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00:00 Back, back, back. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday January 12th 2025 this is your award-winning Kibble Nation Media Assassination Episode 1729 This is no agenda Never wasting a crisis that's good! And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas snow country here in FEMA Region Number 6 In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry From Northern Silicon Valley where we do call him Gruesome Newsome I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning. This show is so uniquely situated for this moment in time at this hour because we have you, we have you We have media deconstruction, we've got producers everywhere but we have you who has such a knowledge of these issues in California and you still live there I might point out

00:59 Which is just incredible to anybody who... It's unbelievable! How does he do it? Anybody who listens to the show, I mean, I get tweets. I get emails like hey man is it time for John finally leave as you figured out yes there's not a good idea live there. Figured out what? Figured out that it's time to leave that hell scape. Yeah. It's only yeah it's only out of love No, it's just part of the whole scheme to get everyone to leave California so they can pick up real estate cheap. I'm not buying into it! So last night I was flummoxed and somewhat flabbergasted as we decided before we went to bed say hey let's just take a look because Tina is doom scrolling she said oh look at this look at this she got out you know she's really up-to-speed on everything happening and I said let's just take a look at the news

01:54 What happened to the news? Saturday night, CNN is running a documentary of the Columbia shuttle. MSNBC was... I don't know what they were writing. No one is doing any news and then on Fox they have like some kind of joke show. Have you ever seen this thing Saturday night?! Jimmy Fallon show? It's the bottom line I think is what it's called. Well, there was more than one joke show on Fox. Right but... And by that we mean supposed comedy shows and not a show that's a joke. They're reaching so far down the barrel they're pulling out podcasters!

02:39 We don't have any staff to report on any news. You know, we only pay these people for three days a week they've been working four and we paid overtime so we can't have them working Saturday night. We can't bring you any news. Let's bring in Jillian Michaels! It's absolute madness and I've seen that clip of that mother and she says to the governor, will it be different next time? He says it has to be. Next time this just happened four months ago all of northern Malibu just burned down four months ago! It happened in 2018 when I lost my house and not only was it not different PG&E, who was responsible for the fire that burned down my house with equipment that was over 100 years old. Was not only not held accountable he completely let them off the hook and they weren't forced to update the infrastructure The fire hydrants are broken The reservoir's ran dry Well guess what?

03:31 In 2014, Californians voted on Proposition 1 to put billions toward building new reservoirs. Not one is complete 10 years later! Let's talk about forestry. I grew up in California There were regular, controlled burns. You would get notices from the city that you had to do brush cleanup and your home was going to be inspected. This all stopped before Newsom, to be fair! But if we're going to... I'm gonna go full-blown devil's advocate on you California is prone to fire bad Santa Ana winds We know this let's go with global warming perfect since you know the places at Tinderbox Why are you not doing work? Prepare Listen, I get it

04:14 I understand you want to protect the environment, but how's the environment now when you just killed? I don't know how many coyotes. How many mountain lions? Oh no! You have baby deer running in flames down the road. Wait a minute wait a minute. Baby deer running in flames?! The environment now when you just killed...I do not know how many coyotes, how many mountain lions, you have baby deer running in flames down the road. Yeah, how about- I missed that one Or how about all of this runs off into the Pacific Is that good for the environment? None of this makes any sense. None of it." Yeah, she is doing a podcast rant! You know she has gone... ever since the- She was kind of got sketchy about being a left winger which she's always been historically and she's kinda switched over to the other side and they- everyone's taking her in Oh yeah come on you can do our show you'll be on TV a lot more Shes gone nuts

05:09 She's gone nuts. But that was it, that was the extent of the coverage on... I mean so... Oh yeah well that's probably true but don't worry there is plenty of coverage starting tomorrow Actually I have to say BBC you know because the BBC doesn't necessarily in this particular case have to take a political position they were pretty good I have a couple clips here that are worthwhile. This is reported kind of straight up news, surprising! We heard about the problem... And they do it in such a nice voice! It's so good! We heard about the problem with fire hydrants reports saying some in the Palisades area were completely unusable The governor of California has been talking about it hasn't he? What does he have to say? Well this was a problem right at the beginning of this crisis and as you say the fire hydrants simply dried up

06:01 Now there are lots of possible reasons for that and the Governor Gavin Newsom wants to get to the bottom of what happened. He was actually accosted in the street by a woman who was furious about this situation, demanding answers from him and well he promised that he would try to get to the bottom of it and now he has announced this full independent review. One, just briefly one of the explanations could be that the sprinklers that come on in homes activated by heat, by fire they simply kept flowing... I like that one too. Have you ever had a house that had sprinklers that come on automatically? No, this is not nobody in California know as far as I can tell and you've been to some rich people homes. I've been through a lot of rich people's homes and I have been in California forever

06:56 I had never seen this in any home in California ever. It's rare to even be in an office building, once in a while the big and the tall ones yeah there they are but... This is bull crap! I'm curious where they got it from? And why they Why they threw that in there. Anyway, it's 40 more seconds. ...on in homes activated by heat by fire They simply kept flowing with water even if the home eventually burnt down but you can imagine street after street after street house after house all of this water flowing That could be one reason why the... Well hold on a second stop it again! I told you we're lucky! So you said this was good report?

07:35 No, I said it wasn't political per se. Oh yes you are! It's definitely not political it is just bull crap this is terrible All of this water flowing that could be one reason why the reserves that the firefighters would have used was rapidly depleted Well here's another little bit from the BBC and you know a lot about this so I'm going to let it play a minute and you're going to give us commentary. If you need to stop it, feel free." Throughout the crisis firefighters have been struggling with a lack of water among the possible contributing factors a reservoir which helps to supply water to the Pacific Palisades area was undergoing maintenance when the fires broke out. The intensity of fire is so high it has overwhelmed LA's capacity to fight it

08:21 And in many of the Southern California communities, they have a tank system that is usually at the highest end of the community and feeds water by gravity into the fire hydrants. What happened in a number of places in this particular fire was they just ran out of water. They either emptied their tank and were unable to refill it quickly enough or there were so many straws in the glass—I mean, so many hoses hooked up to the hydrants that basically there was no pressure Now in some places the storage was empty at the beginning of the fire. This time year we don't expect fires in January and Southern California so oftentimes they're doing maintenance on their systems and they'll just drain it into maintenance that seems like the appropriate time is that true

09:06 Okay, here we go. Here we go! So first of all... what is he talking about tanks? Well no, what I understand is they do have tanks that are filled up from the reservoir and those tanks are elevated The reservoirs are gravity-fed We have reservoirs around here too But these tend to be at higher elevations They're gravity fed most of the pressure goes into the hydrants It's not pumped Correct Like Biden said There's no tank involved Where's the tanks? Now I have seen, there are tanks here and there every so often. There was one in Oakland that was a big tank but the tank thing is minor because that one reservoir, that Palisades Reservoir is huge and it was dead empty at the beginning of the fire Is that because of maintenance or typical for this time of year? Well they say they were always being repaired But does make sense...Is this really your low-fire risk time of year

10:04 It doesn't make sense. It's not around here, these days it is actually dangerous for us There is no low fire risk period. California's a desert state. It's tinderbox, always! It's a desert state and it has some areas where you have Mediterranean climates where we have little more rain. We had lot of rain in Northern California there was no chance of any fires happening anytime soon which usually happen up in the wine country and Southern California didn't get any of the rain at all But they had two years of heavy rain and so a lot of brush and weeds grew up over the last couple years that weren't trimmed back. And when the Santa Ana winds come, it's usually around the same time every year and they should have...the tank should be full at that point you'd think

10:58 The tank thing is gonna have to be looked into. I don't know why this large reservoir was dead empty, but they keep showing pictures of it the LA Times said it was empty. Maintenance...I have two more clips and then I want to hear what you have. This is... And by the way tanks are where they're really in great use is if anyone looks at the skyline of New York City. Yeah, there's lots of tanks! Every building every big building in New York has a giant water tank and they're right on top that's what they blew up to put out The Towering Inferno I remember the movie well it was perfect solution And then something else happened with my favorite term. The other sense of frustration is, this is very unusual about 24 hours ago a city emergency alert system sent out texts to everyone in the Los Angeles area warning of an evacuation... Of a compulsory evacuation Problem is it was not intended It was a computer glitch I got 99 glitches

11:59 Yeah baby, a glitch from the BBC! Glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch. And put a goatee on there, will ya? ...of an evacuation. Of a compulsory evacuation. Problem is it was not intended It was a computer glitch It was faulty and there's a major investigation now internally reflecting a lot of that anger as to why it happened and what can be done to stop it happening again Now I don't understand this story So it went out to everybody and wasn't intended It turns out two of these announcements went out. Yes, and not only just they went out to everyone with a cell phone Did you get one on your cell phone in the drawer? I don't know it had to go look at the phone. I'd have to reboot it first They have to fill that up with some minutes $15 a month max so minutes

12:58 I'm out of minutes. So the, yeah and then the guy this kind of a feet male comes on well you know we look... No human was involved! We don't know what happened! Oh okay there ya go. It goes on and on which has just happened they had to send out a second thing saying it was a false alarm after everyone panicked oh man And then I understand a second one went out same thing The computer! It's the computer It's a glitch. It's just a mess down there, the place is not run very well let's face it. It's a mess these people are incompetent they're all lesbians I mean it's crazy Hey! Lesbians can be competent Well yet you...I think Whitney Cummings I don't know if you get that I didn't get the clip but I heard it

13:47 I should have clipped it. Whitney Cummings comes on and goes on in a tirade, she's another LA left winger about all the... Why is the lesbians? Why are there three lesbians at the top of the fire department? You know, they're the chief, associate chief and some other woman who was a big giant lesbian. And she says this is unbelievable! This is impossible statistically we were supposed to have diversity. There's no diversity She's lesbian. So she went on off the rails, it was quite humorous We have to look that one up, that sounds good Cummings is pretty funny I like her She did a good... Her whole bit on New Year's Eve at CNN was great She was very funny so yeah well they need that and i'm not sure she left anymore

14:39 I think a lot of people have left the left. Yeah, they've left the left. But unfortunately they go nuts like Julian Michaels! All of a sudden they have free speech which they didn't have because it was all held back by politically correct language So they go nuts and it's like, what? Wow. We wouldn't even say that! Here is the CBC on the homeowners insurance. The rising threat of wildfires has many private insurers opting not to renew policies for large parts of the state ,

15:29 whole year income. Insurance companies declined to renew 2.8 million homeowner policies in the state between 2020 and 2022, according to the California Department of Insurance today Ricardo Lara at the State's insurance commissioner said companies should do the right thing I am using my moratorium power to stop all non-renewals and cancellations The problem of canceled policies has forced many homeowners to use a program set up by called the California Fair Plan. The public insurance option was set up to be a last resort decades ago, but demand has soared now covering more than $450 billion US worth of residential property. California is rolling out sweeping new insurance regulations trying to force private companies to take back much of the coverage now handled by the state." That doesn't seem possible

16:25 They're going to force insurance companies to insure? They won't do it. They'll just walk in the whole state! It will be worse than... Here's a couple of things that happened, one is that this Insurance Commission which is poorly operated all our commissions are probably operated in California. It's corrupt state. It's just basically been co-opted by the Democrat Party using absentee and mail-in ballots which is all three West Coast states have done And so they just, but corrupt. And then you have a bunch of people are bought out as all this scam and so the insurance guys decided well to make life easy we'll just put a cap on insurance. Insurance companies says no we can't cap this stuff because some people in there really live in areas that are gonna catch on fire and you guys are doing nothing about fire mitigation at all in this state so we're getting outta here cause your gonna break us! We can't afford this

17:18 which is they're reasonable looking at what happened in Palisades for what the insurance companies did was wise, although sleazy. And so we were just a mess and so a lot of people are gonna lost everything and they're not gonna get anything back except unless they beg the government or they'll get some sort of loan deal Has this impacted you in North California, the insurance skyrocketing? Not much though. Not much. You're on a hill. You're good. You're on bedrock. You're on solid ground my friend. My bedrock is one of those areas that are earthquake resistant. Like my watch is water resistance. No I had a guy called... we had geologists that lived across the street he only reason he lives on the same Hill I'm on

18:03 Which is an anomaly if you look across the bay and there's this, what's this hill doing here? This doesn't shouldn't be here. It's because he says it's like a just big one giant rock that just hasn't eroded over the millions of years it stays solid so when we have a quake the acts like a giant ship So instead of having ground waves or anything that knock your house off its foundation, the whole thing goes like a giant ship and you're like just a passenger. And the appeal of living there is what exactly? Well there's that... it's safe I have a view of the bridge. And the mudflats! The sunsets are dynamite! It must be beautiful yes

18:50 The one thing that's missing... And the Zephyr goes by. You get to see the Zephyr. Yeah, well we- the Zephyr doesn't go by on Thursdays and well it goes by but too early which is a bummer when you don't get a Zephyr report so... No Zephyrs. The one thing were really missing from this and I'm quite surprised we don't have a name for it yet and we have the Great Fire, the great San Francisco fire, I mean we don't have a name! No one has called us anything yet. Well thats because its still They're still putting it out. Only 3% controlled maybe? They're still putting it out! The Great Palisades Fire, maybe? I mean... It's gonna have to be that because that's a good name Yeah, it doesn't encompass everything

19:27 Yeah, but if you get just a reference point I think it's a good name to call it the great Palisades fire 2025 and have you ever seen at this bad in California? In all your your years. Oh no This is the worst thing that's imaginable I've never and I did and I've been to the palisade and friend of mine used to live there and been on a Mulfi Drive, which is part of the Alphabet Streets. Which I think is completely wiped out and it's a beautiful area that is just calm not as spread out as Beverly Hills But it's a great Southern California enclave. Hey, can't they blame it on Trump? So how the great Trump fire I mean that would be fun. They mistimed it. Trump is not in yet so it's a great area and if you go... If you went there during any time this has been I think it was established around 1910 and actually dates back to the 1800s never had an issue like this You would have never guessed that this would happen No

20:29 It's very disturbing. But again, paradise you know California when they burnt to the ground... Well but that was understood I mean That was a weapon? That was directed energy weapon yes your correct And then you have Maui which is another thing you went La Jolla Hey how come none of those elites had blue roofs don't they know didn't they learn from Maui? They figured it out Yeah this is very disturbing So I want to hear your fire clips what did you pick up because your boots on the ground Well, I'm boots on the ground nowhere near the fire. Oh it's close enough closer than of course i will say this i got a uh The great dei fire I'm sorry the troll room has a lot of good names. I like the great dei fire That's a great name the trolls the great dei fire that's not bad let's just start with the fires pbs Let's just get it Start with this there's climate again oh

21:26 Oh, wait. If you're going to go climate I got a lot of climate things Well okay let me put that off then Yeah do that last I'll end with that Yes please do So lets go Cal... what is this? Cal Allway No fire NPR latest and weird Fire NPR latest and weird. I mean, I can move past it. I can see in the waveform where it starts so just pick it up. You're promoting the NPR bundle what is happening to you? Southern California seeping into your brain! California firefighters are getting help from Canada and Mexico as teams of first responders make their way to the Los Angeles area this weekend to help fight terrifying fires

20:29 It's very disturbing. But again, paradise you know California when they burnt to the ground... Well but that was understood I mean That was a weapon? That was directed energy weapon yes your correct And then you have Maui which is another thing you went La Jolla Hey how come none of those elites had blue roofs don't they know didn't they learn from Maui? They figured it out Yeah this is very disturbing So I want to hear your fire clips what did you pick up because your boots on the ground Well, I'm boots on the ground nowhere near the fire. Oh it's close enough closer than of course i will say this i got a uh The great dei fire I'm sorry the troll room has a lot of good names. I like the great dei fire That's a great name the trolls the great dei fire that's not bad let's just start with the fires pbs Let's just get it Start with this there's climate again oh

21:26 Oh, wait. If you're going to go climate I got a lot of climate things Well okay let me put that off then Yeah do that last I'll end with that Yes please do So lets go Cal... what is this? Cal Allway No fire NPR latest and weird Fire NPR latest and weird. I mean, I can move past it. I can see in the waveform where it starts so just pick it up. You're promoting the NPR bundle what is happening to you? Southern California seeping into your brain! California firefighters are getting help from Canada and Mexico as teams of first responders make their way to the Los Angeles area this weekend to help fight terrifying fires

22:30 At a briefing earlier, L.A. Mayor Karen Bass updated reporters on how fire victims are being assisted. FEMA teams are on the ground providing in-person support helping Angelenos apply for disaster relief at the Westwood Recreation Center and Ritchie Valens Park The Small Business Administration is now offering home disaster loans, business disaster loans and economic injury disaster loans. More strong winds are forecast this weekend here's LA County Fire Chief Anthony Maroney These winds combined with dry air and dry vegetation will keep the fire threat in Los Angeles County high

23:11 At this hour, the Palisades Fire, the largest of the California blazes is only 11% contained. But firefighters are making progress on Kenneth fire thousands of Southern Californians have lost their homes to wildfires this week what's next for each varies but Rachel Myro from member station KQED reports some survivors are planning to weather the near future together What does that mean? It doesn't mean anything So now we're going to go, this is from yesterday so this is the closest to our show. This is the rundown from PBS As the light of day dawned over Los Angeles a thick wall of smoke fanned out over hillside neighborhoods that have been spared by flames But as those fires crept ever closer helicopters scrambled to drench the wildfires with water pulled from nearby reservoir

24:05 As you can see the Palisades fire continuing to chew through the Santa Monica mountains. Overnight, the fire burning through Pacific Palisade spread northeast and tore through vast tracts of the Santa Monica Mountains that flare up spurred additional evacuations in the Brentwood and Encino neighborhoods Los Angeles City Fire Chief Kristen Crowley gave an update this morning we immediately redeployed resources from the San Fernando Valley to begin evacuation and extinguishment efforts with a relentless air attack utilizing all available aircraft in the area. Mayor Karen Bass stood by Crowley responding to mounting criticism about inadequate firefighting resources We have got to stay focused until this time passes when the fires are out

24:54 make no mistake, we will have a full accounting of what worked and especially what did not. A Los Angeles Times investigation found that a key area reservoir was empty in the lead up to the fires when firefighters confronted dry hydrants. Los Angeles County Fire Chief Anthony Maroney defended the department's preparations and deflected criticism aimed at decision makers I did everything in my power to make sure that we had enough personnel and resources before the first fire started. It wasn't for a lack of preparation and decision making

25:36 that resulted in this catastrophe. It was a natural disaster." I think the fire chief is the smartest, she came right out and said now now i got let down by the city it's no good they screwed me over why are they? I mean I don't...I really don't know if they would have been able to suppress this but with firefighting you mean the only way to suppress it is to prevent it which has just not done Well, that prevention one and also jumping on it when it started instead of letting it get out of control. Was there a delay? There had to be... I mean just like well this looks like something's starting up. Something is going on over there. So we got now this is at one of the council women from the LA City Council Tracy Park who is the one representing Palisades and she's irked

26:29 She's just lost her constituents. She can't get voted in again because there is no one left. But she was a Republican turned Democrat, because in California if you want to run for office and you're a Republican forget about it. You change your party to Democrat and run as a Democrat with Republican talking points then you tend to win a lot but here's... There's there's a guy who did that in Austin to get on city council. But he actually went around to parties saying, you know I'm really Republican but it just registers a Democrat to get in and everyone looked at him like, You fool! No one voted for him Well they shouldn't have said that no i know is the dumbest thing ever because idiotic I don't know why he did it I've seen the light and now a democrat

27:13 All right, Tracy Parks. Tracy Park represents Pacific Palisades in the Los Angeles City Council What happened in the palisades over the last several days was not unpredictable We already know when there's a wildfire event our communication systems go down we already know that during evacuation processes we have traffic bottlenecks so to see those same issues repeat in what has now become the most devastating natural disaster in Los Angeles history is incredibly frustrating. Park says the LA Fire Department's budget is inadequate for today's needs We have about the same number of firefighters and fire stations in the city of Los Angeles that we had 60 years ago but our demands for service have tripled There are 4 million people here There are four million people in the city of Los Angeles

28:05 We have about a hundred fire engines and ambulances out of service sitting in the maintenance yard. Why? Why is this the case because they don't have enough mechanics and here in the city of Los Angeles we need at least 62 new fire stations to meet average daily demand in our city not 5, not 10, not 25...62! I hope that this is a wake-up call so Is there any conversation you have with your neighbors? Oh, I'm sorry. What am I even thinking but let's say you had a conversation with your neighbors Yeah last time we said my neighbor was that Putin is running the country So it was four years eight years ago Well doesn't matter this nothing's changed putin's run in the country is anyone in Northern California talking about preparedness and our are Because you know you have similar type of leadership going on In fact You have the same governor

29:03 I mean, if something bad happens in Northern California do you feel that everyone's prepared there? No. Okay good. No nobody cares Nobody cares why not what is this what is this Why does nobody care Why is there What is that What is it about the milieu Anomie It was from being depressed by being run by a bunch of... This is a corrupt state At least it was just kind of giving up on it. They don't there's no organization I see anybody talking much about it except all those poor Angelino's those idiots down there Oh, yeah You know they should have saw this coming to Santa Ana rinse winds get pretty pretty wild we get wet This sort of wind too is called offshore breeze And it never gets a hundred miles an hour or anything but in LA does all the time

29:55 Not every year, but every so often. But once every decade with the high winds and this is... When I was a little kid, I remembered them talking about the Santa Ana winds and the fires down there. There's the Bel Air fire, I think it was 1969 not sure 6169 you look it up on Wikipedia. It was like one of the worst fires but it doesn't even compare to this, but it burnt down Bel Air which is a nice community yeah the Bel Air fire was 61 November 661 484 homes 6,000 acres. That's a teeny weeny fire! There was nothing compared to this. Yeah it was a teeny weenie fire that was a big deal because of all the celebrities that were affected as you see listed. But this celebrity...the number of celebrities in this one is really a whopper but

30:44 So let's go to, I've got two more clips and you can take it to climate. Which is fires in COPD which i thought was interesting The vast plumes of smoke and ash from these fires are threatening the health of people miles away It has led both the Biden administration and Los Angeles County to declare public health emergencies Allie Rogan spoke with Dr. Russell Boer, an assistant professor of medicine and public health at UCLA. Dr. Boer thank you so much for joining us. You've lived on the West Coast for a long time how does this fire compare to others that you've experienced? And what sort of symptoms are folks presenting in your clinical practice right now? It's been a very busy few days and lots of calls and messages from patients and lots of folks coming into clinic

31:30 feeling more short of breath, more chest tightness and generally just worse than their baseline. And I spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to optimize people's respiratory medications to compensate for that but also a lot of time doing counseling on how to best keep themselves safe given these difficult circumstances that we're experiencing here in LA right now What sort of health issues tend to crop up when there's fires like this? We worry the most about people with chronic heart and lung disease, and that's because small particles can actually work their way all the way down not only into the deepest parts of the lung but even sometimes transit into the bloodstream through the lung. And so what we worry about most is acute flare-ups of coughs, shortness of breath, and wheezing especially in the lungs —and that can affect even people without preexisting lung disease—

32:19 or for people that do have pre-existing lung disease, to flare up inflammation to the point of needing medical attention if the inflammation gets so bad that people aren't able to get enough oxygen into their body. Even short term high doses of exposure like we see when the air quality index is above 200 can be very hazardous to people who are otherwise healthy and I tell people even if you're a seasoned athlete this is not the time to be going outside and taking a nice hike up to the top of the hills to see if you can see the fire or not. This is affecting everyone. Sucking in soot! That's right, Obama predicted it before. Before you go to climate, can I just play two short clips from Gavin Newsom? Because yeah absolutely there's something else going on here that want to ask you about this is from Meet The Press he did an extensive interview

33:09 A lot of Trump stuff in there, of course. But this was interesting. Over the course of next several years Los Angeles will be host to the World Cup and then the Super Bowl and then the Olympics with this rebuilding effort needing to take place is LA going to be ready for all those global events? My humble position and it's not just being naively optimistic that only reinforces the imperative moving quickly doing in the spirit of collaboration and cooperation. President United States, Donald Trump to his credit was helpful in getting the Olympics to the United States of America to get it down here in LA we thank him for that this is an opportunity for him to shine for this country to shine for California and this community to shine the opportunity with all of that

33:56 and all that opportunity, and that pride in spirit that comes from not just hosting those three iconic games and venues but also the opportunity I think to rebuild at the same time. And that's why we're already organizing a Marshall Plan We already have a team of looking reimagining LA 2.0 and we are making sure everyone is included not just folks on the coast people here that were ravaged by this disaster LA 2.0 getting ready for the World Cup, the Olympic Games, the Super Bowl How can they do this? Is L.A hosting the Super Bowl? Well, that's not this year. It's a year or two from now Okay But they're not gonna rebuild all this within two years are they you can't or maybe they have the need to rebuild for Russia's Super Bowl is probably gonna be in that new sofa and one of those did not so far but there's that stadium at I think the Chargers playing this stadium is not damaged

34:50 Right, and they could play in the LA Coliseum. It's not damaged. It is highly inappropriate The Palisades is not anywhere near where these are you know, but it's inappropriate Oh, listen bull nobody cares about the mark well the television audience won't care Let's listen to the Marshall Plan You just said you're organizing a Marshall plan for the rebuilding of California What is that Marshall? Would you mind explaining for my benefit the Marshall Plan, the original Marshall Plan? Just trying to get some context as to why he's calling it a Marshall plan. Yeah, George... I think it's George C. Marshall, I could be wrong was the general after World War II who instituted a build back better Europe plan to get Europeans to get the... especially they get the Germans back on their feet because it's a powerhouse operation that really produces a lot of stuff there important part of the capitalist system

35:50 And we just dedicated a lot of money and effort to reestablishing, spent a lot of American taxpayer dollars to get the capitalist system back on track in Europe. I mean that was it. Supposedly when he was doing so there's help the people but no. No, no, no. It was like big business getting its act together. We got, look at this up there's a tire factory needs rebuilding maybe Firestone can own it? I mean kind of thing yeah. Okay so then you go Just and we'll listen to the the Marshall plan clip, but bearing that in mind He's now by the way I can be correct into what I said so no that's off the off-the-cuff. I'd say you're good at that You should just say

36:34 There's no evidence. And then you cover it. No evidence? This is true. But there's not a Marshall Plan, who would represent Marshall in this deal? Well my question is where's the money coming from unless you are doing exactly what you described... You heard what them were the monies coming from with with the first clip there Companies! Companies! No Trump We'll see. We're talking to labor leaders. We're starting to organize how we can put together a collection of individuals on philanthropy for recovery, how we can organize the region, and make sure that we are seeking federal assistance for the Olympics more broadly but also federal assistance for their recovery efforts and how we can galvanize the community

37:31 with folks that love this community to really develop a mindset so that at scale we're dealing with the scope of this tragedy and responding to it at scale with efficiency like the executive order I talked about, time value of delivering projects addressing building codes addressing permitting issues moving forward to rebuilding and being more resilient. Yeah that's gonna take a lot of change in California to do that But maybe that's a great idea. Maybe California becomes our new manufacturing hub, you know? Just change everything. He talks... he's talking big game here man. We're driving people out of the state with the taxation problems and all the rest of it. Except John Zavorack! So is he just talking in a big game because he wants to make it look like he's actually trying to accomplish something but this is and if you listen between read between the lines it seems to me that they're just looking for federal money

38:25 Because hey look what happened to us we got and meanwhile court the people of course the people in North Carolina Including some cutie pie who was on one of the Twitter? Twitter Posts, and she's going and she's ranting And I think those are you of course day. Hey what about us? We got people living in the snow here There's got no houses They're intense that nobody's doing anything You're gonna give all the money to California all of a sudden if fires not even out how about how about Maui Well, Maui's done. Yeah, Oprah bought it. Last time I saw you in the Palisades on Wednesday right after this fire started you were on the phone at the side of the road trying to reach President Biden subsequent to that he pledged 100% of the disaster recovery relief for the next six months is that enough? It says significant I mean, in fact when I was on the phone use only the phone I was trying to get the satellite to phone work.

39:24 And he said, no I'm gonna do a hundred percent. So what is this 100% of? Is it... It's nothing! It's bullcrap First of all this phone call He was being confronted by we've many of us have seen the clip We have yeah He's confronted by some angry woman shaking her fist at him basically and all of a sudden Oh, I got a call he claims he had a call or he's gonna call something he has some reason to get on his phone And it looked like a regular cell phone to me. It didn't look like a sat phone, I don't know... Well you know the new iPhones you wouldn't know this but the new iPhones are able outside supposedly to do text. He was lying! Look let's just be honest. He was lying that is the point he was just lying yeah

40:13 But Biden did come out and say he was going to give a big support. I don't know why Gavin seems to have this need to embellish the results of Biden's claim he is going to give 100% of necessary money for the next six months, to 90%. To say I only asked for 90%, but good old Joe gave us a hundred. Why is he adding this unnecessary piece of information? Does it make it sound like there really is back and forth going on? Come on! Yeah you're right...I was negotiating and he upped me It was crazy. I was on the phone satellite

40:52 Yeah, all right. That's it from people have ever seen a true sat phone oh yeah the thing is huge It's huge and it's got an antenna that's a big giant thick giant antenna like a like a soup can Please, please do not email me pictures of your sat phone that has a very small antenna. Okay? There's no sat phones with small antennas! We're just being humorous. If it had a small antenna and had that much power it would blow your brain out if you used it. We're just being humorous people all right What's your next clip? All right, I guess I can wrap it here with there's not that much change from the last show to be honest about but we do have...I did have to get this real short part. I didn't play the whole...I didn't clip the whole thing because it is a just dumb

41:37 This is the PBS, their take on the whole thing and they have to throw climate change in. Prolonged drought and those powerful Santa Ana winds set up extreme conditions that have fueled those devastating Los Angeles area wildfires. Conditions compounded by climate change And today researchers from NOAA and NASA underline that point, releasing analysis showing that 2024 was the hottest year in recorded history. Dating back almost 200 years! Oh yeah... Wait a second, stop for a second The hottest year on record? Dating back to 100- wait there's records before 200 years ago?! I have even better statistics coming up

42:22 Oh, this is the worst ever since forever all recorded history is basically what he said. Yes for all recorded history 200 years ago This is the hottest year ever and it's like dubious It would be great if one of our producers could go into being at IO and get the clip from every single Year that says this is the hottest year on record because it has been that way for every year At least five years maybe longer They just keep doing it. Oh, hottest year ever! Hottest year on record so I want to get into some climate change stuff because immediately...I didn't even play the there were a couple of clips before the end of the year maybe we played one or two

43:05 because Copernicus had already announced it's the hottest year on record. It was so dumb and I think people are tired of it, so it wasn't even really a news story anymore but it popped to the top of the stack right away oh yes we have a climate change angle! We got nothing else to say let's do climate change. It was spurred on I might add by our vice president who re-emerged in the Oval Office at an incredible moment where our mentally demented, is that the right word? Mentally retarded because it is a retardation. Challenged! No, it's a retardation of his mental acuity He was talking almost like a conspiracy theorist like this was a directed energy weapon I mean he...this could have been about the Maui fire He could have been Tim Pool

43:59 It was amazing. And then Kamala throws in the climate change, kind of to save the day. Listen to this... It looked at me as I travel when I was out with you in California What it reminded me of, reminded me more of a war scene where you had certain targets that were bombarded. Artillery just blew them up No, with no rhyme or reason. In other words you'd have this fire going crazy and burning everything down and three houses being fine

44:38 nothing's happening. Or neighborhoods that were still green, be still green and next to a place for example you know we're just looking at the Secret Service house it was out there you know all the vehicles are melted melt melt yet then house next door stil has green shrubbery on it Hey after his presidency is over Biden can do a podcast This is fantastic! You know, what is the Secret Service house? I think that's Kamala Harris' secret service house.

45:14 I don't know, it doesn't matter. He's talking space lasers here people. And you know the house is fine there's only i think four or five houses of that 200 you know in the Pasadena area but my generic point is it's almost like- what is your point? Kamala get in there! You get in there and change the messaging But its a battle scene But you know Mr President we saw that in South Carolina, North Carolina Georgia and Florida with hurricanes. This is also the nature of to your point this changing climate To your point? No he was making a directed energy weapon point! To your point it's changing climate what?! So this immediate... Wow This was the big virtue signal like okay we're switching to climate hello hello hello We're switching to climate everybody Smirkonish get on your show Here's the bottom line

46:06 The prospect of change coming from Washington is dubious, especially where President-elect Trump has denied—ridiculed actually—the idea of a warming planet. And the public has shown no reluctance to continue to build and live in areas repeatedly hit by wildfire and tropical storm whether it's California North Carolina or Florida But maybe exactly the same North Carolina's being hit by tropical storms constantly and fight. No, no he misunderstood what the vice president said because she said those exact three states only He thought uh, whatever be he just he messed it up He flubbed this line but the message went out This is this is the messaging its extreme weather equals climate change in areas repeated which I have to say

46:54 I'm surprised. I'm really surprised that they're doing this." It's like, do you think the American people are stupid? Sorry for being rhetorical but we're not stupid! We can see what's happening with the great DEI fire. We understand this is a leadership breakdown. We really do But you're going to try and gaslight us. I'm gonna go with the DEI far, i like that a lot! It's good isn't it? Yeah... I forget who said- whoever said that let me know who that is so we can credit you in- No they'll all take credit these guys. No no no no no no. I did it!

47:32 Oh, no. No. And areas repeatedly hit by wildfire and tropical storm whether it's California North Carolina or Florida but maybe change is coming in the form of depleted insurance companies no longer covering areas prone to extreme weather And if they won't insure, then banks won't lend leaving certain areas accessible only to the very few who can afford to purchase without a mortgage. Without a mortgage and without insurance? Huh?! How many will have to be uprooted before we realize... What kind of idiot are you talking about? Yeah this is crazy! We're in it together Where sadly the cause of the California wildfires seems like it's destined to become a partisan football. Here is todays poll question at smirkandish dot com Which is more to blame for the devastation we're seeing in California? Is it climate change or government mismanagement of resources I love this, were going to do a poll We don't actually have a troll room that's live You know were just gonna throw some nuts This reminds me... Where did you get this? This is CNN

48:36 Smirko? No, you know they have just deteriorated. I mean MSNBC stuck with their guns and they still hate Trump in the same old way They haven't changed anything but CNN has actually gotten worse Back in the MTV days. I did dial MTV and now we're talking 88 89 and So you could call in and you could say I want this my favorite video. I want poison. I'm on Janet Jackson And it was always a racist voice like that. Was that right? Well, it was standby because what happened is New Kids on the Block hit the scene and MTV did not play New Kids on the Block They hated new kids on the block because you know we're much cheaper than that now I'm not gonna play Maki Maka New Kids on the Block and then play all that

49:34 That was another racist voice I did. And what kind of a racist? I don't know. I don't know what's happened to me, I don't know it's you lost it. You've lost the big game but these stories are good keep going so so you could call in one eight hundred dial MTV. I remember the number and we'd count them down the top ten videos of the day right here on Dial MTV which later became Total Request Live with Carson Daly which shows you if I had not left MTV I could have been on The Today Show but anyway So New Kids on the Block, and they just kept it was number one. And then a certain point is just it wasn't on there anymore. They just said no when people kept calling requesting New Kids On The Block either we wouldn't play it like oh we don't have time for new kids on the block. Gotta go to commercial or are we just remove it from the list? It was total phoniness. It was fake and

50:31 What? So, Smerkonis with his we're doing a poll. We're doing a poll what do you think? Is it climate change or is it incompetency hmm I don't know so then he brings on Senator Whitehouse the Democrat Oh that asshole from Rhode Island joining us now is senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island who until recently was chair of the Senate Budget Committee He is now the ranking member on the Committee of Environmental and Public Works. Thank you for being here, Senator. You heard my whole setup. What is most significant from your perspective given how you've spent the last two years working on these issues? What do you think he's going to say? Climate change is killing us!

51:22 I would say two things. First, a long campaign of lies and disinformation by the fossil fuel industry is now colliding with the business model of the insurance industry which requires it to accurately predict future risk And this isn't just LA The risk is increasing in Florida as you mentioned even states like Oklahoma and the cascade that follows is this Climate change makes risk to homeowners unpredictable, which makes home insurance either unaffordable or flat unavailable. You see in a backward way in a roundabout way they're blaming Trump for this you have to understand this is what's so great about it they have they are following the playbook because well all you know

52:11 All these problems is because of the fossil fuel industry and you know that's why the insurance industry can't accurately predict what's going to happen even though they've done quite well. Their profits have been phenomenal, have you seen it? They're just doing exceptionally well. I should mention some years ago when these congress people who invest a lot They keep their, the records are available to the public but they're in the basement of some building. You have to actually go physically to look at them and see what's going on. Is that still the case? I don't think that is still the case. No no because people are getting Pelosi trading records... Well that true there but i think it's because they're going into the basement then publishing it. This not government data that you're saying cause I know this couple websites show all these different holdings that these guys have and they're trading and what they're up too

53:04 But this isn't something the government's doing. That was what was requested by the people that wanted... The people! So White House is a big investor in fossil fuels? Okay, yes well of course I mean but still we're going to use this to blame Trump which makes more... Yeah you're right this is very subtle and I think it's almost too subtle Well standby There's nobody buying this crap Which makes mortgage... I take it back. Yeah, I think people are buying it. Which makes mortgages unavailable on that property or in that region and with mortgages unavailable property values crash and the property values crash is predicted to be significant enough that it creates an economic cascade into the entire US economy just like 2008 did and in fact this is a global

53:56 problem leading the April issue of The Economist magazine saying that climate change is shaking the foundations of the biggest asset class on the planet, real estate. So we're looking potentially at going off a very steep cliff here when the rate of insurance failure accelerates." Okay so he's obviously all in on the climate change not thinking about government inadequacies, so let's try and see if we can get him to talk about that. So I read the report of the Budget Committee the way you've explained it and the report make perfect sense to me but you know that some are watching paying attention and saying wait a minute the reservoir was empty the fire hydrants had no water they're even going so far as to introduce DEI factors and questioning some of the hires that have been made among firefighters You would say what? To those people

54:51 There is obviously a lot of nonsense that is going to be propagated by fossil fuel interests and the Republicans who are paid by fossil fuel interests. It's Twitter's fault! Where's our fossil fuel money? Exactly, where's our fossil fuel check?! But if you look aside from just this fire You also see fire risk and coastal flooding risk and in case of Oklahoma, hail risk. The risks are increasing and you can't blame the floods in Florida. Oh hold on we know that there's never been hail

55:32 Historically, never been hail in Oklahoma or Texas. It's all new because of climate change! I was just about to say we've never had hail no it's never been an issue and you can't blame the floods in Florida on a bad reservoir in California There really is a risk profile that's changing. We've gone from two billion dollar plus disasters a year to 18 as you pointed out we've just... You know what? Who cares, just stop giving money to Ukraine! You'll make it back in two weeks. Broken through the 1.5 degrees danger barrier for climate change. So there always going to be some local made-up excuse but the fact of the matter is that

56:18 The weather is changing, it is changing from climate change. That's what is changing the risk and the insurance companies have to look forward and try to judge this accurately for their stockholders and for their business model And they're the ones who are saying across the country we've gotta back off We gotta raise rates, get out What the hell is going to happen here? I don't think he answered the question, but okay that's fine. It was all misinformation and disinformation We're going to wrap it up with these two short clips Social media reaction from the world of X What do we have? A lot of reaction I'm told already I'm not surprised Unfortunate had no clue that Atzmer Kaddish was a climate cult guy Really?! You know why? So first he is gonna take some

57:02 and he's gonna discredit them because someone called him a climate cult guy. He's a climate cult guy, really? You know why Sperkonish has become a climate cult guy? Oh he is. Because I have two things... take it off the screen. Hold on, is he talking about himself in the third person? Yes. What an egomaniac! That's what you do. Do you know what Dvorak says? What does Dvorak say? He says bullcrap You know why Swerconish has become a climate cult guy? Because I have two things. Take it off the screen, I have two things. I've got a TV set and a window. Hey you got a TV set and a window?!

57:47 What are the months left? I have a TV set and I have a window. You could be a climate cult guy, you got a TV set in the window... Yeah probably on CNN. You should demand your gig! Okay do you need anything more than to know what's going on big picture then to have a television set and a window? That's all you need to understand science is a television set and a window, preferably tuned to something mainstream. Let's wrap it up with the poll results! So there's the results so far of todays poll question. It's recounted, a lot of voting damn 37,929 which is more to blame for the devastation of the California wildfire 73% saying it's climate change 27%, almost a third saying government mismanagement of resources. 73% says its climate change

58:41 Of the five people watching. You know, this was a very well set up presentation by you because you brought in that MTV nonsense. Yeah it's a total scam! It's rigged man it's rigged! It's rigged? You can't trust CNN now unfortunately... Which really by the way I should mention this-I am stunned that CNN is as bad as it is When you have one of the board members of Discovery, the network that owns them. The corporation that owns them is John Malone! Yeah... John Malone is one of the most staunchest conservative Republicans in business history, and he puts up with this. He's old, he's in his 80s, an octogenarian as you'd call him, so I guess he needs to get testosterone or something because he's getting pushed around

59:36 Let's go around the world and check in with the climate is changing, we are seeing that these wildfires are becoming more extreme and we're getting more extreme weather events. In fact in 2024 warmest year for the earth since 1850 when we've been keeping records Earth's annual temperature was above that 1.5 degrees Celsius threshold and what impact does that potentially mean? 41% more land is burned by wildfires as a result That's a look at the forecast across the country let's see what's going on in your neighborhood Okay my neighbor

1:00:20 My neighborhood is chilly here in Texas. We are freezing during the night, but okay the danger barrier has been crossed and the National Oceanic AA guys they're here to tell us why Tom how does 2024 rank in the climate record? In the climate record oh let's listen At the very top 2024 he is a second year in a row where global temperatures were the hottest in our at least 175-year record 175! I wish they could get their numbers straight. 200 since time began, 275... This is NOAA you'd think that would be the guys right? That is kind of scary to hear that our climate continues to get warmer and warmer and how does this impact Coloradans in other western states

1:01:10 Yeah, so we're experiencing the impacts from our warming temperatures and climate change every single day. Every day? For the most part especially for folks out in Colorado you experience that through hotter temperatures during the summertime You can experience that where precipitation falls as rain and not as much snow It can lead to there being heavy rainfall events during periods of the year That could lead to flash flooding it could also lead to even drier than average conditions So it can lead to flash flooding more rain and drier condition It's amazing this climate change. Really, really hot temperatures and not a lot of rain that can dry out. I don't understand! It's like really real- A LOT OF RAIN IT'S CRAZY And it can lead to really, really dry weather You know it's like uh what do you call it? Weather! ...really quickly and that could lead to... Really, really, really, really, really quickly! Conditions for wildfires to break out That's the conditions for wildfires to break out if only they had more rain

1:02:02 inducive conditions for wildfires to break out. I can't imagine the job of trying to take the Earth's temperature, how does NASA and NOAA undertake that project? You stick a thermometer up its butt! Well, we're not alone. We have the cooperation of countries across the entire globe who basically have weather stations situated across their country that allow all of us to grab all of that data not only land-based but also ocean based. We have buoys in our oceans and ships And we take all of that information and be able to basically quilt it together into a global product which allows us to tell you all that 2024 was indeed the warmest year on record. There is indeed the warmest year on record, that is the global product! It's atrocious now we knew

1:02:47 We knew 15 years ago that children in the UK would never see snow again except in snow globes. Let's check out the UK. Well, the cold snap continues with the UK recording its chilliest January night What? The guy's... Talk to the guy, he's standing out there in the snow. in the snow. If we weren't doing this show so hard... I always find that hilarious! But you remember the articles, oh children will only see snow in snow globes? Oh yeah no never see snow again Only in snow globes This is why we are allowed to be skeptical In fact deniers of this nonsense because We've been hearing this for more than 17 years And we remember when it was Leonard Nimoy

1:03:42 in the blizzard telling us it was going to be global cooling and we're going into a new ice age. It is all a lie, it's a money grab, it is a grift! I'm gonna wind up this nonsense with clips from NPR which you just won't believe Our national treasure helps us understand why this is 2024's the hottest year on record ever. Let's put some numbers on this extraordinary heat. Extraordinary heat! It's been the coolest summer in Texas that I can recall. Extraordinary heat. So... Hey Curry, weather isn't climate okay? Yeah we remember that one

1:04:21 Until it was the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or NOAA and NASA just announced their official numbers on Friday. And they both say that 2024 was about 1.5 degrees Celsius hotter than it was back in the 1800's before people started burning tons of fossil fuels for reference, that is about 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit And 1.5 C, you might have heard of it It's kind of a symbolic number because back in the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement most countries tried to pledge to keep global warming to less than 2C and ideally less than 1.5 And I want to be clear that being past that number for just one year, that doesn't mean those goals are breached. But it's not a good sign. But you said last year was actually hotter than scientists had anticipated? Yeah 2023 and 2024 were both off the charts hot. Here is how climate scientist Zeke Hausfather describes some of the temperature records from 2023. Gobsmackingly bananas! Very descriptive and so the last two years... Can you believe this can you believe this is they

1:05:23 They throw to a clip of a scientist like a nat pop and they just throw that in. Housefather describes some of the temperature records from 2023 gobsmackingly bananas very descriptive and so the last two years they were about 2 tenths of a degree celcius wait, wait, wait! Very descriptive of what? It's not descriptive at all it's just hyperbole yeah, yeah... ...is hotter than scientists even expected HOTTER! That might not sound like a lot but housefather says its equivalent to about a decade of global warming And that really matters because it's important to know if this extra heat represents a permanent change to the climate or something else. And why? Why, that is definitely the question! That is definitely the question! Can we answer the question? Scientists have looked at so many things they looked at stuff like the solar cycle...that wasn't it. Nope They looked at dust in the air

1:06:18 That wasn't it either and then there was this other idea about a volcano that erupted in 2022. And the volcano shot water vapor into the atmosphere which could theoretically heat up the planet but no, that didn't pan out either It's you stupid humans! So so a number of possibilities but No one thing could be held responsible for those numbers. Oh, come on now! What else is on the suspect list? Oh, John what else could be on the suspect list?! What have we not discussed yet? What could be on the suspect... It wasn't a volcano it wasn't the sun... Cough farts!? El Niño was El Niño which is part of this natural climate cycle and during El Niño years the planet is generally warmer but when it first got unexpectedly hot El Niño hadn't even started yet

1:07:05 Gavin Schmidt is a climate scientist at NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies. It's hard to blame the El Nino for things that happened before the El Nino even really started. It turns out that El Nino probably had some effect on 2024s numbers, but overall scientists were still scratching their heads. Oh really? They didn't read the memo you're supposed to blame humans thank you for reminding us of cow farts! And burps. And farts and burps! And what did they find? Yeah, they went to one other place Scott The next thing they looked at were these weird kinds of clouds These are the tracks of ships It's like a contrail from an airplane Uh you mean chemtrails?!

1:07:45 Holy crap. Now they're just coming out and saying it, it kind of looks like contrails but its not It starts as a contrail but then it kind of spreads out But from a ship over the ocean That's Andrew Gettleman he is a climate scientist at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Ships burn fossil fuels and pollution from that actually creates these cloud trails behind them that cool earth And in 2020, that ship fuel actually... Ships? Wait to see the ships cool the earth. But wait! In 2020 something changed and in 2020 that ship fuel actually got cleaner and that meant smaller ship track clouds and in turn a hotter planet and that could actually make up about half of

1:08:27 You gotta follow the logic here. There is no logic! So these ships created these clouds, not airplanes, no... The ships created these clouds but since Shipping fuel got cleaner. I must have missed that story since shipping fuel got cleaner There's no more clouds smaller ship track clouds and in turn a hotter planet And that could actually make up about half of the mystery heat and scientists think decreases in other cloud So we're also hold on a second Do you remember the... why isn't the tides rising? Because Australia is acting like a giant sponge. Remember that story?

1:09:09 Australia's acting like a giant sponge. Australia is like a giant sponge and so the oceans aren't rising because this sponge-like quality of Australia somehow, is sucking up the water you don't remember that well somebody I'm sure does but I have to go dig it up now but these crazy cockamamie stories that are just reverse engineered to explain why something doesn't happen the way they want it to. I think this is actually engineered to bring in something that they do want, it's 25 seconds. And scientists think decreases in other clouds that were also formerly caused by pollution might make up another chunk So let me understand this clearer skies sunnier skies caused by less pollution

1:09:57 ends up promoting climate change? Yeah, it's not ideal. But scientists like Schmitt say that just means cutting fossil fuel emissions is even more important to get at that main driver of climate change. What?! We have a solution everybody don't worry about it we'll just do some chemtrails and then bring the clouds back this they are I mean... And that was NPR! NPR Meanwhile, don't send them your money people. Meanwhile the entire finance industry, finance they're out there not participating in it anymore that these these propagandists

1:10:42 are tilting at windmills because no one is going to pay for this stuff. Everybody's out! You're just trying to gaslight everybody, but there's no more money the banks are done with funding this nonsense." As Los Angeles burns and climate scientists paint a darker vision of the future The heat is on the world's financial leaders To help solve the crisis But after committing to the cause a few years ago big American institutions Are now getting cold feet A similar chill in Canada may be on the way. Right here, right now is where finance draws the line. A splashy statement from a different time that's former Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney on stage at a UN climate conference in 2021 spearheading a huge alliance of financial institutions committed to getting emissions down quite frankly facilities that do not scale up

1:11:31 aren't relevant to the scale of the problem. Fast forward and some of those facilities, those banks have bailed on this so-called net zero banking alliance from Goldman Sachs to Citigroup every major US bank has left JP Morgan Chase the last to quit this week saying little more than it'll still focus on low carbon technologies while advancing energy security. Disappointing, if not surprising. Patti McCulley is with the French non-profit Reclaim Finance The idea of the voluntary alliance was for banks to focus money into renewables and eventually away from fossil fuels but in the US the winds have shifted All the U.S. banks are running scared of Trump 2.0 Their fear over being backed by Trump is much greater than their climate commitment

1:12:15 So, thank God you can bring it back to Trump. This is great! Oh, Trump 2.0 which isn't the new thing now? Trump 2.0 and because of Trump just the fear of Trump The banks are pulling out. He is responsible for our future death? The entire ESG scheme is designed to funnel your retirement money... During his last campaign, President-elect Donald Trump galvanized voters against ESG—environmental, social and governance investing. But Adam Scott, climate finance expert and executive director at Shift Action says the backlash isn't driven by public desire. It's not a real political movement of citizens, it is a cynical attempt by fossil fuel industry in collusion with governments to try and slow down this inevitable transition The fear is that all of Canada's major banks might follow suit though some critics say that's not necessarily a bad thing considering these institutions continue to fund fossil fuel projects

1:13:11 Ultimately, these are supposed to be coalitions of leaders. Their commitments are meaningful and it's not helpful to pretend that these institutions are taking this seriously." Notice that even the Canadian banks they're afraid of Trump 2.0! The Canadian Banking Association says its members know they have a role in the energy transition but decide their alliance participation individually Another factor experts say is the complexity of net zero itself Diane-Laure Régéliez is with Western University's Ivy Business School. There were new forms of climate exposure, new carbon emissions that were not really anticipated so for them right now it is extremely difficult to commit to net zero But she adds all institutions need to shift to longer term thinking as climate change raises financial risks such as property loss from fire disasters It's a very rational

1:14:01 economic decision. Each day we wait, it's a loss of opportunity and it's going to be more costly in the future." But even with these high-profile exits experts see hope with European alliance members carrying the net zero torch forward. Never talk about China. It's almost like it is a scheme to sucker Europe into doing it because they're so dumb. Oh yes, yeah well there... Well you know we can't do it over here because we got this Trump guy and he's gonna make life difficult So we're gonna have to go all in on fossil fuel get cheap energy So everybody all prices come down because cheap energy makes a huge difference in the economy But you Europeans you can hold up the banner high Yes Queen Ursula! You dumb Europeans Go on, go do it

1:14:50 The problem is their parliamentary systems and it's, they can't. They just can't... I mean Europe needs a revolution but they're not going to do it so they have been muted they've been beaten down and muted there's no way they can do it look at Geert Wilders this was the far right his party won what happens? They bring in the former spook and nothing happens Nothing changes The final bit on this nonsense is Hollywood. Because of course, Hollywood has been severely affected. We've had many stars' homes burn

1:15:30 including some iconic film sets. Thousands of families have lost their homes this week also gone in the devastating wildfires are pieces of Hollywood history with a number of historic houses and sets used in iconic TV and film Will Rogers Ranch House, a property dating back to the 1920s was completely destroyed in the Palisades fire built on 186 acres overlooking the Pacific Ocean it has 31 rooms corrals a stable riding ring pole field, golf course and hiking trails. It was where the famed actor lived and rode horses before his death in 1935 And then there's the infamous Bunny Museum His widow Betty Rogers gave the property to the state in 1944 and it became a historic State Park The bunny museum located in Altadena and dedicated to all things bunnies was also destroyed Okay great

1:16:23 For a more serious... What? I've never heard of the bunny. All Things Bunnies? All Things Bunnies, that's right! The Bunny Museum was destroyed for a more serious take on the impact on Hollywood we go to Reuters what's been the impact to the entertainment industry Well, the immediate impact is some productions are shut down. The Oscar nominations have been delayed by two days where we've just kicked off award season with the Golden Globes. Everybody was feeling optimistic about a new year and now other red carpet events are being postponed So that's kind of put a cast over the whole thing. That is, you know not as joyful in this celebratory season but beyond that Hollywood has been through a lot there were you know it was first it was the pandemic where there was no production then we had two strikes last year where a lot of people were out of work and the industry still been recovering from that especially the crew members the working class people who work on TV and movie sets A lot of them have been out of work for a long time And this is just another disruption

1:17:23 Hopefully, this is a shorter temporary one. But it also makes you wonder about the long-term impact there's been production leaving LA anyway because it's expensive to film here and I know there are people asking questions like oh gosh, this is another negative for LA as far as when people are deciding where to shoot? Are they going to once again decide we want to go somewhere else and a lot of people in the entertainment industry live here or they love it here and they prefer to work here if Oh, goodness gracious. And everyone was so excited! We had the Golden Globes, the 82nd... Everyone was upbeat it was gonna be another great year we're kicking off award show season and since this is my beat

1:18:04 Nikki Glaser had this to say during the award so much has already happened in the first half and the acceptance speeches have been on fire Who got shouted out the most let's look at the numbers All right cast and crew are leading the way with 11 mentions Moms are holding strong with three shoutouts God creator of universe zero mentions and Mario Lopez host of Access Hollywood won all right no surprise in this godless town yeah a lot of people sent me that clip John I saw that clip I was gonna I was gonna clip it we know surprise no surprise but by the way they funny joke in there cuz this is

1:18:52 scripted She's the one who mentioned Mario. Mario Lopez was that was the punchline, but yeah But you heard everybody love oh yes God got zero don't my god Yeah, I noticed that too and then I thought back on it when these fires broke out why not? Don't worship idols of gold so just just some things to think of Hollywood anyway I think we've covered the fires and climate change sufficiently here. The question is will the fire still be going by Thursday? Oh, what do they have contained 11% now or something? No no at the last report it was close to 20 or around in and around 20 yeah I don't know but... And then if the wind dies they can put a stop to it pretty quickly once the wind stops but it's a mess It is a deserved mess

1:19:50 So I have some clips on TikTok and what's happening. Yeah, talk, talk, Tik Tok. I don't see any TikTok clips. What? Oh it's not Tik Tok clips is about oh about Tik ToK yes about you know the big difference between Tik Tok clips and about Tik Tok yeah and by the way now want to mention anybody out there trying to follow this i will say that John Oliver, about a month when this thing first started breaking... Last Week in Tech is about a month, this is a month old. Wait a minute! He doesn't have a show called Last Week in Tech? I mean last week and whatever it was this week or last week, whatever he's called. Okay. Last Week in Tech. He did a breakdown of this that was absolutely stunning. It was very good and its available on YouTube you can just look up TikTok Ban

1:20:46 Okay, we should look at that. You don't have to go find it on there you know get a free screw those pay stuff so let's go with the tick-tock law this is about the new law coming up and whether or not it's going to have an impact And I put going right into the middle of the discussion, not so much about the background. And we go with the law explained right off the bat that one Bobby let me start with you what does this law actually do on the 19th? The Tick Tock lawyer today kept saying that tick tock would go dark is Darn an overstatement.

1:21:35 that means it's not going to have any cloud support. That's going to be a huge problem for all of the people taking videos, commenting trying to use TikTok because basically it will cripple TikTok infrastructure. And Marsha in the arguments today what were the justices focusing on? John they were really focused on two reasons that Congress and the administration have given to justify the law as Bobby just stated it. That had to do with the fact that the Chinese government, through its very close alignment with ByteDance—the China-based owner of TikTok—may engage in covert content manipulation

1:22:14 as well as its collection of the data of private citizens, Americans—about 177 million Americans and their contacts. and use both of those to undermine national security. There was also a First Amendment argument, wasn't there? Well actually the guts of this case is whether the law itself violates the First Amendment speech rights of TikTok USA and the users of TikTok they're called creators those who put content up on TikTok They're called creators

1:22:51 Content... wait a minute, covert content manipulation. Nice term! Very nice. Yeah there's no evidence of it but this is great term Well you can't see it as the algo that is feeding our children dumb crap It's hurting our children and somehow they're stealing more of your information than And then all the rest of the people stealing information and any other app or phone or service? They're all stealing information, but somehow this is worse. Yeah well we should probably reiterate before you continue that our take here is that this is just a...and to build the original bill was sponsored by representatives who had huge investments mainly from Google

1:23:34 This is about removing a competitor. It's just there is no evidence, I like saying that of them... You're worse than me! Of stealing more data than anybody else and now is there evidence of Them giving us our children, although it's mainly adults in my opinion Giving our children horrible things to look at more so than reels More so than YouTube shorts. I don't think there is evidence of that Same to me and of course they give the Chinese kids smart videos to look at whoo So smart it was a thing brought up in the John Oliver thing that wasn't brought up in these clips now just mention it

1:24:20 He played a clip from some, it was a podcast or some interview show where they had three guys, three senators that were on the intelligence committee and they all claimed, which Oliver ridiculed to no end. They all claimed well you know we have seen things we have our intelligence we've been briefed we've been read in there's something else there's a piece of missing information that we're not getting it which is could be total bullcrap that supposedly the intel community is found out something or they had a secret memo, they got a mole that they can't name so they redacted a lot of stuff. Yes what I'm thinking. You know you know...I know what it is! Hey hey What's that in your mouth?

1:25:05 Yeah, well it's probably some of those elements. But let's go to clip two. Today during the arguments it was very interesting because there was a lot of skepticism about the first justification—the Chinese government engaging in manipulation, covert manipulation content and whether there actually was a speech interest here to look at, as some of the justices said—and I'll point in particular to Chief Justice Roberts. He said Congress didn't care about the expression on TikTok, meaning this speech or the ideas on TikTok.

1:25:43 Congress didn't want to stop TikTok, he said. What Congress wanted to do was to stop China's control of TikTok so that he was very skeptical that there was a speech right here also There were justices who did recognize there were speech rights belonging to TikTok USA and the users of TikTok But they questioned, for example Justice Elena Kagan questioned whether that those speech impediments or restrictions were really substantial because the law itself she said really was targeted at bite dance and its divestiture. Were the justices more skeptical of one side or the other? Did they tip their hand at all about what they might do? Well I think they were very tough on both sides but i think

1:26:32 I think what resounded most with the justices was that second interest that the government offered for the law, the collection of private information of American citizens. Justice Brett Kavanaugh for example he said that's a huge concern now and in the future How about this? how about the intel guys Took these representatives aside and said look at all this information they have on you. Look at all this data Look at what they did, did you know? You know like one of those emails you get you know saying you need to send me a Bitcoin Because I have video of you jerking off. You know that scam no, I don't know that I haven't gotten that scam Oh This is a well-known scam in fact it's its updates They've upped it a little bit so everyone gets the same email

1:27:25 It's important to pay attention to this message right now. Take a minute to relax, breathe and really dig into it because we're about to discuss the deal between you and me and I ain't playing games! You do not know anything about me." And he goes on and on... And to watch, you know what I mean. While you were busy watching those videos your device started functioning as a remote protocol device which provided me complete access to your smartphone. I can peep at everything on your screen flick on the cam and the mic You wouldn't have a clue Oh and i have access to all your emails contacts and social media accounts as well So in essence they say Can you imagine this node coming to me?

1:28:06 I'd have to go check the phone in the drawer and see what the hell's going on. But they've upped their game now, and it's quite good now because everyone's... Tina received this email, I got one of these a couple times but everyone I know who has a phone has received one but now They are sending the same email and it says, I know that calling and then it has your phone number or visiting It has your address will be a better way to contact you in case you don't act. So now someone is got less database That's good. It's good

1:28:47 It's good. They probably bought that database You can buy the database, you can also actually this relates to a tip of the day by the way coming up later in the show what you just said but they can also do nowadays I get your social security number and throw that in there too Oh then it'll be next so my point is there's a lot of information and you just take one of these people aside and say look at what I've got on you And you know, please don't pay attention to what Google Facebook everybody else has on. You know these guys have it That's what you do! That's how you do it And of course, the biggest problem with TikTok probably is they don't allow as much access to our intel community as these other guys do. Now that I think about it, I think it's not coincidental that Zuckerberg all of a sudden is changing the policies because he knows this is going to happen. TikTok is gonna go down. Come to reals!

1:29:45 We let you do free speech stuff. Yeah, yeah probably right. So I got one short clip in the final one. Then the short clip is the wow clip and it's got a piece as I thought this was a good when this clip three has the government pointed out that data private data could be used by China in future to blackmail Future CIA officers, it could be used to try to turn certain America's Americans into spies And so I think When you look overall at the argument, wait a minute. Does she say turn Americans into spies? Yeah earn certain America's tick-tock could turn Americans into spies It could be used to try to turn certain Americas Americans into spies and so I think

1:30:34 When you looked overall at the arguments, that was something that may persuade a majority to very much uphold this law. So let me just understand the scenario Wow! This is a cool dance these kids are doing I think i'll become a spy for China Yep. Well, actually I'm gonna skip, no we'll play clip four but before we do that I wanna back off and go to an NPR clip called the TikTok blackmail. This is the... Now what kind of blackmail? You just kinda got maybe an angle on the blackmail but listen to NPR's interpretation of how you can there's lotsa ways of getting blackmail using TikTok

1:31:19 This is what they think it is. Yeah, in court Prelogger said I mean think about if Beijing has all of this information on millions of teenagers now But you know maybe they don't want to do anything with it now but weaponize that later when some of these teens say You know take jobs with the government or maybe join the military What? So they're going to basically do what parents do their kids You take a video of the little kid when he's three crying or making a fuss then you show it at his high school reunion I mean, this is basically what the theory is that yeah you got some dipshit girl doing that stupid dance You know when she's 14 or 13 or 12 and let's save that for the next 20 years Let's save it in a vault And then we'll look her up and then when she starts to work for Health & Human Services We'll bring it up and blackmailer with it. Well

1:32:12 Wow. What are you nuts? Wow, these NPR people must be doing some really dirty stuff with their phones Or they're doing some real heavy-duty coke So let's go with this TikTok for the final clip. And Bobby, if that happens, if this law is upheld, is there any indication what TikTok and its owners would do as the 19th approaches? That's really the million dollar question. I don't know TikTok and his parent company... Since when did it become the million dollar question? It was sorry to be a kind of nitpicky about this but it was the $64000 question.

1:31:19 This is what they think it is. Yeah, in court Prelogger said I mean think about if Beijing has all of this information on millions of teenagers now But you know maybe they don't want to do anything with it now but weaponize that later when some of these teens say You know take jobs with the government or maybe join the military What? So they're going to basically do what parents do their kids You take a video of the little kid when he's three crying or making a fuss then you show it at his high school reunion I mean, this is basically what the theory is that yeah you got some dipshit girl doing that stupid dance You know when she's 14 or 13 or 12 and let's save that for the next 20 years Let's save it in a vault And then we'll look her up and then when she starts to work for Health & Human Services We'll bring it up and blackmailer with it. Well

1:32:12 Wow. What are you nuts? Wow, these NPR people must be doing some really dirty stuff with their phones Or they're doing some real heavy-duty coke So let's go with this TikTok for the final clip. And Bobby, if that happens, if this law is upheld, is there any indication what TikTok and its owners would do as the 19th approaches? That's really the million dollar question. I don't know TikTok and his parent company... Since when did it become the million dollar question? It was sorry to be a kind of nitpicky about this but it was the $64000 question.

1:32:49 Is there or has there ever been a million dollar question? Yeah, actually yes. Oh There is then more than if you like do you want to be a millionaire as well now but it's oh Then and the original $64,000 question was upgraded some years later on a show that I think failed over time And I think the final bonus. I think the final Amount was a million. Okay, I stand corrected and Bobby if that happens if this law is upheld Is there any indication what tick tock and its owners would do as the 19th approaches? That's really the million dollar question that we don't know tic-tock and his parent company by dancer in this really precarious

1:33:26 amount of uncertainty right now. If the law is upheld, President-elect Donald Trump will not yet be in office and between January 19th the start date and when Trump is sworn in the 20th there's going to be 24 hours of limbo. And I have sources inside of Google and inside of Apple who say look we've heard from our general counsel that were not about out of compliance with a federal law on the books. So they are planning, the two big tech companies to remove TikTok on the 19th and I think a big question is even if if the law is upheld will Trump then can he rather extend the deadline?

1:34:08 How do you, this came up in the court today. Right? How do you extend the deadline on a ban that has already started so lots of unknowns but it could get really serious really fast for TikTok. And actually at the end of last year, the president elect filed a brief in the court asking them to delay this so that he could have time to try and negotiate a deal as he put it. Is there chance if the law is upheld he just might not enforce it That's a possibility. Trump, remember was the person who started the TikTok ban movement during his first term but now coming into office he wants to be TikTok savior and it is within the realm of possibility that he instructs his Justice Department not enforce this law if you look at the language of the law Congress passed

1:34:54 puts a lot of leeway in the hands of the president. The president will be the one who will be interpreting and instructing his administration to enforce the law, so a lot will come down to what is Trump going to do once he's in office regardless of what the high court decides? Hmm... that's interesting. What do you think? I really am clueless about what's gonna happen. They could put the ban on it, they could say...I think they may punt and say well you know we're supposed to come up with this, we're going to push it off a couple days just enough to get Trump in and let Trump come in and make a fuss one way or another. I don't think they are going to get their decision out in time. I think they are gonna push it. The've done this before

1:35:44 Well, you know we almost have a decision. We gotta think about another week Do you hear those hoof beats? I hear...I hear A knight in shining armor On a white horse Oh yes! It's Mr Wonderful The reports are your buying TikTok So what's the deal? The reports are you're buying TikTok. Is that happening, are you getting close? What is the status here of you and TikTok? Well if it is going to be sold I'm gonna be buying it and I'll tell ya what we're waiting for at 4 o clock on Friday this Friday Supreme Court hearing is going to occur I've teamed up with Frank McCourt. The two of us were bidding against each other for a long time, but it made sense to get together for whole host of reasons and we put an announcement on Monday for one specific reason the company has appealed to the Supreme Court they've lost every case right up the Supreme Court so here We are what they're telling the Supreme Court is hey look? We know where spyware, but you operate in a society free speech so even for spying on you I don't think they said that through you

1:36:45 and no one's gonna buy us. because we're not gonna sell the algorithm. So we decided to let the justices know by putting out a press release saying, We have a letter of intent, we've got a syndicate, we have the $20 billion that we need and we don't want the algorithm. It's spyware it's Chinese spyware you keep the algorithm keeps buying everybody else in your own people that's fine but we don't want that and that's why you're getting shut down in the first place so we're going to rewrite it Americanize it and make TikTok wonderful again That guy is such a phony Jamoak. O'Leary? I mean, I heard him the other day he's buying $20 billion worth of land that has coal in it so we can build data centers for AI The guy is fantastic He just makes stuff up on the spot Well he's really good television He's great television! I have thoughts about this because and...I was surprised at my own thinking

1:37:47 Whoa! I should have thought, wow. Aghast he is What the United States is good at what we have always been good at Is media We're great at television were great and movies Were great in music We dominate the world Podcasting Well, podcast...I have separate thoughts about podcasting But just mainstream dribble and drab, we are fantastic at it. We don't need less we need more!

1:38:30 investment fund to create more short-form video companies. We need more influencers, not less! More TikToks we need many more Kardashians and Paris Hiltons. We need a lot more Taylor Swift and Beyonce these people are in fact good for our GDP making global sales... I have a whole series of clips on short form video they're making global sales out of nothing but creativity. We export this to the entire world! We need to be that, we need to dominate in this. We do! Yes more more more exported all I need 10 Taylor Swift's more of this stuff now of course to offset that we need local podcasts obviously i mean that's what I'm doing but this is so obvious to me

1:39:22 You know, and have them hawk American products. Get them in bikinis on our cars! Drinking our beer! This is what we excel at This is very short-sighted to shut down these things. We need more, who cares about the kids dan... You know what some of these dancers have millions of followers they're great! It's great export dancing! Exactly why no one knows Export the dancers sell stuff with it America should be... The dancing dipshits that's what I call them America should be short form first make short form American again

1:40:01 And more bubblegum pop like Taylor Swift. Oh, I saw JLo on Saturday Night Live! More of that? More hips?! This is what we do... you know... okay. We had the speaking of hips we had was that the one girl from South America What was her name? My hips don't lie. Shakira! One, we got one from... what other superstars do we have? ABBA they're almost dead there's nothing else coming from anywhere in the world We are it. We need to be exploiting this through the internet with many more short-form video influencers and bubblegum crap reverse the flow

1:40:42 We're gonna have to because if you listen to these clips, the short form clips that we have time for before the break. Yeah sure I'm excited! You are all in on me? It's China China that's really kicking ass in short form video. I don't and by the way when I play these clips, I kept thinking about Ron bloom Bloom should be in charge of this fund Ron bloom should be running the tick tocks these short-form video company fund we need to subsidize this stuff It was like you know there was just at me Rio

1:41:18 You come to you founded with bloom There was this push toward the short form video stuff which never took off. It's his birthday today, by the way No guarantee he was not listening to the show and Well, let's play clip one and then I will talk about some of this stuff. These days most of the video entertainment we watch isn't at the movies on television or even on a computer it's on a smartphone to cater to these changing habits companies many of them Chinese are turning out bite-sized soap operas for phone viewing The company literally was called Bite Size TV that was what MeVeo became amazing he was far ahead of his time

1:42:06 I'm beginning to think so. And you know who else was ahead of their time? Who was it, remember the... Was it Geffen and what was that stupid company where they were doing little shorts and series there were all- Actually have it right here for a second On the tip of your tongue What was it called with that with the woman who ran HP into the ground what's her name Yeah, I know. This is a play clip too and i'll have it here again Allie Rogan you may have seen the ads on TikTok or Facebook The plots often involve billionaires werewolves or sordid affairs and the dramas unfold in one to two minute increments In the palm of your hand

1:42:50 in the palm of your hand. Shown up everywhere I go again and the business deals with me? With one cliffhanger after another to entice viewers to continue. If I don't know any better, I'd say you're still in love with me. And in the first quarter of 2024 apps like Real Short and Drama Box raked in $146 million dollars in global revenue outside of China, an 8000% increase over 2023. EJ Dixon is a senior writer at New York Magazine covering culture. EJ thank you so much for joining us. Walk us through what these micro dramas are and what is the appeal? So they're called vertical shorts or vertical series and they're essentially feature length films that are broken down into minute long chunks like the size of your average TikTok video. And the idea is that the viewer will just scroll through them like we do with a TikTok feed, and watch the whole thing in one sitting. They're not intended for consumption on a laptop or on a traditional

1:43:49 big-screen TV. It's almost exclusively for mobile consumption. Okay, the good news is The Troll Room gave me the company name Queeby. The bad news? The troll who gave it to me has a nickname Rape Dwarf so... Actually I sent Brunetti these clips that get his feedback because of Hollywood clips and he said remember Jeff it's Jeffrey Katzenberg's Queeby. You know what no! What is 159 million dollars? That's nothing. Drop in the bucket! You've got to look at it when it gets to the Chinese numbers, that's what's frightening. Anyway he says Katzenberg's quibbler was supposed to do this clearly didn't work but the idea will sustain as evidenced by the shorts referenced here. It's inevitable phones have reduced everyone's attention span Okay so this does strengthen my argument right

1:44:39 Yeah, actually there's no contradiction here. Tell us about how popular this is in China and outside of China we know that in China it's a 4.4 billion dollar industry. 4.4 billion! But how much has the industry grown since it took off there? They're incredibly popular in China they sort of took off around the pandemic And the industry has grown exponentially since then. The biggest market is not in the United States, it's in countries where people are more likely to consume entertainment on their mobile phones like India and the Philippines they have big market share there but they're also popular in the United States I spoke to the CEO of

1:45:18 of one of these companies, RealShort which is kind of like the leading app in this space. And they're based in Silicon Valley and he said that they're pulling in about $10 million dollars in revenue per month which is pretty staggering." No! I don't mean to overgeneralize here but the content is not exactly... it doesn't feel Oscar worthy? Is that a trademark of this genre And is that something that if it becomes more mainstream would have to change? I would say not Oscar worthy is a good way of putting it.

1:45:56 It's some of the most abysmal content I've ever seen in my life, to be perfectly frank. And when you talk to the actors and producers and even like the CEO of Real Short about this they see that as an asset They don't see the low quality as being detrimental to the success of the platform because they don't really...they don't see it as an art form John call up John Doerr at Kleiner Perkins tell him we're coming in We have a deck We've got a pitch. We've got to pitch for him, we've gotta pitch that he just doesn't want to lose out on this one before you go to Calacanis because we will! I have to read what Brunetti says in terms of his quality problem

1:46:41 He says, as for production quality people have become much more forgiving expecting to focus on the content of information rather than the production value due to things like YouTube and podcasts. No agenda! It's a case in point! Lower production value is a draw! What are you talking about Brunetti? Quality they expect... Wow this is if there's one thing people say about our show it's the quality of production we play 90 clips in a show Yeah, well no I think it was referring to... Tight. And we're tight! Yeah we are yeah All right, clip four. Maybe it's offhanded but let's go with that. That was peculiar He is a jealous Hollywood douche is what he is. That's what he's doing. No, he tried doing podcasting too you know? I know! Exactly did he consult me? No... How'd it work out? You know this is the thing I said it before you're easy to get ahold of yeah and by the way with the tip of the day will be easier to get a hold of

1:47:45 It's a tip of the day. You know this tip of the day coming up is something that I'm very reluctant to give as A tip because it's just so good okay, so we're on clip 4 yes Yeah We can skip this This is just bitching and moaning about production quality all right? We already just did that all right click 5 so let's go to payment clip 5 how do you make money Bitcoin by the way this what bait wait this is outrageous if true bitcoin its bitcoin No. Oh. What's the payment model? How do people pay to get this content? Typically what happens is somebody will download the app

1:48:22 And they advertise heavily on TikTok and Instagram. And you'll swipe through about 15 minutes worth of content or like one minute videos, and then they'll say if you want five more chapters or if you want to watch five more minutes, you have to pay a premium amount of money like it's the freemium model $5 so in order To finish one of these series, the user typically has to pay between $25-$40. Do you anticipate that this is going to continue to grow? Is this what audiences are looking for these days? It's a great question! I got a lot of mixed answers on that. There are people even within the vertical shorts industry themselves who think it is just a fetish.

1:49:07 to fat. This is a niche thing, this is never going to get traction in mainstream Hollywood." Mainstream Hollywood thinks of this as a joke but I've also heard rumors that pretty big platforms are interested in getting into this genre. I think that what we've learned over the past five years with the streaming wars and with the strikes and you know all the obstacles that Hollywood has had to overcome is that Hollywood underestimates this type of digital content, this type of innovative digital content at its own peril. Well... So I think she might be somewhat wrong because Brunetti had a positive view of this thing and the other thing is you've already done this with your detective stories remember that? You were like a detective on some podcast it was like shot

1:50:00 George or something and you came in as one of the stars at the detective show. What are you talking about? Don't you remember this series, you did some acting A Swamp Thing No no it was later with some other thing that there was I was on MeVio Oh i remember it And you came in you wore a trench coat Wait wait wait That was written by Mark Yashimona Nemkov Yeah? Yes, I'm kind of remembering this. And you were an actor and it was a terrible product... Yes! Just like this?! It wasn't bad product!

1:50:36 just like this. I'm looking at my IMDB. And it could have been divvied up into a bunch of little segments and you could have made, this was the millions of dollar deal here! No But you've already done this is the point You've already done... This is how unbelievable this is. You've already done it and forgot you did it! And as usual with things I do early on made no money from it It's amazing Exactly, it's a triple threat My track record is intact! No No. Sure, this is what... and a lot of money will be spent on this This is why I joked about calling Kleiner Perkins What people want

1:51:15 They want the dancing. They want the makeup in the morning. Get ready with me! By the way, how many women are on these shows talking about one thing or another? Or just talking about makeup and putting makeup on during the TikTok video? I know a little bit about that. Slashing themselves with makeup and doing it to eyeliner... Yes! Selling moving product baby! Moving products. I know a little bit about the cosmetic industry, it's a great business It's just goop in a different tube everyone gets the eyeliner pencils all from the guys in Germany one company does all the eyeliner pencils its goop and and just goop Gooping a tube

1:51:58 This is great. We want to see the cooking videos, how do I make a carnivore pizza? This is what we want and we are the rulers of that! And of course Brunetti would like this he's a Hollywood guy He's going to lose his shirt if he gets into this business stay away from it Dana Stay away You want to have the influencers, you want to have the nut jobs who are cheap and then you heat them up with your algo. Oh look at this guy's got a million followers! Boom! You get two million followers keep it going export That's the business, not this vertical shorts. No no no no no! It's limited versus the hundreds of billions that American make exporting our dancers our cookers our makeup ladies Our guys with guns... Guys with guns? Oh my god This is such a great

1:52:52 Great category. So I have to, I don't want to burst your bubble. Chicks in bikinis with guns! Even better! Yeah well that's always a winner there's a winner by the way so i have...I usually run off of a VPN. So when I hit TikTok online it usually is TikTok in Argentina And so they start throwing these videos at me because I'm always looking for somebody complaining about the elections or some... usually a black woman bitching about how Kamala's gonna still be president. But they don't have those in Argentina, but they have the dancing girls? Mm-hmm! and they got the guys falling down, they got their cooking, everything is exactly the same Yes

1:53:39 Yes, and that should be us. In Spanish! I know we can export... We got Spaniards? We got Spanish chicks?! I've got a Spaniard over here right now, hey buddy! It's in your... We are melting pot of cultures anyway That if i ever get to speak to President Trump this is what I will tell him. We need more influencers Mr Wonderful buy it I'm all for it let's go And with that I want to thank you for your courage saying in the morning to you, the man who put the C's in covert content manipulation. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr John Cena! Yeah, hey good morning to you Mr Adam Carell saying good morning to ships and sea boats and the raffia and the air subs and the water and the Davidsonites out there Hello trolls in the morning to ya'll let me count you for a second What do you think it is today?

1:54:35 What do you think we have? It's Sunday, it should be 2500. Yeah it's right below that 2432 with the peak. Well we're also late so a little late but average average what is not average is the support we got today Below average it was terrible We're lucky to be alive! We have to start doing makeup tips Just to stay afloat. Video, yeah I can see it. Poke your eye out and end up... Oh my eye! How did these? I don't even know how women could draw this after I guess that you get used to it after doing it for hundreds of years. You know Donnie Wahlberg he's married to Jenny McCarthy

1:55:21 And they have a whole spiel, man. She goes live for hours selling her own makeup line He's sitting there next to her going yeah that looks good babe I mean... It looks good babe Really? You have to watch this! and it's almost like QVC the stream runs continuously like she never sleeps And she's like, hey guys look at this and of course she is beautiful. And she just keeps on putting the stuff on and then look at this product you can buy it now go to my website This is the future What do you think? We're going to manufacture stuff Come on I just don't see it. You know, it will make some things beer? Beer guns cars Yeah But we also can make jet fighters jet fight burgers big beautiful fighters and burgers are us Yes And there's no idea that you know, I check out these fast-food places every I've got a burger I got to something you gotta burn a burger update. Oh yes the

1:56:26 Bacon melt on sale at Jack in the Box is quite edible. Now, does that come with bread or is it just bacon cheese burger and melt? No, it's got two pieces of...it looks like upside down buns so the outside looks like there's a piece of bread but it's two patties with two things of gooey cheese and some bacon and something else. What more could you ask for?! It's five bucks. What made you purchase this product? I'm surprised that every time they have burger wars, you know and all these chains I always say yeah, this is interesting Burger Wars I go check one of them out ever so often for the benefit of the show cuz I You know, I used to do the McDonald's you can't do that anymore make no because it's so unedible makes you sick or inedible

1:57:16 that I don't even try at McDonald's anymore. They're just like eating paper. It's nasty, I'm with you it's nasty and the fries are soggy? Oh no! It's gone off the rails and i don't understand why people go there at all The trolls are in The Troll Room and of course have been quite helpful today Good work trolls we appreciate you they tune in every single Thursday and Sunday We do this show live Which is it's it is the way if you're thinking of doing a podcast do it live Just do it live because you have a built-in studio audience. I mean, it's amazing It is truly the way to go and so they're listening at troll room dot IO They listen live they can hop into the troll room If they want to you can also use one of the modern podcast apps don't use anything phony like from China or Cupertino

1:58:12 or Sweden, get something made in America. You know? Like the guys from Fountain there in the UK. Get a modern podcast app at PodcastApps.com because you'll get a bat signal when we go live and when we publish 90 seconds later it's like whoa! They're published already. It's good to go We appreciate that. to usually about a half an hour to get the show wrapped up. Yeah, but half and hour to 45 minutes? Yes sometimes So the trolls contribute We appreciate that time talent and treasure actually To help us out today to explain the value for value model although not entirely correct I love the fact that we started this 17 years ago

1:59:11 We have been using the phrase value for value in the last couple years that has started to catch on. People are using it without even knowing the origin, but there's another podcast out there that is using value for value and they credit us How about that's nice. Please welcome J Cal Jason Kalacanis and we had this concept of anybody could be a producer of This Week in Startups, and I had cribbed that from Adam Curry who was doing that on his No Agenda podcast at the time And uh, I want to panning that because We had so much advertising. I didn't need the money and I thought let's just go with ads But the one thing then I think Adam Curry

1:59:52 And John C. Dvorak, ah, John Dvorak, nah... What they got right was they have such an engaged audience I forgot about No Agenda for a couple years and then I started listening to it again And it's actually quite good. And what I love about what John Dvorak, who I grew up on... He used to write for PC Magazine which was a print magazine about PCs and I always idolized John Dvorak Jim Seymour all the guys who wrote these columns because i was obsessed with PCs in the 80s and my dream was To someday be a columnist in PC Magazine and of course Adam Curry was Hey! It's Adam Curry! You're watching The VJ! That's pretty cool gig too so I love both of those guys They're probably a decade or two ahead of me in careers, and I just thought they were great broadcasters and writers.

2:00:35 Putting all that aside, it's such an activated audience and they do something called value for value. So you can provide value to them by writing show notes or suggesting stories or making album art and then... Or you can make a donation then they shout you out on the air I'm not planning on doing that but what i think is really interesting is that okay there's your mistake no credit for you we're not doing any of that credit I love J.Cowell. Now, he did a thing recently where he went after Zuckerberg on his show with all the VCs up there... I forget the name of this show called. Yeah, that's... Shot Out or...? The VC Show. Choke Point? Chokepoint Show?! I don't know what the name is. That was the title of that episode now it's called All In Podcast. Which is good! It's entertaining if you want to listen to financial guys

2:01:32 go on and on about how they're gonna make money. But he goes off on Zuckerberg, I thought it was over the top but very entertaining! That's what he does! J. Cal does that He has always been entertaining So we want to give credit... Even though he talks like this We want to give credit to Darren O'Neill for his outstanding album art for episode 1729 which we titled Hatchet Man which Elon Musk is Trump's hatchet man, and he did a stroopwafel or as some would say stroopwafel. Which had the no agenda bakery, no curry dvorak it had a windmill on there it was in cellophane packaging we suspected probably wasn't even AI generated and what we said is if Tante Niel had done this we would have not even wavered and chosen it right away

2:02:29 And turns out, Tantaniel... there was a little conversation going on over in the Mastodons. She said I would have done this exactly myself but I was on an airplane and couldn't do it in time How about that for coincidence? Wow, yeah Darren is Channeling Tantaniel. He is a Dutch master now a Dutch master I don't know if everybody got this but it entertained us we thought it was cool Let me see what else? I just thought it was it was a well-structured Yes

2:03:06 composition-wise and it looks so realistic looking. It looks like we do own a bakery! In fact, exit strategy no agenda bakery buy your stroopwafels here yeah Other art. I got a note from someone, because i bitched about this stupid idea of letting the thing soften and get gooey And he says you're wrong Dvorak and he shows me a picture of some company's Stroopwafel that actually has instructions on the back On how to do it! How to put the thing over there was steaming hot cup of coffee

2:03:45 Silliest thing ever. No, it's the Dutch way. It's the Dutch way Well my dad used to dunk donuts Yeah So all the other art was mediocre at best a lot of lighter fluids You know okay Fire extinguishers, there was some fish. I did use comic strip bloggers Hollywood sign on fire for the newsletter Yeah that was decent and we talked about correct-a records Canada flag with a maple leaf saying I have a complaint but it was so simplistic compared to the intricacies of the stroopwafel That it just barely lost out just barely

2:04:31 It's a good idea though. Yes, on that note as I take notes Everybody has to understand John does nothing He just tells me to remember everything to do everything To write everything down make it no put this in the show now John just shows you make me sound like a slouch John just shows up And it was my job to remind you the leaderboard recap of 2024 of The Art Generator and The Artists. I was just about to bring that up. Oh, sure you were! Yeah it turns out that last year's winner in so far as

2:05:20 the annual count was concerned, it was Francisco Scaramanga. I think he won 15 times 16 as of recently beating Kenny Benn by four and Darren by five. Darren is really up there. Tantaniel got eight and Sir Shug has a six correct to record six but so he gets the MFA Master of Fine Arts yeah fantastic So, Scaramanga go to noagenderrings.com I guess? Or send a note at noagendershow.net and tell Jay what your name should be on the MFA and we'll send one out to you. Congratulations! Yeah, I was stunned by that. No it's fantastic. It's good

2:06:14 I mean the guy hates the show. It's amazing and we're just showering love on him poor We you know some people they just soak it up, and they give you the finger You know it's just a way it is with something you give your enemy to drink into eat It's like pouring hot coals on his head. It will come back to him eventually then we'll see A reminder right after today's show, and we have plenty of shows still to come. Satellite Skirmish will be on live which is this huge musical cacophony of crazies on the stream I think they have video too so that'll be right after No Agenda today i definitely wanted to mention that because that is no agenda nation at its finest That's the kind of stuff that needs to be on TikTok to be quite honest

2:07:01 But they won't do it because they don't believe in that stuff. So, that'll be there for you! Other ways you can contribute of course is through sending your treasure... We love that not a lot today but we're hoping this minor complaint will spur people by saying You know I get a lot of value from those guys I found today's episode valuable and now that i think about it, I listen to six hours a week of these guys. I should probably return some value We unlike Jason J Cal we thank everybody $50 and above, and we give you the amounts. And we tell you where they live well not their full address of course but their general area and Just like Hollywood because this is the Hollywood portion of the show The new Hollywood is value for value We'd like to give away credits and these credits do work in the old-fashioned Hollywood whatever left of it like IMDB calm

2:07:57 $200, you are an associate executive producer. You get that credit it's good for the rest of your life you know it's documented It's in the show notes you get the credits again you can use it anywhere Credits are recognized put on your CV, your resume put any year social media profiles whatever you want and we'll read your note three hundred dollars and above you become an executive producer which is one step higher according to us And with that, you get that credit for the rest of your life and we also read your notes. So I will kick it off here with Eric Reinhard right down the road in San Antonio Texas who sends us $343.75 and says this is it thank you for all the value you two provide stay alert no agendization and he wants some relationship karma which oops which of course

2:08:51 Provide for it. You've got karma Thank you very much Eric and then we go from him to Oops, hold on I just move my spreadsheet out of oh back back back back back To sir Tyler in Alaska. Ah sir Tyler Tyler systems Yeah And he came with three four five seven also the same amount which I believe is 333 probably 333 plus extra money And he writes, he's the AI guy that didn't get his note in last show but here it is. Good

2:09:29 Tyler Systems is an anchorage. LLC continues to outsource problems and insource solutions by supporting the best media deconstruction the planet McLuhan teaches us, you brought him up yep the medium is the message And what is AI but another medium? You snooze you lose producers keep engaging with me and more importantly with the technology and you will find yourself understanding it better than most It's very doable. My boots on the ground experience also informed by formal academic research shows that the best managers are actually the most effective users of chatbots

2:10:05 This is specific to chatbots, but a talented middle manager of Rare Gem is a better GPT user out-of-the box than a skilled programmer who sucks at communicating much less rare. I watch productive public sector managers automate their jobs with ChatGPT in a few hours... He's creating a monster here! Yeah. ...in a few hours and also watch incredibly talented programmers refuse to even touch it Because they just fancy autocomplete. They say it's just fancy autocomplete, that would be you Adam Yes Who is... he didn't write that I did who is better positioned for our future? Your motivated millennial Sir Tyler in Alaska Slow to respond but standing by at Tyler at tylersystems.com there you go He responds all inquiries in time Thank You sir Tyler let us know how the business is going

2:11:03 Sir Scott of Diablo is in Clayton, California 333 dot 33 and you sent the fees we appreciate that Happy New Year gents from sir. Scott of Diablo was overdue on patronage No agenda remains my number one podcast and regular priority to get your respective takes on the latest hootenannies in this world Wishing you well from Clayton, California See this is what it is he recognizes the value he receives He returned it appreciated Thank You brother Clayton. Shout out to Clayton! Sir Kevin, which is a nice little town in eastern Contra Costa County... Sir Kevin deals in Huntersville North Carolina 333-33 on the last show he writes during the donation segment you discuss backup solutions I usually visit my parents once a week and my dad by the way this is yes sir Kevin

2:12:02 And my dad, photographer and I am a mature photographer and computer geek have a long-standing agreement to exchange external hard drives whenever we need to. Each of us has one hard drive at home in another the other's house. The initial expense of another external hard drive is a bit of a hurdle note not in today's world you get 18 terabyte drive for next to nothing nowadays...18! But if things go sideways, one of us can always restore the other's files. Every show we talk about how connection is protection it's a very simple way for producers to protect themselves without relying on the cloud. Buy a couple of external hard drives and don't buy them at the same time. Yes It's a Dvorak tip Find another pretty good because they'll be in the same batch and if one goes they both go That's right

2:12:53 Find another producer at your local meetup and swap hard drives whenever you get together. Thank you for your courage, Kevin Dills. A backup and a back up to that backup and a back-up to the backup to the backup... He didn't ask for that but I couldn't resist Anonymous comes in with 333 33 and sends in a typewritten note says ITM Adam & John my wife and I were listening to show 1578 whoa! That's uh We haven't gotten there yet, have we? Oh yeah. That's an old show. 1578. When we heard you read the note from Pete the podcast shoplifter at which point my wife started calling me a shoplifter douchebag! But I wasn't moved until show 1691 when John mentioned that Mimi said The Exit Strategy talk was having a dampening effect on donations

2:13:41 That convinced me that you boys won't be esconding to Brazil. With this donation, 333.33, please admit me to your truth cabal! Please play Yak Karma for your excellent producers as their COVID reports were invaluable Also please play Fletcher's Leo Yell... Really? Play Fletcher's Leo Yell as Twit is where I first heard of the best podcast in the universe Thank you for your courage anonymous dude named Ben. Leo! You've got karma. It's been a while... There we go, Dame Astrid and Sir Mark. Ah, there they are. There they are in Tokyo. Dear John and Adam or dear John dear Adam you're fabulous

2:14:31 And life is marvelous listening to No Agenda. Wish we were here in Tokyo for our no cheesecake, uh, shinneka shinneka? Shinnenekai. Shinneneka. Shinneneke. Shinneneke. Hi! Shinnenekai! Uh aka New Year meetup on January 25th Saturday. If you're in Tokyo, you need to go their meetups those guys know how to do meetups and they are great people we love them they've been around for a long time there no slouches people There are no slouches and they have superior taste They do So everything is tasteful and unusual And they can probably get ya out of jail

2:15:17 Much love to you both she writes and then she signs off a day mastered plus sir mark very nice Sir face tension don't know where he's from but he says happy second Thursday of the week This donation is a shout out to the South Central Florida meetup crew formally organized by the Reiki princess Yes, something happened. Something has happened with the South Central Florida meetups The group is blown up, imploded. I think it was after the axe throwing? Is this the axe throwing group? Yes! So... Sir Face Tension wants to thank the Reiki Princess for her courage in organizing and producing so many great meetups and memories and wish her much love luck and karma. Gosh, I really...Reiki Princess would you just email me? Somebody send him a note. I just want to know what's going on if you're okay

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2:16:48 morning service. Tell her to no agenda, I'm gonna get some Adam Curry, and I'll get a little John Sugar-Rohrer! Lord help us all! Donate! Donate! To me baby! I have a feeling that the Florida cell got captured. This is some very bad developments, they were one of the... They did great promos and everything yeah Yeah, it'll be explained. It happens and we wrap it up with Linda Lou Packin our buddy in Lakewood Colorado of $200 and she wants some jobs Carmen says for a resume that gets results visit image makers Inc dot-com That's image makers ink with a K your go to for all your executive resume job search needs And work with Linda Lou Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes jobs jobs jobs and jobs

2:17:52 You guys are mine. And remember, you can always go to noagendadonations.com that's noagendedonations.com so that... Did you fix Dvorak.org slash an A like you said you would? I'm working on it! Noagenderdonations.com You can set up a recurring donation those are very important particularly on slower days like this any amount any frequency it's all up to you and once again thank you to our executive and associate executive producers for this episode Our formula is this we go out

2:18:35 We hit people in the mouth I've got a little ask Adam here. Oh, I wasn't expecting that almost second me And I don't play it is because there's a court dates answered into it's just at one clip no Okay, so you have the answer or do I'm not playing the clip no they did the clip has the answer How can that be and I'm gonna ask the question? I am going to ask Adam. Okay go So mr.. Producer so What if you had a Stradivarius violin yes

2:19:34 Which would be nice to own. Yeah, I wouldn't be doing this show What do you think it's worth? A Stradivarius violin? Yeah, a Stradivarius Wow. Now I haven't heard the word Stradivarius for many, many years and I think back in the day they were probably going for about $12 million between 8 and 12 million. I would say taking money printing into effect the debasing of the US dollar...I'm gonna say 47 million dollars Oh, I wouldn't mind owning one of those. Here we go! And a violin made by Italian craftsman Antonio Stradivari is estimated to fetch a record price of up to 18 million dollars when it goes to auction next month The Joachim Ma Stradivarius was crafted in 1714 during what's considered the violin makers golden period Its name comes from two of its prior owners Joseph Joachim and Sihon Ma both accomplished violinists

2:20:33 Ma gifted the violin to the New England Conservatory in Boston where he had studied. Proceeds of the sale will go towards student scholarship. Okay, now this is not a fair Ask Adam because that is what it's expected to fetch I want you to track this auction and let's see what it actually goes for No check it out Sure! I will I have a feeling its gonna go closer than that number that I said Well I think it's interesting that guy had the violin and just gives it away Yeah, well Yo-Yo Ma's loaded. He left a cello in the cab! Like eh whatever... Remember that? Remember he left the cello in the cab?! How do you leave a cello in a cab!? I betcha we still have that clip. You have to be drunk. Cello.. let me see... cello Wow We've lost a lot of good clips. Yo-yo ma... What do you mean we LOST good clips? Yeah, we lost some uh In the big Drop.io fiasco What was the Drop.io fiasco? Gosh, you don't remember anything

2:21:32 I remember a lot, but i don't remember the drop.io fiasco This is what set me on a rampage of never trusting Silicon Valley or cloud or anything like that We were using a system called Drop.IO and it was kind of cool because you had a web page And you could just type in there and post stuff and then you could drag-and-drop Any file? And would put it right there It was almost like You know, it was like a whizzy-wheezy. You didn't keep backups? To the backup of the backup of the backup... No I was young and inexperienced and I trusted them! Oh that was your first mistake And I trusted them Well I still have all my original clips so you just lost your clips oh okay well you should send me YOUR original clips because i don't i do not have anything let me see i have back to what's the first show that we have stuff from

2:22:25 You're gonna cry when you hear it 2014. What was show number? Show number hold on show number 5 7 5 79 Oh, that's not too bad. Now luckily we have bingit.io We have all of the actual shows and through thank you Sir Deanonymous Through bingit.io we can find everything and we can at least clip those if we want to And this is in fact exactly what Sir Comfrence did

2:23:08 And he was... it's kind of sad. We remember everything, our memories are so great right? On episode 371 which was January 5th 2012 we actually discussed as he can recall and he got me the clip for the first time a phenomenon which we have just been discussing as if it is something new How many times does this happen to us? Lots. J-jingles are a big part of it. Santorum, uh... I caught the bunch—I got two things where he's doing double speak and i want you to listen to him then try tell me exactly what he said because you won't be able to but in the but earlier I was on Meet The Press Earlier I found out that I caught this very weird style

2:23:59 chatter that incorporates. I've never seen this before and i've tried to do it myself and I can't do it. Do you know what this is about? No By the way, you sound so energetic as a young John C. DeVore. Well I also have... it sounds like I've got something wrong with me You're in a bucket There's something wrong with me Oh this is something that you just recognized? Alright Why? Because they dropped the word why into the sentence. Yeah, well it's very much like in Silicon Valley people say... So you basically stole my bit! I guess, I guess you didn't reclaim it let's just listen to a little more. Well if I didn't reclaim it then it's not stolen right open source which is basically making you affirm what he just said exactly so look

2:24:57 That's another one. Why? Look, why? So they'll say and it always makes the assumption... This was Rick Santorum so this is 2012 was he running as a Republican candidate at the time 2012 election I think so right probably I mean he was a douchebag remember we had santorum.com Yeah, yeah. Which turned out to be something really rude? I always find it offensive when i hear the word why asked like that because its making an assumption that im actually asking a question

2:25:40 Your lead-ins were way longer back then. In such a way that it doesn't even question. It's just the word I think you thought I was really dumb so you'd be like over it up You're overexplaining it to me like you made me say that you are really dumb stupid VJ he won't understand Yeah, I think so And I would challenge you without writing something down to actually do what heat which are about to hear? You'll hear the word why twice

2:26:22 It's just in the flow and I found it extremely fascinating. The question is are those values ones that you can trust when they become president of the United States? Is it someone who you know, is going to fight not just for certain things but for the entire Republican platform at Planck why because those things integrate together. All right anyway so We have identified things over and over again. I think we're at the end of our runway here on this show when we don't even remember that we've done these things. It was almost 10 years ago! Slightly disturbing to me, just slightly disturbing

2:27:02 I'm like, wow. Well... Four more years! ...I think that this has gone on from the get-go and it's a little different for—and if we compare to when Rush Limbaugh was at his peak he would do the same thing on one show where he'd introduce a concept in hour one and then he'd introduce it again in hour two the same thing as though was new, and then introduce it again in our three is always new. We at least stretch it out with did they audience probably completely turned over? True no one remembers this but Sir circumcises circumference He's the only one that remembers

2:27:41 It must have had an impact on him. Well, what he sent me an email said I knew i'd heard this! I knew it is...I went to bingit.io and I found that he was so happy. He was SO happy. I understand. It does make you happy All right, let's switch just a little bit. Some interesting news from Germany as we know Elon Musk is the hatchet man for Trump he's breaking every...he's going like a bull in the China shop running through the EU He wrote an op-ed about about the AfD alternative for Deutschland The far right! Far Right! Far Right Party They're probably Nazis far right? Far right and there's news from the far right

2:28:21 The far-right Alternative for Germany, or AFD continues its party convention today after confirming Alice Weidel as its first ever candidate for chancellor in next month's elections. Matthew what does the fact that they've now named a chancellor candidate mean? This is a very significant milestone for the far right party in Germany by naming a candidate for Chancellor they're basically saying they believe in themselves just to say of self confidence And they've named someone, Alice Fido who is quite an interesting character Claire. This is a person who worked for Goldman Sachs in an interview with Elon Musk recently she described herself as a libertarian conservative which didn't go down well with everyone in the party She also lives with a Sri Lankan woman her partner's a Sri Lankan woman or rather a women with Sri Lankan roots and they have two children together so not exactly the picture

2:29:15 that you would maybe expect from a far right party. I mean, far-right! Far-right! What? They have like a lesbian far right?! The picture that you would maybe expect from a far right party and despite the fact that they've nominated Alice Feidel as their leader there's an acknowledgement here in this room that they're not going to be anywhere near power because of a firewall. That's because... Here is the problem. ...the older parties in Germany have described basically said that AFD, the far right are too extreme and anti democratic. They won't work with them However, they see signs of that basically that firewall chipping away in Austria. Recent political events there that's happened and the far right are now in power there and so that gives them hope and their main hope here on the AFD is not necessarily off the elections next month but off the elections in five years time in 2029 Far-right!

2:30:02 That guy needs to lay off the coffee. This is the problem in Europe, they all have a parliamentary system then this is the same thing that happened in the Netherlands with Geert Wilders and France and they just all say no we're just all gonna work together hey you green people, animal lovers whatever, nut job party piercing party You all join with us. We're going to stop the party. Oh yeah, they exist so we can stop them. We gotta just stop them and so nothing, nothing that people want ever gets done is bad as bad. Yeah well there didn't take it in the shorts and the vertical shorts unlike many of these so-called podcasts on YouTube and I just want to set something straight here

2:30:49 Just because a couple of people with headphones and microphones are talking on YouTube does not a podcast make us In fact, I would go so far as to say a podcast is just audio. It's just got to be audio it's gotta be you got to get in the app You know, you got a RSS feed. So you have complete control... What would you call a YouTube podcast? A YouTube video! A YouTube...? A YouTube video. They're YouTubers. They're YouTubers. Now- Yeah I would call them YouTubers. Now Rogan his podcast is on all the apps and he happens to upload it to YouTube that's fine It's mostly clips on YouTube isn't it? Nah I think he also has the full episodes

2:31:33 Well it wasn't when Spotify was dominating. No, then they only had clips right? But all these algo chasers that's what they are their algo chasers. Algo chasers! You're coming up with phrase after phrase today Thank you They are their algo chasers and they have no life because you know they don't build an audience...no they don't build an audience What they have to do is chase the algo and keep it. Yeah, they get big numbers but you're right, the algo's giving them the audience In fact what happens is people are looking at all of the videos, all the algo chasers then they come to us

2:32:11 Okay, what are the boys actually think of this because we're here. We're here just like a steady stream you subscribe to us We did we do the same thing over and over again? We're not running around no, but there's no audience capture There's no advertising To screw us over make us do other things if we don't have to run around and do the hottest thing right now Oh, we gotta talk about this war trump is crazy all right by my brother None of that. Take a clip there We don't have to do that now, of course we don't make YouTube money But most people don't make YouTube money and that's just fine but those are few they do but there the ones that everyone points to so One of these and I just got a call this PBD. Yeah you got it. This is a pet peeve your expressing as someone

2:32:59 So this PBD guy, the info... Oh Patrick Bet Davis. The infotainment guy. Infotainment who came kind of... No it's not infotainment it's value taintment come on! Get it straight. Value taintment. What am I thinking? Value taintment you know how I'm always moaning about these military algo chasers although so Bongino is on the show and Is Bongino still on SiriusXM? Do they still put him on there? I don't know if he's on Sirius XM, but he got his... He still has a syndicated show. He replaced Rush. Oh, he has a radio show? He is the radio guy and he has a podcast Well And he is kind of breathless all the time Yeah But you know, but he is in this milieu No, he totally in it, yep! He was one of the grid go down guys

2:34:02 The what? He was one of the grids going down guys. Oh yes! You know, gets his information through sources and it's podcast propaganda and I'm not saying he's complicit it's just he hears from his sources, his source is heard from other sources the backup to the backup to the backup And its injected into the podosphere And since he can't get any traction with it, he has to go on this algo chaser PBD and listen to this. I'll show you what i mean in a second another thing i've been telling you about the inauguration's coming up we're two weeks away folks i'm really hesitant to talk about this

2:34:45 By the way, that's something if you're an algo chaser which I think he is now. That's what you do. We'll probably be taken down for saying this. Record this while you can! This is actually the modern version of the guy at the dinner table who says I got a real funny joke. And he prefaces that, he prefaces the joke with I've got a real funny joke and it's not funny ever! So this is the thing you know hey all what's missing is him saying hey guys but of course he's a guest on the show so but when you say that like I have no probably shouldn't be saying this they're probably gonna shadow ban me demonetize my channel

2:35:29 I can't have this, but I've got to share this with you. But I feel an obligation to put it out there. I'm taking personal risk, I have to do it because I don't have any other avenue to do it other than you guys in the Bungino army no other place but here he's got a radio show he's got a podcast what is he talking about? No! He needs to be on Valuetainment. I don't think the Secret Service is prepared

2:36:05 And I think the Secret Service along with the FBI are lying to this transition team. This transition team knows it, and unfortunately there's nothing they can do until they formally take power in two weeks. But when they take power in two weeks Donald Trump is gonna be sitting there exposed at the inauguration. So here's not just anybody Dan Bongino was a police officer New York City Police Officer It's this stuff that just drives me crazy. Spins everybody up, Trump is in danger! Don't you know God is protecting Trump? This is a foregone conclusion. Make up your mind about that. That was really just the cover for me to launch the term Algo Chasers You are right I have to cop to it

2:37:01 Do you write these down before the show? I think you do. You're a little OCD, you know that? that you should journal every single day. You should! If you want to be a good writer, and if there's one thing I'm not it's...I'm not a good writer so i've taken to that and this is uh that's the thing you know what's that guy's name who uh who i was on his podcast he used to be at they used to be The Apple Pundit Guy Kawasaki It's his company. Oh Guy Kawasaki.

2:37:40 And you, oh you call my podcast I'll send you one. He never sent me one of course he bitched about me not getting a flu shot or COVID shot but he didn't send me the promised tablet and that was at my buddy Vic's place in Dallas and he said yeah you love this and i do it's remarkable too so yes so when I have an idea I jot it down and then I'll go and review my notes And sometimes I put them in my show prep. So yes, you're correct! I do work. Huh? Yeah. Surprised. Never know. Yeah surprised. Guy Kawasaki... You should tell people who he is. Guy Kawasaki was the first guy who put evangelist on his business card back in the day when he worked for Apple

2:38:32 He was an Apple evangelist. Did he get paid for that, do you think? Yeah! No, he was actually working there in product management or something but he took it upon himself to become the evangelist so and became a big shot. And he got on a lot of stuff. I knew him pretty well enough. I never came over dinner so it doesn't count as a friend but I knew him. So one day we're giving He's kind of the oddly humor humorless. It's a very curious way because he always got a smile on his face after After that interview on the podcast Adam, you know You're a very smart guy and I really want you to live so please reconsider take the Kovach shot it's really important you do that really Really? Yeah So anyway, so he

2:39:26 So we're up on the stage giving out awards for the Mac User Awards and he's one of the presenters. I'm a presenter, both are up there! And I'm going, and I was doing my thing. He did his thing he's standing right next to me. I said you know what one thing guy we both have in common? And he goes no what? I said conflict of interest! A classic JCD move and i bet he just deadpanned you like huh exactly it was the biggest blank stare I've gotten from a good line in my life. And did the crowd crack up

2:40:02 Well, the crowd thought it was amusing but you know what's wrong with a guy? So I just find... And so yeah. I can see him taking COVID very seriously because he takes everything seriously But he has got a big smile on his face He is nice guy Yeah but what he didn't do is send me the tablet I had to go and buy one Yeah well there you go That's why I did the show. This is great, I get a tablet out of it." No... It would have been version 1 which I hear wasn't so good so... I'm glad- I got stiffed by Michael Dell on one of these deals once. Michael Dell? The billionaire?!

2:40:39 Yeah, well it was like we're doing... and I know him pretty well. And he's been to some of the Dvorak parties we used to throw at Comdex and I can call him but so I do this thing is you have to do this thing for some roll out or something just some years ago said I don't have time to do this thing because i'll give you a computer what would computer do your wife? I said okay I'll do it for a computer. Of course! I never got the computer Well, our producer Jeremy will send you a Dell Slimline 3080. Our producer Jeremy I think got contact he had all the extra computers because he's taking them offline? Yeah that guy right yeah

2:41:22 Yeah, I sent him my request. I never got anything Well he gave it to me to give to you and... Oh no! He's giving it to YOU to give to ME because I got something for YOU to give to YOU that HE gave to ME And this guy gave it to ME to give to YOU Big mistake People just send the stuff directly Adam has a post office box who'll give you the number if you ask him and you can send directly to HIM I've got stuff backed up I'm supposed to send to you. It's all stale now, by the way unfortunately. A live chicken? Come on! I can't send that to Adam. Here is one thing and Tina is really good about this The No Agenda Fudge people know noagendafudge.com They sent us fudge and in the fudge was a check for like $385 made out to NOAgenda which...I don't know if they got credited for that or not Or how they did that or why they did that But Tina is really good She like boom! I am sending it off to John And she does that she does that really well

2:42:20 She makes... Yeah, she's the one who does that. Yes! She does that. It is not you You need one of those to send stuff to me Actually Jay will do that Well ask Jay to send that stuff to me and I'll ask Jeremy to send you Adele directly Anyway so Michael Dell never follows through So we have two Dells now? But yeah but i already ruined one so don't even ask how it happened, its a long story You're not supposed to drop them in the toilet. No, it's a long Windows story. It was involving... But Linux on it! Yeah yeah well part of it forget about it Forget about it! Oh you toasted it? I toasted it Anyway so he reneged on you can still call him you said you can still call Michael Dell billionaire computer manufacturer Michael Dell Yeah? Call him and say hey hey Dell Hey Dell

2:43:13 I'm sending out... He probably already forgot about the promise. I'm sending Curry over, I'm sending Curry over to pick it up! Too long ago. I just keep these things. I got a couple Biden clips. Okay let's see well yes this will be one of the last few weeks we get Biden clips before they announce he is dead First one is this one which is This is the biggest, you know Biden has decided months ago I guess Jill decided Joe we got to get travel as much as we can before we lose the jet. The 747 Jet Yes Air Force One So what do we do? Where can we go? I know Vatican! So play this clip.

2:44:10 The president and the Pope spoke by phone today. They were to have met this weekend in person at the Vatican But mr.. Biden canceled the trip in order to focus on the deadly, Los Angeles wildfires I'm glad was gonna take a trip to the Vatican and week before did inauguration of Trump because Jill wanted another Trip and they wanted to go to the Vatican give me a break this was a scam award Thank you for playing that because it reminded me of I got a note from one of our producers and you told me, remember this? And i didn't write it down. You will now! You got your pad. Yeah, I do. I've got my pad and this was about the medals that Biden gave out recently. So we were wondering about Tim Gill who was that why did he get a medal

2:45:06 Tim Gill, do you remember this? Yeah I remember and i think it has something to do with donations or something. So here's the note I got from my buddy Rob. Tim Gill gave $400 000 dollars to Biden and told me that would be my buddy Rob at a party he expects something for it! And his partner, Tim Gill's partner is ambassador to Switzerland in Liechtenstein That's how it works people You want a medal Pony up! You want an ambassadorship? Pony up. How about that for some inside dirt, huh? We're going to do ambassadorships on the show There you go And it's not gonna cost 400 thousand bucks and you can only be one per country Well I don't think we'd do but...I think it should be ambassador at large So you're just the ambassador But shouldn't you get a country? Do you wanna do it by countries? The no agenda ambassador to someplace or other

2:46:05 Yeah, it complicates things on the on the on the certificate. It complicates the back trying to keep it simple I Think ambassadorship is the way to go and we need a little bit We'll do in a month ahead if we don't get better donations that you know, we still haven't got an instant night all year I got back to Biden back to Biden. Yeah Okay here's bite in This is, again this is just to screw Trump over Biden new sanctions. The Biden administration announced new sanctions against Russia's energy sector today hoping to deal a massive blow to its economy over the war in Ukraine. Massive blow to Trump! The measures punish two of Russia's largest oil and gas companies plus energy officials and entities that do business with Russia They also target a fleet of more than 180 vessels Moscow has used to evade previous sanctions

2:46:55 Officials say they're the most significant such measures to date costing Russia billions of dollars per month. But they acknowledge it's up to the incoming Trump administration to keep the sanctions or scrap them Yeah, we figure that one out as bullcrap and my last Biden clip is here's Bidens slamming Metta for going free speech The US president has slammed as shameful IT giant met hold on a second is this a BBC? No, this is NHK. Oh, if slammed... Since when did the news start using the term slammed? It's been a... I know we've been hearing it for awhile What's her name uh the woman that we have to play a clip about playing her clips Amy Amy oh you said her name. Amy says it all the time Slammed slammed

2:47:51 Give me a break. All right slammed the US president has slammed as shameful I key giant matters decision and its third-party fact checking program Metta CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced on Tuesday that the company has decided to abandon the practice on its social media platforms Facebook and Instagram Bring it back to our roots in focus reducing mistakes simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platforms Speaking to reporters on Friday, Biden called the decision contrary to American justice. When you have millions of people going online reading this stuff... It is... Anyway I think it's really shameful. It's shameful? Did you see Zuckerberg on Rogan or hear Zuckerberg on Rogan? I saw some clips of it Yeah what'd ya think? You know Rogan could've gone after him a little harder

2:48:52 Because there is that, there is the meme. It's not a meme but it's posting that he did in... I think was after Trump became president or before he was running in 2020 just Zuckerberg slamming the President saying we had to take him off the platform He's banned forever and he went on and on about it And this was never addressed? Some other things were never addressed He's kind of slippery our man Zuck there Because he was in full on, well you know I run the company. I'm focused on the future and have a team. You know he threw it all into the team. The team is supposed to do that now and there and the government was calling by the way the Supreme Court ruled that the government was okay with what they did which I found to be the true tragedy of misjustice That the government was calling and screaming at our people and oh is the government calling? And they coerced us

2:49:52 Okay, well he actually testified before Congress. There was a good article written by some lefty and the verge that actually took him to task And he actually testified before Congress that in the at the end of the day no matter what the government did it was my decision Oh really? Yes, and I remember now I remember him saying it when he was giving testimony Well who's really responsible as mine I me I decided I'm the decider. And so he has an explanation. He also said, you know, I control the company which is true because of the share structure they have that... Oh yeah. If you had just said, you know, I was wrong? I would've been okay with that! Nobody does that. No one does it anymore except us. Yeah and we do it all the time because people send us notes and say hey you're wrong and then we read the note

2:50:48 Well, sometimes we go on. We try to keep this show honest. We're honest to honest dudes. I have two clips about this Trump conviction that I think we just need to get out of the way because I have the follow-up clip which will be the key part talking about it clip. Never before has this court been presented with such a unique and remarkable set of circumstances, and so began Judge Juan Marchand's historic sentencing delivered in a lower Manhattan courtroom filled with reporters and lawyers Donald Trump was spared the spectacle of an in-person appearance he learned his fate watching by video feed from his Florida estate The only lawful sentence

2:51:31 that permits entry of a judgment of conviction without encroaching upon the highest office in the land is an unconditional discharge. There will be no jail time, no fines and no real punishment after being found guilty on 34 felony charges for hush money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels. To keep their alleged affair quiet during the 2016 election The judge explaining Trump's re-election factored into his decision acknowledging there are protections that come with being the occupant of the Oval Office Though Trump is a convicted felon, the first ever American president with a criminal record. Trump's team plans to appeal the decision which he again railed against in court. This has been a very terrible experience I'm totally innocent. I did nothing wrong Yeah i think this will be overturned on appeal I'm pretty sure

2:52:30 Well, that's what everybody thinks. Oh really? Yeah I mean...I actually think so too but It's annoying if you're a felon. Because it was statute of limitations issues strange construction of the law issues where misdemeanors turn into felonies The whole thing is sketchy. You have more clips because before Capehart really tops this off Well, I don't know because i have George Conway with Joy Reid. I'm a little... Oh no no play Conway first A person who normally is convicted of felony can't vote in the state of Florida and about 8 other former confederate states already The governor said we're not going to let him vote anywhere We're gonna clear his record Let him do that I love how she says Confederate States

2:53:13 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Confederate states? Check the calendar babe! In the state of Florida and about eight other former confederate states already the governor of Florida said nah we're gonna let him vote anywhere We're going to clear his record let him do that There are like 38 countries you not supposed be able to travel to including England Canada Mexico Australia Japan China Argentina all of which he visited in his first term. 38 countries you're not allowed to get in if you're a felon, all the stigma that normally associates... You have to check a box if you want to buy a gun, If you want to get certain licenses, you can't sell weed and have a weed business Donald Trump is already getting a blight on all of that I mean, does he get to travel? Do one of these countries he's threatening tariffs would say oh buddy do 25% tariffs how about you cant come here because your a felon

2:54:02 Yeah, I don't know what the Canadian law is but they probably will have to give him away when he wants to go to Ottawa. Look, the first felon who I also like to call The First Whiner this is par for the course for him He has been skating throughout his life and yet he's led this life of crime and it really is distressing. I love the idea of Trump weed It's a great business Everybody would be buying that It's the best. You know, it probably did you may have given him an idea? It's the best weed gets you really high is dynamite weed no skunk because there's not some this is top notch kush well, you know he's a teetotaler but he does own a winery so as and he would never use the weed but I could see Don Junior could run it that'd be fine He looks like a stoner yeah So all right

2:55:02 PBS and we have Brooks and Capehart. And so, we got a real rundown on this case and Capehart being the complete A-hole that he is really showing no sympathy or understanding. And Brooks and Capehart they sit there the two of them ones you know they're both on the same side of the political spectrum trying to give us insight but not doing any sort triangulation on the topic. No reflection, no triangulation nothing where you can actually work with a viewer of PBS NewsHour can actually learn something or get some sort of perspective that's not I hate Trump Donald Trump is vowing to repeal this bill. Wait wait I'm sorry so he

2:55:54 So here he goes with his evaluation that is nonsense. That is less than what one would receive for a speeding ticket. Look, look, look, look! This case this hush money case was the case that everybody said was the crappy case of the four remember Donald Trump was indicted four times and this one was The least important the shakiest and yet

2:56:31 It's the one case where Donald Trump was held accountable. The one case where he was brought to trial before a jury of his peers in his hometown of New York City and was found guilty 34 times, I think that is great punishment. What's also a great punishment is the sentencing today where the judge said, you're gonna be president, you're not gonna go to jail but you are convicted felon and so for the rest of his life any story written about him will have to mention that fact he is convicted felon if not on first reference definitely by second reference in that it fitting, that right, just

2:57:11 Do I wish the other three cases had gone to trial and that he had faced accountability on those? Yes, but this will do. What a creep! Now the thing is what in the rule book of journalism that you're talking about or writing about somebody who have to say they are convicted felon if they are convicted felon in the prose, in the text where's that?! I've never heard of it Well thats journalistically correct John certainly you know this It's journalist bullcrap. This guy is a liar! You don't have to make a reference, but they love doing it. And again... I'm gonna show my salute by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fabul-

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3:04:13 Like a party! That's right. Connection is protection when you go to an NOAA General Meetup, the people you meet there will be your first responders in an emergency they will keep you stable which makes you able and we have some Meetup reports, very happy to report that the Los Angeles meet up went on as planned. Here's Leo Bravo with his report. Hey everybody it's Leo Bravo at meet-up number 59 I'm passing the phone around for our guests to say some nice things In the morning this is Angie in The Ranch and i listen till the end for John's no tip of the day

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3:08:16 Next Thursday, our next show day the night of January 16th at 630 Lincolns Roadhouse Denver Colorado Cervito hosting that Charlotte's Thirsty Third Thursday 7 o'clock at Edge Tavern on Thursday. Of course in Charlotte North Carolina many more including Buenos Aires on January 17th make sure you send a meetup report we collect those from lands far away and you can go to noagentomeetups.com to find one near you if you can't find one start when yourself it's easy and Always a party. I'm doing much better on the isos these days. Okay, got a lot more isos. Got much more let me see... ummm....I have this one? That burns my retinas every time!

3:09:15 I can't really hear it that well. Can you hear it? No, thank you for your time Hmm for your time have this one It all seems very gay and happy and I am here to observe That's too long. That's too long. Have this one take care of your neighbors And the one I think is kind of worth it gobsmackingly bananas actually like that one Yeah, yeah, which was from from the show we got here. Okay. All right change I get Two versions of this. Change history. Wow! Oops... This is going to be something that is gonna change history Gosh, it's a little long John four seconds Yes thats why I edited down to number two Okay This is going to change history Yeah yeah yeah It's okay its okay Its not bad Working on my editing skills here's wow Wow excellent podcast Oh goodness

3:10:14 Just when I thought you wouldn't make it, well you wouldn't be able to compete with mine. Gob-smackingly bananas! Wow excellent podcast Which one do you want? They're both good Let's do them both No we can't do both I'll take the wow Wow excellent podcast But keep the other one in abeyance Alright we will and now ladies and gentlemen it is time for your favorite part of the show John's tip of the day And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti and if you don't mind this is one of those sometimes Adam Sometimes Adam moments. Oh good why don't you give yours? I have a tip for a great gag birthday gift

3:11:00 Okay. And the reason why is my girl in a cake, my stepdaughter Elise, who lives in New York she just turned 28. A zoomer? She's a zoomer that's correct she was given a printed book which her friend took a lot of time and trouble to go through to have it printed because its available on a PDF The Laptop from Hell Hunter Biden Book which is a hilarious gag gift. It has all the hooker pictures, the coke pictures it has lists of all the stuff he did it is a very funny gag gift and its available as an e-pub you can download it and then you can have it bound people will appreciate this gag gif if you give it to them where do you download it? The link in the show notes

3:11:55 Okay. That's not much of a gag, I think it's a good gift! Well it is kind of a gag gift... It's a gag gift man, it's a gag gift He was gagging a lot. Hey, there it is! So now we have a tip that is so good you almost don't want to give it. Yeah I almost didn't want to do this. I've been excited for the whole show just to hear this. If you remember in the early days of the internet all these phones every phone company came with their own yellow pages and search engines Wait a minute...I'm actually in the printed yellow pages The Internet Yellow Pages, you remember that book? Yeah I remember that book. They thought people would want... That was done by McGraw-Hill Yes! People thought they would wanna have a... I had an imprint with the company at the time. I bet you did And so

3:12:48 that all went by the wayside and next thing you know, you gotta pay for every information. You can't get phone numbers or information about anybody anymore without having to go through rigamarole and it's just almost impossible except for this one search engine I think. And it doesn't work with a PBS. Did I say PBS? I meant VPN. It doesn't work with PBS either. Nothing works with PBS. It's called truepeoplesearch.com And it'll give you where somebody lives, where they lived before who they're married to. Where they work in what their phone number is? What their email is and on and on and on. It's really good so you can track down your old buddies using this now that said its a little weak on email addresses because there was just site a whole bunch of email addresses I have a secondary tip which is how to get somebody's email address

3:13:47 You find like a source like this, it's true people search. You look yourself up you'll find yourself in there with your address. You take all the email addresses and put one of them in the two versus 2 and he put the email address up there and then under BCC you put the other 40 email addresses And so the guy will get one or two emails, but it all doesn't look like you have a blind carbon copy going in there. And you'll get kickback notices of all the bad ones and you could quickly isolate what the person's real email address is using this technique Wow! This is horrible! This is absolutely horrible

3:14:37 Wow. That's why I was reluctant! Yeah, I can see why you're all over this thing Oh yeah luckily I got houses more than once so they can hide. So they could firebomb all of your houses? This is great that is a horrible tip John I don't know if I can appreciate this tip that you gave everybody Well, I think it's a tip that needs to be out there because it saves money. You can find people... Yeah like Dana... ...you can find their phone numbers. Like Dana Brunetti easy to find us very cool. I like it You can find their phone numbers, you can call them up. Say hello! Call them up and say... If you call up and say hey... Okay there it is your dangerous very very very dangerous tip of the day that is it from John C Dvorak go to tipoftheday.net noagendafund.com There ya'go

3:15:39 That is probably one of your best tips, but also one of your most horrific tips. That's why I said...I prefaced it so you just let it... You did. How do I get off that website? Is my question. That'll be the next tip for the day! Probably not even possible Now you can get off of the ones that you have to pay to find people, but yeah. But no, you know what John? TikTok's the problem! That's the problem! TikTok is the problem not realpeoplesearch.com End of show mixers coming up from Leo Lapuque a great one Professor Jay Jones and Tom Starkweather known as melodious owls it was all dynamite remember we have the satellite skirmish coming up they don't switch over seamlessly and coming to you from

3:16:26 The place you can find on realpeoplesearch.com, the heart of the Texas Hill Country in the morning everybody! It's true people search so don't get confused but I think he wants to go someplace else because it is there too In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where we still do say gruesome newsom and he said this way you can find him You find his wife, everybody. It's unbelievable I'm John C DeVore And I bring you, fire. The governor in the hat? Is it really? Governor Newsom is right there expecting the damage. Fire! Look at this entourage. We were not expecting a gruesome Newsom appearance. Fire! You're fired sir. Get out of Newsom?! That's the governor! That's the governor! Fire! Governor, I live here, governor!

3:17:27 Please tell me what you're gonna do. I'm literally talking to the president right now- Can I hear it? Can I hear your call, cuz I don't believe it! So let's get it, lets get it. I wanna be here when you call the President Why is there no water in the hydrant, Governor?! Is it gonna be different next time? It has to be. Burn sites rapidly green with opportunity, scientists marvel their power of regeneration I say that's the California way as your governor I promise you whatever challenges come our way i will always lead the California protecting our planet and always planting seeds for the future

3:18:06 makes me drier than a California fire hydrant. So if one dies, do not pet it! I have one clip here about why we're doing this... Why would somebody want to do that? Yeah why?! I don't know Horowitz does it too on my ad because we wanted to do that for the same reasons why you don't wanna do it right now so we wanna do it for the same reasons we don't want to do it. Why is everybody doing Why the COVID and flu vaccine lasts for months? Why, why, why? That's correct! Someone coming out and saying yeah I'm ex-CIA. It's a plague put it in the Red Book NGO official in Ukraine...why?!

3:18:47 And then you should follow it up by saying, that's a great question. You're either still CIA or you were never CIA. What is this? I don't know Horowitz does it too on my dad This is a why plague. This is something new, right? They've sent terrorists from Afghanistan region here, why? Why? We have terrorists in this country that we don't even know their long term plans against us because- I have one clip here about why are doing this. Why would somebody want to do that? Yeah. This is a wide plague. Let's meet Sarah Adams, known to be 10% humanitarian 90% warlord I don't believe it for seconds! Vaccines do not repeat and do not cause autism Why? Because that's a great question What is the cure? Sarah Adams aka Superbad Why why why

3:19:45 massive skyrocketing cancer. I still think there will be good relations with President Trump. Gavin Newsom had an opportunity to have millions of gallons a week, a day, millions and millions of gallons come down from the north. Millions of gallons, millions and millions of gallons come down from the north. Millions of gallons he said I don't want to sign it. I don't want the water we don't need the water. I said you need the millions of gallon but you need the water so much that they wouldn't know what to do. Millions of gallons, I was gonna give him unlimited water with millions of gallons and you need the water but you need the water in millions of gallons is so much water that they wouldn't know what to do with it. Millions of gallons, millions and millions of gallons come down from

3:20:38 Adios, mofo. Dvorak dot org slash N-A. Wow! Excellent podcast