Furries Forever

00:01 Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It is Sunday, June 14th. Happy birthday to Super Agent Keith. Hey, it's time once again for your Gitmo Nation audio publication. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the crappiest bandwidth in the Bay Area. Located in Gitmo Nation West, I'm Adam Curry. And from Gitmo Nation Pacific Northwest, and powered by oatmeal I might add, I'm John C. Kiporak. So how do you prepare your oatmeal? Well, there is very little in the casa at the moment. So here's I prepared it with water because that's all I had and methodology It's unusual. It's not bad. It's not bad. And I since I had no sugar no brown sugar. No maple syrup I had some blueberries so I infested it with blueberries and actually was okay. It kind of tasted like blueberries with sawdust

00:59 Do you normally make it with milk and make more of a mush? Yeah, I do like to make more of a mush and I like a little bit of brown sugar or it kind of depends on the mood. I might try maple syrup, but only if it's really good maple syrup. So I had my oatmeal, I also had the boiling water method, I sometimes make it with milk too. But it makes a different product when you... Oh totally, yeah totally. But I had birch syrup. So that's... It's from Alaska. But how different does it taste from maple syrup? They don't taste anything the same. But is it... can you try and describe it?

01:42 If anyone has ever had birch beer, obviously you can taste that. Thomas Kemper makes that up here in the Pacific Northwest and they have birch beer which is a little milder unless they concentrate it than maple syrup. The maple syrup has a unique, I mean an absolutely amazing flavor profile that is just all-encompassing. It's one of the greatest sugars ever. And of course if it's from Vermont then it's really the best. Well you know I find good Canadian stuff and elsewhere but Vermont does have a good reputation. A good blend.

02:21 They go out of their way to make good maple syrup. But anyway, the point is that the birch syrup is nothing like it in terms of its flavor profile. But it's a nice change of pace. It's like if you have the no polys sugar, that stuff that comes from the of Most of the tequila companies, they make sugar from the agave plant and that makes the tequila. And they sometimes bottle the sugar straight and you can buy that now because it's supposed to have all these health benefits. That's actually quite tasty too but it's the mildest of the three. Anyway. It's your food chapter.

03:20 It's in the morning. We need a cough button. Leo's got one on his rig. Yeah, I know Leo's cool. I was gonna say the loft that I hope to move into on Monday is in the same building that houses the company that is the first company to legally distribute absinthe in the US. Oh, huh. This absinthe that they're distributing, most of it's not very good. I don't know. I'm not a drinker as you know. I think I've tasted it once or twice but I'm not really like, woo, can't wait.

04:08 So we have a stream live for IRC users but you can go to it directly with noagendachat.com. Yeah I'm just trying to log in to irc.0node.net and I try to hit the noagenda channel and it says if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting please mention it to staff. I don't know what's going on. Well I mean if you go straight to the website there's a live web client that runs and it's just it looks like it works fine. In fact, I'm gonna send a message hello. Yeah, so you clearly didn't see my hello because I guess I'm not in. It doesn't matter. I can't do the web client now because... Right, you'll kill this... You'll kill everything. Yeah. And the worst part if I can just send you this link John because it will not open for me. Every other... I have to open all of my

05:01 my web pages before the show on this crappy bandwidth but the story looks so fascinating if you could hold on a second if you could just open that because the title of this story which I'm just dying to hear about and of course totally fits under the category of and now back to real news man sues over 55 hour erection and I'm thinking you know this is there's a phone ringing hold on It was, oh, you're getting the phone calls. Hey, who the hell is calling me on the phone? Go away. Reminded me I can unhook my phone. So let's see, we got man sues over 55 hour erection. Former prison inmate Dawood Yadullah is suing a nurse in the United States claiming that he suffered an erection that lasted 55 hours as a side effect of medication he had been given.

05:52 Yadula, 43, said he had to wait more than two days before being taken from a New York prison to a hospital. To hospital? Oh, to hospital is a straight- Yeah, it's a British story. As we would say, to a hospital for treatment reported in New York Post on Monday. According to media reports, Yadula said that his daily dosage of anti-psychotic medication was increased by 25% by a nurse, Judith Lovelace. Oh yeah, like Linda's sister. Now we're talking. And as a side effect, he had a persistent and painful erection. This left him irreparably injured.

06:40 Okay, well I was thinking you know this would be some kind of Cialis or Viagra story because they always have that tagline at the end of the commercials if you experience an erection for more than four hours contact your doctor immediately. Yeah and as the joke goes if I get an erection for more than four hours I'm calling everybody. Or that's not a problem you need to call your doctor for that's a scheduling problem. Yeah there's a bunch of gags over that line. Which reminds me, I've got to get some more clips of these. There's a new drug out. Which reminds me, we've got to get some more funny material, is that what you were going to say? We need more funny material or we're short. Speaking of short, a great, and of course all of these links are faithfully put into the show notes at noagenda.mivio.com. I'm sure you saw all the conferences where you had Sarkozy and Obama sitting together

07:35 and discussing things together. I guess it was Normandy, we talked about it last week. But there's this picture and it's from Times Online. I'm going to Skype this to you because if you haven't seen it, it's just hilarious. Of course, we always harp on, and both of us being over six feet tall, we're allowed to harp on the vertically challenged. You'll see a profile picture at the podium of President Obama standing with his, what is he like, guy's like 6'3"? I think so, something like that. 6'2". And then you see Sarkozy who is, you know, 4'9". Standing on an apple crate. Do you see it?

08:15 Yeah, I love it. It's somebody shot that picture just the point of just to ridicule him Yeah, and rightfully so did you never have a look at they even have that podium has got like these barriers So you can't see I so you can't see it. Yes, so somebody went to the way over a side They even use they even use the n-word in the article. I love that the n-word of course being Napoleon. I And then they got a cartoon of him standing. What's the cartoon? Oh, there's a picture at the bottom of him of all standing flat-footed and you know with his lovely wife. She must be 5'11". No, she looks almost at... well, she's probably... I don't know if she's wearing... she wears flats. She doesn't really wear heels. So she looks about... she's 6'1", dude.

09:05 I don't think so, because he's already towering over her. He's standing in the background. But look at the lovely, lovely Carla Bruni. Yeah, she's like a foot taller than, well, she's about five inches taller than Sarkozy. And her knees are bent. She's hot. In fact, she's on her knees. I picked up a copy of the Wall Street Journal weekend yesterday. And, uh, I was looking for a story about the New York Stock Exchange. I don't know if you followed that, but on Friday the thing glitched at the opening, which I found highly suspect. I flipped on CNBC and they're all like, well, you can tell that they're all excited. Something horrible is amiss. Something's going on.

09:53 And these things with computer glitches, particularly when it comes to trading systems, I've just always got to put my little question marks around it. You didn't follow that obviously. No. I don't know. Whenever that happens, I'm like, okay, I'm sure just a computer glitch, nothing to see here. But, sorry, I forgot to hit the cough button. In the second part of the W1 section, they have a whole article about, actually titled, Divided We Stand. And subhead, what would California look like broken in three? Or Republic of New England, with the federal government reaching for ever more power, redrawing the map is enticing, says Paul Starobin.

09:53 And these things with computer glitches, particularly when it comes to trading systems, I've just always got to put my little question marks around it. You didn't follow that obviously. No. I don't know. Whenever that happens, I'm like, okay, I'm sure just a computer glitch, nothing to see here. But, sorry, I forgot to hit the cough button. In the second part of the W1 section, they have a whole article about, actually titled, Divided We Stand. And subhead, what would California look like broken in three? Or Republic of New England, with the federal government reaching for ever more power, redrawing the map is enticing, says Paul Starobin.

10:47 and uh... it's about something that you know i've certainly been following we've discussed from time to time that there are still many many states within the union that uh... have movements uh... of people who are thinking about breaking off from uh... from the entire union well or were doing other things like a uh... northern california from about uh... to know what area is a maybe north of reading to most of southern oregon wants to become the state of jefferson they have a name for it? What? They have a name for it? The state of Jefferson? Yeah, Jefferson. Yeah. And in fact, when you drive up there, when you drive through that area, you'll see signage all over the place. Really? Welcome to the state of Jefferson and it's a big picture of Jefferson's, the profile of Thomas Jefferson. Really? Yeah, Jefferson. But they tend to be

11:41 They tend to be slightly right-wing. You think? Just a guess. Economic logic suggests a natural multilingual combination between greater San Diego and Mexico's northern Bahia and to the Pacific North between Seattle and Vancouver in a mega region already dubbed Cascadia. Oh, Cascadia. That's a good one. I don't know, it feels like something really is happening. And when it's in the Wall Street Journal, you go, oh, okay, I'll pay attention to this for a second. Well, there's been a, you know, that area, I have to agree, I mean, there is a similarity between this northern part of California and southern Oregon. And then there is probably more of a connection between Portland and that southern part of Washington State, in fact, maybe the whole coast. But when you get to Seattle, Bellingham, Redmond, Bellevue,

12:39 that Puget Sound area from Seattle up to Vancouver, there is a similarity in a lot of different ways. Although Vancouver and Seattle being so close to each other would present some sort of a metropolitan issue I think, but whatever. Now do you think that this is actually... A lot of these people in BC always consider themselves more part of the United States than they do Canada. Do you think that this actually could happen? How about Texas? Texas has always kind of been... Yeah, big talkers. I realize that Texas is a bunch of low hearts. It's john at Dvorak dot org. Send your ammo to him. I don't know man.

13:29 There's a lot of people who are getting pretty pissed off and it's a movement that's bubbling under but in fact last night I was cruising through, I actually spent some time trying to watch some television and I have Comcast basic cable at this place so no premium channels so you it's basically every single channel is a commercial it's unreal you never hit programming for some reason And on one of the, I guess the high number, 78, which is, well, that's got to be some local access. They had architects, architectural engineers for 9-11 Truth, and they had like a whole hour program. It was amazing to see that that was on. And that's, there is some stuff creeping through, John, and there's a lot of dissent and a lot of dissatisfaction.

14:23 So we have, my son came up with a good phrase that we can use to generate income and sell t-shirts maybe. Or hey, help save America, listen to no agenda. I don't know. The bumper sticker. Yeah, but first of all, why only America? We have tons of producers and listeners from around the globe. Yeah, but America needs to be saved. Yeah, the whole world needs to be saved. Well, help save the world? Then we sound like an environmental movement. Yeah, but it's like, can't we just do like nuke the gay whales, listen to no agenda? That would entice me more to listen. So, you have the Real News thing? Yeah, hold on a second. Why yes I do, John! And now, back to Real News. So, did you know that Simon Cowell was one of the original producers of Teletubbies? No, I did not know that.

15:25 Dude, are we sure everyone knows who the Teletubbies are? I guess so, right? Yeah, no, they had the Teletubbies on in the United States and it became a big controversy when one of the religious people said they were gay. It wasn't a governor or senator who said Tinky Tinky Winky was gay? One of them was gay. And by the way, Tinky Winky is gay. Big deal. Tinky Winky. I did him. So this came up in a conversation yesterday that I was having. Turns out that there was a follow-up to the Teletubbies show which you can look at on YouTube called Booba. Have you ever seen or heard of this? No, and I can't look at it now for obvious bandwidth reasons. Booba, can you spell it? B-O-O-H dash B-A-H. Okay, Booba. Booba. Booba. And it's Teletubbies looking guys, only they have like

16:19 Not to be crude or rude, you can cover your ears if you don't want to, anybody doesn't want to hear this. It looks like they have dickheads that actually come out, popped out of their bodies like a dick. Kind of disgusting. It didn't go over very well. Clearly not circumcised. Or something. But anyway. Yeah. That's my news. I want everyone to go check it out. How does Simon Cowell relate to that? I just thought I'd throw his name in it so we'd have some real news. We don't know whether Simon Cowell had anything to do with Boo-Bah, but we know that some of the other Teletubbies people do. That's all we know. Oh, okay. I gotcha.

17:04 We never really, and that's I think because of our no agenda schedule on Thursdays and Sundays, we never really got into the European Parliament elections or touched on it briefly that of course Labour did very, very poorly. Gordon Brown's party, if we look at Gitmo Nation East, and boy I can't wait to get all of my Gitmo Nation East publications in so I can try to continue the Gitmo Nation East flavor on the show. But interestingly the UKIP, the independent party, did quite well. And this is of course, what's his name, Neil Farage, is that his name? The guy who's always standing up and doing great speeches in European Parliament and giving everybody shit. I'm pretty happy about that. And now it seems according to the Telegraph

17:56 that a new Commons, that's I guess their Hill vote, could prove explosive and would be seized on by the Tories and the UKIP, who made big gains in the recent European elections, to actually really have to make a vote on the Lisbon Treaty in the United Kingdom. Which, as you know if you listen to this show, they just kind of ran through Parliament. There was some cool guy who did sue the Labour government trying to stop the ratification of it. But it's a good article and of course that'll be in the show notes. And I guess that they're using some legal recourse now.

18:42 To actually put that to a vote which wow that could really disrupt a lot of the a lot of the plans that these guys have Yeah, you think? That's okay, they'll find some other way to bypass it hmm, no, we'll see you know Ireland still has uh you know they're still trying to force the the second vote and for the Irish. And this thing is so messed up. We just become so desensitized and just kind of accept all of this bullshit that they pull on us. Unreal. So, I see Jeff Smith has Twittered me that there was some guy who... get back to that. What was this? The CNN fail? No, the CNN fail. I can't... You know, the CNN fail's got something to do with the fact that the coverage of the Iranian elections was

18:42 To actually put that to a vote which wow that could really disrupt a lot of the a lot of the plans that these guys have Yeah, you think? That's okay, they'll find some other way to bypass it hmm, no, we'll see you know Ireland still has uh you know they're still trying to force the the second vote and for the Irish. And this thing is so messed up. We just become so desensitized and just kind of accept all of this bullshit that they pull on us. Unreal. So, I see Jeff Smith has Twittered me that there was some guy who... get back to that. What was this? The CNN fail? No, the CNN fail. I can't... You know, the CNN fail's got something to do with the fact that the coverage of the Iranian elections was

19:39 I don't get the big deal. I did see this past, you know, the news channels like, oh well, you know, it's clearly it's been a big sham and Ahmadinejad wins by a 50% margin. Like who cares? Who cares? You're finally getting back into becoming an American. Yes, a fine American who doesn't give a crap. Either one of us will be able to do the show solo. We got to practice from one of us gets two to the head and the gun in the left hand, John. We just yak away. So anyway, Jeff Smith says, have you seen the time travel guy story? Man travels in time from 2036 to visit his mother? No. Have you seen the story?

19:39 I don't get the big deal. I did see this past, you know, the news channels like, oh well, you know, it's clearly it's been a big sham and Ahmadinejad wins by a 50% margin. Like who cares? Who cares? You're finally getting back into becoming an American. Yes, a fine American who doesn't give a crap. Either one of us will be able to do the show solo. We got to practice from one of us gets two to the head and the gun in the left hand, John. We just yak away. So anyway, Jeff Smith says, have you seen the time travel guy story? Man travels in time from 2036 to visit his mother? No. Have you seen the story?

20:29 Well, it's actually turns out to be a click on it and it turns out to be a event being a kind of a. a link or something that happened on coast to coast with George Norie, you know that crazy radio, that's just something you should be listening to. You should listen to this show. You never listen to coast to coast. I do listen to it from time to time but rarely ever live, you know, sometimes, you have to pay for it to get access to the podcast or whatever so, you know, sometimes people upload some story to The Drop which I find a pretty good editorial process so I don't have to, it's only like four hours long isn't it? It was just a daily talk show. It's one of the oldest ones ever. Yeah, they got a lot of good stuff on there. They got a lot of good alien UFO stories. Yeah, I like it. It's a good show.

21:19 But anyway, so the guy time travels to visit his mom and yeah, I got a link to it But it's like this it sends me to this John Titor times Under which is under John Titor comm which is one of these sites that apparently scrolls down to China And as all is this missing is the cat running back and forth and back and forth across the screen I know it's like I couldn't find it on here if I wanted to so never mind. Hey just going back to to either one of us could do the show solo can we just make a a pact that should either one of us be killed by the government that you know the other one just goes on the show and then you know says well you know it's in my case would be well I'm very sorry to report that you know John has been a suicided by the government and then just go

22:07 And now back to realness. And then just do some story about a guy who got his penis caught in the door and just continue the show? Yeah, well that's pretty much what we're doing now. Exactly. Just want to make sure we agree on that. So I went to the commencement at Evergreen State College. Oh, this is for your son. Yeah. Which one? John. JJ, as I call him. JJ. I call him JJ. Yeah. as a response to that. But anyway, so this is actually one of the greatest entertainment values that you can have in your lifetime and I would recommend next year people, they finally, whenever Reen's doing their commencement, you have to go to it because then I'll have some photos posted. And I think you should briefly explain what commencement is for the... Commencement's where you get your degree, your bachelor's, whatever it is, or your PhD, whatever. Whatever he got. In front of a bunch of people. Whatever thing he did, you went.

23:03 He got a degree, but is it done, you know, it's just a, it's commencement. It's a very common occurrence. Yeah, in America, in America it's very common. It's a ceremony that is completely uncommon outside the borders. So they don't give diplomas to people that go to Cambridge? Not like, but the commencement outside of Gitmo Nation West is different. Well tell me, I'd be interested, I've never been to one. I don't think there's caps and gowns, yeah maybe Cambridge, but you know not in Germany, you know not in the Netherlands. In fact it's really quite boring, you know you sit in like an aula. Is that a correct English word, an aula? No. A-U-L-A? No, never heard of it. So you know like a gathering room.

23:49 You know, it's not like the cool thing out on the grass with the sun shining and everyone's there and they're all dressed up and we throw our caps in the air. It's none of that. I mean, that's a fine American tradition. I think the Navy Academy does that. Yeah, but you put the tassel on the other side and you've got your valedictorian speeches. No, I don't think it's like that outside of the United States. We're very, very culturally embedded in tradition here. So anyway, all right, I'm sorry. You know, I'm finding it hard to believe and I'll tell you why. This is not something that we dream up. It sounds like it came from England or France or someplace else because there's too much, just too much costumes. I don't know man, we're pretty good when it comes to costumes and uniforms in this country.

24:36 So anyway, but the joke of it is that at Evergreen, because it's kind of a free spirit school, everyone has a green cap and gown, but about 10% of the people dress up in their own outfits. So there's a guy in a penguin costume. There's women that are dolled up like they just, you know, one of them, they dubbed one of them Carmen Sandiego. She's wearing a white sundress and a big red hat. Oh fantastic. And there was some girl in all just a just a brightest red tight-fitting dress imaginable. And what was your son wearing? He was wearing a regular cap and gown. He took it. They had him and his pal, they had a million ideas. They were gonna do this, they were gonna just stand up and go Sieg Heil to one of the speakers.

25:27 No way. They never got it. They couldn't manage it. Pussies, pussies. That would have been awesome. They did have, because this one guy, this one character is one of the speakers who went on his whole speech was about Obama and how we, it wasn't about we have to do something for our country. We have to do this. No, we have to do it for Obama. So we have to help Obama. So Obama's the greatest thing that's ever happened. And we must help help him. He needs help. So go forth, go forth, young students and help Obama. Did you videotape any of this? That is so YouTube worthy. I wish I had that Obama one. I think they did tape it, so I think it's gettable. Oh, that's funny. Here's the interesting thing. The guy who heads the school, one of the chancellors, and I was just kind of stunned by this. He announces, the guy who was the keynote commencement speaker, whatever you want to call him,

26:23 who was this guy named White, W-H-Y-T, who bills himself as a corporate poet. And of course he had no poetry to read except, you know, none actually. And he was introduced as having a degree from some weird school I never heard of, zoology. which of course is a mispronunciation of the word zoology. There's not that many O's in the word to be pronounced zoology and zoology would be the study of zoos. Which I think you and I have a degree in. We do, we are the zoologists. So this is done by them, I'm mumbling to myself as I'm walking because I took probably 500 photos. So then the guy comes out, this white character

27:16 he says yes I have a degree in marine zoology. Oh no. And I'm thinking. You stood up going see Kyle. What are you talking about? It's like nobody that actually has the degree would ever say that. Yeah of course. Well it's very interesting because I was watching I watched the Jon Stewart show gosh for someone who doesn't watch television I watched a lot this week. I watched the Jon Stewart show maybe Thursday I'm gonna say and it was quite disappointing. It was really not a good show I can't put my finger on it Why but more interestingly right after the Jon Stewart show, of course Stephen Colbert comes on and I didn't know this But apparently he is with the troops in Iraq Yeah

27:58 He was doing reports from there. And he had his head shaved and everything. I thought at first it was some kind of chroma key joke. I'm like, what is going on with his hair? I'm like, oh shit, he actually shaved it. But he had the deputy prime minister of Iraq on the show. And of course, the audience is all fine young servicemen and women. And guess what this guy studied? He studied probability and he said it, zoology. And I'm sitting there going like, no way dude, you cannot sit there and say you're a zoologist. Of course he's not or he's full of it otherwise he would have said zoologist. Well maybe, yeah.

28:40 And then of course the punchline that Colbert had was, you know, well, how can you be a... It was like a marine zoologist in fact. And the guy, well, how much practability does that have in Iraq in the desert? And the guy said, well, of course, that's why I studied probability because I knew I'd really score well because the probability of applying my knowledge in Iraq is zero. But I just found it interesting that he pulled out the zoology instead of zoology. Zoology. So, I know usually at University of California you would get berated publicly for saying zoology.

29:21 until you got it through your head that it's pronounced zoology. So I'm looking at a photo here by the way just to change the topic back to commencement ceremonies at the University of Heidelberg as a matter of fact commencement ceremony and curiously they're all wearing caps and gowns and big red sashes. Maybe I should not have dropped out of my freshman year then I would have known better. Yeah, here's more photos from Europe. But they call it graduation there, I guess that's the big difference, not commencement. And I don't think the speeches are as entertaining. I certainly have not heard of anyone doing a commencement speech in Germany and going, Sieg Heil! But I would... I'm sure they used to! It's been a while, John, it's been a while.

30:07 They seem to have the same cap and gown in these German universities I'm looking at, but they all have the thing that's different instead of having like for example these had all this green stuff at Evergreen, which they're called greenies, is they have different colored sashes and these sashes are quite colorful. I'm looking at some blue ones here. I might mention something else just to be off that topic completely. There were a couple of furries. Are you familiar with these people? In Second Life I'm familiar with the term furries. They're people who have cat-like fur and pretty much only like to have virtual sex with other furries.

30:07 They seem to have the same cap and gown in these German universities I'm looking at, but they all have the thing that's different instead of having like for example these had all this green stuff at Evergreen, which they're called greenies, is they have different colored sashes and these sashes are quite colorful. I'm looking at some blue ones here. I might mention something else just to be off that topic completely. There were a couple of furries. Are you familiar with these people? In Second Life I'm familiar with the term furries. They're people who have cat-like fur and pretty much only like to have virtual sex with other furries.

30:46 Yes, well there's real furries in the real world and a couple of them were dressed up as such at the commencement. One was dressed up as a panda bear and he received his degree and his girlfriend was dressed up as a bunny and she and I have some great I have actually a portrait of the two of them because as they came out I had moved myself into a position to get some good shots and they posed so you know I've been trying to capture them the whole time. A lot of people dressed in drag. And is this a, just staying with furries for a moment is this an actual lifestyle that people yes used to follow getting to yes is a lifestyle and the key to it is is a sexual cult but i call the cult and the idea is is that you find your inner died that i didn't know about this either but i got the lectures you find your inner animal uh... what it might be in skid your bunny for example i mean she like to screw a lot and uh... he said that you like to get eaten

31:41 Sorry, no rim shot. Yeah, thanks. We need the rim shots. So, you know, you find your inner animal and then you dress like them, you become that animal and you only have sex as a furry. So these people apparently have sex all dressed up in these costumes. Really? That seems like... So these costumes have trap doors and stuff? I have no idea. I didn't go that far into it. There's obviously some way of doing it. Whatever the case is that's uh, there are clubs where you go and hook up. There are there are they have I don't know if they have nightclubs or places. Yeah, I'm sure there's something like that because apparently

32:22 I was told that one of the schools they had, there's a term that you can use, I can't remember the name of it, but it had to do with one of these schools they told us. Darrell Bock Deranged? Would that the word be? Mike LaRose No. It had to do with isolating the furries within an institution and then apparently some school put them all in some one group and said, yeah, you guys can have your own club and your own room and they found out who all the furries really were. Then they just kicked them out of the school. Come to the club kids. Hmm. It was almost like one of those scams where they find the criminals and they can't get him to show up for anything. Yeah, they give you yeah, like Like Dateline NBC one of those scams Yeah, here's you you just won the lottery just meet us here on you know, you can collect your money. Yeah Where where a white rose?

33:10 So, anyway, the furries. So I didn't know anything about the furries until I, because I just thought these guys were just dressing up as a beautiful person. I didn't know they existed for real. I thought it was just a second life kind of, you know, sexual fantasy thing, that's for sure. But I didn't know that they actually existed in real life. That makes sense, I guess. Yeah. You know, when I first saw the loft, which has, gosh, these ceilings must be Could it be like 18 feet, maybe even more, the ceiling height? Does that sound about right? 18 feet is pretty common. Yeah, and it has exposed pipes and stuff. What is the first thing when you're standing, as a guy, the first thing you think, and guys I want you to listen, and maybe some gals out there too, for the four that are listening to this show.

33:10 So, anyway, the furries. So I didn't know anything about the furries until I, because I just thought these guys were just dressing up as a beautiful person. I didn't know they existed for real. I thought it was just a second life kind of, you know, sexual fantasy thing, that's for sure. But I didn't know that they actually existed in real life. That makes sense, I guess. Yeah. You know, when I first saw the loft, which has, gosh, these ceilings must be Could it be like 18 feet, maybe even more, the ceiling height? Does that sound about right? 18 feet is pretty common. Yeah, and it has exposed pipes and stuff. What is the first thing when you're standing, as a guy, the first thing you think, and guys I want you to listen, and maybe some gals out there too, for the four that are listening to this show.

33:54 When you have this, you know, and a loft by the way by itself by definition has something sexual to it. I'm not quite sure what it is, but it's a sexy type of thing. And I've never lived in a loft and I've never even thought I would enjoy the idea and I'm kind of getting into it. And when you have an 18-foot ceiling and you see these pipes that are exposed, what is the first thing as a guy you think of? When I look at a tall ceiling and the pipes exposed? Yeah, I mean, because you're thinking, hmm, what could I hang from? Who's going to dust that? Well, no, that's you. Now go into guy mode. What would you think of hanging from those pipes?

34:35 Uh, hookers. No, a sex swing. A sex swing. I've always wondered who has one of those sex swings. I'm like, yeah. Or you can put one in your loft and we can show them. Exactly. We'll take a photo. Now I know. It's for loft people. It's probably going to break the pipe. I'm going to get one just to see what it looks like. What, a sex swing? Yeah. I've always wondered. You can probably get them on the net. Yeah, of course you can get them on the net. They used to be in the back of the magazines. Of course you can. I'm sorry. I have the bandwidth to go look up sex swings. High quality sex swings. You can get a sex swing at healthyandactive.com for $69. Well, of course, 69 dollars. That makes so much sense. Oh, that's right, 69 bucks. I get it. Mm-hmm.

35:28 Here's a bungee sex swing. Send me the links, dude. Send me the links. You go flying out the window. That's an up and down sex swing instead of a back and forth sex swing. That's interesting. Well, this is, I think that when there's a guy here, this is sex swings highlighted on the website Ken's Twisted Mind. Dot com. Dot com. I'm sorry I started this, I gotta get you out of it quick. John, surely you are familiar with Zyprexa? No, I'm not familiar with Zyprexa. You're not? Oh, I've heard about that for a long time. It's an anti-dementia drug. An anti-dimension drug? Dementia. I think an anti-dimension drug. Dementia, I should say. Dementia. Okay. Thank you. How do you spell it?

36:31 Zyprexa or dementia? This I've seen, it's advertised on television. This is the one that has so many side effects that as soon as you take the pill you might as well shoot yourself. Well you might as well because Eli Lilly and Co. urged doctors to prescribe Zyprexa for elderly patients with dementia. even though the drug maker at the time had evidence the medicine did not work for such patients. I just love it when these guys do this crap. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Take it anyway. Take it anyway. What the hell? The official Zyprexa site, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia can be treated with Zyprexa.

37:11 The word bipolar, who made that shit up? That's not an actual medical condition is it? That's just like a marketing term. Please tell me. No, it's manic-depressive. It used to be called manic-depressive. They changed the term to bipolar about 15 years ago. Case in point, bipolar is a marketing term. If you've ever known any bipolar people, you know that it's a real illness. Manic-depression, is that a chemical? I understand manic-depression. What is the difference between depression and manic-depression? That means you're a maniac? No, it means you go, but you flip back and forth. You're depressed, and then you go crazy high energy and you really, you know, knock yourself out and you're happy as a clam. Then you go back to depression. It's like a huge mood swings that are...

37:57 You know, everybody has mood swings. But these are so massive that they go way off of one side and then way down in the other, just near suicidal and it can happen like every day. And does it really have to be near suicidal for it to be actual bipolarism? I don't know. I like bipolar. Bipolar is a much better description of what it is, but it's still a marketing term. I don't care what you say. You run into these people and it's like, wow, they flip. It just doesn't make any sense. Is it a chemical imbalance? If it's a disease then there's some explanation for it. No, I think it's a chemical imbalance. That's why I think that drugs usually help people. A lot of people just take lithium. That seems to stop a lot of it. Is that the same type of stuff that's in batteries? It's the same element of the periodic table if that's what you're wondering. But I wouldn't think sucking on a battery is going to do you much good. Oh damn.

38:58 But no, there's a lot of areas of the country, there's a lot of natural lithium. It's just like fluoridation. The natural lithium in the water, they've found that there's a low rate of mental illness in some of these places. And so then they started working with lithium. It turns out that lithium stabilizes a lot of people that would otherwise be crazy. Well anyway, regulators required Eli Lilly and other anti-psychotic drug makers in 2005 to warn that the products posed an increased risk to elderly patients with dementia. Great reason to prescribe it. And this document, which you can find of course link in the show notes, shows the health dangers in marketing a drug for an unapproved use, which is called the off-label promotion.

39:40 By definition, off-label means pay attention people, there is no clear evidence that the benefits of a drug outweigh the risks and off-label promotion I guess is illegal. Yeah, that's where they go out and the sales guys pull that crap. Right. In fact, I'm looking at the Zyprexa site here which is the obviously owned by the drug company Eli Lilly. What a fine name. Doesn't it sound kind of like happy and purple? Lily, we make life. There's a big box text here. It says elderly people with psychosis related to dementia, a brain disorder that lessens the ability to remember, think and reason, are at increased risk of death when taking certain mental illness or mental health medicines such as Zyprexa, compared with a sugar pill.

40:33 Zyprexa is not approved for these patients. That's in box text. Zyprexa does 4.7 billion dollars in sales. It was their best drug. Antipsychotics as a group in the United States, 14.6 billion dollar industry. We got a lot of fucked up people. Yeah, well they're probably more fucked up from the drugs Please I've seen it happen man. That's Ritalin that shit They give to kids which parents just like pop pop that in their kids mouths like it's like M&Ms Man, that stuff is so destructive. It's so bad Give your kids some chamomile tea and tie him down to the chair with a belt We've been following watch boobah From their sex swing

41:26 We've been following Baxter International, which of course is a specialty drug maker indirectly owned by the US government. We've discussed that on this show before. They're a part of a larger company which exclusively has governmental contracts. This is the company that accidentally bypassed biohazard level 3 security and somehow was able to mix up regular old seasonal flu vaccine with the bird flu and distributed it to their 18 European countries and apparently it never got into the doctor's office but who the hell knows.

42:09 They are of course at this moment in time in full production of the swine flu vaccine They say hey, we're in full full-scale production of a swine flu Which by the way in Europe is called the Mexican flu. I want to make that very clear They do not call it if you say swine flu in in Europe people go, huh? What are you talking about Mexican flu? Oh, oh, I understand what you're talking about and it will be commercially available in July and The company made its announcement Friday, one day after the World Health Organization declared swine flu a global pandemic. Oops, missed that one. They raised it to level 35, whatever it is now. Vaxxer said its patented technology cuts in half the usual time it takes to develop a vaccine to about 13 weeks instead of 26. Yes, because they obviously do a sloppy job.

42:59 One thing worth pointing out that specialty drug maker Baxter International, it's headquartered in Illinois. Yeah, I think you did that before. I just have to keep pointing it out. The center of the global mafia that runs our country. Yeah. UFOs exist. I believe in them. So, I'm watching it with C-SPAN or CNN or Charlie Rose or I don't know who. It's just one of these shows where you're talking to people.

43:39 All right. So they had this woman on the head of the World Health Organization, Margaret Chan. Did she have her uniform on? She's from China and she seems like a dimwit. Did she have a uniform on? No, she didn't. She was just wearing, you know, a man's blazer. And HEMA underwear. Sure, she just seemed, you know, I don't know if anybody watched the older versions of Mad TV, but she reminded me a little bit of miss Swan I don't recall if anyone out there who know you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, but she just seems like a dummy I mean, I just thought why is this woman running things and she's going on with all these excuses and you know Maybe maybe she's a genius, but she doesn't speak very good English, but sounds like she's done sounds like actually she speaks good English and it's just not bright, but I was not pressed and

44:32 Okay, and was there any new information? Or was this... She's just going on and on about how people don't understand what a pandemic is. Oh yeah, this is their whole kind of backpedaling thing. This is the new meme. The new meme is that, no, pandemics exist in every country in the world, thus it's a pandemic, so let's all panic and run around. in a circle with their arms waving in the air screaming. and it's the nvm we have a pandemic it's like yet well did she did he did one thing in this interview that i did tried to get a clip of it i don't know why didn't but uh... maybe shana but it was you were the commencement doing c cars c dial we must help obama uh...

45:32 She made mention that there was a fear, and she just said this subtly, but it was like, she's worried, the worry is the following. Yeah, okay, this thing is not a big deal, nobody's really dropping like flies, we don't really know what happened in Mexico, they killed those 15 in the one place, it could have been something else. She says the problem is, and I think there may be some, but it was of course whoever was interviewing her didn't do any follow up. She says- Because it's a talk show. She says they're right. Why should they be talking? So she says that we don't want to have the problem is h1n5 or h5 n1 that the bird flew and This thing h1n1 are both floating around at the same time and what we don't want is these two to bump into each other Yeah, and create, you know something that we really have a problem with well Just you don't have to worry about that because Baxter does it for you? Oh

46:26 Isn't that what they're hired to do? Don't worry about it, Baxter's doing it already. Baxter's on the case. Why worry? It's already taken care of. Can you imagine, what kind of meetings would you have if you're a corporate guy? You're in the board and you say, look, our vaccine sales are up this year but what can we do? We need to double that. How exactly do we sell more? How do we move the needle on our stock people? That's how it goes. Come on people, I'm the CEO of Baxter International. How do we move the needle on our stock? Come on, everyone's got options, we got to get this thing moving. Our options are about to vest so what can we do here?

47:13 I don't think they actually have those meetings, but it's in the DNA of the company. for sure you know there's a lot of that day dna related decision-making which i agree i mean sometimes they might have a meeting like that but it seems unlikely because any someone write a memo down you'd be in jail but generally speaking it's like when people say well you know you uh... you work for a news organization that's owned by nbc which is owned by general electric i can we don't do any stories about the uh... the two riots failure of a jet engine is made by general electric in your honor on the news Well, we haven't really found such a thing. Has anyone ever told you not to do a negative story on General Electric? No, absolutely not. No one has ever, ever, ever said not to do a negative story on General Electric, which I believe would be the truth. But nobody working in their right mind would do it. And that brings me to an email from Chris Clark.

48:09 Just following up on the last NO agenda, we were talking about Taylor Swift and what were the connections for Taylor Swift, the fine country and western artist who noodles around and is ergo a musical genius. Wow, wow, wow, wow. So here's the connection. I'll just read his email. He's from Orlando and of course we could have figured this one out. Taylor Swift's quote music, I like that nice little editorial there, Chris, is being distributed by Universal Music Group which is owned by Vivendi. Vivendi sold some or all of Universal Studios to NBC a few years ago and of course NBC aired the interview of the genius Taylor Swift. Bingo.

48:52 Yeah, that's how it works. That's how it works. Yeah, it's one big scam Yeah, but but they don't even know they're doing it which is just the crazy thing You know, I when I was at MTV man and Viacom it was so obvious how this stuff worked You know and and people just be like, you know, yeah, this artist is really cool. Oh, yeah. Awesome. I and you know, and they'll be talking to their buddies over at the other channels. It flows. You become part of an organism, a compartmentalized organism, and it just happens. And it's not even necessarily big evil. Well I wonder how many people really notice this because I know my kids do. For example... Well your kids seek Heil at commencement. I mean clearly they're not the norm.

49:40 The point is that when we're watching CBS, it's kind of funny if you're sitting around, if everybody's watching 60 Minutes, which is rare because most people don't like the show except me. There'll be a news story, hard news story, then there'll be some fluff piece about some singer or an actor. actor or and the kids always go on the other by a car movie yeah 10 bucks it's by a couple of get up on the net of course now it's like it but it's like why 60 minutes you know what the I just baffling yes it's 60 minutes with which does huge world events, talks to world leaders and then all of a sudden they come up with a big fluff piece. And they make those pieces months in advance sometimes, John. It's just on the shelf. Don't forget in the traditional broadcast medium you have to make, let me think, 60 minutes! Without commercials of course, 46. But you have to make 46 minutes of programming every single week and you need some pad as they call it. I think it's down to 40, isn't it?

50:43 You could be right, you could be right the way I'm seeing the television these days. I think it's 40 minutes an hour now. So you need padding, you know, and that pad comes in the form of a two-minute piece, a four-minute piece or a six-minute piece that can be chopped down to a three-minute piece, you know, and then of course the credits are really the final measure I love the way you pronounce that. And depending on how much time is left, they will speed up the credits or slow them down to hit their 60 minutes exactly, including all the commercials. That's how it works, because you've got to hit the commercial pod right on the dot.

51:22 People don't realize this, you know, you know when sometimes you see a show and the credits go by like It's so fast that on your on your On your LCD screen. It's actually completely unreadable They do that because they're trying to cram in all the credits into the exact amount of time they have left Yeah, no, the credit roll is used as a kind of a buffer. A bumper. Yeah, a buffer, bumper, pad. Or a buffer that you got. Then when you see a slow credit roll, which is the one that always cracks me up, and they start showing credits for people they never show, they have all these extra names they put on it, and I like to thank my mother. And you go, oh my God, somebody screwed up. Because when you have a slow credit roll, then you know that the show ended too soon. Somebody had a missed timing or something.

52:06 yeah and the simpsons do it kind of on both ends of the show that at the beginning of the show they have variations of their of their opening cartoon words were homers driving home from work after leaving the uh... the the the new complaint and it sometimes a compressed at least sections of it and they use that the buffer the show to the cuz i really have started yet ever real short version that's almost like he's just pretty much gets out of work and at home i will say it is so impressive when you see how uh... the big broadcast personalities I when the MSNBC launched and They were over in New Jersey. This was with my previous company. Oh actually was before think it was on ramp and Microsoft who of course were you know, one of the the partners with NBC they they needed a chat and

52:58 to go along with some of their programming and I can't remember exactly how but actually it was Denise, what was her name? Who was a Microsoft woman? I'm sure you know her. Caruso I want to say? Does that make sense? Denise Caruso? She was a journalist. No, not Denise. It was Denise something or other and she was in charge of, at the time it was Microsoft Comic Chat. Do you remember that? we have a little avatar right is another thing that failed of course they never stick to these things is what problem they couldn't scale this was the problem so that they couldn't scale it and the the team within microsoft was really worried and they but they wanted some form of chat and we had a bunch of these uh... hacker boys like uh... with names like rat boy and uh... i forget uh... alan louis was one not that that's a cool name but i just remember these guys and they had basically

53:50 together a very very very basic very freaking simple CGI script into an IRC you know proven technology right go figure and so we had this really robust chat based on IRC which I to this day obviously still can't figure out and so they hired us to implement this and because of that we were invited to the opening and you'll recall perhaps that the big interview they had on opening day was Tom Brokaw, Tom Brokajaw, Tom Brokajaw interviewing President Bill Clinton and I sat in the control room and I was blown away by the professionalism of this guy so he's got his earpiece in

54:36 And he's talking, he's having a conversation and I believe he is listening to what the then president was saying. And so they're having a dialogue and the producer is continuously talking into his ear and giving him cues and then it's like, okay Tom, we have 30 seconds to commercial. While Brokaw is talking and And he's counting down the seconds and Brokaw fires off another question which he knows is only going to get a quick yes or no answer and he pulls back away from the president and hits the commercial break right on the nose. And I still get goosebumps when I think about that actual sequence. It is unfreaking real how good these guys are.

55:19 You know, I do a lot, once in a while I have one of these remote crews from one of the big networks come by the house or something to shoot me for some two second thing, you know, a blurb. And I'm always grilling them about people they worked with and at one time I was working with the ABC network crew on, they used to have a thing called Sunday Business and I got to do a report on it. And so I was chatting with the guys and I know about these kinds of guys who have the multitasking ability to listen to the IFB in their ear and make it look... And by the way, I can do some of that but not like Brokaw. Well, of course not. That's why Brokaw is making millions of dollars. But they always said that the guy who was the absolute best at this stuff and totally underrated was Forrest Sawyer.

56:00 Really? Yeah, the guy says that apparently Forrest Sawyer is legendary amongst various crews for being so slick. He never flubs a line, he can pick up the stuff off the IFB, his timing is impeccable. He's just apparently just astonishing. He went off and I've always wondered why he never took over the nightline job or stuff like that. I don't know what he means. I know why, because he's like a flying goalie. You need a guy like that within your team to be able to throw into any kind of situation, particularly if he has that IFB, internal feedback I think is what it stands for.

56:38 When we did Mardi Gras live at MTV, that's when I kind of became the Forrest Sawyer of MTV. Damn it, there it is. I am the Forrest Sawyer of MTV. Because I could do that too within the limits of you know the complexity of Mardi Gras on MTV But I you know I could take the direction and I and I could pretty much Keep all the shit together on a live remote where you might actually have to go over someone else and kind of anchor that so Makes total sense to me that Forrest Sawyer would would not have a full-time position But you know would be kind of the guy you can put into any throw into anything because he just and he probably just loves doing it, too

57:17 Well I don't know how much he loved it because it seems to me that he quit the network and he went off to some university to teach and give seminars. Now he does new media stuff. He's out of his element completely. I'm actually following his career so much but I ran into him on some C-SPAN thing where he was hosting one of these panels of of dullards that sit at the table all in a row and each one of them says a five-minute presentation and they go back and forth with a non-interesting conversation kind of thing. Well it's probably because he had to do a Zyprexa story and he got so disgusted by everything he just quit.

57:53 I don't know. It'd be worth checking out. I know he's floating around somewhere, but anyway, he was like the guy that'd bring up his name. I went, okay. So I started watching him after that with that in mind and I just see if he could, you know, if there was ever going to be one mistake. It was just like a machine. You said something very interesting, by the way, at the beginning of this little dialogue about IFBs and Forrest. You used the term blurb, which I like very much and I think we should bring back. My mom used to say that all the time, a blurb. I don't think it's a very... It's in massive use in the magazine business. Yeah, exactly. Which means no one uses it because no one reads magazines or books anymore. In the back of the book, every one of those little quotes that says, I think this book is the greatest thing ever, so and so Entertainment Weekly. That's a blurb. Could you please look up the definition online right now for me of blurb? I wonder if it is defined as such in Webster's.

57:53 I don't know. It'd be worth checking out. I know he's floating around somewhere, but anyway, he was like the guy that'd bring up his name. I went, okay. So I started watching him after that with that in mind and I just see if he could, you know, if there was ever going to be one mistake. It was just like a machine. You said something very interesting, by the way, at the beginning of this little dialogue about IFBs and Forrest. You used the term blurb, which I like very much and I think we should bring back. My mom used to say that all the time, a blurb. I don't think it's a very... It's in massive use in the magazine business. Yeah, exactly. Which means no one uses it because no one reads magazines or books anymore. In the back of the book, every one of those little quotes that says, I think this book is the greatest thing ever, so and so Entertainment Weekly. That's a blurb. Could you please look up the definition online right now for me of blurb? I wonder if it is defined as such in Webster's.

58:49 Blurb and by the way, this is probably a fine time as we near the end of this episode of no agenda to To talk about why we need your help to continue this fine programming. Yes, and and like Blurb is not defined. What's what it's looking like. Let me try it again. Oh Blurb search. We need your financial help so that we can look things up for you. Yeah, we can look stuff up on the internet. Yeah, pay us for it. The blurb was actually a 1914 coinage by Gillette Burgess and it means a short publicity notice as on a book jacket. Okay, but it's keyword publicity. So it's a blurb is not news, it's PR.

59:42 by definition yes well I like it I I think we should bring blur back into the mainstream which of course is the internet let's use that all right we'll blurb it excellent and by the way it can be used as a noun or a transitive verb I love it so you can blurb it and what's the transitive noun what is that it's an it's a type of it's a it's a It's not a transitive noun, it's a transitive verb. I'm sorry. Or noun. A blurb is the thing and it's just basically a... It's a thing you can do. You can verb. It's like any other... it's like most verbs. It's interesting. Almost all of them are transitive. But it's... okay. It's interesting how you just said we can blurb it. That's so close to blog it, isn't it? Blog would be a transitive verb in that sense. Right.

1:00:39 Alright, so could you please blurb a little bit about our armory? Well we can use some... this show is publicly supported, I want to remind everybody of that and we're trying to keep it that way so we don't sit here and do five minute commercials for various products. Like Squarespace and GoDaddy. and by the same old stuff you hear every place else and it's like which is there's nothing wrong with doing that if you don't mind and some people actually sent us notes saying well you know you might as well do commercials so we're sick of you asking for money we only ask for money for about 30 seconds as opposed to two or three minute commercials where we're asking you to do this and that and the other thing which is pretty much the same thing I'm just telling you just give us some money directly so we can not worry about you know we might have influences and not you know we'd so we can be completely zero zero

1:01:28 I mean at some point, okay, maybe we won't be able to, we're going to prove that we won't get enough public support, we won't get enough donations at Dvorak.org slash NA. That's Dvorak.org slash NA. You can sign up. But we haven't done any premiums or anything like that, which some people complain about, but I think we're going to probably have to do that. In other words, give away a book or something when we get in. Or HEMA underwear. The HEMA underwear. By the way, DeVore.org slash NA by the way. The HEMA underwear thing, I was thinking about the embroidery. Uh, you know, I think it might not be a good idea. Oh? Well, you don't want a bunch of knots and strings and threads and... Rubbing against you. Rubbing against your private parts.

1:02:14 I know I was just trying to visualize if I wanted that or not. You know, you're gonna have a, you know, you'll be sore. Maybe on the waistband? I mean, we've got a... the waistband won't hurt you, will it? Yeah, but the waistband, the really good ones, is really kind of thin. It's not like a big fat waistband, like, you know, cheap jockey shorts. Okay, well, I have a prototype coming. So we can try the prototype. We can try the prototype. You get the black jockey version and I get the cool kind of surfer dude with pant legs. And we'll try it. We'll see if we like it. I don't think it's going to bother you at all, the embroidery. I take your point. But a premium is a premium. Let's learn from MTV, okay? I mean, Christ, cripes.

1:03:01 Crikey, how about just a blurb? We'll put a blurb on the Hema underwear blurb. So I just crashed my Firefox did you guys update 3.5 million which of course automatically downloads and kills everything you're doing and you never can figure it out until you get that dialogue box saying hey we downloaded this for you sucka and I have no idea, I might have. It's quite annoying, I hate it when they do that. So it crashed? Yeah, and it said you want me to send a message. No, don't, don't click it. What's the point? We didn't have any good donations since last Thursday? Anything worth mentioning? Nothing major, and the ones that did come in I'll mention them on the next Thursday show. Well thanks everybody, we really appreciate it.

1:03:52 all right john what we have to uh... i've got a count sixty five take off the beginning about sixty one minutes so uh... we've been trying to tell us that there's just a couple more things i want to mention arms are just up the uh... the the credit music alone all mentioned in the national interest in the meetings and then okay i'm a talk about this and pbs programming including kids biz or biz kids whoever told me yes when they show a jewish guy in a money safe counting money I will discuss that next. That's extremely offensive. It's extremely offensive and it's on PBS of all things, unbelievable. Oh yeah. And also, now if you wash your car in Port Angeles on the street, you can be fined $1,000 because the federal government will not let you wash your car anymore if it's going to go into the sewer. And that is in the state of Cascadia.

1:04:43 Yes, but this is and they always say no no no it's the government edict. The government wants the water rights. They want to make it clear you can't use the water. Well they own the water remember? They passed the bill. The government owns all the water. It's their water. It's not your water to expend however you wish. It's their water. So we'll talk about that next time. And next time we'll come very soon. Until then, coming to you from the crappiest bandwidth corporate apartment in San Francisco, Gitmo Nation West, my name is Adam Curry. and sitting on fiber up here in the Pacific Northwest, Gitmo Nation Pacific Northwest as it were, I'm Jeff on Cedar Vorak. We'll talk again on Thursday right here on NO Agenda.