2:23:09 Because those guys couldn't get their crap together and they didn't figure it out in time. You couldn't get the scam off the ground? You saved your bacon?! Yes, big-time! I'm thankful! Thank you Jesus, you saved me yes! It would have been a nightmare because that was Kim Kardashian of this coin... There's an ISO for ya Kim Kardashian without the big butt or the money. Let's go to TDS, a big thing on Trinidad and Tobago I think they got there I think they're onto something here okay it's not a big deal but it's big enough deal that you can make some inroads and go after Trump with this is the PBS report
2:23:55 on TDA, the guys they've locked up. In March in order to speedily deport 238 Venezuelan men under an 18th century law President Trump declared- Under 18th century law? Unlike our 18th century constitution which you always tout your first amendment With 38 Venezuelan men under an 18th century law President Trump declared many of them to be alien enemies He claimed there were members of a transnational criminal organization called Trinidad, which he said was conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States. But A New York Times investigation couldn't find any evidence linking many of the men to that gang. Ali Rogan spoke with Julie Turkowicz, The Times Andy's bureau chief based in Bogota Colombia and the lead reporter on that investigation
2:24:49 Thank you so much for joining us. In your investigation, for how many of these 238 men did you find connections to Tren del Agua? And how did you go about making those determinations? We spent a couple of weeks doing record searches in the US, in Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, Colombia. And what we found is that of the 238 individuals sent on March 15th to a prison in El Salvador 32 of them appear to have some kind of serious criminal record. An even smaller number, just a handful appeared to have some possible connection to this gang Tren de Aragua and this is reporting to the best of our abilities barring any real information from the Trump administration
2:25:47 Interesting. First of all, if you're in the country legally you're a criminal I was hearing on NPR the other day that they are using Palantir to find these people which by itself is concerning because yeah they probably screw it up because it's AI let's use Palantir Well, you have to assume there's a screw-up somehow and that's what they're trying to track down. And I think they got one but it's like this dubious nature of this reporting which is well we... These are undocumented coming in! Does Venezuela have a laundry list? And they could go right up to them hey Maduro can you give us the list of the Trenta Aguilar guys so we can check their names against the names we have yeah This is bullcrap
2:26:41 But okay, but let's assume that they spent a whole two weeks. I mean it'd take you two weeks to get down there and find the right person to talk to. Okay, let's go on." You also reported on how the administration has been making these determinations what criteria they're using tell us about that? Some of the documents have come out in court filings in recent weeks indicate that the Trump administration is using a rubric to essentially grade individuals who law enforcement believes might be Trenderagua. When the person gets to eight whole points, they become a quote validated member of Trenderagua and thus are... It's a meritocracy baby! It's a merit-based system. Eight points you're out
2:27:31 eligible to be deported under the Trump administration's qualifications as an alien enemy. And so four points, according to this rubric are given for someone who has suspicious tattoos of the Trump administration that law enforcement officials believe are connected to Frida Agua Another four points are given out for style of dress that law enforcement officials believe are Trinidad Agua and experts we spoke to said, hey like these specifications don't match with what we know about this group. The example being tattoos specifically obviously are worth sort of half the points that makes someone a quote validated member of Trinidad Agua but experts in Venezuela tell
2:28:21 my colleague in Venezuela, they know in fact this group doesn't use tattoos as a marker of membership. This term rubric is interesting because you said it's a checklist but that's not the definition of rubric? No but she's using it the way I understand it she's using it meaning checklist and I mean... But read us the definition then I have a comment about last clip Well the definition has nothing to do with with checklists, but there's a company called Rubrik and they do data analysis. Cloud data management so I was just wondering if maybe they're using the system rubric because... No. Why should you look up their word rubric? Okay, rubric definition here we go Do you want Merriam-Webster or The Collins? Merriam-Webster of course. An authoritative rule
2:29:23 title of a statute, that would be it or an explanatory or introductory commentary. She's really beats the checklist she just now she just likes saying Chile and Venezuela that's what she likes in rubric and rubric now if she mentions that did that the whole kind of commentary at this point drifts off into these tattoos. Yeah, and at not one point in this entire I think is a four-part clip do they mention that MS 13 at all? Ms13 was part of this whole thing it was it was TDS plus ms-13 that were getting shipped off TDS ms-13 as solely regarded as if you always have tattoos It's part of the scheme they
2:30:13 Right, but they won't even mention MS-13 in this entire report and they'll just go on and on about the tattoos not being part of the Trente de Agua. They cannot bring themselves to bring in the other aspect of this deportation which is the MS-13 half of it Are you telling me that this PBS report is slanted and perhaps untrue? I think it's slanted for sure and probably untrue in some sense. One of the deported men whose family you spoke to is Arturo Suarez Trejo, can you tell me about him and his family? He had been living in Chile and was making a living working actually installing refrigerators but his real passion was music
2:31:04 He meets his wife, another Venezuelan in Chile and she becomes pregnant. And he eventually decides you know what? I really want to make some more money for my family So i'm going to go have the kid in America so I can get my papers. And he heads north. He gets into the United States. Actually he left she stayed Oh, oh. He's he heads north though. And she becomes pregnant and he eventually decides you know what I really want to make some more money for my family and he heads north sounds like she's saying she She's saying he? It sounds like she Are you sure? As far as i can tell
2:31:41 Well, play it again. I thought it was he heads north because he's the one that was in the country not her. He meets his wife another Venezuelan in Chile and she becomes pregnant and she eventually decides you know what really want to make some more money for my family? And he heads north. She gets into the United States. She enters with this Biden-era application that allows people sort of appear at the border and ask for permission to enter He enters the country, is working in North Carolina and one day he's in North Carolina filming a music video when I shows up. He calls his wife in Chile and says you know honey I'm coming home and that is when he suddenly disappeared and his wife stopped hearing from him
2:32:29 Until she types into Google, Venezuelans deported. And she sees him in a video shaved, cuffed and bent over in this Salvadoran prison. Arturo Suarez is one of the individuals who does not appear to have a criminal record or a connection to Friend de Aragua. Other than that he came in illegally They make it sound like, oh come on. Well no he came in illegally but he used that stupid system they had Biden set up The app? The app! So he came in legally through the channels that they allowed him to come in legally and then he got railroaded and got shipped off supposedly although I don't know how she recognized him bent over with his head shaved but somehow she recognized which I think that's part of bogus reporting
2:33:22 And now it turns out he's in the jail, but there is no proof of this that I can tell. This story may be manufactured from scratch. You know the media has been flooded with stories like this you know poor guy separates from my favorite is a four-year old girl with cancer Deported her, you know more Trump. Yeah with the children deporting children story is bogus as hell because those kids were brought by their mom was deporting this she wanted to bring the kid what's the kids and they're suggesting leaving the kid in the United States because it's an American citizen
2:34:02 Okay, well the kid's always going to be an American citizen. She can come back whenever she feels like it when she is older maybe and live on her own... No, but you see it's wrong because President Trump should have immediately opened up Walter Reed or Mayo and put the kid in a cancer ward that's what he should be doing Because, you know Trump hates children. He just wants children with cancer to die that's your right in your assertion Five ten minutes ago about they're gonna this is gonna be amped up Yeah I don't know about these stories being even remotely accurate They're definitely slanted and whether there's guy even exists this guy who was whose wife was pregnant in Chile Why didn't she come with him and have the baby here? Which would be the smart money seems to me Yep
2:34:49 Especially since he went through the trouble and they didn't want to you know They don't much a single males coming in. They like the idea of a family, but you bring her it makes more sense The whole thing is very his passion was music John It's so and then then they throw the artsy angle and there is a refrigerator installer whose passion is music It's like a Dire Straits video Reference lost on you. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's money for nothing. Oh he's got it! He's got it yes All right, got it. You and your colleagues also reported on how Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele has wanted more proof that these deported men are actually members of Trinidad Agua. Where does that stand? And might that impact this arrangement where he's going to house him in this prison for one year? He says that is negotiable moving forward
2:35:47 As far as what's going to happen next for these men, it's really unclear. Nayib Bukele the president of El Salvador has said that this is at least a one-year term for these individuals And he has called that sentence renewable. And we have also seen the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christine Noem come out and say that she believes that these individuals should be in prison in El Salvador for the rest of their lives, That is being contested in court but that case is still pending. That decision by Judge Bozberg in Washington D.C., is still pending. Julie Turkowitz with The New York Times, thank you so much!
2:36:30 Thank you. Yeah, they're going to attack him on everything it's gonna be nonstop nonstop nonstop anything they can do you know we had a dinner Friday night and I was sitting next to sitting next to woman and I know her husband he wasn't there so where the where is your husband said he's in the Dominican Republic buying tobacco so what And she goes through this whole thing about, he's a cigar guy and he has... Yeah Dominican Republic makes decent cigar tobacco. Yeah and it's one third fermented and he's got this Cuban roller and she's from Havana. Does she roll it on her thighs? She's from Havana! We were talking because she was in Florida I said oh Elion Gonzales