Episode 1021 · Sunday, 1 April 2018

Sun Burps

High rental prices drive a mass departure from California as Facebook experiments with psychological manipulation and Sinclair Broadcasting enforces a controversial nationwide media script.

By The No Agenda Show | 2h 57m listen | 29 chapters
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The No Agenda Show · No. 1021

About this episode

U-Haul rental data reveals a massive exodus from California to Texas and Nevada as residents flee high housing costs and aggressive tax investigators. The California Franchise Tax Board has reportedly intensified efforts to track former residents across state lines to collect back taxes. Meanwhile, San Diego has deployed industrial-sized tents to house hundreds of homeless individuals and dozens of dogs, raising significant concerns regarding public sanitation and the logistics of shared living spaces.

Facebook faces renewed scrutiny over a 2014 emotional contagion study that manipulated user news feeds to influence psychological states without explicit consent. This data-sharing culture extends to credit bureaus like Experian, as the FICO scoring system, founded by Bill Fair and Earl Isaac, begins integrating social media behavior into financial risk assessments. In response to pervasive tracking by Google and Apple, Adam Curry details a digital exit strategy involving Motorola T900 pagers and Iridium satellite systems to bypass cellular triangulation.

Media consolidation takes center stage as a viral compilation shows Sinclair Broadcasting anchors reading identical scripts about the dangers of fake news. The cultural divide widens as ABC's Roseanne reboot finds massive success with a Heartland strategy, while Fox News host Laura Ingraham faces an advertiser boycott led by David Hogg and Media Matters. The episode also tracks the re-entry of the Chinese space station Tiangong-1 and the appointment of Susan Rice to the Netflix board of directors.


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CHAPTER 01 / 29 Discussion

Easter Traditions, Blood Eggs, and Unitarian Upbringing

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the Easter Sunday episode by discussing the religious origins of the holiday, including the symbolism of painted eggs representing the blood of Christ. One host recounts a childhood anecdote about being raised in the Unitarian Church in the Netherlands and attending a sunrise service where Cat Stevens' "Morning Has Broken" was played. The discussion includes a description of decorative hollow sugar eggs featuring elaborate internal scenes.

easter· unitarian church· cat stevens· the netherlands· blood of christ· sugar eggs

00:00 must be stopped. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. Sunday, April 1st, 2018. This is your award winning GiveOnation Media Assassination Episode 1021. This is no agenda. Celebrating bloody eggs and a folly of fools and broadcasting live from the capital of the George Stark State here in downtown Austin, Tejas in the Cudeo in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm here to wish you all a Happy Easter! I'm John C. DeVore. Yes, and thank you for that fine explanation of parts of Easter. Yes, I gave that in the newsletter, of course. Yes, yes. I didn't realize that the egg thing came from the rebirth of life, yes, but the painting of the egg was to signify blood on the egg? A blood of Christ. A blood of Christ, yes. Not just any blood, the blood of Christ.

00:54 But you couldn't expand on the hunt or the roll? I don't know the origin of the Easter roll and the egg hunt is just some methodology to harass children, I think. Oh, isn't it like you're looking for the body of Christ who's behind the stones? That's a funny interpretation. It could be. Isn't that where he was stored? Behind the stones? He was stored, yes, kind of in a cave. Right, with a bunch of big rocks in front of it. That's what I remember. Yeah, right. Big rocks. Big rocks, alright. Well, happy Easter, John. They must have suspected something or they wouldn't have put the rocks there. Hey, that guy's no good. He's gonna try and get out, put some rocks in. Yes, well, happy Easter. You know, mom, I was talking with my sisters about this, and I don't know if anyone still does this. On Easter, and we certainly were not church-going people, except for this stupid Unitarian stuff,

01:57 Unitarian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's a Unitarian? My parents. Really? Yeah, but for a while. You know, I thought Unitarians would be quite quite interesting for one thing. They don't believe in the Trinity. That's why they're called Unitarians. Mm-hmm The father the son the Holy Ghost Trinity yes that Trinity and And they're also the most they're always the radical at most activist of the of the Christians style churches and Yeah, well I'll tell you the story one more time of why I what turned me off so much about the Unitarian Church is when we moved to the Netherlands. Those are 10 Unitarian donors, but go on. I'm just telling you what turned me off. When we moved to the Netherlands my parents then sought out fellow expats

02:47 And they formed their own little Unitarian Church and we met Sundays at people's homes. So we'd be dragged along and we gotta go find the DeMunk Kaisers. Okay, fine. All right. And their kids are kind of weird. Yeah, but you'll have a good time. No, okay. Then one time we had to get up at the crack of dawn when actually at 3 a.m. To go drive a few hours to go up on a hill because there's no mountains in the Netherlands And we all sat there and watched the sunrise and on a little portable cassette player They played Cat Stevens morning has broken and that's her Muslim and that He was still Cat Stevens that before maybe a Muslim. I don't know. Maybe it was a secret Muslim indoctrination I don't know

03:28 But anyway, I forgot what I was gonna say. Oh, yes, what my mom would do for Easter. There we go She would make sugar eggs. Maybe we've seen these and she had molds and they'd be Probably as big as a like a Nerf football and it'll be hollow inside. She decorated it. Yeah, she decorated with you know cake frosting and there'd be a an opening in the egg and there'd be a little thing inside there sometimes a little scene of stuff and Well little Jesus that's pretty elaborate. Yeah, yeah must have been bored stiff. I want Yeah, I guess They were not for eating they were for staying away from the course of decorations. Yeah, it falls It'll break and be bad. Okay, one drop of water collapse the thing. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know Is that is that a practice that is still done?

04:18 Never heard of it. I've even heard of it. Okay. No, well, maybe someone will I'm sure one of our producers will say oh, yes I recall this. Oh, we have a lot of Dutch. So it's not Dutch John my mom's America. Maybe it's Talking about no, he sounded Dutch and aren't the Dutch all Lutherans Protestant Lutheran, I don't know Protestants agenda as a general term. I don't know. I don't know if they're all Lutheran. I really don't I have no idea. I Okay. All right, that's a religious moment for the No Agenda Show. We do this every year on Easter. That's right, Easter is solved once again. Well done, John. Thanks for everything. Excellent work. The rest of the newsletter was funny. Yeah, it's some good stuff in there. Yeah, people should subscribe to that. Any No Agenda page, whether it's noagendashow.com or nashownotes.com or any of the individual archive pages, there's always a link to sign up to the newsletter. It is very entertaining and it reminds you

05:22 to listen to the show. Yes, it also reminds you of how crazy things are. I do on the newsletter I tend to accumulate the weekly weird pics and memes found on the internet and I put them in the newsletter. Including the guy who says deport Californians from Austin. I had nothing to do with it. I had nothing to do with that but yeah. Yeah sure. It was sent in by a No Agenda guy and I think in Austin and I think it was staged. Possibly.

05:59 That was good though. I like that one. Well, since we're talking about that, this is actually a holdover from Thursday's show. We have talked about it, but the actual clip was eluding me until I got the California exodus and we can see that the exodus is real and large by the number of one-way rentals for U-Haul. Oh yes, that would be one way of telling. Actually, one-way rentals from U-Haul Not just to Austin, but to anywhere is way up in California. There's a number of places in this clip. If you think living in the Bay Area is expensive, try leaving it. Everywhere you look there are signs people are fleeing the region's sky-high housing prices. For instance, U-Haul. U-Haul trucks are leaving in droves, taking one-way trips out and not coming back. A quick glance at pricing shows where the outflow is going.

CHAPTER 02 / 29 Discussion

California Exodus, U-Haul Pricing, and Tax Investigators

Data from U-Haul one-way rentals indicates a massive exodus from California to states like Nevada and Texas due to high housing costs. Rental prices for trucks leaving San Jose for Las Vegas or Austin are significantly higher than those traveling the opposite direction, reflecting high demand for outbound moves. The hosts also discuss aggressive tactics used by the California Franchise Tax Board to track down former residents for tax collection.

u-haul· california· san jose· nevada· franchise tax board· migration

05:22 to listen to the show. Yes, it also reminds you of how crazy things are. I do on the newsletter I tend to accumulate the weekly weird pics and memes found on the internet and I put them in the newsletter. Including the guy who says deport Californians from Austin. I had nothing to do with it. I had nothing to do with that but yeah. Yeah sure. It was sent in by a No Agenda guy and I think in Austin and I think it was staged. Possibly.

05:59 That was good though. I like that one. Well, since we're talking about that, this is actually a holdover from Thursday's show. We have talked about it, but the actual clip was eluding me until I got the California exodus and we can see that the exodus is real and large by the number of one-way rentals for U-Haul. Oh yes, that would be one way of telling. Actually, one-way rentals from U-Haul Not just to Austin, but to anywhere is way up in California. There's a number of places in this clip. If you think living in the Bay Area is expensive, try leaving it. Everywhere you look there are signs people are fleeing the region's sky-high housing prices. For instance, U-Haul. U-Haul trucks are leaving in droves, taking one-way trips out and not coming back. A quick glance at pricing shows where the outflow is going.

06:54 We check reservations for next weekend beginning and ending in San Jose for U-Haul's biggest truck, a 26 footer, and found a huge difference in price. A truck from Sacramento to San Jose is $110, but go the other way from San Jose to Sacramento and the price jumps to $370. That's 340% of the cost going the other way. How about Austin to San Jose? $1,053 going the other way is $4,320 or 400% of the cost. Phoenix, $132 versus $1301, 980%. And finally, a truck from Las Vegas to San Jose costs only $132, but

07:34 go the other way and it's nearly $2,000. That's a 1,500% difference. Customers we talked to in San Jose were not surprised. People leaving in droves. Yeah. You blame them? I've had some family leave, not really. It's getting expensive out here. By the way, North American Van Line says for the first time, California is among the top five states that people are leaving, with 60% of the moves involving the state going out versus 40% of people moving in. Yeah Build a wall build a wall. So well, it looks like Vegas is where everyone's going. Yeah, Nevada. That's right That's cheap. There's a couple reasons. It's cheap. No tax. No income tax. There's no income tax Sales taxes low lots and lots of hookers

08:23 Lots of hookers and places crawling. Yeah and opportunity Well, the opportunities is dubious. I mean, I don't know what you can do in a in a world Reno's become a hooker. Hello Yeah, you become a hooker. That's about it Yeah, I mean since I my wife's from Reno. I I didn't know that. It's interesting. Yeah, and you know we know Nevada pretty well. I know Las Vegas a lot better than she does because I used to have to go there constantly. You know it's kind of grim I think over I mean I would move to places like there's little places on the border like Zephyr Cove which is

09:10 is pretty much filled with rich Silicon Valley expats who are making millions of dollars a year and they're not gonna pay the taxes, the state income taxes. And they keep an eye on you and in fact the state does keep an eye on you. They spy on anybody who's, it's almost like a cult if you're a Californian. I was working with some guy who was a fixer Fixer I'm kept his name wait a minute fixer of what like fixer fish body in the back of the trunk or something like that I don't know how far he goes, but he's one of those guys and he was working with a guy who had a windfall and

09:57 of, I don't know, 20 or 30 million dollars and he was living in Las Vegas and they were trying to, because he, I think he just showed up in California for a few weeks and the state was trying to nick him. And there was really quite an ordeal. So they, and I know other people, you'll get a call from these guys, hey do you know so and so? I'm an investigator with this franchise tax board And it goes on about some there. I started asking a question to you. How often have you seen him? Have you seen him? You've seen this guy What do you think a month every month is really in town. It was a Gestapo tactics. What's that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had that from both I've also had that from the federal government

10:46 The federal government called me once about a guy who was a Brit. And they're trying to stick him with income tax. And they were grilling me about, you know, how often, you know when he's in this country? Do you have any idea when's the last time you saw him? They go on and on. I don't know how many people are on these lists, but they call you up and start grilling you about, you know, whatever you know. I mean, I don't... You don't have to answer those questions though, do you? You say, buzz off, yo. I don't know. It's hard to say. But so you're a narc. You're a narc. And you're like, sure, I know all about him. You're a narc.

CHAPTER 03 / 29 Discussion

San Diego Homeless Tents, 70 Dogs, and Public Sanitation

San Diego has implemented large industrial-sized tents to house the homeless, with each structure accommodating 324 people and approximately 70 dogs. The hosts express skepticism regarding the sanitation and logistics of housing hundreds of people and dozens of animals in a single confined space. The conversation transitions into a critique of public restroom facilities and the emergence of tent cities in Austin, Texas.

san diego· homelessness· industrial tents· sanitation· public health

11:24 It's like you don't, I don't know if you have a choice, but whatever you do, I don't know much as you know, I rarely leave the house. So I don't know if this guy's in the state all the time. I don't know. I've been here, I've been here collecting stuff. I don't know. Is it a Monday? By the way, San Diego has finally taken some of our advice, although we didn't get us in on the deal. Damn it. They have put up these huge tents for the homeless. 324 people in each tent what yeah, and you should look at an army barracks from World War one It's a it's quoted as an industrial sized tent. This has been put up by some of the wealthy citizens of San Diego who say well while you're figuring out the problem We're gonna do something about it

12:18 And so they've set up, this is the first of a couple of tents. I think they put up a million and a half dollars. Here's the thing though. Besides there being 324 people in each tent, which looks really nice on the outside, the inside is organized, you know, it's a... It has bunk beds. But you have 324 people and also 70, seven zero dogs. That doesn't seem like a great situation. 70 dogs, well, not unless they're in the same dog pack. But it seems unlikely. Well sure it's unlikely. I don't know the DeSempney dogs. Well it must be huge. Yeah it has doors, you know, proper doors that swing open. It's kind of like one of those, it looks like a flattened version of one of those indoor tennis court tent structures. Very similar to that. Yeah.

13:14 So I guess that's that's one way to solve the problem. Just put them all in a nice look something looks nice on the outside Yeah fixed My work is done here. No more problems with the home where they pooping. I don't know where that I don't know if they have a poop facilities Let me see. I have to have some yeah, I must have so many 300 people and 70 dogs you need Big lawn for the dogs and you need probably probably need quite a few of Porta Potties apart did have the align. Yes, they would they should probably set a porta potty chef some singular facility one of those like a trough

13:51 Like they used to have in the drive-in theaters. In the old bars, there were tons of bars still have a trough. In Texas they do for sure. Do they? I haven't seen a trough in years. I don't like the trough. Nobody likes the trough. It's not really a fun thing. A bunch of dudes peeing in a trough. Weird. It's not fun. All drive-in theaters in California had a trough. Drive-in theater. Hmm. How about for the ladies though? Did they have to hover the trough? I don't know. I never went to the ladies bathroom. I have no idea. Hover the trough ladies. And it was always made out of tin or some sort of steel. Yeah, yeah, no, the bent material. Bent and soldered.

14:35 Yeah, or well, yeah. We're seeing it now in Austin. We got tents everywhere now. Tent cities starting to crop up. It's happening here. Thank you, California, for bringing that to us. Somebody who makes two dozen tons of invest in some tent companies. Hello? We came up with this idea months ago. This has been getting worse since the Day of Hands across America. That's triggered it. That was the actual signal to go. All right, everybody, let's get homeless. Yeah, it's crazy. Mark Hall, our producer here. Somebody should redo that song, Let's Get Social to Let's Get Homeless. Let's get homeless in California. Perfect. I hear Chris Wilson awakening in Australia as we speak. And now we have to play Let's Get Social at the end of the show. Darn it. Well, speaking of Let's Get Social. Let me start off with something that gets you going. All right.

CHAPTER 04 / 29 Discussion

Stephen Colbert, Donald Trump Infrastructure Speech, and Ford Truck Month

A clip from Stephen Colbert's late-night show mocks President Donald Trump's speech in Ohio regarding infrastructure. The hosts analyze Trump's pronunciation of "infrastructure" and "Ohio," debating whether the President appeared unusually loose or "slap happy" during the presentation. They jokingly contrast "Infrastructure Week" with the marketing cycle of "Ford Truck Month."

stephen colbert· donald trump· ohio· infrastructure· late night tv

15:35 Did you have the old drunk or not drunk jingle? Yeah, I can find that I'm sure Is you want me to play this before so much to play that yeah, okay here we go Now play my clip Colbert drunk or not yes, okay? Ladies and gentlemen I'm your host Stephen Colbert today Today, in case you haven't seen it, the president was in Ohio. He was in Ohio talking about infrastructure. Check your calendars. It is always infrastructure week.

16:23 Talking about construction brought back some happy Trump memories. He does sound a little loose looser than usual But but the thing I think they're real trigger to me first of all he comes running out in a very awkward way almost kills himself yeah, and then is just slap happy. And then he, it's the way he said, first he says infrastructure and then he says it again, mispronouncing it, infrastructure and then it's, and so he said the second time, so he's trying to correct himself. When he comes back again later, I didn't clip this, but he's trying to say infrastructure under his breath. But it's the way he says Ohio. He also does it twice. He says Ohio and then he says,

17:13 And Ohio is very subtle, you really have to listen hard to hear him go, Ohio. It's just this very strange, like I can barely see it. Let's listen to that bit again. He was in Ohio talking about infrastructure. Check your calendars, it is always infrastructure week. Talking about construction brought back some happy Trump memories. And construction, yeah, he's so disconstructional. By the way, he's wrong. He pulls himself together, by the way. Yeah, but he's wrong because it's Ford Truck Month. There's no time for Infrastructure Week during Ford Truck Month, so he's just wrong on the face of it. Ah, that's the writer's fault. It's always a truck month and it happens to be Ford's turn. I know, because I'm in Texas. So everybody... Yeah, that's what we do here. We track that stuff.

CHAPTER 05 / 29 Discussion

FICO Credit Scores, Facebook Data Sharing, and Experian

The discussion focuses on the history and influence of the FICO credit scoring system, founded by Bill Fair and Earl Isaac in 1956. Concerns are raised regarding Facebook's decision to share user data with credit bureaus like Experian, potentially allowing social media behavior to influence financial creditworthiness. The hosts compare the sudden ubiquity of credit scores to the rapid industry shift from vinyl records to CDs in the 1980s.

fico· facebook· experian· credit scoring· data privacy· fair isaac corporation

18:02 But, we were talking about, let's get social. And I realized kind of over the weekend, you know, I have, even though I went all in on all of the talking tubes, the listening devices, getting everything going, I don't care, let's see how we do. I'm getting a little irked about a number of things and there's just like Tesla where there's there's conflagration between autonomous driving and battery cars when it comes to the sochnets we have issues with pure tracking and privacy and what is being done with your information and it was real I think it was when we when face bag announced that they were no longer going to sell their data to Equifax

18:49 I think that's where I went, oh, hmm. Okay, now it makes, we're in an episode of Black Mirror, basically, where your information is passed through, they have all your purchase history, now they can connect everything and they give you a FICO score based upon that. Or it could influence your FICO score and we know that a high FICO score with no trusted traveler number, such as Tina the Keeper, gets both of us pre-checked. Is it FICO or FICA? That's FICO isn't FICO score. I could be wrong. I thought it was FICO score does FICA No, FICA is what you that's like that crazy tax you pay could be mmm Consulting the reco no it's FICO. It's fine. It should be Rico because those guys who should be in jail But originally fair Isaac and company was the data analytics company based in San Jose and

19:44 Is that right? That's what I'm reading in the book of knowledge, yeah. Well that's interesting. Yeah, let's see. The Fair Isaac Corporation, data analytics company in San Francisco, San Jose, California, focused on credit scoring services were founded by Bill Fair and Earl Isaac in 1956. Its FICO score, a measure of consumer credit risk, has become a fixture of consumer lending in the United States. When did it become a fixture? Or as Colbert would say, fixture. Where would it become a fixture? You know, that's kind of a book that someone, like the guy who wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island, he should write a book about when that became a credit scoring system. Because it snuck up on me. It's almost like I remember the days of the transition from the record store to the CD store. Tower Records in Berkeley was one of the big part of the giant chain that dissolved

20:44 It was a big record store, huge record store. And CDs had come out and they were doing quite well and everybody was very slowly switching to them for a number of good reasons. And I went into Tower Records one day and the whole store had changed completely from all records to all CDs, completely switched 100%. It was like, what happened? And that was one of the biggest problems with the switchover was that all retail outlets had to change their bins. That was one of the biggest issues. They thought they had problems. We go, this is horrible, this new format, this digital stuff. We have to have new bins. Remember that? They were like, you know, dude, you got other problems besides the bins. I don't remember them bitching about it, but I do remember them changing. The bins are the least of your problems, my friend. That's not... Okay, here's the... According to FICO.com, they have a nice little

21:39 Pictorial of their history, 1956 engineer Bill Fair and mathematician Earl Isaac found FICO with an initial investment of $400 each on the principle that data used intelligently can improve business decisions. And then they have 1958, FICO builds its first credit scoring system for American investments. And they show the original conference room, which was a couch. 1961, FICO moves headquarters from San Francisco's financial district to San Rafael. In 1972, ASAP, the first automated application processing system, debuted at Wells Fargo. So I think that's where it started. And then... What year was that? That was 72. Then on December 29th, 1976, the 500th document was entered through a CRT terminal.

22:30 This milestone was reached by the combined efforts of the data reduction and data acquisition department. The Fair Isaac employees decided to sign the milestone achievement. I have no idea what that's about. Then 81, okay, 81, they introduced the first FICO credit bureau risk score. Then 82, this is interesting, they opened their first European office in Monaco. And then they went public in 87. Well, it was in the 80s at some point where this became the big deal. You couldn't... because I remember, I'm old enough to remember getting loans and buying things and doing all these things without dealing with FICO. I'm sorry, and I have to correct something. It's not Equifax that received the data from Facebag, but Experian. Okay. Which is the actual Experian-FICO company.

23:28 That's yeah, that's what you need. That's what you need to be on a social network and there's just been to a credit operation So you can be you can be judged. Yeah, you can be judged by the number of drunken pictures of yourself that you post Well showing how cool you are. So that's part of it. That's part of it. I But then, you know, so and I think for me when I opened up my my history and I looked in all of that and I scolded myself for some of the unsafe behavior I'd partaken or taken part in such as clicking on things that were sponsored. This is dumb. But it reminded me

CHAPTER 06 / 29 Discussion

Facebook Emotional Contagion Study, Psychological Manipulation, and EULAs

A 2014 study published in the PNAS regarding "emotional contagion" on Facebook is revisited, detailing how the platform manipulated news feeds to influence user moods. The experiment found that users exposed to more positive posts tended to post positive content, while negative feeds induced negative posts, though extreme positivity could backfire. The hosts note that Facebook's End User License Agreement (EULA) grants the company legal permission to conduct such psychological research without explicit real-time consent.

facebook· emotional contagion· pnas· psychological study· news feed· algorithms

24:08 We talked about involuntary social network disorder, about the problems that these networks are creating. I think actually at some point said, you know, crap, maybe there's no alternative to the face bag because people don't actually want it. It's a me-too thing, it's a social pressure, you don't exist if you don't have a bag account. If you're a kid, you don't exist if you don't have an Insta. But in 20... I want to say this was 2016? No, 2014. And we discussed this on the show. There was a little bit of, like a minor brouhaha about Facebook allowing a psychological study on about half a million users to see if how their feed was manipulated would actually influence their emotional expression.

24:58 Yes, we took we did discuss this this was fascinating. It's good that you brought it back Yeah, and I and I read through it again, and it's in the PNAS so it's accepted as a something that is That is good. I don't know if it's ever been reproduced. I don't know good is the right word valid. Thank you That's the word I'm looking for valid And what it was about was contagion emotional contagion and that and so I don't have to read this thing too It's only a couple of pages but the emotional contagion And let me explain that because I did some work over the weekend. There was a story I recall also a few years back where they thought that the whole airplane had been poisoned and one lady starts puking and other passengers start puking and although no one was really poisoned, but the contagion is so real that people take that on. It used to be called mass hysteria. Yeah, it's a form of extreme empathy, I think.

25:52 And it's and so that is something that's there are several not that example but there are other examples of contagion referenced in the study and You know, they did a very simple experiment and they used you know, one of those Something that professor here in UT who did the performatives, you know as a word counter and you can say okay this this paragraph is you know 70% negative or 70% positive and And so they ran a lot of this stuff for, they only did it for a week, and they ran the stuff through their generator. And then the way they experimented is they gave people in this study group 70%

26:36 positive versus 30% negative and of course they also switched it around and they saw an exact correlation in the opposite direction. So if they had, or in the same direction, I'm sorry, so if they had more positive emotional posts, and this is not interaction, this is not commenting, this is just in your newsfeed, then people would start to post more positive things themselves. And conversely, if they saw negative stuff, then they would also start to post negative emotional entries. With a couple of notable exceptions, although I don't think they did enough, they didn't have enough of a sample of this, but if they had just an extreme amount of positive, the person who receives that in their news feed would start to feel less positive about themselves and would start to post more negativity.

27:32 So it's kind of what you'd expect. The big eye-opener for me is that when it's kind of balanced, if it's, you know, like 50% positive, 50% negative, people stop posting. And so I'm pretty sure that if there's any manipulation, and there is of course, of the facebag feed, it's to make sure that it's never too neutral. It has to have positive or negative, otherwise people stop interacting. And I thought that was an interesting... That's interesting indeed. And then another thing, and I don't think I have the marked up copy, but they talk about the half a million people who were chosen for this study.

28:17 They showed a number of ways, a number of criteria they had to adhere to, and they were not told about it. And they cite specifically in the study that upon signing up to Facebook, you give express consent to this type of activity. Therefore, it was not illegal, no one's rights were, you know, there was no issue with what they did. And this is of course I think when you get a subscription to Office 365 you have this said they have the same thing they can do to you I bet whatever you do because of these eulers yes Yes, and and this is what people are now somehow just discovering. Oh wait a minute. We can do all this stuff so you know I've been thinking about some changes. I want to make then the first one is

CHAPTER 07 / 29 Discussion

Adam Curry's Off-The-Grid Strategy, Motorola T900 Pager, and iPod Touch

Adam Curry details his plan to reduce his digital footprint by abandoning his smartphone in favor of a Motorola T900 two-way pager and an old iPod Touch. He argues that using a pager avoids cellular tower triangulation and app-based tracking while still allowing for essential SMS communication. The hosts debate the practicality of this "retro" approach, specifically regarding modern necessities like Uber and Wi-Fi connectivity.

motorola t900· pager· ipod touch· privacy· tracking· off the grid

29:10 Is I'm really the thing that freaked me out is that the face bag knew where I was I you know I have a location services turned off it knew where I was I knew I was in a whole different spot how I knew I don't care but I don't want to contribute to that and so I'm really going to trim down when I leave the house I really don't want to have any tracking devices and I've had it I think I have on stop stop You said, this is, I'm hearing this is deja vu. Either that or I dreamt it. But you had a similar theory and you weren't gonna bring your phone with you and it's too bad if you can't get a hold of me. You told me this like two years ago. No longer. Oh no, much longer than that. About two years ago is when I, no, about two years ago when I figured out you can't date without a smartphone is when I went back. You remember? It was important. You can't get an Uber, you can't reserve a restaurant, you can't get on Tinder. Hello, don't you remember this?

30:04 Oh yeah, you can't get on Tinder, that was your big thing. And at the same time I'd lost my phone. What was it? Grindr? I can't remember. At the same time I'd lost my phone at the Yellow Rose, my Nokia, my coveted Nokia. Oh, the coveted Nokia. So that's when I went back and then I decided to go all in for the show, of course. And now I'm starting to turn that back. I already don't interact on social networks. I'm protected against that because of just learning and doing the show. We know what to do and what not to do. But here's what I've done, because obviously I need to be able to get some kind of at least an email or a text message or something if someone needs to get a hold of me and other things can be scripted. I just need some kind of device that I can receive something. In the past I've tried, actually you've used APRS. I have an idea. Okay. Pager. Get yourself an old pager. Well, you just... I think those systems are still in place. Hello, hello. I just ordered a pager.

31:02 And what I ordered was the T900 from Motorola. Or a beeper, you used to call them a beeper. Now, I ordered, now listen, I ordered the two-way pager from Motorola, which I had back in the day, which has... You did? You had one? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Were you a doctor? Were you a dentist? Were you on call? What was the deal? I was running a technology department for 700 people. So yeah, I had a pager and this is really before we had the flip phones, the flip phones. Flip phones, Star Tech. So what I don't want is a phone. I'm not going to take anything that is a phone. I don't want to connect to the mobile network. Now this is a different network that they use and I'm sure you can

31:43 At some point triangulate, but you can also just keep this thing off and then turn it on you get your messages and turn it off again It's gonna be a hell of a lot harder to track and really It's all the it's the phone with all the apps That's the problem and I'd end the phone being tracked by the cell tower So I ordered one of those and then I found my old iPod touch which still runs iOS 9.3.5 I completely wiped it and set it up, no connections to iCloud, no stupid apps, all it has is it can connect to Wi-Fi. Are you running from the law? Is there something you're not telling me? You know, there's a couple of things that have happened in my life recently and if some officials had been able to know where I was at that specific moment, it might not have been exactly that way.

32:36 Okay, you are running from the law. It's good. Good to know. I'm not really running from it. I'm just trying to avoid any issues. I mean, everybody has something to hide somewhere for some reason. Just quit Facebook and you'll be fine. No, but I'm not taking any of that on the road. I can't quit Facebook because of the show. And it's bad, by the way. So there's one computer where the face bag is used and where tweeters are used and And you know, I think that using, if I need to get on and get email, I can boot up the iPod Touch, I can connect to a Wi-Fi, McDonald's or whatever, and I can get stuff. But yeah, the pager, the 2A Motorola T900 pager is where I'm gonna be. And you can SMS text from it. Yeah, people think I'm a crackpot.

33:23 You have a page wait a minute hold on is it gonna be hanging is it gonna have one of those little belt? Holster holster holster. Oh, yeah, this is gonna have a holster look at it This is the flip up one with a little keyboard remember that one. I don't want to even see it It's got a keyboard. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it has an alphanumeric keyboard And it's I think it displays four or five Stop let's get practical. I would you all right. I think we've heard enough of this, but let me just get practical Let me ask you a couple of questions mm-hmm How do I get a hold of you now? You can send me an email to adammccurry.com and all email from John C. Dvorak will ping my pager. Now if I wanted to normally like when the newsletter goes to you for approval. Yeah.

34:10 I send you a text message. You will also be able to text the pager. It has a number you can call and leave a voice message and you can send an SMS text to it. Yep. Okay, good. That's all I need to know. I don't care about the rest. Who gives a shit about everything else? That's all I care about. Because that's really it. I just want to be able to be in touch with people I love, including you, John. Okay, stop. Let me get another question. So you're out with your pager and your little holster and your little slide rule and whatever else you carry around your belt and You need to get an uber. Yes. What do you do? Then I you do I can go to a Starbucks and connect my phone my iPod touch I mean and In that case I could actually download the uber app if I wanted to but really if I'm out and about I don't need an uber so if you're

35:06 So you can you write going to you I'm going to use less you think that iPod touch actually works so Remember this I remember hold on I remember this era the iPod touch came on It was like kind of the alternative to the iPhone now. It was before the iPhone It was the original vision that Jobs had. Even when the iPhone came out, it was seen as a cheap alternative because you didn't have to... If you remember when the iPhone came out, you had to get an AT&T account that cost, I think, $40,000 a year. And it was like it had documents that were like the size of the Manhattan phone directory. You had to sign off to have the iPhone. That's all the trouble. And so people were using the

35:47 iPad touch or iPod touch as an alternative methodology because you can do a lot of the same thing. Yes. Yes, correct. Correct. So you're going to actually go back. You're reverting. Yes, I'm retro. I am. I am reverting. I have to. But Uber, I don't want I don't want Uber either. I mean, Uber will send you a receipt and it shows your exact trip. It sends you a little map. Their business is selling data. They sell their data. That's in the EULA. We know they do because Austin kicked them out because they said we're not going to give it to you for free and then they cut some backroom deal and now they're giving you traffic patterns, blah, blah, blah, anonymized, blah, blah, blah. Do you get solicited by the agency or anything and they're trying to... I wish. ...doing some work for them for McDo?

CHAPTER 08 / 29 Discussion

Privacy Paranoia, Iridium Satellite Systems, and Hipster Utility Belts

The hosts continue discussing the difficulty of maintaining privacy in an era where Google and Apple track nearly all movement. They explore alternative communication methods such as Iridium satellite phones and APRS radio systems, though they find them bulky or impractical for daily use. The segment concludes with a humorous suggestion for a "hipster utility belt" to hold pagers, vapes, and legacy iPod devices.

iridium· satellite phone· privacy· google· apple· pager networks

36:41 Anyway, they don't pay well, so forget that. And then as one additional in case of massive emergency, I have the Wi-Fi hotspot with a burner data card, a burner SIM card. But you know you are connecting to the cell network. We now know if that's one day this shows Just got me trying to hang on for dear life. I'll be about a 30-minute show max Well no you can make it no the reason why no you could do it out of the run do an hour if you play the recorder Yes, I'll start over the medley of my hits. Wait for the encore. Yeah, so I'm really not happy with... I mean, Professor Ted would be laughing his ass off, of course.

37:35 But it's when you really look at the depth and now of course Google is also saying, oh look you can see all the stuff that we have on you. I don't, I think people do exactly what your daughter Jay did. Like, hey yeah let me look at the photos. Let me see, oh I'm looking for a photo I deleted. Maybe it's still there. No actual concern about anything. About anything. But meanwhile, meanwhile, you know if you want more frequently I was reading If you today if you want to buy a house and you want to get a mortgage and there's your there's your FICO connection again well if you have any student loans no no no no your equity to debt ratio is just going to be you know off the off the scale so you already have it you already are paying a mortgage yeah yes a mortgage on I don't know nothing you got scam kid liberal arts degree

38:34 Well, I'm distressed by this. This is sounds like it takes it just I'm distressed It's taking the show into a dark area. It's Easter. It's not Easter. It's the resurrection. You should be resurrecting yourself No, man, you're burying yourself. You're putting yourself in the cave move those stones in front of the entrance. I want to know please so This is the start and Yeah, go ahead ebook a giblet How I got off the grid by Adam Curry nice how I how to get off the grid by Adam Curry getting off No, no, no, no, no, no, no OTG by Adam Curry Okay, OTG OTG OTG by Adam Curry. Yeah, the pager the pager do it the pager community is great There's still three networks. Hey, guess what?

39:31 I'm gonna get a C-band satellite dish. Ooh, nice. Yes. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah, so you can watch nothing. Everything's encrypted. No one's using them. You know, I looked for, while I was going through this, what I really wanted, I really wanted to use Iridium, the satellite system, because it's very hard for them to pinpoint you. And I almost went with the They have like an Explorer thing which is for backpackers and you can send and receive SMS messages or email and of course you can also send your location. The problem with that device is you don't retain your number. So your number refreshes. The only way someone can send something to you is if you've initiated contact first and then they have to click on a URL which shows your position

40:26 on a map and then you can reply like no I don't want that and then you look at the iridium phone which is just a big bulky piece of huge looks like an old Nokia. It probably fries your brain when you hit send. So that's too and then they have the iridium go which is a hotspot for the satellite which has nothing But shit is like iridium. No is pretty much the review like this is not gonna work. It's it's shit but still you could do text messages etc, but you still need a Wi-Fi device to talk to it and Happen to all CW go there

41:04 Well, I told you that there was a while back where I was forwarding things through APRS. Yeah. And it would show up on my handheld, my handy, my handheld 2 meter radio, 2 meter 70 centimeter radio. Right, that's what you'll walk around with a 2 meter radio on your belt. Yeah. Now besides that looking extremely lame. Yeah, but you gotta have the pager. It looks not only lame, but old-fashioned. No, the pager... So you're a doctor in the house? You have no idea. Kids are gonna latch onto this. They're all gonna want pagers again. Well, I'm not saying it's not within the realm of possibility what you just said. But if you look at these... Because of the hipsters. Yeah. And if you look at these pager networks that are still in operation, their websites are still from 1988. If they haven't changed, each page ends... Do they still using the blink? No, but each page does end in .htm, all caps. Nice.

42:04 I think what I really want they weren't offering it, but I want the you had a better Motorola which gave you like 10 lines of LCD display and had a little calendar Yeah, so when I was trying to compete with the Blackberry yeah, yeah, that's the one I really want, but they don't seem to be I Think you can pick it up, and then you can have I just want to get this one first. I mean it's only 30 bucks It's refurbished You know, so it has apparently no cosmetic issues on the outside. The inside's all refurbished because they don't make them anymore. It's probably just surplus. They call it refurbished. So if anything, we should get into the pager business.

42:43 I'm sure you have another no agenda money making idea. Yeah, baby. We're on our way. You guys do. Hey, we're the big shots in the pagers. That's right. Pager's called us guys. Pagers. Son, let me tell you, pagers, that's the future. That's right. Get into it. So yeah. OTG. Well, I'm going to I will document what I'm doing and then we can see if we can turn that into a giblet. How I went off the grid. Well, interesting. So I'm gonna and now well actually here's the business you kind of made a joke about it but in reality we do need a hipster utility belt that has a built-in holster for your pager a built-in special holster for your vape

43:32 You need that and you know maybe even a little a little smooth pouch for your iPod touch These are probably hard to get can you still buy those they still sell them iPod touch? Yeah, no You sure? No, I'm not sure but I'd be stunned to be honest about it. Well might as well go to Apple and see what they're doing hold on It would be under iPod. Oh, they don't even have an iPod section anymore. I think they maybe dropped the whole line. Did they? Let's see. As early as possible. Let's see. iPod Touch. Stupid. Buy. Ooh. Oh, you can get that with the fast A8 chip. Huh? You can get an iPod Touch? Baby. Nice. Do they still sell them? View the iPod Touch site. Okay, here we go. I think they still sell them.

44:32 Wow, we're breaking news. With the A8 chip. Well, of course now it may have a lot of the spy crap in there. Oh yeah, they probably have a GPS tracking and all the rest of it. This has the motion coprocessor. It's got a lot of stuff in there. So I'm kind of happy with this. I think this, and you can't even update the iOS. It's just like, oh, you're good. 9.3.5, stay there. I could jailbreak it maybe if I wanted to. But I feel pretty secure just using it purely as a Wi-Fi device for the browser and for email. Screw WhatsApp and all this other crap. My advice to you, don't buy any copies ever of Catcher in the Rye. I shouldn't have them laying around or I shouldn't read it? There'll be 10 guys out there that got that joke. Okay, they can email me.

CHAPTER 09 / 29 Discussion

Nassim Taleb, Minority Rule, and Census LGBTQ Controversy

Nassim Taleb's book "Skin in the Game" is discussed, specifically the concept of "minority rule" where a small, uncompromising group dictates societal norms, such as kosher or halal food standards. This concept is applied to the outrage from GLAAD regarding the lack of LGBTQ-specific questions on the U.S. Census. The hosts argue that these groups fear a loss of resources if their specific demographics are not officially quantified.

nassim taleb· skin in the game· minority rule· census· glad· lgbtq

45:30 You're gonna have to. Hey, I had a nice lunch with Baron Roger Colburn who is from Michigan. He stopped by. He was in Austin visiting his sister and we had lunch on Friday. He's quite a dapper dude. He's dapper? Dapper, yeah. He's brave really. He drives a Tesla in Michigan. He's pretty brave. Oh, especially in that weather. Yeah. And he actually said that, you know, you're right as I was driving, I realized I'm a lot less careful than I used to be with the autopilot and stuff like that. So I may have saved his life. And good. Yeah. And he gave me two cool things. He gave me a fast that I can do that apparently works to remove all allergies and someone he knows in Austin did it and and is now allergy free.

46:20 It's a fast where you drink lemon water with honey and cayenne pepper and I don't know for five days. Is Tina still around? But more importantly he's Nassim Taleb. This is the guy as the black swan guy who predicted the crash. I think he's also predicted Bitcoin's demise. Where are we at today? I don't know about that. Yeah, Bitcoin must be doing great actually. I think I read 6200 yet because that's yeah, I do that's the bounce back level. Let me see where we at. Oh, who cares just go on with the story So this guy has written a book called skin in the game and he says what is really a big and Saturn no, no, he hasn't written he's written a different book about finances

47:18 No, this Nassim Taleb, the Black Swan guy, he wrote this book called Skin in the Game, which I've started reading, and he continues to use this term minority rule. And I've heard it, and of course we've discussed you know, the kind of the idea, but that's really what's going on in our society today is minority rules. For instance, in certain cities most butchers meat will be kosher or lots of products will be kosher. the majority of some... Or halal. Or halal, exactly. This is minority rule. Where, okay, well we might as well do this, it's the lowest common denominator, so we should probably all do it. And this appears to be something that needs looking into. Which is really how... Yeah, well, it's like the whole LGBTQ thing. Who are pissed off

48:16 About the same thing. You mean, you don't mean LGBTQIAAPP? No, LGBTQIAAPK to be correct. I don't know if that's any more correct than what I'm saying. But GLAAD is bent out of shape. No, I'm sorry. Outraged! Because forget citizen no citizen, now that they all look at the census like, oh there's a census? Oh okay, it must be racist. Oh man, there's no question about LGBTQ. So glad GLAAD are outraged because hey, if we don't know who's LGBTQQIAAPK, then resources could be taken away from them.

49:08 What resources? Well, that's what they're always... rights and resources is what they're always talking about. Our rights and resources. Yeah, this is a real story. Yeah. And it's in... and that's the American Community Survey, the one that we discussed on the previous show, which was handily renamed, even though it still had the citizen, no citizen question in there. And so yeah, the LGBTQ are arguing that this has to be included. You know, are you LGBTQ? Of course. Now you get other groups saying, well, I'm A or I'm AA or I'm IAAP, I'm K.

CHAPTER 10 / 29 Discussion

Sinclair Broadcasting, Scripted Local News, and Media Consolidation

A viral video compilation produced by ThinkProgress shows hundreds of Sinclair Broadcasting news anchors reading an identical script about the "danger to our democracy" posed by fake news. The hosts discuss Sinclair's history of media consolidation and their reputation for enforcing centralized editorial mandates across local stations. They compare the strict scripting to their own experiences in mainstream media, such as MTV's branding restrictions.

sinclair broadcasting· fake news· thinkprogress· media consolidation· local news

49:46 It's a mess. It's a mess. But yeah, it's a fear. You think it's a mess? This is what our show is for. Yeah. To straighten out the mess for everybody. Yeah, well I can't straighten this one out. We're never going to get to the show today though, I don't think. What do you think? This is the show. What are you talking about? This is the show. Well, we both have this one clip. We're going to take a little break from our chat. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, we both had this. This was over tweeted. Everybody got a clue. What happened was Sinclair Broadcasting. It was based in Austin. Oh, really? I thought they were based in New England. No, headquartered in Austin. They bought the remnants of Mevio. Sinclair Broadcasting? Yes.

50:30 You sure it's the same one? I'm pretty sure, yeah. It's the one that owns all the hundreds of TV stations? Yeah, of TV stations, yeah. Okay, well, now you got me wondering because I don't think they had anything to do with Mevio. Well, they bought the remnants, they bought the studio, and then Ron Bloom put together that Hollywood Today show, which was broadcast on their stations. was on Fox in the local Bay Area. It was broadcast... they don't own just Fox, they own other stations. They don't own Fox either. No, they own... they have... they own stations. And some of those... And we'll just leave it at that. And some of those stations are Fox stations. So let's... we'll just stop.

51:14 Sinclair Broadcasting is a conservative operation. Yeah, they're also a cup some I would say they're slightly dickish They're the ones who tried to prevent HD TV from getting where it got We all have HD TV now 16 by 9 HD TV digital TV. I'm sorry nowhere. I'm sorry. I Continue. Yes, HDTV, digital television, and the 16 by 9 format, it took over the place to the point where they made the rest of it illegal or they just made you take, you couldn't broadcast analog anymore. And Sinclair was a big roadblock to this. They hated it. And because it was, and the reason they hated it was because they had all these TV stations

52:05 And they knew it was gonna cost a mint to retrofit them all to send digital signals out. And it was like a pain in the ass. Yes, they didn't want to pay, them want to pay the cost. We're making good money now, we don't need this digital crap. And so they made a fuss and it was really a bit kind of ridiculous at the end of the day. So they bought even more stations in the meantime, because the other guys, they finally said, hey, wait a minute, if these guys are gonna spend their stations, they're gonna put all that money into Go Digital, why don't we wait until they do that, then we'll buy them. And so they kind of changed their ideas. And so now they own a lot of stations. They own probably a third of the stations in the country, something, something, too many to go to too many stations.

52:53 I guess they every so often put out this memo that the news operations are supposed to read as if it's theirs. And the memo in this case, it was an editorial they all read. And it was, oh, we're fighting fake news in our community of blank space. And then the whole thing was just wrote. And I guess some smart cookie out there Went to all the Sinclair stations or had two of them in his area and he noticed this exact same thing so he got copies of all these people saying the exact the hundreds of stations saying the exact same thing with the exact same cadence and You know just replacing the name of their towns and

53:35 And it was hilarious, everybody on Twitter and everywhere else, they're going nuts over this thing. And we do have a copy and we'll play it. If you haven't heard it, which you'll end up hearing it probably a lot. Listen to this for a second. I'm looking at their corporate website. I think they may have moved out of Austin, actually. I think you're right. But Bloom was here and I went up and I met them. So, you know, I met someone who's important to Sinclair here in Austin. In 2010s, according to Our History, recognizing the benefits of scale and reach, Sinclair led the next wave of industry consolidation. As its platform grew and viewing patterns evolved, Sinclair launched its digital platform, emerging network and other original content. It was during this time that David Smith's vision for the mobility and portability of the television signal took hold as the industry coalesced around the need for ATSC 3.0.

54:23 Yeah, yeah, it's another one of those things nobody uses. Right. Right. So let's play this again. You'll be highly amused. And it's not as if we have never noticed this, as if we haven't played clip after clip of the talking head saying the same thing constantly. But now it's about a Trump run network, Trump friends. And now, of course, I'm oh, well, now and now look at this. Who knew he's mind controlling you people if you've been listening to. And I'm a little disappointed, honestly. But the number of yeah the over tweets in the over emails like not I don't think one single person said Like like we didn't know this know what I got was I'm sure you saw it I'm sure someone sent it to you, which is okay And I want and never think that that I haven't seen it before it's all right sometimes There are some obscurity that people think gets around more than it does this the only reason I

55:21 And this was almost put together professionally because it's a video. It is very professional. And it has all the little boxes and has everybody talking at the same time. It's quite slick for one of these things. It doesn't work as well in audio, I've noticed, because you don't see all the boxes. No, no, because there's a moment in there where they're all talking and it just sounds like cacophony. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's play it. It's not bad. Let's play it. We are concerned about the public's trying to get their response along with one side of the story. Plaguing our country. Plaguing our country. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media. More alarming, some media outlets publish these same fake stories without checking facts first. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media. More alarming, some media outlets

56:19 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

56:59 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is actually my favorite part. What I like about this is you can really hear the different news anchors acting in what they think is an important news anchory type of way. And you can, once you know, now you really are cognizant of it being a script, and how they are all trying to put their own little personality. This is dangerous, and that's why, you know, I mean, just listen. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. Everyone has a different read, you know, this is extremely dangerous. Yeah, they're toned differently. I like it. Different key. I like it. Well, the thing that bothers me about this, and yeah, you're right, you can kind of see the, but what I see is actually a narrow range

57:48 I'm not saying like the white listen to this last sequence. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy It's almost like an audition tape You know, it sounds like people are auditioning. Yeah, five different reads, please. Yeah, yeah. Just change it up a little. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. It's great.

58:28 Now, the thing that of course is overlooked is the amount of packages that are pre-produced. And this was compiled, I believe, by ThinkProgress. So it's a, that is a DNC powered group. Yes, I would be right. Yeah, it was professionally done. This was done, it was overproduced actually. They, they would have, if they backed off a little bit, it wouldn't look so ridiculously slick. And I will say this though, and before you go on with that, what you're going to say is I'm, More annoyed by the fact that they were given apparently given given zero latitude because you don't, not everybody has to say this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. You could have said this is dangerous to our democracy. This is really dangerous to our democracy. This is kind of dangerous to our democracy. This might be dangerous to our democracy. Oh, you can't editorialize like that? But this is the editorial people that are doing this. They should be able to editorialize, but apparently it's all centrally located where you hear, you're going to have to say extremely. Yes.

59:28 Yeah, well that's douchey. We used to get this at MTV all the time. We were forbidden to say the VMAs. And if you slip that into a segment, you get a call from HQ, because I'll be monitoring up there at 1776 Broadway. Hey, burn that! He said VMAs, it's Video Music Awards, that's our brand, keep it that way. And now if you look at MTV, it's all VMA this, VMA that, VMA this, VMA that. They were always like that. Yes, mainstream is completely controlled. This is why we don't participate in that system.

CHAPTER 11 / 29 Discussion

No Agenda Producer Donations, Knighting Ceremony, and Executive Producers

The hosts conduct a lengthy donation segment, thanking producers for their financial support under the "value-for-value" model. Notable donors include Sir Midnight of the Rivers, Sir Joseph, and Dutch podcaster Roderick Velo. The segment includes the reading of letters, the granting of "jobs karma," and the playing of various jingles requested by the contributors.

donations· value-for-value· sir midnight· sir joseph· roderick velo· amsterdam

1:00:07 This is why we only are supported by our producers who we don't consider to be a product or even listeners, they're producers of this product, creating the value within our own network. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C.! Where the C stands for cell phones are out, pages are in, Dvorak! In the morning to you, Mr. Paranoid. Also in the morning to all ships at sea, all boots on the ground, all feet in the air, and all subs in the water. And the games and nights out there. Yes, indeed. In the morning to the troll room. Hello, bello trolls. Everyone seems to be doing groovy there. Nice to see them all. And I also would like to say in the morning to Cesium 137, bought us the artwork for episode

1:00:53 1020 under count of color. It's like 21. No, this is 1021. It was 1020 Oh 1020 did the artwork for all right? This was the stop sign with a 33 in it and actually comment your bloggers I mean email apparently there's some Twitter account and if you send an image to it and Like a street sign would be an example even if you put some stickers on it It will tell you the readability of it according to their machine language algo rhythm. Oh Yeah, it's kind of cool. So you can test and see what you get a sense of it. Where's your icon? I never got that note Yeah, I'm very surprised because you are his Slavic brother. Why he only emailing me not you what is wrong those sense what is wrong? Let me see. Let me see if I can find his email real quick. Oh

1:01:45 Well, while you're looking for that, I'm gonna start to thank people. Beginning with, we do have some producers and executive producers for today's show, 1021. And 1021 in the 10 codes means give me a phone call. And that's usually employed by cops who are having affairs. 1021. Sir Midnight. Here it is, by the way. You need to tweet it to at vision underscore API. Okay at vision underscore API. Thanks ESP good tip vision Underscore API alrighty sir midnight of the rivers in Crestview, Florida came in with five hundred and eighty dollars and eight cents oh nice PayPal seems to be in Who's imposed a much smaller character limit for these notes than my last donation? So please see my email. Oh geez

1:02:47 I mean, Sir Midnight of the Rivers, I don't have an email. Yes, because here's the problem, Sir Midnight of the Rivers, because the way the spreadsheet works, you do not have a... because Eric sees, just use my title, so that's what he does. And so now to tell us to go look you up, we don't have your name. So, so, sorry. Why don't we, we can give him a karma. Give him a karma. There's nothing against that. I'll find it. I'll find his name. You've got karma. I was sure Squirrel Mail could search in the body of the message. I'll find, oh really? Search in the body of the message of 10 million messages on Squirrel Mail. Yeah, that'll work.

1:03:35 All right, onward. I'll find it for the next segment, I'm sure of it. Sir Joseph Barron of Southern California, $500. He says, JCD has a note, he's right. I do have a note and I'm holding it. This is actually a Steenbergen, retired Lieutenant Colonel of the Marines. Out of Carlsbad. We're a little behind with listening to your show. since I had surgery in January, but I wanted to get this check out to you before the end of March because my household omnibus lists this donation as budgeted for the first quarter of the fiscal year. Nice! He's got us in the budget! I love it! Thank you! Thank you! We're in the budget! Yes, and the budget was passed by both sides of the house.

1:04:19 We're in the budget. We're in the budget. Thank you. Thank you, Sir Joseph. Without doubt, helping to produce your show is by far and away the best investment we make. Your deconstructions are insightful and educational. Please keep doing what you're doing for another 10 years No jingles, but I could use a bit of health karma. Thanks. You bet. Thank you very much. Semper Fi. You've got karma Some nice Marine Corps letterhead I think it's oh beautiful beautiful beautiful note paper. It's worth keeping Anonymous $333. Please keep me anonymous. Okay. I'm a first-time donor, so please de-douche. Consider it done.

1:05:25 Also, not only is he admittedly using native advertising to promote his new business, but he just received his doctor's note to take his dog with him to work every day for emotional support. Oh, nose. Wow. Do you need a note from your doctor when you're in the tent and you have your dog there for emotional support in San Diego? Or is it just okay? I think they probably have a doctor sitting in the corner writing scripts for pot. For the next few months, my text tone has been, fact check false, which I always enjoy explaining to new friends. NJGK, no jingles, goat karma. Fact check false, you've got

1:06:13 karma. Okay, well... I don't know what that is. Me neither. But I will go look it up and we'll maybe play it in the next show. Okay.

1:06:51 He says that was certainly the says hopefully will encourage other listeners and producers to donate it is certainly a kick in the pants I need it. Can I please? Well, definitely look it up. Can I get a dealer's choice of Sharpton? Fuck the EU and millennials stay woke. Tonight is the measure of whether the country begins in the state of Wisconsin, a national drive to push back or whether we have more to go to build a movement of resistance. But resist, we much. We must and we will much about that be committed.

1:07:41 You've got karma. I haven't heard the long form of resist we much for a long time. I don't know, years. Yes. Charles Couch, $234. He'll be associate executive producer for show 2010, 20, 2010, 2010, 21. I'll get it eventually. Dear John and Adam, happy early birthday to John. Thank you for continuing to create an excellent product. Truly, this is the best mix of entertainment and Oops, I shouldn't have carried out. Best and truth, truth, truth, truth, truth I have found. Thank you for continuing to call out the BS the controlling class lays onto us slaves. Please

1:08:25 Give me a healthy dose of Jobs Karma and I as I have a job interview coming up on Thursday also Can you give me two end of show jingles one of them is Donald loves Nazis Donald loves Nazis Yeah, and the swollen amygdala jingle by the Aussie night That's not it hmm I vaguely remember it. I don't know the title. I'll have to look on that. Why don't we do the Donald loves Nazis? Donald loves Nazis. Donald loves Nazis. CNN say that he's KKK and he shouts and sing Hail with it. Wow. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma.

1:09:22 Onward to, this is pretty funny, Mr. Pre-Self-Radicalized $200. He says, he takes a dim view apparently of my reading skills or organizational skills as a whole by starting with, unless you've already read my name on the air, please refer to me as Mr. Pre-Self-Radicalized. Guardians of reality, no agenda family, SOS, please assist. As I imagine you will or have already discussed, a caravan of thousands of Central American economic immigrants are brazenly and illegally entering Mexico on the course to the US where they will seek asylum as refugees or just sneak in. Rather than their own countries, they plan to drain ours of our wealth. Rather than fix their own countries,

1:10:12 What did I say? You said rather than their own countries. Ah, rather than fix their own countries, they plan to drain ours of our wealth. The sorrows orchestrated mass migration of third worlders that is now running Europe is about to repeat itself here. We would just throw our hands in the air, or will we just throw our hands in the air and accept enslavement to illegal aliens? I say no! Americans for Americans. Please visit and share our website StopTheCaravan.com Spread the word! We cannot give up on our country! Build a wall! Build a wall. Build a wall. Build a wall. Build a wall. Alright.

1:10:50 I think I read I reread what you write if they're if they're I just want to say I'd have we'll look at stop the caravan calm we'll take a look but if they're economic migrants they cannot seek asylum they are not refugees there are very clear is very clear language about that so if you can if you can classify them as economic migrants then then Border Patrol should be able to do the same but I'll take a little wall build a wall build a wall Last but not least, our last associate executive producer. Hey, my buddy! My buddy! Roderick? Roderick Velo. Roderick Velo. $200. Say it again. Roderick Velo. You gotta do a jingle for him. I have to do a jingle for him? Yeah, like you're listening to the best, the best podcaster in the Netherlands, in the lowlands. Roderick Velo. When I'm listening to podcasts, I listen to Roderick Velo, the best podcaster in the lowlands.

1:11:56 Nailed it! He's also an M5M guy. That's the cool thing about it. And he's an M5M guy. Well, that's good. Yeah. Well, so are we really. In the morning to you Adam and John. Thank you both for this gathering twice a week. The show is highly informative, entertaining and very inspiring. Just another $200 because there is nothing in this universe like the best podcast in the universe. Booba! Today's continue. Oh. Kind regards, Roderick in Amsterdam, Holland. That's very cool. Yeah, they have a, he has a podcast and they talk about us from, you know, or they refer, I think we get listeners because of him. Let's put it that way. Oh, that's a plus. But also he goes back to the pirate, the pirate station, uh, pirate radio days. Oh, the old days. Yes. That's how long we've known each other. It's nice.

1:12:47 Nice. Thank you. Thank you. Anyway, that's that's our group of executive producers and associate executive producers for show 1021 yes, and each and every one of them. That's right. And just like Roderick, you can put this fresh credit anywhere that you desire. I I don't know if Roderick should put it on his CV if he's looking for another M5M gig. But put it on your LinkedIn people do seem to respond very well to the idea. So these are executive producers and associate executive producers Thank you very much for supporting the work It is after all your podcast will be thanking more people came in and $50 and above shortlist today, but hey, it's Easter We don't even know if anyone's listening

CHAPTER 12 / 29 Discussion

Laura Ingraham, David Hogg, and the Advertiser Boycott

Fox News host Laura Ingraham faced an advertiser boycott after mocking Parkland student activist David Hogg's college rejection on Twitter. The hosts discuss the role of Media Matters in orchestrating the pressure on advertisers and critique the "bullying" narrative surrounding the event. They also briefly touch upon the complexity of the American GPA system and advanced placement courses.

laura ingraham· david hogg· fox news· media matters· boycott· gpa

1:13:26 But we're happy to be here and we will do it again on Thursday. Remember us at... Dvorak.org slash N-A-T-O. You're hanging out with the family, getting ready for a little bit of Easter brunch. Why don't you try propagating? Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up! Shut up, Stevie. Yeah... Um... So I guess we can kind of tie it in here, you know, it kind of fits around. It does fit around a donation segment. What has been going on with David Hogg and Laura Ingram? I have a clip.

1:14:13 Good I got a couple clips to what do you have? Well, you can play mine and then you can play yours and Joes are probably better It's just the apology clip. Okay Fox News host Laura Ingram announced last night that she's taking a planned vacation from her program next week Now her break comes after about a dozen appetizers cut ties with her show after she mocked Stoneman Douglas student activist David Hogg on Twitter Ingram later apologized Yeah, that's not entirely the story. That's not exactly how it went. That's a crappy news. Although I have seen a lot of people, you know, saying, oh, she's on vacation. Hashtag done. Hashtag gone. Hashtag fired.

1:14:54 Um, hashtag done. Yeah. But you know, this is a, this is the example we like we pull it. It doesn't go very long on this show before he can pull up one of these examples of some poor schlep schlub. Sorry. In this case, Abraham. In this case, yeah, in this case, Laura. Ingraham. Getting her tit in the ringer for saying something that, you know, turns out there's a big pressure group behind this Hogg character. I mean, your little thing on Hogg was devastating, I thought, but, nah, Hogg's still up there. No, no, it's, well...

1:15:32 This is the problem here. This is extreme child abuse. I feel very bad for this kid. He's a kid This is just let's remember. He's a damn kid He's 10 years younger than my kid. He's a kid. He's being abused. In this case, he was abused by Media Matters. So yeah, Laura Ingraham, she tweeted something semi-mean. You know, like, oh well, you're too, you know, you can't get into UCLA because of your grade point average, whatever. Who gives a crap? And by the way, The whole world uses a different system. We have 1 to 10. What is this 4.2? If you got a 4.2 in Europe, you're a loser. No, I think it's worse than that. Because what you're dealing with is 0 to 4 is the scale. There's no 10. No, but in Europe it's to 10. Yeah, well, that's fine, but that's Europe. But we don't do that. We have A, B, C, D.

1:16:30 E or F, A, B, C, D, where's the E? A, B, C, D, F. A, B, C, D, F, yes. Yeah, there's no way, they can't even do that right. So, A, A, A. Wait a minute, wait, stop. If it goes to 4, how can you get a 4.1? Exactly. I thought it went to 5. No! This is nuts. It goes to 4 and you get the 4.1, the 4.2 by taking these things called AP, Advanced Placement. And it just, for some reason it changes the, oh, you got an A, You took four classes and one advanced placement. That's five classes. You got an A in all the classes and in the advanced placement. You got five A's, but you really only took four classes. So you have to do the division differently. So you end up with over four as an average. This is nuts. It is. And also, you know, what is the perfect score then?

1:17:27 Apparently, who knows? It depends on how many advanced placement courses you take. And I'm sure it all flows right into your FICO score somewhere. There's no doubt about it. This is all part of the giant scam that the public is, has to be. I don't know why they're not up in arms about this 4.2 idea. So she said blah blah blah, you only got this, it'll be stupid, which I think could have been more slam on the university itself, but okay. And then everyone's all pissed off, oh you're bullying the kids! You're bullying the kid. The people who are abusing the kid are calling her out as a bully. She apologizes. Ah, no, but that's half-hearted. It's no good. I don't accept that apology. Boycott her! Boycott her! The media matters, whispering. This is the cartoon we need, Comic Strip Blogger. Although it would probably never make the artwork. But this kid has media matters whispering in his ear. This is what they do. This is their system.

CHAPTER 13 / 29 Discussion

David Hogg CNN Interview, Corporate America, and Political Grooming

A clip from CNN features David Hogg discussing the Laura Ingraham apology and his appreciation for "corporate America" standing with his movement. The hosts criticize Hogg's rhetoric, suggesting he is being groomed for a political career and noting the irony of a youth activist praising corporate power. The segment also includes a clip of John Heilemann praising Hogg's "fearlessness" compared to Republican politicians.

david hogg· cnn· corporate america· nra· gun reform· steve king

1:18:24 You know, and what's going to happen is already taking place. The kid is now the new Hitler. Every meme on the face bag and the tweeters is him. Heil Hitler. There's some really good ones, actually. Pretty funny. Yeah. The Hitler you guys. He really takes to that small little mustache. That kid, he does take to it very well. But it is abuse of this kid. So here's CNN him explaining, explaining we should be kids explaining what went down. David Hogg joins us now. So, David, First, what surprised you more, Ingram's apology or the powerful response now from advertisers? From advertisers, oh powerful response. You know, when you, look, you can mess with guns in America, okay, but and they say, oh man, you mess with guns, this is really the worst thing you can do. You can even mess with God in America, but when you mess with advertisers, you got to be very careful.

1:19:20 Because if you think there's any broadcast corporation that is happy about this, you are wrong. They all know what can happen. It can happen to CNN. It can happen to any organization. This is the most dangerous thing the kid has done. You do not fuck with the advertisers in the United States of America. I think what was more surprising to me wasn't the apology because that was kind of expected, especially after so many of her advertisers dropped out. Like, that was one of the things that disturbed me most. There were multiple tweets in between her first tweet calling me out and then the other tweet where she basically tried apologizing. There were multiple instances that she could have done an apology but didn't. Oh, it wasn't fast enough! I'm glad to see corporate America standing with me and the other students of Parkland and... Okay, whoa, whoa. Did I just hear a young kid say I'm glad to have corporate America stand with me?

1:20:10 Is this now what it's come to? Nice catch. We have to be against the man at all cost, all the time, children. There are multiple tweets in between her first tweet calling me out and then the other tweet where she basically tried apologizing. There are multiple instances that she could have done an apology but didn't. I'm glad to see corporate America standing with me and the other students of Parkland and every everybody else because when we work together we can accomplish anything. Oh yes, oh yeah. When we work together with corporate America, David Hogg, future leader, future senator. You'll find out. We really solve problems when we work with corporate America. It's a great idea. Keep that attitude. Remember that. No matter who somebody is, no matter how big or powerful they may seem, a bully is a bully and it's important that you stand up to them. There have been multiple instances throughout Ingram's professional career where she's tried calling out people, for example, at Dartmouth University because of their sexual orientation and she told LeBron James to shut up and dribble. I don't see any apology for that. Oh, she hasn't apologized to LeBron James!

1:21:12 This is... she hasn't apologized to corporate America because that's what LeBron James really represents. No kidding. He represents corporate America and he needs to apologize. He needs an apology for... and by the way, Laura Ingraham is a bully. I don't like the way she talks to people. I don't like the way she interviews people. She's definitely a bully. Oh yeah, she's always been a bully. She was a bully on radio. Yeah, like duh. But... Yeah, so what? But she issued the apology. Ah, no, no, no. That's... didn't do it quick enough and she hasn't apologized to corporate America. There's a time... this time thing hit Trump some time ago too. But it's like you can't only just apologize. You have to apologize. Immediately. Immediately. You have to apologize fast. Right away.

1:21:54 Otherwise, it's just not good. Yes, yes, and you have to- and you should go away for a while. It's just, it's really sad. It's disturbing to know that somebody could cause, could bully so many people and just get away with it, especially to the level that she did. But I think now with... To the level that she did. Dribble the ball! Oh yeah, and by the way, let's get things straight here. LeBron James being bullied? Please. The guy is 6'8", he weighs almost 300 pounds and he's built like a brick shithouse.

1:22:32 And nobody bullies this guy, but it wasn't about him. It was about bullying corporate America I guess that's what it was about It's disturbing to know that somebody could cause can bully so many people and just get away with it Especially to the level that she did but I think now with advertisers standing with us we can accomplish anything. Oh we stand with him This is your new logo corporate America Pepsi Cola. We stand with hog and The word bully stands out because some people are calling you a bully. Oh no! Conservative commentator Eric Erickson, I want to read you what he has said. He said, having someone apologize to you and then refusing to accept it unless conditions are met is what bullies do. Let's say definition of bully. I never heard that one. I think it's a stretch but it's pretty funny.

1:23:20 Let me see. I think you could say, you could make that argument. A person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who... direct translation. I don't know, he does have the power of corporate America behind him, so that's pretty powerful, you know, when you're out there telling people, hey, shut up or we'll take your advertisers away. What do you say to that? I don't agree with it. Just like Laura, she can have her opinion, he can have his. It's up to them, but I don't agree with it personally. Laura Ingram has invited you back on her show for a, quote, productive discussion. Would you consider doing that?

1:23:55 I would only consider doing that after she apologizes to all the people that she's hurt throughout her professional career because of her immaturity and unprofessionalism. It's not right, and I think she needs to apologize to those people that she's hurt. In other words, no. That way, Ingram probably won't be the last person to attack you. Do you worry at all about this kind of back and forth becoming a distraction to your main mission and what you're trying to accomplish with gun reform? Absolutely, because I think when people call us out like this, what they're really trying to do is distract from the bigger movement here. And that we're not trying to take anyone's guns, we're simply trying to save lives. That's all we're trying to do and when Laura uses divisive language like many many people on her show have where she calls us the left and right and doesn't acknowledge the fact that we're just all Americans. Ah, so his problem is not that she's a bully, it's like she employs the left-right paradigm, not like CNN or MSNBC do that, but yeah I mean they're not divisive. Our diversity is our strength. She needs to acknowledge the fact that every

1:24:52 everybody's opinion matters even in from my perspective hers does too but what matters most is that we come together as Americans and what I think shows like hers do is divide us even more and I don't I think division is the last thing this country needs we need to come together as Americans not as Democrats or Republicans. This seems to be the way he wraps up all of his little speeches is we have to come together right now over me and and then be Americans and save children He sounds a lot like a politician and I think that's what he's being groomed for. He's definitely taking his gap year. So I understand you're taking a gap year, aside not to go to college right now. What are you planning to do? Are you trying to harness something more in this movement and have politicians reached out to you?

1:25:41 Yes, some have. What I plan on doing during this gap here, which I still may not be taking, I haven't really made a final decision on, is I'm going to be working on a candidate basis because there are Republicans who are supported by the NRA and not supported by the NRA. There's Democrats that are supported by the NRA and there's Democrats that are not supported by the NRA. I'm going to be working on a candidate basis to ensure that the best people that are willing to serve their constituents and not special interests are getting into office. Which candidates have reached out to you? There was mainly one that's going against Steve King in Iowa that has reached out to me. Shut up! A few have reached out to me, but I think at the end of the day, what's important is that we all... The deal's not signed, kid. It's not done yet. You gotta have some competition. Make sure you tell them that there's a couple of people who have reached out to you. Steve King in Iowa that has reached out to me.

1:26:28 And that's a few have reached out to me, but I think at the end of the day I think I actually hear someone whisper. I think I hear something hold on. Yeah, I don't think he's got it. I Yeah, he does yeah, he does. No he wouldn't hit just with his chat, but he I don't think that the controller Let me just let me just hear let me just listen if I thought I heard not an IFB But I thought I heard someone whisper something to him hold on oh the amount I gotta have a sidekick there. Yeah, it's possible. I could be wrong. Let's just listen. Again, Steve King in Iowa, that has reached out to me. And that's... A few have reached out to me, but I think at the end of the day, what's important is that we all just really come together and work on this, not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans to solve this issue and realize that our strength is in our diversity of people and our diversity of ideas. Because this is not an issue that has one solution. There are multiple solutions that we must work to implement to fix this.

1:27:17 You know, I'm not quite sure what is his message now. His message is... He's falling apart. He's just... No, he is not afraid of nothing. This kid is... he's more... Heroic than anybody, you know according to MSNBC. No, that's right John Heilman talked a minute ago about fear and we think about politics today We think particularly about the Republican majority in America's greatest scared rabbit Paul Ryan and we look at all these Republican members that are scared to death scared to death of Fox News of Laura Ingram of Rush Limbaugh of

1:27:59 And what you see in this young man is a quality of character, fearlessness. And maybe that's what happens after you've been downrange of an AR-15 that kills your classmates and comes close to killing you. You lose all fear because this kid's not scared. He's not scared of the NRA. He's not intimidated and scared by Lori Ingram. Lori Ingram huffs and puffs, and you have half the Republican Party's hiding under the half of them are hiding under their bed. They're so scared, so timid, so skittish. Not these kids though. And I think that it's going to be definitional to the political debate that we see play out between November of 2018 when I think Trumpism will be roundly repudiated and the next presidential election in 2020. But that is such a contrast, these kids, to the elected officials in the Republican Party.

1:28:57 Now, I'm okay with this child abuse if you really need to do it and tell you how brave everybody is, but could you just do a story about something else once in a while? The Pentagon now identifying the American soldier killed in Syria this week. 36-year-old Master Sergeant Jonathan Dunbar of Austin, Texas, died in a roadside bomb blast. The explosion happening in a part of Syria thought to be clear to ISIS. A British soldier was also killed in the attack, five others were wounded. Dunbar's death is the first US combat death in Syria this year. He was a highly decorated soldier with multiple awards and honors. I'm pretty sure you didn't hear that report anywhere. No, I heard it. It was played here. Yeah? Oh, okay. I'm surprised. Yeah, it wasn't played on MSNBC, I'm sure. No, definitely not. And the talking point from the right and the

CHAPTER 14 / 29 Discussion

Master Sergeant Jonathan Dunbar, Second Amendment, and Equal Rights Amendment

The hosts report on the death of Master Sergeant Jonathan Dunbar in Syria, noting the lack of coverage in mainstream media compared to the Hogg controversy. They transition into a constitutional discussion regarding the Second Amendment and the preamble to the Bill of Rights, debating whether rights can be legally "repealed." The segment concludes with a look at the failed ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) and the influence of Phyllis Schlafly.

jonathan dunbar· syria· second amendment· bill of rights· equal rights amendment· phyllis schlafly

1:27:59 And what you see in this young man is a quality of character, fearlessness. And maybe that's what happens after you've been downrange of an AR-15 that kills your classmates and comes close to killing you. You lose all fear because this kid's not scared. He's not scared of the NRA. He's not intimidated and scared by Lori Ingram. Lori Ingram huffs and puffs, and you have half the Republican Party's hiding under the half of them are hiding under their bed. They're so scared, so timid, so skittish. Not these kids though. And I think that it's going to be definitional to the political debate that we see play out between November of 2018 when I think Trumpism will be roundly repudiated and the next presidential election in 2020. But that is such a contrast, these kids, to the elected officials in the Republican Party.

1:28:57 Now, I'm okay with this child abuse if you really need to do it and tell you how brave everybody is, but could you just do a story about something else once in a while? The Pentagon now identifying the American soldier killed in Syria this week. 36-year-old Master Sergeant Jonathan Dunbar of Austin, Texas, died in a roadside bomb blast. The explosion happening in a part of Syria thought to be clear to ISIS. A British soldier was also killed in the attack, five others were wounded. Dunbar's death is the first US combat death in Syria this year. He was a highly decorated soldier with multiple awards and honors. I'm pretty sure you didn't hear that report anywhere. No, I heard it. It was played here. Yeah? Oh, okay. I'm surprised. Yeah, it wasn't played on MSNBC, I'm sure. No, definitely not. And the talking point from the right and the

1:29:47 Republicans about, you know, this whole repeal the Second Amendment, I guess is what I should have preferred that by, is well, the Removing the Second Amendment, and this is true, does not remove your repealing the Second Amendment, which I presume will be taking, you know, have some amendment, the way it works, it has to be some amendment that says, okay, Second Amendment is now no longer valid, doesn't actually take away any rights. Which is true. The Second Amendment forbids Congress from making any laws against those rights that you have. And the interesting thing is that at the Bill of Rights, I don't think it's printed anymore as such, there's a preamble that is very clear that these rights can never take, that the amendments can never take away a right. They can only increase the rights.

1:30:49 Well, I don't recall that and I don't remember being brought up during the when the Volstead Act was passed Oh, tell me about the Volstead Act. That's the Prohibition Act that took away rights. I actually looked that up That was the 21st amendment was repealing the 18th. I don't remember and yes Well, I looked it up because I knew this would come up and the 18th. Do you know what this or the 18th amendment? Do you know what that actually was? What? Okay, so I'll read it to you. No, I don't. I have not looked at these amendments. Now, this is important. I didn't know either. After one year from the ratification of this article, the manufacturer, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within the importation that, within the importation thereof into or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territories subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

1:31:47 Now this has to do with interstate commerce and that's why you had the the moonshine runners and people were transporting alcohol from one spot to the other or from one state to the other and arguably the federal government has power over commerce between states. How come all the wineries had to close in California? They could easily Because it says... Maintain a number of them and sell wine and within the state and do quite well. Because it said the manufacture, sale or transportation and I wager, I don't know for sure, but the 21st was probably argued specifically on, you know, the manufacture thing. How can you forbid people to make something?

1:32:34 I don't think so. Well, we have constitutional lawyers in our midst who will set us straight. We do. Somebody can come up with something. We'll get a little lecture in the mail, in the email. We'll bring it up. But the preamble to the Bill of Rights, I'm looking for it here. You know, whenever someone talks about the preamble, I'm like, eh, and then it's like before you know it, you're reading the Federalist Papers. You're like, oh, geez. I thought it was simple. You just had these amendments, this Bill of Rights, you read through it, there you go. But it doesn't seem to be that simple. Well, where is this? Why don't you find it, read it. Okay. It's Preamble to the Bill of Rights. I thought it was in this article, but for some reason... I hope you're also trying to find this and not just sitting there just letting me do all this. Preamble! Okay, here we go.

1:33:28 The conventions of a number of the states having at the time of their adopting the Constitution expressed a desire in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added. That means you can make an amendment. And as extending the ground of public confidence in the government will best ensure the benefits ends of its institution. Where the hell? Yeah. I think that's the part that we're supposed to understand. That is, that's what everyone's bitching about. Let me read it again. The conventions of a number of the states having at the time of their adopting the Constitution expressed a desire in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers that further declaratory and restrictive clauses, there you go, restrictive clauses should be added and as an extending the ground of public confidence in the government will best ensure the benefits ends of its institution. So anything

1:34:27 Anything they want to add has to be restrictive in nature. Yeah, restrictive of government powers. Yes. In other words, if you're going to add something that means what you're doing is you're saying the feds can't do this. Yeah. So I don't think you can say a new amendment, you can't own guns. That I think cannot be in the Constitution. So what do you make it? What do you make of it? They can't have, you can't put it, you can, I guess you can say, okay, we take out the Second Amendment and then we can create laws, but we still, according to the Constitution, have the right, because it's in the Constitution. Only... No, there's all natural rights. Natural rights, yes, yes. But it states that. It states in the Constitution we have these rights, here's the shit the government can't do. So you don't actually take away the right to own a gun.

1:35:22 to bear arms. No, but what you're doing is you're giving the feds an opportunity to make laws that would... Yeah, yeah, it's complicated. It's complicated. Well, it's not going to happen anyway because there's no way they can... Here, I'll bring it up again. Whatever happened to the Equal Rights Amendment? Can't we all be on board with that? Well, it didn't pass, did it? I think if you went on the street and did a man on the street, do it right there in Congress, I bet they all think it did. I don't think they know. I know, they all know. Everybody thinks it did, but it didn't. So unless you get that done, which you're not going to get done apparently because they've tried it, I think a couple of times, it won't pass. It doesn't go, it doesn't, you can thank Phyllis Schlafly for that.

1:36:15 She went around and had this very strong arguments as to why it's not a good idea to make men and women exactly the same because they're not. It would never pass. It's not going to pass. And this is not going to pass either because it's a tradition. Traditions are, you just can't write a law and eliminate the tradition. I mean, I think they'd love to eliminate tradition. They would like to get rid of all of American culture because it would fit much better in the global system with global governance and all the rest. And, you know, we didn't have all these stupid ideas. This is interesting. What did you call it? The equal rights what?

1:36:55 Equal rights amendment. Okay. ERA. Yes. Okay. I thought you said that equal rights act No, okay, because there was the Equal Rights Amendment Act which was put in place to create the Equal Rights Amendment Which is which was proposed. Let me just see Nevada Ratified it what I'm just looking at the Wikipedia. Hmm. How many states have it ratified? I don't think that many I That's the problem. To get a state to ratify anything nowadays because it's split down party lines, it's going to be harder and harder to change anything because of that. Except in states like California. They got 36 states. How many do they need? Well, you need two-thirds. Right.

1:37:53 Well, that would be 36 states is a lot. You need 38 states. They had two laggards. Let's see, who rescinded? Nebraska, Tennessee, Idaho, Kentucky, South Dakota. They rescinded. Texas was all in. California was all in. California's always all in. So Nebraska, Tennessee, Idaho. Racist fucks in Idaho, man. Yeah, so it wasn't ratified. We just lost all our Idaho donors. Yeah, well, I think Idaho knows their problems. Like people, you can walk with a gun on the street but you can't smoke on the street. I mean, it's a very odd place. It's true. It's true. Okay. Well, while we're on guns for just a moment, you remember the Quebec City shooter who... So what makes you think Idaho is racist? They didn't ratify the Second Amendment.

CHAPTER 15 / 29 Discussion

Quebec City Shooter, SSRI Side Effects, and Big Pharma

Quebec City mosque shooter Alexandre Bissonnette changed his plea to guilty, with reports surfacing that he was prescribed the SSRI paroxetine shortly before the attack. The hosts discuss the documented side effects of SSRIs, including hostility and impulsive thoughts, and criticize the heavy advertising presence of pharmaceutical companies on news networks. They suggest a link between psychiatric medication and mass casualty events.

alexandre bissonnette· ssri· paroxetine· big pharma· side effects

1:38:58 I mean the the Equal Rights Amendment. How's it what's that got to do with race? It just sounds good. Everything's racist. What does anything anyone says about racism today mean in general? Can't you just throw it out whenever you want? I'm just trying to make sure Idaho people aren't hurt. Oh please. Oh jeez. Yes. Sorry Idaho people. Yeah, here's what you can do. Why don't you bully our sponsor? Bully our sponsors. Tell them to pull out! He didn't apologize soon enough! Yeah, it took too long. I made three sentences in between my violation and my apology. So we had the Quebec City shooter, Bissonette, who now changed his not guilty plea to a guilty plea.

1:39:46 Yeah, they called say it killed six Muslim men. Yeah, this is like what two years ago three. Oh, no No, no, no, this is this year. I think was this I've already lost it. Okay going was this past year? Well, I got something here in the show notes. When was this matters not? He has now Changed his plea from not guilty to guilty and in the reporting we're now receiving that his doctor not long before He did this, I just put him on a new prescription of apoperoxetine, which you guessed it is an SSRI.

1:40:31 And if I have an article here about it, including some of its side effects, you can only, you know, besides the typical anal leakage and vomiting and restless leg syndrome, it's really, that's really one of the side effects. Particularly in the first few weeks or when... I got a pill for that. Particularly in the first few weeks or when doses are adjusted, a small number of patients taking this drug may feel worse instead of better. For example, They may experience unusual feelings of agitation hostility or anxiety or have impulse or impulsive or disturbing thoughts such as Thoughts of self-harm or harm to others should this happen to you consult your doctor immediately do not discontinue your medication on your own I mean come on and he's even saying you know I I did it you know and I I'm guilty of it, but it was I didn't feel myself and

1:41:21 He probably didn't, this was the drug that made him do it. And it's an SSRI, it's a classic case. Let's face it, a lot of people have certain kinds of dislike of other people, whether it's because of religion, maybe Muslims, or maybe it's their next door neighbor, or maybe it's just something, you know, you just don't like the guy. And you take one of these pills and you go kill the guy. You think there's maybe a connection here, this pill and the killing? I'd say yes. Yeah, but that can't be discussed on a show that stands with corporate America. I'm sorry, a show that corporate America stands with. Yeah, corporate America in most cases, Richard.

1:42:03 is big pharma. I mean, I'm watching just, I mean, besides the news shows, which are drug, drug, drug, SOS pads, drug, drug, drug, drug. I'm watching the evening TV offerings and this drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs still. I mean, it's like the whole day. What shows were you watching? I'm telling you, anything. I'll bet you if I want to watch the Roseanne Barr show, the next one, which should be, I don't know who's going to advertise on it, but I'll bet you there's drug ads on that show. I'll bet you there's tons of advertisers as well. I don't think you really think, okay, here's a perfect example. Wait a minute. What do you mean? There's ton. I'm talking about that advertisers.

CHAPTER 16 / 29 Discussion

Roseanne Reboot Success, ABC Heartland Strategy, and New York Times Criticism

ABC's reboot of "Roseanne" achieved massive ratings, which the network attributes to a "Heartland strategy" aimed at reaching overlooked voters in Middle America. The New York Times published an op-ed criticizing the show for "normalizing" Donald Trump, while Fox News hosts praised it as a breath of fresh air. The hosts discuss the cultural divide between coastal media elites and the show's target audience.

roseanne barr· abc· channing dungey· heartland strategy· new york times· trump voters

1:42:50 You said whoever's gonna advertise, as if no one wants to advertise on your show. Oh, no, I'm not saying... No, I didn't mean... That was an inference that was wrong. Oh, I misunderstood. You misunderstood. Yeah. What I meant to say... I said what I said, but my point is I'll bet you there's at least one or two drug ads on that show. And every other show. It's like every show has got drug ads. It's unbelievable. I was reading an article in... Let me see what it was. It was New York Times. ABC is saying that the success of Roseanne the reboot sprang from ABC's Heartland strategy and they are claiming really yeah they're claiming they had Tim Allen on that network what would happen to the strategy then when they fired him

1:43:38 Well, they began asking themselves which audiences they were not serving well after Trump got elected. After they fired Tim Allen? Yes. Did they ask it then? And I wonder, I don't think that's even in the entire article now, is it? Why is that? No, it's not in the article. Even New York Times lame-asses Jeez So they began ask themselves which audiences they were not serving well and what they could do to better live up to the company name the American Broadcasting company we stand with you by the meetings end they had in place the beginnings of a revised strategy that led the network to reboot a past hit centered on a struggling Midwestern family a show that had a chance to appeal to the voters who had helped mr. Trump in the White House

1:44:24 This is an admission of collusion. This is pure collusion that ABC is doing with a collusion with Trumpism. Any collusion? They should go after their advertisers. Well, I'm sure Media Matters will find a way to do that before long. Channing Dungey. Hey, Channing Dungey. Who's this? It's a woman. She's in charge of ABC Entertainment. Yeah? A woman. A woman! For Trumpism, I don't, this will not stand. I can't believe it's true. Oh, she's black! Oh no! What's going on? That seems like a setup then. The president, okay, Channing Dungy, or Dungy, the president of ABC Entertainment said the success of Roseanne was a direct result of the post-election day initiative to pursue an audience that the network had overlooked. We had spent a lot of time looking for diverse voices. Post-election day? Tim Allen was fired post-election. Yeah, but he's a white man.

1:45:24 Roseanne, as far as we know, is a white woman. Quote, we had spent a lot of time looking for diverse voices in terms of people of color and people from different religions and even people with a different perspective on gender, Ms. Dungy said. But we had not been thinking nearly enough about economic diversity and some of the other cultural divisions within our own country. That's been something we've really been looking at with open eyes since that time. Geniuses! Do these bullshit it sounds like bullshit to me because here let's play there's Fox Meanwhile, we have this other little thing about Rose Roseanne's getting a lot of publicity So the show's gonna do well for a while. They got picked up for the second season. Oh, they're ready Yeah, which is a big deal

1:46:10 Play the Roseanne, this is on Fox and Friends, a little discussion about the New York Times editorial. The Roseanne revival, calling Roseanne, congratulator on the ratings, 18 million people watching. And interesting because it was middle America watching, Tulsa, Kansas City, big ratings. And so the New York Times of course has to dump on it. Because now it's being renewed for its second season because a lot of people loved the show years ago and now that's being revived again they love the first season because Roseanne, she's outspoken, we all know her, and she's doubled down on her political views. This is someone, I think she's been a Democrat in the past, but she's a supporter of President Trump. I don't trust such a bad guy. So the newspaper the president calls the failing New York Times had this op-ed about Roseanne. They said this, the fictional family and the show's very real creator are

1:46:55 further normalizing Trump and his warped, harmful political ideologies. There are times when we can consume problematic pop culture, but this is not one of those times. The resistance must continue. Sorry, that was my editorializing. I saw the first two episodes of the Roseanne reboot, but that's all I'm going to watch. It's a small line to draw, but it is a start. Can't normalize President Trump by watching a TV show. But you know what? It does show that It did do well and that there are people not in California, not New York City, but all throughout this country that wanted a breath of fresh air. They wanted something different. And this show is entertaining and it's funny and I think that it's an example of what this country is all about. It took this long for someone to recognize that people who voted for President Trump also watch television? I mean, you know what I mean? These award shows, their ratings keep going into the tank. Maybe if they showed just a squosher balance and they weren't just liberal propaganda, they might have more viewers. And that's what this show did. Pointed out that the ratings, 18 million, was right around where the Oscars dropped to.

1:47:53 Did he say a squosh of balance? I'm not familiar with this term. A squash? Squash? He said squash? I think he said squash. Yeah, squash. Is that a real word? No. It's no real word. It is on Fox. Yeah, Fox. What do you say? Squash. Oh, I didn't read the Slam editorial. I did read a lot of Facebag posts of people saying, I won't watch it. you know, virtue signaling to the cult. I won't watch it! I can't have any of her crazy views creeping in on my consciousness! I won't watch it! It's an entertainment show. And it's actually, it's kind of doing what Hogg wants. All be Americans. Kinda. Yeah, well. Alright, well that's the end of that topic. Pfft. Okay.

CHAPTER 17 / 29 Discussion

Rome Easter Security, Green Zones, and French-Italian Border Dispute

Authorities in Rome established a "Green Zone" with heavy security, metal detectors, and vehicle bans to protect Easter pilgrims from potential terrorist attacks. Meanwhile, a diplomatic rift has emerged between France and Italy after French border police entered an Italian clinic to drug-test a Nigerian migrant. The incident is viewed by Italian politicians as a violation of national sovereignty.

rome· vatican· green zone· terrorism· france· italy· migrants

1:48:46 I got some timely stuff, timely stuff for Easter, for Easter in Rome. Sorry, that's the wrong one, you confused me. This is the one I wanted. Here it is. Rome is a city in lockdown. Hundreds of thousands of people, pilgrims and tourists alike have already descended to Rome and the area around the Vatican. Some are participating in religious events during Holy Week. Others are just enjoying the festivities and the start of the tourist season. This, of course, is a worry for authorities because Rome has been a target for terrorist organizations for a while, but the threat of

1:49:31 an attack has become all the more real after a series of recent anti-terror raids that led to the arrest of several people in the past few days. Of course, this means that the authorities had to put in place some seriously stepped up security measures. A green zone? That is an actual theater of war term.

1:50:09 The Green Zone. Yes. They're treating it as a theater of war. It's being created around the city center in Rome where heavy vehicles will be banned from. There will be also metal detectors. There will be x-ray machines that will screen pilgrims and tourists wanting to access sensitive sites like for instance the Colosseum. All extraordinary measures that the authorities will hope Will guarantee a peaceful Easter weekend. Yeah There's nothing like Easter weekend in the green zone It's so nice and that you know There's a rift between the Italians and the French when it comes to security of the border and immigration Italy's foreign ministry has summoned the French ambassador to explain why armed French border police entered a clinic that cares for migrants trying to cross the Alps

1:51:00 Five officers burst into the facility at Bardenetja and forced a Nigerian migrant to give them a sample of urine for a drug test. Many politicians see the incident as a violation of Italian territory. I'm disappointed because they cannot act this way, like bulls in a china shop. especially in a china shop that is not theirs. They can do their activities, they could do them in France, in other places and not in a facility dedicated to an extremely delicate work. As I already said, that must go on in peace." The French government says the officials had asked for permission to enter the centre and were allowed in. Migrants who have crossed the Mediterranean and arrived in Italy sometimes try to reach France by crossing the Italian Alps despite the snow, bad weather and terrain.

CHAPTER 18 / 29 Discussion

Russian Diplomatic Crisis, Sergei Skripal Poisoning, and RT Questions

The diplomatic standoff between Russia and the West intensifies as the U.S. consulate in St. Petersburg closes in retaliation for the expulsion of Russian diplomats. The hosts review a list of 14 questions from the Russian government regarding the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, UK. They question the lack of transparency regarding France's involvement in the investigation and the origin of the "Novichok" nerve agent.

russia· sergei skripal· novichok· st. petersburg· rt· chemical weapons

1:51:43 So they're encroaching on each other's turf now. So it sounds like. Yeah. We have a lot of encroaching going on with the, to close, they closed the embassy up, Russian embassy in Seattle. They've already closed a really cool one in San Francisco. And now I guess the Russians are fighting back. And I got a couple more, interesting clip, Russia brouhaha, more embassies closing. The diplomatic crisis between Russia and the West is worsening by the day. Today, the flag over the U.S. consulate in St. Petersburg was lowered and the building closed. It was done on orders from the Kremlin in retaliation for the expulsion of Russian diplomats from the U.S. and from other countries. Tensions escalated quickly after the nerve agent poisoning in England of a former Russian spy and his daughter. Charlie Dagoda brings us the latest from Moscow.

1:52:34 It's no coincidence that President Vladimir Putin's military chose this week to display the launch of its latest weapon, a well-timed show of force. A nuclear weapon dubbed Satan 2 by NATO, a ballistic missile designed to strike targets anywhere in the world undetected. Russia's biggest diplomatic target is already being dismantled. The US consulate in St. Petersburg, America's largest facility besides the embassy in Moscow. The Russians have been swinging the axe on other countries too. Senior envoys summoned and ordered to send diplomats home, adding to the expulsion of 60 American diplomats earlier this week.

1:53:16 And Moscow upped the ante with Britain now ordering more than 50 diplomats out. British Ambassador Laurie Bristow. It's important to bear in mind why this crisis has arisen in the first place. It's the use of a chemical weapon on the streets of the United Kingdom that has threatened the lives of a number of people in my country. Including Yulia Skripal, the daughter of double agent Sergei Skripal, whose assassination attempt using a suspected Russian nerve agent triggered the worst diplomatic crisis since the Cold War. As her condition has rapidly improved, the British government says they'll now consider a request for the Russians to see her. Whether she wants to see them is another matter.

1:54:01 Now before you play another clip we got to talk about this because there's a lot of things going on in this regard first of all the fact that the daughter is getting better is Curious to say the least yes and Russia today the state-sponsored propaganda media outlet personally run by Vladimir Putin he just just like Trump he sits there in his in his little bathrobe in the morning and tells him what to say. They came up with a, actually they sent to them the list from the Russian ambassador. Here is 14 things Russia would like to know regarding this incident. Number one, why has Russia been denied the right of consular access to the two Russian citizens who came to harm on British territory? In that clip, it appears that may have been turned around or rescinded, we don't know.

1:54:54 Two, what specific antidotes and in what form were the victims injected with? How did such antidotes come into the possession of British doctors at the scene of the incident? Now that's a good question. That's a great... That is... Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold on, hold on, hold on! Whoa! Okay, say it. That is an obvious question. Oh, you... horrible man. I was ready to give you echo and everything forget about okay. Well, I'll do it again. Okay, you give me echo guy I'd known about the echo because that my friend is a great Question okay. Yeah perfect nailed it not at all acted. I liked it

1:55:41 Okay, onward onward number three on what but I have question antidote There's an antidote like a vaccine where you have to have some of the original stuff in order to no no no no antidotes like a chemical that Just like a key late or something. It's it counteracts whatever's going on to counteraction agent on here This is where it gets interesting to me on what grounds was France involved in technical cooperation in the investigation of the incident in which rush in which Russian citizens were injured and Did the UK notify the Organisation for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons of France's involvement in the investigation of the Salisbury incident?

1:56:17 What does France have to do with the incident involving two Russian citizens in the UK? What rules of UK procedural legislation allow for the involvement of a foreign state in an internal investigation? What evidence was handed over to France to be studied and for the investigation to be conducted? Were the French experts present during the sampling of biomaterial from Sergei and Yulia Skripal? Was the study of biomaterials from Sergei and Yulia Skripal conducted by the French experts, and if so, in which specific laboratories? Does the UK have the materials involved in the investigation carried out by France? Have the result of the French investigation been presented to the OPCW Technical Secretariat? Well, we know they can't tell us because our guy there got a gag order.

1:57:01 Based on what attributes was the alleged Russian origin of the substance used in Salisbury established? Does the UK have control samples of the chemical warfare agent which British representatives refer to as Novichok? And finally, have the samples of a chemical warfare agent of the same type as Novichok in accordance to British terminology or its analogues ever been developed in the UK? Seems like a reasonable list of questions. Yeah, especially if someone's going to blame you for attempted murder. And what is France doing? How come none of this has been reported? Why do we have to go to Putin's mouthpiece at the RT shows to get this information, which is now that you hear that it makes nothing but sense. It seems very legit. Now, let me understand because we've seen something happening and I haven't really heard it questioned.

CHAPTER 19 / 29 Discussion

US Military Buildup, Satan 2 Missile, and FIFA World Cup

Retired General Jack Keane argues that the massive U.S. military budget increase for 2018-2019 is the primary factor pressuring Vladimir Putin, drawing parallels to the Reagan era. The hosts mock the NATO-assigned name "Satan 2" for Russia's new ballistic missile, calling it a marketing tactic. They also discuss the upcoming FIFA World Cup in Russia and the potential for political boycotts.

jack keane· vladimir putin· satan 2· nato· fifa· world cup

1:57:53 But it's my understanding that because of the Novichok attack, which France somehow is involved in, in the UK on two spies who are, you know, in an exchange program, that's why countries around the world are kicking their Russian diplomats out? Is that the reason? It seems to be a reason. Because yeah it is because of Teresa May comes in front of Parliament and goes yakking away about we're pretty sure I think it's a Russians and there's it's unbelievable that someone would use a chemical attack on our in Britain you know in London. Because in the reporting what you rarely hear

1:58:36 is because of this Seattle closed, you know, kicked out more Russians because of the... No, it's always in there, it's in the report, but it's not really saying that and I don't think... It's something... there's something else going on or some... Well, here's a retired General Jack Keane Here's his take on what's really going on, he says, but I don't know how it relates to the diplomats, but this is what he thinks. Pouin is really, this is the American... propaganda machine. The idea has got to be dawning on Mr. Putin by now that he's surely dealing with a different president in the United States than Mr. Trump, given, as mentioned in the introduction, all the things we have done to push back on Russia. I'm absolutely convinced of this, Lou. The thing that Putin has paid the most attention to, the single thing, is the buildup of the United States military and the FY18 and FY19 budget.

1:59:34 Putin is looking at that as deja vu. He remembers the Reagan military buildup would actually force the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. And he sees the real money being applied, real capabilities. For example, The commander of our forces in Europe, in testimony last week, is calling for increased US troops to be put on the Russian border as a deterrence force. And in the budget that we just approved and he signed, there's three times amount of money in that given the past investments. So it's six and a half billion dollars. That means more troops, more capabilities. That is something that truly gets Putin's attention. What do you think?

2:00:19 Well, I think that's probably right. Because that's the underlying theme here. Nobody talks about that, do they? I've got supersonic weapons and then we got, oh yeah, have you seen this F-35 land like a Harrier jet, bitch? Yeah, well the F-35 is a dog and I think the Russians know that. That's why I called it a bitch. What got me was in that first clip of the two that I have. They, you know, Russia's announced some new weaponry that's stealth ICBMs for all practical purposes. Yeah. Suppose it. And it says it's called the Satan 2. What was the one?

2:00:57 Well, yeah, but besides that it's like Satan too, but is that the Russian name? No, it says it was called the Satan too by NATO. NATO has named it. The Satan. Hey, let's come up, listen, we're all marketers here. Let's come up with something that'll really put the fear of bejesus into the people. I know we'll call it Satan. Yeah, we already did that Bob. Let's call it Satan too. Exactly. Exactly what happened. We already did that. We can call it Satan 2. Great meeting everybody. But we're calling it whatever we feel like calling it. It's got nothing to do with what they call it. Why are we giving everything our name? The names that we've dreamed up for marketing purposes. That's such a good point. I'm glad you brought that up. What do they call it? Do we know what Russia calls it? No, some Russian name I'm sure of some sort named after some guy. I don't know. We should find out. They're not telling us. They're telling us it's called the Satan 2.

2:01:52 You know Russia's not calling it the Satan 2. Nobody would do that. I knew Mr. Satan 2. I mean, come on! Oh my god, you nailed it Mr. Dvorak. Oh, my cheeks hurt from that. So let's listen to the second half of that clip that... is only short. And yet a further escalation, the Russians are now demanding to know why British authorities searched a Russian passenger plane that landed in London, calling it a blatant provocation and threatening to search British passenger planes landing here. Errol?

2:02:29 And ask them for it. I don't know what they're looking for. Their social media accounts. I don't know what they're looking for. You know, I'm of the opinion that the daughters don't want to try to kill the old man. Ooh, I like this theory. I like it. Huh. I mean, she's a Russian citizen. She's not like an expat. Hmm. Well, that's maybe the guys a jerk. I mean, I have no idea. Well the put out that now the problem is the Nova Chuck the problem is the the proximity to the chemical laboratory port and down the problem is the yes the actual exercise that they did in that area just a couple days before you know a chemical weapons exercise I mean, there's a lot of problems

2:03:16 with this and then the immediate entire UN all nations kicking their Russians out. I mean we still you know there's also a problem with FIFA. I mean the World Cup is in Russia this year. Yeah this has something to do with it although it's there's a lot of money in FIFA. There's a lot of money in FIFA. And there's a lot of money in broadcast rights. The Russians put on a show second to only China when it comes to putting on, you know, showing off their place that there's the stadiums and putting on a good show. They do a good job. Sochi was fantastic. China just tops everybody because they're just I don't know where they get all the money, but they do. What is the what is the alternate city? The FIFA thing is underway. I mean, it's not you can't they could stop it. They won't. Isn't there? Contracts have been signed.

2:04:16 They're just gonna try to keep the... I don't know what they're... The whole thing, it just makes very little sense. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to make of that. But FIFA, the FIFA thing and the World Cup in, is it going to be in Moscow? Yeah, I think it's Moscow. Yeah, that's, you know, you can't ignore it. It's just there's got to be something. It's got to be somehow it's being used or abused. Something is happening. Especially since we didn't even qualify, so we don't care. The American team didn't qualify for the World Cup. What happened? Oh, really? We had our is our Tourette's goalkeeper still? I don't know who's what, but all I know is we didn't qualify and they get fired. The coach in this big stink. Sorry about that. So yeah, screw Russia. I think NPR might be trying to bring down the whole podcast industry. Good luck NPR. They they are building an open source

CHAPTER 20 / 29 Discussion

NPR Podcast Tracking, Open Source APIs, and Monetization

NPR is developing an open-source platform and API to track podcast listening metrics more accurately for advertisers. Adam Curry criticizes the move, arguing that "if you can measure it, you can sell it" is anathema to the public broadcasting mission. He reiterates his stance that the network itself cannot be effectively monetized without compromising the medium.

npr· podcasting· analytics· monetization· lee masters· apple

2:05:23 Platform. Oh NPR this is this is what they're doing with your money's an NPR a broadcaster net broadcast over the normal radio waves and are subject to FCC Yes, so they also have a big podcast presence huge the largest. Oh, they know it's eating into this like it's Cannibalizing their real product. Well. Here's what they want to do. Oh And I don't I don't think I think Lee Masters, you know, y'all alone who's the CEO over there, you know him You know, I didn't hear from him for a long time after we did that speech together in New York at the radio thing Yeah, he had open-heart surgery. Oh poor guy. Yeah, but he's a busy young guys in his 60s young guy young guy NPR

2:06:10 It wants to create a platform with APIs, etc. and I guess some protocols and formats. It's quite an undertaking that any podcast app can implement into their code in order to track actual listening of podcasts. So they can get some... Well, that would be some unique code. So they can get some real metrics. Yes, that would be worthwhile and they do have advertised. Well, hold on a second. Isn't this somewhat ironic? Go ahead. Well, your NPR you're publicly supported you got to you know institutions that

2:06:52 Kind of throw money at you and it's like you don't have advertisers and you don't want advertisers and you you pretend that you don't Need advertisers and you do all the sort of thing. But meanwhile you bring a product that that's just really to service advertisers like Zero sense to me NPR sells their mentions their sponsorships their underwriting whatever you want to call it through the same organizations that sell Pepsi ads and in fact Someone over there at NPR had a great quote, if you can measure it, you can sell it! That I think it was... Isn't the word sell, quote-unquote sell, kind of an anathema to what this public medium is supposed to be all about? Yeah, yeah, but they're doing... Well, I can predict what's gonna happen because they already say, yeah, yeah, we hope Apple will get on board. Well, listen you dipshits. Lee, I'm talking to you, Lee. Because, you know, I can talk to you like this.

2:07:50 We both don't have advertisers, although you seem to sell something over there. This is your future. Give it up, stop building, go to Apple, tell Tom Collins over there and Eddie Q, then maybe talk to the nut job from Beats, what's his name? Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Iovine. You say, we want your technology to be open so everybody can put it into their apps. And it will happen. And once that happens, advertisers are gonna go, what? Because I don't think the numbers are quite as big as everyone touts them to be. We know that. We know it for sure, even though we don't really know for sure because we have no clue how many people listen. We use other metrics to make an estimation. Yes, we reverse engineer our donation segments. Yeah. But anyway, in NPR, they'll be able to make money. They'll make digital dimes to dollars. It's the same thing.

2:08:47 Everyone's you just let him you can't monetize the network, which is My credo. This is where yes, this is your credo. This is your you're gonna. That's gonna be on your gravestone You can't make sure it gets put on there I'm curry date to date cannot my you cannot monetize the network right there boom boom I'm gonna show my salute by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on No Agenda. In the morning. And in fact, as opposed to monetizing the network or monetizing the show, Sir Herb Lamb is helping us. He's the Viscount of Georgia. $120.12. He also says a happy birthday to me.

CHAPTER 21 / 29 Discussion

Associate Executive Producers, Nautical Mile Donation, and Audio Quality

The hosts continue thanking donors, including a "nautical mile" donation of $60.76 from Peerless Steel. They address listener feedback regarding the audio quality of the previous episode, explaining that a technical failure forced them to use a backup microcassette recording. The segment includes personal stories from donors and the granting of "universal karma" for a listener's late father.

donations· peerless steel· audio engineering· microcassette· karma

2:09:39 and he considers this a small boob donation somehow. Sir Hamus in Mooresville, North Carolina He came in with $100. Wesley Walker in Pacifica, California, actually Wesley K. Walker, $100. James Zuckel, $100. Lon Baker, $100. We need some moving camera. Put some at the end for James. I'm sorry. Troll Room just posted, you got it all wrong. Adam Curry, 1964, 2075. He could not monetize the network, RIP.

2:10:21 I think that's funnier. Yes, that would be funnier. Troll Room wins in terms of the joke showdown. Although we've moved on. I couldn't help myself. John Turata, yeah, you know, you, yeah. John Turata, 69, 69. Keep on keeping on, he says. Eric Ross in Corona, California, $66. And by the way, mentions a smoking hot girlfriend, Joanna Ortiz. This is a donation on her behalf as a birthday gift. Ooh, whoa. She's not in the notes. I'm glad you read that.

2:11:00 Well, she is in the notes. Yeah, she's not on the birthday list. I mean, oh, I didn't even think that myself until you just mentioned it. Yes, put her in the birthday list. Colin Ayers in Troy, Michigan. And I do have a note. I will read this because it came in and there's a handwritten note from Peerless Steel. It's a drunk donation, $60.76. It doesn't sound that drunk. I'm a $5 a month subscriber, but I think it's time to give you gents a raise. The analysis with entertainment value you provide is worth more than I can currently afford. Hopefully some no agenda karma can change that. Please accept this nautical mile donation. I love that. 676, 6076 feet is a nautical mile or one minute of arc length along the earth's meridian.

2:11:52 Nice. What's the number again? 6076. Nice. We gotta put that on the- we gotta make some of these- these guys come up with the damnedest things. Now, just as a PS and probably the reason to read the note to make you feel better. Okay. PS, the audio quality of your show is second to none. Thank you. Except for the- except for Thursday's show where we had to pull it from the backup microcassette. You know the funny thing about Thursday show I had somebody send me a tweet saying, what micro you using on this Thursday show? You sounded great. No he never said that. He just wanted to know if I changed it. Yeah. He never said it sounded great. So what happened is because of a number of things I messed up. I changed the routing and I

2:12:43 Did we have to reboot or something? I got interrupted in my flow. I didn't set up the digital recorder right. I saw it recording, but then when I listened to the show, it was pretty much MSNBC, which had been recording off of the TV receiver. So that was useless. And then taking it off the microcassette, it had some different quality to it. We couldn't both put our fingers on it, but we knew it was different. And had like a very light hiss in the background. It was really, really stupid. I don't know why. Anyway, so I got a new solution. It lost a lot of the oomph that you put into the show. Dynamics, yeah. With your dialed bit twiddling. Yes. Bit twiddling. Yes, and so that's the reason the show sounded different on Thursday. Okay. Well, anyway, thank you. I appreciate that.

2:13:35 Michael Mizio, let me, Mizio, like, Mizio, Mizio, like, Mizio, like, Mizio, like, I think that sounds right. 5333. He says, Happy Easter. The Holy Trinity is often represented in numerology as 333. 33 may be God's way of reaching out to you. Okay, so when you see that in your receipt, which I put one in the newsletter Yes, I think about donating Eric Hockel in Deutschland in

2:14:13 Well this is interesting now he I think he used to be in Munich or some place. No you know what we always said Munich and maybe he maybe that is interesting maybe he changed it to just something else just so it would mess up the spreadsheet. Mule Rose. I don't know where. Mule Rose. But he, but his, so Hockel came through fine. Oh, he took the umlaut off or that little whatever he had. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Umlaut. That's what it is. Yeah. Robert Cohen, and that by the way is $52, we thank him. Now, Robert, he might say sir, he says long since sir, I never write to him. Sir Eric Hockel, yeah, I think you're right. Must be right. Yeah, he's been giving us donations for months. Years. Years.

2:14:52 for months, every month for years. Robert Cohen, 5092. The following people then are $50 donators. Name and location, Dennis Brown in Rhinelander, Wisconsin. Jay Wozniak in Chandler, Arizona. Tyler Schimpf in Bothell, Washington. Whoops, we're done. That's it. Wow. Very short. It's actually very short donors. Now we did have to offer that 4118, which you don't read the names of. And we did get, uh, we did actually even that didn't. I mean, this is Easter. Have a special Easter donation of 4118. We got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. So that was pretty piss poor. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think it was. Yeah. Work on your skills.

2:15:44 Yes, I have to work on my skills. Yeah, well we all work on our skills. We all try to improve all that it wasn't it wasn't a put-down. Yeah, it was. No, it was, no it wasn't a put-down. Yeah. No, work on your skills like we can always do better. You know like I can always do better. You can always, we always, okay you're not buying it are you? No. No, okay. But I'll take the blame. Sir Vince Knight of the Southern Silicon Valley sent in a note. He says, Dear Adam and John, I'm writing to ask if it's possible to get some karma from my father who passed away on Tuesday. I tried to get him to listen to the show, but he was a little too entrenched in the mainstream media. I would introduce some topics to him and he was receptive though. He was a brilliant and generous man and we miss him very much. He wasn't a religious man, but some universal karma would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Of course.

CHAPTER 22 / 29 Discussion

Jupiter Broadcasting, Unfiltered Podcast, and No Agenda Clones

The hosts "douchebag" Chris Fisher and the Jupiter Broadcasting network for their podcast "Unfiltered," which they describe as a clone of No Agenda. They play a clip from 2012 where the Unfiltered hosts admit to being inspired by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. The discussion touches on the use of Patreon and the challenges of maintaining a "value-for-value" model.

chris fisher· jupiter broadcasting· unfiltered· patreon· podcasting

2:16:35 You've got karma All right, sorry to hear that servants Let me see what we don't have we have no nightings No title changes that kind of goes hand in hand with the with a donation list for today Easter Easter yes, you're right. I will hand out the jobs karma jobs jobs jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs You've got Karma. All right, well I do have a couple a comment from the last show that I want to carry over when we douchebagged Chris Fischer Okay, who is it runs the Jupiter Network of Linux? Podcasts and they do up they do a podcast that people have people listen to it's called unfiltered and it's a clone of our show yeah, so they were called out for for this so I decided to some research and

2:18:03 So I found it, so I probably have to deduce, we should probably deduce Chris, Chris, Chris, deduce Chris and his buddy Chase. Just give them a quick deduction so I can get it done with them. You've been deduced. Because apparently when they started this, this, this thing, they started in 2012 after we'd done hundreds of shows. They did credit us at the beginning for actually origin. I end up clipping the origin story from one of their early episodes, if not episode, it's not the introductory episode, but I think it's episode one. And let's play this and then I can discuss this operation a little bit. I gotta tell this story, you know,

2:18:48 So I discovered Chris and Jupiter Broadcasting in the most unusual way. So part of my job, I commute a lot, depending on where I'm going that day, I may be driving two to three hours. And so I'll be driving and I listen to a great show that Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak does and it's called No Agenda. That would really be a great companion show to this show. Yeah, absolutely. Noagendashow.com. Check them out. They do an awesome job twice a week. So I was listening to the show and they have a segment where people are able to donate and throw money in and help them out. And when you donate money to the show, if you donate at least $50 or more, you can actually write a few notes and they'll read it on the air. So I'm listening to that during that segment and they always have fun with it.

2:19:38 And they said, I think it was Dvorak, so we got Chris Fisher here, Marysville, Washington, Jupiter Broadcasting. And first off, the first thing that caught me was Marysville, Washington. I was like, what? That's where I live. And then secondly, I was like, wait, wait, he's in my backyard? No way. I mean, literally he was in my backyard. Eating your steak. Eating my steak, which is really good, by the way. If you follow me on Google+, you saw the picture. Anyway, let me get back to this. So, you know, I contacted Chris and I said, you know, hey, if there's anything I could do to get involved in what you do, let me know. And, you know, so we, you know, we met up, we had some Italian, we had a romantic dinner, candlelight. It was great. We did. Yeah. And for the candlelight, no candlelight. Yeah. But, you know, I got involved and, you know, obviously, you know, through our passion of no agenda,

2:20:28 And we have similar interests as far as what we listen to. Not only that we're big in the tech, But we're also big into just getting the news out there from a different perspective. I'm not an expert, okay? I'm no expert, but I can definitely inject my opinion and I think it's important for us to share. You start to get an instinct for it, too. You start to follow these stories. You start to see it. That's the remarkable thing. I think the media is... I think the 24-7 media attainment, all that is one of the worst things to happen to civilization. Wrong again, Dvorak. So these two guys, I think, first of all, I think they're both overboard. And I think it's been because they would have some one of the two of them would have I know and Chris follows me on Twitter. And one of the two of them would have said something about being called out.

2:21:27 But I don't think they listen to the show anymore. This is like this is like your own personal I don't really care that much you see no I know but I'm interested because we have we we're gonna have spin-offs for people using our theories about how to cover We have that it's called it's called the Nick the rat show we have a spin-off. Well besides Nick I'm hoping to get anyway these guys I think that they're I don't think they're doing as well as they should and personally. Do they do ads? They do it with the right idea and if you look at their material, it's different enough from ours. They just don't listen to No Agenda and then do a No Agenda. No, no, no, no. It's the little things. It's the bell ringing. It's the Red Bull. They also have a Club 33 and a Red Bull. Yeah, that's like, eh, come on. I mean, okay, do they take ads? Donations? No. Nothing? No, here's the problem.

2:22:21 They're not hearing this anyway. They use Patreon. It doesn't work for them. Oh, jeez. Yeah. Duh. Well, we can help them out then. Probably. John at Dvorak.org. Eh, we'll see. It's a war of one, John. It's no war. I think they do a good job and I like, I think they're overproducing. Here's another thing. I hate to get into this, but at least they claim early in their early shows that they do the show live, kind of live to tape, but not completely on Thursdays, like us only night at night. They post the show on Monday.

CHAPTER 23 / 29 Discussion

Podcast Production Workflow, Live-to-Tape, and Amazon Transcribe

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak describe their "live-to-tape" production philosophy, emphasizing speed and minimal post-production compared to other shows. They discuss the upcoming launch of Amazon Transcribe on AWS, which will allow for automated, time-stamped transcriptions of audio files. The hosts speculate on how this technology could improve show notes and searchability while also raising privacy concerns regarding Amazon's advertising patents.

podcasting· production· live-to-tape· amazon transcribe· aws· speech recognition

2:23:06 Now I want to mention that people will think about doing podcasts. So they're doing a lot of post-production. That is my guess. And I have the same issue with Bryony, who she's got a little quicker turnaround. Congressional Dish. Congressional Dish, an excellent show. Adam turns this show around, let's go over the production, the way this works. We do the show live to tape. Adam, who is a really a production savant, fantastic guy doing this stuff, but he doesn't like it. Even when it was at Meteo, he tried to get them to do this, he never would. Nobody's doing this. But he likes the idea of doing it, it's kind of crusty the clown theory.

2:23:48 Do it, you're done, get out. That's me, I'm the crusty, the crusty the clown of audio. You are. And so we do the show, it's all, unless there's a fix that's needed, which we usually don't have, very rarely, Adam ends the show, closes the file, pulls out a clip from the middle, drops it at the beginning, that's the only post-production that's done, just for, it's a gimmick, and then he, we pick the art, which takes us... You know, I was thinking, one of these days, I'd like to go through the entire list. I don't have a checklist. I do not have it. It's so much that is done. And this should include bitching about people, you know, that we have a checklist of stuff that we can, we repeat it every time, almost exactly the same. Sometimes I'm laughing and then I skip a step. We need a checklist and I want it. I want to record it if we ever put on the show. I don't know, but if we record it, you'd be astounded at how much work goes into post-production in a very short amount of time.

2:24:45 but it's a short amount of time, which is the key. And so we pick the art, we argue about the title, if we can have one, sometimes one of us comes over, that we'd get that done. That's about a five to 10 minute process max. Adam does the RSS stuff, which is another little pain in the ass, but he cranks through it really quickly, sends the show to be rendered, it's done and posted about 20 minutes after the show's done. And it's out, it's not days later. Even when Horowitz, who learned his skills he has, because I used to do that DHM plug show, but Horowitz picked it up. Horowitz is actually taking it, extremely it even more because he's got to go to bed. And so what he's done, he pre-selects the title.

2:25:34 pre-selects the art and pre-produces the website. Really? Yeah. And so then he runs the track, the opening and closing tracks in real time. We jump into the show, run the closing track, he hangs up on me. The show is then rendered and out within 10 minutes. Hey, does he pre-produce the title you said? Yeah. So you know because you know that's one of our checklist items is okay title and then it is like I say something you got me and now you'll say something like that no yeah kind of close yeah hmm maybe keep it on the list I mean we had a hard time on the last show I think was it the last show? It was, we've had harder. Yeah that's what she said. And so that she would always so

2:26:25 Yes, he pre-pre what he was Horowitz writes a script. That's another thing He does he does all this stuff in advance of the show yeah And so he has a title that he uses whether you like it or not And it was just fine because but this show is out faster than anything I mean it's faster than you know it's only an hour to it that takes less time to render So it's out almost because he wants to go to bed and so he cranks this whole it's all a necessity funny, but People out there doing these podcasts, many of them just really spend too much time fine-tuning them and getting them just right. It's just beyond me why you can't adopt a live-to-tape, get all your ducks in a row. Podcasts are the same week after week, show after show. Just get it done and then post it. And Adam is, I will,

2:27:18 He knows, I know, how good he is at this. But consider this show is complicated compared to DH Unplugged. There's none of the extra stuff in DH Unplugged, so it's easier to post. But anyway, so I just... Just throw that out there for anyone who's thinking about doing this sort of thing in the future. Well along those lines to say means you Lee Masters. That's right Yeah, I'll tell you how to do it I mean why ask me for any advice on any of this you don't think I would have invented the wheel or something Something cool is I just signed up for it Amazon transcribe

2:27:57 is now coming to AWS, which means you will be able to... listen to this... you drop an mp3 file into an s3 bucket, you issue a one line of code command, and out spits a time-stamped speech recognition text file. Sounds good. Well, what's interesting about it, because you know I think their speech recognition is probably very good considering the head start they have really on everybody with their Echo device, but now we found that, maybe it was the New York Times who found this, that Amazon has a patent for picking up pieces of conversation and then sending that into an advertisement.

2:28:40 advertising feed or you know personalized ad for that person and they use vacation conversation as an example in their patent filing. So this will be very interesting to see how good they vary they are I mean I've signed up for it I don't know if I've been accepted into the program yet we should have all of our dudes named Ben get in on that program. Yes please dudes named Ben. Because it will also make, it will make show notes dynamite. You imagine that? It should be great because then you can do a global search. Yes, you can search on topics exactly. It'll be so cool. I really look forward to that. All right, after all of this talk we got to have something different. Hold on, I got to take us out. Yes, Chris Matthews, you'd think, oh, grown, but no. What a great guest he had on. According to credible news reports, Stormy has a dress. I'll just let that hang out there. She's got a dress.

CHAPTER 24 / 29 Discussion

Stormy Daniels, Ryan Seacrest Allegations, and Gender Neutrality at Mount Holyoke

The hosts briefly cover several tabloid and cultural news items, including rumors of a "Monica Lewinsky-style" dress in the Stormy Daniels case and sexual harassment allegations against Ryan Seacrest. They also discuss a directive at Mount Holyoke Women's College instructing professors not to refer to students as "women" to avoid "misgendering."

stormy daniels· ryan seacrest· mount holyoke· gender neutrality· misgendering

2:27:57 is now coming to AWS, which means you will be able to... listen to this... you drop an mp3 file into an s3 bucket, you issue a one line of code command, and out spits a time-stamped speech recognition text file. Sounds good. Well, what's interesting about it, because you know I think their speech recognition is probably very good considering the head start they have really on everybody with their Echo device, but now we found that, maybe it was the New York Times who found this, that Amazon has a patent for picking up pieces of conversation and then sending that into an advertisement.

2:28:40 advertising feed or you know personalized ad for that person and they use vacation conversation as an example in their patent filing. So this will be very interesting to see how good they vary they are I mean I've signed up for it I don't know if I've been accepted into the program yet we should have all of our dudes named Ben get in on that program. Yes please dudes named Ben. Because it will also make, it will make show notes dynamite. You imagine that? It should be great because then you can do a global search. Yes, you can search on topics exactly. It'll be so cool. I really look forward to that. All right, after all of this talk we got to have something different. Hold on, I got to take us out. Yes, Chris Matthews, you'd think, oh, grown, but no. What a great guest he had on. According to credible news reports, Stormy has a dress. I'll just let that hang out there. She's got a dress.

2:29:32 Monica Lewinsky dress. I can't top that. Yesterday on Sunday, Mark Zuckerberg takes out a dress with sperm. I love it. I doubt it. I love this. And this is perfect. I mean, just throwing something like that into the beast is good enough for me. That's just this is a part of the whole thing. The Democrats have been Yes. About the Clinton impeachment ever since it happened. And so they're modeling trying to get Trump rousted. I mean, Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath. He committed perjury, which is a crime. Yes. And it's also not nice.

2:30:25 So we ended up with this now. We're just trying to do parallels here because it just kind of jogs the memories Oh, yeah Well, well if Clinton was impeached because of that and Trump should be impeached Kind of logic to try to create this kind of dead-end logic, but okay Yeah Yeah, bring on Maxine waters and let hers Talk about the dress Ryan Seacrest accuser says I'm not going to be silenced. She's filed a police report and This is the woman who's desperately trying to prove that Ryan Seacrest is not gay. And we're having a hard time buying it, honestly. We're having a hard time buying this. That's the problem with the Ryan Seacrest story. You know people over there at E!, right? What do your people say? What do your people say? He's gay. Yeah, exactly. Ren and Stimpy creator accused of preying on underage girls who wanted animation careers.

2:31:25 Yeah, that's a good one. Oh, they get your animation right here Animate this Mount Holyoke Women's College orders professors not to call students women. Yeah, I saw this story, too What do you make of that? I was why? The story never really explains why you have to use years or they or whatever? No sense It's because some students may identify as non-genders or different genders. So what I would do is if someone said, hey, all you women stand up, all you women raise your hand, I just wouldn't raise my hand. And they said, why didn't you raise your hand? Well, I'm not a woman. Why do we have to have a law now all of a sudden? It's misgendering. That's what it is. Yeah, misgendering. Misgendering. Which is a crime in Canada. Yes. So that's the issue then, I guess. Where is this college?

CHAPTER 25 / 29 Discussion

Oakland Mac and Cheese Harassment, Cambridge Analytica, and Blind Gay Guys

A restaurant in Oakland has implemented a color-coded system to help staff report customer harassment. The conversation shifts to Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie and his claims about the company's culture. A listener email provides a humorous rebuttal to Wylie's comments about gay men and strip clubs, asserting that "even blind gay guys love boobs."

oakland· mac and cheese· harassment· cambridge analytica· christopher wylie

2:32:29 Oh, it's a famous school. I think it's back east. Okay. Well, here's this little offbeat story while you're at it. I was just gonna finish with one more hashtag. Oh, you can finish with a million. Yeah, well, no. Oakland restaurant devises system to combat customers harassment of workers. And I think it's called... This is a local story and I've never heard this. Yeah, but see which restaurant this is. This is the Mac and Cheese restaurant in Oakland. How come you don't know about this? What's up with you about the mac and cheese restaurant? I would probably reject any stories about it. Oh, okay Yeah, well, so you probably had a subconscious rejection of it. They have the max system Max which of course ha ha mac and cheese max man. Yeah, it's funny management alert color system and the way it works is and I think there is probably a

2:33:24 there's probably an issue here that could be addressed but... The lawsuit. Well, the problem is people are harassing, I presume only female servers and so now they have a color system where you can say, okay I've got a yellow here and that the manager should then keep an eye on what's going on at the table. Orange, if you say I've got an orange here Maybe one orange requires the manager to automatically take over the table and the red means the customer has to leave. And there's several examples in this San Francisco Chronicle article. It's pretty, you know, like touching and groping and, you know, nasty shit like that. Slapping on the ass. But also, you know, there's also guys who are like, hey, you know, I mean, every movie we've seen this, it's so hard. Hey, you know, what do you do? What time do you get off work? You know, guys try to pick up waitresses.

2:34:21 Must be stopped This is like as American as apple pie. That's what you do stop We cannot have men trying to pick up women ever shouldn't even be talking to him I would like to know from some of our female producers out there and male producers. Hello male producers Oh, it's the same thing like the Harvey Weinstein thing if you're a good-looking guy. Oh You know, you got the right car, yeah, that's okay for you to do it. But any other creep? No. No. Absolutely not. Well, speaking of such, you remember whistleblower Wiley?

2:34:58 Yeah, the dude with the pink hair and and the nose-piercing character. Yes. Yes. Yeah the bridge now What was what was one of the things that I took some exception to was that he was saying these guys this Cambridge Analytica Please m5m get it right Analytics analytical no analytica. How hard is it to remember just one name? Geez? I don't know Bill Tom Collins Right No, he was saying, I'm the only gay guy in all of London who has a card, you know, an entrance card to the strip joint.

2:35:35 Oh yeah, he's a big shot gay because he goes into strip clubs. Yeah, because that's the way these evil guys do business. No gay would ever do that. Well, we got a fantastic note from producer Scott. Greetings Adam and John! As a gay guy and a no agenda producer, I used to go to a strip club up Route 10 from County College of Morris. I can't say I know. At Morris, New Jersey for lunch with a friend a few times a week. They had excellent cheeseburgers. I'd always have my folding cane on the bar in front of me which led to a lot of lovely conversations with the ladies plus some lovely supple boob handling. Yes, even blind gay guys love boobs! Thank you. Thank you for some sanity. You know, because neither you or I have any standing but then, you know, to add the gookie-eyed problem to it just makes it that much better. Yeah, well, yeah, it's very, very good. And the funny thing is?

CHAPTER 26 / 29 Discussion

Marketing Abbreviations, New Orleans Saints Cheerleaders, and Gender Discrimination

The hosts track the rise of "abbrevies" in marketing, such as "Derm Reco" (Dermatologist Recommended) on Head & Shoulders bottles. They also discuss a civil rights complaint filed by a former New Orleans Saints cheerleader alleging gender discrimination. The complaint claims the team enforces strict social media and fraternization rules for female cheerleaders that do not apply to male players.

derm reco· abbreviations· new orleans saints· cheerleaders· discrimination

2:36:34 You've been to that club. Well, yeah, I've been to the club, but he I can't long time we're talking 27 years ago or something. Yeah, be good. But he said even blind gay guys love books. I know he meant boobs, but he misspelled the lie. Everything was so perfect. Because I'm sure he's dictating or something and his dictation went, Oh, can't be boobs books. That's funny. Well, you re-edited it. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I know I meant books I went for the cheap laugh first as always. Of course. That's what you do. Abbrevies which we've been tracking These are abbreviations may or may not have found their genesis in text messaging and whatsapping and emoji land Early days of texting early days the phones for sure. Yeah, but it's not just become speech. I

2:37:25 And one of our producers, oh shoot who sent this to me? I feel bad now because I wanted to give him a shout out. Maybe this is it here. No. Sent me a screen, a picture of Head & Shoulders, the Head & Shoulders bottle. This is the dandruff shampoo plus conditioner. It is an advanced two-in-one green apple with a lasting fresh scent. So it's the real deal. It has a little I don't know what the technical term for this is like an insert like it's a sticker on it But it's not really a sticker. It's it's in the on the on the bottle itself And it's red and looks like something important kind of like what you did on your books instant bestseller Right, you know I'm talking about yeah classic so it says number one hashtag one number one Derm Rico

2:38:19 As in dermatologist recommended? Yes, I figured that out. Derm Reco. They're putting that now in there and this is advertising, it's on the bottle. This is their branding, I would say. Derm Reco. Huh. I mean you could use these certain stupid words to mislead people. For sure. Like, maybe there's not one dermatologist in the world that would recommend this, but you put Derm Reco. No, no, what that means is, and you got something else. Yeah, we just said Derm Reco. We didn't say dermatologist recommended. Yeah. I see how veggie got started. You know what that is? That's sus. Yes, I got a note from Karen. Another millennial abreave to add to your list. Sus, is in suspect or suspicious. Gardasil for boys? Hella sus.

2:39:14 Uh-huh. We're learning. How does that would change from sus as in the sus out? Oh, I don't know. Sus out? What's sus out? I don't know. It's a term you hear used, I think. What about sususudio? I mean, it's sus. Sus. You could look it up on the urban dictionary and figure it out. Sus. It is very sus. Hmm. Well, I have a class clip. Okay. And I think it's important. When is the New Orleans cheerleaders are finally stand or at least as one is standing up for her rights and they saw the photo and said that

2:39:54 The team accused her of breaking rules that prohibit cheerleaders from appearing nude, semi-nude or in lingerie. Now in a civil rights complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Davis argues the Saints have two sets of rules. One for its female cheerleaders and another for its male players. professional athletes who have worked hard and who do our job well. Bailey also says the team fired her because of rumors she attended a party with players which she denies. According to the complaint, the Saints require cheerleaders to block players on social media and are not allowed to eat in the same restaurant.

2:40:32 And this is gender discrimination within their own organization. The team says the New Orleans Saints do not tolerate discrimination of any kind and it specifically denies that Miss Davis was treated any differently on account of her sex. It's not fair. I worked just as hard growing up to be a dancer as a football player did. Davis says she's not trying to get her job back. She just wants equal treatment both on and off the field. Gabe Gutierrez, NBC News. I found this to be annoying. Okay. The girls can't have to block everybody. They can't be seen in the same restaurant. Meanwhile, these guys can go to a strip club and see lower paid or higher paid, probably higher paid dancers spinning around a pole. I just thought this was, I just was irked. Okay.

CHAPTER 27 / 29 Discussion

Omar Mateen Trial, Disney Springs Target, and the Pulse Nightclub Shooting

New testimony in the trial of Omar Mateen's widow reveals that the Pulse nightclub shooter originally intended to attack Disney Springs using a gun hidden in a baby stroller. He reportedly diverted to the nightclub after being deterred by a heavy police presence at the Disney complex. The hosts recall the strange timing of a fatal alligator attack at a Disney resort that occurred around the same time as the 2016 shooting.

omar mateen· pulse nightclub· disney springs· orlando· alligator attack

2:41:24 I think I had one thing here, oh actually two things. Yeah, this is, as this court case came to an end with the wife of Omar Mateen who shot up the Pulse nightclub, we think, we don't know anymore, kind of could be, it's all been very confusing. We learn more every single day and I remember very specifically that there was an event that took place in Orlando almost simultaneously Then I can't remember exactly what we were coming up with but I knew that it was somehow it was related to this Pulse Club thing and because the cops responded really quickly. I can't remember what it is maybe you can but first here's what we learned about the shooter. A shocking statement during closing arguments in the trial the Pulse nightclub shooters widow prosecutors say the shooter Omar Mateen originally wanted to attack

2:42:19 Disney. He was planning to hide his gun in a stroller and make his way toward the shopping and entertainment complex outside of Disney World, but police scared him off. Hey Carol, yeah this was of course something that shocks and worries a lot of people. We all are very familiar with Disney, Disney World and the whole Disney lifestyle. That's why so many people come down to Florida, that's why they go to California. And so Omar Mateen, he is the man that carried out the deadly Pulse nightclub shooting, it was revealed through testimony in the trial that his primary target was meant to be Disney Springs. Now, just to make absolutely crystal clear here, Disney Springs is that shopping, dining kind of entertainment complex. It's not inside the theme park, it's outside, but it's still part of the Disney experience and many people know it. That was his intended target. That's where he went the night of the attack in June of 2016. As you say, with that fake baby and a baby stroller, he was really trying to play it up.

2:43:13 But then there was the heavy police presence that he noted there, and that was enough to scare him off, and is too often the case in terrorist attacks. It pushes someone from a hardened target to a softer target. In this case, he quickly shifted gears and went to the Pulse nightclub. Now, here's just a small example of the report of the incident that happened around the Pulse Club night shooting right outside of Disney. Breaking news overnight starting with that shock we woke up to. And it certainly is a shocking, horrible story. A massive search underway right now for a two-year-old boy grabbed by an alligator. His father desperately trying to rescue him. And of course that happened in one of the most popular resorts in America was at Disney World's Grand Fluttery and you see it right there.

2:44:00 So, there's all kinds of problems. I can't for the life of me remember what was the issue with that alligator, which was a very weird story. There was some weirdness about it. And then, I mean, but now we have to question, is Disney gay? I mean, wasn't Omar Mateen in the nightclub because he just wanted to kill gay people? We've got to take all that back. We need the march back. We need everything back. Well, these stories always evolve this way. They did that this Las Vegas thing is completely out of control. We don't know idea and Yeah, he was gay and he or he hated gays, but he was gay, but he was married So maybe he wasn't gay, but he hated gay somehow. Yeah, and he was gonna kill all these gays and Disney

CHAPTER 28 / 29 Discussion

EU Portability Regulation, Hollywood Streaming Rights, and Susan Rice

A new EU regulation allows citizens to access their digital subscriptions, such as Netflix and Amazon Prime, while traveling across European borders. The hosts discuss Hollywood's resistance to a "digital single market" due to regional marketing and release strategies. They also note Netflix's appointment of former National Security Advisor Susan Rice to its board of directors, viewing it as a move toward globalist policy alignment.

european union· netflix· streaming· copyright· susan rice· globalism

2:44:47 Just the shopping center is the least of the gay parts of Disney, I'm sure. And these are negative stories for Disney and both, I think both the ones you played, I know the Stephanopoulos one for sure came from ABC, which is owned by Disney. Boom. So what is that about? Something's screwy here. I don't know, it's just screwy. I don't know, maybe they're just trying to confuse us. Well, that's working. Oh yeah. And I have a net neutrality clip, kind of, from Europe. Oh, everyone's so happy! This is very interesting what's happening to the entertainment business with the, I will say the American entertainment business with the EU. This is not to be discounted as a problem. Going on holiday but don't want to miss out on watching your favorite show? Well from April 1st you can stream without borders within the EU. It's all thanks to the portability regulation meaning content providers like Netflix or Amazon Prime have to allow access to shows from their local subscription.

2:45:44 in a foreign EU country on a temporary basis. Many consumers would not only like to benefit from their subscriptions when they travel, but they would also like to have access to foreign digital content which is offered to consumers in other countries. Yes, we like that content very much. It is very good, especially if it is of pornographic nature. If you're from a certain country of origin, you want to see what is going on at home, you want to have access to your TV. so to speak, in your previous country. And this is not possible today. This is the dream of the digital single market, making all content accessible throughout the EU. I think we have learned from the experience of the music industry that the best way to counter

2:46:26 copyright infringement is to have an attractive legal offer that is worldwide, where people can for a fair price access any content they want. And the film industry has still not understood this. They still insist on bringing films to the movies at different times in different countries or not to allow streaming at all in certain countries and this makes people upset. because even if they are willing to pay, there simply is no legal offer for them. Getting Hollywood on board may prove a lot more difficult. While the USA does not have a monopoly on must-watch television, it is dominant in cinema and jealously guards that position. One series that I very much like is Broadchurch and there is a third season that unfortunately is not available on Netflix Belgium nor Netflix Germany, so I'm afraid that the portability regulation won't solve the problem for me.

2:47:18 Mm-hmm. Oh, yes. No nations, no borders, streaming without borders. Yeah, Hollywood of course hates this idea because the marketing, they don't, they can't have, the actors and actresses cannot afford to roll out these movies simultaneously to all these countries. It's just, you lose it. Or TV shows even. Or TV shows because it's just too much, it can't be done. You gotta send the people over there and then they all get on the talk shows and talk about how great this movie is and then the movie comes out the next day. Are the movies coming out tomorrow? Oh yeah, movie's coming out tomorrow.

2:47:55 And then they go to the next country and the movie's coming out tomorrow again. And you just lose sales if it just did a massive rollout and worldwide rollout because that movie get bootlegged within 10 minutes and they would cut their revenues way down. And rest assured that Netflix sends actors on promotional tours just like, you know, the big Hollywood movies, their own stuff. Amazon. Yeah. I mean, imagine like Grand Tour. You know, those guys go around the world, promote it, promote in whatever country they're gonna be. They go promoted there too or neighboring countries. Yeah, that's just one of the many aspects and besides there being an absolute financial benefit. But this could also be just a massive Hail Mary. I don't know, maybe there's so much pirating going on that like, shit, let's do, we gotta do something. That's also a possibility. I have not heard a lot of, where's that douchebag, the ex-politician who runs MPAA, Chris,

2:48:55 I don't know who runs MPA. Yeah, the loudmouth douchebag. Loudmouth douchebag politician is redundant. Chris Dodd, maybe? Is it Chris Dodd? I think so. Well, let's just look it up. I gotta consult the book of knowledge. Yeah, well, then... Consult the book of knowledge! MPA... our story... Chris Dodd! Chris Dodd! Nailed it. Yeah, you did so he usually comes out and start. I mean yo he even gets into state of the unions and stuff I mean the the MPAA is powerful and why are they quiet? Why are they quiet about this much more powerful than the RIAA? I don't know. Why are they quiet? Maybe they're not quiet. Maybe nobody's picking up on their stuff anymore. Oh, it's gonna irk some people

2:49:49 Well, somebody's gonna get her. Yeah. Somebody's getting cornholed tonight. Meanwhile, what is Netflix's answer to this? They go and hire Susan Rice or they appoint Susan Rice to their board of directors, who is kind of a no-nations, no-borders, stream-without-borders person. Oh yeah, she's a globalist. She certainly has the international connections. To make this you know to grease the wheels as it were everyone's like Netflix She's the answer she's they're gonna have to fire her after a while And then finally we're already where is she where is she hey stand up I am standing ah nice vertical handicap joke very nice

CHAPTER 29 / 29 Discussion

Tiangong-1 Re-entry, Starship Troopers, and Show Outro

The show concludes with a discussion on the unpredictable re-entry of the Chinese space station Tiangong-1, which scientists struggled to pinpoint due to atmospheric density changes. Adam Curry revisits the "Mandela Effect" regarding a clip from the film "Starship Troopers." The episode ends with the "Let's Get Social" song by Mary McCoy and a final sign-off.

tiangong-1· space debris· starship troopers· mandela effect· mary mccoy

2:50:36 It could land on Austin. It's just weather forecasting, right, is really hard. And we're forecasting the density of the upper atmosphere of the Earth. And when the sun burps and sends radiation and plasma towards the Earth, that... This is BBC, mind you. When the sun burps. ...changes the density of the atmosphere, changes the headwind. And so the Tiangong-1 spacecraft is going around the Earth at 17,000 miles an hour. It feels a very thin headwind from the outer atmosphere and as that gets denser and less dense, the rate that Tiangong spirals in speeds up or slows down.

2:51:19 a Go ahead. Tidal rise over here on the bay in a hundred years. What is it going to be in a hundred years? You can predict that but you can't tell anything about this satellite flying around which you can track. There it is, you can see it. North to 43 degrees south. Listen to the rain. It goes around. So what he's saying is because of the burp of the sun.

2:51:57 If the Sun burps that could slow it down or speed it up and so you know that could be a 17,000 mile difference That's why they can't pinpoint that it's going to land on Austin. Well. It's not gonna land on Austin Although it'd be great if it did Oh think about the show material. Oh, yeah, I love how we're in such agreement about this stuff Oh, yeah, that would rock for you before you play us off. I do want to play one. Oh, I'm sorry You already gave me your last clip. I said that but I was wrong that lied I You know, I'm still upset about the Mandela effect of the Hello Citizen clip, because I believe it came from Starship Troopers, although you proved that it didn't, because you had the whole clip. I do have a Starship Troopers thing that's kind of like maybe have triggered this, or may have been part of this, although the Mandela effect has changed it. But here's my clip, service guarantees citizenship clip from Starship Troopers.

2:52:58 Young people from all over the globe are joining up to fight for the future. I'm doing my part. I'm doing my part. I'm doing my part. I'm doing my part too. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the mobile infantry and save the world. Service guarantees citizenship. Hey citizen, So I'm still upset about this. Are you okay now? No. Alright. Well, then you should probably find another podcast to pick on to get it out of your system. It's so entertaining to hear you do that. Yeah, I guess. Okay. I get the picture. You don't like it? No, it's okay. It's like I don't like to hate on anybody. I'm flattered. I'm not hating on them. I said they did a good product. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did today, yes.

2:53:53 And the other one wasn't me hatin', it was somebody that wrote in. It was one of our producers. Just reading their note. But they always kill the news anchor, John. That's how it goes. Just ask Brian Williams. Brian Williams is a liar. Yes. And we remain your mall cops of broadcasting. We are the No Agenda Show. Remember us for our next program on Thursday at dvorak.org slash NA. I am coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas, capital of the drone star state in the 5x9 Cluedio in the Common Law condo. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm Paul Blart.

2:54:34 podcast cop John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on no agenda until then adios mofos I need a cab. Yes. Yeah. X classroom has been equipped with a five gallon bucket into that bloodstream. Freaks Facebook out. They tried to push fake news into the into that bloodstream. Five five gallon I have this information.

2:55:19 So when they look at a voter file and someone comes to them, well do they know? And here are people that they can help us persuade because they will face a classroom full of students armed with rocks and they will be stoned. I'm a Democrat so you know maybe I could argue that's a great thing. People's attitudes. Oh yeah. So you put in. I'm a Democrat so you know maybe I could argue that's a great thing. Both students are rocks and they will be stoned. They will be stoned. Yeah, I can argue that's a great thing. Professor Zuckerberg's super genuine. I don't think so. Five gallon dog was needed. If an art classroom has been equipped with a gallon bucket full of river stone. A classroom has been equipped with a bucket full of river stone. I can argue that's a great thing.

2:56:10 Hey now y'all, can we just get real? Do we really care about our fans or is this just another deal? Said another way, that we lost our way? Social's about the people, remember? We are people. Do we really need another like, fan, or share? Do we need another post to show up everywhere? I hope as we scatter that we never forget that our posts live forever even when we go to bed. So connect with me, let's have some fun. Let's show the world what we can stand. Let's get social. Social. With social media.

2:56:53 Let's get social, with social media. We can spread the word, and grow our reach, and find our band in bare-nosed feet. Let's get social, with social media. Give it up, Mary McCoy! Woo! It's the world of Clinton, a world of Bush It's the world of Soros and that Rockefeller douche CNN takes a dump when they lie about Trump It's the douchebag Disneyland The best podcast in the universe! Yes! Oboe. Dvorak.org slash N-A. Sin-sin!