Episode 202 · Sunday, 23 May 2010

Trains To FEMA

Media manipulation at West Point meets the rise of synthetic life and industry-led oil spill commissions as global tensions mount over high-speed rail and border security.

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About this episode

Fox News utilized sophisticated video editing to remove enthusiastic applause from President Barack Obama's West Point commencement speech, according to evidence presented by videographer Micah Phillips. The network seamlessly jumped between segments of the address to eliminate cadet cheering, creating a false impression of the reception for the administration's Afghanistan and Al Qaeda policies. This technical manipulation highlights a broader trend of media distortion involving high-profile political figures and international events.

Former counter-terrorism official Richard Clarke revealed on C-SPAN that the United States maintained 33,000 nuclear weapons during the Cold War and detailed a 2007 Israeli cyber attack that blinded Syrian radar to facilitate the bombing of a secret nuclear site. Meanwhile, President Obama appointed William K. Reilly to lead the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill commission despite Reilly's extensive ties to ConocoPhillips and TPG Capital. In China, a series of suicides at the Foxconn manufacturing complex and two fatal train crashes have fueled theories regarding high-speed rail infrastructure and its potential role in citizen relocation to FEMA camps.

Model Naomi Campbell faces a subpoena at The Hague to testify regarding a blood diamond allegedly gifted by former Liberian President Charles Taylor. Closer to home, the White House press corps engaged in a heated debate over whether a rodent spotted on the lawn was a mole or a vole. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak also track the global assault on salt led by the Codex Alimentarius and the emergence of synthetic life funded by the Department of Energy.


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CHAPTER 01 / 29 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 202 Introduction and Pronunciation Guides

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open Episode 202 of the No Agenda show, originating from their respective "command centers" in Southern California and Silicon Valley. The hosts discuss the correct pronunciation of Australian cities Melbourne and Brisbane using the website Forvo. They also promote a song by Sir Jeff Smith, encouraging listeners to visit the show notes to support the artist.

adam curry· john c dvorak· melbourne· brisbane· forvo· jeff smith· gitmo nation

00:00 December, December, December, December. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's May 23rd, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 202. This is no agenda. Preparing for the big one and coming to you from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center and get mo nation west in the People's Republic of Southern California in the morning I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley. Well, we now will pronounce it Brisbane and Melbourne. I'm John C. Dvorak The morning to you sir, so I got a note from somebody only one oh

00:40 I don't get that much mail, so but I'm not encouraging it So they sent me to there's a site for vo have you ever seen it the site that had does all these pronunciations you so you can pronounce anything pretty much what's it called it's the FRO VO I think for vo for mm-hmm Yeah for vo comm and then they have people that pronounce different words or somebody I have seen that yeah, you need to learn how to pronounce Melbourne and Brisbane. It's not Melbourne It's not Melbourne not Melbourne Well, the problem with Brisbane is that we have a city nearby down the street which is called Brisbane. Which confuses things. Well, it's kind of like Houston and Houston. I think we've been through that before. Right. So we had an earthquake. A couple of them. Did you know? Yeah. Well, in Baja again. Remember we were supposed to have a 7.2? Oh right, the predictor said that. Yeah. Right, so we got like a 5.4. Disappointment!

01:38 Did you even notice it? No, not at all. And by the way, you know, when I hear 7.2, I'm not impressed because it's not like they're using the Richter scale anymore. 7.2 is not how it used to be. Well, it's just they needed a high number because all these threes and fours weren't exciting enough. Well, I'm finding it disturbing that they've changed the scale and really didn't tell anybody. Yeah, well, they did, but... Oh yeah. Yeah, we weren't paying attention. They told who? Exactly. So if people who are listening to this on the podcast missed the fantastic Jeff Smith in the morning song which will be playing at the end of the show and I encourage everyone to go to the show notes noagendashow.com and purchase this to support Sir Jeff who has been supporting this show for quite a while.

02:34 I guess it's like it's a great song. We played it at the end, right? Yeah, and it's only it's I love what I love about Jeff is he knows when to stop. It's like two minutes and 45 seconds. It's a hit. It's a 45 back in the good old days like the Beatles used to do that, you know, two minutes, 45 seconds. Boom next record. And that's a long song. There was a number of hits from Creedence Clearwater that were 155. Yeah. Yeah, that was when we could jam 18 songs into an hour. We also had only one commercial set. So it's cold down in Southern California. Yeah, I think it dropped about 10 degrees. It's yeah, it really is. It's quite chilly, but I've got the window open for two reasons, of course, one just to keep the oxygen flowing and two so I can hear the black helicopters.

CHAPTER 02 / 29 Discussion

Bret Michaels and Celebrity Apprentice Finale Predictions

Adam Curry highlights his successful prediction that Bret Michaels would reach the finale of Donald Trump's Celebrity Apprentice. The hosts analyze Trump's promotional tactics and the timing of the finale, which coincides with the series finale of the television show Lost. They express skepticism regarding the authenticity of reality TV storylines and discuss their lack of interest in following the complex plot of Lost.

bret michaels· donald trump· celebrity apprentice· lost· finale· reality television

03:24 All right, I'm sure we have lots of groovy stuff. Maybe I should just throw this one out there Even though we've already we've already kind of claimed it. I think that now back to real news So not only did I predict that Bret Michaels would be on, would come back to Celebrity Apprentice, tonight is the finale, the grand finale, and Bret is one of the two finalists! Yay! How can that be? That's right, yes, I say Bret Michaels for the win! We told you so! Ha!

04:03 This was so set up. I mean, you know, you see what Trump does with his, uh, with his USA, Miss USA pageant. I mean, the guy, the guy's a genius and he has no scruples. He'll go over anyone's illness or nothing holds him back. Well, that's true. He's got, he has no, uh, pride whatsoever. Scruples I think is the word. Scruples. Yeah. Scruples. Just like screw it. Hey, Brad, I got a great idea. Okay. Come on man, you diabetic, come over here. Look, here's what we're gonna do. You're gonna have like a brain seizure, eh? I got this place out in Arizona. You can hang out there. I'll set you up with a couple of hookers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a blow. We'll split the proceeds. It'll all go to your diabetic foundation. I'm telling you, the guy's gonna win. He's against, oh, who's he up against, Halle Berry?

04:53 If you I'm not gonna watch it anyway, what am I thinking? What is it lost on tonight the final lost? Oh That's why he needed all this attention. He knew he was up against lost. Oh, yeah, he's gonna have his butt handed to him Wow, I mean I haven't watched lost for the last five years. I was the first came out I know But I think I'll watch it tonight. I watched the first The first season I followed on iTunes and and I don't know and then you miss one or two I was like, okay, then you just you can never get back into it. No because it was too weird There was new people there were strange things going on. There's a sub base or something aliens You know people living in a volcano I mean it I don't know and this is and this is from from me that I don't

CHAPTER 03 / 29 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits and Weezer Correction

The hosts acknowledge financial support from John Catalano and AJ Reistad, naming them executive producers for the episode. Adam Curry issues a formal correction regarding Patrick Wilson of the band Weezer, clarifying that Wilson is a founding member and vice president rather than a touring member. The error is attributed to a "bad steer" from Michael Butler.

john catalano· aj reistad· patrick wilson· weezer· michael butler· executive producer

05:37 I don't even want to follow it. I mean, what does that say? And yet all this stuff is hitting all my buttons with secret symbols and Dharma and you know, I should be loving it new All right. Do we have any? Support for this program for this much. Oh Christ. You got to get our people back on board Yeah, so we got a couple of I'm gonna you got a two producers Let me get the spreadsheet up One is John Catalano, House Springs, Maryland, who got in as the executive producer for $200. So all the people that, you know, their timing is off.

06:21 But I also have to add one other guy, which came in as a check. It actually should be in the Deuce Club, but since we overlooked him completely and he's going for a knighthood anyway. Another $200 comes from AJ Reistad. That's A-J-R-Y-S-T-A-D. It doesn't say where he's from. Hold on a second. Now is this going to be an executive producer? Yeah, just put him... These will be the two executive producers, no associates. So hold on, I have John... Catalano and What was the the guy with the check AJ? Uh-huh rice dad. How do you spell that? Ry whoops STAD Okay, so well this really blows

07:10 Yeah, I know our listeners have let us down. I feel severely let... I know I'm not supposed to be in a bad mood when this happens. But you always go into a... Yeah, this is like, what? This is, by the way, we can anticipate more of the same during the summer, because in the summer things just dry up. People aren't listening, they're not going to work. I don't know. And I think that unemployment numbers didn't help. No, well then let me promote a few PR aspiring PR associates first of all dude We I mean I really I I'll meet me a copa. I suck Patrick Wilson from Weezer sent me a note. Oh by the way hold on a second. I do have a correction It's house Springs, Missouri. It's not Missouri, Missouri What did I say? Missouri, Maryland, I said Maryland. It's Missouri got it. I

08:05 And it is pronounced Brisbane Thanks Patrick Wilson says yo, dude It's Patrick Wilson not Wilcox and I am a founding member and vice president not a touring member of Weezer Well who gave us the bad steer? Michael Butler! Oh right! Michael Butler! You were there when he said it! I'm like, and it's like, completely, so I blew the name, that was my mistake. We finally have a house ban, the guy is like a founding member, vice president of the Weezers, and I, and I, and I totally diss him.

CHAPTER 04 / 29 Discussion

No Agenda Amateur Radio Initiative and Ham Radio Memes

Listener Mike Snyder proposes a "No Agenda Amateur Radio Initiative" to promote the show within the ham radio community. The proposal includes using "In The Morning" (ITM) as a Morse code sign-off and utilizing APRS status messages for show links. The hosts discuss the evolution of amateur radio technology and the removal of Morse code requirements for certain licenses.

mike snyder· ham radio· amateur radio· morse code· aprs· in the morning

08:42 This is on you. I know I know so I I sent him a note back. He said I suck I suck please will you ever forgive me? I wonder we didn't get any money and then yeah exactly and then he comes back with no worries now You know I'm screwed then right once. Oh, yeah, yeah, I do a song about The douchebag wait I have to Help these guys out. That's what I get a mispronunciation and bullcrap Mike Snyder, Kilo November 8th, Juliet says in the morning, Adam, I'm an amateur radio operator. I suspect there are several hams who listen to No Agenda. I posted an idea I had for the No Agenda Amateur Radio Initiative on the No Agenda forums and I think this is a great idea.

09:25 Because you know when the grid comes down these guys are still gonna be around and he has all he has all these crazy ham radio PR ideas Such as include no agenda links in APR status message packets. Ooh I don't know what APR status message packets are but I just got something to do with their packet radio stuff Yeah, cuz that's like digital right and this is not like just guys sitting in the oh yeah, this is change over the years there They're doing all kinds of wild stuff. Yeah, it's real high. I mean, I know they have I kind of dropped off the scene when they're doing slow scan TV and that was already quite cool. Use no agenda avatars and links on related websites. Okay, conduct no agenda nets on UHF VHF HF. I love it. I don't know what it means, but I love it. I got to get me one of them ham radios to listen to.

10:16 Well, it's easier to get a license nowadays if you just want to do, I think, if you just want to do VHF stuff. You don't need to learn Morse code anymore? I think the Morse code thing's been dropped. These guys can correct me if I'm wrong. And I like to start an in the morning or similar phrase meme during communications to arouse others' curiosity. I think that's a great idea. See QDX, see QDX in the morning? And this is the best. CW operators. So you know you have the Roger beep at the end when they end their transmission with DDD. He says they need to end it with did it da da da which is a Morse for ITM in the morning Oh cool, so we just change the universal Roger dirty can we get? I'm loving it and then a quick shout out to Jeff who is the guy who made the in the morning tea and

CHAPTER 05 / 29 Discussion

Adagio Tea Controversy and Audience Demographic Survey

A custom tea blend titled "Hit-Em-In-The-Mouth Tea" was removed from the Adagio Tea website due to controversial label art featuring sheriffs in combat gear. Additionally, the hosts discuss a new listener-created website, noagendasurvey.com, designed to deconstruct audience demographics. While hesitant about surveys, they acknowledge the project as a self-selecting amusement for the community.

adagio tea· jeff smith· alan chao· demographics· survey· in the morning tea

11:10 And he put up another blend which was taken down from the Adagio tea website. It was called a Hit-Em-In-The-Mouth Tea. The subtitle was, This tea packs a double punch. The refreshing crisp notes of lemongrass and sweet tartness of strawberries will make your head explode. And I thought that was fine until I saw the label he made for it. Did you see this label? No. Or did I? I'm not sure what his label looked like. Hold on. I'll send it to you real quick.

11:45 I'll post it in the chat room too. Yeah, no wonder they took it down. It's like it's like two sheriffs in full combat gear pointing guns Oh Did you see any in the sky the head T and to the head T exactly and then there's a new website That's in there fun right funny. Actually, I think it's funny too, but they took it down Alan Chao, I think he pronounced it has created a new website no agenda survey comm which I'm a little torn about He says, I'd like to help deconstruct the no agenda audience demographics. Now, I don't like surveys personally. Although he has it set up in a pretty fair manner, it goes through Google spreadsheets. You can set up a survey option there and I think everyone can see the results. And he asked a lot of interesting questions like, are you a crackpot? Are you a buzzkill? You know, stuff like that. So I'm a little hesitant to promote an initiative like that.

12:46 uh... but it's i don't have a problem with me i think is always everyone knows that these things are self-selecting and skew a seriously skew in one direction or another i think it's just a an amusement they're fine And of course, without a doubt, our PR associate today is Sir Jeff Smith, who came out with the In The Morning song, which will play in its entirety at the end of the show. And of course, thanks to John Catalano and AJ Rizstat, you are the executive producers of No Agenda 202. Put that shit on your resume! Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. World, all in! Come on, John! With me now!

CHAPTER 07 / 29 Discussion

Naomi Campbell Blood Diamond Testimony at The Hague

Model Naomi Campbell is subpoenaed to testify at the International Criminal Court in The Hague regarding a "blood diamond" allegedly received from former Liberian President Charles Taylor. The hosts discuss the legal implications for Campbell and the role of Mia Farrow in the investigation. They also debate the jurisdiction of international courts over US and British citizens.

naomi campbell· charles taylor· blood diamonds· mia farrow· international criminal court· the hague

15:35 I don't know. Clearly there's something going on that we're missing. I think I have a couple of examples. By the way, John, I do want to say that the Times Online reported on something that you brought to the show six, seven weeks ago, I think. Naomi Campbell is now going to have to testify in the International Tribunal in The Hague about receiving the blood diamond from... yeah, from... who was it? From the Liberian president? What's his name again? The ex-guy. Yeah, yeah. What's his name? Taylor. Taylor. She'll have to testify under oath at the International Criminal Court and you actually brought this as real news like six weeks ago and now she's really gonna have to stand there and we know that she said, no, no, go away. Shut up, slave!

16:34 Now she's gonna have to testify if she really received the blood diamond or not and who was it Mia Farrow? They should drag that scrawny bitch in front of the criminal in the Hague the International Criminal Court makes her have that way is she gonna go because why does she has to go? What do you mean? You're being subpoenaed. I guess you got to go. You don't have to go. It's not like Lindsay Lohan. Just I don't have a pen passport yeah but she's lindsey lohan's you know subject she has to go to america she's a united states citizen she's got responsibilities uh there's no responsibility to this criminal court this kangaroo court that they set up by americans

17:10 that they have to go to it, then screw you! Now I know what would happen though, this is what they're gonna do, I guarantee it. Naomi can't all go unless she's British, so I guess she does have to go. But let's just say an American is subpoenaed to go in front of this crazy court and they don't go. America doesn't recognize it, right? We don't recognize that court. No, we don't recognize it. But we don't go and then the next time you're vacationing in Paris or you just happen to be visiting... Pick you up. They pick you up, happen to be on the catwalk. And they throw you in the slammer awesome, so this was a story that President Taylor

17:46 Had received diamonds from Sierra Leone in mayonnaise jars And just because he liked Naomi for no other reason than that He apparently allegedly gave her one and she showed it. No, she told me a Pharaoh and Mia Farrow forgot to ask to see it Yeah, that was the dubious clown story. The crazy one. It's like what woman is going to not want to see it Show me that diamond show me that rock, baby. I Alright, so pulling apart the media and this is something that one of our producers I guess it's Micah is that is that how you think it'll be Micah Phillips? I think yeah, Micah Phillips So Micah brought this to our attention and I found out something even more ominous after researching it and putting the clips together Our president Obama if for those you living and get my nation headquarters

CHAPTER 08 / 29 Discussion

Barack Obama West Point Speech and Fox News Audio Manipulation

A videographer named Micah Phillips reports that Fox News edited footage of President Barack Obama's commencement speech at West Point to remove enthusiastic cheering from cadets. Adam Curry performs a side-by-side comparison of C-SPAN, WhiteHouse.gov, and Fox News clips, concluding that Fox News used sophisticated editing to eliminate applause and seamlessly jump to a different section of the speech regarding Al Qaeda and Afghanistan.

barack obama· west point· fox news· c-span· micah phillips· media manipulation· afghanistan

18:42 Did the commencement speech, I guess, is it commencement or graduation? I think it was the commencement speech. Yeah, at West Point, which of course is a very prestigious This is the Army Academy, is it not? Yeah, this is the Army Academy in West Point. And so my... By the way, by the way, Obama says this is the world's greatest university. What is he going to say to the people of Minneapolis? No, no, no, he said it's the best university, not the greatest. He said it is the best, like it was, like Consumer Reports wrote that down somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, I heard that too. I watched the whole speech, which is... I couldn't stand it. Well, there's a couple of reasons because one I'd already heard I was already interested in the speech That's the reason I didn't watch I already heard it. No, no, I Was interested because I picked up somewhere that he was proposing a new world order and we need new unsurpassed collaboration and you know, so there were some crackpot

19:38 stories about it. Then Micah sends us a note, he says, I'm a freelance videographer and today's gig was filming the West Point graduation ceremony. Now I'm sure both of you will have an interesting take on Obama's speech. Well, yeah, it was boring. But me being there has allowed me to share with you a very interesting example of very subtle media manipulation. And Micah doesn't know how unsubtle it really was. During the speech Obama made mention of the fact that he plans on ending the war in Iraq and bringing the troops home this summer immediately after he mentions plans on ramping up Afghanistan. That's another story. As soon as he said troops home this summer the crowd went nuts. I mean they went apeshit. They cheered for a good solid 20 seconds. Cut to me getting home doing a vanity search to see if I wound up in any pictures online, which is typical for videographers. I found this Fox News article

20:30 and see that the audio had been altered to remove the cheering. And I discovered something else actually, but first there's three versions of this clip. I had already pulled the clip from C-SPAN, and then I pulled it from WhiteHouse.gov, Then I pulled the clip that Mike is referring to in Fox News. So first, let's listen to the relevant piece on C-SPAN time If you will everyone who's listening live at no agenda chat at no agenda stream calm and in the chat room No agenda chat can time it with me

21:14 and listen to the audio because of course it's not just pictures that get uh... uh... well whether purposely manipulated or not uh... you can use different sounds to give different impressions remember micah says everyone went ape shit and he was there and i'm presuming he's telling the truth so here's a the c-span version of uh... the relevant piece of the speech lesser army might have seen its spirit broken but the american military is more resilient than that Our troops adapted, they persisted, they partnered with coalitions and Iraqi counterparts and through their competence and creativity and courage we are poised to end our combat mission in Iraq this summer. Even as we transition to a... Okay, so you can kind of hear way in the background, you can hear the crowd screaming but basically the crowd isn't... the crowd mics aren't really on if there were any mics.

22:18 and I counted about 12 seconds of a smattering of applause. Yeah, it sounds like a sound effect applause. You know, they're kind of like, okay, yeah, whatever. They're kind of that kind of applause. It's like, yeah, warm is the word. So now the version as posted on whitehouse.gov. This time of war began in Afghanistan, a place that may seem as far away from this peaceful bend in the Hudson River as anywhere on earth. The war began only because our own cities and civilians were attacked. And please time the applause again. And it continues only because that plotting persists to this day. For many years our focus was on Iraq. Year after year our troops faced a set of challenges there that were as daunting as they were complex. Now you already hear a different microphone. You hear he sounds a little bit nasal through this particular mic. A lesser army might have seen its spirit broken.

23:20 But the American military is more resilient than that. Our troops adapted, they persisted, they partnered with coalitions and Iraqi counterparts and through their competence and creativity and courage we are poised to end our combat mission in Iraq this summer. Sounds a little different, right? Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Okay. Even as we transition... Okay, now Fox News. and uh... this is video and you can get the link in the show notes now also time the amount of time between uh... the president saying this summer and him starting at the next piece of the speech began only because our own cities and civilians were attacked by violent extremists who plotted from a district place and it continues only because that plotting persists to this day

24:20 And John, I want you to pay special attention to this, see if you pick up what I pick up on. This really blew me away when I heard this. The clip has not ended. It's just completely silent right now. Nothing. And the president is just looking around and then they... Our campaign to disrupt, dismantle and to defeat Al Qaeda is part of an international effort that is necessary. So, first of all...

25:09 They removed the applause entirely after he says this summer. They didn't just remove the applause, they cut it, they cut the sound and the president's just looking around. I looked at this video probably 50 times and I was like why is, because I was timing it, why is that only 10 seconds? They actually edited the video And he comes, I can't even see the edit John, it could be a whole different speech for all I know. He immediately launches into this whole thing about Afghanistan. They actually change the speech and it's undetectable in the video. Listen to what he comes back with in the original. Here's the original from the whitehouse.gov.

25:55 Even as we transition to an Iraqi lead and bring it back. So he's like, ah, transition to an Iraqi lead, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now listen to the Fox News version. A combat mission in Iraq this summer. So we, they go silent and you cannot see an edit at all. But is he going to talk about Iraq when he comes back? No. Here it comes. Our campaign to disrupt, dismantle and to defeat Al Qaeda is part of an international effort that is necessary and just. So they basically... This is a different kind of war. So they rewrote the speech essentially and made it look like it was a continuation, made it look like he bombed.

26:32 You got no applause whatsoever. But the thing, you know, he has a certain wooden quality that we've seen before that makes it probably easy to do this sort of edit. John, I looked at this video 50 times. You cannot see the edit. There is no edit. I don't understand. It's like a whole different speech. You can look, you can go to the show notes, you can look at this, look at it as many times as you want, you will not see an edit. Yet he, there's a whole different, a whole different piece to the speech. I don't get it. He just, apparently you got an editor over at Fox who's really good. Yeah, but I mean that is, that is, and he goes into this, straight into the Afghanistan rap and about the insurgents and we gotta go kick their ass, America fuck yeah, brr. And I'm just, I'm like what?

27:25 It is undetectable. And I mean, I saw the fake planes in the World Trade Tower. I mean, I saw that video immediately and pegged it. But but this this is good so either it's it's a whole different speech because it's cropped So you can't see an audience. You can't see anyone standing to the left or the right of them or or I don't know I mean you can't it is undetectable if and people in in the audience Producers go look at this and you tell me if you can if you can see the edit I cannot find it hmm it really really really blew me away and

28:05 Well, obviously somebody's got some good gear. They have to do an overlay to get his face in exactly the right spot. I'm going to paste it in the chat room here. The edit could come, probably, could be, you know, he could be, I don't know, they could be editing while he's talking. It might be like he looks like he's starting the second, the first part. Well, I will say on the C-SPAN version, they cut to the cadets kind of clapping, not going apeshit by the way, there's a small cutaway of the cadets. during the original 12 seconds. And this is just him, he's on stage and he's moving his head, he's turning from left to right and you know there's supposed to be applause. It looks very similar to the original one that C-SPAN has. Or that the White House, it's the same as the White House, I'm sorry, C-SPAN is the one that cuts away. But I'm pretty good at this stuff. I mean, I can see edits, I see crappy edits all the time. I don't see this one.

28:58 And he goes into a completely different part of the- I couldn't even find that piece in the original speech. It was either before or further along. It might have been- well, it's only 30 minutes, so... Anyway, uh, I just- I was just blown away, and I think my- I want to thank Micah for pointing that out. Maybe that was the speech given by the other Obama. You caught me off guard. I don't know. I don't know, but it warrants investigation and the fact that there's only 10 seconds. So that means that either there's an edit or it was a different speech because there's 12 seconds on the original and 10 seconds on this Fox version. And it's just like, what? How did they do that? Anyway, if that guy is listening, you're hired. You are so working for us. That was awesome. It is one of the most awesome edits.

29:55 Yeah, the guy will never be, you know, you'd have to be working at Fox and nose around to find out who it was. Well, somebody may come up with it, but regardless, I mean, I know after the show you'll look at it, John, and you'll look at it just as many times as I did, you'd be like, I can't see an edit, so I'm dumbfounded. First of all by the fact that they just cut off the audio, like oh make him look like he sucked. And then let's go straight into Afghanistan and we're gonna go kick their ass. You know the way you're supposed to do it if you don't like it and you don't like the audience applauding

CHAPTER 09 / 29 Discussion

Television Production Techniques and Audience Mic Failures

John C. Dvorak recounts his experience filming "Silicon Spin" for ZDTV/TechTV in Las Vegas, where the production team failed to mic the audience. This resulted in a broadcast where jokes appeared to receive no reaction, making the hosts look unsuccessful despite a live audience that was actually laughing. The anecdote serves as a technical explanation for how poor audio production can humiliate a speaker.

silicon spin· zdtv· tech tv· audience miking· television production

30:34 you know you'd have them say the line and then you'd have a plot, then you'd fade, you'd do a fade or a cutaway or something and you'd tighten up the speech. Yeah exactly, you'd cut the piece out, exactly. And you wouldn't just leave a bunch of dead air. But this is what doesn't make sense, the way they just cut the audio, I mean it's so apparent, I mean you hear it and everything goes dead, I mean they just literally like chopped it out So not even lower the volume. Which also makes them look like an ear. I did, I think I've talked about this before, I don't want to hear the horn, but when I was doing Silicon Spin and some other stuff at ZDTV became Tech TV, they took us down to Las Vegas and they put us in front of this huge audience.

31:15 And we were chatting and it was and every once in a while you'd say something extremely funny and the audience would go nuts. The audience would go nuts and idiots. They never mic the audience. Yeah, you heard like... You hear nothing. And so if you watch the thing being broadcast, it would be like you'd say something that was funny, got no response, but because you were waiting for the audience laughter to stop, so you could time back into the discussion. Instead of that, you just saw the group of us sitting up there with blank stares, Yeah, not talking for no good reason and it makes you look like an idiot. That's the only reason you do that and then Dvorak's bombing Dvorak's bombing. Yeah, you mean you make them look like an idiot, but because the sound edit was so poor That's why I can't believe that the that the video edit was so awesome. That's what doesn't make sense To get that video edit. They may have had to kill the sound. Mm-hmm

32:09 I don't know man. Well yeah, because he was still in the final finale of the applause when he started talking about his second issue and you just can't cut to something completely different so it would sound like there's applause and then nothing. I'm not saying that's the reason they did it. I thought they're obviously they wouldn't have left it so so much dead air unless they were trying to humiliate him It was just it was just an unfair Kind of thing that I mean this would be all these networks are that are just lopsided. It's ridiculous I'm surprised you know no wonder people listen to our show and they say I don't even watch real news anymore And I was trying to find a clip of Don Lemon yesterday. I did it again John I'm kicking myself in the arse so hard I'd flipped on CNN and

CHAPTER 10 / 29 Discussion

CNN Marsh Burning Report and BP Deepwater Horizon Webcam

The hosts criticize CNN's Don Lemon for reporting on the burning of Louisiana marshes as an "epic" disaster, despite local officials stating it is a routine annual practice. They further analyze the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill, suggesting that BP's decision to provide a live webcam feed of the leak is a psychological tactic to drive up global oil prices by creating a sense of scarcity.

don lemon· cnn· bp· deepwater horizon· oil spill· louisiana

32:53 I would just flip through the channels. I land on CNN Don Lemon, Don Lemon everybody, Don Lemon on the weekend here, CNN headline. And I think he has the governor on for Louisiana. I don't know who, he had like some official. Jindal? No, it wasn't Jindal. I can't remember. And he's like, well now I hear that they're going to have to burn the marshes down there. It's like, oh, this is really horrible. It's an epic proportion, huge magnitude of... And this, I think it was the guy, I don't know if it was Jindal, he says, well this is exactly the type of disinformation that people like you spread which is ridiculous. We burn marshes every single year. And Lemon gets all defensive. He's like, but AP says, AP says, AP says that this is incorrect. And then the guy says, yeah, this is like no big deal. I'm not saying that we don't have a problem.

33:43 But burning of the marshes is something that is very typical. We do it all the time We do it every single year and then lemon is like so wait a minute So what exactly did I say that was wrong? And I couldn't I was honest like please because I did on the wrong on the wrong cable box the one that doesn't record And I'm hoping it will you do this? I know I'm a douche Douchebag! Because all the news networks are running this live video of the deepwater break. And I just want people to think logically for a moment. This is a BP video. It's on the BP website. I've actually linked to it in the show notes.

34:34 Now if BP wanted to, if they were really upset and wanted to downplay and didn't want to put their drilling rights at risk etc. If they were really good guys and they weren't as I assert actually trying to get all kinds of noise in the marketplace and eventually have the price of oil pop up to a hundred because they can say oh we can't drill anymore. they wouldn't be putting a live camera down there and giving the feed to everybody. This is so illogical and no one seems to understand this. The BP is saying, oh here it is, look how horrible, oh look at this, oil is just spewing out, please watch our live webcam.

35:13 Does anyone not follow the logic that this is a setup? I mean, it's like so obvious and all the networks like, oh, we've got this video, exclusive live video. Look at this, it's just spewing out. Well, of course, they want you to see that. That's the whole point. Because the inventory is already, everyone's running out of oil now. So now the price of oil is going to go up to 100 and all these guys have got oil sitting in tanks that they paid 40 bucks for and they're going to sell it for 100. It's so easy and now we have more power to them. Yeah now we have another possible blowout scenario in the North Sea Norwegian oil company stat oil has evacuated most of the employees except a few who will stay behind and apparently get blown to pieces and

CHAPTER 11 / 29 Discussion

Presidential Oil Spill Commission and Industry Ties

President Obama appoints former Florida Governor Bob Graham and former EPA Administrator William K. Reilly to lead an independent commission on the BP oil spill. The hosts highlight Reilly's extensive ties to the oil industry, including board positions at ConocoPhillips and advisory roles at TPG Capital. They question the impartiality of a commission led by industry insiders.

bob graham· william k reilly· epa· conoco phillips· oil spill commission· world wildlife fund

36:05 uh... from uh... one of their deep sea rigs and uh... the north sea isn't even that deep and I'm not quite sure how deep it is uh... but they've got a pressure buildup and they're expecting a blowout so that's on the horizon. Oh no. And now the president because of course he's on board with the program and has to uh... and has to propagate uh... how horrible this all is and I'm not even going to play the video of him again saying that this is a spill of Epic proportion, you know a magnitude the world has never seen before except on a live webcam brought to you by BP and he has put in or called for an oil spill independent Commission and So he's nominated former Florida governor Bob Graham Who is a Democrat? Yeah, he gets some work for these guys. Well, the other guy is more interesting Bill Riley

37:06 Aka William K. Riley, and this is just too funny when when you see this guy's resume Currently advisor to TPG capital. It's actually one of the largest buyout firms in the world along with KKR He is on the board of Canoco Phillips Royal Caribbean International You know oil guy. Yeah, why not but but he was the former EPA under 41 HW Bush and since then the guys just gone on to become like the hugest oil shill in the world Bring him in It'll be good. He really has our interest at heart. He really wants to save the environment. Oh, no. I'm sorry He's also on the board of the World Wildlife Fund. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we know those guys are straight and narrow

38:01 So it's just hilarious. It really is. I'm just like, okay. And by the way, I still have yet to see Real and I keep seeing the same like still frame which is a beautiful shot by the way I think I first saw it on Boston calm when you see like some water droplets close up of a sea that's like kind of churning and it looks like there's oil in there and you don't know exactly where it is, but I don't see anything on the shores. I don't see Tons of birds washing up dead all oil covered. I'm just not seeing it. Well, that's gonna happen It's better I'm so disappointed

CHAPTER 12 / 29 Discussion

White House Press Corps Vole Debate

A minor incident involving a rodent running across the White House lawn during a presidential address becomes a topic of debate for the press corps. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs faces questions about whether the animal was a mole or a vole. The hosts mock the media for focusing on trivialities while major global events are occurring.

robert gibbs· vole· mole· white house press corps· rose garden

38:40 It just doesn't this is weird the cabal. Yeah. Well not much we can do about it I just want to point it out the bigger news was the vole the what the vole in the apparently they were giving a What is the vole you don't know what a vole is either no vo le oh uh... i was i was a violent violent but i think it may be v l it's a little more muscle containers like the federal that uh... the walk by the president's electorate yeah and apparently the president notice it and so that is a very so if you got my vote clip idea gibbs uh... showing his ignorance uh... and had to bring it up in the for some you brought up in the press conference it was a big debate to get this is uh... the press secretary at the k a the president's mouthpiece the seal

39:31 I gotta tell you, that's a rat. Where I'm from, that's a rat. And moles are treated as such. What's the president's level of concern about this? We've been online all day. We've been online all day. We've been checking it out. It's a mole. It's a mole. It's a mole. It's a mole. I don't know, but they keep tweeting it. A mole is a rodent about that size. But it's not a mole. It's a mole? Ask the hybrid. Make your card service. Give us an answer. If we didn't have so many people in the Gulf working on this, we could... What's the President want done about it? That he did not get into. Look, my guess is that it lives out there somewhere in the Rose Garden quite comfortably. It would be a pretty good Rose Garden to live in. I still think

40:21 it's definitely not a mouse i've seen a mouse that they're not nearly that big but i'm now going to go google ball and see uh... uh... if john holdren is around thanks guys John Holdren is around. That's funny. So there's a bunch of, you can hear some of these guys and one guy defining vole by the way. This is the world press by the way. The tail was too short for it to be a rat. It had to be a vole. This is the world press. This is the world press. And they're all kibitzing and one of them says, are they going to capture it humanely? You can hear that guy in the back. You could use root way. You just see him holding his hand up waving it They're gonna capture the vault humanely and this is like this is what this is what news passes for you Yeah, it sounds like a bunch of clowns Is it's a big theater? Oh man, that's funny. I like it. Oh

CHAPTER 13 / 29 Discussion

Richard Clarke on Cyber War and Political Grievances

Former counter-terrorism official Richard Clarke discusses his book "Cyber War" on C-SPAN's Book TV. Clarke reveals that the US had 33,000 nuclear weapons at the height of the Cold War and criticizes George W. Bush for refusing a cyber attack on the Iraqi banking system prior to the invasion. The hosts interpret Clarke's comments as a mix of insider information and personal grievances against political figures.

richard clarke· cyber war· hillary clinton· george w bush· nuclear weapons· saddam hussein

41:17 So, over the weekend, I don't even have one-tenth the number of clips I could have for the show because there was a number of really entertaining afterwards and book TV shows which has got to be, if anybody wants to, you don't have to sit around on Saturday watching C-SPAN. You can Set up your recorder and record some of these things they is so much better than a talk show to have some book author Who's done a lot of work on some topic to stay haven't you know? Basically spill their guts about you know the real importance of the what they just wrote and and to let them talk for an hour Yeah, hold on a second hold on a second. It's what we do don't have to see

42:04 We just want to keep reminding people so that they support the show because so well we do yeah, we do we watch C-SPAN so but but there's so much difference between there's such a amazing difference between somebody discussing their book for an hour and somebody coming on Letterman and and then giving him five minutes or six minutes between commercials right and so And one of the things that I've noticed, especially with some of these people, a lot of people have, a lot of writers, especially if they're ex-government or whatever, they have grievances. Oh yeah, which is why they write a book, right? Because they're pissed off. Yeah, the grievances are in the book, but they also, you can tell what the grievances sometimes are because they bring them straight out.

42:46 and as a sides and so Richard Clark the get who is mentioned last week show who is the ex CIA guy who is obviously still working for the agency in some way who supposedly was sounding the alarm about 9-11 you know back in July before the September and now he's sounding the alarm on cyber cyber war and he has a new book called cyber war and he has uh... he's revealed a number of interesting things but what i wanted this to anecdotes i want to play that there were one is he's kind of slams hillary in an offhanded way uh... it just as he did just got nothing to do with what he's talking about just throws this piece this factoid in and he

43:29 The way he does it, I got the feeling that Hillary was supposed to keep her mouth shut about how many nukes we actually had during the Cold War, but decided to blab it anyway. And so he does, he just kind of, he puts out this little, little aside that I found was highly amusing. Which one is it? Clark mentions Hillary. Oh, okay. Sorry. Here we go. Balance was this concept of mutual assured destruction. Essentially what MAD said was, if you attack me with nuclear weapons, even if you surprise me, I will have enough nuclear weapons left after your attack to totally destroy you. We, the United States, came up with that theory. We built enough nuclear weapons. By the way, we now know how many.

44:21 Hillary Clinton announced, or the Pentagon announced last week how many nuclear weapons the United States had at the height of the Cold War and how many we have today. It was like 33,000 nuclear weapons at the height of the Cold War and it's like 5,100 or something today. The way he says it, announced, you know, as though she wasn't supposed to say anything. Stupid bitch. And then he takes on Bush with this little gem, which I thought was a... this one actually made me lift my eyebrows because it was just nasty. ...asset understanding or even an international treaty today not to attack international banking because everybody's invested in everybody else and the whole international financial system is so interconnected that for most countries

45:08 maybe not for North Korea, maybe not for Iran, you could create agreements to say, don't attack this. Before we invaded Iraq the last time, there was a plan to do a cyber attack on the Iraqi banking system and essentially to steal Saddam Hussein's money so that he couldn't escape the country with his money. And President Bush said no. He was willing to kill a hundred thousand people and willing to invade and bomb the country back to smithereens, but he wasn't willing to mess with the banking system. Oh, that's great. That was a winner.

CHAPTER 14 / 29 Discussion

Military Jargon and the Term Exfiltrate

The hosts examine Richard Clarke's use of the word "exfiltrate" to describe the unauthorized removal of data by hackers. They define the term as military jargon for removing personnel from enemy territory, now adapted for cybersecurity to describe moving terabytes of information out of a network.

exfiltrate· military jargon· data exfiltration· richard clarke· computer terminology

45:47 Oh my god, what's the name of this book? Cyber war we got to put this in the no agenda book club. This is fantastic I want to read this I wonder if it's available in the iBook store. Oh My goodness, that's great. It didn't want to mess with the bank just offhandedly the fact that it can be done Yeah, yeah, I guess you can that's great. That's me. So he also hmm As part of the theme for this show, at least from my perspective, that we were discovering new words. I've got another Clark clip here that is titled New Word. See if you can identify a word he, by the way, and the word he uses once in this clip, he uses and uses and uses. But see if you can identify this word, because as soon as he said it, I said, I have never heard this word ever being used, ever.

46:38 Then you find the person who might provide the information, you have to persuade them, you have to pay them, you have to do all of this manipulation. And it's very risky. And what do you get as a result? A shoebox filled with paper. In one hour, a hacker can get in to a network and exfiltrate equivalents of the Library of Congress, terabytes of information out the door. Exfiltrate. Yeah. I guess that's a combination of extracting and infiltrating. Definition of exfiltrate. Hold on. Exfiltration. Wikipedia. Military jargon for the removal of personnel or units from areas under enemy control by stealth, deception, surprise, or clandestine means. Also a term used by civil engineers, a method for managing stormwater runoff.

47:46 Hmm in computer terminology Exfiltration refers to the unauthorized release of data from within a computer system this includes copying the data out through covert network channels or the copying of data to Unauthorized media there you go. It's a military term. Yeah, well, it's gonna catch on it's got a nice sound yeah, we need to exfiltrate some support and from our audience. Yes, we do. We need to exfiltrate something. Let's just put that into our own vernacular. I'd like to exfiltrate another clip from Richard Clark, John, if you have one.

CHAPTER 15 / 29 Discussion

Israeli Cyber Attack on Syrian Nuclear Facility

Richard Clarke details a 2007 Israeli operation where a cyber attack was used to disable Syrian air defense networks. The hack allowed Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets to bomb a secret nuclear facility without appearing on Syrian radar screens. The hosts discuss the implications of this "primitive" cyber warfare and Clarke's appearance at the Spy Museum.

israel· syria· cyber war· f-15· f-16· air defense· spy museum

48:27 Yeah, I do. This is actually Clark describing some, I don't know if this has ever been publicized, I didn't know this. I know, remember when the Israelis went and bombed some nuke facility in Syria, it was a few years ago? Vaguely. It flew in and blew up some, something. It got very little news coverage and there wasn't a lot said about it, except for the fact that it happened. There wasn't a lot of protests or anything, but he actually describes a situation that I didn't know about. Here we go. Days, the way Europe was last month because of the volcano. What if all that happened at the same time? And what if in addition to attacking those civilian infrastructures, the military organization that was attacking also attacked the other military?

49:20 So, they turned off the communication system of the other military. Perhaps they turned off the air defense of the other military. To make this clear, let me give you one example of how that could work. Cyber war, the book opens with a scene in Syria in 2007. Syrian air defense operators are sitting there at night, almost midnight, they're looking at their radar screens, there's not much up in the air in Syria at that time of day, time of night. Nothing going on, all is well. At the exact same moment that they thought the sky was empty, the sky was filled with Israeli F-15s and F-16s that had flown through Turkey and then done a right hook and come down into Syria to blow up a secret nuclear facility.

50:16 in the corner of Syria up near the Turkish border. They bombed it, destroyed it and escaped and never once did any of those big F-15s and big F-16s show up on Syria's radar screens. And the F-15s and F-16s were designed in the 1970s and they're big and they reflect radar like a Christmas tree lighting up but they never appeared on the Syrian radar screens. because before Israel launched its planes, it launched its cyber attack. Secretly took over the Syrian air defense network and gave the Syrian air defense operators an image that Israel wanted them to see, which was nothing's happening. Those explosions you hear in the background and those airplanes you hear flying overhead must be someone's TV. So cyber war has already started. There are examples of cyber war.

51:25 Estonia was attacked a few years ago. Its banking system, its government ministries, its phone system crashed. People from Russia, perhaps the Russian government, but people in Russia did it. A year later when Russia invaded the nation of Georgia, as their tanks were rolling across the border into Georgia, their cyber attack was simultaneously occurring, bringing down communication systems, banking and other key functions of the Georgian government. It's not a theory. It's happened. It's happened on a small scale. It's happened somewhat primitively. But it has happened in the real world. And we know that a lot more can be done than has happened in cyberspace. You know, it's so obvious to me that this may not even be true, what he's saying.

52:22 yeah no it's a good thing you don't know and in this sounds like you know i don't know it's all scary you know you know trust us we've got to take control of your inner webs this is right and the other thing is when did richard clark become an expert in this field of of of expertise and i think all that's very obvious cia's species spook let's face it shop and he is you know this book is written by the agency I think there's a lot of books out there like that. I think it's probably got a lot of good stuff in it, but again, it's information that we're being fed for a reason. And if you listen to this whole speech of his, which was given by the way, and here's what's funny about it, he was given this speech, this was a speech he gave us an hour, approximately an hour, it was given at the Spy Museum

53:11 of all places, but the hilarious part is when you're watching this because they have posters everywhere there's Richard Clark at the podium and these posters all around him with the one word big word spy and it's like the spy museum you walk in there's nothing there it's all covert I'm sorry you can't, I mean you just look at there's Richard Clark talking there's this word spy all around him surrounding him and it's like hello can you get the message let's don't be too subtle about this And so we have a spy hello, don't this stuff. Yeah, like what is this information good or bad? I don't know but he did get his little his digs in on Hillary and Bush and a few other people well Yeah, yeah, and I think you get to do that right when you're out there You have to have you have to come across as having some kind of credibility So I think that I just throw some shit in there We don't care as long as you propagate the message and this of course will be used to shut down the internet and

CHAPTER 16 / 29 Discussion

Resignation of Dennis Blair and the HIG Interrogation Teams

Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair resigns, with the hosts speculating on a connection to the police shootout involving anti-government activists Jerry Kane and his son in Arkansas. They discuss the formation of the High Value Detainee Interrogation Group (HIG), a mobile team led by the FBI. The discussion focuses on the potential for targeted assassinations of US citizens labeled as militants.

dennis blair· jerry kane· hig· fbi· interrogation· reuters· sovereign citizens

54:08 and stop people from messing with the ministry of truth. And this is probably no coincidence that the chief dude in charge of all intelligence, what's his name, Blair? Yeah, he quit. Yeah, he... You know, and it's... I've been following a couple of different threads. Dennis Blair, he is the top intelligence advisor. I think this is the guy who was placed in between the CIA and the president. The middleman. Who's a no-win situation. Yeah, like the guy's probably looking over his shoulder all the time. Is it gonna be a CIA bullet or something else? And so he resigns all of a sudden.

54:53 And I'm receiving some reports that he resigned because he was so distraught over the assassination of Jerry Kane and his son Joseph. Which, and I think these two stories just might tie together. Do you hear about this? No, I'm all ears. Well, Jerry Kane is an anti-government guy. Who has a website and he does speeches and I don't know he might have an infomercial But the guy has been around for a while and he tells you how to you know not pay taxes and not get arrested And yeah, essentially taking the the Constitution to its extreme Which of course there is only one way to to it really interpret the Constitution but his way is the opposite of what what government really wants you to think and

55:47 And he has I think we even someone sent me the password to his website So he's one of those that you know that the IRS is illegal. Yeah, exactly exactly Let me just if I look at his website for a second. Hold on. Oh Also, he's big on how to prevent foreclosure of your of your home. So here it is Jerry Kane is beautiful son Joe were shot down by law enforcement Thursday May 20th while on route back to their That's his website, his home in Florida. So foreclosure, he has sample letters that you can send. He has all the interesting information. I guess really more against the banks than anything, which is probably more dangerous than being against the IRS. And he gives classes and he basically shows you how to keep your shit without the banks coming and taking it all away. Credit bureaus, how to deal with notices.

56:47 Uh, guy's kind of a weird looking, well he's very weird looking now because he's dead. They caught him at a roadblock and they shot him and his son. And it's very sketchy as to exactly what happened. The report of Las Vegas this past Tuesday where they'd given one of their financial seminars were en route to Safety Harbor, Florida to deliver another one while traveling through the state of Arkansas, by the way a fine Clinton state, they were intercepted by what the US media is calling one of Obama's interrogation teams and that's from a Reuters article at an interstate highway roadblock where the shootout occurred killing two police officers

57:30 Further reports Kane and his son were tracked down 90 minutes after the initial roadblock shootout to a Walmart parking lot where in a hail of bullets both Kane and his son were killed and Another two police officers were wounded and when you see these guys it makes no sense that these guys don't look very hostile I'll tell you that let's look at a couple of guys trying to make a buck by showing you how not to you know that you can stand up to the banks and not have everything taken away and And so the idea here is that Blair's like, wait a minute, these guys were essentially ordered to be assassinated, which of course now the president can pretty much do. Just say, oh, you know, you have no rights anymore under the

58:13 anti-government dissident order. Right, and he's already given the kill order on a couple of US citizens. Yeah, who don't live in America. And so this is the story is that Blair quit over this. He said screw this I want no part of it. Let me out of here. This is nuts. And I think there's some credibility to that. Well yeah, they quit for some reason. Yeah, well. warrants more investigation but it is nothing's gonna come of it well I'm not I'm not done yet you spend your time watching the book club I'm going down to Florida maybe not the Gary Weaver's you know same thing it's a assassinated him

58:59 But they didn't assassinate him. They made him toe the line by killing his wife. Yeah, next to him. And a baby and a dog and whatever. But this whole thing is weird where you like these interrogation team. Listen to this Reuters article. This is Reuters. Headline, Obama starts deploying interrogation teams. The Obama administration has started using special law enforcement and intelligence teams to interrogate suspected militants in the United States. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced the formation of the, here it comes, High Value Detainee Interrogation Group and gave the reins to the FBI replacing the CIA that did not have the lead role in intelligence interrogation. So there's already a rift there between the CIA and the FBI.

59:50 The program calls for the deployment of mobile interrogation teams made up of specialists from across the law enforcement and intelligence community to question important detainees whether they are in US custody or in the custody of foreign government. So mobile interrogation teams. So this is, this is, this is, you just roll up. Hey, we're from HIG. This is what it says, a high value detainee information group, interrogation group, the HIG. It says it right there on the royalty report. We're the HIG pigs. We're here to ask you some questions. Shut up slave, we'll shoot you like Jake. Didn't you see the badge? Yeah, yeah. Oh man.

CHAPTER 17 / 29 Discussion

Birthday Shoutouts and Listener Donations

The hosts provide birthday wishes to listeners and acknowledge various donations. Notable contributions include a $51 gift from John Henry in honor of Puerto Rico potentially becoming the 51st state and a $60 check from Tom Kilbride with a "screw PayPal" message. They express concern over a seasonal dip in high-value donations.

kashif hussein· john snyder· puerto rico· tom kilbride· paypal· donations

1:00:32 That's terrible. It is terrible. And how come the media says nothing about this? And what are these two, these two, as you like to say, jabronis, they were like high value, some guy giving seminars about paperwork. High value, baby! I've got to brighten the mood here. It's your birthday, birthday On NOA Agenda Alright, a couple of birthday shoutouts. Qasif Hussein is his birthday today. Happy birthday on behalf of the entire NOA Agenda crew, consisting of me, John and Eric Vachille. Eric Newman's birthday tomorrow and celebrating her birthday today as well, Sir John Snyder's mother. Happy birthday to y'all from NOA Agenda. It's your birthday, yeah

1:01:23 We have a couple of people in the Deuce Club we forgot to mention. Dave Koss is now in. I think we did the mark... Koylan thing yeah, I remember I remember we did the pronunciation of Mark Koylan right right, but he wanted to shout out for his business seed care I think that's what we do that. I don't know man. I don't know we can we can get pretty wrapped up in these pronunciations We can get very distracted has been Brisbane. That's right some other donors this week again it was a people should step up I think and This is like, this particular list that I'm seeing here is back to... Two years ago. Yeah, it's going to say 18 months ago. John Snyder, $60. Hussein, or Kashif Hussein, we just mentioned, $52.37.

1:02:21 He also, yeah, he's in Frankfurt. Brett Meriwether gave us 51.15 and he's going to do a promotional discount at the Hay on, is it Hay on Y? Y-W-Y-E booksellers.com. is in uh uh herefordshire hey on hey on why it says why doesn't it all uh hey h e h a y o n w y e which is an area booksellers dot com uh... will put it in the show hey on pay on why i guess i think that's a ways pronounced jeffrey glennon at gales ferry connecticut uh... courses that he just a night uh... just uh... he's a knight could lay away so he's headed to a night with john kelly is too and then i've got some some checks that that showed up in the mail box

1:03:14 and we need to mention these folks including one I'm gonna put up till next week or till next Thursday so you know who you are. We have a Kerry Washimoto who turned 55 and so he gave us 55-55. Oh nice. And he's in somewhere in Toronto it looks like. And John Henry who's in Puerto Rico uh... he says he's been listening since show one and i guess you could call me a fan i've contributed before but it's been a long time so i feel i'm sliding toward douche dumb so here's the fact that he gets deduced right now

1:03:51 yeah okay you've been t-duced awesome he's given us fifty one dollars in honor of puerto rico becoming the 51st state puerto rico welcome maybe that'll work and then sixty dollars came in from uh... tom kilbride in waco who has sent a letter in with the words across scrawled across the top in big giant print screw paypal and uh... was it like newspaper print cut out no it's actually some type font that's kind of interesting at what might have a copy of it by he gave a sixty bucks and that was it for this week we didn't uh... i would say we did poorly and i hope that uh... people out there don't want to get mailings from me that rather uh... well does it well that's is this just because we're not providing value john i mean i don't know i think we are going to be we did get a lot of uh...

CHAPTER 18 / 29 Discussion

Preaching to the Choir and Audience Growth

Citing author Melanie Phillips, the hosts argue for the importance of "preaching to the choir" to reaffirm the beliefs of like-minded individuals. They discuss the show's 95% male demographic and encourage listeners to introduce their spouses to the program to increase the audience base and support.

melanie phillips· the choir· demographics· podcast growth· in the morning

1:04:47 of smaller amounts. I'm not going to say we didn't get any money. Well, yeah, we always have our $5 a month. We always get the smaller amounts. And I see a lot of people are subscribing to the lucky $30 monthly subscription, which is always a good thing. I would recommend that. But yeah, we have to do better on the next show, and I hope everybody realizes that. well you know with the uh... i'd the black dot org slash n a i think the site still up and set up a good you check that can't always be the problem are going to be selected national before it dot com slash n a maria to appropriate size and you also know agenda show dot com is linked there and i put a link in the uh... my posting them to on the door consensus site this week

1:05:36 to re-emphasize this issue. Yeah, it's weird. We have a lot of people that have never... We have thousands of people that listen to the show that have never given us 10 cents. and they religiously listen. Now I don't mind it from, you know, there's a bunch of people that hate the show and for some reason listen to it religiously just because they, I don't know what their problem is, but that's what they do. And there's another thing that I wanted to do, I've been trying to emphasize for people to get others to listen to the show and I have some clips that I'll be bringing out, some really interesting ones from this writer Michelle Phillips. who was on over the weekend discussing a book that's very interesting but she made an interesting point as just a mostly talking about the UK and how it's got to the point where she you go out and you talk to normal people people who are there the the you know the heart and soul of the country and they have certain kinds of thoughts that nobody's art is reconfirming and she made this interesting point and I have a clip about it which is

1:06:34 In England especially, and probably in other parts of the world, we always make the joke about, ah, you're just preaching to the choir. She says you should be preaching to the choir because in many parts of the world, the choir, nobody's talking to the choir anymore. Yeah, exactly. That's a very good point. Wait a minute, why are we even the choir? Nobody else is thinking like us, are they? And so people who are thought leaders have to reaffirm to the choir, in other words, get people who already are kind of on board with what the kind of things we talk about, get them to listen to the show because you're not gonna make anybody switch over. I know a lot of people that are completely left of center and they have these knee-jerk reactions to everything and they listen to the show once and this is too disturbing for them to listen to this show. They're never gonna become normal listeners. But the choir people, many of them never heard of the show. Those are the people that we need to get on board and we can get these donations up because we need more listeners.

1:07:34 And and I think certainly today's program the opening of the show with all of the real news It should be it should be a breeze to get your spouse to listen because we know we have like a 95% guy ratio We have a couple of dames which are and and I say that not disparagingly but dames as in knighted female listeners and we love them and we and we cherish them and But it would seem so easy if you can get your spouse listening and otherwise you're headed for divorce anyway, so you might as well do your best because you're not thinking the same as her. And if you don't help us, if you don't support the show, we'll have to continue making our own jingles. Welcome to New Agenda with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discussing the topics of the day including global warming, illegal immigration, Lindsay Lohan and C-SPAN.

CHAPTER 19 / 29 Discussion

Media Memes and Global Leaders Catching the Vibe

Adam Curry plays clips of radio host Mark Levin and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, jokingly suggesting they are adopting "No Agenda" style catchphrases. The hosts also mention the technical infrastructure of the show, including searchable show notes and structured data formats like OPML.

mark levine· hugo chavez· alo presidente· in the morning· opml

1:08:29 It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning. And every single comment the first three days is like, this is a great app in the morning. It really hits people in the mouth. It's like the funniest thing. New people are downloading this app and they're looking at reviews and like, hey, what's up with the in the morning cult here? The amount of clips I receive

1:09:20 Where people catch the in the morning vibe is it's pretty astounding. Let's see. This is from the marriage counselor He's just walking to the parties ago. I'm with Erica in the morning You start to catch on Mark Levine from the Mark Levine show and I decided yesterday to go back into it and So you think I'm kidding, it's true. You don't need to listen to everybody in the morning. You listen to me, then you'll know what's coming in the morning. The guy must be listening to us, there's no doubt about it. All the guys listening to us, bad guys not listening. And Hugo Chavez said, hey, you in the morning guys, you should know my jingle. Aló, Presidente. That's his jingle. Aló, Presidente. Aló, Presidente. That's the name of his show.

1:10:16 Hello presidente. So yeah, the war act org slash na channel Dvorak comm slash na and we really could use your support and please don't forget we have Show notes that accompany this program and that alone I think is is worth supporting this show. They're highly searchable They're they're used in many different Apps for different mobile devices. It's it's a great resource. It's available in in a structured data format OPM L I mean there's work being done here. Oh John this was kind of cool the what's the name of the company again that makes the iPhone is that high? That makes the iPhone. Yeah, don't they do all the Apple stuff on high thought it was I thought it was No, I can't the Foxconn

CHAPTER 20 / 29 Discussion

Foxconn Suicides and European Airspace Control

A wave of suicides at Foxconn's manufacturing complex in China is discussed, noting the company's role in producing Apple products. Simultaneously, the hosts report on the centralization of European airspace under the "Ashmageddon Council" and Eurocontrol, following the volcanic ash disruptions.

foxconn· hon hai· suicides· china· eurocontrol· ashgageddon· european commission

1:11:10 Let's say the Foxconn or Quantum. Maybe it was. Or Quanta. Quanta. I thought it was Foxconn. The ones that were nailed to the thing. The eighth person killed themselves at Foxconn. Well there was another one. An employee of manufacturer Hon Hai Precision Industry died after plummeting from a building at the company's massive manufacturing complex in China. Which has been rocked by a wave of suicides where two other workers fell to their deaths just last week. What is going on there? I don't know it seems like... Oh yeah here it is, Han Hai also known by his trade name Foxconn. There you go. Okay it's Foxconn. Like, you let that bastard have the 4G iPhone and got stolen by Gawker. Take him to the root. Take him to the root. Not the root! That's exactly right man.

1:11:58 That's exactly right. Oh, suicide. I'm sorry. What am I thinking? There's something very, very weird going on there at Foxconn. Not to be trusted. Let's see, United States of Europe has finalized their Ashmageddon Council. So they've got their guidelines and the skies are essentially centrally controlled now. So they got what they wanted. I've got to talk to my buddy who works at Eurocontrol is one of our we won't mention his name, but he's one of our donors Eurocontrol is the air traffic management agency and so they're going to be In control directly with the European Commission better known as Starfleet command so they're gonna determine when we actually are allowed to fly and There's a lot of people looking into this now saying you know hey hold on a second this is this something really really stupid went on here and

1:12:58 And I'm sure you heard, by the way, that the Indonesian volcano erupted. I'm sure there will be no more flights over Indonesia. It doesn't seem to be the case. No, of course not. Of course not. No, this, so that thing blew, shooting clouds up 12 kilometers or ash and hot lava and clouds up 12 kilometers. And so that could essentially shut down. I mean there's a lot of flights that go around Indonesia. It's not like a barren, desolate area. I don't see anyone shutting the airspace down, interestingly enough. Yeah, well they're not trying to push trains in Indonesia either. Well funny you mention that. So there's still much more bad airplane news. First one, British Airways, record losses.

CHAPTER 21 / 29 Discussion

Global Transportation Disasters and FEMA Camp Theories

The hosts compare the media coverage of an airline crash in India to two train crashes in China that killed 50 people. They discuss a listener theory suggesting the push for high-speed rail is intended to facilitate the movement of citizens to FEMA camps. The segment also covers a JetBlue pilot removed for making threats and ongoing strikes at British Airways.

indonesia volcano· british airways· jetblue· india plane crash· china train crash· fema camps

1:11:58 That's exactly right. Oh, suicide. I'm sorry. What am I thinking? There's something very, very weird going on there at Foxconn. Not to be trusted. Let's see, United States of Europe has finalized their Ashmageddon Council. So they've got their guidelines and the skies are essentially centrally controlled now. So they got what they wanted. I've got to talk to my buddy who works at Eurocontrol is one of our we won't mention his name, but he's one of our donors Eurocontrol is the air traffic management agency and so they're going to be In control directly with the European Commission better known as Starfleet command so they're gonna determine when we actually are allowed to fly and There's a lot of people looking into this now saying you know hey hold on a second this is this something really really stupid went on here and

1:12:58 And I'm sure you heard, by the way, that the Indonesian volcano erupted. I'm sure there will be no more flights over Indonesia. It doesn't seem to be the case. No, of course not. Of course not. No, this, so that thing blew, shooting clouds up 12 kilometers or ash and hot lava and clouds up 12 kilometers. And so that could essentially shut down. I mean there's a lot of flights that go around Indonesia. It's not like a barren, desolate area. I don't see anyone shutting the airspace down, interestingly enough. Yeah, well they're not trying to push trains in Indonesia either. Well funny you mention that. So there's still much more bad airplane news. First one, British Airways, record losses.

1:13:54 uh... and they have a strike looming which is uh... is complete it the strike i think it's just a break one union and i don't know what it is but there's there's a of for sure war going on against airlines and not being able to fly is not helping them and uh... yeah i don't come up with a more of a crackpot idea than you do but please do so one of our listeners producers that wrote in and suggested that the real rationale in the aftermath of the accident at the train routes at Yeah, you know this you must get the same note so the was the the reason you want all these high-speed trains in these new rails and with rest of it is because it's a lot easier to move people by the Millions into the FEMA camps. Yeah, that was Dave Koss who wrote that I'm like by flying them that makes so much sense

1:14:40 And then Kashif who celebrates his birthday today, he says, by the way Adam, do you realize that that center of power in Switzerland, Zug, ZUG that is of course German for train. Yeah, it is. I never know I do that. It didn't hit me though, but the FEMA camps like yeah, that makes total sense and then of course we have to have more like completely lame-ass stupid mainstream news to make you afraid to fly like this one from ABC News. We are following some breaking news right now out of Boston and there are reports that a jet blue pilot was pulled from his plane after making some kind of threat.

1:15:20 Several news agencies are reporting that the pilot sent a text message to someone saying he was distraught and planned to crash the plane. Kepler has reportedly told them the pilot was removed from service for quote medical reasons and they claim no one on board the plane was ever in any danger. I can just see it like they were in danger to me. So I'm distraught right? I'm about that. I'm in the plane. I'm distraught. Let me send a text message. Hold on. Oh, damn t nine correction. Hold on. Not hoard its head. I'm going to shoot my head. Yeah. Like please, I'm going to crash the plane. Text message indeed. Croc.

1:16:00 Yeah, and that story makes no sense whatsoever. No, and then of course I crashed all All I know it's nuts all over the news this Unfortunate incident in in India plane that came from Dubai now you asked me to bring a full report John I think unfortunately it was raining runway was wet and And they they overshot the runway this does happen unfortunately this runway is not the one you want to overshoot Because it at the end it drops off into a ravine So they just well, that's the report and that's the way it is yeah They went off over the edge now what what I don't see a lot of news about yeah, and you wonder why I

1:16:44 is two train crashes in China. Yeah, 50 people dead in total. Two train crashes. Now I wonder if that's going to get as much play as this airline. I'm guessing no. We can't talk about train crashes and they're also a mess when they happen. Yeah, there in 12 or 15 cars derailed. Oh, yeah. No, it's ugly and have to cut open these these train carriages It's and I don't think these were high-speed trains Which is probably why it's not oh, it's not a high-speed train. Well, then we might as well not report on it It's just old rickety thing but yeah train crashes are quite ugly and it's but it somehow it just doesn't have the romance of a plane crash and all the foam and babies being pulled from wreckage filled with foams

CHAPTER 22 / 29 Discussion

Codex Alimentarius and the Global Assault on Salt

The hosts track a global campaign to reduce salt consumption, linking it to the Codex Alimentarius and PR firms like Ketchum and Hoffman & Hoffman. They identify "NuSalt," a potassium chloride substitute from Cumberland Packing Corp, as a potential beneficiary of the anti-salt movement. They list various government and pharmaceutical clients represented by these major PR agencies.

codex alimentarius· salt· unilever· nusalt· ketchum pr· world health organization

1:17:38 So let's see how much play that gets as we're being transitioned from the airlines to the FEMA camp one-way high-speed rail project. Sean Masak has been doing some research as requested, trying to look into the PR firm for the Codex Alimentarius. I don't think you're going to find a PR firm specifically For the Codex Alimentarius who of course are now providing this assault on salt, I'm getting mail from all over the world. Everywhere this is being rolled out in exactly the same fashion. Gitmo Nation, Lowlands is way on board the program. They've got talk shows in the evening, doctors being rolled out on panels. Yes, salt is killing us. Salt is very bad. We've got to get rid of salt. Unilever, which of course is an Anglo-Dutch company. Yeah, we've got to lower all the salt and everything. So, salt is under assault.

1:18:34 He did find out convinced. I'm now convinced the more I listen to you about this issue and the more I read about it from others that I think your your early thesis is the one that's that's the big thesis which is there's gonna be quote-unquote new salt Oh, I have well you just said the brand name. You just got it. You guessed it. You guessed it. It's called new salt Yes Cumberland Cumberland Packing Corp is the company that for years has been bringing you NutraSweet, ButterBuds, I swear to God. Go to NUSALT.com, NUSALT.com. It's here. NUSALT.com brought to you by the Cumberland Packing Corporation.

1:19:29 And what is New Salt? New Salt is a... You should have grabbed that domain name. Yeah, is a sodium-free substitute that we believe, that we believe looks, tastes and sprinkles like real salt. Please consult with your physician before using NuSalt. What? Yeah, well I'm looking at this website. These are not the people behind this promotion because this is mediocre. Well, but go look at the... There's a bigger company. It's Monsanto or somebody else has got to have something coming out that's not so lame. Well, would you please go look at Cumberland Packing Corporation. It's CPAC.com. And these guys make sugar in the raw, stevia in the raw, natra taste blue, natra taste gold, sweet and low, new salt, butter buds, and sweet one. They've been doing it for 50 years, according to their website. And they manufacture it, John. These guys make it. So, Statt Holdings Corporation, hold on a second.

1:20:31 What is in NuSalt? This is a potassium thing. It's not healthy. Of course it's not. It says consult your doctor before using. How can it be? Isn't that like a huh? Yeah, it's a giveaway. Hmm. Stadholdings Corp. Also in Brooklyn. Let's see. Anyway, so yeah, NuSalt. Yeah, you're right. We should have grabbed that domain name. That would have been awesome. So anyway, just briefly back to Sean. Ketchum is the PR agency for the United Nations. United Nations Hoffman and Hoffman worldwide is the PR firm for the World Health Organization Hoffman represent a lot of interesting names. Have you ever heard of Hoffman PR John? Yeah government of Japan their club their clients government of Mexico government of the Netherlands government of Norway government of Turkey assumed to be specialist black so Smith Klein Johnson and Johnson Pfizer pharmaceuticals research manufacturers of America

1:21:29 I mean these guys, they were the World Bank, they represent the World Meteorological Organization, so of course they're helping out with global warming. These guys, they got an impressive client list. They got somebody in the agency there that's a hot shot. We should hire them. We should, maybe we get better, we should. Yeah. Or they should just work on a pro bono basis for us. So, and that was Phillip R. who found... Hello! You okay? Suddenly somebody fell down the stairs. Coming to you from Foxconn Central. It's five... yeah, it's a potassium chloride product.

CHAPTER 23 / 29 Discussion

Synthetic Life and Department of Energy Funding

Scientist Craig Venter announces the creation of a synthetic bacterial cell. The hosts reveal that the research was funded by the Department of Energy (DOE), which also manages sensitive sites like Area 51. They express concern over the government's involvement in "creating life" and the decision to publish the findings openly.

craig venter· synthetic dna· department of energy· white house· genomics· area 51

1:22:14 Yeah, that's not a... you don't want to be loading up on potassium. Well, it's new salt. Well, like NutraSweet is good for you. You shouldn't be loading up on that either. Why do you need something to be so sweet all the time? Anyway, okay. Minneapolis. Oak Creek, Minneapolis. And this was weird when I read this. A message went out from the Oak Creek Health Department. They are offering adult immunizations and in the adult immunization clinic, June 15th, in the common council room at City Hall, vaccines being offered.

1:22:53 Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, HPV, Gardasil for males and females up to age 26, MMR for adults born after 1957, TD, Tdap, and Varicella. And this is made possible through funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. So, our, uh, our, our, uh, our stimulus went for vaccinations? Well, I guess. Well, while we're on the topic of vaccinations, we have a few clips. Okie doke. So you know this group, you don't really know who they are or where they came from, but all of a sudden they supposedly synthesized some DNA or synthesized something. Oh right, the artificial life or something like that, right? Well, it's synthetic, they say, not artificial, it's different.

1:23:49 This is some some Some you got to help me on this. So what exactly have they done? Well, that's what I was wondering So you went to do some research as we do on this show? it's like they've fairly they he they explain it in this long in this long uh... clip which uh... we don't have the whole thing here but the guys and his name's craig ventnor and he is a uh... they get one of these does it last deconstruct uh... he's a bird he did this human genome was part of the human genome project and okay the thinking you were the first uh...

1:24:26 So now he's cashing in on his discovery. Supposedly they created a fake DNA. They deconstructed what a genome looks like and then they created one in a computer which also has a bunch of email addresses plugged into it and then they stuck it... Into the genome? Yeah. Thank you notes and a couple of quotes baked into your DNA. Yeah And a web server So anyway, so they took all that they created this little thing from what he can teach what he says is four bottles of chemicals and they made this strand and

1:25:10 Artificially and then they shoved it in like I guess they took some little bacteria which was alive I guess at the time and they gutted it and dropped this thing in real quick before the bacteria could die and now they've got some bacteria that is like completely some whole new form of life is sketchy okay, and But did the but there's a couple of clips. I have here. Let me get back to my clip page There's a couple of clips here. There's the There's the one that got to me, one is like who financed this idea? The guy's very glib by the way, has no sense of humor, he's a classic engineer. But play a synthetic DOE for starters and then we'll go to the real.

1:25:53 Sorry? Then we'll get to the real guts of this. Even with this announcement, as we did in 2003, that work was funded by the Department of Energy. So the work was reviewed at the level of the White House, trying to decide whether to classify the work or publish it. And they came down on the side of open publication, which is the right approach. We've briefed the White House, we've briefed members of Congress, we've tried to take and push the policy issues in parallel with the scientific advances. Department of Energy? Doesn't that get you? No, it makes so much sense. It's like the Matrix. The Department of Energy also, you know, very few people realize that, you know, people talk about, oh, the military secrets in Area 51 or 54, whatever the heck the name of it is. 51. 51. Is owned by the Department of Energy.

CHAPTER 24 / 29 Discussion

Venter's Vision for Vaccines and Environmental Solutions

In a recorded Q&A, Craig Venter explains that synthetic genomics can produce flu vaccines in 24 hours and create new strains of algae to convert CO2 into fuel for ExxonMobil. The hosts remain skeptical, viewing these claims as a "solution to everything" designed to attract massive investment from pharmaceutical and energy companies.

craig venter· h1n1· novartis· exxonmobil· algae· carbon dioxide· vaccines

1:26:47 Yes, that's a Department of Energy facility and now we're having synthetic life financed by the Department of Energy what why? Have you not seen the matrix? We're all going to be batteries. That's why it's like this is the true meaning of the smart grid. This is what it's all about. You get your web server plugged into your DNA, you get a couple of thank you notes so you know you can run around in the matrix and be civil but meanwhile you're a battery plugged in. Yeah okay so here we go now here's the here's the he gives his long speech about this is very boring and I have it on the blog, dvorek.org slash blog, you can watch it. But anyway, he, at the end, somebody asks him a question, it's the only question that he actually answers, and a long-winded answer, but within the answer, all will be revealed. It's a little lengthy, but you have to listen to it in its entirety, and you'll see what this is really all about, and it falls right into everything we've been talking about on this show. So with that, I would like to open it first to the floor for questions.

1:27:52 Yes, in the back. Could you explain in layman's terms how significant a breakthrough this is, please? Can we explain how significant this is? I'm not sure we're the ones that should be explaining how significant it is. It's significant to us. Perhaps it's a giant philosophical change in how we view life. We actually view it as a baby step in terms of it's taken us 15 years to now to be able to do the experiment we wanted to do 15 years ago on understanding life at its basic level. But we actually believe this is going to be a very powerful set of tools. And we're already starting in numerous avenues to use this tool. We have at the Institute ongoing funding now from NIH and a program with Novartis to try and use these new synthetic DNA tools to perhaps make the flu vaccine that you might get next year.

1:28:53 because instead of taking weeks to months to make these, Dan's team can now make these in less than 24 hours. So when you see how long it took to get an H1N1 vaccine out, we think we can shorten that process quite substantially. In the vaccine area, so synthetic genomics and the Institute are forming a new vaccine company because we think these tools could affect vaccines to diseases that haven't been possible to date. Things where the viruses rapidly evolve, such with rhinovirus. Wouldn't it be nice to have something that actually block common colds?

1:29:29 or more importantly HIV, where the virus evolves so quickly, the vaccines that are made today can't keep up with those evolutionary changes. Also at Synthetic Genomics, we've been working on major environmental issues. I think this latest oil spill in the Gulf is a reminder. We can't see CO2, we depend on scientific measurements for it, and we see the beginning results of having too much of it. But we can see pre-CO2 now floating on the waters and contaminating the beaches in the Gulf. We need some alternatives for oil. We have a program with ExxonMobil to try and develop new strains of algae.

1:30:17 that can efficiently capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere or from concentrated sources, make new hydrocarbons that can go into their refineries to make normal gasoline and diesel fuel out of CO2. Those are just a couple of the approaches and directions that we're taking. Wait a minute, these guys have the solution to everything. Yeah. So wait a minute, so it's vaccines for everything. We'll fix global warming. and clean up the water. Oh my god. You know one of the great jokes in

1:30:55 I guess global economics or whatever are these ideas of invasive fish. You know, somebody brings this idiotic fish over here and the next thing you know it eats all the good fish in our lakes. Right, right. Or somebody brings a plant over like kudzu and it takes over the south and it's killing everything left and right. So let's invent our own invasive products that we want to have no idea what they've ever done there's no natural selection against them and this is dropped these things in the water i mean this is like and let's turn everybody into a battery while we're at it. But it's like, you know, this guy, and for everything, so he can create the vaccine in 24 hours. You know, you can make one, maybe one, you know, one thing with these tools doesn't mean you can go into full blown manufacturing. I mean, the whole thing is just bogus. Money, money's flying around and I don't think anything's going to come of any of it, but

CHAPTER 25 / 29 Discussion

DSM-5 and Psychosis Risk Syndrome

The upcoming release of the DSM-5 introduces "Psychosis Risk Syndrome" (PRS), which the hosts criticize as a way to medicate people before they develop mental illness. They discuss the drug Risperdal (Risperidone) and its use in treating various disorders. John C. Dvorak shares a historical anecdote about lobotomies being marketed as a medical miracle to illustrate the dangers of popular medical trends.

dsm-5· psychosis risk syndrome· risperdal· janssen· bipolar disorder· schizophrenia

1:31:56 It's amazing to me that all these people are lapping this up up well in pharmaceuticals there is there are a lot of things happening and They are coming up with a new revision of the psychiatry's Bible of Mental disorders, it's the DSM release number five and There's going to be a new illness Oh, yep, they're called and this might may fit into it psychosis risk syndrome PRS look for it as the new meme a mental disorder that confirms that you may mind to develop a mental illness By listening to our show Well, there you go. It's like you have to take the shot slave. You need to have it now

1:32:49 PRS stands out as the most ill-conceived and potentially harmful of all syndromes, naysayers, denialists say. Denialists. Yeah, however, you've got this guy, Australian psychiatrist Patrick McGorry. Who is at the APA convention in New Orleans? He's saying oh, this is great, and you know we'll have medicine for this because you know PR. Oh, yeah We're gonna give babies PRS medicine because they might become mentally unstable later on in life Guys like him around yeah I think we need less with they get they should back off on some of these things instead of adding to it. Oh

1:33:30 What do you mean? I think it's great less mental diseases that are defined, you know And some just like this is just the way the guy's eccentric. It's not a it's not some mental illness Well, yeah, I mean, of course I mean you and I would obviously be diagnosed with PRS at an early age and we'd be hyped up on on something from Glaxo. Or Novartis or whoever else is making all this crap. Yeah, well luckily, uh, I don't know. Well it's actually called... Luckily some parents don't buy into this and they don't get their kids all shot up with everything. It's actually called Risperidone. Or the clinical name is Risperidol. Maybe that's the... No, Risperidone is the clinical name. Risperidol is the brand name made by Janssen. What is it? Oh, it reduces your risk of, quote, transition to psychosis. How?

1:34:23 I don't know, John. I just bring you the news. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV. Well, they used to give people lobotomies, right? That was the... Oh yeah, that was another great move. And these were doctors that were advising this. That was a real good one. It was like, you know, just take a chunk out of your brain. They actually had at one point a open air clinic that you could just, it was a volunteer, you can just get a lobotomy if you felt like, and this is the idiots apparently lined up in Central Park, New York, where some, one of these doctors... To get a lobotomy? Yeah, it would line up and they would get because it was considered during the era of the lobotomy as the great cure for everything if you had what you're nervous you're you were you know you couldn't hit a baseball you know you were a little about a me that you stammered whatever you just need all you needed was a lobotomy was considered like the cure-all was I considered a medical miracle.

1:35:20 And so they would, apparently this one guy was so good at giving lobotomies that he could give you a lobotomy. He had this long, it was like an ice pick. It's a very famous story. This ice pick-like thing, it gets sticky, kind of just alongside your eyeball. Goes through that hole where the optic nerve is and then- I'm getting queasy. Clip the little, the connection between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain and you had a lobotomy and you could walk away a happy camper. and uh... and and and we think the islamists are crazy by a giving their women clitoris well they are crazy forget the women clitoris but that's beside the point the point is is that what you know these popular you know this is popular thinking at any given time historically you always like to imagine that it's not going on in front of us global warming we imagine that there's not there's no craziness but in fact

1:36:14 it could be like half of the information that we're being fed on a day-to-day basis I think well I think we try to prove that on the show is just bogus or it's part of a public relations stunt or it's just that it's just a lie designed to separate you from your money. Yes, I'm on board with that one. That I think, bingo! You're right and this does fit into things like the health care you know separate you from your money is absolutely I'm down with that one. You're right. Risperidone is an atypical antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, the mixed and manic states associated with bipolar disorder, which by the way I don't believe in, and irritability in children with autism.

1:36:59 Drug developed by Janssen Cilag first released in 1994 sold under the trade name Risperidol in the Netherlands, United States, Canada, Australia, United Kingdom, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, New Zealand and several other countries. Well I've known too many people that have bipolar that are completely nuts that so I'm a total believer in it although I think it used to be called schizophrenia. Can it just be called eccentric? No definitely not eccentric. That's different. Well isn't schizophrenia isn't the definition that that that you become paranoid and then it goes away I mean bipolar seems like people go really depressed. I mean but what is it? Why are they really depressed? They have some sort of imbalance in there. You're telling me that's chemical? They change personalities right before your very eyes.

CHAPTER 26 / 29 Discussion

Immigration Debates and Historical Deportations

The hosts discuss the media's conflicting coverage of illegal immigration, highlighting a case of a repeat offender deported four times. They contrast current policies with the Roosevelt administration's practice of shipping deportees to the Yucatan Peninsula to deter re-entry. The discussion touches on the economic costs of incarceration versus deportation.

immigration· arizona· tijuana· franklin d roosevelt· yucatan peninsula· geraldo rivera

1:37:51 Yeah, but are you saying this is a chemical imbalance? That it's not... I don't know. They don't know what it is. Well, that's what this stuff is for. A lot of people who are bipolar get lithium. It seems to help them. Oh, by the way, Risperidol has also been used as a control drug for people with Tourette's syndrome. Hey, I should get me some. You should. Hi, John. In the morning. How you doing? I love everybody. Yes, global warming. It's so chilly here in Los Angeles. Hmm, so there's a bunch of news stories. I think we're off that topic So there's a bunch of news stories hitting my effect Mimi collected a just a ton of them About and I don't know who's doing it, but there seems to be some sort of a media battle between newspapers who are downplaying the the illegal alien thing and TV stations which are up playing it yes, yes Fox the Geraldo show had a particularly annoying guest host and

1:38:53 who was just yelling at all of our guests and it was just like they were all just like boo! It was huge, huge arguments about immigration. Here's an Edmunds Washington story. The man accused of raping a woman behind in Edmunds grocery store has been deported at least four times in the past 15 years, reports KIRO radio. There seems to be this, you know, apparently we're deporting people and dropping them off right at the Tijuana border. And they just keep coming, and they just walk back. I mean, these people go back and forth, so it's pointless. But the thing is, why are we deporting rapists when they should just throw them in jail? But we can't, obviously, you know, it costs $40,000 a year to keep people in prison.

1:39:36 Anyway, all these stories, which we'll put in the show notes if you want to read a bunch of depressing stories, harkens back to what did Roosevelt do? This problem of Mexicans coming to the United States is nothing new. They've been sneaking across the border forever. And Roosevelt, the great liberal Roosevelt, used to take and pack them into ships. And then drop them off in the Yucatan Peninsula. Huh in the middle of the jungle how many do you do I mean what what numbers are we talking about really? When Roosevelt was doing it yeah a couple hundred thousand people I think were shipped to Mexico and the ship annually or in total I don't know I once he did it two or three times they stopped coming in That shit blows

1:40:23 So, it took care of the problem, but we're not even thinking in terms like that. We're trying to, well, let's let them stay. They just want to do jobs that Americans won't do. You know, when it's really all about the crime problem, which is what we're talking about here with these rapists who apparently come over here and find that it's You know, according to court documents, this woman who was just raped the other night told police that Madrigal had followed her and offered her $35 for sex. But she said no. She said Madrigal then forced her into the bushes and raped her. Nice. Yeah, these are depressing stories. Well, Calderon was visiting and he gave us a nice little lecture.

CHAPTER 27 / 29 Discussion

Arizona Power Threats and the Word Dissemble

Arizona officials threaten to cut off power to California in response to boycotts over immigration law. The hosts compare the situation to the plot of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged." They also analyze the word "dissemble," used by a guest on C-SPAN to describe political lying, noting how the term is adopted by journalists as "double speak."

arizona· california· electricity· ayn rand· atlas shrugged· dissemble

1:41:03 Yeah, considering that everything he told us to do, he doesn't do. Yeah, really. He's like, stop profiling my people. Why don't you keep your people at home? Stop letting them run away. This whole thing is starting to look like, particularly when you add the trains and then of course we now have the internal rife between Arizona threatening to turn off the power in California. Which by the way, how long do you think it's going to be until Arizona electricity production is labeled vital to US interests, will be nationalized and forced to provide power to California?

1:41:43 Don't you think that would be in the cards? Well if they actually followed through with their threats. Well they might follow through. These are all idle threats. I mean what's LA gonna do? Well it's not just LA, it's all of California. But you bring the trains into it man. I think that is very obvious. No, it's not very obvious. It's just you wanted to play that clip. It's very obvious. It is like they're following the playbook to the T. To the T. Everything is happening exactly the way it happens in the book. Everything. That's why Alan Greenspan loved the book and loved Ayn Rand.

1:42:23 He was like, this is a good plan. We'll do the and ran was a Nazi in a future I'm not but up what I'm saying is it's horrible except the problem is there's no John Galt to come and save the day you know from right? Yeah, I get a Me and me and my hardware up here on the watchtower. No, I don't think so. No, so let's play I got another new word Besides LL and the exfoliation or whatever that other word was. Exfiltration. Exfiltration. See if you can spot the new word under the clip New Word One. Prime Minister Gordon Brown was caught on a microphone discussing a conversation he'd had with a woman he described as a bigot that the New York Times began his story by saying a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth.

1:43:16 And this is a kind of folk wisdom, that politicians are inherent liars, that they are basically figures who dissemble, and one can find in many different forms. The idea, for example, that you can always tell when a politician is lying, when he's moving his lips. Did you get it? No. Oh, you missed it. Yes. Dissemble. Oh, disassemble. Isn't disassemble? No, dissemble. What does that mean? It means lie. It's a long-winded way of saying lie. Oh, that's good. Dissemble. To disguise or conceal behind a false appearance. Nice.

1:44:04 This guy, I don't have his name in front of me, but he wrote this treaties on how, University of California Press, I think. And he wrote this long-winded book about how good it is to be a, you know, it's a good thing that people lie. It's a positive thing because they have to in certain situations. And it was, I don't know if it's a book worth putting on the book club, but the guy was kind of interesting. But throughout He keeps using dissemble he kept choosing this he keeps using dissemble dissemble dissemble dissemble And then when you know the questions and answers the people in the audience start using it Wait a minute. It's the double speak of the week It's total double speak

CHAPTER 28 / 29 Discussion

Tea Party Media Bias and Rand Paul Candidacy

A Tea Party author complains on C-SPAN about the Boston Globe's refusal to cover local rallies. The hosts discuss the primary victory of Rand Paul in Kentucky and the media's attempt to frame him as a racist. They conclude with a bizarre tourism ad from Sonora, Mexico, featuring a soldier with binoculars, which they interpret as a provocative response to Arizona's border tensions.

tea party· boston globe· rand paul· ron paul· c-span· sonora mexico

1:44:56 Wow, the symbol. Yeah, isn't that weird though how, and the audience must have been journalists. Yeah. They always do that and they start using the same bogus words. Yeah, I know, it's hilarious. Wow. You got one more? I only have one more clip which is a guy who's a talk show host and a tea party guy. He wrote this book, which may be a good one to put on the book club. That's not an angry mob. That's my mom Okay, and it's about the tea partiers and how uh... good natured they are and how it's you know that's just kind of thing is uh... that is being totally misinterpreted and done wrong by the media being done wrong by the media uh... for various reasons and but we all know what they are uh... but he was he was an interesting little discussion and uh... but he did have this little yet this one complaint which i thought was interesting about how uh... the newspapers don't do you know they these guys are basically in some

1:46:01 to get their heads aren't screwed on right, but you can play Boston Globe. But anyway, so we're standing there and who's not there? The Boston Globe! not covering the national, our local version of the national tea party. In fact, the next day when they ran a story, they had to run an AP Wire story about my tea party in their town, dateline Frankfort, Kentucky. I mean, that's just, look, I'm a newspaper lover, I'm a media lover. My oldest son is named after H.L. Menken. I love, I want to love my newspapers. that is not a mistake that is not a faux pas that is blatant shameless bias of people who refuse to understand and see the movement when it first started and now it will finally give you jail. Well blatant bias or not I mean it was it was a story that was missed as we saw with the election of Scott Brown who you talk about and I'm going to turn to your chapter on

1:46:52 Yeah, you know, anyway, yeah, the funny thing is is that he's being interviewed like they like to do on C-SPAN. They put somebody that's kind of in a peer and they put this guy from ABC News. I don't have my sheet with his name on it, but the guy's a total douchebag and all he does is attack this book writer for being like, you know, being even remotely sympathetic to the tea bag, tea, see I'm even saying the tea party. And it was just one of the weirdest interviews I've ever seen. And he was outclassed by this other guy who was a talk show host and he could just talk the other guy down easily. Well, there was a lot of weird stuff in that regard this past week, particularly with the new senator from, I guess, Kentucky, Rand Paul, Ron Paul's son. Well, he's not the new senator, he's now the candidate.

1:47:47 Oh, okay. Isn't that right? No, I thought he was the new senator. I thought he beat the Republican and now he gets to run for Senate. Oh, I've been trying to stay away from it. Because it's all I see is everyone hyping it Don Lemon was all over that again yesterday on CNN as well That he's a you know against civil rights, and he had his victory Celebration at a golf club, and you know essentially turning him into a racist. It's just all kinds It's just so much weird stuff. Yeah, no he's he's now the Senate case the candidate and meanwhile I think he's a creepy guy

1:48:29 He's just a creepy guy. I don't think he's gonna win. Why do you think he's creepy? Well, he's expressionless. Totally expressionless. He has robotic answers to everything. He sounds a lot like his dad. Yeah, he sounds like him, but when you watch him, he's creepy. Maybe his dad was that way when he was younger, but he's way too glib, self-assured, without any emotion. I just find him creepy. That's what I... What can I say? People are creepy. He's one of them. But not necessarily what he says just how he looks you mean no he's creepy Yeah, well most people are creepy not because what they say is the way they handle themselves And they're you know say well that guy's creepy right because he said something creepy. Oh, there's a lot of creepy people in Congress in the Senate so yeah, he's totally Very lizard like let's put it that way I want you to take a look at this at this ad from Sonora

1:49:27 Which Sonora is in Mexico. I think it's a tourist destination and this came in from Sheriff Joe. This is a this ran in the in the Arizona Republic Today newspaper and So they're looking for people to come on vacation in Sonora, but if you look at this ad I just skyped it Oh brother, so it's like a Mexican soldier Looking through binoculars and it says in Sonora. We're looking for people from Arizona. It looks like he's gonna shoot you That's exactly I think it's intended and I don't they think this is funny The website is go to Sonora comm which it doesn't have the ad on it unfortunately, but looks like a wonderful place But that ad is like whoa, you know what a way to play into current events

CHAPTER 29 / 29 Discussion

Show Outro and In The Morning Song

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude the episode by discussing their evening plans to watch the finales of Lost and Celebrity Apprentice. They remind listeners to support the show at dvorak.org/na and play the full version of "In The Morning" by Sir Jeff Smith.

lost· celebrity apprentice· jeff smith· in the morning· gitmo nation

1:50:17 Yeah, especially don't want anyone going to Sonora. Oh my goodness. That's where it looks like he's wearing camouflage He's got a he's got a camouflage helmet on this is soldiers a Mexican soldier You're looking for people from Arizona pretty crazy well John I Think we have deconstructed quite enough for today and Tonight, of course, I will be spending a little since the Pacific has ended. What an outstanding series that was. I think I will watch Bret Michaels win Celebrity Apprentice. Well, I'm gonna watch Lost. Yeah, you do that. Give me a call. Let me know how it was. I think it's four hours or something. Really? Four hours? I don't know. It says it's two hours or something. And that'll be four hours of your life. I'm gonna record it and then plow through it because I'm not gonna watch those commercials. It'll be four hours of your life you never get back.

1:51:17 Well, I know, but I can share. And there'll be a cliffhanger, and there'll be an opening for another series. It's the way it always is. They say no. Right. Wait until that check comes through. All right, coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center for this early morning service. My name's Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak here in northern Silicon Valley asking you to go to Dvorak.org slash NA and become a producer of the show. We really do need your support and we'll talk to you again on Thursday in the morning right here, same place, same time, on No Agenda.

1:52:23 Get up in the morning, hit the ground running It's a media assassination Pick up the pieces, tear them apart Send it out to every nation Don't wanna sit back, don't wanna shut up Let the puppets call the show No more lame streams, pumping out the new memes Tell me where I should go It's a little big crackpot, tiny bit buzzkill, it hits you right in the mouth Do it now, ear, I wanna do it now, ear There's nothing better when it's ear on ear, ear on ear Watching a puppet show from up on the hilltop As the whirlybirds pass by Same old history, switching off the TV, tuning in and watching the sky

1:53:19 It's a little bit crackpot, tiny bit buzzkill It hits you right in the mouth It's time to do it now In the morning I wanna do it now In the morning There's nothing better when it's In the morning It's time to do it now I wanna do it now In the morning There's nothing better when it's In the morning In the morning It's time to do it now

1:54:05 I wanna do it now, in the morning. It's nothing to do with now, in the morning. I got no agenda, in the morning.