1:30:49 If Obama can do it. We'd have to, yeah, we have to have the studio that has to be located in the EU. So you have to put, the Netherlands is you've got the context. Easy, easy, easy. Yeah. I got a couple of Moroccan buddies. They can be hosts. Oh, perfect. And we just do GoPros on their helmets as they're going by liquidating people. Oh, I'm sorry. What am I thinking? Yeah. All right. Enough of that. So, Brazil's got a big election coming up. They got this fascist, I don't know what he is. The Trump of Brazil, they call him, but in fact, even Gren Greenwald doesn't think so. He's just this new guy and everyone's all freaked out about it. Nobody, of course, is covering the United States except Democracy Now! because they do actually cover more international news than the networks do.
1:31:39 Even though they don't really cover anything, they just read from some report. They read from a wire. But they actually discussed this a little bit. So we can keep up, so we show where international the show is. the Brazilian elections. Black people, the indigenous and the LGBT community and women have conquered so far. He represents a threat to democracy in our country, a democracy that we are still building. Joining us in Rio de Janeiro is Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, who co-founded The Intercept. Glenn, welcome back to Democracy Now! Can you talk about the significance of what is happening right now in Brazil, and particularly on Sunday, the election?
1:32:18 To begin with, the significance is that Brazil is a country of 210 million people, so it's the fifth most populous country in the world, right behind the United States, the second largest in the hemisphere and the most influential in all of Latin America. It's also the seventh largest economy in the world with major oil reserves. And what the Western media has often been doing in talking about Bolsonaro is calling him Brazil's Trump. which drastically and radically understates the case. He's much closer to say Duterte in the Philippines or even General Sisi in Egypt both in terms of what he intends to do and wants to do and what he's able to do given the fragility of Brazil which is an extremely young democracy that exited a military dictatorship only 33 years ago and therefore doesn't have the same kind of institutions to limit
1:33:08 what someone would want to do the way say the United States or the UK would. So it's an extremely dangerous moment for this country. Polls do show that he's unlikely to win in the first round on Sunday, but there is a possibility that he might, that he could actually just get 50% of the vote and avoid a runoff entirely. But even if he does make the runoff, the signs are really showing that he is likely to win against Lula's handpicked successor because of how much animus has been built up by the media and the business class toward PT in this country.
1:33:52 So, just for context. And can you talk more about just exactly what Bolsonaro represents, his homophobic comments, his anti-women comments, his support of the Brazilian military dictatorship? You know, you can go through the whole list of shocking comments. He once said in an interview that he would rather hear that his son died in a car accident than hear that his son is gay. He told a colleague in the lower house of Congress where he served for 30 years when she accused him of defending torture and rape, which he did during the dictatorship, that she need not worry because in his words she didn't deserve to be raped by him, meaning that she was too ugly to deserve and merit his rape. There's a whole slew of comments like that about black people, about the indigenous.
1:34:46 But the much more worrying aspect are not these kind of comments, but the policies that he is explicitly endorsing. His model for how he wants to deal with crime are the world's worst dictators, people like Pinochet. He's advocated that we do things like in the Philippines where we just send the military and the police to just indiscriminately slaughter whatever, whoever they think is a drug dealer or a criminal without trials. believes in military rule. He doesn't regard the military coup of 1964 and the 21-year resulting military dictatorship as a coup or as a dictatorship. He regards it as something noble and wants to replicate it. So this is one of our guys, apparently. Must be. If the stock market is like him. Now that you mention it, there's some element of that. Yeah.
1:35:39 Yes, we got a market would be booming. Yeah, we got to look into this guy see what's happening. Yeah, it's it's sad It's not like he's a new guy is Bolsonaro as you b o l s o n a around has been around and he's he does make the rude comments Mm-hmm, and he's gonna leave he's gonna be the next guy running Brazil. So we'll see what happens. Well that they got the oils That's for sure They got resources. A lot of natural resources that are... It's just, but has it just been corruption? The reason why Brazil has such a large percentage of the population is just completely impoverished is because of corruption? Because it seems like they got a pretty rich country, or rich in resources, and it's just, or just too many people. What is the problem there?