Tech Surge

00:00 But in the firewall it says, plug your ports! Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak It's Thursday October 24th 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 559er This is no agenda Reviewing over 5 million lines of code here at the Travis Heights hideout and the capital of drones Star State Austin Tejas In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where i review No Code I am John C. Dvorak That's fine it was like you all of a sudden you went like a thousand miles an hour I did. I'm not used to that from you What hmm maybe decaf next time for John?

00:41 I drink tea. So there can be caffeine in tea? There's a lot of caffeine in tea but it also has relaxants, It's more balanced, it's a balanced drink, its healthy Oh and is this the PG6? You used to drink tea! I used to drink it all the time! Then you ran off with that Dutch woman But hey come on Dutch people drink more tea than you think they drink... My impression is they just drink coffee No, no. They have coffee shops all over Amsterdam. Yes. They're tea shops when in fact what's served in the coffee shops is more rightly known at least in general parlance as tea So typically the Dutch morning consists of breakfast with tea and coffee is not until coffee time which I think anywhere between 10 and 11 is officially coffee time

01:32 That is when the Dutch drink a cup of coffee, but the morning isn't is rarely spent breakfast is I would say traditionally in general in the Netherlands tea What consists what does the breakfast consist up it consists of typically? bread with butter and Some cheese they could be bred with Nutella Or bred with the house law which is the Which is like sprinkles There's that. I don't know what that is sprinkles you do, you know like Jimmy's I guess what name will you put them on your knees? You never heard of Jimmy's hey, Jimmy. Can you sprinkle on this for me? Hey, hey how you started it

02:20 Um... What are sprinkles? I'm not, I'm used to them. Or have you ever been in Baskin Robbins and you get your ice cream and then Oh! You're talking about that garbage they put on the ice cream? Yes, the topping. Those little pieces of candy? Yeah, the toppings. You put that on a breakfast piece of bread? With butter or you know what a rusk is? A rusk? You know what a rusk is? Isn't a rusk just like bread crumbs No um Rusk is uh beschuit You know what beschuit is, don't you? Oh yeah sure. Rusk I think... let me consult the book of knowledge it's around yeah like uh like um let me see if there's a different word for it rusk you know your dry it's a dry biscuit twice baked bread oh okay yeah but that's they put in uh rusk is what's used in the british banger uh yeah but this is so this is like imagine

03:17 I'm not kidding. It's rusk and you put butter on top of that, and you can either have your cheese or your Nutella or your jimmies On top of a hockey puck? Yes! I kid you not This isn't very exciting. I imagine when i first moved there when I was seven and I saw this crap for breakfast and then they were eating french fries with mayonnaise, like are you insane? I want to go home! And then actually got used to it now I can barely imagine french fries without mayonnaise how weird is that?! I was at a restaurant yesterday

03:58 And they had french fries with aioli mmm little French place Yeah, and you know it's like I can live with the friends the fresh fries of the mayonnaise doesn't bother me. I mean I've had it I'm Still prefer ketchup but yeah from is today's ketchup as junk so I just see I don't eat french fries But with the aioli, which is a mayonnaise with garlic in it. It's just way over the top and you're just about to stunk to high heaven In fact I can smell you from here You should stop doing that before show day And this is one of those days where um... Before the show started we always do the pre-stream for those who like to listen live

04:37 We start around 30 minutes before showtime, and I'm just playing songs. But really honestly deep down...I really just wanted to listen to C-SPAN because it's the funniest thing you've ever seen! You could not write this if we sat down and said let's write something really funny that the technology community would understand and would laugh their ass off about? You could not write this As there's a congressional hearing with the, I think it's three or four of the 50 consultants who created the healthcare.gov website. Oh jeez that has got to be great! Well you've got these, is is congressmen or senators who are doing this? No I have to check, not sure...

05:18 When you get them asking questions about testing and beta testing, end-to-end processes and batch processing... And you have a bunch of people that don't know anything asking questions. Correct! We're always laughing about this because this is like the news in general This is the House Energy and Commerce Committee, is what it is. In general whenever you read something or hear something or see something in the news which is about a topic that you really know something about You'll be sitting there going like this is bullcrap! They got none of that right What do you expect? It's Congress But but that's... That's the news and the news has done absolutely nothing about this health care debacle except regurgitate words like oh glitch

06:08 They can't, the tech people are all out of the industry and the news industry. The only people that have been left over and if you read any publications you can tell this is just people interested in iPhones That's all that it is! You're absolutely right who gives a crap about anything else? Why bother?! Yeah, it's just iPhones. iPhones. iPhones. Ooh a new iPhone is coming out! Ooh a new iPhone that's gold is coming out! What do you think about that Bill? I think its great! I'm gonna buy a gold one Here's a fine example of CNN...I think this is the Jake Tapper You know the guy who got fired from ABC for whatever he did wrong and got sent down to the farm team there at CNN

06:50 By the way, now in the morning have 37 thousand viewers in the demo. Congratulations Mikaely! What's her name? Our friend there? Mikaely? Um... Mikayla? Oh, Mikay- Mikayla isn't she the one from uh... Talking about what the morning host on CNN isn't it Michaela? She did the morning show Yeah, she's out of hell. She came out at well she came out of tech TV Then she went to LA and now she's there and now she has 37 thousand viewers in the demo in the morning Hey everybody good It's not terrible, it's almost immeasurable. That's what you call a... You know when they do the... By the way I want to stop you right now. Oh? You know your coming in and out about at 10 dB fluctuation and I'm worried that the recording is not consistent Really? You're like low then your loud then your low. Yeah but i'm sure that has something... Hold on. Sorry? 15 dog biscuits? I'm sure that has something to do with Skype let me see if uh

07:52 Oh yeah, no of course I see what happened. I'm sorry okay 1 2 1 2 1 2 how's that sound? Check one two one two that should be better yeah Yeah you're fine You know what it was? I started up Skype and it rechecked the automatic adjust microphone settings So when I'm powering in It's trying to compensate for my huge booming voice. Oh, okay. Yeah 37 000 when they do the arbitrons or whatever they do. Nielsen actually that's so low it's time for arbitrans they should be in radio let's just turn off the cameras and do radio asterisk get a pbx people just deliver vhs tapes

08:33 It would be cheaper. They give you if you're under some percent like under one or something they just put an asterisk and yeah that's correct, I think it's like the lowest...I think it's if it's under 0.1 I think that's when you get the asterisks on the ratings anyway unfortunately for her But here is on CNN another epic fail just to give you an idea of the level of understanding of technology What is I guess what happened here? Is The one lady who got through on And was able to register and I don't even know if she actually I think that the one lady there's one in Iowa, Ohio Got through the other day. No the one with Obama the one who was in the Rose Garden and she was the one

09:22 So the way she got through, apparently it took her like four hours and she had to clean her cash and her cookies. In order to create, and they did that with us. Oh that's a good one! Yeah so but here's how it comes across on CNN It took her seven hours on the phone and online eventually she had to go through and clean out all the cookies from her cachet And then she was able to sign up at Sheen Her cache? Ooh clip of the day already Really I get it now oh my god I wasn't prepared for that Hold on a second. I mean, seriously? This is what passes for news! She had to clean out her cachet... You know maybe she did have to clean out her cachet Maybe her cachet was the problem to start with you know hey lady your attitude is not right let's work on that cachet Cachet Wow do these people in themselves even use computers No no and then

10:21 So here is Sanjay Gupta, because again if you have a technology issue in government the person you want to send is the medical guy. Yeah he'll know and we like him much more Sanjay because now he's on the weed wagon He's all for it now for whatever so... Finally stoked up! This guy will do anything but she sat down with with the Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius and asked her a few pointed questions. She's not been fired! Well, there is talk now about that she should resign I think he may even in this clip address that but what is funny she saying all the wrong things and my first company I took public

11:10 There was like 700 people, huge integration. We were integrating with back-end systems but I talked about it before. You went through this long story last time... Yeah, yeah! I don't want to go through the whole story but i do want to say that I've been in this situation where my contact at a company where we screwed something up because you know whether there was on their side or our sides these are hard projects then you hear them talking to the boss and in this case the American public is the boss and it sounds kind of like this What has he said to you about this? Let's get it done. You heard him yesterday in the Rose Garden and you know, he is the first to admit that the website doesn't work The way we need it to work so well That's one of the reasons Sanjay we have announced this tech surge and bringing a tech surge John

11:56 Wow! That would be clip of the day. A text surge? They're thinking this is the Iraq war Yes, that's exactly where we're at So we are going to use the word surge anytime you want a little extra effort in something Yeah that right It's the surge. New eyes and ears, Jeff Zients who is a colleague and friend of mine from this administration is coming in as a management consultant to the administrator of CMS to make sure we look at the whole management system. We want to make sure that we have the best and brightest in terms of tech folks, we... Tech folks! ...have gathered them together and asked the contractors to bring their A-team to the table Now Gupta's actually good with this. ...asked the... The A team?

12:44 presidential innovation fellows to presidential innovation fellows how come I'm not on that list? I need to be on that list. Add some strength because we just want to make sure we get all the right answers and do what is needed as quickly as possible to open up the doors of this marketplace Jeff Zients brings a CEO background with him What about tech people, we hear the best and brightest are there people or companies that were going to recognize can you give us some names Yeah, cuz yeah we recognize all these big names I guess what is it? What does he want to hear Apple Google Twitter Facebook? What does he want to hear well right now We've asked all of our contractors to look at their teams on the ground and bring in teams on the ground And we've got we've gone from boots on the ground the team's on the ground to text surge They're absolute a team. Thank you

13:38 that is happening every day. We also, the presidential innovation fellows... The contractors didn't do such a great job so far. Why didn't they bring their A-team in in the first place? There you go! I can't tell you... Sanjay, good question. folks who are assigned to a project. We want new eyes and ears, we wanna make sure that we get all the questions on the table. Start over? Well they're gonna have too. She is horrible! Now let me ask you this... Where is our CTO in all of this isn't isn't this what a chief technology officer is supposed to bring to the table Isn't it Don Parks?

14:31 Yeah, well at least the two Indian guys bailed out. They got out of town I think they knew it! I think they saw this train wreck coming and they're like let's go sell into it But lets not be on the wrong side- where? What was this guy? Don Park Todd Park That's what- Todd Don Well before you go onto that Well have one more No no don't This is referring to what you just did I've got the list in front of me of the Presidential Innovation Fellows. Who they're bringing to the table according to Sibelius. Let's go over the list of new ones on there. Scott Wu, he is from

15:08 innovation ventures at USAID. Oh, he's a State Department show. In the past two decades so innovation but working with launching and investing in young companies and organizations to disrupt their respective sectors oh he's disruptive I don't think we need that right now no okay well then let's get rid of him let's get this guy Scott Hartley He's a presidential innovation fellow working on development innovation at USAID. Oh, he is another State Department shill? Okay... Well he previously worked as a partner at Moore-Davidoff Sand Hill Road Company and prior to that he worked for Google, Facebook and Harvard and Beckman Center for the Internet Society. He is academic

15:49 It might be okay. Hold on, presidential innovation what is it called? Fellows. And then we have Jacqueline Cazell who is a Presidential Fellow on Disaster Response and Recovery and this is a disaster! Yeah so that she'd be good to have in there yeah she'll be in there saying hey look this is a disaster We need as tech surge to cover up the disaster Vidya Spadana is in the open data initiative she could be useful She is working on the open data initiative at the Millennium Challenge Corporation. Is that a challenge coin? It's a challenge corporation, much bigger than a coin! Somewhat... As a college undergrad, apparently she just graduated, she co-founded a GovTech startup. GovTech? DMV.org What is it called? DMV.org That's... wait a minute

16:43 That's a tech startup? It's a GovTech startup. Just get these terms right! No, it says DMV dot org is a privately owned website that is not owned or operated by any state government agency Says GovTech Now GovTech doesn't mean its owned by the government No no no Like technology maybe Well this is kind of interesting If you look at this website Helping You Navigate The DMV Since 1999 I immediately...I'm liking this Because, in fact if you open up DMV.gov I presume there's a website there Oh no it has to be www.dmv.gov because... No nobody is that incompetent That is not true There is no dmv.gov just so you know It does not exist

17:30 I'm looking in there says server not founded There's no there's no DMV gov you have to go to subdomains for your way away wait wait Wait, if it won't play try capital D. Capital all right fine But I like this idea Where what what's her name again? uh... you went to it's like a probably find on our website here i gotta go back and some lost me advertise with us are we sure that our company or company let me see i'd look at how did ya vidya the idea why a mhm spanned dana s p a n d a in a digest bandanna but see if he's hot uh... yeah pretty she's pretty just over it

18:23 I think she's very pretty actually. Okay, so this is a great idea because you know... Not important that she's pretty it's important that she's competent my friend No no its important that she's... But to let us according the email I've been getting We'll get into that in a minute I think this is a fantastic idea where you take DMV.gov doesn't even exist, you take an non-functioning entity online and that's pretty much anything the government does... ...and you create a better version of it just tying into their hooks or whatever into into their systems And then you've got a business, I think. Looks like they're basing it on advertising which is... There's a ton of these fellows! There's no way they can get all these fellows in one room at the same time So she's full of crap about this Anyway take it Who else? Is there anyone who's a fellow because I feel a little slighted There must be 50 of them on this page and this is the second round of fellows

19:19 And there's nobody that was here. Cyber physical systems, Dr. Sak Wu Ri is a presidential fellow in cyber physical systems project at the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Sak Wu is an entrepreneur and executive with expertise in technical fields including wireless networks. His broad experience in pioneering new industries and promoting company growth with a focus on continuously noisy bull crap. Jeff Mulligan, cyber physical systems My USA, Hillary Hartley. Oh here we go! She's got a picture of... you gotta see the picture of this woman No I'm not doing that anymore She is uh... I'm out Okay alright so... Let me say it anyway or I could go on forever Alright so this is known as The Piff

20:11 I see it right here on the whitehouse.gov piffs, yeah the presidential... It's Barack Obama and the piffs everybody! Yeah Gladys Knight used to play with that. With the piffs so here's spokeshole Carney um uh and of course he's being grilled and all he can do is read off the paper kind of sad but he has pathetic when he's has to look down and read off the paper yeah and so here is his uh... introduction of jeff zines do you know this guy? no i never met him. Do you know what it means, I mean he's a CEO not like a how do you spell his last name? It's Z-I-E-N-T-S

20:50 Zaint's and let's see we'll look them up while we listen to this clip launch the tech surge Oh Texas well underway bringing some of the most talented experts To bear on this problem, and they're working 24-7 24-7 everybody. On fixing the web system, and I understand that HHS is now announcing some key steps including the fact that it is bringing in management expert and former CEO Jeff Zients on board to work in close cooperation with the HHS team to provide management advice and counsel to the project as those of you know. He's currently... Yeah?

21:28 He's currently the director of the National Economic Council, so what has he got to do with the price of bread when it comes to computer systems? Oh nothing. I don't know! They think that somehow you're gonna bring in another manager another guy who is going have to get up-to-speed on this debacle... That that's gonna work This is just about the worst thing you can do. Jeff, he's a... To add to a team and many many teams who are completely demoralized And now you're gonna... I've been here, I've done this This is exactly the wrong way to go. I don't see any, by the way and i don't see any evidence that he knows anything about systems No no it's all about management they think that its just management management management yes this is this is the idiocy of yeah this is crazy and there's nobody in congress who seems have a clue about any of these either so well uh... this site never gonna work? I don't think so either I think it's never really going to work very well They're gonna have to really go back

22:24 It's not the site, it's all the back end stuff. That's what it is. Anyway so on Sunday we will have plenty of fun clips to listen to. This guys just a government stooge he's not even CEO. CEO of what? I can't find anything! I see the advisory board... He was one of the Board of Directors for XM Satellite Radio He was. No, he was chief operating officer of advisory board company and corporate... Isn't that the company that those first CTO is part of? One of those or some Washington drinking club that was called a company I have no idea what it is We've talked about this company It's not a company. It's just a bunch of guys who formed something called a company Research Council of Washington

23:17 With five employees. Yeah, it's a think tank drinking club yeah all right great bring him in. This guy knows nothing! In fact on his wiki page someone should go in on his Wikipedia page and replace this picture with a target on his head. Probably considered a terrorist threat so forget that. True maybe don't want to do that Yeah, now this is what is interesting. Is the if you look at the the house hearing Three women two men on the in the witness stand and they say there's no women intact well they're there yeah They're there to get blamed I don't actually think the woman from I know she's from CGI or CMS But she's actually doing pretty well

24:08 This guy by the way, and in this day and age I'm gonna...this sounds a little weird but i'm going to say it anyway. This Jeff Zients guy he's not even on...he is not high level guy He's not Larry Ellison No! This guy isn't even on LinkedIn Wow I mean everybody, I tell you everybody who's a CEO in almost every company with the exception of very few extremely high-level people they're all on LinkedIn. This guy is not on. So he's not even a Natalie where he sees just... He's just a slouch! Okay let's go from there sorry. Someone who is going to get blamed that's what's gonna happen. I even got a note and this kind of confused me from Nancy Ann Deparle

24:58 You know, I'm on the White House... Ready for Hillary? Well Nancy and DeParle- no. The note was about the Affordable Care Act and health insurance marketplace and where the website launch hasn't gone as smoothly as it should have but she's not there anymore! She left! And she's in... She left? Yeah, she's in... So they're just sending out letters with her name on it. Yes! I think so because if everywhere you look she's now at a private equity firm. She left and you know... Oh, so it was just the template. I think it is John. That's disgusting. I mean I got the email like Nancy Ann DeParle didn't she yeah here it is Nancy Ann Deparle left The Obama White House last January How do you spell her name? Uh, so Nancy Dash Ann, A-N-N, Deparla, D-E-P-A-R-L-E

25:50 D-A-D-E-P A-R-L-E. And if you look at the book of knowledge, no way does it say she's returned all of a sudden so I think that the whole administration is running on one big Perl script. It's worse! It's probably AppleScript. Here it is, Deparle. Yeah, and here's Nancy-Ann Deparle on LinkedIn. But she's not... She is currently at the Consonance Capital Company. Yeah! She is a partner. Why she sending out this note then? I don't know that's what so weird. I'm telling you they've got... These guys are running on fumes They are it's good you know it's so bad right now

26:43 And please transition us right into NatSec wonk because I love... As soon as you said things are so bad right now the first thing I thought of was Navsec. It's Natsec Wonk. Yeah, National Security Wonk. NatSec Wonk and if people haven't heard this story actually have a clip that kind of outlines it This is a very short clip I see here. Is that the one? Yeah, play it. And a guy who worked in the White House on national security is looking for a new job tonight he was fired for tweeting this is one of the tweets that Jaffe Joseph aka NatSecWonk sent like this one many tweets insulted top White House officials He was exposed and fired last week Oh you didn't have... oh man! You need to know you need three examples everyone's using

27:30 Well, there's more than a few examples that you could pick from if you have it. I think it's linked in the show notes of course the entire history of this guy which was taken off of Twitter and Somebody said you know I haven't found out why it was taken off It was taken off by Twitter or he closed the account But I think it was taken off by the company because it doesn't say close the account usually says counts been closed private Or something like that yeah, but just once this one says server error Maybe you mean DMV.gov? And so he went after everybody and one of his key targets was Valerie Jarrell Yes, yes! I have a clue What is she even doing here?! Why is she here!? I think she's got too much influence on the president Who IS SHE anyway?? I was like hey why has this guy taken my schtick

28:22 I'm glad they closed his account. He's the only one who sees this and well, and i'm not even on the inside here's CNN uh who are just appalled appalled that anyone would do this? This is what everyone hates about Washington! This is appalling we can't he's mean blasting the Obama administration needs a rogue tweeter believe it or not White House National Security Official Jofi Joseph fired last week because he posted hundreds of snarky tweets. Snarky? Critical of his bosses and government policies, and boss's friends and officials, just about anybody because it went on for years. Whoa! Jim Acosta is at the White House with the very latest on this We got the guy in the white house lawn to talk about this everybody stop the presses. Jim honestly when I read these tweets i thought i was reading the tweet of a 15 year old mean girl

29:13 A 15 year old mean girl! Is that Erin? No, that's um... That is I think it's the girl- the lady with the glasses and short blonde hair. Um... They are outlandish It sounds like something out of that movie Mean Girls or Heathers, you know the sort of stereotype. All the movies we watch all the time! How would you know about Heathers unless you watched it? Cool behavior and honestly sometimes Washington can behave like a high school and this is an example of that One thing we should point out White House officials say that Jophie Joseph, the National Security Council Director of Non-Proliferation

29:52 pretty interesting title there important title he was fired immediately once his identity was revealed as the mystery man behind this twitter handle natsecwonk which by the way if you go on twitter isn't there anymore and just to give you a sample of uh... the mean spiritedness that was being invented on twitter under this handle. Okay now we've transitioned into the bullying meme hold I gotta do it like over here. He was such a bully, bully, bully There was one about Ambassador Samantha Power. He took a tweet from Samantha Power and then modified it and tweeted it out himself. Ambassador Power's original tweet was about how she was wrapping up a busy day at the United Nations General Assembly, talking about President's speech there. And NatSec wonk Jofi Joseph tweeted tweets like this are why so many soured on you. By the way that was dumb! That was just a dumb non sequitur tweet

30:52 Made no sense at all if you said how come you married Cass Sunstein? What are you doing with that douchebag that would make sense in the service that tweet by the way he did that yeah He had a tweet about The iceberg there are many other mean-spirited ones mean spirited there are pale and valerie jared many other fair about it officials in the administration outside the administration of the joe p joseph uh... once he was busted apparently released a an apology statement to politico i'll read that you would says it has been a privilege to serve on this administration i deeply regret violating the trust and confidence placed in me what started out as intended parity account of dc culture developed over time into a series of inappropriate mean-spirited comments

31:41 I bear complete responsibility for this affair and i sincerely apologize to everyone. I insulted but uh, but actually I mean he says it was a parody account of DC culture This is what people don't like about DC culture now This is the best thing that I've ever seen from dc culture. I agree What's wrong with these people you wonder why CNN has no ratings? They're totally they are siding with the wrong side of an argument always Consistently siding with the wrong side of an argument they are siding with the power They're not siding with the people. And the people want this! Quite frankly, it can be mean-spirited and cutthroat so it's strange that he would apologize in that fashion since he was contributing to it

32:21 Yeah, but Jim can I just interrupt you for one second? Please interrupt because you got something important to say Ashley. While he gives you that statement i want people to know exactly what he did say uh... I'm a fan of Obama but his continuing reliance and dependence upon a vacuous cipher like Valerie Jarrett Vacuous Cipher?! What does that mean vacuous cipher What is that? It's an airhead, vacuous airhead. Cypher? Uh... cypher which is someone I think- I'm gonna have to look it up to get exactly right but Someone who just yaks a lot I think is a cypher Umm.. A zero! It's a zero! A vacuous cipher An Airhead Zero

33:02 Yeah. Yeah, and? That's just one the other one you alluded to so when will someone do us the favor of getting rid of Sarah Palin and the rest of her white trash family what utter useless By the way this is very interesting the first time I ever heard someone on the news bring up that tweet because most of these news organizations think that's funny when they say, when it's about Sarah Palin see then oh yeah no it's okay then it's funny. Yeah that's fine they're good with all kinds of criticism of Sarah or Michelle Bachman you see then it's okay. Oh what a clown! And by the way women who complain so stealthily to me and I'm sure to you as well John Cash Dvorak and I got some I got some complaints about what we said about um uh what's her name Ivory? What's her name

33:56 Keenan Ivory. No, Emily Dreyfus right who apparently I was told in a funny way you know she's Richard Dreyfuss' daughter oh I pissed on the golden girl! I'm so sorry. I didn't know that yeah i was literally told hey by the way you know that is Richard Dreifuss' daughter like Now I know everyone's so mad. Yeah, well celebrities anyway yeah exactly The only thing I want to say about that is this and then if you didn't hear go listen to the last episode Where for the one time we don't say that? We are evaluating women the way television producers do right because we usually usually just claim a disclaimer That's our out But I will expand it for once in and all in all time If you are in media

34:50 and you display yourself in media. I don't care if it's on a poster, I don't care if its on a podcast, on television whatever it is and you have an opinion about anything which most people in media do that pretty much everyone's job You are susceptible to criticism Subject subject to criticism of your appearance Yes And It Is A Part Of The Game And make no mistake, it's a game. And there is a big reason why we don't have video on this show Right! We don't need the aggravation of being told... I mean i've heard my whole professional life that I've been a dumb dude A dumb blonde! A dumb blonde! My whole life and I really have never cared ever

35:37 But when you say it about a woman and you say boy, she's not if I say A million times on this show. She's hot. Oh man. She smoking that God. She's so beautiful no complaints Never a complaint when you say oh man she used to be hot Not anymore then all hell breaks loose you are you're a sexist misogynist Yeah, I didn't pay that much attention to it. No, I got the woman she I heard her and saw her on a thing and she's you know She moaned about it. She said we're anti-science. They actually were very... Her brother or somebody else who came on I just blocked him but

36:19 They went on about, oh these two idiots are old white dudes. I mean they go off... This is the kind of people who like once a little criticism hits them they turn into the biggest bigots. It was worse than that John. Ageist sexists! Yes! It's racist, ageist, sexist. This one guy says we should kill ourselves! Slit your wrists he says to us this is like unbelievable when I saw that what kind of person would say that unless they're sick? You can say anything you want but when you start calling me a Republican that's when i get angry oh yeah that's another one everyone's a republican

37:00 And if you're anything against, I mean if you're just not a checklist liberal progressive. You are Republican that's not true! Most Republicans nowadays have bailed from the Republican Party. I'm registered independent you can check it out yeah Not a Republican But every single one of these women I just pointed out to them, can you tell me? Can you look me in the eye and tell me that you've never made a joke about Donald Trump's hair. And they can't because they have all done it! You see when you turn that around...and there is much larger conversation that i'm preparing not for today about this agenda 21 promotion of women and uh...I have some problems with this

37:52 I really do. Yes, well it's agenda 21 is problematic yeah but just the way that it's being done and uh and I have some disagreements and unfortunately there are a lot of women around me so let's see...I gotta watch my back! So I have to be very very prepared before I do anything on this topic however I'm very happy to hear that Deaf Sec uh wonk or what was it? Natsec wonk called Valerie Jarrett a vapus, what do you call her? Vacuous cypher. I gotta write that down that's a good one. Cypher! I am your vacuous cipher member of the presidential innovation fellows vacuum cypher that's great well i read a lot of the tweets i didn't read them all and i think we can go over that list that's on which came from scribb'd

38:49 dot com which is the capture of the entire twitter stream before it was vacated and I recommend people actually download it and save it because I think that'll be pulled. When you go to the show notes 559 dot NA show notes dot com, that is an offline copy. Okay which is better? Yeah duh of course! As we've learned over the years you have to make copies of things that are online that are controversial cuz they get pulled there's all...they'll use any excuse to pull them cuz nobody wants them you know make waves right It's got some gems in there. This guy was inside and he was essentially a fly on the wall, even though he was in there but he was acting as a fly on the wall just picking up beautiful little observations and the fact that CNN would go after him like this is some sort of high school mean girl it's kind of missing the point of the whole thing we had have view of the inside of the White House you would otherwise not get yeah wasn't it was mean spirited

39:48 But it probably because of what you observe. You can get pretty angry when you start seeing certain kinds of things happening in front of your eyes and if you think you can get away with an anonymous tweet, then you'll do it. Now the best comment I've seen on this looking at various news items was this guy, the commenters at the end of the item. The guy says, geez! It took two years for the NSA to finally figure out who this guy was? And they did...and the way they did apparently is by leaking some particular information to him And then waited for it to tweet out and then they said, okay we only gave it to you. That is of course the way to get somebody. This is one of the ways if you have a confidential documents that often times their coded so everybody gets a slightly different version and right if they get leaked you can see what's your version as they do this they used to do this I don't think they do it so much anymore but in the early days of sending out screeners

40:44 they would, Hollywood would put different kinds of codes in the things. The screener VHS tapes you mean? Right if you had a VHS screener and you made a copy of it and gave it got into the public domain there be a code embedded in this screener that was specifically your code! Yours I think this is apart of something bigger John and thats why your seeing this type of attack from the government media, the CNN. I mean i'm sorry they're so all in on this but not with what the people want. I think that if you just look down the list what we've seen besides healthcare.gov which you know...I think that's just pure incompetence but if you see France

41:33 Oh, we spied on 70 million French and uh...and we spied on you. And the Dutch! We tapped 1.8 million Dutch phone numbers and And by the way, Lamond has this information. Merkel! Her phone! Her cell phone, her Nokia phone they found after this by the way I can tell you that today President Obama and Chancellor Merkel spoke by telephone regarding the allegations that you mentioned that the US National Security Agency intercepted the communications of the German Chancellor and I can tell you that the President assured the Chancellor, that the United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications. Is not? Will not! He didn't never...never did he say didn't This is..I mean That was by where local news media picked up on that Oh yeah well they actually picked up on the fact that he And I think there may have been some direct questions about this Have you ever Yeah there's a follow-up here

42:32 the United States greatly values cooperation with Germany on a broad range of shared security challenges. As the president has said, the US is reviewing the way that we gather intelligence to ensure that we properly balance the security concerns of our citizens and allies with the privacy concerns that all people share. Both leaders agreed to intensify further the cooperation between our intelligence sector... And by the way, I love how we are spying on people to protect our allies not just our American citizens but we actually claim out loud that it were also protecting you! You there, France.

43:20 And when you say, pardon me, not monitoring does that leave the door open to the possibility of NSA as part of a broader sweep? We've picked up some of our communications but we're not quote unquote... There's the question. Oh my God it's a good question! All I can tell you is what the President told the Chancellor The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor communications with the Chancellor Right, thank you There's one guy. Do you know John Batchelor? You ever heard this guy oh yeah the John Bachelor show Yeah radio guys third tier guy. Yeah big deep booming voice however I a lot of Insiders that I know in the DC area

43:59 Say he's usually spot-on and really has good intel and knows what's happening. He's a little weird, you know bowtie type guy You know like Bill Nye the science guy but I follow it he podcasts his radio show So I listen to some of it from time to time is what he had to say on the merkel thing i think this is super serious i think the suggestion is that it has happened and i think this is a sharp break of very brat bad breakdown between berlin in washington the chancellor is very angry and she'd grew up under the stasi yes stassi like maneuver and she right now is more than just a little annoyed larry this is going to cause damage throughout europe says she has a very fast

44:41 And yesterday... That's the impression I get. If you start, I watch a lot of the Euro news and some of these overseas broadcasts and there is no nothing like Jay Carney said well they both agreed! I don't think they agree on anything I think she chewed him out and she's extremely from what i can tell like you said pissed off Well did the European Union Parliament voted yesterday for US access to the global financial database to be suspended because of concerns the United States is snooping on the database for financial gain rather than just to combat terrorism. Listen very carefully what I just said

45:22 My old theory. Uh-huh! And the Strasbourg based parliament, because they switch it up every month or so voted 280 in favor 254 against 30 abstentions in the non binding vote what kind of government are you people running? Nonbinding vote. This is so dumb but listen again they are worried that the United States has access to this global financial database and I believe it's all the financial payment system. And the concerns are that we're snooping on the database for financial gain." Yes! You can take that to the bank, you really can in fact... You can take that to the bank We are so corrupt

46:11 So incredibly corrupt what is going on right now, and I think that that when you look at this Nat Sec wonk when you look at, I mean since when is Snowden in touch with Lamond? Oh i'm sorry he has a new partner all of a sudden. Actually this the article it's co-written by Glenn Greenwald okay so green we it's and I have a big thing about it must be just they're I mean you know that what was that report that came out of that Texas operation says we got to get rid of Gretchen Greenwald Stratford or Stratton yes yeah Stratford but it's This and you where is Snowden right now? He's in Russia. This I think is probably partially at least related to a t-tip this has a big fu Obama coming from Russia a really really really really big one and Russians can do these kinds of games And we'd be taking it, but I think we take the Russians a little too for granted Lee yeah Yeah Now this is very serious

47:13 Because this is a good play by them if they're the ones that are really behind this. And it's quite possible, I mean Glenn Greenwald is a really old-fashioned progressive socialist type. As far as we know and Snowden coincidentally in Russia, hey you know let's add two and two here let's open our eyes! Yeah exactly that's all you have to do is just take a look and see what's going on and everything is... The Obama administration could not have a worse time of everything I'm not so sure you know that there's sabotage, sabotage involved in the in you know his key legacy legislation that is supposed to make him president. You mean the health dot gov? Yeah yeah I mean I don't think so either. I think I don't think you had to sabotage that. Putin here's how the meeting went... Don't worry they'll fuck that up themselves! They have no Russian programmers on here oh

48:11 Okay, I got it. So there was this another one of these cyber conferences and the cyber conference is nothing more than a bunch of consultants all you know hopping around trying to get money out of the government. So who's there? It's Hayden, it's Chertoff... it's um oh gosh uh who is the Rogers name or list of the corrupt Rogers you know so Rogers is Oh Rogers that guy's the worst he's a he's in charge of security in the Senate Is he not? Is it Senator or Congressman? No he's the congressman but he but so he's in charge of this stuff Feinstein's ahead of the senate side right

48:55 And so he's, and they've got all the consultants. I just need to play two little bits here... Here is Hayden and of course you know all we can do is scare the public and get ready for legislation so that we can, you know, the big bonanzas of money And it's all about cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber! The way I parse it is that I talk about cyber sins and cyber sinners. Cyber sins and cyber sinners! Here we go are you ready? I really wonder if Hayden can even use a computer...

49:30 It doesn't matter. He's- just listen to his rap. I know, he's a smooth talker. His rap is awesome. So let me just rack up the sins... Rack up the SINS! There's there's the most prominent one out there and that's and that's just Ross stealing your stuff. Oh! It's cyber espionage. You mean what we do? Yeah! What do you mean what WE DO?! What do you mean? That's what we do. That's what the US does, we steal stuff. Oh by the way in Idaho the U.S. District Court ruled that if you call yourself a hacker your Fourth Amendment rights are essentially gone. What?! Yeah Where did you get that one? U.S District Court for the State of Idaho ruled that an ICS product developer's computer could be seized without him being notified or even heard from in court primarily because he states on his website, quote we like hacking things and don't want to stop so if you use that term you are essentially um if you use the word hacking you're essentially saying that you know I could be rogue

50:33 Which is somewhat ironic as hacking has never meant that, it's always been cracking. Cracking yeah but you know that term has been muddied by the media right onward with me well that's a milky go on state purposes its done for commercial purposes its done for criminal purposes and then there's cyber activity to disrupt your network to actually not just steal your material but actually make it more difficult to use your own infrastructure for whatever purposes you've built it. And then finally, and this has been rare to date but it's going to become more common It's to use a weapon comprised of ones and zeros Oh John back up! It's a weapon of ones and zeroes in duct tape?

51:14 to control someone else's network, to then use that control to create not cyber damage but to create physical damage. Wow! You mean like what we did in Iran? Well interesting you say that and the poster child for that obviously is Stuxnet He's actually taking credit for doing it. This is a war we rock those are the sins sinners. Oh, that's the sins now Who was the sinners our state actors? Oh yeah? Yeah, USA criminal gangs and then a third group you say hard for me to define fairly amorphous I'm more disaffected. I think vapus I can't remember how to say it vacuous safe vacuum with ciphers all right oh

52:14 those with perhaps difficult to understand and even more difficult to satisfy demands. Yes, that would be us John we demand money, we demand donations it's very difficult to understand these people these Republicans and blessedly if you look at this taxonomy of sinners the most competent are up here at the state level then criminals and then this third group. I love it how he said the most competent are up here at the state level, he's just calling himself a competent warmonger! It's unbelievable this guy... And that's good, states can behave badly but states have to be aware of consequences. Well the subtext here is not through the no agenda lens

53:06 they're listening from the oh, they're talking about China. Oh no no no no no this is why I brought it up here is the thank you for that segue here is Lewis the CEO of CSIS technology which is a he's up on the day so he's in he's got the contract to echo something that General Hayden said though I was talking to a member of the European Intelligence Service, a couple weeks ago who said that in their view there are 20 or 30 somewhere between 20 and 30 high-end criminal groups that have the capabilities of a nation state when it comes to cyber activities.

53:51 and that these groups, most of them live in a country that begins with the letter R. You know, that's bulk by the way. Most of them live in the country where it begins with the letter U Yeah, the United States. No well not... that's funny but the Ukraine is where these guys if you want to start something up that you don't want ever get caught do it in the Ukraine but you have to work with a gangsta. But the point is this is he's on the inside and he's being told it's the Russians man! It's freaking Putin guy And that's why it's the letter... Why can't he just say Russia? Why does he have to go, It's the letter R. Yeah really what now you're talking about acting like a mean girl at two year old. Uh yeah it starts with the letter r. Why doesn't he say Russia

54:39 I don't know. You want to hear the rest of Hayden or you wanna? No, i want to hear more this guy. It's not Romania. It could be... Is he playing a guessing game with the audience? Let me see it's not Romania. It could be uh boy this is really hard. Rwanda! These groups are focused heavily on the financial sector and they're looking for ways to get money Unlike the Americans who are in your database Hello Europe looking for ways to steal your money and bet against you. God! My people, we need a revolt and that we're seeing this diffusion of capabilities, the commoditization of cyber attack so that people are going to be able to go online... Wait a minute. You can you can go on Amazon S3 order an instance of a cyber attack. You can start up an instance. It's a commodity. How much is cyber tech? What kind of a cybertech do you want? They have a little laundry list? An island service attack? A one billion hits?

55:43 You can rack up your page views on your advertising. There's all kinds of things you can do. What is that thing called on Amazon when you set up an EC2 instance? It has a name like... What is it called? I don't know. IIAS, and then we'll come back to it. I tools that will let them go after targets that we might... I think its AMI yeah Amazon machine image That's what it is you just get order up and order up in a an Amazon EC2 AMI. I'd have thought were safe for year or two ago so There has been some progress certainly in the last few years there would be more progress So we could pass the darn bill in the house but

56:21 What darn bill? Well this is funny because he screws it up. He screws it up, listen... The Senate. That's the House's bill. Oh sorry I'm sorry the Senate. Idiot! I'd like to see your bill become law. Yeah of course you do. What bill is this? It's the Bonanza Bill who knows what bill it is?! It's a bill for money and all right I'll finish it off with Rogers, the congressman who's in charge of cyber security oversight of the NSA essentially. He is on the committee and well...

57:02 Besides of course giving this guy, this Lewis guy billions of dollars no doubt for bullcrap so we can't start up our Amazon EC2 AMI instances to commoditize cyber attacks. We also have to educate the stupid slaves! How would you do that John? If you were a congressman and let's say you and I are both in Congress And we need to educate people about cybersecurity. Hmm, what should we do? I think we should do some PSAs. What do you think John? I think PSAs are good and they worked very well for the music industry. What do you think... We need a mascot!

57:42 mascot mascots always got the kid the kids love them and I love a mascot well giant chicken well you can wait for it people so what we're trying to accomplish is this about 80 percent of the threat roughly, is something that the private sector can absolutely handle. We can handle through education you know the Freddy the Firewall PSA is coming to you real soon about how you can protect your own network I can't wait! You're on a roll today! Hey kids it's Freddy the firewall do you want to keep bad Russians? I mean people from countries with letters that start with R

58:24 out of your computer? Well, you don't have a computer because you only have an iPad. You can actually learn how to do anything on it but Freddy's gonna protect you! It's Freddy the Fo- Uh oh! Hey I think we found your voice over gig. Hey kids! You can't watch porn and can't get in because Freddy the Firewall is protecting you! Oh no! You can download the podcast from The No Agenda Show! Think you're right if I got one. I nailed it. I should do all the nails did I gotta do a bunch of PSA's The show I need scripts oh, I can write me some script Yeah, I think I can replicate it

59:09 Look at my boots! Yeah, I think you can nail that over and over. It's because it's a voice that you... Well, you don't commonly do that voice ever. No, no. I've never- it's brand new invented right here. You can really... You can do the- I think now you can just jump to it Okay ready? Yeah. Ready for plugging all the holes?! I like the cracking part too of the voice. That's good. Ready for firewall says plug your parts! What do I- maybe the firewall! Okay Hey let me say this In the morning to ya John C. Dvorak

59:49 Well in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to Freddie The Firewall. In the morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there yeah in the morning everyone they're in the chat room human resources good to see whoa uh no agenda stream.com noagendachat.net in the morning to all of our um artists Jackie girl thank you so much for the album art for episode five 5 8 apparently the the new podcast or the updated podcast app on the iOS is not showing The new album art. We're not sure why I don't think we're doing anything differently, but some people have had luck by

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1:11:24 Anyway, so he says hey you know I'm happy to chat on my perspective fill you in on anything. You need to know Just keep me anonymous That's the kind of people we have listening We're sitting there listening To this crap and knowing that it's crap and go home And have understanding and watch the news or read the news in the paper and see that The reporting is crap and then like no reporting is dreadful. It's a dreadful crap So, before you say so again I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA we get Sunday is our will be the sixth anniversary show but at Dvorak.org slash and a help us celebrate

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1:13:14 that is right up our alley and I think it, i'm actually very very interested and this involves Glenn Greenwald who I am usually quite critical of but this may be very very interesting. I think I figured out what they are going to do um and I was-I started my research and the first thing I found uh was an interview on NPR or National Treasure who of course have absolutely no interest in promoting anything alternative to them And they had on Jay Rosen, who is a... Is he a professor? He teaches journalism at NYU. I think he's a Presidential Innovation Fellow

1:13:54 I don't think so. Is he a VACA cipher? More along those lines. Uh oh, uh oh! What quick say something about his appearance so we can distract him. So here's just the setup and then i'll tell you where it went from there New York University journalism professor and founder of the PressThink blog says Omidyar told him that he wants to build a new kind of news organization. All right this is about the rumored 250 million dollar commitment. Right, I heard this interview and it was on that show that they have on The National Treasure On the media And yeah we'll give a little background though on Omidyar Pierre is the founder of eBay multi-billionaire and as it turns out quite a few people in technology

1:14:47 Getting into the news business, of course. We have Jeff Bezos Who bought The Washington Post for 250 million dollars? This was the impetus for Omni omnia Ami DR to say he's going to commit two hundred fifty million dollars to To this new venture with Greenwall scale and Laura point is the big three that are always on democracy now but also sort of a team but also know that Steve Jobs' widow invested in OZ Media, which is you know there's a couple of people in there. I don't know this now yeah you're gonna have to stop for a second tell me more. OZ media a new startup with her investment she joins a group that includes angel investor Ron Conway Larry Sonsini. Sonsini is huge! I mean he's a law firm yes

1:15:36 But Larry Sonsini is investing in this vent. Well, he's always been out the Sun Sini Wilson. Sansini has always been Apple's law firm So that's logical Dan Rosen swagger need a lawyer to run a big media company you need lawyers man David Drummond, Google's chief legal officer. I can see that she is going to be sued by Oz Media Works. I can see that coming down Broadway. But if you look... If you just kind of look out over the new media realm we have nothing but venture-backed investment in no news organizations that are just other than a few like The No Agenda Show

1:16:16 that have no investment, no strings attached. I mean if you look at Vice... Oh they all have strings attached! Pando I think is the best example of a media company that was started Sarah Lacy's operation started with Venture capitalists giving her a lot of money to write positive things. Well, I would say it started more with TechCrunch where Right right there were the best model after because she came out at TechCrunch But even Huffington Post you know It was losing its shirt You know before it teamed up with AOL and AOL is of course I think I believe still losing money Vox Media BuzzFeed Business Insider

1:16:53 BuzzFeed is one of the progenitors and one of the main players when it comes to native advertising. In fact, they're often cited as one of the examples of how great this is and I think what you're seeing here with all these venture capital people getting involved is that they see... And believe me, I would start a little company on the side too Besides the Noah Geneshow, I'd be telling the truth and then a little media company would be the native advertising company. You might as well just put nothing but ads for me! Hey kids it's Freddy the Fox! Yeah put Freddy in there, put the General Electric guy in there, put the Ready Kilowatt you know just take this much money as you can Alright so that is what this all about in my opinion Well here's what interesting

1:17:40 And it really came out in a weird way, but I think most people are interested in A. Why did Greenwald... why did this come out? You know apparently was leaked we'll get into that in a second What are they going to do with 250 million dollars because there's lots and lots of questions about oh my god! And and I think journalism in general is in such a state of flux that there should be a lot of interest so of course what do we do as we call the expert Jay Rosen He wants, first of all to find more people like Glenn Greenwald who are independent journalists who have subject matter expertise that's very important to him.

1:18:21 as well as their own voice, as well an online following. And then provide them with a platform and tools and support. He also believes that you need to bring the work of such journalists too A broader audience than their niches might allow them on their own. They're bitches! Okay so clearly he's like... he knows nothing Now, here's what happened. There is this... I think it's a podcast in Germany called Jung & Naiv.

1:18:58 which I think is young and naive. Young and naive, and you know that you've had this happen to you John? You're on the road maybe doing a press tour or whatever and you're in a hotel and it's like either either you set it up or your a press agent or someone who whoever's arranging the speech that you are doing hey we got these local guys they really want do interview with you and what happens when you do these interviews You let your guard down because you're like, oh this is just some stupid little German thing. Some guy who can barely speak English... Yeah I don't let my guard down because i don't have a guard So Jeremy Skyhill is in Germany and he's in the hotel and he ends his video interview It was so phenomenal because he is such an amateur He completely spills everything

1:19:57 everything about what is going on. Before you play this, I wanted to add to this because it was there was a huge kind of a... apparently Pierre found this annoying that the whole idea of this thing that he was developing was leaked and i've always been convinced that Scahill can't keep his mouth shut It wasn't Scahill Oh so he says who it was Let's get into it and please with with the knowledge know that the WikiLeaks movie opened up to a whopping 1.6 million dollar box office so that's a complete failure, that movie is closing as we speak

1:20:39 Wow, I didn't know this either. You got me done three or four things today! You gotta get up early in the morning Dvorak... I get up early in the morning that's the problem. I'm dazed about 3 o'clock and kind of zoned out So either this is uh..the promotion was wrong or it's also possible no one gives a crap? I think the second is rationale. I think you're right and I think that has opened up an opportunity but let's listen first to uh... sky hill about the leak he's not hiring us for not employees this is something we're doing as a collaborative project and uh... were to be bringing on board some really exciting young journalists and also some veteran journalist who work with us in you know it's it still in its that your word of it got leaked we all deal in the world of leaks someone leaked that we were doing this i have no idea who it was where now right there are one essay how can you be trusted

1:21:30 I would never trust him now. You can't even keep your own plans secret? Or... Glenn Greenwald planned it because as far as I can tell the news was broken quote-unquote on BuzzFeed with an interview With Glenn Greenwald and buzzfeed didn't you know didn't say that it was leaked or anything? There's have an interview with the guy, and he is the one that leaked it And I think it's related to what's happening with this movie and wiki leaks in the stance You know. I'm not happy about it But I don't have the power to prosecute them like Obama. I was gonna say Right, I'm gonna go after that. I am gonna hunt him down and smoke him out and pull some George Bush No By the way stop that I don't have the power of the blah blah blah that whole line mm-hmm I heard him on another show saying the same thing delivering that line almost verbatim So he's rehearsed his his shtick which i always find annoying by the way. I think it's worse I think he's so disinterested in

1:22:28 in this, that he's just rattling off whatever is coming to mind. But the kid...the guy in this...I gotta find out who that is...Tilo Jung is good and every single time he asked a question you got a dumb answer The next question was the question I would have asked. I'm really impressed with this, with our German brother here. So once it was out there then we were sort of in a position where we had to kind of tell people where it was at but still you know we're still in the strategic stage of it and figuring out but I think it's gonna be extremely exciting and um...I think we're going to producing some really hard-hitting journalism Okay so now what we want to know is what exactly is it gonna be? How is it gonna work? Is this a new model? And our German, I'm gonna call him our German correspondent! I think this guy should be part of our family

1:23:07 He's so good. I think you better get his approval for that bit. What is he? He's gonna love it! Okay, well play on today what do you want to do different a lot of media and one of the reasons why we're really excited about working with Pierre is that he said that he didn't want to have a top-down model of editorial process where editors are telling reporters what to do so we're going to develop more of a horizontal model Oh yeah, this is gonna work. No but wait! You're having the exact same response I had at first and then it dawned on me what's taking place here so bear with it but if you listen to this you're like...

1:23:44 This is the dumbest idea ever. This is like letting the noodles kid run noodles. Exactly, or editors are supporting the work of journalists but that it's going to be a journalism driven website where we're not just trying to fill positions with people We're trying to bring people on board based on proven track record of great journalism and trying to create space for them Where they can do that journalism without being hindered by bureaucratic institutions or processes Now, what would your follow-up question be? Wouldn't you say something like wow that sounds like the dream job. I don't know what my follow up question would be because i'm not in the groove with this guy at the moment but... Alright alright. ...I'd probably ask him doesn't The New York Times pretty much do that they've got a lot of award winning journalists No no no All they have and their editing is like the process that you're calling it bureaucratic whatever it is he said Is the process It's not right! That's not the way it works

1:24:41 so it's like i ever work for a newspaper have no idea uh... slow ruffin onto the world and jimmy we would say on this week the paradise at what happened but look at that is like a judge of those paradises you don't have a boss will we have to ask them if he if u can write the story or can right side this way Right, I mean it's like uh well to quote that old CIA torture you know we gotta put on the big boy pants and no but nobody is like everybody's gonna What the hell was that non sequitur? Was that... I've never heard of that. That old CIA set yeah my uncle Maybe something he hears at the office Yeah I don't know Uncle D- be expected to do their thing. And we want to work with people whose respect is already there, it's proven and want to create a space where they can do their work. It is like a journalist paradise I mean you know were not naive there will be challenges that'll be difficult when your dealing with a model where no one is exactly the boss you have to work out how thats going happen but were trying to create teams of people who already have shown a proven track record being able to do serious journalism and to do

1:25:44 it with on their own initiative. Okay so now I'm like all right this sounds... This guy, i'm looking at his background by the way he's a documentarian right now before that he wrote for magazines of The Nation is Israeli He has written books and he's written a lot of books but this is not the same as working in a newspaper cranking out these sort of things that he's describing Well and I'm looking from a businessman's perspective and a media analyst And I'm thinking, really? You're gonna...I can burn through 250 million dollars without a boss. That'd be pretty easy is this Pierre a pushover and you know what happens when... Pierre is not a pushover! No no because... That's the problem with Pierre Ah but look out John they have they have a plan now first our German colleague is going to ask the obvious If one of you guys if you get in trouble uh if it's proven that you fucked up something like

1:24:41 so it's like i ever work for a newspaper have no idea uh... slow ruffin onto the world and jimmy we would say on this week the paradise at what happened but look at that is like a judge of those paradises you don't have a boss will we have to ask them if he if u can write the story or can right side this way Right, I mean it's like uh well to quote that old CIA torture you know we gotta put on the big boy pants and no but nobody is like everybody's gonna What the hell was that non sequitur? Was that... I've never heard of that. That old CIA set yeah my uncle Maybe something he hears at the office Yeah I don't know Uncle D- be expected to do their thing. And we want to work with people whose respect is already there, it's proven and want to create a space where they can do their work. It is like a journalist paradise I mean you know were not naive there will be challenges that'll be difficult when your dealing with a model where no one is exactly the boss you have to work out how thats going happen but were trying to create teams of people who already have shown a proven track record being able to do serious journalism and to do

1:25:44 it with on their own initiative. Okay so now I'm like all right this sounds... This guy, i'm looking at his background by the way he's a documentarian right now before that he wrote for magazines of The Nation is Israeli He has written books and he's written a lot of books but this is not the same as working in a newspaper cranking out these sort of things that he's describing Well and I'm looking from a businessman's perspective and a media analyst And I'm thinking, really? You're gonna...I can burn through 250 million dollars without a boss. That'd be pretty easy is this Pierre a pushover and you know what happens when... Pierre is not a pushover! No no because... That's the problem with Pierre Ah but look out John they have they have a plan now first our German colleague is going to ask the obvious If one of you guys if you get in trouble uh if it's proven that you fucked up something like

1:26:40 can the others throw you out? That's a great question! That's the question. Well, kick your ass? Right I mean we have... Kick your ass out. This is where he loses his guard entirely that's why it's gonna come out in a minute. From policy were uh work you know we're going to elect Glenn is going to be the interior minister, Glenn Greenwald. And he's gonna have a secret intelligence service that's gonna be investigating me and Laura... No no we'll work it out. I don't want to get too much into the details about this before before we get it but maybe there aren't any details? I'd have to kill you if I told you that. Oh that's so funny! Name of the thing?

1:27:19 Hasn't been announced yet, but it doesn't that doesn't translate into schmutzi Craig or whatever. It's not gonna be a German German thing It doesn't have a German name Can you confirm that I don't want to rule out? That it's not going to be a German name as I told you they didn't in the dirt my understand the German language Is that there is an incredible volume of guy so okay So here comes now for the money shot, so I'm thinking so I'm processing this I'm like okay We have this Pierre is no dummy He wants to put, you know although talk is cheap. Oh I'll put my here's my...I didn't see a $250 million check. By the way of the one billion dollars that what's the guy who used to own Turner? Yeah. Turner Networks, the guy Turner yeah what's his first name i can't remember it Ted. Ted, Ted Turner. I'm going after Gates started up as operator. I am giving a billion dollars here and a billion dollars nothing! He gave nothing okay

1:28:14 So if you wanna, if I was to start a news organization here's what I would do and it's about and you'll hear this in the next clip. I would start a new WikiLeaks and I've already got the team and here's how it works we sit there we receive documents from whistleblowers We then turn around...we report on that but we sell it to all the other publications So our model is in doing the work, doing the investigative reporting and then quote-unquote partnering with New York Times, DeBilt, Le Monde, The Guardian and we sell our services

1:29:00 from our whistleblowers, which is what we do. This is the Glenn Greenwald approach! This was his invention It's his dream He wants to be Julian Assange and I think there if you look...I think there has been a structured certainly on Greenwald part but I think this movie something happened this had to come out now before someone else got this idea I have the feeling that this was quote-unquote leaked Because Greenwald thought someone else might come up with this genius idea I have some more data points to prove my point here. We have to see the movie now because perhaps the movie actually hints... There may be something in it, yeah? True? Yeah it may hint at this model Here is uh so here is Sky Hill talking about actually being WikiLeaks we ultimately want this to be a public service So you know

1:29:48 i love my german brother listen we're gonna be looking for partnerships uh... around the world and journalists to work with who do investigative reporting remember wiki leaks uh... saying what we do public service like this is a new form of uh... week he likes because it would be nice concert themselves journalism as well well i mean i think i think it's it was incredible extraordinary uh... and that they may have started a ball in motion that has just picked up momentum um... and uh... you know i think the big part of journalism going forward is going to be finding sources above independent information including from whistleblowers and people who want to leak dot yeah i guess i think i'd get listen y'all can't turn the public interest to have access to now we're not continue to do that some over at glenn greenwald twitter

1:30:33 And he tweets something like, so proud of Freedom of the Press Foundation. So proud of Aaron Schwartz and I'm like what? Now to remind you the Freedom of the Press Foundation is this little drinking club funded by Mother Jones who I guess didn't want to fund them anymore that's why they got a new bitch And this is the club that has Greenwald in it, Poitras is in it. Everyone's in this little club and then the freedom of the press... ...and what have they just done? They have just released SecureDrop! and SecureDrop is the... It's a WikiLeaks clone. Thank you, developed by Aaron Schwartz Let me just throw a couple of thoughts in here so what they when they're going on we want the best journalist we want this one to be award-winning I don't know what they want but it seems to me that what they want and what their putting together is an intelligence agency yes! They are looking for analysts now this not journalism people if anybody thinks they're gonna get Jay Rosen obviously missed this by mile yeah well he's back

1:31:32 Pulling in a bunch of documents that you have to analyze. You're not redoing any reporting your analyzing intelligence analyst. That's what you are, you're sitting plowing that's what they do and all these go watch the series Rubicon it's on available on amazon.com is a free video you can watch it's a 13 episode series that discusses this in great detail and that's what they're asking but this is not journalism! It's a great idea It is a great idea, but you end up being part of the machine. Hello? Like they're not already part of the machine? Yeah they're part of the machine but it's high and mighty thing I don't think Pierre knows their part in the machine i think he's gonna find out and he's going to say stuff like this is now what I wanted to do

1:32:24 Well, I just want to finish up here with the last bits of frustration about this leak. This is just another 40 seconds of Skahill and why they... First of all SecureDrop was a new version of Aaron Schwartz's Deaddrop so they basically took the code from The Dead Kid And are marketing it as such under the name secure drop which has been checked by oh there He is again Jacob Applebaum did a security audit. This is why would you want a guy who's? From the Navy to look inside what you're doing, but okay That's the tour guy the tour network gets the same people over and over and over again Which I'm fine with because I think the idea is genius

1:33:12 No, I'm not going to comment on my personal employment status. This got leaked yesterday but i got woken up by a reporter calling me at 3am the other day asking me about my new venture with Glenn Greenwald and I was like what are you talking about? Now I know what Obama felt like when Snowden leaked all those... no just kidding! I've had minor leak in my life. A minor leak?! Give this guy the hook, I don't want hear anymore from him All I am saying is how can you trust this guy If he can't even keep something secret amongst the three people he's supposed to keep stuff secret about. No, you can't trust any of these people. And it's not about trust anyway it's about secure drop It's about Wikileaks isn't doing its job or Wikileaks is no no there are they are doing their job but let's take anything away from them and any mojo they might have and lets do in more commercial way maybe we make some serious money. Serious money exactly! Because the WikiLeaks guys don't know how to make a nickel and they got this one guy that guy is one of the... He's in the embassy

1:34:11 up in a moron so I'm telling you this is how that this is how it went Pierre, its Glenn. I got a great idea okay WikiLeaks meets eBay you gotta play this like movie pitch yeah of course they pitch well I betcha they pitched the movie too We've got Laura. Laura makes the movies, we get the whole thing will be documented everything's gonna happen it's going to be great. She'll makes movie too so you have two documentary people So what we need to do is A.) What in the movie? I guess your right we're gonna have to watch a movie probably wait until its on demand somewhere which may be next week. It might be HBO next week Yeah...we have to look at that but my feeling is Greenwald pop this out really quickly

1:35:02 From what I've read from Pierre, he was also kind of taken by surprise. But I can only see that it was Glenn Greenwald who told BuzzFeed...I can't see any other origin of the story and that's totally what this is. When I look at Glenn Greenwald like yeah he'll do that! That's the kinda guy he is. He will stab people in the back to get wherever Glenn Greenwald needs to go. Well he has his vision He doesn't see it as stabbing anybody in the back. No, no he sees it as here's the opportunity for a certain kind of promotion that is going to benefit us all and so I'm gonna do it! And I am gonna do this and I am gonna do that...He probably is the smartest guy in the room

1:35:44 you know, smarter than Pierre maybe not. Technology wise I doubt it but whatever the case is he sees he got this vision of this drop box kind of what it's called? It's dead drop now secure drop. Secure drop and how are you because he just sold that article to Le Monde with a French guy yeah and then made probably reasonable money but then he saw the opportunity to make this a business in itself which is to take crap and write it up as news. Yeah, exactly! It's not bad I think we're the only ones who figured that out

1:36:22 Well, they'll start to figure it out shortly once they start seeing what comes out of this operation. If anything I think it could collapse in the meantime but...I think its a money maker! And I think we're both right about Wikileaks doesn't know how to make money with all this stuff They got shh..They have...It's like Money In The Bank when people drop off at Wikileaks if you want to write it up Yeah well your right It is not necessarily journalism No it's not journalism at all Its analyst It's intelligence analyst. What am I looking for? I've got that theme going into me, I can't talk! Analytics... vaca cipher You're never gonna get that. Do you know why I get it? Because I wrote it down. Vacuous. Cipher. Vacuous. I wrote it down. Just basically being one of those analysts that ends up talking

1:37:15 out of their butts on MSNBC and elsewhere. Okay, well I think we got that's it for that we're done earlier were talking about there is a little thing coming up this kind of interesting and i would im gonna put in the red book us some other stuff but I have two clips when I was going to play the last show and I still have here and did kinda introduces this situation played as clip Saudi Arabia and the UN Saudi Arabia appeared to reject its newly acquired seat on the UN Security Council today. It accused the 15-member body of failing to resolve international conflicts like this civil war in Syria Its foreign ministry issued a statement that said, allowing the ruling regime in Syria to kill it's people is clear proof and evidence of the UN Security Council inability to perform its duties and shoulder its responsibilities

1:38:14 But UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he is yet to receive official notification of Saudi Arabia's withdrawal. Well, the official notification came through and it was interesting and it caught the White House off guard. Everybody was all in a tizzy over there and I had some other clips on this but I can probably summarize it better They Saudis have been put help making us to help promote them to the Security Council They've been as one reporter said coveting the role right and so they got it, and then they said nah screw We don't want it because this sucks Because their mean and they kind of pointed at us And now there you know bitchin about we didn't do this. We didn't do that and now all kinds of these analysts are coming out saying well You know we had

1:39:00 Two are our best allies in the Middle East were always Saudi Arabia and Egypt in the Egypt situation fell apart And the Saudis were irked that we threw Mubarak under the bus and all this is going on So I'm thinking what the heck is for one thing? I think Saudi Arabia's now gonna be targeted for a takeover so he can steal their oil which is fine But it's gonna cause all kinds of repercussions especially in the area in the region John in the region yeah, and the region so I'm thinking Who is behind this because it's not the Russians because the Saudis wanted to get rid of Assad and the Russians want To keep them so that's not them. I believe that Chinese have started to meddle Hmm has they've been meddling we saw their places They were building in Libya yeah, you know they had a whole town there was going up They were and all do you know they got most of Africa already? Let's put it this way the Chinese are It's about time. They did something to stop our

1:39:57 insane advance on their crap. Yeah So the Chinese I believe are somehow behind this and i don't have any evidence of this but it's the only thing that makes sense because they're the ones who probably goaded the Saudis you know to turn on us. And now, when you hear other discussions... This has been going on most of the public stations When you hear other discussions you hear this one too. This is kind of a meme that's going around Oh! What happens if we buy all our military supplies from the United States? What would happen to us, we're too dependent. What would happen to us if the United States pulled the plug on spare parts? Now there's a couple of things that think about in this one The Chinese are the major makers of spare parts for American products We take all their counterfeit parts and put them into our airplanes Yeah, the parts are no good by the way Most of them you know are off spec

1:40:53 But that doesn't matter, because they can sell these things. We buy off-spec stuff all the time and you know wings fall off... People don't realize how important specs are for bolts! You'd be amazed Yeah it's actually true so the Chinese just make the cheap crap I think the Chinese are horning in on on the defense stuff. I think they're going to first start with the parts, they're gonna come and then we're gonna start... We already started to see some Chinese jets being manufactured now. Hold on let me play this back what you're saying You're saying that our tool is military stuff, military industrial complex but mainly stuff that we sell to our partners like the Saudis and we would say hey Saudis if you don't shut up

1:41:42 Don't wrath if you don't shut up We're gonna stop the supply of parts and your stuff's gonna fall apart But maybe we've said that in so many words and the Chinese are saying hey want some parts And by the way, we can get you some brand new stuff. Look at this shiny plane over here So I think exactly that it's going to we're gonna start to see a slow shift though what we have to do is we could get a hold of our contacts over there and our economic hitmen folks, and try to see what the connection if there's any connection between China and Saudi Arabia that is worth noting. Because they're definitely not on the Russian side on this deal The Russians have got nothing to do with this Saudi decision to jump the Security Council And it has got nothing to do with us So its gotta be somebody else and who else would? There are only three players in the Chinese or third player It has got to them doing something They're sneaking around

1:42:39 Interesting analysis. Yeah, we'll see what happens I agree that the White House was completely caught off guard about this and then I will say the first thing I thought was up more Russian crap But this makes more sense yeah, I like it a lot Yeah, I was trying to put a Russian thing in there And I couldn't do it besides that the Russians you know could use another no vote on the Security Council I don't just don't understand how the Chinese managed to do this but they did There's an analysis clip you might want to play of this Saudi relationship which kind of outlines some of this. Mr. Bannerman, you were talking about your long experience there many... This is a deep relationship right? I mean explain it put the present into that larger context how important is this relationship has it been? This relationship has been a cornerstone of the American relations in the region for

1:43:31 50 years, as has the relationship with Egypt since the peace treaty. We have both those countries... The future of that relationship is in question now from the policies we're undertaking and so I think United States is facing a potential up serious changes in the balance of forces in the region because our relationship is changing with the two states that are most important to us which has which has potential in what kind of areas all kinds of various across the region because it will be because our relationship with Saudi Arabia and Egypt, we've been the dominant force for the last 50 years within the Arab context. There's been no rivals The Soviet Union is gone Russia is there but no one has been able to rival us If these relationships were to change The American role in the region would be reduced We're still the world's most important power We still will be important there But our position will be different One part of that relationship clearly is military You were able to talk to some US officials Military officials And former military official

1:44:23 It's been the crucial military relationship along with the US relationship. Who is this lady? This is the woman that used to be one of the anchors on The News Hour and now they shoved her out into the field and she has become a correspondent, it's Margaret Warner you know the woman with eyes too close set... Her eyes are too close set so the Gates Foundation said she's not presentable as a... That's right get her off! That's exactly what happened. Bill went, she doesn't look hot get her off Yeah, that's how it goes people. Egypt in the region since the early 50s The US is the major arms supplier to Saudi Arabia It has a commitment to protect the kingdom The kingdoms always regarded that as as a bulwark of their position there So for Saudi Arabia and the US still maintains despite an very ostentatious withdrawal of u.s Forces after the first Gulf War Still maintains a presence there To train and equip

1:45:25 and manage the weaponry that we sell to Saudi Arabia. We read that all the time on the show where there's another two, three billion dollar sale and it's like one million dollars of needles and then 1.9 billion dollars other Yeah, that's what that is. I'm told there is a two-star general there that the U.S. helps train the Saudi National Guard one job of which is to protect the Saudi royal family on the other hand so it's hard to know where they would go for all this weaponry on the other hand to the US its also very important they were an important ally in the first Gulf War The role was a little murkier in the second Iraq war

1:46:09 took a neutral stance, but there have been reports that they were helpful in that. There have been reports unconfirmed of secret US drone bases in Saudi Arabia more recently because the US and Saudi Arabia still share the goal of combating jihadi terrorism so it's hard to see how that military relationship gets extricated but if the political bonds do then you know who knows? Did she say hee-hawdy Maybe. It didn't sound like jihad, it sounded like heehadi. Heehadi! Yeah okay well that'll be very interesting to watch Well yeah the kind of the interesting thing about there's a number of aspects to that but I think you're on something There is a couple things going on and we will follow up on this and find out

1:47:07 There's something up and it's the only explanation is the Chinese. It's always the Chinese! These guys are big, it's a big country they got lots of people yeah all right um Big props to you John C Dvorak as we were talking about the fires in Australia and uh... in fact i'd just to prove i pulled the clip that you played from uh... false calm uh... bank on that then catch it's been drinking housing and here is a nice training of the country's military says its investigating whether major bush fires are linked to an explosive straining exercise on its land well and john not only

1:47:54 Did you put us on the path? You were completely right. Now I want to remind everybody that these bushfires are... they started early, it's October so and this is Australia goes into its summer and what was weird about this is this the first time the fires were all near Sydney and here is the mayor of the region Whenever you don't know what you're talking about, just say the region. That's how we do it in news Talking about how this actually was started by the military Mayor Greenhill, a few moments ago the RFS put out a statement confirming that the state mine fire near Lithgow was started as a result of live ordnance exercises on Murangaroo Army Range. The fire started on Wednesday there were no total fire bans at the time, the statement points out in view what you've just said about what your community's been through and the efforts of the firefighters over the past week how do you feel about that revelation?

1:48:53 Look, I'm not happy. Okay so he's not happy but... But of course that didn't stop the usual suspects before this news came out and by the way this will be the only media program that will call these a-holes on it let's see Al Gore. Mr. Gore, we're also having something of a national debate about the connection between climate change and bushfires and the Australian Prime Minister has said in the last couple of hours that bushfires are a function of life in Australia and nothing to do with climate change what you make those remarks? Well it's not my place to get involved in your politics but it reminds me all politicians here in the United States

1:49:42 who got a lot of support from the tobacco companies and who argued to the public. Al, it wasn't started by global warming! There was absolutely no connection between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer And for 40 years the tobacco companies were able... Cue up the douchebag! Oh yeah don't worry To persuade pliant politicians within their grip to tell the public what they wanted them to tell them and for 40 years the tragedy continued. Bushfires can occur naturally, and do but the science shows clearly that when the temperature goes up and when vegetation and soils dry out then wildfires become more pervasive and more dangerous That's not me saying it! That is what the scientific community says. Bitch look it up its science! Thats right! Douchebag

1:50:41 So of course he looks kind of stupid in hindsight, but not as stupid as both Christiana on I'm poor well I used to like a lot as a journalist and then she went to you go to ABC And then she went back to CNN and something happened. Well She went there she was for a while She was on the 60-minute show that she really couldn't handle that level I think what happened is You're right they saw that she really she had a whole thing going you know the Arab vibe and you know she could... no, no. She had something going on and it just fell apart on her because she didn't really have it. Yeah well or maybe just the warranty expired on something I don't know that's weird so she is with a new puppet on the scene who was now out there with a new climate change communication UN Climate Chief Cristiana Figueres I think that's how you pronounce your name? And have you seen this woman

1:51:42 No, I'm gonna look her up. How do you spell her last name? I think it's F-I-G-U-E-R-E-S Let me see... Cristiana Figueres UN climate chief She is kind of like a... You know like an IMF woman What's her name uh... What's the... Oh come on Lagarde Yeah yeah what was her name? Like Lagarde She got the short hair John Crist... Is this Jean Christophe Figaro? No this is Karen Cristiana Figueres Figueres. Yeah, looks like Figueroa to me She is the executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change also known as the UNFCCC I can't find her Cristiana Figueres if you google it that name Cristiana... That's what we're doing and getting nothing You're binging it aren't you?

1:52:37 No, I'm not binging it. I don't bing it sometimes after midnight maybe Alright so you've got a picture now you see her I have she's a total. She's the only one I got Christian figure right what oh there? She is she the woman with the scarf She's the one who looks like she should be an upper-class twit that One or she the wall no, it is another was a bunch of these people or she's The same woman though the one with blue shirt and the scarf like a like a KLM stewardess Yeah, she looks at a stewardess night But then if you are and she looks like an old woman and yet she has a lot of look she's got she's good for TV She's great for TV

1:53:17 She has a professional experience, see Minister Counselor at the Embassy of Costa Rica in Bonn in Germany. Very good! Directed the work of all departments of the embassy okay return to coast she's from Costa Rica actually she was named Director of International Cooperation in the Ministry of Planning oh god what a dream job yeah I'm the ministry of planning I'm gonna plan something she and her husband moved to DC. Oh wonder what her husband does? Don't see here he must be doing something Okay, anyway so now she's a muckety-muck and she's out there And she's promoting climate change what we need to do about it and She in the Christiana on poor got sucked into the bushfires fires But also the politics behind trying to figure out climate change first and foremost is that a link between

1:54:04 between climate and wildfires, brush fires. Oh well John as undersecretary of the United Nations framework convention on climate change what would your answer be? We're all gonna die! Yes there is absolutely now the World Meteorological Organization has not established the direct link between this wildfire and climate change yet Okay, not yet. In fact they didn't because it was set off by the military however what is absolutely clear is the science is telling us that there are increasing heat waves in Asia Europe and Australia that these will continue that they will continue in their intensity and in their frequency so what we've just seen on the screen is an example of what we may be looking at unless we

1:54:59 We take actually vigorous action. Ah, okay! Vigorous action that makes somebody money with cap and trade Well so it's very nice that she is on I appreciate her being on the show because she is giving us the new talking point and the talking point Well, of course we need to price carbon. Right? Because if we then price it then we can trade it and then we can do all these... It's a financial instrument and it's just another way of printing money essentially. Here is this thing – I think that's actually correct – here is the thing, we all exhale it but only certain people get to count it

1:55:35 it's going to have a price on it and that will be a commodity that you can trade and whenever there's trading just look at the stock market today. There's billions if not trillions of money, of monies to be made. We need more vehicles! That would be the way you'd say it we don't have enough trading vehicles and this one is a gem. Thank You John yeah this is why we do this show together It's another trading vehicle and the meme You're already praying the price for climate change. You're saying though by not having the carbon tax it could have the same effect on people? Or worse, because we are already as you have just pointed out we are really already paying the price of carbon

1:56:17 Okay, so here's the idea. We're paying but listen to what... We are already paying the price why do we need to give a shit? Well listen to what she says. We are already paying the price! Just listen closely. We're paying the price with wildfires, we're paying the price for droughts, we're playing though the um the uh the price with so many other disturbances to the hydrological cycle. Disturbances to the hydrological cycle?! Wait, wait for it. That is all the price that we're paying so what we need to do is put a price on carbon So that we don't have to continue to pay the price of carbon Did you hear what she just said? It was my favorite say that again She's crazy What she says is we need to put a price on carbon so we don't need to pay the price of carbon On carbon so that we don't have to continue to play the price of carbon Wow

1:57:04 That's good, isn't it? What you've just seen on the screen is one scenario, Christiane. And it is a scenario that we would walk toward unless we take as I say vigorous action but there's another scenario. The scenario she's pointing to is the huge fire. It's Sodom and Gomorrah on the screen of fire! Okay what we have seen are just introductions to the doom and gloom that we will be facing. But that's not the only scenario It is just an introduction! This fire you see? That is just an introduction Wait until you meet Satan We could, as humankind, take vigorous action And have a very different scenario That is a scenario worth examining Oh...and then I wind it up with She has two phrases here

1:58:05 And I googled this and couldn't really find what she's talking about. But what about then, trying to convince people that this is something you actually have to tackle quickly before it becomes irreversible? What is the timeline that we as a human species... And they were reversible for the last decade according to these people! How much time do we have John? It's too late let's just give up Before this becomes irreversible We have very little time. Very little time. In fact, would you look at the time? I gotta go! The important thing is that we still have time although in as much as we delay we are closing the window upon ourselves but we do have time what we know is that we have to reach global peaking that means we have to get to the maximum current... Global peaking

1:58:57 Now, tell me if you can find global peaking and then this next phrase. Currently the trajectory of emissions is still going up we're still rising so we have to get to the global peaking point this decade and then begin our trajectory down as opposed to up which is where we are and we have to get to zero net emissions zero net emissions not zero missions but zero net emissions by the second half of the century. Oh they changed Bill Gates meme! Zero Net Emissions You can google this all you want I can't find a straight answer on zero net emissions and global peaking. Global peaking? What is this? Well, some they're gonna make it up as they go along this would be like peak oil okay so her husband is Conrad von Ritter Heil!

1:59:44 World Bank. Oh no! Now let me read this little clip, now this is from a... I'm gonna read you something from the... Wait a minute hold on a second You're telling me that the lady who was out there pushing The next financial vehicle Is married to A guy who works...is he big at the bank? As far as i can tell yet But he's at the bank and he is sitting in this, this is from 2007 when they were worried sick because it was near the end then. This was an event...

2:00:23 at a meeting called the Earth Negotiations Bulletin. That's where it was published, special report on the selected side events of the 26 sessions of the subsidiary bodies SB26 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change so he is in on this deal and here is what he says when they are doing this synopsis of the meeting with bunch of guys sitting 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 guys on the dais Conrad von Ritter World Bank said that in response to CDM barriers and CDM barriers. I don't know what that means, you can look it up while i'm talking but it's got something to do with Africa the world bank developed a carbon finance assistance program for Africa with the support of a number of bilateral donors

2:01:08 He noted that the program focuses on overcoming barriers providing institutional capacity. A lot of this is below just what John said. Oh, CDM John? Clean Development Mechanisms! Okay got it. That's what this meeting was about and engaging finance and private sector participation so they're trying to buffalo the Africans into buying in on all this because they're still burning like stuff into you know burning pieces of wood in their houses Interesting. I'm going to look into this a little more, this group. Now i'd just like to say something because we get a lot of flack

2:01:44 that we are anti-science. Oh, we're not the other science! We're Republicans I was actually a chemist and trained as a scientist and also an inspector for the air pollution district. I'm actually trained...I'm actually a scientist You know, I took it in college did it for a living These people aren't...that say this about us They're just bunch of guys who got degrees in English So can I... Just buy anything they'll hook line and sinker they soak it up I just want to understand You were trained as a chemist, you studied chemistry in college. You are an air pollutions inspector for the People's Republic of California I was also a chemist per se and analytic chemists for Union Oil An analytic chemist for Union Oil makes total sense

2:02:33 that you are, you're on the payroll still. Clearly! You are still on the union... Does Union Oil stil exist? Who is Union Oil? Now it's Unikel. Oh better It was a shame that Union Oil was a great company I have to say But I've said this before in the show a number of years ago, say it again. The oil companies they would lecture us every so often to have them big meeting and they'd show us all the slides about why we had to go to unleaded gasoline this was during that era and they were...the oil companies at least from what i could tell unless there were somebody in the back room saying laughing to themselves They were all-in on the peak oil idea 100% in

2:03:14 So I have read the IPCC reports. We have deconstructed some of that on the show where possible, the science is not in these are models... The models have been proven wrong to date and all that is said is oh well you know we got better models now those are computers from five years ago now we have new computers so far uh the models have been wrong this is all predictive this is not science this is computer predictive models the same models that have predicted many other interesting things such as where the volcanic ash would be oh boy the skies over europe were never so blue it was beautiful um but what we're seeing

2:03:58 And what we're pointing out, and I'm all for keeping the world clean. And of course! I want nuclear! Oh, I'm sorry that's all gonna kill us with radiation Get your iodine everybody there in California John did you take your iodine? Because you're going to die! You're gonna die!! The cloud is coming!!! I've seen it on the web What we take offense to, literally offense to is this financial vehicle that they've been trying to create. Al Gore started this he had the carbon exchange He was a co-investor in the carbon exchange That all got thwarted because things just didn't work out and he continues to try Come all for a cleaner world but The CO2 emission taking that and turning it into a financial vehicle

2:04:49 When there's little proof of what it's really doing just supposition and predictive models I can't get on board with that. I just can't you know, what's funny is that the same people? I don't know if you're actually communicating this message to the Dreyfus girl who's not listening by the way is... Yes she is, I guarantee you she is. Is the idea that these people that are all you know it's science! It's not debatable which is the one clip you won't play anymore which is the Molly Wood clip. I have it somewhere. Is that they're all in on this and things like air power and wind power and all the solar power and every all these alternative things but

2:05:37 The science is also in on nuclear. I mean it's been studied to death and there are products you can buy, small nukes that you could put in a neighborhood and power the neighborhood for the next 120 years with using up as much energy as you want almost free. And none of them are in on that they're all this dangerous we're all gonna die! And they listen to the phony baloney reports on Fukushima which everybody knows nuclear engineers that listen to the show, not a lot but we have more than a typical show and they're always feeding us information telling us what these bogus reports are all about. And it's all just deep to push everyone to natural gas I mean that's like the big thing so we can blow up all the shale beds in around the world. Follow the money!

2:06:24 This is where the money is. You don't want, if you are running a big energy company do you think for one second that the boss, the big evil bosses with the white pussies they're stroking all day at the oil companies that they give a rat's ass what their selling you as long as they can sell it to you? If they could really make money off of nuclear then they'd be doing it! But thats the problem. Nuclear, you put a little football in there and goes for 50 years And it's like, oh well we can't keep selling stuff over and over and over again. So what is the next logical thing? And conspiratorially speaking I've always been suspicious of that tsunami

2:07:04 Play the oil shale commercial. They got a new little meme, mini-meme in there that I think is kind of cool. Americans are asking just what will our energy future look like? Well it could look very bright! New technologies are safely unlocking vast domestic supplies of oil and natural gas like energy from shale and with smart policies we can create even more great jobs could generate billions to fund schools, roads and other services. So what does all that look like? A secure energy future for generations to come. Log on to learn more

2:07:40 So the term that I thought was interesting, and maybe JC or somebody noticed it immediately is energy from shale. Not gas from shale. And the term fracking of course can't be used in such a commercial public service announcement But energy from shale. Ooh, you can get energy from shale! I'm sure a lot of people are all... oohh! Energy from shale? Yeah yeah, I've heard something like that. It's called steam. Yeah it's called steam. It's not steam it's the gas that comes out when they frack the shale Oh, that's your energy from shale? Okay

2:08:22 Yeah, it's fracking. You frack the shale down there by the way they had a graphic but what you can barely is near the core of the earth that so far away you still burn it to create energy oh yeah in the long run yeah but they're referring to as them that's a fracking you frack the shale you pull out the natural gas and yet then burn it and make steam which is the same thing a nuke does without all the work yeah and and you know we're looking at thorium cesium all these well thorium I think is really this thoriums the hot you got the breeder reactors that eat their own poop There's no waste. But you get guys I respect, like Joe Rogan who was tweeting out stuff that... What was the tweet he sent here? Headline! 28 signs the West Coast is being absolutely fried with nuclear radiation from Fukushima This is the problem And it actually beautiful the way this going if your on big oil big gas side Is even people in alternative media

2:09:23 are so suspect of their government lying that they think... For good reason. Yes, that there's some big cover-up about nuclear and let me tell you Germany they're on a collision course with this umwende I think is what they call it shut down all the nuclear plants they're subsidizing everything I had a conversation with them They're gonna go broke doing this by yes they are I had a conversation... The French have not bought into this No but listen here's here's the conversation here's how it goes I'll say look solar and wind it just doesn't add up you know it costs more to make and it's not profitable. And here is what you hear, my neighbors are selling their energy back to the energy company and they're making money! Like its all subsidized

2:10:15 This is what people don't understand. There are windmills, in fact most of these giant windmills are their own LLC with investors! You can buy into a windmill and it's a bonanza because of the subsidies But it doesn't... Yeah, no. It's the government gives you money to do it there was the same thing with the solar stuff in California when they were subsidizing it by I think 33% of the total cost yeah You could actually make the calculations showing that you'd do a little better than you would without the solar so you'd make out and save few bucks on your PG&E bill but then once they pulled the plug on that which they did now there is..you can rationalize it and nobody put any solar gear up because of it Zero

2:11:06 So your friends here at the No Agenda Show are not anti-science. They're not Republicans. Anti-bullcrap! Here, you want to look up something funny? Get your Google going... Can I use Bing? No, I think Google's better and type in windmill fires Have you seen these giant... Yeah yeah yeah, now I know these are the ones that you can...yeah of course I've seen them These are the ones you buy in and they catch on fire commonly Yes because of the friction Yeah, it's moving parts. You know a lot of stuff There's a lot of fires is what's going on there? Have you look at them if you go to images and then type go to images no No I see it By the way, I just can't I can't what did you call that clip twit did you oh

2:12:06 What twit? The thing about science that you said I won't play, which of course i will. I just can't find what you called it... I don't think I called a twit Maybe Science No thats the one that Science is in Well maybe its Twit Play and see what it says I cant no Its your clip Im searching this is why im not My clip naming stinks Yeah yeah It does it tends to stink and I feel bad about it It's a little hard to I mean, I got a lot of these clip names or just make no I look at him myself Here. I'm doing the show with you and I'm looking at the clip list and I'm thinking I read the clip name I go what the hell is that about? And I try to be more descriptive but

2:12:53 Then again, it's like... I don't know why I'm inept at this but I am. I can't name clips properly. It was only a couple shows ago but i can't find it. No, it was a while back. Horse, we got a few people to thank! Including horse presents in Pacifica, California for $170.66. It's a hundred four dollars plus my dollar an episode annual donation plus 66 66 sack of sixes nice Thank you Jeremy Goldworthy in Midland, Michigan came in with 166.56 and I put all the notes from everybody in one place... Yeah you know I don't care about how you name clips but some of these notes we should probably

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2:19:20 from Reykjavik and by the way so I got a note. Right, I did it. I think it's Reykjavik. Reykjavik. So I got a note from the guy because I said like the town is great but I made a generalization about what I thought to describe the Icelandic situation which was a bunch of drunks lousiest food in the world. How about women are they hot? Oh the women are terrific Terrific. They're all beautiful, I think that if there's... That's when you're drunk! Every woman in Iceland is like gorgeous and they are all tall redhead or blonde Nice. And so I had all these generalizations he told me, I was at least 10 years which is when I went to Iceland about ten years ago. I said 10 years behind the times and he says for one thing the Icelanders and by the way find this incredibly hard to believe having eaten there that the Icelanders have become the forefront of the foodie movement

2:20:16 in the northern climes and there's like you get really great food in Iceland now apparently is a bunch of famous chefs and this all of this I also bitched about the expressionist art that was so popular says that stuff's gone by the wayside. And then my what really disappointed me as I said well, you know in Iceland when you take when your in this hotel or wherever are you take a shower and they they run the geyser water through the hot waterside and you get sprayed with the sulfuric water it's SO2 comes off You just stink. He says that ended, so I'm thinking, geez... Why bother? Yeah! All the good stuff is gone By the way, I always believed there was health benefits to those showers

2:21:00 But it's good you can't we never catch a cold in Iceland because of that. Yeah, sir funk Josh McDonald and Brunswick Victoria 6969 Raymond breasts wrestler in Arlington Washington and that closes our Nathan Howell 69 plane New Lenox Illinois Morton Keeman Kimon Tiernan keep Oh, that's right. I can never see them on the screen. Kiernan in Copenhagen 6666 Baron there is a Janis King again. T-Bag. Baronetus and these are all for our 6th anniversary. Are you sure it is the 28th and not the 26? Yeah look it up! We decided we discussed this a million times yeah I keep forgetting You're the one that made us stink about me saying it was the 26th No you were saying the 23rd

2:21:59 No, I never said the 23rd. Okay our first show ever was...I have it here on the 26th Oh it wasn't? Yes 10-26 2007 Hold on a second Go to noagendanation.com Well then how did we keep thinking its the 28th? I don't know you're in charge of that part of the show You're in charge of newsletters and scheduling I'm also the head of the peerage committee, am i? Yes. That's too much work! You do the finances... Okay we still celebrate this show on Sunday it just so happens that the anniversary is on Saturdays if anybody wants to get a donation in an exact day will be saturday. That would be nice but just so were clear you really botched this one

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2:25:58 No agenda and biscuits. Something me alive, because there's some of the scrawl here that looks very French... During a week of my driving on windy Czech roads." So here 66 in... something or other for J. Bullden. People we're happy to read your notes but you know come on! I know, that's what i'm saying. But here is the joke of it He didn't send 6666 He sent $1200 in KORUNAS Oh very nice! KRONERS No they are called KORUNAS You said CORONAS Well uh... KORUNA Kroners? Isn't it Kroners? No no no It's K-O-R-U-N-A If you look at up that's what it is

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2:28:16 Well we could yeah celebrate different day. We can do a different day I mean, i'm going to celebrate at home. You guys sound like us. Here's what we'll do also...I'm gonna celebrate Saturday by prepping for the Sunday show how does that sound? That's pretty much what we do Yeah, it's a celebration of sorts. I am looking forward to that that should be that should be a lot of fun so hit us up with a sack of sixes we'd love that and of course thank you so much for supporting us throughout the years and we hope you continue to do so i will of course be doing a big edit of the healthcare.gov C-SPAN broadcast which I'm sure will be worth listening to sounds like a comedy already yes from anyone who listens to this show who has half an inkling about

2:29:00 anything. Well, I'm sure you'll get quite a kick out of it obviously. Alright apparently i messed up on Sunday so I have a make good birthday call-out from Dame Elise Garling to her sister Brielle I guess i didn't do the pronunciation right. Always happy to do something for our Danes though! Also on this list, Bust Brannings turns 34 on the 25th Carol Reed says happy birthday to son Sir Simon Reed of New York on the 26th that'll be our anniversary as well Kenneth Mikkelbast or Mikkle-Bust

2:29:43 It says happy birthday to Marius Shortland Mikkelbass, 32 on the 24th today and Christopher Ward celebrated 33 on the 21st. Happy birthday from all your buddies here at The Best Podcast in the Universe! And then we have quite a list of knights. This is really... Yeah, this is a weird situation Well I don't think so it's just people are topping up you know? It's like you get to that level and there ya are! But no but this is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 this is a record! Ow! Cut my thumb. I cut my thumb. I got my sword out. I need a plaster. I need a plaster Alright I would like to have here at the round table Peter Wessner Ashley Jones

2:30:28 Andrew Gamble, Peter McConnell Richard Gardner, Basz Branix and Brett Farrell I hereby pronounce thee all Knight to the Noah Jenner Roundtable we have Sir Peter Wessner Sir Jack Mormon Justin sir Oscar sir Peter McConnell sir Richard Gardner sir Basz Branix and sir Bett Farrell Congratulations Welcome to the round table for you I'm just, this is such a long list. I need more music! And Brett uh... Hold on i got it here. It's uh what? Brett what? Yes Black Knight from Cincinnati

2:31:07 For all of you, my God I can't believe this. For your contributions to the best podcast in the universe and the amount of $1,000 or more we thank you and offer for you here at The Roundtable opium and warm orange juice hookers and blow three geishas on a bucket of fried chicken rempoys and chardonnay hot pants and booze long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch if you're into that Rubin S women and rosé vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider and escorts or mutton and mead! And thank you again for producing your no agenda show because there's a lot of work yeah i'm tired and I cut my thumb too. Oh uh got a couple things, I got a couple shorties before you go on all righty couple shorties this is good just news that people need to know about Brunei goes Sharia is one of the interesting little stories that popped up

2:31:57 Salt in the Brunei, wait before you... Oh sorry. I was just saying that since you stalled there i was going to set it up a little bit with the salt in the brunei we have to remember he once extolled as the richest man in the world and he was always on Lifestyles of The Rich and Famous and would fly what's his name around got apparently amazed by hookers or something and he is the guy who built the kitchens for Le Cirque restaurant in Manhattan because that's where he eats when he comes into town and now this The oil kingdom of Brunei will soon be under Islamic criminal law. The ruling sultan announced today that enforcement of the Sharia penal code will begin in six months. Penalties include amputations for convicted thieves and stoning for those who commit adultery. Brunei already bans the sale of alcohol and evangelism by other religions It's the Texas of Saudi Arabia!

2:32:53 As a place we got to visit. We gotta go and put a big cork in my face so I don't say anything wrong And then there's this story that was kind of odd which, I'd never heard about the Bishop of Bling but apparently it's some guy who by the way is very weird looking but he's the Bishop of Bling In Germany Yeah, and he I guess the I guess he finally got called out by the Pope because the Pope's a Jesuit for the poor you know and this guy. The pope is taking the bus to work Our instant index begins with lifestyles of the rich and holy some tough love from Pope Francis today suspending the so-called Bishop of Bling who flew first class spent 42 million dollars to renovate his home in Germany

2:33:40 and even had a $20,000 bathtub. He was summoned to the Vatican for face-to-face with the Pope but tonight the Vatican will not say how long that suspension will last. It's funny this was one of those throwaway reports that everyone reported on The bathtub went from 10,000 to 15,000 to 20,000. You know people need be ashamed of yourselves with all this stupid bull crap news do some real news! And here's another thing that is going on which I still have you're in Texas so you must have picked up on this because it has gotta be all over the news in Texas I think its a hoax that go out of control and I tweeted that was

2:34:25 Which is this idea that there's some lame football team in Texas, high school. That lost to one of the championship teams because Texas has got a lot of really great high school football teams 91-0 and supposedly some parents sued the coach No no no no no... Do you have a clip where someone says sued? No. No, I'm telling you this is the meme! They say it all over here and I didn't think I needed a clip that's all they talked about on all the talk shows but there's no way this is a bullshit story! I have the story here Running the ball into the end zone Alitos Cats Friday made one touchdown after another winning their game 91 to nothing

2:35:13 That's a cremation, is what that is. I wish at some point they could just say okay game over why even finish it? Apparent for the opposing team Fort Worth's Western Hills considered it more than just a painful loss Alito ISD says he filed an official complaint online against its entire coaching staff for bullying That's what really happened Five so that got out of control from some guy just bitching online. Yeah, he went on the school website Remember we had those forms and he filled out the form and said the entire coaching staff bullied And then this I'm glad you're in Texas because we could not I dug and dug and dug I could not I knew this was a bullcrap story You know what? This is but it's just to make Texans look stupid

2:35:59 Well, I think it has two purposes. It definitely makes Texans look stupid but that's a common thing and you get used to it! I know people in Texas who say when any news happens the media comes and finds the dumbest toothless guy they can find and asks for his opinion She told me that is all she has ever seen on the news. She's been a lifelong Texas person well anyway so that I knew this was good. I'm glad that you got to the bottom of it because I was concerned but the other reason for is all the right-wing talk shows can get all worked up about oh bullying is like, you know this has gotten out of control, you know there's terrible and they went on time yeah moaned and groaned Well let me throw a shorty at ya This is something we have discussed We have prognosticated We have put in the red book

2:36:52 We have held steadfast as fact, truth and the way it is for many many many years. And now someone finally did a survey... This is Scientific American's 60-Second Science. I'm Erika Barris, got a minute? Other side effects can include internal hemorrhaging heart rupture brain rupture rabies loss of eyesight or smell... Medications come with long lists of potential side effects now a study finds that the litany of unpleasant consequences does not deter prospective purchasers in fact those warnings might actually increase drug sales

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2:38:26 There you go. We've always said no, but this is not news we've discussed this years ago No, this is a new survey Oh to prove it yeah However if we had done the stirred that if we had done the survey we clearly would have put uh... tongue protrudes in snake-like motion and anal leakage may occur you mean like John Kerry? yeah what is with his tongue I don't know man, he's freaky it sticks out. It's a little bitty thin little snake like tongue and it keeps sticking it out keep sneaking out on us little frightening okay let me try this one on you this is a good business story no you didn't get nobody in the country has gotten its a local story but i think it's a good one pepper spray cop

2:39:15 Okay, former UC Davis police officer who pepper sprayed a row of seated campus protesters will get more money out of it than they did the judge just approved at $38,000 workers comp settlement between John Pike and the university he claims that he suffered depression and anxiety due to death threats The protesters each received thirty thousand dollars in damages You know the pepper spray cop, the one that became a meme right? That's that guy. He got more money than the kids. I'm psychologically burdened! And what do we get? We get called out as Republicans and deniers

2:39:58 Here's a good one. Can I do something here? Yeah, after this Zuckerberg pay... This is the sacrifice we're making listen what this guy does We learned tonight Mark Zuckerberg makes $30,000 about every seven minutes The Facebook founders corporate compensation package last year was worth a record-breaking 2.3 billion dollars Oh right okay whatever i don't really don't care power to him Just put things in perspective. No, you know what? I'm over that. I personally...I know you're not. I've been to the mountaintop my friend. All right go play your cards! I have been at the global peaking and i have learned that it's better to have zero net wallet

2:40:47 It's the way to go and I'm very successful at it. We're doing a lot of zero peaking as it speaks, global peaking what am I saying? Okay this is from Gitmo Nation Lowlands and this is an example of how news media is just making people insane every single year it crops up again but this year there was little twist The annual celebration, as you know John in the Netherlands there never was a Santa Claus or a Father Christmas or some fat dude come down the chimney. Instead of the 25th December with the Santa Claus red suit elves reindeer, the Dutch have Sinterklaas and Sinterklaas comes on December 5

2:41:35 That is his big day. He's dressed like the Pope, he rides on a white horse and he has his helpers the Black Peets And this of course throughout the years of cultural Marxism I'm sorry multicultural integration has become quite the issue with The Politically Correct A tradition that has been going on for 170 years Has to stop because it's racist And this, we've talked about this at least three or four years in a row. Would you say? Yeah and sometimes in between So now there's a new twist to it as this pops up again A woman from the United... Wait stop stop wait how far back does this tradition go I think 170 years or something Oh okay It's new then What do you mean its new? European standards that is new

2:42:33 So what was new this year is a woman by the name of Vereen Shepherd of the United Nations, actually to be quite specific. The United Nations Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent But we actually didn't know that was what she was in, it's just the woman from the United Nations. And she sent on United Nation letterhead to the Prime Minister of The Netherlands a letter. Your Excellency, We have the honor to address you in our capacities as the chair rapporteur of the Working Group on People of African Descent

2:43:21 Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, independent expert on minority issues. Special rapporteur on the contemporary forms of racism racial discrimination xenophobia and related intolerance pursuant to human rights council resolution 1828-19666-19633 And then I'll skip a whole bunch The character image of Black Pete perpetuates a stereotype image of African people and people of African descent as second-class citizens. You gotta, it's in the show notes you got to read this. It sounds pretty funny now I'm looking at Black Pete here or at least one version yeah

2:44:00 And you think if they use actual Africans instead of guys in blackface that might allay some of this? Well, from the tradition. The origins really are that there were two ravens who turned into boys who then would go and and bring the kids presents, and the reason why they're black is because they go down the chimney. And that's why they got you know it doesn't matter The thing is it's a racial thing but she did an interview for one of the main news programs on television It's at the very end where she gives it away that she's full of crap because that of course is what I'm going to expose here But when you listen to this

2:44:45 This is how the United Nations or people affiliated with the United Nations go to work on their own agenda. She's from Jamaica, by the way. The working group cannot understand why it is that people in the Netherlands cannot see that this is a throwback to slavery and that in the 21st century this practice should stop! From what you're saying right now I get the impression that your mind already has made up As a black person...I feel if I were living in the Netherlands as a black person I would object to it

2:45:22 As a member of the working group, I'm obliged to do further investigation. But as a black person, if i lived in the Netherlands and saw this that I would object. How independent can your investigation be then? If you come here... But we can prove wrong! You go into it to find out if what people are saying is really what is going on. If we find out that our information is wrong, then we will change our position. But the information we have at this moment from the people from The Netherlands who come to our meeting and who have been sending complaints to us is that it is racist It is a throwback to slavery and it should not happen That is a complaint that has come to us So we are going to see if this so or is this not so but you are right

2:46:19 My personal view is that in the 21st century this should not be happening. I just want to before we get to this end bit where she gives herself away, This is a cultural issue that the Netherlands itself needs to decide and it is a relatively small group of people who are complaining from the former Dutch colony of Suriname, I believe half of whom now live in The Netherlands and there is, they have been the ones that have legitimately been complaining but somehow they got this numbskull from the United Nations to write this letter on UN letterhead. And you'll hear... well first of all if Black Pete is a function of some guy who's covered with soot

2:47:11 I don't get it. You can be covered with soot and be called Black Pete. It's irrelevant! Culture changes all the time, if the Netherlands wants to make it Orange Pete or Green Pete they can figure it out we do not need the United Nations throwing around someone's huge UN dick trying to tell us what to do Our Prime Minister is walking away from from the problem he says that there are these cultural groups who keep this festival high, it's not government orientated so we cannot do anything about it. Well then if the government feels it is wrong then they should tell the cultural groups to stop doing it! The prime minister has the power

2:47:58 to change policy and to influence the groups that are keeping this habit. So if the Prime Minister is saying it's not government policy, it's up to these cultural groups then the Prime Minister, if he believes its wrong should then influence his cultural group It's offensive. We don't go around saying all white people look like this or all white people look like that, we don't do that! And what is wrong with the one Santa Claus? Why you have to have two Santa Clauses?! There ya' go... Showing she's a total moron She actually thinks there's two Santa Clauses in the Netherlands, the one that comes on the 25th and then this racist guy. By the way nothing about you know dwarfs and little people and cruelty to animals or whatever else but Vern Shepard

2:48:48 Ms. Vern Shepard actually works for the Institute of Gender and Development Studies, she's a consultant and she misused this letterhead because she happens to be a member of a working group that is very similar to the Presidential Innovation Fellows okay? What she really is apart of is the Caribbean Nations Slavery Compensation Program And this is what she's after. This is why she's a consultant There's a movement to go and...this just happened in the UK Had to pay money to descendants of colonies for slavery This is a new thing that's happening I have it here Mao Mao? Where was Mao Mao, John? Mao Mao

2:49:40 I was a British. The Mau Maus were in Africa, i don't know what you're talking about? Uh the Mau Mau... is that Africa well it's all about compensating people who uh were slaves and they should make those some of those African tribes who put these guys into slavery compensate them too yeah but that's not how it works with the guilt So what she's after is getting money, I believe is getting money for the former Dutch colonies in the West Indies. Remember she's from Jamaica from the West Indies so she stirred up this thing you have no idea how this got so out of control there are people yelling on television in Holland there's guys going like Santa Claus it's fake children! I mean at seven o'clock at night just to prove a point people are freaking out about

2:50:31 And everyone has an opinion and it all started with this woman. I mean, it started a long time ago of course but It's a cultural issue that the Netherlands can change if they want but this Verne Sheppard of the United Nations you hear how they come in? You hear how they talk even though she has no standing whatsoever This is the stuff you got to be careful of interesting Alright, well I got a couple of things we want to wrap up. A couple short items if you want to hear something short. Yeah? Well let's see there is a...

2:51:10 Environmental media awards were given out with a bunch of celebrities, but here's the other one You heard about the Facebook and the beheadings videos. Yeah? I've heard what is this all about Facebook announced today It's working on new ways to warn users about graphic violence on its site The social media giant issued the statement after an uproar over videos that show beheadings. Facebook banned such videos in May, but recently lifted the prohibition." Yeah! No side boob...but a beheading video is good. You can't have side boobs. There's a bunch of things they won't let you do on Facebook which is another reason not to be a member But what is the thing with beheadings?

2:51:51 You gotta have, you know, this is all infidels should have their heads chopped off here. Let me show you a video. It's disgusting! That's great I think we should do that here and why kill people with an injection? That's no good. Well that's what the French had, that's where they invented the guillotine because it always worked. They didn't have the incompetent head chopper that missed a couple times. And its quick Yeah. It's quick in a bucket now what state was talking about bringing back the gas chamber because they can't get the drugs? I don't know, it's hard to get lethal injection drugs anymore yeah because they're contaminated yeah

2:52:32 and people die really slowly and horribly. I think the guillotine is a good idea So, i have a clip of the woman behind Obama that passed out as a news story that's been floating around everybody seen it and they said about the patch on her arm and all this other stuff...I have a clip that has one little tidbit information that got my attention and you have to tell me what little tidbit in this clip got my attention. I'm 20 weeks pregnant at this point and i hadn't had that much to drink that morning because i was worried about possibly needing to go the bathroom during the speech so i wanted to avoid that. And then just as the sun hit me, i got a little bit light headed but uh... everything is okay now and back to normal

2:53:31 And she won't forget that visit to the White House. She was treated by the White House physician The president joked this is what happens when he talks too long Allison lives in San Diego, she graduated from UC Berkeley She was there representing the American Diabetes Association at today's event Well as a couple of things and this is one of those things I typically stay away from it because it's such a well she's a plant It wasn't the teleprompter So the teleprompter could be there. Let me give you my view and then I want to hear what you have to say. I clearly saw the woman next to her nudge her like give her an elbow

2:54:12 Just before it happened. I have no idea how the president knew what was happening? I looked over and didn't see anyone say anything there was a teleprompter because I saw the teleprompter in the Rose Garden oh There's always a telephone yeah Frankly, I don't give a shit But I'm interested to hear what you have to say University of California Berkeley Oh boy Yeah Well, Spook Central. Yeah I hadn't heard that one. Yeah i've only heard it on that one report She actually doesn't even have Obamacare. No she doesn't! She doesn't need it she had the White House doctor help her. No she has health care from the agency Speaking of which The Free University Of Brussels is starting a study if you are a stutterer

2:55:08 Guess what we're gonna try and give you now money Ritalin. Oh Yeah, that make you stutter twice as fast work it might work And all right so stuff I'm working on for Sunday There's a lot going on with about the Silk Road It seems more and more like something is wrong with this bust We have not heard anything. They're trying to sweep it under the carpet well either that or there is a whole reddit right now where discussion is that it's possibly a hoax by multiple people involved including some people from Gawker actually in fact if you look at the two people who've done any reporting on Silk Road, its the guy from Forbes and then a guy from Gawker

2:56:07 And if you wanted to steal a whole bunch of bitcoins from somebody, the way to do it is to have a whole bunch of bitcoins in escrow and then shut it down. I don't know... Okay well I'm sure you'll have more on this. I have dug into the because that just galls me because I get and I brought this up at a couple of those at a meeting the other day Is this the meeting when you were texting me and I had no idea what you were talking about? Yes. So, I bring it up here...I've got to the bottom of kale! comes out of a group, out of the public relations agency that promotes kale. It's out of the UK and I found an American analog even though I have notes into the agency to tell me but they won't say anything And I found all like...I found their talking points and everything else and you bring up kale with anybody and they all go right down the talking point You could actually put a little card in your pocket and pull it out

2:57:05 and show them that what they just told you is right off the list. Oh, nice! And the top of the list is, as soon as you bring up kale with anybody who's been propagandized by why anybody would promote this inedible piece of crap Brassica it's beyond me but they all say the same thing right off the bat The first thing they say is superfood. Oh really? Yeah Superfood Yeah, they all say it. It's a myth. It's astonishing how many people will throw that immediately right back at and they'll tell you how great it is They don't cook it they never use it But they also have their opinion of it I believe that the whole thing is to lead us into making a normal vegetable one of the things that we're gonna be eating commonly Cavallo Nero

2:57:52 And I'll leave it at that. I'm sorry, what did you say? Cavalo Nero? Yeah! You've never heard of it have ya? Is that what kale is? I'm putting in the red book. Is that what kale is? Cavalo Nero? Cavalo Nero is also known as dinosaur kale or black kale is out of Tuscany and its actually edible Okay but where's the angle? Is this just a really cheap vegetable that is being sold to some douchebaggy superfood to make a lot of money Not the Cavalo Nero That's an expensive one The regular kale Try cooking it this week No, we have... I am as you know not a big fan of kale. However there is one salad that Miss Mickey gets sometimes from the Twigs and Branches shop which that's what they eat over there are the twigs and branches? And she brings that home it has a particular dressing which of course is what makes it work that is delicious! And um..I'm going to

2:58:46 What is the name of that? I'm gonna write it down on Sunday, and tell you what it is. And that I find highly edible somehow the combination with the kale in that dressing works It's almost like... This is a kind of length to have to go through choked down kale. Well yeah, but believe me that women have bought into this as superfood I mean totally. Oh no they're all in on it and they all say the same thing when you bring it up super food. Is there any? Oh its delicious! They all say is delicious. Is there any evidence to this that's a super food or... Turns out and I got the research turns out that they have studied brassicas in general which are from the cabbage family

2:59:29 And the cabbage family has all kinds of variants and they're all very nutritious in every sort of way. Kale is just a member of the family, but it's been singled out as something special when it's not! It's probably the most...the worst of the group. But again- It's the worst? It is the worst Can you mention five types of kale? There's black kale, there's dinosaur kale. There's red kale, there's Russian kale... ...there is uh... and the Russian bread and the curly kale and then the uh... Rape Kale! Rape Kale it my favorite. Red Kale right? So Cavolo Nero The Black Cabbage that's the one huh? Hmm... The Dinosaur Cavalo. Cavalo. Yeah thats' the one that is going to become a big deal in the foodie community yeah I put my name on initial of the prediction Okay well And you've never heard it but you will No I see it in the book knowledge here What?!

3:00:23 This is what the whole kale thing is leading up to. That's why it's happening The whole thing is leading up to a new category Yeah, nice. It's apparently been eaten in Italy forever Well John let me say in advance Happy anniversary happy anniversary to you Adam Curry and thank you for your courage And thanks for your courage Adam curry and thank you everyone who checked in on the live stream and saying, sending karma there to Mr. Oil who apparently has been listening to the show while on morphine Oh that must be an experience He should be sharing is what I'm thinking Alright everybody well it'll be exciting on Sunday celebrating our sixth anniversary Please remember us at Dvorak dot org slash NA The stack of sixes would do just nice Don't be a black Pete! Coming to you from

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