is being reported but it's of course not going to be in this report from this woman. Big companies, big American companies are getting very nervous about Jerry Kerry and his his Yaley skull and bone douche knuckles and the neocons and noodlemen about, you know, the sanctions that of course are good to go, that they're kind of forcing. The president is just a puppet in this case. PepsiCo and General Electric have now openly warned Kerry

12:38 that sanctions can backfire, of course, and I have a clip from Putin, they've got business in Russia and Putin is now saying, hey, why don't I start some sanctions over here on some of your stupid companies? Yeah, I don't know what news outfit this is from. The Russians have essentially put out the message that you sanction us, you're going to pay the price. We're going to seize American businesses' assets in Russia. And remember, there are a lot of major multinational American corporations who do business in Russia and they're concerned about that. At the same time, in terms of how far the sanctions could go. Alright, so here's what we're talking about. PepsiCo's... PepsiCo has earnings of, I think,

13:25 more than a billion dollars in Russia. General Electric has a joint venture with two Russian gas firms for gas turbines. Ford has car partnerships. This is, you know, is this really the plan? Obviously it can't be. No, and we already know that Merkel won't do anything and she's going to veto anything the EU is going to try to do because Germans are worse off than we are when it comes to being connected at the hip. Yeah, they really need the Russian money. So this, I think ultimately this will just be about, you know, putting some bombs around, you know, putting some ICBMs at the borders.

14:09 You know, stuff like that. Well, I think they should just pull back from the whole thing. I still don't think it's our business to deal with this and... Oh, hold on! And not only... Dvorak for president! But, yes, being wrong, yeah. But I'm still under this sneaking suspicion that unless the Russians are completely naive about this or they're just so prideful they can't live with it, I just still think it would be in the Russians' best interest to let the Ukraine fall under the influence of the EU and maybe even join the EU at some point. Because it's not a country that, it's almost like a toxic country. And I think it would just completely screw over the EU over the long haul.

14:54 Yeah, but the Russians don't want that either. They need the EU. It's their customer. You don't want the customer to die. Well, I guess there's that. Well, it's just this isolate. So what is this then? It's just bull crap as far as I'm concerned. I think it might so. I don't understand exactly how it works, but it feels like it has something to do with the petrodollar. And by the way, it would not surprise me. If the State Department's, because Obama's out. He's just on the sideline. He's just doing what? I gotta do what? Oh, I'll sign this exact. Yeah, I'll sign that. All right. Hey, Muppet movie! Two Ferns! Guys, so clueless. It wouldn't surprise me if the Yaley, Jerry Kerry neocons are in cahoots with Putin. Maybe they have a plan together to screw Germany, maybe. It could, I mean, I don't know.

15:50 It does it nothing seems logical from an economic perspective that much we know Here's a here's Jerry Carey talking about one of our original thesis or my thesis I Which is the export of liquid natural? petroleum to Europe to you know in case pollutants starts to do something weird with the gas it does seem that if the administration would move to allow the export of natural gas into the Ukraine That's not him by the way. That's the one of the chair in the Senate that would send a powerful signal that we could indeed Do something here that would produce American jobs after all we're flaring a lot of gas here. We're we're actually Capping a lot of our wells if we exported that specifically to that market it might take time, but once we made that signal investors would then put up a

16:50 put up the terminals necessary for us to do it. And it would go into the calculus in Moscow about whether or not they wanted to lose... I hate that word. Do they have like a... Have you noticed the usage of the word calculus? No, no, no, this is... Oh no, it's a meme. It's like, oh, we're going to have to change the calculus. We have to do the calculus. Oh, the calculus. I don't know, it makes no sense if we do the calculus. Do they have one of those abacus things? Is that how they do their budget in Russia? it's a uh... it's a mean that position and it might bring them to the table and i wanted to raise that in the calculus is evidence-based issue with you well for it mister and i don't know how long and part of energy has jurisdiction over this within the administration they have issued six licenses already or eight point five billion cubic billion per day in uh... to be exported to uh... free trade in non free trade countries including europe so

17:48 It's a possibility. Now, the first major project to export gas is not going to take hold until sometime in 2015. So – but since we're in March, Ukraine's needs you know, such that they ought to be able to get, if there is any manipulation of it. We just send them propane tanks. What is he saying? What is he trying to say? I think we'll send them propane tanks. He's saying that because it's March and it's not that cold anymore, it's not a dire necessity. So 2015 is early enough. Yeah, so screw them. They can cook with nothing. Burn some books or something to keep warm if you got a problem. You guys next.

18:30 corner of the world know what to do. Cook over wood! Yeah, so we've been talking about the neocons running this operation, whatever their ultimate goal is, which is kind of published, the project for a new American century, and I've got a very upsetting email, a short one, but a very upsetting email from one of our knights that I wanted to share because I thought it was so unfair. I listened to the whole Cheney rant. This was where I was saying, you know, that he's the worst person in the universe. All he wants is to kill people. He wants the bombs at the border, which he was literally saying. He wants, you know, let's put the ICBMs back up there. Let's get our war machine all cranked up. That's what he was saying, correct? More or less. Yeah, and I said, the guy's an a-hole. You said that for sure. Yeah, so I listened to the whole Cheney rant.

19:26 and thought it was very distasteful. It is very hard for me to feel good about supporting someone, that would be this show, who so viciously rips a person who is out of power while forgiving those who are now in power and committing such crimes against us. Like what show are you listening to? What? Yeah! You're forgiving who? Are we forgiving specifically Obama? Apparently I'm forgiving the NSA and Obama. Gary? Yeah. Sounds like you're ripping him every week. Yeah, no, I'm forgiving them for committing such crime. No, I'm not! I don't think so. And that's exactly what I said. Don't insult me! Don't insult me with this! I'm just telling you that I didn't like something! No, you're accusing me of things I didn't do.

20:15 No, no, no. We go after all these... I don't know who we've ever made an excuse for. I guess... What's his name? The guy that was ousted by them reapportioning his area. Oh, Dennis Kucinich. Kucinich, yeah. That's about the only guy I like. Railroaded him out. Yeah, that's like the only guy I like. We try to listen to him and we also, I think, with Rand Paul once in a while. Yeah. Him less so than Ron Paul. Yeah. But then we've also gone after them for being corrupt in some way or other. No, that's bullcrap. Somebody obviously is all in with the torture and with the Cheney and Cheney bullcrap is just completely out of control. Well this night, needless to say, after what you just said there, we'll never ever support the show. Unless he wakes up and smells the coffee. We have no agenda, people. For 699.5 episodes, we've had no agenda.

21:13 None. It just to be able... the only agenda I have is to be able to do another one. Yeah. Just want to be able to do another one. You see the bullshit behind all this stuff and Cheney is not... Now why is he even on the TV anyway? He's out of power. You're not out of power if you're on the TV. Yeah. Blathering about what America should do. That's a powerful place to be. And if this guy was out of power. How's that out of power? And if he's out of power... It's not as though the guys decided to live a quiet life in the middle of nowhere, Casper, Wyoming, with his wife and family up in the mountains and we are jamming him because even though he wants to get out of the public eye, that's not what's going on. No. If he was out of power, his heart would stop. The knight should rethink his priorities. Something interesting popped up on the Federal Register. This is notice of determination in section 301 investigation of Ukraine. This is something not talked about because, oh, let me think. Yeah, it's so hard to read the Federal Register. They have an RSS feed even. You can subscribe.

22:17 The Trade Representatives made the determinations in their investigation on February 28th, 2014. The Trade Representative initiated a Section 301 investigation of certain acts, policies and practices of the Government of Ukraine with respect to intellectual property rights. identification of this. The acts, policies and practices subject to investigation were those that formed the basis of Ukraine's designation in the May 1st 2013 Special 301 report as a priority for the country. Those acts, policies and practices involved are the administration of Ukraine's system for collecting societies, that's your ASCAP, BMI, Harry Fox agency,

22:57 which are responsible for collecting and distributing royalties to U.S. and other rights holders. By the way, when money's collected it comes to us first because we invented that. We invented music, you see. We invented motion picture. Use of infringing software by Ukrainian government agencies and online infringement of copyright and related rights. The notice of initiation proposed the determination by these acts, policies, practices actionable under section 301. So they're getting in early. Hey, we got a new government there in Ukraine. Get in line. Let's be in line first. Yeah, we're the ones who also invented the overnight line. The breadline. Didn't we invent that in the depression? That's right. It's a fine American tradition, ladies and gentlemen. The breadline. And this is essentially a breadline. It's a breadline. Yeah, I was just about to say that.

23:51 Meanwhile, of course, we do have to scorn Putin and Russia once again. The Paralympics are currently taking place in Sochi, which will have a grand total of 52 hours of television coverage during the entire games, which boils down to about 2 times 30 minutes a day on NBC around 3 a.m. And Putin is now like some handicapped... I'm sorry. disabled human being resources. He's being confronted because he didn't have the proper ramps, because he hates cripples!

24:32 Not only does he hate gays... I didn't see this at all. Well yeah it's all over the place. So it's not the proper ramps and it's Putin's fault. Yeah it's human rights watch again of course. I'm telling you, you can say whatever you want about the gas and all the rest, this is all about Snowden. Yeah but what you do is you just say you take anything bad and you just put Putin in front or behind it and it's okay. So like blank hates cripples. He hates dogs, he hates gays, he hates gays, yeah, he hates dogs, he hates gays, and he hates cripples! Yeah, no, he's a hateful person. Paralympians. He's just a horrible, horrible, horrible man. He doesn't want the right ramps. It's an outrage, says Human Rights Watch. And you know what else? He won't give up Snowden. No, of course he won't give up Snowden. A lot came out regarding that, man. Oh, this, uh... So first of all, someone sent me an email

25:32 And the more I think about it, the more our idea that this entire Snowden, all these people who are popping up around him, which includes Laura Poitras and Jacob Applebaum, I.O. Error, and Dorothy Riva, and the whole Intercept crew over there to Pierre Drive My Car's outfit. Another week has gone by. and I still haven't read an article you haven't read the intercept it is so obvious their job is their mission is to protect the Google who book this is my new name the Google Google who book the Google who book yeah that's Google Yahoo Facebook Google who book the Google who book it's that yeah it's the it's the trifecta the Google who book so the first email I got is from one of our

26:26 producers who said, oh the the seven proxies thing that you recall Snowden did a Google Google Hangout at South by Southwest and the first thing that the ACLU shill lawyers said, well you know in order to hook this up we got him on seven proxies. Apparently this is a meme that you and I were not aware of. This is a... Seven proxies? Yes. It's a 4chan meme And the meme is, I went through seven proxies, good luck trying to find me. So either this was an incredible joke on someone's part, which I don't think was the ACLU guy. No, it was probably his writer. Yeah, his writer. I didn't know that. I had never heard of this. So that's the thing. That's a good one to look for. Yeah, I'm behind seven proxies, good luck in tracking me down.

27:22 Oh yeah, that's like the meme that's, yeah, well these guys, I think they're responsible for, you know, I for one welcome our new so-and-so overlords, you know, it's a meme. Yeah, that's another one, exactly. Now Snowden's South by Southwest talk, as you and I deconstructed, pretty much was not saying stop using Google Who book, it was, we need encryption. Yes, we need encryption. More encryption. This coincided to the day with Google's announcement of taking steps to encrypt search results. This whole thing was a promotion. Well, Jefferson, they keep all your search queries at the Google offices for 18 months to 3 years.

28:09 So if I type in a hello, I'm looking for someone's, you know, somebody, Google saves it and they keep it. They got all these computers, they store it. I don't know why. Also, they give me better ads, that's why. That way I can... What did I do? I bought something the other day and... Just before you go off on the tangent... Go on, I'm sorry. I won't go off that tangent, but you know what I was gonna say. Yes, the ads, yeah. But here we have Snowden, his only point is encryption. It happens almost on the same exact moment that Google announces, and he's on a Google Hangout, and Google announces, oh hey we're doing encryption now for all your searches, everything's safe now. How is it safe? Don't argue with me, of course it's not safe!

28:56 I'm getting to a point here, just follow the point. Everybody listening to the show right now knows it's bullshit, but let's figure out who the players are. Zuckerberg then comes out in Politico, well, I had to call the president because it turns out that the NSA was spoofing, pretending to be my Facebook. I wish you would do a real Zuckerberg voice instead of that character you're doing. I don't have a Zuckerberg voice. Now to bring this all together we have Steve Levy who I'm sure you know. I do know Steve. Steve Levy, he wrote an article for Wired magazine about how the United States almost killed the internet and still might, cover article.

29:44 Steve, I think, and I'll give you my first impression of him, total Google shill. Tell me, you know Steve, what is he? Is he a good guy? Well, I've had plenty of drinks with him. He is a opportunist and he as a writer, he's a good writer, but he was on the Apple bandwagon forever and he was just a shill for Apple. And I'd say this to his face and he'd go, yeah, whatever. And yeah, shill for Apple, shill for Apple, shill for Apple, friends with Steve, shill for Apple, wrote a couple bunch of books, special access, Steve dies.

30:22 And then what now he writes the Googleplex. Okay, which is all about Google and the goo and he Steve and Googliness and he's googly and he loves everything Google. I'm sure he does. That's the way it works He's the Guga who book who are he is essentially a walking native ad for these guys. Thank you So he is on C-SPAN which as you know is pretty much the only they have it in HD now Except I don't have C-SPAN 3 HD. I have never seen, it's not on the DISH network, it's not in HD. Yeah, they have C-SPAN 1 as HD, but of course some of the content is just inherently not HD. But, you know, some of it is HD. So the Washington, what is it, the Washington Hour, Daily, The Collins Show, which

31:09 For some reason our producers just they're too late. They're like our producers must be all from Ukraine. They're so lazy They can't think it's three phone numbers. You can call up And there's interesting people. Steven Levy is a Google hoo-hoo-er. He's a shill. It's a perfect opportunity. And the people that did call up were, oh, the other day I was, it was actually a woman. I had three tabs open on my Google. That's literally what she's, her browser she calls Google. And I had, because I'm researching a turtle, and all of a sudden the word prism showed up at the top of one of these tabs. I didn't know that was possible. And Levy's just like,

31:49 And I didn't clip that because I want to get to the important stuff. He's not used to dealing with the public. But this is the kind of people that call to any... Our producers need to be called. We've only had one guy call in once about the six-week cycle, which we'll get to. But no, please, people, call into the show. It's hilarious. OK. You can have some fun with it, too. So here is Levi. Here he is. Here's the entire job now. Now that Steve's dead. to promote the Googliness of the Google of Google and talk about how about encryption and of course obviously he's been hanging out with Eric Schmidt probably on the jet on their on their listening tour. And we learned from Edward Snowden just recently at the South by Southwest conference this week that encryption works.

32:39 Right, it does work. Though it's not flawless. In order to do encryption right, you actually have to be relatively sophisticated. It's not so easy for just plain people to use it. And that's an ongoing complaint. I have a question about that. Really? Did you just like sigh because I have a question? I did. I sighed. Why? No, because it's a stupid... I don't care why. I don't know what he's saying, what he's talking about. I don't know that he knows what he's talking about. But this... I just thought it was a... I wasn't sighing it had anything to do with you. I'm just saying. I'm sensitive to that. It was a sifle clip. Okay. It's not even over.

33:22 So this is the meme that is ongoing. The meme is encryption is hard, you have to be sophisticated to do it, it's not all that easy. Why is it, do you think, that Google, I'll just take Google or Facebook, whose entire mission has been to make things on the internet easy, Why have they not spent any time in creating the be-all to end-all encryption product that once and for all integrates your address book, your email communication, your PGP keys, makes it really easy to do? Gee, do you think that's because it is not in their best interest? It's an advertising agency. They don't care about encryption.

34:07 I'm just pointing out that for all the... if you think Google is great, you're an idiot because these guys are screwing everybody by not making the one thing. Snowden. If you're there clapping for Snowden, yay encryption, we need encryption! Then you need to force these companies to make it easy for you to do. They make everything easy except that. At South by Southwest I interviewed Eric Schmidt. Eric Schmidt as you know he's probably an important dude. He was the executive chair of Google. Yes, as I hang out with him Google. I'm sorry I got to complain about this leave you can't. And a co-author of a book he wrote, Jared Cohen, and they did a big international listening tour for their book and they said they were surprised that

34:53 the degree to which even dissenters in companies and countries who have a lot to lose from having their communications intercepted don't use the tools that are available to them to scramble their communications because it's too complicated. Okay, so why doesn't the executive chairman change that? He's not going to. On to Steve Levy who's going to explain exactly how these companies work and why these companies exist. Here's a tweet from a viewer who asks this, how much money does a typical company make off of our data? Percentage of profit, can we forbid them from keeping data beyond a billing cycle? Do these companies make

35:33 money from the government for mining this data and handing it over? What would the correct answer be John C. Duvorak? The correct answer is that most of the large companies Twitter, Facebook, Google, these people hold data and sell it to the government or anybody else who wants to buy it and it's a very profitable business. That's the correct answer. When are you having drinks with Steve Levy next? So you know well you know the the first part of the question whether it's from the government or not, just from their own use

36:21 is is gets truly to the essence of what's complicated for these companies about this because these companies as you know your tweeter implies you know they they their model of serving the customer is based on having information about the customer and being able to like target information those those users want or to deliver the information that they want based on who they are you know that's really important to those companies and those companies sort of what you know these companies want to cut a deal with us. And Steve, I mean I just want to jump in at that point because They sell this information then to other companies who want that research? No, they don't sell it. They use it for themselves. That's bull crap. They sell it. It's a known fact. No, no, no. They use it to make our lives better. They use it for themselves to make our lives better, John.

37:13 Not for advertising, it's to make our lives better. Yes, that's what they do. The deal when we search in Google is that Google might, you know, store our behavior while we search and what we click on, but then they give us better search results. Oh, that's why. I always wondered why they stored all that data. Facebook says that, you know, if they know more about us... It's okay, I'm nice, I can take it. No, no, it's 13 seconds, come on. They could provide more relevant information. Oh. We go on Facebook and look on that news feed that scrolls by there. They don't sell it to the government. No, they do get reimbursed for supplying it to the government. It's reimbursement John. It's not selling. It's a reimbursement. I think we should stop calling it donations and just call it a reimbursement. Reimbursement? Levi is a big liar.

38:05 All right, he gets on one of these What do you call it? It's not a bandwagon a tit. It's a cow's tit a teat He gets on a teat and he's on his way I would I would have a drink with him and call him out on all this stuff that he just said that you Well, he's just think we clipped and he go. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Yeah. No, I'm sure he doesn't care He's selling books. He doesn't care The final clip that I have is really the, this is the essence of what he is doing and what First Look Media is doing, The Intercept. And Snowden, I have to say, is deflecting away from the true vacuum cleaner, which is these companies. And the meme now is, oh, boohoo!

38:49 You're making us look bad, President Obama. I'm Mark Zuckerberg. I'm calling you. Stop it! You write this at the beginning of your piece for Wired Magazine. Google, Facebook, Microsoft and the other tech titans have had to fight for their lives against the US government, against their own government. And of course, let's position them as heroes. An exclusive look inside their year from hell and why the internet will never be the... Wait, wait, stop. Are you, so in other words the list of heroes is that list on that one slide of the guys who sold out to NSA, the PRISM slide? Yes. Beginning at Microsoft in 1999. They're heroes. And then up and up and up and up to Apple. That's our list of heroes? Heroes. Is that what they're kind of angling for here? Yes. Oh okay. They're heroes, they are fighting the man. Same. Why has it been a year from hell?

38:05 All right, he gets on one of these What do you call it? It's not a bandwagon a tit. It's a cow's tit a teat He gets on a teat and he's on his way I would I would have a drink with him and call him out on all this stuff that he just said that you Well, he's just think we clipped and he go. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Yeah. No, I'm sure he doesn't care He's selling books. He doesn't care The final clip that I have is really the, this is the essence of what he is doing and what First Look Media is doing, The Intercept. And Snowden, I have to say, is deflecting away from the true vacuum cleaner, which is these companies. And the meme now is, oh, boohoo!

38:49 You're making us look bad, President Obama. I'm Mark Zuckerberg. I'm calling you. Stop it! You write this at the beginning of your piece for Wired Magazine. Google, Facebook, Microsoft and the other tech titans have had to fight for their lives against the US government, against their own government. And of course, let's position them as heroes. An exclusive look inside their year from hell and why the internet will never be the... Wait, wait, stop. Are you, so in other words the list of heroes is that list on that one slide of the guys who sold out to NSA, the PRISM slide? Yes. Beginning at Microsoft in 1999. They're heroes. And then up and up and up and up to Apple. That's our list of heroes? Heroes. Is that what they're kind of angling for here? Yes. Oh okay. They're heroes, they are fighting the man. Same. Why has it been a year from hell?

39:40 Well, for what I was talking about before is this... This is what Levy wrote by the way. I don't know if you read his article but he says it's been a year from hell for these companies. They've been through hell with billions in profit and billions in value for the founders. you know, are under constant scrutiny because they ask so much of us. They ask us really to give up part of our privacy in order for the benefits of these companies provide to us and also these companies sell ads against that information. They don't give the information to the advertisers but they use that information to service ads. Oh, okay. Let me just make sure I understand how this works. They take the information and they service the ads.

40:23 This guy's really off the rails. So it's part of their business model as well. So they've spent years trying to get us comfortable with that deal. And they've been doing a pretty good job because we use these companies a lot, even though we know that we're sharing information that in other circumstances we might not be comfortable with. Now something new comes into the equation. not only is that information being used by the companies, but wait a minute, the government's getting hold of that information there. So in other words, like little brother is collaborating with big brother there. And that just throws all the trade-offs askew and could make us very uncomfortable with it and really threaten those companies' core models. Ah, well good. And the gall, the gall of Mark Zuckerberg to pretend, I don't know, maybe he did call the president, I don't know, maybe, I'm sure he can. Zuckerberg on the line, sir.

41:15 Hey Mark, what's up? Heil everybody! What's up? The gall of him to say, wait a minute, you guys spoofed Facebook to plant malware while he, while in the Time Magazine, we know that, that Robert Mueller, the FBI director has an office in Facebook and is just walking around and that the CIA's very own investment venture capital firm invested in both, uh, Facebook and in Google. Google has a known, although the details not been published, a deal with the NSA. They have a joint venture and Amazon is hosting 600 million dollars worth of CIA data. People, wake the F up!

42:01 Come on! And what's happening here, and I'm just convinced of it, is we have these journalists who are producing journalism which is squarely bent at making the government look really bad and exposing what is going on but making the tech companies look like the good guys and the heroes. With PowerPoint slides! I have no proof. I have a PowerPoint slide with some top-secret, your eyes only, SIGINT, info, no RFN, mm-hmm, coding, that with some arrows that shows how you could hijack through DNS, I presume, to make it look like someone's getting a Facebook page. There's no code, I have no log files, I have no proof of this. So this is all just theater of the mind as far as I'm concerned. Not that I doubt it can happen or has happened, but this is not journalism, this is PowerPoint slides.

42:54 I'm not impressed. I don't know, to be honest about it, I don't know that if anybody really appreciates this show, how anybody, and you managed to do it. It wasn't the best thing I've ever heard, but you managed to take a Steve Levy article and produce an entire segment. Based on it. I don't know it's like what's like watching a magician. Hey, but but I have no Tricks this tricks. It's not just tricks. It's true fine. No, but

43:31 Okay. And here's where it came home for me. You just were galled by this levy article. No, no, no. Because I've been... No, what happened... Or the C-span thing must have just got on your nerves and then no agenda people call, which is wide open for anybody who calls a harassment. Wide open. Now, here's what happened. I based upon... Because I saw the PowerPoint slide. We have a PowerPoint slide. Let's write an article that's three times too long and publish it on a subdomain of something from a billionaire. on a WordPress blog. I wanted to set up, and our good night 19-inch rack was helping me set up a DNS sec, secure DNS, which is the way you can thwart people hijacking your page. And I really wanted to do it for NoAgenda, for nashownotes.com.

44:21 Because it's like, we have copies, offline text copies of every single web page that we have in the show notes. I don't want any... just what you do, and it's not that hard. Now, curry.com is where we started, and the show notes, I registered this at Network Solutions. Network Solutions, which is one of the oldest registrars on the web, the internet, they were the internet before they were bought and then they were bought again, do not support DNSSEC. Do not support it. One of the oldest registrars on the web. This is insane. But can't you just use an IP address?

45:09 No, no. You know, it's just because you don't know how it works. DNSSEC is a specific function you have to... It's basically like putting an encryption key into your Whois information And then when the DNS is queried, the keys are used. So it's not just an IP address, you have to have the registrar... Okay, so it has to be authenticated at some level. Yes, yeah. Now, if they're not supporting it, then who's supporting it and what good is it? Well, strangely, I will not use them. GoDaddy supports it, but I will not use GoDaddy. I can't deal with the amount of clicks you have to go through.

45:46 And then I went through the fine experience of transferring a domain name to another registrar. Have you ever had that fun? I have, Mike, I do that. Essentially, you have to answer all these questions. Why do you want to leave us? For what reason? Are you sure? That depends on where you're transferring from. From internet. Yeah, well they what they wanted and they keep well, I mean, why do you want to leave us is not always there It's only with the whoever it was you were registered with. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm saying I they asked why do you want to leave us because I'm trying to transfer it and then you have to go through cuz you suck What'd you tell him? No, I said you do not provide it's a drop-down menu. You can't say you suck Oh, you have to go through all these drop-down menus to DNS issue and then because you have to get a token from them

46:32 And then they're like, oh, wait, before you leave, would you like a deal? We gave you 10 years for... Wait, why don't you ask for the deal? I would be pissed about that. If I'm going to get the deal, I want it up front. I don't want to have to answer a bunch of questions and then get the deal. This, by the way, here's a tip from Adam. If you want to register with a porn site, always take the free option and then immediately leave. Because upon leaving they'll say, oh well hold on a second we'll give you a year for a dollar It's the best way to get cheap porn anyway But then I had to call them and I had to go through another 18 menus before you get a guy who reads a script And then are you sure yeah, we'd love to offer you to know Anyway

47:23 It's these companies that have ruined the internet and Steve Levy's Wired article, shame on Wired for this article, shame on you, shame on Steve Levy, shame on Snowden for promoting bullcrap from the same companies who are vacuuming up your stuff. There you go, whoo, a rabbit. That brings us to what the real issue is when, and this is the great report, this ICAN report, apparently, this is, This is the report, this is the kind of crap... that you get from Fox and by the way I want people there's a lot of people out there listening we have some older listeners and they would be listening to Fox once in a while they had the worst news organization yeah this Shepard and that other guy they're all bare those guys are okay because they just report straight news they don't do anything like what you're gonna hear here where they bring on some idiot some woman who I whose name is Pran or Fran or something like that her the correspondent Elizabeth Pran I believe

48:24 graduate, I looked her up, graduate of University of Florida and journalism, real pretty. She was an intern, turned producer. I mean Fox must be crawling with these women. Good-looking blonde, doesn't know anything. And this is what we're gonna hear and I do want to comment because this is gonna be my column in PC Magazine on next week about this what's going on with Icon. Well, the U.S. government is planning to relinquish control over the body that manages Internet names and addresses. It's a move that's expected to bring more international cooperation over the management of the World Wide Web, but it's also making some American businesses nervous. Elizabeth Pran is joining us now to tell us more about why it has some folks rattled.

49:05 Hi Uma, well the Commerce Department has been overseeing the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers or ICANN for almost a decade. ICANN maintains, administers domain names as well as IP addresses among other web requirements across the world. That's not true. That however is scheduled to expire next year and it appears U.S. officials will give up its oversight role and let the contract run out. The job may be taken on by groups that lead private businesses as well as other interested parties, not just multiple governments. Recently, however, critics have been raising concerns that other countries may try to take control. I think that's kind of what I'm seeing with the internet. It's almost as if rather than admit that we made some stupid... What? This is Hucklebee.

49:48 Because he... I'm sure... What does he doesn't... Go back and so he doesn't know what he's talking about and by the way at the end of the report they said they're gonna go to to Pat Buchanan to discuss this. There are people that know something, but go ahead, play it. Multiple governments. Recently, however, critics have been raising concerns that other countries may try to take control. I think that's kind of what I'm seeing with the internet. It's almost as if rather than it... Hold on, I like this. He's sitting in his command center. And he's looking over the internet and this is what he's seeing. Is that what he just said? Yeah. This is what I'm seeing on the internet. Admit that we've made some stupid and even some unconstitutional mistakes in invasion of privacy. Let's clean up our act, but let's not give away... What does it have to do with it? Clean up our act. The whole process.

50:39 Democratic lawmakers such as Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller are praising the decision, releasing a statement and in part it reads, since 1998 the US has been committed to transitioning management of the Internet's domain name system to an independent entity that reflects the broad diversity of the global Internet community. NTIA's announcement today is the beginning of that process. Well, the decision is historic. Internet users should notice really no changes if anybody at home is concerned. Oh, man. Thank you very much. Of course I knew that this, I read the articles this is happening and we know that the ITU, the United Nations, the Telecommunications Union has been wanting to get this for a long time. I had no idea that the way they'd spin this

51:28 If I just heard this correctly, and by the way, the IP addresses and network segments, I believe that's from RIPE and not from ICANN. It's not important. But the reason, it is important because they're taking people like Huckabee, people have absolutely no knowledge of this and they're letting them spin the Snowden NSA story into a... Yeah, it's got nothing to do with it. But when you see, I mean what Huckabee says has got nothing to do with anything. I don't know why they even put him on. This is horrible. Fox is behind this. And then they have, they do the quote from Jay Rockefeller, who's a Democrat, which also reconfirms... He's New World Order is what he is. He's New World Order. Here's the deal.

52:08 And this has been going on since 1998, almost to the day that ICON got into the business of doing anything, maintaining the DNS servers. Here's the what's really that you know this as well as I do this is about and it's not about diversity or anything This is about giving it over to the UN. Yeah, the United Nations wants to get they've been wanting to get a hold of this for years I have been flown down to the ICON headquarters more than once to be lectured by the guys running and saying we're gonna be fucked When these guys take it over, they're trying to screw us. The internet is dead once they take it over and they have just been, so it's been stalling for a while. Rockefeller of course being on the wrong side of this.

52:49 The idea is as you get in get the UN to do this and now all of a sudden all those things about not being able to say bad things hurtful things. It's a right censor the internet program, agenda 21, everything. You won't be able to produce this show is gonna be one of the targeted things that's gonna get killed. We're gonna get killed by the United Nations. That can happen any day now. But that is not true. And I do want to set you straight on this. While they can capture the DNS system, they can do all kinds of things with the quote-unquote web, the network itself at the network layer level is rampantly out of control and there's no way for them to stop it. There is an ITM DNS service. If people want to get this show,

53:41 we can teach them how to change. It's not easy and I'm not saying it's going to make life better, in fact it'll make it much worse and we'll become pirates on the outside. But there's a small number of people that will go through the trouble. Excuse me, what do you think our audience is? We have a small number of people but they will go through the trouble. They won't go through the trouble of calling C-SPAN. Those people? Is that who you're talking about? Why do you have to bum me out like that? I'm just saying, you're the one that brought up the C-SPAN thing and you've made the point, you've made it before, you've made it a lot of times that our audience will support the show but they won't do any work. Well the only work they would have to do is change one number on their computer. That's all it would take. It's a big jump, I understand. You're talking about the DNS number? That's all you have to do.

54:31 And then that most people have set to Google. In fact that somehow many is automatically set to Google the 8.8.8.8? I haven't seen anyone automatically set to Google. Oh it happened to my, here's how it works, the router on your cable modem if it reboots or if they initiate a reboot they can set it to Google. And then that propagates through to your machines unless you have the machine specifically set manually to a DNS server that you like. And I saw that happen just the other day. So it will come down to that. I totally agree. And there will absolutely, this is about shutting us up, about disconnecting entire network segments. Not shutting us up, shutting up anyone who doesn't go along with the program.

55:25 You know, so it's... that's what it will come down to. And this is why I'm a true prepper. I mean, you're the meta prepper, I know. You've got the list and address of everyone who's got food. But I've been prepping myself for the inevitable day when you will have to have your own email server in order to email without restrictions, where you will have to have your own DNS, where you will have to have some form of different search, which I have. Yaesi, I've talked about that a lot as well. That day is coming, and you might as well let your kids start seeing it and understanding it because that's what we should be learning, not how to swipe your fingers over an iPad.

56:08 I'm sure that I'm sure the specific topic is part of the Common Core. In fact, that's the book I should be writing. Digital Prepping. Actually, that would be a good book. I would look at that myself since we're on the topic of this sort of thing. I had to get this clip and this because it's just an interesting clip because we got into a debate around the house here about this is in my thing. Of course, this is why you need a ham license. Was this you? That was me saying that. Okay, yeah. This is the Stingray Report. Oh yes, now I'm familiar with this. Okay.

56:47 In California, newly revealed documents show local police are using powerful devices that allow them to secretly collect location and other data from cell phones. Known as stingrays, the devices pose as cell towers to intercept real-time data from all cell phones in a certain radius. While their use by federal agencies was previously known, new records obtained by News 10 in Sacramento shows stingrays are in wide use by police forces in California, from Los Angeles to Sacramento and Oakland, where they were used to make 19 arrests in 2009 alone. According to News 10, quote, when Miami-Dade police in Florida submitted a grant application to buy a stingray, they told the city council they needed one to monitor

57:30 protesters at an upcoming World Trade Conference. Parking a stingray outside the protest would give law enforcement the names and telephone numbers of everyone nearby, News 10 said. Yeah, yeah, it's essentially the same thing they did with Facebook. Yeah, this is the analog for your cell phone users. And of course this plays right into your little, I don't carry my cell phone around anymore kind of thing. I don't have a southern accent, do I? I can't do your accent. So could everybody please who's listening to this right now, and if you're in the car and you can't do it, we'll just write it down and memorize it. OpenNICproject.org. So that's OpenNICproject.org. It'll give you two new DNS servers right there. It's the alternative DNS system. Everything will work. Everything will work just fine, except it's not controlled by ICANN.

58:26 And through the OpenNIC project you can actually register, there's a whole bunch of cool things you can do. It is the Linux of DNS. And you should do that. Do that today. Do it right now. Do it on all of your computers so that you can't get spoofed. I'm sorry, anything can happen of course. But this is a start, it's a good alternative to these agency-controlled networks that are now being hijacked for the United Nations and I take your point and you're absolutely right John it is about controlling speech but it will be called internet freedom crazy enough it's internet freedom that's right speaking of internet freedom I'd like to say for the 600th time

59:13 Thank you for your courage and kittens and in the morning to you John C. Dvorak. Well actually technically I don't think it was until about show 100 before we came into this little back and forth so That's why we call you the buzzkill In the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. And to our artistes, thank you very much Martin JJ for your album artwork for episode 5, 9 or 9. Or hello and in the morning to you there in the chatroom always ready with a snide comment. and sometimes a word of encouragement, then even sometimes a good idea. All the human resources know agenda stream.com. This is the program where for the 600th time we are bringing you completely non-agenda held content. We have no advertising, no native advertising, no sponsorships, no in-show mentions, no compensation whatsoever for any products or services we discuss.

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1:01:08 Oh my god. Another 600? There's truly nothing like the Noah Jenner show which is accurate and proud to finally achieve a knighthood. Episode 500 and 600 donations. That's interesting. He wasted 100 shows. to donate. Well, but then he did it big. Yeah, well, he probably donated $500. I don't have the number here, but $500 for show, $500. $600 for show, $600. We will expect $700. In three years. For sure. In three years. No, it's less than that. No, it's 100 shows, which is two years. Which is still a... No, actually it's one year. It's about a year. A year from now. Yeah. I sure will. It's a pretty good deal. So he can... I like it. What is it? $8 a month?

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1:09:00 as my repentance and give him a karma. Okay, so then he just needs a karma. Yeah, here we go. Bend over, here it comes, here it comes. You've got karma. Wow! Well, nice list of course, where you can always count on our knights and our dukes and archduke, grand duke, super dukes, uber dukes. Uber duke. And we should mention that everyone who donated $600, even backwards 600 like Sir Rice that, Yeah, he did the one. We'll be on the list of executive producers for this show so you'll have two producerships you can credit to the... To your IMDB or your LinkedIn. It's funny, I was looking for someone the other day. Someone had sent me an email and I wanted to find out and I knew it was a listener or producer but he had kind of a common name and here's what you do. You

1:09:58 uh, invariably these people all show up on LinkedIn. They, and there's like 28 people with this name are on LinkedIn and they just look for the one that is a no agenda producer. Bam. You've got them. Yeah. It's very, it's a good, very handy. Very handy. I know you have a common name on LinkedIn. This is one of the problems with the service. You cannot, unless the person is famous or validate or at the top of the list, you'll never find them. No. Hey, I'm gonna work on that digital preppers book idea. That's an actual good idea and there will be ham radio stuff in the book. No, it's a great idea. You can do your email server where you can do some ham radio stuff once you get a ham license. But also just the concept that people understand that we don't have to use all these services. Well yeah, if you want to stalk some ex-girlfriend from high school, well okay, there's that.

1:10:48 But we really don't need all this stuff, all these trinkets. Have we learned nothing from the Native American Indians? It never turned... well, we might get a casino out of the deal, but... I have a special PR mention. A lot of work was done by a longtime producer who... he's one of these guys who emails me about 10 times a day. You know, you got those guys, right? Yeah, we both have a couple of the same ones. Oh yeah. And it gets to a point where you don't answer most of them, but then once in a while I'm like, oh that was kind of cool. And then you say, hey thanks. Just so he'll know that he can keep emailing. It's my own little social network. PG Kelly. I'm sure he's emailed you from time to time.

1:11:31 He says congratulations on your 600th episode. I knew he was working on this, but I had no idea it went to this extent. This link I present to you is for the No Agenda show on archive.org. All of the episodes have been archived in their natural state. I have also made an animated GIF that rotates through the 600 episodes of artwork, which changes every six seconds. So he's got the show notes and all, well, after today, it'll be 600 episodes. on archive.org, which of course is the archive of the internet. Yeah, until they shut it down. Well, oh man, just be a little... I mean, well, the guy who runs that, he'll fight that. What's his name? He's a good guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. So we appreciate it. Brewster Kale. Brewster Kale.

1:12:22 Yeah, he was a fan. I know he said he is an interesting character Really appreciate that PG Kelly. That's that's cool and of course highly appreciate the support from our associate producers a second executive producing this Executive producers and associate executive producers as well as Everyone else will be mentioning in our thank-you segment, which is coming up later on We will have a six show 601 and it will happen on on Thursday And we'd appreciate support for that as well as we continue into our six is it six now is this our seventh year? This is our seven year. It's up there. It's up there. It's a vorac org Slash and a ways remember we need your help with propagating the formula as well our formula is this we go out and

1:13:16 We hit people in the mouth I found a new show on TV. Oh boy. That is the future of all news Let me see let me just look at your clips here, let me see if I can find out which one it's going to be this is science? No no. Abby Martin Chris Hedges? God let's hope not. Okay the clip is right this minute I want you to describe for me after you hear this clip what was going on. No meteorologist but this could potentially be the smallest rainstorm ever.

1:14:14 What no that's coming from a building yeah, or a fire hydrant or the line across right? Look like there's a building up above what you know what it could and then look around the camera pans around you see everybody else standing I get to say it now Yeah, you can say it anytime you want somebody urinating off the building No, that's not what this is the future news that this store. Okay, that would be news. So there's a YouTube clip of a pile of water. So like a little rainstorm that's about three feet by three feet in the middle of a street in Palermo, Italy and everyone's like, oh, this can happen. These guys, these

1:15:03 He's got, here's the news, here's the way the news is, it's like a set similar to TMZ only more compressed. They got the screens behind them, it looks like you're at a CBS headquarters. And there's, then each one of these people have a Apple laptop and they play a YouTube video that they find fascinating. Oh wait a minute, wait a minute. And they all talk about it. Is this a Ron Bloom production? They all sit around talking about it, trying to, well I don't know, what do you think? I don't know, what do you think? It's just like complete idiots, you know, millennials that don't know anything, they never did any research, they just play these videos and talk about them. Yes! That's news. Exactly. I'm all in.

1:15:43 Where can I sign up? The thing is that, here's the problem with the show. By the way, it's called Right This Minute and it's syndicated. The problem with the show is that these guys aren't interesting. If they were talking about it in some, or if they were comics even, I mean the Five tries to do this but they're not that funny. It's just, it's possible that this could work but it's not going to work with this crew. Well this format, it's a variation on a format that has been tried for many, many years and the whole idea is, and the local news stations try it, is we get these viral videos and I've seen the variation. It's the viral video show! It's the, even my brother-in-law who's the Italian actor.

1:16:24 He did a version of the show on Rai Uno or whatever on Saturday night. He might still do it. It's great. You get a bunch of viral videos, you show the videos. It's very funny and if you're a comedian you can make a joke about it, if you're interesting. So this is basically failing this one. Yeah, but that's it, but it's the future of news. Well, I think what you've glommed onto here, it's the future of news. That's the difference instead of it being a comedy thing where look at that look at the dog On the big news shows they bring in the Twitter feed they bring in right Oh, here's what they saying on Twitter about us, and then they show the Twitter people then there's always some you know

1:17:05 you know, Jack the Dog is the guy's name, these handles and they read these things on CNN, they do it on France Van Cat, they have a whole web section now where they just show clips again, you know, YouTube clips that are as news. I don't know, it's just the way it goes. If either of us believed in the medium and we had the time and we were hot looking babes, we could do this show with video. Yeah, probably. Yeah, it would be great. The problem is we're like, you know, dudes with headphones on. This is not a good look. Yeah, well I don't wear cans. Yeah, well true. Let me deconstruct a little thing for you here. This was kind of funny when this popped up. Anyone can do this at home if, and more and more of our producers seem to be catching on to the system. You'll see a news report

1:17:58 and it'll go something like this. Boston's big St. Patrick's Day parade suddenly finds itself without one of its major sponsors. The maker of Sam Adams beer withdrew sponsorship because they say organizers are excluding gay groups from taking part in the parade. The iconic Boston Beer Company says it's disappointed parade organizers could not reach an agreement that would have allowed gay veterans to march on Sunday. At least one bar had threatened to stop serving Sam Adams if they continued to sponsor the parade. No comment yet from parade organizers. Alright, so this is the news. You can find this everywhere. If you just Google it, Sam Adams pulls out. No gays, no Sam Adams. We're the gays. We love the gays. This is of course

1:18:43 There's another non-profit NGO behind all of this. Yeah, and it's very easy. You just have to figure it out Here's another little news snippet which takes us a little bit deeper into who's behind this beer ban Breaking news in South Boston, by the way, breaking news in South Boston, Patrick's Day Parade organizers for the parade have rejected a second application to march from a gay advocacy group parade organizers say they were misled by the group mass equality the organizers say the gay rights group had applied to march on behalf of twenty veterans but the organizers say they could not find evidence that the group lgbt veterans of equality organizers was a recognized veterans group

1:19:25 So here's what MassEquality did. MassEquality.org, whose sole mission is to pressure people with LGBTQQIAAP, although they're still in the old school, they're still LGBT, which, oh no, they actually have the Q there. They make up, I guess they make up this group of veterans who are LGBTQ, which cannot be confirmed that they are an approved veterans organization, and they want them basically to march in rainbow flags and rainbow colors instead of veteran uniforms. And the parade guy said, no, you know, are you a real organization? Could you please show us that?

1:20:09 But what happens is then these guys, MassEquality.org, who have two non-profits, the Mass Equality Education Fund, which is a 501c3 organization, that's your traditional non-profit NGO, but then they also have the Mass Equality Political Action Committee, which is a 501c4 corporation, which is a lobbying group. And I have to, I really must say, my gay brothers and sisters, you should question these groups and what they are doing in your name. In our name, let me, as a heteroflexible. They are misusing, they are abusing your sexuality to lobby in Washington. And it's not just for rights, okay?

1:21:05 They're a pack. So they try to influence elections. There's a lot of stuff going on here. But the way it's portrayed on the news, oh, Sam Adams. Oh, I know them. I've heard of them. That's a beer. What? Oh, something's wrong. I'm surprised they didn't get Putin in on this one. They wanted to have pictures of Putin with rainbow flags. You're right. That would have been the trifecta, wouldn't it? It would have been great. So Sam Adams just basically got caught with their pants down as it were and they're just acting stupid. Well by us, no one else has called this, only we called. Of course not, that's never gonna happen. I'm sure like me, John, you've been just enjoying the non-stop coverage by just a bevy of experts on aviation across the news spectrum. Yeah, I'm trying to look here if I have a clip. I was able to find something

1:22:03 Besides the the Tourette's guy which I'm not going to play but I tweeted that I thought that was great. Yeah I'm not gonna play. I just you shouldn't even have looked at it. I don't have any I have something here I'd like to point out I do have questions for you though, by the way. Okay, I'll point something out, take some questions. I have a statement and then a Q&A. Okay, you make your statement and I have questions. Okay, the statement is I'd like to point out that everything they're talking about now such as the overage on lithium batteries, the whole idea that whatever was in the plane or passengers or cargo was more important, that this thing flew on and landed somewhere, this is being hidden, all of this was discussed on this show

1:22:49 A week ago. A week ago. Yeah, long before we had all this new information. And people have been sitting through hours of commercials with... I mean, Richard Quest, the closest he's got to the cockpit is first class. But this is CNN's top guy. And then they bring in all these pilots and everyone's got an opinion. Okay, I have two clips. From a new someone who I've not seen on the scene before but oh my god I want her to be on all the time now the best news model ever on CNN Eevee Pompouras have you ever seen this woman? No, how do you spell her last name? I'll take a look at her. Okay P-O-U-M

1:23:42 Wait, wait, wait, I've got to close a couple things. Close the porn site now. P-O-U-M P-O-U-M P-O-U-R-A-S She needs to change her name. No. Now she is, according to her bio, she is a former Secret Service agent who protected presidents such as the current one, the first lady, the Bush, Clinton. As she's a interrogation specialist and she's smoking hot but when she talks

1:24:23 It's frightening. I actually stepped back a step from the computer screen when I saw her talk. Like, oh man. She's got a very interesting sneer-like smile. That would be what I'm talking about. Now, for some reason... She's like she should be like, you know, she's just not... she doesn't like men or women kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. She has disdain. She gets up and eats penis for breakfast. That's kind of what she looks like. Well, isn't this a Greek name? I think so, yes. I was in Athens with some people once and one of the things we noticed is that all the women, great-looking Greek women, they all look disdainful. I pointed this out to a friend. I said, do you notice this too? He says, I'd not to mention it. That is a very... disdainful is the description. Yeah. Okay, so they have this panel and by this point,

1:25:16 or at this point it's Don Lemon is anchoring the thing because you know Don Lemon is such a whore he'll go on it just as long as it can be Don Lemon time. Don Lemon doesn't know anything about aviation but okay so he is and he's calling shots like hey can we have someone in DC make make up a graphic on that this is what he's doing on the air it's hilarious because Don is running the show in the in the in the land of the blind one eye is king And he's got people on who I've never seen before because they're running out of ideas. They have no other events, although gee, I don't know, Turkey's being rubbilized, there's tons of stuff happening, but no, they've got to continue on this. It's ratings. This is Jeff Zucker. It's a ratings bonanza. He knows it and he's right to do it, but they're running out of ideas. They bring on Evie.

1:26:01 And the only thing she knows about apparently is interrogating people. Now as you pointed out, yeah, yes, whatever you say mistress, yes I did it, I'm guilty. And here she is with her expert advice on the pilots I believe. I do want to point something out with what you said with the game changer, with not trusting your pilots, not trusting people. It's a game changer, John. You can't trust your pilots, just so you know. But next time you get on board of a plane, look that guy in the eye and say, I don't trust you. I have to say this, I was a criminal investigator and I did polygraphs, I did interrogations on people and the one thing I learned is that anybody is capable of anything at any given moment in time should certain things play out.

1:26:43 I don't trust anybody, pilot or not. And maybe I'm cynical due to the job that I had, but I think that is irrelevant because it's the human component, the being inside. That's what matters. You can be a pilot, you can be a cop, you can be whatever, a doctor. The title has nothing to do with it. All right. I just want to reiterate, this woman was Secret Service, protected presidents and first ladies. And she is essentially saying the MKUltra program is real and we can switch it on at any time on anybody. Second clip. That's kind of what she said. Uh-huh. To me it seems very clear. I love by the way how she promotes herself in every other sentence. The job I had, the experience I had. Yeah, I find that disturbing. She is disturbing. To me it seems very clear. It just again I don't know if it's that investigative thing or that component of my... Oh god. This is where the hotness factor just doesn't, it doesn't compensate. It's like, hey baby, I'll tell you what, can you shut your trap?

1:27:43 To me it seems very clear, again I don't know if it's that investigative thing or that component of my background but with all these red flags, I mean from the beginning it just seemed very nefarious and the way it's kind of laid out, it just seems extremely calculated. There's some involvement there as far as people being put out or passed out or the pressure and all that. I'm not, I can't really say on that aspect or not but I do feel that there is significant calculation here that this was deliberate, that it was very likely these pilots considering some of the things that are coming out especially with the one pilot having certain capabilities having that the simulation system. She's an idiot this woman. That's odd behavior. It's odd behavior. That's a red flag. This is, if you were watching this you were either A

1:28:34 Me be a moron. You can't watch this people. This is not okay. This is completely Blathering she didn't say anything and that and it's hours of this stuff. It's just go and I turn around I look at CNN. They're still doing it because they haven't I said this thing didn't crash. There's no evidence of it. I Here's and I'm just going to well we'll do that was the presentation part. Let's go on to Q&A. Does anyone have any I asked before we started if audience members could write down their questions on a piece of paper and okay the first question I have here is from John C. Dvorak. Could you please stand up identify yourself and the new organization you're from? John C. Dvorak, No Agenda Show producer and co-host. Yes, what's your question sir?

1:29:25 Now we're under the impression that there was a number of beacons that were on the plane that kept transmitting to some satellite as part of a service that the airlines didn't actually subscribe to but the equipment's there anyway. So all along they were getting the satellite that was getting the pings. And so the satellite knew where the plane was every hour it reported in even though they didn't turn on any of the features that would... I'm sorry sir, do you have a question? We have a lot of people who want to ask questions. But okay, why once they knew that this was going on, which they must have known from the get-go, didn't they just track the plane from using that technology rather than making all these guesses and looking in the water when the plane was clearly in the air? Security! Security! Can we have this man's name? The plane was clearly in the air! This man is being disruptive. Please remove this man. He cannot ask good questions. Putin!

1:30:22 Yes. So there are two, let me just explain, I'll explain briefly because what you're seeing right now on television is something is being queued up In some other arena, this is all distraction. It's being done purposely. This is why it's on your screen all the time. Can I mention something here which is disturbing? This does fall right dead smack in the six-week cycle thing, which makes no sense to me. It does because to me, something's going to be lit off any minute. Okay, go on with your finish finish. Right, so this is all distraction.

1:31:02 There are a number of types of transponders, communications, etc. But we have the transponder. Oh, by the way, this is the thing that really makes me angry. Every single news, when they talk about the transponder, like, well, if, which is, it's basically, it's a device that sends a signal out with the identification of the aircraft, the aircraft's call, registration number, it sends out altitude, And it doesn't even ident all the time, but and it has a number and and it is used to track individual aircraft so Typically if you're flying you're flying around an airport certainly in Europe. You'll be squawking as it's called There's four digits you can set the pilot can set 7,000 that and then so when someone is looking at the radar they can then see this blip and say oh That's some guy piddling around

1:31:56 When the air traffic controller is interested in you, or if you're transiting through an area where they will be interested in you, they're going to give you a unique number. And they'll write that down. Okay, we're going to say, make this guy squawk 7177. And we'll write that down. This is his aircraft. And we'll keep track of him. We can hand that off if we want to. Now there are a couple of numbers in there. that are used, that the pilot can set if there's an emergency. And every single piece that I've seen, so here they are, it's the numbers are 7500, 7600, and 7700. Can you guess what these codes would be for, John?

1:32:48 I don't know, something about nothing good's happening. Exactly. So 7500, if I change my number from the 7000 to 7500, that means I'm hijacked. If I change it to 7600, that means my radio has failed, I have a communications failure. And if I have an emergency, it's 7700. And this is like, this is one of the first things you learn when you become a pilot. For some reason, everyone thinks it's cool, all these news models. Like, if there's a problem, we can change this code. I'm not going to show the code to you because, you know, hijackers might not be able to Google what the code is.

1:33:25 It's really stupid. Anyway, so that's one part of it. But radar does not need you to be pinging back. Radar can just track you. And as we discussed on this show, US military tracks everything above the surface if they want, on the surface, and below the surface. I've seen some of these systems when I was on a Dutch frigate. It's amazing what you look at. I see a Cessna flying in the south of France, then I'm here sitting in the north of the Netherlands. They know where the satellites are. Every single aircraft, everything can be tracked. If this aircraft was flying, it was tracked.

1:34:07 And not just American military has this capability. If you're a submarine, they can track it. Once they know you're there, they can track it. So all of this is a lie. Everything you're seeing here is not true. The only thing we don't know is what really happened. But that nobody knows where it flew, how long it flew, and when it literally was no longer flying, and where it is on the ground. There is knowledge of this. Now, why is this not being told? I have to say the 20 engineers and maybe... Conspiracy nut! Yeah, I'm a conspiracy nut. The 20 engineers and maybe what they had in the cargo, that overage which was checked off as extra excessive lithium batteries, maybe from a company that makes rocket guidance systems. It could be, could have something to do with that. I don't know.

1:34:54 Gold bullion? Nah, I don't think so. A thousand pounds of gold is not... the plane is worth more than that, I think. Yeah, it is, but you can sell the plane and the gold. No, you can't sell the gold. It's $20 million worth of gold. Yeah, and the plane is $150-$170 million. It's not worth it. It's worth it in parts. It was whatever. You can't use you can't. This is not a chop shop. Hey man, I need it. You got a right hand engine for a triple seven man. Hey, hold on a second. Let me check the chop shop. I just need a fan blade man. That's all. No,

1:35:35 Now, every nut and bolt is tracked, has a lifetime. Now, this plane will be found eventually. There may be bodies on board or they'll be eaten up by whatever eats them up. These people are dead. Believe me, the people are dead. The crew was in on it and it was something that was in the cargo. Maybe those guys, the 20, had to be taken care of as well. I don't know. But stop watching it. If it comes on TV, unless it's that EV chick, because it's just freaky to look at her mouth when she's talking. Freaky. Disdainful. Turn it off because they're distracting you. And now let's go to our six-week cycle which was yesterday I guess was the... Essentially yesterday. I believe, and I want to review this with people

1:34:54 Gold bullion? Nah, I don't think so. A thousand pounds of gold is not... the plane is worth more than that, I think. Yeah, it is, but you can sell the plane and the gold. No, you can't sell the gold. It's $20 million worth of gold. Yeah, and the plane is $150-$170 million. It's not worth it. It's worth it in parts. It was whatever. You can't use you can't. This is not a chop shop. Hey man, I need it. You got a right hand engine for a triple seven man. Hey, hold on a second. Let me check the chop shop. I just need a fan blade man. That's all. No,

1:35:35 Now, every nut and bolt is tracked, has a lifetime. Now, this plane will be found eventually. There may be bodies on board or they'll be eaten up by whatever eats them up. These people are dead. Believe me, the people are dead. The crew was in on it and it was something that was in the cargo. Maybe those guys, the 20, had to be taken care of as well. I don't know. But stop watching it. If it comes on TV, unless it's that EV chick, because it's just freaky to look at her mouth when she's talking. Freaky. Disdainful. Turn it off because they're distracting you. And now let's go to our six-week cycle which was yesterday I guess was the... Essentially yesterday. I believe, and I want to review this with people

1:36:26 how this came to be. Because I can see people are confused about the six-week cycle. Now it's become a meme where every six weeks if someone has a shart then all of a sudden it's, oh, six-week cycle! No. I get a kick out of that by the way. I do too. But that's not how it works. A taxi wreck in New York, six-week cycle. Yeah, you could say two people killed south by south way, it's six-week cycle. No. The six-week cycle is specifically from the FBI, the FBI who have to show that they are thwarting terrorism or some kind of incredible danger to the United States public, not the world, United States public, and they do it in... they're involved, they always have a patsy, a guy who they've usually honey-potted into doing it or mind-controlled. He

1:37:21 He of course always has a middle name, so we have three names. And usually it involves a plastic play school cell phone that the guy keys in a code thinking he's going to blow up a truck of sand. And it's to keep the money flowing into the FBI. Most other things do not adhere. Just don't. That is the six-week cycle. Now... Yeah, that's it. That's exactly what it is. It's always some phony baloney thing that takes place and approximately every six weeks because it takes that long to plan and execute these things. And it also takes six weeks to forget what happened the last time. Exactly. And it's about the... because I think it's been determined the American public can't remember anything past two or three weeks. I don't remember what you said five minutes ago.

1:38:08 Well, there's further reasons for that. Whatever the case, this is a... so right now something should be happening, but this thing is become... I'm wondering if you were executing something like this, if you'd say, what are we going to do about this Malaysian air thing because it's taken up all the mind space. I have a question. Everybody's talking about this. What could we possibly do to get their attention back to our budget? Well, we could fire up HAARP and get a storm going, a super storm. Yeah, that would be one thing. Let me ask you a question. Why... It'd be a terrorist attack. We're way overdue. Can we have that meeting in a moment? I know that we're the policemen of the world, but why is it when a Malaysian flight

1:38:56 going to China is missing. Why do US naval ships have to be involved in the search? What are we, like the do-gooders of the world? Why do we have to do that? That's the thing that I'm suspicious about. Everyone, oh, of course, of course we're in on, of course the US Navy's gonna go, why? We're the good guys. Is that it, man? You know what that costs? We're the good guys, we're there, we're there, we're there to help. Where do we send the bill? We are there to help. I want to say we have to bill people for the goodwill. We'll invade your country later. You said they get out of a hit minute later and you guys have to agree to it. Hey, you remember when you remember when we helped you find that jet? Yeah. So it could be it could be the free scale semiconductor guys and whatever tech they had on board. You know, I doubt it. I doubt it too. But

1:39:54 It's kind of like it's not yeah, I was thinking this was driving around saying well Maybe the free scale guys they had to kidnap them because they have a new super microchip that they invented there for Motorola They just buy a license that's the joke about half of these stories that go like that yeah, yeah, yeah, you buy a license Yeah, okay, you're done with this topic. Oh Yeah, that's the only question I have is about why didn't track the thing better So I thought the funniest thing that happened this week They did the most amusing thing that happened this week was the guy this guy from the Guardian named Luke Harding and there's a clip there I got two clips Luke Harding and Snowden is the one that is not the guy from

1:40:42 No, no, no, he's not from the Guardian. He's from... Yeah, no, no. He's from... Ah! What's the name of that outfit? No, no. Isn't he from Change.org or WeBeChange? No, no, no, this guy. He's a British guy. He's from the Guardian. He's a reporter. Okay. And what they... and I think it's either he's either MI6, which I think the Guardian's got a lot of those guys. Well, Guardian, yeah, Guardian. There is a scripted interview with him, and I say it was scripted because of the way the questions were so quickly answered as though they were anticipated. on the NewsHour with Jeffrey. And the guy, I just think, nobody's pointed this out, this guy wrote the book that Glenn Greenwald was supposed to write. He put his name on it and he takes all the credit now and Greenwald is out in the cold. Jeffrey Brown has our conversation.

1:41:28 It began with an email, I am a senior member of the intelligence community. The beginning of revelations leaked by Edward Snowden of the vast surveillance and collection of data by the National Security Agency and the beginning of a new book titled The Snowden Files, the inside story of the world's most wanted man. Author Luke Harding is a correspondent for the British newspaper The Guardian which broke the initial Snowden story and welcome to you. Hello. I am a senior member of the intelligence community. That's what Snowden wrote to Glenn Greenwald, then a columnist for The Guardian. But in fact, he wasn't a senior anything, really. What's the impression you drew of the young Snowden? Well, he was a junior member of the intelligence community.

1:42:10 someone who had incredible access to top-secret information and who was deeply unhappy about what he saw and thought he would lift the lid on unconstitutional mass surveillance. You find insight into the mind of especially the younger Snowden through anonymous postings he made on a tech website and he used this name the true hoo-ha. Yeah, at age 18 he made his first posting. It's a slightly weird name but these postings give us some insight into how he was as a young man. Someone not of the left but of the right, very patriotic, pretty obnoxious in places, but also deeply talented with computers. You say of the right, I mean really his strongest political leaning seems to be libertarian. He supported Ron Paul. Yeah, he's very conservative, he's from a patriotic family. He even donated to Ron Paul. He's related to Ron Paul?

1:43:08 That's what he says. Now this guy, this character is Luke Harding, who Greenwald must be beside himself that he's got this book out. Do you think that this is retaliation for Greenwald basically saying to the Guardian, F you? Thanks for all the candy. I think he's MI6 because he used to be the foreign correspondent for the Guardian in Russia. Then apparently the Russians figured he was a spy. They kicked him out and he's been refused re-entry since 2011. Does that tell you something? The milkshakes don't bring him to the yard.

1:43:47 And so we've got this guy, it's interesting, in 2007, this is in the wiki page, The Guardian apologized for material in an article by Harding that was substantially similar to another article published earlier that year in the Exile. So he got nailed for plagiarism. I don't even think he wrote this. I mean, I'm sure he had a hand in the book, but this is one of those books that looks like the books that Woodward keeps crank cranking out. It's from the Pundit program. Yeah. Yeah, they write the book for you. Some agency writes a book for you and then you fiddle with it and then you crank it and you have this big book that comes out of the blue and this is definitely a targeted...

1:44:28 targeting Greenwald, it's targeting Snowden with the information we had no idea about any of this stuff. There's a libertarian and he's friends with related to Ron Paul and all this stuff. This is one of those very carefully crafted pieces of propaganda that will have all kinds of little pointers in there that just kind of push you over here like this so you think like that. How about this for a theory? Snowden is CIA and his job is to embarrass out and knock down the budget of the NSA. Greg Greenwald, he's part of it, but he is part of the Five Eyes, well really the GCHQ and CIA collaboration there. No, GCHQ and NSA. I'm sorry. Okay.

1:45:18 Well, then it makes even more sense. So this is GCHQ pushing back and screwing him. Like, oh really? Okay, well here's your book. Oh, I'm sorry, we already wrote your book. Now, I have to say, it can be the greatest book in the world. I hadn't heard of it and they better do something about the PR, hire the Curry-DeVry Consulting Group or something because Greenwald's book is going to sell no matter what. No, that's true. Greenwald could write a piece of crap and it's gonna outsell this book because this guy, even though he's got good... and he's very not... he's not really a colorful person. Let's play part two and then you can hear a little bit of more information. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't see a part two. Parting two. Just... okay. I know, I usually do that. I don't have to tell you. He... his guiding principle was the Constitution, the American Constitution, which he kind of cherished. And he even volunteered... Hold on a second.

1:46:12 I just have to, I'll start the clip over, but really who accepts, what kind of Brit, you know, his guiding, for every American the guiding principle is the US Constitution. Come on, this is a Brit talking, what a dick. To fight in Iraq and try to join the US military which was a kind of disastrous episode that went wrong. And even at one point uh... blasts leakers of information it's deeply ironic in two thousand nine when he's working as a junior analyst for the CIA in switzerland he uh... absolutely blast the new york times for publishing an article on operations in iran uh... denounces them, denounces wiki leaks but of course he changes like most young people he kind of goes on a journey and the more he saw the more disillusioned he became well so and and that's this part of the story that you tell in the book

1:46:58 Is there a key moment where he changes or was it over time? I think it was over a period of years but there were two things which upset him. Firstly, he saw more stuff. He was a systems administrator so he could roam around the kind of secret places of the NSA. He saw more documents which troubled him. And so he became disillusioned with Obama. He thought that Obama, even though he didn't vote for him, would roll back some of these programs. And when Obama didn't, he decided that he would act and do this extraordinary leak. And what's your sense of Snowden, I guess his own level of certainty about what he was doing and what he was seeing and what he should do about it?

1:47:40 He has this enormous sense of inner calm. Ewan McCaskill, Glenn Greenwald, my Guardian colleagues who met him in Hong Kong said he'd sort of reached this place of kind of inner tranquility if you like where he decided he was going to do this leak even though he knew full well that it would have enormous consequences for him and that his life would never be the same again. he felt kind of morally compelled to act. And of course, it was a big price. He's now in exile with no prospect of going back to the US. Threat. He's a very wanted man. That first meeting that you describe here, you know, a lot of this is in the IT world, it's the tech world, but that first meeting has a lot of cloak and dagger of old-fashioned spy world. It's like something out of a John le Carré novel, sort of crossed with a magical mystery. Whose novel is that, John?

1:48:27 John le Carre the guy who did all these big bastards a lot of spy Stories tons of me died recently feature. He sends these instructions saying Meet me at a hotel in Hong Kong next to a plastic alligator and I'll be the guy that can a scrambled Rubik's Cube and of course Glenn and Laura Poitras the US filmmaker who met him were expecting to I got it I got this is good you hear I says Glenn you hear that I No I didn't, go back let me hear that again. But of course, Glenn! He's next to the plastic alligator, Glenn! It wasn't even what you said it was, I can't even quite do it but it's Glenn! Glenn! Glenn!

1:49:18 It's a very British thing. and It's not him. We've been impossible. It's impossible. It can't be him and of course over a period of Several days they they debrief him they get a story and he talks them through the documents and they discover that he is indeed real and then so much has come out now and we on this program and you we've all looked at this now so much about the various surveillance programs where are we in this story is there more to come what do you think well there's more to come but it'd been fantastic number of revelations over the last nine months we know so much more than we did

1:50:20 Hey, great clip John. It's not really clip of the day because it doesn't have like a zinger. No, no, it's not a great clip either. No, it is. I really like that but it also made me think about something. If you went, you can go to any technology conference, anywhere you want and you lined up, let's just do a lineup of 10 guys and we say one of these guys is a systems administrator. This is the way he speaks, the way he looks. I do not know a single sysadmin who looks like Snowden. Not a single one. I'm trying to think. He's boring, he's straight-laced, he's, you know, button-collar.

1:51:10 He talked very articulate. There's not a single... Come on man, sysadmins, they talk... You know, we got... They got swazzle. They got swagger. They got... The way they got... They usually wear beards or they're fat or they're really skinny. They always... They're eccentric. Well, I think that the beard and the fat, I think that is a... That's not... Yes. There's a lot of that, but it's not the only kind of sysadmin. Because you also have BGP guys who do network admins, they're a little bit different. But this was a Microsoft SharePoint administrator. I don't, you know, it doesn't feel right to me. Maybe that is exactly what the Microsoft SharePoint admins look like. I could be wrong.

1:52:00 Well, I could take, I could accept it. I'm not quite as skeptical as you are on that particular thing about Snowden. But this thing here, this planted book and the story, there's probably information in the book that we need to know. I'm going to read it. I'm sure there's a bunch of code in there. The guy threatened of course if these if this guy's like it was the name of the book part of the community He's threatening that he's gonna be stuck there for the rest of his life And what was a couple other things in there was a very interesting little interview because this guy was I never heard of this guy And I didn't know about this book just like you I was I kind of stunned by it I'm thinking well there goes you know at least 10,000 a grand

1:52:43 Glenn Greenwald's, uh, Glenn Greenwald's, uh... Well, I think what's better is, uh... Money. The only... No, I think the thing... Oh, he'll lose sales. Not a lot, but you know, it's... No, the thing that gets... If you want to hurt Glenn Greenwald, tell him he's a dick. You know? Or tell him he's wrong. This is to get under his skin. You know what I mean? This is to get under his skin. I'm sure he's irked about this book. The Snowden files, this is the name of the book? Yeah. They got a Kindle edition. Okay. Bam! Gonna order that right now. Buy now, one click. Buy now, one click. I'm gonna buy with one click. With one click. Hold on. Oh boy. Oh man, I love when I get a spinning wheel of death.

1:53:30 No, okay, buy now one click, okay. Let's oh, let's look at the yeah, by the way I have clicked the buy now one click and it always asks me for my password. It's not one click I've never gotten one click. No, I crap I got thank I got thanks Adam, but then I have to click again to continue shopping Yeah, that's two that's two clicks. I agree jumped right out of there. I agree um let's look at the The reviews, let's see if the spooks are in there reviewing it. That's always a good thing to do. Oh yeah, this is a good place to spot them. Yeah, let's see. First you gotta find the guy who says it sucks and you know he's okay. Do they have customer reviews? Oh, reads like a Le Carre novel. Really? That's... Let's be the same publisher. Well that's the New York Times reviewer. But how about... okay, what do we have? I don't see anything. Stimulating gripping page turner.

1:54:29 American trader or international hero? You expect me to read this? Oh, here's Glenn Greenwald's comment. What did Glenn Greenwald say? A book on what is one of the most pivotal news events of recent memory should have been written by someone who can write a book. Hey Glenn, your alias WD Rupi is a little obvious. Tense shift, randomly arranged and sometimes meaningless observations, and an apparently general careless attitude on the part of the author. All combined to turn what should be an engrossing account into a tedious chore of dubious reward for the reader. This book practically screams hurried into print. Glenn, you really... Wait, I got a quote from the Financial Times that interviewed Glenn about this. It's probably the same thing.

1:55:17 It's better. It's a bullshit book. They're purporting to tell the inside story of Edward Snowden but it's written by someone who has never met or even spoken to Edward Snowden. Luke came here and talked to me for about a half a day without my realizing he was trying to get me to write his book for him. I cut the interview off when I realized what he was up to. Anyway, listen to the last line on this one. This could have been a great story. Heck, it is a great story. I recommend you read it from someone else. That's what I plan to do. It's so funny. You know, Greenwald has a history of doing that, of posting comments under pseudonyms.

1:55:58 We talked about that haven't we? Yeah, we talked about it. There's a lot of people like that. Well, I actually do that but so rarely. I could give you my main pseudonym if anybody ever sees this is me is Mark Pugner. Hey, why that name? You know, the first time I got the Mark Pugner name into the public domain was in the 70s actually when I wrote a letter to Playboy magazine. Uh oh. And I had this, I can't remember what it was about, it was like a two paragraph thing bitching about something. And I signed it Mark Pugner, Berkeley, California. And the name just kind of came to me, it was no actual rationale, but I've kept using Mark Pugner over the years. You won't find, you can try googling Mark Pugner, you're not going to find anything. It just shows up in comments and once in a while there'll be a Mark Pugner.

1:56:55 It's usually something to benefit me. You know, usually, you know, you should read Dvorak instead. Well, yeah, Mark Pugner. There's no other reason to do that than to benefit yourself. Yeah, that's the reason you do it. Don't do that stuff out of spite. Well, I've done maybe. Usually I use my own name. But, you know, there's Mark Pugner's a good one. I also have a female. that I use occasionally, but I'm still developing her as a character. Okay. Well, that is the first step in the process, John. And whenever you're ready to talk about it, then you can just let us know. We'll be happy to help you out. I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

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2:14:12 It's pronounced kite for some reason no it's just pronounced like that's why I said height kite yeah Yeah, so I don't know how else you'd pronounce it. You've made a grave error. I did yeah You should here's a tip everybody if you use a pseudonym online. Are you getting every crappy little mention? I ever wrote well. I like this one that you did This has been discussed in great detail already on the No Agenda Show. Look us up using Google! Now where do you think... That's my main one. And that was on The Intercept. Good work, Mark Pugner. Everyone should be doing this, by the way. I like that, that you do that. That is leading by example and people should be doing this all the time. I give Mark Pugner to the public to use freely.

2:15:00 Great idea from now on public domain public domain mark pugner Exactly just use mark pugner until mark pugner becomes a meme the crazy mark pugner. There is no mark pugner That's the point it'll be everybody so you and always that read that one that last one again because that's the model But why is Mark Pugner commenting on the Sex and the City movie? I mean, this really Mark Pugner guy is really... I think that was the week that you had to go see this stupid movie. And Mark Pugner hates Frank Sinatra. No. Anyway, read the last one again. Which last one? The one that plugs the show. Oh, hold on a second. That's the model for everyone. Yeah, here it is. And I will do the tone of voice.

2:15:47 This has been discussed in great detail already on the No Agenda Show. Look it up using Google. You can, of course, do the alternative. Look it up using Bing. In fact, I think that should be our code. No, that's what I'm saying. That should be our code. Bing it. Bing it, bitch. I am so proud of you. You actually do. That's one of the... We're not actually friends or anything, but I do love you for stuff like that. Public domain my friend you can use it to mark pugner if it's in LinkedIn somebody else has already stolen it I didn't look at the link so I'm sure there's other mark pugners in the world and oh It's not a name that exists of course it is oh Well, let's take a look at this then hold on a second who is this? Mark pugner on LinkedIn Okay, it's not why is it not actually loading?

2:16:50 Alright, I don't know. This is not a link that's useful. Thanks, Stack. The link is no good. Do you see Mark Pugner on LinkedIn? Yeah, I see the list. I don't see any. I'm going there now. So while you're going there now... Mark Pugner is an operating engineer at the Danbury Hospital in Connecticut. I'm sure that's a real guy. And that's sad because he's about to be... He's gonna be outed as a Frank Sinatra hater. Yeah. And sex in the city hater. But that's the model and I think the pay off is either look it up on Google or Bing it, bitch. I think either one will suffice. I recommend using that name or any other pseudonym for a lot of these snide comments that people like to make. And just hit and run. It's a hit and run deal. You go in, you make the comment, you never go back. That's the only way it works. It's a very old-fashioned way that used to be fought in the 1400s, 1500s. They're all hit and run. You hit, run.

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2:18:47 Oh, that's cool. So if you do 1515 for every show for the next 66 episodes, which seems doable by the way. Yeah, it's not much. That's a night. You should make that a donation level, John. Okay, I'll work on that. That's a real layaway plan. And that is now we'll have to throw in the penny because it's 99999. It was, hey, please make a dope ass challenge coin for the end of the world. And a t-shirt! Yes, I'm drunk, it's Friday! Okay. I love those donations. Yeah, I'm drunk. Here's $15. Anything else we have here? No, I think that's it. Thank you very much for being with us for all this time.

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2:20:21 Bashir Bashir Bashir no I guess she wants to be well that'll be pretty unique as is so here's my sword hello hold on stuck how many how many hundred I got it I got it Bashir Osman step forward Tina gear step forward and Christopher Wallace step forward Step forward, all of you are about to be inducted into the round table of the No Agenda Knights and Dames and I hereby pronounce thee Sir Bashir, Jane Keena and Sir Leonard Smalls all knights of the No Agenda Round Table. Thank you very much for your support of the program. For you I've got Bad Science, Perky Breast, Cuban Cigar, Signal Malt Scotch, Hook, Risen Blow, Red Poison, Chardonnay, Opium and Warm Orange Juice, Hot Blues, Pins, Rubinous and Armutinamide.

2:21:14 And please go to noagendination.com slash rings to receive your rightfully deserved ring. If you want to know what that looks like, I think it is on noagendination.com. Miss Mickey tweeted her picture of the ring in the ceiling wax as a celebratory note for our show today. Oh, I had a note here. What is this? Okay, I think we're all good. I think we've got it. Oh, I did a little research, John, on the... because it was very annoying to me. What was annoying? Well, just about everything. This is hearkening back to the band Bossy.

2:21:52 Oh, we got a lot of notes on that. Yeah, I have two. Shall I read these two quick ones? Yeah, read that one. Did you get the one from... I've got a bunch of them too. I think you got all the same ones. So I have... I hashtagged the subject so John probably won't see this. This is the new way to make sure that you're kept off the email. But I wanted to share with you that I hit my wife in the mouth. Not literally, obviously. It started bad with you starting off the show with something about 10 sex tips. By the way, I... All right, this is actually a good note. She asked what the hell? And by the way, we're talking about sex tips. Oh. We're talking about the tip, nuclear, nuclear, warhead tip. What I was doing, okay, I'll tell you exactly what I was doing.

2:22:32 The entire internet, all of these BuzzFeed and all these sites are all using these crazy crappy headlines which are meant to... it's clickbait. Here's an example. How to turn Thanksgiving leftovers into a Tesla. Here are six things they don't tell you in preschool. Why it's okay to say the N-word in 16 pie charts. How one African researcher is changing the way we think about bamboo bicycles. So that's why I use that because apparently a lot of people want to click on these articles. Oh, these are the fake articles that always go to some crazy...

2:23:12 Site that is not a site you've ever heard of and there's something stupid about somebody. No, no, that's incorrect These are well, these titles are made up. Of course. This is this is just go look at the verge BuzzFeed Headline writers all of this but this also they have little little kitties and all they're doing is they're surfing through reddit to find news articles and then you know, and then they get paid like minimum wage to post them and That's the internet. The internet is a disgusting place. It's gone downhill. It's gone downhill. Okay, so let me continue with this email. She asked, okay, my wife is my daughter's Girl Scout troop leader and when you guys got to hashtag band bossy she got pissed. Not at you, but at the Girl Scouts, an organization she puts a lot of time and effort into, an organization that she highly respects.

2:24:07 After the segment she was on Facebook messaging the other Girl Scout moms telling them how much bullshit Hashtag Bambasi is and that their troop will instead of banning the word bossy work to make their girls stronger leaders If that isn't value for value, I don't know what is thank you very much name withheld in this case by request then I have Brand new listener here as of the 13th. I've heard five shows Please excuse me bring it up. I heard on episode 599 or that you all felt you really you have really down You're really down on women lately, which must have been before I tuned in because I haven't felt that way at all I wanted to email you to tell you a few short things one loved your coverage of hashtag Bambossy I saw a commercial on lifetime and almost barfed seriously

2:24:52 Two, something to consider. And I can't believe I'm about to send this to two guys who didn't know what always was. Remember all the hullabaloo about birth control, well women visits, breast pumps, etc. that would be available for free under the Affordable Care Act? Well, around February 12th, all the mainstream media ran a story about how mammograms, free under the Affordable Care Act, were totally unnecessary. I was skeptical but hadn't been hit in the mouth yet so I just forgot about it. This is the wrong categorized email but I'll finish it anyway. Yesterday I heard another mainstream story about how pap smears, also free under Obamacare ACA, is a totally unnecessary test. At this point my BS meter went off again. I texted a nurse in my life to ask what the end game was. Her reply? Kill all the people who can't pay cash. Then you don't have to feed, house, or educate them and they can't breed. That's probably true.

2:25:42 I just thought that was a great letter. It is a good email. Here's what, part of the Ban Bossy, I went looking for the quote, 66% of the women, women are doing 66% of the work and only get paid 10%. That was the quote that Sheryl Sandberg and the whole Ban Bossy crew were using. Women do 66% of the work and only get 10% of the pay. This apparently was first used by Barbara Conable, president of the World Bank. In 1986 he said in a World Bank IMF meeting, women are half the world's population, yet they do two-thirds of the world's work, that would be 66%, earn one-tenth of the world's income,

2:26:34 and dot dot they are among the poorest of the world's poor. So that's where this apparently came from. If you go looking for this, 1986 by the way, and things might have been differently in 1986. How many years ago was that John? 1986? Well it'd be 20 plus, it'd be 28 years ago. 28 years ago. Things might have changed, I don't know. 28 years is a long time. Yeah. Human Rights Development, I'm human development. I'm sorry human development report another fine NGO in 1995 used this statement and they said and they they changed us a little bit by saying in the human development report 1995 nine of Developed developing countries. No. No. Oh man. I'm sorry. I'm I messed that one up here it is You're not helping

2:27:35 Here we go. 53% of the total, that's very hard, women in developing countries, women do 53% of the work. In developed countries that's 51% of women do the work. The hours that are worked 66% of men do paid work and 33% unpaid. This is the report that was trying to explain, I don't understand the numbers, how they got to this 98, 1986 number. But it's for women, it's the other way around. 66% of the hours women work are unpaid, 33% are paid. So the 66 is used a lot in these reports, but nowhere can you find

2:28:23 Any data? Apparently that work, which I think is always irksome to certain segment of the population, a lot of that work apparently is counted as child rearing is probably counted as work because it's unpaid, it's probably housekeeping is unpaid, paying bills unpaid, I mean all these kinds of homemaking things is unpaid and so now it's criticized for being unpaid. Are they, how do you pay it's like a partnership with a man and a woman when they're married and one will do this sort of thing unpaid guys will also do stuff unpaid like wash the cars unpaid when I wash the cars I'm taking take out the garbage take out the garbage I've not been paid for that most of this is just a bunch of taking normal social activities and turning it into work as the as you would with a slave

2:29:12 culture. Everything has to be counted as work. Everything is work. You get up, I put my socks on, that's unpaid work. If I was a nobleman, I would have a slave would put the socks on for me. This is horrible. This is the kind of thing that this is a Sheryl Sandberg. I'm disliking this woman as time goes by. I think Mark Pugner should call her out. Mark Pugner needs to, bitch, write a letter to the Times. Mark Pugner wants to know where the data is, the underlying data, that proves that women do 66% of the work and only get 10% of the pay. By the way, in my own informal, informal testing,

2:29:53 I would say that women do not do 66% of the work in bed. There you have it, that's unpaid. Unpaid? Well, not always. Oh, oh really? Really? You've been married what, twice? Three times? How many times have you been married, Myron? I've only been married twice. Okay. And then as a special 600 show I had a little thing and although I'm a little afraid to do stuff now because you say and then he wraps it up and put and turns it into flowers. It's like magic. I'm afraid to do anything now. You've you've you've. Whoa gunshy all of a sudden. I'm a little gunshy. Now we often get comments about our stance on man-made global warming. Oh yeah. And. Wait hold on if you're gonna go in that direction I got some clips. Oh good that'll be a good setup. First of all I'm listening to

2:30:51 First, there's a filibuster. Let's start with this. Climate change on democracy now with the filibuster. I want to ask you about the all-night filibuster staged by more than two dozen Senate Democrats Monday in order to urge congressional action on global warming. This is Senator Edward Markey of Massachusetts. The planet is running a fever. But there are no emergency rooms for planets. We have to engage in the preventative care so that we deploy the strategies that make it possible for our planet to avoid the worst, most catastrophic effects of

2:31:32 climate change. The worst, most catastrophic, horrific, just bad. Republicans dismissed the marathon session and called Democrats quote alarmists. This came as the US Department of Defense released a new report Monday about the threat climate change impacts pose to national security. Our guest is longtime consumer advocate Ralph Nader. Ralph, could you respond to this? Well, this is a welcome development. They went all night, led by Harry Reid and Senator Ed Markey in the U.S. Senate. Yes, welcome development. Yeah, yeah, welcome development. So meanwhile just play the first part of this clip. I want to play the rest of it some other Actually, let's play that let's play this whole clip. This is Hanson the father of modern global warming testifying before Congress about how bad the Keystone pipeline is I'm finally starting to get a grip handle on what the problem is with it The problem is they believe at least because there's other other

2:32:31 hearings and other things where they were going on and on about the Keystone pipeline, which has always been in the news. But the point I'm making here is that one thing or another about global warming and climate change is constantly in the news. You've heard a few times about it, haven't you? Yeah. Well, here's what my point is, and then you can go off on your thing. My point is that when you listen to that, we're just gonna skip the Hansen thing for now. But he's bitching about global warming. And so going from news story to news story, there's a new movie coming out with Ben Affleck and all these guys. Have you seen this? It's gonna be some series. No, no, no. What is it? Oh, I didn't get a clip, but I'll get one for the next show. It's a huge movie on climate change and how bad it is. No!

2:33:14 Oh, isn't this just Inconvenient Truth 2? Isn't that what it is? It's something that doesn't have that title but it might as well be. So meanwhile, so here I go, I'm listening to Abby Martin who's concerned and bitches and moans about climate change constantly and she's got Chris Hedges and he has the nerve to make this commentary. I'm sorry for some reason it's not go area on the horizon why do you think there's no sense of urgency on a large scale to address these troubling trends Well, because they're not reported. The commercial media is about... What? They're not reported? ...in circus. It's about spectacle. It's about celebrity gossip. It's about the Super Bowl. I mean, every week it's something new. And, you know, if we had a responsible media, especially a broadcast media, we would understand that climate change at this point is

2:34:13 an emergency. At this point, the effects of climate change are unstoppable. And if we don't radically reconfigure our relationship with the ecosystem very, very quickly, the human species itself is in jeopardy. What is the name of the actor you just mentioned who would be in this new movie? I think Affleck, either Affleck or his buddy. The other guy. Damon? Damon. Affleck, Damon... Let me just... I want to know what this is. Oh, uh... Schwarzenegger's in it. Uh, is this a Showtime movie? Is it? It might be. Let me see. Jessica Alba. Does that make sense? She... Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, Matt Damon, Jessica Alba.

2:35:01 Heat up trailer for Showtime's climate change series ah years of living dangerously. Oh, let's see what is this James Cameron? harnesses star power in eco conscious docu-series Mmm. Let's there's a video here. Yeah, let's which we can watch the trailer Let's fire this up of course. This is where oh this video is private. Oh mofo Somebody posted it wrong. Yeah, well I'll look for that later. Okay. We'll do it for Thursday, but okay so that we're just inundated with this crap and this guy has the nerve. Yeah. Chris Hedges has the nerve to say well nobody's covering it that's why and of course he also says it's unstoppable which means it's what is he a nihilist? That means that what point what difference does it make if nobody's if it's not stoppable? It's not stoppable so let's go on to something else.

2:35:56 I love it when you get angry somehow this angry. It's just like it's a very annoying I wish that they had the trailer for that thing. Why does it why can't we find the trailer for that? What did I call living years years of living? Dangerous. Before you go to, while you're digging that up, you might as well play this clip with Hanson talking to Congress about the Keystone Pipeline. It goes back to Democracy Now! where there's an interview with a guy from the Grand Canyon Foundation or something and there's a little tidbit in here that will just blow your mind. United States to approve this. If we don't approve it, a lot of that tar sands will never be developed. Yeah. It's, we,

2:36:39 The world is going to realize pretty soon that we've got to limit the amount of carbon we put in the atmosphere. And it's going to have to do that via a price on carbon, and that's going to cause the most carbon-intensive things to get left in the ground, and that includes car sands. While the fight over Keystone and the Alberta tar sands has galvanized the environmental movement, far less attention has been paid to a related story here in the West. The state of Utah has begun making preparations to extract tar sands and oil shale from vast swaths of public and private land.

2:37:15 According to one U.S. government report, the region could hold up to 3 trillion barrels of oil. That's more recoverable oil than has been used so far in human history. Critics say Utah is sitting on a tar sands... Hey, hold on a second. Hey, we're moving to Utah. Whatever happened to peak oil? There's more oil than ever used in all of human history? And the Mormons are sitting right on top of it. Yeah, those lucky Mormons. Hey, the Mormons, we need more donations. Wow. Is that a stunner? Well, it's more than that.

2:37:53 You know what it is? Yes. I hate it when you know it. There you go. Well deserved, well played, sir. Well played. Well played. Three, two, oh this is great. Okay, everybody. Although, Peacoil, they don't do that much anymore. They Peacoil. It's not really a thing anymore. No, Peacoil's done. Now this is definitely the nail in the coffin. I have the trailer here, years of living dangerously. I have not pre-screened this so anything could happen. Before you go there, I just want to make a little follow up on that last clip.

2:38:31 Meanwhile she's got this guy on there and she is grilling him exactly like a financial reporter interested in an investment would grill somebody. Oh because she wants to get in on it. What company should benefit the most? How can I get in on this bonanza? Should I become a Mormon? Should I be an LDSer? I gotta get in. How do I get in on this stuff? That is pretty funny. Here we go. Let's see if... A new Showtime series. Hold on. 99 out of 100? They just gained 2% overnight? Yeah, what happened there? Oh well, I wasn't looking.

2:39:16 So if you were sick and you got a hundred doctors and all of them said you had to have an operation Would you get another opinion? I'd go to yes, I'd go to that other guy and say fix me. These guys are no good That's James Cameron talking you are James Cameron really I think The world is changing faster and more dramatically than ever before. Not true. Global warming ended in 1998. I'll show you the data for it. There's so many political agendas, there's been so many exaggerations that it's brought a lot of confusion. I do know. Rising sea levels. There is no more fire season. We have wildfires all year round. What if this Schwarzenegger in a firefighter outfit walking through the woods with forest firefighters? The gall of that guy. Republicans have gotten in this spot of dispossessing the scientists. Everything coming out of pipes all over the country. That's a big deal. And what point does this become the fight? Fire from outside.

2:40:22 Everybody thinks that this is about melting glaciers and polar bears. I think it's a big mistake. This is 100% of people's story. Now it's dramatized, cool. So I've teamed up with the legendary Jerry Weintraub. Legendary! Hurricanes are twice as bad as they ever were and ice is melting where it's not supposed to melt. This is a lake? Yes. The world is changing and it's all because of global warming, I think. You see these stars like you've never seen them before They're all looking at you oh man, oh yeah, and they're been in the helicopter looking out over ice Oh the polar bear. Oh meeting the people Jessica Alba is hot though affected by this

2:41:13 These are the stories of people whose lives have been transformed by climate change. We used to have seeds, Inspector. Now we don't. Could Yemen run out of water? Yes, possibly. The first that people ran out of water just took everything away. Climate disruption is not a political issue. It's a moral issue. I don't know what it's about, sir. It doesn't matter. It's happening. This is the biggest story of our time and I'm gonna tell it is the time to tell it. Yep. Years of living dangerously. Douchenuckles on parade. So 2014 will be another year in the string of years beginning in their around 20 or 2003 or 4 where it was the last year we could do anything and have an impact. Again, our

2:42:05 Alright, I'm very glad you did that John and thank you for this starts in April this of the Showtime series that You could probably just hear by this the great and these are good movie people who are doing this. There's no slouches This is top-notch top of the bill and all of the and all these mean all these people getting paid and I wanted to do something about man-made global a man-made climate change and because of course climate change is all the time. I wanted to do it based upon the Federal Climate Change Expenditures Report to Congress, which funny enough didn't get much play in the press. This is by law, this has to be reported to Congress and it just came kind of dribbled up to the surface. Not a lot of people talk about it because you know, it's better to be speculating about the pilot of the Malaysian Airlines plane.

2:42:58 And I just want to give you the numbers of what, if you're in America, and I'm sure if you're anywhere else in the world, your government has similar reporting of what was actually spent on, well, I'll give you the, I'm not going to paraphrase, fiscal year 2014 report to Congress on federal climate change expenditures. John, you've been a CPA for many years. Expenditures means what you're paying out, right? What you're spending. The following is an accounting of federal funding for climate change programs and activities. Oh, activities! Both domestic and international. Included in the fiscal year 2014 president's budget. This report is provided in response to Title IV, Division E, Section 425 of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, which calls for, you know, reporting of this shit. Background and then I'll give you a little bit of the preamble. They have different

2:43:54 categories of spending much like your household budget. Through the US Global Change Research Program, USGCRP, the US scientists are conducting world-class research, world-class research, on climate and global change. Interesting, climate and global change. The USGCRP coordinates scientific research across 13 federal departments and agencies with the mission of building a knowledge base. I guess that's a... I have to stop you now. Why? It seems to me that with 99 out of 100 agreeing and the science is in, we shouldn't be spending a nickel on this. The science is in. Why are we spending more money on what's already been proven? I'm asking you. Why are we spending money on something that's already been proven and 99% of all scientists agree on? Because it's a gravy train? Oh!

2:44:56 And I have a whole bunch of different stuff to get to, but this report is very interesting because no one will read this, no one will tell you about it, you will not see these numbers on the news. Here's the report, so here are the categories. Climate change science, this is the category that encompasses the US global change research program. Clean energy technology, this expenditure category is is clean energy technology incorporates a variety of technology research, development and deployment activities, including voluntary partnership and grant programs. It's funny, it's not free, but it's voluntary. International assistance, another category. This category describes elements of a whole-of-government approach to mobilize a wide range of resources and make use of bilateral and multilateral assistance tools.

2:45:49 Wow, this is that's web 3.0 right there baby. We're using a whole of government approach to mobilize a wide range of resources to make use of bilateral and multilateral assistance tools. Wow, that is a gem. Isn't that good? The gall of someone to put that into a report. Then we have energy tax provisions. This category includes... You know, the bullshit never stops. No, it doesn't. And it's never going to. It's going to get better and better. Energy tax provision. This category includes tax incentives for investments in certain energy technologies and energy payments that can be used in lieu of certain tax credits. I think what this means is if you invent a windmill and it doesn't work, it costs more than it

2:46:44 than it produces, the government gives you money for that. Something like that. Does that sound about right? Yeah, I bet you that's exactly what it is. And then finally, climate change adaptation, preparedness and resilience. The PREPRA category. There are numerous efforts across the federal government for preparing and building resilience to the impacts of climate change on various critical sectors, institutions and agency mission responsibilities. This concept is also known as adaptation. Yeah, it's what human beings do. We've had to adapt throughout our the centuries, millennia. All right, let me give you the numbers real quick. So we've been to the categories and I want you to guess the number. Guess the number. And this is we're looking at the

2:47:39 I can get well I have the 2012 but I'm just gonna give you the the budget or what we spent in 2013. Okay. Okay and you guess the number. Yeah. How much did we spend on US Global Change Research Program? That's the USGCRP. That's probably a pretty big number. I'd say 40 million dollars. 40 million dollars? No. 2.4 billion dollars. What? Then we have clean energy technologies. Now this is for research into solar energy and windmills and oceans and algae. Research money. Grants and that kind of thing. How much do you think?

2:48:18 It's probably going to be quite a bit because we are, we throw away a lot of R&D. We did give Solyndra something like 500 million, so I'm going to say a billion. 5.7 billion. Okay. International assistance. Now this is what we just, of our tax money, our money, we're just giving to foreigners. Okay, well that would be low. That would probably be about, I'd say half a million, 500 million. Still, it's still almost 800 million dollars. Okay, I'm close. I'm just going to move through. Natural resources adaptation. That shouldn't be anything. Yeah, it's 95 million. I have no idea what that is.

2:48:57 Now, here's an interesting one. Let's just throw away a hundred million dollars. Yeah, to my buddies. Energy tax provisions that may reduce greenhouse gases. Again, I'm going to reread this. Energy tax provisions, i.e. tax breaks or actual payment, oh no I'm sorry payments is the second category, these are actual tax breaks to companies and people like a non-profit thing so tax not have to be paid for provisions that may, not that do, that may reduce greenhouse gases. How much John? A hundred million? Five billion dollars. That's just throwing money away. That's money we're not collecting for taxes yes. And then finally energy payments

2:49:49 Energy payments, so actual money paid. How much do you think that is? Okay, I'm going up big. This one's five billion. Eight billion dollars. Geez, I can't even get... The grand total spent, this is not what's coming in 2014, spent in 2013, 22 billion dollars on research and bull crap. And that's numbers going up. Of course the number's going up. It's all bull crap. We're on the wrong side of this argument. Yeah. Well, you have to do it right. If you know how to do it, then you get the money. Now, what I want to do, and this is the last I have for Show 600, I told Miss Mickey about it, she liked the idea. And I'm really only helping a great guy who has already done the work, John Coleman.

2:50:42 And we've discussed John Coleman before. John Coleman is the founder of the Weather Channel. Very early on he said this, and this back when it was global warming, he said I've been a meteorologist all my life, this global warming business is crap. It's not true, it's not happening. Yeah, he did a three-part video on YouTube that I have not seen for years. I think they took it down. So he has republished this brand new, but it's about 45 minutes on YouTube, that's where I found it. It's the history of where global warming came from. And for you, I have cut this down to a couple of clips which I will narrate myself. It's fun to watch him do it, but most people, TLDR, they just don't have the time for this and it's just not gonna happen.

2:51:33 So I am just, where is my, I have a little rundown for you. We're gonna start and I just want you to hear his credentials. It's a very cute video that he made. Here is John Coleman introducing himself. Hello, I'm John Coleman and the name of this presentation is there is no significant global warming. And I'm the guy that is just doggone sure of that. Now you may think that I'm just a paid-off shill, big oil or something of that sort. No, no, no, no, no. They've never given me a nickel. I'm a television weathercaster with 60 years experience, a meteorologist. I was the first weatherman on Good Morning America. I'm the man who founded the Weather Channel. And this is my accomplishment. Broadcast Meteorologist of the Year from the American Meteorological Society, of which I was a professional member for many years.

2:52:24 I finally quit the AMS when it became very clear to me that the politics had gotten in the way of the science and it was time to talk about something else. Now, did we have a winter or what in 2013-14? Oh man, did we ever. When I called for my brother in Ohio, his wife said he wasn't coming in from shoveling the snow to talk to some guy in California. Oh man, how could you tout global warming when it was the coldest, snowiest, bitterest winter in 30 years, which it was across the United States?

2:53:00 And it would take a lot of gall to put out a statement as our NOAA, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency did, claiming that it was the warm... 2013 was the warmest year ever. I mean, it's sheer silliness. It is manipulation of the data. I have studied the issues carefully and completely as a good scientist can, and reached an absolute firm conclusion That there is no global warming. All right, so that's a little bit of his background and he's for real this guy. No, not Yeah, and he takes us back to 1957 actually the the mid 50s Roger Revelle who was at the Scripps Institute that's in California and and he really built this thing up into because he was studying the oceans and

2:53:55 And he really built this thing up into an interesting little research facility, and he wanted to have the University of California San Diego chancellorship, and he really wanted to put all this together, and somehow that didn't happen. But he did this paper on CO2 in 57, and the paper determined that carbon dioxide was a greenhouse gas. When he didn't get the chancellorship, he was pissed off and he went to Massachusetts and went to Harvard. And this is really where the story of how global warming, this scam, these $22 billion that's being spent today of American tax dollars, how that came to be. And the first thing we do with John Coleman here is he's going to talk about

2:54:44 the data as he sees it, he's probably that one lone meteorologist and he is a meteorologist and he's going to tell you very clearly about the real temperature as he sees it and he's actually tweeted this to all of the usual suspects. That's why I sent out this tweet today. This tweet went out to Al Gore, it went out to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change of the United Nations, to the Sierra Club, to the Democratic Party National Committee, and what it said is, Where is your so-called global warming? Because if you chart the temperatures, you can go back into the 70s and come up to today, and there's almost no warming. I mean, less than 1 degree warming since 1978. And absolutely no warming since 1998.

2:55:37 What kind of deal is that? I love this guy. Well, I'll tell you what kind of deal it is. It's the kind of deal that's full of silliness if you're promoting climate change and global warming. We are in one of the most stable and beautiful periods of Earth's climate you could hope for. And look at the stark contrast between the spaghetti of the many models of atmospheric warming created by various people who have gotten tens of millions of dollars of federal grant money and worked for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and there's the average of all their models, and then here's the real temperatures.

2:56:16 as measured both on earth and with our satellites and folks it's just not happening. I love the fact that he says measured by the way which I learned from you. So he in 67 goes to Harvard and has a and and he still has now he has this paper about co2 and he's saying hey you know this is a greenhouse gas this could this could cause some warming so he's on the warming side this is a Roger Revelle. One of his students can you guess who a student was? James Hansen. Wrong. Al Gore. Oh! That first year one of his students was this young man, Al Gore. The only science class Al Gore ever took. Ravel didn't remember having him in class. But oh, Al Gore, who got a D in the course, was highly impressed. He got a D? He got a D. It is one science course? Uh-huh.

2:57:10 son of a politician out of Tennessee and he used what he learned there to start his global warming campaign. He wrote a book called Earth and the Balance. He ran for the US Senate. He claimed that the earth was being challenged by our burning of fossil fuels and he got him elected to the US Senate. And there in the Senate he conducted hearings bringing in scientists and spreading the scare of global warming. And that's when the money began to flow from the government to research. And this was the booby trap. The booby trap, John? Once billions of dollars of government funding was going out to these organizations and universities and research groups across the nation.

2:57:57 and they had to back that global warming claim that Al Gore was promoting with their research, the research began to pile up. And if you were a young scientist, you didn't have a choice. You couldn't put out a research paper that said, oh, what warming? You'd be out of a job. You'd lose your job, your car, your family. You'd be walking on the streets. This is really important stuff. People need to... I'm so happy this guy is doing it. You gotta respect He's like, I think he's 83 or 84. You gotta respect what he's doing here and what he's saying because this is truly, and we have been very consistent about this. I didn't know of the Al Gore thing that he was, you know, his student. No, so every piece of information that comes out is more, uh, more indi- is more indicting or whatever. It's just a word I'm looking for, but yeah. More condemning, more damning. More damning. Everything that comes out is more damning and it just never ends. So now we have to add a new person to the mix. By the way, I do

2:58:55 It's disconcerting how some people, very few of it, I mean Chris Hedges, Ralph Nair, these guys have probably never taken a science course in their life either. And it just astonishes me how everybody gets on board without, but they're not doing any common sense thinking. It's just I don't know. I just this whole thing is it's very depressing I think this one but so I think this little thing and you know we're past the halfway mark Is good because when it's one thing's a odds bullcrap But you know now you have the story in your head, and you can say hey it was the guy at Scripps He did this paper. He went to Harvard Al Gore saw that wrote the book and then Al Gore bumped into Maury strong no you had to support it and

2:59:43 Al Gore had taken Ravel and Sousa's research paper and used it to start the global warming campaign. And what did Al Gore say? He said, this Roger Ravel, he was my mentor, he's my hero. He's the man who spread the alarm. Well, there was another man that picked that up. This man, Maurice Strong. Maurice had become a bureaucrat at the United Nations, and in 1972 he had a conference in Stockholm on the environment. And his whole goal was one world government. And he used the impetus of that global warming scare

3:00:23 at that Stockholm conference to start the initiative that set up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. So now we had the US government and the United Nations both promoting climate change, and it all came from that Ravel-Seuss paper and the research that followed and the dollars that were now flowing, and man, it was underway big time. Bonanza! And you'll recall that Maurice Strong, with Albert Gore, started the Chicago Climate Carbon Exchange, which they didn't, it failed because you know they haven't been able to price it properly.

3:01:00 And that was their plan from the beginning. 1972. Let's get this going, let's do cap and trade, we'll have the carbon exchange and when you are the stock exchange, there's money. You get a piece of the action. Whether people are winning or losing, you make money consistently. It's like owning a casino. Now the IPCC This is where we're going to get into the simple fact that consensus is not science and science is not consensus. Consensus is politics. Voting is not science. You don't vote on science. And the IPCC was a bonanza. So the IPPC, it had scientists and bureaucrats and politicians from throughout the world

3:01:52 It had the World Wildlife Federation, the Sierra Club, all the environmentalists, and they all got together and they voted that global warming was for real. Hear that? They voted. They voted global warming's for real. 99% voted. I gotta tell you something. You don't settle science by a vote. It's not a political issue. It's not a vote. It's science. But never mind they put out their reports. I think this is a good way to Rebut that by the way really 99% did they have a vote? Oh is science science is now voting is that how we do it? You'll still lose because we don't have you know you're fighting 20 billion dollars and they spent a lot of time telling us how we were destroying planet Earth and

3:02:36 and they had fancy meetings in tropical locations. This is not to be undersold by the way. Fancy meetings in tropical locations all around the world. All around the world, and the scientists who supported global warming got the paid vacation trips to these big meetings and got to write these books and have their names and their careers, and man it was a big deal. And what did Al Gore do? Well, he wrote a second book about global warming called An Inconvenient Truth. And we all know what became of that. So now I skipped over a whole bunch of parts which are very important, but essentially Roger Revelle then rescinds and he says, hold on a second.

3:03:19 I've gone back, looked at the data. We've got to be very careful with this. You can't be so alarmist because there's no evidence that this greenhouse gas is causing global warming. And he did a famous interview in Cosmos Magazine where he said this, and this is where everybody flipped. Everybody turned on him, including Gore, and then once he died, which is unfortunate, then the Foundation, his family turned. had turned on him and wound up actually giving Gore the first ever Roger Revelle award for climate change. His own family. And this guy was writing letters to congressmen and senators and the president saying stop, stop, stop. I was wrong. My paper was wrong.

3:04:07 This is, it certainly wasn't saying this, it's not going to destroy the earth, stop! My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 to 20 years to really be convinced that the greenhouse is going to be important for human beings in both positive and negative ways. So there it was. The man who had started the global warming campaign put up the flag of warning. Hey folks! This may not be for real. Caution, caution. Well, he even wrote an article that was published in a new science magazine called Cosmos. And he teamed with a professor, Fred Singer, to write that article.

3:04:51 And that article was called, What to do about greenhouse warming? Look before you leap. And the article concluded, and I quote, The scientific basis for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time. Wow! The man who had started it? Well, how did Al Gore react to that? Well, he said, I've made up my mind. Ravel is now senile. Pay no attention to that. The debate is over. And you've been hearing that now for 20 years. Al Gore won't debate anybody. And he claims it's for real. He literally turned on his mentor, the guy he said, oh, he's senile now. He's just old coot. Senile. Senile. Science is in. Debate is over.

3:05:39 So that is the story of how global warming came to be. Today those are the players Roger Revelle, Murray Strong, Albert Gore and to wrap it up I like this part the best our friend here John Coleman is going to tell you what we can do about this. What would you say we can do about this John? Not a damn thing. Now what's gonna defeat this global warming scare? I don't think we can defeat 4.7 billion dollars, the democrat party, the united nations, the sierra club and the wildlife federation and all of them.

3:06:25 They just claim that we're deniers and old goats. Old goats! And they think we're bought and paid for by the big oil companies, which we are not. Don't have anything to do with them. But I don't think we can defeat them. You know what's going to defeat them? Time. A few more bitterly cold winters, a turn toward a colder climate, When the global warming fails to materialize in time, people will begin to believe. And I have noted that a recent Gallup poll shows that more and more people are saying global warming, that's not the big deal. We got a lot of big deals going on. The list of their concerns is very interesting. Those are on it. But global warming is down toward the bottom of the list. There you go. Time.

3:07:18 Yeah, I've always felt that way. I think that's good because it keeps us, the two of us and this show and our producers and listening audience and everybody in between, the Knights and the Dames, it keeps us in a kind of a state of, I have to say, enlightenment. Because if you understand some of these mechanisms and what's going on and you take this side that that Coleman takes and that Approach I think it it makes you a better person. It makes you less nervous about we're all gonna die I mean that one thing you played that one guy. He says we're all gonna die. Yeah, that's what Chris Hedges said yeah We're all gonna die the human race is through Uh-huh

3:08:06 What does he know about this? So it's very important. She's got her big eyes, those big big cow eyes looking. I think doe, doe eyes. Oh, doe eyes. She's got big doe eyes looking at the camera. Oh, we're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. You know, maybe it's just some trick to get laid. We're all gonna die. Let's get laid. Well, no, that's not a bad idea. I think I can flip-flop from time to time. Hey baby, let's try this thing out because we're gonna die anyway. We're gonna die from global warming man. We might as well try this. I have an idea. Let me put it here. We're gonna die anyway. We're all gonna die.

3:08:47 So I applaud John Coleman for putting out that video. Yeah, old goat, a good old goat. And of course, that's in the show notes. You can find that at 600, 600.nashownotes.com or noagendanotes.com. And you can send that all you want to people. They won't watch it and be like, who's this old goat? Who's this coot? But when you know, and I agree with you, John, when you know in your heart how this worked, that this opportunist from Tennessee saw his plan and went, hey, I can make... and this is how he became senator and... Almost president. Almost president, that's sure. And it's a huge scam. And it's a good one.

3:09:37 You know, that's a beauty. I think it's a great scam. It's worked very well. Now, just to finish, when you get, because this thing is coming out in April, when you see this, James Cameron, I mean, the man made Titanic come back alive. I mean, that looked pretty damn real. Oh, you know, Cameron is dangerously good. So whatever you're going, and I just look at that trailer, there are so many little, with television I've learned a few tricks, but you can have 12 frames of something and it really irks people's brains and it makes you feel bad and you're worried and yeah exactly, I'm gonna die, we're all gonna die, it's all over, we're gonna die, we're gonna die, but the bottom line is already only in the United States of Gitmo Nation, I'm not talking about the EU's,

3:10:23 $22 billion last year was spent. Did it fix anything? No. It was really just research and tax breaks and money for battery-powered things. I didn't get any battery car. I didn't get anything for free. I didn't get any tax break. So you think about that and then you know and then you can feel good and you can sleep well at night. We're not going to die from global warming, but here's Adam Curry's secret. Nobody gets out alive.

3:11:01 Wanted to play one little glass little clip short one at the end mm-hmm Which is just to show you the kind of you know scientists are very dedicated is the meme we have a piece of an episode from Grimm which is about people who transformed into various kinds of monsters a very good show actually based on a thought about Grimm's fairy tales actually being true stories and Which is why it's called grim and this was just a scene in the movie where some maniac is wrecking the place And this is this is a little piece of propaganda to make you think that scientists are really this Really really this they're dedicated

3:11:40 And you have any idea who this man is yes, we have it appears their agenda is political I don't care what their agenda is. This is science. I won't be scared into not doing my research This man is not your normal radical What did he say at the end? He's not your normal radical shut up already science science science is The science is in! Science! Alrighty, and that wraps up another episode of the best podcast in the universe 600 episodes in the can You did it. I know. I want to thank Mark Pugner for all of his work on promoting the No Agenda show

3:12:34 And a reminder that we will return on Thursday with episode 601. There will be more to discuss because we are medicine for today's media sickness. I came out almost right. We are the medicine... You should write that one down. We're the medicine for your media ailments, no? We're the medicine... well, we're something like that. You're making it worse. Guardians of reality, that's for sure. Well, that's for sure. Yeah, that was good. I agree that I have to look at that whole thing because this guy's been around talking about he talked about a lot of the numbers can't be it's just you guys great and Hey, John, I'm a thing is annoying. Hey John. Thank you 600 episodes been fun. I like it. Well, thank you Adam Curry. Thanks all the ships at sea and bow. I'm sorry Coming to you from FEMA region 6 here in Austin, Texas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley

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