Explaining The Health Care Bill

00:01 Of course it's dope. Hello, can you hear us? Says Adam. Adam Curry. John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, July 23rd, 2009. Time for your Gitmo Nation audio publication, episode 115. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell. It's where you find the Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West. From an undisclosed loft location in San Francisco. I'm Adam Curry. And from a foggy northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. and feeling mighty fine about it my friend. You should probably look at check those doors the front door especially for solenoids. What's a solenoid? It's a thing that you know they can push a button and then magnetically boom! Oh click! Yeah yeah yeah. Well they are...

01:03 That's a good point. Thank you. Yeah, I was looking at more concerned. I think more in these terms. I was on on Monday. I took my daughter over to Alcatraz with our friend who keeps apparently inviting you to Ranger Craig. Yeah, I am going to show this around and he gave us the tour the back tour. In other words, we didn't you know stuff you don't normally see. Yeah. And one of the things you learn is that prisoners who have time on their hands come up with the craziest ideas. Of how to escape or just craziest ideas in general? Yeah, how to escape. Like?

01:41 Well, like spending seven or eight years with a spoon? No, the spoon thing is overrated. This is more weird. Spending seven or eight years with dental floss and tooth powder to to grind through one of the bars. Oh my god! Oh shit! And how far did they get? Apparently with the old original bars that they used to have which were flat steel and so they came out with the round steel hardened. Somebody actually busted through one of them. Oh my god, after seven years of sawing with dental floss? Yeah, with the tooth powder. So you need the tooth powder. Yeah, of course, of course you do.

02:21 Oh man. Oh shit. Hey, memo to self, let's not get stuck in Alcatraz. That sucks. Oh boy. Hey, did you see our president last night? No, I missed him. Was he in town? No. Yeah. Do you know that Obama has done more primetime speeches to the public in six months than George Bush did in eight years. The President is very rarely doing them at all. I mean, he does, you know, you do one about one every couple years when something's important, but Obama's putting himself on TV over and over again and the thing is apparently this last time when he gave his health care speech

03:03 the networks are getting reluctant to put him on. Yeah, except this time they had no reluctance whatsoever and of course I also received an email from our president yesterday after, yeah was it yesterday morning? I like that you're on his email list. Yeah, well I'm one of the rare few. Well check this out because of course this is the, you know, the from is President Barack Obama and the actual email address is info at messages dot white house dot gov uh... but this it was a very interesting uh... salutation as he starts off by saying dear friend which i just find some of your friends somehow insulting i mean i'm a i'm a citizen you know dear american or dear fellow american fellow fellow citizen of gitmo nation you know and of course uh... the title of the email is tune in henna

03:58 As you read this, we are closer than ever to passing comprehensive health insurance reform that benefits American families and small businesses. Despite all the back and forth in the news right now, it's important to understand just how far we've come in this challenging process. That's why I'm holding a press conference tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern Time and writing to let everyone know where we are, what's ahead, and why health insurance reform is so important. So I was lucky enough to be able to be home at 5, get my Nation West time to actually tune in. And hold on one second, are you leaving Ben? No? Alright. And I actually fell asleep during the first half of the year. I was so tired. I'm lying on the couch. That's the danger. And I'm sitting there like... What is it that you somehow got transferred into your brain during these moments of sleep? I don't know. And what was he planting in my subconscious while I was drifting off into sleep? I couldn't understand a word of what he was saying, dude. It was literally like, uh-huh.

04:58 Of what? And it was one of these typical news conferences that he does where he comes out and now of course he's smart, he's reading the teleprompter that's right in the middle of the room. It's a huge LCD screen, you can actually see it in a couple of the shots later on. And watching it in HD is phenomenal because you literally see the screen reflecting in his iris. And you see his eyes darting back and forth. They do because the letters are too white or something like that. Literally you can see the reflection in his eyes. And you see him reading because the shot is reasonably close up.

05:35 And then he does his little introductory thing. And then he takes 11 or 12 questions, which are all pre-processed, pre-set up. He knows exactly who he's going to call on. He knows where they're sitting. And of course, Helen is there. Now, she's almost like a... She's rocking back and forth like Bill Gates these days. She's like sitting in the front row going like, he'll never call on me. He'll never call on me. And what was interesting to see how, you know, and you really recognize how this thing is so set up, Today, so that would have been tomorrow for yesterday's news conference, the president is visiting the Cleveland Clinic, I guess? Is it, what's the name of the famous clinic in Cleveland?

06:14 I don't know. Oh, there's some, okay, well there's some Cleveland Clinic. Not the Mayo, is it? No, no, no. That's Minneapolis. That's Minneapolis, yeah. So I guess the Cleveland Clinic is in on the game. And so he calls on the guy from the Cleveland Real Insider. Like, duh! You know, what a setup is that? It's like, okay, I get it. You know, call on that guy, get it all prepped for tomorrow. And it was just it was weird. It was really a very weird press conference He also slipped a couple times on his answers instead of saying we said we saved or created jobs It's like we saved and created jobs. I'm like no you didn't

06:55 You know, last time I checked, we're still losing jobs. Yeah, I don't see where there's any created. Which reminds me... Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Nancy Pelosi, so I took that clip and I realized there was something missing from it. That was a bunch of kids. Yes, exactly. It's perfect. I love it Because when you sent me the clip I'm like, okay, it'd be the jobs clip and they heard the kids at the end I'm like, yeah nice So, the only thing I could really do, and I've spent the past couple days doing this, is I just went ahead and tried to read this bill that they're talking about, this health care reform bill. And it's, well, I'm not a lawyer.

07:45 I don't even think a lawyer could understand this. It reminds me a lot of the Lisbon Treaty, which I also read in its entirety because you have to go to all these other bills and laws and you have to find all this other stuff because it literally... Yeah, they're all cross-referenced. Yeah, and it's not just cross-referencing but this bill which is H.R. 3200 literally changes other laws. Like the IRS code and this and that. Yeah, so it's not just a new piece of legislation, it's actually changing old legislation.

08:21 And the thing right off the bat that just really frightened me is, and I'm looking at it right now, I think I sent you a link, John, HR 3200. Yeah. And right at the top, so it gives you the purpose of this bill, and I'll just quote this, to provide affordable quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending and for other purposes. I'm like, what? Other purposes? what other purposes isn't isn't the bill just about the bill what kind of hedges that so you know that of course makes me incredibly suspicious yeah well you and well you should be the thing that got me about that bill is that is the fact that they want everybody in the input there's a bunch of like a new enforcement agency and there's a new health commissioner is going to get paid as much as a uh... and it with a huge staff is going to pay as much as a cabinet member and in obama's cabinet

09:17 I was trying to figure out the salaries. And so the salary's gonna be the same as this person. So I had to go check their salary. And their salary, if you look on, it says it's gonna be the same as this. But you have to keep going and going and going until you find out that the salary is $191,300. Per person? Per the head guy. And then, the way it looks, it looks as if everybody just under that person is getting just a shade less. But you know, I was looking at the different salaries, you know, Pelosi for example, as the Speaker of the House, she gets $221,000 and Obama gets $400,000 as the President. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, these salaries to begin with are bogus.

09:59 Pelosi gets $221,000, but she has use of a $737,000. She gets a jet, hello! And do any of these people ever drive their own car? When Obama has a dinner at the White House for 100 people, is it coming out of his salary like it would be with you if you give a dinner for 100 people? No, of course not. It's a company expense. Put it in the bank because you're not going to have to spend a nickel. How does that count as anything? That's not what the true salary is. If you were going to look at Pelosi's true salary with the $757,000 cost and $30,000 to fly across the country by one estimate, and she's going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, she's making millions of dollars per year. She's got limos, she's got free food, she's got a 757.

10:47 because she doesn't want to stop yes she's got free free housing i think uh... house in the show and dcf course of course was a so i was concerned about the fact that in that bill there's a non-compliance cause clause for employers which amounts to a hundred dollars a day fines plus probably interest uh... if they don't ensure their employees you also well you have this is uh... this is the thing is kind of weird I'm a small business owner essentially, although I kind of fall outside of what is deemed small business. If you have a payroll of up to $250,000, which let's face it, that's like four guys.

11:34 you know, is that how many people would that be? That's about right. Yeah, about four or five people. Then you're exempt from all of this. But if you have a payroll over $250,000, which is, you know, basically MeVEO is a good example. So you found that, I was looking for that number, I couldn't find it in the bill. Yeah. If you don't if you don't provide health care, now we do provide health care, if you don't provide health care then there is an automatic 8% tax on additional payroll tax which of course comes right out of the workers wages. Now that's okay because we provide health care. The problem is that the government now has, according to this bill, now has the right to audit our books

12:17 Whenever they feel like it to make sure that we're actually doing everything on the up-and-up regarding health care, and that's a compliance officer That's a bit chilling now. I found out how many of these by the way how many of these inspectors? Which is what it amounts to or auditors which are not or should probably get paid more than an inspector would how many of these people do they get are they gonna hire? I mean this seems like another big government job You know, I mean everything that Obama's doing, all the creation of any jobs he's creating are just government jobs. It's like everyone's going to be working for the government except you. Yeah. Because I'm going to go to work for the government. Well this is of course exactly what happens in Atlas Shrugged if you read that. Oh! Yeah. By the way, someone sent me a note, says he was listening to the audiobook version and was really enjoying it. All 52 hours of it. That's quite an audiobook.

13:05 but the uh... the bill is is it can learn portuguese in that matter interestingly enough this bill is one thousand seventeen pages long which is about the size of atlas shrugged And I know how long it's taken me to get through that book and of course what really seems apparent is that the government goes on vacation in August. Well let's talk about that for a quick minute. They go on vacation. Hey wait let me ask you a question. I'm going to do an Adam Curry and ask you a question that's got the answer built in. Yeah hit me, hit me. You've got the you've got it. You're running a company. Yeah, some things happening at the company There's gonna be a merger or you're gonna be shut down. We got a client. Maybe we got something You got a new customer for God's sake or you're you're putting you're going into a new building I mean a million things are you gonna take four weeks off of your normal vacation say you take it well off Okay, first of all

13:59 I think by law almost, unless you've been working in a company for eight years, you don't even get four weeks of vacation. I believe as an executive... In France they do. Yeah, we're not in France dude. I believe I have three weeks of vacation a year by the book. So I have a partner in the business, you know, kind of like you have a president, a vice president, you've got a speaker of the house, you've got all these people who could pretty much, you know, look after the ship and steer it. So while we do, you know, we've got family, so while I will take a little bit of time off, like a week or so, or maybe a week and a half, you know, I coordinate that with my partners in the business so that they'll keep the ship running. Of course we don't shut everything down. Of course not. They mail out in Washington and they don't do it for four weeks, they do it for five

14:47 weeks and wait a minute let me get this straight we're in the worst financial crisis in our history since the Great Depression whatever they want to say it's a horrible situation why don't they stay and work it out? Let's go on vacation! Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! Look at that! These guys are made this they're rushing these bills through because they have to go on vacation even though the economy is in such bad shape and everything's falling apart but they're going on vacation so I mean give me a break they should not go on vacation and they should let people read this this health care bill it's ridiculous these guys are crazy so the whole point that I'm trying to make voted out yes well we're way too hypnotized for that so the whole point of this rush which is exactly what they did with the 700 billion dollar stimulus package we got a hurry and it's

15:39 As far as I know, we've only spent about 7 or 8 percent of it. Why do we have to hurry to get it all done? They really want to rush this so that people don't have time to read it. And honestly, John, I'm not stupid. You're not stupid. I think we're on the level of any congressman or senator. These are just people who have been – they're doctors. Some of them are lawyers. A lot of them are lawyers. but they're people who were elected, voted in. They can't read this in a week's time. It's impossible to read it, comprehend it, understand exactly what it means. I've only been able to pull little pieces out. For example, page 59, which kind of freaked me out, and I'm not sure I'm reading it right, but requirements for specific standards under section B

16:25 It will require, I'm sorry, under section C, it will enable electronic funds transfers in order to allow automated reconciliation with related health care payment and remittance advice. The way I read that is that the government will require every citizen to allow the government to transfer funds in and out of your bank account. Do I am I reading that wrong? I don't know. I can't figure it out either require the use of standard electronic transaction with which health care providers may quickly and efficiently enroll with a health plan to conduct the other electronic transactions provided for this party and it sounds like a Nigerian scam It does there's also

17:15 I'm looking for it now. This bill will require every American citizen whether you have private health insurance or not to have an ID card So there you go, you know, they've finally done your papers your paper. Yeah, Ausweis beta They finally put it in now even if so we have our and I know you take advantage of the mevo health care plan and The doctors that you go to will still no longer be able to provide what you and he feel is appropriate. The government, in effect, is going to determine what you can and cannot get. This is how they're supposedly lowering the cost of health care. But I want a doctor to be deciding that, not the government.

18:03 Well, here, why don't you play, here's a kind of, I thought this was a little off the wall, but I've got a long clip from Dennis, what's his last, Cortese, who is the CEO of the Mayo Clinic, one of the most efficient operations in the world for medicine. And he makes a couple of interesting points. You want to play that? Yeah. What do you think of the public option? The public option in their plan depends on what we mean by the public option. If we mean a Medicare type option that has price controls and it's fee for service, that'll be a catastrophe. We've what I didn't quite understand that is he gonna explain this? It's pretty straightforward. He's saying in other words if it's gonna be one of those systems where you you know Come in for a test and then they add another test and another test and other head because they've lowered the price they have in other words They capped what you can charge. Uh-huh by the government said no You can't charge more than 50 cents for that test and so okay. Well, let me do ten of them. I

19:02 Ah, okay. Because that's apparently what's happened over the last few years. I get it. Right, okay. Seen it already in Medicare. It's the largest public insurance company. It's been up and running for many years. It's had price controls under its control for, since 1983. And with price controls, what have we seen? people just do more. The rate of growth of spending has still gone up. Okay, I get it. You get paid for every service you want to do as many services as you can. And remember, Medicare is only one style. Another one could be Medicaid. Well, this is exactly what the president said was not going to happen under the new plan. That you would not be able to

19:41 uh... and yet to have three or four different tests. That's why you come in with that concept that the government is going to tell you what test you can and cannot run. Well it's not just a concept, this is actually happening. I've seen this... The point that I really want to make with this guy, that's an interesting point, but what he's bringing up now is actually even more interesting because nobody even thought about the simplicity of what he's about to say. They have difficulty with it. You've got a military system, you've got a VA system, you have Tricare. Tricare is a pretty good little insurance product out there. People who have it like it. Most people don't even know what it is. And not many folks have asked to hear from the Tricare administration

20:19 what they can do, what can they bring to the table. And you have the Federal Employees Health Care Plan, which is basically private insurance products that's available for all the federal employees, including the congressmen and the president, the mail carriers, the CIA agents, everybody. This is the reason people always say if Congress would give the American public the same kind of health care system they had, they'd be better off. What are they out of their mind? It makes me cringe to think of really being able to put together another public plan. We already have some and pick one if we want to use that. Yeah, that's really interesting, John, because the president literally said last night, and I don't have the sound clip, but he literally said you because the question was.

21:17 president obama will you be on the same health care plan is what you are now offering to uh... to the entire country said yes it will be exactly this we said he thought it was funny said yes it will be the exactly the same health care plan but of course i have a different one cuz you know i got a doctor on me all the time but hey i'm the president It was like, okay, but he was saying that it will be exactly the same and it sounds like Cortez or Cortese, whatever his name is, he doesn't agree with that. They won't be the same health care plan. No, it is some new system, but I think the point he makes is we've got six.

21:53 government health care systems in place right now, and he names all six of them, including the obscure Tricare, and these are all for the government, and these are Medicare, Medicaid, you know, Veterans Administration. Why don't we just turn one of them into the national health care system? Why do we have to have a whole other one, a seventh? More money for them. Yeah, it's another bureaucracy they're creating. It's bullshit is what it is. Let's say so if and and the the entire bill can be found in the show notes at no agenda that me vo comm and no agenda dot Squarespace comm I just want to give you a quick rundown to find out more about the hint of a national ID card that's page 58 and

22:37 US government having immediate access to every bank account, page 59. There's a lot of information here about what doctors can or cannot own. They're not allowed to own a certain amount of the hospital. That starts around page 317. uh... told this is another nice one all american citizens ordered to give the u s government power of attorney over their living will that starts around page four hundred and twenty five answer what's this yeah i can pull up for you but the other than i was just a bit summarize the government will have a new power of attorney over your living will that's weird

23:26 Well, the whole thing is weird, John. Let me get some of the verbatim text for you. I just did some notes here. 425, here we go. Okay, such consultation shall include the following. An explanation by the practitioner of advanced directives including living wills and durable powers of attorney and their uses. An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibility of a healthcare proxy. See it's hard to understand this language that's why I'm not quite sure if I'm reading into it properly but I see this I wish some people would go and then to start dissecting yeah about the people we elected. Why don't you go and do it? An end-of-life plan now for each American citizen? Two to the head.

24:23 And of course they slipped in a really nice one about marriage. And I guess this is where we finally determine if you can be married whether you're gay or not. That starts around page 487 or 489 actually. The government can decide who and who cannot be married or what constitutes a marriage. So this is, you know, if you're, I guess if you're gay, lesbian, whatever, and you consider yourself to be married, no health care for you! Well that doesn't make sense from the Obama perspective. It would be the opposite. Oh please.

25:02 What do you mean he's against gay marriage? He said it himself. He's against gay marriage, so is Joe Biden. This is no secret. That's the one thing they've been transparent about. People don't want to believe it. The one thing they've been transparent about? I wouldn't think they don't want to believe it because Obama is a Democrat. So there was another question and it's so expertly done. because recently all of the head honchos from the health care providers met at the White House and the White House would not provide a list of who the executives were which of course you know the press gets all up in arms about that and Obama said well you know first of all you know you guys were there this was a a press what do you call it he called a press photo spray

25:46 which I think was kind of like a whoa, it's like machine gun spray. Really? Photo spray. Yeah, and so you could see exactly who was there and I think we've actually sent out a list as of this morning blah blah blah. You know, but the question was about transparency and the fact that these health, and there's another great question which I had as well is why were these health care bill committee meetings not on C-SPAN? And the president goes, well, you know, there's other important stuff going on. Wait a minute, didn't he make a promise? It's one of his great promises that he was going to put all this stuff on C-SPAN. Yeah, no, he said there was other important stuff going on, like the finance committee hearings. I watched C-SPAN. There was a lot of crap on it. It wasn't anything important. Of course, it was Soda My Air. That was what was on the whole time while this health care bill was big. So what? Who needs to see that? It's the same issue in any way. What difference does it make? I got to play it again. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. Ooh, look at that.

26:42 That's what it is, man. They're just covering that shit up. We know she's gonna get it. Obama made a big point about saying that all this stuff was gonna be on C-SPAN. It's one of his promises. Yeah, well, it's not true. There's a number of sites, by the way, people should check out. I sent you a link to one of the more interesting ones, which seems fairly objective. That lists all of Obama's, what he says he's gonna do and what he did and what he's not done. It's the truth-o-meter? Yeah, that one. It's a little bit left. It's a left-wing oriented... So I think this is one of the newspapers out of Florida.

27:19 But it is a politic fact calm. That's when you're talking about which was it. I'm sorry politifact.com Maybe yeah, that's what dash meters dash statements. Yeah, we'll have the show notes for people want to check it out for sure one of the things listed in there is that Obama's gonna do all the stuff on C-SPAN so everyone can see it if they want to and I don't see why he doesn't even do that because who watches C-SPAN except you me and five other people the only guys It's funny because it's like C-SPAN's got about the same number of listeners minus a couple as Fox Business. And I had Nick over the other night from the office and I have the TV on C-SPAN and he says to me as he's leaving later that evening, he says, dude why do you watch all those boring old dudes? What's that show about?

28:04 Yeah, well there you go. That's your government. That's C-SPAN, man. That's where you can actually see what's going on. He's like, oh, that was pretty boring. You got Bravo? No, nobody cares and he's you know, just you know, he's just a general member of the public. They're all the same I would like to congratulate everyone listening by the way to this program whether it's streamed or time-shifted in podcast format You truly are the people who will actually survive you will live There's the people who aren't tuned in at this level who think what the hell is this dumb show about? You're dead. There's plenty of them. There's dead You are destined for death

28:44 That's just it. Forget about it. If you're listening, congratulations. You are lifted to a higher frequency. You actually have a shot at making it out alive. And by the way, I don't want to start begging for money so soon in the show, but you can go to noagenda.squarespace.com and click on one of the buttons and help us out. Besides that, we need more people going to that site because we just put it up and the numbers are kind of low. But we don't have a lot on there. I mean, I think people go to curry.com for most of this stuff. I don't know. They get it from different places. Sibelius, by the way. We definitely have a distributed mechanism.

29:22 Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who of course John as you know is a Bilderberger. So they say. Yes. She was on Meet the Press and I'm just gonna put the link in the show notes because... Isn't she another Jersey girl where there's all this corruption going on? Oh totally. And so what's the guy's name? It wasn't the regular... yeah who's the guy on Meet the Press? I forget his name. Yeah, there was a new guy this week. Yeah, so he's actually pretty good and he's saying look the the CBO which is the What are the Congressional Board Oversight Committee or whatever that it's like an accountant? It's like an independent accountant who looks at At stuff the government is saying and they do the math and they said well as far as we can tell

28:44 That's just it. Forget about it. If you're listening, congratulations. You are lifted to a higher frequency. You actually have a shot at making it out alive. And by the way, I don't want to start begging for money so soon in the show, but you can go to noagenda.squarespace.com and click on one of the buttons and help us out. Besides that, we need more people going to that site because we just put it up and the numbers are kind of low. But we don't have a lot on there. I mean, I think people go to curry.com for most of this stuff. I don't know. They get it from different places. Sibelius, by the way. We definitely have a distributed mechanism.

29:22 Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who of course John as you know is a Bilderberger. So they say. Yes. She was on Meet the Press and I'm just gonna put the link in the show notes because... Isn't she another Jersey girl where there's all this corruption going on? Oh totally. And so what's the guy's name? It wasn't the regular... yeah who's the guy on Meet the Press? I forget his name. Yeah, there was a new guy this week. Yeah, so he's actually pretty good and he's saying look the the CBO which is the What are the Congressional Board Oversight Committee or whatever that it's like an accountant? It's like an independent accountant who looks at At stuff the government is saying and they do the math and they said well as far as we can tell

30:09 This health care bill is going to cost more money. It's not going to save money. It's going to cost more money. So he lays it right out there. Yeah, do you know that you have a trillion and a half? Yeah, he says it's going to cost more money. And she doesn't answer the question, John. She just sits there and goes, well, you know, the president is really on board with this. And he comes back at it again. He says, you know they say it's going to cost more money how does that uh... jive with the whole idea of the bill which at the top says to reduce health care costs and she avoids the question continuously you have to see it we should have a double it well i have it here but it's it it it it doesn't stop you know all home it's because i don't think we answer the question no it's not you say look she should say look with the word look yes look

30:57 It is what it is. As President Obama tried rallying lawmakers behind health care reform, he repeated a pledge meant to ease not just Republicans' concerns over costs, but some fellow Democrats as well. I want to be very clear. I will not sign on to any health plan that adds to our deficits over the next decade. I just want to hear that now, okay? Hear that. hear what he says this is his promise what he did not repeat was his call for the house and senate to pass bills by august a goal all right that so that's not the piece i was looking for He actually says let me be clear in his email that he sent out to tune in me be he says let me be clear Let me be very clear because he has two variations of it pulling it up here It is that's why I'm holding a press conference before insurance reform is so important. Let me be clear colon Okay, so it's just let me be clear Congress is still debating parts of the legislation. We have achieved critical consensus on several key areas

31:57 He says let me be very clear, I think when he's slightly annoyed. Yeah, he does. He does. By the way, somebody sent us a note saying they should turn that into a drinking game. He says it so much. We'll be drunk. We'll be like Russians. We can't do that. Oh boy, oh boy. Anyway, that is also in the show notes if you want to go take a look at that at Meet the Press where Sibelius just sits there and even Mickey's like, and she doesn't even have to listen to it, she's lying. She's sitting there lying the whole time. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Another good analysis came out on Monday of the health care bill from a website called economicpolicyjournal.com.

32:39 And of course I can't really say this is true or not because it's all interpretation. It's like this is law, it's like a legal document so it's all open for interpretation and you have to be a lawyer and you have to have billions of dollars to dispute this stuff but just running down the list. The bill mandates government will audit books of all employers that self-insure. That would be us. Section 123, there will be a government committee that decides what treatments or benefits you get. Page 29. So in other words, all companies can be audited? No, not can, will be audited. Will? As in must be?

33:22 Well, if they're going to have a staff big enough, they'll be able to do it. No problem. So it says will, so I'm going to presume that's how they read it. The health choices commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice. Government will have real-time access to individuals finances and a national ID health card will be issued that is page 58 That's what I've been talking about. So real-time access to your bank account real time. So hey, let's see what Curry's doing That the noise they make when they do this that's how their computer systems sound yeah I

34:07 Government is creating a healthcare exchange to bring private healthcare plans under government control. True, I believe that to be true. That's on page 72. I mean this thing just goes on and on. It's another great thing to look at. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals on page 272, they're going to ration. So, you know, they're going to decide when enough is enough. And having been through a parent who died of cancer, it's like, you know, you never think it's enough, right? You're like, well, why don't we just try this? Can we try this? One more thing. And now the government's going to say, sorry, no more. No more treatment for you.

34:49 And that sucks. Expansion, page 317, government mandating hospitals cannot expand. This I saw in many different parts throughout the bill and this has to do with part of the ownership that doctors have. I mean this is, it's disconcerting to say the least. Yeah, but you know, marching ahead. And now, back to Real News. Another one of them. What do you call them space shuttles? That went up to the space station and Lord knows what that cost to send one of those things up and of course we are paying for it And I just want you know I just don't it doesn't cut it anymore for me to hear that they're doing Experiments with mice and herbs and stuff. It's like who cares tell me what they're really doing we got 15 people up there and the answer came to me almost immediately

35:59 As it turns out, the only toilet on board the International Space Station allegedly broke last week while in use. When the motor fan suddenly stopped, leaving astronauts with no other option than to use the toilet on board the Soyuz capsule, the Russian crapper. The problem is that this particular toilet has limited capacity. No big dump for you. Luckily, this is a crappy story, but it's all over the news that they're pissed off to coin a pun there. Luckily rescue is at hand since the space shuttle just... Why don't they just jettison this stuff into space and head, you know, just shoot it down to Earth? Well listen, so this actually came from before the space shuttle went off and here it is, the problem is this particular toy has limited... Luckily rescue is at hand since the space shuttle Discovery is set to launch into space on Saturday in order to deliver the second section of the massive Japanese space laboratory Kibu and of course they will have repair parts for the toilet.

37:05 What are they doing up there man? What are they doing on the space station? I just like to know. I know one thing that everyone kind of talks about in the Silicon Valley area is that it turns out you can make some massively interesting silicon crystals in a zero gravity environment. Well, didn't just tell me that. I just did. Yeah, but why should that be a government project? Well, you know, I don't know because we need silicon for government missiles. Very interesting article in the Los Angeles Times titled, A Time Bomb for World Wheat Crop. Now of course we know that Monsanto recently got the go ahead for taking over a lot of the wheat production, I believe in the United States, I think is what we discussed, John.

38:00 And that of course will be their genetically modified version of wheat. So simultaneously, the UG-99 fungus, also known as stem rust, could wipe out more than 80% of the world's wheat crop as it spreads from Africa. The race is on to breed resistant plants before it reaches the US. How convenient. Wow. The spores arrive from Kenya on dried infected leaves and sconced in multiple layers of envelopes. Whatever the fuck that means. Somebody mailed them in. They did. It's like here's a story you should print Los Angeles Times. It came in an envelope.

38:45 Working inside a bio-secure greenhouse outfitted with motion detectors and surveillance cameras, government scientists at the Cereal Disease Laboratory, that's cereal as in C-E-R-E-A-L, cereals, in St. Paul, Minnesota, suspended the fungal spores in a light mineral oil and sprayed them onto thousands of healthy wheat plants. Yeah, good plan. After two weeks the stalks were covered with deadly reddish blisters characteristic of the scourge known as UG-99. Nearly all the plants were goners. I love this writing. Crop scientists... Who at Cornball is writing this stuff? I'm telling you. They're goners. You know who wrote it, John. Yeah.

39:34 Crop scientists fear the UG-99 fungus could wipe out more than 80% of worldwide wheat crops as it spreads from Eastern Africa. It has already jumped the Red Sea and traveled as far as Iran. We can't even get YouTube video out of Iran. How do they know that that shit's there? Anyway, here's a question on my mind. Is it the stuff so deadly, which apparently it is, how is it growing? Where's the wheat in Africa growing at all? Well, experts say it's poised to enter the bread basket of northern India and Pakistan and the wind will inevitably... The rice eaters you mean? Yeah, the bread basket. And the wind will inevitably carry it to Russia, China, even North America if it doesn't hitch a ride with people first.

40:22 hitch a ride with people first. It's a time bomb, says Jim Peterson, professor of wheat breeding and genetics. Another Monsanto dude at Oregon State University. It moves in the air. It can move in clothing, on an airplane. We know it's going to be here. It's a matter of how long it was going to take. I predict the TSA will now be scanning you for UG-99 fungus. I think a lot of people that fly should be scanned for fungus. Yeah, so that of course is very convenient for Monsanto's go ahead to produce and sell genetically modified wheat. So besides, I mean, once you've got corn and wheat, we're pretty much genetically modified people, right? Because that's what we eat. Well, actually we're more of the corn people. We eat more corn than wheat. Yeah, but they've already got the corn. Yeah, that's true.

41:22 Well that's pleasant news. Yes. Somehow I missed that one. We got the bat fungus, we got the dying bees, we got the, now we got a wheat blight. Surely. Which gives them another excuse to grow more corn. Yeah, more genetically modified. And soybeans, which is totally engineered. Well, there's almost no natural soy left in the world, right? But there must be some in China. Didn't we have an article months ago about the Chinese freaking out because they want to have like real soy and not the Monsanto version? Maybe. There's too much to keep track of. But people don't really care.

42:06 And I will tell you why I say that. Producer Aaron Spears sent in a note, Hey Adam, just finished listening to 114, heard you mention the film Food, Inc. towards the end and had to tell you about the audience we're getting for this film. I manage a six screen art house theater in Cleveland, Ohio, a self-righteous progressive stronghold. and have been amazed at the behavior of our audience when documentaries of this sort come out. So of course, this is food ink which is supposed to scare you about where our food actually comes from and how the pretty pictures on the packaging have nothing to do with how it's actually manufactured and genetically engineered. When we had an inconvenient truth show here, which was selling out weekend shows for months,

42:48 There were companies that paid to have us hand out postcards promoting carbon offsets and other such nonsense. Guess what the number one thing was we cleaned up in the theater after each show? Oh yeah, the postcards. I'd say at least half of what was passed out ended up in the trash. Same thing happened when we showed the 11th hour. Now we've been selling out shows of Food Inc. However, the same kind of hypocrisy is taking place with the audience. People line up to get popcorn, popped in canola oil, with extra butter, soybean oil with artificial flavoring and lots of TBHQ, and Diet Coke, which of course...

43:24 and can't contain all kinds of nasty rumsfeld stuff to go see the film about the poor quality of food coming out of the industry industrial food system just makes me laugh and then cry every day i'm at work that's good anyway thought you might enjoy that it did keep up the swine flu mexican flu novel h one and one reporting my wife son and soon to be be born second child appreciated and i'll be donating as soon as my budget allows for uh... and thank you very much and this is true this is the same thing with the you know the so-called or you know it's like all horrible the iranian elections they're all read what a horrible country we know one woman died horrible she got shot i think probably even a stray bullet doesn't matter it was very visual it was a horrific thing to see meanwhile a hundred and thirty people are being killed in chinese riots you don't read anything about but what does this incredibly switched on intelligent audience do

44:18 I'm changing my Twitter icon to green. I'm so against the Iranian suppression. We've got... it's a green revolution! Those people will be the first to get two to the head. You're on a roll today. I'm feeling it baby because I'm just I've just given up on trying to help people The people who are listening to the show I care about you I love you and and and the more we talk about this stuff the more we just raise our awareness level We'll be able to avoid most of the crap that comes down the bike will be okay get your gold avoid the shots and you'll be fine peculiar article sent to me by one of our producers and lawyers and

45:02 DNA from genetically engineered foods can end up in your genes. It's my blue jeans? It's an assembly of a piece. You should be so lucky. Tissues including meat of chicken who had eaten only genetically engineered BT corn were found to contain pieces of the DNA from this food. The problem, however, is that every cell in the plant GE foods contain genetically unstable DNA from the cauliflower mosaic virus. The DNA is suspected to be carcinogenic, blah, blah, blah. Moreover, the CAMV, which is the cauliflower thing, is related to human viruses that cause serious diseases, AIDS, and hepatitis B. The corn grains on one cob of GE can contain hundreds of millions of such pieces of DNA. This is one of several studies that established that the genes in the body may take up potentially harmful photo or pathogenic viral DNA from genetically engineered food.

45:57 Now, a lot of people, I had one of the guys who won a Nobel Prize, he's a famous scientist from San Diego and he teaches down there. I was asking him about this, you know, there's a thing called genetic therapy where you can actually change the genes in your body. Okay. So in other words, so I asked him specifically because that would be an interesting thing. What if you wanted to change somebody's genetic structure so they've been a lifetime brunette and you wanted to make them a redhead? Could you do it in real time? Or could you give them a big rack? There you go, same thing. He said, yeah, absolutely.

46:38 Really? Yeah. So you could change the stuff in real time. So that means that it's possible that, you know, with this summary of this article, in other words, you're eating screw... I mean, I think this will come to a head when somebody eats something and starts glowing the next day, you know, or having an electric charge. So it can have an immediate effect? Yeah. Wow. Hello. Yeah. Hello. That's pretty spectacular. Well, it would be in the case of the big front, but you know. Yeah. What happened to you? I don't know. I just been eating corn. It's them grits.

47:14 Anyway, it's just all bad. Yeah, I mean this is what people don't realize. You know, you've probably heard the saying, you are what you eat. A German research group led by Professor Walter Dorfler at the University of Cologne has repeatedly demonstrated that large enough pieces of DNA to contain a gene may survive digestion. Right. It means it doesn't break down, it stays in your body and becomes a part of you. Moreover, Dörfler showed that these absorbed pieces of DNA were taken up in the tissues of mice and ended up inside the cells. Yeah, that's what it does. I was talking to Mickey this morning, she says, you know, I've got this, what do you want for breakfast? I love her when she makes me breakfast. And she said, do you want some soy milk? I'm like, soy milk? What?

48:03 So I milk and then I lay into this whole thing I said, you know, I was drinking soy milk for a year or two and then John said hey man That'll make your brain shrink and then I started looking into it and the audience producer started sending all these These detailed accounts about what soy can do and so I said, you know, so really this, you know, it will make your brain shrink and it's not good for you. And then, you know, and she said, well, so, you know, why, what is it with soy? And I said, well, for the same reason when they feed this crap to laboratory mice, they die two weeks later. That's the stuff that's happening. You die from it. Slowly.

48:40 Something weird going on John, you know my I've got a link that you can put in the show notes that that steck just gave me which is the government gene It's a human genome project information and a whole thing from the government working on gene therapy And the question is why is the government working on gene therapy? We'll find out. Because they can. You'll love this. This goes in the show notes. People will get a kick out of reading it. Put it on Skype so I don't forget it. Yeah, I'm doing it right now. So, you know, of course, my theory that one of the main reasons, if not the only reason we are in Afghanistan is to protect our investment in the poppy fields since it's pretty clear

49:21 as documented over and over and over again that the US military transportation, not necessarily the US military personnel, but the cover of the military is being used to transport heroin all over the Western world. And if you look at where all the camps are in the Helmand province, they're all surrounding the poppy fields. And now all of a sudden, the US military is bombing poppy seeds They're collecting the poppy seeds. It's like it's almost like a little show going on here. It's like, what do you mean? They're bombing poppy seeds. Okay, the US military bombed about 300 tons of poppy seeds in a dusty field in southern Afghanistan today. So they're not actually bombing the fields.

50:06 But they're taking 300 tons of poppy seeds putting them in the middle of the desert and then blowing them up now Here's what I wanted to get to this is a news clip and I'd written of course the link will be in the show notes I'd really appreciate it if our producers could look at this It's a CNN news clip and tell me that the military so there's a guy with a with a flak jacket standing in a dusty surrounding which is probably Universal Studios lot D and you see behind him you see what looks like military personnel and transporting big sacks which apparently are of poppy onto a flatbed truck which then they apparently are going to go blow up. So I'd like you to look at this and tell me if these uniforms even remotely resemble those of US Marines. Here's a little bit of the clip just so you can listen to it. Oh crap, why is that not working? Have moved into this area. They've been searching through the stalls here and as we can see here, they're loading up

51:03 Thousands of bags of poppy seed. Why poppy seed? This is a major drug producing region. More than 90%... So there's like 10 guys carrying these bags which may be filled with sawdust for all I know. They're putting it on to a flatbed truck, but I keep stopping the video and they just don't look like marine uniforms John yeah, they're They're camo. We have some Marines that listen to our show. I know we do I know we do please take a look at it because even their demeanor even the way they're walking they look like mercenaries they don't yeah Marines have a certain style and so it mercedes are different yes Marines have

51:42 a pride in a way they walk and these guys are like all decked out with you know like mirrored sunglasses and i'm just saying you know i'm like blackwater that's all i'm saying. The world's heroin and opium products come from Afghanistan and a bulk of that comes from Afghanistan's health. So anyway how stupid is this? So the whole idea is, well we want to cut the Taliban drug ties, we've got to reduce the Taliban's income. This sounds to me like they're going to plant poppies so they can have a bigger crop and this is the way of doing it. Well if you really want to get rid of it then why wouldn't you go to the fields? No, they're taking the actual harvested crop and then they're going and burning it up.

52:24 I thought they were, you said they were going to blow it up. Well yeah, blow it up. Burn it up, blow it up. Yeah, but how about this for blowing it up? Not blowing it up at all, but just spreading it with a bomb. Yeah, but that's what they're not doing so it's it's just like hmm. I'm confused by the story anyway here Well, here's where you'll start to understand it. It's a challenge to deliver assistance in a war zone You can hear fighter jets flying above us right now said Rory Donahue a USAID Development officer who USAID there we go. Yeah, this USAID guys are all over the place And of course, this is these are the true economic hitmen Yeah, I like actually one of our listeners is a USA guy and he says is that we're wrong. Oh, yeah He told me she figures he'd say we're wrong. Well, he doesn't seem like a bad guy. So we hit some real news for a second People have been sending this to us as a to to the head story which is funny, of course, this is the the Chinese worker who apparently

53:29 misplaced an iPhone fourth generation and then winds up suicided. Yeah. So the story is... Choked off a roof. Yeah, people say, oh you don't want to mess with Apple. Apple goons. Apple goons. Who just like Goldman Sachs had stellar profits. How do they do that? How do they do that? Nobody's buying anything but Apple, I guess. I don't know. It's amazing because Apple is one of the few companies where the profits and the sales are up. Everybody else's profits are up but sales are down. People say, well, how do you do that? Well, you just fire everybody. Yeah, well, that's one way. That's one way. I mean, a lot of these companies reporting better profits, it is indeed all through cost-cutting measures. That's how you make your profits go up as well. But I think their revenues were pretty good, weren't they?

54:21 Apple's revenues. Yeah. No, everything's up there. Everything's peachy apples on a roll and now that you know, the stock is flying because everybody suspects like I'll give a little background everybody suspects that the when they open up China It's gonna just did companies gonna make so much money. They don't know what won't know what to do with it The stock will go to 300 meanwhile this loss of this 4g phone in a country that counterfeits things like a like there's no tomorrow It seems to me as soon as they roll out their phone in China, there's going to be a Chinese clone of it, a counterfeit copy of it that will be just as good. You won't know the difference because if you've ever been to China and picked up some of these things, they're identical and they look like they're made in the same factories even though they aren't necessarily.

55:04 and they'll flood the market with these things as they become popular and Apple will only get a piece of the action if they get any because these things will be selling for 50 bucks and Apple will be selling for 200. Right, so there's a lot of money riding on it so yeah Apple goons probably did throw the guy off the roof. Well, the thing is, somebody mentioned to me on the Cranky Geek Show that we did last Wednesday that Chinese are going to copy the iPhone whether they get the prototype or not. But it would be nice to have the prototype in advance of the rollout and you might even get your phone out before Apple does. That's funny. Hey, so you have two more sound clips here. Do you want to use those for this episode? Yeah, let's use the just what this goes back to the health care thing, but I want to mention something that's disconcerting play the What do what are the two tips I happen trade and healthy economy now? We better play the cap and trade one with the other one I can we can put off till Sunday, which is a Because I got to get another clip You want to set it up?

56:02 I would saw you know the cap and trade thing well yeah cap and trade is I mean if the big kid the big they had the debate in Congress afterwards that they turns out and I have another would set eclipse that after it's over people could come up and they make comments they say you know I and it so it I don't know it's a half after the debate is over everything's over and they close the debate and everybody's left that these guys start to make comments and I was gonna erase you know as a racing this and I said why'd everything picked up on these comments but here's an example of two comments that took place after the cap and trade debate and I don't have the guys names in front of me but one of them is a Republican the first guy and then the second guy is the Democrat and you can kind of see the orientation of the two groups and the one group that thinks that they've got it knocked. You might as well play it. For what purpose is this gentleman from Texas trying to address the house for one minute? If there's no objection, the gentleman is recognized.

56:55 Thank You mr. Speaker You know just moments ago on this floor. There was cheering there was clapping over the passing of the crap and trade bill Did he say crap and trade? Yeah, he said crap. He said crap and trade. That's funny. Here we go over the passing of the crap and trade bill It's like, Homo says what? Some guy should just do that. Mumble something and the speaker goes, what did the gentleman from Texas say? Homo says what? That would be funny. Let's do it again. It's a little tough to get excited. From a political standpoint, I should be overjoyed because I really believe in my heart. So he's a Democrat. No, he's a Republican.

57:41 He's the one that says crap and trade. He's the Republican. Oh, okay, well, because he says from the political point of view. No, you've got to listen to him because he's being sarcastic. American people find out, and this is just a part of it, when they find out what has been done to them, they are going to be livid and they're going to throw some people out of this body. I just know that'll happen. But I care more about America than I do politics. And I know that we'll be facing the single moms that heard from last summer. They can't afford the gasoline bill. They can't afford the propane. You didn't do a great thing. You hurt some really decent families struggling trying to make it, and this is gonna be their death knell. It breaks my heart. I yield back. Now here comes the Democrat. Let me just ask you a question.

58:33 Propane. Do you use propane? No. Who uses propane? Everybody in Texas. So the Democrat is on the same clip? No, yeah, the Democrat's coming up on the same clip. He's from Tennessee. And you can see where he's coming from. Are there any further requests for one minute? Gentleman from Tennessee, what person do you rise? There's no objection, the gentleman's recognized. Thank you, sir. This is Black Music Month and we had a resolution to introduce... What did he call it? Black Music Month. Black Music Month is important as it reminds people of the history of music in this... What? It's got nothing to do with anything. What the hell is that? They just finished a crap and trade argument and this guy's going off. And I got example after example, the Republicans come out and they moan and groan about something and then the Democrats say, you know, I'd like to talk about marm- marmots in the state of Kentucky. That's funny. I mean, I'm all for Black Music Month.

59:49 Yeah, get Kanye West on the floor. This healthy economy now is only 29 seconds. You want to hit that or not? Yeah, this is part, there's a going on right now in California I know and I'm sure in the rest of the country there is an advertising campaign done by one group called, you know, this one's called the American Economy Healthy America or something like that. I wrote it down somewhere and I can't find it. And the other one is done by AFSCME, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which is a union. And when I looked at who runs this particular operation, where I have the clip from, this is actually SEIU, which is the Service Employees International Union. So these unions are pushing the following advertisement.

1:00:34 On the public, there's about five variations of this that I can tell. I've got two of them and play it. If we don't act, medical bills will wipe out their savings. If we don't act, she'll be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition and he won't get the chemotherapy he needs. If we don't act, health care costs will rise 70%. and he'll have to cut benefits for his employees. But we can act. The President and Congress have a plan to lower your costs and stop denials for pre-existing conditions. It's time to act. Yeah, you know, I was going to mention that I was scanning around the channels yesterday and every single news, cable news channel

1:01:18 is just surround, all the programming and of course programming as you know John having worked in television is only there to fill up the gaps between the commercials. Every commercial pod is filled with either pharmaceutical ads or all these ads to pass the the health care bill and this is just one version of it I mean I've heard so many different ones. Here's the other one, the AFSCME version is more interesting because it's advocating that you contact Diane, I'm sorry, Dianne Feinstein and tell her to vote for the bill. She's a Democrat, she's voting for the bill. Why is it Dianne Feinstein and not Barbara Boxer that you're supposed to contact unless this is just essentially a cheap promotion for Dianne Feinstein, you know, by mentioning her name over and over and over again because she's

1:02:08 closely connected with AFSCME which is a union. No, no, no, John, it's psychological warfare. It's PSYOPS. It's real easy. I mean you want, first of all, no one even knows who's a Republican or a Democrat. They say, oh I'll call her. Yeah sure. And then I think it's, I still think it's coming out of her office so she can go and say I have gotten all these letters. and ninety percent of them tell me to vote for this bill so that's why I'm voting for the bill. It's kind of a cover your ass approach. But you have to question, and any normal thinking person who probably listens to this show, you have to question the validity of the programming if it is completely paid for by the pharmaceutical industry and all these special interest groups who are telling you to vote for this health care bill. Yeah, no there's no question about that. How can they be objective? They can't because you can't

1:02:57 it's look we aren't in the advertising business this is why this show has no advertising because if i sat here and said you know swine flu vaccinations are going to kill you don't take them and then we or we're talking about genetically modified wheat and then we have a monsanto commercial the show would and very very quickly it would be over i'm not gonna argue the point but did but there's another point here that i want to mention that that were dash is more galling I thought Channel 11, the ads that you just heard there was on Channel 11, KNTV, the NBC affiliate in Northern California. These are the same people along with KGO says they do not take advocacy ads. They do not take activist ads. So we cannot run the marijuana ad and they're running this.

1:03:44 Well of course because these are the guys that have tons and tons and tons of money. It's a little annoying to me that these guys make a big stink about not running the marijuana ad, the woman who wants to legalize it, and then they push in this stuff as this looks like an advocacy ad if any has ever been. Of course it's an advocacy ad and everything's filled with it. It's filled with it. Anyway. You know, there was another pharma ad that I saw which really blew me away. I'm just looking for it. It was sent to us by a producer. Hold on, because it involved a new product which I had not heard of yet. Oh boy, let's see. I want to look for the 22nd. These guys need to develop a new antibiotic. Oh no, again, you know, the pharma industry which is just so incredibly big and so

1:04:40 ingrained into the whole system. All these patents are running out, which I'm sure is why ACTA, which we haven't talked about in a while, but I'm sure ACTA is going to have a lot to do with the patents on pharmaceutical inventions. So all these drugs, many of these drugs are really good and do save lives, but they've been around for... How long does a patent last on... 26 years. Is that it? Pretty much, yeah. They figure if you can't make your money in 26 years, you know, we got to get this stuff into the public domain So I guess I'm not able to fight. Anyway, it's a it's a medicine

1:05:19 That actually grows your eyelashes and they've got... Oh yeah, I saw that. It's like, well who is working on these things and why? Wait, what was the name of it? Because I want to find that commercial. I can't remember the name of it but yeah, it grows your eyelashes. This is creepy. Let's see, Shields. I can find it in Gmail. I thought I had tagged that for this episode. Hold on. Yeah, we'll get it on Sunday. Oh no, no, I'll get it. Maybe I deleted it. What the f... What was I thinking? Maybe you were too tempted. How do you spell Brooke with an E? Brooke? There's also Brooks. Talking about our guy? No, I'm talking about Brooke Shields. Oh, with an E. B-R-O-O-K-E. Yeah, maybe somehow it got deleted. Oh, that's too bad. I'll find it for Sunday because when you see the commercial it's even better, but when you listen to it you're like, whoa. Yes, a creepy product. Okay, so what we haven't talked about, John, you know.

1:06:22 Swine flu. Yes and freeze m76 Our lawyer by the way says the patents last 17 to 20 years depending on filing date my understanding was 26, but okay freeze m76 probably an alias Says Adam time for some real news and it's really time to really move the swine flu agenda forward we need a celebrity to die from swine flu and Didn't we suggest this earlier? And now, back to real news. Here it comes, straight out of Gitmo Nation East. The big news is... The Sugar Babes have been strucken by swine flu! UK girl band The Sugar Babes have been struck down with a deadly swine flu. Band members Heidi Range and Emile Berraba have been put into quarantine after the...

1:07:16 I'm sorry, I can't read it with a straight face. Have been put into quarantine after they developed symptoms of the virus. Keisha, 24, admitted, I definitely don't have the swine flu, but the other girls are all ill with it. We've had to cancel all our events for the next week or so while the girls get better. I can't believe I know someone who has swine flu. I'm sure we'll all laugh when it's over though. The girls were due to meet the US music mogul Jay-Z this week to talk over promoting their new single Get Sexy in the States. But they've been ordered to cancel all promotional duties on their new track for at least two weeks, including their slot at the Reading and Leeds festivals this weekend. This is big news, John!

1:07:55 And now, back to Real News. Well, you know, if I was one of these celebrities, and I don't know how many celebrities per se listen to our show, but I would not let them quarantine me and I wouldn't even go get tested because if they take you off the radar, you know, and then the next thing you know you get the report that you're dead, they get the dead celebrity they want because it would be useful to promote swine flu vaccine to have a debt-free... Of course, of course. In the UK, and once again John, we were way ahead of the curve. We already called this, remember we were laughing about the phone consultations and they should just have a, you know, if you are coughing press one, if you're hawking up mucus press two. You have the swine flu. So the United Kingdom is now going to open up a call center

1:08:48 where you can actually call in if you suspect that you have the swine flu and these will be manned. Two thousand people will be on the phones telling you if you indeed have the swine flu based upon your answers and then you can have a swine flu buddy. A swine flu buddy can then go pick up some Tamiflu for you. Brother. Looks like they're starting trials in Australia. Actually starting. Well as Canada, let me yeah. Yeah. No, they've started the trials in Australia. Hold on. I'm gonna this was sent to me Australia this was sent to me by several of our producers out there listening to to know a genie I got one of them to do you have one handy? And no because my email box seems to be not doing its search properly I'm gonna have to pre open these files before we do this show and

1:09:49 So no, I don't hold on a second. Here it is. This is from Alex Alexei Sydney Australia on Wednesday began human trials for a swine flu vaccine as concerns grew over the disease after its global death toll past 700 Some 240 adults and 400 children are involved in the trial at the Royal Adelaide Hospital with the government hoping to start mass immunization within months. As soon as I have confirmed that the vaccine is safe and effective, I will ensure it can be rolled out to the community, Health Minister Nikola Rokhson said. Of course, Australia has already ordered 21 million shots, though I guess that would be enough for everybody.

1:10:35 So here it is, this is the thing that really freaked me out. The CSL Biotherapy, CSL Limited, who's developing this vaccine, said many people had volunteered for the swine flu vaccine trial because they wanted to avoid catching the disease. We're talking about kids between six months and nine years. Yeah, they volunteered. A six-month-old kid held up his hand and said, What a crock! That's a good one. It involves two injections and two blood tests.

1:11:11 And what they're actually doing, John, is they're, so the first injection is, you know, of a regular dose and then they get a double dose just to see if there's a difference, if it works better. Yeah, right. See if it kills them. So they've actually started. They've started. And, you know, who is this CSL all of a sudden? Where are all the other guys? How many companies are making this stuff? It looks like about a half, six or so, it looks like to me. And I think they're all variations. I'm telling you, this is a, you know, although some people think this is an attempt to kill, to cull the public, I still think it's just an attempt to find an adjuvant that works. And they're going to just use the public as a test bed. I'm sending you, I'm forwarding you a message from Doc, who I've been working with for a long time on podcasting. He actually got me set up on

1:12:04 Ableton Live which has been a lifesaver for me to be able to produce this show. He's a doctor and he has sent me, when I was doing the daily source code, he would send me information. He specializes in vaccinations and he knows a lot about this stuff and he sent a, well just let me read this to you what he says. Always following on Jenna, consequences of vaccination are a central point in my job. This often puts me in conflict with the rest of the medical community, but I have to say you're doing a good, he's Italian so it's a little off, you're doing a good investigative work and you are on the right path. If you like I can give you a lot of info about adjuvants, old and new, are dangerous. How Guillain-Barre is only the tip of the iceberg, how big pharma knows this, and how big pharma wants this and gets revenue from this.

1:12:48 Find attached a slide from one of my presentations from last year. It's about Gardasil. This is the HPV Injection John which now I'm more convinced probably was a pre adjuvant test You can get a hint of the effect of adjuvants. So if you look at this chart and do you have it there? No, I don't. And by the way, hepatitis B is another one of these that uses adjuvants to an extreme. So we have... Which is a non... It's like a unnecessary... I went to my doctor, I said, what is with this? Because I heard about this. I said, and he's a reasonably good doctor. I said, what's with this hepatitis B vaccine? He says, you don't want a hepatitis V vaccine. He says, you're working with blood all day?

1:13:29 It's the only people that need it. So this chart, you can't get your email at all? No. Oh, it sucks. It's the post-dosed evaluation of injection. I can't read that. Did you send me a link to it on the Skype thing? Well, it's not a link. Oh, it's on the email? Well, hold on a second. Yeah, I can do that. Hold on, I'll do that for you. You'll freak out at this chart. You're just going to love it. Hold on. Okay, because it has a yeah, well this will probably kill our sky connection, but it's not necessarily It has the adverse experience of pain swelling or erythema Arrhythmia arrhythmia, what's arrhythmia? It's a palpitations of the heart right so after receiving a vaccine after receiving an aluminium containing placebo

1:14:26 and after receiving a saline placebo and you'll see what kind of stuff is going on here. So I guess it's okay for me to put that chart in the show notes. I know he's listening so I'll wait until he confirms that. Is it his chart? It's his chart. He may have to cover up some data. Yeah, so I won't post that until I hear from him. We don't like to bust our moles. No, no, no, no, no. So let me see, there was Canada also gearing up for the trials. Let me get, there you go. Let me get that. So I'm looking at it. It did kind of screw up the Skype a little bit. This is erythema. I don't know what erythema is. I don't either.

1:15:15 I'll look it up. So are why thema so anyone said look it up on the chat room So I know that you received this email although you might have kind of read over this was from this was aired on or on the blog on the website of KPBS where a Barbara Ferrer Executive Director of the Boston Public Health Commission says... But by the way, I'm looking at this chart. So if you're going to get a shot, tell people, whoever's doing it, you want the saline placebo. Can I have the placebo, please? Don't actually give me the shot. I don't want the real deal. Anyway, go ahead. Okay, I'm looking for... This is such a wonderful article. This is where you bust someone.

1:16:08 This person says that they have never used adjuvants in vaccines in America ever. That's not, no he says in flu vaccines. In flu vaccines. Yeah, I think that's true. All the other vaccines, a lot of them have it. You really think they've never used it in a flu vaccine? I don't see why they'd have to because they could always crank out enough of this stuff, they don't need the adjuvants. I don't know that it's true but it doesn't strike me as not being true. Okay, well I when I read that I kind of read it differently and I was like wait a minute How can you say the word we have never used? I just flew specific to flu the seasonal flu vaccine because you know I know that hepatitis B for example definitely has it and you're right the problem is no US flu vaccine has ever included an adjuvant and in Europe experience with adjuvant containing flu vaccines has been limited to vaccines for the elderly Yeah, kill them first

1:17:14 Well, the target for pandemic H1N1 vaccine will largely be children and younger. I love that. The target for the pandemic. There was another thing. The World Health Organization held a meeting with all of the health commissioners from their member states and they refused to release minutes. Even better than that, they say no minutes were taken of this meeting. So, you know, that's bad news. Yeah, well, yeah, they're covering something up when they don't take minutes. The bite law says that the reason they're doing the testing, they're going to turn these people into antibody breeders. So you get a whole big test group and then you lock them up and then you suck the blood out of them because that's where you can get your... That's where you get what? You get your vaccine? You get your vaccine from their blood. Cool. It's a science fiction story. I've read it. We could write it, dude. We could so totally write this one.

1:18:15 Swine flu shots to boost Baxter. Company reports second quarter profit increased by 13%. 2009 forecast raised. Yeah, duh. Of course, let's not forget this is an Illinois-based company, Chicago to be exact. This is all part of the Chicago thugs that have taken over our country. Actually, ever since they put the live avian flu in their vaccines, I don't see how they can even be in business. It doesn't make any sense to me. No one has investigated that. There was a, someone did ask the equivalent of a congressional question in the Dutch parliament. No answer has come in yet, but I did see the question. I think it was the Socialist Party.

1:19:02 Oh no, it was the party for animals. There's an actual animal party in Holland and they did ask the health minister, hey, what's going on? What's with the forced vaccinations? Have you heard about Baxter? They'll get an answer sometime after the recess, I'm sure. And then my sister who lives in Gitmo Nation East, In Italy she sent in a pretty interesting article which I didn't even know you hadn't read John. No, I end up blogging it though. You want to just summarize it? Yeah, summarize it. No, I want you to summarize it. Oh yeah, some woman who is a science writer with kind of a sketchy career.

1:19:46 has sued the WHO, Barack Obama and everybody and their sister for attempting to euthanize the public with these swine flu shots which she says are illegal and forced vaccination. It's a very interesting thing. It's probably easier to read the whole thing on the blog than listen to the summary but it's an actually interesting lawsuit but it's kind of backed up unfortunately by David Ickes and all the other... I mean it's very crackpot. David Icke. Ike Ike. Oh here I found Latisse John. Oh you did? Yeah. She in the house there? No. Latisse is... Oh you're not talking about the... You're not talking about the rapper.

1:20:37 it's not. I'm using Latisse, the first and only FDA approved prescription treatment for inadequate or not enough lashes. Inadequate or not enough lashes. FDA approved for your convenience. It's unbelievable. Listen to this thing. It's great. Treatment for inadequate or not enough lashes. It's actually, oh wait a minute, here's the name of it John. It's called Bimatropost Alpha Limic Solution. What is he pronouncing these things like my wife? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Lateef Solution is a prescription treatment for hip, hip, hip, oh God.

1:21:17 Oh God. Yeah. You hit a gazetteer. Hypertrocosis used to grow eyelashes making them longer, thicker and darker. But now listen to the side effects. Treatment for inadequate or not enough lashes. Applied nightly as instructed by your doctor. Lateece grows lashes in as little as eight hours. weeks with full results in 12 to 16. If you are using prescription products for lowering eye pressure or have a history of eye pressure problems, only use Latisse under close doctor care. It may cause eyelid skin darkening, which may be reversible. And there is potential for increased brown iris pigmentation, which is likely permanent. If you develop or experience any eye problems or have eye surgery, consult your doctor immediately. Common side effects include itchy eyes and eye redness. Grow longer, fuller, darker lashes.

1:22:03 Yeah, and much died. How do you like my lashes, honey? I don't know, you look like you've been smoking dope for a month. Wait, here's the best part, here it comes. So, findadoctoratlatisse.com. Oh, these doctors should be boycotted. Anybody on that list. And it's Brooke Shields doing this whole commercial. I know, Brooke Shields should be... This is terrible. Yeah, and I really like her. I want to like her, but I can't like her anymore. This is so wrong. So wrong. I'm using it. Oh probably not we When we were talking about the the co-op, what was that John the national?

1:22:49 What was that thing we were talking about, wondering if it was a commercial entity? Was that the operation that we looked into last week? Yeah, so producer Brett says, I went to Cincinnati and was in the co-op engineering program. I assure you that it's a for-profit enterprise and the students get paid. I did quite nicely, thank you. Oh, well that's good. Yeah, that's good to know. And they start passing the money around to the students, the kids, the children. Yes, that's good. It's a good thing. Here we go. Mass immunization exercise in Canada. Andrew from Gitmo Nation Light, as we call it, up there in Canada.

1:23:28 After listening to all your reports on forced vaccinations in the US, Adam and John, I started to look around to see if there's anything happening in Canada. To my surprise, the Canadian federal government along with the provincial government of Ontario have been running mass immunization exercises in Canada. These exercises have been happening in the northern parts of the province, away from the media and cameras and have been run using the Oneida of the Thames and Constant Lake First Nation communities. What are these, like Eskimos? First Nations? It's all Native Ameri- Native livers. They're not Native Americans, but they're Canadians. That's what they are. North Americans. They selected these groups of people due to the quote, different populations, geographic circumstances and emergency plans and each carried out the exercise differently to reflect their specific circumstances and needs. Nonetheless, common goals and outcomes were identified through a coordinated approach and can be taken into consideration by other communities planning mass immunization exercises in Ontario.

1:24:29 The exercise tested each community's ability to provide immunization safely and efficiently to as many people as possible in a one-hour period. What are they going to do? Can you say genocide? A man is like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. God. They're like hammering that shit out. So there's, oh he has so much. I wish he had a link to some of this. They're going to have to go back to the gun if they're going to do that much shooting. The vaccine gun. Yeah. Absolutely. There's just so much, and I'd really like to ask you to no longer email me these stories because I can't keep track of them. If you put them at drop.io slash daily source code, or I think it's actually noagendadrop.com. You can email them to me, but you have to put noagenda or NA in the subject line. And John, if you'd like a nice little trip, we could take some of our money and go to Cannes for Panfluvac.

1:25:31 which is another fine conference in con yes in con that's all I'd like to whether going with such a low budget operation and flew back or Oh man, these words. Efficacious vaccine formulation system for prophylactic control of influenza pandemics is a specific targeted research and innovation project financed by the sixth framework program of the European Union. Yes, let's go to Cannes, European Union bastards.

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