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00:00 I just couldn't take it anymore. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Sunday March 1st 2026 this is your award winning GiveOnNation Media assassination episode 1847 This is no agenda Saying hello to the new boss and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number 6 In The Morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry Dan from Northern Silicon Valley we're all wondering did I miss something? I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Well that was a little more extreme than I expected. I thought we'd just blow some holes in the desert, but we went a lot further than you and I expected

00:47 This was more than a face-saving exercise. Yeah, well I guess the backchanneling wasn't working out... Our backchanneling? Well both of you know we had this assumption that there's back channeling going on in the yes everybody was in on the deal and I guess somebody Yeah. Did something different and wasn't appreciated, and the results are obvious. Yeah it was a face-saving exercise unfortunately the face had to be saved from multiple locations bits and pieces that was pretty extreme! And of course... We're talking about oh for people who just listened to this show cold who may not know what's going on we bombed the hell out of Iran Well out of parts of Iran

01:34 Yeah, it was the parts that were important. The parts that mattered and of course my email box is filled with people yelling at me yeah That's probably just... Too brutus? Really? I mean why should they be bothering me? You need to apologize to the anti-war people! I didn't bomb anybody It's like now it's my fault. I got that note too. Now it was my fault You guys, you phonies, you've been being anti-war and here we didn't even do a show yet

02:14 We haven't even done a show and you're telling us what we're gonna talk about. Give us a chance, will you? I did get a couple of thoughtful notes one is like... I don't get it. A thoughtful note?! No no here's the thoughtful note from younger men like I don't get it you know it's like I'm just trying to to get by, I'm a homeowner. I'm trying to do things and here we are spending money we don't have bombing Iran another war." And i was thinking about it...I don't think there's been a single generation that hasn't been born into a world at war and the world in debt maybe with the exception of the time of King Solomon but you were born in a period of war where you're not?

03:05 Think carefully before you say World War I. Just think, think carefully. Korean War? Korean war...I was born in 64 so Vietnam War. Every single generation! Give me a date and I'll give you a war. What? Give me a date and I'll give you a war. Okay 1850 Isn't that Crimean War? Wasn't it 1850, I'm sure of it. But the point is that this is what it is and there's this feeling of...I deserve better! Yeah we all deserve better. It was a period of peace during Clinton I think wasn't it? Didn't we bomb Kosovo

03:56 Oh, that's right. And Herzegovina! Yeah it was very peaceful over there. They also bombed the Chinese embassy during that little fracas I remember in fact that was when I was in the 70s no and the seventies I remember Yugoslavia kicked off too No, yeah. When Yugoslavia blew apart and became Bosnia-Herzegovina? Well, the Yugoslavia also became all kinds of... Yeah Croatia, Slovenia Yes All came out of Yugoslavia They still love Tito in Slovenia When you go to Slovenia

04:39 which is a beautiful little... Just order some Tito's vodka and see what happens. There's Tito, you go to the farmers market or not a farmers market but there was flea market on Sunday along the river there and there's all these old ladies with framed pictures of Tito I don't know why didn't buy one But the point is Everyone is born into a world at war and in debt. I don't think that has there ever been a time... that the world has not been in some form of debt financing? The bad damn bankers. Yes, the bankers I tell you! Those are bankers... Yeah so that's what it is and we're going to see if we can deconstruct what is going on in particular in the media. I found from TRT, the Turkish radio television outfit a nice backgrounder on the history

05:37 of Iran's supreme leader. And I figure if we just start with that, there is even stuff I had forgotten... Yeah, you probably got your source material from...I've got a lot of Al Jazeera stuff but they get bumped by a lot of BBC. I liked what the BBC was up to. I don't think our people were doing a very good job. Rarely Fox and the rest of them, they're just reiterating. So we have stuff that I think probably gives some insight Yes, and I also have clips from the Sunday talk shows from this morning that'll be a little more au courant. But let's just start with TRT as a two-parter The history of Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei. Sayyid Ali Husseini Khamenei was born into a troubled time 1939 Mashhad Iran

06:36 World War II raged on Iran's doorsteps preceding a British and Soviet invasion that installed the young Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on the peacock throne. Amid the turmoil... The young Haminé entered the seminary studying under clerics including Yuhola Khomeini. Like Khomeini, he believed the clergy's role was more than religious and joined the opposition against the monarchy as revolution swept Iran in 1979. Khomeini fought and won the ensuing power struggle. Khamenei was at his side to establish a new order, the Islamic Republic. And almost a decade later he succeeded Khomeini as a supreme leader under his leadership The Revolutionary Guard expanded its power and anti-American stance internal dissent grew so too did allegations of mass corruption cronyism and human rights abuses

07:35 In 2009, weeks of protests engulfed the country after a disputed presidential election. Khamenei sided with incumbent president Ahmadinejad against the protesters Meanwhile Iran's domestic nuclear program was gathering peace raising concerns that it could soon develop an atomic bomb. I repeat that the Islamic Republic of Iran is not developing capabilities for nuclear weapons, but also will not overlook the rights of its people and their need for access to peaceful nuclear energy And this is about the show had started, we were doing the show. We were there during the 2009... I think wasn't that the Green Revolution? They tried to get it going? Exactly! The Green Revolution during Obama. Yes. Who Obama looking back on it has said he missed the boat on that deal So this is the time He would have liked to have helped The Israelis came into play Israel threatened to take military action

08:33 But President Obama pursued a diplomatic path to constrain the Iranian program. Those efforts bore fruit in 2015, in the form of a deal to curb Iran's nuclear activities and return for sanctions relief. Khamenei backed the deal which elevated some of Iran's economic distress. But in 2018 President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement and imposed a maximum pressure campaign on economic sanctions Iran did not bow to Trump, ratcheting up its nuclear program. At the same time, the Iranian economy collapsed and there was an explosion of domestic unrest after a girl was killed by security forces in 2022. Iran backed Hamas during Israeli's assault on Gaza that started the following year but Hezbollah, Tehran's ally, was weakened by an Israeli offensive in 2024

09:26 And Iran's longtime partner, the Assad regime in Syria fell from power delivering another blow to Tehran's regional position. Trump took office for the second time in 2025, seeking a new deal with Tehran. But talks ended abruptly after Israel attacked Iran in June. Certainly the armed forces of the Islamic Republic will inflict heavy blows on this weak dynamic. The nation stands with us and stands behind our armed forces and Islamic Republic and God willing will overcome this Zionist regime. The dear people should know this be assured and rest easy that

10:03 There will be no leniency in this regard. His life marked by resistance to the West and dedication to the ideals of the revolution he helped lead, but that same attitude left his country isolated unstable and impoverished. There you go! That's a very short history from Turkish radio television And the response to this is quite interesting. We have, well of course Lindsey Graham is just sweating... Lindsey Graham we can't even include him He's sliding across the floor out of wetness he so happy I do have clips from him this morning and we can play them later if you want to laugh Well actually, I got one more backgrounder that would probably be good which is the NPR

10:51 I'm looking at my clip list, it's got a lot of Iranian clips here. There was one here that was an NPR background or... I don't know, I can't figure out what I am doing here. This is rocking and rolling baby! You don't know? You don't know where it is? It's well. Let me look let me help you out You can usually find my clips better than I can which I find embarrassing by the way But I decided to just put up well that is only if you if you titled NPR we have I don't know you got a lot of NPR here, you got all kinds of stuff I thought there was a backgrounders should say back rounder. I don't see any back ground er oh

11:42 I don't care, we'll just skip it. Move ahead. Background? No you have no backgrounder Well i was going to say the opinions range from told you so he's taking us back into another war to this is no Iraq 2.0 I thought Tucker's take was so typical, which is another take which is out there. Can I mention another take that I followed up on? There are a bunch of communists and it turns out they're Ray McGovern seems to be in this group and I would include Judge Napolitano And they all had a take on this and there's a very negative side to a lot of this

12:30 Because I see the whole thing as being planned out from the day Trump got an office when he went to the Middle East. Oh, um...I would say even Yes, he went to Saudi Arabia. Venezuela was made buddies with the Saudi guy that well there's your difference right there First of all the Saudis were not passive they were they were active in this everybody was seemingly on our side This was also not run from the Situation Room in the White House This is run for Mar-a-Lago which tells me The president kept this very quiet with a very small group and didn't want to limit how how quiet was the double armada? But you know The timing of everything was not it was not going to take place from the White House for I guess obvious stooge and spy reasons

13:21 But here's the one from, and this may be closer to what you were talking about from Judge Knapp and those guys. This is Tucker's take. Iraq was a true disaster and Trump was the first big political candidate to say that out loud He knows this he always has so why would even be considering a war with Iran? Well one way to think about it is The United States may not have a choice about whether or not this war starts. Because of course, the government of Benjamin Netanyahu could always act unilaterally preemptively against Iran and just do it to strike Iran what would happen then? Well most likely the Iranians would strike Israel and then potentially strike American assets in the Gulf and potentially strike energy facilities in the Gulf and the United States would be by definition drawn in so it's possible that the US government

14:10 while not anxious to go to war with Iran, is trying to find a way to contain the behavior of its closest ally Israel. Rather than sit back and wait for Bibi to do something that we have to clean up that were implicated in and then sucked into it's possible that the US government is attempting to steer this in a less destructive direction It's possible None of this, of course is filtered down to people paying attention because the few who are paying attention to this Because all the noise has been about Iran's nuclear weapons. They're on the verge of building a nuclear weapon any day now This is a disappointing take from Tucker because that one thing we definitely Noticed is that wasn't happening there wasn't a the bomb is coming next week none of that was happening and

15:05 And if Tucker's takeaway is, oh well Israel was gonna do it so we had to jump in. Come on! Well that falls in line with another thesis that's out there which is that assuming that we moved all the stuff there for no good reason by the way but you have to make a lot of leap of faiths to accept any of this and of course the people that dislike our show will will groan when I come up with this one, but the thesis is that oh well we moved to stuff and you know to kind of threaten them but we didn't. We just wanted to do negotiations and then the Israelis struck! They jumped the gun and we had to go in and claim that we were part of it to make it look okay so we weren't...so it wasn't so obvious at their test that Israel's telling us what to do

16:03 That thesis is out there and that's actually very prevalent. Yeah, and what I find interesting is that AIPAC with all its power has not already organized all of their controlled congressmen congresswomen senators to declare war. Yes, they're probably a man hasn't happened the other thing is the Israelis have mobilized 100,000 of the IDF we've lost three people but by some sort of accident We haven't really You know, for the Israelis that are telling us what to do they're the ones getting killed. Well there's always that but I'm specifically because you know this... Yeah no where is the media? Or the rest of it? Where is all these people who have sold out Israel because they're telling us what to do how come their not all

16:53 doing an active role as we speak. Yeah, and it makes no... I mean the nonsense aspect to that theory is just beyond us the two of us because you're on board with me Yes we are too lonesome doves out here. As opposed everyone who thinks Israel's calling the shots to and he can extend it another 60 days after that for a drawdown. And I'm pretty confident that... Well, no, I'm not actually! This is this is a big game that is being played and either its brilliant and Trump pulls it off and we build through, we piece through construction which is the whole idea of the Abraham Accords and the Board of Peace and the rebuilding of Gaza

16:03 That thesis is out there and that's actually very prevalent. Yeah, and what I find interesting is that AIPAC with all its power has not already organized all of their controlled congressmen congresswomen senators to declare war. Yes, they're probably a man hasn't happened the other thing is the Israelis have mobilized 100,000 of the IDF we've lost three people but by some sort of accident We haven't really You know, for the Israelis that are telling us what to do they're the ones getting killed. Well there's always that but I'm specifically because you know this... Yeah no where is the media? Or the rest of it? Where is all these people who have sold out Israel because they're telling us what to do how come their not all

16:53 doing an active role as we speak. Yeah, and it makes no... I mean the nonsense aspect to that theory is just beyond us the two of us because you're on board with me Yes we are too lonesome doves out here. As opposed everyone who thinks Israel's calling the shots to and he can extend it another 60 days after that for a drawdown. And I'm pretty confident that... Well, no, I'm not actually! This is this is a big game that is being played and either its brilliant and Trump pulls it off and we build through, we piece through construction which is the whole idea of the Abraham Accords and the Board of Peace and the rebuilding of Gaza

17:54 Or World War III and we're all gonna die. I mean, it's really only... It's pretty binary at this point. Well there are other possibilities. There is a middle possibility which is an Iraq conflagration that hangs on and drags on forever but Trump's not that style. He's impatient. No but he also made very clear that it's up to you Iranians Now, I find it hard to believe that we don't have people on the ground trying to steer stuff around. And then I have some clips later about the new leadership council Starfleet command that is being set up and maybe just ease into all of this. This is the Iranian foreign minister his take is that hey man negotiation were going quite well what happened? This wasn't the deal. I don't know why the US administration insists

18:50 to start a negotiation and then in the middle of negotiation attack, you know the other party. Today happened exactly what last June happened we were in the middle of negotiations and it was interesting that this time we made big progress two days ago on Thursday We had very good meeting in Geneva together with Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. And we were able to address serious questions related to Iran's nuclear program, the obviously have differences but we resolved some of those differences and decided to continue in order to resolve the rest of questions. We actually instructed a technical team to go to Vienna and have a meeting with IAEA

19:47 So, in order to find technical solutions for the problems we are facing in the negotiations. And everybody was happy at the end of those negotiations as you saw His Excellency Badr al-Busayyidi, the Foreign Minister of Oman who is mediating between us He concluded by posting a tweet saying that today we made significant progress and before he posted sweet He consulted with both delegations and both were happy I don't know why While we were progressing in our talks, and we had made good you know achievements and a deal was at our reach and

20:31 Why they decided to attack us perhaps you know it was others who dragged the United States for their own benefits into this, you know Conflict. It's a really pity. It's very unfortunate I'm kind of with you on the idea that this was planned even before Trump took office. Just looking at Venezuela, you get that all set up we got tons of oil so the oil markets are reasonably stabilized. I think what is oils probably up 10-15 dollars but it's not a hundred and look at how Venezuela played out no regime change like oh you're the second in command your VP okay were gonna work with you obviously have seen what happens if it doesn't go well

21:16 So we have to, yeah. We have to assume I mean on the best case scenario we have to assume that our people did their job and they lined a guy up in the IRGC or the military who's gonna be the guy who emerges as the ruler, and he's gonna do business with us. The same thing that happened down in Venezuela we already did a deal with that woman who was running the place in advance. We had our people on the ground doing their thing and they said okay, we're going to do this and you want to get rid of this guy? Who else needs to go well you better get rid of this guy, that guy, and this guy

21:53 OK, we can do that. We'll get rid of all of them and then you're going to emerge and you know, you can shake your fist a little while and then we'll do a deal." With the advantage that this also told China to go home with their $400 billion investment... Okay it's over 10 years but still that's half a trillion almost. You know they- China was was the partner And China doesn't fight. They go, oh... or they go okay, we'll just leave. Now if you listen to these guys on the extreme especially McGovern and some of these other guys they talk about China was loading the Iranians up with all kinds of gear Yeah cool gear stuff that goes boom

22:41 And they had this one thing, and this was mentioned. It's in the show notes because I had Adam put it in there. And this has not been discussed by anybody And I don't want to bring it, I'll bring it in soon on the show. I guess I'll bring right now. Yeah go ahead This was the Middle East Forum report and they had discovered that China and I read the headline China's aircraft carrier missile killer missile may have been fast forwarded the Iran war of 2026 The Chinese had developed...and I heard a general from It was supersonic too wasn't it?

23:18 I don't know. But there was a general in Iran that had threatened and said, we have new weaponry that the world has never seen before and the Americans are in for a problem. And this is what they're talking about. The Chinese had imported these high-speed missiles that were designed to take out aircraft carriers months away from getting them operational because they need training and there's all these things I get you have to do it's not that you just can't light a match. And this was going to blow up what? It's not like Wile E Coyote, he just lighted a match under that thing and it goes ah that's disappointing

23:59 And if they had taken out the Gerald Ford or the Lincoln, or the Abraham Lincoln whatever. Just imagine blowing up an aircraft carrier, sinking it and killing 3,000 people in the whole... I mean this would have been the end of Trump for sure And would have caused an issue. But the Chinese also apparently have long-range radar that had to be taken out there. It was a weapons testing program using Iran as the proxy. Well, I heard that at least... We couldn't take a chance on this thing getting used and so we had to attack immediately. The president said that several times he said they've got stuff

24:41 that can reach in Europe, they've got stuff that can eventually reach us. And from what I heard from our boots on the ground on one of the ships is that one of them was struck by either a supersonic or hypersonic missile and it was something they weren't expecting Also not expecting is some of these drones You know those ones you saw once hit Bahrain? Man! That thing just sails under all of our super-duper anti-missile tech and brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Yeah, you know so yeah and they were doing some analysis this morning about how it costs us like our anti-missile missiles the things that could take these drones out from the ground. They cost $300,000 a pop and it could break us because you can't these drones don't cost that much to make and uh So they're shooting them out of the sky with jet fighters and helicopters because it's cheaper

25:39 There's a lot of issues. This was not going to get any better, this had to be stopped I can say that thanks to my Mossad handlers...I'm not in Israel right now They told me don't go man, it's not a good time But we would have been there already You would have been stopped? Well i would hope so When was the flight supposed to leave this morning. So I wouldn't have gone... No, you wouldn't have ever taken off. That's only because we decided to stop in Amsterdam first to see Christina but the original plan was to be there Friday Oh yeah that would've been funny Yeah i'd be doing the show from Egypt same thing

26:31 I have this analysis that came in from ABC and what's quite good about the, because that's what everybody wants to know is who's next? What is this leadership council that everyone's talking about. I just, they're short clips. Just wanted to play these because i think there's some interesting information this guy seems to know what he is talking about. Iran's top national security official says an interim council will be formed today to rule the country after the supreme leader was assassinated A three member transitional council will govern until a panel of 88 members chooses a new leader for the country so joining us now via zoom is Kyan Tajbakhsh

27:07 He is an adjunct professor of urban policy at Columbia University. Kian, thank you for joining us so could be one or two days until a new leader's chosen what do you make it the speed of that? Well uh it's not surprising because the Iranian regime has been in power many decades It's deeply institutionalized, it's deeply ideological and it does have a deep bench of middle level and lower level officers who for decades have been preparing themselves for just this scenario. And so I would imagine that over the next week pre-planned scenarios providing a new leadership will be put in place we'll see who they are."

27:52 There's a, according to this guy there are two clocks ticking at the same time. We're in a race condition So 88 members are going to be voting on this is that correct? But we gonna see larger democracy spread and emerge within Iran I mean i think some people think that might just happen but it's not that simple That's correct. It is not that simple, but you can imagine... You can think about it as there are two clocks ticking right now One clock is the regime trying to scramble and put itself back onto a secure footing Try to put command and control And the hierarchy of command across this huge territory Remember Iran is bigger than France Spain and Italy combined

28:40 And so they're going to try to reassemble. The second clock is the people inside Iran who want to overthrow this regime, they are waiting for to see how much damage the military operations that Israel is inflicting and whether the balance of power towards them. Those are the two plots that are racing at the moment, which means an obvious power struggle. And that's what it's going to come down to. It seems like there might be some kind of power struggle that could be happening in Iran. How many? Come on man I label my clips you know

29:17 How many people do you think want to be... It's called scripting your clips. This is the, yeah, Gutfeld does this. Well it's called producing! It seems like there might be some kind of power struggle that could be happening in Iran how many people do you think want to become the Supreme Leader? Well, I think that at the moment the scenario that has been often spoken about is not a single supreme leader but a group. A kind of council of supreme leadership which they feel is perhaps more protected from a future strike or a future assassination But I think that at the moment we'll see about four or five people being nominated

30:00 And that 88 member council is a, you know, is a council of very elderly clerics. Very ideological and fanatic and they will just be putting forward really what might be the IRGC or the military's chosen leaders." So that seems still kind of pretty much on the table we don't know everything that's happening in Iran but this final clip is Of course, what the president called for and what the desired outcome is of epic fury. During President Trump's video address, he did make a plea to the people of Iran. It makes it sound simple as though democracy is being air dropped into Iran as we speak and that it will just flourish- I love how they keep bringing democracy into it. Democracy? No that was Bush! That's the old way... We're bringing democracy to you now. As we speak They never said that. No, he didn't say that. ...it will just flourish

31:00 and can happen, will we see anything? Would you say that most of the world... What's he reading into this? This is unbelievable. I'm sorry? Where'd this clip come from? This is the same ABC! Geez. Yeah, well listen to his answer. Flourish and can happen will we see anything... Would you say that most of Iran would like to see a different reality for themselves? What would you say? Yes I would say that from my-I've been living in working in that country for many years And my estimation is no more than 15 or 20% of the population is either ideologically committed or materially dependent on this regime.

31:45 Maybe 30, 40% are indifferent and are waiting to see what happens. But there is a large significant minority maybe of 30, 40, 50%, I'm sure the majority of the Iranians who want to get rid of this regime and move towards a secular more democratic regime One point i'd just say in terms of what President Trump said which was very clear The United States is not seeking directly regime change in Iran. It's like a one-two punch the US is securing its own national interest, weakening the regime

32:26 the threat of apple waters and waiting, and in a sense paving the road for the Iranian people themselves to pour into the streets in their million to overthrow this regime. That is I think the game plan and it's the most reasonable game plan. Which not a game plan? I'm not seeing it! And there's other thing is this idea that secular means democratic as bull crap Well thats ABC they're still living in old school regime. No, you're right I think you nailed it they are thinking the George Bush era yeah well i have a couple of clips that you want me to get my some of these out of the way yes of course first of all let's go to BBC well actually there's an Al Jazeera has some good stuff and I want to play this one this is the uh... they brought in this thesis of the IRGC

33:26 And this would display this so get my thinking out of the way which is I ran IRGC Iran IRGC thesis AJ Paul if regime change is the stated objective here now an air war and zone it's not gonna cut it. Is it? That's absolutely well, it's right there That what he just said, the air war is not going to cut it. Well that's only if you want to force your own puppets in then you have to have boots on the ground No! Who says? This is... BBC does the same thing and we do the same thing Everybody has said this same comment and BBC had it this morning I heard it and I just couldn't take anymore He said there's never... You can't do regime change with airstrikes

34:12 Well, it depends on the definition. It's never happened and no one has ever done it! No one has ever tried it! When is the last... when has anyone ever tried to do regime change with airstrikes? Oh now this is very good point It's never been done because it has never been tried. And my thinking is, okay here is how you do this... I'll just say this that every military person I have spoken to has that thesis That they all have the thesis The news guys have the thesis Yeah because they want boots on the ground They wanna kill people Lindsey Graham go do some regime change! Send him! They've all said this and they said in this clip

34:55 You can't do regime change with airstrikes. Here's the way I would look at it, because I thought this during one of the first crisis when they were bombing Afghanistan and then we had to put people down there. The Afghanistanis they really got freaked out when we were bombing them from the air and then when we moved people in that they relaxed because now okay, we can deal with this. If you have for example Just airstrikes. You've decided you want regime change and all we're gonna do is do air strikes until we get it

35:34 and you say, okay there goes Khamenei. Boom he gets blowed up and then somebody else well I've taken over you guys suck boom you blow him up! You keep blowing these guys up left and right the Israelis were doing it through hotel windows supposedly and blowing up different bedrooms they already set the stage for killing these guys left and right and left and right and left and right you keep doing this with airstrikes and bombings You never have to put boots on the ground, you just keep doing this until they decide that maybe this is not such a good idea because I'm going to get killed in this job. But no, no! You can't do it that way why not? Well i'm trying...I'm still trying to think if there's a way that has been done in the past It hasn't ever been tried

36:26 You know, they just make it this...it's an axiom. You can't have regime change with airstrikes. Why not? And I hear it over and over and over again. Okay so that made my point let's listen to the rest of this clip An air war on its own is not going to cut it, is it? That's absolutely right. So what will? Well, it's unclear what will and if you parse President Trump statement very carefully he doesn't say that the United States will be in the business of regime change He says that the United States will facilitate the conditions whereby regime change will come about And underlying all this there's a lot of context Iran's nuclear enrichment program struggles with Israel but also of course the crackdown on protesters

37:08 over the winter that, you know led to thousands or perhaps tens of thousands of deaths. So in Washington and in Tel Aviv there's a sense that Iran's hold on power might be fragile That might be a little bit optimistic I think it is actually very optimistic because people don't spontaneously rise up and the only organized bodies in Iran that have the capability To take power if the top echelons are of Iran's leadership are removed, are going to be groups like the IRGC. Which I don't think the Trump administration would view as a win. Would you say that- The Trump administration may be planning that is a win? I like all the assumptions people make. How about so Operation Ajax which was in Iran in the 50s. That was...I mean we have seen CIA covert ops but without air power

38:01 And arguably, we kind of orchestrated through economics a regime change in Russia. But none of that was war. That was just sneaky stuff done by CIA MI6 operatives. Yeah well that's doable. Yeah but it's not quite the same as blowing somebody up No, and keep blowing him up. The new guy he gets blowed up. Okay so now I want to play these clips this is from the BBC and this is a clip this Lauren Blumenthal And you'll find clips two and three. I killed clip one, because it was useless. This is good. It was an intro to her but... Who is Lauren Blumenthal? She is a cheat! I kept looking at her background she has a professor she's used to work for the State Department she's been this and that she's with Georgetown

39:01 She's now with Johns Hopkins. Okay, and she seems to me to be again she has no wiki page and she said finding her bio is tough. Can we just say it? Yeah, but I don't think she's a CIA spook. I think she's one of the 300... Go ahead. Go ahead. I think she's one of the three hundred real super spooks that work for the State Department, INR, Bureau Of Research or whatever it is called. Phony baloney little CIA that they've set up. Very spooky person

39:44 but not CIA type spooky. And I've noticed that the CIA will let people have wiki pages, but the State Department people won't because she's got no wiki page so i'm just thinking different HR department so here we have her talking on the BBC that she's brought in as an expert because she's an expert Are there the conversations you think that have been had about the next steps? Because that is one of the main questions we're certainly hearing from President Trump's critics, but really analysts as well. Have there been plans made for what happens next? Well it's very clever and interesting because yes his critics are saying this is reckless he hasn't thought it through

40:26 What I hear from both Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel and President Trump is a kind of, we broke it but you own it to the Iranian people. So the big question now is who will seize power? My sources might my top intelligence sources in Israel say to me that this has gone better than expected so far that Iran has made every mistake possible and that's led to a great military success On the other hand, my diplomatic and political sources in Israel say that we are not even close to the dawn. That we've got a long way to go and we're absolutely not there." Okay I like her already she has the right sources that makes sense what she said yeah what she said makes nothing but sense and it would be right that they that despise

41:10 Intelligence sources would have one way of seeing things and the diplomats who are always bringing their hands would have another way of seeing things. And that the crown prince is on his way, I hear? You know that guy's been left out of the conversation. Of course he has! Remember he wanted to go talk to Trump at Mar-a-Lago and Trump's like now i got no time for that guy so yeah I don't think...I don't think he's the guy No he's not it's gotta be somebody else they can't be that guy So, here's Blumenthal wrapping a little bit. And we've also seen Iran striking U.S. partners in the region Gulf states and we've seen Dubai hit, we see Doha hit at least according to the reports that we've been seeing here Laura do you think those regional partners could also play a role then in putting pressure on President Trump on Israel? To talk about how to wind the operation down

42:01 I mean, that's certainly Iran's hope. That's their chance for survival that has happened in the past that the Saudis and important American allies will put pressure on Trump to take this you know sort of dial it back and I heard important words from President Trump today two important words among everything else all the bluster which was off-ramp this could end in a day could end in a week or maybe 2 or 3 but that's about So I don't think this is going to be a long-term conflict. And the sooner it's over, I do think the better for everybody across the region. Laura Blumenfeldt is always great to get your analysis on this breaking news day. Thank you so much, Laura really appreciate your time. Yeah. So and so the thesis that you're laying out is every single time a new guy pops up if he's not the guy then we bomb him? Yeah. Wow well it's one way of doing it

42:59 Yeah, that would cause an issue. I think the guy we want is already lined up. Must be! Where's Victoria Newland? Is it Newland out there passing out donuts to somebody? We don't see anybody like that involved and I think the model was staged for Venezuela opener because we got that, we get the oil so that cause it's straight of her moves thing was disclosed. And so Oh God now what? Well yeah that why we had the Venezuelan oil because its similar but with that was also a test of how to do regime change by just taking out the top guy until we get down to the one that can do the job for us But what we didn't use is that cool discombobulator

43:50 Yeah, it is a little disappointed. We didn't use the disc and Bobby later yeah well I think that has to be close range and we're not putting any boots on the ground so no No, we're not all right. I have some more would you have more? That's plenty of clips But you know you want to break me break it up here You should take something Okay, let us go to well. Let's just hear briefly about the Strait of Hormuz Please go take a look at Google Maps understand that all the Saudi oil comes through there That's where the the oil 90% of China's oil comes from Iran Comes through the Strait of Hormuz the ghost ships etc it's been a mess with the Houthis for years letting the Chinese ships go but you know

44:35 making a hassle for everybody else, great helicopter video and here's what Iran says about it. Iran's Revolutionary Guard is sending radio transmissions to ships warning them that quote no ship is allowed to pass the Strait of Hormuz That's according to the EU's naval mission whose operations aim to protect international shipping from attacks The Strait of Hormuz is a vital export route for the Gulf biggest oil producers including Saudi Arabia and the UAE around 20% of the world's crude oil flows through it. Experts have warned that even a limited disruption could spike energy prices and fuel inflation." Yeah, no probably not! Hence the Venezuelan oil that was the gambit right there like we need that secure that it's got enough for our 60 days or whatever we need. For us? Not for China but for us and left out of this whole thing

45:32 are the Europeans and the Brits. The Brits who kind of legendarily got into Persia as it was known back in the day, in what 1908? They're the ones who set us up... Yes! Go ahead say it. ...for their oil because they'd... British Petroleum. British Petroleum wanted more oil and so they had you know when they had a democracy back in the day they were like gonna you know... The girls wore mini skirts They were gonna do the thing, put the oil on the open market. The British wanted it all and so we put the Shah in play to make sure that the Brits got their way. Yeah and uh... And so they're out of this game? And here's Keir Starmer admitting as much Earlier this morning, The United States and Israel struck targets in Iran Iran has since launched indiscriminate strikes across the region

46:30 I know the British people and communicators across our country will be deeply concerned about what this means for security and stability, and for the fate of innocent people across the region which for so many of us includes friends and family members. So whilst the situation is evolving very quickly I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes, but we have... Why would you say it like that? I mean why is he saying we played no role, we had nothing to do with any of that Is that so their new buddies in China don't get mad? No! It's their domestic audience they have so many Muslims in the country Of course yes

47:19 I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes, but we have long been clear the regime in Iran is utterly abhorrent they have murdered thousands of their own people brutally crushed dissent and sought to destabilise the region even in the United Kingdom The Iranian regime poses a direct threat to dissidents and to the Jewish community. Over the last year alone, they have backed more than 20 potentially lethal attacks

47:57 on UK soil. I didn't know that! 20? I didn't either. 20?! That's a lot... So, it is clear they must never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. That remains the primary aim of the United Kingdom and our allies including the US Go sit down Keir you're not a part of this game obviously He's left out. So everybody on the M5M this morning, all the questions are all the same What's the goal? What's the point? What's the purpose? What's the goal? How is the president and his team talking about the goals of this war right now Well George The president does claim that he has several off-ramps and a quote beautiful plan But it's still not clear what that plan Is he says he could end this in a couple of weeks or end it In just a few days saying quote until the Iranians see you again in a few years if you start

48:49 rebuilding your nuclear program. What is clear, his goal here is regime change but he still hasn't articulated exactly what that looks like there are still big very fundamental questions left unanswered who does the president think should lead Iran? What role is the Trump administration and the US military going to play going forward? promised no new wars. He vowed not to drag the US into more foreign conflicts and yet that is now exactly what he is doing, and he still has not fully explained to the American people why this is necessary now? What was the imminent threat? Why did he change his thinking now? Now the administration is going to brief members of Congress later this week but the

49:31 The president now, after the fact has to make the case for this war to American people as he now warns that American lives may be lost. George put out that video overnight Friday any plans to address the nation over the weekend or early in the week? Yeah, George it certainly seems hard to imagine that the President won't come out and speak more about this but right now this morning He remains down in Mar-a-Lago at his resort in Florida with members of his national security team where he has been monitoring all unfold and play out. He will be back here at the White House later this evening, but I'm sure that we will certainly be hearing from him again soon George. All right let's marry Bruce she just breathless in general. Hey this is exciting for these people you know they get to do something again now then there's the well

50:21 Aren't we at risk here at home because of this? Because the tentacles of Iran are far reaching. Pierre Thomas, peer officials on edge over possible threats to the homeland. The US military campaign as perhaps the most dangerous threat environment since 9-11 history suggests there's reason for concern. US officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots including an alleged plan to kill President Trump. Did he say Iran inspired plots That's interesting. It's a little different than Iranian plots, Iran-inspired plots. Sir, US officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots including an alleged plan to kill President Trump... That's just a screw up! Well it's in the script Yeah I think he somebody whoever wrote that for him and I say somebody wrote it from these are newsreaders

51:13 That's a screw up. They pulled the ISIS script and just scratched out ISIS in Iran. That is exactly right, you nailed it! U.S officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots including an alleged plan to kill President Trump as well as others that have targeted journalists and dissidents living here who oppose the regime This morning there's evidence that US law enforcement is taking this threat seriously of operatives from Iran and sympathizers as well. The FBI has put all counterterrorism and counterintelligence teams on high alert. Sources tell me the FBI is planning to step up surveillance of suspected Iranian operatives, and the Secret Service is increasing security of President Trump

51:56 Vice President Vance and all the living former presidents. In addition, Homeland Security officials yesterday issued a bulletin warning police that Iran in its proxies may target US infrastructure with denial of service cyber attacks. George it's not a very dangerous moment. Denial of service attack? All you need is just cloud flare to go down in his words. That's all it takes! Just go over here to San Francisco to the Cloudflare offices and you could bring down the whole internet. So this last night there was a shooting in Austin and it was near a bar that some friends of ours have ownership in, and everybody at the church this morning was saying oh yeah this is it! This is what's happening because of Iran. We go now to Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz who joins us from Austin good morning to you senator I'm glad we got your audio working You are from Houston I believe this morning

52:49 I am. Good morning, Margaret. Good morning. I wanted to ask you about Austin though because there are reports of three people dead more than a dozen injured following a mass shooting in that city the FBI is saying this morning that their joint terrorism task force has joined the investigation Is there any nexus to terrorism or anything that is going on in regard to The worldwide caution at this moment We don't know for sure. There are some early reports that this shooting may be connected to terrorism, but we need to follow the evidence and see in particular what motivated the shooting. Heidi and I are praying for those who were wounded in the families of those who were killed

53:35 But at this point, we don't know what the evidence will show in terms of whether this was an act of terrorism. I don't think so. This is on 6th Street which has been just a gigantic mess for years. People who come to Austin don't even want to go to Joe's Club anymore which is on Sixth Street which where the old Paramount Theater was It's a mess! And it doesn't surprise me that 14 people got shot several died but I think this is Ted Cruz's beat In this operation, Trump has said hey man you just stay on this. You just talk about that stuff. Talk about my life. Senator, just looking at the global environment right now, CENTCOM announced three Americans were killed and five seriously wounded in this operation

54:22 President Trump and Vice President Vance campaigned on not getting America involved in new wars. What do you say to Americans this morning who are asking why we are in this conflict now? President Trump's decision to launch this decisive action against Iran is the single most important decision of his presidency. I think he laid out powerfully and effectively why he is taking this action, because the government of Iran has a profound and malign influence They have been the leading state sponsor of terrorism for 47 years. They have over that time killed nearly 1,000 Americans

55:07 They provide more than 90% of the funding for Hamas. They provide more than 90 percent of the funding for Hezbollah The Iranian Ayatollah was, until yesterday actively trying to murder the President of United States Donald J Trump There you go That's Cruz' bit and that is his part And clearly just pre-written statements in script Unimpressive. That sounds very, very scripted. Whenever someone says this decisive action that's written no one talks like that John what do you think of this decisive action by the president? Yeah yeah it's scripted for him and he is doing what he has to do

55:53 which is fine. Let's go back to the BBC, okay? They brought in one of our senators or congressman Seth Moulton to talk about this and the one thing that's obvious when you listen no matter who is talking about who, this Khomeini guy I think everybody in the Middle East hated him, I think everybody in the Democrat Party everybody hated this guy and I think half the Iranians did too or more of them Because this guy, you can't not talk about this. This is an anti-Trump guy brought on the BBC to moan and groan about Trump but he still can't say anything except for very few outliers like this

56:38 Video podcaster Jackson What's the house his last name? Jackson? I don't know a video podcast Jackson Hinkle that Jackson he goes 3.6 million followers on on On Twitter and X and he say he oh, yeah gives him credibility what it I think they're fake numbers but they He posts pictures of Komeini with hero, this man didn't deserve to get shot. He's like an American communist and he keeps reposting American Communist Party stuff and he had McGovern on the show yesterday who went on, who seems to be also in the same camp which I'm kind of surprised by Ray McGovern ex-CIA

57:30 And so they, but he's you know except for that little crowd who thinks that Khomeini was a great guy. I don't know how you could get there most people reflected what you're going to hear in this BBC Seth Moulton clip number one There is plenty of debate here in the U.S as well let's speak about that with Congressman Seth Moulton a Democrat from Massachusetts He's on the Armed Services Committee Congressman it's great to have you back with us on BBC News I want to start with getting your reaction to what President Trump put on Truth Social. He said Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader is dead. I'm glad he's dead. I mean, he's an evil person who has killed thousands of his own people and chanted death to America for decades

58:09 So I'm glad he's dead. But the question before us right now in the United States of America is should we be risking lives for this? Young American lives who were putting on the line without any democratic decision from Congress about whether this is the right thing to do, do. What information have you received in the House Armed Services Committee for example about the justification to this point of why President Trump has taken this line with Iran? Nothing Nothing. And you're expecting, we know the gang of eight of course was briefed, the gang of eight members of Congress who were briefed on classified intelligence but... You haven't heard any further information from the White House? From the Secretary of State on why this attack would have taken place?

58:51 Literally nothing. I mean, I've seen what you've seen on the news but Trump has not come to Congress at all The administration has not briefed us the gang of eight briefing was just late last night to say this is about to happen That's the kind of briefing that should happen in anticipation of a limited strike against an imminent threat This is obviously not a limited strike The president's not even trying to make that case as he did with Venezuela and He's given us no evidence that there was an imminent threat now I've I've got to just stop the congressman here because he's making it sound like, well it's a limited threat you can do this but not if it's something like this and you didn't inform us. But you talk to the Gang of Eight that's literally informing Congress so the rules of the War Powers Act...I'm not saying that I agree with it only once have we declared war in my lifetime and that was 9-11

59:47 So the president must, I have it written down here. The president must consult with Congress quote in every possible instance before introducing US forces into hostilities or imminent hostilities that was done with a gang of eight The 48-hour reporting period, the forces are deployed without a formal declaration of war. The president must submit a report to Congress within 48 hours of explaining the justification authority and estimated scope and duration of deployment." I think he posted that on X, so... That's probably... On Truth Social! I'm sorry. So i'm sure that will take place but the big thing here is the 60 day clock

1:00:27 US forces must be withdrawn within 60 days unless Congress either declares war, grants specific authorization for the use of military force, the so-called AUMF or extends the deadline and the president can still extend by 30 days for a withdrawal period bringing the total time to 90 days. We never declared war on 9 11. Oh we didn't? No. How about that? The last formal declaration of war by the United States Congress occurred in June 1942 Really, we didn't do... I thought we did that on 9-11 We never declared war against Vietnam Well now I knew that Umm..I thought we did have a congressional approval for after 9-11 Not a declaration of war Hmm okay, I stand corrected

1:01:15 So, so, so Mootin' Mouton, whatever his name is. Mutton He's kind of stretching it by saying... Well in fact the clip too kinda brings up that BBC does a good job of kind of Nailing him on this and then it which becomes an ask Adam Yeah, all right and ask Adam alright so this is my new technique I'd like it. I like it and so we're gonna listen to the to

1:02:09 Mike Lawler wrote on social media, he said the president must notify Congress within 48 hours of deploying troops. The President must then withdraw troops within 60 to 90 days unless Congress declares war in this instance, Congress was advanced and it was briefed in advance and he goes on to say The president has the authority to act. The notion that this strike is illegal or that the president needed Congress's authority is wrong, Biden and Obama conducted numerous strikes in numerous countries without Congress and none of the people quote screaming now seem to have any objections. What's your response? All right what's your response to that question? And then the question is

1:02:50 What does Moulton say? Now this is a very straightforward thing, is that this happened before Biden did it Obama did it Clinton as you pointed out earlier in the show did it They don't mention Libya which is the best example. They weren't threatening us That was Obama too and they went on and on and so he now what kind of answer will He give as a counter argument that solid counter argument to what the Republicans said. This is a very difficult one because Seth hates Trump but also doesn't like, I think he's going to say

1:03:46 that the American public deserves this or... Hmm. Wow, I think i'm really stumped on this one How can you counter this? What crazy notion could this guy come up with other than well maybe that's it but Trump is a madman That would have to be my answer but Trump is a madman Okay, that's not it and here we go. What is your response to that? First of all Mike Lawler knows nothing about war okay he went through this generation without fighting without putting on the uniform without being on the ground in the middle east like those of us who are very concerned about these operations have

1:04:28 So in other words, he doesn't address the argument at all. At all! That's gonna be the answer to most of these by the way. He doesn't address it at all. No fun. He just skirts it. What would he know? What does he know about war? And by the way there is one other little clip I want to play which is kind of in relation to this which is a contradiction clip from Al Jazeera This Iran-war contradiction Get it over now to the White House. Kimberly Halkett is there for us. Kimberly, it seems as though the U.S. is in this for the long haul? Yes that is consistent with statements that have been made albeit vague from the US president

1:05:10 It is widely being reported that Operation Epic Fury, as this has been dubbed, is now into what is expected to be a series of escalating strikes that will last one-to two day periods followed by pauses to assess the damage. In terms of diplomatic talks, that is still a major question because of course most were looking ahead to next week when it was expected that talks and discussions to limit Iran's nuclear program would resume there has been no statement from the White House

1:05:46 about whether or not the United States intends to do that. In fact, we haven't heard from the U.S. president beyond his eight-minute video that he has put out. The U.S. president is not even at the White House—in fact, he's in the U.S. state of Florida at his residence in Mar-a-Lago where the White House press secretary says that he is monitoring these events alongside members of his national security team, and will continue to do so throughout the day. We also know that he spoke with the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and when it comes to the president's national security team we know that the Secretary of State National Security Advisor Marco Rubio has also been in consultation with members of Congress a so-called gang of eight made up of Democratic and Republican leadership they were notified

1:06:34 as these strikes were initiated and the Department of War also contacted members of the House and Senate Armed Services Committee to let them know that the plan they had been briefed on earlier in the week was now in full effect. They talked to the House Armed Services Committees, Moulton said we didn't hear nothing! Yeah He wasn't at the meeting The guy...we didn't hear nothing I didn't hear nothing Yeah. Typical. So this is like, so we get a lot of this smoke and mirrors crap. And then blame the guy what you can't say anything? You can make these comments because you didn't wear the uniform. Okay. I probably could have guessed that one bone spur. Um, I'm just looking at the quad screen. So the president now posting on true social that uh, we have sunk nine of their Navy ships

1:07:37 So that means the straighter form moose will open up again pretty soon. I think your thesis is probably right, you know? Choose your guy! That's not the guy That guy? Hmm, that's not the guy. Just keep doing it! Yeah I'm gonna be one of these guys eventually Do you want to hear some Lindsey Graham stuff? Just don't accidentally kill your guy Oh well hold on let's do Rokahana because they got Rokahana Ah that guy Him and Massey teamed up What a group You know the funny thing is Thomas Massey who i've had mixed feelings about Is like Ro Khan is part of the old squad. He's like a, he's a borderline socialist and Massey has to be one too to be buddies with this character. Well they're doing the no war declaration along with Rand Paul which is what the Pauls have always done that? Yeah well Rand Paul makes...that's traditional. It's like a tradition! That's fine but Rand Paul doesn't bother me. It's like an American tradition yeah

1:08:41 Let's go with, I'd call him Ro Khanna. Here he is with Manhans Welker. Welcome back and joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna welcome back to Meet the Press! Thank you for having me on today. Thank you so much for being here. Wait wait did she say Congressman Khanna? His name is Ro Khanna that's his last name. Thank you for having me on. Hold on, here we go. Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna welcome back to Meet the Press She said Congress and Khanna His name is not his name's not Rowe it's his first name and Khanna is last name is that's name is Rowe Khanna Isn't Row isn't that erectile dysfunction drugs? Exactly Mr. Khanna

1:09:39 Mr. Rowe, how you doing? Good to see ya! How's it working down there?! Welcome back and joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California... Are you sure? Now that she says that I have to go look it up. Maybe his name is Rowe. I think his name is Rowe Khanna Yes, his name is Rowe Khanna He was born in... You are racist man That's a fine Indian name Kahna? Kahana. Yeah, Kahana. Ro-kahana. Ro-kahana. Yeah okay I wish there was one lone name You wasted our name His full name is Rohit. Rohit Kahana

1:10:17 Rohit. Rohit Khanna, yeah so we just call him Rho. All right so how'd this guy ever got into Congress and he represents Silicon Valley? There you go! Indian, Silicon Valley more questions? No that's the only reason he's getting in because the Indians just oh he's one of us let's vote for him this is like the women who vote for women yes correct welcome back and joining me now is Democratic Congressman Rho Khanna of California congressman Khanna welcome back to Meet The Press Thank you for having me on today. Senator Graham now has become the face of Republican foreign policy. He's been consistent, but he's been consistently wrong Let me say this Khomeini was a brutal dictator But Americans are not safer today

1:11:21 Look, Senator Graham cheerled us into the Iraq war. He cheeredled us into the effort with Libya and Trump ran against him in 2016 he said regime change wars are absolute failures and that has escaped Donald Trump and now you have a situation in Iran where the IRGC is still in power The Assembly of Experts are going to picked the new leader. By the way, they were picking the new leader before we killed Ayatollah. The Ayatollah was 86 and the question is is the country going to descend in civil war? Are billions of our dollars gonna be spent there or are American troops gonna be at risk

1:11:59 So this is a different tack that he's taking because, you know the Democrats also hated this guy. But you know this is all wrong it's futile! It's no good take it to the War Powers Resolution please Kirsten. And Senator Graham arguing that the IRGC is at war with the US Democratic leaders are obviously you are co-sponsoring a bill with Congressman Massey to force a vote on the War Powers resolution Congressman, do you think you have enough votes for this to pass? is going to be very close, but I believe we will have every Democrat. I can't believe it there's gonna be a Democrat who wants to vote for another war in the Middle East and then you have not just Congressman Massey, you have Congressman Davidson, Congressman Biggs There are number of people on the Republican side who agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene You know Donald Trump said that the Iraq War was a disaster Hold on a second The Democrats have always considered her a crackpot lunatic

1:13:02 And they're always bitching and moaning about Marjorie Taylor Greene, Marjorie Taylor Greene because she's nuts. And now all of a sudden because she split and quit you know split with Trump and quit the job... She is the best! Give me a break Congressman Massie, you have Congressman Davidson, Congressman Biggs. There are a number of people on the Republican side who agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene! You know Donald Trump said that the Iraq war was a disaster he said Libya was a disaster He ran because a big part of the MAGA base did not want another war in the Middle East they rejected

1:13:38 Lindsey Graham and yet here we have Lindsey Graham being the face of Republican foreign policy as is evidenced by the fact that he was your lead guest. I mean, uh- I believe this is a betrayal! Because Lindsey Graham was her lead guest, he's now the face of the Republican Party? Yes. What kind of logic is this?! Roe was stronger! In other words, the booker of her show is really determining foreign policy if you look at it The face of Republican foreign policy as is evidenced by the fact that he was your lead guest. I mean, uh...I believe this is a betrayal of a decent chunk of the MAGA base. Ah see now we're trying to go for the cleave it and leave it. Oh yeah that's a good bit. Yeah you do that's a good bit. I give him points for that one.

1:14:31 Considering you're Kristen Welker, you're Rohit Khanna. What is the next logical topic from this conversation so far? Are you asking me? Yes ask John The last next logical... well regime change was addressed I think the midterms. Let me talk to you about one of the big headlines before the strikes against Iran. Okay, you ready? What was one of the big headlines before the strikes against Iran I'll give you a secondary chance Oh, so I was wrong. You were wrong. Okay? So you're playing this a little differently than I would. Yeah! I don't have a jingle for you Which is...I would have just do the slam dunk and get it over with but no No, your more of a torture type Yes, I am yes. So you're trying to torture me let's see it would be Negotiations that were there were something to do with the negotiations for

1:15:32 uh... a bomb that the newt this is really interesting to me and all room has is better than you are at this game of they had it right away on this week the fallout over the epstein filed no identified for the house oversight committee behind how do you feel now close-line night field like crap It's obviously the Epstein files. Of course! He had no idea of the crimes that Epstein was committing Do you have any outstanding questions for President Bill Clinton about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, Congressman?

1:16:16 When the transcript comes out, I think people will see that he answered every question. I actually think they'll see that some of the Democrats asked him tougher questions than even the Republicans and he sat there. He didn't take the fifth. He answered every question fully and the American people will be able to decide on what they believe. The point though... is Every person who went to that island or who corresponded with Epstein about going to his mansion should be called under oath, to tell us what they knew. Well it'll be a lot of your richest constituents Mr. Kahana I have to say since you brought the in Epstein out of the blue I do have a side clip Okay

1:17:15 They did release some of the Hillary... Yes, I have some of Hillary's response. But yeah, I mean I was trying to kind of like slowly overlap So we kind of slide out of Iran No, we're gonna go back to Iran We have to go back to Iran but where is this clip? You seem to be kind of lost on your clips today. Yeah, you know why? I hear there's James Comer, Grylls Hillary would that be the one yeah that's it okay look Mrs. Clinton we don't want to be here all day either so just tell us how you killed Mr. Epstein and we can all go home okay I mean everyone knows you killed him just tell us how you did it

1:17:57 Okay, look. I knew the guards were asleep so i just took the keys and turned off the cameras and went into Jeffrey Epstein's cell And saw him sleeping So I grabbed one of his shirts and choked him with it He kind of woke up but he actually enjoyed it because he was smiling as I was choking him Which is kinda strange But anyway, I made it look like a suicide and got back home just in time for dinner. I love how people are trolling me. Hey man this is AI! Really? Really now?! This is A-I! Huh...huh...surprise surprise. Wow that's interesting Again well worth the 1.3 trillion dollar investment and counting It's doing great Yeah for that 39 second clip Let me go back to Manhans Welker with Lindsay

1:18:45 for as long as we can stand it. And joining me now is Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Senator Graham welcome back to Meet the Press Thank you Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me on such a historic day. Thank you for being here on an historic... He sounds nervous! He's jitty, man No I think he's trembling with... Oh, jitty that's what it is. He's jitty, it's adrenaline That guy has screwed up It's pulsating Good morning Senator Let me start with the big question Is the United States at war with Iran? I think the Ayatollah would say yeah. Uh, I don't know if this is technically a war but we're... Here's what i can say the headline- Wait a minute! What did he? This was this morning The ayatollah was declared dead and now he's saying that Yeah, he was already dead So I dunno what.. Did someone not- What's he talking about? Hey guys! Did someone forget to brief Lindsey?! That's very strange. I dunno why he's uh... Something's up with him As for me, Sunday

1:19:45 The mothership of terrorism is sinking. The captain is dead, the largest state sponsor of terrorism Iran Is close to collapsing. So this was his big moment? The mothership of terrorism is sinking. He had a writer. Yeah he's sinking and yes a writer The captain is dead. Okay, the leader of the largest state sponsor of terrorism and his inner team are dead The mothership that fuels the proxies Is in is in sinking mode? The goal of this operation is to change the threat not the regime when this operations over no matter who What's that sinking he blew these lines? He had this stuff written for him but sinking mode Yeah, you're sinking in a sinking mode

1:20:36 What mode are you in? I'm in a sinking mode. Is in is in sinking mode the goal of this operation is to change the threat not the regime when this operation's over no matter who takes over and Iran they will not have ballistic missiles to hurt us Israel or the region it will not have the capability to be the largest state sponsor terrorism whether Sir cleric our group of representative of the country where there's an election. It doesn't matter right now, Iran in the future will no longer be the largest state sponsor of terrorism they cannot rain terror on the region they cannot commit mass murder that's the goal of this operation again the mothership of terrorism is sinking the captain is dead. Oh I got it all right this time

1:21:27 Much better. Yeah, exactly! He revisited it I gotta do it again so I might get my sound bite Well done President Trump It's been the policy of this country for decades to eliminate this regime President Trump did it Admiral Cooper came out with a military plan that is unbelievable We're not done yet but when- when IT IS DONE Iran will no longer be capable of being the largest state sponsor of terrorism. That is the goal and that goal will be achieved See I like listening to Lindsey Graham because he was read in on this plan early as yes He was obviously red in that's why it was on the plane with Trump And and you know, he represents a state with a lot of military aircraft Boeing lots

1:22:07 Lots of stuff going on. You know, he's tight with Israel and that's why he was so kind of giddy but I think nervous too because he had these lines to deliver which you rightly noticed that he had to re-deliver the one line because it had to be that line. It sucked! Because i'm sure Trump is like well you can't even deliver a simple line we wrote for ya So the next pertinent question, Welker is asking the right questions here. Will the United States pick the next leader of Iran or will be Iranian people pick the next leader? Isn't that great I love this. This is exactly what a theory is. Good question! I talked to the crown prince he's got some ideas about transition there will be no American... Hold on wait a minute

1:21:27 Much better. Yeah, exactly! He revisited it I gotta do it again so I might get my sound bite Well done President Trump It's been the policy of this country for decades to eliminate this regime President Trump did it Admiral Cooper came out with a military plan that is unbelievable We're not done yet but when- when IT IS DONE Iran will no longer be capable of being the largest state sponsor of terrorism. That is the goal and that goal will be achieved See I like listening to Lindsey Graham because he was read in on this plan early as yes He was obviously red in that's why it was on the plane with Trump And and you know, he represents a state with a lot of military aircraft Boeing lots

1:22:07 Lots of stuff going on. You know, he's tight with Israel and that's why he was so kind of giddy but I think nervous too because he had these lines to deliver which you rightly noticed that he had to re-deliver the one line because it had to be that line. It sucked! Because i'm sure Trump is like well you can't even deliver a simple line we wrote for ya So the next pertinent question, Welker is asking the right questions here. Will the United States pick the next leader of Iran or will be Iranian people pick the next leader? Isn't that great I love this. This is exactly what a theory is. Good question! I talked to the crown prince he's got some ideas about transition there will be no American... Hold on wait a minute

1:23:00 Lindsey Graham just said, I talked to the crown prince. Yes we said so is the crown prince still in play or is this Lindsey freelancing? This is a good question because the crown prince shouldn't be in play well unless there's unless there's a backup plan or contingency or there's something that you know in case Maybe he's held in abeyance, because they don't know how the public is going to react to all this and whether the guy that they want put in place is actually gonna get where he has got to go. Who knows? I mean maybe it's just a contingency Well let's see if Lindsey tells us more... I talked with the Crown Prince He's got some ideas about transition There will be no American boots on her! He's the trans prince not the crown prince. He's the trans prince That what he is

1:23:57 I talked to the Crown Prince, he's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American boots on our ground this is not Iraq this is not Germany this is not Japan we're going to free the people up from a terrorist regime and the goal it's not only to help the Iranian people who charted new destiny but make sure that no matter who takes over in Iran no matter who it is no matter who the people pick they cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They can't fuel Hezbollah, the hoodies and Hamas. The Hoodies! They can't have ballistic missiles. Hoodie and the Blowfish! The Hoodies! This guy, the hoodies. This guy's no good. They cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism they can't fuel Hezbollah the hoodies and Hamas they can't have ballistic missiles they can't have a nuclear weapon that will be out of their terrorism business so the people will pick

1:24:48 As to the people, choose wisely. We want to be your friend we'd like to have a good relationship with you going forward but that is up to you now what am I gonna do next? When this regime can no longer threaten the region i'm gonna build on what I did with President Biden to try and get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize Wait, wait. Is he talking to Trump now? What is he saying?! He's taking credit for the Abram Accords apparently! This is great! I'm gonna build on what I did with President Biden to try and get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize. WHAT!? He's off the rails

1:25:29 He's off script. He's high! This is... he doesn't, he's high. He doesn't know what he's talking about this is great if the fall of this regime would lead to normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel The center gravity for Islam in Saudi Arabia the one and only Jewish state If they could make peace and have a normal relationship Wait wait that already happened That's already happened, but he says... The way he says it though. He sounds as though Saudi Arabia is the one and only Jewish state. No! He just jams it together It's not what he said but it sounded a bit like that. Well that's what it sounded like because you're just throwing he's got a script that he screwed up

1:26:14 This is out of control. Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. That's great Lindsey. with your people who elected you. Yeah, they didn't elect you to be an international ambassador!

1:27:17 Iran a state sponsor of terrorism to rain havoc on us in the region. That's the goal I hope the people will choose wisely. I think Trump is not going to be happy with this No! He is giving Biden credit Yeah, he put Biden in there and yeah. Well let's do one more this is probably because I have a ton of them but just the last one we can't unless it's funnier than this last clip. Senator history tells us just how complicated regime chain is we saw that. Regime chain? Now we have regime chain? Hey man, what kind of chain is that you're wearing? Regime chain. Uh-huh. Oh yeah? Yeah baby. Senator history tells us just how complicated regime chain is we saw that when Saddam Hussein How petty are we John? We're the worst but it's like how can you not ridicule these professionals

1:28:13 Making millions. She makes millions of dollars I mean it's unbelievable how lame this is and then they got this Lindsey Graham guy who can't even do a script properly now He's taking credit for everything that Trump's doing And he patting himself on the back left and right and blowing his lines. This is unbelievable Senator history tells us just how complicated regime change is we saw that when Saddam Hussein was ousted in a terror threat and group moved in. How will the United States make sure that... Wait stop it again! Go back to she's flustered because yeah she knows these lines so what she said about

1:28:55 Hussein ousted in a regime threat or something? Let's listen again. Saw that when Saddam Hussein was ousted in the terror threat and group moved... He was ousted in a terror threat and a group moved in He was ousted in a terror threat. What is she saying? I don't know How will the United States make sure that the next Iranian government isn't worse than the current regime? No, what he makes this level Listen, he makes these noises all the time listen and the current regime

1:29:34 It's not our job to pick the next Iranian government. I don't remember being attacked by Iraq any time, you know in the past. What? Iraq is complicated but... What?! That's changing the narrative! We literally changed our mind from Afghanistan to Iraq overnight and now he doesn't remember any of it He's pick a side. No, we know good We have a relationship with Iraq is up to Iran to pick your leader. It's not my job. It's not president Trump's job We're now gonna occupy the country We're gonna give the people of run a chance to do something they've never had before on his second It's not my job as not President he put himself ahead at Trump Yeah, Trump will notice this yeah

1:30:25 I think Lindsey's two martinis in at this point. I think you're right, i think he's got it in the bag! I have a sense that when he started off he sounded like he was a little bit uh... you know... Toasty. Inebriated. We're not going to occupy the country we are gonna give the people of Iran a chance to do something they've never had before It is our job to kill your leader and keep killing them until you choose the right one In Europe they make you vote over. It's kind of the same thing. Chart their own destiny, we're going to take away from any future regime the ability any future government the ability to have a ballistic missile program and nuclear program or support terrorism that's what we're gonna do and if out of this comes a new government that we can do business with great

1:31:09 But having Iran no longer the state sponsor of terrorism opens up historic opportunities. It's the one irritant in the region, it's the one impediment to real peace We'll never get where we want to go as long as Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism and I'm here to tell you The largest state sponsor of terrorism The mothership of terrorism Is sinking and the captain is dead And a lot of good things are going to follow Oh no, Lindsey. No one cares about your soundbite It's not working it's not a good one fire the guy who wrote it for you It's just not good This is this is I have to play the guy is just he's like landmines everywhere this got like

1:31:57 Walk through the minefield and please step on every single one. Lindsay, that's what you're good at. Senator let me ask you because the president's opposition to regime change and war quite frankly was central to What he described as his America first agenda on Saturday former Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote this We said no more foreign wars No more regime change We set it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech. Trump, Vance basically the entire administration campaigned on it and promised to put a... Wait a minute I love this so first they campaigned they can- The whole campaign was the Epstein files now the whole campaign was no more war It's like just choose one There is no more regime change we set it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech

1:32:49 Trump, Vance basically the entire administration campaigned on it and promised to put America first and make America great again. Did the promise did the president's strikes on Iran go against everything that he promised the American people? This is a good question this is a fair and valid question Lindsey Goh quite out quite quite the opposite he promised to keep us safe to stand up to people who would hurt America she's a former congressman for a reason what is it America first is the following. Make sure that no regime who wishes to hurt America can, to make sure that they don't have a ballistic missile capability to attack our country. They have American blood on their hands we destroyed their missile program of the nuclear program there were coming right back at it America first is not isolationism America first does not head in the sand America first is not to get entangled We're not going to have any boots on the ground and Iran

1:33:47 But America first is to kill people who wish us ill with a... Wow! America first is to kill people. That's what America is, how about that? I gotta listen to this gem again. That's better than your, the mothership is sinking. Destroyed their missile program, uh their nuclear program they were coming right back at it America first is not isolationism America first is not head in the sand America first is not to get entangled we're not gonna have any boots on the ground and run but America First is to kill people

1:34:27 who wish us ill with a record of trying to destroy us and the region, to take them off the table. Foam finger number one! We kill people! Celebrate today please my democratic colleagues that the most evil man on the planet is no more. He terrorized his own people, 32 thousand people at least have been killed protesting a better life he was trying to get a nuclear weapon he was building missiles to hit the United States he was a religious Nazi that had a horrible agenda for the region and in world he is no more well done President Trump well done to your team this is something to celebrate so I mean it's kind of like

1:35:12 It's a sexual fetish, I believe. When you're so into killing people that you say it like that... Don't you think? Don't you think that some kind of strange...? There is something wrong with this guy America first and he even paused America first is to kill people And then he added on who shoot missiles at us The guy has a screw loose Yeah And props to Miss Welker there because she certainly knows how to get the best out him That was good. Well, the booker gave the booker credit they booked him at the beginning Yes people are riveted there on their screens we can't believe what this guy is saying all right you got anything else on Iran here? You want to finish up? I mean i don't want to no We should probably wrap it up and people want to know First I got an AJ Al Jazeera clip This is an example of a

1:36:11 of Iranian, Baghdad Bob. This is a Baghdad Bob this there's a bunch of them. Now Iran's foreign minister has been speaking to US media about Sirakji he has acknowledged that Iran may have lost a few commanders but that it wasn't quote such a big problem yeah also said the Iran was open dialogue if Americans want so good talk to us they know how they can contact me We are certainly interested for de-escalation. This is not our war, this is an imposed war against us. This is a war of choice by the United States and they have to pay for that. And actually also stressed that Iran would not give up its right to enrich uranium. Uranium... okay. Now I just want play this one. This is the BBC and this is what I thought was interesting unexpected they bring these guys on, these experts

1:37:03 And they're kind of giddy in an unexpected way. This is Iran, Unexpected BBC Report. Okay let's talk more about this breaking news at this hour with my guests here Ben and Ben Taleiblou is with me senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and our colleague Hasha Jornady he's the BBC Persian Washington correspondent gentlemen it's great to have you both in the studio on this momentous day The US and Israel launching strikes on Iran. Iran then launching strikes across the region, it says in retaliation. Hashai I want to start with you because you have been in touch with contacts in Iran and Tehran what have you been hearing? Well what had been hearing in the past couple of hours after the announcement that there's a possibility of Ayatollah Khamenei being killed is that the sense I'm getting is a sense of celebratory mood in Tehran and other places I've talked many people left Tehran evacuated Tehran as

1:37:58 the war started. And many of them have the habit of going to this, uh, the southern coasts of the Caspian Sea The city's there People have villas there Go stay there The roads are full of traffic Cars are at standstill The moment that possibility of death was announced people just get out their cars and start dancing There are videos on social media from Tehran, you're seeing firecrackers. You're hearing people celebrating, cheers erupting in the capital. So many people haven't forgotten that last month thousands of people were killed while the government tried to suppress the protests

1:38:41 They haven't forgotten this. And that was the last chapter of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's leadership, 36 years of leadership as Alistair Said just said So that was the closing chapter of his rule if it is verified he has been killed People haven't forgotten that That is why you are seeing what we see today in Tehran and other parts of the country You hear people cheering up they're happy That's the reason Now it's going to come down to the PR war in the United States. The media is just waiting, just waiting to pounce because we're gonna go straight back to the midterms any sign of this going wrong or not making any difference they're going to pounce they are going do everything they can. The Persians I know and in America we call them Persians They are very happy! They like... We've been waiting for this for decades

1:39:36 The Israelis that I know who are like, well you know we'll probably get hit but we want it too. It seems in general like if this can really happen and we can do business with a new Iran or get our oil companies in goodbye BP out you go with Saudi Arabia now contributing to the board of peace I mean, this really could be a game changer. And it could be a big deal for the midterms. Yes. You're right that's why they have to reverse the course here in terms of the public relations this has to be quashed. Well what i'd do is if I was working at NBC

1:40:23 I'd have Lindsey Graham just, I'd clip that over and over again. America First is killing people tonight! Well just keep booking him! Just keep booking him! Keep bookin' him! Get that guy on again he's great He's the best yeah Yeah well... It's either the most strategic, amazing gambit ever. And NBC, yeah. Just to answer some questions... Yes of course this is about oil but it's not necessarily about Iranian oil It's about the control of the Straits of Hormuz which has been under threat for years with the hoodies! The hoodies they've been very painful pain in the butt for everybody

1:41:21 So, yeah. Of course it's about oil! Oil is always the game that is the world without oil... The entire Western civilization is built on burning stuff Yes yes so of course but it's not like the Trump brothers are gonna move in and start up an oil company no that's the Bushes that's what they did All right, the second clip here from BBC. Yeah this is just kind of a follow up from the other guy because this first guy I don't think they expected him to go on and on about how happy everybody is and so they bring the second guy and he kind of reaffirms that this isn't this isn't anti-climactic but it worth playing. Ben, how do you see this with these reports again we've heard President Trump now say that the Supreme Leader is dead the Israelis are saying that as well the Iranians are saying that's not the case but despite all that where do you see where things stand right now for Iran and its leadership?

1:42:20 Well, great to be with you on this historic moment. Sumit also in studio with our friend Ghashayar from BBC Persian No doubt this is an inflection point not just in the 47 year history of the Islamic Republic but potentially even if operations continue in the larger US-Iran relationship here We know when President Trump's comments in video I should say The one he posted earlier as military operations against the Islamic Republic were underway The last part he actually alluded to something that Iranian people could do to take back their government Much of that will depend on the nature of the targeting if Israel and America pushes through or pushes past what's left of Iran security state. Make no mistake, Ali Khamenei was the region's largest longest-serving autocrat he was the second supreme leader in the Islamic Republic but

1:43:04 part of his success for those 30 plus years was institutionalizing his power. So now it will remain to be seen if Washington, if Jerusalem will go after that apparatus of oppression, will go after what's left of command and control, will drill down to foster defections from below so that unit level cohesion of the security forces so that local initiative is taken over by local fear and that the guns go to the sides rather than continue to be turned against the population or turned against Israel, America and perhaps even more importantly we should say here Iran's Arab neighbors. There are some here who are taking a premature victory lap that potentially you could have a military government come in something ala South Korea and engagement with military governments would lead to modernization westernization and then democratization

1:43:48 Oh, okay. Well yes anticlimactic but true I think they're seeing it for what it is yeah The BBC I think I listened to all these foreign sources for most of this stuff And I have to say really was very I thought they were quite good at their reporting alright back to Epstein Yeah, oh yeah back to Epstein Bill Gates in a Wall Street Journal exclusive apologized to staff at the Gates Foundation not only over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein but also two affairs with Russian women. Russian hookers! Bill, oh Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill... And these Russian girls can be pretty attractive

1:44:32 And it just keeps on, the hits just keep on coming over there with the European royalty and elites. He is a former Norwegian MP and a former foreign minister for Norway and was CEO & President of the World Economic Forum till this Thursday Borge Brende has resigned that role following a series of revelations relating to his past contacts with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. After careful consideration, I've decided to step down as president and CEO of the World Economic Forum My time here spanning eight-and-a-half years has been profoundly rewarding The statement issued by the WEF made no mention of Epstein. Brenda has told Norwegian media he was sorry about how he handled his dealings with the disgraced American financier, which included business dinners and that he didn't want the issue to distract from the forum's work. Text messages from 2018 and 2019 released among the Epstein files appeared to show a friendly tone between the two men with Brenda in one contact in March 2018 saying

1:45:36 Dear Jeff, thanks for a very interesting dinner on Thursday. Food For Thought, you're a brilliant host! Warmly Borga back in Geneva. Oh, no their last communication was a week before Epstein was arrested in 2019 Mentioned in the Epstein files does not imply any wrongdoing The former minister is one of several prominent Norwegians who have faced scrutiny following the latest release of Epstein files Yes and the scandal the scandal Is that the Norwegian? the entire Norwegian press corps colluded with each other to to repress the news of former Prime Minister Jagland's attempted suicide in wake of the Epstein probe. They kept it quiet for a week, I'm not quite sure why but that's a big news scandal over there. Interesting! Yeah, I don't know why they would do that. Here is a typical France tweet... So they're in bed with the government? Gambling?!

1:46:33 Here's your typical French 24 coverage of the Clinton hearing. This guy just, he sounds like a showbiz guy? I'm not quite sure why they brought him in but he is up there, he is in Chappaqua, New York, Upstate New York where the Clintons gave their testimony And he just throws the whole kitchen sink and everything he's heard like, bleh. What were the biggest takeaways for you? Well, you have to understand that this truly is political theater when Representative Comer said that hearings yesterday were predominant. He was right if you look at it from his perspective in his perspective is that he has an audience of one and not one as Donald Trump

1:47:18 Donald Trump wants to distract the American public. More specifically, he wants to distract the MAGA base From his own involvement, Donald Trump was very clearly a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. They broke publicly but Donald Trump is much more vulnerable in the Epstein files than certainly Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton so the point here is to serve as a distraction because the one thing that Donald Trump can't allow... I know! Isn't that amazing? How do you get from A to B in this case there's nothing but tons of photos

1:47:54 Clinton wearing good kimonos and Clinton in the bin the tub with Ghislaine and here and there was some chick on his lap stay with it more vulnerable in the Epstein files then certainly than Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton so The point here is to serve as a distraction because the one thing that Donald Trump can't allow us for the MAGA base To fracture over the Epstein files, and there are people who are Very important to the MAGA base Joe Rogan Theo Vaughn. They're talking about what? There are people very important in the MAGA base Joe Rogan Theo Vaughn I would say they're the least important in the MAGA base They're not into bass Not at all to fracture over the Epstein files and there are people who are

1:48:47 Very important to the MAGA base, Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn. They're talking about the Epstein files Donald Trump wants them to be talking about the Epstein files and The Clintons rather than the Epstein files and Donald Trump. No he doesn't! He said... Trump came out and said he didn't even like the idea of Bill being there giving testimony made a point of it And The Clintons rather than the Epstein files and Donald Trump and specifically why? Trump's Department of Justice hasn't released The files that were mentioned also, there's something like 50 pages of files on this most recent accusation from a woman who was a minor and she accused... This is the same tired old 1996. And this is the one you brought out and deconstructed in the last show? This 13 year old supposed 13-14 year old girl. Withdrew the lawsuit themselves. Who did everything in advance of the election once the election

1:49:40 was underway then they pulled it because they didn't really have any evidence. President Trump of having committed some kind sexual assault again that's not corroborated, that is the last thing- Not corroborated? How about the lawsuit was dropped oh goodness. President Trump of having committed some kind sexual assault again this not corroborated That is the last thing Donald Trump wants the MAGA base to be focused on, look over here at Hillary Clinton who he still thinks people are obsessed with Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton who have not held public office for quite some time. I'm surprised the guy didn't say well you know it was so salacious that Trump decided to bomb Iran! That's the only thing left that he could've said

1:50:20 It's crazy. I'm surprised that hasn't been already said a couple of times. Oh, I'm sure we just haven't seen it yet. It's coming! They have to do these things in order So here is former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wife to Bill and answering questions from the, giving a statement and answering questions of the press after she and Bill testified behind closed doors. It was video recorded and will be transcribed. Well I have just finished testifying. I answered every one of their questions as fully as I could

1:50:58 Based on what I knew and what I knew is what i said in my statement this morning. I never met Jeffrey Epstein, never had any... What? There's a lot of pictures of you with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, yeah the problem is they've been salted with fake pictures which are all over the place and like the one where she's holding his tie... Yeah that's fake connection or communication with him. I knew Delane Maxwell casually as an acquaintance, but whenever they asked me, I did my very best to respond on

1:51:43 It was disappointing that they refused to hold a public hearing, so I wouldn't have to be out here characterizing it for you. You could've seen it for yourself. We had asked for that and we think it would have been better for the committee and its efforts to gather whatever information they are seeking We had a bit of a challenge in the beginning because we agreed upon rules based on the fact it was going to be a closed hearing at their demand and one of the members violated that rule which was very upsetting, because it suggested that they might violate other of our agreements. What do you think that was? What do you think the violation was?

1:52:37 It was the photo Luna. Luna took her phone out and took a picture of Hillary talking, gave it to one of the bloggers online guy and they posted it during the right during you know everyone has to break the news yes so he posted it right during their questioning and got right back to Hillary that's almost as though is rigged to do this Yeah, something's fishy about the whole process but and then so I'm not talking anymore you guys just broke the rules Well here's my favorite piece of what she said

1:53:13 I don't know how many times, I had to say. I did not know Jeffrey Epstein. I never went to his island. I never went to his homes. I never went to his offices So it's on the record numerous times It then got at the end quite unusual because I started being asked about UFOs and a series of questions about Pisa Gate one of the most vile, bogus conspiracy theories that was propagated on the internet. That was serving as a basis of eight members' questions to me." I wonder if they asked her about frazzledrip? That's what- that's the question. What do you know about frazzledrip?"

1:54:01 Restate that. Oh no, frazzle drip! Is that about taking the skin off the baby? Yes, yes. That bull crap. Her and Uma Abedin. Uma yeah they're taking skin off people and putting on their own faces. That frazzle drip baby! Seen from Silence of The Lambs Final bit was a question from the press about, well but Ghislaine was at Chelsea's wedding. She came as the plus one guest of someone who wasn't Biden

1:54:43 I don't know when the video will be out. I don't know when the transcript will be out, we've asked that they'd be out as quickly as possible and then you can see everything. Listen to this very last one. We heard from Bill Gates concerns about Epstein trying blackmail him Oh, the poor woman. Why would she know about that anyway? No... And the other thing is the question that would have come to mind if I was out there is who's the plus one of a guest that was invited? Yes! Who was the guest?! Jeffrey Epstein, of course! That's what it has to be! And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage say in the morning to you The man who put the C in the regime change Say hello my friend on the other end The one and only Mr. John

1:55:38 There's nothing like a good bombing to bring the trolls back. Almost 2300, we're almost back that's right more bombing! More bombing please it brings everybody back I know what it is You know, yes. This is the like the news business. Yes. Epitomized by nobody cares there can be great stuff that we're doing on a twice-a-week basis. No no no gotta have bombing. Bombing works!

1:56:25 Well, it'd be very interesting to see. We of course will continue to deconstruct everything as it comes in and we see it and I'm glad that I am home for these couple weeks because there's just a lot... There is a lot to consume! Yeah you would be at the bomb shelter right now! With Sir Brian from London. What are doing here man? Anyway, thank you for being here trolls and listening live at noagendastream.com or on those fancy very modern and sophisticated podcast apps get them at podcastapps.com where not only can you get the show and be notified within 90 seconds when we release it unlike the legacy apps but

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2:05:02 going to the moon right but now they've added even more flights and I like that part NASA was always going to the moon right mm-hmm else meant to be clear NASA was always going to the moon right but now they've added even more lights and they changed Artemis 3 let me first tell you about Artemis 2 right that's the rocket we thought this month now they moved it up to April they got a work on a on a technical issue with a helium problem in the upper stage and then they hopefully will launch that four-person crew around the moon, looping around the moon probably by the end of April or so. But what they did today was they announced Artemis 3 which they said was going to land on the Moon it's not anymore. That's Artemis 3 will in fact be an orbital mission around the Earth because they want to test out the systems. And then they've added two more lunar landing missions Artemis 4 & 5

2:05:53 and NASA says they will both go in 2028. The NASA chief today said, they're really trying to pick up the pace and it's gonna start to feel like the old days of Apollo take a listen. If we're committed to going back to the moon We have the resources to do it again. Again, we have a presidential mandate to get the job done What is an achievable strategy regardless of the competition? And I can tell you launching every three plus years Is not the right approach Oh, this is not the right approach. Hey man get one of those dune buggies back on the moon impress me and ship it in a tin can like you did 50 years ago okay fine now let us thank our financial producers

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2:07:30 With $2,447 this is not his typical Number. Oh wait did he do a five and a two? Did they have a two dollar bill with a five that what he did this time no I had three Three to bills and it was the first time ever there's a one hmm It wasn't Chris. I have an ID coded this well Let me just first tell everyone it yeah read the note first sir anonymous of dog patch in lower Slobovia He is a long time supporter. He always feels that he gets tremendous value and his notes are always interesting, the amounts he sends are always high and code.

2:08:13 some sort. And John has decoded this one, I'm going to read his note first $2447 from Sironymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia Thank you all thank you to all reciprocal value contributors that elevate media deconstruction to such a high level the first day of Ramadan coincides with the Christian Ash Wednesday something that happens every 33 years I pray the two largest Abrahamic faiths help their believers find peace within themselves. I think that is happening in Jerusalem. Propaganda is not always about changing minds, but also causing people to question their core beliefs

2:08:51 May this Ramadan and Lenten season be a time of peace, reflection and reinforcement of core beliefs for all producers despite efforts to have you question them. Ramadan Mubarak! No jingles no karma thank you but he always has a spiritual message of some sort in this case it is for Ramadan which he observes and celebrates and of course for Lent So he's in the Middle East or something. He knows something about something, and now I'm gonna start thinking about these codes more often. This particular one when I first looked at it, this is not his normal kind of number and I'm thinking what 24 is 2024 and that 47th president was elected but then I changed it completely. He knew what was going to happen on Saturday

2:09:45 This is a, these are two codes. 47 years of Islamic rule in... And 24 is the police code for assignment finished it's a defunct police code you can look it up Code 24, Code 24 assignment over I'm on my done we're done The 47th year, done. And he sent it... when did we receive this? He sent it to us on Friday. He sent a week ago at least and he had to send it like sometime earlier so that's again of course epic what is called epic blow up or whatever the hell. Epic Fury was named way in advance. This whole thing was planned like I said

2:10:33 And this guy happened to be, he knew about what was going on somehow and he sends us just a little subtle message. Just wink-wink nudge-nudge! That he knew about it and here it is 2447 Simon over 47 years of Islamic rule in Iran Nice I have to say now, I think that's what...I think I've done it. And now I think I can crack all those codes. All right! We look forward to your next code as always. Thank you. Sir Anonymous of Dogpats in Lower Slobovia a long-term high value supporter and producer of the No Agenda podcast

2:11:16 Now we have Brian Mossman, who has written before in Rancho Santa Maria or Margarita. Or whatever I can't cut off here. Margarita, margarita. Margarita in California came with a thousand with no note that I can find and it's not my email either. He usually sends it doesn't he? Yeah he does communicate so will get a note from him eventually but this is $1,000 so he gets a double up card now And then Sir Salahouser, also someone who has certainly written notes before. Did something go wrong? Sometimes PayPal doesn't do that right I mean could that be what has happened here? I have no idea It doesn't matter we will gladly read your note after the fact and he's in Melbourne Florida and he sends us $600 missing a note so for now a double up karma You've got

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2:17:21 We're in trouble now. Aspect to the blood is missing in RH negative people, a very small portion of the population is Rh- and they there seems to be no relationship to our primate ancestors with these folks You look into it. Something worth checking out. Eli the Coffee Guy is up in Bentonville, Illinois at 20301 and he sent in a very lengthy note this is just the part you wanted read and you had all kinds of complimentary stuff about The Two Of Us I should forward it to you, Signe. Yes please do! It is finally time I humbly ask to be declared a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable today March 1st marks my 46th trip around the sun and i cannot think of a better way...I don't know if he's on the birthday list? He is oh yeah okay I cannot think of a better way to celebrate than at knighthood

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2:22:14 And I should mention that these are real show business credits and if anyone ever questions that we will gladly vouch for you. Well, this was a piece of interesting news that I got from CBS. This morning, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that their AI was in fact used in these operations even though Secretary Hegseth and Trump ordered it to be cut off due to this contractual dispute over the use of the model. Anthropic CEO told CBS an exclusive interview that it is up to Congress to act here to really create clarity as how AI can be used. It's clearly essential if the Pentagon still using it in this operation will Congress acts here?

2:23:21 I mean, this is something that they're gonna have to deal with and come to Congress before. This is obviously in this particular circumstances, I'm unaware of this particular issue. This is going to have to be something that's gonna have to be dealt with and more detailed than obviously an interview on CBS. You got no answer because you have no idea what's going on, but this thing is heating up Here is that the Yahoo financial team to talk the lady from Axios Explains what the feud is between the Department of War and Anthropic. Here's what's at the heart of this dispute right now The Pentagon essentially wants to be able to use anthropics AI model Claude however it sees fit

2:24:03 But it doesn't want to be in a position where every single time it has to do an operation or do something of national security concerns, that has to check-in with the company and make sure that its following that companies specific safeguards. The problem with that is that Anthropic has two very clear red lines with its usage policies, that it does not want crossed even by the Pentagon which are mass surveillance of Americans and autonomous weapons. The Pentagon is not having that they're saying we should be able to use your technology the way that we want and that is what's setting up a Friday deadline We know that Claude was used during the Maduro raid

2:24:42 Right, so it was a very successful operation from the Pentagon. Claude was used- I'd like to know what exactly it was used for right? This is this is the The fuzzy stuff. Well, we know it was used in the Maduro raid right? No I didn't know that and how was it used did they ask a question like is now a good time? I mean what exactly was it used for and that is what its setting up A Friday deadline We know that not that cloud was used during them either hold on a second one more thing if you can say If the person says we know That it has been used for... good point. If you know

2:25:23 Then you can answer the question, well then how was it? Your exact question should be reiterated. Well if you know it was used then how is it? Well we don't know how it's used, we just know it was used. But then you're not-don't know anything. ...up a Friday deadline We know that Claude was used during the Maduro raid right? So it was very successful operation from the Pentagon Claude was used there were no hiccups there and... Hiccups! A new word for bug It's hiccups is the new glitch. There were no word for glitch Yeah, it was a very successful operation from the Pentagon Claude was used there were no hiccups there And of course the public doesn't know how these how this technology is being used in classified settings But we can surmise that there was no need for mass surveillance and there was no need for autonomous weapons

2:26:14 Anthropic's usage policies were not violated and yet the Pentagon was able to carry out a very successful operation. Wait a minute, so the Pentagon has to read the terms of service before using CLAWD? Is that what I'm hearing her say right now? The second thing here with regards to all lawful purposes standard that the Pentagon is trying to have no just anthropic but all of AI labs adhere too is that the law right now doesn't necessarily contemplate all of AI's applications. And so in the case of mass surveillance, for example it is legal today for the government to collect data that is public. So for example social media posts concealed carry permits if you attended a rally or protest voter registration rolls

2:26:58 The government can legally collect all of that data, and then you can imagine how injecting artificial intelligence can supercharge the in real time continuous analysis of that data to specifically target and surveil people. And that is kind of what is alarming not just anthropic but civil liberties groups and folks on Capitol Hill as well. This is nonsense! Who is this woman? She's from Axios This is nonsense. This stuff is no good It's not it's a language guesser That's all that it does Oh man, I've had so many problems with this thing With Gemini Here we go Yeah! I now have 25 guardrails You know? It's like look up the song by Jamie MacDonald I can't find Jamie MacDonald Well

2:27:53 Yeah, you can because look for me in this folder. Oh there's Jamie MacDonald! Why couldn't you find it? Well you misspelled it. What kind of smart person are you?! Where is the I in your AI? This kind of stuff... Well, the tool you gave me does an exact... so you can't do anything. Any idiot human being who only takes three watts of power to keep their brain moving can look at a folder files and say oh Jamie McDonald Oh he put MC Donald instead of MAC Donald well that he must mean that no artificial intelligence can't figure that out

2:28:31 You see what I'm saying, Holmes? This stuff is no good. Holmes! I thought I'd throw that in. Meanwhile... Sam Alton— Wait wait wait since you introduced that kind of little flippant remark, I have to interrupt a clip-clipiture with the clip I have. Okay I don't know, have you heard... Did you hear Newsom go on about his 960 SAT score? He was talking to an Atlanta audience. Yeah! I saw a little bit of it yeah because he was like- Yeah he's going on and so by the way bragging about a 960 SAT score just tells everybody in the country that he is a dummy That is a dummy's score for the SAT So who wants him to be president why would you do that Why would say that I'm a big dummy

2:29:17 I can't read. Well, I think they left out the best part of this whole thing because i have a clip of Newsome in Atlanta that's I think is more revealing You know, I'm basically one of you! I mean, I got a terrible credit score Sometimes when I go to Red Lobster, I get up and leave without paying You hear that fire alarm beep? Me neither...I like to talk loud in movie theaters Love me some fried chicken. You know what I am saying brother I got many baby daddies. I mean, baby mamas! I got many baby mamas... I just fought at a Waffle House last week bruh! We hanging out at the barbershop every day son no cap. I keeps it real up in this biatch Again

2:30:01 Well worth the 110 billions that Sam Altman just raised on this. New revenue has got to come into this system, like people can invest in each other and buy each other stuff whatever but if there's not new revenue coming in that's when you get into it there is like nothing here but revenues growing so fast not just for us but the whole ecosystem That there-there's a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all of these institutions This guy... Okay stop this up for a second You look at this guy, he's such a dud. He's uninteresting, he doesn't seem like much of a personality. He has got to be one of the greatest salespeople in the history of sales and I just don't understand how...I mean we don't...He is some level that's cosmic

2:30:47 It's the same as Sam Bankman-Fried. He picked up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing the same thing. I'm a complicated, I'm such a genius that... To me it's remarkable this is a moment in time that we should cherish to witness this. I think that really if we each had a jet it would just make the show much, much better. If we each had a jet yeah okay you're right. Just for us but the whole ecosystem that there's like a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all this infrastructure so don't worry about that part. Don't worry about

2:31:40 Don't worry about that part. Hey, look over here! Don't worry about the money. The whole ecosystem... There's like a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all this infrastructure so I don't worry about that part In terms of anyone- That's the only part we're worried about Sam is there's not enough money coming in to cover the cost. About that part? Um..in terms of any one layer of the stack failing would cause some real knock-on effects and it's sort of like a very tight supply chain right now. I do worry about that In terms of not being able to get access to certain technologies, i.e chips? Yeah something like that The other part of their concerns Some have criticized the valuation Opening High has got And said well you know there is intense competition We've seen things like the deep seek moment can disrupt markets as well Your valuation Do you think its justified? I think so

2:32:33 The revenue. That's up to other, that's like up to a market to decide but I think so And the path of profitability eventually what does that look like for OpenAI? We are growing at an extremely fast rate right now and i think as long as we can have reasonable unit economics we should focus on continuing to grow faster and faster and we'll get profitable when we think it makes sense. What we have to realize and enjoy this moment is this is the biggest demo, and longest demo that has ever existed in the history of Silicon Valley. John, this stuff is a hoax! They're not going to get... I like the way you think of it as a hoax Well because- It's okay

2:33:23 It's great. I'm on board the hoaxes were going just a little more power enjoying the hoax, a little bit more than what you're actually doing more with though you actually using it involved at a deeper level than I do. I kind of just like to surface of it. I'm vibe coding man. Yeah your vibe coding? I am and I really like it and it's really good as long as its 20 bucks a month I'm okay with it This week I'm going to hook up the guy who sent us, who sent me the Nvidia card. The chip? Yeah the Nvidia card and everything...I am excited about hooking that up but the point is it's not intelligence! It's just not and they keep telling us that we're almost there We'll have it just a little more, just a few more lithium crystals captain And we'll be good No! Its just burning tokens, burning energy

2:34:21 And no one really trusts it because they shouldn't. It's not going to, okay yes you can code some things sure it codes itself sure makes art yeah it makes art and write stuff yeah right stuff but it's not if the money is just insane and I think investors have they have no imagination all they can think of Sam's gonna do it man. Have you seen Sam's houses and his cars get a clue? What's our stack like ours John the no agenda stack it needs to grow so we don't worry about the revenue Just give us more money, it'll be fine I'm so sick of these people It's pretty pretty

2:35:12 This is will bring the economy down. Oh, this is gonna cause the collapse of the market It's not gonna be a big one Yeah like 69 I don't think it could be but there will be stoning people like Sam all know they never do that That's for some reason just won't do that They don't I know why we can get to their stone or star and feather even come on What's this? Wall Street Journal podcast producers what is this oh Somebody sent this to me and I said, oh my God. You know we would ridicule the producers from the various NPR podcasts they have a thank you list at the end of a podcast that was like 25 people and this I think The Wall Street Journal which has a podcast called The Journal

2:36:00 They're worse. I didn't realize it, but if you got the commercial side to it... You can be worse than NPR and this is the thank-yous at the end of a podcast. That's all for today Friday February 27th The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. The show was made by Catherine Brewer, Kia Gedkari Isabella Japal, Sophie Codner Matt Kwang Colin McNulty Jessica Mendoza Annie Minuff Laura Morris Enrique Perez de la Rosa, Sarah Platt, Alan Rodriguez Espinosa Heather Rogers, Pierce Singhee, Jivika Verma Lisa Wang, Catherine Whalen Tatiana Zamis and me Ryan Knudsen

2:36:39 Our engineers are Griffin Tanner, Nathan Singapak and Peter Leonard. Our theme music is by So Wiley. Additional music this week from Catherine Anderson, Peter Leonard, Bobby Lord Emma Munger, Nathan Singapak, Griffin Tanner and Blue Rod Sessions Fact-checking this week by Najwa Jamal and Mary Mathis Yeah yeah that's pretty long That's pretty long you do you need three engineers? No How many do we have One. We don't have any actually, you're the engineer you do a single hand. Yes! You know because we were just bringing up names I can't remember...I said something Tina said something about it and I said oh that's uh you know some woman named Hunt and she said oh yeah Mike's sister

2:37:37 And she's like, you are so juvenile. And I said well have you never heard about the plane that crashed in San Francisco? She'd never heard this! She never heard the... No, and I looked at it. Well this is a good bit to revisit we do have all of the tapes with all the clips. Yeah, yeah. I figured i'd revisit this and play it for us. The coroner is still trying to determine the cause of death and whether she was already dead when the truck hit her We have new information now also on the plane crash KTVU has just learned the names Of the four pilots who were on board the flight they are Captain Sum Ting Wong

2:38:14 We too low holy fuk and bang ding ow the NTSB has confirmed These are the names of the pilots on board flight 214 when it crashed we never really got to the bottom of that did we? Yeah, we did know who came up with the hook. It was the NT it was one of the engineers at the station And they had slipped this in as a joke on the newsreader, because she was notorious. I don't remember her name now but she's not there anymore. But she would just read, wrote... There was a bunch of people that are news readers that just whatever it says on the prompter they'd read it like a robot. Yeah, go for it! Read it! So they found one of them and gave her...I think the guy got fired

2:39:04 You think? Way too low. Here at No Agenda you get promoted. Way too low! You go to the top of the no agenda stack when you do stuff like that, and it's fantastic. Something wrong... Amidst all of the hullabaloo over Iran, etc., there's one extra little bit that I don't know if it has gotten a lot of play. It probably isn't interstitial. This is from France 24. It's something the president said. An island cut off from oil and seeking deeper into crisis. It's been over a month since Cuba received its last oil shipment from Mexico, A result of threats from the American president to impose tariffs on any country that delivered oil to the communist nation Now Donald Trump is offering a takeover and says Havana is in talks with his Secretary of State The Cuban government is talking with us They're in big deal trouble as you know

2:40:06 No money, they have no anything right now. But they're talking with us and maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba." The island nation only produces 40% of its own fuel and mainly relies on oil to power their energy grid Blackouts are now endemic and petrol is being rationed, bus routes suspended. The UN is increasingly concerned. Situation is serious I think and it's evolving quite rapidly and it carries a real risk for human suffering. The energy shortages are quite prolonged

2:40:50 will not remain as technical problems, they become humanitarian emergencies. The fuel crisis is causing Cubans to adapt as best they can with many turning to bikes So the president says we could probably have a friendly takeover of Cuba Yeah That's interesting And Rubio is on point Rubio wants to be the guy running Cuba. Yeah, well but I'm going to quit my job as Secretary of State and take over Cuba! That would not surprise me. I'd rather he run the United States. I'm liking him. He might end up doing that. I'm liking him so it looks like there are free Iran rallies happening now and of course the obligatory hands off Iran Trump

2:41:36 So it's already starting. It's already starting with already pre-printed signs Oh, yeah No They're totally pre printed and they were printed before the whole thing started The Socialist Workers Party they're out already now so I have one last clip in a commentary But we had to play this story about the woman who stuck her underwear in the coffee maker Yes very disturbing well that's Okay, here's a follow-up story where she's gotten sued supposedly. This is an AI voice it doesn't sound like one but there's a giveaway in there I want to see if you can spot it and all AI voices do this make the same mistake that you're gonna hear in this report. Hold on...I have only one clip and it says part two It says yes okay that's the one? Yeah no wait wait wait wait wait wait so the thesis is

2:42:31 that this is a bogus story, it never really happened. The whole thing was done as a publicity stunt with the FUD and this being part of it, this as part of the publicity stunt, as a promotion for Starbucks! Ohhhh... Starbuck's get people so they don't drink coffee in the room Long game I like it And the new guy and I talked about this on DH Unplugged some time back when I picked it on our game I picked Starbucks because they have marketing guy that took over as CEO and he's come up with all these schemes. He came up with the little teddy bear, and all these other things they're doing all kinds of new ideas at Starbucks And I think this is part of it whoever says Starbucks, I think they're right This is bullcrap What you are going to hear is bullcrap The whole thing is bull crap Someone just had three drinks in one go A TikTok creator is facing a lawsuit after posting a controversial hotel hack online

2:43:27 Tara Woodcox, who describes herself as a health and nutrition blogger shared a video showing people how to wash underwear using a hotel coffee maker while traveling. In the video Tara explains that if you run out of clean underwear you can place it inside the coffee filter compartment close the lid and press the brew button The machine then sprays hot water over the fabric. She suggests drying the underwear with a bathroom hair dryer before wearing it again, the video quickly went viral many viewers said this is exactly why they avoid using hotel coffee machines days later several guests realized they had stayed at the same hotel as Tara and had already used the in-room coffee makers some filed complaints and demanded compensation to calm the situation the hotel reportedly offered refunds to recent guest

2:44:11 and replaced all coffee machines on the property. The hotel has now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 million in damages for financial loss and reputational harm. The story has sparked debate online about responsibility and hygiene while traveling after hearing this would you still use a hotel coffee machine? Well where's the Starbucks part is that they're playing the long game on that? That somebody who sent this clip said they believe this is a thesis of one our producers Hmm. And that's why this is bogus in this so this is bogus and the click-in there that was to me, and I've heard this before... Oh, the AI click? ...is the $1 million

2:44:54 $1 million? She said one dollar million. Oh, oh let me... In this situation the hotel reportedly offered refunds to recent... The hotel has now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about one dollars million in damages for... You nailed it! Or could just be a gen zetter Because that's how they write it. No, because when you write it out... Yeah someone at Gen Z wrote it out because they don't do dollar sign one million, they do 1 million dollar sign Have you not noticed this? Well this was written out by a normal person cause when you normally write a million You put a dollar sign one I'm going to tell you that Gen Zed There is a lot of them who are writing One Million Dollar Sign

2:45:44 Well, that's not what this was. Well no but when they wrote the prompt they wrote it that way No, when they wrote to prompt they wrote normally When you normally write one million dollars You put a dollar sign 1 then the word million Yeah, no but I'm telling you is That is not what people do normally anymore No, what you're saying is the Zeds don't do that normally. A writer a professional writer always writes dollar sign one with the word million That's how you'd do it And that's what she said I know! Well now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 million in damages for financial loss One dollars million? Oh, I see what you're saying

2:46:35 Okay, the whole thing is just messing with my brain. I can't believe...I'm still stuck on the panties in the coffee thing. Sorry it's a..it's uh The point is that this AI gives itself up because for some reason they can say $1 million dollars unless you write if you're writing copy for AI you write you write million dollars not a dollar or something Oh one dollar million oh okay so what you're saying is this was an AI story? I'm saying this was the AI presentation. They never mention a hotel, they never mentioned where this was The whole thing that in the beginning...the woman who said did the panty story never said where she was The whole thing is bogus it's to sell Starbucks!

2:47:31 It's a problem when you have to explain your... When you have to explain the jokes. Especially when somebody is preoccupied with panties and the coffee machine. Yeah, sorry Yes but we do have a few more people who think I might add that gave us more than $50 and less than 200 and Adam is going to read them from beginning to end David Kilchrist, I would say. Conroe Texas 12345 thank you very much Terrence in Niceville Florida with $100 with a long note he says longtime listener long time douchebag please de-douche me You've been de-douched! Yeah how long has been listening but you would know that we don't do oodles of jingles like your asking here but we thank you very much for your one hundred dollars in value for value

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2:50:43 A short list, but doesn't make them less important. Sir Steve Weiss wishes his smoking hot wife Stephanie a happy birthday she celebrated on the 27th Eli the coffee guy turns 46 years old today and John Gardner wishes his son sir Richard Gardner a happy birthday he'll be turning 40 years old on March 3rd and we say happy birthday from everybody here at The Best Podcast in the universe! Now we do have a layaway knight here, that is the same John Gardner who just congratulated his son. And here's his note... Adam and John have been laying it away every month since 2018 and it's time I claim my knighthood. Yeah. I'll keep you brief. Knight name Sir John General some tips for Brits to get to get quotes no agenda so this is if you are a Brit and like what these guys about

2:51:39 Keep at it, it's a struggle to start with but worth the effort. Accept that both Adam and John are often wrong about the UK and the Brits. Understand that you will soon know more about the US and how it works than the average Brit This will prove both enlightening and frustrating when you go in hospital or at university frustrating because nearly every Brit has TDS and will think you are a Trump apologist. P.S., Sir Richard Gardner is one of my human resources, and it was he who hit me in the mouth." It's his 40th birthday on March 3rd so please give him a shout out John Gardner of course very happy to do that So that means we have two knights and one dame to bring up today John if you could grab us tonight For you Brits We do knightings

2:52:23 That's not reserved for your king. We can do it as well as anybody else So Eli the coffee guy and John Gardner hop up here next to Jen And I am very proud to pronounce Kate B as Dame Jen Baroness of beans Sir, Eli the baron of beans and sir John general for you we've got hookers and blow rent boys in Chardonnay cold brew and goat stew along with foie gras and so turn Add to that some redheads and rye, some beards and blunts, some Rubinettes, women in rosé, geishas and sake, vodka manila, bong hits and birdman. Sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum And as always we have the mutton in the meat here at The Round Table for you Join the rest of our knights and dames and on your way to the table go right to visit

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2:56:51 Is that another get John out of the house meetup? So did he move it to the 11th? That's what it says on my list. That's interesting. Yeah, I'll be... yeah, I always go to that one It's interesting because i will have the Fredericksburg meetup on April 11th Oh it'll be a showdown okay! Donation Showdown There you go April 11th let's see who does better Let's go Albany we can beat these guys Come on Texas We can do a lot better than those West Coast morons They suck in Texas they don't donate they don't know what they're doing Noagendameetups.com We will beat California's butt any day If you can't find one, start one yourself.

2:57:47 Always like a party. Hey, we're about ready for John's tip of the day which is another highlight of the show Before we get to that though We always want to determine what will use at the end of show as an ISO I have three you have two shall i start yes please okay here's my first one it's over guys we are done yeah i mean It's kind of overdone Here's another one they're just freaking good Which is true And this one I just thought was really funny. Mad Isn't it mad? It's mad! Can you play the video again? Yeah, sure happy to. It's over guys we are done That's the first one They're just freaking good The second and third ones. Mad Isn't it mad? It's mad! Okay... I picked some stuff up from the Trump speeches

2:58:49 And I, let's try the first one here which is Best Tea. Yup! The best podcast in the universe. Rumi and Boomy. Yeah well it's a little boomy because he has got a boomy voice. Alright try the other one When i'm not bombing Iran...I am listening to No Agenda I'll leave it up to you. I mean, I think it's either this one which is this when I'm not bombing Iran? I'm listening to no agenda towards this isn't it my eyes Matt is mad as mad You choose him like that one because they can hear it really It's mad as mad as mad as mad as mad No, it's all right we'll do a when I'm not bombing in Rome will do that one as far as good. It's okay You get a win

2:59:40 With your AI Trump. Okay, it's all fine Is that where'd you get those from? The people send those to you or have you loaded that up from 11 labs No I got a new source Ah well more on that next week but first time for John's tip of the day! Creative lives for you and me Just a tip with JC Dean And sometimes Adam Okay, now this is for Californians. This is the tip of the day for Californians. It's gonna be a tip of the day for everybody because of what's happening with our... The ban on plastics! So what's happened here in the Bay Area and it's just everywhere now and it's gonna... The whole country is going to be stuck with these biodegradable plastic produce bags

3:00:35 So when you go to the store, I mean some people if they're really nuts they go to the store. They just don't even put it in a bag they just...they don't care. They put it in their pocket? Just take it and then- They put it in there pockets and then they put it in their own bag. They brought a bag to the store because your really conscientious. But you don't bring bags to the store? You seem like a bad kind of guy No, why would I bring bags to the store when I can get a double bag nice paper bags that I can use for other purposes? Okay. Didn't know you were bringing dirty old bag to the store because these bags are all dirty. These people bringing these dirty old bags and they stuff stuff in them. Dirty Old Bag! Yeah gotcha okay so the plastic bags now have into produce sections of most stores in the Bay Area at least starting it's gonna be everywhere are these biodegradable

3:01:24 degradable plastic bags. And so they biodegrade in the refrigerator, rot in the refrigerator within three days with the fruit or vegetables inside and because their bag is rotting so does the fruit and vegetables this stuff goes bad instantly Don't you take your fruit out of the bag when you bring it home? Well, if I'm going to put in the refrigerator and just gonna put a piece of raw stuff in the refrigerator with no covering. Am I gonna take it out of a bag and then wrap it in Saran Wrap? What am I supposed to do? I don't know this is a conundrum No! I used to use a nice plastic bag And then whatever's inside So I pull up the bag and look what was inside There are some herbs in there Maybe some lettuce maybe some cabbage Who knows

3:02:15 You're gonna have to do the following. Buy your own plastic produce bags on a roll from Amazon for 12 bucks, 12 by 16 inch plastic produce bags on a roll at about $12. It's made with real, normal plastic that doesn't rot in the refrigerator and rot the fruit with it. And you buy a roll, 350 bags of rolls 12 bucks in terms on this so I bought one, I'm starting to use it because of these other, I gotta go to the store, whatever I buy, couple tomatoes and they take them out put them in this bag. It's disgusting situation but that just the way is and I would recommend buying

3:02:57 plastic produce bag on a roll. That's your tip, everyone believe me you're gonna need this. You're gonna need them! Stock up now while stocks last there it is John Tip of the Day noagendafund.com tipoftheday.net Do you actually ever shop? Oh yeah, of course I do. And we have HEB has the regular rolls that don't they're not biodegradable because you know why cuz were Texans! Yeah, that is not gonna last We don't do that California stuff. I'll give ya one year Okay put it in the red book and you will lose it. We don't do that stuff here man

3:03:48 We got bags. We love our bags, and they don't charge us for any bags. Just use it. H-E-B Hey! If you want to, you can stay tuned to your modern podcast app or if you're on noagendastream.com Coming right up we've got just two good old boys It's Sir Gene and the dude named BenNamedBen who do that show. It's quite enjoyable Followed by some end of show mixes from MVP and the one and only Dee's Laughs. I think you'll enjoy these And we will return on Thursday, March 5th. That'll be my sister's birthday after I put her on the birthday list and looking forward to it already Coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country Fredericksburg where we do great meetups In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley I am John C. Dvorak We'll be back on Thursday Until then remember us at noagenda donations dot com Adios mofos A hooey hooey and such No more These words are banned

3:04:54 millennial stop, stop saying six seven a doubting aesthetic appropriate binge by the way desist from muttering canonically chopped classy created cringe curated just quit with these words by the way de lulu drip dump dupe during the pandemic Stop eatery, elevated for the plot by the way Fun fact if the girl dinner hard lunch I'm in my blank era I YKYK just stop saying Luke K Making X a whole person LLE mid By the way multi hyphenate not on my bingo card Coded max pilled quiet luxury Riz shitpost So this is crazy by the way

3:05:42 Soft launch, the blank of it all Touch grass on a live leaf roll begging stop with unvibe By the way iconic Canonically is not on my bingo card to see a multi-affinate in their quiet luxury A hard launch amid vibe that's so cringe it makes me wanna touch grass by the way I know we've talked about Robert Maxwell T.P. basically owned all these scientific publications didn't he? Didn't have that with his publishing empire Publishing textbooks and responsible for Common Core The Maxwell name will be remembered, that's for sure The Maxwell name will be remembered that's for sure Yo he wasn't sure Robert, He died in the Canary Islands in 91 Maybe someone thought he would sing like one Especially under suspicion Due in court the day he died He owed 5 billi but they sued him for 60

3:06:37 million I mean they tried Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well just late ran the family business well she was the youngest of nine sentenced to 20 years of crimes no names were provided that end what no one minds Trump saying that i wish her well was it another sign or a subtle tell of honk teaming up to recruit young girls But I mean they did this all the time, all over the world Now we have a line Check the Epstein files Sicko psycho mad onto the so-called elites Not like Hollywood Heidi Fleiss who did it in the 90s for celebrities You just can't see all of the differences we're calling through this guy

3:07:23 Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well. That Maxwell name will be remembered for sure, and that's what left to tell. And did his girlfriends fall? What's left to tell? Robert Maxwell Yo, what's left to tell? It was all through scientific publishing. I think Pergamon Press was in part the control mechanism for making sure revolutionary discoveries were taking place within a framework. the Rhythm knows what I'm trying to say before the token, once you take the value away Dry vocals no echo just the grit Deconstructing the narrative bit by bit Oh the slaves have glowing in the dark of night Feeding us the hoity-toity version of right But we're in spicy mode

3:08:28 We're breaking the chain Get Mojams, washing out the propaganda rain If you aren't paying for the product You are the product But if you're listening to Get Mojams... ...you are the producer The best podcast in the universe! Adios mofo Dvorak.org slash N-A When I'm not bombing Iran, I'm listening to No Agenda