12:10 That's it, show is over. I'm in separation and there's a third innocent party, our daughter is involved. Everybody had said pretty much the same thing which is good because I believe in repetition but the reactions have been really quite sweet and I appreciate it if I haven't responded to you personally I will get to it has just been so much, its' been overwhelming So that out of the way...I've started a legal proceeding
12:58 Here in the Netherlands, which is always fun. Would you like to hear about that? What's it involved a creative commons copyright you got well did you have to sue somebody again? Well what I had to threaten so I flew back from New York actually flew straight to Amsterdam and A couple of people had collected all of the various publications regarding my personal stuff So I'm what I usually do. It's a perfect laxative by the way gossip rag so you know come in it was like okay? Take off my coat well, I think I'll just go sit down and have a nice little nice little business on the in the bathroom here And so I open up this first magazine and I'm like whoa wait a minute And there's a picture that I took while flying of me in the plane by myself with
13:49 with uh... well it was a tobacco you know i i smoked about the rising in this picture it's on that to attend a flicker flicker exactly so it'll it looks like a joint but is not yet because you roll your own tobacco yes signature like an old man yeah yeah that's what that's why they show work so well between the two of us so um Yeah, and it's not even lit actually but you know it's a picture. And I said wait a minute... It looks like you're flying and smoking dope! Yeah but I'm not. I'm flying and smoking tobacco which is perfectly okay because my aircraft has ashtrays that's what they're for But this is from my Flickr account and so I got to check So yeah, it says non-commercial attribution This is exactly the same thing in 2006 I took a different gossip rag
14:37 To court because they published a whole bunch of pictures off of flickr and they had some bonehead excuse like well It said download here, and we didn't look at it wasn't clear But it's very clear And by the way any professional print organization should understand that something has to be checked you can't just rip shit off of the web And although I did not win any cash settlement as requested in that original lawsuit, the Dutch court did say well the copyright holds up if it happens again here's the set fine which i believe was 1500 euros per violation. Can you sound that horn for repeating a story? That you sound every time I mention something twice there we go
15:25 So it was a actually that has changed a little bit I found out because I called my lawyer said yo G Time to get back to work because obviously you cannot just let it slide You know, if you don't protect your copyright every single time then you can actually run into some problems. Yep so he said, you know It's interesting because now the way the law is written and you can actually charge up to 5,000 euros And you can sue for any legal costs which to date are estimated at, one phone call of course that's 1500 euros. You know how lawyers work? I hate my lawyer by the way with a passion because they're just horrible people." He said, okay what do you want me to do?" I said well let's add a twist to it send them a letter
16:12 and say to them, okay you're in violation but I'm not going to take you to court if you will send 5.000 euros to the War Child Foundation and 1500 or whatever it is whatever the legal costs are to you, to lawyer So that's what he sends off and then this thing like of course I'm already in the press, this thing hits the press. It's on all the gossip news shows and the editor of the magazine is like no man that's not true! This was newsworthy because everyone knows he's a stoner so we can put it...so that's fair use We can put picture on because he was smoking dope in his plane
16:52 And these guys are just so... He turned Canadian halfway through this stuff. Yes! It's a Dutch-Canadian editor, it's nuts! So anyway, what he said and this was last Friday is that oh we'll see you in court. I'm like okay We'll go and so I emailed Lawrence Lessig who of course? I work with six years ago three years ago in 2006 on the previous case and and so he's like Yeah, he doesn't really need to do anything but he's gonna provide support He just sent me nice note He said Adam are we going to just have a beer together and it not be about some shit your causing over there So, protecting copyrights for everybody once again.
17:33 Well that's interesting. Is that the best they can do? Go to your Flickr account and steal photos and then claim that they're like, you know with no context and they don't know anything it could have been on a soundstage for all I know Exactly! Oh but now actually are going on television saying well clearly this guy is flying stone his license should be taken away. I'm like Jesus how dumb can you be?! I mean is that all you have to say but they're calling it fair use. How can you even... Even if it was true, is there a slander suit there? Yeah but that's the shit I don't want to get into. Oh I think there's big dough in there! There's no money in it John, there's no money. There's no money in Holland for slander please give me a break In Britain maybe, in Britain That's interesting could take a Dutch tabloid to court in UK court for slander