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00:00 What is going on with those people? Adam Curry, John C. DeVora It's Thursday November 22nd 2018 This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1088 This Is No Agenda Stomping on Skype bugs and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state once again in downtown Austin Tejasian the Cluedio Ian the Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where we did miss the Zephyr And it was a unique 10 car train. I'm John C DeVore. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Oh my god! Woooo! Listen to that horn! Alright, happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone out there who will be celebrating Thanksgiving. Everyone except the Canadians who already had Thanksgiving somewhere near the first of November You know

00:55 The Dutch, we've talked about this I just got back from my trip to the Gitmo Nation lowlands. The Dutch you know they love taking little traditions and just taking... They don't really like America they think Trump is horrible and you know were all racist but interestingly Even though, well we already know they took Halloween. The Dutch have Halloween celebrations They have Halloween parties It's not spelled the same it's Helloween which is entirely based on the movies that's why they think it's cool But of course the Netherlands has no Thanksgiving since you know they were not fortunate enough to kill the natives of our country and eat their turkeys

01:40 But they have a- You built the whole thing from scratch. But they have a Black Friday now, which is tomorrow at the same day... Yes I noticed this was going on in England too Yeah so we don't have Thanksgiving because you know it's not our celebration not our country but hey man we have black friday for shopping! It's unbelievable Yes, I noticed this last year when we were spending Thanksgiving in London. Oh that's right! And they had a Black Friday... What the hell is Black Friday? What are you guys talking about?! Can we somehow turn this racist? Well that would end it

02:20 Why is it called Black Friday? What is the actual... Because this one day of the year that the books go black, they're going to be... Oh! Is that really the reason? Yeah. It's not because we see tons of black people piling on top of each other in Walmart? No. That's about just a one day where all of sudden now these department stores are already profit mode making money now Oh, okay. I don't think if you went on the street and you asked anyone...I don't think three out of ten would know or would have that answer? I never knew until i looked it up there was a time some years back as well they call this Black Friday is kind of disgusting that's when things are supposed to go bad its black friday so in the market crash yeah black it's about the black day black death yeah all over this with their books flip huh I didn't realize that interesting

03:12 They do have that tradition. You learn something new on the NOAH Agenda Show every time you listen to it Yes, yes you do And the 10 car train is part of a... There it is I kept seeing these ten car trains for the last week and I'm thinking as we're looking at these trains again why are they ten cars all of sudden? They've always been eight maybe nine and it turns out that was like yesterday was the number one travel day uh..of all time I mean this is the time everyone travels apparently yesterday was the big day Yes! Idiot would travel on a day like that. That would be me! That's right, I came home yesterday although i was traveling from uh From Gitmo Lowlands through London Back to Austin so I didn't really have the you know the national internal rush that we had and it was actually It was okay but let me tell you what

04:04 What do you mean internal? Are you talking about the internal flights? No, US domestic flights. Why would they be trying to... there's no Thanksgiving in Europe! But that was the only thing that was really messed up. International flights coming in there were no real issue Going to the going to a US airport standing in us Airport lines. That's what I'm saying I didn't have I was at the airport at 5 in Amsterdam to get out believe me very calm at that time of hope and then I flew to London you know he'd learn you go to terminal five and You have to do stay within the terminal, but then you have no stop back up Schiphol, the Netherlands. Schiphol Amsterdam Airport as you leave the country this is new I have not seen this before You scan your boarding card you can see the customs guy right there because there is a exit interview in The Netherlands for your customs when you're leaving they stamp you in stamp you out and

05:01 But before that, there's this you know... There's gates and you have to stay at a little glass gate. You have to go into a portal kind of like a subway station. You scan your boarding card and then it says look here! Boom boom boom. There is light flashing off to the right. You see yourself on the camera And it's doing complete facial recognition scan. Almost makes the sound It lasted about 30 seconds before it finally let me in. I took my glasses off, maybe that helped or not? Maybe it couldn't find me but it sure got a scan of me! If it wasn't scanning it was making one...I don't like that! That just appeared out of the blue

05:43 And of course, that's after you then slide your passport into their little scanner. So they're linking my face with my passport not that the passport doesn't have a picture Anyway Then you go to London now You're in terminal five do arrive in Terminal 5 and? You want to do it transit see again you go through similar little glass gates you scan your your your boarding card And then you have to go through security again. Have you ever done this secure? I don't know if i've talked about this, have you ever done the security going back to the US in Terminal 5 at Heathrow because you have to essentially go through a whole security process again

06:25 Except these agents are dicks. They're rude, they're just asses! Many of them women actually. Are these American agents? No, these are British and they are rude... ...they treat you like an idiot To me it feels very chauvinistic Brits You don't understand this?! I spit on you foreigner It's like just assholes Really goads me And I've had this a couple of times. It's just like, wow! You know it gets to the point where of course my bag has to be ripped open but you know they're really cavalier they walk back and forth excuse me i'm kind of waiting on my bag then they give you look and make you wait five more minutes other passengers... Then I am packing my bag in which they have opened up

07:14 And you know, and they say excuse me I need the space. You just unpack this and I'm packing it in yes yeah i need the space you have to move. The passengers fellow passengers saying take your time you know we'll wait for her just their asses! And I saw every single...I had three hours layover what is going on with those people? It's un-British in a way. Oh, it is very un-British! You know this is why it baffles me but maybe it is actually the real true Brits but they just treat you with disdain and I'm not saying our TSA officers are any better yelling at ya... But so surprising because you don't expect it in the UK anyway

07:57 There you go. So what was my point? Well, we were trying to discuss the tribulations of traveling on the worst travel. Yes there you go. So for me otherwise it was fine just took forever You land in Austin, you're good to go but the suitcase... I don't know. I think they- So you've already been prechecked in London? Is that the idea? Yeah checked all the way through yeah And then you just get off and Austin and your done Well yeah! You wait for an hour and a half because when you are prechecked you get that long transit sticker and of course they put you somewhere way in front or back of the plane so you're first on and definitely last off with your baggage

08:39 Which is just whatever I'm that's the first world problems however quick update sports Oh no. Yes, yes, yes. The Warriors suck! That's the sports news from us over here in the San Francisco Bay Area. The Warriors suck? The Dutch as you know they had trounced and humiliated the World Cup winner France all they had to do is have a tie score against the Germans their second game against the Germans and it looked like we were all gonna have to jump off of the balcony because it was...they were 2-0 down at half

09:15 And they pulled it out of their butts and tied the Germans in the last minutes. They came for their bikes, and they took back a wheel... not the whole thing but at least a wheel Very proud of the Dutch. This is a big deal yeah, oh yeah tying a game with Germany yes and interesting it nil-nil No It was it was no it was to nil To two four missed you too there was two nil for most of the game And then at the very meal in the very last ten minutes They pull the one out that all do their hat I That's actually called doing it. It's never mind you're just gonna scoff that doesn't matter I will know no longer talk about The most popular sport in the world, and we'll do that Why do you think it is the most popular sport because they actions in this dance or people beating up each other? No Oh, it's a very simple sport that anyone can play just need to ball on a couple of sticks

10:14 It's a sport everybody can pick up immediately. You can't just pick up American football, you can't put any effort in it... You need a basketball and your hoops to play basketball and then this is soccer or football predates so many sports. And its an exciting sport just not on TV Well, it's never gonna be good on TV as you pointed out before. Yeah no advertising No what you can't put if he can't put it on TV. They don't stop the game like they cannot put it on TV All right back just back to Thanksgiving for a moment Do we need to do the story of Thanksgiving? It's kind of a tradition I've been shortening up a little bit yeah, I'd like you to give a quick Recap and then I have agreed from an old column. I wrote in 2004

11:03 The term Thanksgiving was brandished throughout US history and officially codified by Lincoln in 1863 at the behest of an activist woman, writer named Sarah Hale. Before 1863, there was no Thanksgiving per se but a lot of proclamations giving thanks for this and that. Some called Thanksgiving. There are virtually no Thanksgiving events from the Thomas Jefferson administration until Sarah revitalized the dying idea. Her rationale is that Americans didn't have enough holidays." Really? She had the right idea there. The Lincoln Thanksgiving was justified as a celebration of the North's victory in winning the Battle of Gettysburg and had absolutely nothing to do with pilgrims or anything of the sort, that nonsense was all reverse engineered by sentimentalists even the first supposed at Thanksgiving in 1621 which is kind of funny because I was reading on Twitter about how suddenly George Washington is now the inventor of Thanksgiving

12:02 He had absolutely zip to do with it. It never ends, it never ends this changing story of the fake Thanksgiving lore. Fake Thanksgiving. Anyway in 1621 there was a three-day one shot party modeled after something called Harvest Home. It wasn't called Thanksgiving. Harvest Home was the end of the harvest party celebrated in parts of the British Isles This party didn't happen again. In fact, most of these invited Indian guests to the 1621 event were later butchered by the growing population of settlers! Thanksgiving!

12:40 Anyway, there's other examples of these one shots. Anyways Lincoln who made it this is the last of the story Lincoln who made it a yearly event also made its stick to the fourth Thursday in November It only changed now get this they only changed for two years during their Franklin Roosevelt administration and moved up a week in hopes of stretching I believe this is a fact. In hopes of stretching the Christmas buying pattern an extra week... Oh, oh! I believe that. That totally sounds American. Yeah in hopes of helping the economy it was already known fact that Thanksgiving was to kick off to Christmas buying A slew of half-hearted traditionalists and then you get these traditionalists found the Roosevelt change an abomination

13:27 Since it somehow insulted pilgrims or the DAR who knows who and it was changed back after a couple of years of bickering. Right, so... So Thanksgiving is bogus and now we have a new thing which is the addition to that old story Of this thing called Friendsgiving What? Oh yeah, this is hot. Look it up! This sounds like a social justice warrior move Well what it's supposed to... there are two things going on with it and one of them is slightly... slightly? One of them is extremely disgusting if you look it up in the Urban Dictionary definition number four Friendsgiving is where you dip your nuts into the turkey gravy

14:07 and film it, and then serve the gravy. And then show people the film like a couple weeks later." John you need to get another column or something because your spending too much time on the internet looking at weird shit man this has gotta stop! So friendsgiving is which is...you'll see the term a lot used especially this year is the idea that you have friends over, as though you never did. Friends over for the Thanksgiving feast instead of or in lieu of or in place of family. Thanksgiving means family. Friendsgiving means friends because we hate your family. Yeah oh gosh yeah

14:50 And it's the balls in the nut. I like friends giving and seeing as you know, but I'm not gonna have any gravy I was not supposed to even do a show today But you know seeing is you were only thinking of yourself that here we are Here's how it went We I'll tell you the story from my perspective then we got to move on I was pretty convinced we had discussed having a best of interview show on Thanksgiving this year and John had done one interview with the Mooch, and I think we're gonna do another one or it was kind of a little bit like a couple lined up It was a little unclear but it's pretty sure. We're gonna Do a special show and then John is all like well? I don't have to cook anyway No one's coming over so screwed. I'm just we're gonna do a show. I'm like yeah I have people coming

15:39 You didn't consider me for one second Whatever I decided that I decided the real reason you can't you could have just said no The reason I tried. He went oh man, No Okay, the real reason the real reason is that we've got showed 1089 33 squared right coming up the next show this Sunday and I think we needed to tease it well So this is just a promotional episode. Oh, okay. Yes exactly! It's a promotional episode I forgot... now i understand. I'm completely on board Let me then move into this Do you have any idea when the tradition started of the United States president pardoning a turkey for Thanksgiving?

16:29 I'm glad you asked because i am assuming now that you know. No, I don't! And did some research? No no I believe it's the first president might have been No, I don't know. The reason i don't know is because I did not look it up because I don't care and it's a totally fake event and something every president does every single year and its fun- I wish Obama Trump- Wait! Just be quiet It's fun...it's like..its fake Its make believe, its like Santa Claus, its like Black Peds, its just fake fun Can the news media today Just play along just for one day. Just play along for one day with the fake that everyone knows is fake without insulting or without pulling some other crap into it, you know the Orange man bad no it doesn't seem to be possible

17:19 I cut out all the ceremonious stuff, just got you the intro and the outro. The president is actually about to take the podium at the White House we're going to go ahead and listen in there at this Rose Garden event it's actually the turkey pardon uh i mean you can't make this up happening at this moment let's... Now now the fact that she starts off by saying you can't make this up! I'm like wait a minute Is this something new? Did they not know the president does a fake pardoning of a turkey. I mean, you hear that aren't you set up and very interested as to why there this year is different

17:58 I was. With that introduction, it makes it sound very singular that Obama never did it or Bush never did it or Clinton never did it or Kennedy never did it or Johnson never did it and I was even more surprised by what it was all about. The president is actually about to take the podium at the White House we're going to go ahead and listen in there at this Rose Garden event It's actually the turkey pardon uh... you can't make this up happening at this moment let's listen Good afternoon, everyone. A very special day at the White House. We are thrilled to be joined today

18:41 And there you have it, President Trump pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey. The annual tradition peas the name of this Turkey and just the most unusual dichotomy here as this comes on the heels of a statement that the president has put out essentially pardoning Saudi Arabia and the crown prince in the king there despite what I mean if you if that's what you have to now take the pardoning of a Turkey and say what an unbelievable dichotomy as he's essentially pardoning Saudi Arabia from their atrocities. That is the biggest sharp jump I've ever seen! Well, let's stop on that subject matter for one second which is

19:34 Trump says that he had a briefing from Gina, the head of the CIA and I guess somebody else's FBI guy or someone. And he says they don't know really what happened. No, there's no report did you see a report yet? Was there CIA report but yet all these news media outlets keep saying the CIA to CIA to CIA citing some mysterious report based on apparently someone at The Washington Post Saying it that it exists the The Washington Post published It exists, it's coming according to people familiar with the process. According to sources who could not be identified. According to sources who would not speak on the record because they were not authorized to do so." This is...it's so easy these days! Just print a headline say I got some sources and be The Washington Post then you can do whatever you want and now this has contaminated the fake turkey pardoning called the dichotomy

20:32 He's pardoning a real nation, although it is no actual pardon. There's no presidential Pardon going to Saudi Arabia This is you know standing have sovereignty over Saudi Arabia that we can pardon anybody Do they not see the irony of this or are they just now trying to befuddle the public? But it's still not too far away from the sovereignty we must seem to see over Julian Assange, who's not even an American citizen. Right! We're gonna... And they've indicted him for treason. How do you indict somebody? Would you just indict random people that are Australians? Well, we indict random Russians Yeah, we did You're right, we indicted a bunch of random Russians Sure That'll never show up in court Except for the one Showboating Except for the one guy that actually said it yeah I'm taking you into court Yo, they don't know what to do about that

21:28 Well, yes couple questions come over here on indictment and ask for discovery that'll take care of that problem. Yeah So anyway, being in Europe for a week you really can almost see these little cyclones of outrage that are just spinning around. You're in whole different time zones so you get the news and it's just very different and I was receiving it in a very different manner. I wasn't on Twitter incessantly reading some stuff getting stories from people... It's all about nothing! And then it's all like this turkey story It's all like, oh no this, oh that. And now we have the... I can assure you that if Trump-I thought it was actually convinced and I was regretful that he didn't drop this stupid idea and i can assure you that if he had said no we're not doing that dumb turkey party anymore He would've been ruining American traditions! Yeah they woulda raked him over the coals.

22:30 Hmm. Well, I did want to do a little segment here. I have two clips because i've noticed a very distinct uh Narrative that's taking place a conversation and the conversation goes something like this I like what trump does? I hate the way he does it except it's a little different We're now talking about we're talking about policy versus style Style you see And this is now, it's going to be used as a defense. So Trump supporters which by the way are called Trump supporters around the world it's not Trump voters or Republicans or people who like him even in Holland its or in the UK I was in both

23:16 over the past week. Trump supporters, what does that even mean? Well they have another term that they use here a lot which is called The Base. Haha! The base yeah. He's catering to THE BASE. Yes well this is policy versus style and you'll hear people who do favor the president's policy often saying but I disapprove of his style and this came up in two. I'm trying to think which one to play first actually, I'll do this This was Don Lemon it's a rather long clip But I really think it's interesting the conversation was between four women we had

24:02 a white Democrat, a white Republican, a black University of Berkeley professor of history Stephanie Rogers and we had black Don Lemon. So four women are on the panel And I know it's just mean of me to say that but i can't help it. They're all coffee clatching and the assertion from the professor history Stephanie Rogers is that women, white women actually have been a part of the white supremacy and institutional racism that has dominates all things unfair in our country

24:43 And although not everyone agrees, ultimately it comes down to how he says stuff or what he says versus policy and then we'll kind of wind that up with a MSNBC clip. But first just listen to this because the whole conversation is just intense to me when it comes to divisiveness through racism. Stephanie, you're quoted in this Fox article as saying for centuries white women have invested in white supremacy because their whiteness affords them a particular kind of power that their gender does not explain what you mean by that?

25:20 So you see this is a pretty loaded topic right off the bat. White women's investments in the institutional So as a historian, I explore white women's economic investments in the institution of slavery. Very small minority of people that had slaves In the south, well not a small minority but it was a minority. Economic investment? That means they're putting money into it or investing? I think what she might be headed toward is that now you have slaves and you don't have to do the dishes

26:11 And what that has led me to understand is that there's this broader historical context that we need to keep in mind when we're looking at white women's voting patterns today. As we look at their support, their overwhelming support of Donald Trump... When a professor is trying to explain such a heady topic as this and laughs right off the bat! White women's Support of Donald Trump. I mean this is Berkeley. Well there's a tail right there because the white women support of Donald Trump was 51%. How is that like a major deal?

26:56 support of Donald Trump and so... She's lying, that's a tell. That's that laugh tale Yeah but it's not okay in this topic because there is nothing funny. It's a lie because the white women support is 51% I'd only call that a bandwagon! ...think of white women as primarily focusing on their gendered oppression, that because they are oppressed as women that that oppression will allow for them to ally and to sympathize with other dispossessed and disempowered peoples in the nation. But my research actually shows that they long had a deep investment in white supremacy, and not only did they benefit from it but they participated in its construction and perpetuation

27:47 She left again. Oh, yeah not just in the context of slavery not just in the colonial period but well after slavery was over So Alice why do you think that white women support President Trump? Do you think they identify more with being as she said White than they do with being female she's also You know so here it is again We I think we really need to start listening to some of the words because there's a difference between I voted for him and I Support him and so they've kind of taken this 52% voted for him into they support him and this is where we start to diverge. I think the Stephanie woman, she's the white Republican or the white... We'll hear. ...but well after slavery was over So Alice why do you think that white women support President Trump? Do you think they identify more with being as she said white than they do with being female? She just said that

28:34 I think when we're talking about the political arena, voters women and men identify themselves as either Republican Democrat independent or whatever their political party. And I strongly disagree with the characterization that... Stop right there! I don't identify as any anything. I just am just a voter. Sorry, I reject that out of hand. I'm just voting. I do not belong to a party. Hold on A lot of people do identify with their party. Sure, and a lot of people are independent which would be you I don't identify anything because the parties have been so screwy that the independent The independent numbers have increased to the point where they have to everyone has to cater them You know catered to the Republicans if your Republican cuz you know, you're gonna get their vote So you cater to these?

29:24 independent so-called swing voters and because they can go either way. They're swingers I'm just saying that I reject someone telling me that I have to identify with some party even if it's an in if its independent, I just identify as me! voters, women and men identify themselves as either Republican Democrat independent or whatever their political party. And I strongly disagree with the characterization that women are oppressed and by nature of that oppression they should naturally vote for another group of people that are oppressed. I think thats just not how politics works. I think as a Republican or Democrat or whatever your political leanings

30:07 is you should vote for people that represent those policies. I'm a Republican, and i support this president. I voted for this president. I did so because of his policy. I do not agree with his tone and tenor. Don, I've been on your show dozens and dozen times discounting his behavior, his tone, his tactics the things he says about women. His denigrating women and I don't tolerate that but this is policies are what i stand for. Alice you don't have to support him You could not vote! This is the white democrat The white woman democrat who now says you could just not vote which is also a way to identify But this is policies are what I stand for. Alice you don't have to support him

30:54 vote. I mean, that's the thing. There is a Democrat who does everything that I agree with but they say misogynist or racist things and I would not vote for them and I just want to step back for second and say look we spent a lot of time talking about Republican women there's a problem with white women it doesn't matter whether they're democrats or republicans or nothing there's a problem with racism every everybody every white person benefits from an inherently racist system that is structurally racist We are all, we're all part of the problem so I'm not trying to point my finger at you. No just it well are you white? Pointing my finger at you! Or another person but i think we have to recognize that there's institutional racism in this country and by saying I'm just going to support somebody who

31:44 You just said says racist things and does racist things. You see how they're conflating? Well, they're just talking they're just saying that they have no examples but their conflating support with voting and then it's you know its the tone I don't agree with this tone we'll get back to Stephanie here for the last 30 seconds It is a problem Just a point of clarification. So I did not say that white women voted for Trump because they were racist, what I actually said was that there's this broader historical context in which white supremacy is quite important to white women not simply as the beneficiaries of white supremacy but as part orchestrators, part of the builders of white supremacy. Women helped build white supremacy!

32:34 Help me help me understand John. What is what let's just get some terms? What is white supremacy as the bully I am just off Yeah, just off the top of your head sure belief that why the white race per se is Superior to the other races so what she's saying Is that even today women? helped build the I believe, i guess that white people are superior to all other races. That's what she is saying But how would you do that? I guess by voting for a white guy Yeah okay in that case yeah I guess The beneficiaries of white supremacy but as part orchestrators Part of the builders

33:29 So just to clarify that, and I agree totally with what Kristen said. This is not about simply conservative white women this is a phenomenon that has spread across the country whether in the South or the North you can see that this is...and it's not an indictment against all white women This is about a certain percentage of these white woman who do indeed vote for a man who is certainly not speaking to their interests as women or as human beings So I think what she's saying is you can't vote for someone based on his policies if you deem that person to be hateful towards women. Or annoying in general, it sounds like. Yes so your point of course which you made

34:21 well what racism, what misogyny. And so now we go to the second clip this was a fascinating that was meet the pro... no Face The Nation MSNBC you know that's not... Face The Nation is at CBS? I think so yeah, meet the press at BNBC. Face the nation! Dan Cresso they had four or five of new freshmen coming into the House of Representatives including Dan Crenshaw and he is the Iraq veteran who was missing an eye has the eyepatch it was a subject of the controversy on Saturday Night Live which i thought actually was kind of solved in a nice manner the next week

35:02 Thanks to him. Well of course it's thanks to him and I'm liking this guy now so he's going to call out this penguin when, I forget who it is another freshman coming in says well you know and we've heard this a million times he's undermining our democracy the democracies ripping apart I'm talking about Trump ripping apart democratic institutions orange man bad and so Crenshaw says well could you just give me some examples And I thought this whole segment, although it went way over everyone's head. I thought the segment was outstanding to show you just how vapid this argument is. But my experience thus far and I think Deb can tell us more about that. Before we start off if someone said to you please give me some examples how Trump is undermining our democracy would you? Just thinking from any kind of dimension what kind of examples could we come up with?

36:01 I would say that by assigning a lot of super conservative judges on every bench around the country... But is that undermining the democracy? No, I'm sorry. Yes. From abuse to... You're right! You're right! My mistake yes okay so conservative judges... Conservative judges is undermining the democracy. Exactly what else is undermining the democracy rushing through the Supreme Court justices. Okay, rushing through yeah that's undermining... That would be undermining the democracy belittling and going through staffers too quickly, he's going through... Yes yes too much firing. Too much firing undermines the democracy. Right right right. Cozying up to Putin? Ah oh yes! Any collusion? Collusion yeah yeah. Cozying up, that's undermining our democracy. Going along with not doing something about

37:01 the American, not American citizen but the American resident? Oh yes. Key term right now. Not doing something about that guy getting chopped up into sausage. What we realize here is that none of these are actual things that undermine our democracy and undermining them democracy would be doing something with you know, the three branches of government that would really break it but an actual undermining. But maybe they have some examples let's listen to this is a very nice little conversation so my experience thus far and I think Dev can touch on this as well as a member of the Progressive Caucus but no i don't think that's the case I think we are all working together rowing in the same direction trying to save our democracy to be frank and so why do you say save our democracy? Well look

37:54 that right now it's important for this majority in the house to engage in some really critical oversight of an administration that is undermining a lot of critical freedoms for folks in our country. Undermining a lot of critical freedoms for folks that live in our country? That's what we need to remember. And so when I say save our democracy, I mean precisely that...that I think some of our democratic freedoms and the principles that we live by... Heaven? Do you...? Should we try to make a list? Some of our democratic freedoms that have gone or being better in harm's way? There aren't any! No, I think they're all pretty much intact including, you know, their right to go say stupid stuff

38:35 Still kind of okay. I have been under attack for the better part of the last two years Congressman elect Do you want to respond to that since the president has is the leader of your party? Yeah, well, I always ask a question like Like what you know like what is he undermining exactly that You know What what democratic freedoms have been undermined we just had an election where we switched switch power in the house Democracy's at work people are voting and run record numbers sounds about right to me I always ask for examples and then we can hit those examples one by one, and if it's worth it. Just so he's gonna say please give me some examples the whole group including the host of the moderator of this panel is going to jump in and it's just like a diarrhea of words And these are all things that are undermining our democracy. You're like sizing It's worth criticizing, but just kind of this broad brush Criticism that the president is somehow undermining our democracy I always wonder what exactly we're talking about All

39:35 all of the things that you've been saying. The free press, judiciary, CIA, FBI, the voting process... Everyone's like, I'll be happy. And they can't no one's actually speaking an entire sentence. CIA process. Obama died, had many press members under investigation Trump has not. So what is the difference here? Just this last week one of the largest media publications in the United States right had to go to a federal court in order to essentially regain access to the press room. That was for one reporter. One reporter and other organizations including CBS did file amicus briefs. And they actually believe

40:33 that this court case was a First Amendment court case, which it was not. But that's okay! They really thought Trump really tried to undermine our democracy with that. In support yeah so I mean again I think obviously its part of much larger... Because he was disruptive Well, again... I would argue that our president is consistently disruptive in those very same press conferences and i would argue that he treats them with disrespect. How was that an attack on the press though? So how is that undermining a democracy? And here's an important one- how was that attacking the press because it's literally an attack on the press. Oh, I've literally been attacked so I think this too bad this kind of just got glossed over. The guy has been blown up

41:13 He was literally blown up by an IED and they have the gall to say he's attacking, I feel attacked. And he says like dude i was really attacked They're all too chicken shit that say anything about it. It is very same press conferences and I would argue that he treats them with disrespect Because it's literally an attack on the president. I've literally been attacked, so let's choose our words carefully. His language is an attack. Okay, why can't he speak? Why is not allowed to use his own language and freedom of speech? Ah okay! Now we get to a very sticky point. Why can the President not exercise his First Amendment right and speak freely

41:52 Well, of course it's unpresidential. Because you and you talked about this actually it's important that we lead from example that we leave from the top in the way our president is I agree with you there style is one thing if you want to criticize style I'm with ya right but just say it's an attack on the freedom of the press that is a very bold statement by calling the press the enemy of the people yeah I don't like that language literally okay so this style I agree I don't like that language fake news of course Oh, fake news. I'll give you another example. It's undermining us with fake news. His rhetoric about erasing trans people in our country that to me... He's erasing trans people!

42:35 Well, it appears that he is discriminating against the LGBTQ community and I think that's troublesome. I think its worrisome we all have communities across this country country and we mentioned it at the beginning, ripping children away from their parents' arms. Those are all things that undermine our democracy! That I absolutely feel that we have to over-settle. Or how about just maligning the CIA and FBI and State Department and all those important institutions that are fundamental to how our democracy works?

43:15 Intelligence agencies are now apparently fundamental to how our democracy works. How about history? You talk about the CIA which was founded in 1947 is fundamental to the Constitution. Or the FBI that actively sought out people who are communists, to shame them and throw them out of their lives. That's important for our democracy if they keep our democracy working Please lady absolutely feel that we have to FBI and the State Department and all those important institutions that are fundamental to how our democracy works What I hear a lot is you don't like what he says sometimes okay? But then you don't like the policy disagreements, but you're saying undermining democracy

44:08 And I want to caution us because those are very bold words. If we have policy disagreements, let's focus on those policy disagreements and I'll be happy to discuss those at any point but this is what i've been getting kind of all week which is We tend to go right at the jugular Right? Where you say that your undermining democracy or bad person fundamentally That's not always true. We have policy disagreements with a lot of these things. I think it's interesting that we talked about some of the most divisive issues including immigration But the thing that set all of you off was the president. We have to leave the conversation there thank you so much good luck to you and your new work in your new job So this morning Tina, she always gives me a rundown of what she's seeing on Twitter and she said I don't know if it was Ben her boy Ben who is that? Ben come on because of show on Fox Ben Shapiro

44:58 Ben Shapiro. Shapiro didn't have a show on Fox, did he? He did! Yeah he had a show. He's gonna be a Fox regular. Shapiro... Nobody likes him at Fox. that, interestingly Trump's policies in many ways are exactly the same as Obama's policies but and this is his words Shapiro said and I know a lot of people agree with him that because of the way Trump says it That's why everyone goes apeshit. And i say no If he did it the same way Obama did it, It would be even worse. The press will be up in arms that he's doing it secretly all this evil stuff and there is no... There's no way around this style part of the presentation. It doesn't make any difference I agree with you Yeah

45:50 I mean there is just such a hatred of this guy. Yes, it is! They can't do anything about anyway that's the way it is what could they do? Let's catch up to the Acosta situation this is the Acosta update... That's funny let's play an Acosta Update Oops, misfired. Acosta Update. This morning CNN is asking for an emergency hearing this is after the White House has warned that they may pull our colleague Jim Acosta's press pass

46:27 Again, you thought this was all settled last week. Well on Friday the network won a temporary restraining order forcing the White House to restore Acosta's credentials for 14 days But just after that White House officials sent Acosta letter saying they may suspend his past Once that order expires even chief media correspondent Brian Stelter is with us So TROs temporary restraining orders by nature they last for two weeks fourteen days and We need to start thinking. Looks like there's going to be many rounds in this legal battle. Do you notice that no one seems to be giving any details on the battle itself? Because almost as soon as that temporary restraining order was put into effect on Friday, Bill Shine and Sarah Sanders two of the defendants in a lawsuit sent a letter to Acosta, 2 page letter I have here That essentially lays the groundwork to take the press pass and revoke it again which would essentially at the end of month 11 days from today

47:32 Yeah, yeah I really this is such a there's such liars This is such a disservice to the viewership to people who are interested in what's going on and you have to go You actually have to get through the Wall Street Journal paywall to be able to read actually what's going on, unless you know where to find a docket and actual paperwork. Well if you go to private browser sometimes or Brave is quite good for this one No but I'm just saying that no one seems to want to talk about what the restraining order was about it was not a first amendment discussion You know, they're not even at that level yet. I know! I just want to make sure people hear it again. This was not a First Amendment court case...not yet at least but there's a solution

48:22 to this because this is you know, unless you have another clip then I'd like to play a companion. No no I thought you had something in front of you or something? I got...no I have a clip! I have a solution clip the solution to the issue of The White House press events Carl Bernstein very famous man he wrote No, he didn't write it. He the Washington the great uncovering of Watergate along with the President's been and Woodward Carl Bernstein who by that I put in the show notes again Who you know has published on his own blog which still exists today how many people of the press were working for CIA including himself

49:10 But here's his idea. It's a fix, it will save democracy. We need to start thinking of a different way to cover his press conferences and briefings for instance I don't think we should be taking them live all the time and just pasting them up on the air because they're basically propagandist exercises because they are overwhelmed by his dishonesty and lying so how could we cover them differently? Maybe we should Be there, edit. Decide as reporters what is news and after the press conference or briefing is over then go with that story with clips rather than treating the briefing or press conference as a campaign event I think this is a grand idea! Isn't that what we do? Let's combat propaganda with actual propaganda of editing clips down and presenting it in a certain light

50:06 Yeah, you would love that but he's going to take it even further because we can still keep democracy alive through this thing called a website. Which they really are and which we did in the campaign as well. We gave them all this free airtime on cable news especially. We need to start treating it like a news event and look in cable we have websites where you can put of Editing yes, here's the story not just give him a microphone when we know that his methodology Is to engage and manipulate us on the basis of lying propaganda and agiprop there it is ladies and gentlemen whose last word Propaganda I don't know We need to see his methodologies as your property is to engage in manipulate us on the basis of lying propaganda and agile props

51:19 Well, the anthro prop tells anthroprops. I thought it was adjib ajiprop It's what I thought he said edge of prop at first but then I hear it again is something I've never heard never Heard this word and through pop. I don't know what he's saying. I have no idea Hmm somebody should put his words on a website so we can understand what he's talking about But you know but for this is the guy that many Of today's journalists will say oh my god And I want to become a journalist because I want to be like Ward would and Bernstein And here he is advocating for editing out any context and just, hey here's the story and we'll play you a clip. Which is I remember growing up we were moving towards something very dangerous it was called the news bite

52:05 The soundbite, I'm sorry the Soundbyte news reporting. Soundbyte news reporting and everyone recognized it as universally bad and this must have been 15-20 years ago maybe even a little longer? A little longer And you know this is what it is the problem is the internet has actually given us the opposite of that we can go to a website called gee C-SPAN and you can get the whole everything in its entirety. In context! And he doesn't like that No He's, but is he not the bastion of journalism? I mean, not to you... The funny thing about him was that wasn't even in the news as a high-profile character recently and it wasn't when in the 60s 70s but then he kept seeing Woodward coming up with these thick books. Ha ha, he was getting screwed on the whole deal

53:01 And he wasn't getting this action and so he chimed in as worse, like a left-wing fanatic. It's fascinating to watch him go on and on about one thing or another because it was all very slanted I just found this to be very... disturbing that he would suggest that we have to chop it up and just play clips. I mean, we know what that means! He's saying you have to be... It has to be unedited We can't give him a microphone because the people can't parse what he is saying themselves? That's what he is saying! You're too stupid, your thinking wrong

53:47 For for an article yes, yes. Yeah for dictate for dictatorships yeah He's advocating for that yeah Okay Well it seems saying coming from him well She's been kind of always been kind of unhinged for quite a while It seems to me if it goes so unchallenged Brian Seltzer water is sitting right there. Oh, yeah, that's a great idea we should do that Yeah, they're all in the same boat so we can't let people decide for themselves No This is why they want to Twitter things. Yes everybody. Oh, yeah, that'd be a great president if it wasn't for Twitter Yeah He wouldn't be president but wasn't for Twitter

54:30 That's the point here. I got the AOC Is this her latest yes a civics lesson we need to jingle we need a jingle civics with AOC yeah, so make sure that we take back all three change is that Is that should we and if we work our butts off to make sure that we take back all three chambers of Congress? Rather all three chambers of government the presidency the Senate and the house in 2020. We can't start working in 2020 Okay, first of all there's something wrong with your clips because I don't know what's happening with the beginning But it's like that was a mistake yeah That's happened a lot lately no it happened. I'll tell you what it is if you want to know yes

55:16 When you start up, I'm pulling clips from the internet as opposed to off of the old recorder that used to do it. Because it's more efficient and it's not every clip but every once in a while and that clip should have been cut at beginning part that your bitching about should have been cut out by me when I did the edit on the final clip and you wouldn't have said anything but for some stupid reason I exported the entire Audio file instead of just to select it. So that was my fault Yeah, but okay Well I'm just now what you're talking about What you're talking about because they have left it in on a number of clips because I said and okay? I hear it all the time You hear it well Let's just play a clip and see if it's on there alright no No let's not let's let's deconstruct what she just said so people understand

56:10 She says, let's just take it step by step. I want our non-Americans and many Americans themselves to understand why this is so ridiculous coming from someone who is in the House of Representatives. To make sure that we take back all three changes is that should we, and if we work our butts off to make sure that we take back all three chambers of Congress. Okay so she starts up by saying all three chambers of Congress you can say Congress not the Congress but you say Congress which is made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not believe there's a third chamber of Congress There yes there is it's the bathroom on the bottom floor

56:53 The third chamber of commerce is down there in the basement. So now she corrects herself and she correctly says, I mean it's really the three branches of government but she tries to make it right by saying that three chambers of government...I'll give her that. Rather all three chambers of government And the three, uh, I've always learned branches of government which is the judicial the legislative, which is where she is and the executive. Those are the three this is something we learn when were You learned that in second grade. Seven years, seven eight years old? Here we go! So you learn it real early or you're used to Yeah well you used too I don't think it's being taught because Apparently she does never learned it Chris rather all three chambers of government the presidency the Senate and the House in 2020 She just kind of forgot she made the Senate and the House of Representatives two of the branches And just left out The one she should be bitching out the most which is judicial

57:53 It's and she leaves this stuff up too, which I think is brave. But this is going to be a why you know as long as he's not gonna let this continue. I'm telling you have a talk tour or something she's gonna tell her to stop doing this young lady has a presidential future is what I'm gonna tell you right now. This is the kind of person we elect fun for that no agenda show. Now this kind of person has an absolute chance to become president Not because of this what she said just the whole Everything everything about her people love her Love her and when I is so easy to ridicule she has zero chance of getting any further than she's gotten Okay, she is a laughingstock beef. That's what they said about Donald Trump

58:44 Yes, they did. So all you need is the media which who are not covering her so that's once that happens she has a real good shot. She has a really good shot remember people say well like this Avenetti wants to run for president or now who's the latest guy? This Bloomberg he's gonna run for president Bloomberg. He is bloom bloom Bloomberg and he is You know the difference between a celebrity running for president, if you take a look at how many celebrities have been president. We have Reagan, we've had Eisenhower... He was a celebrity? Oh yeah of course he was, he was a celebrity. Shit! I think. Yeah You have Trump, all these guys had an enormous amount of public profile before they ever became president. In fact Reagan had as much before he became governor of California which I think outshone Trump by quite a bit

59:38 Because he was doing you know the 60 mule train thing. He was doing these speeches, he had a TV show, he was in the movies for years and years and years And then it became...and he was ahead of the Screen Actors Guild who's a former Democrat Oh yeah that's right He's former Democrat, turned Republican. I always apologize. However by today standards which is very different today's media landscape is not the same. I would say AOC Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a big time celebrity for Democrats Big time. No. Big time Jen Briney who has that level head on her shoulders

1:00:17 who, if she heard these words come out of anyone else's mouth including a Democrat she would ridicule them because she does congressional dish. She knows very well how government works. She knows her civics. She goes on Twitter and says I love this girl! I love this girl!! So that's the past you know it does not matter what comes out of the mouth as long as it sounds good That's just ridiculous. Yeah, well that's America today What you're saying is ridiculous Sadly Now back to the celebrity thing Trump had this TV show that was a big hit and he was known forever I mean he has been always on Letterman He made a lot of TV appearances bragging about himself mostly But he wasn't doing a lot at work Bloomberg

1:01:08 You know, does not have this profile he does in New York. He has zero profile. No, he has no profile. And he's got Bloomberg News Service but when you see him... No! ...He is an annoying guy. He is boring. Glib and apparently very short. Well.. Not gonna say anything bad about people that are short but apparently Bloomberg is like 5'1 or something like that Oh my gosh Petite male. No, but your point I think your point is well made but in today's world you don't have to be a celebrity for very long You can't stay as celebrity for very long if you're an AOC because it wears thin... you're basically an idiot

1:01:55 She is not a bright girl. She has got big eyes and a nice smile, and she's photogenic telegenic And she's excitable yeah So she's kind of you know attractive to it to the camera and people will follow her just like they follow other people on Instagram They will follow her in that will love her for it, and then we'll vote for her PewDiePie runs for president Then your talking all right Look, we don't have to agree. I think she is a definite candidate for presidency in our lifetime She is a celebrity and she is a modern day Celebrity and as long as she has an Instagram account will remain a celebrity And people will love her for it It's the political version of the Kardashians...it works!

1:02:43 Just that's just my opinion. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's come I don't think it's comparable to previous job because she went door-to-door pretty much door-to-door condemning the other guy was never even in the neighborhood and didn't get take long for her to win It's not gonna work. Instagram bullcrap! See, the thing is I respect what you're saying you just can't say okay maybe you're right and you say no I can't because you're not right. Okay No in this case...no I've done it a million times don't give me that You've heard me say well yeah you could be right as long as you make a good point. No when is not even possible I'm not going to give you the benefit of doubt

1:03:23 She's an idiot. I will just remind you, I'll go back and get the tape because we have actual reel-to-reel tape of this show and I will play you the segment where I say Donald Trump is going to become president and you say nah! Okay, if you find that out be stunned. You got it. Moving on...I would like to thank you for your courage in saying good morning to John C, where the c stands for can't be President, Dvorak Hello? You're talking to me. Huh? That's what you were saying in the morning I did, I said thank you and then I did a whole thing didn't hear me? No! This is what you say in the morning. Oh!

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1:04:44 In the morning to Darren O'Neal, just stop. I'm annoyed about it. Stop! Just stop. I'm not cooking the meal. Tina's cooking the meal because i'm not cooking a meal because of you In the morning to Darren O'Neill who brought us the artwork for episode 1087. Hippie hummus is how I'd pronounce it, thank you to every Jew in the world who sent me an audio clip of how to pronounce hummus in Arabic or in Hebrew We're in America here so I'll say hummus You know how many...I got- YOU'RE NOT PRONOUNCING HUMMUS RIGHT! What are you supposed to say? CHUH-MUHS! Chuh-muhs!

1:05:26 Yeah, sir. I think it was a Sir Brian of London maybe...I think every Jew producer we have in Israel and i'm saying that way specifically sending me you're not pronouncing it right Mike! How do you say Germany? Deutschland! Of course! Hummus Well we say hummus in the United States and then we say Germany where only our show says Deutschland is kind of a gimmick I want to thank Darren for his artwork, which there was a lot of things we could choose from.

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1:21:55 Was it recent? No. Yeah, it was recent was in the last few days less well not yesterday but And we have all these colleges listed. No, I would've remembered it haven't seen it yet now Yeah well go find it and read because it's really good for our spot to spook think the name of the oh Yes, no I did see you come in but we didn't tell everybody that I spent almost two hours this morning just trying to get Skype started on my machine so and then It started by itself That was the scariest part Yeah, this is welcome to Windows. Oh yeah! You should tell that story because not the whole story but just a basic short story said okay I've had it you threw your arms up in the air and you said i'm gonna have to use the Amsterdam rig which is just a smaller version of what he's got and then as he started hooking it up the other machine got jealous

1:22:48 Yes, it did. It went booted. Wait! You're not gonna make that little HP laptop compete with me Mr Big Dell desktop? No but I'm not the only one with this problem Skype has for some reason people have an issue where you start it and it crashes immediately now I've had issues with Skype before I left we're just...it crashed remember during the show and then I couldn't get to come back and then the mobile rig It exited the same behavior in Amsterdam. I was able to circumvent it by disconnecting all USB audio devices, then starting it up then setting the devices and this morning I only started this computer been off all week there was no update applied

1:23:34 That at least didn't tell me any update was applied, just started up normal and Skype would not start. And I spent... you know it's like updating video drivers could it be this? Could it be that? And then I called you and I mean listen when I call John and say I need Windows help You know its bad! Bad! It's really bad And so the ultimate advice was, hey why don't you just turn on the mobile rig? Yeah. And then absolutely as I was turning on the mobile rig plugging everything into that all of a sudden Skype came back I knew this was gonna happen because you were cussing out the machine and these machines, they're very sensitive. You have to be nice to them. It's like a car. I bought a lemon and then they sell it to somebody else thinks fine it's not lemon at all so lemon for you

1:24:27 Since we talked about Bloomberg, I do want to...and since they mentioned that one of the schools that was mentioned in that article along with Georgetown and all these major...you got to read this article. It's very funny but there is a...one of the schools mentioned is Johns Hopkins as a place where a lot of recruiting has done Mm-hmm. And so I read that what got me into this, finding that article was this piece here is Bloomberg giving all his money to Johns Hopkins for some reason? He yesterday did something extraordinary he gave 1.8 billion dollars to his alma mater Johns Hopkins and he said that he did it for a scholarship funds for financial aid for people of low or middle income who He doesn't want them to be saddled with student loans After college as so many people are this means that they will sort of forever Be able to give financial aid for a long long time to their students, so That's a wonderful altruistic move is he running for?

1:25:22 president in 2020 or what? I think he is running. Uh, I think this particular gift follows a pattern. He has given hundreds of millions of dollars you can't go on that campus and look in any direction and not see a building that's the Bloomberg Center for this which is all great. Which is all great! I think this one's a little bit different because it goes to the idea that education should be available to everyone. I think the really interesting thing about Bloomberg though is not education His big issue is climate change and there hasn't been a politician that's been able to turn climate change into a successful Political victory. I mean Al Gore came close And a lot of what he did came after the election But I think that's what you're gonna see him move forward on because that's what he believes Oh, well don't never never win with that That's dumb Yeah, that's what he's doing You know there was the evening before I left there was a

1:26:21 big talk show in the Netherlands, a nightly talk show on the public broadcaster and I told you these politicians in the EU are all just getting jitty with it because of the IPCC report. And this main... The Minister of Infrastructure in the Netherlands she has..I don't know if they've actually passed this yet but She's saying we need 600 million euros to save us from dying from climate change! I'm paraphrasing but it's not far off And so she's in this talk show and people are like, oh yes we have to do all this for... Oh because you know you never know what is happening. There is either too much water or not enough water We're not going to get our children, we're gonna die! And there's this older guy sitting across the table and he just rips into her

1:27:06 There's a hospital that went bankrupt and people were wheeled out on the streets to find other hospitals, and you want to give 600 million to this bullcrap? It was so beautiful to watch. And yeah because people are going well shit that guy is kind of right! You know it's like all your complaining about the future and just climate change but we got people actually with IVs strapped to their gurneys on the streets trying to figure out which hospital to be wheeled too they're loving it But I don't think the public will eat it. And i don't think Bloomberg can get far with that either, It's just not a winning strategy! It hasn't worked for anybody. No well we'll see how it goes he is not going to get past the debates because... I dont think I've ever seen this guy smile

1:27:54 He's dour. He's gonna have to stand on at least two apple boxes You know you really don't like him being that short Hmm no, I don't care about it being dead so this was a running gag that Letterman used to use oh I didn't realize this Oh yeah the lettermen used to go on and on about how short he wasn't he would then he put his arm out? You know like how tall he wasn't any lower it lower it lower it. Oh, just keep doing is he keeping writing the Bloomberg's height Which of course he won't do now. I think Letterman really got out of the TV business, the evening talk show business right on time because the politically incorrect nature of him would have hurt him eventually Yeah probably. I think it's hurting all of them Of course it is! But I just don't know if...I don't think he would have been able to do the same stuff

1:28:48 Yeah, it's all right. I'm happy to report it's the same in the Netherlands It's the same in the United Kingdom. You're racist you hate women you hate Jews you hate whatever it is Everyone's yelling everyone's just yelling at each other we're at the end of civilization We are at the end! The same exact thing was going on in the 20s. Oh, of course! But it just sounds... you know this is not the 20's we have Twitter it's different It's different now. It's different This is where we fundamentally disagree on things Yeah big time yeah We do

1:29:30 Now, this is something that we probably agree on. Here's Mike Lee and I got turned onto the speech... he gave a speech at the... He's the Senator of Utah. Oh okay all right yes. Yeah yeah I got turned on to this speech who just gave a speech in The Federalist Society was people are telling us what church... And who is Mike Lee? Mike Lee you know him No but uh I'm asking for the other people who happen to be eavesdropping on the conversation He's the senator from Utah. Ah, and he's a rat? He's very conservative. He was an ever-Trumper I believe... Was this the guy who wanted to run? Is he ex CIA or is that a different guy? No no that's the guy who tried to run at the last minute Oh as a Democrat Yeah yeah okay And he was running you'd been running against Romney because Mike Lee is not in this cycle Okay So they said Mike Lee predicts civil war because of a bunch of things and I looked it and he didn't You know there were some

1:30:28 hysterical headline and so I went and listened to the whole speech, it was bullcrap. The headline was a lie but i got this one clip out of here that's what I thought was pretty good. This is Mike Lee talking about the economy. Our economy at full employment and its growing fast enough to distract us at least temporarily from our 21 trillion dollar national debt and our $800 billion annual deficit. Perhaps it shouldn't be enough, but for the time being it is. But my big concern is what happens when the next bubble bursts? When the next recession hits? When the multi-trillion dollar debts accrued by state and local pension funds come due? What happens when next we face a genuine international crisis? What happens when Treasury yield rates

1:31:16 Return to their historic average and we see our national debt service payments go from where they are today Which is about 300 billion dollars a year which is not that much higher than they were 20 years ago When our national debt was what one-seventh of its current size To where they'll go within a couple of years after Treasury yield rates return to their historical average, which will be around a trillion dollars a year Yeah, we're just waiting for the catalyst aren't we? I mean, I'm pretty convinced that It's gonna happen very soon Yeah, we're waiting for the catalyst. And it's always going to be and it's never the same so you can't look you use history doesn't work with the market You don't know this always crashes slightly different ways he might miss Death is what right Horowitz and I kind of thing well cold on fundamentally The things that are really weird right now Is we have oil going down rapidly but natural gas spiking up

1:32:16 Which is weird. That is weird, but natural gas has been in a depression probably for about a decade so it's going up under any circumstances. Right but this has got to be manipulated... This is all manipulated I mean the price of oil definitely manipulated But then who's manipulating the natural gas? Look here's bottom line I think Trump is out of his depth I don't think he can bring this economy..I don't think he's got the momentum anymore that he had It was really running on pure adrenaline I mean, just fundamentally. I can't see it! I really can't believe that it's sustainable... you? No of course not but I would have said that five years ago and it is still going well. Yeah but.. I'm reminded of these guys and there are a bunch of locals or writers

1:33:09 It became other things since, you know, public relations guys. But the when there was the boom not to the dot com boom but the real estate boom from a probably 85 to like 2007 when it collapsed, there were guys in way early going oh this real estate prices are too high. It's gonna pop the bubble is gonna pop and then during that almost a decade of saying the bubble is gonna pop if any one of them would have bought that piece of property they'd be millionaires

1:33:48 They kept saying it's gonna pop, it's gonna pop. And yeah everything pops eventually and it did pop and now its recovered actually beyond where it was at least in some parts of the country which were a lot of boom areas. I don't know if it is going to pop again or not but You can't necessarily stay out. Yeah, but you're looking purely at real estate I think it might be multi-dimensional No i'm looking at the market more than real estate. I was just saying really exemplifying this mentality where he's gonna pop its gonna pop and meanwhile is going up and up and up and you could have made some money if you've just been in and got out fewer nimble which unfortunately people

1:34:28 I take a lot of this back what I just said because unless you're, with real estate it's not so much of a problem because it doesn't move that much. But with the stock market unless you're in it daily, your day trade or something, you can't get out fast enough. You wake up, you go to work and come home and the markets crash. And there's a while- So that's just a small percentage of the population. Yes, of course you can make money speculating on stuff but the previous economic collapse It was just such a perfect storm where people could not pay their mortgages and that just dominoed all the way through until we had to create all this fake money and give it to the banks so they could be good again. And then, we put all of the bad stuff somewhere else? Who just did that?! Some other country just did that!

1:35:17 I think it's Greece. Yeah, Greece just created a new special purpose vehicle which has all the hallmarks of a junker you know? It's got no wheels doesn't go anywhere and they just...it's an accounting trick! Just put the bad stuff in there and didn't we do the exact same thing Kinda. Yeah, so it would have to be something like that now if it's slow by a thousand cuts like DHM plug says I think that on one hand It's not being able to pay student loans That's pretty big there's what 1.5 trillion? That's pretty big but that was slow process of people not paying back It's not really like you know you run out of money and you go bankrupt Now you're in school You still get your loan

1:36:03 We're not paying back your loan while you're getting it. I understand, but i'm saying the people who are supposed to pay it back or Hook or crook are paying it back Since you can't get out of it so yeah You know I think health care has got to be the one that's that's what's bankrupting people well? I Think doesn't I don't think it well maybe that could be its bankrupting me well It's possible, but it seems to be I mean if you remember the 2007 and 8. I hope this isn't boring people the 2007-18 remember that letters of credit weren't being accepted? Yes All this foreboding before that crash yeah there wasn't there were more signals i agree And there's not anything like that going on which but then again before the 29 crash I've looked at it enough I think I might be wrong

1:37:03 There wasn't anything, it just crashed. It happened and bounced right back but then it just drifted to the bottom When it happened, everyone was like oh all these... I remember. I got the front pages of all these papers Oh Giannini you know head of the Bank America this is just bullcrap there's no reason this ridiculous that this happened We're in sound financial condition every banker in the world kept saying this and it was on the front page of all the papers Don't worry about it we're in sound financial condition everything's fine Well I already know what what the history books will look like

1:37:39 When we look back on the huge crash of, let's just say 2020 just to make it a fun number. We look back at the historic crash and the deepest depression of all depressions ever you'll see hipsters with ratted tattered clothing dragging a half-dead dog behind him and then there will be nothing but piles of e-scooters and other dockless bikes everywhere that no one can afford to use And the companies all went bankrupt and can't afford to pick them up. Exactly, that's what it's going to look like It'll be the best of times in the worst of times Hey but at least we can get somewhere cheap on a scooter If the scooters still work Yes

1:38:23 I didn't find that boring actually. I enjoy thinking about those things well, you know I don't enjoy what it could be but thinking through it Well luckily they're talking about people trying to copy the way how we do business play this Canadian this from the CBC Apparently Canada's going into the hole because of us But it wasn't all about economics tonight will look at politics involved, the breaks to help some media companies and we'll ask the finance minister why it's all going to cost so much because one thing is certain Canada will be going deeper in the red for years to come. The fall economic state will be focused on things like competitiveness and focus on drawing benefit from other great trade deals we've been signing and moving forward over the past years To do this the Liberals have come up with more than 16

1:39:12 billion dollars in new investments and tax breaks for businesses. But that will mean continued deficits. Remember that promise to balance things by next year? Well, there is no balanced budget for the foreseeable future All of this is essentially a response to an unpredictable US administration, one with protectionist impulses low corporate taxes and very deep pockets. As David Cochran explains it's clear the Trudeau government has a lot riding on the outcome The Honorable Minister of Finance. Like everything these days, Bill Morneau's fiscal update is a response to President Donald Trump One series of measures to respond to U.S tax cuts To encourage businesses to invest in their own growth and create more good well-paying jobs Others to steer Canada away from its dependence on the US market Just because we share a trade agreement with the United States doesn't mean that we'll always agree with their approach

1:40:10 Those are the goals. Here's how the Liberals want to get there... To stay competitive with the U.S., there are billions in tax cuts for businesses, to help them expand and buy equipment over the next five years A 100% write-off for manufacturing and processing equipment a 100% write off for clean tech investment tripling the write off for all other business investments There's also more than a billion dollars to diversify trade, including cash to boost roads rails and ports. To get goods to Asia and Europe. The Canadians will get the bill for that. But the Conservatives warn this all comes with a big cost They are putting our future in a reckless state of danger by spending our tomorrow on their today That's right!

1:41:02 Or tomorrow. Now the funny thing about this is a little thing they slipped in which I thought was unique, I didn't realize how subsidized the media is in Canada Oh yeah! And the CBC gets over almost $1.5 billion dollars a year Which is a nice operating budget You know that BBC has multiple billions It's ridiculous. Multiple billions! But they're apparently going to go overboard and give almost a billion to just any old media company, giving money to the media Hey, can we get in on this? We cover Canada. Maybe we should move the podcast to Canada! And in an age when journalists around the world are being accused of producing fake news The Trudeau government has decided to invest in local news Nearly $600 million over the next five years To support media outlets struggling with dwindling revenues It includes a 15% tax credit to encourage Canadians to subscribe

1:41:59 to digital news media and giving charitable status to non-profit news outlets, but perhaps the most important measure a new tax credit to help cover the labor costs of producing original news content locally. Wow! You know The Rebel? You know them? Yeah. The rebel media this is a link from the troll room but I opened it up Justin Trudeau is buying Canadian media they say A key question that remains... Apparently the rebel's not getting any of the money. No, well they say we're not for sale

1:42:37 That's that there's their stance. I do not get any of the money well They're saying they don't want it a key question that remains unanswered for now is which? Organizations will be eligible for the new measures and which ones will be excluded, I think you're right The government said the package will aim to help quote trusted news organizations Yes Let me translate that into plain English There's an election next year if your journalist who wants in on Trudeau's slush fund he has to know he can trust you So, no tough questions for Trudeau or his cabinet. No embarrassing investigations You must demonize any Trudeau critics as bigoted homophobic or Islamophobic and you have to promote Trudeau's policies on everything from the carbon tax to open border mass immigration so here would be a fun test it wouldn't be too hard For us to do just a little podcast a weekly one where we pretty much do the same stuff except We add A

1:43:34 And then we just do this. We say, hey Trudeau is great! Eh? And then we'll say stuff like man I can't believe anyone wants to investigate him you can trust the guy eh and we just do that and maybe we will get some money I think this is a plan. However, on the other side what's interesting if this would ever come our way and we've and people never really catch these explanations we do them all the time why we are not a 501c3 nonprofit organization there's a number of reasons for it one which you recently explained on The Grimerica Show which people should go listen to was one of those recent episodes but also 313 if we

1:44:18 signed up for that, we have to have a charter and we have to stick to it. And basically the government would have some elements of control over us correct? Yeah absolutely so You don't want that. And there's a lot more paperwork and you got the IRS on your back, and everything else... Well yes I mean that's what i'm saying so they can say well we don't think you're really doing the right-you're not really independent or whatever yeah they could just say oh you seem too one sided so sorry. Trump apologists can have no money for that now but did I read that Grimerica got deplatformed from PayPal? No I didn't hear that. Why?!

1:45:01 What would they ever do that would... I think, I think it happened. Hold on a second. Okay well you don't have my opinions in very high regard. Not today! Let's see.. They were suspended yes they were For what? Okay after... here it is They posted a screenshot, you can no longer do business with PayPal. After review we decided to permanently limit your account as we found potential risk associated with it." Therefore we will hold... put a hold on I guess they had 180 day hold? On the money too? Geez! Yeah i've heard that And now I don't know if they're back or not Well maybe they are back now That definitely was some problem

1:45:56 No, it could have been who knows what. But you know this is part of what I think is very well It's interesting times to live in when you have a lot of services and a lot of Fundamental things that we come to rely on are technology based So the most recent one is Airbnb actually I have a clip let me just share that so we can listen to it Now, whether you agree with it or not completely irrelevant if you have a house that you kind of count on the income for, from Airbnb and they just universally decide we're de-platforming you because you're the wrong person. You live in the wrong place or whatever their reason is which is well within their complete right to do that yeah. They have every right to do that yes so you got to be careful how much you rely on this stuff

1:47:06 Well, this is the same thing. This is a fractal of microservices architecture. Yeah except this is the consumer side... The consumer side- This is just a defractor goes out! Yes. This is out. So now it's not you know? It's just a big version of that small problem and it's just a huge problem and I mean this..I think Alex Jones by being to jerk daddy is in this regard he wanted Totally convinced that he pushed the envelope just to get the platform to show what the problem was. Yes, I agree I think you did too yeah because he actually He def- he was he called me and said don't come on the show anymore Did i tell you that? No Yeah this is a long time ago not a long time when I would the last time I canceled yeah I Said as I don't want to go on the shows And I don't want you coming on the show because they're gonna go after your money That's what he literally said

1:48:09 Really? Yeah. Yeah. He said don't... It was probably nice of him to keep you from coming on the show Of course it was! He only did this show once or twice, right? Yeah but he wanted me to come on the show I think-I can't remember what it was for Was that substitution when he was doing- Oh yes You're right, you're right The substitution-you remember better than I do And I was like well and then I said you really shouldn't come on the show because I was talking his producer and then he calls me saying nah they are going after you dude Don't do it Its not what-you dont want it And I think he Yes so I think hes Yeah, he probably does do that on purpose for him. For making a point and you gotta appreciate that I do. It doesn't help him or anybody else but yeah... These payment systems we're gonna see it's an issue Bitcoin baby! I hate to say it Hey how is the bitcoin doing? Holy crap people must be jumping out of windows about now Well I feel sorry for the people last Thanksgiving

1:49:10 No, going up to it was probably 15,000 Thanksgiving last year wasn't it? It was the year that according I think it was Horowitz who had this anecdote about all these youngins, you know the Bitcoin nutballs going to their Thanksgiving dinner with their lambo. Get in a Bitcoin get them all get them all jacked up all the old folks jacked up about Bitcoin and then they this Thanksgiving is gonna be a little different You broke me son I took your advice and now i'm broke being your mom are living in his shelter So what is it now? It is now 4525. It was around 6... Yeah, it was around 65 two weeks ago Here's my favorite response. Let me see. Was it really about... I think you're right. It was near Christmas time You're right that's when it went up to 18 thousand almost 20 thousand Here's the response I like the best Hey one Bitcoin is still worth one Bitcoin

1:50:11 It's my favorite. It's my favorite response because it's true if you use it purely as a transmission mechanism and your in-and-out, yeah! It's fantastic so much more efficient than banking. Yeah well I know about the efficiency part... Yes very efficient You're gonna argue that? That you can send money within 20 minutes to someone guaranteed through Bitcoin versus three days rigmarole with banks But pop money is pretty efficient. And not internationally, doesn't work internationally. Hmm could be no it is so I know because I have a daughter and we transfer money usually the wrong way It's usually the wrong way for me to her that's usually bad the bad transfer oh yeah it's cuz you're financing terrorism Yeah! So yes it's a very efficient payment network

1:51:07 for that, not for buying stuff but for just transferring money. I think it's fantastic. So apparently in Canada they also have a problem with depression not the depression which is what we're talking about but we're switching back to depression and so the Canadians get a kick out of this. I'm not gonna do this Canadian thing forever but I got kind of a kick out of some of these stories. I want you to play these clips about depression and play there this one just another word for lobotomy Close to a million Canadians live with depression that actually resists treatment. Shock therapy has long been considered an effective approach, but it can come obviously with serious side effects so doctors are exploring less invasive treatments that go straight to the source of the problem. Kasprusi explains It's hard to beat some quality time with your son You can throw it a little bit harder at me For Sky Sazlov its'a welcome break

1:52:05 Look at your target. For the past several years, she's struggled with debilitating depression I don't even know how to explain it because it's not angering It's...it's frustrating. Zaslov has what is known as treatment resistant depression Sorry! Interference She has major depressive disorder which has been chronic going on for over seven years and she has either failed to respond or failed to tolerate a number of antidepressant treatments. So earlier this year, Sazlov tried something different agreeing to be part of the study at Sunnybrook Hospital in Toronto that uses an non-invasive approach to treating this kind of depression

1:52:51 With her head shaved and fitted with a metallic headgear, Sazlov was placed in an MRI. Once inside doctors then used ultrasound beams to heat and disrupt the precise part of the brain that causes depression Think of it as an adjustment to the circuits of the brain and so the MRI guided focus ultrasound goes directly to that circuit makes a cut or a Lesion in that circuit and stops if you're firing when it shouldn't be firing. Holy crap, is that permanent? Yeah Oh my god clip at the day

1:53:31 A lobotomy! An actual cyber knife modern lobotomy. Yes, well let's go to the next clip. Wow This is another one this is another word for electroshock therapy Other ways to treat the illness What you just heard was a very high frequency magnetic pulse. One of those is a brain stimulation treatment that uses magnets instead of electricity to induce the seizure. Magnetic seizure therapy was really evolved out of this idea that producing a seizure for therapeutic purposes is very effective in depression. Damn!

1:54:19 Just treating myself. I like the way they said, the lobotomy is non-invasive thus it's good! Yeah because it just penetrated through your skull with what was it infrared laser? What the hell are they doing? Sonic. Oh that's not invasive well I guess technically What is the definition of invasive? It doesn't leave a hole, I guess. Just a burn mark? Yeah it doesn't leave a hole even though you're shaving. Holy crap! Now this to me is the classic example of calling one thing something else to make it palatable To make it sound great. To the idiots who listen to this stuff say oh that's much better. Oh my goodness. It's the same thing now...I want to just throw this in but I was looking into the history of vasectomies

1:55:07 not recently, but some time ago when I was doing my vasectomy material. And if you look into the history of vasectomies, vasectomies were used as a substitute for what is happening when you cut the balls off? It's called a... Eunuch? No, you cut the balls off is the name for that. Castrate? Castration! Apparently in the 20s or I think during our era where we're all in the, all these eugenics and all this stuff. The Americans in particular were castrating people especially I think a lot of blacks and a lot of other people in the South mostly they would get into prison to say well you're chasing around little boys so we're going to... Wasn't this part of the Eugenic Society of America's program? Didn't they do that as well?

1:55:59 They may have, yeah maybe. So what happened though was when they were castrating people you know they'd knock them out and then they cut the nuts off and then... And then they throw a friend's giving! Take the nuts and cook him into gravy so then they guys apparently were irked by by this and they'd come in and track down the doctor who cut their nuts off and kill them. And this was becoming a real problem if you're a doctor, so one doctor who's I don't have the details because they don't have this paperwork in front of me but there's a very famous doctor who invented the vasectomy as a substitute for castration because it did exact same things

1:56:44 It calmed the guy down and did all these things that were, it just essentially was a castration. But with, but it was done inside the balls inside the nut sack to show the guy wouldn't notice so he could look around I'm still good. And so he was happy camper when go kill the doctor where she used to do. So why? So my commentary about people getting themselves castrated by getting a vasectomy I don't think is completely out of bounds now I'm just, yes. Okay well we don't want to spend too much time on the vasectomy stuff and castration i'm still at the lobotomy stage and that this is seen to be like some breakthrough it's not a breakthrough you need to run away from this yeah well and is this paid for by the great Canadian health insurance? I'm sure it is

1:57:33 Well, I have a companion story to that. Not as funny but we do have some issues A well-known drug thought to reduce PTSD symptoms and suicidal thoughts could actually make them worse. A new study tracked patients who took przosin for eight weeks and found the drug worsened nightmares And didn't do much to lessen suicidal thoughts Two of the participants had to undergo emergency inpatient psychiatric care though no one attempted suicide during the study. The results back up a study from earlier this year that also showed prazosin brought on new or worsened suicidal thoughts in 8% of military veterans suffering from PTSD. How about that? Some kind of...

1:58:17 Big pharma thing that is making it worse instead of better surprising. Yeah, I'm stunned Maybe they should do how do you find information like this? You'd go over to Candinavia and get you want what's the name of that procedure? Don't know. Oh, come on with this a mention it in the clip I don't remember them mentioning it Yeah, I want to listen to it close to a million Canadians live with depression that actually resists treatment I'm gonna write it down therapy has long been considered an effective approach but you can come obviously with serious side effects So doctors are exploring less invasive is shock therapy still really a thing people use shock therapy still

1:58:55 Well in Canada they're using magnets to cause it. Yeah, shock therapy! You get a jolt... But that still happens today? Shock therapy? I believe it does. ...treatments that go straight to the source of the problem. Cass Roussey explains It's hard to beat some quality time with your son. You can throw it a little bit harder at me. And I'm really appreciating the whole clip now You know, throwing a ball with your son back and forth. Just let us do this non-invasive thing This is almost the native ad for this procedure. Sky Sazlov it's a welcome break Look at your target For the past several years she struggled with debilitating depression I don't even know how to explain it because It's not angering It's...it's frustrating Sounds like Trump syndrome

1:59:47 She sounds very, very even-keeled here though. Aslov has what's... Yeah but if you look at her she is totally a candidate for Trump syndrome Okay, Trump derangement syndrome? You mean TES? It's frustrating. Aslov has what's known as treatment resistant depression Treatment, treatment resistant depression Which means their shit doesn't work on her treatment resistant so it's TRD. Sorry, interference! She has major depressive disorder which has been chronic going on for over seven years. Wait stop a second

2:00:30 In the clip she's throwing a ball back and forth with her kid, you know. She's saying look at the target, she was saying a bunch of dumb stuff nobody does when they play catch. Sounds like her kid is as a retard that's the problem with this clip. But she throws... there's a little kid and so she throws the ball over his head by mistake and says sorry interference. Interference? Blaming a non-existent entity for her fuck up Oh! So it was like her treatment resistant depression interfered I don't know what interfered, but it seems like she's one of the... It was a blame person. She blamed everybody for herself. Wait we need some disclaimers for this treatment! Invisible forces may cause you to throw things in weird directions

2:01:13 And she has either failed to respond or failed to tolerate a number of antidepressant treatments. So earlier this year, Sazlov tried something different agreeing to be part of the study at Sunnybrook Hospital in Toronto that uses an non-invasive approach to treating this kind of depression I like how they've categorized treatment resistant depression as you know...a kind of depression isn't it just You know just I don't know. Okay non-invasive approach, I'm writing this down with her head shaved and fitted with a metallic headgear Sazlov was placed in an MRI Once inside doctors then used ultrasound beams to heat and disrupt the precise part of the brain that causes depression Think of it as an adjustment to the circuits of the brain Adjustment to the circuits of the brain

2:02:11 Well, you know this is pioneering work because yeah you can treat anybody with stuff like this. We're going back to medieval times! And so the MRI guided focus ultrasound goes directly into that circuit makes a cut or a lesion in that circuit and stops it from firing when it shouldn't be firing Fantastic That's just fantastic This is one of the best things I've heard in weeks Wow. Seriously, I love this we're going back to medieval times rebranding it rebranding it and then we're just cutting people's lobotomy you know giving them lobotomies what exactly do you cut out with a lobotomy? You cut the frontal lobe off. Frontal lobe yeah Yeah they played all...you know I'm surprised there wasn't some nice music in the back

2:03:03 I mean, I think I might maybe obsessed with this now. Gosh! Noticing you really got into this... Well come on, this is crazy! ...and didn't even pay for something that I did not expect? Well, it may be just old-fashioned but the whole lobotomy thing and didn't we kind of get rid of that? Yeah, it was actually faddish for a while In recent history how long ago were lobotomies performed in...? I think they were performed until the 50's Huh But don't you usually then become like kind of docile and very quiet? Yeah. It's a solution, it's our final solution for Canada.

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2:16:09 So I go and listen to their little clip there that they've clipped out of context. It was not at all about Trump, but it was kind of funny. He was about climate change and about all of us! I mean i didn't take it as a dig at trump but thats what the Daily Mail thought but here's what he said. Emissions by let say 30% without any you know its no like we'd have to go back to caves You know, live off fire. You know? You could have electricity and smartphones and all that stuff which would buy us probably another 20-30 years for that technological breakthrough that's necessary the reason we don't do it is... Hold on! What are you talking about?! Is there a technological breakthrough that's coming in twenty thirty years

2:16:59 Or are we just gonna start nuclear now? Probably another 20-30 years for that technological breakthrough. That's necessary the reason we don't do it is because We are still confused blind shrouded with hate anger what racism Mommy issues. I mean, so he may actually meme Trump there to the insiders that people who are chuckling? I guess but i didn't take it that way if he's just any talk about all of us we're all yeah He's basically reading Twitter We with stuff and And and so if that's the case then the single

2:18:02 Most important thing that we have to invest in is not all and look I'm a huge supporter of you know science and technological research and social science, and yeah Evidence-based learning and all that good stuff. I'm just uh people call me Spock for a reason I believe hold on when did people start calling him Spock for a reason oh Nobody calls him Spock. He says he said right there people call me Spock for a reason damn thing and all that good stuff I'm People call me Spock for a reason, but I believe in reason and logic and all these enlightenment values I've never heard anyone call him Spock because he's so Reasoned but the maniac bet really we have to invest in his people

2:18:57 We gotta get people to figure out how they work together. Wow! A breakthrough! How do we get people to work together in a cooperative, thoughtful, constructive way? Suck it and soot! I played that clip just to play the next clip because what he's saying here is we will all die, we will not make it out of the climate change hellhole where we are all terminated by excessive heat with our iPhones because we can keep them. Because people don't work together. Because we haven't figured out how to work together

2:19:36 And then he goes in to tell you a history of his political career, in a nutshell two minutes and how he worked together with everybody. Or did he? Here's the interesting thing that happens when your president or when you go through the experience being president I'm not sure why that's funny. He said here's what the interesting thing about president or when you go being going through the experience of being President, I'm not maybe I'd miss something in the context but people thought that was funny Here's the interesting thing that happens when your present Or when you go through the experience of being president Why is this funny

2:20:22 I think what he's saying, and i think what this audience is thinking he's saying if he's trying to say it but he's not saying it. Is that I was president Donald Trump just went through the experience He's not present, he's not my president, he's no good Got it got it Remember we're talking about working together with people you may not agree with Working together To save humanity Here's how he did it So you start off, you know your a community organizer and your struggling to try and get people to recognize each others common interests. You know your trying to get some project done in a small community

2:20:59 You start thinking, okay you know what this alderman's a knucklehead and they're resistant to doing the right thing. And so I need to get more knowledge more power more influence To work together That i can really have an impact So you go to the state legislature and look around and say these jimokes Woah! Using our word Your word in particular Well it's I say are because I got from Tina Maybe its Chicago thing Jamokes. Maybe, could be. So he didn't work with people as a community organizer. No, she's their mojla, everyone is dumb! Yeah because they're knuckleheads no good so I needed more power more power so i went to Senate and then there's just jamokes. So that I can really have an impact and so you go to the state legislature and... Oh no it was the state legislature sorry. Look around and say these jamokes may be

2:21:56 Not all of them, but I'm just saying you know you start getting that sense of this is just like dealing with the alderman Right so no. I gotta do something different So you so then you make sure there's a sex scandal Including a celebrity so you can get a Senate seat free by getting kicked out all kinds of backroom dealings so presto your senator then you go to The US Senate and you're looking around and they're like, oh man Let's work together everybody working together menu And then when your president you're sitting in these international meetings and it's like the g20 and you got all these world leaders

2:22:35 And it's the same people! That's how you work together. That's how we save the world, by calling people names. That's perfect. He thinks everybody is an idiot but him. What? He thinks everyone is an idiot but him. That's exactly right. You got all these world leaders and its' the same people which is really interesting Same dynamics, you know it's just that there's a bigger spotlight. There's a bigger stage But I'm only partly joking about that the The nature of human dynamics does not change from level to level You know which is why I've been quoted saying this sometimes like okay What do you think he's about to quote which she's been quoted many times? apparently

2:23:33 W e bead the boys most of what you need to learn you can actually just read dr. Seuss, right? That's all we know dr. Seuss doctor since because You know there's the story of the snitches and like people the sneetches have The ones with stars think that they're better than the ones who don't have stars and they got an attitude You know, there's the Lorax who is trying to tell people don't cut down the trees because then the fish are going to die. Right? I mean it's all pretty much there and and the reason... No no no Perfect example of how working together can save us from the death of climate change with our iPhones we'll be able to keep them with some technological revolution in 30 years

2:24:29 I'm surprised Dr. Seuss, well we'll talk about that on some other show but he did a lot of racist cartoons in World War II. I miss Obama! So iIm watching Democracy Now they have an interview with this guy Ronan Bergman and he wrote a book he's Israeli journalist investigative journalist who wrote a book about Israeli assassinations Oh I thought hummus no not about And we have a new brand, it's Khashoggi Hummus. Anyway and I got a kick out of this bonehead question that was asked him because if you listen to this question the guy... This is that day Sanchez or whatever the guy's name is on Democracy Now! The guy who writes for The Post I think and he phrases this question as I'm listening to what I'm saying he's describing our country

2:25:32 And this is Bonehead question on DN. From the outside, Israeli intelligence from the outset occupied a shadowy realm one adjacent to yet separate from the country's democratic institutions The activities of the intelligence community most of it Shin Bet and the Mossad under direct command of the Prime Minister took place without any effective supervision by Israel's parliament to connect it or by any other independent external body. What damage has been done to the democratic institutions of Israel as a result of this almost parallel situation? Instead of the civilian controlling the military, it was almost as if the military and intelligence community controlled the government

2:26:18 You mean like the military industrial complex controls Trump or adversely, the CIA controls Obama? Oh gee. That doesn't happen everywhere! I'm so surprised. It's so funny to listen this question now... Nobody sees the irony of this question because it is essentially the same as when Ron Paul said that the CIA took over the country in 1962 after they assassinated Kennedy And you have this shadow government which seems to be running on its own juices because they're against the president and they have all these issues. But nobody sees that irony of the way he asked a question, so even the guy Bergman when he answers the question doesn't quite see it and he kind of answers it straight. Well few things first Israel is a liberal democracy in the Middle East but Israel also faces severe threats

2:27:16 and living under the trauma of the Holocaust. And I think that the new Israelis, the Jews who lived in Palestine or those who came from the Holocaust and established the state of Israel they drew three main lessons from the Holocaust first that there will always be someone who wants to kill them That the other non-Jews would not do anything to help. Third is that they need to have Israel a safe haven, a refuge and guarded with whatever possible Now when you have this at the back of your mind and every decade, your prime nemesis, your chief adversary Nasser of Egypt Saddam Hussein of Iraq Yassir Arafat Ahmadinejad of Iran when they want to eliminate you or call for your destruction and take physical actions to do this then you are left with basically one conclusion. The Israelis were left with one conclusion rise and kill first paying very little tribute to international law international norms

2:28:09 and building these two sets of law, one for regular matters and one for the intelligence community and the military. Yes! It's how you undermine our democracy, our democratic institutions of intelligence agencies Yeah. Jeez! Rise and Kill First is the name of the book, and people might want to look at it I have two more clips from this guy if you're interested One of them is about the assassination of Arafat even though he wasn't technically assassinated And so they ask him about this because he documents all these murders one after another in his book

2:28:47 claiming that Israel's killed more people and I think he included all the drone strikes Obama did as being just a kind of murderous regime. And this guy is Arab or Jew? He's Jew. Just checking. Let's play killing Arafat. It dates back to 1968 shortly after Arafat was appointed not just the chief of Fatah but the chief of the umbrella organization called the PLO, the Palestinian Liberation Organization And the IDF, Israeli Defense Forces were desperate. They were sending Arafat and the PLO was sending groups of terrorists from Jordan to Israel they couldn't catch them they couldn't catch him an attempt to invade Jordan and kill them end up in a catastrophe. Then this chief psychiatrist of the Israeli Navy came with what he said is a solution He saw that movie American movie The Manchurian Candidate and said I can do the same

2:29:46 I can take a Palestinian, hypnotize him Jason Bourne style program him and send him to Jordan to kill Yasser Arafat. And, believe it or not the chiefs of Israeli intelligence military intelligence and Mossad took that very seriously. They gave him a Palestinian prisoner who fit the profile that the psychiatrists thought would be suitable for such a process they gave him a training facility with live ammunition and for months he trained that person until one night he said okay he's okay he's done his fully programmed

2:30:21 That Palestinian crossed the Jordan River and after crossing he signaled a gun, an OK to his master psychiatrist. And he carried the gun in a walkie-talkie or wireless communication device. The psychiatrist said that he is now going to kill Arafat. This was something like 1am. At 5 a.m in the morning, the operatives of Israeli intelligence received a report from another agent said that someone, a Palestinian came to a Jordanian police station and told the policemen, this stupid Israelis thought that they hypnotized me but I was just playing a role. I'm loyal to Arafat please take me to Abu Ammar to ask Arafat to swear allegiance to the Palestinian Authority." Now this is a bit you know sometimes Israeli James Bond looks more like Inspector Clouseau

2:31:11 It's a bit of funny story, but the other stories were less funny. Israel tried to kill Arafat numerous times and it proved that... And Ronan did they ultimately succeed? There are of course many questions about Arafats final death whether it was natural or not So I thought that was amusing Well yeah! The guy just went..I was actually waiting for it to be Hey you know they tried to hypnotize me didn't work take me to Arafat and then he kills him Yeah, but that didn't happen. No now if you want to hear the rest of it was yes Yes I do need some resolution another story about killing Arafat Did did the Israelis actually do it or not and this is his explanation? Let's just from the top of my head from memory wasn't he kind of like in a some kind of standoff and his camp was surrounded

2:32:03 He died of some strange disease. Right, but I thought it was something that he was everything was surrounded and he died from that disease inside kind of his surrounded compound am i remembering that incorrectly? Let me just add that they tried many times and the peak of that was in 1982 When Ariel Sharon, Israeli Minister of Defense at that time ordered to take down a commercial airline with hundreds of passengers on board in order to kill Yasser Arafat. But the chiefs of Israeli Air Force rebelled against him and they didn't want Israel to be stained in this horrific war crimes, and they didn't want to violate the ethics of war of IDF. And they prevented the operations from happening. To your question...

2:32:54 There is an ambiguity and a few different reports about that. Let me just tell you that, uh, few months before Arafat's demise, mysterious demise, Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon met with President Bush at the White House and the president told him Mr. Prime Minister we heard there are plans to kill Yasser Arafat and we want you to promise us, to promise me that you will not assassinate Arafat. And Ariel Sharon said I see your point Mr. President." Now, the president of course understood that this was not a promise and said, �I really wish you to promise me that you will no do that.� To which Sharon said, �Mr. President, you are making a very strong argument� but the president didn't let it go until Prime Minister Sharon promised in his voice that he would not kill Arafat. Few months later Arafat dies from a mysterious disease

2:33:49 And I think in time, we will have the opportunity to tell the story behind that. In the meantime, Palestinians are convinced of course that Mossad or Israeli intelligence killed him The reason to hide the real story was not because of the Palestinians but because this would be a striking violation to a very clear promise by Israeli Prime Minister to an American president Is that so this is my book? Is that is his book about Arafat or what does this book about there's something it's about all It's a document of all the assassinations. The Israelis have done and hummus and homas in their I'm gonna read that and just looking at the theories of Arafats death There's quite a number of them. Yeah, hmm interesting All right. I don't have it was enlightening

2:34:48 Yeah, oh yeah. It's very enlightening... it's light-hearted too Just the final bit because the papers were filled with it when I was leaving London is that MI6 is very worried about what would be disclosed if President Trump should actually open up a lot of this Russia gate investigation In particular, what role MI6 British intelligence played in helping I think put together the report that led to Carter Page's wiretap and a couple other issues.

2:35:32 And this is of course not being really reported on much at all. Not here! At New York Times anyone done anything? Wall Street Journal? No, no one's gonna do anything. And what they're saying is it boils down to exposure of people and we don't want to reveal sources and methods So somehow the British intelligence appears to have been, I would use the word meddling in our elections. I would think so. They got their tit in a ringer as they like to say. Right but why do we not have a single...

2:36:09 Besides the asking me of course you're just joking when you know no I'm I was gonna say why doesn't even papers that Washington Post in New York Times are pretty much dominated by CIA employees. Yes, yes So this professional courtesy is what you're saying yeah Well your Noah gender show is reporting on it what we can but there's not very much like that Guardian article that I got it from Is behind a firewall or paywall? You can only get it if Yahoo reprinted it and And this is also a Telegraph article about it, but it's all... the Brits are talking about it. But we're not doing our typical copy and paste into the US publication. But it does seem that there's some fishy business going on. Yeah heads should roll Final clip for me you have a new mayor in San Francisco? About three months the Mayor has been in office how long has the new mayor been in?

2:37:04 I've been in, well yeah maybe six months. Three? No about three you're right three. Yeah so this what's her name? I really don't remember. Bravo Charlie i think is her name What's your name? Uh...I can't remember a name something crazy Okay she ran on a promise that within three months she would clean up the poop Clean up the poop in San Francisco, and I have a report. Earlier this year we surveyed 153 blocks of downtown San Francisco and uncovered a dangerous mix of trash needles and feces The story gained national attention and became a major issue in the mayor's race

2:37:45 then candidate London Breed promised a cleaner San Francisco within three months if elected. I would measure that by you know like not having feces, you know on our sidewalks and also urine and other things that we see the needles in many of the other challenges that exist. That would all be eliminated just at the end? I'm not saying it will all be eliminated i am saying there will be significant difference where its noticeable on the streets to find out if she made good on that pledge. But like before, we spotted trash on every block. We also saw feces on all 20 blocks In total we found feces 159 times That's a 67% increase And in a bizarre new twist Someone appears to be using feces To graffiti sidewalks in the city Seriously

2:38:48 We compared the mayor's first three months in office to the three months prior and found complaints to the city about needles, feces and trash have all increased. Is San Francisco cleaner today than before you took office? I think it is because i'm out there on a regular basis we've invested more resources we're spending more time trying to get people housed and we're focusing on those areas we know are the most problematic I am doing everything i can to invest the right resources into making San Francisco a lot cleaner and it takes time to get to a better place. So even though complaints are up since you've been elected, you don't think its because this city is actually dirtier? I dont think its because the city is actually dirty, I think its more people are reporting the challenges that exist. What would say to people who simply think you didn't accomplish what you said you would? I just started as mayor couple months ago But you made that three month promise

2:39:40 And you see a difference in certain areas. It is noticeable, there is a huge difference in certain parts of the city But you would acknowledge the city doesn't actually have data or any kind of metrics to show that definitively Well we have what we see visually... but at what point will walking over feces not be part of the norm in this city? I hope sooner rather than later Any idea when? I hope sooner rather than later You're talking months weeks Any timeline? I hope sooner rather than later. Hey, what are you working for the Austin Chamber of Commerce with this clip?! Oh yeah! I'm just letting them know i'm watching them here in Austin because you know we're next and poop will be on the streets and that does help with real estate prices though let's be honest all right everybody

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2:42:05 When I first started college, when i went running after five minutes I'd start feeling a burning in my chest and it was just me sucking in soot and smog. The smog was so bad It was like you might die Barack is an emissary of the devil, but you know that he's black and that's all you want to know. I said this is blatant racism! It is destroying the dream it is anti-Dr King You African, you Jesse Jackson, you process head Al Sharpton... YOU ARE WICKED! You are... HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

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