Cranks and Firebrands

00:00 We're proud of being the bullies of the world, okay? That's what we do. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, January 13th, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 478. This is no agenda. Double flag but still not tagged and back from living in exile from the capital the drone star state Austin Tejas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I can hear you now. I'm John C. DeVore I Love watching the chat room everyone's like

00:36 Just start already! We know you! Just start! Just go! You know, hey, come on people! Why is everybody in a hurry? I don't know, exactly! This is the best podcast in the universe, you know? It's like... It has to be done right. Thank you. It's a formula, and you have to do it right. You have to do a formula right. You have to do our formula right. What's the point of a formula if you don't do it formulaically? So of course I'm back in Camp MoFo in Austin, Tejas. Okay, here we go! Yay! And of course everything is all filled with dust and all sticky and nothing works right anymore, you know, it's like someone, like elves came in here. Well you leave something alone for a month and it just, everything starts to deteriorate.

01:20 It's entropy. You're lucky that the place hasn't dissolved. The entire place just melted away. Yeah. Or overgrown with weeds. Oh, well. We're lucky to be here, I would say. Okay, well let's start at the beginning. Okay, let's start at a day of departure, how about that? Okay, let's start. You're in your little rental. No, no, no, no, no. First of all, before we left, we got a good little karma boost. Guess who showed up in Amsterdam dressed to the nines I might add. Almost looking like he had a zoot suit on with a hat and the tie, the whole thing. The mysterious Sir Gene. Sir Gene, exactly. Sir Gene Naftaliyev shows up in Amsterdam.

02:13 And I'd seen him previously in Austin and he looked like a biker. You know, he had a do-rag. He dresses for the occasion. I don't know if he's dressing for the occasion or... What does he do for a living? I think he's a fixer. I think... yes, correct. You are correct, sir. He's a fixer. That's exactly what he is. He fixes stuff. You know, he sent me a hoodie. Oh, FBI Dallas. Yeah, yeah. He sent one for Mickey, a pink one, and we pleaded with him to send you a pink one as well. Oh, thank you, Gene, for not sending me a pink one, which would have never been worn. But have you seen the slogan on the emblem? What does it say? It says something like, FBI Dallas, we've got our eyes on you.

02:59 Something like that Yeah, some creepy. It's very creepy anyway, so then taxi Eric took us to the airport So that's where it all started You know the first thing is oh You have four bags, and we had already shipped stuff in boxes via postal you know Cc mail yeah, you'll get in a couple years yeah, and And they said, well, you know, you have to pay for each, you can only have one bag each. I'm like, this is crazy. I flew over. Wait, hold on a second. Thank you. Wait, just stop. You're telling me that if I'm flying overseas. Yep.

03:41 I'm flying overseas, I'm hauling my butt across the ocean and I'm probably going to stay a while because it's a long trip. I can only bring one bag now? On what carrier was this? Well here's what's interesting, and I just had regular economy, I think it was economy comfort class. I'm not quite sure what the comfort part is. And and so, you know first it's KLM and so Delta is part of their their network and I had two bags checked two bags No, not a problem. No, I'm you know, no one threw up and no one said anything and Mickey by the way I checked who also flew over economy when you know when she left like, you know last year She also had two bags and there was no problem was like, okay two bags check them through and

04:29 And through Delta and then straight through to Amsterdam. And I had the same. Now we show up at the airport with our same bags. It's like, oh no, I'm sorry. One bag only. We're like, what are you talking about? And like, well, I don't know why you were able to take it on the way over, but we're looking at your status. And we used to fly a lot. And so we had like KLM gold cards. Now you're just ivory. What? You're ivory. You don't count. So maybe it was because you were gold and now you're ivory. Okay. So we wound up, uh, yeah, that's a 150 euros extra. What? Yeah. 75 per bag. So wait a minute. So you have, why don't you carry a bag on? These are big bags, John. These are not, these are not bags. You can, you know, this is where the airlines are making the money though. I think, you know, they made in America alone, I think they made $3 billion in baggage fees. This is, this is how it's, how it works.

05:31 Anyway, so regardless we now This is the same thing that happened on the way over the you know They're flying these plastic planes Airbus and it's the I think it's the 340 and for engines I don't recall I think I just think it's the 340 yes It has to be the 340 and so what they've done in the you know is you have the middle four seats and no matter what seat you have you have a metal box Right there kind of a at your leg either way the right leg or your left leg It's them. It's the stupidest configuration ever and what's worth it that box is is for the in-seat entertainment Which is crap anyway wait? There's a big giant metal box, so you can't stick your feet under the chair in front of you You can see you can stick it under the seat in front of you, but you have to route it around the box

06:26 So it's like imagine you have the leg of the... That's dumb. It is and I had a long discussion with the senior purser about this. And he said, yeah, no, this is pretty dumb. I said, yeah, but this is... He said, yeah, this is how they configured the aircraft. The entire middle row of four seats has this box and in fact, no, it even has on the right hand side as well. I didn't check left, but on the right hand side where's two seats. It doesn't matter. It's uncomfortable and it's lame. It's a lame configuration. So we're off. Now we're tired and this is a 4.30 afternoon flight and of course you have to go to Atlanta and then from Atlanta we have to get Miss Mickey, better known as Mabel or sometimes Maude or sometimes Millicent or whatever crikey name you guys have come up with her today. We got to get her through into the country and then on to the flight from Atlanta to Austin.

07:19 And so now you know this is an eight and a half hour flight so and now my back is still completely messed up completely and I have to you know muscle spasms yeah you get it back went out yeah so so I pop a Vicodin that's helping me out I'm like yay! Yeah heck with the box! I'm having a good time now! Give me a Bloody Mary! Alright, Bloody Mary, you know, then it's like, okay, after like three hours, like, give me one of those Tamazepam pills, which is like, you know what Tamazepam is, don't you? It's something. Yeah, it's a muscle relaxer. No, it's a sleeping aid. A sleeping pill, alright. So I'm like, I'm out, Mickey's out, so we're like, we're drooling for four hours. We wake up an hour and a half before we land, okay, and then we land at Hartfield, is it Hartfield Jackson Airport, I think it is in Atlanta?

08:13 Whatever it is. You had the big airport. Yeah, and so we landed to 815 our flight to Austin is at 10 and there's a thousand people at customs I'm really in fact, here's the crazy thing. They separate you between citizens and and foreigners the foreigner line was half the size of the citizen line and And you feel like such and of course this and there's all signs everywhere join the global entry program you won't have to sit through this to join the global entry program all we want is a retinal scan. I'm not gonna do that.

08:55 So, uh, you know, and so this is now and now it's nine o'clock. I'm still not at the front of the line. And then it's like nine o'clock. Everything stops because of course the customs and border patrol, the shift changes. Oh yeah. I was, I've been there for one of these. Oh my. Yeah, everybody stops working. No, no, they get on the phone, they put on their jacket and then the other guys, you know, or, or woman, shows up and they wait and then that person has to log in, has to clean their stamp, has to wipe down the... Yeah, I'm not kidding, they're cleaning their stamp. They're cleaning their stamp, you know, they're wiping everything down, you know, adjusting the monitor to the right height, you know, the chair and everything. And then the hand goes up and like, wave, wave. Come on, Slavelet, you're next.

09:46 So that takes 10 minutes and I'm just seeing the clock tick away. I'm like, ah. So finally I go through. And by the way, the guy's kind of annoying. What food did you bring in? This is a new trick they're doing. What food did you bring in? Instead of, did you bring any food? I didn't bring any food. This note is very subtle that they're doing this. He should have said, I didn't know I was supposed to bring in food. Do you want a sandwich? I might have some peanuts. I don't think... I didn't know... When did this happen? I didn't know I was supposed to bring in food. I didn't bring any... What am I bringing food for? That's very funny. That's a good idea. I'll remember to do that next time. Yeah. If there is a next time. Then he's like, alcohol!

10:27 Like now and remember now I've had a sleeping pill. I've had a wasted. Yeah, well I'm awake and I'm like and it's now and of course it's it's now 3 in the morning body clock time because we were way adjusted to get my nation Euro land and there's like smoking No, man, I gave up four months ago. I don't even know why I'm giving him this information and You what? He told me he gave up four months ago. Smoking, taking these pills. These are truth serum pills. You're going to be telling them all kinds of stuff. Okay. Yeah. Truth serum. So I'm approved. Okay. This is good. Now, you know, we'd, we'd also crossed off the family members traveling with you because we don't want to confuse anybody about any petition under a green card for a spouse and all this stuff. Just get in, just get in. Right.

11:23 And as I go, I see that Mickey is still waiting for the changing of the guard over there on the foreigner side. So I'm like, okay, I go get the bags, which I say, we're lucky the bags are there. So I load up two carts and then I can just see Mickey who has her hair up, you know, and she's a, she's a tall woman. And I just see this little, little like antenna of hair above, uh, above the booth where she's situated. And I can see it bobbing around and Bob and Bob and I'm like, Oh, this is taking way too long. Some girl. No guy a little guy a guy a guy. Yeah, why you think he's bobbing? And then all of a sudden I see her and the guy with the passport in the plastic baggie walking towards me

12:10 No, and I'm like oh, and I'm like should I say something cuz they're walking straight toward me I didn't know that they have to then turn a right to get into the little you know the little enclosed slave quarters where they do a Secondary on you and and Mickey's looking straight at me kind of like with that. Don't say anything Don't acknowledge me, and I'm like And I'm literally standing right there with two carts with four huge bags now. It's like 925 And we still have to somehow get our bags onto the, I don't know how the airport works. I got to get it into the domestic, you know, forward. We got to go to the other gate, whatever. So then Mickey goes in, but she's able to text me. She says, there's a second flag on me. Not sure what it is. So she had a flag for- Too tall. Who knows? Well,

13:02 So I'm standing there, I'm standing there, and people are starting to question me. Why are you here? Why are you here? Moving along, no photos. Don't text. No cell phone usage here, sir. And I'm like, I'm waiting on my partner. Now this is, how about that word, my partner? Beautiful. I think it was smart. Is that him? No, no, no, it's a tall blonde woman. So Mickey comes out, 943. And she's actually, she's smiling, she said there was some secondary, but they were all really nice. They recognized me and it's hard not to remember this woman who was, you know, in hysterics of course the last time she went through. They were all really, really nice, but there was a secondary flag and she said, you know, I just wanted to get out. I didn't ask what it was. Once I said I was good to go, I just, I just booked out. So now we're like, uh-oh.

13:57 What are we going to do? So we run through the, you know, then you have to hand off your customs form and the guy goes, what food did you bring? Again, I missed a great opportunity to say, ah, I should have brought you a salad. And he was nice. He saw that we were in a hurry. He said nothing. He said, okay, go. And you know, he was just, they were actually, I have to say nice. They let us through, but now it's 943 and the flight leaves at nine, you know, at 956 is when it's scheduled to leave. And then we round the corner, there's a guy there, he says, oh, don't worry, I'll take your bags, I'll get them through the domestic. I'm like, well, we'll probably never see those again anyway, it's gonna take days. And then we have to run through security, right? So we have to take everything off, shoes, you know, everything. And then Mickey, bless her heart, she says, opt out! I'm like, and they said, we don't have a female assist. And now we have nine minutes to go.

14:55 and we have to get on the freaking train in the Atlanta terminal. You know how that works? Oh, that thing's terrible. So I say, I say, outlaw, I say, Mickey, forget it. Let's just go through the slave scanner. And all these people, like all these TSA agents looked at me like, what did you say? I said, just go get in the slave scanner. And so we go through the scanner and they literally, when I'm coming out the other end, they said, that wasn't too bad, was it? But they didn't check my ID. There's none of that. I don't know if they don't have to or whatever, but there was no checking. And then, you know, we were at F, we have to go to B36. So we've got four train stops. And this is not the train where the doors close.

15:45 You know, whether you're in or not. This is one like, oh there's somebody over there at least 20 feet away. Let's keep the doors open. And so we're at C and there's people piling on. I'm like ready to say, I'm just ready to hit someone because now it's like 9.53. And at this point I'm like, this is not going to happen. So, word be, you have to go up the escalator. Now here's the mistake I made. So I've got a big carry-on, I've got Mickey's camera bag, I've got laptop bags, I've had a Vicodin, I've had a sleeping pill, I've had Bloody Mary's. I decide a good idea is to run up the escalator. Let me tell you, this is not a good idea. I get to the top of this escalator, I'm like, I'm just gonna die, I can't do it anymore.

16:35 B-36 is all the way at the end. I kid you not, all the way at the end. And then, you know, and then Mickey, and Mickey's in the same situation. And, you know, and then her bag breaks, the snap of the strap of her bag breaks. You know, her bag's on the ground. It's like, it's like you can't even write this stuff. Sounds like a comedy. But then she sees that there's still a gate agent at 30. I mean, I can't see this at this point. I'm so blind, but she's got the distance. vision and then she starts she just pours on the steam and she's like screw it I'm gonna go stop this plane and I swear to God she stopped the freaking plane she's there and she and they said and the woman goes okay I'll let you on and we get on door closes we're off now and and now we're literally like we can't talk our throats are all swollen you know what can you give me some water

17:34 You know, because of all the chemicals and everything. God knows what's going on. And then, so we basically, we collapse for the hour and a half flight. We get there. Lo and behold, our bags are first off the belt. This is great. Of course, they went last. I mean, who would have expected that? No, I would have expected it on the next plane. Yeah, oh yeah, I didn't expect it for two days. Then we get in, so we need a cab, because of course I didn't park the car at the airport not knowing how long it would take. And we get into a cab, the guy is from Ethiopia. His name is Helul. Everyone call me Helul, but my name is Helul. And he's from Ethiopia, he barely speaks English, but the English he speaks is okay. And he's got one of these vans. So, like, where do you want to go? And I give him the address, what, what, what? Give me your damn GPS, I'll type it in. I type it in, oh, thank you.

18:32 And we're driving and then he's like, oh, oh no! What? I can never get there. I have no gas, no gas. Yeah, and you know this scam where like you got any cash for the gas? I was expecting that but he literally had no gas. This is a cab driver. So we pull over and you know, and then the rear gate with the, you know, there's lights flashing that the tailgate is about to open and our bags are about to pop out. So I spend another 15 minutes with the guy, you know, doing this, closing it all up. And then, you know, we're like 35 minutes from the airport. We have a hill to get up, you know, before you get up here at Camp MoFo. And it's raining at this point. And, you know, so once raining, the roads also get pretty slick. And so we've got all this gear in the back. We're in the back. He's in the front. Front wheel drive. We go up the hill. We start sliding backwards in the dark.

19:27 On on this hill which you know essentially if you don't make the curve around the hill you're going into Lake Travis and Mickey's freaking out and the wood the tires are going And this guy's going, oh, this is not good. And I said, stop, stop, just stop. Just put your foot on the brake. I have to get out. I have to now direct this guy on a hill in the dark off to the side so we can, you know, essentially shoot the approach from a different angle. And then we finally, finally get home. Now it's 1230 and and we're here and and and and and we're here.

20:07 Well, the moral to the story is ain't traveling wonderful. Oh man. And of course, there's just boxes of stuff here and the mail and you know, God knows what's... You got a month of mail. Yeah, bills. And you know, and also like a friendly reminder that we have to leave the premises in a few weeks. So yesterday we spent time looking at looking at other places, you know, other places to live. What kind of friend are you actually? All you can do is... You made it! And we got a good story out of it. What was really nice though, is that when we landed in Atlanta I had at least 20 emails

20:56 From producers saying I'm here in Atlanta one phone call a pick you up would take care of you literally, you know, like gypsy ring stuff. Yeah. Yeah, mr Oil was up all night tracking, you know every flight all our movements Throughout every bit of the process. He said that by some strange coincidence, I guess The Delta flight from Atlanta to Austin had actually called in a delayed departure, which is the only reason why we made it. And I'm not sure why that happened. The flight was only half full. Well, they have delayed, well probably that's, I don't know, I mean delayed departure seems to be pretty routine nowadays, especially from certain airports. New York for example. I'm thinking that one of our producers might have done something for you. Usually they hold up, I've been on flights where they stop, they hold the flight up and say we got some international travelers that are late connections, we're going to wait for them.

21:53 So, you know, we're just gonna take us another 15 minutes? Yeah. You sit there for 15 minutes waiting for these guys to get on. Yeah. I got on a plane once where the door closed right behind me. I always thought that was cool. Yeah. Of course everybody glares at you. Hey ho, we were waiting here for you. Exactly. Yeah. But, you know, luckily I think what's nice is that Miss Mickey said, you know, even though there was a secondary flag, we don't know what it is. They said, have you ever been arrested? That was like the questioning she got. So I'm we're a little worried as to what that secondary flag is exactly But she did say that everyone was really really nice and that they were all like hey, did you get your visa? You got your oh one. Okay, that's great. Yeah, we'll try and hurry you through they were really being nice. So I have to know they can be nice I've been to get that experience quite often except in New York. Yeah, I just have to give props where when when props are due and

22:45 Because we know I'm pretty mean again customs isn't you know, isn't it the TSA people? Yeah, it's Homeland Security. Absolutely I know they are but they're not TSA division. No, they're not TSA with their Homeland Security and you just look at that So is the Coast Guard? I mean, well exactly everything Homeland Security if they write it under the budget umbrella But you look at the dude running the show there and you know, what's underneath is not gonna be much better That's it's in that obvious Well, I don't like it. I don't understand why the Coast Guard is under Department of Homeland Security. It should be a military. It just makes no sense. Anyway, the house was not robbed, Nick the Rat. Very funny. No, no, that was... So everything else was... And the neighbors, it's kind of cute, you know, they'd put Christmas tree decorations in the yard and they'd hung up a wreath on the house, you know, in the futile hope that we would return for Christmas.

23:38 But you know so it's kind of cute that they did that and and they took care of everything and now we can thank them by giving them some Dutch chocolate and tell them that we're leaving so you didn't bring any food I Didn't bring any food try the way the key to success when you bring food in yeah is never say it's a gift Oh really? Yeah, it's for personal use. But you can't bring any food, period. I mean, that's just... No, yeah, you can bring food in, but it can never be for anything but personal use. You brought it in to eat it. I mean, you can't bring in certain meats, but I got the briefing from the border patrol or customs guys in Port Angeles to Victoria, Canada, and they said the trick is that what happens is they bring it as a gift, then they're confiscated right on the spot.

24:27 So here's what was really nice as I'm going through the through the mail Which will take me a few more days because we got to like get a new lease together first I opened up one box and it was the no agenda moonshine Oh yeah, that stuff. Yeah, and we had some last night. We read the documentation. Yes, good going. It says, please be careful with it. It will burn your nose and throat, but you can cut it with distilled water to make a more vodka-like spirit that will not catch fire and comp... that will not catch fire? Oh yeah, this stuff will burn like a champ. I didn't read that didn't register yesterday when I was drinking it. He said because this was distilled from sugar cane based rather than grain there's no methanol produced by the yeast as a result there's no chance this spirit will make you go blind and this is from Sir Cogs and it's a beautiful bottle. I mean he had his detail on it. I mean this is a product that I think has legs. Yeah it has legs I think this can be sold we diluted it with water

25:30 And, uh, and Mickey actually, she was like, oh my god, this is great! She didn't even finish it though. I finished it. I was like yeah, we'd had a little ice little water just drank it that way. Yeah, it's a vodka It's essentially with the water in it. It's dynamite man. It's essentially vodka no matter I mean you can call whatever you want advertising It tasted like a really nice vodka when you when you dilute it a little bit with water It tasted just like a really nice vodka and you could mix it with something. It is yeah But the bottle is beautiful the the whole I presume you had the same bottle in the same detail as I had yeah That's a product John and that is a that is I think that's a 40 $49 bottle of juice right there. It's 180 proof beauty. Yeah, I think it's a gem we have to figure out some way of putting it that into play I'm gonna take a picture of the Actually, maybe miss Mickey. I know she's listening. Maybe she can take a picture and tweet it and

26:28 right now so that people can see it live. It's a beautiful, beautiful... The whole product is great. I'm just like... Yeah, the box is nice. And he was able to send it to me. So can we just ship this stuff statewide or... Now, it wasn't in the Mason jar, which is kind of what I wanted. No, this is better. This is classier. I know what you're saying, but the Mason jars is just cliched. No, it's a just starting that people are doing the mason jar. No, I saw mason jars in the 70s This is nothing new Yeah, but the people who drink are new since that audience is starting to die off the ones that saw that in the 70s Exactly. No, it's the dust. Hey, hey speaking of dying John good news. Our third story out front breaking news Centers for Disease Control have just told CNN that the flu is now at epidemic levels epidemic levels

27:21 I'm glad I got back just in time. Just yeah, just time to catch it Let's just have a listen to Aaron Burnett here with a report in the United States right now widespread in 41 states We'll hold that map up there so you can see it's the latest map we have from the CDC and all the red is where there is high flu activity Now, I'm going to flip it to look at the same time last year. She's going to flip it! Stand back! She's flipping the cartoon drawing. Green. Minimal activity. I mean a totally different picture. This year's flip. That's proof right there. This season came sooner than expected.

27:58 and already obviously significantly more severe. Hold on a second, how is this sooner than expected? We're in January. Because she flipped it and it was green last year so there's proof. No, it's been green every year since about 2003. No, I'm sorry. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Shut up already. Science so far the CDC says there have been two thousand two hundred and fifty seven hospitalizations and 18 children have died died There has been no nationwide tally yet on adult deaths But Minnesota officials say there's 27 in their state alone 22 in South Carolina 13 in Indiana 7 in Arkansas 6 in Illinois so here's kind of the funny thing is that Texas

28:38 It's completely red as in you know like you were what we're walking dead here according to this CNN report But California is completely green yet. You know buzzkill jr. Sick his girlfriend's sick You're drinking mushroom juice, so you don't get sick. What is going on Tamiflu? Oh really you too? Yeah, so but I like the mushroom juice and I was at the market yesterday, but I couldn't remember the damn mushroom I'm supposed to ask for Rishi So you take a reishi mushroom and then you just juice it? Yeah, well, look it up. Look at Google it. Google it. How come you don't, I mean, why don't we have a John C. DeVorek no agenda swine flu recipe? I don't understand. Why are you sending me to the Googles? It's JC's thing. I mean, he's the one who's all about how to make it. He tells us different formulations. Wait, wait, wait. The guy who was drinking

29:29 Yes, she's she didn't help I mean I didn't I saw what happened to his girlfriend She's still like she can barely walk really is it that one after a joints and so she's like she looks like an old grandmother wandering around and so JC got it although he started he wouldn't take my advice and and and takes a camera so You said, well actually we have a relenza too. Right. But I, a couple days of her having, I said, you know, is this the puking? I think I'm just going to take a prophylactic round of Tamiflu. Is this the puking pooping flu or is this the? Oh no, everything. Oh really? Puking, bad gastroenteritis, she's got joints, high fever, it's a mess. And so Jace,

30:12 It's not one you want to get. So I just loaded up on all these preventatives and everyone's sick but me. So I want you to listen to the rest of it. So this was like a 15 minute report and I pulled another two minutes. She has this doctor on and you'll recognize where this doctor's work. Well, she'll actually tell you where he worked before, but they're really loading it on this year. I mean, now it's because, you know, of course, what this is all about. You know, we've got to shoot the slaves up with some vaccines, but let's let's spark a little bit of panic here as well. People in tents. It's something you expect in other parts of the world. How does this happen? It is frightening. This is the worst flu season we've had in 10 years. The worst in 10 years, John!

30:56 10 years! This supersedes, supersedes the swine flu. Worst in 10 years! I think it is the worst in 10 years. I'm in total agreement with this. And we don't really know how bad it's going to be. In New York alone, for example, we are already well ahead of where we were last year. You know what? With this guy's done, I know what the problem is, by the way. They don't want to even discuss this. Okay. So Jessie, who caught the flu because she works at the Ferry Building, in one of the small boutique stores with all the rich jerk-offs from Nob Hill, Pacific Heights, all these companies, all the noodle kids and all these guys out there, in fact it's kind of stunning when I discuss this with them, none of them, none of the people in their 20s that are working for a living have sick leave. They don't give it to them.

31:51 Because it's a union thing. There's no sick leave anymore. So they said, you gotta come to work, you gotta come to work. So she's actually has essentially all these people, all of them, they all have the flu and they're all forced to go work in a public place with the public. And it's just passing this around like crazy because there's no sick leave. There has to be legislative sick leave mandated by the government because there's nobody's gonna give it to anybody. No, you gotta come to work. Really? So they make all these people who are sick as dogs go to work. and contaminate the public and so this thing spreads like crazy and that's the public health problem and nobody in all these reports you won't have anybody mentioning anything about this. Well that doesn't matter because if we just give them a shot then they can go right back to work.

32:38 Well, the problem is they finally got there being honest about the shot. All the news reports, especially in the last week, say the shot, even though we had some reports saying it was supposed to work pretty well, they say it's 57% effective. So it doesn't work. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. CNN's on a different track with that. Here, check it out. Probably just to sell shots. Well, listen, projected to go much higher. As you say, the flu season started earlier and it may run longer. Now, we are ill-prepared for this. We don't have the negative pressure rooms which are required to isolate people. Negative pressure rooms. Now, are you getting a feeling already where this guy is from? Do you remember who this guy is? If you don't, we're going to tell you. We frankly don't have enough vaccine. We have 135 million doses of vaccine and we have almost twice as many people in the United States. Choose your favorite child!

33:32 So, but the short answer is we really don't know what's different this year, why we have more flu. And that's what's sort of frightening. You served as an advisor on the film Contagion, as I just told our viewers. Oh, he was an advisor on the film Contagion. Yes, that's where we know him from. In that scenario, an outbreak quickly spreads around the world and it's frightening. And you know, millions of people can die. Why frightening? Millions of people can die. I'd heard it. To deal with a real pandemic. Because obviously looking at what we just saw in that piece and what we're seeing now, I mean, especially given all the threats from terror that this country has faced, it's pretty shocking. It doesn't seem like we're ready. Well, the good news is that we have newer, faster, better ways of making vaccines now than we had a few years ago. So we can produce vaccines and we can get them out where they can actually protect people. We also have no evidence that these flu strains that are circulating this year are going to be resistant

34:25 to the drugs that we have. He says no evidence John. He's, this is, he was advisor on contagion. He's been talking about it. He's an advisor on contagion. I don't think you know what you're talking about. So in fact, if we can get to people. you know within appropriate period of time we can actually have an impact. Alright, so there's a couple of positive things but Colonel Larson you worked with former Senators Bob Graham and Jim Talen at the bipartisan WMD Research Center and you issued a... What? Yeah, WMD, now we're all over to weapons of mass destruction. How do we get from the flu to WMDs? Well because there's something brewing brother. ...Bio-terrorism report card just where the United States is are we ready?

35:04 and after 9-11 it was a big priority for this country to be ready. And here's what it looked like. There were no A's and there were a lot of D's and a lot of F's. So basically what she did is, so the, this of course is going to be a money grab somewhere. The whole idea is, well we weren't ready for this flu but it's just the flu people and we don't have enough vaccines and look if this were an anthrax attack... That's where she takes this I don't have to play the rest of the clip because that's exactly what she says boo What do you stink? Yes, I don't know if she actually stinks she probably smells quite nice. No that could be I have a feeling that Aaron smells kind of like you know like when you see when you smell a newborn baby Well she has some appeal

35:52 In the morning to you there John C. In the morning to you Adam Curry. Welcome back to the US of A. Thank you, thank you very much. And in the morning to all the ships and sea boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air, and all the knights and dames out there. Yes, and to our human resources in the chat room, noogenestream.com, noogenestchat.net. Hello Void Zero Mr. Oil and Sir Gitmo Slave apparently in hospital. I hope everything's okay. Not sure if that was planned or not. And while we're on the list, I have here from Christy Harriman. It'll be a little tough to hear. It's a YouTube video from one of their friends at the general intercessions at their wedding, which I've never heard of this, but I guess this is the general intercession. Is that kind of like the general prayer that you do at any kind of ceremony?

36:43 I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. Intercessions. I looked it up in the book of knowledge. I don't know. I have no idea. I'd have to look it up myself. Here, I've looked it up. Somebody got married and so they had an intercession? Isn't that where they bring them out and say, no, no, don't get married and slap them around? I don't think that's... As an intervention. No, so one of their friends does a prayer and I tweeted this. A lot of people knew exactly. I don't go to church so I don't know what this is but he's up there in like the pulpit area and listen to what he says. Could you hear it?

37:26 Sounds like he's given code to some alien landing. He said boots on the ground Subs under the water all right at sea feet in the air, and he's looking at looking around It's a little hard to hear but you see yeah, I can't hear the video. It's a little better He's like boots on the ground subs under the water ships and feet in the air Very good very very good. We like that a lot. That was good oh And I do have another PR thing captain Fred who's in Austin here. Yo, Chris array. Oh

38:08 Captain Fred he does a he does a couple of podcasts and he went to the New Media Expo where they had the podcast awards Yes, and he and he confronted Mr. Podcast Award himself, Todd Cochran. He confronted him about our little show here. This is Fred Castellano, the struggling entrepreneur. We're here at New Media Expo, which happens to be the conference for podcasters. And I'm here with Todd Cochran from Raw Voice and also the Blueberry Man. He's also the chairman of the Podcast Awards, People's Choice. And so I have one question for you, Todd, and that is if you had a category for the best podcast in the universe, which one would it be?

38:48 agenda no agenda calm and hurry and John Fred I love you there that's funny just go up there harass people like hey man you like these podcast awards are bogative man Well, some of them sure are. I mean, they had the... My favorite is the... There was some category and the guy who won was Audacity to Podcast.

39:24 And it's a podcast about making podcasts using audacity. Really? And it's just, I mean, it's, I don't, it should be, I'm befuddled by this winning. There's some actually, some pretty good, on pretty good names nominated, but I was okay, whatever. Yeah, that doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It's, it doesn't matter. It's all bogative. It's bots. And Leo didn't even get nominated and he kind of groused about it. for Twit for the best tech podcast. Well, I guess he's just no longer the best tech podcast. They have him. Here's the joke of it. They have him keynote and give the awards out and then they snub him. I just thought this was hilarious. They snub him for, they couldn't even give him a gratuitous nomination. This is why I don't do any of these things. They always ask me, I'm like, where's my award? Exactly what you should do. Unless I have received an award at one point

40:23 And, you know, like the very first podcast awards, the very, very, very first I got best produced or something. I'm like, whatever. You know, that that that's it doesn't sound right. We know that these awards and I could talk about this again about how the top 10 lists and magazines. Yeah, yeah. It's just all the rest. Well, these aren't these these are voted on by the public. But you could put a bot out there and just vote the crap out of yourself. Oh, really? Is that possible? Yeah, and I think we should do it next time. No, we tried that. Remember last year? We tried last year to get the bots going. And everyone's like, nobody's gonna put bots on unless we pay them. We got other things to do. And you know what? I don't think you achieve anything. I don't think you get anything for it. You get a glass award. Do we have anyone to thank for supporting the show?

41:23 Yeah, we do. We have a couple of executive producers we want to thank. Let me get to them. This is good. We have one executive producer and one, two, three, four, five associate executives, which is an interesting combination. Interesting. And the executive producer is anonymous. Okay. From Ohio. Hi anonymous welcome back get no slaves Mickey and Adam again. I have karma to spare so I'm sending mine your way $100 for Neo Morpheus and Trinity should be approaching a knight status in a couple of months can I get a science and D douching anonymous until knighthood I think he says it's science is there's a difference between it's between science and it's science I get a it's science already

42:08 Science! You've been de-douched. Why do I have a feeling that's gonna get requested a lot? It's great! I've got... It's actually kinda sexy! I've received two... Yeah... I've received two... Two emails from people who are very upset about this. What?! Yeah, they're like, Dr. Kiki's really good, man. It's just unfortunate. Just an unfortunate moment. I said, yeah? Yeah? So what? And now she'd be branded as a ditz. No, I don't think so. No. No. No. Scott Spencer, Black Knight Scott, as a matter of fact, in Dawsonville, of all places, Georgia, 23456. Nice. Hi, Jonas and Asher. Black Knight Scott in Dawsonville, not drunk yet, but working on having donated in a while, so I'm overdue. This one should put me into my second knighthood, no karma needed.

43:05 for me right now except please give me to ask please give some to Asher and Millicent for their relocation wish I could have met you in Atlanta yeah it's a sir Scott indeed sent us he was one of the people sent us a note and said you know just flash the bat signal come and pick you up thank you very much appreciate the karma shot you've got karma that was that was really endearing we'll calculate your knighthood for the next show we don't have it for today we have a sick Buzzkill jr. who had to go back to bed. Oh the noodles kid had to go back to bed. He didn't feel good. Kalen or Kallen, Kallen, Kalen Nistor in Northville Michigan. Mr. Nistor from Northville Michigan. Around episode 100 a listener was trying to get your attention about

43:56 fee, the golden ratio. It's worth learning about this amazing number 1.618 to understand how it's linked to almost everything in the universe of ours, DNA, plants, astronomy, human anatomy, etc. Thanks for the account. I know about this. Isn't that Fubinacci? Is that what you call it? No, no, no. This is a very interesting ratio of things. It's the golden ratio. People use it in photography a lot. And Mickey probably knows about it. And credit cards have the golden ratio. Thanks for the countless hours of entertainment and kick-ass journalism. Please keep it coming. P.S. Have you seen the genetically modified salmon stories? Yes. Here's a link. It goes on. Yeah, big giant salmon, they're gonna eat everything. No, no, no. I mean, I have been, I am no longer eating salmon unless I've seen the bear that caught it because

44:42 They are, I mean salmon is becoming the new tilapia. It's really, it's really, really disgusting. Why did they choose salmon specifically, John? Why do you think that is? Because it was always overpriced. People seem to like it, even though I don't like farmed anyway, shape or form salmon. We get our salmon from a bunch of Indians in the Pacific Northwest who in the off-season when it's illegal to catch salmon they still have the rights to catch salmon and they do it and then they sell it at the farmers market get good salmon although I think it's completely illegal the way they're doing it Right anyway came with 222 2222 2222 sir Michael Miller and Tiburon over here. Hey Michael Welcome back Adam and Mickey. Well. I've been suckling at the tip of the That's the next that's Michael Hansen's oh oh oh Michael Miller just says hello. Hi Hanson yeah you go

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49:15 So I'm a little disappointed, John. In you. In what? In you specifically. Okay. We had a show on Thursday and I don't understand why you didn't alert me to the fact that the Miss USA contest was going to be on Saturday because you and I would have obviously called New York as the winner because of Sir Superstorm Sandy. And this was a shoe-in for us. Well, it could have been New Jersey. No, well we would have hedged. Well, actually it would have been, I know what would have happened, it would have been an argument between the two of us, one pick in Jersey, one pick in New York, knowing that one of the two would win. And you would have won because I would have chosen for Jersey, of course. But now even worse, so that's on last night and I say to Millicent, I say, I don't need to watch, John will have clips.

50:15 And then I'm looking at your clip list and did you even watch the show? No, I didn't know it was on. Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god! This, this is... Are you okay? You must have the flu. No, there was the San Francisco Green Bay game on. I mean, I had no choice but to watch that. You... But you always watch the pageants. I do. I'm a big beauty pageant nut. Ah, this is really disappointing. Well, maybe I... I've been taking the Tamiflu. It makes you hallucinate. You should try mixing with some of that No Agenda Moonshine. Try that, that might be a great combo. I got better clips. When I was getting some great clips about, there was a big con fab, and I think it was the Brookings Institute had, on legalizing marijuana.

51:01 And so I ended up getting a bunch of clips. I think I could have even over clipped it, but there's this guy whose name is Michael Greves and he's at George Mason University. He's a law professor. He's also in the American Enterprise Institute. He had some of the most interesting things to say essentially that the way everybody perceives the system is all completely wrong. There is no reason for any state to enforce or do anything with any federal law. In fact, two states have already or are right now in the process of opting out of the U.S. Code. And which states would those be?

51:42 I haven't found out yet. One of these guys just mentioned it in passing, so I'm going to look into that. But here, let's take a look on play grevs on states enforcing federal laws. And this is a moment for people who like to show to actually learn something about your country. do and no state has to enforce federal laws or prohibitions. By the way, not everyone who listens to the show lives in this country. So no I know but we have 90% of the okay I'm sorry I said that yeah 90% of our listeners do live in the United States the other ones are usually expats or people that want to learn more about the United States and the federal system there you go and I thought I kept this thing longer this clip really went on for a while it would have talked about the

52:26 EU and how they tried to copy the federal system although they're screwing it up and this guy talks about that too and the fact is that you know we're somehow along the lines we've got this in our heads that federal law trumps state law In what universe is this? Although state courts of course are still required to do so. Now it turns out that that sounds trivial but I think it plays itself out in hugely important contexts, much more important in their own way than the marijuana context. So here's an example. Excuse me.

53:05 One of these days, the Supreme Court will decide whether it wants to grant cert or not in the second go-around of a case called Bond v. United States. It arose over basically a marital dispute. She, wife, smeared a chemical on a doorknob and the car door of her rival, and this resulted in a thumb burn. And this woman was then prosecuted by state officials in Pennsylvania under a federal law that implements the chemical weapons convention. It's called Bomb vs. United States. And the question in this case is whether the federal law is even constitutional. I don't think so, but the Third Circuit said yes. But even while saying yes,

53:54 All of the judges on the Third Circuit said, what do you people there at the local level think when you enforce these kinds of federal laws? You don't have to. The reason why this matters is, you know, the Heritage Foundation has had an over-criminalization workgroup, federal over-criminalization workgroup for the past, I don't know, 15, 20 years. And it's never gone anywhere, but it might go someplace if local officials could stop themselves from cooperating with the feds in enforcing these ludicrous federal laws. Many of them would turn into the press releases that they deserve to be. There's something really, really sick about listening to a German tell me about my own country.

54:36 Yeah, well I know it's a problem because you know you'd think other people would be thinking along the same lines. I mean this guy is a law professor, very well known apparently, everyone always defers to him in this panel. And he's a libertarian, a self-proclaimed libertarian, and his basic thesis is that these federal laws, if the feds want to put federal laws out there, the feds should police them themselves because there's no reason that any state should enforce any federal law under any circumstances. I think we've talked about this before but this is the exact reason why, with the guns conversation, no one is actually going towards repealing the Second Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment is not being invoked for the debt ceiling. There's no

55:29 talk about the 10th amendment and I think the reason why is that you know the the the citizenry of the United States has has basically been tricked, been duped into believing that everything that Washington says is God and his law and we don't really want to draw attention to the Constitution so we just completely ignore it and pretend like it doesn't exist. I think that's the strategy. And you know, this, the trillion dollar coin is now also not going to happen because, you know, in no way do we want to draw any attention to, you know, what can and can't be done. It's just, they're just making it up. And the people really believe, it's almost like that you can only vote for the one Republican or one Democrat.

56:13 candidate. The people really believe that at this point. No, they've been brainwashed. I think why this is important, especially in the EU, is when the Belgian overlords tell the French that they can't use wood to put the goat cheese on anymore. Remove your wood from my goat cheese! They can't put the, you can't have a wood plate, you have to use plastic. The French don't, I mean if it's done properly and I think this is true, these guys, and Britain is exactly the same problem.

56:49 They don't have to, they can just say screw it, we're just not going to enforce it. Bring your own police. Do you have police? Well you've agreed to do this, you've agreed to do that. Well hold on, that's not entirely true because with every single step that they make there in the European Union, with every single new pact and compact You know, remember we've had Herman Van Roompuy literally saying there will be a pooling of sovereignty. So there they are, they actually are drawing up the documents that remove the sovereignty of the states, they're already called states, and places that with Starfleet Command in Brussels. So they're actually drawing up the documents. But that's because these guys are agreeing to it. I think that the point this guy makes is that the states don't have to, like he says,

57:33 enforce federal law? It's not their job, they got their own laws to enforce. But here's what's interesting about this marijuana debate. Some Dutch guy, and by the way he was later referred to as a guy from the UN by one of the other panelists, I thought that was peculiar. Some Dutch guy brought up this very unusual, that I've never heard before and none of the panelists heard before, but Greves does have a comment about it. Thank you. My name is H.P. Scheidemachers. I'm from one of those governments that you mentioned, the Netherlands. I think the context was even the Netherlands.

58:09 I was going to say that the United States is rapidly becoming a more liberal country than the Netherlands on issues as gay marriage but also as legalizing marijuana because we only decriminalize it and not legalize it, as was rightly mentioned. But I would like the panel to address the international implications a little more when the federal government would decide to leave these states leave the acts in the States in the books because it's a clear violation of international obligations by the United States. They ratified several treaties which don't allow for legalization in any way of marijuana. If the United States decides not to enforce these acts and these international obligations, what would the effects abroad be? I would

58:59 You've always asked other countries to obey by these international treaties. If you stop doing that yourself, could that mean that eventually other countries that produce the drugs decide not to live up to their treaty obligations and what kind of effect would that have? So I'd like you to address that. Thank you. That is actually a very good question. That was a good question. I have to say from this guy. They all kind of trained in but grabs the The law professor charm had the most interesting answer Which clip is that grabs on treaty? Thank you? He's usually right in my experience. Yeah, unfortunately in this case he probably is so what what happens well as far I don't know the specifics of the treaties at issue right but

59:54 This is in fact another one of these sort of federalism issues that you mentioned at the beginning that will come to the forefront. Our international obligations by and large don't bind the states. It's true of our consular obligations even, and it is true in this regard too. That is to say if we the United States bind ourselves internationally to not decriminalize marijuana. That will bind the federal government, but the state governments are the state governments and the answer to foreign countries, unless there's something in the treaties that we committed to, the answer is sorry.

1:00:36 I would like to know what, and this is what bothers me about this conversation, is no one's telling me what treaty. Because this is exactly what happens on any media except the best podcast in the universe. And what I like to do is say, oh yeah, what is the treaty? Give me the number. I'll go read it. I'll go see what is in it. And then I will see if it was ratified by the Senate or not. And we ratify very few UN treaties. So I'm not sure that this... Yeah, well, it was a treaty that was done in 1972 apparently, and I think the number's available. It may be mentioned specifically in the Bolivia clip, which apparently was brought by one of the other panelists. Bolivia has said...

1:01:13 regarding this exact same treaty that they're just going to renege on the cocaine thing and they're going to grow as much coke as they feel like and they think the treaty is bogative. The 1972 treaty binds 184 countries and there is precedent now, I think there might be, of one, was it a Latin American country that denounced at the resolutions and then they've recommitted to reiterate its reservation about cocaine let me know if you have a company today and it is not present at the time of this and there's no objection to that but the u.s. could it is not going to be a u.s. has a good but it will go through but what we can happen is the u.s. could essentially do the same thing could denounce that resolution and immediately re-re-re-ratify with the reservation about marijuana so there is some if

1:01:58 if this follows, and it's not as though we are in completely uncharted territory. I think it's time to point out here for a moment that none of this can be legalized because this is the business of the government. The government is in the cocaine smuggling and sales business. The government is in the marijuana business. This is a different track and that I would say is accurate. We should be going to these forums, John, and we should have a session in the next room You know, and you'd be having like, you know, like all these hoity-toity guys, the German guy, the Dutch guy, and then we'd be next door and the conference would be, hookers and blow, make the world go round. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. And we should just stand there and just tell people what's really going on. Yeah, the banks. Yeah, because, yeah, and the banks are laundering the money because they're wasting their time in this conversation. Because it's all just, it's all just imaginary. Imaginary. Like, oh yeah, we'll do what the UN says. Oh yeah, we'll do what the, what Washington says. Just imaginary.

1:02:53 So the only other little tidbit I thought was really great in this conference was this rhetorical question which was asked again by Grevs of the guy who was a US attorney in Colorado who was against the legalization in Colorado and he's beside himself. He actually had a lot of great stories to tell, the Colorado guy, about how when, you know, how they don't enforce, how the feds are afraid to come into states and enforce stuff. But this question is the one that I think kind of touches on part of what you just said, but it's kind of interesting. It's just an interesting another question I've never heard before. Is this aiding and abetting? Yeah. Can I just ask Troy two questions that

1:03:37 Maybe sound paranoid, but suppose they're have we walked on the moon? officials that Assist the dispensaries or whatever they're called in these states Oh sure in sort of setting up these things and how to stay clear of so state law prohibitions set aiding and abetting under the federal law And the other, I mean, along the same lines or similar lines, and this just shows I'm a paranoid libertarian, suppose these dispensaries and, you know, legitimate enterprises under state law

1:04:17 put their money, their business accounts with some bank. Could the Treasury then come along and say, tell you what, you're in violation of 15 federal laws, aiding and abetting criminal enterprises, but if you buy the next countrywide, we'll make it go away? I think the answer is yes and yes. Very funny. Yeah, so he could come to our session obviously. Step next door my friend. You'd be perfect for our session. You'd be better in our session anyway. Interesting. Yeah, I thought so. I like it. I like it. Let me see.

1:05:02 Well, this was kind of funny. I'm just catching up with some US news here. Employees around the country are cashing in their first paycheck of the new year and they're feeling the pinch. Every employee in America started paying the 2% higher payroll taxes of January the 1st. I love this. I love how no one covered this during the fiscal cliff and you know there was just 2% payroll tax that was being retired which you know was an Obama cut and an Obama retirement and and everyone's like what? What? 2% is more than you think. Yeah, 2% can really... Yeah, it's noticeable. ...can really hurt. President's show this morning, his little YouTube show there.

1:05:50 Just chuckled at what it was basically all the same things now He's just going into repetition mode like you know we're gonna you know solve climate change You know we're going to protect children from the horror of gun violence Which I just love this is new protect children from the horror of gun violence And but he kind of starts it off with something funny everybody Hyle. Oh This week I welcome President Hamid Karzai to the White House to discuss the way ahead in Afghanistan. And today I want to update you on how we will end this war. That's all I needed to hear. Hey, hey, hey, Heil Obama, do you have a little update on how we're going to end this war? Who says that? Who is like, hello nation, Heil, update here on how we're going to end the war. This is total insanity.

1:06:45 Total insanity from this man. But where really, what really got my goat is Vice President O'Biden. And so, you know, he's, he is just so loving this, by the way. He's loving the attention. Finally, he's in the picture because he has to deliver the recommendations to the president on how we're going to make sure this never happens again. If we can only save one child with all the things we're going to do with gun violence, just one, and that will be enough. And of course, when we look at the Sandy Hook

1:07:25 occurrence we really have Zero visual evidence zero is just absolutely zero visual evidence But of course we have vice president O Biden to give that to us and when I heard him do this You know I it just it makes my skin crawl There is nothing that has pricked the conscious of Consciousness of the American people there is nothing that has gone to the heart of the matter more than The visual image people have of little six-year-old kids riddled not shot in the straightway riddled riddled So here's the vice president saying there's nothing that pricks the imagination of people more than the visual image of

1:08:17 of little six-year-olds riddled, not shot, riddled, RIDDLED with bullets. We had, there is no, there is no visual image. No one has seen this. This is based purely on the crazy reportage of the medical examiner. But listen to it again. He is programming people's brains with this. Riddled. Not shot. Riddled. Riddled. Riddled. Riddled. I mean just riddled. Riddled! Shot to shreds!

1:08:58 This is really, really, really dangerous what's going on here. I think this is how we should be setting policy for everything in America. As long as it can save one life, we should implement the law. It makes sense. And I think we should ban skiing. We could do a great deal without it anyway.

1:09:37 imposing on or impinging on. Now, now, now wait for him. Listen to how he addresses the media, because this of course is a media event. The rights of the Second Amendment that the Second Amendment guarantees. That's what this is about. I thank you all for being here and now with your permission and the permission of the press, we can get down to some business here and I thank the press for... Now with the permission of the press. If I can please have permission from the press. And I thank the press. for propagating my riddled formula. It's very, very frightening, but not quite as frightening as the 20 minutes of Anderson, Vanderbilt, Pooper, who closed the matrix. Officially, John, as of what I saw, was it Saturday night?

1:10:29 The matrix is complete, the matrix is closed. There is people who still watch mainstream media news or mainstream media in general but certainly if they get their information and news from there I'm sorry they can no longer be helped. and they will just have to fall by the wayside. If they stumble upon the best podcast in the universe or if they get interested somehow and start listening and they get on board, then they're lucky. But I think most people who are now still in the matrix, their blue pill, I guess, that they're lost. And he did 20 minutes

1:11:11 I had ignored this story because I just wanted to hear what the guy was saying. There's a professor at Florida State University, a professor of media communication sciences, and he wrote a blog post where he said, very similar to what I said in the conversation you and I had, that there is no real evidence of any of this that went down the way the media has portrayed it. And he was actually, in a very scholarly fashion, hedging the way he said it, but of course if you take it out of context, it's like, he said it never happened! It was actors! He's insane! But he wrote it, and this went around

1:11:53 The blogosphere a little bit, you know people were sending me the link etc. But now Anderson Cooper decides to do 20 minutes 20 minutes with experts about this guy's blog post and I've distilled that 20 minutes down to one two three five clips of much shorter length of about a minute each and But you have to listen to what is happening as you hear the door of the Matrix closing shut behind us. This is proof. This is Anderson Cooper. And I'll let it play, but you will be the one stopping the clips today, John. It's unbelievable when you hear this.

1:12:36 Good evening everyone. We begin tonight, Keeping Them Honest, with a story that is frankly hard to believe. You're going to want to sit down for this one. Nearly one month to the death... I'm sorry, are you sitting down, John? You're going to want to sit down. I don't think anybody's really standing up when they're watching this show, are they? But he's about to keep them honest, so you need to make sure that you're sitting down. Yeah, keeping them honest. Keeping them honest. ...the horrific shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, in which 26 people were killed, including 20 children. Tonight we expose a number of people who are claiming that the Sandy Hook shootings were staged. Now, there are always conspiracy theorists lurking online who come up with some horrifically outrageous claims. Lurking? Normally, we would not dignify these kind of claims with our airtime. These claims are obviously sickening to many in Newtown who have spent the past four weeks crying and consoling, burying friends and family members, trying to figure out how to restart their lives.

1:13:26 As I said, normally we wouldn't even mention these conspiracy theories. But it turns out one of the people who's peddling one version of this conspiracy theory is actually a tenured associate professor at Florida Atlantic University. I just want to stop this for a second. Do you think that because it's a professor a tenured professor at a university in Florida that that should really be the reason for Anderson Cooper to throw out his morals of not propagating conspiracy theories and never ever ever talking about it. Do you think that this is a valid reason John?

1:14:03 Well, it is if you want to make sure that the academics shut up. Now what you end up with, what you have in many of these situations when somebody's slightly naive about how the internet works and the kind of blowback you can get from doing certain things a certain way, a lot of people don't understand how nasty it can be. And we've tried to train most of them so they just shut up. and do their thing and they don't get bothered by anything so this professor comes out of the blue thinking that he might actually you know might encourage some free thinking. Ah, you mean the kind of stuff that goes on at universities.

1:14:43 Well, it actually doesn't go on in universities that much, but it does go on to some extent within certain realms. But he obviously stepped outside whatever boundaries there were and he had to be slapped back hard, which is the reason for this being 20 minutes by the way, because it seems to me that if Pooper is exactly doing exactly what he says he's doing, which is ignoring these crazy conspiracies, I agree, why bring this guy up unless it was just a, it was like some, like the system trying to shove this guy back into his cage and get back to work idiot. State University that gets taxpayer money. His name is Jay- Wait a second, now this is the kind of thing that Rush Limbaugh and these guys you'd bring up. Oh the use of taxpayers money, now we got this coming from him? Uh huh. Oh that's a good one, good switcherooty.

1:15:30 the matrix door just closed a little bit more. and may not have happened at all here's what he wrote on his personal blog and i quote now of course he's quoting out of context and you know you because the guy who tried read is but really the there could be just pulling pieces of sentences out the guy hedged it on all sides one is left to inquire whether the sandy hook shooting ever took place at least in the way law enforcement authorities in the nation's news media have described tracy makes the case if you want to call it that that news organizations and the government

1:16:17 You want to call it that. Oh, it gets better. Wait, wait until you hear what the what come what Cooper is going to say in a minute. May have worked together to dupe you, the public, in order to gain support for gun control laws. He even is suggesting that the government may have hired trained crisis actors to aid in this ruse. That's right. Trained crisis actors. He's not convinced the parents whose children were killed are really who they say they are. In his blog, Tracy, again a professor, suggests they may have been, and I quote, trained actors working under the direction of state and federal authorities and in coordination with cable and broadcast network talent

1:16:58 to provide tailor-made crisis acting." Tracy even cites a company called Crisis Actors that provides actors to use in safety drills and the like. Apparently that is supposed to bolster his case. Now when a local reporter caught up with Tracy and asked him about this outrage, his theories might trigger. Here's what he said, listen. You had 20 families that were mourning that buried children. Are you concerned about that at all? Well, I think that the entire country mourned. about about Sandy Hook and yet once again the investigation that journalistic institutions should have actually carried out never took place as far as I'm concerned. I think that we need to as a society look at things more carefully. Perhaps we as a society have been conditioned to be duped.

1:17:53 Of course, you know, the catching the guy in the hallway, he's got his book bag on his shoulder. I mean, just to make it even worse. But of course, he's saying something that we talk about all the time, that, you know, society has been trained to be duped into by the media into all types of things. You would agree with that assessment, right? That's just part of our thesis on this show. Now listen to how Pooper comes out of this. I don't even really know what that means, what he is saying, what the words coming out of his mouth means. Really? Anderson Cooper doesn't know what the words coming out of his mouth mean? I mean, seriously? Well, if you're going to play that game, yeah, that's what you'd say. Suggest the reporters on the ground didn't work to find out what happened there on the ground is beyond crazy. It's beyond crazy! We do... To suggest that reporters were not doing their job is beyond crazy!

1:18:47 So he's going to bring in some experts. But he has to... you know, the only thing I could think of is, you do doth protesteth too much methinketh. You know, this is like, wow, I mean, do we really have to go to these extremes? Yeah, no, I think that's kind of the giveaway. There's no reason for it. If you think the guy's just a crackpot, just say he's a crackpot. Say he's a crackpot and ignore him. I mean, that's what you normally do. No, no, no. Why is this guy more dangerous? And, you know, to be honest about it, if I was on the other side of this and I was on the Anderson

1:19:42 Keeping him on a side. Mm-hmm. That's exactly what I do I would not play this up unless I was trying to draw attention to it. Maybe actually maybe Cooper's like sick of this and he's actually drawing attention to it for a reason and then making it look as well I don't think that's true No, but now you know so they try to terrorize this guy they go stay at you know they post our side of the house This is bullying by the way. Oh, this is huge bullying quote Anderson So I know you also asked the president of by the way. What is he a professor of it like media studies or something? Yes? Yes in communications in the Department of Communications that is correct. Okay. He would know about this bullcrap

1:20:21 Well, so instead of he would know about this bull crap, Anderson throws it the other way and says... Interesting, the guy who's in the Department of Communications does not want to communicate to... Oh, I love that! I love it how he does that. ...the media, or address this in the media at all. But you asked the president of this college, of this university, FAU, about it. What did she tell you? Were they standing by him? Of course, you gotta, you know, what would the president of the university say, John? I mean, this would... He likes to say, he said college first to demean it. Yeah, oh yeah. Good one. I didn't even caught that. Yeah, absolutely. Right. We talked to President Mary Jane Saunders. Mary Jane, code name for marijuana. And they are clearly distancing themselves from Professor Tracy.

1:21:05 We want to make it very clear that he was speaking as an individual. He was not speaking in his role as a professor at FAU and the university has a very different statement about the shootings, the terrible tragedy that took place in Newtown. What do they have to do with it? Why should they have a statement at all? The university does not support this position and I personally am heartbroken about the additional stress to these families at this time. Heartbroken. Now there's no word on what the university could or would do, Anderson. He is a tenured professor, as you mentioned, and in fact the blog that he writes on is not in any way affiliated

1:21:50 with the university. People are free to express themselves as they want but I think you know if he's a legitimate presser he should be willing to defend his statements and again I just wanna to reread what he said on his personal blog. You don't have to do crap that you want Anderson. So I'll cut this off. So then he now we've got to bring in some experts and this is so one of the experts I know because I interviewed one of the experts but first he brings in some douche from Salon magazine So, you know, you should... How is that an ex-spurrish? A writer? Because he's been, according to Anderson, he's been following this from day one! So he's just a shill douche, some guy with double, I forget his name, with a double name. Joining me now is Salon.com political reporter Alex Seitz-Walt who did the early reporting. Alex Seitz-Walt who did the early reporting, who got the early script on this story, which is where we initially heard this stuff. Also Jonathan Kaye of the National Post, an author of Among the Truthers. So remember I interviewed that guy? Among the Truthers. Yeah, and so he actually works for an anti-Muslim think tank in Washington DC.

1:22:54 all conspiracy theories according to him is about the Jews. Everything he says, oh they just want to hate the Jews. Journey through America's growing conspiracist underground. So Alex, it's hard for me to wrap my mind around these theories. It's not like they're coming just from one person or group. I mean there are websites, YouTube videos, blog posts all devoted to to these absurd theories. Absurd! Yeah, I mean there's really a surprising universe out there. If you Google Emily Parker's name, the girl you mentioned who the conspiracy theorists think is actually alive, the very first result that comes up, at least when I Googled it, was a conspiracy website. Now, this is very important because I think that this is a new meme.

1:23:35 and this will be used to start for Google to start filtering things out because of course it's an outrage when you Google for a dead girl's name that a conspiracy website comes up. You watch, this is going to happen that Google will be filtering out things, entire network addresses will be filtered out because they don't represent the new normal and the truth of keeping them honest. One of the most polished, professional looking videos was produced by a 9-11 truth or company. They produced a video after 9-11 that got a lot of attention. This one kind of ties it all together and I just checked a few minutes ago, it has almost 200,000 views on YouTube. Alex Jones, you know,

1:24:18 went off against Piers Morgan the other night. His website has a whole community forum section where there are just dozens and dozens and dozens of posting about these things. And if you just Google Sandy Hook Hoax, you can find all kinds of things out there. So I mean, this is a real strain within the movement out there. You know, these paranoid people who think the government is coming to snatch their guns. And I mean, what's you know, this is not and we off camera, we talk about what What was that? He's stuttering. Oh yeah. To a number of families today who didn't even want to come on camera because they are too upset about this to even address this. The fact that Emily Parker... This is peculiar. Yeah, they didn't want to come on even to it because they didn't want because I don't know because they're actors. ...her family you know if they Google her name or anyone who knew Emily Parker Googles her name and the first thing that would come up would be this this sickening conspiracy theory based on

1:25:13 the fact that her sister wore the same dress that Emily Parker had once worn in a photograph to meet with President Obama, I mean, that is just adding insult to injury. No, no, no. What's sick is putting a so-called sister in the dead sister's dress. That's what's sick, but maybe it's just me. Injury. Jonathan, why do we see conspiracy theories pop up in the wake of tragedies like this? I mean, can't wrap their mind around something, why this would happen? Or is it just simply linked to the whole idea that these are people who believe the government is trying to take their guns and this is just a way that they're trying to take guns? Here comes. Conspiracy theories are explanations for evil. And generally speaking, people hate the idea of random evil. They like the idea that evil is focused in some... What?

1:26:02 When did this guy go from being un-miked and now he's in a bucket? What happened? No, so the other guy is the salon guy. This is the guy who wrote the truth. So he's in a bucket talking through his microphone on his Mac laptop. Yeah, he's on Skype, exactly. And instead of doing it professionally, he's all back away. But the whole point is he's just going to say it's about the Jews. All of people, whether it's Jews or Muslims. Oh, there we go. It's Jews or Muslims. So now Pooper has to take it a little bit further and he's going to ask this expert about the different kinds of conspiracy theorists, John. And I think he nails it. In fact, it says exactly what you just said. You divide conspiracy theorists into two camps, cranks and firebrands. What's the difference?

1:26:48 Cranks and firebrands, whatever that is. Well the firebrands tend to be the young folk, I mean the ones that you see, sometimes 9-11 on the anniversary, you'll see these people marching, the so-called 9-11 truth movement. They tend to be young people, you often see them on university campuses. Oh, you mean like students, people whose minds are expanding and don't necessarily watch the propaganda that you are putting into their heads? Cranks tend to be older types. Hold on. Hello. That'd be me. No, I think it's actually me. People in their 40s and 50s, often they're college professors. College professors! They're all crazy! They're crazy cranks! Often they're computer scientists. Often people with a very technical frame of mind who are drawn to these very intricate conspiracy theories. And they have butt cracks. I know them! They're sysadmins. They're almost always men for reasons that I explain in my books.

1:27:43 And often these are very mild-mannered individuals. For instance, one of the leaders of the 9-11 conspiracy movement was a teacher, a professor, a Californian named David Ray Griffin, a very mild-mannered, professorial guy who's actually a theologian. And these people are drawn to the movement. Usually they're very intelligent and they love the idea that they're unraveling some huge puzzle, which, and they'll get to the source of all the world's evil. Well, there you go. So it's obviously, we're crazy, you know, and mild-mannered, intelligent people who are often at the intelligence level of college professor are conspiracy theorists. Can I ask a question here, since you saw this thing, I didn't see it? Yeah. I would assume that because he's discussing this, the professor and all the rest of it, that he showed that clip of Emily's dad

1:28:31 No, get it up and then getting into getting into acting mode. Oh that would cry on the camera No, that would be crazy. No, that would be showing it Everybody who's keeping him honest this argument keeping him on seeing that clip. Mm-hmm. So he showed it right? No, he did not. Oh Keep it a modest Well anyway, so to wind this up, Anderson is now going to deconstruct how absurd it is to think that there could ever be a conspiracy between government and the media. Which is like, has he ever read it? Has he ever heard of the Reichstag? Has he ever picked up a history book in his life? I mean, has he ever heard of the Maine? It's unconscionable. The Gulf of Tompkins? He's never heard of any of these things? No, it does not exist. MKUltra, none of this. It's completely, you know, Operation Gladio. None of this stuff, it never has happened in the world.

1:29:30 in the entire universe of history and he's going to help us understand that this is crazy to even think that thing i mean alex that so i find idiotic about a lot of these conspiracy theories is you know nothing remains secret for very long so it's not as if i mean the government can't keep you know things that are is actually classified information secret what you had a can like for instance uh... you know why it's legal to kill people with drones that's being kept secret i think the kill list itself i and that's being kept secret so the government is there is a there is a uh... legal documents somewhere that is being kept secret

1:30:05 gives the president authorization to kill americans. Yes, to kill them. We haven't seen that. No. They won't release it. That's secret and I think they're doing a good job of keeping that pretty secret. I think that's doing a good job. Yeah, well, what he means is that sometime around 50, 60, 75 years from now it will be revealed. Yes, exactly. you know nothing remains secret for very long so it's not as if the government... Anderson Cooper you kept your homosexuality secret for five years before you finally copped to it what are you talking about? I can't keep things that are actually classified information secret for very long there's so many people who leak stuff so the idea that somehow like the news media is in cahoots with the government and that there were secret meetings to hire crisis actors to get them there I mean it's just

1:30:54 So I like this because there's secret meetings all the time. There's always meetings going on at the White House Rachel Maddow Reverend Sharpton Everyone's showing up. Everyone's at the Christmas parties. There's meetings all the time with the media that we're not told about but of course the Anderson actually makes a mistake here and where he, and this is my big finale, he makes a mistake where he actually reveals that he knows what really happened. So ludicrous. Did you notice a common, I mean was there a common strain when you were looking into these conspiracy theories regarding Sandy Hook?

1:31:31 Yeah, there absolutely is. At least the vast majority of them. And there's different variations, you know, whether it was directly in Obama administration plot or agents, you know, loosely tied with the liberal movement or even George Soros. The common thread among all of these is that the tragedy was a false flag operation in order to make the country willing to give up their guns. So, in other words, this tragedy would happen and then we would have a discussion about gun control as we are now. This is exactly what happened by the way. This is exactly what happened. And then it would lay the groundwork for the government to come in and take guns possibly for some kind of future, you know, tyrannical regime.

1:32:11 I mean, Jonathan, I guess the internet has kind of allowed all this stuff to kind of ignite in a way that it never has before. I mean, there have always been conspiracy theories. It goes back for very long. This has just allowed more isolated people to find each other, right? Yeah, absolutely. One of the chapters in my book I talk about how the internet has turbocharged the conspiracy theory movement because the big challenge for conspiracy theorists used to be getting the word out because respectable journalists wouldn't touch their stories. But now conspiracy theorists usually they don't even bother trying to go to the mainstream media. They just publish it on their website and they can create their own little echo chambers of paranoid individuals who all share the same distrust. And by the way, just to correct something,

1:32:52 It is true that the majority of the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories revolve around the idea of gun control, but there is a large contingent that believe that this was somehow an Israeli false flag operation. Ah, Jews. Press TV, which is a... That guy is Jews. It's always about the Jews. Why would the Israelis... How did the Israelis get involved in this? Notice what he's saying. Instead of why, he said how did. He changed that. Did you know, this is not the thing I want to point out, but this is something I just noticed. Anderson went from instead of, because the correct question would be why would someone bring in the Jews? Instead he says how did they get involved? Oh shit, hold on, let me back it up a little more. There's a large contingent that believe that this was somehow an Israeli false flag operation.

1:33:37 Chris TV, which is an Iranian controlled outlet. Why would the Israelis... How did the Israelis get involved in this? See, that's how we switched. That was interesting, wasn't it? He was like, yeah, you switched from one to another. Well, the idea is that it was a Mossad operation and it's the same people who believe that Anders Breivik was actually secretly somehow a Mossad agent. these are people who have identified talking about cranks people in the university picked on their evil doers they think it's the jews they think it's israel and so they find some way to trace any evil act whether it's 9-11 whether it's the 2008 financial crisis they find some way to believe that All the evil was caused by this one group of actors who they hate. And now I don't know where my frickin payoff went. This is dumb. Your payoff is not there. I don't know, maybe we talked over it. At a certain point, Pooper says, how crazy is it to think that actors were used as government officials?

1:34:32 That's Andy Hook. And I thought that was kind of telling because no one has actually said that specifically that talked about the parents. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I must have talked over it. You should look into that. Yeah, of course we... We're not looking into any of this. We're not even supposed to be covering this. Unfortunately, I have a couple of clips. Can I just wrap this up? Yeah, wrap it up and I'll go on to mine. All right, so I'll just wrap it up by saying that on January 17th, There will be another drill. Never mind, I'm going to leave it in the show notes. Why do we have all these drills? This is going to be a co-op in downtown Chicago. Here's the situation. This is from a document that was sent to me and the exact wordage from our producer was, I don't see anywhere on the document that says that it's classified in a manner that I can't send it to you. Here it is, reference Chicago District Community of Operations, Continuity of Operations Plan.

1:35:34 A situation, downtown Chicago has been hit with cyber terrorism resulting in limited communications. The Federal Executive Board will be conducting a co-op exercise on the 16th of January 2013 with FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency, supporting as the control cell for the FEB. Each participating federal agency reacts by moving their command and control to their continuity of operation site to ensure continuation of essential operations. So all I'm saying is let's be on the lookout for the 16th, Wednesday, Chicago cyber operation. Now Chicago of course is where the commodities exchange is housed so there could be a number of things. But whenever they do a drill you always got to be looking out. So I would say we should be on the lookout for that.

1:36:25 So, just as a few follow-ups, I thought the most ludicrous... Yeah, we are on the lookout. I put it in the green... red book. Wait you have a green book too. I know I don't have a green book. I don't know why I said green book and maybe it was a Cut and a lot maybe have a secret green keeping them honest sounds like you got a here's a here's a the dumbest clip and then I'll get to some funnier clips including and then some insightful clips But it's all kind of a follow-up to what you just did, but let's start off with the ma foes not want to clip which I thought was just like what what really I In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shootings, Massachusetts has removed violent arcade games from its highway service plazas. It has taken the action over concern that residents from neighboring Connecticut may be offended by those games. Don't offend me! Tipping point! You guys are heartless by keeping those stupid arcade games there. It's unbelievable. To tipping point! So luckily on C-SPAN there was a long discussion. I saw this.

1:37:30 of this woman who talked about violent video games and she had a lot, this is kind of a fast talking woman who wrote a book on the topic and she apparently is an expert on the subject. So I have two clips. First I have the violent video games part one clip which discusses kind of the overview of you know the studies that have been done on violent video games and here's the reason I first clipped these because I'll ask you this question. What is being attacked right now given two possibilities? You have violent video games. Yes, which is which is the industry that Hollywood hates the most because they eat up most of their money. And you have Hollywood. Yeah. Which has more violence than anyone. Yes. And it's realistic because it's like done realistically. It's not a game. It's good work. So which of the two are they attacking? Well, Hollywood, of course, is going, as far as I'm concerned, continually attacking violent video games. Yes.

1:38:26 And they also supported bomb administration in a big way. Yes, and so no one's saying anything about them No, in fact, they're going after these violent video games So let's play a couple of things and we can't all learn about violent video games and their effect on the human Wait a minute first. I've got to do this Don't have to see this is what we do Part one. A million dollar plus research on this while you're at Harvard and you have basically inconclusive evidences to the exact relationship between violence and video games. So where did the vice president get his information from to say that you can't necessarily put, you know, point A leads to point B? Well, it's basically that there is, there's no proven like, for example, my study found that, uh,

1:39:15 When you look at kids playing M-rated games, the more M-rated games they play, the more likely they were to say that they bullied others or gotten into fights. But when we've also factored in things like parent supervision, stressful life events, and especially aggressive personality, that relationship kind of went away. research that he's looking at I think has also been equivocal. The stuff that has tended to support a link that was used in past cases including California's law that was struck down by the Supreme Court looked at mostly college students taking psych 101 doing little lab experiments that measured pretty much competitiveness and then some people would make a leap between that and real-world violence and I personally don't agree with that. So okay. Shut up already.

1:40:01 science now now so the key one is in this we actually relates back to Anderson Cooper on the thing you just played about you know the the media being somehow involved in all this I think this part to this violent video games clip says it all. Then I want to pick up on that. Let's use a common sense approach here. Do you believe that if we didn't have as many violent video games, there might not be as many of these violent acts in the public domain? Well, that's a tough question because from what I understand, across the years school shootings have not gone up. I guess some of them have been bigger, but it's stayed pretty consistent and we know that since the mid-1990s, as access to violent games has gone way up, if you have a kid you know that, youth violence has gone down. So, and these are such rare events, what's really gone up is the coverage of the events. Yeah.

1:41:00 Right on, absolutely. It's the coverage of the events, which is pretty poor. Now, so in a follow-up to that I have actually two what I think are kind of interesting clips because they're trying to keep Piers Morgan in the game. And so Piers Morgan showed up on the BBC Newsnight. Oh, gloating. Well, he's trying, they're giving it to him and a good example is this, the guns part one clip. I don't play much of it but I think you can see where this is going to head by this question. You know, what happens here affects me and my life and that of my family. And the guns issue here is now, I think, so dangerous and so out of control that something has to give. And if I can help frame the debate in a way that's constructive to getting new gun control legislation, then great. But framing the debate in a way that was constructive, you were telling gun proponents they were stupid. Oh yeah, so it's very obvious what's going to happen. Someone's going to take a shot at him.

1:42:00 That's gonna have to happen if you want to maintain ratings. Yeah, it has to happen. So the guy goes after him pretty consistently and Pierce is going on and on and I think that what he, what the real conclusion was what this guy suggests in clip two and then Pierce kind of avoids the answering the question per se but I think this pretty much summarizes what where this is headed. Which you could put a hundred bullets in which can fire in less than a minute. Yeah. That's killing machines. Sure but But people will understand the arguments. Everybody will understand the arguments, particularly over here. They understand exactly what you're saying, but you're now a political activist. You're not a journalist, are you?

1:42:37 I don't mind what you call me. I'm very comfortable what I'm doing and I'm gonna continue doing it if it makes me popular or unpopular isn't really the point it's what I believe in Yeah, could you just put that in the book John that that someone's gonna take a pop at him? Okay, you think it'll hit home. Do you think here and it was family will will be injured? I don't think so. I doubt it. I doubt it too. I think it's just going to, you know, it's painful if you're going to pull that stunt. I mean, I mean, I know he's got a great contract, but wow, to go through that, to take a, to take a slug for the contract. It's not going to take one for the team. So I, I do want to put one more thing into the book here and then we need to thank some people. I've been really closely observing the National Rifle Association, the NRA in this debate.

1:43:26 And I am going to tell you right now these guys are on the same team The NRA is not your gun friend and you know, I'm looking at they got like a hundred Fifty million a year. I mean really this is the big scary organization That's peanuts these days if you want to get something done You can't get anything done with that kind of money and the the chairman, you know, he makes about it a little under a million dollars a year you know how I look at all these non-profit form 990s and stuff. So that's an exorbitant salary for a non-profit and that's because you know he's an actor he's a very well-paid actor and I think these guys are actually working in concert in concert I tell you to help take away the guns and in fact not only are they doing that but they're they're actually working to now create this you know this crazy list

1:44:19 So we're going to have a nationwide, I think 30 states already have it, but it's going to be, if you've ever been prescribed any type of antidepressant, which is a large segment of the slaves, Then you will not be allowed to have a gun. No one in your house will be able to have a gun. And of course we're also going to misuse that list later on for a whole bunch of other things. You won't be able to opt out at the airport. You'll have a secondary screening everywhere. Maybe you might not be allowed to drive. You know this is this is really where this is headed and I think the NRA is complicit and it just kind of hit me I don't have any full-on force right now other than I do know that they have actually created more expenses for gun dealers and And the gun industry they've made it more expensive, and they actually take a piece of that as well on the back end I I do not think there are they are your friend and what this will all lead to is

1:45:20 eventually is not this like, oh, I don't know what the Alex Jones types are talking about, but President Obama promised very, very clearly in 2008 what his plan was when it comes to security in the homeland, and it is not going to be everyone having their own weapon. It's going to be this. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded. There you go. Remember this because that's what he promised. People forget that clip. Yeah, that's what he promised. A national security force just as strong as our military. Just as strong as our military. So, yeah. So, I'm putting that clip in the evergreens. I have a feeling we're going to have to revisit that in the next couple of years.

1:46:18 What do you think? I think it's, well, you know, it's interesting. Maybe Homeland Security will prevent this from happening since they've become this. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Got my brown shirt on! So we want to thank a few people for helping us produce the show 478, including Sir Alexander Sleznyov. from Espo which is I think Lithuania, is that right? Espo, yeah I think so. Yeah, Espo. I'm glad that things worked out for Mickey and you and you and you could return home. Please accept this contribution as a welcome home gift. Thank you. We'd like to receive a shot of karma to start the new year of 2013. Keep up the good work. $133.33. Absolutely, thank you so much Alex. You've got karma.

1:47:16 Dame Francine Hardaway in Half Moon Bay, California right down the road here. A hundred bucks. Been so pissed by the whole Ms. Mickey thing and by poor Adam's obvious frustration. I'm glad he shares it for all of our edification. Welcome back Adam. Thank you. Indeed of course we torture. You know what's funny is that you know you had these you know how someone from time to time will ask for a little girl yay in the donation segment? Yeah, you know what happened the other day when we started sit when we were happy about something if we had crossed on the milestone like we made it through You know through the entrance for your control. Yeah, then we'd say to each other little girl yay It's because become like a whole thing little girl yay, why don't you play that? This is exactly what I was planning on doing little girl yay

1:48:11 See Mike in Kansas City, Missouri 8888 dear John and Adam Adams analysis of the scripted appearance of Alex Jones on the Piers Morgan Big M Little Organ show Big M Little Organ, that's pretty Was so good that I and I agree with that by the way It was so good that I need to re up on showing my love for the best podcast in universe I wish you there were more people like you see Mike. Yeah, please deliver douchebag call-outs to Jones and Morgan Also, please grace me with some house selling karma as well as some

1:48:47 from anytime you're ready new human resource karma for my fifth human resource who still hasn't arrived probably a girl. Lastly, probably a girl get it. Wait a minute, did he say that? Or are you saying that? He says it. Because you know all the women will get on your shit if they hear you say that. Yeah, right. Well if they... I had one there, I had a joke. Yeah, if they can make it on time they can get on my shit. Heyo! But this is the timing. Timing, that's what makes it funny. It's all about timing, yeah. Lastly, because I believe in value for value model, please give me an Atlas Shrug jingle and if JC spoils it by breaking wind with this, I don't do that, it's on the clip! Does he want to karma with that or is it just a... Well here, I'll tell you what Adam, you play the Atlas Shrug thing and cut off that little thing at the end. Okay. Atlas Shrug by Ayn Rand.

1:49:43 You've got karma. 8334. Do you see what it says? One of twelve. Yeah, one of twelve. Because he's going to become a knight. Yeah, he's going to become a knight. This is great. So this is the kind of hate mail that we get. We need more of this. It's okay, as long as he wants to pay to tell us that we suck, I'm in. I'm in too. John Richeson, New Orleans, Louisiana. He needs an In the Morning. There you go. Charles Hickman in Grove City, Ohio.

1:50:29 Hey Jeb and Andrew, I wanted to take this opportunity to welcome Andrew and Mindy back to the United States. I recently got engaged and need a special you will obey karma for my smoking hot fiancee and before you ask I have already sent pictures. And did you, because I forwarded them to you, did you see them? No. Oh dude, go to your email right now. I can't believe this. I can't believe you didn't see... I forwarded this to you. You always... you forward stuff now and again. I haven't been looking at my email that close. Hold on, let me get to my... You have to see these pictures. Okay, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. It's from Adam, what's the name of the... I can't believe that you didn't see this. It doesn't matter. It's like I only forwarded you like... do the last one or two emails that I forwarded you. Like maybe the last one.

1:51:11 You have to see this. No agenda, no agenda. Detroit donation segment, keep it a good word. You got a whole bunch of stuff here. I see nothing forwarded. Forward donation segment, no pictures included. Really? You found it? Yeah. Now view number one. Yikes. The one with the handcuffs is great, but I like the one with the red rubber ball the most. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. You've got karma. Yeah, these are very good. I encourage this. Because the handcuffs are on her ankles. That's what's so funny about that. I like that. It's great. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Charles. Yeah, funny. I never got the notes from him. I don't think. That's why I forwarded it to you.

1:51:59 Alright, here we go. Where were we? Um... Oh. Crap. Lost my train of thought. We're at, uh... We're at, uh... 69! 69, dudes! Sir Kerry Chim in Hamilton, Ohio. No note, it says. Joseph Frost. Sir Joseph Frost, to you. Wooddale, Illinois. 69, 69. Need all the 69s I can get. Can I get a shut up? It's science. Two to the head. Karma. Shut up already! It's science! You've got karma. Yes you can. Jonathan Rowley in Edmonton, Alberta. Home of the Edmonton Oilers. $69.69. Flat cannons for humanity. Can I get a Hay Citizen Karma? Yeah, absolutely. Hay Citizen! You've got karma.

1:52:55 We have a lot of 6969's today but it's still short of the 22 record. I'm surprised this many came in. Jason Rutherford in Australia. 6969, it's been a while since I've listened to the best podcast in the universe. Oh, as I've been in the dump since my wife, the love of my life and I separated so for the past month... Wait a minute, is that a coincidence? Don't know it's a good question He's been in a recovery mode in southeast Queensland and now looks to go back home on the horse to win back her hand as I return This happens to be my first donation though. I did buy the first challenge coins Not the same my donation is in response for two reasons value for values. I've clearly been a boner so please de douche me Secondly I have some selfishness region a selfish region selfish reasons to

1:53:48 He's got selfishness. Selfishness. He's screwed me up. As I need the universe to align in my favor, so could I please have a karma with a milf? 33 is the magic number. Because his birthday is going to be Thursday the 15th. Also a shout out to my wife's blog, LipstickConfessions.net. I'm looking at, oh, .net? Yeah. I was looking at .com and I was like, whoa! Okay, hold on. Lipstickconfessions.net, what is this? Dear diary, my husband's such a douchebag. Is that what it says? No! Of course not. It doesn't say that at all. In fact it says, confession number nine, anatomy doesn't decide my interests. It's been a few weeks since something in the everyday ridiculous compelled me to write another confession, but a lunchtime trip to the news agency in the business park where I work threw me a clanger. Read more. No.

1:54:49 Okay, anyway give him his deducing pluses other stuff. What does he want? He wants a deducing? He wants a milf and a 33 and a magic number Okay Where's the magic number? So we got deducing You've been deduced That's one mother I'd like to That's the magic number It is, it's the magic number Sir Jason Stevenson lost wages Nevada? Nope, not drunk. Not drunk blitzed. Does it mean not drunk blitzed or does it mean not drunk blitzed? I think he's hammered. Yo! Aldama and Jebediah living the dream of unemployment. My girl left me and even took the cat. I'm crashing with a friend in the UK and it's so gray and depressing can I get a whoop-em with the Constitution and fiscal cliff. Welcome back.

1:55:54 Yeah, we haven't done that one in a while, so I guess we can do that. Here we go. Road wolf in Buffalo, New York 6969. Hey guys, happy to hear that Adam's back. I just looking for a simple de-douching for not being able to donate for a while and a model railway building karma and trains planes

1:56:43 Trains good planes bad I'm sitting here working on my model railroad and need some advice from any no agenda listeners out there who are into this hobby They can find updates and info about my project on my blog at Road wolf dot CA You've been D douche all aboard trains good planes bad You've got karma. It's roadwolf.ca. Andrew Feit, Stockton, California, 6969. In the morning, Jack and Elaine.

1:57:20 It's been far too long since I've donated so I thought I'd come in with a drunk donation even though he doesn't sound drunk in the least and I'd like to request a de-douching and shout at Karma since I'm turning 30 on Sunday. Thanks for all you do so we should Sorry, add him to the the birthday list. Oh, okay. I'll do that right now You've been de-douched You've got Karma What's his name here? Andrew... Fight. Fight. No, is that right? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like Andrew Fight. Fight. And he's 30.

1:57:59 Today? Yeah, at 30. All right, he's on the list. Matt Dallas in Lust Wages Nevada, 69, 69. Hey guys, I'm a long time listener, almost a year now, and finally decided to take part in the Value for Value model. Your analysis of Pierce Morgan and the national gun control debate from last episode was spot on. And what has compelled me to donate? And what has compelled me, that's what's compelled him to donate. Please continue to expose the media mind control propaganda for what it is. I'm hoping to get jobs, jobs, jobs, karma as I try to figure out what I'm going to do in a couple of years when I separate from the Air Force. Matt from Lost Wages, Nevada. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs!

1:58:45 You thought, karma. And that concludes 69! 69, dudes! Fat L in Tehachapi, California, 6611. Here's 66 on the sticks in honor of Jermaine's new rain stick. Many apologies for being a total- Hey, hold on a second. Just want to say something that ever since you did that rain stick on me. It's been raining in Austin three days non-stop So I'm throwing it no no no I'm I am throwing it back at you. You're getting it. It's gonna rain in California I'm blocking it. No you're blocked, and I'm sending it back your way. No rain stick rain stick a go-go rain stick a go-go You are going to rain

1:59:33 in Berkeley. Rain in Berkeley. Brother. All right, where were we? Oh yeah, Fat L, the rain stick. Many apologies for being a total boner. I've not donated recently. Strong work as always. I figured it was time to redeem myself with some cash and hits to the mouth in the wake of the Taft High School shooting. And he does have a clip of him calling him, we'll put this on the next show. He called, radio calls in Chicago and he was on AM. And he put in a bunch of stuff about douchebags. It was actually quite fun. I put it in the show notes. It's long though, it's like three and a half minutes and the quality is kind of crap. But it is very funny because he just keeps throwing all our memes in there and then the idiot radio host is like, yeah, that's great. Thanks for calling. The idiot host. Yes, we can get away with this anyway. So Fat Al's recording is in the show notes. He wants to, don't eat me Hillary, shut up already, karma.

2:00:34 and a de-douching as well. For us and the Knights. And a de-douching, okay. You've been de-douched. Don't eat me Hillary Clinton! Shut up already! Science! You've got karma. It's interesting. It's a good one. Yeah, like that. Works. Works. No name in Den Haag. 5555. Spending three weeks in Gitmo Nation West in the state of Massachusetts. So I can finally listen to No Agenda stream in the morning, also survive the ongoing regional pandemic without being vaccinated, I request swine flu karma jingles. It's the No Agenda Swine Flu Minute. You've got karma.

2:01:20 It's called the Mexican flu. Benjamin Oliver, Birmingham, 5554. Hey I can Tina, I'd love it if you could mention a Kickstarter project my girlfriend's family have just launched. It's called Adastral Fashion, A-D-A-S-T-R-A-L. And it's a custom clothing company. Their aim is to cut out the middleman and provide a link directly to the factory out in Pakistan. This does the customers be very specific about what they want down to a type of sleeve and ensures everyone working at the factory gets a fair slice of the pie. They need a bit of help getting their project off the ground. It's not for everyone, but I thought it might be worth a mention since the no middleman approach kind of resonates with No Agenda's listeners. Anyways, that's kind of interesting. Hold on a second. Let's check it out for a second. A-D-A-S-T-R-A-L fashion.com. I've got their Kickstarter pitch.

2:02:12 yeah yeah with your fashion from Pakistan pocket pocket pocket pocket pocket Okay, there's this sometimes. I have like a host or something. They don't have that bill Hutchinson in Calgary Alberta where all the money is 5510 My yearly birthday gift to myself a donation to the best podcast in the universe wish it could be more but living off donations myself and moving my family of five from Canada to Australia last year was rather costly Wow I need to keep him no agenda minute man membership though. I could realize is less than going I

2:02:53 that it is less than the going voiceover rate but could Adam say this is Adam Curry co-host of no agenda the best podcast in the universe really co-host do you think that is that what it that doesn't sound like co-host it sounds kind of like you know I don't know what's the point of this well let's do it I'll do something a little different this is Adam Curry co-pilot of no agenda the best podcast in the universe Now I want you to say you're listening to Bill Hutchinson the accidental missionary. Hey, wait a minute. Am I being scammed into doing a jingle for him? It sounds like it. Okay. Should I do it? I might as well do it. Yeah, go ahead. You're listening to Bill. It would be funnier if you did it in like your drunk voice. You're listening to Bill Hutchinson, the accidental missionary at BillHutchinson.org. Cheers, Bill.

2:03:56 That's better. Yeah, that's it. That's what you get. David Trotsky in Romeoville, Illinois 51-10. Double niggles on the dime. Birthday shout out to my oldest daughter Mallory, who turns 26 on the 14th and also her daughter, my granddaughter Aubrey, who turns 9. Aw, they're both on the list. All set. All good to go. To Richard Telmo in San Diego, California 50-26. I would like to donate this in memory of Aaron Schwartz, a man whose essence and technical contributions seem to pair well with what you two are doing. RSS, they drove him to suicide if he wasn't killed. RSS feeds an unveiling of truth. There are some parallels, John and Adam, keep up the good work and please give a karma shot to all producers past and present. Without them, today's show isn't possible. That's true.

2:04:41 I would like to say something about Aaron Schwartz. So I have two theories on this. Theory number one, since he was the co-author of RSS 1.0, theory one is that Dave Weiner killed him. That was the first thing I came up with and that's where you're supposed to laugh. Yeah, it's hilarious. Hey Dave, I hope you think you realize it's a joke. As if Dave ever listens to this show. He's an Obama bot. He's a total Obama bot. I thought calling him a murderer was bad enough. You didn't have to like lay the Obama bot stuff on there.

2:05:18 I didn't say Obama butt. So here's the thing that bothers me and we're almost done with the donations. This was a very, very smart guy. And typical reporting is like all you read is he was smart, he was great, he was intelligent, he was depressed, he hung himself. Smart guys when they want to kill themselves, I just don't buy the hanging thing. Yeah, I kind of agree. A really smart guy would set up an insurance policy, do all kinds of crazy things and do a little skydiving. Yes, exactly. Have all kinds of stuff going on and just not... the hanging thing, now that is so 17th century. It just doesn't make any sense anymore and no one's questioning. There's not a single... everyone's like, oh he's dead, he killed himself. Makes total sense!

2:06:10 Total makes total sense. He wanted to find him a million dollars throw him in jail forever makes total sense He was gonna kill himself. I'm not buying it. In fact, I believe that he found something And he was trying to leverage his way out of whatever situation he was in with whatever information he had. And I think he might have had information about some shenanigans that went on with the most recent election, possibly. You know, there was some, there's a whole theory about voting machines and the owner, I think the chairman of the Spanish company that runs the voting machines, he died unexpectedly. He was run off the road by some other car. I have a feeling that he was downloading a lot of stuff and he had a lot of information and a lot of stuff from their Ministry of Justice

2:07:11 And I have a feeling that he was trying to leverage his way out of all this crap with whatever he found, and I think, I feel more comfortable with thinking that he was killed. I just can't buy this hanging thing. It just, you know, and no one questions this. And by the way, a lot of work to hang yourself. Don't want to really cut their wrists and sit in the bathtub. Just take some pills or, you know, I mean, it's a lot of, I mean, for guys to press off, you know, you lose a lot of energy and depressed. Then you think you got to look at the work you got to go through to hang yourself, put up a rope and all this stuff. I was like, no, I don't know that it's going to work.

2:07:50 Exactly. That's also not a surefire way. Nobody knows really about hanging. I mean, you know, is it you had yet to fall a long distance and break your neck or you just choke while you're hanging there? I mean, nobody does not really explained. So why would you do it? I don't, I really don't like it. I'm kind of with you on that. And I don't like that people aren't asking the question, you know. Rest in peace all that. Because, and by the way, just the fact we're having this conversation, there will be people who are saying, I can't believe yet. I can't believe you were talking. He only just died. I can't believe it. I never get these letters. I get it all the time. They're already coming in now.

2:08:32 Oh, that's the chat room. That's another read. I don't know. No, the chat room I think is actually on board with this one. But you know, it's like he was a hero. He was an annoying kid. I remember that. He was, you know, he was way too smart. And he was just way too smart. I remember the early days or like blogging. He's not dead if he's that smart. Who knows? Who knows? We know nothing because as usual everyone just, oh well it's in the newspaper, must be true. It's a checklist, it's like a checklist of boom, a depression, you're gonna be indicted, check, check, check, check, suicide hanging. And you know if Cory Doctorow and Boing Boing write about it, well it's all true, then it's all good.

2:09:14 Shit, it physically makes me burp just to talk about this. Robert Burzma in London. Wait, wait, I gotta do the karma. I can't do the karma. Thank you Richard for getting us on that tangent. Got you on the tangent. Welcome back Mickey and Adam, Rob from London. Thank you Rob. 50 bucks. He's Dutch. And finally Nick in McGowan, Texas, which is right down the road from you. I've been listening to the show since episode 40 and never donated. Wow. The show is practically the only constant in my life. You two are the closest things I have to any sort of family. Although I don't know you personally. I feel that. We could make him feel like family. How about this? After years of following along with your weekly conversations, twice weekly, I don't know what I would do if you had to quit.

2:10:06 Can I get a de-douching and some karma for myself, you two, and for the love of my life, and her new fiancé? What? I don't know. I don't know either. You guys deserve more money, but I don't have any, I've got no more to give, sorry. That's alright, we just need more people to give out this type of money, so we appreciate that and definitely want to give you a karma for that. You've got karma. Thank you very much. He wants a de-douching. And a de-douching, of course. You've been de-douched. So as we are kind of in the slower months and beginning of the year, this is kind of typical. I would like to remind everyone that you can sign up for monthly recurring donations and if you have one you may want to check and see that you still have it. Yeah, most of the time you won't. Yeah, because PayPal has this crazy system where they just stop the monthly payments and don't tell you about it. And they may tell you about it. They tell us!

2:11:05 What they may tell you about it, and then they'll say, oh, no agenda, cancel your subscription. Which we've never done once ever. It doesn't make a lot of sense that we would do that. No, actually, I take it back. One guy, here's the story. One guy said, I can't figure this out. Cancel my subscription. You got to cancel it. So I went to cancel it. And it was already canceled. PayPal had canceled it nine months earlier. Yeah, yeah, so it's the guy wait wait a minute. Let me get this straight the guy wants me to cancel He doesn't even know if he has the subscription anymore It's not that hard to do you have a check you have a like a thing that comes in the mail You know says American Express or the master card shows you all your charges And you might see the no agenda thing on there, and you just suddenly you don't see it anymore Yeah, maybe this is gone. Did that it would be easier?

2:11:54 It's gone. It's just gone. It just evaporates. And also, if you can support us in that manner, it really does help for us to fall back on when people are just like, ehhhh. Because we do get that. People going, ehhhh. Just don't feel like donating. Now that does not deter us from doing the work. I'll be the first to say that. I think we've done quite a bit of work. John had a lot of C-span today, which is work. And I got a zinger coming up by the way. Oh great, that's real work. And you know, we kind of deconstructed what Pooper is trying to do as the Matrix closes and this is it now. I mean, now you know that no matter what you do,

2:12:36 You're not going to get any information from the mainstream media because as Anderson Pooper himself said, I don't even understand the words coming out of his mouth. I mean really? Really? Was it that hard Pooper? Dvorak.org slash N. It's your birthday, birthday! Sir Ray Jacobson congratulates himself turning 51 today and to fight 30 today Jason Rutherford turned 33 on the 15th. Hey, old magic number for you. Bill Hutchinson, he celebrates today and David Troxie says happy birthday to his daughter Mallory. She turns 26 tomorrow and to his granddaughter Aubrey. She turns nine today. Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe.

2:13:25 And no nights no night zero zero on the night edge front that's a shame that is a shame that is a shame our day Pack up the hookers and blow so I got a couple couple clips it Enter the second half of the show. What are you doing? I'm putting the hookers and blow away. Oh Lightning to you. It sounds like this rain stick again. I got it. Rain in Austin. Lightning in California. Swine flu, swine flu, swine flu. You can't beat my... Let's just... I got a standalone clip for starters. My stick is better than your stick.

2:14:18 My stick is pretty cool looking. I have a stand-alone clip that I think is of great interest to everyone worldwide. Importance. And especially to some of our listeners and I just found this to be an incredible clip. This is the guy who's been on, I could have had more clips, Morris Davis, who was the chief prosecutor at Gitmo and quit in a huff and he's going around the country talking about how we should have shut this thing down, it's a joke. You know what it costs to keep a person at Gitmo for one year? I think about $100,000. $850,000. Really? Per person. Holy crap. Are they serving him caviar through that hood?

2:15:02 It's unbelievable. Anyway, he goes on about one thing or another, but this, this prosecutor clip I have here, this clip was the eye-opener. Actually, JC caught it when he was listening to this guy, and he goes, I go, holy crap, nobody knows this. And I mentioned, I think the drone program is another area where it's a mistake to talk about a program when we've got a military program that's governed by the laws of war. You know, you hear people talk about these drone strikes. We use the principles of proportionality and military necessity and distinction and all the law of war rules that regulate the armed forces. And by following those rules, military personnel have combatant immunity.

2:15:45 If you kill during combat, it's not murder. You have immunity as a combatant. And then collateral damage is a corollary of that. If you drop a bomb and it kills the bad guy and some people around them, as long as you've applied the principles of the laws of war, then those deaths are collateral damage that are covered by combatant immunity. But the CIA has a drone program, and that's a civilian agency with civilian contractors. They're not part of the military, and the law of war doesn't apply. They don't have combatant immunity, and collateral damage doesn't apply absent combatant immunity. So I'm not sure where we get the authority to send civilians around the world to commit what I believe is murder.

2:16:35 And then finally we have the kill list. You know, when President Obama campaigned in 08, he talked about how the Bush policies were based on fear and we turned our back on our values and we were going to restore our reputation. But I don't recall President Bush having a kill list that gave him the unilateral authority to decide that an American needs to die without trial. Wow. Hold on. Step back. Step away from your speakers. Wow. Murder. Yeah. Hey, if you're a drone operator, and I know a lot of you are, and you're listening to this show, think twice about that.

2:17:22 Yeah, and it's like this guy is no slouch by the way. He knows his business and when he said that I went holy crap and nobody's talking about it. Nobody's even mentioning this possibility. I think there is because I do know some people who are involved of course you know some of our producers are involved in the drone program as civilians. And I think there is a knowledge of this, but once you get your credentials and you get your classification, because they do hand that out, the Pentagon can essentially give you classification that you can look at top secret stuff. And I think if you're doing some drone killings, you probably have that. And so people kind of forget. They feel like, oh, well, whatever. I'm not a big fan of it. But wow.

2:18:15 Yeah, and you never know. I mean the funny thing is about this sort of thing is like the Nazis felt a certain way when they were obeying orders during World War II and before. Yeah, they loved Hitler. They loved Hitler. And they loved Hitler. It's like, you know, things like this can turn around and the next thing you know you're standing trial for murder. I have two words for you. Predator drones. There you go. So now there's another kind of a stand-alone clip, I'll get it out of the way, which I thought was interesting because apparently fear tactics in Israel are being employed, but there's kind of a gotcha to this story which I'll discuss after the thing plays. But this came from, I believe though that this is Russia today, so they exaggerate for the benefit of the Russians. Gaza was a chance for Tel Aviv to test its iron dome missile defense system.

2:19:06 But Israelis are anxious, in part because of widespread media coverage of just how unprepared for war their country is. Many bomb shelters and residential buildings are run down and neglected or have become furniture storage rooms, while most of Israel's Arab citizens, about 20% of the population, lack shelters altogether. As the chances of war start looking all too real, the army says four times as many Israelis are collecting state-funded gas masks than they were several months ago. I'm a bit concerned. It's not like I think there's going to be a war, but just to subside my fear, just in case. And with impending doomsday predictions circling the country, no one wants to be caught unprepared.

2:19:54 Alright, so that's kind of an interesting story, but let me ask you a rhetorical question. Okay. If all of a sudden they set up shop in Austin and were giving away state-funded gas masks, would you get one? Hell yeah, I'd get a couple. Yeah, I would too. Those things are cool. Yeah, and I'd be testing it out and I'd be doing all kinds of field testing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, everybody wants a gas mask. Please. Meanwhile, Russia Today has this little, they do a bit, which is getting more annoying the more I see it, because there's this little dweebish woman with a microphone and the tag around the microphone says, The Resident. Doesn't say Russia Today, doesn't have the RT. Oh, really? You know that little, what is that thing called? Yeah, it's a mic cube. A mic cube, right, a little cube on there. And so they, and she's walking around and she asks these questions, she's talking to people about

2:20:52 getting out of Afghanistan and whether it's a money grab, what is a good idea, bad idea. So she interviews a couple people. Then she, right after the second guy who was a soldier, I guess, she goes into this diatribe Which is just Russia today giving us the needle as best it can is getting a little obvious Don't think it might be money and imperialism a little bit, too. I Don't believe that it is imperialism. No And what about money? Do you think that money might drive some of our reasons for all of course, but money is going to help everybody I don't think it's happening. I just came back from Afghanistan

2:21:29 So you don't believe that he's really gonna pull the troops away? Not entirely. I think that our presence there is important and as far as sustaining what we've done so far. The bottom line is we're so used to having US troops all over the world up in everyone's business that we probably can't imagine us pulling out of any of anywhere and that makes Americans the world's bullies whether we like it or not. Now first of all little twerp you twerp from Russia today that's who we are and we love it. We're proud of being the bullies of the world okay that's what we do. Of course you know we don't have the gas hooked up to Europe to you know to

2:22:13 to fudge everybody like Putin. You know, and go and kill everybody. And you know, it's like, oh, we need to lay a pipeline through Poland. I know, let's kill the entire government in a plane crash. Come on, come on. At least we're out there with our uniforms. You can see us coming. Okay, we don't pull crap. I mean killing the whole government of Poland which is what they did yeah come on It's unconscionable come on come on I know if I can just switch gears yesterday John was the third anniversary third anniversary of the earthquake in Haiti

2:22:51 Oh yes, in fact I saw a lot of stuff on this, I almost got some clips, I do have no clips but you have them obviously. And there was all kinds of stuff going on. Oh yeah, Bill Clinton was in Haiti and everyone's like, oh yes, Bill Clinton visits Haiti on the third anniversary. And you know, it's like, oh, okay. So if you have not been listening to this program for the past three years, then you will have missed the fact that pretty much, well first of all the day after I said this whole earthquake thing was set up and it was an earthquake machine, you can believe me or not, but we have been tracking the billions of dollars that went absolutely everywhere except to people in Haiti who are still eating dirt cakes.

2:23:36 They put in a musician as the president after they kicked out his band mate because his bridges grew too big for him. They've given away all the mining concessions up there at the north. We had three presidents going, we just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water. just send your cash and the entire amount that those two shenanigan bozos collected according to their recently closed fund was fifty four million dollars please so insulting we do have some countries like canada is now saying hey you know we're shutting it down because you know what's going on and i read these reports and here here's the here's the mean that is used here's the word

2:24:20 Well, there was a lot of money that came in and they had all these NGOs, which stands for non-governmental organization. And this is where it always happens. Because the money comes down from places like the Red Cross, who then they skim all their crap off the top first. They got to have their big buildings and their big salaries. And they have big buildings and big salaries and nice staff cars. Then they're going to dole out the money to other NGOs, which are always classified as well-intended. There was well intended. Well, you know what? NGOs, this crap has got to stop. All of these, it's like the Robin Hood Foundation for Sandy. They had the party, the big celebrity concert, they're now taking that money, they got hedge funds with the money, and then they're going to give it to other NGOs. It never actually reaches the people at the bottom. This is what's so disgusting. There's still 280,000 people in Haiti who are eating dirt cakes and are pooping cholera. So Jonathan Katz wrote a book

2:25:20 And he's a total scam artist himself, as you'll hear in this little piece from the BBC. And he assesses the situation in this little kind of like beautiful montage video. And then of course he goes straight into all kinds of bull crap about the billions of dollars that are just stolen. Stolen I tell you! Stolen! And you sat there and you texted your $10 and watched the concert and felt great and then went to bed in your warm bed and thought you had solved something and changed your Twitter icon. You stupid losers! So here is the BBC report of what actually happened, what we've been saying for three years and then unfortunately it goes into the total New World Order crap it always does. The frank answer is that it hasn't gone well. There was a feeling after the earthquake

2:26:06 that a lot of help was coming. A lot of it was very visible. Militaries, planes filling the sky, boats filling the harbor. And by the way, a lot of that money went to the military operations. Repairs on ships were paid out of that money. Every single day that one aircraft carrier was out off of the coast of Haiti, it was like $80 million that they were charging to the charities to pay for that carrier being there. Trucks appearing in the street carrying all kinds of aid. The phrase that Bill Clinton used was to build back better and it's very obvious to anybody who's on the ground in Haiti right now, not just Haitian, that that didn't happen. There's barely been any building back. What has been built back certainly isn't better and frankly the lives of most people are harder than they were before.

2:27:00 All evidence shows that the cholera epidemic was brought to Haiti by United Nations peacekeepers. After the earthquake, one of the major goals that the responders set for themselves and one of the major justifications for the response was to prevent the outbreak of disease. So the irony is that after all of this noise and all of this panic about a coming epidemic, The epidemic that was feared was actually caused by the responders themselves and had absolutely no relation to the earthquake whatsoever. So one of the major themes of the book is really this question of us and them.

2:27:46 and that no matter how hard we try, we often end up reducing conversations about Haiti and the international community in Haiti to a question of us and them. And Haitians can often do the same thing. And it's a really destructive way of thinking. All right, so this just goes into more bullcrap New World Order stuff. But let me just tell you one quick thing before I wrap this up about Haiti, because we're going to do it again next year. Now there are hotels built, a huge Marriott funded by the idiot douchebag from Ireland, Digicel, the owner there. He sues people for even saying that he's an idiot douchebag. So you're an idiot douchebag, you Irish Digicel douchebag.

2:28:28 building Marriott hotels, Bill Clinton building hotels, cruise ships are dropping off tourists and the hotel is built so that you don't see actual Port-au-Prince tent camps. The whole thing is just completely disgusting. But Haiti was actually a free country. They had freed themselves from the tyranny of France and they had a debt. And this debt Partially was paid back from the money that you sent to help these poor people who were living in dirt It went to France Hey, so that guy that you clipped I he was also on the world and if you go to the world org you you can listen to that clip at the very end of the clip

2:29:12 I was going to clip this for the show, but I have too many clips already at the very end of the clip They said well We're going to have a special that we're going to continue this on the website And he's going to discuss where all the money went with account at some sort of accounting never appear never no of course not He's just selling a book Yeah, it's a book tour and remember. I I'm there's two things I mentioned on the last show one Molly No sooner had I said watch out for Mali than the French are now bombing terrorists in Mali. You seen this? Yeah, we've been following the Mali thing. And I also said be on the lookout for this women drinking thing and binge drinking thing. And our one Pakistani producer, well you know how they are,

2:30:03 Sent me a scan it's in the show notes of a newspaper in Pakistan and here it is page 20 don't miss Binge drinking is a growing problem amongst Indian women not only in the metros But in smaller towns as well starting January 13th night 91 foreigners all recovering alcoholics will tour the country teaching their Indian counterparts to step back before tipping over so there is something going on with this and with this women, women getting drunk stuff. Yeah, the WBRC station says report more women binge drinking than men. And CDC, Capital of the Gazette, the CDC says binge drinking can be worse for women. Of course we did that last show. Yep. Here's one that showed up today. I think this is The National.

2:30:59 Lady Gaga lighting up a joint on stage in Amsterdam. Singer Lana Del Rey sharing one in her video, Born to Die. Rihanna posting suggestive pictures on Twitter. A lot of young celebrities and a lot of them women aren't just using pot, they're publicizing it. A lot of them women, celebrities. There's something about it, there's something going on. Yeah, there's something, we'll figure it out. Yeah, eventually we will, eventually. Probably we'll figure it out before anybody else does. And so amidst all of this, the Scotland Yard released a report about Jimmy Savile. Of course, no one paid any attention to it. It was so funny. So the report details, I think, like over 250 complaints that they've now... They've been ignored. 250. Let me just play the clip for you because it's hilarious. Because I want you to remember, the guy received a papal knighthood from the Pope.

2:32:02 he received a knighthood from the Queen, he was best buddies with Margaret Thatcher and her husband. You know, at a certain point you've got to think, was this guy maybe just arranging the goods for all of the pedophiles of the UK? I mean, come on! The Catholic Church! We know what's been going on there. How many people do you know have had a papal knighthood who are also a celebrity? I don't know anyone who's got a papal knighthood. Exactly. This guy was in the upper echelon of all elites, you know, hanging out with Prince Charles. There has to be... I'm telling you, they eat children. Yeah, this is your basic theory, but play the clip. According to the report by London's Metropolitan Police and a child protection charity, Saville used his celebrity status to hide in plain sight. Police say they are aware of 214 criminal offenses recorded against him.

2:32:59 Saville was never brought to justice and his victims have been left looking for some kind of resolution. CNN's Matthew Chance has been hearing all the details of the investigation. He joins us now from Police Headquarters, Scotland Yard. Matthew, what more does that report reveal? Well it reveals quite a lot. One of the issues you just brought up is of course that Jimmy Savile is dead, there isn't going to be a criminal prosecution against him and this report which I've got in my hand here called Giving Victims a Voice is an attempt by the police here in London that have been leading this investigation into the

2:33:35 the goings-on of Jimmy Savile, say that it's their attempt to try and at least get down in document form all of these testimonies that they've received over this period of more than 50 years. From 1955 to 2009 they've been hearing evidence from people who say they were abused during that period. 450 complaints in total so far Made against Jimmy Savile 214 of them as you mentioned have been recorded as actual abuses amongst those 214 is included 34 instances of rape the Victims is also quite astonishing between eight years old and 47 years old copy of the report in the show notes go have a look at that. It's crazy

2:34:25 Like, oh, well at least we have a report. More good work by Scotland Yard. At least we have a report. A bunch of a-holes. Yeah, there's all kinds of... You clearly shut me down, you don't want me to talk about it anymore. I get it. Well, you make... It gets boring. I know it gets boring. President Obama paid a visit to a clinic at the Pentagon this weekend, but don't worry, it wasn't for a case of the flu. The White House tells us that it was just a, quote, routine fitness evaluation, the results of which will be released by the end of the month. The president's last exam in 2011 found the longtime smoker to be tobacco free and consuming a healthy diet. Yeah, interestingly enough I checked, the last time he went to have a checkup he didn't go to the Pentagon. What did they have to put new batteries in him or something? Yeah, they got to put new batteries in him. That's exactly the same thing I was thinking you beat me to it. It makes no sense. No president has ever gone to the Pentagon for his checkup. Well they do if he's a lizard. I'm sorry, I have FBA

2:35:33 You can't laugh too much. Yeah, FBA, what is that called again? You can't even remember it. Was it FAB, FBA? That thing's going, that by the way, that is going nowhere. Someone, one of our producers wrote and said that, you know, the cure for that is actually cough medicine. That, that diamethylene tryptowaka, waka laka, whatever it was. Yeah, the methyl, the bromide thing or whatever it is they put in the dimethyl, I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, he said whatever that was. It's a codeine substitute. Yeah, it's basically just drinking some cough syrup for this, I mean, it's a crazy, you know, I'm going to pull it up right now. It's a crazy thing. And it's FDA approved. Well, yeah. Dimethylene bromide, is that what it is? I think that's what it was. Let me see. Show notes. I got it here. Hold on.

2:36:23 PBA, pseudo bulbar effect. Bulbar. Pseudo bulbar effect, that's what it was. And you got to look it up again if you want to see what the... But anyway, the cure being sold by that guy, Dr. Jonathan Fellis is nothing more than cough medicine and we fell for it. Well, we did. Okay, well I think we're done. Did you not have an end of show clip or something? No, no, we can push those off to another show because it's kind of a concise trio and to be honest about it, my end of show clip is like so weird. If you want to, I think we're done. I think we got enough stuff. No, no, I think we're done. We can keep it. I will be here on Thursday. How about you?

2:37:13 I intend to be here producing nothing, but this thing and being on the show that you produce... Producing nothing! He produces nothing. Exactly. But I will be... well actually I produce from my own website, but... I will be here with C-SPAN clips in tow. Yep. The Kennedy clips which I was gonna save, which the guy came out with a book on Joseph Kennedy. There was a great, great, a lot of great material. He gave a great speech on Book TV on C-SPAN. I watched the whole thing. It's very interesting. Nice. And probably catch a few more things in the meantime. Okey-dokey. Very educational. Well,

2:37:55 I shall be doing the same and probably reading some legislation which is always fun. Why don't you try to dig up that 1972 treaty? I will, that's a good idea. And I will also make it rain in California! Coming to you from Tejas, Austin, Texas. In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. Uh-oh, looks like it's gonna rain there. I'm from Northern Silicon Valley. Hey! Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Make it rain, Dvorak. The best podcast in the universe! Dvorak.org slash N-A-W-R-A-K.