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00:00 Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's Sunday, June 30th, 2019. This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1151. This is no agenda. Proving that all media is advertisement and broadcasting live from the frontier of Austin, Texas, capital of the drone star state. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I've been ambushed by Kamala Harris. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Well that sounds painful. Always, yes always with the topical opening.

00:38 Yes, you've been ambushed by Kamala. Hey, well before we before we do that I have something very important to so to mention anything I Received an email and I was quite shocked by this email And it was someone who was very pissed off with my performance on the podcast my pod You have two or three people that do they don't like you. It was my pod performance apparently performance my pod performance apparently I I have been saying you know a lot. Oh, that's funny. Have you caught that? Have you? And the first thing I said is, really? I said, and I listened to an hour of the show. I didn't hear it. And this producer said, oh yeah, you say it. It sounds like yo. Will you please stop saying you know every two seconds. It sounds like yo. It's making the show unlistenable.

01:30 Yo, I thought maybe this person sent it to would meant to send it to Adam Carolla instead of me Was I saying you know no me me and I said I even replied I said well, then I'm very disappointed John and I are supposed to catch each other yes, and You sound like you sound like a effing millennial who says like every three years. I can't I don't maybe I do but please Pay attention to it, will you? Look! Be more specific here, Tote. The end of the day, you know? Look! It's like a... Joe Biden and look in the end of the day, oh my God. The fact of the matter. Now that's it. I just wanted to make sure. This is very important to the show. It's important to me. It's important to you. I haven't heard this. I know and I'm sure that you would have... You just said I know. I said I know, but not you know. That might be the... maybe that's the mix-up.

02:25 The problem is i didn't hear it in an hour a whole hour which is what you know it's not the whole show but. If you can listen for an hour and not say the buzz phrase that people are complaining or someone is complaining about, it's probably minor. Well now I'm super aware of it, and now it's become a Tourette's thing. I will say this, for people who don't know inside baseball, just make this comment. Adam and I do catch each other saying stupid crap that's just generally in the public domain. and we start doing it, because everybody does. And one of the things that I've noticed is that when I start doing something, Adam will catch me, and then it'll take me two or three shows to stop from doing it. Generally speaking, when Adam is caught, even in mid-show, which I have done,

03:16 by calling him out on smacking his lips or something. But more importantly, when there's a phrase that keeps being repeated, you know, it's filler, it's all filler. See, now you just said, you know. It could be. It could be me. Maybe the guy's thinking he doesn't understand the difference between our voices. The point is, is that When I pointed out to Adam, he almost stops it immediately. I find it very unnerving. It's my Tourette's power. It's unnerving. It's my Tourette's power. I have the ability to stop the Tourette's for periods of time depending on what I'm doing. So I have this mental... concentration. Right, but now it's working in the opposite. And it's because you're also a neat freak and this cleans up your... Yeah, my wife would disagree, but okay.

04:04 Yeah, well. But now I have a different issue is this is such a... in fact I remember when you know was big and this is probably when I was eight or nine years old. Still big. Yeah, but in the 70s at a certain point everyone you know, you know, and I recall someone maybe at school saying, stop saying that! And now for that to come back and to be told that I'm using this now it's almost like a Tourette's thing that I want to say, you know? You might want to switch it to the more modern version. Which is? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? No, it's come on now. I want to do the black version. Come on now. You know what I'm saying? Come on now. Let's talk about it. Been watching too much black YouTube. Influenced. Over-influenced. Well now, we had a second debate which I'm sure people would like to hear our take on to some degree.

05:03 Well, I've got too much of a degree. Although I don't have that many clips from the debate, I do have a couple. I have mostly... Well, I'd like to ask you something first. How's that Biden-Harris ticket working out for you, you were so sure of? That's still in play. Kamala Harris wipes the floor with Joe Biden and I'm sitting there thinking uh-huh yeah that's gonna be a great ticket. After the first time she swiped the wipe the floor with him then she really came back and did the whole full-on racist busing thing regardless of the truth of it. Now that's never gonna work again ever. We have more chance of a Kamala Harris Pete Buttigieg ticket than a Biden Harris ticket. So pack it in.

05:53 Well, it's got to be a woman. It's not gonna be Elizabeth Warren. I have too many clips. No you don't. And we can talk about this a little bit. We can do the ABC analysis of the Biden-Harris thing. First let's talk about some basic things. I had not noticed, maybe only during the second debate, that the lecterns light up when someone's out of time. Yellow-red. I don't understand why in this situation they don't all have buzzers and then you know you hit the buzzer then your lectern should light up and then it's your turn to talk that would have made it so much easier and more entertaining to watch. It would have been very entertaining with buzzers. Kamala Harris, 30 seconds. It would have been fantastic because then you can say excuse me you didn't buzz in.

06:45 It's just this format seems ripe for buzzers. Well, the other thing is if you look at the red light that goes off on their lecterns, who's that benefit? They can't see it. I was wondering, well maybe you can see something change. Maybe they have a little red light on their thing too, we don't know. But it's obviously to make it clear that they're talking over time to the audience. Yes. But to the TV viewing audience, which is really the audience, You'd hardly notice it. In fact, you just mentioned that you didn't know that was in the first – they had it in play in the first debates too. Well, here comes my second point. Not only should we have buzzers and lights to indicate who buzzed in.

07:27 Unless you're directly asked a question, but you can intervene with a buzzer. We shouldn't have an audience. We don't need the audience It's annoying this has been discussed on the other shows. It's annoying. It's distracting it takes away time I heard this argument on one of the panels and It was with the same logic and I decided no. First of all, this thing is bad enough. Have you ever watched one of these local debates or some of the regional debates where they have people with no audience? It's extremely depressing to watch.

08:07 It would not work without an audience. It would be a depressing, weird quality to it that you couldn't put your finger on. Well, can I make a suggestion then? Why don't we just do a laugh track? You know, just sweeten it. That would be, yeah, sweeten it a little bit. I think that would be more reasonable. Well, the audience really does add a dimension to that. Even though it's stupid, it adds something to it. It would otherwise be horrible. Horrible. Alright. So I'm not buying into that one. So let's listen to the back and forth with the Biden versus Harris analyzed on ABC. Okay.

08:47 Joe Biden came to Jesse Jackson's rainbow push coalition today looking for a do-over. That was... stop right there. When I saw that live happening, I said to myself, whoa, wow, now you're really going as deep as you can, Joe. Do you think he had to pay a cover fee to get in? Or do you think he just got on stage and it was all good? That was the first time he spoke, which is how it was billed. Biden speaks for first time after debate. Yeah. Do you think he had to pay? Or was it just a hop on in? Oh, he offered Jesse Jackson the vice presidency. Before I start, I'd like to say something about the debate we had last night. He's talking about that defining moment from last night's debate. Senator Kamala Harris confronting the former vice president for touting his ability to work with anyone, even segregationist senators. I do not believe you are a racist. And I agree with you.

09:42 when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground. But I also believe, and it's personal, and it was actually very, it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. Harris then took on Biden for his opposition in the 70s to federal ordered busing to integrate public schools and she made it personal. There was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day and that little girl was me. On stage Biden forced to go on the defensive. It's a mischaracterization of my position across the board. I did not praise racists. That is not true. Do you agree today

10:37 You were wrong to oppose Wow did they just cut that off? Did he didn't let didn't keep in his explanation as to why he wasn't racist They just cut it right out Get to the part where she's like demanding y'all beautiful. Do you agree today? that you were wrong to oppose busing in America. Do you agree? I did not oppose busing in America. What I oppose is busing ordered by the Department of Education. That's what I oppose. Today in Chicago, an attempted clean up. I heard and I listened to and I respect Senator Harris. But, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime of civil rights. Justice! I fought my heart out to ensure that civil rights and voting rights, equal rights are enforced everywhere. I've decided we just need to keep that yell on hand for any time someone uses the word justice in any context. It's just important.

11:39 Anyway, so he goes on with I cut it off there for some reason went to part. Let's go to part two I'll figure out why aren't forced everywhere All right, Mary Bruce joins us now from Washington and Mary the discussion today not just about Joe Biden's rough night But also about a strong showing for Senator Kamala Harris and tonight the senator is though changing one of her answers on a key question Well, Tom Harris last night raised her hand in support of abolishing private health insurance and replacing it with a government-run plan now today She said she misunderstood the question and tried to walk it back a bit, but Tom this is not the first time that she's had to do some cleanup on this issue and tonight her position still remains a little murky. You know, I thought this fallback by ABC, they obviously, I'm guessing that the powers that be do not want this woman even getting close to becoming the nominee. Oh. And that little bit at the end there seemed to be put in there for a reason. They didn't need to do that if they're just talking about this battle between Biden and Harris.

12:38 And a lot of people made a big deal about it. I wonder how many people, how many voters actually thought, that's a problem or... Well, it didn't drop him in the polls. The polls just came out this morning and he's still up there. And the guy who got dropped a little bit is Sanders, who was in the middle of those two yelling at each other. Him yelling, her yelling at him. By the way, Sanders had way too much lipstick on. I didn't notice the lipstick. Oh my god. It puts some eye shadow on the guy could have done a show. He could have been reading story time to preschoolers. Yeah, exactly. Well, I thought Bernie, his rap was good, but it was it was the wrong rap for this for this show. Now his rap is take the money from the rich.

13:34 It's pretty much not even give it to the poor just let's take it all from the rich. Yeah, just take it. And there's nothing wrong with that because people respond very well and with our novel understanding of modern monetary theory, he wouldn't even have to tax Wall Street. He should just say it the way it is. We don't have to tax anybody. We'll just print it. Well, he's not an MMT guy. I thought his campaign lady was an MMT. Yes, she is. She is. I can't remember her name. She should school him a little bit so he can say, I can't do a Bernie voice. He won't do it. He has not done it. She is the MMT woman and she's all in on this. But he doesn't bring up the printing money, but he does bring up, and he did in this last night, the income inequality.

14:23 And so he harps on income inequality, which is part of, again, justice. Now let's go back to ABC and the insurance comment. Let's just look, are there any corporate things that would make sense there? I mean, it's a huge corporation. Insurance companies are just banks in their essence. Well, insurance companies do a lot of advertising. True an extreme actually if I try Co and no yes, yeah, they're very big I think I come or mutual does a bunch of ads and I think Geico and and One other is in the top 10 advertisers aggressive. Yeah now CBS does seem to like Kamala and

15:06 And is it now Camilla or Kamala? It seems people go back and forth. You say Kamala, I say Kamala. Gayle King gushes. Your performance last night is certainly what people are talking about this morning. I'm hearing words like a star is born. She is fervent but deploys her anger precisely like a flashlight. Voters in Iowa and New Hampshire are telling CBS News today that she deploys her anger like a flashlight. I think laser would have been better, but let's see again. Deploys her anger precisely like a flashlight. Voters in Iowa and New Hampshire are telling CBS News today that you had a strong performance. How do you intend to capitalize on that momentum? Clearly the t-shirts is one way. Understand that those are already on sale. She meant capitalize literally I guess.

15:52 Yeah, the little girl the little girl t-shirts. So this so this is I'd nonsense by the way Let's bet there was a good essay that I put online and this linked in the newsletter I already put it in the show notes and it is discusses the nonsense that Berkeley schools were already integrated by the time she came around Let's just explain because you live there. I really liked your personal take in the newsletter. I'd see if you could I explain this again. You lived in Berkeley and what she said about, we have to explain busing a little bit, but what she said was a lie. Well, busing was hated by the public at large and in both communities, the whites, blacks, nobody liked it because especially people who had gone through a lot of trouble to not necessarily the poorest of the blacks, but people have gone to a lot of trouble to move to a school district and near a school that their kid could walk to school safely.

16:48 And the idea was, and this was in that regard Biden was probably more on the right side of this. He was on the right side of history more or less but looking in hindsight because people that come along like the Justice Democrats who don't work weren't even alive many of them during that era. don't realize how divisive it was and it caused nothing but trouble for everybody. So the idea was... It was forced busing where you take your kid and you got to school, you can be living right next door to a school or your kid could walk to school and the bus comes and picks up and drags them across town to some other school so you can balance the races in these different schools. It didn't work out very well and it was mostly

17:27 done away with. In fact, they got some very funny stuff what's going on. The most segregated schools in the country and the most liberal city in the world are New York. New York City is the most segregated schools. And that's how the final result of busing. Thank you. And these clips would be quite hilarious. But anyway, so Berkeley was always a liberal operation. It was run by extreme radicals of even in the 70s. And there was no way there was going to have segregation or anything like that going on. She's just exaggerating this. To an extreme, it's ridiculous.

18:04 One thing at Berkeley we're talking about her father's a professor and this is nonsense She's making this up and she you know Kamala also vacationed in India in the summer. Yes, it wasn't like she was She was wealthy and it was for her and this is how it was explained to me from my ADoS friends for Kamala it wasn't really an opt-in and She wanted to, or her parents, her mom I would say, wanted her to have this experience. But for most kids it was a lock-in. You had no choice, this is what you had to do. But Kamala had many different options and choices with her family. One of them is vacationing in summers in India or going wherever she needed to go. She was privileged, privileged. And the feeling is that she is stealing

19:00 People's history. What's it called when you steal when you wear an army uniform and you're pretend to be that you were in false false valor is it false? Something valorous what she's doing. Yes, and kind of an obtuse way. I mean she's false valor victim stolen valor I'm sorry stolen stolen Thank You trolls trolls I have a I want to jump to the teen panel. Which is probably much more entertaining than the actual deal. I think so. But except for the one, I do have the Biden gaffe of gaffes if you don't have it. I have no clips from the debate itself. I just have some clips around the debate. What's the Biden? Oh, okay. Well, I have a couple of debate clips that are quite good, especially the Biden gaffe of gaffes.

19:51 which just upset the Democrats to no end. The Democrats are very upset by this. I mean, the hard-ass, the Brooks and Shields. I do have Brooks and Shields. Let's jump to that first, so we get out of the way, so we can see how they felt. And then I, and also another guy who was really disappointed was Van Jones. He was almost in tears. He was. Brooks and Shields debate rundown. And by the way, there's no Edison here. This is Brooks and Shields debate rundown. Shields and Brooks, sorry. Shields and Brooks. Finally you've figured out how I work. I know how you work, alphabetical. You know, I think my main takeaway is how far the Democratic Party has gone to the left and how little the moderates in the debates have any interest in fighting it.

20:32 Two candidates, Warren and Sanders, said they wanted to get rid of all private health plans, employer-based health plans. Only 13% of Americans agree with that. All of the candidates, of all stripes, seem to think they can't get anybody to their left on immigration policy, and they're wandering very close to sort of an open borders type approach. and this would be, I think, devastating in the fall. This country has 35% of people who call themselves conservative, 35% who call themselves moderates, and 26% who call themselves liberals. You can't win with 26%, but this debate was entirely within that little parenthesis.

21:09 Is that what you're seeing, Mark, in this first debate? Well, I don't see things exactly the way you do from Aspen. But no, I would say this, Judy, for those Democrats for whom the highest moral objective politically in 2020 is the retirement of Donald Trump, it's not been a good week. Yeah, now I already know what the gaff of gaffs is. Well, the gaff of gas is also a shield's picked up on another gaff, which I went back to look for and I couldn't quite get it. But apparently one of the candidates was going on about equality, equality, the egalitarian thing again, we talked about in the last show. And they wanted to make sure that transgenders, I guess, trans women who have women who wasn't it wasn't this for this was the first debate. This is your boy Julian Castro.

21:59 Well, this is the one where they said they should make sure that they can get abortions. I would say this. I'd say collectively for the Democrats, it was not good. Just think of the 80 yards of the field that Republicans have surrendered to them on the abortion issue. I mean, Republicans have been running away from what Republicans did in Alabama and Georgia and in Missouri and Ohio. And the president has been distancing himself even. And what do Democrats do? I mean, they basically just endorse abortion and throw in, well, how about trans people covering abortion?

22:38 I just, I mean, to me, they just wasn't thinking in terms strategically. I mean, they own the majority position in the country, safe, legal, rare. And so to me, I just don't understand. I think it was Castro and it was the first evening. And I find it really disingenuous what a lot on the right and conservatives are tweeting, because what he what he meant by his statements, I wish I had a clip of it. was, you know, he's trying to show his incredible wokeness by saying trans men, I think trans men can have babies and we, you know, it just, everyone took that as, oh how could a man have a uterus? Tucker Carlson, like please, we know what he meant. He meant that you can have female reproductive organs, yeah, female reproductive organs, you could still be transitioning to a man and have a baby and have right to

23:33 to reproductive health care. So again for anyone who went out and said how can a man have a baby? You're a dick, you're a stupid ass. You just heard the super liberal Shields say the same thing so you can't just blame the right wingers for that. What he should have said is men have a front hole. We know the language, you and I have discussed this. We should have had that in the debate. Now was it a ridiculous thing to say? Yes of course it was. Hey maybe I can pick up five people by saying that. Okay good work. Okay let's go to, this is the one that everybody bitched about and Shields did too.

24:14 And this is Biden, a lot of this has to do with these guys not listening to the moderators and the moderators not promoting themselves. So the question is asked, what's the first thing you're gonna do when you're president? And so, what? I thought that was a cue, I'm waiting. Oh no, I mean, I got it, sorry, sorry. What's the first thing you're going to do when you're president? And when they went to Biden, he goes off, first of all, he goes off the rails and says a number of things that don't make any sense. If you listen carefully, it's worth analyzing what he said about Obama. And then he brings himself back to the question, which apparently he forgot. And this is the result. You may only get one shot in your first issue that you're going to push. You get one shot.

25:06 that it may be the only thing you get passed. What is that first issue for your presidency, Vice President Biden, your first issue, Mr. Vice President? I think you're so underestimating Barack Obama, Dan. He's the first man to bring together the entire world, 196 nations, to commit to deal with climate change immediately. So I don't buy that. But the first thing I would do is make sure that we defeat Donald Trump. Period. Well, first of all, he starts off by talking about Obama and that was the transition was accurate there. It wasn't edited. He says that specifically, Chuck does, and he says, well, then he bitches about people not taking Obama's

25:58 climate change thing and then he says I don't buy that in that regard what does he mean I don't buy that? He says Obama did his first guy who did all this stuff. I don't buy that. That's what he said. Let's listen again. It's worth it. I want to see what was you may only get one shot and your first man. What is that first issue for your presidency? Vice President Biden, your first issue. We got the vice president. I think you're so underestimated with Barack Obama. He's the first man to bring together the entire world, 196 nations to commit

26:33 deal with climate change immediately. So I don't buy that. Interesting. That is interesting. I don't buy that. I don't buy that. Don't buy what? That I think if this was an answer that he had pre-programmed in case something came up about... I just analyzed it. Go ahead. He brought that up because somebody else had said something. And let's be the first to do this or that. And he's Biden felt obliged. Yes, exactly. And so his I don't buy that referred to whoever was that said something beforehand. Yeah. And then he comes back to the question, just these guys, you know, there's always like they have to hold on to grudges that other people said something that didn't make any sense. And held on to it right into his answer.

27:23 Yeah, and so he ends up screwing up big-time and he says the first thing he wants to do when he's president is make sure Trump's out. What? I think you're gonna, you know, it's just crazy. This is like the joke about Maxine Waters saying when I'm elected president, I'm gonna impeach Trump. But to be fair to Uncle Joe, Sleepy Joe, He's a guy. First he says this about the first thing I'll do and then he doesn't say that the first thing I have to do is get rid of Trump, he says what we got to do is get rid of Trump. The first thing I would do is make sure that we defeat Donald Trump. Yeah I guess it was a gaffe, it was no good. Let's face it, Joe was no good. He was just no good.

28:07 He was in a different mode. He, you know, he has kind of just... He was shook up earlier because of Kamala. She rattled him, rattled him severe, right down to the teeth. Definitely. Here's another one that I got from the, before I get to the teens. This is Kamala on Trump as a threat. What is the greatest national security threat to the United States? It's Donald Trump. And I'm going to tell you why. I want to say a few things about Kamala before we move on to the teens.

28:56 She had a fantastic line which I think really got everyone's attention and she's very expert at how she does things. She said instead of a food fight, we don't want a food fight, we want while America's trying to put food on the table, was rehearsed perfectly, executed. Yes? Yeah, I'm not gonna disagree. She threw that in there, but it was totally rehearsed. Yes. And she goes in with the food fight, food on the table. This is the other thing. These guys, and I mentioned this in the newsletter, or no, I mentioned it in the rundown of it, which is linked to in the newsletter.

29:35 All these guys went on and on about stuff like the food fight, we want food on the table, the economy sucks, it's only the stock market's doing well, nobody owns stocks and we're all dying out here. And then that was like a big problem, they all mentioned it at the beginning of the debate. And then when it came to the very end of the debate, they said, what is your top priority? And without without maybe one or two little waffles. No real climate change. Climate change, climate change, climate change. What if the economy is so bad and people can't put, as she says, food on the table? Don't you think that's a little more important than regulating carbon dioxide? Surely you didn't take any of this seriously.

30:14 The other thing I... I take it very serious, I take it seriously. The other thing I need to say is that Kamala Harris is an outstanding storyteller. She has a way to draw you in. Yeah, she's good. She does them too many of them. Everything's a story, which is what you're supposed to do. I mean Reagan was a master at this. And she does it. Her stories to me seem like bullshit. It's unimportant if they're bullshit or not. Who cares? She tells a story and she grabs... I'm just analyzing it. The content is almost... It's clearly unimportant because they're all over the map themselves. I agree. Okay, let's go here. Here's a little angle on her that I thought Brooks...

31:04 This is to me a new observation. I never thought of it. I didn't hear the court before. This is Brooks on Kamala. So David, whether it was Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg or you know, lest we forget the first night when we had Elizabeth Warren up there with the others. Were there candidates who significantly helped themselves in these debates? Yeah, I would say Warren and Harris would be the two. What's interesting is right now the key fight is who's going to be the progressive rival. Who's going to be the face for progressive side of the party? And Warren and Sanders and Harris are all vying for it. I think Warren and Harris did particularly well. I've always thought Harris is going to be the most formidable progressive. Just because her whole life, going back to when she was a prosecutor, she's just a forceful arguer.

31:50 She says I've been I've an eye for an enemy and I know I have to go after them and that strikes me as right for the mood of a lot of progressive and a lot of Democrats. I Agree, I think she's the force to be reckoned with this just one thing that had happened that that we need to highlight and Donald Trump jr retweeted a tweet that targeted Kamala Harris's identity as quote not an American black and now he has since I don't know why but he has since deleted this retweet like a little pussy because this is a nightmare to the American descendants of slavery. They are seeing Obama 2.0 literally

31:04 This is to me a new observation. I never thought of it. I didn't hear the court before. This is Brooks on Kamala. So David, whether it was Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg or you know, lest we forget the first night when we had Elizabeth Warren up there with the others. Were there candidates who significantly helped themselves in these debates? Yeah, I would say Warren and Harris would be the two. What's interesting is right now the key fight is who's going to be the progressive rival. Who's going to be the face for progressive side of the party? And Warren and Sanders and Harris are all vying for it. I think Warren and Harris did particularly well. I've always thought Harris is going to be the most formidable progressive. Just because her whole life, going back to when she was a prosecutor, she's just a forceful arguer.

31:50 She says I've been I've an eye for an enemy and I know I have to go after them and that strikes me as right for the mood of a lot of progressive and a lot of Democrats. I Agree, I think she's the force to be reckoned with this just one thing that had happened that that we need to highlight and Donald Trump jr retweeted a tweet that targeted Kamala Harris's identity as quote not an American black and now he has since I don't know why but he has since deleted this retweet like a little pussy because this is a nightmare to the American descendants of slavery. They are seeing Obama 2.0 literally

32:41 the same, not a drop of African-American blood in either of them. And what are they immediately confronted to? What does Joy Reid hop on and what is, oh, birtherism 2.0, oh, another birther, racist birther, which will immediately stifle any debate about her heritage, which is she's using so it should be fair play. It should be fair play to talk about it. Well, she jumped in on this debasing. I'm the black one up here that I can do this. I should talk about race because I am the one. Yes, exactly. But you can't because then you're racist and it's a birtherism and birtherism is a racist and oh my God, they're doing the same to her they did to Obama. Except now it's blacks doing it.

33:30 Well, I have the not a racist ISO for your consideration. Wait a minute. Okay. I do not believe you are a racist. That's not bad. That's not bad. Let's go to the teen panel so we can get the wrap this up. All right. Okay. This teen panel is the first take and it starts off with kind of an analysis of the kids and then the one black girl on there is two girls that are of color, but there's one that's black and she hates Kamala. And she brings up some points and she brings them up again after this clip, but she makes the points that the ADOS would make. And this is a serious something that has to be considered because the black community is not going to come out in droves necessarily

34:18 if at all, to vote for her and this needs to be realized by apparently the, I'm thinking the Democrats are just oblivious to this. Oh man, it was a lively room in here tonight. A lot of hot takes and I'm going to ask for them now. Guys, you had a lot to say while we were watching and I want those top line reactions right now. What stood out about the candidates and what was your take on the debate overall tonight, especially compared with last night? I think Vice President Biden and Senator Sanders both buckled under the pressure of being frontrunners. It seemed like when the heat really got turned up on them, they couldn't hold their ground. And I think that that's pretty big of are they going to be able to last in this field? And for somebody like Vice President Biden, if Kamala Harris was pretty tough on him tonight, the president's going to be tough on him in a general election. Is he going to be able to handle that? Speaking of Kamala Harris, I felt that

35:11 Even though tonight a lot of the candidates were able to come at Joe Biden for his controversial past I think that Kamala was able to benefit from people not checking up on her particular past as she talked about her role in regards to prison reform and immigration and I feel like other candidates should have held her feet to the fire, just as they held Joe Biden to that standard as well. So that should be interesting to see what's going to happen in the future. However, I do feel that she was able to make very strong quotes that are going to be headliners. And from that, people are going to be under the impression that she quote unquote won this debate. I, however, don't think so.

35:52 And she's saying it in nice terms, actually. Very, very pleasant. She brings it up again later and she bitches a little bit more about it when she does not like this woman and that makes it clear after a while. But she's, you know, these kids are getting their shot at television. So let's listen to this is the teen panel to somebody who's making a good point. Yeah, I mean, you guys, when I asked you about Joe Biden before the debate, I asked who was excited, nobody raised their hands. What did his performance tonight do to change your opinion of him? He was a distraction, I feel like, the entire debate, because a lot of the candidates were just using their time to attack him and go at him, and then he spent all of his time basically defending himself, saying, oh, this is what I did, this is what I did. And he very rarely talked about what he actually planned to do. There wasn't a lot of substance with that. That's why I was more interested in some of the candidates like Pete Buttigieg and

36:45 Andrew Yang because they were just more focused on what they were actually planning to do and even though they didn't get as many opportunities to speak as some of the headliners they actually used their time to explain what they planned to do. Not very inspirational but... By the way as I went back and watched pieces from the first debate Julian Castro kept repeating about the removal of section 1325 from the Immigration Act. Yeah. And I decided it was, I don't know what drove me, maybe my crazy no agenda hat, to look up what section 1325 is. It is, you know, they say, well we need to decriminalize. When you say decriminalize, doesn't that sound kind of soft? Like, oh you know, so make it a misdemeanor or something like that. Well actually decriminalize doesn't even, misdemeanor is a criminal act.

37:42 Right, well, so, okay, so then he's being truthful because Section 1325 is the only section that sets forth the criminal offenses relating to improper entry into the United States. which has the five-year or I think $250,000 penalty. That's on the books. I mean if you come in illegally there is a penalty and he wants, and it's a very short section, he wants the whole section to be removed. Yeah, open borders. Which is the literal definition of open borders and that's okay that you can have that opinion

38:18 But the one thing we've agreed on, you and I here, is you can't have open borders and medical health care for everybody who's here. And this is exactly what they're saying. And every single one of them in the second debate put their hands up, should undocumented aliens have health care? Right, what nobody said because there's no moderates, Brooks bitched about this. There's no moderates that defend themselves saying, look, look, which is what we heard a lot from Biden. Look, if you're going to have open borders, which be by the repeal of that act of that section, I mean, that means anyone with the worst kind of medical condition living in Southern Mexico on a farm

39:10 would zoom up to the United States for free medical care. I mean, would just invite the sickest of the sick to come into the country to get free medical care because you're gonna treat them. Does this make sense to anybody as a good idea? Apparently. I mean, even when I went to Canada to get some medical, get a flu shot some years back to go to their healthcare system, I had to pay. It wasn't free. You're not a Canadian, you have to pay. There's a card. If you're a Canadian, yeah, it's free. If you're an American using their system, no, it's not free. You pay at a normal rate.

39:51 I think it cost me 50 bucks or something. It was not cheap. But the point is, is that no, they want to give free everything to everybody and have open borders at the same time. And nobody is calling them out on this. Just as a quick as just impractical as a quick addition to section 1325 subsection C this pertains to Ilan Omar fresh Congresswoman from where she from here, Wisconsin Somalia. Well, that's where she's from now. There's there's ample evidence that she married her brother to help him enter into the United States. Yeah, there's plenty of evidence. Under subsection C, any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than five years or fine not more than $250,000 or both. And she could go to jail. I wish she would. That'd be great. It'd be good for the show, that's for sure. Oh, it'd be good for, yeah. All right.

40:53 Here's the final thing i'm gonna ask them to get to ask adam segments i'm just gonna be one of them so they're gonna give us a rundown this is the same they did the last time who won the debates but they're gonna make it there made it more interesting they're gonna ask the kids who if you combine both of these debates who was the winner. And I'm gonna ask you, what do you think the answer would be? Well, hold on a sec. Yeah, that's right. You came to the right place. If you want to have answers to the questions you ask, it's the Ask Adam segment. What was your question again?

41:35 Kids are going to pick the winner of both debates in other words not one or the other but the combined combined combined. So, oh, who won the combined debates and these kids are how old? They're all like, I would say, sophomores in college level. Now is it just gonna be one answer or are the kids gonna have different answers? They're gonna waffle, of course. No one's gonna get one answer, but they're gonna kind of beat around the bush. But there will be a conclusion at the end and you'll hear it. I would think there would be more people interested than we might surmise in Marianne Williamson, who I respect for being... Listen,

42:20 Look, let me say... Thurman! No, I'm not gonna Thurman. Now even I had to tweet out a funny video about her because she really, you know, she wasn't given any chance, no equal chance at all, horrible moderation. They just didn't give her anything. They should have let her talk more. That's what the Republicans want. They're the ones supporting her. I pointed this out in the newsletter. It turns out that most of her support is coming from Republicans to keep her on the debate stage. Kind of a chicken shit thing, but funny. Now she's a New York Times best-selling author. I've listened to some of her motivational stuff. She's helped millions of people. Did you listen to these while you were in the bathtub with all those candles all over the place? That's right, I win. I told you baby, that's exactly what he would say. I nailed it. I said that John's only response can be that because you're an old misogynistic white guy.

43:12 And I give anybody who says I'm gonna run for president, she met the criteria, she had you know 50,000 people who are on her list, she had a million and a half dollars, I give her some respect for standing there and at least she had a different message. And her message was inspirational although she, you know, you can't give your inspirational message in 60 seconds. She has no chance but I have respect for her. And everyone out there, you know, you're misogynistic, not you John, well a little bit, you're misogynistic assholes and you should be called out on it. Just making fun of her, she's a witch, all that, okay, great. So anyway, now let's listen. So I would say that there's more interested in Marianne Williamson than they think, than we would expect, and I would say Pete Buttigieg appeals to them the most.

44:02 Well, that's a good guess. And it's probably wrong. All vary. So who won from both nights? Let's start with you. No one. Well, tonight no one won, but yesterday it was Julian Castro. I think Julian won for both nights because he was actually to show his personality and also his policy. I think Castro from last night, definitely, but Kamala Harris for tonight. But I would say overall, probably Castro would prevail. I think Secretary Castro stands out for both sides. Lex? I thought Castro did stand out during the last debate. I also thought Elizabeth Warren did a pretty good job. Pick one, between both nights. I liked Castro more just because I really wasn't expecting anything out of him, I guess you could say, and he stood out. During this debate, again, I thought Pete Buttigieg did a great job, and I also thought in his limited time speaking, Andrew Yang did a good job.

44:54 I actually think Kamala Harris won both nights of the debate. I think she showed herself to be able to battle another politician for clearly immoral policies in the past. I liked how she stood for something very clearly. And I also liked that she was a very strong speaker. She asserted herself. And that's something I want to see in a presidential candidate. Especially when they take on Trump. Hmm. No surprising. I did not expect Julian to to be such a front-runner I'm yeah, it was swept huh? And these are they're 18 to 21 year olds. Is that kind of the age range? They're probably twice a 20 years old to 20 yet 2021 I don't think is any 18 year freshman in there, but could be there, you know, they're in college types, right? Okay. Well

45:46 That's surprising. I think it was great that you brought up that thing about the segment of the section of the law that he wants to repeal, which means he's an open border guy. Totally. And they don't, these kids don't see that. They don't see it yet. And then it probably, they don't know what section 13, this is why he's saying section, let's repeal section 1325. no one is like whatever I'm sure it's something bleh no one looks up looks it up anymore so like that's why he's not saying we should open our borders that wouldn't work but to say repeal section 1325 oh I'm all in with that sounds like math let's do it

46:24 Andrew Yang was bitching and moaning and I think we need to deconstruct all he does well this is after this is his speaking to his constituents talking being like I'd like to add something there in my life No, no. It's the sort of thing where it's not like if you start talking, it all of a sudden takes over the convo. I was talking and nothing was happening. I was like, oh, fuck. So that happened a bit too. Yeah, it seems to be a problem with Andrew Yang, not just in the debate, but on this clip that you can't hear him. He claims that his mic was turned off. Oh, big controversy! They turned his mic off! And I went back and I looked. Here's the way it works.

47:11 When someone is talking, the engineer brings down all the other mics. You have to. He was not cut off by any means, I really analyzed it. You have to bring the mics down, otherwise you're going to hear, you know, you're going to, I almost said a you know, you're going to hear Bernie Sanders, you're going to hear Joe Biden. So they have to bring that down when someone's talking. When you want to... You did the perfect imitation of both of them. Thank you. I have to go back and analyze that to do more. When you... when you... so Gillibrand understood it very well. You have to... you have to pipe up and then the audio engineer will be like, oh crap, and then he'll push your mic up. Andrew Yang raises his hand and goes, no, your mic is not off. It's your level's low because you have no presence. Good point. Yeah, and he's bitching about it.

48:06 And then Beto, now here's Beto man, Beto is the best. He figured he'd go on down to the border, on the other side of the border and talk to some of the asylum seekers who now are requested to stay in Mexico while their request is processed, which is a good idea in my citizen opinion. Yeah, it's a great idea. Let them put him in cages. That's a good question. We should go see what kind of facilities they're in there. Here is what he had to say to them. We've got to remember that they are fleeing the deadliest countries on the face of the planet today, compounded by drought that was caused not by God, not by Mother Nature, but by us.

48:53 man-made climate change our emissions our excesses are in action in the face of the facts and the science when it is that deadly and when you're unable to grow your own food to feed yourself you have no choice but to come here okay now I get it you're living in this shantytown outside of you know some town in the middle of nowhere Guatemala you're not growing your own food kidding it's not everyone's a farmer but I'd like that you have no choice you got to come here Yeah, right. You have no choice. You gotta come here. Yeah, you got no choice because where else would you go? You can't go to Uruguay. You can't go to Venezuela. You can't go to Colombia where there's plenty of work. There's things to do there. Brazil, well, you can't speak Portuguese necessarily. Chile, I mean, there's all kinds of South American countries. Why don't you head south instead of north to English-speaking America, which makes no sense if you're Spanish-speaking. But okay.

49:48 They're just staying in Mexico. Well, I mean, geez, this is outrageous. If you speak Spanish and you're trying to, they're just bringing voters in. Well, if you speak Spanish and you watch US television from time to time, or you watch CNN or MSNBC, it's on satellite, all you see is our politicians speaking Spanish. So it's time to go. There was an interview with Stacey Abrams in this Metro, I don't know what newspaper it was and I would like to read one one question and answer. Many people thought you would be running. Is there still a possibility?

50:25 Her answer? It is. It's still something I'm considering. I have always said I want to. I think that certainly the fall is the deadline for making a decision and that is what I'm looking at. But you know, I will say that I will run if I believe there is value that I can add to the debate and add to the contest. and if I believe I can win. But I'm incredibly pleased with the caliber and quality of the candidates we have now, which is why I haven't thrown my name into the ring yet. She's running. She's running. Okay, let her run. I don't care. She's gonna be legendary.

51:01 and they'll be fantastic. That means I keep Hillary on the list. You've given me the rationale to keep Hillary on the list. Justice! That's right, it's justice. Now, well, you're going to bring her in there saying she's really impressed with everything. Let's listen to Van Jones whine about the debates. Van, I mean, is Cedric right that this that this will not have an impact? You know, I don't know, but it's hard for me to imagine that it won't. We're now sitting here with the Democratic frontrunner having a spokesperson trying to defend his comments on busing in 2019.

51:38 This is not good. Last night I was happy, happy, happy because I said I'm so proud to be a Democrat. Everybody's doing so great. If you had told me three hours ago that we would be sitting here trying to figure out how the Congressional Black Caucus can keep supporting Joe Biden, I would have said on what planet is that? But that's the planet that we're on. Listen, these debates matter. These debates matter. You got an extra... I'm hurt. I mean, I love Joe Biden. I think a lot of people love Joe Biden. Joe Biden stood by Barack Obama and defended him and made his case to people who didn't want to listen to him. And that's who Joe Biden is to us.

52:16 But there's something else going on. And I think Nia Malika was correct when she said maybe he already thinks he's woke, he's already there, and doesn't have to keep learning and growing. We all have to keep learning and growing on women's issues, on racial issues, on immigration issues. That's the whole point of the country. We try to become a more perfect union together, and we need Joe to lead us there, not be drugged there. This is a bad night for Joe Biden. It's a bad night for Democrats. He should have said bad night for democracy. It's a bad night for democracy. If he rethought it, he would have. Again, everyone taking it all so seriously, except for the actual setup of these debates. This is, I think it's rude. The way they've done it, the way that it's a clown show. It was the same with the Republicans when they had, you know, 20, what is it, 16, 17 people. This whole concept is... Yeah, but Trump knocked them out faster than they could regroup. Have we ever seen this type of

53:11 field where we have so many candidates. Now, you know, the debates used to be run differently on television. I believe it was the Yellow, the Women's League of Voters who ran it and then at a certain point they got, the Women League of Voters were so pissed off with how the Democrats and Republicans were manipulating to determine who gets on stage. Forget it if you're independent. Where's the independent debate? Oh, I'm sorry, it doesn't exist. There are plenty of independent candidates running. that they left, they said screw it we're not doing it anymore now it's just purely run by the DNC and the RNC. This is really a detractor to the democratic process. It's soundbite shit. It's not good. And then the guys who run the debates, the moderators, I've got one, this is a gaffe by the question, the questioner, one of these NBC guys,

54:10 Tell me if you can figure out what this gaffe is. That baits gaffe. Hold on. Yeah, got it. The Obama Biden administration deported more than 3 million Americans. My question to you is if an individual is living in the United States of America without documents and that is his only offense, should that person be deported? What is the gaffe part? Why are you smacking your lips? That's the timer, I'm sorry. I'm supposed to be a timer. It's not very well done. Yes, there's a gaffe in there. Let me listen to it again. The Obama-Biden administration deported more than 3 million Americans. I'm sorry. It took me a minute to get there. Yes. Yes, Americans aren't typically deported from their own country. Took me a moment.

55:08 I'll give you a borderline for that. That's worth it. I don't notice that anybody caught that. They were catching all these gaffes, but they never caught this gaffe because the Democrats in particular really think that these illegal immigrants, aliens, illegal aliens as we used to call them, are Americans. And that's what there's a thought process that goes on that makes them think that yes, Obama deported three million Americans and so nobody even took a second look at that question. And it passed right by me the first time too and of course I saw it during the debate. I did not catch it. Well, it's there you go. It's worked very well. And I guess America... And by the way, that was a question he read.

56:04 Yeah. So it was written that way. It's all very subtle propaganda. Well this is not subtle, but it's very effective and very dangerous because we definitely have, it slipped into our minds that everyone who lives here is an American. That citizenship is a different thing that may not even be important. You're American. Yeah, you're on the- I'm gonna play that one more time. The Obama-Biden administration deported more than 3 million Americans. My question to you is- That's fantastic. They're pre-Americans, I would say. Well, they're not even pre-Americans necessarily. Yeah, that's kind of sad that not only does that get said, but lots of people, including myself, don't even catch it.

56:55 Brainwashed knowing brainwashed women brain. I've been brainwashed brainwashed very brainwashed. That's why I'm glad we do the show Nobody brought it up in any of the news stories. I saw nobody know They'll go on off against Biden and his you know, the other gaff which was really no kind of just dubious But they won't mention this and this is the guys and they're reading it. Like I said, this is that should be that needs to be called out I mean we just did it but Sad Okay, I got one other thing maybe why well this is kind of a butt slamming Trump and butt slamming compilation Who's he butt slamming?

57:37 This is butt slamming Trump. Trump is a phony. Trump is a pathological liar and a racist, and that he lied to the American people during his campaign. He said he was going to stand up for working families. Well, President Trump, you're not standing up for working families when you try to throw 32 million people off their health care that they have and that 83 percent of your tax benefits go to the top 1% that's how we beat Trump we expose him for the fraud that he is. What does Donald Trump do? He says go back to where you came from that is not reflective of our America and our values and it's gotta end.

58:22 What President Trump has done is not only attack these children, not only demonize these immigrants, he is attacking a basic principle of America's moral core. We open our hearts to the stranger. But the worst thing President Trump has done, he's diverted the funds away from cross-border terrorism, cross-border human trafficking, drug trafficking, and gun trafficking, and he's given that money to the for-profit prisons. President Obama I think did a heck of a job to compare him to what what this guy's doing is absolutely I find immoral. This president though for immigrants there's nothing he will not do to separate a family cage a child or erase their existence.

59:09 There's nothing he won't do. That's right. He cages children. He'll do anything he can to cage his child. That's right. Where's one now? Quick! Grab a cage and put him in it. What I missed really, except for Marianne Williamson, no one had a visionary statement. No one had something that... No one said our country. This is my main pet peeve. Oh yeah. It's our country. Everyone says this country. It was just, where do you live? Do you live here? It's our country. Anyone who says our country gets high marks from me and I'd be open to voting for them. I can't vote for any of these people. You won't find too many in the Democratic Party. And the other thing is somebody pointed out there was not one American flag in the whole set. Oh, that's another good point.

59:57 Hmm. Was there a EU flag or a United Nations symbol? I think the EU flag would have been more appropriate with these guys. Well, with that I'd like to thank you for your courage for watching all that and making clips of it. And let's say in the morning to the man who put the C in American Citizen John C! In the morning to you Mr. Adam Curry, in the morning I strip to see boots and graffiti in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to the troll room, noagendastream.com and that's a... It's a good place to hang out during show times and there's lots of shows that are running on noagendastream.com so you can troll all of them. It's great! You know, we don't care. We want you to come in and troll. noagendastream.com Also, in the morning to our artists for episode 1150, 1,150 episodes, this is Bear Asked Godzilla.

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1:04:14 I don't know, maybe. All I know is that maybe she's a fan of these sweaters. You know there's a big controversy in the knitting community. About these sweaters? No, no, no, about anyone who supports Trump. They get kicked out of the... It's true! That's true! True, it's true. Tina's been following this. This is the knitting community. The knitting community! They're kicking people out for not denouncing him. Oh, you have to denounce the knitting community. Yes, the knitting community getting all up in the grill. So does she want anything for the round table? She mentioned nothing, but maybe we should throw the sweater she can't eat. So I don't know if she'll get a free sweater. No, she did not mention anything for the round table and so we'll just assume she's happy with what's there already. Okay, well I have hookers and blow and some rent boys and chardonnay. I don't know if she wants that. No, I'll have a nice little selection ready for her.

1:05:07 Good anyway congratulations to her thank you very much to see you at the at the ceremony is sincere she's like I know what she does for a living and she's in a community of artists that will be advised will be in the knitting community thank you for pointing that out I know that we're not going to say what but we know what she does. And when she says, I don't know how I'd stay sane without you, I think she really means you, John, but maybe the show. I think the show. It's really the show because we break down stuff that she's hearing all the time in this community of artists and it's not it's just unpleasant to be around these these people that have these swollen amygdalas and they hate Trump more than they love their work. And if you ask me that's the stuff I get up for in the morning. If I can hear once during each show someone says you keep me sane, you keep me going because of what you do, that's that's why I'm still here.

1:06:09 And I'm, yeah. John is apparently... No, I'm looking for the other card which I moved while I was digging around. Oh no, oh no. Thank you Anonymous Lesbian. We will see you as I said at the round table for your $341 donation. Anonymous in Virginia is next, our second executive producer. Yes, Anonymous in Virginia, wink wink, hopefully. We don't know if it's really important Virginia money or not, but it's $300. Another card, coincidentally, two cards, this one here shows a some Renoir, not a Renoir but I forgot the guy who did all the paintings of the ballerinas. Matisse? No, the ballerina guy. The ballerina guy.

1:06:52 He did pastels, but anyway, I should know. You should know. Please keep me in the... What? Who? You should know. No, somebody in the chat room should know, you'd think. And I do know, I just, for some reason, it doesn't come to me. Please keep up the... Please keep me anonymous. Thank you for your hard work. Imagine this is how Trump picks up comely blondes for his rallies. Just give me a brief... Are you thinking Monet? Is that who you're thinking? No, it's not Monet. Monet was... He does the ballerinas. Okay, I am going to take it. We're gonna go check the book of knowledge or I'm gonna actually check that.

1:07:30 Degas? Ballerina. Edgar Degas. Degas. Thank you, Troll Room. I knew somebody in there would know. He did mostly pastels and he did a few oils, but mostly pastels of these ballerinas. He used to hang out. Everyone called him a horny old fart that would go and hang out with ballerinas in the rehearsal rooms and just do Do drawings of all these little girls and now it's considered fine art of the centuries wait, that's considered fine art But now it's pedophilia. Oh, yeah. Okay. You can't look at anymore got it. So anyway, so this how Chinese got a picture here It's a pretty funny card actually and he says thanks and that's that and so he's in for 300 now you want to thank you very much He got highlighted as a knight, but I don't think he is. No, he's not highlighted. Oh, it is on mine No, it's gray

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1:09:49 Please no agenda show spread your magic and help me to glitch the algos trust open the climate gates and let me in request follow the elgos climate gate jobs karma. Yeah so. He followed up with me, so we don't have to talk much about it, but he wrote an email, and he needs a deducing actually because he's never donated before, which is how he started his initial email to you. But people have to understand that

1:10:26 A lot of how people send notes to us when they have a correction or... You have it down. You even have their voices down. Well, I'm not gonna do it in this case because the text, the way he just wrote it, was just rude. You know, and then a follow-up. In the note, in the note, not in this note. No, no, no, in the note, and then a follow-up after you said, hey, you know, screw this, don't follow up. Then it's like, oh, I can see you. Sorry, your de-platforming from PC Magazine has you all up in arms! You know, like, really, really, really rude, hurtful things. And I don't know, it's an approach.

1:11:07 And, you know, like everybody, you can catch someone with an approach and it's just you come off as a dick and patronizing and really over something quite minute other than that, you know, apparently there's an entire community, surprise, surprise of earth scientists who disagree with your mudflats theory because that's ultimately what this whole thing was about. Yeah, he claimed that the mudflats are always here because of a buildup of silt And it doesn't mean anything that apparently the water's going way up, although I pointed out to him that there is a roadway right next to the mud flats that's not going up because of silt. It's built on ground.

1:11:50 Well, you know, you didn't get his reply to that because he had graphs and charts. I know he had graphs and charts and showed how it's increased one millimeter per year for the last 60 years and I actually got into it with him after you blocked him. I'm like, hey, how do you measure that? How do you measure one millimeter of the mudflat sea level or whatever? And his reply was, I'm not quite sure what instrument they use, but they've been doing this in 1800s. That's when my eyes glaze over. It's like, oh fine. How do you make... satellites, Space Force, I don't know. It's fine. But regardless, we're wrong, you're wrong, you're old, you're full of shit, and here's $230. Thank you very much. Somehow that's how this all ended. It was very sad. Magic. Ultimately a very sad

1:12:41 Sad ending to this said yeah, I don't like that you blocked that you block people on Twitter Okay, but when you block someone on email if that is also very harsh just don't respond No, here's the thing. I get too much email and so I don't need the aggravation and I don't respond You still see the email you open it because it's got an interesting title. I don't like getting a bunch of stuff that is just not something I'm interested in. I'm not interested in it. And I'm not interested in constantly being harangued by certain people. Where the email, email, it starts coming in, especially if you respond once, you know, the next thing you know, you got another and another and another. You get into a dialogue. I do not like a dialogue by email. I'm not interested. I usually tell people, I don't,

1:13:32 I don't argue for free with people on email or Twitter. I do a show and that's where we try to do our best work. It's like, I'm not here for your enjoyment, so just email me back and forth. I love hearing from people who are smarter than me. But an actual, you can't have an argument on e-text. I actually have some emails to read today that are people that are smarter than me or you. Well, first let's take care of this. And I totally appreciate that he donated because that would be the first thing. Yeah, you've gone through college. You have the master's sorry I had no money to donate uh-huh so he donated and that's appreciated It's not it doesn't fix everything But thank you very much. Here's what you asked for. You've been deduced. All over the elgos. Elgos. All over the elgos. Elgos. All over the elgos. Following the elgos. All over the elgos. Elgos. To the gate, to the gate, to the silent gate.

1:14:26 Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. There we go. There you go. It's all good. I guess what he, the main thing, just to finish this up, is that he's been trying to play, to hit people in the mouth at his university or his job, wherever he is. It's Earth Scientist. And he's able to turn everybody on to different podcasts, but never ours because of the Mudflats segment. And it's worse. And if he's wrong about the Mudflats, how can we believe what he says about 5G?

1:15:10 Yeah, that's logic. Yeah, anyway. Oh, I know, I'm looking, let me see. Yep, they're still there. Anyway, thank you very much, Jay. Apparently everything's rising. Okay, Albert Peter Juergen Verheij. Verheij. Verheij. Verheij. 222-22. Some serious poop donation for the Gitmo Nation from the friends from Gitmo Nation East, close to Amster shitty damn. Keep up all the cleaning work which needs to be done. Hold on a second. Is there an issue we need to be alerted to in Amsterdam? Are they pooping on the streets? I don't think so.

1:15:53 I was there for Queens Day or whatever they call that. Yeah, it was a long time ago, John. Things have changed since then. But there was a woman peeing on the street. Okay, but we're talking about now, we're talking about this pooping phenomenon and maybe there's something we're missing. I know it's become quite nasty in general. I don't think it's going on in Amsterdam. I think, well, there's people pissing in mailboxes. Men, I should say. All right. Thank you very much. Who's got these men? How old are they old enough to drink? How tall? How tall? I don't know. I don't know. Sir Julian's last on the list. 200 bucks. Sir Julian here. I just returned from a trip to Guadalajara where I was offered Eskimo. Oh, yeah. Eskimo. That's what I had my banker dinner. It's the ant the ant larvae larvae, the ant eggs.

1:16:53 At a high-end restaurant. No way am I passing that on... passing on that it was delish. The small donation puts me... Wait, wait, wait, stop. We can't just let someone say delish and pass over that. He said delish. You can't say that. I wonder if he also says merch. I'd like some ant merch because it's delish. You know, there's a number of podcasts... You're saying you know. That sell merch. You're saying you know a lot, John. I think I've infected you. Then this must be me! I think so. I think he's wrong. I think you're the one that's saying it. Okay, well thanks for calling me out on it, you know. The small donation puts me past Earl. If it pleases the peerage committee, I'd like to be known as Sir Julian Earl of the South Bay and Autonomous Cars. Sounds good to me. That sounds good.

1:17:47 On the naming rights for the studio, I once found myself surrounded by dozens of accountants and CPAs from competing accounting firms at a dueling piano bar, not Sir Jeff's. In addition to throwing bread in a jar to get a song played, stairway to heaven's always a good idea, they had a running gag at the bar where for a price, the staff would write on a huge chalkboard behind the pianos the phrase of your choice. It would stay up there until somebody paid more to usurp. After some time and some libations, these warring firms went back and forth taunting each other via the blackboard to the tune of thousands per message.

1:18:34 This is actually a very interesting idea. I don't know how it would work for the studio. Provided the name or phrase made it past the No Agenda Ethics Committee, I'd love to see that name good for one year unless usurped by $1,000 greater than the last naming. By the end of the year, it would be comically large and then drop to a deep discount on the next show. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it, Sir Julian. I'm against all of these ideas. I like the idea of having a bar. Oh yeah, a bar is fantastic, but not a show with value for value. It's a whole different thing, but I appreciate the thinking. You know, theoretically you're correct. Yes, I come here for different reasons. I just like this bidding war idea for this something to say something stupid. Yeah, it would become clownish. Yeah, and it's not really our model.

1:19:29 But I appreciate the thanking and appreciate the fact that he's supporting the show. That's what it's about. That's how you become an associate executive producer, which is a credit which is valuable and you can use to taunt people with, to show it. Excuse me, I'm in show business. Check it out. I'm associate executive producer of the No Agenda Show, episode 1151, or executive producer. We had two of them today. Do we have any more? Is that our list? No, that's it. I want to thank these folks for supporting the show 1151 with their producerships and we did have a lousy turnout overall. The show was saved by the anonymous lesbian.

1:20:09 Anonymous in Virginia. Well actually all of our execs here. Anonymous in Virginia, whoever that might be. Yeah, it's gonna be a very short second segment today. Yes, we did very poorly. It finished the month of June as expected, poorly. June swooned. Yes. All right disappointing. We'll be thanking more people $50 and above in our second segment Anything that comes in we always appreciate it love to have these diehards here and as I said my heart is filled Thank you very much anonymous lesbian for the things you said in addition to your donation We'll be back here for another show on Thursday. You can support us by going to the vorac.org Slash and a you probably have enough now to go out there

1:20:52 there and hit everybody in the mouth when it comes to what happened during the beach. You need to propagate! Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. We started this show 11 years ago really for ourselves initially. It was about 20 minutes long. We'd chat back and forth. About I was in London mainly at the time or I would there was no show. It was a Skype call I think we kind of found that there was an interesting Thing to talk about and we both hold the belief that pretty much all media is advertising

1:21:46 And as we started to deconstruct news, deconstruct what was taking place at the time, we had in the European Union, I was in London, so we were looking at the Lisbon Treaty and finding out that what people were saying on television about how great this would be. This is only 11 years ago and now you can see, I guess we were kind of right. We said, hey, this is not going to be so great and they're not telling you everything and it's not just about the same money which has a lot of problems by itself, which you're not being told. And then the true freedom of movement, which you really don't have, but no passports. And so I think we kind of morphed into, for ourselves more than anything, to provide mental tools, tools.

1:22:33 to understand media and really stay healthy. How to stay safe from these constant barrage of propaganda and just attacks on you, trying to manipulate you into believing things that really aren't true. Is that a fair representation of how we evolved in the beginning? Also, it's not just the media that does it. The media minions, which are the people that read and believe the media, end up creating a huge force A 1984 style force, which reminds me, a 1984 force of the public itself.

1:23:09 Pounds on people I mean you see in certain areas where this where it's inundated like the Bay Area for example where everybody's Hates Trump, and you wear a red. Yes hat yeah, I got my new hat I'd mentioned that I guess too. Oh, I also got the Maxine waters gravel I got my hat and I got my grab my gravel. I got a gravel some time ago. Yeah, I know I had to go to my PO box I Oh, I see. Yeah, the gravel. And by the way, what's interesting about the gavel is it's got a thing that you can pound your little... Yes, which I pounded once and it dented right away. Not mine. I tried to dent it. Mine dented right away. Really? Because mine, I'm pounding it, I'm thinking, what is this wood that won't dent? Well, also, not only the gravel,

1:23:57 But the two hats are all made in China, which I think makes the hats extra valuable. They're made in China, but they're not even felt. They're not even good. It's like a cloth hat. They're really poorly made. It's a sheep. cheap hat with a little American flag on the side. It's fantastic. It is the perfect representation of this time. There will be someone who finds this hat. Cheap, shiny red hat. That says, Make America Great Again. Well, it says, Keep America Great. That's the one, the new one. Oh, I didn't get that. I got the two Make Americas. I didn't get a Keep America Great. Oh, I got the Keep America Great and it's a cheap cloth hat. Anyway, so, and we really did this for ourselves more than anything, certainly in the beginning.

1:24:40 You know, it just, oh man, look at this bullcrap, look at what they're selling. And I think that over time... As well she has grousing. Yeah, but when you hear now, 1100 episodes, 1151 episodes later, you hear the anonymous lesbian who has quite standing in the artistic community saying, without you guys, I would be going nuts. She would. Okay, so this is important. Somehow what we're doing is caught on. We're helping lots of people. But there's... So I have a little presentation to make. And it's really about advertising because over the past few weeks

1:25:26 And we've done stuff, you know, we've mentioned brand safety, we've mentioned how important advertising is to Silicon Valley, and a large person of our producing audience is very disappointed and angry. that we refuse to admit and wake up and open our eyes to the fact that it's crazy leftist douchebags who are censoring the right! And we have a little different take on it and I realized that we need to go back to our original roots and unveil a few things about advertising because ever since the the banner ad

1:26:15 There's been this, which by the way became very, it became almost worthless very quickly. Yeah, it wasn't, it was quickly in terms of like the long-term scheme of things, but it was a very effective product for probably two to three years. Right, right. And then it became ineffective. That's because people stopped looking at them. Exactly. Because that is not true brand advertising. It's why they call it display advertising. And it's not really what advertising is in the true sense of the word of how you manipulate someone into purchasing something or believing in something. Political camp. Can I give you a little insight into this? I don't know if you want me to do this now or later. Sure, go ahead. So the banner ad was largely invented by two guys out of Ziff Davis.

1:27:05 who went over to work for CNET. And they kind of invented the banner ad and how it worked and how they're gonna present it. And it was new when they started at CNET. I was one of the early people at CNET myself. And they were getting $100 per thousand. Whoa! For at least two years. So that's good. So let's just we got to do it all here. That's a CPM cost per mil They always like to have some French words in there so they can be hoity-toity. So you don't understand. Well CPM means cost per thousand. All right, so if they had a thousand

1:27:45 views, a thousand people saw that ad, which became controversial soon thereafter, you'd get a hundred bucks. Okay. Yeah. But that devolved down to 16, 15 cents by the time, by the time, by the time Yahoo was big. It started at a hundred dollars. Yeah. So then we got cost per clicks and we got click throughs and then we don't have to belabor all of these things because ultimately brand advertising, branding, that is what it's been about since, I would say since forever but really with television and and video is really where brand advertising became what real advertising is where the real money is and if the advertisers I've said in the United States is God the advertiser controls everything controls what you eat what you drive who you love what you love who you vote for if the advertiser is God the brand is

1:28:43 is Jesus. And this is going to tie into deplatforming, but I'm really not that interested. I want to explain, I want us to help you understand true brand advertising, what it's about, because when you understand that, if you're pissed off about deplatforming, I'm personally not because I don't use the platforms, this will show you how to stop it and who to go after. Because going after Google and Twitter and Facebook is futile and stupid because they're not really the problem. And let's go back before Trump arrived on the scene. In 2013-14, we had big problems with advertising on YouTube mainly for one reason. Terrorism videos. There was no, it wasn't like political discourse. There was no one trying to shut down the right or the left. The problem that Silicon Valley companies had was with terrorism videos. Then

1:29:43 2017 now all of a sudden we have a real problem because of Cambridge Analytica and it became about privacy and what are these people doing with your data and you can see all of the Silicon Valley company stocks started a tank. It was a big problem. That somehow morphed into it's Trump, Trump is toxic, everything Trump has got to go. I want to take us to the core of how, and this is biology, how successful brands are successful with their messaging. And I'm going to use Apple as an example, and the old Apple as you'll see in a moment. What is the difference between a brand like Apple, a computer company, and any other brand? And there's this guy called Simon Sineks.

1:30:34 He's a motivational speaker. He's written books on the subject, but he really takes the core essence that is only understood by a few, by few legends in the advertising business, how great brand advertising works. He's going to do this. He's actually going to use Apple as an example. The three questions for any company or any entity really is why, how, and why? and what? Listen to this and then I'll be able to apply this to what's happening today. Why is Apple so innovative? Year after year after year after year, they're more innovative than all their competition. And yet they're just a computer company. By the way, this is a 10-year-old TED talk. The audio shit clears up a little bit later on, but it's enough to understand what's going on. They're just like everyone else. They have the same access to the same talent, the same agencies, the same consultants, the same media.

1:31:24 then why is it that they seem to have something different? As it turns out, there's a pattern. As it turns out, all the great and inspiring leaders and organizations in the world, whether it's Apple or Martin Luther King or the Wright Brothers, they all think, act, and communicate the exact same way, and it's the complete opposite to everyone else. I call it the Golden Circle. Why? How? What? This little idea explains why some organizations and some leaders are able to inspire where others aren't. Let me define the terms really quickly. Every single person, every single organization on the planet knows what they do 100%.

1:32:04 Some know how they do it. Whether you call it your differentiating value proposition or your proprietary process or your USP. But very, very few people or organizations know why they do what they do. And by why I don't mean to make a profit. That's a result. It's always a result. By why I mean what's your purpose? What's your cause? What's your belief? Why does your organization exist? If Apple were like everyone else, A marketing message from them might sound like this. We make great computers. They're beautifully designed, simple to use, and user-friendly. Want to buy one? Meh. And that's how most of us communicate. That's how most marketing is done, that's how most sales are done, and that's how most of us communicate interpersonally. We say what we do, we say how we're different or how we're better, and we expect some sort of behavior, a purchase, a vote, something like that. Here's how Apple actually communicates.

1:33:00 Everything we do, we believe in challenging the status quo. We believe in thinking differently. The way we challenge the status quo is by making our products beautifully designed, simple to use, and user-friendly. We just happen to make great computers. Want to buy one? Totally different, right? You're ready to buy a computer from me. All I did was reverse the order of the information. What it proves to us is that people don't buy what you do, people buy why you do it. People don't buy what you do, they buy why you do it. This explains why every single person in this room

1:33:37 It's perfectly comfortable buying a computer from Apple. But we're also perfectly comfortable buying an MP3 player from Apple, or a phone from Apple, or a DVR from Apple. But as I said before, Apple's just a computer company. There's nothing that distinguishes them structurally from any of their competitors. Their competitors are all equally qualified to make all of these products. In fact, they tried. Dell came out with MP3 players and PDAs. Yikes! And they make great quality products, and they can make perfectly well-designed products. And nobody bought one. In fact, talking about it now, we can't even imagine buying an MP3 player from Dell. Why would you buy an MP3 player from a computer company? But we do it every day. People don't buy what you do, they buy why you do it. The goal is not to do business with everybody who needs what you have. The goal is to do business with people who believe what you believe. The goal is to do business with people who believe what you believe.

1:34:32 And this has been proven many, many times that this works. And the troll room is very interesting, by the way. A lot of people really know what they're talking about. And so they're all making trolly jokes. Let me just tell you... So this can really come down to a mission statement. So if we look at... You should be in a trolley car. The mission statement of Apple when Steve Jobs was still alive was this. To make a contribution to the world by making tools for the mind that advance humankind. That was their mission statement. Here's Apple's mission statement today, and that may kind of show you why people are walking away from the brand. I was a Apple believer. I never slept in line for an iPhone, but I got one pretty quick, and I was a Mac fanboy.

1:35:21 And that somehow that started to go away and you know and even though the products have never been fantastically perfect, they've always had flaws, I got sick and tired of it. Here's Apple's mission statement today as of 2019. Where'd you get it? Right from their website. Okay. Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OSX, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store and is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices with iPad.

1:36:00 Yeah, that's not inspirational and I think to say the least let's look at Google's mission statement. Google's and people say don't be evil. No that wasn't their mission statement. Their mission statement still is to organize the world's information and make it universally acceptable and useful. Meh, not all that great. Facebook In early 2017 the Facebook corporate mission was to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected. That's changed. They've changed the mission statement. It is now to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together. So they've removed the open part and the connected and so you know they've changed that. Twitter is the one that really got me.

1:36:54 Twitter's original mission statement to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers Do you think there's a problem with what Twitter originally sold to us and what it is right now? Yeah, because clearly they have barriers. In fact, they've changed their mission statement. Their mission statement is now a Reach the largest daily audience in the world by connecting everyone to their world via our information sharing and distribution platform products and be one of the top revenue generating internet companies in the world How inspirational how inspirational is that? Huh? Let me give you an example of an inspirational message versus one. That's not inspirational inspirational Make America great again

1:37:47 Not inspirational. I'm with her this should have light bulbs going off in in people's heads so brands want to be Inspirational they want to be a part of a movement they want to have people who believe in them some brands most actually Don't really have that message anymore if they ever had it and so they go and look for inspiration such as during Pride Month I mean has Budweiser ever had some inspirational message about LGBTQ is their product has it ever been inspirational for sexuality no, so they've they've they jumped on board and

1:38:33 Everyone's on board. Oh, Ikea. Oh, Walmart. Everybody has pride flags. It's completely disingenuous. And brands started walking away from anything Trump. The silence is deafening. Major brands are avoiding Trump even as he promotes them from the White House. You recall he had Chick-fil-A and Burger King and McDonald's for the... what team was it that came to visit him? John I forgot the football team. Yeah, they won the Super Bowl. It'd be the Patriots exactly So here's a bit from marketing week that explains why brands are

1:39:20 These days are taking a political stand brands Advertisers not Silicon Valley companies brands are taking political stands There is absolutely an appetite for Brands to have a point of view on social issues, but it is a really dangerous area there is more consumers who are likely to be turned off by the idea or to be cynical towards the idea than those who are actually going to embrace it and that finding the right social issue to really match with your consumer group and be aware of the negative impacts that it's going to have is going to be key. So you see this is where the brands are going. They're trying to find things where their people are and then it's like identity politics only it's for

1:40:08 brands who like to advertise towards these groups, but they're not really inspirational. That is no longer part of the equation. And this is why on television, let's just be very clear, this is not just on the internet, on television brands have run away from Fox News. They've run away from Sean Hannity, from Laura Ingraham, from Tucker Carlson, and these shows will have to go away if advertisers continue to stay away. And to show you how this works, we had this happen just a Just two days ago, Megan Rapinoe of Team USA, you know I'm a big fan of the women's soccer, and you've probably seen this little video where she's asked about the success they have. They're now in the semi-finals, so are the Dutch girls, and they'll probably go to the White House. Are you excited about going to the White House? I'm not going to the fucking White House. No, I'm not going to the White House. We're not going to be invited. You're not going to be invited? I doubt it.

1:41:09 So, not going to the fucking White House, everyone's like, oh she's great, she fucked Trump, not going to the fucking White House. Why is she saying this? It's completely on brand for her. What is she wearing? She's wearing a Nike swoosh. She's wearing a Nike uniform. The whole team is sponsored by Nike. Nike hates Trump. Nike sponsored Colin Kaepernick. So this is on-brand, this is advertising. It may not even be her personal feeling about the topic, but it's on-brand from her sponsor. That is what she is supposed to say. She could never say anything else with that Nike logo. Just so you understand...

1:41:52 digital advertising in the United States... By the way, this is also true of the basketball teams. Absolutely and feel free to jump in whenever you have something. 107 billion dollars was spent on digital advertising in 2018. That is an unbelievable amount of money and a huge majority of that some say up to 90 billion is really going to two or three companies. This has surpassed television advertising. Television advertising is stuck somewhere around 60 or 70 billion dollars. This year, or 2020, according to the Wall Street Journal, 10 billion dollars will be spent on political advertising. The billion number flies around a lot, but that is an incredible amount of money.

1:42:45 Now let's get into the issues that these brand companies have with right-wing conservative talk because that's really what we're talking about. These are the people being deplatformed, thrown off of Twitter, YouTube, etc. demonetized. I know that we've asserted and you know the mantra is this is about brand advertising. They don't want anything that is toxic. Trump and conservatism has become toxic. That's the example right there. Nike. And it's not an online example, but it goes for all brand advertising. This is from a webinar, which I watched for it, a lot of work on this, delivering trust in advertising online, specifically brand safety. It's a webinar, so it's not that dynamic, but the information is good. Every brand has their own unique positioning, their own target audience, their own set of brand values. And really the brand safety protections that they enable should be reflective of all of that.

1:43:41 So while we certainly can come up with, you know, sort of a generic definition of brand safety as a practice, you know, what's really critical is that every company address how they're going to implement protection that's in line, you know, with their own products and positioning. Brand safety can absolutely have a bottom line impact. There's a 2000 17 report that says 85% of brand marketers are making a priority the improvement of their brand safety positioning in digital media. And why are they doing this? This isn't.

1:44:20 Simply an issue about the performance of their ad spend. This is a much broader issue. Companies spend substantially on ensuring that consumers have a positive experience. across all their interactions with the brand. They spend it on products and packaging. They spend it on service and support, and they spend it on even potentially the causes or charities that they sponsor. And every time there's a poor online ad placement that is not aligned with the brand positioning, yes, absolutely, it wastes part of the media spend

1:45:05 But it also damages at that brand equity that they're trying to build up through their entire product and service portfolio. And this is really why we see and why that study shows that six out of seven brand marketers have prioritized the improvement of brand safety in their digital ads. The statistics that we see here are that the threat of brand safety presents a threat to digital ad budgets. So whether you're a content creating publisher, whether you're an ad delivery platform, whether you're a media buying agency,

1:45:43 All of these participants in the digital ecosystem are, you know, tied to the performance of digital ad budgets and why every participant in the digital ecosystem has to pay attention to and help facilitate effective brand safety protection. Now you understand why it's a big deal. Because there's a hundred million hundred billion dollars a year and if there's a fuck-up with something that does not give the brand a good positive experience or if there's a mismatch it takes Oh directly away from the budgets. I'm not saying it this is the advertising industry who allows use a lot of buzzwords, but it's true and

1:46:25 So we had the big freakout in 2017. YouTube hit with another ad scandal. Procter & Gamble leaving the platform. Giant advertiser Unilever threatens to pull its ads from Facebook and Google over toxic content. Advertisers fleeing YouTube to avoid directly funding creators of hate. YouTube struggles with advertiser versus conservative voices conflict. Big tech helps advertisers avoid unvetted user generated content. They were freaking out. Billions of dollars were leaving Silicon Valley platforms. So they had only one way to go. They had to immediately stop anything that is toxic to the brands.

1:47:08 So 2019, we had the Big Con Festival, it's where all the advertisers go, the Lions Festival, and they came up with their group and the main theme of 2019 was brand safety. I have a couple clips here, this is the CEO of WPP, the largest advertising entity in the world. What are their annual billings, John? They've got to be 50 billion. I don't know what they are, but they bought everybody. 50 billion dollars at least, and they are in charge of spending it in Silicon Valley. His name is Mark Reed and we're going to listen to him speaking about brand safety and his concerns. So one of the things that you're here discussing at the Lions is this new alliance focused on brand safety. Why is this so important for you and for your clients? Well it's critical for our clients. You know when I talk to our clients they're really concerned about the platforms on which their messages are received. They want them to be in brand safe platforms, they're responsible

1:48:09 So we're really working with Google, Facebook, Twitter. We brought 16 advertisers together, all of the major holding companies. We launched it this morning at the WP Beach and it's really an initiative to bring those people together for collective action to make sure the platforms are safe places for our clients to reach their consumers. So lay out for me what this brand safety issue has done to advertisers on YouTube and Facebook. Are these no longer considered safe platforms for brands? I think the first issue was, are our clients' messages appearing alongside content that they shouldn't be? And I think clients are very clear that they don't want that to happen, and I think the platforms have done not a bad job at taking down most of the content that concerns them. They've probably made

1:48:56 you know, better progress with terrorist linked images and others, but they made good progress on that. I think what Council can start with next is making sure the platforms overall are safe, not just where their content is, but all of the content. So I think it's really a industry initiative that we need to push forward much harder. Yes, they need to push it forward much harder and they push very hard because these guys own Silicon Valley with a lot of money. We have robust discussions with Facebook, you know, we spend eight billion dollars across Google and Facebook. I just repeat that we spend eight billion dollars across Google and Facebook per year one advertising conglomerate. There's another one called Omnicom just a little bit smaller, but the same size. This guy owns these bitches.

1:49:54 on Thursday here in Cannes or Callan Everson, I think they would admit that they need to do more. So I think there's a general acceptance and I think there's a degree of frustration that we're in this position, but a desire to make progress. What are the other platforms that you think could be powerful third players to that digital duopoly? Is it Amazon? Is it Snap? Is it Twitter? Who is the rising force that we should be paying attention to? I don't know, my feeling is Snap is coming back.

1:50:47 We've talked about them and their advertising capability. They track more people than than Facebook and Twitter combined They're not at Google's level, but they're getting damn close and they have the talking to you remember So they have a lot of data about people and the platforms are worried about Amazon. Why is snapchat? Why is snap interesting? Because the messages are deleted. That's why there's nothing that hangs around that can be seen as something bad for the brand And we couldn't see it brand guy the message is auto deleted. I don't know where it went if you like. It's you know, it's snapped back There's a lot more confidence in the organization and I think they're getting more traction with their target audience clearly the reach is not as big as Facebook and Google and

1:51:28 But there are new players coming out and I think we have to be really interested to see what happens from the East. ByteDance, the Chinese company that own TikTok, are here in Cannes in a big way for the first time. So there's continued innovation. I think the lesson of all industries is that competition does drive innovation. So I think the more competition there is, the better it will be and the more diversity of view. I mean, that's clearly a good thing. So that they have this they put together this big alliance and they created a Group where they now talk about everything they need and they've created something called the brand safety floor framework Advertising assurance and it's a PDF I have it in the show notes and these are the things that are not possible for them to advertise in or around and

1:52:17 And I will go straight to hate speech and acts of aggression because they have adult and explicit sexual content, arms and ammunition. Oh, let me do that one since we're some Second Amendment believers here. Promotion and advocacy of sales of illegal arms, rifles, and handguns, instructive content on how to obtain, make, distribute, or use illegal arms, glamorization of arms for purpose to harm others, use of illegal arms in unregulated environments, crimes, crime and harmful acts to individuals and society and human rights violations. So you cannot have any content on your platform that has graphic promotion, advocacy and depiction of willful harm, actual unlawful criminal activity.

1:53:02 which we know is available everywhere, hate speech and acts of aggression. Unlawful acts of aggression based on race, nationality, ethnicity, religious affiliation, gender or sexual image or preference, behavior or commentary that incite such hateful acts including bullying. This is no longer accepted for the eight billion dollars this guy spends in Silicon Valley. Promotion and advocacy of tobacco and e-cigarettes, vaping and alcohol use to minors. Now you gotta wonder about why some of this legislation was coming up about getting rid of it. And then finally my favorite, sensitive social issues slash violations of human rights. Disrespectful and harmful treatment of sensitive social topics, examples, abortion, extreme political positions.

1:53:58 Acts, language and gestures deemed illegal not otherwise outlined in this framework such as harm to self or animal cruelty. Targeted harassment of individuals and groups. That's right from Twitter's TOS. Targeted harassment of individuals and groups. Anything. Anything like this and the brand walks away. So when you think that Silicon Valley are filled with a bunch of leftist douchebags who just want to silence conservative voices, yes, of course they are. Of course now that it's handy for them, they're leftist douchebags. I think John, we could both say that these people were more right-wing capitalist fuckwads before all that, before Obama.

1:54:41 They were real, I mean they were hippies, but they were all about money and capitalism and all that went out the door. There were libertarian right-wingers. Libertarian, okay. So... They were all in on Atlas Shrugged. Yeah, exactly! Thank you very much. Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand, exactly. And that was 2007, 2008. And that changed. Now, Or has it? messaging big brands and saying, oh, do you know that this brand is advertising on blah blah blah, who's a Nazi, right wing, alt-right, fake news, blah blah blah. And the brands all immediately go, oh, we'll take it off. So yeah, of course it's the- Well, let's back this thesis up. I mean, I'm not gonna argue with you. Personally, I don't think the laundry list of bad things is a bad thing.

1:55:52 To be honest about it, if I was an advertiser, I don't want my advertising showing up against some certain kinds of people that are bitching and moaning about whatever. But this really goes back a couple of steps because if you go back to the 60s and 70s, it was the right wing pressure groups, these family operations, especially in the 70s that were pressuring advertisers to get away from certain messages that were left wing. And it was Media Matters and the others who took the cue from the right-wingers on how to do it, and they just do it better. Yeah. So that means... You're making my point for me. It doesn't matter who's doing it. I think you're making your point. And what that means is that, which I think you would agree with,

1:56:40 If the left wing took the cue from the right wing and did it better, that means the right wing can up their game. Exactly. And do it better than the left wing in media matters and really take it to another level and quash what's been going on currently, which is what looks like a purge of people like Paul Watson. You know, the other people who are actually to me humorists in their cynicism. But yeah, this is a real interesting situation. And by the end it also backs up your thesis.

1:57:17 the fact that this is the reason why this show is done the way it's done, even though we don't, and because I look at those money numbers too, and I say, you know, if the two of us put together some operation that was just designed to exploit that money flow, we wouldn't be able to do anything we're doing on this show. None of it. But we could do something that would work, And it could exploit the money flowing, especially since we've already worked on that over at Mevio. And you've seen how people have done a better job of it with different approaches. It could be done. But again, nothing that we're talking about on this show could ever be done. And that's why we need the support of our listeners. A little too early on the pitch. I was getting there. I just have a few minutes. Sorry. I liked it. I liked it. I liked it a lot. The pitch was good. So the point is,

1:58:11 If you need to go after the big brands, they will buckle. They're incredibly afraid. But there is no organization, well there's organization, everyone's organizing around, you know, Tim Pool. If Tim Pool, Tim Cass, if he went out and said, hey, you know Gillette, the best a man can get? Which they changed their slogan to the best a man can be, it was a failure. It was a failure, their sales went down after that. If Tim Pool or you know and anyone else who you know I don't know, Stephan Molyneux, all these guys if they all got together and said you know what Gillette screw you I'm going with Harry's razor. I am boycotting Gillette. You want to see how fast things happen? Get your voice out there. You want to see people being brought back onto the platform? Thank you for bringing that up John.

1:59:03 It doesn't matter if it's left or right, because when it was the right doing it, they did the same thing. They're chicken shit. They are so worried about their perceived brand. We want people to believe in us, but people don't believe in them anymore because they don't have that brand why anymore. It's identity politics for advertising. It's absolutely no surprise that during Pride Month, the month of June, we have massive de-platforming because of discourse over gender, over sex, over homosexuality, people having conversations, left, right, angry. Oh my God, we have all our money in the pride flag. We got anyone who's saying anything horrible, Stephen Crowder, go away. Do you start to see the picture? You've got to go after the advertisers and not after these platforms. You're wasting your time.

1:59:51 So then people say well, what about reddit? What about the Donald? What about that? Well Isn't it interesting that reddit in May? Hired a former Twitter and Google advertising executive to build their brand advertising business Her name is Mary Ann Belliveau and she is here being interviewed with the Reddit chief operating officer Jen Wong and they have a unique proposition to brands. This is very interesting. They have something that no one else has. Twitter and YouTube and Google and Facebook, oh we've got AI, AI will stop all the bad talk. Well we know that's failing. Reddit has a different idea. Mary Ann, your role in regards to brand sponsorships, what's going to be the strategy there for Reddit in regards to brand sponsorships? Yeah, so I think the strategy in regard to brand sponsorships is really about

1:59:03 It doesn't matter if it's left or right, because when it was the right doing it, they did the same thing. They're chicken shit. They are so worried about their perceived brand. We want people to believe in us, but people don't believe in them anymore because they don't have that brand why anymore. It's identity politics for advertising. It's absolutely no surprise that during Pride Month, the month of June, we have massive de-platforming because of discourse over gender, over sex, over homosexuality, people having conversations, left, right, angry. Oh my God, we have all our money in the pride flag. We got anyone who's saying anything horrible, Stephen Crowder, go away. Do you start to see the picture? You've got to go after the advertisers and not after these platforms. You're wasting your time.

1:59:51 So then people say well, what about reddit? What about the Donald? What about that? Well Isn't it interesting that reddit in May? Hired a former Twitter and Google advertising executive to build their brand advertising business Her name is Mary Ann Belliveau and she is here being interviewed with the Reddit chief operating officer Jen Wong and they have a unique proposition to brands. This is very interesting. They have something that no one else has. Twitter and YouTube and Google and Facebook, oh we've got AI, AI will stop all the bad talk. Well we know that's failing. Reddit has a different idea. Mary Ann, your role in regards to brand sponsorships, what's going to be the strategy there for Reddit in regards to brand sponsorships? Yeah, so I think the strategy in regard to brand sponsorships is really about

2:00:47 Making sure that we're tapping into authentic communities in a way that seems real and okay to them, right? So people are consumers. Everybody needs something and you just want to make sure that we're Getting the affinities correct in terms of reaching people at a moment where they're receptive to it and in a way that feels authentic and I think it's a really good point, right? so I think we work with brands to try to be creative and bring the magic and in the places that it matters what i'm glad you bring that up jet because then you know read it is a place for a wide swath of different personalities opinions perspectives all of that You know, we know brands are very risk adverse. So how do you make Reddit a welcoming environment when we know that it still has to be to the ethos of what Reddit is? All right, so let's just stop there because what you're hearing here is real life billions of dollars worth of business and how that's going to be handled. So you need a lot of the, oh, the brand has to connect to the people.

2:01:42 people. So this is the inspirational part of the brand. It has to be the right people so it's in their community. Bullshit. How do they get as much money in as possible? Well we can show them a better way. Yeah, it's a great question. It's a great question too. We start with the principle of brands should be equal members in the community and when you're a member in a community it means that you have to observe the values, mores, and rules set by the community just like everybody else. So when brands understand that, and that's their starting place, they already start off on a great foot with the community. And that's something that we help brands understand. But then on top of that, we have a whole set of things that we do that are very unique to us in terms of moderation, right? So at the base level, we have policy that ensures that we

2:02:33 Our anti-evil team is able to monitor abuse and apply those anti-evil teams those rules and policies The thing that's really unique about reddit is that second layer of human moderation? so unlike other platforms we have a system where every single community so over a hundred and fifty thousand communities and have five to 50 human moderators who set rules to keep the conversation on top. All of those communities is where all of our content comes from. So nothing makes it into the front page or the feed that isn't already moderated by the community. The second is we have an upvote and a downvote system that's really powerful to have both.

2:03:14 so that users can actually weigh in on what is appropriate content and what's good content. And there it is. This is a whole new presentation. And they're saying, we have human moderators. We have 15 to 50 moderators before anything surfaces up high enough for your brand to be tainted by it. Don't worry, you're safe with us. We got this lady over here, she knows the inside workings of Twitter and Google. We've figured it out. We've tackled it. They hired 60 people, six zero, 60 people in New York for brand advertising and then they quarantine the Donald. Well of course they do, they're pitching this to advertisers. What are you doing about all that horrible discourse, all these alt-right people on the Donald subreddit? We've quarantined that.

2:04:03 So if you want to be effective and if you are worried about free speech and you really feel you need to use these platforms Which I'm against and you need to go after the advertisers and stop bitching and moaning about censoring go after the advertisers Go for the jugular where the money is. This is where we could get into our pitch Oh the final thing I wanted to say I got a note for where we could this is another exit strategy We can start that group. Oh interesting. Oh What group? The anti-brand group? The Media Matters Group. We be a Media Matters. No agenda matters. Yeah, well I just wanted to mention, you know, that Google, YouTube specifically, is having issues with their recommendations. They need to figure out, you know, how do we recommend stuff to people that is the right stuff and is not, you know, putting our advertising business in jeopardy.

2:05:04 And we got a note from Ali Jade. Ali Jade is our official Noah Gender Producer experiencing transgender. And she says that she had signed up for some Google Rewards where they pay pennies to you to look at stuff and answer. And she believes that she's been targeted as transgender to review certain YouTube videos. What they'll do is they'll say, here's a video, what would you want to see next? This video or that video? So she's helping to train the algos Based on her transgender experience. There's a lot going on. These guys aren't making enough money Which guys aren't making enough money? All of them

2:05:50 They're taking an awful lot out of the market, I'll tell you that. They're taking it out of the market and the market should, yeah, I can see why there'd be concerns and other, and I can see why there'd be this nonsense that bulls, that woman who talks like this because she's part of a community. That is a subgroup, by the way, that is a milieu of women. And that is a bogus but very appealing argument In other words, she's bypassing the AI doesn't work. Yep. Is what she's saying. The AI doesn't work. It doesn't work. We know it doesn't work. That's why there's these problems. Other platforms. She said it. She said it literally. Other platforms. Yeah, they got problems. They can't do it. We got layers, layers. Instead of the problem with them, they got one layer of human and then there's this AI that doesn't work. We got 25 layers of humans. You can't get by them.

2:06:41 Yeah, it's a good pitch. It's bullcrap, by the way. Of course it's bullcrap. It's obvious bullcrap because they had to quarantine the Donald subreddit because they could not contain it. And one of the main things, no monetization of that group. So they're going in big on brand advertising and they're going to try and grab some away. Yet another competitor. So this is heating up. But what you want to do is instead of a media matters or you know squashing, what is it farting giants? Whatever their name is you want to be something like I don't know conservatives buy shit, too That's the message you want to communicate because it will work but now yeah, it just has to be structured correctly Yeah, and I don't think that's up to us to do. Well, we could do it. We have the skills and

2:07:34 Well, the way donations are going, we might have to resort to it. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. We do have a few people to thank, a very few. Starting with surveillance, $152. He wants a job, a skirmish for his daughter, we'll give him that at the very end. Austin wilson hundred thirty three dollars and thirty three cents a season some amish washington washington yeah. I think that is a what is this is your eyes are awesome the snowy cascades.

2:08:20 and Dame Laura of the Snowy Cascades, okay. Okay, alright. Yeah. Chris Casey, $100.33. Once a de-douching, today is also his birthday. You've been de-douched. David Boswell in Georgetown, Texas. $100 even. Baron Walkman of the Buckeye, $8008. William Alston of Baltimore, dollars. He says Portland are okay. So on the Twitters, what is this? What are you reading? Sir Kevin McLaughlin, the Viscount of Luna, Locust, North Carolina, 880-06, the lopsided boo. And he wants F cancer karma for his uncle Huey. We'll do that in a moment. Gordon Jones in Sykeston, Missouri.

2:09:18 74 now the 70s are the kids this is the Americans versus the Canadians round one. $74 it means you're celebrating a 4th of July $71 means you're celebrating Canada Day and this is around one means we're gonna have a second round on next week or the next show is on the 4th of July. Okay, but so far, okay. So this one, I'll tell you the score. America 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Canada 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Oh, even Steven! It'll be over after the 4th of July because the Americans will hopefully come in with $74. I'm sad about that. And the Canadians won't follow up. The Canadian support looks pretty dismal. Oh yeah, six. We're always following as closely as possible, helping out our northern neighbors and they just let me down here. $74 for Gordon Jones, Peter Chong, Stephanie Kunkel.

2:10:18 Barron Walkman of Buckeye and Jeffrey Fields of New Brownsfells, New Brownfells, Texas. New Braunfels. New Braunfels is how we say it. Braunfels. Braunfels. And Ron Woodbury in St. George, Utah. They make a good barbecue there in that town. Then Canada's got anonymous $71, Sir Alan Bowes, Baron of BC. He came in, 71, Richard Dunn in Moncton, New Brunswick. Sir John Knowles, a Baron of Murfreesboro for some reason. Oh, he says he'll be flying to Canada.

2:10:58 So he, okay. That isn't even a Canadian. Nathan Cress, that's even down one. Nathan Craddock and Patrick Sullivan in Sturgeon County, Alberta. Okay. Onward with Robert Bruckner, 55, 55. Monica, day Monica Lansing, 55, 10. Great shows lately. She's Baroness, I'm sorry. Sir James Knight of the Paradise Star, 55, 10. Sean Lukachuk. in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He's got the same, so he counts it, but we bring the Canadians up to a plus one and then a minus one because they're brown at Murfreesboro. So we're back to even. I'm keeping score. And lastly, we have our group of $50 donors, name and location, we're applicable starting with Eric Dutro in Flint, Michigan, Robert Fittler in Mars, Pennsylvania,

2:11:54 Brian Matthews and Rostov on Don in the Soviet, in Russia, Russia, I tell you, it's in Russia. Sir Brian Watson in Raleigh, North Carolina. And last but not least, and then with a huge fall off, Dean Powell in Evanston, Indiana. And then there's, it's not even a $40 million. This is our worst show of the month. It's the worst show of the, yeah, of the month. I think we had one worse show than this. It's pretty bad, but it's June Swoon. Is it June Swoon or people just don't like our content? Maybe they're sick of it. Maybe they're sick of us. Maybe I haven't been agreeing enough with the D platform. People are very mad. Sending me notes. Wake up man! Don't you see what's happening?

2:12:43 Well, I don't know. To be honest about it, I think you've done five of these so far. It's the last one. I'm done now. I hope so. This was pretty definitive. Yeah. If you don't get it by now, you're never going to get it. Exactly. And then go ahead, run around behind everybody yelling censorship, censorship. If you want to fix this today, you know what to do. Yeah. Go after Nike. I think Nike was the most egregious example. And you know it's true. And you're wearing Nike shoes, any of you complaining? Any of you? If you got Nike shoes right now, you should burn them. You should burn them.

2:13:20 Well, you should know. On video? If you disagree with it, but if you don't care. Like I don't, the whole thing to me is illogical. People advertise, they do what they want to do in the advertising. I've never been a big fan of that. I won't burn my Nike shoes. No. I don't particularly like Nike shoes, but I won't burn them. You should burn them while you're wearing them. When I'm running, man. On YouTube. My feet are on fire. Anyway, thank you very much to the people who did support the show. It is our value for value system. Hopefully we brought you the value. All we ask is that you send us whatever you thought it was worth to you. For some people, this could be a million dollar idea that we had somewhere. For other people, it could just be keeping you sane, keeping you a little bit on your toes, thinking a little bit differently from the herd. For others, you know, you don't give a shit. There's others, you know, there's a stock tip in there nobody noticed. I did. Oh, snap. I know.

2:14:13 Is that the one you're talking about? I don't see it's illegal to give stock tips if you're not doing it right. I just said snap. I just said snap. Oh snap. I'm just saying. I didn't say that was what it was. No, I'm just saying like oh snap. It's like oh snap. Yes, it's true. There was something in there. Yeah. Crocs for everyone. Crocs. We return on Thursday with another episode of what we think is the best podcast in the universe. Don't take it from us, it's what is in the Mueller report. So please remember us at devorak.org slash n-a. A couple of well-deserved and requested karmas. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma.

2:15:01 Well, there's also a very low amount of birthdays for the calendar today. It is the very last day of June, June 30th, 2019. We say happy birthday to Richard Pyle. He turns 50 today. Welcome to the club, Richard. Chris Casey celebrated yesterday and Saturday. Sir SN which is the symbol for Sir Tin in Maryland turns 34 years old today. Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe. We have a title change for Sir Julian who has upped his standing in the No Agenda peerage. He moves up a level to the level of Earl, thanks to another thousand dollar total donations. Sir Julian Earl of the South Bay and Autonomous Cars is what he shall be, is how he shall be known.

2:16:02 from this day forward. And then we do have a very joyous occasion today which is a daming. We've got a lady coming in so I need a... Well this is, this is actually, you should do this one John. I think you should... I've got the sword here. You're on, you're on, you're the best. Well why don't you come up here and on the podium. Okay I'll be standing. Yeah okay here we go. Anonymous lesbian! Here we go! It's taken a while, but man do we appreciate your support. It means a lot to us, especially why you really tune into the program. You have reached the level of Dame and belong here at the round table with the rest of the Knights and the Dames and therefore I and John C. Dvorak am very proud to pronounce today the

2:16:43 Dame, anonymous, lesbian, dame and lady of the no agenda round table. Before you we have hookers and blow, rent boys and Chardonnay, early times and BF4, Captain Morgans and women with questionable reputations. Bruh, we got harlots and Haddall, beer and blunts, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, June Trail and gerbil, and mutton and mead. Pretty sure you like that. Especially the mead. Head on over to noahgenthenation.com slash rings and we'll get that information out to you or the information will get the ring out to you as soon as possible. Just give Eric the shill all of the info that he needs, ring size, etc. We got some meetups. We have one happening on the 4th of July too actually in Seattle and in Washington DC. Now, I got a note from Dame Sheila, the lady of Lisboa.

2:17:40 Adam, hope you're well. I entered a meetup a couple days ago for next Friday, July 5th in Lisbon. Also sent an email to Mimi. It wasn't mentioned on the show. I haven't heard from Mimi. Can you check? I can't see it on the list, so I've put it in the list here. I've forwarded this to the back office. Mimi to see if there's something wrong with your submission, but we're gonna keep it on our list here July 5th in Lisbon July 6th in Utrecht the Netherlands July 9th Knoxville, Tennessee The 11th is Charles Charleston. It is indeed, South Carolina and This is organized Mmm, I forget which Dame is organizing this but they're doing The way they're doing their meetups there is a six-week cycle and

2:18:25 So every six weeks they do a meetup, which I think is a great idea. Keep it on a six-week cycle This is where you can say you really think it's a great idea. It's a great idea July 13th, Atlanta, Georgia, July 19th, Colorado Springs, Colorado July 20th, Southwest London the 26th st. Louis, Missouri 2 on the 27th Buffalo, New York and Frisco, Texas And that is the 27th, that's the final one. And you can go to noagendameetups.com to find out if there's one near you, how to get to any of these, what specifics there are, or if you want to start one yourself. And there was an idea from Brandon from Michigan Local 1, I don't know if you saw this email come in, about peerage for the meetups. So the idea is

2:19:11 Well, I'll read this note to you. John and Adam, with the growing popularity of No Agenda meetups, the question continues to arise, what do we do with any collective money donated to the show? His idea is make the No Agenda meetup community be credited. Example, imagine at the next Michigan Local 1 meetup, the whole group at the meetup collectively donates $400. Rather than that money be not credited to anyone, have the credit be to Michigan Local 1. To continue with this, the following is various levels applied to Michigan Local 1. So it would be a group donation, a group level, and they suggest Local 1 at a thousand dollar level, the Shantytown Clubhouse, $5,000 the Meeting Lodge, and onwards up to the Grand Estate of Michigan Local 1. And I just thought it was an interesting idea, so I wanted to... you're in charge of the peerage committee and all that, so I wanted to...

2:20:01 It's something, it's an idea. I prefer if somebody's going to collect money that you have to designate a collector and then I would do it the same way we collect the money normally, which is take notes on who gave it, put it in an envelope and then forwarded the envelope to us at the post office box with all the applicable notes if there's a check. This only happened once with Pittsburgh and it was a check in some miscellaneous cash. We'll have to think about how to do this so it works. I think a lot of people like to get the personal credit. But I think what he's saying is they get the personal credit but then there's a collective. It might make it competitive, it might be interesting, it's possible. We'll consider how to do it. We don't want to make it too complicated, that's the only issue we have.

2:20:58 And thank everybody who came in under $50 for their subscriptions, one-off donations, long-term layaway night, which do work. Plenty of people get to the roundtable that way. Just thank you all very much. It's our value for value system. You can see why we cannot participate in any manner in the brand advertising space. Force we can't participate in that because everything we say on every show is pretty much off message and would not give any brand the idea that we're a happy place to advertise unless there's shooting range and even that is questionable so I So I have a couple of notes. I want to read hopefully the one from the social media spy No, I don't have that. Okay. All right. I'll read that one in a moment

2:21:49 I have one from producer Ted who's a grouch. Our favorite government legislative analyst has let us down again. I think he asked you if Sleepy Joe was for student debt forgiveness recently. Whether those debts could be forgiven is not the issue. The only way to energize the younger voters is to make it part of the platform. Creepy Joe can't be on the ticket because he was instrumental in the criminal legislation to make the no asset-backed student loans unforgivable. I didn't realize that, but now I do. And so I thank you for that. He also made a complaint about when it comes to this issue, you and crackpot who are usually so worldly wise seem quite oblivious to the entire American education scam. Oh, okay, sure. Have you even mentioned the cultural Marxism that's being indoctrinated into the permanent debt slaves? No matter

2:22:52 Isn't half our show about that? What is this guy on? I don't know. After you admitted you had no idea what Flight of the Concord was, I realized you're only human. Then he goes on saying it's the best podcast in the universe. Of course. Right. So, but now we have one that's a mea culpa, which I think should be corrected. And this is a good letter from Joe in Illinois, which we talked about how they legalized marijuana in the last show. For your information, we voted to have that as a referendum legalization on the most recent ballot. We also voted to have a term limits referendum. Neither made it on the ballot somehow.

2:23:38 They wanted to control who gets the pot contracts, legendary Illinois unions. And somehow we never got to weigh in about our asshat career politicians' longevity. Michael Madigan, the Speaker of the Illinois House, is the longest serving and most corrupt state politician in the United States. The fact that it was our legislature that merely was a means of control We were supposed to vote for pot in the midterms. Okay. Interesting. So I gave them a lot of kudos for the legislature doing this, but then it turns out that the kudos were not deserved. It was a scam. And this shows how, and shows very accurately how this podcast is a

2:24:28 network of producers You participate in so many ways In fact, I would love to hear for some of our producers who are in the advertising business None of them have showed up that the one I had to go to was the one I lived with who was the best one I know one of the best marketers ever. I'm also married to her. We need more of that We have a few people. I just got an emergency message here. Darren O's dad is having hip replacement surgery on Wednesday and he just found out he didn't have time to send him a health karma, so I'm going to do that now if you don't mind. You've got karma. Darren O works with Void Zero running the infrastructure, keeps us on the air. I have one more ISO to suggest. This is Judy.

2:25:21 Okay. Hello to both of you. Maybe we could do a combo. Hello to both of you. No, no, no, no. I think that doesn't work. I like that hello to both of you. Hello to both of you. Hello to both of you. That's good. I like it as end of show. So what the other one was this one? I do not believe you are a racist. No Judy's better I think we'll keep it with Judy. Yeah, she's got more more She's got more song in her voice got a great note from our social media spy He is I believe he's a knight actually And this kind of taps into everything we've ever thought about What's going on today?

2:26:08 I've worked in the insurance industry for over a decade. About five or six years ago, the company I work for started a program based on a product being offered by the private investigation companies we use to find fraudulent claims. Companies started offering a social media search on our claimants. These searches cost 300 to 500 bucks per search. Some bigwigs tried the service, but it was clear their private investigators were using interns with five minutes to type a few names into Google and then send them search results. Clearly a joke just to charge us extra. And so what happens is they decided to take this in-house and he is the one that built this practice within their company to find fraudulent insurance claims through social media.

2:26:51 Well, the first year we saved the company over $10 million in fraudulent payments. So for the last 5 or 6 years I've been, what my wife jokes, a professional Facebook stalker. That's not a huge amount of fraudulent claims, but when they happen, the money in them is usually significant. We do all this legally with publicly posted info online. I have caught doctors selling drugs illegally, people claiming they are sick but opening businesses, all the way to people having their wives or husbands calling us and sending fake medical records. Over time, I've seen some stuff with social media you might not be aware of from the outside. First of all, Twitter is useless and serves no one anything really useful.

2:27:34 For all the millions of people on Twitter, only about 5% of users actually use their accounts. We discovered this very early on in our research. People create accounts to just follow celebrities or politicians. They don't actually tweet anything, just retweet their favorite people if they use it at all. This echo chamber is much bigger than anyone realizes and goes nowhere. And this was an eye-opener to me. And it makes a lot of sense. What do they claim now? 300 million users, Twitter? I've not only talked about this before, but I've written a column about this, what I've noticed, which is Twitter is, what he says is absolutely correct. Because when Twitter first started, I just give the story again, I've told it before. When Twitter first started and I had like 10,000 followers, I would tweet a link that was something that I could count.

2:28:35 In other words, it would be just something on a blog or something and it had a counter, I could count. And you'd tweet a link to 10,000 people and you'd get maybe 1,000 people to click on it. Now I have over 100,000 followers and I tweet a link And instead of getting a thousand followers, you think, I mean, technically I should get 10,000, right? You get less than a hundred, if not less than 50, maybe sometimes 10. It's completely useless. Well, I'm just looking at the numbers. If it's 300 million, 5%, 15 million, it makes total sense that all this outrage is a very small group.

2:29:24 Second, a lot of noise. YouTube used to let us pull videos down that claimants posted publicly of them doing things they clearly shouldn't be able to do. Example, someone claims to have a bad back but has several videos of themselves water skiing or lifting 50 pound bags of dirt. What an idiot! In the past we had to stop doing that YouTube actually threatened to block us. Okay Facebook is more trouble than the public knows or is being reported Try searching for your friends or family on Facebook recently It's almost impossible to narrow down to someone in a large city or that has a common name Face back you face bag Facebook used to have something called graph search It was a back-end hidden thing that would let you find out useful info about anyone using the service lots of outside companies

2:30:11 We're using this public information as a business model, but graph search was taken away in the past month over privacy concerns. Several years ago we used to find people using just an email address or phone numbers, but Facebook removed that for privacy concerns as well. As we do research on people, we are finding only older folks using Facebook. 45 to 65 to be exact. Usually people are not tech savvy, younger people may have accounts, occasionally post, but older people are the everyday users. Yes, and Facebook is a big problem. And this was interesting last bit from industry articles I understand the graph search being removed has had some big problems Facebook apparently sold itself to college researchers businesses medical companies Etc giving them publicly available data They could do studies on for their papers with it now gone People are scattering like cockroaches to find other vendors of this data The thought is that Facebook will come back with the service again, but a few months from now. They'll be charging for that so

2:31:14 Thought there was some enlightening stuff first of all your insurance company is checking on you Oh, yeah, they have to be and the people don't really realize you know just post stuff. It's fine. It's all good. They're idiots mm-hmm Thank you social media spy. It's appreciated so I do have a Brexit little brexit info. Oh good. Are they done yet? No, but they're having this huge problem with Boris. There's two things going on. Boris is like... nuts and Corbin they're trying to try to railroad him are they're trying to really make him look like a show he's too old they're trying to you know even though he's I don't know they think there may be a coalition between the Liberal Democrats and maybe labor at some point because liberal Democrats are gonna make a huge comeback in this next election and then the Brexit party is elections coming up in a moment what elections

2:32:11 The parliamentary elections, the big boys, the big ones. They're doing another election? Well, they do elections whenever they feel like it, apparently. I missed this. The parliamentary system works. I'm sorry, did they just call a new election? I must have missed this. I think it's an election that was already scheduled. This is the leadership. No, no, John, hold on. It's the leadership election. Okay, well they got a leadership election, but they got a problem with... So that means it's only the conservative leader. It's not... No, I think there's a general election committee. I think you're wrong. It's for the... this is what we've been following. I know. Okay. I just want to correct you.

2:32:55 Well, you're not correcting me yet. I'm saying that we've had three rounds. The voting will be for the leadership of the conservative party, which will be between Boris and I guess Hunt will be the two main ones. But I don't think there's a general election. There's a general election coming. Well, whatever the case, they're still trying to railroad Corbyn and Boris is a problem. He's getting to be a problem. And so they I was listening to one of the talk shows, which unfortunately, I thought I had a clip of, but I don't. I've been going over this. I don't have it. But one of the talk shows was going on about Boris and the situation where the police were called to his girlfriend's apartment and Boris was there and the cops went in and out and he's not talking about it and he's not talking about it, he's not talking about it. And everybody's all wondering what the hell was going on there. And one of these,

2:33:51 commentator said that she thinks that the whole thing was staged by Boris to change and I never thought about people doing this but I can see it working because it would work with Trump. It was staged by Boris to change his Google search results. So when you start looking for anything about Boris, this bullshit thing with the cops showed up. To turn people away from his nutball interview, I believe it was a radio interview, or maybe it was on video, an interview with Boris where he goes off on these buses, on what he does for his spare time, he creates buses.

2:34:34 He creates buses? This is the craziest thing you'll ever hear. This is Boris on making what... This is an interview with Boris. The interviewer asks him, what do you do in your spare time? And Boris apparently doesn't know, doesn't do anything in his spare time. So he starts making, appears to be making stuff up. And then it goes, just goes off the deep end. What do you do to relax? What do you do to switch off? I like to... Paint oh I make things I like to what do you make I make I? Have a thing where I make models of I'd be realizing that wherever mayor of London we build a beautiful I make Buses you make models of buses I make models of buses So what I do know what I do mean models, but what I make is I get I get old

2:35:31 I don't know, wooden crates. Yeah. Right? And then I paint them and they have two... I suppose it's a white... it's a box that's been used to contain two wine bottles, right? Right. And it will have a dividing thing. Yeah. And I turn it into a bus and I put passengers... You really want to know this? You're making buses? You're making carpool buses? I paint... Okay, that's what you do to enjoy it, sir. I paint... no, I paint the passengers enjoying themselves. Okay, great. On the wonderful bus. Wow! So that's, it's not really like model railroad. He's really making him out of toilet paper rolls. He's not doing anything. He's just talking. He paints people having a wonderful time on their wonderful bus. I mean, how can it be that... Alright. Boris is a... I don't know how he got there. How does this work? He's a really smart kid. Yeah.

2:36:33 Is how it got there and he went to the right schools. He went to Eton for starters. Yes. Yes. Yes true on on and he Was always one of the smart kids if you see there's a good there's a good aunt on YouTube There's a good documentary about his life. Yeah, I we talked about that fascinating actually great painter I don't think he's as good as George Bush. Hmm. It's in that league Yeah, it's the same kind of thing. But Bush, when he got into painting, he did what you're supposed to do if you want to take it serious, something serious late in life. He hired a bunch of very expensive real painting instructors to come over and tutor him. And so that made a difference.

2:37:22 But so this has like become a problem, this buses thing he did. And it's being discussed to an excess. So he's open. So that's why they think- So they wanted to move away from the- They wanted to get the search results away from this nutty interview. What a way to do it. I had trouble finding the interview because I heard about it. And it's already almost gone. It's very difficult to find that clip. I received a clip from BBC about Angela Merkel and her second bout of shaking and we've been interested in what's going on. It doesn't seem like that's another hydration issue. In fact, she was shaking on stage and it's a very odd shake. It's from her legs, from her abdomen down. Yeah, it's just like she's freezing to death. Yeah, a little bit. And except that the shaking more is forward to back. Very strange. And what is interesting about this report is they really get into it

2:36:33 Is how it got there and he went to the right schools. He went to Eton for starters. Yes. Yes. Yes true on on and he Was always one of the smart kids if you see there's a good there's a good aunt on YouTube There's a good documentary about his life. Yeah, I we talked about that fascinating actually great painter I don't think he's as good as George Bush. Hmm. It's in that league Yeah, it's the same kind of thing. But Bush, when he got into painting, he did what you're supposed to do if you want to take it serious, something serious late in life. He hired a bunch of very expensive real painting instructors to come over and tutor him. And so that made a difference.

2:37:22 But so this has like become a problem, this buses thing he did. And it's being discussed to an excess. So he's open. So that's why they think- So they wanted to move away from the- They wanted to get the search results away from this nutty interview. What a way to do it. I had trouble finding the interview because I heard about it. And it's already almost gone. It's very difficult to find that clip. I received a clip from BBC about Angela Merkel and her second bout of shaking and we've been interested in what's going on. It doesn't seem like that's another hydration issue. In fact, she was shaking on stage and it's a very odd shake. It's from her legs, from her abdomen down. Yeah, it's just like she's freezing to death. Yeah, a little bit. And except that the shaking more is forward to back. Very strange. And what is interesting about this report is they really get into it

2:38:21 then it gets cut off. I don't know if it was some kind of error but just when it gets really kind of meaty, it's done. And this is the BBC headline news report. Angela Merkel's spokesman has insisted that the Chancellor is fine. She's gone off as planned to the G20 summit of world leaders in Japan, leaving behind her though at home real concerns about her health. Mrs. Merkel always appears to be in robust health. She has a punishing schedule. She's seen as a strong leader who can deal with that. And so this has come as a real shock. And of course, the fact that it has happened now twice is really adding to those concerns.

2:39:00 When Mrs. Merkel appeared to shake uncontrollably during a reception last week, she was stood outside in the hot sunshine in the direct glare of the afternoon sun and she said afterwards she'd simply been dehydrated. What happened this morning took place in rather different circumstances. She was indoors and the temperature will have been much cooler because whilst Berlin has experienced a heatwave in the last couple of days, today actually we've had a bit of a respite and the temperatures have really come down. There has as yet been no official explanation for what's wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually don't really get one. I think Mrs Merkel's team will be very keen to try and push this away, sweep it under the carpet, because in the next few days Germany pretty much goes on holiday. Mrs Merkel, Parliament, they all disappear off on their summer

2:39:49 recess. And the reason that her team will want to minimize any focus on what's happened this morning is because this is a really tricky time for German politics. Mrs Merkel some time ago handed over some of her power to a woman called Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer. But in recent weeks and months, she's made a series of public gaffes, she's made some very controversial statements and there are a lot of question marks out there in Germany as to whether she's really a suitable candidate to run Germany in the And that's how it that's how it just got cut off Wow, I don't know I don't know if someone said pull it if that was somebody must have that wasn't a plug on it could be getting kind of interesting about you know the Her replacement who's messing up a little bit and you know, I guess they have to keep her in I Was looking at the pictures of her that they showed where she was shaking and then there's a close-up picture of her face And she has edema

2:40:47 What's edema? Her face is swollen. It's puffy. You can't see any wrinkles in her face and it's just like she's got some puffiness in her face that is... It's edema, if you look it up, it's a problem if you, you know, she's got a swollen head. And it's... you look at it, I mean, there's a really nice picture in one of these newspapers, it's a close-up of her face and she's got no wrinkles anymore and her mouth is real small, looks a little like a slit. And I was looking at what is edema caused by heart failure, cirrhosis of the liver, various insufficiencies, kidney diseases possible. How about she's on prednisone?

2:41:27 Maybe she has a cancer thing. Maybe she's on some drug. But I think that her shaking and the edema seemed to be connected to me because I looked at her and said, this woman looks like, this doesn't look like her. Her face is normal, she's got a sagging face. Maybe they need to circulate some more children's blood through hers or something? She needs to shed her skin. Just saying. Yeah, that's a possibility. It could because it kind of does look like that initial reptile skin shedding sequence. Yeah. They can get you know this like a locust way and she's trying to suppress it.

2:42:16 Could be. I feel horrible making fun of her. I don't mind doing it about Soros, but the woman seems ill. She needs to be hospitalized. Possibly. Let's face it. The couple of things there's a... everyone made a big story about, you know, Trump met Putin. Yeah, that was funny. It's too bad that no one got the audio. How is that possible? Because of all the stupid cameras clicking. Can we stop with these camera clicks? I agree with you. Where's the guy with the microphone and the dead cat on the end who was sticking it out there in the meeting? The dead kitten is the technical term for that fuzzy ball that you put over the mic.

2:43:02 ABC did a story on it, they had to blast Trump and make a mockery of him. I think you could justify it to some extent, but it's not really much of a story. And it wasn't, I think they overplayed it. He wasn't joking around that much. I mean, it wasn't like, just listen to this. This is a story about him. about meddling. President Trump playfully telling Putin don't meddle in the election. ABC's chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl is there in Japan. They greeted each other like old friends. President Trump with a pat on the back for Vladimir Putin.

2:43:58 Later as they prepared to face the cameras the two leaders commiserated about the news media I mean this is just not usable really I mean I can't believe they went with this because it's just why even show it did they must have had subtitles subtitles subtitles a shared joke although Putin has been accused of having journalists murdered. This is the first Trump-Putin meeting since Robert Mueller released his report documenting Russia's quote, sweeping and systemic interference in the 2016 election. An American reporter asked Trump if he'd warned Putin not to do it again. The president responded with a smile.

2:44:45 the two men met behind closed doors for nearly an hour white house did not say whether the issue of election meddling came up what did come up a possible moscow visit for president trump putin inviting him to russia in may just months before the election no word yet on whether the invitation will be accepted well I thought it was a very humorous moment and they all dropped the ball because the question was are you gonna tell the President Putin not to meddle in our elections and Trump looks over and says don't meddle in our elections. It was hilarious but no we can't have any jokes anymore because oh evil. Hey there's one thing that there's not a lot of useful audio on for clips but

2:45:36 Yesterday this reporter for Quillette which is a reasonably new entrant into the online news game but I kind of like him I think it's a very small group Andy Ngo, is his name N-G-O? No. No? Just no. Andy Ngo and he was up in Portland and Antifa through of course milkshakes at him and then beat him up punched him kicked him bear spray pepper spray and stole his GoPro stole his GoPro apparently the the milkshakes now are really quick drying cement

2:46:18 I did not know this. Yes, this is the Portland Police tweeted, police have received information that some of the milkshakes thrown today during the demonstration contained quick-drying cement. We are encouraging anyone hit with a substance today to report it to police. You could blind somebody with that. Well first of all I told you that this milkshake thing would end poorly and I It's just unbelievable that Portland allows people to roam around with hoods on, with a ski patrol. What is going on? The mayor is some weenie, he's a wimp, can't do anything about it. The police are handcuffed. This is one of those situations where you have a DA who's a, you know... Oh wait, another Soros sister? Is this another Soros sister? It could be, could be, I don't know. Let me see, who's that? It seems so, it seems so, it's the same style.

2:47:08 of do nothing DA, district attorney. So what are you going to do? Let me see. Who is it? Who is the district attorney? Well, you look at that up. I do want to point out the top story. If you go to Google News headlines, White House, you know, this morning or whenever, like yesterday, Trump went to North Korea, actually went into the country. Oh, he did? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a big deal. Yes. Blasting them for it. But then the headline on CNN instead of the Trump and Kim Jong meeting, they went with this story. White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham bruised

2:47:46 amid scuffle between reporters and North Korean guards. You see, this makes me kind of angry because here's a guy, he's gay too, just to make, you know, a gay guy by himself walking around reporting for an actual publication gets beat up, no coverage. This is Fox News of course, but no one's covering it. And this is really not a good situation. Now we're down to violence and cement and it has all the elements of a great story, but they refuse to cover it. Just like this. Well, they'll cover the Stephanie Grisham being bruised. So they showed a video, I watched the report on this. It was like a crowd of people. Trump is going off on his own as he always does and she's trying to catch up.

2:48:36 She pushes her way through a couple of guards and she gets through and that's the end of it. And this is the video they show on CNN but they make it sound as though all hell broke loose and I don't see any evidence of it on screen. It's a bull crap story. Remember everybody, all media is convincing you of something one way or the other. But you're right, yeah, the Andy thing should have been reported by someone. But no, if it was the other side of the coin, it would have been reported for sure. And that's the other problem with your whole presentation about advertising is that the media has been pushing an agenda that makes it very uncomfortable for advertisers to go any places. I think it's almost like they're doing it to protect their interests. So the whole anti-Trump thing is part of a money-making scheme.

2:49:26 It's not like anybody sincerely hates Trump. I mean, I think a lot of them do because they kind of train that way, but that's not the point. Anyway. Money makes the world go round. We all know it. You can, we got to say it. It's just true. And everything, pretty much everything is advertising in media. I mean, we got to, I mean, Andy's problem was he wasn't, he wasn't on a, on a, on a TV show. He was gay. He was, he's, he's not white. By the way, he has a Twitter feed that's fascinating. This Twitter feed, at one point, you can go back and get enough of it, is documented every

2:50:11 one of these phony baloney, you know, the Jesse Smollett kind of thing. Oh, outrage hate crimes. Fake hate attacks. Interesting. And he documents them back for years. He must have a hundred of them. And one after the other. And it's just like you read him, you go, I remember that. I remember that. So, you know, like the situation that happened with Rolling Stone magazine where the reporter was suckered. by some woman crying about being raped and turned out she was never even there and never even lived in the town. And they write a big story about it, burning off some fraternity that's kind of passed by the wayside. He's documented all these. It's quite interesting. The guy's name is spelled N-G-O, if anyone's interested.

2:50:56 Just a couple of the things that will follow up on Thursday and we have more information. Wall Street will be waiting for more news regarding meetings between Trump and Xi Jinping. There's been some positive news kind of like well you know it looks like we'll be able to get Huawei back. Well you know we're working on stuff. I think the street is really looking for You know, some big positive yes concrete thing. If you listen to the last, anyone listen to the last DHM plugged, Andrew Horowitz predicted, the meeting's over. Andrew Horowitz predicted

2:51:36 this almost to the letter. It was going to be a nothing, yeah, okay, you know, kind of an agreement to agree kind of meeting, didn't have anything to do with, didn't really make a lot of, didn't give Huawei a little break on letting, the problem with the Huawei is having trouble getting certain parts that only they can get from American suppliers. So that's been loosened. And then- So that has been loosened a little? Yeah, it's been loosened a lot. Yeah. Well anyway, I think that should cause some shakeups tomorrow. Also this Iran-instex thing, which is... I should play this clip just so we're on top of it because this is a real threat.

2:52:14 to the United States, our system that is. Our system is the petrodollar, the United States dollar, which we enforce at the end of the barrel of a gun. And what we don't want is people trading oil in other currencies enter in stacks. Is the deal dead? Today in Vienna, the EU3, that's France, Germany and the UK, plus Russia and China, met an Iranian delegation to try and keep it alive. One of the keys to that, they believe, is a European trade mechanism called INSTEX that will allow countries to continue trading with Iran without falling foul of secondary US sanctions. The EU has confirmed that INSTEX is now up and running. Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Aragchi gave that news a cautious welcome.

2:53:00 Countries who used to buy oil from Iran are considering to buy Iranian oil in different mechanisms. For Europeans the case is perhaps a bit different. What they are trying to do is first to establish a banking channel or a financial channel for financial transactions. INSTEX is now operationalized, it's now active, but the rest is still far from our expectations. Well, Nathalie Tocci is special advisor to the EU's foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini. So how important is the news that the INSTEX mechanism appears to be up and running?

2:53:38 Well, I think it's key because essentially what it is, is that a, essentially a state-backed instrument to allow for EU-Iran trade is operational and is now preparing to conduct its first transactions. I think the second piece of important news today is the fact that seven other EU member states have committed essentially to sort of working alongside the E3 and the European External Action Service in the context of insects. So I think this really demonstrates that Europeans are not simply committed to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action in words, but they're actually prepared to stick out their necks in action as well. So this cannot stand, of course.

2:54:23 I don't know what they're going to do about it, but we can't have this trading. INSTEX, by the way, stands for Instrument in Support of Trading Exchanges. It's been around for a while. This isn't brand new. They just never really activated it. But I think this is a problem. I agree. It's like a secondary currency. Yeah. And if they really start trading, there would have to be retaliation against Europe, the EU3, as we were just told. Don't you think? I would absolutely think yes. If you're gonna do anything at all, can't have this is just a workaround. Yeah. There's a rule in place. You're not supposed to trade under these circumstances and doing a workaround is cheating. It's just cheating. I don't know why they even call it. Don't call it that. Well, it's going to be trying times for our president. We shall see. We shall see how he does. Well, I know he's gonna do that. I do have one last thing. All right. This has got to be it. The affiliates are already pissed.

2:55:22 They've always been pissed. I can play the two clips or I can play the one clip, but I think I'm going to play two clips. And this is the Jimmy Carter comment that took place where he said that Trump is an illegitimate president because the Russians fixed the election. And he made this comment on a stage and it got a lot of attention. I have the PBS report, which I thought soft peddled it because I have the original clip of him actually saying and how he said it. Yeah. And this and PBS kind of, I thought they were kind of kind to Trump for a change because I guess nobody's taking Carter too seriously and they don't want to make a big deal out of what he actually said, which was pretty pathetic. But let's play the PBS clip first. It's only 51 seconds.

2:56:08 A subjective report on Jimmy Carter. Got it. In a related development, former President Jimmy Carter said he believes President Trump actually lost the 2016 election, but Russian interference won him the White House anyway. Mr. Carter spoke in Virginia at a discussion on human rights. Historian John Meacham asked if that means he thinks the Trump presidency is quote illegitimate. There's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put in the office because the Russians interfered.

2:56:51 In a 2017 report, U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia did interfere in the 2016 election to help Mr. Trump. They did not assess whether those actions affected the outcome. Which is objective. She has a tell where she smacks her lips at the beginning as she's coming out of a clip. Hold on, we need to listen to this lip smack. I'm not sure what the tell means. I want to hear it. He was put in the office because of the Russians' interference. It's more of a... She does it a lot. She actually smacks her lips more than anybody on the air.

2:57:36 She should have the one of the guy our producer caught us doing it. She should write her room now. Here's the whole clip This is the interview. Let me just review. Let me just review what cut what I heard Carter say in that clip was President Trump did not win the election he Somehow he got put in by Putin. Yeah, well that's pretty much what he says in this clip too, but this takes it a little further and then also adds some screwball and ending that's kind of, that gets a big laugh for the audience. I just found the whole thing to be disturbing and Carter, and Carter was up there on the stage with Meacham and then there's some guy, I don't know who it was, sitting next to Carter who looked like he was half dead and he's just sitting there like a lump as my mother used to say. But

2:58:23 But let's play this. Well, the president himself should condemn it, admit that it happened, which I think 16 of our intelligence agencies have already agreed to say. And there's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated, would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put in the office because the Russians interfered on his behalf.

2:59:05 So do you believe President Trump is an illegitimate president? Based on what I just said, which I can't retract. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That's a little different than the way the report was. The report was a little, yeah, it didn't take, it didn't bring all the nuttiness out. The report was pretty straightforward. I thought the report was, I thought the report was okay. I thought it was objective. It was, it still brought him out, but if you hear the whole thing, which it just did, it's a little more radical, I thought.

2:59:44 Well, I'm very happy that the national news media is completely obsessed with this kind of stuff with an old guy who was a one-term president. By many considered the worst president in history. Yeah, and it's very important to have all this going on. Meanwhile, we have domestic terrorists with ski masks throwing wet cement at people beating up gays and that's not covered. Maybe it's just me. America, baby! We are the beacon of shining light for all media manipulation. Foam finger number one. You can't beat us. We know how to do it. We're number one. And that will do it for our deconstruction for today. Hope you enjoyed it. If you found any value in this, let us know. One of the best ways is to go to Dvorak.org slash NA and support the show. Whatever you felt was of value today, if it's literally keeping you sane, you know what to do.

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3:01:23 Adios, mo-mo-mofos and such. Anything for love. I think most people think of rape as being sexy. But I won't do that. You don't feel like a victim. I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. It's really so stupid. I walked in right in front of him and he shut the door and banged right against the wall. But I have no idea who she is! Let's take a short break. Think of the fantasies. Immediately upon walking into that dresser, he attacked you. Right against the wall. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to be back with you on Instagram. We'll talk more on the other side. You're fascinating to talk to.

3:02:14 This is a woman who's also accused other men of things, as you know. It is a totally false accusation. I think she was married, as I read. I have no idea who she is. But she was married to a Johnson, a newscaster. Buffalo, the dingus day capital of the world. You're fascinating to talk to. It's really so stupid. The Silicon Valley inside her head has switched to overload And nobody's gonna watch YouTube today She's gonna make them stream Vimeo And Susan doesn't understand it She always says she was good as gold And you can see no trilling, cause there is no trilling What reason do you need to be loved?

3:03:34 I don't like YouTube. Tell me why. I don't like YouTube. Tell me why. I don't like YouTube. Community Storm. The whole site down. This video from your account has been disabled for violation of the YouTube community guidelines. Thank you and have a nice day. Oh well, guess I better go and ask for a manual review. Hello to both of you.