Episode 1039 · Monday, 4 June 2018

Bot Cops

Network executives scrap a ratings powerhouse over social media fallout while a massive European payment failure exposes the fragile reality of a cashless future.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 1039

About this episode

ABC canceled the top-rated Roseanne revival after star Roseanne Barr directed a racist tweet toward former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett, prompting a swift corporate response from Disney CEO Bob Iger. While Sanofi, the manufacturer of Ambien, publicly rebutted Barr’s claims that the sedative caused her behavior, the fallout left hundreds of production crew members unemployed. The move highlights a growing divide in Hollywood standards as media figures like Samantha Bee and Joy Reid retain their positions despite their own recent public controversies.

In the tech sector, Facebook faces a shareholder revolt as investors attempt to strip Mark Zuckerberg of absolute control through a proposed one-share-one-vote policy. Meanwhile, a massive Visa payment network outage across Europe and the UK served as a dire warning against the transition toward a cashless society, leaving consumers unable to purchase food or medicine. In California, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings is reportedly funding sophisticated attack ads against gubernatorial candidate Gavin Newsom, while new state legislation aims to force the labeling of social media bots and regulate the Internet of Things.

Adam Curry returns from a Mexican vacation to address a successful elopement prank orchestrated by John C. Dvorak that fooled military producers and listeners alike. The hosts explore the demographic shift in East Austin where dogs now outnumber children and offer a life-saving tip to wear white at night to prevent pedestrian accidents. Baronet Horatio of Arabia provides a dispatch on the 48-degree heat in Saudi Arabia as the No Agenda Transcript Project launches new AI-search capabilities.


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CHAPTER 01 / 60 Discussion

Steve Martin and Celine Dion, Louie Louie Cover Versions

The hosts open the program discussing a collection of cover versions of the song Louie Louie, including a 1965 version by the Sonics. They briefly critique a Netflix special featuring Steve Martin and Martin Short, describing the performance as two separate acts that occasionally intersect.

steve martin· celine dion· the sonics· louie louie· netflix

00:00 Oh, wow. Write these things down John! Running on fumes but ready to rock and broadcasting live from the capital of drone star state here in downtown Austin, Tejas In the Cluedio. In The Morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where i am proud to announce that I've added to my collection every version of Louie Louie ever recorded. I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! IN THE MORNING! Wooo back in the saddle But a rough morning

00:43 I've added, since you didn't care to ask the 1965 version of Louis Louis by the Sonics. It's a Tacoma based Garage band proto-punk group. I'm so happy this will really complete your collage Oh no, no, I still have yet to get the C... uh, Dion Saline's version Celine Dion? Is that what you're saying? Celine Dion! Saline Dion yes And also there is apparently a version by Steve Martin I haven't heard Hey did you see that Steve Martin short? Yes I did That was pretty good It was okay

CHAPTER 02 / 60 Discussion

United Airlines Delays and iPhone Location Privacy Settings

Travel delays on United Airlines resulted in a late arrival, compounded by a technical issue with an iPhone. Because location services were disabled for privacy reasons, the device failed to update its internal clock automatically, leading to a missed wake-up time and reduced preparation window for the broadcast.

united airlines· iphone· location services· privacy settings· travel delays

01:21 It's kind of like two guys on stage. Yeah, we're really working together that much making a lot of money Thank You Netflix You know how that meeting went hey? We want you guys on stage here's millions of dollars Okay, let's just do our separate acts and kinda bump into each other so We got in late last night due to thank you United Airlines messing it up as usual I And I had a little problem this morning as we were pretty much OTG for the week which means you know the The iPhone is has been off and certainly all the location services everything was turned off, and I've discovered that unlike the old feature phones your time does not update if you have the Location services turned off in your privacy settings

02:13 Meaning I woke up an hour later and didn't realize it until like 830 Which only get which really cut into my prep time Do you ever think of using like a plug-in alarm clock or something that winds up? It has a big dial on it. You were Bella in the top. I have now definitely And to add insult to injury we had no, we only had decaf In the house that was rough. Why did you have decaf at all? Uh, you know that's like you have it if someone asked for it and its way in the back of the pantry because I give them a lecture about the residue hexane that may be in decaf. Well so not only am I not woke, im probably poisoned

CHAPTER 03 / 60 Discussion

Hexane Extraction Risks in Decaf Coffee and Olive Oil

A discussion on the lack of caffeinated coffee leads to an explanation of hexane extraction in food processing. Hexane is a volatile liquid used to remove caffeine from coffee and extract oil from olives; consumers are advised to seek expeller-pressed or crushed oils for salad dressings to avoid residual chemicals.

hexane· decaf coffee· olive oil· expeller pressed· food safety

02:56 Yeah, exactly. What is that hexane stuff? What is that? Well how do you get the caffeine out of the coffee there's two ways. Oh okay One is hexane extraction I believe they use hexane and I don't believe for a minute it does not residual hexane in the leftover coffee what is hexane doesn't sound healthy Hexane is a gas actually liquid very highly volatile liquid that can be used to flash off certain things. It's done, it is used to extract oil most if you don't buy your olive oil and these other things expeller nor more compressed or

03:33 or Expeller extracted, they use hexane a lot of times to give you this cheap oil. So you can clean your dentures with it? Well I would say the hexane...I don't know but if you cook with these oils it's fine the hexane gets flashed off in the pan but if you use it for salad dressing should never use it only use an Expeller or a crushed pressed oil oil for salad dressing because you know what more life-saving tips from your no agenda show right here ladies and gentlemen, and then of course You know I haven't touched the production machine for a week And it says yeah okay. We're really tired of waiting for you This just doesn't there's no more way out machines have they have they expect some attention Yeah There's no way out curry this time for your update and this was a big one

CHAPTER 04 / 60 Discussion

Adam Curry's Vacation and John C. Dvorak's Elopement Prank

Adam Curry returns from a week-long vacation and commends John C. Dvorak for a successful long-form prank regarding an alleged elopement. Dvorak had suggested in a newsletter and on-air that Curry was heading to Las Vegas to be married by an Elvis impersonator, a claim that prompted numerous congratulatory messages from listeners and military producers.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· vegas· elvis· newsletter

04:26 It took a good hour and half. That's too long for an update, that makes no sense I have no idea how these updates...I'm assuming they have to patch a lot of things within the OS And make sure the OS keeps running so there is like huge pieces of code that has to be wholesale pulled out and new stuff dropped in and then reattached Yeah, something like that. But forget all that I want to give you John Charles Dvorak a slow and well-deserved clap Very very very you played the longest gambit game ever played on this show yeah And I didn't catch it at first in fact. I thought you were just being a really nice guy not that you weren't but

05:23 Tina and I both noticed on the previous show, the previous live show 1037 that you said something and we were both kind of touched by it in a way. I have a clip So i got corrected by one of our producers who was snotty And says that now he says Fisker did the first they never used any fisker ideas at Tesla They use this Hans character who's still there and was designer? And I've been looking into it And I haven't made, I have to now do an interview with Fisker to find out what the story is. They did part company before the S came out Do you think you can do that before Thursday since we know? Wishful thinking! We're doing a best of on Thursday.

06:13 The thing is that Adam has to do something on Thursday, and we have one Ramsey Cain best of left. So when both Tina and I heard that and we talked about it, it was nice you know? It's like not Adam going on vacation! He was like oh yeah Adams got to do something this wasn't any your business just leave it as be And I had to go back and listen to the clip, but then I heard your brain working because I know how you are a little bit now after decade. You had this whole elopement in Vegas plan from the get-go didn't you? You had the newsletter in your head...I mean total genius! Copped to it. A lot of these things just come naturally. Talent do you mean? Yes, of course

07:07 It was so good. And I'll tell you a little bit about what we did, and we're on vacation all of the sudden we get all these messages like oh my gosh congratulations that's so great your eloping and then the newsletter comes out with Elvis pictures like wow! This is why you donate to see this genius it was very very...I even got note from one of our AFG producers The AFG is a mill speak for Afghanistan and he said, ah I know how this works. You're on your way over here you didn't want anyone to know you were traveling i can't wait to see ya like oh shit good idea and when we go to Afghanistan I'm sure we probably won't announce it loudly up front but yeah that's not what's happening so just take about there for a second John that was really good thank you that was very very good that mean that that is the longest you've ever done anything

08:04 that were the longest time period? Well, it wasn't like... I don't know. It wasn't as premeditated as you might imagine but it was an obvious thing to suggest because in fact if you had...I actually believed there was a possibility. I wasn't insincere because I know you're like, let's go to Vegas and get married by Elvis! Yeah, I can see but this this girl's a little different. I think she deserves better than Vegas and Elvis in big I Think she might get a kick out of something like that No no no no But III do want to explain a little nothing you're selling her short there. No no no no no no no no? I do want to explain a little bit now is we realized that

CHAPTER 05 / 60 Discussion

Viceroy Hotel Cabo San Jose, Professional Influencer Observations

During a stay at the newly opened Viceroy Hotel in Cabo San Jose, Mexico, observations were made regarding the behavior of professional hotel reviewers and social media models. The "beta test" environment of the unfinished hotel highlighted a pervasive smartphone addiction among guests, characterized by constant "phone checks" and repetitive selfie-taking.

cabo san jose· viceroy hotel· mexico· influencers· smartphone addiction

09:00 That neither of us had had a you know on the beach do absolutely nothing Drink sit in the Sun vacation for 20 years. Anyhow, that's because you got like Divorces, you know there's all kinds of stuff that has gone on in our lives. Tons of travel and great things we've done and met people all over the world but it has always been like meetups or families or something going on. Always pretty much a show. We rarely take a show off when we travel And Tina, being the Chief Marketing Officer of the Ronald McDonald House Charities of Central Texas deals with a lot of central Texas. She works weekends you know they have all these donor events

09:41 Brian College Station is within their realm, so she travels there a lot and it's this shitty ass road to go back and forth. And so she's busy. She has all you know they don't always get to take holidays at the house because someone has to be the house manager So if you choose you can get Thanksgiving off but not Christmas Day and its all this stuff So this week came up, it was available for her. I'm like let's go and we found there was a new hotel and i'm not a fan of vacationing in Mexico for just a whole bunch of reasons you know one of them being that they seem to roofie people and kill them with their alcohol so yeah i'm not sure anyway there is a new hotel that opened up in Cabos San Jose which is kind of the quiet part of Cabo

10:29 and it's the Viceroy, and because they had just opened for a week but they weren't done with construction. They had these incredible deals like this is fantastic let's go here! And it was... there was no one there the only people really who were there were professional hotel reviewers you know walking around wearing high heels in business suits walking around the pool with a camera like gee I wonder what you're doing here? Maybe they were working for Yelp. You know, there's a guy, a douchebag with the drone doing aerial photography of the place and you know of course you also want to have great shots of the hotel so there was a photographer with models I'm doing air quotes models who are all addicted completely addicted models. Dude their phones!

11:24 I observed each one of them had the 45 second phone check no matter what they were doing sitting at the pool. So, I just want to mention that ever since you've mentioned this i've been looking around more and more yeah and yes women are walking around holding their phone all the time mm-hmm And then every four it's about forty five seconds They'll flip turn it over now It's much funnier when you're at a resort and you know and they're already kind of in Model mode. So they're doing selfies everywhere, they sit in the pool and twirl around and twirl a little to the left do the duck lips not this one like look check pinch zoom rotate nah delete new one I got more on that later

12:10 But so we're just enjoying this place. It was basically like a beta test and I'll give an example, the first night we had dinner and he said let's have two dirty martinis with three olives okay great then after five six minutes guy comes back Mr. Curry I very bad news to what? We can't find the key to the cabinet that has the olives. I'm like, okay this is gonna be fun! So we're just in the sun sitting drinking and because we were so decompressed there's a lot of things that i learned and came to mind maybe I just had some revelations which I'd like to share with you

CHAPTER 06 / 60 Discussion

Facebook Data Tracking and Spanish Language Spam in Mexico

Accessing Facebook via a mobile browser while in Mexico triggered an immediate influx of Spanish-language marketing emails, despite location services being disabled on the device. This event serves as a catalyst for a discussion on the toxic culture within the No Agenda Facebook group and the invasive nature of social media data sharing.

facebook· data tracking· location services· spam· social media toxicity

12:50 So, OTG. We didn't take stuff down to the beach of course when we came back around 3-4 in the afternoon catch up on a little bit of news they had satellite slash cable very strange schedule we had like Seattle television local stations but the news networks I don't know how their schedule worked but you get like you know, Rachel Maddow at midnight. I think i caught Morning Joe once at 6 a.m and pretty much all you would see is Stephanie Rule on MSNBC and she's very annoying! And then of course we maybe there was... We caught a Tucker, we watched a little bit of Don but then the Sochnitz and I check into the face bag

13:41 And the minute I hit... and, and I looked at Twitter. And I'd looked at No Agenda Social. And I mean just looking at news articles The minute I hit the face bag on my browser! I don't have the app on my phone anymore My browser BOOM Right away I started getting emails in Spanish So just, one afternoon they start coming in. Because you know the minute you go on Facebag they're like oh even though my location services are turned off which doesn't allow my clock to reset but it was enough to tell all of the affiliated companies who have my data through Facebag that I was in Mexico

14:19 And so I start getting, Bill Maher would call it spick and spam. So there's really nothing left for me to look on Facebag anymore except kind of the no agenda group and this place has become so toxic Mimi can back that up she was in there Mimi is always in the face bag group Are you still there John? You're still alive? No, I'm gone She actually said that she just dare keep tabs on you Well, she won't have to do that anymore because I'm sitting there thinking. Yeah, I really want to figure this out Why do these people do this in the no agenda group? Why did they it's just horrible things being said yeah and and a couple things came to mind what well It's it's irrelevant for the moment just for the moment

CHAPTER 07 / 60 Discussion

Social Network DNA, Orkut and Google Plus Failures

The evolution of social networks is analyzed through the concept of "digital DNA," suggesting that platforms develop cultures that are impossible for parent companies to change. Examples cited include Orkut's specific demographic shift in Brazil and the subsequent failures of Google Buzz and Google Plus to capture market share from established competitors.

orkut· google plus· myspace· social media· brazil

15:06 What hit me was social networks develop their own culture. They develop a being, kind of a DNA of their own and I think it's impossible to change it If you recall Orcut, Orcut was a Google project. They wanted to put together a social network I think they bought it actually No no! I believe they started it It could be they started but this is around the time of MySpace and MySpace was everyone Oh my space where you got to be and of course MySpace did go...it does happen these things do go away

15:43 And what happened with Orcut, O-R-K-U-T is that the DNA of that social network became transsexuals in Brazil. And no matter what they tried short of kicking them off they couldn't change what that social network was whatever became of it do you know? I think Google finally shut it down after a little, after some when they started Google Plus. Yeah yeah that's right. Or the Google Plus sign. Oh no no Buzz! Buzz! I think it was Buzz first remember that? Google Buzz No not, no but Buzz was not really a competitor It was but I know where they shut or cut down during the Google plus era

16:23 Another fine social network that didn't work because it's it's odd You can't really place your finger on it, and you can't really control it despite face back bad after ad I keep seeing the same at Facebook It was a place to find friends And then the fake news came in and got all scary and we're weird Facebook are going to make your life beautiful again Have you seen this ad? We didn't we played on the show how he might have we might have So, you know what? And I said, I would really like to figure out what's going on with these people. Why they're so mad about us and I said no you can't probably look the ad up under Facebook and we can play it is only 30 seconds a good add in terms of eye roller let me see face bag ad

CHAPTER 09 / 60 Discussion

Reddit Subreddit Interactions and Shadow Banning Experiences

An attempt to engage with critics on a No Agenda-themed subreddit resulted in technical frustrations regarding Reddit's moderation systems. The host describes being caught in a spam filter—effectively a "bozo filter"—and the subsequent demand from "supermods" for external verification via Twitter to prove his identity.

reddit· subreddit· shadow banning· moderators· verification

18:39 Maybe I can learn something there. Now, let me tell you about the Reddit... We have a subreddit or we don't there's a sub reddit on Reddit and... It is called The No Agenda Haters Yeah well not entirely and i do want to talk about my experience with it. No, no, it's called something else I'm sorry So there's a-holes there for sure and some people just mean and hateful but there's also clearly very smart people who are extremely angry about our show since Trump got elected. Yeah, they're a bunch of Hillary supporters Well I have...I have a theory

19:15 I've developed a little theory because... let me just tell you what happened. So first of all, I like the challenge of trying to figure out why someone is so incredibly pissed You know I do this we did it with no agenda forums which eventually blew up and it always blows up in the end Yeah, because it's not...it's unhealthy. Ah! You're getting to my point I'm gonna get there now I visualize Reddit itself as kind of like a greasy slimy slug With barbs sticking out of it you know if you want to look at it gotta be careful yeah So I poked it a little bit and lifted up its tail smell this butt and like oh This is that what but really reddit let's be honest It's just a shitty comment board

19:55 with like some simulated democracy. You've got mods, you've got supermods... You've got Reddit gold up-votes down votes but as a new user because I registered as AdamCurry2018 yeah just had no account um you know you post something and it shows up but oh no that's not how it works you have to understand with reddit its you enter form of shadow banning Because apparently I was caught in the spam filter so my posts were showing up for me like a bozo filter But not showing up for anybody else, so I gave up. Oh, I asked what? I didn't know people aren't responding. I'll screw you then I don't care

20:36 And then I get a note from a mod, Supermod. I don't know what's the difference between a mod and a supermod. Supermods are supervisors... supervising modifiers or moderators Something like that. Something like that. Um... In uh... Oh no you need to verify! See I have to verify? Everyone here is anonymous. You have to tweet me?! Like, I'm not gonna tweet you. I said hey how about this? Show 138 is 1 hour and 58 minutes and 30 seconds long and it hasn't aired yet no one knows the length so that's me now wasn't good enough anyway finally... Why?! I don't know! You know what... That's good enough? No it wasn't good enough So I followed the supermod I didn't put- I didn't tweet him I followed him he said ah you follow me okay believe it

CHAPTER 10 / 60 Discussion

Media Sentiment Shift and Listener Health Impacts

The hosts argue that while their show's format remains consistent, the media landscape has shifted 180 degrees from fawning over the previous administration to hostility toward President Trump. They posit that for some listeners, the stress of modern news cycles and the show's deconstruction of it may be negatively impacting their physical and mental health.

media bias· donald trump· audience health· political polarization· news coverage

21:27 And, you know what I had posted was like...I'm happy to answer a couple questions but unless you can tell me you've donated or supported us in the past and now your all turned off and angry at us. I am not going to engage with you. So it was all pissed off! Now as I reading through this and interacting it hit me so here's what changed in the past two years Not us, not us. The media changed we were reporting on a media that was fawning over the president up his butt loved him nothing could go wrong best thing ever We've always really reported on the media Now the media has flipped 180 degrees and hates the president's guts Yes it's two different guys but its still the President So this is what changed

22:21 Now, what I've come to recognize is that no agenda is very healthy for a lot of people. They tell us this they send us and this is the big reason why we do the show I think we could probably make a lot more money doing other projects doing other things but at my age and yours perhaps it's like you know hey people are doing something good apparently because they tell us so Yeah, but this is true for an a an amount of people which doesn't seem to be as large As the group that it actually helps them with their health. It has the exact opposite effect and is affecting their health Dramatically oh I believe that for I believe that there's no doubt about me But I hadn't considered that the same show could hurt people. That's a big universe needs balance

23:13 Right, but so the people who for whatever reason don't like The president or whatever their issue is I guess that's it They, you know we have... they say you've changed! If Melania, if Michelle Obama had tweeted out she hadn't been seen. You would have said she's getting her sex change operation like ah probably maybe but look at what the media is excoriating the first lady this time around so but we respond to the media that's what we've always done Suddenly, and I don't think this is... And the media changed. We didn't really There's nothing that we can do or will do quite honestly to make these people happy and I said please I really really hope Just get lost That's what I said. Well then I said I really hope you stop listening because this is really bad for your health You must stop listening Yes, I would agree with that

CHAPTER 11 / 60 Discussion

Marriage Proposal Plans and Texas Common-Law Marriage

Reflecting on a week spent without work distractions, a host discusses the decision to plan a formal marriage proposal. While the state of Texas recognizes the couple as common-law married, the host expresses a desire to create a significant event for his partner that surpasses the "Vegas Elvis" trope.

marriage proposal· texas· common-law marriage· relationship· vacation

24:10 So, by the way just back to your original premise of the elopement. One of the reasons I was very happy to be with The Keeper for a full week just 24-7 her and I together no distractions, no shows, no work, no donor events...I really wanted to figure out what I needed. I want to propose to her in a really fantastic way And it helped because I figured it out. So that's, that was part of the reason and I'm obviously not gonna tell you on the show but now I have my... Now I know what I'm gonna do. We're common-law married anyway according to the state of Texas. That was pretty close to accurate then. You almost nailed it! Yeah yeah and I'll be honest there was a consideration although he was not preplanned. It was considered not to go to Vegas

25:05 But you know, it's like oh yeah I'm gonna kneel in the sand in front of the moon. Like oh please! Oh God... I can do better than that! I can do better than that! I know I can do better! Yeah Elvis! No no! It's not going to be Elvis so um So that part is uh You got pretty close Anyway, I had a number of revelations It was very, very good for my brain. And I want to thank our dude named Ben Producers... it's worth mentioning how incredibly cool our system is just take this into consideration. I was thinking ah! I need to find the clip where John said Adam has something else to do on Thursday

CHAPTER 12 / 60 Discussion

No Agenda Transcript Project and Freedom Controller Tools

The hosts highlight the technological achievements of the "No Agenda Transcript Project," which uses AI to allow searchable access to past episodes. They also credit Dave Jones for the creation of the Freedom Controller, a specialized podcast production tool, and thank Ramsey Cain for producing "best-of" content during the vacation hiatus.

ai transcription· open source· dave jones· freedom controller· ramsey cain

25:53 So I know it's in episode 1037, but where we said that? I don't know. So I go to my buddy clog walk there and in Australia who's been working on the no agenda transcript project and he has output It's pretty you know, it's still not great because it's just not great You know AI hasn't gotten there yet And I think is using either Amazon or Google's transcription service But I was able to search for this and i found exactly where you said that. It looked like you said it there, and it had a link to the No Agenda player which is a complete different project from a complete different dude named Ben Click right into it...it comes out

26:35 I mean, this is mind-boggling to me that we have now connected these things with completely desperate projects all open source beautiful and also by the way big shout out to Dave Jones who created the Freedom Controller without a doubt The most awe inspiring podcast workflow production tool And I finally figured out how it will be useful for more people than just me He's been building this thing for seven years, like probably hoping yeah one day you know I'll make money off of this. Mm-hmm Yeah well maybe I have an idea and maybe the money will...I certainly know how more people be able to use it. Well that's yeah well he could use the money for doing all that work Yes! And most of all coming home last night I hadn't smoked weed in a week Boy this stuff is good for me because with them the minute i smoked a joint

27:29 Everything fell into place. I had all these things, this is actually when i really figured out what you had done so it's a magic flower and im all for it And thank you Ramsey Cain for collecting some of the great best-of no agenda bits and us being able to turn that into a best-of show For my big unplugged week And here we are. Now we're at episode 1039 and ready for a new show! All right, well that'll conclude today's show... Come on!

CHAPTER 13 / 60 Discussion

Roseanne Barr Twitter Controversy and ABC Show Cancellation

ABC canceled the top-rated "Roseanne" revival following a racist tweet by Roseanne Barr directed at former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett. Despite the show being the network's first number-one program in over two decades, executives at Disney and ABC determined the offensive content made the production untenable.

roseanne barr· abc· valerie jarrett· disney· show cancellation

28:09 So do you want me to tell you what happened while you were gone since we have no idea? I do know a few ideas. I know that women are angry at other women, they're calling each other the C-word this is apparently really important Roseanne did something racist okay blamed it on Ambien the funniest line of all of course when Sanofi tweeted to her saying yes racism is not one of the side effects which of course was the stupidest thing they could ever do because now everybody's talking about the actual side effects of Ambien. What an idiot! Sleepwalking, doing stuff like Roseanne did. Yeah and buying stuff on Amazon without you realizing it in the middle of night we've had lots of people tell us what a weird side effect

28:58 So how dumb are those guys? Like, geez. Get it together! Alright well let's talk a little bit about Roseanne because I think that...I have some thoughts on this Oh you think it's worth discussing really? Yeah and I'll tell you why because I think a lot of is being glossed over The real hatred of Trump Well just put it that way by ABC was born out And I want to mention something before they go on. Well, we really like to have the show. Let me buy up two clips and a lot of two clips. But let's start with this discussion that Roseanne, this was on TV. I believe this is on NewsHour and they're talking about some of the details. This was the first number one show ABC has had for over 20 years as racist. There's no mincing around what she said it was offensive in apparently

29:48 was something that people at Disney and ABC could not excuse in any way. But what's so shocking is this was the biggest show they had, they were just touting it at The Upfront weeks ago Could there have been any other path than the one they chose today in terms of cancelling their show? I think when you have the number one show on TV the internal conversation at some point has to involve someone saying to someone else, can we keep the number one show on TV? Apparently there was no way out for them as far as they could tell. But this is something that has been a huge bragging right for ABC. Roseanne introduced

30:25 Disney ABC executive Ben Sherwood at the company's upfront presentation two weeks ago. They bragged that this was the first time in 24 years that ABC had had the number one show on television, they bragged about ratings for the premiere which were something just otherworldly compared to what we see in broadcast these days. So you have to imagine that this was really the outcome of last resort for ABC. But could there have been any way for them to continue this show without Roseanne and keep a good thing going? Creatively, that probably would've been really difficult You would've had to gotten stars John Goodman and Sarah Gilbert as well as Laurie Metcalf and the rest of the cast to sign off on

CHAPTER 14 / 60 Discussion

Hollywood Peer Pressure and Tim Allen Comparison

The hosts suggest that ABC's decision to cancel "Roseanne" was driven by Hollywood peer pressure and a desire to distance the network from pro-Trump demographics. They compare the situation to the cancellation of Tim Allen's "Last Man Standing," arguing that political bias often outweighs shareholder interests and ratings in network decision-making.

tim allen· abc· disney· solo: a star wars story· political bias

31:07 Okay, I want to do a couple of things. I was thinking about this and you did they did have the number one show And it's rare for ABC to do that there are the number Traditionally the number three network even though their number two Nowadays because NBC is so bad connect Can I give you my quick two thoughts because it may tie in as all I have One yes please they did not want to deal with advertiser fallout possibly too They had a complete Disney, complete shit movie come out and I think that they probably were happy in a perverted way the distraction of this over hey your movie kind of failed for what you put into it. This is the Star Wars movie. Yes Solo

31:51 I think there's an element of that, but I think generally speaking ABC wanted to have nothing to do with this whole market. They don't like the Republicans they don't like the public that likes... Wow! And I believe... Wait a minute wait a minute they're buying Fox including Fox television, Fox News I believe Fox News is gonna be stuck with the Murdochs. Okay, but let me just finish it's a Hollywood thing you're going to Hollywood for why are you putting this Roseanne show on don't you know it's counterproductive? This is not helping what we're trying to do which is impeach Trump Why are you guys doing this and I believe that pure group pressure

32:35 Despite the fact that this is a number one show and it makes money for the shareholders, the peer group pressure forced them to do this. And the reason I say that is because of The Tim Allen Show which was overlooked in the discussion. Tim Allen had a profitable show on ABC And for no apparent reason, they took it off the air because it was again a Republican Trump oriented show. It was no different than Roseanne's audience. Right? So the hatred is so vast, so deep, so deeply ingrained in their DNA. These executives don't care about the shareholders, which they should. They only care about what the reaction is amongst their peers, which is the car, which is the Rob Reiner and I said Carl once by the way, Rob Reiner reaction, which is why are you doing this? Why are you putting a show like this on?

33:27 You know this guy Trump is a terrible person. He likes to grab pussies, you can't put a show like this on air get what? Can't you find a way to get this off the air but it's our number one show for the last 24 years we haven't had a number one show What difference does it make Is that all its about is just you want a number 1 show and so your gonna sacrifice your ideals Our democracy! Yeah, you're gonna ruin our democracy with this stupid show? And so off it goes! Because they had an out. Then the out was this and it would have worked... You want to keep this show on the air? You suspend Roseanne for six months without pay." Yeah that would have worked

34:09 It would have worked. Yeah, that would have but the hatred goes beyond that it goes beyond the shareholders and the money. Consider that this was their exit strategy they were getting grief by their fellow peers in Hollywood They were getting grief by everybody who works there In fact when you hear the long report which is on ABC where they discuss some of this The crew and staff except for John Goodman seemed to turn on Roseanne by tweeting very nasty things about her And the whole operation was a renegade group they didn't want. I think you're spot on with that, I have nothing to argue against it and even nuttier just one of the...I mean if it's really true

CHAPTER 15 / 60 Discussion

Ambien Side Effects and Sanofi Pharmaceutical Response

Roseanne Barr's claim that her controversial tweets were the result of taking Ambien prompted a public rebuttal from the drug's manufacturer, Sanofi, stating that racism is not a known side effect. The hosts review the actual clinical side effects of the sedative, including sleepwalking, memory loss, and "emotional blunting."

ambien· sanofi· side effects· roseanne barr· insomnia

34:53 The rumors that they're now trying to reboot the show around Sarah Gilbert. Are you insane? Do you know nothing about how television works? That's not gonna fly! No, it's not gonna fly but at least they can say they tried to do something instead of what they could have done which was put the show on hiatus and suspend Roseanne for six months. Oh, poor Rosanne because she's just one tweet I mean God but it's okay so they could have saved the show but they did not want to save this show and Sarah Gilbert is a anti-Trumper and should be just fine doing his show But let's listen to that long report This is too long you have to break it up here in there This is from ABC The network that did it

35:37 It's got a lot of nasty little stuff in there and this was the report that they gave us. We begin with the firestorm surrounding Roseanne Barr and her racist tweet, the comedian firing back on Twitter today blaming her words on Ambien. The maker of Ambien was not having it! And there were other tweets... The actress whose show has now been cancelled by ABC taking aim at some of our co-stars who called her words reprehensible Tonight, what the president is now tweeting in the wake of the Roseanne uproar and The White House was pressed on why in his own tweet. The President did not address what Roseanne said ABC's Matt Gutman leading us off again tonight

36:13 Fewer than 24 hours after Roseanne Barr's racist tweet that led to her show being cancelled. What's up deplorable? Comparing President Obama's former top aide to an ape, Roseanne was back on Twitter now blaming that tweet on a sleeping pill It was 2 in the morning and I was Ambien tweeting...I went too far Tonight The Maker of Ambien firing back While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect. Have we actually discussed the side effects of Ambien recently? Not recently but we have discussed them it's sleepwalking it's every imaginable horror It's more than that! I have it here

36:58 It is rapid heartbeat, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea loss of appetite impaired vision slow breathing rates muscle cramps allergic reactions memory loss inability to concentrate disorientation emotional blunting What is that? Emotional blunting Depression and or suicidal thoughts anxiety insomnia. That's interesting the side effect of ambient is insomnia Okay, great drug nightmares sedation confusion dizziness aggression addiction and withdrawal Which can be life-threatening? Yeah I'm not saying that this is I don't even know if she was on ambien but come on Ambien is not a good product

CHAPTER 16 / 60 Discussion

Bob Iger's Apology and White House Reaction to Roseanne

Disney CEO Bob Iger personally called Valerie Jarrett to apologize for Roseanne Barr's comments, a move the hosts characterize as "virtue signaling." President Trump responded by criticizing Iger for never apologizing for "horrible statements" made about the presidency on ABC, highlighting a perceived double standard in corporate accountability.

bob iger· valerie jarrett· donald trump· white house· media bias

37:40 It's not a product you want to take. But today, even after trying to blame Ambien... After my nighttime meds kick in I'm legally dead until 7am Roseanne then retweeting images of characters from Planet Of The Apes with Valerie Jarrett image next to them Tonight President Trump who celebrated Roseanne before Even look at Roseanne! I called her yesterday Look at her ratings! Look at her ratings! Has so far not condemned her her racist words. Instead the president tweeting about Disney CEO Bob Iger, head of ABC's parent company after Iger called Jarrett personally to apologize for Roseanne's racist tweet and this morning the president tweeting he never called President Donald J Trump to apologize for those horrible statements made and said about me on ABC maybe i just didn't get the call

38:29 ignoring Roseanne's words completely and when pressed on this today the White House at first complained of a double standard before eventually saying no one is defending Roseanne. The president simply calling out the media bias, no one's defending what she said. Roseanne firing off more than 200 tweets since losing her show and vowing to leave Twitter Another side effect of her ambient haze was that she said I'm gonna go on Joe Rogan podcast Yeah, until she woke up and canceled on him. Before you go on... I just got the biggest kick out of Bob Iger, CEO of Disney one of the largest corporations in the world personally calling Valerie Jarrett to apologize. What is he...? Well first of all she's on his speed dial so that's not a big deal. That's beside the point but what does he have to apologize for?

39:28 I'm wondering, I mean...I'm asking you. What does Bob Iger have to apologize for? He wants to stay in good graces of Jared and Obama who is, y'know, Obama's gonna be an important show business guy with his new Barry & Mike production company so yeah, I don't know it's more virtue signaling maybe he didn't even call her just say I called her Yeah, well that could be. And I don't know if you saw the next day... Oh! I have no clips from it but MSNBC had a live forum and then on the panel Al Sharpton Valerie Jarrett Who else was on the panel? It was just all hate against white people and Valerie Jarrett said this is like take this as a learning moment Okay fine

40:19 Anyway, we continue. She replied, wow unreal. She's been all over the map with it I wish she had just said I'm sorry or like you know Valerie Jarrett said that this could be a learning moment. Tonight the executive producer of this show David Kaplan telling The Hollywood Reporter he and the writers had just returned to work on the next season was their first day back

40:58 stunned by Roseanne's tweet now many of them out of a job even so this is another great one oh oh a show got canceled in Hollywood everyone's out of a job where was everyone complaining about Alan show everyone out of a job I didn't hear that did you No, no I never heard anything it was just very kept very quiet. And as an aside Roseanne is a moron you're stupid if you do these things. Their reaction Kaplan and possibly a racist said the reaction was universal disgust adding we were horrified by it

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Hollywood Job Losses and Valerie Jarrett Lizard Theory

The cancellation of "Roseanne" left hundreds of crew members and writers unemployed, a fact the hosts note received more media attention than similar layoffs on conservative-leaning shows. A satirical aside suggests that if Barr had referred to Valerie Jarrett as a "lizard" rather than using racial tropes, she might have avoided the same level of backlash.

david kaplan· roseanne barr· valerie jarrett· lizard people· job security

40:19 Anyway, we continue. She replied, wow unreal. She's been all over the map with it I wish she had just said I'm sorry or like you know Valerie Jarrett said that this could be a learning moment. Tonight the executive producer of this show David Kaplan telling The Hollywood Reporter he and the writers had just returned to work on the next season was their first day back

40:58 stunned by Roseanne's tweet now many of them out of a job even so this is another great one oh oh a show got canceled in Hollywood everyone's out of a job where was everyone complaining about Alan show everyone out of a job I didn't hear that did you No, no I never heard anything it was just very kept very quiet. And as an aside Roseanne is a moron you're stupid if you do these things. Their reaction Kaplan and possibly a racist said the reaction was universal disgust adding we were horrified by it

41:35 We also knew what it meant for the show. When it came to racism, there was no longer any way to accept what she was saying. Tonight Roseanne's saying I feel bad for POTUS he goes through this every single day and even today as she retweeted that Planet of the Apes image next to Valerie Jarrett Roseanne Barr still insisting She's no bigot! I'm not a racist...I never was and I never will be Yeah It would have been smarter if she said Valerie Jarrett is a lizard There would be no calls, there'd be no calls back and forth. It's like oh shit they're on to us. Yeah you gotta stick with the lizard which is a possibility. Oh my goodness but then it got conflated with Samantha Bee and... The Samantha Bee thing was like I thought it was

CHAPTER 18 / 60 Discussion

Samantha Bee, Joy Reid, and Media Double Standards

The hosts examine the lack of professional consequences for Samantha Bee and Joy Reid following their own controversial statements. They contrast the swift firing of Roseanne Barr with the retention of Reid at MSNBC despite past homophobic blog posts, and Bee's use of a gendered slur against Ivanka Trump.

samantha bee· joy reid· msnbc· double standards· political rhetoric

42:24 Yeah, it's to me. It's like she had a clip of it because I finally found one that wasn't censored And this is not even in it's not even interesting but it became like this comparison all of a sudden It's like what and then in the meantime you've got Joy Reid who demonstrably and now admittedly has tweeted or posted incredibly racist things homophobic Conspiratorial I mean, you know they started bringing this stuff out of her being a homophobe and then you start reading some of the other stuff. She seems like a right winger in sheep's clothing! I was gonna say but reading it like she liked 9-11 change Alex Jones... Yeah she was a truth thirter? She liked Alex Jones?! If she gets kicked out at MSNBC and one of us dies she's in! I mean she could be on this show easily

43:10 Wow, what a faker she must be. This is what happened with Ed Schultz when Ed Schultz was on MSNBC he was a Republican hater He went through these screeds that were just like phenomenal and then he goes to RT and the next thing you know he's in Obama critic You know the thing is that with this hate... And it's the same that's in the Slimy Slug Reddit group The hate comes out with curse words. It comes like Keith Olbermann, I guess has been rehired at ESPN and And he's just tweeting MF this MF that you MF that you MF this and and Samantha and I didn't clip in anything either But you know she also insinuated That you know there's incest between Ivanka and enter and Trump and her father absolutely yeah which is like wow and so it comes out with these words which are

44:07 You know, the see you next Tuesday which is just something a man doesn't say to women but women don't like it when they say it to each other either and that's in the US because in the UK It's like they say that to each other. People use the C word all of time so words have different meanings and different contexts and different countries But don't say bloody in the UK They lose their shit if you say that So this is just a word I really don't care but the whole thing was just wasn't funny Now, where was the humor in it? And maybe it's just not my humor. Maybe other people think that she said that. It is possible. Well, sarcastic liberal humor... Political humor is always going to piss somebody off doesn't it? Isn't that kind of how works? Well especially yes. Yeah. It has always done that. Us being a comedy show we know you are never gonna make everybody happy

45:01 But anyway, the whole thing was a charade as far as I'm concerned with Roseanne getting ousted when they could have saved the show. They definitely did not want that show and were embarrassed by it and probably even more embarrassed about ratings because if you're a programmer and you see these ratings on this right-wing It's not even that right wing. It was pretty middle of the road show that was about white, middle class getting all this attention when you're doing all this alternative stuff. You know it's never coming in first or second even but you got the modern family, get the gay couple they've stereotyped which I think is offensive by the way and they have all these other kinds of crazy shows off-the-boat blackish funny

CHAPTER 19 / 60 Discussion

Facebook Shareholder Meeting and Mark Zuckerberg Control

Facebook faces a contentious shareholder meeting where proposals aim to strip Mark Zuckerberg of his absolute control through a "one share, one vote" policy. Other proposals include the creation of an oversight committee and reports on gender inequality, all of which are opposed by the company's current leadership.

facebook· mark zuckerberg· shareholders· voting rights· gender inequality

45:52 Well, Black-ish is hilarious. It's a very funny show and it has some good people working there but these are okay. This other show was making them look like they were idiots because Anybody, they could have done more stuff like this and they did have Tim Allen. And they got rid of him so they're not even interested in ratings are interested in virtue signaling with these shows above the shareholders above income above pure profit that's an interesting way to run a business and face bag is doing the same thing face bag is going to run into exactly the same trouble where I have some point at some point people start to walk away

46:40 Here, I have this one. Hold on. Facebook holds a much-anticipated shareholders meeting on Thursday an annual event that normally lionizes boss Mark Zuckerberg but this year six shareholder proposals could rest controlled from Zuckerberg the proposals include one share one vote the setting up of an oversight committee and a report on how Facebook is tackling gender inequality Facebook opposes all six proposal Mm-hmm That's gonna be fun! I like the one share one vote That's a problem Which is the way it should be. Yeah, because you have no control as a shareholder you can't even organize because of the... I mean Google came up with this crazy version of the shareholdership which gives you zero votes essentially it's useless and yeah but you don't even share in profits because they don't have dividends

47:29 So you're making all your money. You might as well be at the crap table, hopefully the price of the stock keeps going up because that's the only thing supporting it. Well it seems to be doing okay although reports everywhere that millennials are leaving the face bag, that its 57 plus now I looked up the numbers and it's not easy to extract but somewhere between 10 and 23% of Facebags overall revenue comes from Instagram That was a very smart acquisition, and I think Instagram is also they much happier It's complete mind control But it's a much happier place Because there's not a lot of discourse in the comments. It's just look how look at me. I'm so great look my food It's lovely look at my dogs beautiful right as a single line of commentary pretty much Yeah Not a lot of back-and-forth that goes on because once you make your post about the picture You're done. You don't go back but it's pretty telling if even me

CHAPTER 20 / 60 Discussion

Trump Jobs Report Tweet and SEC Rule Controversy

President Trump's tweet expressing anticipation for the monthly jobs report an hour before its official release sparked a media firestorm regarding market integrity. While critics and journalists like Stephanie Ruhle suggested the tweet violated protocol or law, the hosts point to a 2009 instance where President Obama discussed dismal jobs numbers prior to their release.

jobs report· donald trump· stephanie ruhle· sec· market manipulation

48:28 If I leave the face bag because there's no value, not even enough value for the show. That's telling! You know like I left the Apple platform...I think that you know i'm just one guy but I think I identify trends reasonably well and- I don't think your identifying trends, I think your creating them There was one other thing that I caught which was funny to me Again, showing the complete hatred and vitriol. I told you earlier that one of the few things I kept seeing when we watched anything on the TV on vacation was Stephanie Ruhle and she is this really... I have to look at her. I'm going to have to go look her up because her face doesn't come to mind. Bing it! Bing it! Bing it! R-U-H-L. Stephanie Ruhle.

49:24 She's just so annoying. everything that comes out of her mouth is hate and there was a jobs report that came out that although you and I always say yeah great unemployment 3.8 percent because oh, I guess another 0.2% became bums in are no longer counted you know let's see the U6 numbers change let's see it i think that did I hear you say on DHM plug that they had gotten somewhat better? The actual participation rate numbers yeah they should have you I think so did you find still noticing is with the shadow stats numbers are actually improving that's not looking at this woman's but i don't know that I've ever seen her never but you're not missing much why had them maybe true she must be on some odd hour she said she's on after morning Joe

50:16 Also says food. I wouldn't know no, I'm not gonna start my day off looking at MSN Well, I do this you know I do this is my beat No, it's called weight loss It's called job it's what I do is what I do for the show So anyway, we have a jobs number which I think the New York Times said we're out of words how good this report is. And okay sounds good it sounds like double what we would expect to think 150 thousand is what you need to really be able to stay even, stay ahead of the game. So not even double but it was a good report and here is her response. I completely understand why the economy is a win for the president but to send this tweet out one hour before it becomes public... The lockup around this number

51:05 couldn't be taken more seriously in Washington and Wall Street. So the security around these numbers is incredible, where Eamon just was in the lockup I've been there before with Eamon before they take away your cell phone they put you in a room you're allowed to look at the numbers you don't have any access to the internet if I were too before 830 text my wife and say that job numbers look good I think I'm gonna be home late I would never work in financial journalism again. These numbers are so tightly guarded because it's not just a top line number, it's all of this detail about different industries that are tradable and if you can get that information early of course then you can make a decision in financial markets. And traditionally the president gets that number the night before but we've never seen a president make that comment. Never! I reached out to the SEC this morning saying hey boys and girls do care about this

51:53 and they're declining to comment. This is quite a big deal, I mean at 721 right after he put the tweet out we didn't see any price action change but we saw volume change so the people home going who cares? The president is excited about it He wanted people to look ahead...I understand that sentiment But the President is also taking action that could impact trading millions possibly billions of dollars Now, of course... It didn't change any prices as you noted. Well hold on! Hold on! Let me finish the sequence I know what you want to say probably This was all over the news here's CNNs John King it's not i get Larry Kudlow works for the president Larry Kudlow worked for another president pre-twitter Ronald Reagan go back and look he says its routine I dare you go back and look Ronald Reagan George HW Bush Bill Clinton George W Bush Barack Obama find a President United States

52:46 talking about, tweeting about, communicating about the unemployment report before it came out. I dare you." Okay! Dare accepted President Barack Obama. "...226 thousand tomorrow we're expecting another dismal jobs report on top of the 2.6 million jobs that we lost last year..." I'm sorry? That sounds like he just explained the...the jobs numbers in a press conference before the jobs numbers That's what it sounds like to me. In fact, he was very specific. Trump was non-specific He just said I'm looking forward to it Well we know obviously It was telegraphing let's not bullshit about that Well I mean its true I think you can say that But it wasn't technically as bad as what Obama did

CHAPTER 21 / 60 Discussion

Economic Data Politicization and Statistician Credibility

A PBS NewsHour segment explores the sensitivity of economic data releases and the potential for market destabilization if the 8:30 AM lockup period is compromised. The discussion emphasizes that politicizing data integrity can fuel conspiracy theories, while the hosts mock the perceived self-importance of the statisticians involved.

pbs newshour· economists· market stability· data integrity· conspiracy theories

53:30 They don't they will not bring that up Obama had real numbers. He said some actual yeah, actually But you know and this was a different situation Because it was the the Great Recession the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression but he did communicate the numbers so Don't tell me with these other guys to these guys are just on these shows lying through their teeth What is this what are these fleeting why do you have John? Why did you bring Fleetwood Mac clip? Play the Fleetwood Mac, but I do have a jobs. Okay clip to all right Oh, that's why was sorry okay? Yeah because there's a word there says jobs This was this was the PBS NewsHour take of this thing and I thought it had it was pretty objective

54:23 remarkable moment. Neil, I want to turn to some controversy today the president himself tweeted this morning at 721 a.m., this was a little more than an hour before these numbers came out and i'm going to quote he said looking forward to seeing the unemployment employment numbers at 830 this morning This has caused quite a stir among economists why? Yeah so these numbers that takes weeks to prepare them but they're kept under lock and key. It's a very sensitive thing because they move markets, the dollar, the bond market, the stock market all swing dramatically when these numbers are released so they're kept very confidential you know locked doors not spread widely. The president does get to get a chance to learn about them in the evening before. The problem is if this becomes routine if the president kind of

55:10 tips his hand or hints about what's to come. It could be very destabilizing to markets and the idea that there wouldn't be this kind of predictable 830 a.m at exactly the everybody gets the numbers, the same time knows exactly how to interpret them. We want that predictability, especially if we find ourselves in a crisis recession when when these numbers really markets turn on every every decimal point day and there's even some other even some critics out there who say the president broke the law when he did this rule is there? Is there a law Is there an actual law? I don't think, I don't think there's a law. Is there a law? No that I know of they just you know it's just an SEC rule about one thing or another he can say whatever he wants He could get to things the night before and announce it himself if he wanted to Hey! He can pardon Martha Stewart Yeah Guys got some power About time somebody did Critics out there who are saying the president broke the law when he did this What is the rule

56:06 Well, the rule is that we don't see any government agencies talk about the numbers at all an hour around the numbers. And I think that's really important because I work with the National Association for Business Economics, the Statistics Committee...I work with these institutions and part of the reason for keeping that sort of time frame out there not having advanced information all the reasons that Neil suggested are absolutely true but also very important is the integrity and credibility of the data. The data gets politicized once it comes out, there's just you know no matter who's going to be running if it's a bad number people are running against that person they're going to talk about bad number if its good number then they'll tell them it was a good number and take credit for it, it gets politicized but

56:45 to feed this idea that the data is somehow influenced by an administration. Any administration is something you want to really stay away from, so the credibility and integrity of the data in institutions that produce it are also coming under question when this is done. And I think that's incredibly important because we already see all these conspiracy theories now tell you I spent a lot of time with these statisticians. You got a drink when you're with them because they're really dead dirty. Yeah yeah All right, I do have some statistician stuff for later. But whenever you're talking about Okay now Fleetwood Mac is it was a special put on P and PBS our local KQED And I've noticed this for a while they do these You know donation drives yeah? and they use these stooges and they because if you go to Seattle watch their station that there's the same people as

CHAPTER 22 / 60 Discussion

PBS Donation Drives and Fleetwood Mac Concert Specials

The hosts critique the repetitive nature of PBS donation drives, specifically those featuring Fleetwood Mac concert footage. They describe the "stooges" used in local cut-ins and share personal anecdotes about meeting Mick Fleetwood and the band during the 1980s, noting the band's history of internal conflict.

pbs· fleetwood mac· kqed· donation drive· mick fleetwood

57:43 And they're always referring to the number at the bottom of your screen. Yeah, and what bugs me and I'm gonna play a couple clips was a couple things There's a bunch of things that bugged me about this thing cuz like clip three little clips But play the first one Fleetwood Mac won now. I was thrilled just as I'm sure you are Remembering the feelings you had you remember the music but more importantly You remember the passion each member brings to the songs? I think one of the things that makes the band so popular is that you can relate to them as people. Well, that is so true and even to this day they are just like all of us! Each song has a story for the band and maybe also for you Maybe it's your personal experience of lost love or maybe the struggle of a problem as Lindsey Buckingham reveals during Little Demons which is coming up later in the program Whatever your connection its real and genuine

58:33 thing that's real and genuine is the fact that part of the mission of this station is to showcase your favorite artists or performers. Know that it is your generous support over the years, that makes all of this possible." Well if you've already made that call or click on Support, or if you've already become a sustaining contributor we can't thank you enough! Now if not, it's not too late to join the celebration. You do that by going online or calling the number at the bottom of the screen. Do it now! Remember, the programs you count on really do count on YOU for support. Now I'm extremely annoyed by that number-at-the-bottom-of-the-screen bit and i'll tell you why in fact before I tell you why let's play this second part of this clip where they head the head honcho woman of PBS comes on and has a pitch she has a new term by the way for donors who

59:23 subscribe which are sustainers they made it a no instead of sustaining donation and sustainer's sustainers your sister and before we play it I will agree that whenever I hear Fleetwood Mac it also reminds me of my cocaine fueled heyday. I mean yes, if they're real people reminds me of that I was backstage with that group once oh how was that? It was very uncomfortable. I mean, a couple of guys were talking... luckily this was the version of the band that had Dave Mason and i was a big Dave Mason fan because sometime in the late 60's he did his solo album that I thought was pretty dynamite

1:00:02 And but it was like this, you know, this is being with a bunch of strange. These are not like you and me when I make Fleetwood had brought the band back together briefly in the mid almost late 80s mid-80s and it was without I think it was without Lindsey Buckingham. Yeah, Lindsey Buckingham was here... Maybe Christine McVie wasn't in it? She quit too! But i remember talking to Mick Fleetwood doing an interview the one of the the I had two big gaffes in my career this was the Fleetwood Mac one where I said so uh Lindsey Buckingham is she going to be on the tour this year

CHAPTER 23 / 60 Discussion

PBS "Sustainers" and Lack of Local Affiliate Effort

PBS President Paula Kerger introduces the term "sustainers" for monthly donors, a branding shift the hosts find pretentious. They criticize the network for failing to localize donation segments for specific affiliates like KQED, arguing that high-revenue networks should put more effort into their fundraising production.

paula kerger· pbs· sustainers· kqed· local affiliates

1:00:41 The other one the other one the other gaff just over on it the other gap was when I was interviewing Jermaine Jackson who had a song with Pia Siddhara when the rain begins to fall from some movie soundtrack and And of course, I said ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Michael Jackson. Yeah It's one of those cringe worthy moments you do that Alright your second clip Hello, I'm Paula Kerger president of PBS. Thanks to your support this station is able to present stimulating science shows award-winning children's programs sweeping drama and groundbreaking documentaries To become a sustainer all you have to do is make a self renewing gift at five dollars ten dollars twenty dollars a month or more I'd like self renewing too. I think that's a pretty cool term We've tried to make it as convenient as possible

1:01:31 You can make the contribution from your checking account or you can use your credit card. Becoming a Sustainer will help your station ensure that the programs you love will be there for you and your community now and in the future. Please become a Sustainer by visiting your station's secure website, or by calling the number on your screen. Thank you! I'm just getting in from the troll room that PBS has a Sustainer Learning Center website Really? Yeah It's a stinger pbs.org slash sustainer slash home the they're going with this term here's what bothers me about these things in particular

1:02:14 Have you ever watched like the evening news in your local station in Austin or anywhere? You have a cut to Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon who they, and they usually throw it to him from the news. Hey Jimmy who's going to be on the show tonight? Hey Bill! They actually know who they're talking to. It's called a promo It's a promo, hey Bill we're going to have so and so and so. And well back to you at the newsroom. We're here rehearsing getting ready in studio 15 and can't wait to have Miley Cyrus on again. Yes back to you. It takes just a little 10 second hit they do it for like I don't know 100 or 200 stations as part of their whole routine it's not like something crazy

1:02:58 These people cannot even do that much. They will put so little effort out there, they will not... That woman from PBS could have easily been cut a special segment mentioning it's KQED or KCET whatever station it is. Right, localize it a little bit yeah There's no localization whatsoever because its too much work these people are also rolling in dough Not that I'm you know just saying that yeah well But it's just I find it offensive that they look at the number at the bottom of your screen and whatever that stupid number is used at, and then give money to whoever it is you're giving it to. We don't know. Right? Anyway, just found extremely annoying. Well, that's because obviously because it has to go through the local affiliate so the local affiliate gets credit for it

1:03:47 But yeah, I mean it's it's low-rent operation. What does it take to make a special 10 second? If you do it on Fallon they can do it anywhere and if if you have all this money to create all these groundbreaking documentaries And what was the other term about drama sweeping dramas sweeping sweeping? Sweeping dramas. It's about there's cleaning women. Yeah Do you have ten Do you have ten bucks to do a live cut-in for your local station? I agree. I agree with you, but here's the bonus in this. I'm not sure what this is about

CHAPTER 24 / 60 Discussion

Fleetwood Mac Tour Promotion and PBS Commercial Interests

The relationship between PBS and commercial entities is examined through the lens of concert specials that serve as de facto promotions for band tours. The hosts argue that despite claims of being viewer-supported, these programs involve complex royalty and performance rights deals that benefit major musical acts like Fleetwood Mac.

fleetwood mac· pbs· royalties· tour promotion· public broadcasting

1:04:24 We're about to go back to this incredible concert in just a moment. But in case you aren't familiar with the way PBS works, this station is supported in large part by you and people all across your community and those contributions are what keep these shows on the air so if you're liking this show perhaps you're loving it make a contribution now. Oh wow! Write these things down Josh If you're liking this show, perhaps you're loving it baby. Yeah, perhaps you're loving it make a contribution now It's an amazing partnership that works since day one and we would love to have you do your part to keep work since day one How about the actual commercials you play?

1:05:06 They play commercials on PBS. Yeah, I know they do. It's worked since day one! It's not working that well now. Since day one and we would love to have you do your part to keep that partnership going. Concerts like this one would simply not be possible without the ongoing support from the viewers like you it breaks down to just pennies a day but it adds up to a lifetime of learning education and entertainment for everyone in our community thank you Bonnie, I think of Fleetwood Mac and I immediately think of PBS. Every one of you who have been with us for a number of years... You are keeping the music history alive by watching and supporting this PBS station And think about all of you out there who never heard of Fleetwood Mac until you were watching this show! We want you to know that YOU can make the difference Go online or call the number on your screen right now

1:06:01 I love PBS, especially our local station is shooed using that word all rock and roll until just a few years ago. I mean it was like during the sixties and seventies when there's like a local revolution in San Francisco bands like Jefferson Airplane and Grateful Dead. They paid no attention to it? They refused to play this stuff because it was beneath them because they only played classical stuff So this is nonsense. I just, I'm sickened by it." Well you know of course they use this, they cut these deals pure commercial deals because what they're doing is promoting Fleetwood Mac's tour and Fleetwood Mac is touring so they cut a deal and the dealers will give you all this promotion we're going to buy

1:06:46 I don't know if they still do it with the DVDs. They have DVD's, yes. It's not like Fleetwood Mac gets paid when this plays on PBS. There are royalties and public rights and performing rights. There is all kinds of money coming in so it's a commercial deal which is fine Typically though, they usually get someone from the band in to talk about it. You didn't see any of that? Was there no... No, none of that. The band came in. They're too stoned! Good catch and I think we have learned something. Well, I certainly want to use the sustainer and remember if you like this show, you just might love it. And a great time now

CHAPTER 25 / 60 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 1039 Introduction and Donor Recognition

The hosts officially open the donation segment for Episode 1039, thanking the artists and producers who maintain the show's "value-for-value" model. They acknowledge the work of Ramsey Cain in preparing recent specials and begin the process of thanking high-tier donors and executive producers.

tungsten tom· ramsey cain· value-for-value· executive producers· episode 1039

1:07:24 To thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C. USC stands for see you next Tuesday Devorah And the morning of you Mr Adam Curry also in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in The air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there Yes, In the Morning 2 The Troll Room at noagendastream.com doing a great job there Good to see most of you there Also in the morning to tungsten Tom Now I went back, because we prepped for the Best Of show. We did what are called wraparounds that we do in the beginning and middle and end of a Best Of show And I found a piece of artwork which was in the evergreen section The number...I mean were up to 11 thousand pieces of art now. I think eleven thousand three hundred something This is a lot! This was in this...I think this was in the 300's

1:08:16 300s this is how old around sometimes we'll look for stuff in the past Because there's gold. Yeah, it was mining yes And we're not talking reddit gold people were talking real gold and we appreciate that tungsten Tom if he stole a listener As well as all of the artists who contribute to our album art is one of the great differences, the great differentiators. Of The No Agenda show is we have fresh album artwork for every single episode if you like no agenda, you'll love it for the for the artwork I'm working on practicing that's yours now. No agenda ArtGenerator dot com are value from out value model works a little differently We just tell ya hey

1:09:01 Did you like anything you heard? Did it did it did you get any value that make me feel good? Did you learn something and put a value on its end to us, and that's what people do And we appreciate that in anyone over 200 It becomes an automatic associate executive producer over 300 per episode automatic executive producer just like Hollywood We'd like to thank them in a separate segment more at the beginning of the show. That's where we are now We also this is just gonna be a little long today because we had this is for two shows right the best job again Thank you, Ramsey Kane to show 30s 8 and 39 I believe yeah yes 38 and 39 correct so let's thank these people one after the other starting with Dave Fugazotto in Gladstone Missouri 3 8 3 3 8

1:09:55 He'll be an executive producer. This is my apologies for being confused on the 1037 donation day, I am of course a solid 38er and want you both to keep casting in that of course we still have the ongoing 38 cent thing where you put 38 cents at the end of a donation means you like to show 37 cents. Well, not just like it's like you want it to continue. You think you wanted to continue past its usefulness? Yeah, we had the question was is that passes usefulness so he had one have to mention two things one comic strip blogger sent me a DM saying hey People aren't gonna donate and add 37 cents to say the show sucks because they already don't like the show, they're not gonna give you any money. You guys are self-selecting." And so I said well thanks for pointing out the obvious. Yeah and I said duh which I think irked him but...

1:10:50 Yes, duh. We're not going to get a lot of you know we're not gonna definitely gonna get no $1,000 and 37 cent donations telling us what it does is it does open up a converse combo conversation and people tell us why they like it or and we've gotten a lot of notes of people who think things could be better or different than some hate mail got some of that. Yeah but we get something It was useful Yeah, I don't have the totals. I'll bring them up on a Thursday show or the with their yeah Thursday my apologies for being confused I wanted both I want you both keep casting your pod and casting your pod until episode 333

1:11:34 Right, right. I predict you will be simultaneously struck by falling pieces of that Tesla they shot into space a few months ago permanently terminating the show neither of you will feel any pain and we producers will dawn black armbands for the ritual year of mourning and then move on to with our lives or something like that. Required some goat karma and a shout out from my wife, and my birthday hers a week ago, my 50th a few days ago. And chef's choice out of Reverend Manning thanks for all you do truly you too and not NPR speak of the devil are our beloved national treasure. Okay let's get a manning

CHAPTER 26 / 60 Discussion

Baronet Horatio of Arabia and Saudi Arabia Heat Reports

A producer living in Saudi Arabia, now titled Baronet Horatio of Arabia, contributes to the show and reports on extreme temperatures reaching 48 degrees Celsius. The hosts discuss the process of upgrading titles within the No Agenda peerage system based on cumulative donations.

saudi arabia· baronet· donation· heat wave· title change

1:12:20 Sorry, I wasn't quite prepared for the manning. What do we have? I'm just grabbing a random one with their tight t-shirts and their short pants You've got karma I'll put a Manning at the end okay onward Sorry, I had to go find a note. Steven Janosik in Temple Terrace Florida 36363. Oh by the way now that second guy who wrote in anonymous as though we were insulting him he says hey I read the note or I read the email over again it said add 37 cents

1:13:05 As opposed to just putting .37 at the end of the donation, which is what I meant. Oh because he came up with a whole different number and he just added it in? Yeah cause he wanted to donate double nickels on the dime so it would be 5547 Alright well... And then we can't extract all these numbers cause maybe he wanted to donate 5512 and then that 37 is 30- I don't know So yeah He's adamant about this guy Well he's ant fucking on the numbers! I gotta hand it to him There you go What's that in Dutch? Mierenkoek. My wife would like some folks hitting the... Wait, wait! She starts off with you can't read it on the spreadsheet but he's saying para manana That's what he is saying. Para manana! Ah okay I couldn't read it because its a mess Yeah my wife would like some folks hitting the mouth for her birthday Do you have her on your birthday list? Uh no Well the birthday of whoever she is Mrs Janicek Hopefully she goes with that I will put her on

1:14:07 Here's some coin to make that happen. Can you also humor us with, if you see something say something I love bugs shut up slave and a goat scream? You know i have a uh... I think i have a new See Something Say Something ummm where was that maybe it was this one let me see. See something say something! No damnit It was a different there was a new one just recently see something I think it was maybe it was a Chris Wilson thing hmm well moving right along yeah here's the Taste like poop You've got

1:15:16 There's so many variations on shut up slave. Sir Colin, Colin Sloman $333 and 38 cents again Great Britain I'm very happy to upvote the show which remains the best podcast in the universe title change for me as i have I have now living it up in the desert of Saudi Arabia, yes. And would like to change my title to Baronet Horatio of Arabia." Okay...of Arabia! Nice! 48 degrees C as we speak. That's warmer than Austin. 120? It's up there

CHAPTER 27 / 60 Discussion

Birthday Donations and Liberal-to-No-Agenda Conversions

A 50th birthday donation from a former liberal supporter of Bernie Sanders highlights a personal transformation triggered by questioning the Iraq War. The donor describes alienating Facebook friends and struggling to communicate with a mother who reportedly only watches the Food Network to cope with the current political climate.

bernie sanders· iraq war· facebook· dementia· birthday

1:16:03 The donation takes me over the threshold for Baronet and I'm delighted to keep supporting the show from the beginning. Excellent, we'll do that later on! Give us a report. Yeah By the way, yeah. Rory, little movies are cool if you can get them and shoot them without somebody stopping ya. Rory Buska in Novi Michigan 3333. Dear John and Adam after waiting with anticipation for months I have finally had a chance to donate the amount of $333.33 in honor of my 33rd birthday which serendipitously falls on show day May 31st

1:16:41 May 31st? You just missed it because that was close. I consider changing the 033 at the end to amount to 38, indicating that this show is still incredibly valuable for me per your recent donation poll but the power of 33 compels me to stick with the script. I am still not a knight but this contribution should encourage and inspire The most inveterate freeloaders to find a compelling reason to donate big not suitably momentous occasion nice work for being two voices Still seeking the truth in an empire of lies That's right Inventor on the list yes, he is

1:17:22 Ryan McWhorter in St. Clair Shores, $333 even in Michigan. Long time listener? First time donor. It's also my birthday on the 3rd, I'll be 35. Shout out to my smoking hot girlfriend Ashley who I've hit in the mouth! Please de-douche me. You've been de-douched He wants you to play Crossing the Border Karma and play Sharpton that one of the Sharpton hit reels. Tonight is the measure of whether the country begins in the state of Wisconsin a national drive to push back or whether we have more to go, to build a movement of resistance but resist we much We must and we will much about that

1:18:14 be committed. You've got karma. The next one says has an email No, I've got the wrong one. The new one after this has an email you might want to check while I'm reading this. Andrew Grasso in Merrick New York 333 executive producer for show 1039 oh no there it is email forthcoming ah it's already in here. You got it? Dear John dear John I making this donation of $333 Aussie dollars to get myself and executive producership for my 50th birthday this Wednesday see on the list

1:18:54 All my life I have been a liberal. It's a lot of birthdays today, all my life i've been a liberal! I was a fan of Bernie and very disappointed when Trump won shortly after the election I asked the question at dinner party about why we went to Iraq and it was hit in the mouth that changed my life. I have not missed an episode since I've gone back to episode 426 to learn about pipelines I put it upon myself to go back to the day Trump nominated, was nominated to RE live the whole election. To relive the whole election from my newfound perspective. I particularly loved episode 777

1:19:30 Make a note with the discussion of Gog and Magog. Oh yeah, I remember that! Wow, I have to go listen to it again. At the price of this donation alone...I'll have to go back and listen to that myself My family thinks i'm obsessed my kids say in the morning and thank you for your courage I've alienated just about all my Facebook friends and argue with my fabulous dementia B mother every day She has only watched the Food Network since Trump won and she can't cope. This is not Australia! And thinks we're all going to die Please don't ever give up what you and Adam do as I said, you've changed my life I need a de-douching in a resist remuch All right. Andy Cantrell You've been de-douched But resist remuch We must and we will much

CHAPTER 28 / 60 Discussion

Steemit Content Monetization and Credit Union Donations

The hosts discover that an unknown individual is posting No Agenda episodes to the blockchain-based social network Steemit and earning approximately $30 per show in cryptocurrency. They also discuss the "Popmoney" system used by credit unions as an alternative method for listeners to send donations.

steemit· cryptocurrency· popmoney· credit unions· content piracy

1:23:35 Again, I want to mention Andy Cantrell was the one with the Aussie dollars. Now i have the note from our next producer. Oh you do? Good because I could not find anything this is Ron Link $238.38 in Holbrook New York. I'll start with his PS Do you guys see these notes or is email the way to go also I was having trouble finding JCD's email I know you guys say it all the time, but you know CBD. Okay? Well its john at Dvorak org I don't see how difficult it is But forgive me podfathers this last show I donated a boob with no 38! I missed the email Donated Friday night however here's to make good You guys changed my life in December of 2016 after your Adam's appearance with The Seed Man

1:24:24 So thank you Adam for hitting me in the mouth. Thank you for never sending out red alerts for America The low anxiety and sanity are much appreciated your banter and chemistry truly makes me happy best podcast in the universe NJNK please deduce as asked on the second donation to PayPal note-to-show, but I was a giant douche for year. I get it well of course You've been deduced no problemo thank you very much for your courage you'll be an associate executive producer for today's show Joey Efron in Colorado Springs, 23338. In the morning John and Adam I'm submitting this donation in support of the show. Yeah that would be nice if I did there move this over uh...I've been listening since you first started covering the 2016 elections and have been hitting people in the mouth ever since This represents a small amount of the value I received from your show. I'd like to call out Jesse K from PA in Colorado Springs as a douchebag!

1:25:23 For jingles I like a de-douching. Obama, Batman no no and you might die. Joe F. Monson. De-Douching first? You've been de-douched! Russell Gerton, $201.33. This came in as a pop money donation he did send an email saying and by the way this went through a credit union most of you anyone out there's a member of a credit union probably have a Popmail account you can send his money that way

1:26:16 If you need more details than we normally give you, using the email address noagenda at dvorak.org where you can get that too. Anyway $201 and 33 cents via pop money and he needs Jobs Karma. Okay is that it? Yep! Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs You've got karma As you start to wrap in the 200s, Anonymous $200.38 Lake Oswego Oregon Dear Pyramus and Thizb

CHAPTER 29 / 60 Discussion

International Media Deconstruction and Military Deployments

A donor from Oregon encourages more deconstruction of non-U.S. media, a goal the hosts support through their "boots on the ground" listener network. Another producer, an airborne service member, announces his tenth upcoming military deployment while expressing his support for the show's mission.

international news· military· deployment· airborne· vinyl

1:26:58 Uncle Sam came with a surprise donation to me, so I thought I'd share my good fortune with you. Thank you for the great work here We're starting to see that now it's about the time of year where you start getting some money back from the government I agree that I appreciate hearing more non-us media deconstruction no special jingles just some good karma for my business peace out Yeah, I got a couple of things for you or later on today show You've got karma. Totally agree, we need as much international deconstruction as possible We need our boots on the ground to help us with that and we can't monitor that easily. Again Saudi Arabia that can give us a little input right? Dwight Schick in Burlington Ontario $200.38 sent in an email That's funny He by the way there said you got your pen Yes I do because he wants to add his brother Dwight on the birthday list for his 30th

1:27:51 Okay, I'll do that. Okay well this email is no good i'm gonna have to look it up because what happened here Is I printed it out as I normally do and put in the pile but this was I printed stupidly printed with chrome Oh No Which does not print squirrel mail email? Properly cuts cuts it off at the bottom hey who is it what's his brother's name Dwight notes younger for the Dwight he's 30 Well so it's Dwight to Dwight What he says, brother Dwight. Here let me I'll read it to you what he said huh yes well this doesn't sound make any sense Let me look him up uh so i pull up the email that is tense I find it outrageous that chrome is not backwards compatible with the 1930s squirrel mail You guys as long as possible okay look here and hear me now believe me later I love you guys

1:28:50 I thank my brother for introducing me to you guys. I have been listening since the 600s, but at the end of the day, I would like a birthday shout out... Oh okay never mind! I don't know how I got into this? I would like a birthday shout out to my niece Amelia who turns three tomorrow that may or may not be on the list probably not. June 1st also warm happy welcome Her baby sister, Eleanor. A brand new human resource I enjoy the dirty 30s now Adam for the jingles Can you play? Okay, I know where he sent a second email out to go get Could you play put an egg on it at the end of the show if you can find it also kind of get a Trump as president Followed by calm down scream

1:29:36 Sorry for the long email. It's not long at all Yeah, you guys keep going for as long as you can Okay And what was the other thing he wanted for the end of show put an egg on it? Yeah if you find it yeah I'll look for it He's Trump! He's Trump! The President! Calm down You've got karma I never heard that before What? The calm down? Oh no this Oh, this is interesting. Dwight Chick... Douglas Chick is the one who put the he sent a note in his brother so there's a brother Douglas and he's the one who said I want to wish my younger brother Dwight who sent this other note in wishing the niece happy birthday So it IS Dwight! I'm very confused. I have Dwight Chick to his niece Amelia whose three today baby sister Eleanor she's a new human resource and then?

1:30:37 And then Douglas Chick wants to wish his brother Dwight a happy birthday. Okay, and he's 30 okay? Yeah Yes, I was confused. Okay. Hey! This is two shows we're doing here. Yeah gotcha Let's go on Jason Denny $200 and 38 cents which is a positive number for us request to deducing You've been Deduced in the morning chance from the rocket city the rocket City I don't know what it is, doesn't say. The associate producer donation as part of my No Agenda bucket list on route to knighthood On Twitter i have favorited by both I am an album winner episode 788 and I have an individual troll room call out as Donald underlined Trump I will make vinyl great again

1:31:32 The remaining items on my list include but not limited to Jingle Creation, executive producer Knight and to meet you both in person. Your show is not only informative but the best example of what makes this country great. Progress jobs karma and a deployment karma as my unit is looking to send me again in a year making my Tenth deployment. Holy crap! Over my career, airborne. Airborne? Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs you've got karma I shall return How long will you be gone

CHAPTER 30 / 60 Discussion

Millennial Dating Apps and "Dog Mom" Culture

A millennial donor expresses frustration with modern dating apps, claiming they are dominated by "dog moms" who prioritize pets over human relationships. The discussion touches on the "Japanese approach" to staying single and the humorous misuse of the term "seppuku" in the donor's note.

millennials· dating apps· dog moms· year of the dog· seppuku

1:32:15 All right, I presume this is for the note from Dave Bozeman from Wilmington North Carolina. He sends in 200 dot 3 7 This would be a yes the show has gone past its usefulness Yeah, I don't think that's what he meant okay? Okay words bozeman's note. I thought it was on the desk Maybe it's at the newsdesk Hey, news desk. Can you get the note over here? All right. We'll read it at the second half of the show I moved it around its laws. Oh wait, no, Dave. No, no handwritten note is a check. I don't have it now. Get it. We'll get it later. Teagan Murray $200 and 18 cents if cut off see email third time donate her

1:33:11 I've been triggered by recent show comments about millennials and their dogs. Hence, 21818 being the year of the dog! Oh? After getting dumped out of a long-term relationship this spring that failed like the Titanic... ...I recently started trying out dating apps as a millennial would. You know what they're full of?! Dog moms and comments like if you don't like dogs, don't bother Every second photo is some lady in her dog family I love animals But this is nuts and makes me want to take the Japanese approach of being single for life or trying out seppuku Seppuku. I don't know look it up sounds nice way

1:33:56 Maybe it's something to eat. Anyway, I'll be fine thanks for adding some sanity to my life and being the best podcast in the universe if possible please plug canadianvalueinvestors.com Canadian not Canadian Canadian value investors investors dot com My co-run millennial site hustle about value investing Value for Value! I'd like to request the following jingles dogs are people too and karma for the dating Um, seppuku. Another term for harakiri. Okay we got it. Dogs are people too! You've got karma That concludes with the exception of our note that we need to find uh that concludes our

1:34:51 Producers and executive, producer associate and executive for show 1039 and 1038 combined. Yes thank you very much these are real credits they can be used anywhere credits are recognized and accepted LinkedIn is where we like to put them it works for a lot of people but you can join a guild if you want then it does appear to help people get jobs because it looks impressive on your resume Thank you for that. Thank you for your courage and we will be thanking more people $50 and above later on in the program And obviously got another show come to Thursday, please remember us at vorac org Slash n a lots of people being hit in the mouth today and hitting in the mouth is called propagating hating our formula is this We go out or hit people in the mouth I

CHAPTER 31 / 60 Discussion

East Austin Gentrification and Dog-to-Child Ratios

Research from the University of Texas confirms a demographic shift in East Austin, where dogs now outnumber children in certain neighborhoods. Long-time residents express concern that playgrounds are being converted into dog parks, signaling a permanent change in the area's family-oriented character.

austin· gentrification· university of texas· dog parks· affordable housing

1:35:45 Well, since we got brought into the Dogs Are People Too segment and the jingle was by request I do have a clip from my backyard Austin Texas. Six o'clock years of talk about how East Austin is changing confirmed New research out of the University of Texas shows it's already changed. One of the big headlines, a neighborhood that now has more dogs than children. We would play basketball on the street ride our bikes on the street we were family so the neighborhood was a family That's how Erica Jasper remembers growing up in East Austin in the 1970s but she seen evidence of UT researchers finding

1:36:25 that children or more accurately families are disappearing. We don't see kids anymore we don't see kids out on the street, we don't see kids playing basketball when you say it right off it kind of seems like almost an attack at the newcomers you know eccentric dog owners but it's not that at all just Just the severe lack of children. Dogs are people too! What people are most concerned about is they're worried that the playgrounds of East Austin will become dog parks which will be irreversible Yeah, and dogs poop all over the place by the way You noticed

1:37:08 Yeah, yeah. You're peeing in your elevator I understand? Yeah! I mean i'm toning down the reports because it's obvious we've you know we've shown that is true here now again identify... set the trend as you would say this now everyone is aware that and we are gentrifying East Austin with dogs It's very odd. The real problem is, of course affordable housing in Austin which is going the way of San Francisco and most of California It's unaffordable, unaffordable here in Austin. So I was looking at as I was doing because I brought up this issue with the cheap properties in parts of Pennsylvania and the little splotches around the state and I was looking at something interesting because I was... Mont Carmel I think is some of these other places where you get by a house for 25 grand most of the houses for sale they sell between

CHAPTER 32 / 60 Discussion

Tiny Homes and New York Real Estate Prices

The hosts discuss potential solutions to the housing crisis, including the construction of smaller cottages and "dorms for adults" in Austin. They contrast these efforts with the extreme real estate market in New York City, where a 750-square-foot studio apartment can command a price of $1.8 million.

tiny homes· real estate· manhattan· dorms· affordable housing

1:38:10 25,000 and maybe 100 maybe. They're all small square footage and it's like every house in the whole town is 1200 square foot. You can't buy a 1200s. Yes there's one or two here and there that would be called cottages in the San Francisco Bay area but most of these places got a lot of square feet very rarely 1000 to 1200. And I think that maybe that would be some part of a solution is to make it lots smaller and build some smaller cottages, so people can get started. Tiny homes buying process? Tiny homes! Well tiny homes is really small but there needs to be some way because anyone who's ever got into the property game you ratchet. You buy something. I have the answer. The former New York banker told me what he was doing in Austin

1:39:01 He has acreage that he purchased several years ago in East Austin out towards Ben White Boulevard, I think. East East Austin and he is going to build dorms not for students Just dorms for people. Not a bad idea, I would say that has potential But it's kind of sad Well it's like building... yeah well they can always repurpose them as prisons Who says is not the same? It is after all East Austin The only thing you need to do was just lock the doors And uh..I purchased ummm Not a bad idea Hmm, well I think he's gonna make a killing He's a banker by after all

1:39:52 I purchased a copy of the Financial Times weekend edition while we were waiting at the airport in Houston for our flight back to Austin and i was looking at, you know they have that weekend edition. They have all the real estate prices now New York...I thought New York real estate prices had really collapsed not that I know of so I thought people were leaving and they couldn't you know no one wants to buy them anymore but I saw studio apartment I think it was 750 square feet for 1.8 million dollars. How many square feet? 750. Jeez... Where are we going?!

CHAPTER 33 / 60 Discussion

Global Abortion Law Changes in Ireland and Argentina

Following a landmark vote in Ireland to legalize abortion, hundreds of women in Argentina have begun protesting to relax their country's strict anti-abortion laws. The Argentine Congress is scheduled to vote on June 13th regarding the termination of pregnancies within the first 14 weeks.

ireland· argentina· abortion laws· protests· new world order

1:40:36 Yeah, no kidding. All right let's shift gears here for a second this is not so much something to deconstruct well maybe it's a world deconstruction I didn't get around to playing the couple shows ago clip about Ireland now passing new law to allow abortions which has been something that's been foreboding in Ireland forever and so that passed. And now we have Argentina! Hundreds of women have protested against Argentina strict anti-abortion laws outside the country's Congress building on June 13th, the congress will vote on whether to relax the law and allow women to terminate their fetus in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy

1:41:16 It would also allow termination if there were serious fetal abnormalities or if the woman had been raped or her life was in danger. At the moment, abortion can only be legally performed if there's a threat to the woman's life or she has been raped." So there you go! The New World Order plan is working Kill your babies everywhere. It's pretty interesting. Kill all babies! Did I hear a report or did i read a report somewhere? There is song in that, there was maybe a song by the Stranglers? No it's Mother... Maybe the song killed for peace

CHAPTER 34 / 60 Discussion

Italian Populist Government and EU Financial Stability

Italy has formed a new coalition government led by the Five Star Movement and right-wing parties, creating the first "Trump-like" populist administration in a major European economy. Financial markets remain wary of the new government's plans for a flat tax and pension reform, which could lead to a downgrade of Italian debt to "junk" status.

italy· five star movement· beppe grillo· mario draghi· junk bonds

1:41:56 No, okay. I'm thinking of some was it kill all your babies. What is that? something this You'd think a disco jockey like myself would know exactly what that was but just thinking up Is there some more lyrics that yeah you should definitely do some more lyrical. Yeah do some more lyrics Italy This is again very interesting what's happening in Italy as it looks like they now have formed a cabinet and with the parliamentary system you know if unless you win the majority of the votes, you have to form a coalition with other parties. And so the five-star which used to be the Comedians Party Beppe Grillo

1:42:41 has now formed a government with two parties that... People don't realize you're not joking. No, I'm not joking! They've formed the government well Beppe Grillo is no longer the lead guy they got the handsome young young 30-year old who said, you know what? We'll form the coalition. I don't have to be prime minister. I'll be Minister of Economic Development but they brought in two parties they've hated traditionally one being the far right one being the far left And somehow that's going to work, seems like a non-starter to me. I mean i've seen it fail in the Netherlands time and time again they call it a pink coalition so its red and blue kind of combined... ...and here is a report which I thought was interesting on the topic. The recent political turmoil has unsettled financial markets and analysts say there are still turbulent times ahead as Italy enters uncharted territory In particular the government is likely to face difficult relations with Brussels

1:43:43 This government of populist demagogues, Eurosceptic and anti-immigrant will hold. And we will now find out what it means to have the first real Trump-like government in one of Europe's biggest economies. I like the, Trump-like government okay it's not even close! Will they go against Europe or will they calm down? Will they engage in radical economic policies that blow a hole in Italy finances or will they be more pragmatic and the fact that Paolo Savona The controversial anti-euro economist who was blocked by the president of Italy from becoming treasury minister has now been shifted over and snuck through the back door in as European affairs minister is like an insult to Europe.

1:44:29 Thomas De Bona has talked about leaving the Europe as a plan B, leaving the single currency. Now that may not happen and Italy will stay in the single currency but they've also promised over 100 billion euros of spending plans right now the markets financial markets have calmed after being spooked and worried about Italy and after an Italian bomb sell-off. But if a new government gives indications that it's really going to create a flat tax that drives the hole through the budget, creates a deficit of 50 billion euros a year or if they try to undo pension reform that costs 200 billion euros... If they do these kinds of irresponsible things, the financial markets will come in, the ratings agencies will downgrade Italy debt

1:45:18 to junk bomb status and at that point not even Mario Draghi and his quantitative easing can save Italy if they get degraded to downgraded to junk bomb status. That was the EU falling off the cliff This is pretty significant this the Italian problem. I think is much bigger than we realize well, this is We have a similar problem going on in Spain yes Also with the government teetering because they kicked out the what did they kick out the Prime Minister for?

CHAPTER 35 / 60 Discussion

Global Socialist Movements and Second Amendment Protections

The hosts discuss the rise of socialist governments in Spain and Italy, characterizing them as a "revolt of the slaves." They argue that the Second Amendment in the United States serves as a unique defense mechanism against government overreach that is absent in European parliamentary systems.

spain· socialism· second amendment· gun rights· civil unrest

1:45:57 There was a number 33 in the report somewhere on that. There was some corruption or something involved, but socialists have taken over Spain as extreme as if you go and really start to go there and actually hang around with people including no agenda listeners. You find there's a lot of really hardcore socialists sure that would love to run the country And I think they're taking over the place and it's gonna be interesting to see how they do well regardless It seems like globally The slaves are revolting. They may be misguided in some cases... I think it only put up with so much! Yeah, take the vote away from them you don't have to worry about this. Here's why i like Murica is

1:46:42 In all these countries, they'll do exactly that. They'll take the vote away, shut up there was no good, do over and they can get angry and you know we've seen in the UK in the 70s that the North came down with pitchforks and torches for real and were in the streets and were screaming but as long as the Second Amendment remains intact in United States, that won't happen! That's what that's why they want the guns gone is this is our final defense mechanism They know don't piss off the Americans because they bring something different to the party Yeah, you can do a lot more damage with a with weapons than you can yeah man with my bump stock. Yeah With a bump stock that you can with a pitchfork with my bump stock. Yeah Bump stop you get 3d print them then and then maybe we should have a quick

CHAPTER 36 / 60 Discussion

U.S. Steel and Aluminum Tariffs on the European Union

President Trump imposed significant tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from the European Union, prompting threats of retaliation from EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker. The EU plans to target American products like Harley-Davidson motorcycles and blue jeans in response to what they label as "pure protectionism."

tariffs· steel· aluminum· jean-claude juncker· trade war

1:47:37 Convo about the tariffs. Yeah, I think I have a pooper clip about the tariffs here. No is this no No, this is from Euronews about the new imposed steel and aluminum tariffs. Donald Trump is slapping tariffs on EU steel and aluminum imports kicking the block where it hurts. The move is now sparking... Where does it hurt really when you kick them? Is that supposed to be a kicking-the-balls comment or I'm not sure? You're trying to be funny there at Euronews. Donald Trump is slapping tariffs on EU steel and aluminum imports kicking the block where it hurts

1:48:13 The move is now sparking warnings that it could destroy Europe's steel industry, where prices could drop by up to 40%. Confirmation of the tariffs came to the European Commission President during a speech. In a statement Jean-Claude Juncker said that tariffs are protectionism pure and simple While the EU Trade Commissioner added, this is not the way we do business. In a tweet EU Parliament Group leader Manfred Weber said, We will not accept this highly regrettable decision without reacting. And that means there'll be extra duties on American imports into the EU

1:48:51 It spells uncertainty for businesses on both sides of the Atlantic, including Europe's steel sector. We need to take safeguard measures for the EU. We are at the front door of a trade war therefore we have to continue discussions and negotiations with the US that has to be done on political level because the European Commission is also planning other rebalancing measures, so it's not only about safeguards. The steel industry is big business in the EU It directly employs 320 thousand people producing 170 million tons of steel every year at more than 500 production sites

1:49:29 The US is the second biggest export destination after Turkey. 4.9 million tons of steel went there last year. US imports like jeans and Harley Davidson's have been earmarked for the EU retaliation Brussels will also now trigger a dispute settlement case at the World Trade Organization saying America is going against agreed international rules all this amid a worldwide gloss of steel and aluminium largely blamed on excess production in China. If those issues are going to be addressed, the United States will need to have the EU as an ally. And to be getting into a quarrel with the EU at the same time that we have a much bigger issue is tactically I would say wrong and strategically wrong." The EU says it doesn't want a trade war but it's difficult to see that now being averted. So I'm not very well schooled in all of this

CHAPTER 37 / 60 Discussion

Trump's Campaign Promises and Trade Negotiations

The hosts analyze President Trump's approach to trade, noting his tendency to follow through on campaign promises that traditional politicians typically ignore. They also mention the upcoming Mexican election and the potential victory of left-wing populist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO).

donald trump· trade policy· campaign promises· amlo· mexico

1:50:34 And I'll kind of give you my impression, and you can help me out. It appears that we were trying to negotiate with everybody but certainly the EU over the tariffs and I guess we didn't have any tariffs on steel and aluminum imports? I don't think we did, but you don't know because these stories are never that...they don't give us any real information. Well, actually put it in the show notes. So I did go to the FITUS.gov or something. There's a website for the import trade and there's some body responsible for it and you can look there's a lot of things we have import duties on wax is a big one I remember this when I wanted to, I saw the price of candles in the United States like holy crap this is you know a bag of tea light candles as you know ten bucks that's like one buck in Europe so there's no there's some protectionism going on there and the cotton and there's a bunch of things but probably not on steel and aluminum

1:51:33 And I guess we were in a negotiation conversation and it just dragged on. And then Trump said, OK, I'm tired of waiting and here you go boom! Here's your tax. I don't know, did they not expect him to follow through? He seems to follow through on a lot of other promises that he makes. This is the thing they're starting to note. I was listening to a bunch of these PBS guys going on and on about well why is he doing this? Well it's one of his promises yeah and the thing is his promise is that he put out on the campaign trail with...I don't know maybe one or two exceptions. I don't know what they are

1:52:13 He has got a checklist and I guess he was, since he's an amateur politician really. Yeah actually I think believes that if you promise something on the campaign trail, he has to deliver it as president. It's crazy! Nobody else thinks that way. I love the quote from... Otherwise we'd be out of, Obama take it to the bank. We wouldn't, would close down Guantanamo. Take that to the bank? I love the quote from – now, July 1st the Mexicans will have an election and according to polling the left-wing populist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador who is known as AMLO

CHAPTER 38 / 60 Discussion

Self-Help Books and the "Don't Tear My Sign" Metaphor

A personal anecdote describes a 1970s-era self-help metaphor where every individual carries an invisible "sign" representing their self-worth. The phrase "don't tear my sign" was used to describe people who attempt to diminish others' happiness or confidence throughout the day.

self-help· psychology· 1970s· metaphor· personality

1:52:53 He might become the new leader of Mexico and he has apparently slammed Mexico's current government as weak, and criticized his decision to retaliate rapidly against this week's US tariffs as short-sighted. If we fall into the trap of responding an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth... We're going to be one-eyed and toothless! An old joke. I never heard that one. That's a good phrase from The Shays. Very very old very old. Have you ever heard? Here's just the phrase from The Shays have you ever heard don't tear my sign Never now my parents there was some book in the it's gotta be the 70s

1:53:44 There's some self-help book. My parents were big into that, a lot of good it did They taught us this, that the book talked about everybody wakes up in the morning and they have a sign. You know like a protest sign on a stick but the sign says I'm me, I'm happy or whatever the goofy word was and throughout the day people tear at your sign you know they grasp away hence the phrase hey man don't tear my sign And I just grew up with that and I wondered if anyone else had ever heard that. I guess you haven't? I never heard it, but I do know there was a lot of these self-affirmation... Yeah what color is my parachute? That kind of stuff. Well, the people putting little post-it notes, You're great! Little notes all over the place to tell how great you are for real people who are obviously so

CHAPTER 39 / 60 Discussion

Thumbs Down Gesture as a Road Rage Alternative

A new strategy for dealing with aggressive drivers involves giving a "thumbs down" gesture instead of the traditional middle finger. The hosts argue that this non-aggressive signal is more confusing and psychologically impactful to the recipient, particularly in high-tension traffic environments like Austin or California.

road rage· thumbs down· traffic· psychology· austin

1:54:39 you know, depressed I guess as they're walking around. They have to go oh god... Oh the sign says i'm great! I wrote that this morning. I forgot that I am great! I'm gonna keep using that hey man don't tear my sign just because.. You know what? I've also come across a very effective something new and this really works tried it out once or twice if here's the situation someone cuts off in traffic what are most people do you flip them off Right? Not necessarily. Well, let's say that is one way to show your aggravation with the situation In California it is always risky Here is what I am now doing For whatever reason if someone says something and you want to flip them off instead of flipping them off You give him a thumbs down

1:55:27 And it really confuses people. Because they're like, wait... and actually it feels worse to them! Like you know because now with the Facebook like the thumbs up You give them a thumbs down. You don't have to say anything just give him a thumb's down. It's a Facebook meme But its in reverse so you give him a thumbs down and people go oh shit what? Oh, oh Try it I'd love to hear back from people. I like the idea, i think it's a good idea It's thumbs down instead of flipping the button. In California you don't want to flip your button or they'll shoot you. Yeah in Texas too! yeah but giving a thumbs down is not grounds for shooting no and and its kind of like oh we would be kinda baffling for somebody. And im bad. Why did you give me a thumbs down? Oh man he gave me a thumbs-down Im hurt. Im triggered bro. Yeah wanna thank Jesse for that He's a bicyclist

1:56:17 In Austin, he has to use the thumbs down a lot. He says it really works because if you flip someone off on the bike in Texas You're dead they will run over your one right into the ditch. You got an f-150 on your butt I mean you're done but the thumbs down confuses them like what it's like a brain freeze somehow not like it Yeah, yeah, I like it too. I usually just ignore these sorts of things so I was watching Kimmel He did one of those on the street things and this one I thought was pretty revealing. And at the same time, we know that they go out and ask 20 people a question and you know they take the one guy who's a complete idiot.

CHAPTER 40 / 60 Discussion

Jimmy Kimmel "Name a Book" Street Segment

A segment from Jimmy Kimmel Live highlights a Pew Research Center study claiming one in four Americans has not read a book in the past year. In a series of man-on-the-street interviews, several pedestrians—including a former librarian—struggle to name a single book title, often confusing movies with literature.

jimmy kimmel· literacy· pew research center· street interview· books

1:57:02 But that's the way you do this bit where you go on the street and ask something stupid. This one had way too many complete idiots, it seems to me. The clip is a little long but Kimmel went on the street and just asked people to name a book. If I say Adam name a book? Okay, you want me to name one? Yeah! Lost Connections I would say if somebody asked me to name one, I'd say War and Peace. Oh okay that's... whoo! Yes heady but okay. Yeah I can name a whole bunch. Brothers Care or whatever. Here is the book my most recent book is Automate the Boring Stuff with Python so yeah I read books

1:57:43 Yeah, no nerds came up with this. This is what we ended up with on the Los Angeles streets. You wonder with all these streaming and the apps and games are people still reading books? You remember books things from Oprah's Club so according to a recent study from the Pew Research Center almost one in four Americans has not read a book in the past year that actually seems high to me I bet it's even fewer than that. So to find out this afternoon we sent a team out to the street, to ask pedestrians to name a book any book could be the bible could be 50 shades of green. I love how people are already laughing because they know they can't name a book This is great! Great all he wanted to know was can you name a book and here's how that went

1:58:31 Can you name a book? Oh yes! I don't read but... What's it called? Can you name a book? No. Can you name a book? I'll try and read books. Yeah, that's it A book? The Lion King!

1:59:08 You read the book to like it? Yeah. Dang, hold on man I haven't even read a footnote. Let me think... Can we cut this and do it again? Can you name a book? A book, any book. The Jungle Book. It's not a book is it? It's a movie. Is it? Both. Are we sure? No. Do magazines count? No those wouldn't be books That's correct I can name Moby Dick

1:59:47 That's an artist. He wrote a book called Horse, I like that book. Moby Dick was the author? Yes And the book was Horse? Yes That's what I said What was the last book you read Um, probably Dr. Seuss? Dr. Seuss! Dr. Seuss... Dr. Seuss maybe? I haven't read a book for like 12 years. I'm drawing a blank. Geez, I need books! Sorry, I am totally blanking out on books What do you do for living? I was a librarian.

2:00:34 You deserve it for that Wow Wow. That's what I thought it was a little, yeah you can make a lot of fun out of this but this was out of control there were way too many people I mean i'm sure most people had an answer but the number of people that didn't have an answer is just astonishing to me If you ask any Noah Jender producer theres only one correct answer Atlas Shrug by Ayn Rand I guess so wow

CHAPTER 41 / 60 Discussion

California Gubernatorial Race and Anti-Gavin Newsom Ads

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings is reportedly funding high-quality attack ads against California gubernatorial candidate Gavin Newsom. The ads use subtle psychological framing to associate Newsom with negative traits, while the hosts critique Newsom's "political douche" persona and his history as Mayor of San Francisco.

gavin newsom· reed hastings· netflix· california· political ads

2:01:11 That is pretty bad. Yes, pretty pretty bad so we have an election going on here in California and this all Democrats running it We haven't you need to explain something because from what I understand you have some odd rule In California where it will be the top two contenders regardless of party This is called a circus or Scott's some specific name circuses right but that would the rule is During the primaries, you're gonna have Republicans and Libertarians Democrats. The top two vote getters are the two people put on the ballot. It could be to Republicans which is rare but it can happen in Southern California or could be two Democrats so that it should be two Democrats for governor. So they're going... They're trying to... They guys leading as this kind of a slick operator Gavin Newsom

2:02:01 Yeah, I've met the guy. Wasn't he mayor of San Francisco at one point? He was mayor of San Francisco now he's lieutenant governor or something and he very slick like a young Treat Williams Is he gay? No, no. He's the one who was married to Gilfoyle Oh right! Right same So yeah he is gay Okay gotcha Could be But he has... he is married to some other babe And you know he still wears You know he still hasn't gotten the word He's got the open shirt Open shirt? No T-shirt just an open

2:02:36 shirt down to the third button or something. He's like, hey! And he's got that, hey how you doing? Hey I'm Gavin. Hey babe. So he's got this-he looks like a...you know and he's got the hair of the whole... A classic douche He's a classic douche, but he's a political animal. A political douche! So he is leading the pack so they're going after him with these anti-Newsom ads and they are very good and if you look down at the list of who is promoting these anti Gavin ads The top name on there is Reid Hastings Oh from Netflix? Yeah Huh

2:03:14 So Reed Hastings is going after Newsom and he's got the, you know, he's got Hollywood because they produce all these things. He can call anybody. You can call Kevin Spacey in a heartbeat! He could call anybody and say hey Harvey Weinstein... so these are very slick and there's a bunch of them I'm gonna play this one There's about three but this one here is it just Excellent. We all know guys like Gavin boasting over selling his achievements making false claims as lieutenant governor he skipped many of his duties saying the job was so dull, He only shows up to work at the state capitol like one day a week tops The same Gavin who is mayor split town during a massive oil spill and jetted off

2:04:05 Hawaii. Gavin's not going to work as governor." Now the way this is what people don't realize, but this is a very subtle brainwashing tool. The way it starts off we all know guys like Gavin boasting making claims that they're associating him with Trump The beginning of this thing, you can play the beginning again. I want to hear that. This is a reference to Trump especially works in California but then said now I wanted mentioned this everybody running in California for anything is an anti-Trump ad oh the next superintendent schools he goes I don't want it we're gonna fight Trump and his hatred of schools or we're gonna fight Trump and everybody's going on and on about fighting Trump

2:04:53 but nobody has the skills. I mean, and you watch these ads you go are you running against Trump? What is your problem? And but nobody has the skills to do what the Reed Hastings group has done here which is association just subconsciously it's beautiful. Let's hear it again we all know guys like Gavin boasting overselling his achievements making false claims as lieutenant governor he skipped many of them Wow, that is good. And Hastings is a Democrat as far as I know Well, he doesn't. Yeah, he wants the mayor of Los Angeles this other guy, this Latino guy to win Villa Villanova for this guy can remember his name some long name but that he's yeah just a Democrat but he doesn't want Gavin Newsom who wants the other guy right and he's pulling this stunt in it is I'm watching these ads and I'm just good in awe of the way they've structure them to get to you know it's like oh yeah we got like that think its Trump is his name isn't

CHAPTER 42 / 60 Discussion

Visa Payment Network Outage and Cashless Society Risks

A major hardware failure in the Visa payment network caused widespread disruption across Europe, particularly in the UK and Sweden. The outage prevented consumers from purchasing food and medication, serving as a "dire warning" against the push for a completely cashless society and validating concerns about technological dependence.

visa· payment outage· cashless society· sweden· ted kaczynski

2:05:54 We hate Trump in California. I'd love for you to bring more of those, i'd love to hear more it's your beat Okay there is at least one good one and then ill look for others There was a fabulous Ted Pill moment the other day Yes, the war on cash continues. How's that working out for you Sweden? The Visa payment network went down I'm sorry there was a glitch

2:06:35 And although we did get an explanation, a hardware failure. Yeah that sounds reasonable if you're running the Visa payment network and your hardware breaks yeah ever hear backup failover all that stuff so clearly someone deployed some patch which broke a lot of stuff And I started getting text messages, people like holy shit you gotta see what's going on. And I just searched for the hashtag visa and I think the actual hashtag was poundvisadown And I mean in the UK this happened on a Friday, bank holiday. We've always been promised the bank holiday is when Armageddon would strike It came back up and they fixed it as a backlog but the problems people had... The biggest problem

2:07:27 The by far is we're shopkeepers and people at supermarkets who just could not process payment. And people would yell at them, There was cursing and yelling, throwing stuff and grabbing things I hadn't paid for and just leaving. You're not doing it right! People who had drinks and food but couldn't pay for it... people trying to get medication from their ailing grandmother who couldn't get the medication.... It was a real problem. This is just a taste of things to come. Thank you Professor Ted for teaching us The Book

2:08:08 Industrial Society and its Future. Another fine tome you might want to read, and I was surprised at how the response... people are really like how can this be? How can this happen? And it was all over Europe! Sweden was the worst Yeah, well if they go to cashless this is your problem. And then you know oh just go to the ATM Well how long were the lines? They were long! There were long lines and then the ATM runs out of money so he couldn't get any cash and it was for the weekend I mean if this is not a dire warning...and It's not like there's a lot of reporting on it here I mean I went looking on the YouTubes to find This is a gripe of mine Man If you could look for a video of a news report

CHAPTER 43 / 60 Discussion

Computer-Generated News Videos and SEO Gaming

The hosts express frustration with the prevalence of YouTube news videos that use computer-generated voices and scrolling text instead of human reporting. They argue that these low-quality videos are designed to game search engine optimization (SEO) algorithms, making it difficult to find legitimate video coverage of major events like the Visa outage.

youtube· seo· computer voice· news reporting· algorithms

2:08:52 You'll get just in the YouTubes and say, you know visa down something like that It gives you this whole slew of videos And they're all from Fox and NBC and all these online operations and not a single one of them is an actual news report it's just a video I hate these videos with with just text or worse a computer voice reading the story. What is wrong with you? Where does that come from? Why do people put these things up with a computer voice, can't they talk and have a mic. And somehow they game the SEO to such a degree that it's the top 100 is just all of these videos with words, with music or... You know, with words on the screen or with music. I hate it too! What's the point? Well you get the computer voice to read, you know, it's completely useless for the show obviously my biggest gripe about it

2:09:41 But holy moly and I have a clip here. This is of a UK millennial in a shop And it says about 50 seconds long and just listen to him not understanding what happened. The car machine, they don't work on our branch in Liverpool Street their car machines also don't work What happens is it goes in and says receiving from the server of course then it says it doesn't work so tries to reconnect a few times and then says not off Of course it's not the customer's card that is not riced, it just chooses to decide its own. We say it doesn't work and you can try still if you like but then we try get them pay with cash only a few customers they don't want to pay with cash because they have train to catch or just don't wanna

CHAPTER 44 / 60 Discussion

Coding Education and the "App Slave" Pipeline

A critique of modern computer science education suggests that children are being taught "app skills" to become "coding slaves" for major tech platforms rather than learning fundamental programming. The hosts advocate for a return to basic computer literacy and open-source principles to empower users to control their own technology.

coding· education· open source· richard stallman· bill gates

2:10:40 We don't know what the problem is. We assume probably it's servers or software, we don't know when it will end... Yeah, we don't know much about what's going on there." I dunno if it was a server or something you know the internet didn't work and uh-uh and and I realized a couple things When the personal computer revolution started, we were promised something. We were promised that you would be able to have the power of a computer in your home on your desk and you would be able to have it do things for you just create things with automated... This is actually interesting that I had that book with me on vacation The Automate The Boring Stuff With Python because if you learn how to at least one programming language

2:11:34 you can actually make almost any modern day computer do things for you. But it does require learning a language and what I realized is the idea of, you know the Girl Scouts or you know what's happening in Chicago teaching our children to code is on one hand really good because children learn how to code but what are they learning? And and the realization was In education, we have nobody in Washington and I'm just talking about America but I could say it's pretty broad across all governments Who understand how computers work and we have no advocates. Where is the open source advocate in Washington? Who is the person that is on the education board or in the committee saying put Richard Stallman in well No, what it's well That would be one extreme but the other extreme as Bill Gates knows let's have him run the program Or Cisco knows let's have them run the program

2:12:30 Google knows, let's have them run the program. It is beneath them! Yes it is but they're dumb and morons and what they are missing is that we are teaching these children to be coding slaves for the platform apps and all this crap that really brought us down to a dumb level of computer usage No app that you get today does exactly what you want it to do. You could actually create some program that does on your computer exactly what you wanted it to do, but that's not what they're being taught. They're being taught stupid app skills that'll be great if they put you into the factory at Google or the factory at Facebag

2:13:13 And we really need to have some advocates somewhere. Maybe there is, I just never see a report about it and now Richard Stallman is not the guy... he's not advocating for free software what he's talking about although you think his ideals are genuine and it's an important part but just We need a basics, basic understanding so children can actually harness the power of the computers and yes even the stupid phones they're carrying around incessantly to do stuff. To do stuff that's productive and forward-thinking and not just part of the slave app slave pipeline. It's disturbing. Play the pet peeve! Yes. I don't see Currys Pet Peeves all day

CHAPTER 45 / 60 Discussion

Crab Picking Labor Shortage and H-2B Visas

A discussion on the shortage of H-2B visas for seasonal workers clarifies the nature of "crab picking" as a high-skill, labor-intensive job that few domestic workers are willing to perform. The process involves meticulously removing small pieces of meat from boiled crab bodies, a task essential to the coastal seafood industry.

crab picking· h-2b visas· labor shortage· maryland· seasonal work

2:13:58 There you go. Falling on deaf ears as often the case. As usual, falling on deaf ears yes exactly yeah it's just like I found a note good from Dave Bosman who donated $200 237 cents and he's of course 37 means he doesn't want us to continue but i don't think that's what he really wants About busted a gut laughing when you guys were trying to figure out the last show what crab picking II is I believe one of you said it would be where you choose the best crabs out Of a net or trap. I don't know that he said that I think this would be crab choosing I grew up on the coast my father often put our crab pot Let's just back it up for one second this came out of the combo

2:14:51 that there were not enough H-2B visas apparently for cheap labor to come into these places where they have crab pickers, which is a high skill I think and it's hard work. It's not poorly paid is my understanding but there was no one else who wants to do the job and... Yeah bull crap! I grew up on the coast of my father often put out crab pots which were wire traps that caught crabs using a fish head in a roach hotel kind of entrance After we boiled the crabs, you broke open the bodies. Removed the guts and started crab picking which involved pulling out very small pieces of crab meat out of very small chambers." You have to consistently break up the crab body to get to the very small pieces of crab meat it's a pain in the ass and that's why no one in this country wants to do it. That's it

2:15:39 A few months, and I've gotten this note from other people saying that's what it is. It's just picking crap out like nobody wants to do it okay sure they got work apparently or they'd rather be homeless a few months ago my friend who owns the Cessna 182 Hey! My favorite This actually a privacy story does he want me not to read it? No. I think you just once...it's just a privacy story 1A2, that's for you Adam. He picked me up in my house in his car and he drove me to the airport where he flew us to Hilton Head South Carolina. He filed an IFR flight plan with the FAA where declared two souls on board. In Hilton head is wife picked us up in her car and drove us to an apartment she had rented it in her name over the weekend we went out to eat a few times I've always paid cash I never use my credit card The trip home was the same in reverse

CHAPTER 46 / 60 Discussion

Wi-Fi Beaconing and Retail Location Tracking

Retailers are increasingly using sophisticated Wi-Fi beaconing systems to track customers' movements within stores down to specific aisles. This data is then used to serve targeted advertisements, such as toothpaste ads after a customer visits the dental care section, leading to a recommendation to disable Wi-Fi when in public spaces.

wi-fi· beaconing· retail tracking· privacy· location services

2:16:27 Her kick car to the airport, plane back. No mention of my name to the FAA and his car back to my home This there's... The first time I'd visit Hilton Head in two weeks later I started receiving junk mail from Timeshare properties Yes! I had my iPhone with me and yes i have the Facebook app Creepy Okay this was another one of my revelations Here is what you must at all times do If you've ever been to the mall What you need to do is turn off your Wi-Fi when you're out of your house, and I'll explain why. If you've ever been to the mall... We have that here in Texas, I've seen it in New Jersey They have this outfit It's called some name like Tommy Wi-Fi or something Or Pete Wai...it's like some guys name And you can get free Wi-Fi in the mall You know? Oh! This is great! I got free Wi-Fi And you connect to it and I don't know if you had put your name and information there but you connect

2:17:22 The beaconing systems within retail become so sophisticated that if you are in the toothpaste aisle with your iPhone, you are likely to get crest ads later on somewhere because they triangulate your Wi-Fi right down to where you are in the aisle. And that's what happening. You were at a timeshare, guaranteed there was some WiFi beacon that was snooping around... Ah! There is somebody we've got his iPhone ID can we connect that to facebag or one of the other millions of trackers out there and thats how you're gonna get these ads I think that is really what going on A lot of this is WiFi so you gotta keep your WiFi off

CHAPTER 47 / 60 Discussion

No Agenda Peerage and International Donor Roll

The hosts read through a list of international donors from the Netherlands, Spain, and Germany, acknowledging their contributions to the show's operation. They highlight the "Wi-Fi Knight" in Amsterdam and discuss the "traditional Dutch birthday circle" as a cultural anecdote shared by a producer.

netherlands· spain· germany· peerage· donation

2:18:05 And he finishes with, thank you for everything you guys do. I cannot begin to tell you how much your podcast means to me even though they put the 37 cents on it. Means to me, I hope I can thank you in person someday but if not please know there are thousands like me! No jingles no karma. All right thank you very much for your courage. I'm gonna show my school by donating to KnowAgenda imagine all the people who could deal with us oh yeah that'd be fab. We have a few people to thank. Mark McClain for the last two shows, I want to mention that so it's going to run long with Warren and the affiliates. Mark McLane in Palmyra Tennessee 10138 keep going he says get the 38 in there. Sir Torialta Baronet of Glen Ellen and Slonoma 10101 keep up the good work Von Glitchka

2:19:04 $100.38, now he was a bit of slew these are all $100 and 38 cents from Glitch Guy Robert Deeter in Sacramento anonymous Sean Wilkie 101-38 Baron Latiquin in Houston Texas Werner Flipson and that's the end of it. Werner Flipson need to point out he is our Wi-Fi knight if you're in Amsterdam shoot me an email. Wi-fi night John Robinet 100 Plano Bob in Staten Island New York 100

2:19:46 Lon Baker 100. Yi-Chio Ren, 8838. I'm sorry, Yi-Chio Ren's a hundred, sorry. Stephen Curtis is 8838. Sir Brent the Trusted Integer in Westminster Maryland 8638. Interesting that trusted integer throws a floating point at us but okay. Yeah! Yeah? I've been reading the book Sir Kerry's in Somerville, Massachusetts 8338. Oleg Nike and Ikeenie I'm guessing or Nikeen 8338 Antonio Sanchez-Godinez from Spain 8038 need job karma we'll have to put some at the end for you Jim Watts 8038 yes to boobs also no agenda sir James of the mountains

2:20:45 Alejandro Merce lunch, I'm thinking. Another Spaniard from Spain in Barcelona as a matter of fact 80...I think he's the one who told us not to pronounce it improperly. 8008 boobs! Now i put two specific easter eggs two separate ones the first time I've ever done that in The Last Newsletter and what? We got 180 donations. Only one lone boob! And this could have been done on, you know we may not even gotten it from the Easter egg I think they were so blown away by the Elvis pics No no the last newsletter didn't have Elvis Oh okay sorry your right Your right Uh...I like that fat Elvis That was my favorite I mean we're not talking about fat We're talking about a guy with a really big, big eye

2:21:38 Robert Robertson, Medford Oregon 76.38 Sir Andy $75 in Tacoma Washington S Lewis 75 David Bamford by the end Lewis is from the UK David Bamford from Australia 75 he has never donated so I want to see you've been d douche Jonathan Reisman in Maplewood, Missouri 7338. Paul Von Cordelar in U-Medin. You know how to do this come on the I and the J Oh it looks like a u here yeah that means yee-medin what is it again? No its I Mauden

2:22:34 Sir God, Sir God Nate. I feel like an idiot. Sir God Nate in Sebastopol California 6969 and Brandon Shipley in Covington Washington 6938 John Hawley in Blaine Minnesota 6938 Sir Johnny of the Swamp Night Washington DC So Johnny the Swamp Knight, that's good. Bert Brusen is 66 from the Netherlands also in the Netherlands would be Bert Brusen. Yes and he and you know a lot of people are coming to us from Bert and Roderick, the TPO podcast in The Netherlands, you know Roderick... This is Bert!

CHAPTER 48 / 60 Discussion

TPO Podcast and QAnon "Psy-Op" Discussion

The hosts acknowledge the success of the TPO Podcast in the Netherlands and its host Roderick Veelo. They also address persistent listener inquiries regarding QAnon, with one host stating his conviction that the movement is a "psychological operation" (psy-op) designed to manipulate public attention.

tpo podcast· roderick veelo· qanon· psychological operation· msm

2:23:13 Oh, it is Bert. Oh it is Bert! Holy shit but I've seen more come in from who have listened to the TPO podcast which I think is very successful and happy for him you know my buddy Roderick Falow who's an M5M guy with a podcast and he's doing very well we appreciate it and hope they do extremely well They're taking a cue from you Sir Chris Abraham in Arlington, Virginia 6538. Sir Lucas of the Lost Bits 6432. Eric Rosenboom. Rosenboom? Rosenboom and Krempen Andelek. Very good!

2:23:50 63 69 he has a 49th birthday will be He says of course we'll be sitting in the traditional Dutch birthday circle complaining about all things people like to complain about Yes, the topic will be the energy the energy transition from trusty natural gas to whatever keeps us warm and the mobile phones charged Uh-huh gases going away there. Yep Melchior von der Decken in Czechoslovakia. Where's CZ? Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic. I think it's Melchior. Yeah, Czech Republic. Melchior von der Dekken 6038 keep it going he says Thomas Novak in Hudson Hickson Tennessee 6006 a small boob Robert Bruckner 5555 Boaz L

2:24:44 Yeah, this is not my expertise. He's from Kuwait. He says God spare Kuwait from war! Yes we want no war. Fawaz thank you. Yeah we need more... yeah send some reports in Travis Sterns recipes from the Middle East are good too. Travis Stern 5538 Ivar van der Veld Job's karma for you at the end. 5510 Sir Tom Dari in De Forest, Wisconsin 5510 Sir Gabe $55 bucks in San Francisco, San Francisco.

2:25:22 James Moore in San Pablo, California 53-38. Eric Hochel in Mulrose, Deutschland 52 Max Turnquist in Somerville Massachusetts 51 38 Kevin Kelly 51 love the show MSM are exposed now so that's why your audience is diminishing what Okay, Terry talk more about Q to attract the next wave of donors On the next show on the next show I'll talk about Q and how you were all part of one big sigh op Yeah. Yes. I would like you to do that because we haven't but ten people who harass us about QAnon yeah Which is what we're discussing here constantly

CHAPTER 49 / 60 Discussion

Final Donor Credits and Midterm Election Predictions

The final segment of donor credits includes contributors from Germany, Australia, and Las Vegas. One donor predicts that financial support for the show will increase following the U.S. midterm elections, while others request "de-douching" ceremonies for themselves or acquaintances.

midterm elections· germany· australia· las vegas· donations

2:26:12 Yeah, I'm pretty convinced this is a psychological operation. And I think I have enough evidence. Terry Clark 5038 Derek Boggs Bogs 5038 these are all these are all 50 38 i'm going to go over them these are all votes for the show Roger Esty, Tyler Hebb in Melrose Massachusetts. David Rosa, Damian Curry your buddy? Your brother? William Cornell he's in Australia. William Cornell 5038 Courtney Vandenberg and she's in Deutschland no keep going she says could be a guy by that name

2:26:53 Stephan Eret in Philbach, Deutschland. A lot of Deutschlands today that's nice! We got a lot of Deutschlanders here today. Hello Deutschland here is the Hoff! Dame Tanya Wayman in New York City please continue the show and thanks to Ramsey Cain for including my clip Colton Comer in Johnston Colorado Andre Israel in Myrtle Beach South Carolina Mark Drinkwater can you hear the siren? Yes I can Mark Drinkwater in Inglewood, Taranaki New Zealand.

2:27:33 She's a fire, I guess. Ray Jacobson! Sir Ray Jacobson, I believe? He wants a douchebag call out for Brian Crows and my brother Ronald Jacobsen. Hey 5038. Sir Austin of the Snowy Cascades in some mamish Washington. Laura Wilson, 5038 Jackson Butler Sir Hay Moose in Mooresville, North Carolina. Victor Greg in Decatur Georgia. This is for two shows by the way I want to remind everybody Matthew Derny 5038 David Hawes 5038 He says they've been out of town OTG well good for him Herb Lamb sir herb lamb 50 38 Jason Zeisler 50 30 ages sir James and lust wages Nevada

2:28:28 Steeler Grommel in Planned Pleasant, New Jersey. Alexa Delgado keep the show going she says Stephan Tuckney in Littleton, Colorado. Who wants to come clean and says he's been listening since late 2016 but now just donating for the first time so... You've been de-douched! Thank you very much they're on a tight budget and they still came through we appreciate that Chris Bingham in Louisville Kentucky Jeff Coleman in Winona Minnesota Scott Fuller in Cumming Georgia Ian

2:29:09 Comunale, communi- commu- ah it's like in Italian I betcha. Communale we'll say. Uh Miles Comer i think he is a sir. Cole Candler in Lynchburg Virginia There are alot of Lynchburgs that's funny. Allen Huffman in Urbandale Iowa has a call out for Troy and Ames Iowa as being man overboard and douchebag. Good call. Baron Mark Tanner finishes the list from Whittier, California at 5038. Gregory Ciesla $50 and one cent now we got a fifty dollar donors name and location Scott E Knight in lost wages. A lot of Vegas sites that's good. Sir Josh Defabo parts unknown

2:29:59 Dennis Brown in Rhinelander, Wisconsin. Bradley Ledin, parts unknown Michael Levin Michael Robinson in North Melbourne Victoria Australia Tyler Schimpf in Bothell Washington and last on the list for shows 1038 and 1039 is Nils Bonneker in Hamburg Deutschland Deutschland! And Jeff Coleman from Winona Minnesota nuts 5038 says keep on money will flow better after midterms call out Jenna Jansen as a douchebag thanks he says all right and we thank all of you appreciate that it's nice showing thank you very much thank you for your courage and obviously want to thank everybody came in under $50 many of those are sustainers

CHAPTER 50 / 60 Discussion

Sir Shumi and Pirelli World Challenge Racing Success

Sir Shumi, a "mercenary of the racetrack," reports on his team's success in the Pirelli World Challenge at Lime Rock Park, attributing their podium finishes to "No Agenda karma." Despite being sponsored by the cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike, the team managed to secure first and third-place finishes in the GTS class.

pirelli world challenge· racing· gt4· crowdstrike· lime rock park

2:30:53 We love the sustainer we love the Sustainers and if you like the show You might love this show and I picked up one from under 50 from sir shumi mercenary of the racetrack. I wanted to share Night karma pays off. I just donated 33 38 2 Thank you for the good karma that it got from becoming a knight I Donated previously to gain Karma for winning races in the Pirelli world challenge And our shop just took part in our first ever Pirelli World Challenge race at Lime Rock Park in Connecticut. I actually drove there once, uh...I think i got my starting license there at MTV days and we stormed pole position! Turk took first on race one and third on race two due to mechanical setback our odds at best were for a top 10 finish but somehow he managed to beat some of the best GT4 cars in the country to get the top spot

2:31:42 I can't help but think this is in no small part due to a no agenda karma. I've included a few pics of our car, which is gorgeous! I don't see any... No agenda? Stickers on it. I sent him a note back asking him to put a no agenda sticker somewhere on the car He says, I've included few pics of our car There's a mandatory series sponsor that we have to have on all the cars It's none other than the pew-pew guys themselves Crowdstrike who aren't really put the no agenda sticker right? Right under those aren't the pew-pew guys but we hate them just as much Yeah definitely put it underneath there If anyone's interested to see our performance, it airs on CBS Sports June 6 at 9 p.m Eastern Time or just search the YouTubes for World Challenge Round 5 or 6 GTS Class Thank you again Hopefully more good results to come from Road America! Thank you for your courage Sir Shumi Mercenary of the Racetrack Thank you very much and we love that We've always had

2:32:36 a large contingent of producers in racing teams. We've got the motorcycle racing, we have the no agenda racing I don't know what happened to those guys...I think this is a different class though that the GTS cars are... Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with the classes one of those SCCA I'm sure yeah but they're cute there's short like little short Le Mans cars kind of what they look like i like them it's nice fun to drive! Yeah exactly come to Austin, Dakota Circuit of the Americas, let's drive. Some notes here from Eric DeShill. There is a NOA Agenda meetup June 8th in Chattanooga. Contact at Tom Novak on noagendasocial.com aka tomradtominov

CHAPTER 51 / 60 Discussion

Birthday Announcements and Peerage Title Changes

The hosts announce several birthdays within the "Gitmo Nation" community, including a three-year-old named Amalia. They also formalize a title change for Sir Colin Sloman, who has reached the rank of Baronet Horatio of Arabia within the show's listener hierarchy.

birthdays· peerage· baronet· gitmo nation· amalia

2:33:19 And we look forward to that and I again, am going to reiterate my pledge for a Texas meetup very soon in the Austin area. Thank you all again! We've got some Jobs Karma and of course please remember that we have a show coming up on Thursday. We'd love to have your support at devorak.org slash n-a. Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs You've got karma. Alright, here's your list for today! We congratulate Sir David Fugazotto Andy Cantrell who turned 50 on the 30th of May Rory Buska 33 on May 31st Ryan McWerther- McWorder Who turns 35 today as does Eric Rosenbaum He celebrates his 49th birthday Then we have

2:34:16 Steven Janosik, he says happy birthday to his smoking hot wife. Dwight Chick to his niece Amalia she turns three today and baby sister Eleanor a brand new human resource we welcome her to the universe and Gitmo Nation And Douglas Chick also says happy birthday to Dwight Chick He turns 30 years today Happy Birthday from everybody here at The Best Podcast in the Universe! Wooo okay We have Now, Ramsey... Sir Ramsay Cain was already a knight. Correct? I mean otherwise we wouldn't call him sir. I always thought so! Yeah i'm pretty sure that we've already knighted him but he did request because he thanked us for it well we thanked him for you know putting together specials and he said all I want is steel reserve and blackened mild's at the round table uh so let me add that right what do you know you do or don't

2:35:14 Don't know what he's talking about okay. I have no idea either, but we should we're adding it to the list It's a he's a knight so that's what we do here That's right, title change. Sir Colin Sloman has reached the level of baronet and hereby changes his title to Baronet Horatio of Arabia! Thank you very much for your support of The No Agenda Podcast and that will be reflected on all Peerage maps Gitmo-wide itm.im slash peerage or dvorak dot org slash peerage dot html uppercase

2:35:54 And thank you again, and we look forward to the support we can get for Thursday's program as we come back with more deconstruction. Let's see... It was one of those things- Before I go on, I do want to read a note that refers to some earlier points that you were making regarding or one of our guys was making regarding listening in. This is from Keith Ray. John and Adam, first of all in the morning. I haven't written for a while, I've been devoted listener since 2008. Had an experience in the car yesterday while listening to Audible And while it may just be an incredible coincidence, it might be something very disturbing. I had my kids in the car and decided to start listening to Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court. In the early part of chapter one when the yankee finds himself back in time meeting the knight for the first time he explains that he is from Hartford, Connecticut. Of course the Knight says he has never heard such a place Now for the weird part within five to ten seconds of the word Hartford, Connecticut being spoken

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Cross-Pollination Advertising and Audible Tracking Claims

A listener report describes a disturbing coincidence where a telemarketing call from Hartford, Connecticut, arrived seconds after the city was mentioned in an Audible audiobook of Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court." The hosts discuss this as potential evidence of advanced cross-pollination in digital advertising and surveillance.

audible· mark twain· telemarketing· hartford· cross-pollination

2:36:58 I get a call from the telemarketer from Hartford, Connecticut. I could not remember what they were selling me as it mistakenly hung up before getting details. I did go back and check my Verizon bills. I have no other calls from Connecticut this last 12 months and I live in New Orleans by the way maybe it's nothing but maybe the cross-pollination advertising is even further along than I thought Yeah, there you go. Well they're listening people the solution is to go OTG off the grid and I am working now on publishing a document that will help you with this to some degree but CNBC and i'm sure this is just uh You know it's all about stock stuff But they've had a number of interviews regarding smartphone addiction

2:37:47 I have two clips here, which i'd like to share yeah, this is a follow-up clip Yeah, and they have this of course it's something. I've been looking at you now. I've also seen this you've witnessed certain in particular women Really? Have the addiction that this first one is what we already have We saw that the Google's came out and they were coming up with your digital wellness So you can see what apps you use too much. Does anybody think of this as a tether? Well, I'm walking around my folding my phones and when talking to the women out there who do this

2:38:24 Don't you think this is like a tether? It's like you're a slave. You might as well have something around your neck and long leash. Well addiction is a serious problem, you can be addicted to gambling, you can be addicted to drugs, you can be addicted to many things and I truly believe in addiction. I think Silicon Valley the tech companies Know this and they may not have set out to make it that way, but they certainly discovered it and Actually there's I have a clip in a minute from a former Google design and ethicist Well actually then. I think my clips should play first okay Which one is it yes using kids all bet yeah? I think so Jimmy Lucas takes a look at how they're dealing with their kids oh

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Silicon Valley Tech Titans Restricting Children's Device Access

A CBS News report highlights that many tech executives in Silicon Valley, following the examples of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, strictly limit their own children's access to technology. These "tech titans" express concern over potential links between heavy device usage and rising teen suicide rates, anxiety, and the loss of social skills.

silicon valley· bill gates· steve jobs· teen suicide· screen time

2:39:09 In Silicon Valley, devices are an essential part of daily life. But many of the tech titans creating these products choose to power down when they leave the office following industry giants like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs who restricted their own kids access to technology at home Pierre Laurent has worked for companies including Microsoft and Intel. He says the tech industry designs products to hook users. Do you think the average parent is aware of that danger? No, I don't think the parents are aware of that. Pierre and his wife Monica became concerned that their three children would miss out on real-life experiences while on their devices

2:39:47 Researchers are still learning more about how technology affects kids, but some early studies of heavy tech users show potential links to a rise in teen suicide rates addiction anxiety and loss of social skills. None of the three children played video games or watch TV and they didn't get cell phones until they were teenagers Their 13 year old daughter Maya spends her free time knitting and playing in the backyard Did you ever miss technology? really know. The only thing I might miss technology for is listening to music or an audiobook. Every parent is really struggling with how to reap the benefits of technology while minimizing some of the risks

2:40:28 Caroline Knorr is the senior parenting editor for Common Sense Media, a non-profit that studies the effect of media and technology on kids. They recommend paying close attention to kids' demeanor while using their devices and creating a schedule with guidelines on the types of tech activities they can do and for how long For Monica and Pierre, the hope is that a tech-free childhood will lead to more balance later in life. Young children need to grow in a different environment that doesn't have that much technology in it. Jamie Yukas, CBS News Silicon Valley Yes spot on as we were traveling you know you got some downtime at the airport and your just observing and you'll see parents shut their kids up here take the iPad here take my phone

CHAPTER 54 / 60 Discussion

Nokia E71 Selfie Mirror and Digital Health Tools

An anecdote about attempting to take a selfie with a vintage Nokia E71—which features a small physical mirror rather than a front-facing camera—leads to a discussion on upcoming "digital health" features from Apple. The hosts remain skeptical of using technology to solve the problem of technology addiction.

nokia e71· selfie· digital health· apple· wwdc

2:41:16 You can have all this hoity-toity. We're gonna let me watch what our kids are doing But actually the old adage holds true in this one we need an updated version of this What are you doing? She was full, I could tell. Come on she's not full! Ah shit that's the wrong one. Damn it failed what we need is...I learned it by watching you okay? That's what we need because what's happening is the children are watching your behavior and they're emulating that It was actually very funny You know uh... What's that clip you played? I don't know it was wrong

2:41:53 It was very wrong. So we're at the beach and I'm like, okay let me take a selfie because i've got the Nokia E71 it has a 3.2 whopping 3.2 megapixel camera when you want to take a selfie hold it reverse because there's no front-facing camera there's actually a little mirror one of those um like a little bulbous type thing so you can just see what you have in the shot but it's uh do you know what i'm talking about? A little mirror Yeah, pretty much a mirror. You're looking at the screen somehow. You're not looking at the screen you just actually looking at a mirror there's a mirror on the back of the phone next to the camera very tiny bulbous piece of shiny metal and use that to see okay I'm kind in the shot

2:42:40 Oh, I see. And then so the picture's taken and I hand it to Tina and the first thing she does is she tries to pinch and zoom on the screen! It was like no that really won't work. Doesn't work on half the smartphones half of time either. That's true that's true But this addiction is a growing problem. And Apple, I guess has their worldwide developers conference today's weekend or Monday? I don't know exactly when and they will be coming out to where the Googles have their digital wellness Apple will be bringing you digital health.

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Tristan Harris and the Ethics of Attention Maximization

Former Google design ethicist Tristan Harris argues that tech companies are fundamentally misaligned with democracy because their business models rely on maximizing user attention. The hosts discuss the "drug dealer" irony of tech companies providing tools to help users spend less time on their platforms.

tristan harris· google· attention economy· ethics· digital wellness

2:43:28 Might point out this guy is an app developer. So he's he's definitely we are We have to be careful, or we have to help out but listen to how all in he really is It collides really well with the technology and these companies reflect that information To us to live a visit better physical life They have all the data and Apple's at the core of this And so does Google who across all the platforms understand our digital lives? And they should be able to give us back a pretty detailed, but not overly detailed view of a day in the life of your son. I love that! Pretty detail but no too detailed just pretty details just give us little bit please

2:44:04 Please, oh please overlords of a user. So what are your physical habits? What are your digital habits so that you can then see it and then understand if you're doing what you want to do or if you need to adjust something Now I'm in favor of us having the same data on ourselves that the companies have on us certainly but it seems like their solution is also part of the problem should we be relying on technology to tell us when we've had too much technology or do we need to just sort of physically put the phone down when we get home and talk to the kids? And actually physically put that thing away without technology telling us we need to. I think it's a matter of personal choice and family choice

2:44:44 And so there's different ways of dealing with these this situation, you know If people decide they want to always have devices at the table around it the family table So be it. You know I'm you know, I'm not gonna beat I'm not gonna go tip or gore here on this but same time we need to have the tools so that our families and our individuals right, to be able to you know maintain and monitor what's going on in and try to strike the right balance. And so yes I do think that in certain times there's the devices should go away and other times a device it should be there because they're powerful tools. We cannot...we don't have the tools to control our environment today

2:45:21 And if you're an addict the best thing you can do is get out of the environment But these tools are very powerful and very important for our education For our work lives or livelihoods as well as for doing transactions in living in the world So we need to be able to rest control back To the users so they can decide what they want to do with their lives and with their families Yeah, good luck with that. I think the key of that was yeah We should have this a would have your drug dealer help you get off the drugs? I'm sure that's gonna work really well This clip is from that we've played clips from the common-sense media guys before I think the main guy's Jim Steyer. He's he's an Apple investor and one of his group is Tristan Harris who was this former design ethicist at Google

CHAPTER 56 / 60 Discussion

California Bot Legislation and Internet of Things Regulation

Three new bills in California aim to regulate the digital landscape by requiring the labeling of social media bots, funding research into cell phone addiction, and regulating the "Internet of Things." The goal is to provide transparency so users know if they are interacting with a human or a machine and to give them more control over their personal data.

bots· california· legislation· internet of things· data privacy

2:46:09 And this is a little longer clip, but they start off with the... and I guess there's three different bills now being proposed in California to stop the addiction. Which really you need to take a whole different tact, I think, to stop someone who's addicted to something. And the first thing they want is that bots need to be labeled You need to know if you're conversing with a bot on social network and from there it gets into some of these addiction issues. And so, if we need this to be an honest... If this is about the public square or the integrity of the public square The idea is to clearly label just like Blade Runner right? We don't want human impersonation where you think your talking to a human being but its actually a robot I mean he could be a robot

2:46:52 You need to be able to actually clearly label that he's a robot, if he is one. And there are really three pieces of legislation The bot bill in California is transparency and democracy So you can tell that this message was sent to you by a bot based in Russia or whatever That should be required everywhere Number two, the marketing bill is talking about research Whose job is it to verify that there are humans on the platform and that the robots are correctly labeled? The companies. Because in the past, okay its the company's job. In the past the companies have said hey we're just a platform. Facebook Twitter whoever's coining nope thats baloney

2:47:29 No, we will not accept that. And the law is written so they are held responsible for identifying that The Markey bill is a research bill Hey we're conducting the biggest social experiment in real time on our kids and on ourselves when it comes to cell phone addiction and behavior and there's no research So thats just a basic research bill That should have been done years ago but needs to be done The third major piece of legislation we have is a bill that would regulate the internet of things. You know, Talking Barbie your toaster that takes your data Alexa Google Home all these devices in your home and kitchen that are sucking up your data That should be made so that the public has the ability to decide what data they give up and have control and express consent over how they give up their data

2:48:17 Those are the beginning of a thoughtful, common-sense regulation of this area. Look, the tech companies provide great benefits to society when used appropriately and wisely but there are real downsides and everybody in your audience knows that because they're addicted to their phones and concerned about some of the fallout so what we're calling for is a more balanced approach and there is a role for common sense legislation and regulation when it comes to the broader tech industry. about

CHAPTER 57 / 60 Discussion

Amazon's Expansion into the Advertising Network Business

Amazon is rapidly expanding its advertising business, leveraging the massive amount of consumer data it collects through Whole Foods, Audible, and its primary retail platform. The hosts express alarm at the level of detailed profiling Amazon can perform, combining purchase history with entertainment and dietary habits.

amazon· advertising· whole foods· audible· data profiling

2:49:22 set of consequences when you shape people's attention through design. And I was calling attention to the fact that we have these cognitive biases and the technology is often exploiting how our minds work, and so we have to get ahead of this because we've seen that the incentives of tech companies which are to maximize attention are not the same as what we need in our public square democracy. In fact they're fundamentally misaligned We have to get very serious that advertising is misaligned with democracy when it comes to technology platforms So I have two things about this. One is that you know the dream, the promise of you're gonna get the right ad at the right time that's tailored for you now besides the fact that really hasn't happened unless of course your being spied on and you visit a condo place and all sudden your getting timeshare ads

2:50:18 I just lost my train of thought. Oh, yes The ads that we receive aren't just an ad that says hey buy this product the ads themselves are filled with tracking Which is you know You can get the wash to the woppa woppa whoppa which i don't read anymore because of the paywall of screw them I don't care it's hard to get and it's hard to scrape it too You can buy a subscription, you have different subscriptions. Like oh well we'll give you an ad that has no third-party trackers so that you're paying for it you get an ad which is okay you get a newspaper you get an ad but the ad is tracking you now That I think is a basic problem and that needs to be addressed Well I think that's what Brave addresses It does...it certainly does And I love the Brave browser for that very reason

2:51:00 But here is my... I discovered, like big discovery but i read something on vacation and it freaked me out. Amazon is now going into the advertising business. In fact, without us knowing it they already do a billion dollars a quarter in advertising this is I now am I'm a little freaked out because the profile Amazon has on me besides having all my payment information being able to get my credit card details from Equifax whoever else will hand over visa directly I don't know to understand my purchase behavior Which all you really need is the credit card statement to know what someone does, but they know what I buy on Amazon. They know what movies I watch on Amazon Prime. They know if I listen to Audible. They know what books I read now that they've bought Whole Foods they know what I eat

2:51:53 And now they're going into advertising? Fuck these guys. No way, I'm out! I've gotta go to cash and I can't buy- They've been advertising for as far as i can tell years When you do a search it always says sponsored products and they have two or three of them at the beginning But they are going to do an Ad Network if they're not already. So, not just stuff to buy on Amazon but you can go to them because they have complete profiles on everybody very detailed extremely detailed this is a big problem I can't be apart of that. Well then give up on it! That's what i'm saying and of course im going to give up on it. It should be in the book Now I want say something about that last clip you played

CHAPTER 58 / 60 Discussion

Automated Helper Bots and Cold Turkey Addiction Breaks

The hosts discuss their interactions with automated "helper" bots and the difficulty of enforcing bot-labeling laws. They conclude that the only effective way to break smartphone addiction is to go "cold turkey" and move "off the grid" (OTG) by using devices that do not provide constant notifications and updates.

bots· turing test· addiction· smartphone· off the grid

2:52:43 First of all, I think it begins with just like Blade Runner. Yeah which immediately tells me this guy's an idiot They mentioned his bots yeah we've got to do something about them By the way i got one of those calls again and I wish I had recorded because that was when I was upstairs Of the robot girl This is not as good as the original robot girl I've heard, but this was okay and I asked her if she was a bot. And she says oh yeah, you get some bogus excuse. Is that what she said? Kind of and then she...I said well you're a bot! When i said it the second time that she just hung up on me

2:53:23 So I got to remember not to do that. Anyway, what I'll do instead is ask personal questions. What do you look like? What are you wearing? Hey baby, what are you wearing? A bot! So this guy with his bot thing he said...I'm thinking as soon as he says it somebody did kind of mention how'd you enforce this? How important is it that so some bot girl calls me up on a phone or I've got one of those Most of the tech companies have these, hi I'm your automated helper. Uh-huh? I don't see this being any sort of a big deal ever and then you have enforcement who's gonna enforce it You got what set up an agency to bot cops or what are you gonna do and then what's my penalties There's no penalties the whole thing is bullcrap find something else to bitch about

2:54:10 Well, of course. Yeah that's but that was I just put that in there because it kind of led into everything But yeah, of course is bullcrap. They mean for all I know you're a bot I don't know if I'm talking to a real person I could be a bot I have will hang up if you could choose me being a bot Hey John what are you wearing? Underwear Anyway, so when I say OTG that's what this is about we have to give up the phones and my going OTG was not So much about it was about addiction really now. I realized that you know all these little pings and blips and blops and stuff popping up And it just it's just impossible when you have a phone that won't do that for you And you can look all you want but it's not gonna you're not gonna give you the latest update

CHAPTER 59 / 60 Discussion

Puerto Rico Death Toll and Thursday Show Preview

The hosts preview upcoming topics for the Thursday program, including new data on the Hurricane Maria death toll in Puerto Rico and the status of negotiations with North Korea. They also mention a story involving an Uber driver shooting a passenger before signing off with their traditional closing.

puerto rico· hurricane maria· death toll· north korea· uber

2:54:59 That is how you break addiction. You've got to quit you gotta go cold turkey, you gotta Go all the way and that is just another one of our life-saving tips here at the no agenda show And for Thursday I have some Get to it today. I got some info on the Puerto Rico deaths that I want to discuss I get a short short clip what do you want to play in the end of show music? You wanna play the clip It's very short Which one Since Puerto Rico did deaths. Well if we're gonna do that then I have to do the one I said, I'm just saying I'm gonna move this up Oh I see well you said when... I got a 10 second clip You could actually play it with the outro but No but let's do this on Thursday

2:55:43 Okay, and we'll play your 10-second clip on Thursday now. I do have a want to talk on my Thursday show I want to talk too about the no co negotiations are on again off again on again Yep there on again as that we expected yeah, and what else do I have on here? It's gonna be a jam-packed Thursday show an uber driver shot a passenger Thanks to a brand new mixologist, Jack on Fire bringing us a nice end of show mix and Sir Chris Wilson has a little replacement anthem for us. And again on Thursday we'll be back and we'll bring you the NoCo's... ...and we'll bring you the Uber's and the Puerto Rico's! And anything else that takes place because after all it is a show day you never know what happens

2:56:32 And we want you to remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA I am coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas We are the capital of the drone star states here in FEMA region 6 on all governmental maps and the 5x9 Cluedio in the common law condo In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm sitting on all these Louie Louie recordings... ...I'm John C. Dvorak You gotta send me a USB stick man, I wanna have your whole collection as a backup yeah? As a backup We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda. Until then, as always... Adios! Mofos? I need a cab. A cab. Black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black,

CHAPTER 60 / 60 Discussion

Pedestrian Safety and "Wear White at Night" Campaign

In a final "life-saving tip," the hosts discuss the high rate of pedestrian accidents occurring at night. They argue that many of these incidents are caused by pedestrians wearing all-black clothing on dimly lit streets and urge listeners to "wear white at night" to ensure visibility to drivers.

pedestrian safety· traffic accidents· visibility· life-saving tips· outro

2:57:41 75% of it happens at night because people are wearing all black. I don't know about you, I don't know about you... Give me a break! You can't see a person wearing all black on a very dimly lit street at night When i was a kid and so you can't see nobody so these are accidents You can't see a person wearing all very dimly lit street at night

2:58:22 They make this comment, 75% of these accidents happen at night. They all wear black! You can't see a person wearing ALL black on a very dimly lit street at NIGHT? I don't know about you... You missed my lecture apparently if you paid no attention to it when i played those clips. And so you can't see them no wonder there's so many accidents Black. You can't see a person wearing all black on a very dimly lit street at night, is what it gets me. Professor Ted knows better! And so you can't see him no one else will use their access. All of those people are dead. All of those people are dead. They're dead. It's a huge number

2:59:29 Because people are wearing all black outfits. I recall driving up and down, you know the local streets at night. I did it a number of times. All black! But they didn't get away with it? Black... When I was a kid, I was a kid. Black, black, black. Yeah don't worry about that. You know, if they throwed running gas because I always pulled the street this way. Wearing white as hell. White, white, white. A pet peeve of mine emerges from this clip. Pedestrian deaths. You can't see a person wearing all black on a very dimly lit street at night. On an earth dimly lit street at night

3:00:31 Wear white at night. Wear white at night. White, white, white... Wear white. Don't wear white at night! Nobody wears white they all wear black and so you can see in the windowsill these accidents I mean come on people You missed my lecture apparently if you pay no attention to it when i play those clips PS, I wear white at night. Life-saving tips here on the NO Agenda Show. Life saving tip! Saved another kid? Saved another one?! Ah that's beautiful. Replacement Gitmo Nation National Anthem Take 33

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