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00:00 She's almost a dead ringer for Bill Gates. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. And Sunday April 8th 2018 this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 1023! This is no agenda... Double D for my OTG to share with the NA family and broadcasting live from the Capitol, The Drone Star State downtown Austin Tejas in the Clunio In The Morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's P-U-K-E I'm John C. DeVorett. Okay snappy not bad

00:38 You may not have had your tea yet, but the brain is functioning. The b12 is Disseminating yeah the be 12 to me 12 to you oh man late night last night we had the big Ronald McDonald house Bandana ball the bandana bandana ball yes 800 and almost 900 people Yeah, it was. Although strangely... Did they all wear bandanas? Bandanas, cowboy hats, boots the problem was that it went down to 42 degrees yesterday in Austin all of a sudden

01:14 And bang and there's a big storm hit Texas. Yeah, and we got the wind and it's a tent just outside. It's a big outside 10 I was actually you know because they had the sides down but there were still two openings Where they had a projector with the screen you know back Back projection and so the wind was going through this entire tent where people are eating everyone like you're like the JP Morgan People are freaking out. You know then would freaking out They were freezing, so I find myself driving to 30-foot truck. You know In front of the entrance okay? I'll take care of this It was uh it was interesting last night

01:56 And late. You drove a big rig? Well, not an 18-wheeler obviously but I just went like it's one you need a license for i think yeah well...I can do this no problem they're pretty liberal there in Texas when it comes to that sort of thing Yeah Oops hold on a second uh oh what's up uh do we want to restart now remind me tomorrow Oh No! It's the windows trick question of the day yeah well John looks like you and me the Lennon and McCartney of podcasting are going to be on a list finally. Okay, good. To meet the Queen? No that is this coming week but I'm going to The Netherlands tomorrow

02:43 Yes, hi-ho to hi ho hi. Ho to the lowlands To meet the Queen you see them You know what? You're supposed to say when you see that yeah I know what I'm supposed to say diddly diddly What is diddly diddly? There's something I don't know. It's not the right phrase. I was gonna say dilly-dilly That's what the phrase is dilly-dilly you have to explain I don't understand well dilly-dilly as part of a Bud Light commercial or Miller light commercial it works so well, I can't remember which light beer it is exactly and It's just a bunch. It's just a stupid series of commercials I think it's the bud people because they put out there that belligerent they put up some funny stuff yeah So uh so why?

03:27 So on the, yeah. And so on the internet tweets and somebody sends this to me too apparently and this is bull crap that there's a bull crap hoax has been floating around of things you can't say at the Masters tournament. Oh! And Dilly Dilly is one of them? Yeah in some cases... Somebody sends us to be saying Can You Believe This?! I said no but don't I can't believe it because it's not true why would they even It's ridiculous. Yeah, you know back in the day commercials used to work Commercials used to work better You know they had virality to them and I don't think dilly-dilly worked very well Well not if he didn't know about it precisely. What's a very because it's been this commercials but this bit I'll say instead of a commercial this bit has been in play for at least nine months No, no have not seen it

04:24 The list I'm talking about though is the Homeland Security database of journalists and media influencers which was uncovered this week on the social nets. This is a what they, what was uncovered was a Department of Homeland Security statement of work which I think in regular business is like RFQ or an RFI or RFP Yes, it's Chris for proposal. Yeah yeah media monitoring services And this is kind of wait a minute. It's kind of chilling Wait a minute we're gonna be monitored yes Hey value for value guys

05:13 I'm reading from the actual document, the statement of work. The tasks online and social media monitoring so this database must have the ability to track global online sources for coverage relevant to Washington and the six media hubs The ability to track more than 290,000 global news sources. Ability to track online print broadcast cable radio trade and industry publications local sources national international outlets traditional news sources and social media the ability to track media coverage in over 100 languages including Arabic Chinese and Russian ability create up to 20 searches with

05:52 Each unlimited keywords, unlimited coverage per search. Ability to change the searches of keywords at any given time. Ability create unlimited data tracking... So they want a database of stuff so you can search it later? So whoever picks up this contract I don't want you read the whole thing but whoever picks up this contract has to do all this stuff? Yes. They have to be... Where's Burrell when we need him? Little inside joke there. Yeah And what are we categorized as? Media influencers, I think. Here it is... The media engagement 24-7 access to password protected media influencer database including journalists editors correspondents social media influencers bloggers etc which is obviously where we are. We're under et cetera!

06:48 below bloggers yeah ability to browse the database based on location and type of influencer ad hoc searches with Boolean terms that's kind of standard let's see for each influencer found present contact details and any other information that could be relevant including publications as influencer writes for an overview of the previous coverage published by the media influencer I mean this is kind of a Stasi like database that they're putting together here sounds like it yeah can't be good no but you're lucky

07:24 Because you're going OTG. I wanted to save the OTG segment for... I don't care if you saved it or not, i'm just saying It sounds to me as though You've jumped ahead of the game Absolutely! Yes a take on a popular classic There you go. I am OTG baby, that's right Chris Wilson with Melissa Talen they're working together now the Aussies God We've created a monster! Yes great It's a troop now if you have two people aren't you a troop? A U Aren't you a troop? T-R-O-U-P E Yes, troop With an e and a O-U T-R-O-U-P-E yes a troop

08:18 Yeah, yeah. Adam's OTG. You know me I'm moving that to the... You know me! OTG! Your only semi- I have discovered so much in my quest which we'll talk about in the C block and you are in danger too my friend. Yeah if don't move yeah get out of the window More more so than you know actually but let's see what can we kick this show off with besides the fact that were on a list somewhere Well, we're on the list. That's a good thing and a bad thing and I've been in mediocre saying and we're gonna be Taken off the list eventually when they try to well No one be able to take that contract by the way that contract what was they gonna pay? I wonder maybe I should just bid it Yeah, the curry Dvorak consulting group should bid it sure we can do that work

09:10 Yeah, I guess. Hey we're already spying on the media! This is true yeah so just one more step just a little more we got to do a little work and a little writing stuff down Let's play a teaser here's a teaser this is classic just for getting used to being in the Bay Area this is a teaser a teaser for The News Yeah, great teaser. Oh you see what happens is I immediately start looking at the tea? Plus of our passenger says this guy is smoking crack she's fed up with seeing open drug use we asked Bart What are you doing to stop it on KPIX 5 news? Crack they're smoking crack on the BART trains no way

09:59 Shoot man, I saw an article. Yes it was a big conference in San Francisco. There's always big conferences... Oh it was the International Gamers Conference there you go and this let me see what this is from this is from SFGate international gamers in SF for convention quote shell-shocked by Dangerous City More than 28,000 international gaming professionals converge of course at San Francisco's Moscone Convention Center where they nerded around. But everyone... the feedback coming back was stop hosting this in San Francisco we hate it here! The city hates us being here! It's aggressive people are being attacked on the street, being followed, being continuously harassed

10:53 It's you know, people have no idea when they could think of all this is gonna be fun. We're going to San Francisco and they're like what is this? Yeah How's that how's that area? What does the Moscone area like well around? Well, it's just not that bad for the intercontinental is you maybe need to go there and check it out with a chain I know what they did No, that's what they did They started head to the Apple Store Come on, let's face it. What are they gonna do when you're in San Francisco and you're just a nerd? You're gonna go to the first thing you're gonna do is where's the Apple store Let's go to the Apple Store and hang out maybe there's a you know Maybe somebody could demo the watch And so he sticked to get to the Apple Store You've got to go toward Market Street and then take a left and now you're right in it. Yeah We should poop needles

11:43 I'm sorry, go on. I was just saying this is going to be what happens... When asked by fellow Twitter users to elaborate on his Game Developer Conference experience this particular guy who's interviewed claimed he intervened in mugging He experienced racial abuse toxic dudes in events, had his credit card skimmed and Airbnb hosts canceled last minute on heaps of people and scores of devs had their rejected visas the visas rejected and were hassled by TSA. Welcome to America bitches! Were you brown?

12:26 Well, I don't know if you can blame San Francisco for the visa hassle. Okay? No no might as well It just does do have another San Francisco story this was there We had a big rainstorm over the weekend and came and went nice nice and shut sunny But they kind of coverage we had was I thought this was kind of wrapped up to coverage oh Because you know the way, you know man on the streets what you want to do when you just ask anybody casually what they think But let's just start asking kids stuff. Oh, we're trying to find puddles Why are you trying to find puddles? We like splashing and um That's a story in San Francisco. This is a problem. There's your San Francisco story puddles Puddles wait What's your stammering clip because I've got a stammering clip too and I'd and I think that's interesting that we both have Stammers

13:14 This is a woman from the New York Times another we know we've noticed this before that did none of them should be on the media or on TV are being recorded anything because they're terrible. This is a woman stammering but this is actually a story about the I thought this is like playing isolated But this woman presents it very poorly, but she's one of the women at The Times who dug up or found that apparently there was a race between The New York Times and other newspapers and the CIA to find all the papers they could find from abandoned offices that ISIS

13:53 Was occupying to find out how Isis was running things and it turns out that? Isis was a pretty good bunch of bureaucrats. They got a lot of stuff done And this report I thought was just fascinating because there was nothing that anyone wants to talk about with the Islamic State. What ISIS did is, soon after taking the city of Mosul they announced on the loudspeakers of mosques that civil servants needed to go back to work and as a result basically the entire public servant corps went back to work and so they kept on-they kept the city going uh as as they would have if they were working for the Iraqi government. ISIS used the knowhow of the Iraqi government to build its own state it built its state on the back of the one that came before.

14:45 Absolutely. And you are seeing this even in the very first days of the liberation, ISIS cells remain in this area. You hear of suicide bombings routinely or people being kidnapped or altercations and deadly clashes with police. The same grievances that allowed this group to take hold in the first place are still very much present. People complain of the corruption of the Iraqi state, of not being given a fair shake unless they have what's called wasta or connections to people in power.

15:23 So, all of that remains. And the thing that was actually the most frightening I think to read in these documents and to see through interviews with people is how good ISIS was at governing. We don't often talk about this but the streets were cleaner under ISIS than under the Iraqi government. The sewers were less likely to overflow. This is what people told us. And the fact that the Iraqi state cannot take care of those basic things is the kind of thing that festers and causes people to show sympathy for this group. Rukmini Kalamachi, thank you for your time. You know it's an interesting way because most of these stammers or other things a lot of them is specifically if people are being interviewed just to catch up in their brain and figure out what they're going to say next

16:09 And you know I do um you do so um, yeah There's lots of ways that people there's a lot of ways just stall but this is an interesting one just by repeating two words over twice It's not it does at all time and somehow she incorporates up talking in it. Yeah well That's talent is that mean? That's just yes like gum that's not that easy one of our producers caught a fun little stammer on we Which involved you know stammering can also involve lying and this topic was actually about lying about the president lying And I just thought that you know wow do you think in New York Times reporter shouldn't be on television? How about the television host take on all the falsehoods all the lies. I mean, I've tried to do some real-time fact checking It's the first time I've heard that but

16:54 uh... the conspiracy theory about voter fraud which didn't even hold enough water millions of people right now i think that was an original explanation for losing the popular vote re-upping the rapists in mexico take on some of just the lies wow! that's a stutter, that's different than a stammer the lies dynamite That's a beauty. That's a beauty that's a gem Now, of course this is the typical Noah Jenner thing we kind of ignore what they're talking about and just ridicule the person Yes Which is like going after the messenger? Yeah I just want to go back to that ISIS thing. I found it fascinating that people thought these guys You know why the streets were clean in the sewers ran perfectly because if you didn't do your job They shoot you chop down a lot. You get a lot done that way yeah hmm

17:53 Hmm we are here hashtag America near our hashtag target soon Yeah, we're ready for Texas is ready yeah bring them on I got a couple of, let's see some good NPR clips. Actually following up on the very under reported topic is the Awan Brothers

18:32 This is the Pakistanis who were running the IT department for the Democrats, had access to over 40 computers servers email everything. And downloaded terabytes? Yes and they were hired by Debbie Washerman Schultz who was very pissed off at the Capitol Police that they had confiscated a laptop which they actually left in a phone booth it was her laptop that left in a phone booth by accident or by accident who knows You know, she was pissed off that she couldn't get her laptop back and you know then now it turns out there's no background checks. And for some odd reason the money honey is all over this story It's Fox Business News which I don't does anyone watch that? I mean its on the way for me on the way to MSNBC. On the way from one channel to another. Yeah! Its on the way from One America news or whatever to MSNBC so usually I stop if she's not I'll stop

19:31 Here's her follow-up reporting on this. You say background checks are typically, they're recommended for this position? Why did they push back on the background checks and decide not to have any of these IT workers take background use background checks The House policy actually says that background checks are required. But if you delve into the fine print, there's technically a loophole that these members may have been able to invoke that essentially allowed another member just to vouch for them so as casual is that before you turn over the passwords that give these guys access to all of the emails of these Members of Congress in every file

20:07 on their hard drives and all of the staffers' hard drives. They just kind of ask casually, ask a friend, ask a fellow member of Congress and fill out this form And it turns out that all 44 members who employed Imran Awan they never ran a background check If they would have run this background check it would have found out not only multiple criminal convictions but one million dollar bankruptcy A dozen lawsuits, a lot about fraud a dozen LLCs that they had with cryptic names like New Dawn 2001 and CIA. It would have found a whole host of major red flags, and the Democrats didn't do any of those checks as a result they gave these guys access to everything And the IG determined that they were funneling data off the house network in really specific ways I love that! Yeah well heaven forbid we discuss this story Nooo... This would be no good

20:58 Yeah, particularly with just everything that's going on with cyber and you know is this truly being Suppressed maybe I mean why else it there's got to be some notice out there that says alright everybody X-ray on the ebby washman alt-j story a It's gotta be something out there Why else would no one report on this except for Maria who I guess can write her own thing the Fox Business? Yeah, it's because no one cares. That's why she could hey are you on that channel report all you want Maria go for it and she is flanked now nowadays by Jason Chaffetz former Republican congressman yeah, Congress Congressman yeah Who was actually not that bad

21:50 I kind of like him as a host. He's filling in here and there, he is always a good talker. He is a good talker. I think he did the Ingraham show once? I didn't like that at all because you know... Here's the problem! He's a very functional host. He has the personality of a dishrag it's just you look at him.. Tell me you're going back in there executive executive mode. Yeah, we should we need a jingle or something goes eggs entering executive Now entering executive mode For when we talk about how hot chicks are on TV is that what you mean? yeah because We don't really normally talk that way Except when we're an executive mode and what we're doing in reality is ridiculing the people that talk that way yes

22:39 at the same time being very frightening and showing how good we are at it. We could do what, well we are executives of our own show this is true as here is a follow-on question this is about how really came down or went down what happened first then the inventory have lost items with Shay I cut most of Shafit's out? Well there's a couple different things going on I mean there's hundreds of thousands of dollars that the equipment suspected to have been stolen and that's basically what the IG started investigating. And then it found that data was coming off the network too, and we don't know exactly what that data was. We know that it had quote sensitive file names according to the IG. The reason why we don't know more is because the house actually blocked

23:24 investigators from looking at some of this stuff. So, this is a cover-up Jason I mean this has come in part from the House leadership including on the Republican side and that's it for my experience that's code for classified if they were able to tap into classified information they're gonna put a big stiff arm to that and say no you can't look at it anymore but the inventory of here and what was stolen and accessed and what vulnerabilities that creates...that is a huge mess okay we needed this jingle classified so let's wrap this up with and again chafers I think is still in the hosting desk final conclusion show did they give him is it on Fox business he yes well no I don't think he has a show

24:19 Think he just fills in and he was sitting in with Maria, or I didn't see the whole thing. Okay? He's there they're Testing him out That's right. He's in the farm team on Fox days on the front They're gonna give me bring them up for a couple of shows that put him back to them Yeah, it's harmless you know nothing's gonna happen there on Fox business You can't mess it up The only reason people are watching Maria show is Maria which is why we put her here right now I guess. Right? Come on! Alright, wrapping it up... Yeah and it's turning out that they were running the House of Representatives IT policy like it was some rinky-dink mom and pop business there was basically no protection. It is! Hold on a second... Hey! Rinky Dink?! Where does that come from? Rinky Dink

25:09 That's got to go back to the 30s or it's gotta know where it goes back too. I'll tell you what, keep playing that clip and I will have an answer if I can find it." Yeah! And its turning out they were running the House of Representatives IT policy like it was some rinky-dink mom and pop business there was basically no protections and the fact that the Democrats were even able to invoke this loophole is bad enough but the idea that 44 them would've independently decided to not run background checks on these guys who were Pakistani citizens Something's going on here and it seems like the members were looking the other way at these guys for long before Wasserman Schultz kept them on the payroll even though the cops banned them from the network, and even before she threatened a Capitol Police officer because after Imran took her laptop and left it in a phone book.

25:54 in a phone booth. So the question is, why are the members ignoring this? I mean this is the biggest story that you never hear about it's a hack on the Congress by foreigners and the Democrats didn't care about if they didn't stop it these are the same people who were talking constantly about cyber breaches and Russia And if you care about one you gotta care about the other so why haven't they addressed it? There's a couple different reasons It could be as simple as this is deeply deeply embarrassing to them uh... the second one is that it basically destroys that russian narrative just because i'd shows that they didn't actually care about cyber security and they haven't responded to this and then are you certainly uh... it could just be a question of um... do these guys have something on members of congress in these guys if you look into their background in the lawsuits there they've been accused of talk to a lot of people who know them they've done extortion like behavior in the past obviously they could read debbie wasman schultz's emails around the time of that dnc hack

26:49 They could read the emails of 44 other members. Are members concerned? Are they being blackmailed? Are members concerned that if they speak out about this hack, if they testify against these guys and lock them up... ...that these guys have something on them?" I like that theory! I like the idea that they might have something on them. Alright, rinky-dink phrase from The Shades! Well it means shoddy or amateurish rinky dink but it says all I can get so far is now do some work is origins in the 1800s unknown. Oh, that's no good! So it came up somebody used it probably one of those nickel novelists or somebody at that level or newspaper guy who the 1800s invented it and got caught out everyone thought it was sounded good I don't know

27:40 But we have to now, now we have to find out. And we will! Yes... Well I think this story is just interesting beyond and really beyond what happened is why it's not a story? That's very baffling It'll have to rise to the level of quote-unquote story eventually there's no way because the thing is they won't catch these guys uh... it just it's gonna fester it will pop good image there but this I don't know I'm not so sure I put money on it hmm well it may be yeah I mean it's possible that they did this that the mainstream media is so corrupted by just Democrat

28:29 protectionist thinking that maybe they'll never bring it up but I just can't believe that there's not somebody out to itch and to do this story. A trip to Pakistan, you know? That's right! There you go. Interview the guys, exclusive interview in 60 minutes... Now your thinking like a lib joe. Oh yeah we've... oh no we screwed the Democrats get these guys on tape be fantastic Yeah, your Libjo friends are thinking that way right now. How do I get a free trip to Pakistan? No, let me think... Let me think.. Oh yes! I know perfect my Libjo friends yeah all right what we got oh I have that guy if I saw this cuz i'm gonna use it in the future uh then I almost bought one clip from you okay what is the I almost bought one that's all it is

29:31 It's good. Didn't even cut it right! No, well you cut it off or something... No I did not here it is your clip You know I almost bought one. And I say bleh! You need to cut that off. I didn't hear the bleh? Oh oh oh bad. I do. You're right this isn't well. It was not an epic fail. It's epic when when you're changing a topic and you throw in an ISO and it's no good thats some fail Alright, let's do another. I got a lot of lone clips here that really don't test once you get into a story entertain me Okay, so the Russian oligarchs there's a new Russian sanctions deal ah

30:17 And they decided that, it went back to the old fashioned way even though nobody mentions this was what happened originally. Remember when Obama first sanctioned Russia? It wasn't Russia it was these guys there. Yeah a couple of dudes yeah Some dudes they said you guys were freezing your accounts if we ever see a dollar from you or you can't spend it anywhere we're gonna lock you out Right and so then they went to different sectors and started sanctioning this and that well they've gone back to the original idea And everybody, all the networks were playing it very poorly. Andrea Mitchell had a report going on and this guy's associated with Robert Manafort. Paul Manafort! But I like Robert. Bob. Robert is good. So all these guys anyway there are always reports on all the networks really

31:08 It stunk when you compared him to what PBS did. They dug up some guy who's kind of a minor expert, he's in the UK and he actually explained this quite nicely I thought and he kinda nails it that this is the Russian oligarch targeted and he's got some background on each of the guys Then he has a conclusion and then he makes some other commentary. I just thought this was really interesting We turned to special correspondent Ryan Chilcote reporting tonight from London, Ryan thanks for joining us What makes these sanctions different from the sanctions that are already in place? Well these sanctions are very hard-hitting

31:44 And in contrast to the sanctions we've seen before, these go after some Russian billionaires specifically and exclusively for their ties or at least they appear to exclusively for their ties to President Vladimir Putin. So in the past The Trump administration, the Obama administration has sought to have a link between a specific event whether it's the annexation of Crimea whether it was fighting in the eastern Ukraine and the individual they were sanctioning. But in this case its proximity to the Kremlin another change is that

32:20 Very early on we saw what they called sectoral sanctions. Sectors of the Russian economy were sort of sanctioned to try and put pressure on those sectors, the oil industry in this case very targeted going after people that at least in Washington DC they think are close to President Putin some of these people who are close to President Putin. Tell us about them, what are some of the names that jump off the list at you? Well Oleg Deripaska is definitely top-of-the-list, the most interesting of the individuals that has been sanctioned he's worth about seven billion dollars, he has global business interests He's well known in the United States as having a business relationship with Paul Manafort

33:04 Many people in the US suspect that he may have acted as some kind of intermediary between the Trump administration and the Kremlin. He has denied that So, he's definitely interesting big-time businessman Victor Wechselberg another worth about 16 billion former oil man also in the metals industry interesting choice Because in some ways he's been behind the drive more recently to diversify the Russian economy away from oil and gas He's a huge fan of the United States. He's a big investor in Silicon Valley, and he's been trying to kind of you know help Russia with his money turn the corner from being a Petrodollar state if you will so interesting that he has been targeted any collusion

33:54 So I think this guy, the second guy they named. Yeah! This is a...this is..I think Silicon Valley connection? Interesting. Yeah and he's got all these billions He was an angel investor And he's one of these guys who gets involved in certain deals Now that money has dried up So this is, I think this is another Trump smack in California. A trump trick! Good catch yeah. Let's see who we can ask to say let's add this guy to the list even though he said like they said the guy says he's a pro-american and wants to turn the Russian economy around away from the petrodollars which is what you would

34:34 think would be a good idea because you know we're trying to beat him on oil and gas. So you maybe want to get them involved in some other stuff but no, let's stop that! And because of this guy's connection is Silicon Valley I'm absolutely convinced of it. None of the other networks even mention that guy And I wonder what he's invested in. What is his name again? Some convoluted name, I couldn't pronounce it. Maybe the troll room can look that up. I'll bet you he's invested in Facebag or something like that. He's probably at Facebag for sure. Everyone's in Facebag! So let's listen to this second clip which has got a little rap here that's kind of interesting... How likely are these sanctions to succeed and actually change Putin's behavior? I don't think they're very likely to succeed in changing Vladimir Putin's behavior AT ALL

35:21 There was a very interesting comment from the Russian president's spokesman the other day where he said, oligarch sanctions? What oligarch sanctions? We don't have oligarchs in Russia. You know, in one sense that sounds laughable that he is making light of this but in fact there is some truth to what he is saying. There are no real oligarchs in Russia in the sense that there are people who can exercise power or influence on Vladimir Putin Russian billionaires, or Russian oligarchs if you want to call them that. They may enjoy their wealth at the pleasure of President Putin if you will but they can't force him to change his behavior and so the idea that putting sanctions on them will...and then get upset and go to President Putin to say don't do X I don't think thats going to work

36:12 Another thing that none of the networks picked up on which is yeah, we call them oligarchs But in the true sense an oligarch is a guy they all work together and they can put pressure on each other right? but nobody's putting pressure on Putin These guys are lucky to even have their billions if it wasn't for Putin. Well that doesn't fit The way I think about them yes there you go It's a problem And then there's a little, just a little background here I thought was kind of interesting which is the third clip. Talking about inviting him to the White House for a summit what message is this sending the Russians? In the Kremlin they decided a long time ago that President Trump is politically impotent as the Russian Prime Minister put it once

36:53 They believe that all of these actions he's taking against Russia are because he has to, because the political pressure that is being exerted on him. And they see that despite their hopes and their confidence in President Trump, they see that the relationship is on a downward spiral and that definitely is not something that they're very happy about. That said, they are hopeful that at some point you know politics is a crazy thing maybe he will have more power and he will be able to if not improve the relationship stop its deterioration This guy's pretty interesting I like him He was on for awhile and everything he said was poignant and well thought out Russian tech investors set up shop in Silicon Valley

37:46 Hmm looks like yeah, it looks like they're doing VC stuff. Yeah VC stuff Which is pretty much screwing screwing inventors out of all their profits and their money Hey, here's an idea. Yeah, that's great. It's ours now this suit fits perfectly look at a couple fives get out of here. Yeah, that's interesting well okay Yeah, I think...I can't find any flaw in your assertion that this is a done just to mess with Silicon Valley. I like that! That's good. I do have one Russian clip as.. I don't know about this Novichok stuff they're supposed to be the deadliest poison on earth crazy the Russians what the hell did they invent? I mean we it was just nutso when we heard about this decades ago and they used it on their spies and you

38:40 The spies live! A month ago Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found slumped on a park bench in the city of Salisbury where Sergei lives. Britain says the Skripals had been exposed to Novichok, a Soviet-era nerve agent both were in critical condition until last week when Yulia awoke She said in a statement released today that she's recovering after quote disorienting experience Russian TV has released audio of a phone call purported to be between Yulia and her relative Victoria Skripal In the call, a woman identified as Victoria asks about Sergei Skripal. The voice identified as Yulia responds that Sergei is resting has no irreversible damage and will be discharged soon but chemical weapons expert Hamish de Breton-Gordon is skeptical

37:46 Hmm looks like yeah, it looks like they're doing VC stuff. Yeah VC stuff Which is pretty much screwing screwing inventors out of all their profits and their money Hey, here's an idea. Yeah, that's great. It's ours now this suit fits perfectly look at a couple fives get out of here. Yeah, that's interesting well okay Yeah, I think...I can't find any flaw in your assertion that this is a done just to mess with Silicon Valley. I like that! That's good. I do have one Russian clip as.. I don't know about this Novichok stuff they're supposed to be the deadliest poison on earth crazy the Russians what the hell did they invent? I mean we it was just nutso when we heard about this decades ago and they used it on their spies and you

38:40 The spies live! A month ago Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found slumped on a park bench in the city of Salisbury where Sergei lives. Britain says the Skripals had been exposed to Novichok, a Soviet-era nerve agent both were in critical condition until last week when Yulia awoke She said in a statement released today that she's recovering after quote disorienting experience Russian TV has released audio of a phone call purported to be between Yulia and her relative Victoria Skripal In the call, a woman identified as Victoria asks about Sergei Skripal. The voice identified as Yulia responds that Sergei is resting has no irreversible damage and will be discharged soon but chemical weapons expert Hamish de Breton-Gordon is skeptical

39:34 And knowing how deadly these nerve agents are, you know the assertion in that telephone conversation is fine really goes against everything else we know. He's also not convinced that the voice Russian media identify as Yulia Skripal is really her but a Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says it's Britain that's twisting the facts This case has been used as an orchestrated pretext for the mass expulsion of Russian diplomats not only from the US and Britain, but also from other countries who had their arms twisted. The Kremlin had its opening to pounce when British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson told a German broadcaster that the UK's defence laboratory Porton Downe had confirmed that the Novichok came from Russia They were absolutely categorical I asked the guy myself are you sure?

40:25 And he said, there's no doubt. But Porton Downs chief executive said it's not the lab's job to confirm where the nerve agent came from Russia's ambassador to the UK Alexander Yakovenko then suggested that it's Britain that should be scrutinized We have a lot of suspicions about Britain you know so many Russian citizens died here in the UK under very strange circumstances He's referring to the suspicious deaths of at least 14 critics of the Kremlin. Meanwhile in New York, Britain's new ambassador to the UN Karen Pierce said Russia statements appeared to be aimed at undermining an investigation by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons

41:07 And all I'd say on that is we as UK have nothing to hide. We look forward to the report, but what have the Russians got to fear? The chemical weapons watchdog is expected to release its report next week Yeah and we know that they have a gag order so will never know Yes we have a guy working there And well never know And they have a gag order and they can't talk about anything. So this is, we'll never know... This has got scam written all over it! It does I like the Russian angle though hey hold on a second what's wrong with Britain? There are all these guys who hate us who are being poisoned What's wrong with you guys?! That angle is pretty funny because it implies that if you criticize the Kremlin

41:55 and you're Russian, and you're in the UK... You die. The UK is going to kill you! Who knows? Well, stranger things have happened. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that you and I have seen a lot in our combined 110 years. If you remember those... The poor bastard who brought out the fact that the yellow cake was bogus and he was found dead in a ditch. Yeah. And people suggested MI6 killed him. There are a lot of suspicious killings going on at this point. Didn't he kill himself with a butter knife Yeah, the butter knife yes stabbed himself with a butter. I hate myself They poorly done mi6 or mi5 whichever one did it poorly done? Butter knife yeah that was very poorly done and Yeah, there's many many suspicious things going on of which we really have no more information No, then what we have we got nothing don't we have speculation But word I think were good at speculation

43:02 Eric Prince is in the news. Ah, our Blackwater friend! Yeah I guess he was brought in to testify and grand jury was after him... This is about the so-called back channel that he had put together on The Seychelles? Yeah, The Seychelles. And so now it's apparently heating up again because they got this stooge from Lebanon who apparently will say anything. Let's play Prince Nader Mullah. about a meeting he had with the Russian banker just before the inauguration at an exotic resort in the Seychelles. Prince told Congress it was a coincidence, but sources say that special counsel has evidence that suggests it was planned. Here's ABC's Chief Justice Correspondent Pierre Thomas. Before we get into that I'll just remind us of the clips we have of Eric Prince which I think you also brought to the show

43:59 where he says, how stupid is this? If Trump is being controlled by the Kremlin and apparently they have some maybe an implanted chip then why do they need a back channel. Why they need me to create a back channel if Trump was already being controlled by the Kremlin. That was one of his assertions they did throw in a little piece of gratuitous factoid into this report, see if you can spot it. Which I thought was like cheap shot but they did it anyway at ABC and the other thing about this particular situation was this was after the election. And it had nothing to do with the election, had to do with the transition or getting some

44:45 something going with Russia, if anything it could have been just the coincidence that Prince said it was but it still didn't go anywhere. It just seems like a complete waste of time but play on. This is Eric Prince the founder of the security company Blackwater and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos. Interesting they don't say Academy and Z They can't pronounce it. Sources allege he was also a liaison between the Trump transition and the Russian government, something he emphatically denies Here's Prince leaving a closed session with congressional investigators clearly annoyed I've already wasted

45:27 Four hours of my life on that. Tonight, sources tell ABC News the special counsel has obtained evidence that may conflict with Prince's sworn testimony. That issue a meeting Prince attended at this exotic Seychelles resort just two weeks before the inauguration also there are Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin. Prince has said his meeting with the Russian banker was unplanned, a chance encounter while on a business trip. I happened to be there and met a Russian fund manager. I can't even remember his name. We didn't exchange cards He remembered the Russians' name when speaking to those congressional investigators several months later. Prince said he traveled to meet with some potential customers and they quote mentioned a guy I should meet who is also in town to see them, a career Dimitri from Russia who ran some sort of hedge fund

46:13 So I met him in the bar, we talked for 30 minutes over a beer and that was it. But there's another version of this story and it involves George Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman whose sources say is cooperating with the special counsel interviewed four times by Mueller's grand jury Those sources say Nader set up the Seychelles meeting between Prince and the Russian banker Specifically to launch conversations between the Trump transition and Russian government officials. When people talk about whether there was a possible back channel or anybody, all of that you're saying no off the table? Complete hogwash But sources familiar with the special counsel's investigation tell ABC News his team has obtained evidence from Nader

46:53 that suggests he met with Prince at the Pierre Hotel in New York City a week before the Seychelles meeting. Sources say that evidence, documents that reveal within hours of the New York City meeting, later started sending messages to Prince with the bio of the Russian banker showing he was a powerful Putin ally. Just two weeks later, Prince was in the Seychelles having a beer with that Russian banker and meeting he said was unplanned. Prince has said he was not representing the Trump transition and his spokesman told us he stands by his testimony before Congress Tom Oh man, this Russia stuff. Meanwhile China is pouring troops into Djibouti in Africa they're putting in advisors military advisors that's our trick and we're bitching about this? And not only that if the logic of there's all these illogical things that take place If Prince had a meeting with this guy at the Pierre Hotel

47:53 Why would he shoot all the way to Seychelles to have another meeting with him when you could just had one down the street at The Royalton or some other hotel in New York? Or yeah, or did disco is noisy enough that you can't be really recorded. Disco a disco well disc I'm just saying someplace as noise Oh You mean a club a club that's it a Club we go into a club That's noisy has to do late at night was noisy and you can't I mean what it makes no sense Now he's sneaking off to the Seychelles, which is probably completely bugged by everything by everyone every agency This is Yeah, you're right. Why aren't they looking at China what they're up? To yeah this really I know wise because all media in the United States of Gitmo nation are in bed with The Chinese everybody's doing business with the Chinas and

48:47 That's why. Especially entertainment, who is the guy setting up studios? There are billion dollar studios going up. Spielberg is one of the big promoters for this I think Lucas has got some action over there. Everybody has action there Clooney because they have... The Chinese decided that they wanted to clone Hollywood because it seems like such a money maker and their good at cloning our successes Exactly and so they put setting up the old studio system from the thirties. And in fact number of that top movies just came out i can't remember which was off hand but i remember seeing the opening credits where it talks about a chinese connection is got to chinese some chinese thing on their china or china china characters,

49:37 Was this no China, but Chinese name characters one dong studios. I mean he's obviously not something at San Francisco Long or long wong-dong on Wong Dong Studios I Mean it's yeah you're right cuz Trump second thing He said I think by the way this again like Trump and Silicon Valley in that Russian guy Trump says well We're you know we have employed anything yet then There's nothing really happening, we're just making threats. But we're gonna take a look at intellectual property theft which the Chinese are very guilty of I mean they stole the F-35 they think and there's a lot of other things that they steal but I think they're going to go after the stolen Hollywood movies thing to screw up these deals

50:29 Ooh, that would be fun wouldn't it? Yeah thanks for the support Hollywood. Oh by the way we're gonna screw up your deals in China. How about this sanctions only on entertainment products outgoing sanctions tariffs actually because the Chinese are like I said are investing in a lot of these big tentpole movies sanction them Well, yeah that's exactly the point. Yeah I mean but it'd be a movie coming out anything that is associated with China... Anything that is produced in China so all these American productions that are produced in China should be... They have to stay in China and they have to be exported and by the way do they pay? Is there an import export tax on this type of product? I don't know. That's worth thinking about

51:23 Well, I would say if you produce this thing and you shoot it in China at the multi-billion dollar studios. It's a product of China! I would say yes to that assertion and so you probably should be banned. I think that's if that's a fine idea. Meanwhile there was like some global cyber attack on Cisco switches which is kind of being blamed on the US even though yeah the majority of them of course are in the U.S But 14,000 Cisco switches that have not yet received patches for exploits were I guess compromised in China. And this is really yeah This is where you want to be because you want to be in the routers and the switches That's what the Chinese do we learned it from them okay? Yeah You want to be there are they're in the guts yeah, that's where you only of a beast That's where you want to be

52:21 So there's actual stuff to be reported on and I wouldn't mind a free trip to China to go Do some investigative journo? Journalism with your escort. Yes My attaché you're out of the shade am I attache should we get into face bag for just a moment that would kind of set up the the C block You want to do that yeah, I will play a preliminary clip okay as in black background back background or no just kind of a just to show you this this the kind of the weird arrogance and screwiness of Sheryl Sandberg she did have 15 minute yes interview with Judy which was very it was Judy asking very aggressive questions in Cheryl and it seemed like she was on drugs

53:10 She couldn't answer anything, she didn't answer anything. And she looks... I hate to say this because I don't like to criticize people's appearance. Oh come on! This is television. Hold on now entering executive mode Well it's not even that. She is a...she looks in there...I'm talking about gestalt if anyone understands that. It's kind of a feeling about the way somebody presents themselves. She's almost a dead ringer for Bill Gates She has this she has this little squint. She gets pretty much the same kind of nose She's got this little squint that hold stop there because this is the thing I noticed with and I watched her also on The Today Show which I have some clips from Her nose is a pinched Michael Jackson bad nose job. Yeah, well it says in those jobs you okay? Well that makes sense then too bad It's about job

54:01 Well, she has... well yeah. It doesn't fit her face you're right but she has this look in the sneery eyes that she doesn't even know what's doing they kind of squinting just a little bit in irritation yes and then it's a condescending irritation of look I'm listening to your question but you're an idiot because I'm much more intelligent than you I'm just gonna wait until you ask your rinky-dinky thats whats going on in here head I think so too because you can see it. And Bill used to do that when he was running Microsoft, he'd have that look and then he had a snide remark, Bill smiled more but this woman does the same thing Bill would do. And when bill smiled...it's kind of disarming

54:48 Well, it's always inappropriate. It's always just out in the middle of nowhere He learned that from somebody to just flash a smile for no good reason right in the middle of his sentence But she doesn't quite have that down but she's got something similar but she's got this soft kind of voice That just doesn't really want to say anything and she uses a lot of buzzwords from Silicon Valley so I clipped that 15 minutes, 13 and a half minutes actually she spoke with Judy. I clipped it down to 45 seconds just to give you a feeling for her. Well let's be clear what happened here in this case we had a feature that enabled you to find your friends by their name or email or phone number well this plays into the overall situation were in. I'm really sorry for that and Mark is really sorry when we saw specific

55:42 problems, we shut those specific problems down. The questions on this election they are big and they are deep trust is a really important thing you're asking a really important question and you know for me personally the fact that people would not trust us I take responsibility for that and that hits hard We're taking a proactive approach it's a critical question and i'm glad you asked well we made big mistakes and we know that and I think it really is that we were very focused on social experiences Yeah, you're right. She has a very Gates-esque... even her speech and her dead tone. Yeah, dead tone. Huh? I caught her on... well she was doing a lot of interviews and NBC the NBC News Department was sending out clips left and right to MSNBC CNBC everybody had clips of Sandberg And it and the interview was done by your girl what's her name Savannah Savannah Guthrie

56:40 Can I just throw one thing in before we start playing these clips? Of course. Because i'm still contemplating that little 45 second thing, I remember her when she was out with her book Lean In and... Yes lean in forward lean forward lean lean in something lean forward I thought maybe it's lean in I don't know I think it was lean in but she was a little livelier she had a little more personality she was she was a little more excitable I think she's on Prozac or something. Yeah, you know? I was just about to say that. Because she'd be the type that would take it because they have good doctor and they know what they're doing yeah and she could be strung out on that

57:23 Probably also her husband just died a couple years ago with it. You know was killed I think she what he was killed yeah, he was killed and that resort Yeah No He fell he fell off the treadmill backwards and hit his split his head open and died yeah Backwards yeah well you'd face plant usually when that's typically what I see on YouTube yes? Yeah, I don't see it backwards But she does sound like she's drugged up because she's got that kind of I'm talking like oh, no Everything is fine and I feel sorry for people and I take full responsibility You know what? Just thinking of her. I would actually say Xanax Okay Yeah, she's a xanax girl. That's what I'm thinking yeah, she's a bar a day

58:12 Alright, so Savannah Guthrie interviews Sheryl Sandberg which is an interesting choice as is witnessed by and you can hear many of them. They had to hack this thing together but it was a 15 minute interview I don't understand why could just kind of where got interesting so I don't know if question of well shoot let's take that out I don't want that in there what I said or if it was just to get through mumbling and bumbling from Savannah Guthrie but there was really only one and what I'm just scanning all the channels the way the news media is picking this up is pure hatred for Facebook face bags stealing their money

58:56 It's obvious this stole their money from the elections. There was a lot of I think that's a perfect, I think you'd have to be right on that analysis because the media does not like people stealing their money it's one of their least favorite things So there's you know, there's a lot of examples about how horrible and dangerous and just Crazy it is to even be a part of face bag. So I have a couple of those clips We'll start first with under a minute the most important question which and I you we heard this phrase everywhere Like we haven't been saying it since the inception of this show and before that If something's free you are the product

59:37 And, well Savannah heard this too. People say that we're the product our data that's the product you're selling and that's not true so here are business works We don't sell data ever! We do not give personal data to advertisers people come on to Facebook they want to do targeted ads and it's really important for small business but... First of all, we don't sell data ever. Although it was a very small little bit of news that we caught where I think it was Zuckerberg who said we've affected or a spokeshole said we have stopped doing business with not Equifax what's the other one? It's Equi something-or-other

1:00:22 Yeah, anyway. One of the FICO companies... So it seems unlikely to me that they weren't actually giving data maybe some type of roll-up? They were totally giving data but she's looking at from a certain... just from the advertising perspective that's what she is talking about But she is also looking at it from a legal standpoint which is kind of wishy washy we never sell your data no you gave it away Before but prior to 2014 the data was just up for grabs anyone could get it The Obama administration had their in the entire not the campaign in 2012 had the entire database at every now I want to go back to Savannah's original question about we're the product yeah, this is a talking point because of course because her answer to the question that

1:01:15 It really is not the answer to the question if you understand the question. And Savannah doesn't, so she just asked the question and accepted the answer there. The real point about your product it's not your data it's like oh here's my data and you're gonna sell it? No, no the point is that You being the product, and I'll explain it. I've explained it before but Savannah doesn't understand this because if she did she'd realize that she's in the same business. She might get a brain freeze if he realizes that! Yeah and when they say you're the product means the following as a publisher or broadcaster or web service you gather up

1:02:05 a pile of users that all have a similar style, a similar background, a similar taste, a similar psychographic. You package them and it's a virtual thing. You package them as a virtual thing and show the advertisers say look this is who we have, we can sell you these people. That's how you're the product. You're not the product because they are stealing your data, you are a piece of giant package that is presented virtually to an advertiser as something that they can buy meaning they can advertise specifically to you. That is not understood by Savannah I assure you and I don't think it even explained

1:02:49 explain in any way on any of these shows that are using you're the product as a talking point which somehow crept into the conversation. Well I'm glad you rolled that out that way because what's going on here is you ask this question and both sides win the question. We don't really want to expose the fact that we're packaging you like a bad debt in The Great Recession, and we're selling you off... Exactly! That's exactly what I'm saying it was good analogy Yeah so we don't really want you to know that but Facebag is really bad because they're selling your privacy your data

1:03:31 And Sandberg then gets to come in and say, oh we didn't ever sell data ever. So everybody looks good in this case they both win really it's a chick collusion Chick illusion People say that we're the product our data that's the product you're selling and that's not true so here's how our business works We don't sell data ever we do not give personal data by the way It was Experian, that's who they were doing business with. They're definitely one of those companies and you just explained how their business works now hear Sheryl Sandberg explain it. We don't sell data ever we

1:04:09 We do not give personal data to advertisers. People come onto Facebook, they want to do targeted ads and that's really important for small business but people want to show ads we take those ads we show them and then we don't pass any individual information back to the advertiser you don't have to pass it because you collect all the information and then you target the ads for the advertisers that's the service right? That you charge the advertisers That's right, and that's a very good service. That's a privacy protective good service Could you come up with a tool that said I do not want Facebook to use my personal profile data To target me for advertising there would you have an opt-out button? Please don't use my profile data for advertising we have different forms of opt out We don't have an opt out at the highest level that would be a paid product I Love the way I love that yeah, that's her talking point everywhere does not

1:05:05 Now if you want to opt out and don't give us your data, that's a paid product. Which really explains exactly what they do! And I've heard that the APRU or the ARPU, the ARPU, the average revenue per user is 25 bucks a quarter? So 100 bucks Facebag is making off of me every year... That's real money That's a lot of money. It actually is quite high, even by working standards. But I think their targeting mechanism is the best. There's no doubt about it but the way they've done this with this you're the product thing and then they switched to not making any sense in what it really means which is what NBC does too

1:05:57 I thought was made might even be subversive. It might be the get people off of the you're the product concepts because they won't, they'll never fully understand it because no, I'm not the product is selling my data and it comes in kind of comes around beautifully by saying hey look We give you ads or else you have to pay and I think people go, oh okay. Well that's the easy one. And them giving me ads has nothing to do with me being the product because the real meta of me being the product is never explained Let's hear it. Just that this is corrupt talking to corruption Yeah, we can't have the viewer actually understand what's going on here? That would be wrong This is the former head of Google's G plus and

1:06:48 He is I think was NPR and he was talking about the data and the access to user data, etc And I think being the former head of Google Plus may make him a little bit biased. It's not announced in this interview It just former Google guy executive but yeah, he was their direct competitor here's what he had to say about that data access or sale. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg will be facing tough questions when he appears before Congress in the coming days at the top of the list, The scandal involving Cambridge Analytica that's the company that's been accused of improperly obtaining data from millions of Facebook users then using that information for its work on political campaigns reportedly including the Trump campaign. Let's hear now from someone with a long history in Silicon Valley Yonatan Zunger

1:07:36 The former Google engineer recently wrote in the Boston Globe that this scandal is just more evidence that the entire tech industry faces an ethical crisis. The method by which Cambridge Analytica got the data from Facebook was a system Facebook built almost specifically for the purpose of making it easy for companies to harvest information about networks of individuals Right. And you write that over and over again throughout history, and also in recent years in the tech field companies work on something with a specific intention and then the product is used with only a slightly degree off from that intention in a way that nobody thought about and causes a lot of harm? Absolutely! Something I always tell people is that any idiot can build a system, any amateur can make it perform. Professionals think about how a system will fail

1:08:26 It's very common for people to think about how a system will work if it is used the way they imagine it. But they don't think about how that system might work, if it were used by a bad actor or could be used just by a perfectly ordinary person who is just a little different from what the person designing it is like. Conclusion? Those face-bag guys are no good! We Googlers – we're smart! We're much smarter than them. We think about both sides of the equation and I'm sure he did that…just that. With Google+, and that's why it failed. Here is representative Ro Khanna Who was very upset about what face bag is doing? So, oh what do you want to hear from Mark Zuckerberg this week? What questions do you think he needs? Am I the product that would be the question I'd have hey suck am I the product

1:09:19 Well, I'm glad he's testifying. I'm glad he is doing media interviews and I hope that he will come out for well-crafted regulations. I personally have advocated that we need an Internet Bill of Rights It is time the tech leaders like Zuckerberg embrace that including a right to know what your data is A right to be able to transfer your data, a right to delete your data There are number of common sense provisions that we need enshrined into law And when you say common sense, you know he means yeah we're never gonna do anything. But it does kind of dovetail and there's more to this clip it does kind of dovetail into the GDPR which kicks off this month the global data protection rules which pertain to the EU mainly but they have the G word in there meaning global and uh this is harmonization of the universe oh yeah! This is harmonization

1:08:26 It's very common for people to think about how a system will work if it is used the way they imagine it. But they don't think about how that system might work, if it were used by a bad actor or could be used just by a perfectly ordinary person who is just a little different from what the person designing it is like. Conclusion? Those face-bag guys are no good! We Googlers – we're smart! We're much smarter than them. We think about both sides of the equation and I'm sure he did that…just that. With Google+, and that's why it failed. Here is representative Ro Khanna Who was very upset about what face bag is doing? So, oh what do you want to hear from Mark Zuckerberg this week? What questions do you think he needs? Am I the product that would be the question I'd have hey suck am I the product

1:09:19 Well, I'm glad he's testifying. I'm glad he is doing media interviews and I hope that he will come out for well-crafted regulations. I personally have advocated that we need an Internet Bill of Rights It is time the tech leaders like Zuckerberg embrace that including a right to know what your data is A right to be able to transfer your data, a right to delete your data There are number of common sense provisions that we need enshrined into law And when you say common sense, you know he means yeah we're never gonna do anything. But it does kind of dovetail and there's more to this clip it does kind of dovetail into the GDPR which kicks off this month the global data protection rules which pertain to the EU mainly but they have the G word in there meaning global and uh this is harmonization of the universe oh yeah! This is harmonization

1:10:16 This is the Trilateral Commission, John. Do you think there's room especially in an election year to get something passed that deals with this? I absolutely think there is. The reason is that even Republicans and Libertarians will support, I believe, an individual's right to privacy —to their own data—this is a case where technology has moved lightning fast and the laws haven't caught up should be some common sense principles that will assure the American public that their rights are going to be protected online. You know, both political parties have long embraced Silicon Valley and you yourself got a lot of key endorsements from tech figures including Facebook CEO Sheryl Sandberg

1:10:59 But from the beginning, the whole point of social media was to monetize people's personal data. And in recent years campaigns have done a lot of bragging about how efficiently they can micro target voters. So what's changed here? I'm so very proud of representing Silicon Valley, proud of having Cheryl's support. And I think she can play a very constructive role now in articulating the right type of regulation that we need. I guess what I'd say is I still believe in the power of social media – the Parkland Kids are using Facebook Live to get their message out and mobilize, and Twitter to help mobilize. What he means to say is I'm just so happy with the power of the face bag is where our stooges who have all these crazy non-profits can hypnotize children turn them into zombies and mobilize them through social media

1:11:51 That's what he is really saying. This is a fantastic tool! It's social media. I guess what I'd say, I still believe in the power of social media The Parkland kids are using Facebook Live to get their message out and mobilize and Twitter to help mobilize the new generation it would be wrong to say let not have social media when the next generation has been inspired politically by it but 2016 showed us is that these technologies can be very dangerous if they are abused. Very dangerous! I love the arrogance of this prick by saying, well you know we shouldn't just outlaw it you know but because that's what we can do cause that's a you know I'm a representative here and so... It was very very dangerous if done in wrong way. You're full of crap this guy's a douche.

1:12:39 Now but now You know we've been following this and I have the act in front of me regulation will be required Facebook will require authorization for the purchase of any issue related ads an authentication Of pages with tens of thousands of followers Facebook is still working out the details of how it will authenticate and authorize Mark Zuckerberg writing quote these steps by themselves won't stop all people trying to game the system But they will make it a lot harder for anyone to do what the Russians did during the 2016 election and use fake accounts and pages to run ads. Consumers can expect a lot more disclosures identifying political issue ads as well information about who paid for them this of course is Facebook rushes out a range of changes ahead Zuckerberg's testimony next week latest attempt to show policymakers that it has the platform under control

1:13:29 Yeah, so they're ahead of the game. They know exactly what's coming down So they're trying to get you know look good and and have everything all set because what is coming up now is the honest ads act Yeah this is the way... And this is Warner & McCain and Klobuchar! So this is bipartisan and I just need... Well Warner's an asshole Klobuchar's an asshole yeah and McCain well hey it's a tricep It's a trasshole This is the Honest Ads Act and the purpose of this act is to enhance the integrity of American democracy and national security by improving disclosure requirements for online political advertisements. And you know, so the actual law is not that interesting but the findings of Congress are quite interesting they also define some things for us

1:14:23 In the preamble of findings, Moscow's influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations such as cyber activity with overt efforts by Russian government agencies state-funded media third party intermediaries and paid social media users or trolls They've redefined troll next time somebody calls me a troll. I want to know where my check is Yeah, I mean they've redefined troll right there. They redefined it you have to be paid well actually the media redefined it for us then they go into The Had some research done by let's see

1:15:07 The Computational Propaganda Research Project at Oxford Internet Institute Jeez. Who found that the Kremlin... I don't know, who found that the Kremlin is using pro-Russian bots Pro Russian bots like oh look at that bot! I'm a bot, I love Russia. I am a bot, I love Russia. That's a pro-Russian bot. Is there such thing as a bot with some sort of political preference? Yeah he's pro-russian. I am a bot and i think for myself That's that's the fear crap. That's the fears that the bots will eventually start thinking for themselves, but yeah This is you know you can't write this if we were to write something funny about it right? Yeah, I have a bot What do you want me to think so they found that the Kremlin is using pro-russian bots to manipulate public disclosure To a highly targeted audience listen to this marketing jargon

1:16:00 With a sample of nearly 1,000...1 million 300 thousand tweets researchers found in the 2016 elections three decisive states propaganda constituted. In the 26 elections three decisive states propaganda constituted 40% of the sampled election related tweets that went to Pennsylvanians 34 percent to Michigan voters and 30 percent to those in Wisconsin this is pretty well-defined numbers here I'm not quite sure how they did that. But anyway, I don't know how you do that either How do you know if somebody's in Wisconsin? You got to be at the Oxford Internet Institute I mean Yeah, I see just Sam Adams at Sam Adams and he says I am a teacher and a professor And I and I like to plant weeds and then it doesn't usually say where you're from Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't I mean I've got West Coast is my location but also isn't it interesting that

1:16:53 Facebag is under attack yet this document here is about Twitter. Yeah, now This is just these numbers are very interesting on September 6 2017 the nation's largest social media platform disclosed in between June Russia entities purchased $100,000 and political advertisements publishing macro Publishing roughly 3,000 ads linked to fake accounts associated with the Internet Research Agency a pro-Kremlin organization which according to the company, the ads purchase focused on quote amplifying divisive social and political messages. But what's interesting a little just a little bit further down is according to a study from Burrell Associates in 2016 that is this most recent election well I'm gonna ask you and asked John how much money was spent in online advertising

1:17:51 Across the entire spectrum, all parties all candidates. 250 million? That's low man. You ready for this? 1.4 billion! 1.4 billion online?! Yep And so but the Russians with their $100,000 were the cheesy ads that were more laughable than they were advertising They swung the election People are wasting their money Well Okay, so what they're changing now in this law. I'll just give you that little piece here is They strike out in the federal election campaign act of 19 seconds stop Let's go back and contemplate this a little more 1.4 billion online yes

1:18:43 So this would really, this has got to really gulf less Moonves. Yes! ABC and NBC all the radio stations and probably some of the big newspapers although they have online presence so they could probably benefit from some of that but I don't think CBS really... Made a killing on online. No, this is that this is yeah This is I don't believe that number but anyway, okay Yeah, we have reason to believe the 34% propaganda in Wisconsin I mean come on as the Internet Research Agency of the came Oxford Cambridge something British It's authoritarian

1:19:24 So the law... Sorry, continue. No I'll just finish this up The law is amended this act by striking or satellite communication and inserting satellite paid internet or paid digital communication and then a little further on they're going to strike on broadcast stations or our newspaper blah blah and change it to in any public communication And then finally They will be inserting the clause Any news story, commentary editorial distributed through the facilities of any broadcasting station or any print online or digital newspaper magazine blog publication periodical unless broadcasting print online digital facilities are owned or controlled by any political party political candidate committee etc. So they really you can have to disclose if you have anything to do with political money You're gonna have to disclose it

1:20:20 And they also want commentary and editorials to disclose. Well that's probably a plus! Yeah, for us it is yes but I think a lot of people may be like hmm hold on a second... But here's the funny thing this is guy from The Daily Standard Is that a right-wing job? The Daily Standard? Yeah Okay well he has he draws some obvious conclusions Here we go. Is this the beginning of a watershed moment for big tech? I think so and i don't think necessarily for the obvious reasons, I think there's two big threats to Facebook right now one is that people will stop using the social media company We're beginning to see that a little bit and we were before any of this all happened The other threat I think for facebook in particular is that the data which is their currency facebook is basically an ad

1:21:12 company so what they sell is ads and how they sell it is because people voluntarily use that company. So I think the other threat is that these ads basically don't work, and that I think the Cambridge Analytica release... I think its obviously detrimental to the company but I think it's mostly detrimental because I think it shows those ads didn't actually work as effectively as perhaps promised and that poses a huge existential threat to the company as it stands currently. You say the words Cambridge Analytica and that is closely and understandably linked to the Trump campaign in President Trump's victory in the 2016 election, how much of this outrage you think stems from the political consequences versus the goodness of politicians who want to protect all of us from big tech?

1:22:02 I think most of this current outrage is for that reason exactly, political expediency. A lot of people especially on the political left have been searching desperately to try and explain the election of Donald Trump they don't know how Donald Trump got elected and here they have apparently found another reason well it's Facebook Facebook was giving unfettered access to this Cambridge Analytica which was then targeting people with ads and that must be how Donald Trump won. I'm suggesting something else, that the ads didn't really have any effect on anybody... What evidence do you have for the theory that the ads didn't work and thus Facebook ad sales are gonna plummet? There's been great articles particularly one in Mother Jones showing that Cambridge Analytica basically didn't know what they were doing at all and they were basically selling bunk

1:22:47 all these campaigns. They tried it with the Ted Cruz campaign, they tried it to the Ben Carson campaign incidentally one of the people who didn't fall for it was Trump at one point campaign manager Paul Manafort who of course we know for other reasons and he thought the whole thing was garbage but it was pushed on them by donors and so they felt like they had to use it in a Trump campaign there's no evidence at all that it actually did work and i think its incumbent on people to make the argument that it did work rather than people disprove a negative. Well, that will be interesting to see how much that comes out in these hearings Mark Zuckerberg up on The Hill coming up next week and we also will hear from him probably in the coming days as well we heard from couple days ago too Daniel Halper appreciate it as always That's actually not...

1:23:36 Well, a couple of things to this guy. This is the worst... Who's that guy was interviewing this character who is offbeat? The guy didn't have the right questions Big Tech is not Facebook to me How's big tech...? Big Tech as Intel! Big Tech as Apple! Big Tech is anything but Facebook Is Amazon Big Tech? No it's a big retailer Nah I think Amazon is a big tech company they provide AWS Okay you're right They became a big tech company Facebag is part of Fang Fang. Fang? Facebook, Apple, Amazon Netflix Google. Fang! Yeah it's categorized with them but it's not to me... It's a social media company is not a tech- it's a company that sells advertising to make a living. It doesn't sell product. A tech company to me has the product to sell at AWS as a product this people can subscribe to you and go on there and get your web space or your blog up there

1:24:37 But this is nonsense. So he starts over the bad premise, big tech, big tech is big tech gonna suffer and then he says they ads don't work when they ads do work those as do work but it he says why how don't they working? He says his example is because Cambridge Analytica didn't know what they were doing. How does not knowing what you're doing have anything to do with it not working. If you don't know what you're doing, how can you make a judgment about whether the product works or not? It makes no sense! This was an idiotic interview with a moron. Oh I'm glad you liked it. What were we supposed to get out of it? Another meme... Okay But I think the meme is solid Where'd you get this from? Uh, that's-it might be Fox Business. That host sounded like one of those people

1:25:31 I think the meme is solid. This is the one thing Zuckerberg doesn't want to come out of this testimony, so did Donald Trump get elected because of facebag or not? Of course he wants everyone to think that the answer is yes but he doesn't want Uh, to be... Oh no. It's a dilemma! Yes. Yeah. Dilemma is the correct word. If he did get elected because of the $100,000 worth of ads that means those ads were beyond effective. Right So he has to try and get that message across without I don't know how he's going to do it This is tightrope walk for him

1:26:18 Meanwhile and you got guys like this going on about big tech being a hurt, but it just Well would you do me a favor? And would you just keep keep an eye out on the on the broadcast networks how they're discussing face back because yeah well after Tuesday We're gonna know a lot more. No this is true Yeah But most importantly is how will it be presented to the consumer Because he has to the media can hammer this shit onto under regular Joe's They're gonna have to. I think your initial theory, which i really forgot to even consider the theory that the networks in particular

1:26:58 don't like Facebook because, I mean they'd like to use it and maybe they take some advantage of it but then when they start thinking about it. Especially not the 1.4 billion dollar number When you really yes and there's saying this is money You're right this is money that is being stolen The way they see it Yeah Stolen from us We're the rightful owners of this money Give it to us All your base belongs to me This our money you are taking And so they're not going to respond positively. So they're gonna keep slamming Facebook. Alright, so that's what I want you to keep an eye on? I'm sure i can find plenty of examples and with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C U N S E stands for cloning our success! Dvorak! In the morning to you Mr Adam Curry...in the morning all ships have seen

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1:42:00 But I had the last laugh. The downside of being faithful no agenda listener is my lack of patience with the bullshit native ads and propaganda being spoon-fed to...to the MSM...MSM viewers It has gotten so bad that my wife is unable to watch the news with me Well, hopefully she listens to this show with you Do they listen together? Other than weather Yeah well..I don't know if she does he never says I don't think she does Uh Even then even when he watches the weather a scoff escapes when global warming statement is made Anyway, I'm headed over He's got a he's got to get her listening to the show man. They mean they've had a rocky go of it You know and so he sitting there going global warring and she's rolling her eyes Yeah, you're gonna get divorced again if she's not careful yet

1:42:56 Anyway, I'm headed over to Germany for a couple of weeks later this month and then the UK after a few weeks after that. I'll do my best so you get some boots on the ground information for ya. Good good good He does say one little PS which i'l read Potential show topic. I grew up in Southern California and went to school elementary grade high during the 60s and 70s when California still had one of the best educational systems in the country Yeah, those days are over Anyway, I was taught when speaking of another person and myself to mention the other person first eg Bill And I yes how I was taught too and that's a way you speak You just did it earlier in the show Yep

1:43:34 Nowadays, all I hear is me and Bill. This is on mainstream television podcasts and on the street and in the office. Good point good observation! I first noted this around the turn of the century but it has gotten worse and worse since then did they change the way English grammar is taught or maybe grammar's no longer taught? Anyway that's my rant That's not just a rant. That's a great observation I think that's what you gotta pay attention to that are you actually sitting behind the drum kit is that Do you have a holder for your I can just see you now, so you're in the chaise lounge You've got the drum kit angled just so Still in the middle of it you got your crash cymbals Just so you get your bongos you got a snare drums. You got a snare drum. Where's your snare? Oh

1:44:26 I don't have a snare. Somebody get John a snare! I need a snare, but I need a snare and cymbals so i'm using the gong if you hit it on the side it sounds like a little bit like a cymbal yeah but to do the rim shot you also need to kick It'd be nice, you know. But then I'm kind of... that's a little too much gear. Oh! Too much gear? The man who does the podcast with the plug-in USB mic. Give me a break. A Yeti Blue. I always use that. All right everybody, thank you very much to our executive and instant night as well and our associate executive producers This is highly appreciated. You are what keeps the show going as you will hear? You are not the product view In fact we elevate you to being the producer because that's what you truly are That's how transparent and authentic We are it's got a throw it authentic in there John Gen Z loves it

1:45:20 I love being authentic. Very authentic We'll be thanking more people along with our ceremony for our brand new nights and our birthdays coming up in a little bit And remember we do have another show coming up on Thursday where i will have a full report from my meeting with the king and the queen of The Netherlands Remember us at devorak.org slash N A And that's exactly what I should be doing when I meet the royal too, I shall propagate the formula Our formula is this... We go out..we hit people in the mouth Shit! Your request was granted in spades. I like it, that is a jingle! Now this is a great jingle And of course... That could actually lead into an entire song

1:46:28 You know what? It also has a Pepsi vibe to it, which is what I really like. Yeah. The best thing I ever did was getting off the grid Fold your Zinnia cup! There it is, it's Folgers. It took a second but I knew... The best thing I ever did was getting off the grid Nice As long as it sounds like something, it'll work. Secret agent Paul, yeah secret agent Paul man he's the guy who does all the cool ones But then as you heard earlier, we had the collab between Melissa Talon a famous Australian musician and Chris Wilson, a famous Australian

1:47:16 Beer drinker? What does he do? He's a beer drinker. He fosters. So I like that but it's a jingle, I mean it's cool But as a jingle it's not quite as good as secret agent Pauls. But people more people had the same idea including Tom Nonymous I Think that says little better lyrics

1:48:06 Can't find me. Yeah, otg you can't find me I like that a lot I like that too But I do it's also like Adams oTG because it makes sound like there's some sort of defective Well truth in advertising eh So I'm working on Otg being off the grid There's a lot of confusion about what that means to me and then what I'm actually trying to do because you know And I just stopped responding to Twitter, and there will the reason why there was a lot of Twitter Activity is because I got my pager in My two-way pager, and it works yeah before he even checked out whether it works You put a whole put it in a holster. He started walking around at Austin That's the word

1:48:52 The holster did clip on the belt quite quickly. Yes, I was testing and well just briefly about the pager... The way it's set up is that i can send and receive email and I can send and receive SMS-based text messages. What's cool about this for text messaging is you are not connecting to the cell phone grid, to the cell phone network to send the messages which is part of my OTG mission is to not have my phone or the device that triangulated triangulate me exactly and apps are doing this

1:49:35 Apps are doing it. Lord knows, the conclusion I can give you... The big giveaway is the smartphones with the apps is evil dangerous and you got to stay away from it all this shit that's happening underneath the covers I mean even an app that looks at your accelerometer You know? It was like how are you holding the phone now he must be lying down right now! I mean that kind of stuff is very accessible but this location stuff when I noticed that Facebag had found out that I was in Bryan College Station even though I hadn't used it on my phone or at all as far as i know you know for all of a sudden, it says oh you were over here and... It freaked you out man! No. A little just like it made me more aware and when you send the text message from this device which is a business opportunity we'll talk about your going through

1:50:30 I think it's 900 megahertz. It could even be a 400 megahertz device for all i know, let me see if it says that on there and so the first thing you notice is when I'm like oh cool I'm going to send myself a text message and I send it and it took like a minute-and-a-half and you forget the instantaneous nature of today's communications And the reason why that happens is this, you know there are these radio transceivers and they're listening for a signal. I send out little ping hey my little Adams one watt pager here i got a message and then it has to switch says okay pings back alright bring on in send your message and then its routed through so it takes a minute to a minute-and-a-half as simple as it seems when you actually witness that delay it's jarring just like holy shit I forgot all about

1:51:21 And the same goes for receiving obviously, but yeah, but the triangulation from a douchebag Silicon Silicon Valley company point of view is really not possible for them. I mean technically Of course it's possible because so that's really the genesis of where I started I am a little tired of being the product and So my idea here of OTG is to eliminate or minimize at best the usage of the smartphone, social nets and to really guard myself from any general profiling. And at the same time getting a... I'm now discovering a well-needed digital detox and I tried this out last night at The Big Bandana Ball. I took the pager with me and Tina now pretty much exclusively texts me on the pager

1:52:13 which is kind of a business opportunity because it becomes very personal if you only have a couple people who have the number and then it's like the love buzzer, you know? Oh must be Tina or John either one. I love them both and you could buy them in two! You could have your own little private Love Buzz network. You're overwhelmed with my idea I can tell. I think that's another good no agenda idea. Yeah perfect so When I checked in at this event and have a silent auction and everything so they and that's all done on tablets these days It's all computerized And so you the idea is you walk up? You register to say yeah, you're in the database another database that I'm in of course which is run by another third company somewhere else

1:53:02 Give us your credit card, thanks. Now that's in there and then you can bid on stuff as you walk past it on your smartphone." And I said to the ladies of volunteers, I said, ah, I don't have my phone with me and they look at me like what? What? I say yeah! I'm using this and I whip out the pager... There were squeals of delight John. Actually wasn't squeals of ridicule no no squealer is not much of a difference now know by and I asked I followed up with follow-up questions But they were... it's really only two kinds of squeals of delight. One is the person who goes, oh I had one just like that! You know like guys in business suit idea you know? Like 50 year olds. Oh that's ah! And then certainly some of the younger female subjects at the bandana ball. Ah that's so cute! John they were squealing in delight

1:53:59 And then I said, yes this is a...I'm trying to... So cute. Yeah! They threw their panties at me and they just love the page. Wooo! And then I said yeah i'm doing a digital detox and immediately went oh yeah right that good idea. Immediately the market researches in this is something people want So in the second part of my quest, I still need to do certain things. And i'm only starting this while on the road at home and working on that An actual device that connects to the cell phone network is just not where it's at when you're using apps etc even browsers none of that so are you bored already? Is that why your blowing your recorder? No no, I am getting this ready

1:54:51 This is the whistle. The cuckoo clock? Is that what you're trying to do? The whistle, the cuckoo whistle! So at minimum you need a VPN if you're going to use a Wi-Fi device and there are some actual pretty good Proxies out there with that instead of blocking ads it actually installs a proxy on your phone And it just routes those to nothing so you know yeah, you can as you can say It's a great gag by the way anything from anything from face bag. It just doesn't come through Just did it's just blocked at the network level So that will eliminate some of the tracking obviously and

1:55:33 And I would say only use a device with a browser. Don't use an app, the browser is bad enough and have you seen the Brave Browser? I've learned so much. It has been around for awhile actually...I'm very impressed with this they have some interesting ideas. I've played with it, it also has issues but there's another one that I wish I could remember the name of this is more impressive. What I like about the Brave browser is two things 1. It was the guy who was ridiculed out of Silicon Valley, the Firefox guy

1:56:11 donated some money to some group who don't like gays and then he had to resign. Oh that, yes that guy was right it was... He was the head of Mozilla I believe Yeah yeah, maybe there's a Mozilla foundation. He said something or gave some money No no, money! He gave money to some group that doesn't like gays And then he was shamed out Yes, he was shamed out I agree he was shamed out but i dont know if that group was an anti-gay group or not? No, of course not But what I recall when we discussed it We looked into it I put a little flag in my mind like the guy probably got screwed. That's, I think that was our conclusion the guy got screwed. Yes he got screwed So he's back it brings a lot of knowledge with him and what he is doing is he's reversing the process He saying The best place to track what you're doing Is your browser Your browser knows everything so instead of just shooting all this information about you through your browser into the server that you're communicating with

1:57:08 Why don't we come up with a system that is higher it is blockchain based, but actually an interesting use of blockchain So you can have an money flow ecosystem through a browser extension. That's for another day But the What he has shown very clearly and all this in the show notes by the way Is the profiling of you as a user. I mean cookies, that's a red herring Cookies is the biggest joke and distraction in the world Have you ever heard of canvas fingerprinting? No And apparently this was this issue was raised when HTML 5 was becoming on vogue But no one gave a shit about it Maybe that hate of flash was big or...I don't know what it was

1:57:57 But with HTML5, you can actually draw something on what is called the canvas. The HTML 5 canvas. You know it's a multimedia type of layer in your browser just to keep it simple and then say okay copy and send it back to the server based upon your specific computer which measures your GPU speed, your CPU speed, your clock timing... It'll send back a hash which is just a long number, that is a unique identifier and 99.10% accurate when you use that computer and that browser you are now trackable no matter what else you block even if you have no ads running And this was quite eye-opener to me There's a number of things they can do This is because your browser sends all this information including what fonts you have installed

1:58:50 So, you know if you have this fingerprint and then you have 41 fonts installed someone else has 43. Oh wait a minute that's Dvorak that's Curry so it's a lot more sophisticated than I ever realized So the idea that he has is have something running inside your browser so that it doesn't send all this information, you know. It's not just limited to what computer or what operating system or what browser you're using. There's all this other stuff limiting that and only signaling intent like this person is interested in sports, you know? That's kind of his idea. It's still an advertising model which I'm not crazy about but blocking it all off... And this is what The Brave Browser does

1:59:32 it blocks the canvas fingerprinting. So there's a lot of things you can do with that and I think that i can get pretty close to at least not being abused by Silicon Valley companies who aren't paying me, in fact have more data on me than the census will ever have why they don't ask...why the census doesn't just get it from face bag is beyond me And I think that as I go through it, starting now with the pager and how that's set up. And then right now using the iPod touch but looking at other devices...I think we can all kind of protect ourselves from just being abused and having all these companies

2:00:20 You know being able to control us not forget the advertising. I think the you know this is my eye-opener was the Sponsored posts on face bag that I was happily reading, but they were all really ads You know so someone was clearly putting stuff in front of me that they decided was what? I wanted to read and it worked because you'd wanted to read it yeah But who knows It's I think it's not beyond the realm of possibility. Advertising is usually shit, but memes? Memes work really well yeah so you can start inserting this stuff and there's just way too much data about us to write down to the Roomba. You know the Roomba was selling the layout of people's living rooms to data brokers. I didn't know this! Yeah they just announced they're no longer doing it uh-huh

2:01:13 Wow yeah well those guys are douchebags anyway. Yeah but they're all douche bags this is the thing everything Apple I think is actually the best actor here, I really think that they're kind of trying to you know just keep your stuff over here not pass anything on they got lots of problems and you know they have a centralized iCloud which none of that is good but I kind of trust them a little bit to not be selling stuff in that manner. Every other company is doing it and Google with their Nest and all these integrated products, you know what am I listening to? Through my Sonos... All of this stuff is being logged somewhere every move you make literally every move you make with your phone is being tracked and one or multiple apps are sending that information back somewhere because that's the game

2:02:04 advertising isn't working. Let's look at my way of doing things please I'm not on Facebook for starters, i'd never carry my phone around me except rarely once in a while I do I don't have anything but Angry Birds as an app and those he overheat the phone it's an old phone mm-hmm and uh... I drive old cars that don't have GPS send receive devices in them. I use a VPN all the time on my computer, but I would now be more aware of maybe if I used Brave and a VPN I'd probably be better off. And I don't worry about most of this stuff because I don't really take part in that many things. I kind of think most technology is junk and I don't have a Sonos, so I have old-fashioned gear

2:03:02 Big, giant old-fashioned speakers. I don't have a nest. I use...I have a mechanical thermostat that you said has got mercury in it? All that sort of thing. Yeah, not taking part in this scheme. Absolutely! And absolutely John and you are very smart You were very smart. Whether that's because you're smart or just lazy and didn't give a crap about the new technology is up in the air, but you know... Well it could be up in the air but I don't think its cause im smart. I think its cause Im sensible Yes correct But most people are in my situation and probably alot worse

2:03:48 And, you know... I also don't have an Echo or one of these devices. No? You don't have one? So what i'm doing now this is why call the digital detox it's actually very fun and not bad because you don't have a phone to play with And you got to make it difficult. So I don't carry my Wi-Fi device, the hotspot... It's gotta be difficult to get on and have to go find a Wi-Fi, get a password whatever it is so what the result is You really I can you know The people who can page me are you Tina her daughter's my daughter and that's about it Then I have one or two trigger words of if I want a certain email To be copied to my page or so I know what came in That's all I need

2:04:32 And what happens is you see that half the population around you Fucking zombies. I know it's not a big revelation, but it really becomes fun when you don't have anything to play with Yeah, what are you gonna do play with the pager? You just have nothing so you're looking at other people break out Snake you're looking at other people like holy crap and then you see phone phone phone head bent head bend head bend. I just Everywhere and it became the end you realize how fortunate you are that you're actually alive and breathing at this moment And these people are immersed. This is, you know AI Yes We're gonna get to a I but it's not going to be machine learning and smart machines It's going to be we're gonna wear wet where? We are the AI all all that

2:05:26 The Silicon Valley is missing is the lowest IQ possible, which someone with a low IQ can still drive a truck better than the Tesla automated autonomous truck can drive. Someone with a low IQ could do that better all we need to be able to control them and that's now happening! You just I'm looking at my device turn left here get into cab. Okay, I will start engine I will go we are the AI that Silicon Valley is missing and They're they're not trying to build a brain they're trying to integrate their crap to control ours That's oh cop yes, that's them. That's the big the big joke of all of this. I'm sure of it Well, I think this is a good experiment for you mm-hmm

2:06:15 I think you're maybe too enthusiastic, but in a kind of concerned way it kind of disturbs me. But let us slide. Maybe there is a business opportunity here for these if you get squealing teens Well that was the eye-opener on the business tip is...I think you can just call it The Love Buzz because it's really intimate When only a few people have your pager and you're typing out your messages, no emojis by the way which guess what turns you into a better writer. Isn't that interesting? Where you take time thoughtfulness... Well there's all those old pager codes that are still in play Right but this is alphanumeric Yeah those pager codes were all alphanumeric You could look at pager codes and get a list of them But the idea of this is

2:07:06 It's not like the smartphone with a pop-up keyboard tap, tap, tap, auto complete. No if you got us press two keys to get a comma so you become more thoughtful at what you're doing and You're sending something to someone you really care about because they have your your pager number So I think if you sell them in pairs it's like the love buzz combo What do they cost each? The pager costs $39.95 Does that include anything battery service no the service for unlimited messages is $29.95 a month so your initial outlays $39.99 and $29.99 forever yeah what about limited number of messages? Yeah you can get a 10 buck plan yep yeah and you sell two of them it's probably sell two of them for $49.95 well here's the thing, these are refurbished

2:08:08 Because Motorola doesn't make him anymore. So the and the options are but you can get a made in China Well, I'm thinking to crowdsource Making a new version in China, you know with snappy hip colors The ringtone situation could be adapted somewhat You remember those old ringtones that you had on the on the pager? Oh Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep now. I'll show you my options this will trigger some people here we go We have a standard by the way, never had a pager either no we have sound wave Oh, I hated that one. We have the ring What happened? Ring here we go Arpeggio is very soft and astral ring a bell anybody

2:09:06 I really cell phones had those same sounds yeah So that is the only other thing is the cell phone part and what? I'm doing right now. Is I have the iPod touch which guess I didn't know this Apple allows you to use your main phone number and Link it to other Apple devices so that you can use them to call as if you're calling from your phone with Wi-Fi calling To the iPad touch If I connect to Wi-Fi, I can call any phone number as if i was calling on my T-Mobile account when my phone is just at home and my phone's actually off. My phone is forwarded to the pager number so that when someone calls they get a voicemail, I get a page, I can respond when I have some wi-fi, I can call and I'm still not connected to the cell phone network So you know I'm working out of whole strategy here. I'm glad you're keeping busy Yeah

2:10:02 All my life, all I've done is pick the hits. Whether it's been songs whether it's been technology whether there has been talent... I hate to say it this one with a bullet baby! That's your OTG report for today more as they come along

2:10:38 And tons of info in the show notes. Back to the show! Although we will be stuck with this little segment for the next... Well, you miss out now? Until you get sick of it. You do this by the way every once in a while and it's always the same process It was like Tesla was the same thing. You're enthusiastic and you got it working on it then all of a sudden This'll be six months from now Oh yeah, I had to go back to the phone because... and then you will have a long exposition. Long by that I mean two minutes. A long exposition of why it didn't work the way you'd hoped and it all makes sense Does this mean that you don't care if we don't cut you in on The Pager Company? No, I expect to be cut in

2:11:31 Yes, you are correct and this is what I do. I kick around stuff for months sometimes years at a time and most of it is nothing and sometimes its podcasting. There ya go! At least that one worked out. Yeah okay real money maker well it seemed like a good idea at the time yeah for sure And I like the fact that nobody gives you credit for it thats even funnier. Oh yeah I just laugh all the time with that Well, we're starting up a new thing. What was let's call some experts now back Experts the hell needs that expert schmeck spurts little entremont just to get us in the mood here apologies for the quality This is a promo for the movie chapaquiddick For some reason we have to have all this JFK stuff everywhere That's a Teddy Kennedy. I will Kennedy stuff Yeah You're right But it wasn't chappaquiddick didn't also do a TV thing

2:12:32 I don't remember. Yeah, I think there was that was just recently no just recently there were something oh i thought that Was what we're talking about? No we're talking about the upcoming movie Maybe it is the same thing I don't know but just listen to the tag at the end actually I'm gonna forward this a little bit It's an accident Edge of your seat absorbing Moses had a temper But he never left a girl at the bottom in the Red Sea Chapaquiddick rated pg-13 for thematic material disturbing images some strong language and historical smoking now playing Could you hear that? Historical smoking. Yes, it's a disclaimer now! It has some historical smoking in it I guess you get fined if you... I don't think he'd get fined but yes oh I think there are rules now you can't show like drinking on TV there's all kinds of little gotchas you can't show the actual first sip and all this stuff so historical smoking there must be some rule

2:13:27 The way we had to look into this the way historical smoking is a disclaimer. Yeah I'm only smoking old cigarettes old school, baby Historical smoking I just put that on your medical form historical smoking only Okay, here we go. So I've been you know as me I have this thing about Brooks and Shields Yeah about them being on the same side all the time they're on the same side They are what's the point is that day? What it's the point of having two people just agreeing with each other constantly because they both hate Trump

2:14:04 I mean Brooks was embarrassed by saying right from the get-go, it'd be a great little compilation when he first said oh He's a peak 25% is not going for that. This guy's an idiot Oh 30 percent of you don't know why he got them anyway things on and on they won't win their primaries Don't worry about any wins now. You won't win is in any wins so the guy and he says I don't know I guess I'm always wrong Yeah if you're always wrong what are you being on this show for? So they got this guy What was his name? Salim Rahan Salaam, who is a it looks like an Indian perhaps. Who's one of the executive editors at The National Review who they put on with shields and it's like night and day. Oh! The guy actually I mean they won't bring him back

2:14:49 Because he actually explains, he does what he's supposed to do. He explains what's going on. Why is Trump doing it this way? Well here's a possible... I don't know why but here's a possible reason and then he says it and then Shields gets all bent out of shape because all nervous. Shields hates this guy because the guy just was calm So it's finally the format that it was intended to be. Yes, finally the format is intended to be they'll never invite the guy back I wish they would but let's listen to a couple of just a couple of examples something you've never heard on the PBS NewsHour actually explaining

2:15:26 A situation that makes sense, not at all. Trump's just a moron! He's unhinged! And the hordes of rapists descending upon us are quite contrary to fact and reality but I don't think Judy that this is helping Republicans who are increasingly discouraging situation and condition heading in November 2020 2018. We find out later when he's making these statements the administration wasn't prepared, the Pentagon wasn't prepared to explain what was going on with the troops in Syria. They say there are no plans as far as they know to bring them home immediately so it What is trying... The president trying to accomplish? Well one way to think about it Is that every president has a set of ideas and commitments And then they wind up being pretty frustrated by the time you get into your administration You recognize the limits of your authority

2:16:35 can be very difficult. If you look at Barack Obama, for example, he really ran as an anti-war candidate. He came into office and found gosh the national security establishment is has this very different position to me and I'm feeling this incredible pressure, this responsibility that's weighing on me. And then you wind up taking positions that are not necessarily the ones that are your first instinct Donald Trump however, he's taking this different tack where he's actually negotiating in public So he may well get this these arguments from folks who want to take a more restrained cautious approach But then when he makes these statements in public Then it actually forces folks and its administration who might want to push against those tendencies To align with him to the extent possible and that is kind of negotiating with his own administration happening in public

2:17:21 So he's trying to move the bureaucracy, Mark? What do you think? I'm not sure. Because if he were...I think he'd invest some time in private meetings and try to persuade. He's not a good journo! So the guy says a very interesting explanation I've never heard before but it makes nothing but sense and then Shields' response is, whoa whoa whoa no no he should be having meetings which is exactly what Obama did to get him off the anti-war thing. He needs meetings? It was just like...

2:17:57 I thought the guy just nailed it and then you know Shields didn't even understand what he was talking about. No, all Shields just heard nut job alt-right nut job Unhinged yeah unhinge the voice in his head went he's unhinged He's alright so here's another example of a similar like X logical explanation that would that does present an interpretation of what's going on, that actually makes sense to Trump supporters. Republican or Democrat? I mean because it basically means people are uncertain about their own position and their own longevity and their relationship with each other And i just think its pernicious over a period of time. Is there danger of two?

2:18:45 Yeah, pernicious. It's like a corrupt in a way that's kind of slow eating away at things and I just think it's just pernicious over a period of time Is there a danger of too much uncertainty? Oh, I absolutely think there is a lot of danger of uncertainty There is another way to look at it though which is that with a lot of presidents you eventually have that divorce with the base out of that sense that this person has gone native let say This person made a series promises and commitments. And Donald Trump is particularly vulnerable to that because he is the candidate of authenticity, he's the candidate who gained this enormous following because the sense that he was genuine and not like other conventional politicians but conventional politicians are conventional politicians because that kind of discipline in careful planning uh... and not letting things blow up in your face works right? But he senses that vulnerability any speaking to it at a time when there isn't much of a republican agenda in congress so then

2:19:40 you know, the deck is cleared and he gets to fill that vacuum with his own instincts. Nice! So we actually have somebody that makes this interesting although it you can tell Shields was rattled because it wasn't having somebody say yeah yeah yeah you're right like Brooks does And it'll be interesting to see if they bring this guy back on. I personally don't think we'll ever see him again Do you think that's still highly watched, that segment? Do you think people watch that at all or is just... Yeah i think its stopped being watched like a year ago because of Brooks. I think he ruined the segment Are you single-handedly keeping them afloat now? Is that the idea? Im hoping too!

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2:28:07 You know, I think you're way overdue for doing that. Yeah, I think so too Okay, I got to figure it out. We can do a joint meetup on Sunday No, no timing doesn't work because right here be doing the show at midnight Hey everybody! It's Monday 1am Welcome to the NO Agenda Show Meet Up all three of ya Mm-hmm Good move to show up No. Okay, now the show doesn't start until 6 p.m.. In yeah in the Netherlands and have they changed time yet? Are they on I have no idea asking me I realized that I think it's only and I'd like to know this from our producers Here's a call out the chat room the troll room could even get us started

2:28:56 In America we call it daylight saving time. So we're saving daylight somehow, or saving daylight Yeah but in our pocket But you know what they call it in the Netherlands? Brilliantly Stupid day No Springtime and winter time What time does springtime start? This way we don't need all these... So was that during the Singapore War was called springtime for Hitler? So I wonder if every country calls it springtime or daylight saving Whatever I had a separate thought as this came to me that's kind of odd because i need to know if they're seven hours ahead now or six hours ahead of me. Maybe, maybe the weather is really and climate in general was controlled by our collective conscience and the elites need us to kickstart into spring so we have to all think about it. There have been... I'm all over it

2:30:01 It's not that bad an idea. It could be like, hey we got a kickstart spring let's have everyone do that clock thing fools I know i guess i'm wrong okay i have a couple of clips left uh this was during one of just some casual conversation and it was the guy who wrote a uh Chinese guy who wrote a book on China's coming collapse I think is the name of it mm-hmm and his name is Chang and he mentions this little ditty China 2025.

2:30:59 because they want to dominate 10 critical sectors, including aircraft electric cars semiconductors. That's just completely unacceptable not only to the United States but to the rest of the world because they're using industrial policy to do that you know when you look at what President Trump is doing I mean he understands that this current trend can't continue and i think that what we're going to see is President Trump's gonna use American power, the Chinese are going to shrink back because they have no choice. Because their economy is so dependent on ours. Trump understands that a President Obama unfortunately didn't and neither did president Bush before him so I'm sort of

2:31:37 optimistic that Larry Kudlow is actually right, that the Chinese will slink back and we'll see the pot of gold. Excuse me Gordon you know what this reminds me off? It reminds me of Daniel Patrick Moynihan saying he didn't point out the weaknesses structurally going on in the Soviet Union when it came to the living age of the health problems of the people in the Soviet Union. Watch out what's really happening in China when you tear that lid off! That's coming. Gordon good to see you thanks so much thanks for coming Yeah, we always forget. We talked about China 2025 before and it just kind of gets lost in the shuffle but yeah it's there at end run they want to take over the whole world. And why is that we don't hear anything about the Three Belts No Road project? In this country we never hear about it

2:32:29 Here I have the... It's almost as though we're working with this like our media is working for the Chinese to completely subvert the United States so we can just become part of just some stooges in a one world government run by who knows who. I found an old clip that was titled China 2025, 30 seconds let's listen You are back with The World Today China is to step up efforts to help the country transform its industrial sector. That's the message from Minister of Industry and Information Technology, Miao Wei who made comments on the sidelines of Beijing's ongoing political sessions. Along with Vice-Minister Xin Guobin and Ministry Spokesman Zhang Feng, Miao elaborated on pushing forward with and implementing the Made in China 2025 strategy designed to transform China into a world manufacturing powerhouse."

2:33:19 Huh, isn't it great by the way how with this little rinky-dink podcast we do something that huge teams would not be able to do? You mean, if this is the simplest of things and point out that it's like crazy going along with a program? Not even that but imagine we're sitting in the NPR studios and of course We're not running the board. We have an engineer and he's on the other side of the glass and you know I'm a producer Yeah, I have a producer as well producers sitting there And then say hey, you know, uh...we've talked about this before The producer goes, shit do we have a clip? Do you have a clip then yeah we got to have an intern go and search the database. Oh do we have a clip? We have a clip here and by this time it's too late Yeah the timing is gone. Yeah China 2020 That's right lean in Maine! Lean in Maine! China 2025 Well I'm sorry...I mean if we're gonna do a deal

2:34:16 Yeah, right now we're in Afghanistan. This is a huge problem for the Chinese for their expansion of the new Silk Road which is their one road one belt strategy which is really three roads we've counted and no belts but they have the maritime shipping lanes... They've got a lot of stuff and it seems that were blocking some of this progress wherever they want to set up shop at port there's always some kind issue with doing our best to block. We really are Trump never mentions this. Never! Why? I mean, he can't be stupid... Part of his negotiating strategy Well so what is he doing with it? Is he keeping that in the back of his pocket? He's saying okay you know was he really talking to the Chinas like that saying yeah look we're gonna keep messing with you in Afghanistan We're gonna mess with you in Pakistan because you know we've chosen India and we're gonna we're going to mess with you there but unless Unless you straighten up shape up

2:35:13 Have no idea it's possible. I just find it odd that Trump who seems to know everything about China never mentions this Maybe it's not even his policy to do that It might be one of the agents one of the three-letter agencies, it could be the military could be the DI I mean who knows yeah? We don't just long established We don't we don't know well policy does mess with the Chinese because they keep like taking over the place Did you know that In the United States of Gitmo Nation, nearly a third of all students are homeless and hungry in college.

2:35:54 I don't believe that for a minute. We're at the kangaroo pantry and we're currently working on filling orders This is food bank at the University. We have students, faculty and staff that arrive to the pantry And they submit their food request forms and then whenever they are done filling out that form our volunteers take it in the back and then we proceed to fill the order So there's a lot of misconceptions when it comes to food insecurity in college students. A lot of folks believe that college students are able to secure their food needs relatively easily, when in reality we notice the opposite. The majority of our clients here even though we are also open to faculty and staff are students and oftentimes they're making decisions where they have to decide whether or not to get groceries for the week or whether to pay utilities

2:36:45 even our students on financial aid. Sometimes, you know, financial aid runs out maybe it's not able to cover items like food and utilities so they're really having to make that tough call So the kangaroo pantry is open for students who need us as long as they identify as needing food we're going to be able to help them Is that a gender now? I identify as needing food Just identify. Yeah, just identify. So you think it's a ruse? You think they're buying Adderall and getting free food? I have no idea where was this kangaroo sounds like something in Australia No it was I think mmm Michigan maybe

2:37:31 I think it was Michigan. What school? Do you have any idea? Uh, I could dig for more information. Uh, I'll come back with more information. This is now your new beat. Yes! Starving students. Starving students... yes the starving students So there's one news story that got a lot of attention and i got the biggest kick out of it since we every once in awhile talk about cruise lines Ah and puking Puking, Legionnaires' disease, Noro. Yeah why would you go on a cruise? Well ask Horowitz he's a big cruise nut I believe me i said it exactly like that to him when he suggested we all four of us go on a cruise! To Thailand or whatever There is bunch of people out there that are cruising nuts and they love going on but I don't know about this one in Norwegian is supposed to be the absolute best of the best supposedly but I don't think so

2:38:28 Of course, this could have been planted by Kunar. Yes, by a competitor sure. A luxury vacation more like a splitting headache for some Norwegian cruise goers who paid thousands of dollars for what they call a nightmare. They were sanding, they were using hammer drills, they were making tons of noise. Norwegian Sun left Miami March 16th, a two-week trip ending in Los Angeles It was a full blown construction zone that's not peaceful in any way shape or form Decks cornered off for improvement Construction dust everywhere materials stockpiled Basically they're herding us around like cattle because we couldn't use sections of the ship

2:39:09 Here it is, 1123. Noise from power tools! This is what we've got to listen to... The smell of chemicals making some feel ill. The ship's captain tried to quiet a crowd of angry passengers. The effort sunk. Norwegian cruise lines responding, we do recognize that during a recent sailing we did not meet the expectations of our guests nor our own standards for which we truly apologize. Offering passengers credit for a future cruise matching the fare they paid. I had like a full refund for this cruise it was two weeks of anguish Some not willing to take the chance after a rough time at sea

2:39:51 Katie Beck, NBC News. Yeah I have a theory about this and i think we're going to see this type of issue with consumers and services increasingly so in the M5M you know sometimes you hear about a cruise ship gone awry or something be a problem but... Flip over! Well there was that but I think since the internet became available on these cruise ships because God I mean we were on a cruise ship how can we not be connected I think that's when it really started because you know, okay so this construction. You take a picture you tweet it people go or put it on facebag It's outrageous! It's crazy! You're ruining the vacation! And then your head goes

2:40:36 And then you get all pissed off about it, and you let it ruin your entire vacation. Well I will say they took a- there was a lot of movies There was a lot of evidence that this was a disaster and that one guy says here's 11 o'clock at night and here they are banging away Mm-hmm. Uh...I don't think this was an exaggeration at all Oh okay But still I think... But, I know what you're saying and I agree with you that this probably because when Noro breaks out on one of these things there was puking all over the place. Yeah That gets out really fast yeah well I guess the point is we probably wouldn't have heard a news story about it But because and I could even hear there must have been some social net videos in there It sounded like Skype videos and other things. There was a lot of soc net video And they but the one the funniest one, of course was this angry mob surrounding this fat captain Demanding their money back demanding their money back it's like he had to hustle out of the area back to his bridge That's pretty funny. Ah, that's great That's very good

2:41:37 But it could have been like orchestrated by, you know I mean this coverage could have been orchestrated. Have an update on the war against opioids the war on opioids The War On Puppies as you know we have a new Surgeon General It's the hip cool guy Surgeon General Jerome Adams He is the Admiral who was also Trumps personal doctor and was also White House doctor As he was for Obama And maybe little bit of Bush Just a little bit And so he's now the Surgeon General and he did an interview on NPR about opioids, what they're going to do. I think the way it's working is we're gonna give a whole bunch of Narcan to the states and if you've been listening to this show long enough then you probably made some money on Adapt Pharmacy pharmaceuticals because we identified them as the makers very early on and then the president came out couple weeks ago

2:42:38 And he brought the CEO of the company up. I mean, that'll work with the stock? Yeah it will boost it. Right but each state will also get 2 billion dollars to spend on programs so in very imperfect American health care tradition We hand out band-aids as the first thing when it comes to this This epidemic which is people overdosing on prescription opioids as well as off market stuff. Shall we say what about paying for it? I mean, this is a medication that that costs around $40 a dose. I think the company has doubled the price in recent years one of the primary manufacturers some devices

2:43:21 that you use to administer naloxone cost as much as $600. And I mean, there is no limit on potentially on what individual pharmaceutical companies can charge right? I've spoken to the president about this personally and both he and I are determined that the cost of Naloxone will not be a barrier to folks being able to have access to it Isn't it great we have Mike Tyson as our Surgeon General? How do you ensure? Not quite squeaky enough. It's close though, it was Mike three fights ago. Well there are many different ways number one the president has asked for and Congress has approved six billion dollars in funding to respond to the opioid epidemic more than has ever been approved in history there's 50 million dollars in funding that has been allocated specifically for naloxone Number two we're working with insurers 95% of people who have insurance coverage

2:44:16 including Medicare, Medicaid and TRICARE in the VA are actually able to get naloxone at little or no copay. And we're working with them to make that copay as small as possible. Then finally work with Adapt Pharmaceuticals and Kaleo the two makers of at-home Naloxone to make it easier for individuals to access naloxone at low or no cost. What's their incentive to keeping the price low? Will they just do it because you tell them what's the right thing to do Well, I hope that's part of it. I know that these companies have met with the presidents and they want to do the right thing but also strictly from an economic point of view unfortunately there are so many people out there that need naloxone that they're going to make their money one way or another. And i think they want to do the right thing they just wanna do in a way that helps them sustain their bottom line and they can do that we can cut the price significantly and still make money for them and save lives and that's what were trying to do

2:45:13 I'm a ladies man. That's what he sounds like you know that guy didn't have such a pronounced lisp no when he gave his presentation about the president's health what happened? I don't know did he lose a tooth? I don't know, i really don't know uh let me see i had to second part to this Yeah, this is just continuing the update. You described this measure making naloxone more readily available as a as a tourniquet as a life-saving measure. You acknowledge that The key though is figuring out what to do with that person after this emergency crisis Yes you can administer this and they can live another day But how do you make sure that person doesn't overdose 24 hours later?

2:46:01 Well, folks want to say unfortunately in far too many cases that the individual has failed. But when a person is coming in for multiple overdoses I see that as a system failure we know addiction is a chronic disease much like diabetes or hypertension and we need to treat it the same way so I'm focused at Surgeon General on making sure everyone sees addiction not of the moral failing but as a chronic disease and that we have good evidence-based treatment including medication assisted treatment available for individuals with a warm handoff right from the overdose. We can't have someone overdosed and then send them out onto the streets at 2am because they're going to run right back into the hands of the local drug dealer. What explained that moment, the warm handoff moment?

2:46:44 That warm handoff means you come in at 3 a.m. in the morning, having been resuscitated from an overdose and we have either an immediate access to treatment available for you or what's working well in many places including Rhode Island where I just visited is a peer recovery coach someone who has been through this before and who can speak to you in a language that will resonate and will basically be with you until you can get into recovery Yeah, warm handoff. That'll do it! Tourniquet and then a warm handoff that's what everybody needs And a Kleenex Again no strategy No strategy Just no strategy and if I were Narcan or Adapt Pharma... It's generic you know? I think the patent is off Well then anyone can make it Theoretically Yes well so why wouldn't you just spread some fentanyl around and make some generic

2:47:41 Naloxone yeah, well it sounds like a plan. I think it's another no agenda business idea Yeah, okay All right one more to play us out. I got the 23 and me Redux from CBS which is kind of interesting oh? Is this new news about them anyway It's just more kvetching. Well, the popularity of at-home to screen for diseases is growing We're looking at the benefits and drawbacks this morning in our series Grand Rounds That's the practice of medical professionals teaching other doctors about advancements

2:48:17 This month the FDA approved the first direct-to-consumer test in the U.S., that's designed to find three gene mutations linked to breast cancer without a doctor's prescription. This is just the latest in a growing number of cheaper and easier genetic tests that can reveal information about your ancestors, risks for certain diseases or even why you're sensitive to bitter taste. Some tests can be done for less than $100. Our David Agus is here with more and let's Let's talk about 23andMe. I've actually done it and I want to ask you about that later, yeah? Me too! What can it predict exactly and what are some of the concerns that doctors have about it? Well, it can tell you your ancestry, they could tell you how you metabolize caffeine but its not going to tell you some really serious health traits that you probably care about

2:49:04 So they just got FDA approval for three of over a thousand mutations that can cause breast and ovarian cancer. That's only three of them, so what worries me is if you take it and go I'm not at high risk but you may have one or the other 900 plus There are other at-home tests that require a doctor to sign off on it, but you could do it at home. You spit into a tube and send it in. That can look for all of the mutations in the BRCA1 and BRCA2 gene which is risked for breast and ovarian cancer. Remember when Angelina Jolie heroically announced I have this gene five years ago? It was $4000 dollars for the test! Now its been democratized for less than 100. Yeah that's incredible should everyone including men consider getting tested for the Brock

2:49:45 Men are just as likely as women to be carriers of the BRCA gene. And so I'm a believer, yes knowledge is power if you have it and want to intervene 70 plus percent chance of breast cancer 40 plus percent chance of ovarian cancer both which can dramatically change your life and your family's life So yes! I believe that you should David you just said you spit into a tube but let me tell you when i did 23andme its a whole lot of spitting I've seen you do it. No, i can do it! It was not a problem Thanks for the overt sexual overtones Okay, i get it Greg Kliff Good one Not even borderline but You got the chuckle you deserve Best i could do Alright everybody we will return on Thursday with another episode of The NO Agenda Show It is your best podcast in the universe Fact

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2:56:24 Classified! At the end of the day, my god. At the end of the day, they're classified. The length and setting up a private server in your... Here at the end of the day, to be honest with you, my god. She should have been the Aussie one. Have you ever? At the end of the day, classified. They're classified. I've never been secretary of state. Now they're classified. Classified.

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